Okay, thanks for coming to the ELA commission. I think you're all here now. Um, we're going to start with the pledge of allegiance. Please stand for pledge. I pledge >> algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. The notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been met by transmitting the notice
of the regular meeting to the commissioner's official newspaper on February 6, 2025. Posting the notice where required and filing a copy of the notice with the commission clerk. The delay commission meeting will be audio and videotaped and will be shown on APV
optimum 77 and throughout most of Mouth County on BIOS 28. Take a roll call. Allenhurst >> Alenhurst >> here. >> Asbury Park >> here present. >> Deal >> here.
>> Interant Garber >> here. >> Neptune >> and Ocean >> here. Tonight we have a resolution to approve the minutes of the regular meeting from July 24th, 2025. Somebody please offer
>> second. >> Second motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> oppose. Okay. Marco, do you have the um treasures report? >> Oh, a copy of that or do you want us to
read it? >> Can you read it? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. >> That's okay. >> I'm gonna move mute mute this as soon as I can figure out how to do it. >> I don't >> It won't come up the little icon.
>> We got it. >> Tell me when you're ready. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Uh balance on hand previous month $141,66.70. total on um the total I'm sorry that was Manisquan Bank New Jersey Cash Management Fund $16,49042
total on deposit $157,55712. Uh receipts, we had a total receipts of $556.86. The total available is $158,113.98. In dispersements, we had $5,9343,
leaving a balance of $152,21055. >> The total on deposit is $152,21055. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Someone offer the bills. >> Aspberry Park. I'll offer. >> Thank you. Second. >> I'll second it. >> I do have a question though. >> Yes.
>> Um the herbicide treatment is that I think that's the full amount, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And he did do it. Um >> he gave a report too. >> I gave a report. The only the only negative was he should have called us before he did. >> Yeah. >> That was the only negative. So just to slap him on a little bit,
>> right? >> But it was done and >> Right. And you did receive the updated report, correct? He sent one that was incorrect and then he's I did get the second one. >> Okay. Okay. So, we just got to remind
him about the phone call and he's got a call. So, because the golf course is involved, that's the big >> So, I don't know if he was in contact with the golf course or not. So, it seemed like everything went well. We didn't kill We didn't kill the lawn in Colonial. So, that was a good that was
that's the fear, right? So, we should be good. Okay, that's it. >> Okay. Allenhurst >> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> Deal. >> Yes. >> Interlac, >> yes. >> L Arbor, >> yes. >> And Ocean, >> yes.
>> Thank you, Carol, for reading that. >> My pleasure. Marco, she's counting the money over here. Um, okay. Ready to go? >> Yep. >> Okay. uh New Jersey stormwater management grant for C view. Um update,
we're rolling along. I had a meeting with Peter's engineer this week and uh went went over and I had the I got the package and we sent this to um Ricky uh for processing. We're we're putting in the request for funding. I think it's around $69,000 that we we paid out of
our treasury to get the thing going. So that money is going in. we have to send the first report in, first quarterly report or maybe the first and second quarterly report. Um, and that goes in uh with the bills and hopefully they process it quickly. Uh, we also got a
nice note from D that reminded us that we had advanced payment authorization which we we put in there which I forgot about to be honest with you. It was up I think it was up to $216,000. So >> that we're holding off on until we get the bids back. But that's going to
probably be for specifically for the four MTDs that are going in and they're going to cost in up about $150,000. Is that >> okay? >> And we have Steve here from Peter's Peter's company u Peter's firm. So
anyway, it's rolling along. We I I sat down Dave and went over some things. We modified a two things. One was improving the they're going to use the current treatment devices and convert them into the bypasses, right? Uh so we're going
to bypass we're going to take this slow rolling slow rolling water and bring it to our treatment devices, treat the water and send it to send it to the stream or actually I think we're sending it Yeah, we're sending it directly to stream. >> Yeah. >> And the stream is going to be um slowed down with with the buffer. Right now
they have a gabian rock structure in two locations. and we're going to utilize them and and make them a little bit make them slow it down so it backs up the water. So there'll be many ponds in that area slowing the water down and uh so that that's going to be bid out this
week I think or is it this week or next week? >> Be advertised in the coaster on the 28th. >> Okay. >> We're going to receive bids on September 16th and we'll award it at our September 18th meeting. >> Okay. Um, >> you guys,
>> did you guys We're going to release it August 28th. >> It's going to go out in the coaster. >> In the coaster. And then we'll receive bids on the 16th. >> Yep. >> And award it on the 18th. >> Okay. And >> and bids will be able to be picked up at
the engineers's office. >> Okay. >> That'll be in the mid. >> And I said I'll go I'll go to Steve here from Peter's office. We're all They also, you know, contract you're handing bids out or packages out to contractors you guys know I believe. >> Yeah, I guess they would be doing that >> once it's advertised.
>> Yeah, once it's advertised. Correct. >> So that's why we can't issue this yet. >> Um but it's well done. Um it's it's it's it's an aggressive schedule. We have to be the the the the green infrastructure is excellent. There's four locations for it. Um the wetlands are the um the the
rain gardens and the rain gardens feed our our storm MTD. So that's that's that's look looks looks like a great plant. Um >> yeah, just so people understand it's not a flood control project though, you know, it's a water quality project.
>> So it's not designed to like handle the hundredyear storm, you know, these larger events. It's designed to handle the first flush and the water quality event. >> Yeah. But it it is it does help slow down water. >> It will I mean the modification to those
outlet structures you know in addition to the MTDs like you said those gabian that gabian wall is going to be modified and that will help hold back some of that collected runoff and decrease some of the scouring but it like I said it's
not a flood control project. >> Right. Right. And we may have to go back and do more, but we're going to see how this works out. We always we can always improve it. That's another 319 project coming down the road. Um while we're talking 319 project or this wasn't 319
project, but do I have it on next? >> No, it's but we have two other things to discuss. >> Okay. Well, we we'll keep going. Um >> um Don, I have a question. You know, we we were had an opportunity to look at the charts at our last
meeting. Um would we be able to get digital copy just if somebody photographs those charts? >> As of next week, you can. Yeah. As of the 28th, you can get a copy. >> Okay. >> I can send this around to everybody. >> That they'll be in digital format then.
>> I'll send them to you guys. Okay. >> Okay. 28 I'll send >> why I'm mentioning this too like even as you're speaking tonight it would be nice in the future that when we have those images when you're saying well we're going to put it at I didn't even know
the name of the wall that that you just said but um you know that you can point to that and that we we'll know what we're talking about and what locations are being um >> that was the purpose of the last meeting with Peter so that's yeah >> right but you know each meeting we talk
about this And so it would be helpful if during the meetings we have these images is what I'm saying so people can you can refer to them >> right >> and then >> and we can put I think as of the 28th we can put them online right >> we can put them on the website
>> we could definitely we could definitely put it we could put the bid package online >> because they have to pick them we have to know who picks it up >> oh okay we put the we can put the images on though not the whole package okay >> you can put the images up okay >> I think we can put the image Yeah, I'll confirm that with Peter on that.
>> Okay. >> Because I need to know. >> Okay. Let's keep going. You had one more. >> So, we have two things with the with the um with the grant. We need to authorize Steve's services which will get reimbursed for right Steve. The um
environmental services >> right in the amount of 38,200. >> Second one 402. So, we're awarding a professional services contract to Clean Waters Consulting Services for environmental services associated with the water
quality improvement grant at a cost not to exceed 38,200. Someone please offer >> Asbury Park offers. >> Thank you. Second. >> Thank you. Alenhurst. >> Yes.
>> Asbury Park. >> Yes. >> Deal. >> Yes. >> Inter Lakeen. >> Yes. >> Luck Arbor. >> Yes. and ocean. >> Yes. >> And we have a similar resolution authorizing Leon Esbaki and Peter's office to do the engineering services
associated with the water quality improvement grant at a cost not to exceed 160,000. A lot of that we've already encumbered about 60,000 of it. Um someone please offer >> thank you
>> Jeff. It's not on there as offered by U. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna I see I left that out, but I just wrote I wrote it in. >> Yeah, >> when I do the whole resolution, it'll all appear. Thank you. >> Yeah, >> Alenhurst, >> before Wait a minute. Before you vote on it, I think that that total sum, Jess,
is incorrect. It should be 61,800. >> He told me 160,000. Does that >> No, no, no. For clean waters. >> Oh, for Clean Waters, not 38,000. >> No. >> Okay. Where did I get 38,000? I'm not sure. That may have been I'm not sure.
That may have been the grant that's coming up. The one that >> Oh, okay. So, 61,800. >> Yeah. It's for There's There's five. >> Yeah. 1 2 3 4 five tests. Test six, seven, eight, nine, and 10.
>> Okay. I make the I make the amendment to change the 38,200 to 61,800. >> Perfect. >> For that motion, 2542. >> Right. Perfect. >> And that is all getting covered by the grant. >> Right. Right. I know it sounds like a lot. >> Yeah.
>> Second. >> Yes. >> Carol second. >> Okay. Alenhurst. >> Yes. >> Asbury Park. >> Yes. >> Deal. >> Yes. >> Andrew Lincoln. >> Yes. >> L Arbor. >> Aar
Margot. >> The bathroom. I don't. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> And ocean. >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. And now we have Peter's um the engineering services for 160,000. We started off with Interlant seconded by
Aspberry Park. Allenhurst. >> Yes. >> Aspberry Park. >> Yes. >> Deal. >> Yes. >> Inter. >> Yes. >> Lock Arbor. >> Yes. >> And Ocean. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And and note that it's not to exceed. >> Not to exceed. Right. >> So I I I don't think they're all going
to get close. No, no, but this way and if it goes over then we just do an amending resolution. >> I don't think it will. >> I don't think it will either cuz they already spent >> they spent money >> about 60,000 already. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thanks, Steve. Sorry about that. I don't know where I got the 38,
too. >> That's okay. I think I think that might be the one that I submitted with uh Clean Ocean Action. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> Which hasn't been awarded yet, but in any event. Okay. >> Okay. Okay, >> thank you. >> Let's keep rolling. Uh shoreline
protection, we're going to talk about that a little bit later. Uh Gene, do you have any additional discussion that other than what what's already on the agenda? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. Uh weed treatment, we just talked about that with it was done a couple weeks ago. Um >> do you have a report? We paid them, but we don't have
>> I have a report. >> Did you guys get a report yet? >> Did you guys get the LSM report yet? >> Not that report. The one from Oh, the we >> Lake Management Sciences. Did you guys get a copy of that? >> You talking to the commissioners don't?
>> Yes. Yeah. Did everybody get it? No. Okay, I'll send it out. I got >> I just got a copy the other day. Um, send out to commission. Okay. Uh, watershed plan, the 39 new 319 grant
that we didn't get, but we proposed. Uh, we have no word on that, right, Steve? Nothing. We checked again today. They haven't >> no no no decisions as of yet. >> No decisions. And in that 319 rear arena with Steve and I heard the other day
that the federal government has restored the 319 grant program for 2026. So there's opportunity for more money. Thanks. So we'll see what happens. Um the oil spill uh oil spill in Asbury I I do not have any update on it other than
uh there was some Carol drove by and did some snooping and they were doing a little dig. What were they doing? >> They had a little machine out there and they were they were digging in a certain spot >> probably testing. >> I was work.
>> So anyway, we're still waiting for um answers from the D. I did call the D but I didn't get the answers back yet. So, um, that's still out there. Yeah. >> Don, did you speak with um >> I called I didn't get a call back yet. >> Ginger Binker
>> didn't get a call back. I did an email. I called her and didn't get Okay. >> Call back. >> Huh. >> So, I'll try to email her. >> I do have her email. >> Yeah. >> It's been a very busy couple month two months with me. So, anyway, um, we'll do that. >> I have her email address. If you don't
have it, >> can you forward it to me just in case? Why not? Okay, >> thanks. Um, okay. Any other old business I'm forgetting about? Okay,
new business scouting America. Scouting America is teaming up with New Jersey with natural gas. They they gave me a call since I was involved with Boy Scouts, right? I'm still involved with Boy Scouts. And of course, involved the lake, the largest coastal lake in New Jersey. So, is Bob
on the call? I think I see him. >> Bob is on the call. Yes. >> Hey, Bob, you got the floor. >> Okay. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. Let me get you the screen. >> Thank you. My name's Bob Hayes. I work for the Mammoth Council Boy Scouts of
America. I'm the assistant scout executive. Uh, one of the things the scouts are doing right now nationally is a a program, a conservation program called Scouting for Clean Waterways. H. >> So, here in Mammoth Council, we embraced
it uh with a partnership with New Jersey Natural Gas, and we we're proposing on October 11th to do a Mammoth Council scouting for clean waterways. And naturally, one of the lakes we first thought of was Steel Lake because of our
relationship with Don and and the great work that he does for the lake. But we've got five location or we we're hoping to have at least five locations across uh Mammoth County. Um, we've got Sea Street Terminal in Atlantic Highlands, the Takani Lake in Long
Branch, Long Branch Rain Garden, Sparrow Lake at Deer Dearwood Park, and then Deal Lake would be another one that we wanted to consider. We're also looking for one more. So, what we're proposing to do is on October 11th, have scouts come out to the various locations
and really just do clean up around the lake. So, pick up trash, bottles, whatever might be in there. What they call, what do they call it? Aquatic trash. Um, not really going deep into the water, maybe ankle ankle deep, but no, no further where they would just
pick up any trash and debris and and um and get rid of it. And we're doing this as a national project or as as a regional project for for our council, but it is a national initiative as well. Not all on October 11th. We're the only council that's doing a uh a councilwide
initiative and as I said it'll be in October 11th. We hope from 9 to 12. New Jersey Natural Gas if we're able to do it at Deal Lake would like to participate at Deal Lake. That's the one that they said that they would really like to to spearhead. So, um that's what
we're proposing to do. Um, again, it's it's a conservation project and scouts will not only do the project, but they'll also get a a patch for being part of this, which which is a patch, a joint patch from Mammoth Council and
from New Jersey Natural Gas. Um, >> yeah, it's nice. >> Any questions? Any any any questions for the commissioners? >> What is New Jersey Natural Gas doing? Are they sending out people as well? What what's their goal? >> What's their Do you hear that, Bo?
>> Uh I I lost some of it. Was it What is their goal? >> What was that? What What's Yeah. What's their goal? And are they participating in how they're how are they participating? >> Well, they're they're going to have people um they're going to have their workforce come out like a certain number of people. They they've got a bunch of
initiatives they do. They're they're really concerned about sustainability, not only natural gas, but the resources of of our of our country and our world. So that's one of the reasons they really got behind um the clean clean waterways project. They
saw thought that was a great idea and really really jumped in. So they're really just adding to sustainability. And as a matter of fact, they've come out to our we did run a day camp for Cub Scouts from ages six to to I guess nine or 10. and they came out and did a nice
little presentation for the scouts there about the sustainability about the world about human resources about uh not human res the world's resources uh and really did a nice presentation on teaching the importance of uh keeping America keeping
the the world clean and and using the resources we have wisely. >> Got it. And it it's great initiative. Um I I know you guys are they have a sign up list. I think the scouts are signing up for the locations so we'll have an idea how many people are coming. >> Yeah. >> Um
>> and I may maybe put a waiver some kind of waiver. I would think some kind of waiver in there like we normally do. We'll have something they can sign here when they come. Some kind they always we always sign waivers, right? Right. >> I'm not sure how legal legally bound it. Um but you know we have we have the kids
doing some cool things. We get we got three magnet weights from our commissioner from Asbury that you know has suggested it. So we could we could do some magnet fishing off the bridge which would be pretty cool. Um and and we could do we could do a wherever we can walk from the boat ramp we're going
to do. So I don't want putting them in cars per se to go to a different area but we could walk them to various different locations along the lake um inner lake and we can walk them down by the ocean and do a really you know fine cleanup down there. And this is before see here now. Or is it? I'm sorry. It's
after see here now. So you'll be able to maybe find extra treats in in the >> Could you repeat the date? Could you please repeat the date of it? >> It's October 11th. >> Okay. >> Is there a rain date? >> No. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. There it's also in it our DA commission cleanup which would be different. That's the one we we pull the plug, we let the water out, we get special permission from the state. That's usually the end of the month or beginning of November. And that's that we we go into the into the lake that
we're not we kind of don't expect the kids to go in the lake, but to do the edge of the lake along we might have him be doing not weed removal and help out Asbury. Asbury would like to get their notw weed out of there so we can really focus on that during the cleanup
>> and that would be great. Okay. >> And c can you repeat what time it starts and where you want us to meet? >> Yeah. So, well, where where is the location as to for Deal Lake would be? You know, you would tell us what what that location would be. Yeah. >> And then we we work around that. Right
now, we've got it from 9 to 12. >> Yep. >> And then if if it goes well, this is our our initial try at doing this councilwide cleanup. And if it goes well, we'd like to do this on an annual basis. Like every year do a clean up a
water clean waterways project every year, >> right? >> Like I said, for us it just uh Deal Lake was a natural place for us to >> and next year maybe we can team we could we can merge it with the merge it with our fall cleanup. That'd be good if we
can. >> Yeah. The the only concern I had when when Don had mentioned the the November date, I thought that might be a little bit >> too cold for the scout. I mean, we'll have some Cub Scouts. >> We go camping in a stout. Come on.
>> I'm just confused which branch of of of De Lake you'll be working on since there's so many focus the main focus be that would they would meet at the boat ramp and then >> Okay. So, they're going to do Lock Arbor and Asbury. Okay. >> And Inner Lake and that's the plan. That's great.
>> Wherever they can walk easily from. >> Okay. >> From the ocean to from the ocean to the railroad tracks. >> Okay. Because we have >> This is why I'm I'm I obviously I'm going to come since I live in Lock Arbor and I love cleaning up around the lake. We have the um Clean Ocean Actions
official beach sweep for the whole state is Saturday, October 18th. And when you say to the ocean, we usually don't. This sounds very >> illogical, but we don't like to have a beach sweep right before there because
it changes our data. >> Are you going to go Are you going to clean on the beach or are you just going to clean on the lake? >> On the lake. And I was thinking the the parking lot. >> The parking lot. That would be great. >> Okay. >> All right.
I understand. And we'll be there. My family will be there. >> Oh, thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> My son My son is an Eagle Scout. We >> Oh, congratulations. >> Thank you. >> It sounds like a great project. >> So, thank you.
>> Do I hear a motion to accept the Boy Scout proposal for the clean? >> We don't have to accept it. >> Do we We don't do it. No, you don't want to do it. I think we should. >> Okay. Let's put it. Can we put a motion on the table? >> Motion from Bobby for Excel
>> that we what >> I don't know. >> We have a motion on the table for >> October 11th from 9 to 12 for the Boy Scouts America teaming up with New Jersey Natural Gas for the clean water initiative >> and we support that. >> Yes.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> All in favor? I oppose. >> There you go, Bob. Get back. >> Thank you, Bob. >> Get back to your wife. >> Hey, Don. >> Don, make sure
>> make sure you get a headcount because we need the inind service match for our grant. So, you know, so Bob, we're we're sort of on the hook to demonstrate to D that we are providing inind services and
this is a type of inind service that so if we can just we don't need actual names but just a headcount you know it doesn't even have to be 100% exact but you know uh and also emphasizing that you had you know uh New Jersey Gas you
know participating as well. Okay, >> that'll be great. >> We'll have whole thing about it, especially I know New Jersey Natural Gas wants to publicize this as well. >> Yeah, that'll be perfect. >> But again, I thank you very much. We appreciate it and we're happy to help and I think this is a nice little
partnership. So, we're happy to do it. >> Perfect. >> Thanks, Bob. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> All right. Thanks, everybody. Have a good night. >> Bye. Bye. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for coming. >> Oh, not at all. Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. Okay. Scouts
distant from this. >> What's that? >> How old were scouts? >> From from actually it could be Cub Scouts too. So mo most of them um it's from 10 to 18. >> Okay. Seven 17 and then Cub Scouts are from like seven to 10.
>> So there's two I don't know if Cub Scouts I don't believe Cub Scouts are coming. They could be coming. >> Are you going to be there? Um Don, >> is the Pope Catholic? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure you'll take pictures, right? >> We'll take pictures. We'll take
pictures. Um, okay. Fall cleanup. No date yet. I don't know what the big event date is. Um, if anybody knows that, please tell me. I did not. >> They usually don't post it until the kids come back and they they get the the young young college kids figuring it
out. But we'll know in a couple we'll know by the next meeting. Um, county request to join the the the weather station program. Um, I'm going to ask if if you're okay with it to for the OEM for Mammoth County to come come either in person or on Zoom and meet
with us on September 18th and talk, you know, shortly about it. They they would they initially wanted us to pay for it. um I'd rather have them pay for it or at least help us and maybe help a little bit with with sharing some of the cost. But they're talking about putting a weather station on that links I think at
least five or six different locations uh including De Lake um and a network along the shoreline and it would read not only weather basic weather but the key thing it it it reads that the the level of the lake which is pretty cool and that
digitally goes into >> not by the flow would be by the main street bridge. >> Okay. But it would help for the >> when you and I are figuring out what we're going to open. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the rate the rate of change, you know, how much water is pouring in, you can eyeball, but
>> then on that. >> Yep. Yep. >> What about Wesley Lake? >> No, they they don't have that's another issue. >> They still casino has a weather station. I think we're also working with Ocean Township. >> We just >> I heard that. >> Yep. Yep.
>> You told me that. >> Yeah. >> So, >> I don't know if that's part of it. This is specific though. This this is tied into a OEM network office management network because the cost and
>> they're giving us 10 leases from the we're paying >> that >> who just did it. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> we have weather stations. I mean >> well it's stupid. It's funny. I live two blocks from the ocean and all of a sudden I was getting blurry when some
thunderstorms went through. >> It's called the Perry Weather Station. >> Okay. >> Wow. >> I have a question. D something about them wanting for us to contribute to it. Would our Mammoth County shared service agreement the
>> I'm going to let I'm going to let him come and talk to it. I don't know all the details. So, let's let's Is it okay to invite him? >> Sure. >> Okay. Well, back. >> Um, we also have a a request from I sent you guys copies of it. Um, engineering drawings and and request from 451
Massive Point Road. Um, let's see if they have that information here. >> Back it up. You didn't We were talking about late fall cleanup. Did you want to get a date on the count? >> No, I don't. No, no, we don't have a date because we don't know. We just went over that. We We don't have the information from Bob University.
>> Oh, okay. Sorry. I Okay. Uh, one second. >> Okay. Okay. Is the gentleman from the engineering firm here on the call? >> This is Garrett Esler. Um, I'm filling
in for Jordan. Uh, he had family emergency. >> Okay, >> Garrett, go ahead. >> Right. So, um, uh, our client, uh, at 45 Wanamasa Road is currently in for, uh, New Jersey Department of Environmental
Protection permitting, uh, specifically for the legalization of a bulkhead on site and a wooden dock. Um, per the NJP requirements whenever we're proposing a structure in lands that are not
currently owned by the applicant, uh, we have to seek authorization from whoever manages or owns uh, an area that's off property. Uh, in this case, because we're in Deal Lake, we're seeking, you know, either a letter of permission or a letter of no interest from the Deal Lake
Commission. I'll give you a little bit of history of the site. Um we've been involved with this project over a number of years and uh we've been working with the applicant trying to rectify the current issue on site. Um the site has historically had rip wrap since the
1950s. It was a loose stone that encompassed the bank and that was overgrown with ivy. um it was failing at the time and what he ended up doing was taking out the existing reventment and putting in a bulkhead upland of the
water body and then installing a dock out site. So, um, specifically what we're looking for with this, you know, letter of permission or letter of no interest is, um, it's the dock. So, the and portions of the bulkhead because these structures do lie outside of the
block and lot that the client currently owns and um, what they're trying to do is basically legalize the work because the work's already been conducted at the site. >> Okay, that that's what I was going to ask. It all it it's it's complete. Okay.
And and what what did the town say? The town was involved at at one point, wasn't it? >> Right. We had asked the town for comm uh for permission and they basically said that um they don't have any authority to do anything over for deal lake. So we've been kind of back and forth with different governmental agencies trying
to understand who can give us the permission that the DP is seeking. And you know, we've kind of explained the situation to them where uh you know, we've been going back and forth trying to understand who who can give this permission that the DP is seeking. >> Well, what what if you don't get Well,
right now I can tell you right now from my history that Steve could probably speak to it, too. We've never done anything like this. We we don't control the lake. The state owns the lake. >> So, we just kind of oversee it, try to make it better. >> Yes. >> I I can tell you personally, I don't like a lot of bulkheading. I like to see
natural shorelines. that's spend the state spending millions of dollars to put living shorelines on all the lakes in the area and you know we'd like to see that too but uh we don't get we don't get the right to look at the drawings before they go in so that's another issue but >> right so and and this is kind of comes
down to the point where I think this has kind of come to the forefront where um there's been multiple projects along Deal Lake that most likely should have gotten authorization and NJ permitting Now, you know, the the current owner on
this property is trying to do the right thing. You know, they're trying to seek their D permitting. They're trying to go through the right process. Looking at Deal Lake, you know, it has a history of docks and other types of waterfront structures. And more likely than not, they should have gotten the
proper authorizations. But you for at least for us, we don't know if they ever sought those proper authorizations with the D or sought authorization with the DA commission trying to >> understand where um
the authority can come from. At least for our site, you know, we're just focused on trying to get this uh finished with the D because we sit right now um we're sitting at a technical deficiency and that technical deficiency is basically the the authorization. So,
that's why we're attending this meeting. We're trying to understand where we're getting this authorization from because the township has told us that they can't grant us it. Um, no, we're seeking it from you guys. And if if the state owns it, then we're not sure why the state hasn't told us anything. >> Steve, you want to chime in a little
bit? >> Yeah. So I mean um I mean number one Garrett the um as as Don pointed out the DA commission does not you know own any of the land or property or the waters of Deal Lake. I mean we are the stateapp
appointed um you know commission that oversees >> the management of the lake. Um but we you know it's not like we have any formal authority.
Um, I mean, it's it's great that your client is coming before us, at least to, you know, to describe what's being done and also, um, it's great because, as you pointed out, we've had problems with plenty of other property owners that don't go and seek the proper D permits
and we're trying to, you know, uh, we're trying to correct that by working closely with D, both with land use and with, uh, enforcement. Um, but in terms of authorization, as Don pointed out, you know, the commissions are the stewards, but that's
about, you know, as far as our it's not even a legal obligation. It's it's part of our charter, but that's about it. Um I I guess done you know if it's a you know perhaps like a a letter of no
contest or something like that but I you know beyond that we don't really have authorization. >> I I don't think we sent any letter myself. I would not I wouldn't approve it. I I wouldn't sign anything because I believe what the D is doing is it's it's
nice to see that the procedures. >> Yeah. Not sure where the Michael Shehan, the engineering and training environmental specialist. Um I'm not sure where does he reside. Do you know that? Is he in in in Tom's River or >> Michael Shehan? Um is he the NGDP
reviewer? >> Yep. >> Yeah. So um no. Um the NGDP reviewers, they all work out of Trenton. So they're all throughout the state. So he's just part of the um >> he's with land is he with land use >> land use permitting and he's in the
engineering department. >> Is he in V specifically because that's >> he he uh typically when um you get a D reviewer they cover different counties or different townships. So Michael Sheen's just covering uh the township. >> Okay. >> Well, that's okay. That that's See,
we've been trying to get them to do have one person to cover dealer because it's so unique. >> Yeah. We had one for on the enforcement side, but not on the land use of land use. So, >> right. And obviously, I I don't want to pressure you into authorizing a letter
or signing something that you're not comfortable with, but if we could just get some sort of email or something after this meeting that I can just take to the D just saying, hey, look, you know, we talked to the township, they said they can't do it. We talked to DA Commission, they can't say they can't do
it. Where do we stand with the Yeah, like I'm willing to challenge the D on what authorization that they need and >> I would say what do you want from us? In other words, a lot of times it's it's a financial thing. They they they'll you took so you took so much land from the
state, right? And they would want some kind of what do they call it? Um >> mitigation. >> What? >> Like some type of mitigation you're talking about? >> No, consideration. They want consideration, >> right? So it it's it's really so what it is is that when when you're dealing with
with development um you know on a normal title water body because Deal Lake used to be title is no is now titly locked. Right. You're dealing with a title water body technically the state has the public trust right under the public trust doctrine. >> Correct.
>> Right. and and therefore you seek authorization from the state through a tideland's license because Deal Lake is no longer titally influenced even though there's title claims on Deal Lake. >> Yeah. >> The DP >> itself cannot give authorization for use
of what they're considering public trust rights because it's not no longer a titly influenced lake. And so that's why they're saying we need to go to the township or any other type of regulatory body to seek permission to do this work. >> Okay. >> The only thing I can recommend is if
there's this much confusion, that group you're dealing with should sit down with the DA commission and maybe some of the town officials. >> Yeah. >> On the lake and let's talk about it because I'll be honest with you, there's tons of confusion. I can tell you right now if there's a title push from the
ocean, it's going all the way up to Wikipeka. It doesn't stop at the railroad tracks, you know, it's it's it's bogus. So the crabs when the crabs come to the lake, they go all the way to Wikip. So the ocean affects Steel Lake whether they like it or not. They just wanted to
eliminate the CAFRA requirements. You know, that's why they did the whole title thing and changed the shames the rules of the game. Um, it's a little unclear on the enforcement. We got real good rapport. Jeannie and I have great rapport with the enforcement people. We don't have a great rapport with the land
use people. So, maybe this is the avenue we could use. >> I wonder too if if uh the connections that we have with enforcement if they might know who he could speak with. >> Oh, he he's got the right guys. He's got he's got the right people.
>> Right. So, so Garrett, you're I I went through the, you know, the materials he had sent, but right now D is they're flexing their muscle under freshwater wetland act. Correct. >> Right. Well, so it's both flood hazard
and freshwater wetland. So, uh freshwater wetlands is because any um state open water is considered a freshwater wetland as well. So, we have to seek freshwater wetland permitting under a GP20 for bank stabilization. And then also um an FHA IP for the or not an
FHA IP but FHA permit by rule for the work that was done upland on the upper part of the property. >> Got it. Okay. So all right. So they're saying what was done in the upland part of the property would qualify for a PBR. >> Correct.
>> But you still have to Okay. So I saw the filing for the uh GP20. Okay. Um, >> we we'll take this offline, but tell you what, you know, have them call him, email me and Steve, and we we'll we'll we'll help you out as best we can. But
it's more to be honest, I'm looking at the broader scope is how it affects all these other plans that get submitted >> and we know nothing about it. So, if we >> and you know, like you said, it could be a good opportunity for you guys um you know, to say, "Hey, you know, land use,
we want to be able to kind of look over everything." So, if you can send everyone to and what however you guys do it, but just for our information, just so we can try and move this this permitting along, you know, I just need some sort of information that I can take to the D through email because they're
not going to, you know, take word of mouth. Obviously, I don't you don't need to put anything in a letter, but just even an email that I can take to the D and say, "Hey, look, we're at an impass. They want to work with you guys, but how do we move this along?" >> Well, we'd like to know more about it. That's the answer. Yeah. probably
wouldn't be able to give you anything, but we could work with D and and >> yeah, >> see what happens because I don't know where they go from here. I mean, do they they ask you to rip the whole thing out? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. >> Have they said to you what you would need to do if uh you weren't compliant,
>> right? So, well, that well, that's the that's the issue that we're at right now. Technically, we're not compliant because the work was already done, right? what we're trying to seek legalization and the it's not it's the work itself meets the rules and regulations. We wouldn't have submitted
a permit that we didn't think would have >> you know gotten off the contract who was the contractor on this >> who was the contractor >> the I don't know I we were not involved with the um construction of the actual work that was done on the property. Uh, we're just the environmental
consultants. We're >> hand I like to know that. I'd like to know who that is. Just just saying. Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, I can reach out to the client and see see uh who their contractor was, but again, we're just we're the environmental consultants here. So, we're just applying for the
state permitting on the client, >> but you can find out who the the contractor is >> most likely. >> Thanks. Okay. Great talking to you. Good luck. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next. Seems pretty large. >> It's huge.
>> Yeah. >> I I Is it big? >> Yes, >> it seems the encroachment's fairly large as well. >> It's all It's not like these off. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You look at the top where you see the
property line and it's over the top, >> right? >> Google map it. >> Yeah. I thought it was just a red that was a violation, but I guess not. Well, it's too large. That's that's a big piece. >> So, if you see the bulkhead, the the property line and the bulkhead intersect. So, part of the bulkhead belt
is encroaching and then the dock itself is obviously >> they got a problem. They got every the shorelines and ocean is very unique and all of all the deal. Some people actually own into the lake and some people don't. >> I've seen I've seen it on Locust.
>> Every property is unique. >> So many. >> Yeah. That's interesting. I have that from my property, >> right? >> Right. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. They got it all >> dealing. Okay. >> Interesting. >> Let's move on. Um, interesting stuff tonight, right?
>> Um, next one. I don't know if I showed you the P. I think Did I put the pictures on? >> Okay. The pictures were pretty gross. Um. >> Oh, yeah. I'll look it. >> No, it's it's brand new. I I somebody told me about it a couple weeks ago and I went driving by and I said, "I got to
look at this." And and when I saw it, it's right in back of Nick's Pizzeria. It's not Nick's Pizzeria. It's the location in back of the gas station. It's a big empty lot. And >> it's just when you look at it, you go, "Oh my god, it's like muck.
>> Mucky mucky muck." Here it is right here. >> What town is it, Don? >> Ocean Tash, my town, of course. >> Okay. Oh, >> it's it's just bubbling out of the ground. Bubbling out of the ground. >> That's what's going under the bridge. I see it turns into foam in the mornings
and it goes out into the lake. >> Well, I don't know. Maybe it's coming out of the ground. >> What did the weight >> out of the ground? >> Out of the ground on that site >> and I call I I emailed the town. I I I didn't get any feedback. This is this is the site you would recognize. It's right
by Lollipop Pond. Um >> I don't know. I'm going to bring this up to the camp >> and then >> Oh, thank you. >> It could be anything. >> Was in that park. Was it in that parking lot? >> Wait, that's
>> it's the orange material. >> Yeah. >> Oh, the orange stuff. >> That does not look good. I >> mean, they know they've got a problem that that's the other picture.
too glaring. >> Hard to see. >> But it's pretty bad. >> Yeah, it doesn't look good. >> I haven't submitted the D yet, but I really wanted to take a peek at it first because they're they're going to get called anyway. Um uh at least two people
have not sent me notes on it and obviously they block it off so nobody could fall into the hall but it's it's pretty gross. Anyway, we're looking into that. >> I'm not even put my finger in. >> It goes under the bridge. >> No, it goes
>> it doesn't go on the bridge yet. That's another leakage. That's another leakage. It's rust. It's liquid. >> It could be sewer. It could be anything. So >> maybe it's pizza sauce. >> Kind of like it. Yeah.
>> You know what? You never know. >> That's a secret. >> Watery pizza sauce. >> I don't think it's I don't think it's associated with that. We'll get into that. Whole report on that next month. >> New business.
>> Yeah. One quick thing. So I I had spoken to Ivon Clayton. a council woman in Asbury Ploth today and she mentioned that they're hosting a Asbury Park community festival. It's going to be on September 20th from 12 to 4 p.m. It's in
Springwood Park and they have, you know, food trucks, free haircuts for kids, bunch of vendors, etc. And she had asked that um the deal commission just have a little booth. They'll give us our own spot and this way we can answer any questions that the public may have about our role, what we do. I'm sure people
have a ton of questions because there's some confusion about Wesley Lake versus De Lake and who covers what. So, it's an opportunity to probably engage the general public of Asbury Park and and Neptune and probably a couple other towns and just have a conversation about, hey, this is who we are. This is what we do
>> and you know, this is the purview of our uh our reach and it it definitively ends at Deal Lake. So, I think it would be a really good opportunity. Um, >> show the waterershed. We could actually show a watershed map which I have. >> Yeah. like whatever collateral we have would be good if we had a tablecloth like whatever we have pictures past
events I think would be good and then maybe if we did some sort of email sign up like a QR code where people could sign up to our mailing list >> and then that would be great because then they get all genius communications like everything that comes out about you know upcoming events so I can help coordinate all that um I just need
access to whatever collateral we have whether it's tablecloths things of that nature >> cards and stuff >> yeah and if anybody wants to help out >> September the weather will probably be really nice or it'll be We can advertise our our cleanup. Yeah. That's the other thing we get more volunteers. >> Yep. >> Yeah. So,
>> um, what time is it on September 20th, Josh? >> Uh, 12 to 4. So, that's Saturday, 12 to 4. And we start set up around 11:00, 11:30. >> And Springwood Park, right? >> Springwood Park. Yeah. It's on the corner of Springwood and Atkins. >> Yep. Okay.
And and you're planning if if you're planning to be there to um to to bring materials and if we give some materials to you. >> Yeah. Yeah. I plan on on being there and uh anyone else who wants to join me is obviously welcome. The more the marrier
>> Steve we could use that also right in kind. >> That's in kind education. Sure. Well, we can actually bring these post the poster that Peter gave us. We can make new posters up with the final document >> and post we're doing a CV because people are going to start seeing that >> after Christmas. Yeah,
>> there'll be construction going on. So, >> we'll put a sign. >> We're going to put a sign >> and even explain the floating wetland islands. >> Yeah, >> they can explain the wetland islands floating. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Our teaming efforts were at Wesley and
Sunset >> and our never ending battle against the crabs. Okay, I'm glad you said that. So, >> I pulled a fishing rod out the other day. Yeah, >> this this what I I literally tripped on this talking to my brother walking across the street and I literally almost fell and this was this is from the
grabber. So, >> you know, if you stand by the if you stand by the flume, I I chase them away from the flame. >> It's not just crabbers. Every time we go kayaking, we bring the kayak back in. Okay. We grab a bunch of bobbers and a whole bunch of line. We >> I sit at the flume gate, too. Well, they
break fishing dope wines once and it's not fish, it's on trees. >> Yeah, >> there's a lot of them out there. We'll come out and snag a little bit, you know. >> Just walk on the street. >> Need to help with that presentation at Springwood. What would you need
that >> tablecloth? Um, any I can have a QR code made that would link to our mailing list. So, that's that's easy. I have software for that that I use for >> those cards, Danny. Yeah, the cards would be great. Those pamphlets that we have. >> Sure.
>> And any pictures of cleanup events, wildlife, >> physical pictures, do you mean? Or do you want >> Yeah, put like a poster board maybe with different pictures of like the wildlife of Deal Lake. >> I'll catch you education. >> Catch a corp. >> Yeah, a live carb.
>> Snapping curdle. >> Josh, help you put that. Do you have any Do you have any of those brochures left over? The ones that we did on yard management. >> We out a bunch of those, but I think Genie still has some. >> I have those and we have cards, but
thinking about if you want >> safety, we have lots of building safety ones, too. So, we can get those to so we there's a bunch of information we have. >> Yeah. Whatever it is to fill the table just to draw people in and then you can have discussions with them from there. That's an educational thing. >> Thanks, Josh. That's excellent. >> Thank you.
>> Any other new business? Because >> any other new pictures? >> I'm looking here. >> Josh, I just could I just say one thing. Did you want to have physical pictures? I'm not going to be around. Otherwise, I would try to help you with creating a backboard of some type.
>> Uh I I I'll work on something. I'll get something printed out for it. >> And Don has um you have something, right? >> We have we have holders for poster boards. So >> we have Yeah, we'll figure some out. We got that. Okay, >> let's keep going. Um, insurance. We have
the underwriter insurance for our director's insurance. I sent it to you and Ricky, so it's out of my hands. I did as much as I could do. >> Y >> and we don't know the price of that until we fill it out. It's usually about 3,000 with
>> I think and then Ricky's also I we asked about the insurance for um the liability which I guess ocean right now is paid for but we have to we >> need a copy of it. >> I got we have the documentation now we just need to pay we need a bill.
>> So unless ocean wants to eat you know use it but I I think yeah we're we're willing to pay so we just got to know how much. Um, I think that's all I'll do. Anything else on new business?
Okay, commissioner's last word. Let's Let's go roll through everybody today. What the heck, Carol? >> I wasn't going to have any. No. So, um, Jeannie was kind enough to post a a photo that I took um a couple weeks ago when I was helping to rescue
um a wayward snapping turtle um on on Grassier Avenue in Wanasa. And while I was there, I happened to kind of stand up on the railing and look over into Fireman's Pond. And I was really taken by um what's in the water. And I think
that >> for our fall cleanup, we need to >> It's being drenched. >> It's being drenched. >> Okay. When does that happen? >> We don't have to touch it >> in October. >> I mean, there's like automobile seats and blocks being October. >> There's a lot. >> Yeah. >> Not a neglect.
>> Okay. >> Steve, >> we knew we have much. >> Okay. Well, everybody, even let's go, Tony. >> Well, I'm glad we're getting to work on a CV CUN. a long time to
>> to do it. And I remember uh I mean the flume took a long time also, you know, >> little by little getting it done eventually. >> By the way, with the CV, one neat thing, uh they're doing curb cuts on the four locations with the rain guards are doing curb cuts. Steve put in the water's
going to run directly into a rain garden. So that was one of the the big things that the clean or the um deal wershed alliance had asked us to do. So we did that. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Steve, you want to hang the seat,
Bobby? >> It'll start getting nice and quiet soon. >> All good. Um Jeanie, >> um I I just wanted to mention um that I've been trying to get Dennis Walsh to respond to me. You remember this thing
about the >> the Asbury Bridge that he started on? You know, we first communicated about this back in 20120 and here it is 2025 and I now I'm I feel like I've just been
ghosted like calling, leaving messages. Uh he initially I had a whole uh you know he had CC to all these other people at the Mammoth County Engineering Department. And um so now I I include them in that correspondence. So my
question is Don, I know that you know him from Boy Scouts or something. Do you want to read to him because I'm not getting anywhere with him anymore. And then I was over >> send your last letter. Send me your last email correspond. >> All right. It's just a mess and it's getting
>> I'll just send it to Arnon and be done with it. Okay. I'll just do that. >> All right. >> Is that the Anora Bridge? It's the Asbury Bridge in Neptune right on the Oxonia Road. >> Oh, Oxonia. That's >> it's not much of a a bridge, but it's
it's the biggest catch point of trash and all all the trash is Asbury Avenue. Everything flows down and goes into the lake. >> They built the bridge. They when they redid the bridge, they left the old unc non-compliant storm drains open right
next to the compliance storm drains. >> Right. So all the garbage just goes through the hole. That's that's one thing. There's two big um holes like that. But then so they're down in in the lake. All the garbage is down there. And then besides that, the bridge itself,
the curbing has broken. It's eroding because of however they built the the integrity of the bridge isn't any good anymore. And he he said that. So it's a problem. Um, and the water does not flow underneath the the bridge any any longer
because of this mess and the erosion and everything that's happening there. And they're aware of it. And he said that they were going to do, you know, they were going to work on it. And he promised as of Memorial Day, that was the last communication he had said, um,
you know, I promised Memorial Day you'll at least see the the, uh, storm drains taken care of. Nothing. And I was over there, like I said, la last week and looked at it and it's worse than ever, of course. So, yeah, if you want to forward that, Don, or do whatever. Um,
I'm just I don't know where else to go with it. >> We'll do. We'll do. >> Okay. >> Okay. It's in this general area over here. >> So, anyway. Okay. Um, Margot, >> hi. Um, I'm really excited about that Boy Scout
cleanup because I can't believe how um harsh the litter has been on the east end of >> I know >> De Lake. It's sickening every single day. And um >> that's a combination not that's not
necessarily people problems. It's also equipment issues, >> right? And it's a it's a wind tunnel there. But um also I just wanted to like um one of the most overwhelming things and I'm not even in New Jersey right now, but um just how mighty mother
nature is. like I've never seen a double red flag at Lock Arbor Beach this week and um you know just how important DA Commission is to try to >> um you know keep it clean and uh people
safe with the no flooding and everything. So >> check check out the the website tonight or the Facebook page I'll put what the the peak was tonight I think right Josh >> 7 o'clock >> I was right >> like right now >> what okay well I took about an hour ago
or six >> 6:30 I took a video >> I did >> of of the flume >> and it was pretty it was blowing >> we had it open from 9 to 3 today so that was good we got it down a little bit it it wasn't scary people get the misconception right >> that the flume the is going to pour in
and flood people. It doesn't go up that much. It only goes up. >> You wouldn't believe the people even in my neighborhood who live right by it don't understand it. >> Yeah. And Wester Lake, same deal. People called me from the Wesley Lake area said, "What are we going to be safe?" And I I said, "Yeah." I said, and I
said, I I let me I went down there before I came here and the water was literally just coming over. They had lowered the lake. It was coming in from the ocean, just barely coming in. flowing over their dam. You know, an
hour later, it wasn't going to be that much worse. >> Below normal level, I think when they're >> Yeah, it's it's going to be fine. So, everybody's gonna be fine. The the rain when you have a high tide and event and then you have a rainstorm, that's when it's scary. That's when we worry and >> Yes.
>> And that's when we should, you know, lower the lake sufficiently and and get it down to the state requirements. The state require this storm. Technically, we weren't allowed to go below the dam because we didn't have any it wasn't going under over an inch of rain. So, uh but we got it down to top the dam twice
or three times. Twice, right? >> Twice. >> Twice. >> Yesterday and today. >> Yeah. So, we we were down we took it four or five inches and each time. >> Thank you for your hard work. >> And Josh. Josh did a lot of >> And Josh. Thank you. >> So, anyways, >> I got a little caught in there. I sleep
in there, but he the c my wife put in there for me. takes me out of the house. >> Well, I live a block away. Call me if you need anything. >> Um, that's all I got. Let's do the public >> a motion to open the meeting to the public. >> So,
>> second. >> Second. All in favor? >> I left in the public that would like to speak. I see. >> I don't see anybody. >> I don't see anybody. >> No, there's no one here. >> A motion to close public hearing
quickly. Motion. >> Motion to close. Second. All in favor? >> I. A motion to adjourn the meeting. >> I'll make a motion. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I oppose. >> Okay.