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delay commission meeting will be audio and videotaped and will be shown on APV optimum 77 and throughout most of Mammoth County on BIOS 28. >> Ellen Hurst >> present >> Asbury Park >> present
isn't here. Deal >> is here. >> Hi. >> Hi Bobby. >> Inter >> here Arbor >> here. Neptune. >> No. >> Okay. And ocean. >> Tonight we have a resolution to approve
the minutes of the regular meeting from September 18th, 2025. I'm sorry. Alan Hurst and Jill cannot vote. Someone please offer the minutes to be adopted. >> I'll offer as Ray Park.
>> I'll second. Second. All in favor? I >> opposed. And tonight we have a resolution to approve the treasures report and pay bills. Marco, you want to read the report? >> Sure, please. The total on deposit
is $132,65253. The total receipts were $4638. So the total available is $133,1561. Total dispersements $11,218.25 for a total balance of $121,897.36. >> Perfect. Someone please offer the bills to be paid. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Inter. >> Thank you. Alanhurst. >> Yes. >> Aspberry Park. >> Yes. >> Deal. >> Yes. >> Inter. >> Yes. >> Buck Arbor. >> Yes. and ocean. >> Yes. >> Oh, it's nice that so many people.
>> Very nice. >> Okay, done. >> And we got Neptune. Neptune has just arrived. >> Neptune has arrived. >> They walked in through the floor. >> How you doing? >> It's old business, right? >> Yep. >> Okay. Um the German BP storm water
management grant is moving along quite swiftly as as the water was rushing into our flow about about as fast. Um what do you got people? Um we have the contracts with the contractor awaiting final signature and um expect that any day.
Okay. >> I think we talked to him today so they're coming. Um but we have pushed the project along even though he didn't sign it. He provided our office with what we call shop drawings. They're they're the uh schematics of the vortic devices, the storm water structures. So,
he gave all of them to us in accordance with our world. Four of them. They're not all the same. There may be five, >> but right now we're starting with four. Okay. >> Uh so, we reviewed and approved them, gave them back to the contractor so he can order those units. They take could
take up to eight weeks to get. So, I think he has a good in with the vortex people. So, it may be a little less than that, but I'll tell you. Okay. They have to form it, pour it, make sure the holes are in the right locations for the pipes
that are coming in and out. And, um, the concrete has to cure. That's what takes a little bit of time. So, um, that's been done. Um, >> are these the same type of units for the public's college? Same in Com.
It's the same. >> It's the same manufacturer. So, the water >> comes in through the piping system that's in Senior Square Mall parking lot right now. >> It goes into the structure that it goes into. Now, they just have a weir in that structure. So, it goes in, hits the hits
the weir, builds up, and then flows over. It spills into the drainage basins. So there's really no control over sediment unless it falls in suspension and they're having to clean it out. So what this is going to do is it's going to
blow um into the structure. We put a little uh raised up the elevation of the weir that now is going to a hole is going to be bore into that structure. It's going to go into the vortex unit, go through prochemical chamber, a
floatable chamber, and a sediment chamber. goes through three separate chambers and and then it goes back out into the structure and then into the drainage basin. So, it's going to be a lot of uh work, but it's going to be cleaner water coming into the lake
>> and we got a green infrastructure. The only other thing that happened is we uh since it's so visible um and because we have those um rain gardens where we have to excavate the soil, we filed a a free old soil permit as is typical for freehole
soil. They send it back to you and say, "Oh, you're deficient." They wanted a ownership disclosure and a fee for their inspection and a number of notes along with a drainage report. So Dave, I we didn't even get this yet. Jesse got it.
Let me know. It went to you. >> It was the most painful signature I had I haven't had ever made. Really? >> I think they destroyed the lake. >> Oh, yeah. No kidding. >> They were they in 1974 when
>> No kidding. No kidding. Um but they've already revised the plans and we'll probably be submitting it back tomorrow. OS submitted additional Wait a minute. How much is the first? >> $3,400. >> $3,400 and it charges another $1,180.
>> The $3,400 is their application fee and the $1,180 is their inspection fee. So, their inspector can come out and criticize our >> We don't have to pay them until they come, right? >> No, they need it now or they won't give you the permit.
>> Hey, it's government. Aren't they Aren't they shut there? No, they >> Yeah, right. They They left. So, we're in good shape really right now. I would say uh once the contract is signed, he's going to be moving and won't see action
until probably until he gets the units because there's nothing for him to prep from the government logistics side of the house. >> Yes. >> Just one second. Ricky's doing his best to get the money from the the last, you know, quarter report, which like
$69,000. Yes. >> Plus the advanced payments. So, >> they they finally looked at his submitted paperwork like today. >> Yeah. >> And then I guess they I think they posted I'm not 100% sure, but she sent
back an email. I went back to her and said, "It's so important that we d we got to get this done. We'd like to have a report by next Thursday. Okay. Next Wednesday, >> right? 2. >> And I get a message. I >> say sorry. >> They're out. >> They're on vacation. >> They're on vacation. That's right. So
out of the office. So I don't know what's happened with it. I'm going to give a phone call to them tomorrow. >> But we've never on a on a project like this. We've never received money up front. So this is going to be very beneficial. We got money from Ocean Township before, but we never got money from the state up front before we did
the work. We had to complete the work because they did recommend that we check off this one box. We didn't do it the last time and we did it and they actually mentioned >> that was his personal social security number. >> Yeah. >> You didn't look at that, did you? >> But yeah, they >> So, we're in good shape. We're just
moving along and we'll keep going until it's >> done. Where are you? When do you think you'll be starting? >> Uh, probably January when you think about it. I mean, think if we get them if we get the uh stuff in eight weeks, you know, they'll probably just kind of
wait. I would recommend they wait till after Christmas because you don't want to disturb the traffic and all in the mall, >> but it'll be right around that time. They might be dropping off the MTVs and laying them place. >> Yeah, >> they might be doing that. >> Yeah. Very visible. It's going to be a
good project. Oh, it's going to be very good. But Carol's got the ball on the sign. >> Oh, the sign. >> So, we're going to do that. need some information. >> Okay, sure. I'll do that. >> Um and then we'll get to sign up probably when like mid December. >> Well, we have to wait till after the
election so we can recognize the new governor. >> Oh, okay. >> Well, yeah, probably. >> Okay. >> Probably that'll be okay. >> And Don and I talked about using uh >> use
that you Okay. >> And they'll put it I think they'll put it up. I think. Um, okay. Any any other questions? >> Well, I just wanted thought it would be good to clarify for the sake of the public that the devices that Peter's
talking about are manufactured treatment. >> Yeah. MTDs. Correct. >> Yeah. >> And quick question. Um, will this project in January affect the
traffic flow around C view or is it expected to have a small only a small footprint so traffic won't be affected? >> All the work is being done off road. There's no work being done in the road. There's no structure being constructed
in the access road to the mall. So once the contractor devises his access to get off of the It's a little steep there. So what do you have? >> I can see in the mornings maybe where they're coming to work maybe be a little a little >> Don't anticipate a problem. >> Yeah, it should be okay.
>> No, it was just that do we want to start before Christmas or after? And that's why >> Yeah, definitely after. >> Definitely after. We we haven't had face to face with the the mall owner yet, right? that's going to come shortly. So,
>> right. And therefore, it's more respectful. It was just I was trying to figure out what part of the road might be affected given what was said and that we weren't going to start out of respect for traffic. >> We're only going to work at mid from midnight on. Right. Is that
we'll be doing it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. Any other questions? >> I had a question. for my own knowledge or for the public we you use the term weir. >> Could you explain what that is? I mean that is um right now just envision a
large pipe like a 36 inch pipe coming underneath the parking lot from the drainage inlets. All the water goes into it and then it kind of flushes right out into the basin. The big structure that's there, the water goes into that and it's it's like a a drainage inlet or catch
basin. So the water goes in and hits this wall, concrete barrier, and the weir is the the top of it. They kind of cut a notch out of it. So when the water fills up, flows over and goes out. They did it that way to try to control some of the flow and some of the Yeah. >> Okay.
>> But also, so they take the sediment out too, right? >> Uh we will >> from the water to where? >> Um >> doesn't do it doesn't control the velocity. >> It really controls the flow more than the than the sediments in the water. Yeah, absolutely.
>> It's not just the volume water. It's the velocity of water. >> It's a velocity of water. >> That's the biggest probably there more to prevent erosion. There's one already there. They're going to We're going to build it bigger. You're an engineer. >> Oh, yes. Okay.
>> It's going to be something like that. >> Oh, that's what's there already. >> And they're gonna make it bigger. >> It's basically a bathtub with the hole up top so that it's gonna be a V Vshape. >> Correct. Yeah, there's a picture of it at the Grateful Dead. >> Is there serious?
>> Oh, that's the wrong we That's a U. >> That's not a V. >> Okay. Sorry for the public. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, [Music] something else. There was something else. Steve, do you have anything else on that project?
>> Am I forgetting anything? >> No, I you know, Peter covered it all. Um, you know, just so that people know, the uh rain gardens will be constructed in the spring. It doesn't make any sense to do them in the winter because we need to put plants in and we can't get the plants until the spring anyhow and we
want to ensure that the plants that are put in are successful. So, you know, that's where we are. And Peter, just again for the public's um edification, uh just who's the contractor? The contractor is Precise Construction
from Freehold, New Jersey. Tony Blahos is the president and owner and he also did the project uh on Memorial Drive, >> right? >> 319. What 319? Yes. 3MTV. >> He also did dredging of Wesley Lake that we did uh after Supertorm Sandy. And he
also did um the pedestrian bridge in Deal >> uh Sydney Avenue. And what more he also did the reconstruction of the flu. >> Yes, he did with the surge gate which actually used. >> So he's a good contractor. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. That's you know I wanted to mention because he has done you know really good work for the commission in the past. >> Thanks. Uh the other thing was during the the um the green infrastructure build, you know, we're we're we're hoping that the um watershed alliance
teams up with us and and we're volunteer work and and get folks out of their out of the group to to help and that was that's part of the team already. So I'll be talking to Laura McBride and making sure that happens. We got some time in that. So months probably six months or
so, but that's we're we're hoping to make it help out with that. Okay. >> How much was the contract for? >> Steve Feldman. >> One second. One second. >> 500 something,000. >> 493. >> 490 something.
>> 493. >> 493. >> 49327. >> 493. >> Just under the five tax. >> Thank you. >> Let's keep rolling. Shoreline protection. Um
Jamie wrote a nice nice little note going back to DP. Do you want to talk about that, Jean? >> Um, yeah. Well, you know, we had a meeting um Don, Steve and I had a meeting with uh the NJ representatives
uh from land coastal land use and um water enforcement back in June um 5th. And so I wrote a letter because at the last meeting I asked uh Stephen Don do you want to set up uh for another
meeting with them which they had agreed to do um after the beginning of the year. So I wrote to them uh I I wrote a letter. I sent it to Steve and Don and um included the minutes for the June 5th. And in that letter that I'm writing
to them asking them for a meeting in February. So, I'll send it out tomorrow. Then, if you guys both wrote back, that's okay. What you saw, right? >> Yeah, we're good. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you saw the dates that I I'm not going to be available. There's some, you know, there's a period of time
I'm going to be out of the country. So, just keep that in mind. >> Okay. I'll put You want me to state that then? Might as well. So, they don't come back with >> Yep. >> Okay. I'll put those dates in there in that letter >> and I'll send it out tomorrow.
>> Okay. Thanks, Jenny. The 319 grant that we we submitted and we're waiting to know if we want it or not. Uh Steve, any more word on that? That was good. >> Now, uh as you know, the uh decisions were supposed to be uh uh you know, published by D. I think it was September
the 15th, something like that. Um and uh no surprise, they haven't made any announcement. So, I guess we're still in the running at this point in time. >> There you go. That's a good way to say. >> Yeah. Um, okay. The fall cleanup. I am happy to say we had a great turnout and
Josh came out and helped. Thanks. And uh, >> we didn't have it yet. >> I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. The >> boy clean up. Sorry, I skipped a little bit ahead. Let's do the boy scout clean up first. So, I just want to We had some extra
patches. I want to give them to all the commissioners and pass those around. You guys earned your your stripes here for being part of the clean water team here at DA and >> it was it was the patches.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Could you hold the patch up for the camera? >> We're gonna You want to show you the patch now? You got to go right up to [Music] >> Here's what the patch. Yep. Keep going. Keep Oh, good. Closer. Closer. Closer. There you go. That's it. >> Perfect.
>> Yeah. Clean water. Clean waters. New Jersey natural gas wild cat. So we boy scouts teamed up with the shirt natural gas and we did five different water bodies. Deal lake was the primo one. That's where the gas company came to. Um we probably easily over 500 pounds of
material. Um Josh could pulled out a battery. I don't know where you got the battery. Where was your car? But there was a battery in the pile. But the wild part was, you know, we're we're battling the storm coming up. It was
getting windier. It was warm. It was one of those >> It was really good. >> It was good. >> Get all the junk out before, >> but we had a pile of We we missed one big pile at the end of Kingsley. And I had to drive by and we picked it up. We looked at it. The guy didn't pick it up because I didn't tell him about it. So,
the county picked all the trash and stuff that. And then during while I was looking at that, I dropped my hat off my bike. Yes. >> And I went all the way home and go. So I drove back and my wife were going out to dinner and sure enough there's the hat right at the corner and I picked it up. I saved my hat. So hat did not become
trash but the w the bags were blowing and there was a lot of weight in those bags because they weren't going anywhere. So that was probably another couple hundred pounds and it just stood there just those bags. >> Hey Don, did you log all of the um participants so we can get our in well
over 60 participants and I have all their names. >> Good. Yeah, I even have photos. >> That's perfect. We can we need to submit that with the next quarterly report. >> Thank you. I got to remember that spreadsheet. You gave us a my We worked
on that spreadsheet. >> Yeah. Yeah. You amended it. I thought, you know, there was some really good additions to it because it it provided more, >> you know, more specificity as to what was being. Do me a favor and next week a week after beat on me and send me an
email just to remind me because I keep on I did I did initial one but I got it updated and get the information and what we're doing tonight people here that all counts too. >> 60 Boy Scouts. >> Oh, a lot of Boy Scouts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was Boy Scouts and and they
have a 16 from the gas company. Uh it was probably over it was probably over 60 because I was 60 boys like different couple different troops like five or six and I'll tell let me just and one I didn't I didn't know what troops were. I didn't know who they were. I knew my
troop and and two kids from troop 40. The other ones were from Freehold and uh Colts Neck and and I split them up. I split them up my troop and they went different directions. Uh Josh took my guys. They went to the ocean and I kept the 40 guys and I I kept the troop from
uh prehole at at the motor ramp and you know they're working away. I gained responsibility cutting the notweed pulling the notweed out and doing some you pick up trash pick up and then I noticed they were handicapped. They were that was the handicapped troop from you know them well. uh they come week four
or five at summer camp and uh they they do great work with the kids and there was five kids and five adults and they had a ball and they felt like they did something and they accomplished something and one of the photos I put on on Facebook was that group and they were
just beaming the whole time. So that was one of my most rewarding cleanups that day. Yeah, we were able we had to get how we were able to do um the flume grates that run all the way out right to the ocean. So, we're able to take care of like most of fisherman's lot as well because a lot of that ends up in the
lake. You'll blow across. So, what was the other one? Oh, then two a father and two young cub scouts camp and I'm think what are we going to do with him? The magnets came in handy. So, I grabbed how much I go magnet fishing. Oh, they went nuts. And so, we sent them on the bridge
and they they pulled a couple things out. So and they spent two hours doing that. So it was old. So his magnets are coming. We got three magnets that would definitely come in handy. We sent the the gas company guys into Inner Lake and DC.
>> Anyway, very good. Any questions on the cleanup? >> Yeah. Could a Could a few of the nice pictures you found be thrown up on our web page just to >> Sure. Sure. Sure. >> Happy noise. >> Nice things. Nice. >> I'll send them over to uh Kenny.
>> Okay, that's a great idea. Um the cleanup coming up October 25th. Um on the 19th, we'll start at night. We'll start lowering the lake again and hopefully it doesn't come back
like it did the other day. Um so, you know, boat owners, shoreline owners, just you know, start clean up around your your lots. boat owners try to get your boats out this this weekend and by you know you got all weekend there's a couple
not pontoon big pontoon boats and they can't get the boats out without water so I recommend they they start blowing them or just keep them in place and wait for the water to be come back so in a couple weeks we should have water back I don't know if there's any did you look for any storms that after the 25th I think we're
clean on 25th right >> yeah I mean it's far out but yeah now I don't see Okay. >> There's something out in the tropics when I'm still >> um [Music] >> about the cleanup. Don, um do you want
to have the MTDs cleaned out? >> Yes. Oh, please. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Genie. >> Okay. And Sunset Lake as well. Do they need to be cleaned out, too? >> They should clean them. The only one they don't have to clean is Memorial because I think that's been We can clean that anytime. the all the ones around
the lakes should be cleaned. I I did ask the uh one of the guys from Asbury to lower Sunset too so it' be easier to clean the MTDs. >> You know who you spoke with? >> Dan spoke to Dan. >> Dan. Okay. >> I don't know his last name be honest
with us. >> Okay. Okay. I'll let them know. >> Okay. Thanks. Um Okay. The Azby Park wheel still bothered me. So, I wrote an email to these guys at the last meeting.
I sent it to the D. I got crickets. Crickets. I got nothing back. I called them today. No answer. So, I left a message. Um, and that was with Dan. And I'm not sure if Dan was the lead guy, but he's definitely part of that team.
>> Um, so hopefully we can we can connect with them. But there's no action on that that site. >> The one from Memorial. >> Yeah, there's no action. Do you know any direction building wise? There's >> final plans were approved. I know the
name of the developer. >> Yeah, I know that. >> My question is about the Ginger Becker Bankert, the NJ supervisor of water and remember we did bring that up in our meeting in June, >> right?
>> I can't find her email. I can't you send an email. Is that enforcement? >> It's it's in the list people that are going to take a meeting. >> So, yeah, I'll talk to you guys. >> You can shoot it over to me. That'd be great. >> Definitely. Her name >> Yeah. Her name >> Ginger Banker.
>> Ginger. >> Banker. BN C K E R T. She's the supervisor for water enforcement. >> Okay. If you shoot that email over, that'd be great. >> Okay. >> I'll send it to her tomorrow. >> Um, okay. What else?
>> Storm dream. >> Okay. Now, N Genie, you're going to be happy about this. So, I talked to the county today. Um they they relooked they went over there and looked at Asbury Avenue um just east of Bimler and before
Oxenia and the storm drains there going across Hollow Brooker. They look great, but there's breaks in the curb which allow trash to flow right into them. So, they they plan in the next couple of weeks, I hope, to repair them. And it
there's there's greater things to be done there, more things, but least going to stop the trash from going down, but there's just an opening, a wide opening between the two storm drains. So, they're going to have to build that up either with asphalt or concrete, and
they'll do a much better job down the road. But, um, I said they they they made it such a large project, they kind of pushed it off to the end. And I said, just get the curbs fixed, you know, just repair them. Even it's temporary, it's better than nothing.
>> Just get the drains clo cover those old storm drains that are well >> one of the drains is clogged and they're going to try to unclog that. Um but the big thing is yeah just they they do have multiple storm drains there full compliant supposedly. No, there are I'm
sorry. Uh are three compliant drains and there are two non-compliant that they left the old ones wide open. You know, right there. So, those are just like big holes that everything goes through. But were you talking about one of the compliant drains is
>> they they're supposed to put all compliant drains in and new curbing. That's what they're supposed to do. >> Right. Right. >> Yep. So, okay. So, that was that and that has to be done hopefully before the next meeting next week. I was just talking to Dennis today. >> Good.
>> Okay. Any other old business? >> No. >> Yeah. Jeannie, did you find out the status of the Asbury contract and when they're returning their agreement? >> I I I know they leave that to Jesse to answer. I I've requested >> That's a good question.
>> I'm sorry. I thought you were looking into it, Jean. We our CFO called the CFO from Asbury and was told the mayor was holding it up for some reason. >> But what's happened since in August the mayor John Moore still
>> but you did we sent out addendum one and two. >> Okay. >> With the resolutions and those I haven't gotten back yet from Asbury. I haven't received the original agreement or addendum one. Everybody else I
received the agreements and addendum one. So now I'm waiting for addendum two from everybody but Asbury has not sent >> I know as did it because we sold on TV. >> So you saw on the video >> they have not sent it and they have not sent their assessment for 2025.
>> Josh put Josh has all the papers. >> I gave Josh the papers >> drop off your house. >> You gave Josh the p the original agreement and addendum. I didn't give them the original agreement because they should have it. >> They already have. >> Yeah, it should be signed and sent to
us. >> I think it would make sense to send Asbury or anyone Jesse and myself to do it, but it should should receive a letter and say inquiring the status of the agreements and their payment. I mean, it's now October. >> Okay.
>> Just to be clear, what is it that Josh, what is it that you have Josh? for documents. >> Josh, >> addendum one and two and you're going to take those there. >> No, no. >> I'm giving them to you to take. >> You already have them in your email to
take. I sent them to you today. >> You sent them today. >> With a letter with a copy of the letter that was sent. >> Okay. >> And the motions and the >> resolutions that we were pass here which is kind of case.
>> Okay. So, and in terms of the original agreement, um, I don't think it would hurt for you to give me a copy of that so I can just say, "Where is this?" So, when I'm talking about it, >> you should have it, Jeie. You definitely have that in your file. There's a I send
it out multiple times to everyone. >> Especially, >> just have to look my name. Just >> Please, I've asked for this a number of times. So, could you just send it to me, Jesse? the original agreement that went out or this copy of the original
agreement and um if you sent me those one and two I know they have it for some reason >> we have to be careful there's two different agreements and we got there's a typo and it was changed so we got to be careful we're sending the right one >> right that's
>> I don't want to get in this contest again where they signed the wrong document >> I I want to um I would correct document So, >> but how about this? If they don't have it, >> we'll send them one. >> I mean, how about that? I mean, I send
me copies. >> Okay. I'll send you a copy of everything. >> That's it. We'll let we'll let Paul's going to do a letter and we'll send it through Paul. So, Paul will check it. >> It's easier for me. I'm just saying it now. I'm going to be away. Um, that's why I kept asking, but I'm going to be
away until like the end of October. So, um, okay. >> As soon as I come back, that's the first place I'll go. And I'll I'll take those documents and find out what's going on with them and get them signed. >> Okay. I I think you'll be happy. I think they're going to get it done. That's
what I think. I think they'll get it done by the end of August. >> I don't know. You know, I don't know why, but I'll find out. >> Okay. >> Is there a problem? >> I don't know. I thought you said you saw them sign it on a video.
>> Watch the video. We watched the video earlier that the mayor for whatever reason is holding it >> is holding >> he's holding the check. >> Right. So that's a problem. >> Oh that's a separate issue. Right. The assessment. >> They're all part of the same issue.
>> Right. Right. >> Fulfing your obligation. >> Right. But >> he wanted one addendum. We did it. Send it out. Then he wanted another addendum. We sent that out. He didn't send any of the dendims >> and we agreed on the wording. You had a
nice meeting with them >> and I was involved. You were involved. It was okay. >> So, but but you said you saw them at a meeting sign the original document, right, of um >> at their meeting on January 15th or 16th, a day before we were supposed to
have our new installation. They they agreed to it. >> You can find them on >> It's on It's on your APV, >> right? Okay. >> It's there. So with that video, we continued the delay commission, but for two weeks, we didn't have a delay commission, >> right?
>> This happened in the past, though. This >> I was talking to Dan Jacobson, the records, by the way. >> And then the other thing is the assessment >> and he said this happened before. >> That's that's another issue is the assessment. And what is it that you the mayor what what did you hear from the
mayor about the >> I had no idea. I mean >> that he was withholding the payment until he got the addendums for the agreement. >> That's right. Okay. >> Oh, which >> that was >> one was sent a quite a while ago. >> Do we have copies of the minutes from the January 15th or 16th minute
>> from now? >> No, I have a copy of the resolution not >> the minutes are online now but okay. So yeah, the assessment send that as well and I'll take everything
that I think I gave another copy of that to Josh with in that package that I think >> let's keep moving along. Um, new business nor Easter >> I don't know if you saw you were you you're following the Facebook page or
following the emails I sent but it was tough. It was one tough storm. I mean, Sandy was tough. This was as tough. Not as violent as Sandy, but the flow of water was non-stop. Josh and I, we couldn't believe how much on that was it
Monday, next Sunday, Sunday, all day. We we couldn't we couldn't move. We got the water low. We got it below the state requirements. Um, and you know, one probably went got at 20 inches 22 inches down and it just
kept on coming and coming and we had the rain and we had about we had one I had 1.9 in night almost two inches on my o'lock. Um, but when we on Sunday night when we were looking at each other and watching the water pour in like the Uber dam and the gates are down, the water
still comes in. Um, we decided on Monday morning to deploy the the nuclear option, which was the guillotine gate, which we never did before. And I'll tell you, I was I was very nervous because once you get it down, if it doesn't go up, you're not draining water at all.
So, uh, we tested it. We we dropped it, opened it up again, it came up, said, "Okay." We dropped it again and only a couple inches. U, it took an hour to lower with three guys. Um, >> two young, one old.
And I'll tell you, it was it was it was >> young. And then the midnish guy came back on Tuesday and and literally brought the gate back up. It's a big ship wheel rotated. He didn't have any backup there, but he did it all himself
and he sore for the next two days. Um but we got it open and the water was flowing. Uh it was an experience. It was very positive experience and I thank Josh and Son. >> Thank you. Yeah, thank you. >> I think it was important for us to >> Great job, guys.
>> Moving forward, if we have a predicted storm surge of that size, >> we were able to see firsthand, both Don, myself, and some others of what high tides at certain elements are going to bring. We have a very good indication of what like a 30 40 mph nor easter is
going to bring pushing in >> and we can act accordingly. Um, >> when is every wind >> the wind the wind and the tide phase and we we're kind of coming off a full moon as well. So, there's a few other there was a little bit of a trick there, but I think ultimately, you know, if this
storm had two more inches of rain or an inch another inch of rain, we would have had a problem probably. But because we had a longer duration on the rainfall coupled with everything else, we were able to sort of thread the needle on it. But it was a lot. >> I was watching from afar. I'm so glad to see that they backed off on the amounts
of rain. That helps. >> Yeah, I don't have any estimate of what it's going to cost, but >> we're going to hire the the actuator company that does the actuators in the building >> to do a maintenance job on that. We need >> it worked fine, but we need to hit grease it. It has a grease location.
Grease it and also paint it up. It needs to be painted and we want to change that white. There's a white protective cover over the threads. We want to change that to clear, a durable clear, so we can see where the threads are. and mark at the end. Well, trust me,
when you go down, you know when you're down. >> And there's only like there's a certain machine made adapter that you need in order to connect the wheel and it's very small and it's very slippery when it's raining. And maybe make one or two more of those because you're standing on a great if it falls out of your hand, it's going down for I had my my church was
involved because they took two old mats from my church and brought them over and laid them down >> and they're still there. And I just didn't if we dropped that piece, we're toast. I mean, we could have made something from some from wood maybe, but it was we didn't want to rescue.
>> Put it in for wheels. We have three or four wheels. >> That's not the problem. It's a big nut and a little backup nut and a backup adapter that gets kept in the flume like in a you know break in case of emergency. >> And one thing we did we did deploy was the drill. We had a drill. We have two drills, right? One for out there and one
which is very slow but works. And that's the one adapter that doesn't fit very well. And the temperature was the temp. We heated it up. Might have got fit, right? Um but the other one was a drill that goes over the the hand crank inside this the building and that worked pretty good. So we were ready for a power
outage, too. So we had we deployed everything. Everything was down. >> We probably had $9,000 worth of drills and and hit stands. Put it in perspective. That storm that flooded Lock Arbor, I don't remember how many
years ago now, 10 12 years ago. But I evaluated I I evaluated the lake elevation during the storm though and in a in a the low tide as the water is
surging out you drop about an inch an hour in the lake. >> Right? >> On a high tide when the ocean water is surging in it rises about 2 in per hour. So more water comes in from the ocean than literally goes over the spillway
and that's because of the the tidal surge coming in. >> And we were getting like 10 hours out of 12 of surge. We had a very limited window where the tide would turn and even if we opened it, it was almost stagnant and swirling. No way. >> That's what went into designing the the knife gate
>> and it worked. It was perfect timing. I I from the last storm, the September 29th, 2023 storm, which was horrible. Um, a couple good things came out of it. Uh, we I had a lot of discussions with John Leersdorf who's a res lake resident
and he is owns Lake House music and he went out and bought a wall system. >> I saw that >> and I don't think I can get it to you. >> They use this in Europe all the time >> and it's a spectacular interlocking wall system. It cost it cost the money 10,
you know, thousands of dollars. But I'm going to I'm going to recommend it, put it on our website and and Facebook page for Lake residents and and businesses. And also I'm going to pass around to the OEMs because it's beneficial. It could help for certain houses, it could
definitely help. Um, and if they they if they know if we have a big storm coming and they're saying four or five inches, you better start deploying >> because four or five inches above that, >> you might we're not going to make it somehow. >> Yeah. So, this would be the solution for
a lot of it's a wall. It's interlocking wall gives you another three >> three feet of protection, >> which is great. It could be for you guys. >> Is it plastic? >> It's plastic. It's it's U-shaped. It's very simple. It's it's it's like this computer and it sits up and the water
sits on the on the bottom and it holds it up and it interlocks. It's locking and you push it back against the wall and there's foam ends and the foam ends because of the weight of the water lock it in. There's very little leaks to if any. So >> you're saying it would work at our
house? >> I would I don't know how it comes in. >> Little wall. >> Does it come in in the front of your house? Well, I think that's why we >> the house, but it stops at the wall. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I think that's why the wall is there. >> There's there's other problems with homes because the water will percolate
through the ground, which is another problem. So, you know, with that and a pumping system in the B, you can keep semi dry. That would be but it's and it's you got to have storage for it. It takes up space. Uh it does shrink, but you have to have storage and you got to
have somebody put it up. Some folks would need a contract or something to do it or some arrangement. So, we'll bat it around with the OEMs that we're connected with around the lake and see. >> You should definitely put that on the website.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's it's it it's really cool and very easy. >> I think about the news before like I didn't know what it was, but you It's just >> But he went down Lake Street that John had his bit the business next to him had something different. >> It's online. There's photos of it all over. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Um,
>> that's cool. >> Ocean Township storm water management plan uh was we got a request to look at that and I think Steve I think if if it's okay with the commission maybe Stephen Steve can take a peek at it and make some comments on behalf of us if
that's okay. >> Um if gentleman sitting in the audience >> I think it's >> so they want us to take a peek at it. So I said, "What the heck?" So it looked pretty good for the most part.
>> Um, but we got, you know, I want to look at solutions up in Harvey Brook. That was one of the my main concerns. So >> anything else. >> Okay. >> Now, I'll just add one of the first ones that have been submitted. You know, they
they need to be submitted by uh January 1 or December, you know, the 30th of this year. But uh um yeah, it was one of the first ones that were submitted that that uh I have seen submitted thus far. >> And be honest with you, all the towns
should come come to the dealer to the dealway commission for a review. That's my personal opinion. So if you haven't your town hasn't done it, they should send us a copy unless you >> Yeah, I think I think Don and Peter, you can correct me for the watershed inventory reports. DP does not require
uh public uh involvement but for the watershed assessment report and for the watershed improvement plan that is mandatory that there is public involvement. >> No. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Um any other new
business? Okay. Let's uh let's open up to the public right now. Let's do that. >> Okay. >> Switch it around a little bit. And would someone make a motion to open the public the meeting to >> second? >> All in favor?
>> I oppose. >> Okay, public. I think I Who's there? Bob, you got a couple questions. >> Uh, I'm here, guys. I'm just here to listen. I put I just put a picture in the in the chat, though. I feel eagles hanging out at the satellite tower over
>> Oh, good. That's good. Thank you for that. >> Really cool. >> That was Oh, yes. >> Osprey. You know, >> Bob, would you send that to me? Email that to me. I'd like to hundreds of yards away with a long high school, right?
>> Can you guys see it in chat? I don't know. I have it open right now. >> Yes, it's lovely. >> Wow. >> The osprey they've taken it over. >> They took it over. >> Yeah, the ospreys are gone. >> I think Yeah, that's
>> I'm sure they're higher than the water tower. You'll get that on the water. >> That is so pretty for the lake. Good for their health. >> Thank you, Bob. >> Yeah, you bet. Enjoy. Keep up. Good work. >> Excellent. Okay.
>> Any other I I might have a scout on the phone from Is that is phone number 42? Was it you got something there? No. Okay, I guess not. >> Okay, that's it. >> Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Just about the the watershed inventory report. Hopefully, like Steve was saying, was a public outreach portion about it. Um hopefully early 2026, we can schedule it. So, I'll do a short meeting here Monday night.
>> Okay. and kind of satisfy that part >> potentially for a couple years since >> Is that for the stormwater management plan or >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> going forward into the second phase. >> Well, there's another phase.
>> Yeah. Three phases that constitute the whole thing, but >> yeah, >> that's something. Stephen, we've done that before and we invited like a DPW representative town >> and and maybe somebody from the governing body. Just invite them, maybe
planning board >> and have it as an educational seminar. Perfect. >> Yeah. And that that is a requirement of our of our grant. That's one of the things we're supposed to be doing. >> That's what you lob those hours in for. >> Yeah,
that is one of our tasks on the grant. Yes, he said something. >> Thanks. Thank you, Steve. That's my alter. >> Yeah, >> let me go. Let me go to the alternate version of Brian M. Mr. I always >> I always have some comment, I guess. Um,
Orchard Plaza on 35. So, apparently sold to >> not in the waterershed. Don't care. >> But that's the question. This comes up because you you bring up ocean storm water management, >> right?
>> Things. So years going in the way back machine years ago when the friends of D8 were kind of getting started again, they were building the they had put in plans to build the coals >> and so we all went to the board meetings and
hearings about that requesting storm water management controls be put in place when you did that. I would >> and the town is that the it's not zoning. That's what board is that >> the planning board engineer was saying, "Oh, we're going to leave that up to the
state." The state decides state decided leave up to the state. Well, the they knew that and they didn't disturb more than the acreage allowed to not require the state to step in, >> right? So the township did nothing and
required nothing of that development to do any storm water management patrols. So Peter at one time said Neptune has very good storm water management things in place that ocean did not have at the
time I expect still does not have that. So would that be a recommendation from the LA commission that if they if there is development anywhere in Ocean not just alone because for flooding change that is less than the state mandate that
they still require to be >> they do have that ordinance in place now in ocean if the change right it's changed when the time >> well yeah every five years you have to review it and update it but it's the uh master plan requires a storm water
management plan that Stephen was talking about and then the land development ordinance has the stormwater management regulations and you know I'm not involved in the planning board there in ocean but every application that comes before the planning board has to be
reviewed if it's a major development or storm water compliance >> disturbance of one acre >> exactly is yeah or >> across those >> but an acre of disturbance >> mandated that isn't it less than an acre >> um no There are certain instances where
um a quarter acre of impervious coverage but >> yes and that's what poll it was less than a quarter. >> Yeah. But they didn't have the ordinance in place at the time. It was prior. >> That's a big lot. I mean that's more than they got. >> It wasn't an acre of disturbance. >> It wasn't an acre of disturbance.
>> They didn't they didn't redo the parking. >> Okay. >> So they kept it under that quarter of an acre. That's right. Yeah. You mean the pre-existing build, >> but they tore up and disturbed a certain so and there's an opportunity for the town to say you need to do something
since that was >> problem area missed the opportunity. That's right. >> I I know there's there's some kind of proposal the merge the planning board the zoning board. I I'm not familiar with that. I'm not sure what the impact of that is but that is on the ballot for
this coming election. So, just to let you know, >> you may want to ask questions about that folks on the plane. >> Yeah. Anyway, okay. Any other comments? Public comments. Okay. >> Motion to close the public hearing.
>> Second. Angel. All in favor? >> Opposed? >> What? >> Oh. Oh, so it's not until >> we're not there. Uh, Commissioner Commissioners, last word. Gina, you're first.
>> Oh, I just I just want to get uh we're not meeting in November, so our next meeting is December >> what? >> Fourth. >> Fourth. Okay. >> Just want to have that. >> Thank you.
>> Anything else, Danny? >> Um, no. Nope. I'll just follow you up with that out to the >> Let me ask you a question. How's that? How's your your that new construction by your house? I I noticed it from the I went I went on the lake the other day and I saw it was it was well underway
and they had a lot of debris on them. Old debris, not there that big balls, but there the shorelines showing all kinds of bricks from the 1920s laying. >> Yeah, they they pulled up a lot of a lot of uh brush over there. I guess they
contacted I haven't talked to him since, but he had contacted the NJT and they came over and they gave him some preliminary information that he needed to go on and then he was waiting for them to come back to him. But meanwhile,
he pulled out a boat that was buried under the under the debris and all sorts of stuff. Oh, you know, I don't know how many years that had been like that, but there were >> by Jill Hoff over there and there was a lot of stuff, >> a lot of stuff. And, you know, he's just
trying to clean it up because he wants to put uh I guess there used to be stairs there. You would never know it because it was just covered with junk. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, that that's all I know. I mean, I I've got no view now, you know, cuz it
used to be a ranch house. It's now a three-story building right next to my house. So, nothing I could do about it, though. >> You could build bigger. >> You could be You could build bigger. There you go.
>> My house is also three stories. So, it's >> Okay. Um, Bobby, what do you got? >> Uh, a couple things. There's a trick and trot run and deal out of the casino the last weekend in October. It's kind of a fun thing. It's run by the Jersey Shore
Running Association and it benefits the fire department and the ASPCA and there's a dog walk so you can >> get your dog dressed up and there are awards for cutest costume and so forth.
Um, also deal is putting through some uh some deal residents are routing their sump pumps back into the the their home sewers again. So, they're going to do some work on that. And um what else are
they doing? Uh, I think that's mostly Oh, they're going to do a smoke test for the sewer to figure out whose homes are routing the um sump pump water into
>> smoke. Smoke them out. >> Basically smoking them out. There we are. >> Wow. Violate the ordinance. That's what >> blowback. I I think round one you're
just going to be told to fix it, but apparently the minute it starts raining in deal, the amount of uh sewer water >> surges for that >> there. There are so many bad jokes there. We'll just let that be.
>> Very good. Thanks for showing up. Uh, I wanted to just give a little plop out to Don, Josh, and Don for the work with the >> the another opportunity for that. I'd like a
phone call because I'd like to be part of that. >> You know, we could look, >> you know, I was thinking about it. We could drop a camera down here. >> You should because I think >> that would be pretty cool. That'd be pretty cool. >> Well, we also, it would be nice to know. We don't know the clearance of the
opening. It's behind that because of the angle. So, it' be nice to see how high we actually have to raise it because I felt like when we started it was about maybe two feet higher than it needed to be. So, we had to get through those two feet and then we started making >> very very slow. It is insanely slow.
>> Yeah. >> It's not visible. >> Let's put it that way. >> Yeah. As you're turning the wheel, nothing's happening. doesn't I had to put a stick down like watch on the plate and we have a we have a bar that you can watch and we put a
plate on. I couldn't see it moving and I just held it and I looked I said it's not pushing up with good >> so a little safe to lower it but >> it's got to be over a thousand revolutions to close the gate if not more. >> It's good work.
>> And then and then I'll see everybody at the cleanup on the 25th. I'll be right over >> with you. I'm breaking them up a little differently this time. Um, I'll probably be giving information later tonight or tomorrow to them. They're asking for it. They're all revved up about it. Uh, I know one of the big administrators over
there and that was good. Okay. >> Uh, question before we go um about the meeting that we're asking for with the NJ since Steve can't come the last two weeks in February. Should I just say
February or March? then put that to them and include the, you know, the dates that he won't be around. And um >> why did you say February and be done? Let's get it done. Let's get it done. Let's get it done. >> Well, I the reason I was asking that is because Steve will not be here the last
two weeks in February. That's what he >> Maybe just say the first two weeks just right. Just just get it done early. We can >> let's see what they say. see if we can get it done as early as vacation because I'll tell you the the we need we need to know about the violations. >> Yeah,
>> I mean I'd be fine with that. Just, you know, tell them the first two weeks in in February. >> Okay, I'll try that. >> They could be Oh, they could be offered a Super Bowl. You never know. Okay. I want to congratulate you guys for the
for protecting us against the storm surge and I think everything worked well like it was supposed to design which took a very long time to put in place and I'm glad to hear making progress over a long time with CV got that done. I mean I think that's a
big accomplishment. >> Not done yet. It's not >> I also >> anything about Wesley Lake. >> How did >> Hold on. Not your turn. Hold on. >> Hold on, Mara.
>> I I also want to say thank you so much. And I know everyone in Lock Arbor sits and worries so much. And I do not think people realize how important all of this is and how how intricate all the work is that goes into I know a lot
>> for you for for lockar especially and and east asbury those gates have an act have a system a light system when it gates 100% 99 doesn't work 100% there's a light led light >> I'm going to bring that up
>> please do that and Those lights were on for 24 hours cuz we left the gates open and shut the surge chain. So there was no flow, but they were protected because we knew it was only half an inch of water. Half an inch of water gives us 6 in rise maybe or not nothing more. And
we were protected. It wasn't even up to it didn't never went over the the bulkhead n >> and even so like there was there's nothing we could have do. We could not have let water out until Tuesday I think late afternoon. >> It just wouldn't have happened. And you guys were calling at me and your your
poor OEM, uh, Bill, uh, the the captain, he he was calling me, begging me, "What's going on? Are we going to get flooded?" I said, "You're not." >> Yeah. He was he was getting pounded by people. They were calling, I guess, the police. >> Yeah. We're in a group chat like,
"Please tell me, I have good news." and didn't get as good of information obviously, but we did all of a sudden get the less rain was coming. >> Yeah. And you got Oh, there was a letter that went out to Maryland and Maryland
basically >> my blood pressure. >> What the letter? >> Yeah, we were far away because >> Was it worse? I forgot. I thought it was okay. But whenever they send out the actual there's like a a a rating system and you
never worry. But when Marilyn sends out a letter, you know, uh oh, I happen to be on alert. Get all the pumps ready and the hoses and the alternate, you know, electricity sources. >> I think she said we were on it. She there was
dropped ball. >> We did drop the wall. Did that come up? >> I also want to mention a clean ocean action beach sweep is this Saturday. The weather's supposed to be nice. It's 9:12 and no one comes to Lock Arbor anymore. They all go to Asbury.
>> Anybody? >> They give beer. >> Get some 400 people. >> Everybody wants to go to the bars after. >> You're right down the street. More trash down. Is it? >> We do have a lot of trash.
Eric, what you got? >> Well, I just want to reiterate what everybody else has said. I think uh people live around the lake are lucky Don Rock's around and you know showing the whole gang. >> He's relieved a lot of pressure though. Let me tell you,
>> it's got to be a relief to people. I don't know what they know that somebody's actually taken care of all this when there's a storm, but uh you know, thanks. I mean, you guys do a great job. um would like to just maybe statement about we had our pancreatic cancer
event. >> Thank you. >> And uh we have probably 700 people there at the headliner. >> So it's uh it's really caught on because there's so many people that struggle from pancreatic cancer. >> You know, we have there's a lot of friends and family that come and it's a
great event. >> But the headliner's closing. >> Yeah. >> Sunday is there's a big part >> coming up Sunday. Yeah. So, uh, >> I think it'll be like an all day thing. Everybody wants to stop in, reminisce a little bit about
happier times or whatever. >> Part of the redevelopment project >> condos going to be a hotel there. >> Drastic, too. >> Was that pound the pavement? >> What's that? >> Yes. Pound the pavement. >> Okay. So, my daughter Lucy's an EMT, so we work. >> Yes.
>> Is it party Sunday? 12 here. >> Is your party Sunday? >> What's that? >> Sunday. Your party? >> Not a party. My party last day Sunday. Mike Bask. >> Okay. >> So, anybody wants to stop? >> Where is it? One of the high school high
school classmates. >> Yeah. I mean, he had a good run there. I mean, >> yeah, he started he started. >> Yeah. Royal art. But that that venue for our event was just perfect. I mean, couldn't you
couldn't have asked for a better venue. >> The course was a great course to >> lose that. Now we got to search around. We got to get another, >> you know, we need him because we're certified 5K. We got to get a, you know, a new rout. It'll be interesting, but we're going to continue on. >> Okay. Yeah. My my actually have a friend
that's coming down tomorrow and staying overnight and he's going through the surgery. >> Oh, terrible. >> Yep. He's doing good though, but he's going through the whole series like Steve R did and he's doing his trip here to the east coast. >> He's doing that. Yeah.
>> Whipple procedures. >> He's in Switzerland right now, but >> Steve would be very interested in >> Oh, he's been there. He's been involved. Steve's been involved, right, Steve? With your your rally, your race.
>> Yeah. Oh. Oh, but Oh, yeah. pancreatic. >> Is that the deal commission? >> He's doing really really well after >> he spoken. >> Killing me. Let me let me keep it going, guys. Let me keep it rolling. Um, the
other day I took Jeff Weinstein, a council representative. He's involved with the environmental commission and other things. And he looks over my shoulder at De Lake, which is great. He's a great guy. And I took him, he wanted to go on a lake tour. So I picked him up at Allen. Beautiful dock at Allen Hurst, by the way. Every town should
have one or two of those docks. It's spectacular. I pulled my boat up. They had kayaking racks and all that. And we jumped in. I gave about an hour and a half tour or two hour two hour tour. Turned out to be about half tour. And it was very impressive. Beautiful day.
these beautiful days. I got them on the line. The OEMs have been the communication link we have with the OEMs now is spectacular. It's worked really really well. I think we're all happy about it. Mayors are happy about it. I think so.
>> I saw earlier he was happy. >> Yeah. And it gets it also helps the other links and they have because they hear what we're feeling and they cut C. That's all I got. A motion to adjourn the meeting.
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I oppos. Thank