So rise for the the pledge. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Okay. Thanks for coming. January meeting, >> Jesse, >> lawyers. >> The notice requirements of the open public's meeting act for this meeting have been met by transmitting the notice of the regular meeting to the commissioner's official newspaper on
February 6, 2025, posting the notice where required, and filing a copy of the notice with the commission clerk. The delay commission meeting will be audio and videotaped. It will be shown on APV optimum 77 and throughout most of Mammoth County on Bios 28.
>> Alenhurst. >> Yeah. >> Asbury Park. >> Yes. >> Deal. Is Bobby there? >> Bobby there. >> She's at the meeting. >> It is. >> Inter >> here. >> Lock Arbor
>> here. Neptune and Ocean. >> Yeah. >> Tonight we have a resolution to appoint the clerk me >> for the year 2026. If you'll have me >> a second.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, now therefore, be it resolved by the DA commission that the clerk and chairman BNA are hereby authorized and directed to engage the services of Jesse M. Joseph as Cook to the Glay Commission for the year 2026 at a rate of 8200 annually. So, Alenhurst,
>> yes. >> Asbury Poor, >> yes. >> Inter Ocean, >> sure. >> Okay, I need a a nomination. or to appoint the chairman.
>> Um I >> the nomination of somebody >> I nominate that. >> Okay. >> Like a second. >> Let me there. >> All in favor? >> I >> I opposed.
>> Okay. Are there any further nominations? I need a motion to close the nominations. Motion to close Asbury Park. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> opposed. >> Be it resolved by the delay commission
that Don Brock B and he is hereby appointed as chairman of the delay commission for one-year term expiring December 31st, 2026 or until his or her successor has been duly appointed. All in favor? >> I opposed.
>> Okay. or enters or goes to jail. Either way, >> ready or goes to jail. We need a nomination for vice chairman. >> Carol Rody. >> I second. >> All in favor?
>> I opposed. Any other nominations for vice chairman? A motion to close the nominations. >> Motion to close Asbury Park. Second. >> I'll second. >> Thank you. All in favor?
>> I >> opposed. Be it resolved by the DA commission that Carolyn Rory B&H is hereby appointed as vice chairman of the DA commission for a one-year term expiring on December 31st, 2026 or until her successor be duly
appointed. All in favor? >> I opposed. I hope not. We need a resolution to appoint the treasurer. A nomination of >> intellect nominates. >> Thank you. Second. >> Second.
>> It was already seconded. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Perfect. Any other nominations? Motion to close the public hearing. >> Uh motion to close Asbury Park. >> Second.
>> Thank you. All in favor? I >> oppose. Could be it resolved by the dill commission that Marggo Fern Nicola B and she is hereby appointed treasurer of the delay commission for a one-year term expiring December 31st, 2026 or until
her successor be duly appointed. All in favor? >> I opposed. Perfect. Now we need a nomination for deputy treasurer. >> I think it was Eric Hotelling, right? >> No, was it? was Bobby. But how about
Tony? >> Um, he's not the official. He can't >> do Eric. >> He can't do it. Okay. >> They have to hear >> nomination of Eric. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Well, you have to do it. I can't. You >> I know. >> Okay. You're nominating. Okay. >> I'll second that motion for Eric
Hoteling. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Any other nominations? A motion to close the public hearing. the nominations. >> Motion to close.
>> That's right. >> All in favor? >> I >> be it resolved by the delay commission that Erica Talling B and he is hereby appointed deputy treasurer of the Jul Commission one-year term expiring December 31st, 2026. All in favor? I
>> opposed. Okay. Now we resolution a nomination of secretary I nominate uh Jeannie Tower. >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed.
>> No. Any other nominations? A motion to close the nominations. >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Great. be it resolved by the delay commission that Genie Tower B and she is
hereby appointed secretary of the delay commission for a one-year term expiring December 31st, 2026. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Okay. I am going to administer the oaths
of all officers. You let everybody that way you can sign it when you're done. Everyone here's chairman there should be one should say vice chairman >> treasure this is deputy treasure
>> do I go backwards is that true >> 26th just do not date >> no you're fine I'll take this one okay everybody raise your hands I have a vible here >> we stand up >> yes
>> I I don't think I don't know if you can see as if you can try and read along. >> I'll follow along. >> Okay. I state your name. >> I don't tour. >> Do you solemnly swear >> Do solemnly swear >> that I support the Constitution of the
United States. >> I support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. the Constitution of the State of New Jersey that I will bear true faith and allegiance that I will bear true faith and allegiance do the same and to
the governments and to the government >> established in the United States and in this state >> established in the United States and this state >> under the authority of the people >> under the authority of the people. I do further solemnly swear >> I do further solemnly swear
>> that I will faithfully >> that I will faithfully >> and partially >> justly perform all of the duties of >> justly and perform all the duties of the secretary of the DA commission. >> According to the best of my ability
>> according to the best of my ability. >> So help me God. >> So help me God. >> Yes. I just signatures over there and then I'll Okay. Our next >> day. Do I do 1st of January? What do I do? >> Uh, you sign there. You can put today's date.
>> Okay. >> Um, >> 16th >> 15. >> 15. >> We have a resolution to appoint our CFO. We have Ricky Garts as our CFO for the next year
for $7,800. Someone please offer interers. >> Second allers. >> Be it resolved that uh now therefore be it resolved that the jail commission for that the clerk and chairman BNA are hereby authorized and directed to engage
in services of Richard Garts as CFO for the Gate Commission for the year 2026 at the rate of $7,800 annually. Alan Hurst. >> Yes. >> Aspberry Park. Yes. >> Interlac. >> Yes. >> Worber. >> Yes. >> And Ocean.
>> Yes. >> A resolution to appoint an attorney. >> We're going to be appointing Paul Fernola Esquire to be our attorney for the year not to exceed $33,000. Someone please offer.
>> I'll second. >> Second. >> Second. >> Now. Therefore, be it resolved by the DA commission that the clerk and chairman B and they are hereby authorized and directed to engage the services of Paul B. Fernola Espire as attorney for the DA
commission for the year 2026 at the rate of 250 per meeting and 150 per hour and for other commission business and litigation at a cost not to exceed $3,000. Alenhurst, >> yes. >> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> Inter Lake,
>> yes. >> Lock Arbor, >> yes. and Ocean. >> Yes. >> I have a resolution to appoint the engineer >> Peter Abakian and the firm of
the PE and the firm of Leonakian two not to exceed $8,500 for general engineer inter second. I'll second. >> Okay. Now or be it resolved by the DA commission that the clerk and chairman me and they are hereby authorized and
directed to engage the services of Lyanna Svaki and Incis commission chairman for the year 2026 at the same hourly rate presently towards the commission in accordance with the contract on file with the commission clerk at a cost not to exceed 8500 a year. Alenhurst, >> yes.
>> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> Inter Lakeen, >> yes. >> Lock Garber, >> yes. and ocean >> I guess. >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. >> Our other favorite one >> to appoint an environmental consultant.
>> We have Dr. Steven Soua and of Clean Waters Consulting Services. >> I'll make a motion to appoint Steve Souza. >> Second. >> Now therefore, be it resolved by the Gail Lake Commission that the clerk and chairman B and they are hereby authorized and directed to engage the
services of Dr. Steven Souza of Clean Waters Consulting Services as environmental consultant for the year 2026 as the same hourly rate presently charged the commission in accordance with the contract on file with the commission clerk and a cost not to exceed $7,000. Alan Hurst,
>> yes. >> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> Inter Garber, >> yes. >> And Ocean, >> yes. >> You have a resolution. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> How are you feeling? I heard you put in
for a raise, but >> Nikki denied you >> medical you medical insurance. >> We have a resolution appointing environmental consultant for special projects. We'll do Princeton Hydra. >> Yeah.
>> Inc. Someone please offer >> move. >> Second. Now therefore, be it resolved that the agile commission that clerk and chairman BNA are hereby authorized and directed to engage the services of Princeton Hydro Inc. as an environmental consultant for special projects for the
year 2026 at the same hourly rate presently charged the commission. Alenhurst, >> yes. >> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> In July, >> yes. >> L Garber, >> yes. >> And Ocean, >> yes. >> We have a resolution to establish the official newspapers of the DA
commission. We use the coaster and the Asbury Park Press. I just want to mention there's a new um law in effect that starts March 1st, 2026, but I'm going to start doing it now. We have to put all our legal notices on our
website. So, I'm going to be setting that up with our web master just it'll just say on our front page public notices and advertisements >> and they'll be able to go there. I still have to >> We don't notice in the newspaper anymore. >> Mhm. Well, we until until March 1st.
>> Right. Right. >> Will be >> the notices aren't going to be in the paper anymore. >> Correct. >> After March 1st. >> Yeah, I know. That was quite a >> If you read the coaster, the public notices, it's been in the public notices in the coaster. >> Yeah. >> All these going to bankrupt the park
press. >> I just feel bad for everybody. I feel >> the only place they make money anymore. >> And the little papers. >> Why they do that? >> Cuz the governor sent the law. >> Harvey pass the law. Somebody complained to them how things work.
>> So until March 1st, we >> make a donation to them to replace the D commission. Thank you. >> We got to keep moving. >> But anyway, we're going to starting March 1st, we have to start putting it on our website, >> right? >> But I'm going to practice.
>> It no longer be in a paper, >> right? >> I know. I know. I know. >> Doesn't seem right. And what if people don't have a computer? >> Hey, you know, they said you got to figure it out. are going to be >> you have an website. >> Jesse, as an example, what legal notices
would you >> would you normally put on the p in the paper? >> Anything when we appoint someone? Our meet like our meeting notes, a lot of the meeting tonight. I have notices, any contracts, >> planning board applications and approvals. >> Yeah. >> The bid specs, everything will be on.
>> Open up the coaster. You can see it all. Some towns publish their entire ordinance. They don't do it by title. >> No, we do which is silly. >> They publish it or you have to do both. >> Okay. >> It's going to be I feel bad for this >> and today's coaster. You were all you
were all up. >> All right. So, yeah. So, we'll we'll talk about how that's going to be set up on the website. Kenny, >> Jesse. >> Yep. That'll be perfect. So, someone please offer the newspapers >> offer. Okay.
>> Second. Second Elray Park. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> going back. Any towns are any towns doing it now that we can use as an example? >> I am >> doing what? >> We're put we're posting them on our website already. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. Cool. >> We haven't put it on putting them on tomorrow. But I did >> I have to send a special little blurb to the Aspberry Park Press because they have an online thing. But then I'm still going to post all this in the coaster, but I'm going to practice. I like so
that we're ready to go. And it not only goes to our website, it will also go to the state's website, but they're not ready yet. >> Why would they be ready? >> They have to be ready by March first. >> An additional list for
>> Yeah. Okay. So, we'll we'll we'll have to talk about that and how they're going to be >> where people will find them. >> Yeah. It has to be right on the homepage when they click on it. Like, you know how we have on the top? >> Yeah. >> Be right in. That's perfect.
>> Yeah. But okay, we'll talk about it. >> We'll talk about it. A resolution to set the meeting schedule. Did everybody look at the dates? >> I got the I got the check. >> Yes, >> the only one that we didn't do anything was July. I got the >> Okay.
>> 16th. >> Well, Don said he had a problem with this >> July. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's going to be the 23rd. >> No, that you said you had a >> Where's my >> The only one I asked for. >> Okay. So, would What did you want to >> 23rd?
>> Is that the third? Third. >> I can't do it. >> So, fourth. >> I can't do it. >> Fifth. How about the 30th? >> I can do the 30th. >> We'll do the 30th. Is everybody okay with too late for uh the D because our project completion date is the first and
the submission date is the 31st. >> You want to I can't do the >> if we don't return the funds. >> Want to do the it's >> July 2nd. >> July 2nd or do we have to be a Thursday? You want to do another day of the week? >> Leave it open. >> Can we do another day?
>> I could do the 22nd. I mean maybe >> I can't >> No, >> just a note. There's no video coming out of the meeting >> now. >> Right now. >> There's no what? >> No video. It's just your name on
>> Don Broco. It only shows It doesn't show you, Don. >> Hold on. How about now? >> That's all right. >> Is that a bad thing? >> Camera. You don't see the camera? I'm sorry. >> No, we don't see you. Your video's off.
>> Hold on. like you got it. >> There it is. Okay, good. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, with July, >> so you missed July, Carol handle the meeting. >> I'll help you.
>> Margo and I will help. >> I can't I can't come. I definitely can't come. >> Well, what's wrong with Is July 2nd no good for everybody or >> I'm okay with July 2nd? >> I'm okay with July 2nd. Maybe we do have to do July second, right?
>> Yeah. We might be locked in to do that. Yeah. Right. Because all the >> Maybe the earlier the better in July. >> On July. Yeah. >> Everyone go with July. >> We got deadlines. >> Yeah. Okay. Let's do July 2nd. >> Okay. Got it. >> Okay. So, it'll be February 19th, March
19th, April 16th, May 14th, June 18th, July 2nd, August, >> December. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. August 20th, September 17th, October 15th, and December 3rd with our reorg meeting January 21st, 2027. O
>> yes. Okay. >> Okay. Um, someone please offer the meeting schedule for 2026. >> I'll offer Aspbury Park. >> I'll second. >> Second. Thank you. All in favor? >> Opposed? Okay.
>> Now we have still going >> a resolution to establish the cash management plan for the daily commission. Someone please offer >> like an offer. >> Second. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. a resolution to appoint the web master I'm sorry the workshop did you >> that under new business >> got it
>> the resolution to appoint our web master Ken >> yay so moved >> second >> second >> all in favor I >> oppose okay and then
>> you're welcome welcome back. >> Good to have you. >> Resolution to approve the minutes of the regular meeting from December 4th, 2025. Ellen Hurst, I'm sorry you can't vote. >> Someone please offer. >> Oh, I Jesse, there are two just one
thing I wanted to point out in typos on page. >> You talk about the minutes, right? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Page >> page three uh has two typos. >> Oh, thank you. >> Yes. So, if you scroll down, you'll see where it says um
>> check it. Um I'll tell you in a second. I have >> under old business, Genie. >> Yes. Under old business. Uh well, also under new regular meeting DL subtotal should be to O T A L. There's one. That's one subtotal grants.
>> Hold on one second. >> Oh, I see it. >> You see it says >> I see it. Yep, I see it. Thank you very much. >> And then further down where it says Dr. Souza Commission environmental consultant said a memo was sent to memo was sent. So >> okay,
thank you very much. That's >> that is great because spellch check does not pick that up and I really appreciate that. Thank you. >> Yeah, you're welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay, so I offer the the minutes to be
approved with those two corrections. >> Thank you. Carol offered to second. >> Okay. AP and Julan. All in favor? >> I >> I oppose. Okay. Tonight we have a resolution to approve the treasures report and paid
bills. >> Okay. >> Morgan, do you have >> Are you ready? >> Total deposit 30 uh $13,14. Total receipts $12,816.32. Total dis dispersements for approval uh
today $7,55.33. Total on deposit $138,364.90. >> Perfect. Someone please offer the treasures report and pay bills. >> I second. Second >> Alenhurst. >> Yes. >> Aspberry Park.
>> Yes. I just have one question, Jesse. Sure. >> Um is there a problem with the um item I submitted a number of months ago to get paid for? >> I sent you I sent you an um an email. Did you see last week that we can't download the receipt?
>> Oh, no. I didn't see it, but I I'll look for it. >> Okay. Please. And that way we can get it paid. And I think I sent it to you once before that we just can't download. It just comes out weird all blown up in half a thingy. >> Is it a photo? It happens.
>> I don't know. >> Okay, I'll look for it. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, Lincoln, yes. L Arbor, yes. And Ocean, >> yes. >> Okay. into new old business. But
>> old old business, >> old business is new business and monkey business. Okay, >> I'm going to do the first one first. I'm going to do the second one first. Shoreline protection. Danny, you want to talk about that because I know you have some correspondences been going.
>> Oh, yeah. Um, we had requested uh a meeting again with the NJ and they are willing to do it. They're just trying to find a date and Don asked if we could change the date to we had something around January last week in
January, but that doesn't work. So, she's now looking to set something up for a meeting in February, and that would be with Don. This is the enforcement piece. The enforcement people from NJD would be with Don, um Dr. Soua, and myself to attend a meeting
with the same people we met with um in June of I can't make it. I mean, if if that's your only day, I the first week in February, I'm I'm I'm out of town. So, >> the first week >> first week and I think the second week and that's the third week I'll probably
be out of >> February. Are you talking about? >> Yes. Correct. >> Okay. Because you didn't say that and I replied saying we'll be looking for a date in February. So, so when is it then, Don? What am I going to tell her? >> The end of February. I can make it. I
mean, >> end of February. >> End of February. I'll be in Florida one week and few weeks in. >> All right. Because you said the end of January and your email. But >> did I say that? >> Yeah. >> I'm in New Hampshire that week. Sorry.
>> Okay. So, I'm going to ask her for something. After what date in February? >> Hey, Jeanie. Wait a minute. I'm I'm gonna be away the last week in February. >> I'm thinking March. March.
>> So, all right. Well, remember you you were saying you wanted January. You really wanted something right away. So, so now we're into March. That's okay. I just want to tell her. >> So, by the way, February the 18th to the 25th of February.
>> Okay. Well, if those poor folks don't get any support from the new commissioner, they're they're kind of useless anyway. I mean they they can but they need more money and they've told us us that many many times and maybe they should take
money some money out of the the funds of the >> let's move on >> the project folks and move it over to the budget folks so I can give >> all right I'm just trying right could we just stay on this stay on point >> what dates are not when when are you
okay in March Steve and or when when are you okay in March Hold on. Um, March I'm pretty open, but the I'm teaching on the 19th and the 20th and the 24th. That's it.
>> Okay. So, those three days are not good for you. Is it Wednesdays mornings still are no good for you? >> Nope. I'm not teaching at Temple this year. So, that's >> Okay. So, just the 19th, 20th, and 24th. And Don, when are you back? In March.
>> I'm looking around. It looks like a good month. I'm home and I'm going to No trips. Just have to get my beach application in March 1st. Okay. Acceptance. Anyway, I'm good. >> So, anytime in March and All right, >> March.
>> All right. I'll give an update to her on those dates. >> Thanks, J. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. Um, our CV more grant has been locked in in quicksand ever since the last meeting. Uh we've had
Pin Gilpal Martin Mars Donan assemblywoman and their staff working working extremely hard to try to break loose the log jam that we have. Um the DP is not budging. Um we do have a new
commissioner coming in, but we also have to have to move out in a maybe a different direction. And uh I'm not happy about anything. What did you like? >> Peter's doing his best job and and Steve got together. They're going to propose a
plan right now that we're all going to listen to and then we'll talk about it. Pete. >> All right. >> I don't know how easy it is for Steve to participate now. But the first thing we wanted to talk about was just so everyone understood the rationale that D
used to um reject the previously approved plan that we've been designing. >> They reject it. They stopped what? Well, >> right. They rejected it. >> What? >> Let's critical to get the right word. >> They rejected it. We submitted and they
rejected it. >> At first, they accepted. >> Correct. >> They never accepted it. >> They gave us approval for our grant application. In the grant application, we included the vortex devices that have been used by my office overseeing it um
29 times in the last 10 years. We used 19 of them in Wall, Spring Lake, Spring Lake, Heights, Belle through the county of Mammoth. We used five in Neptune Township and Ocean Grove. And the commission has used five, the most recent ones on Memorial Drive and Grand
Avenue. >> Right. >> All approved by D under their regulations and guidelines. All approved after they adopted best management practices for us to follow in their storm water regulations. So
submitted the application, got it approved. They gave us money, said you have to submit the plans, do it faster. We've been talking about it forever here. Submitted, went over it with everybody using the vortex units. They're a specific unit that we like
because they're shallower, so you don't have to go down into the water table. They can be put offline of the storm drainage pipe. So the storm drain comes down, goes into this unit, goes through it, goes back in and then in this particular instance could go back into
the structures that were there already. So we really have two ways to treat the water and um tremendously easy to maintain and uh manage um but it was rejected. So I wasn't involved in the
discussions with D. Don and Steve were. Um Dave Howard from my office was a couple times. Um >> they asked us to redesign a project utilizing the approved uh manufactured treatment devices MTDs in um the D
regulations. They have a list of them. Drive himself crazy if you look at them and go online and pull them up. Steve's done this numerous times. Steve, is it okay if I just proceed with this and then >> Yeah, yeah, go right ahead. Um >> yeah,
>> they require um certified TT TSS removal rate of 80%. They claim the Vortex didn't comply. The real reason I think they want to shake these vendors down, which I can say is because they charge them over $100,000 to get on this list.
So, they're asking somebody that manufactures these devices that are environmentally sensitive and beneficial to pay him, I think, $120,000 to get approved on the D list. I never quite bought into that and I've told them that before and I don't get a response back.
So, the vortex device is not on it. We have to revise the plans. We received an email, Don did on the 14th of January. Hm. Let's see. that's yesterday saying the revised plans have to be submitted
by the 16th of January. Well, wait, that's tomorrow. Or they they can virtually refuse to fund the project. So, uh needless to say, my engineer Dave Howard, who you may know, has been
working on this from the beginning. He went out to the site, he helped devise the locations of these things. He was called for jury duty and he's been out of the office. >> Two office. >> That leaves your prominent engineer. Thank you for reappointing me. If you didn't reappoint it, that's it. You too.
Were you there, too? Did you get both of that aspir case? Oh, man. Anyhow, >> no comment. >> Traumatized. >> Yeah, it was something. So, um, >> I had to take the time really today
because we didn't know until you got the email yesterday and today's the 15th. We had to revise the plans. So, luckily, uh, Steve's very knowledgeable about these things and we've been talking about it since we knew this was coming, but we hadn't designed it. And there are
two options that we looked at to try to accomplish what we needed to do, which is the 80% TSS removal. I'll just hold this up so you can see it. Maybe you want to hold it up so the video can see it. The photo or Steve >> Steve, do you want to put it up on the
screen? He has access. Uh Steve >> if you want >> Steve has screen share. He can put it up on the screen. >> Come on. Just look at the screen there. That's the Filtera box. >> That's right. >> Same device we used in Allenhurst. It's
a basically a chamber. And Steve, if you want to elaborate on this, you can. this chamber with a sediment material in it that um removes particulate. Steve, why don't you do it? It's better for you to do it. >> Yeah, hold on. Um yeah, so anyhow, uh
what Peter's talking about is it's similar to the, you know, it's another subsurface chamber. Okay. Uh unlike the vort, these are filled up with a soil matrix.
uh the soil is what does the majority of the pollutant removal. They can be designed online meaning that every you know every storm the full flow would would pass through that box or they can be designed offline which is the typical
way that it's done and you manage uh the primarily the the runoff from like the one-year event which is still a lot of rain that's 2.75 in over 24 hours. the tree itself. >> Yeah, the tree itself or the vegetation
doesn't really do that much pollutant removal. It's a soil matrix. >> The other option that D would approve uh is called a nutrient separating baffle box. It's very similar to the vort unit.
So again, it's a vated subsurface unit. It's multi-chambered similar to the vorttech but these guys have gone through the process of getting the certification. Again these can be installed online or offline and um you know so they can
manage all the runoff or just a you know a runoff from a given event. So bottom line, those are our two options that we would use in place of the Vorttec unit. And as Peter mentioned, they are they
both show up on DP's list of approved uh green infrastructure MTDs. Okay. Um, we can go through I this is not the time to do it, but we can go through all the uh, you know, the ins and outs of why what we submitted was
conforming to D's requirements and how the RFP satisfied all of those requirements, but that's neither here nor there because they're not going to relent. They said, "Nope, we can't use the vortic and that's it." So, those would be the two options. And then
instead of doing rain gardens, uh we'll just do some simple vegetated filter strips. And those are just um grass um you know buffers that don't involve any type of excavation.
Um and uh the reason why we're going in that direction is primarily cost savings. So that uh these these nutrient uh separating baffle boxes and the filter boxes are much more expensive than the vortex units. So in order to
preserve as much funding as possible, that's what we're going to do. We, you know, we won't use the rain gardens. That's okay. And we'll use these vegetated filter strips. They'll just be along the side of the road. Do some curb cuts and allow water to flow through them before they get down to the creek.
I I'll show that because I have a plan here. Steve, >> I got a question for Steve. Steve, >> you've seen the amount of flow that that goes through that that mall and we've seen the the current system blow the tops off
>> almost every single storm >> and >> every major storm. How are these gonna >> how are these going to work? Are they going to blow off the the man the three manual covers on top or is there a >> way? Now, we could we could in, you know, use
them as offline systems uh and avoid all of that. Both Peter and I I mean, we've had experience using um you know, myself those baffle boxes as well as the filteras and Peter's installed a number of the filter tree boxes. Um yeah, it
can accommodate that. That's not going to be a problem. We've u we chose that we'll show >> I we'd appreciate it if we can hold questions still after we're done. >> Okay. Sure. >> Yeah. Thank you. The one that we chose for the use of the area that we're
treating is 10 ft wide by 20t long. >> That's a huge manhole chamber. >> It treats over six cubic feet per second which is a greater rate than goes into a drainage inlet. and um the treatment
area um is is uh created for this mall situation. So, let me just briefly go through our options. Um I hate to say this, but the first option is to tell them to shove it return the money. Literally my first
thought when they pushed so hard, it's one person at D that's making this decision who's not the chairman of anything, but he's in the stormwater review um position. And I'll give you his name and phone number and email if you want, so you can
give him your thoughts as well. But he won't budge. He won't find when we talked to him, when Steve talked to him, when Steve gave him the criteria that we used to develop the grant application. We're completely in in the right here, >> right? Um, >> including the grant application
requirements. Okay, we fulfilled those to the tea. >> So, uh, which brings me to the third option, which is to consider litigation. And there's no way we would lose litigation, but we would possibly lose the grant money because we they would
just say, "Well, litigate your art out because you're going to miss the July 1 construction completion date, so I'm not giving you any money." Um, so it'll be a fight, but it will be an enjoyable fight, more enjoyable than what we're doing now. So, the middle option is consider uh the alternative design,
which we need to submit by tomorrow. So, so everyone knows Steve's doing a project description. I have revised the plan drawings which I'll show you now. We've also done cost action which we'll go through and then Don is going to be required to make the submission tomorrow. So we'll give them that
completed package. >> Is there something that we could put up on the screen Peter so that we could see it? >> These are two of the four um rain gardens that we've had before. They're not going to be rain gardens anymore. They're going to be vegetated buffers.
Flow will come through, as Steve said, it'll go through the wetland vegetation and it'll remove particulate matter from there. The reason we can't do the rain gardens is because their requirement for compliance was remove soil material, do
all kinds of technical analysis to do. It's ridiculous what they're requiring us to do. They're treating us as if we're a major development. We're not a major development. All we're doing is taking 40 acres of paved area and treating it to remove the material that
the vortex devices removed from the storm water discharge. Not recognizing it now. So if you see these two points, that's where the vortex were going offline so we could keep the box that was there, go offline, treat it, go back
into the box, and discharge it. These structures are so large that they have to go online over the existing box. So we have a demolition cost to remove the existing box, a purchase cost to buy these that are more expensive, an installation cost to install them, which
is more expensive, and then a construction cost. So one, two, um, NSB units, they are, as Steve said, they're are nutrient separating baffle boxes. I'll show you the details again. Um,
these are the two that are west of the main access road into the mall. And these are the This is the area east of the main access road into the mall. The first one we can treat. They're so expensive. We can't put in four to meet the grant money. We can
only put in three, but we're going to do two more vegetative. Uh, buck. >> Where's Where's the existing one? the existing >> the existing device that's over on the right. >> It's under this one
>> and over there >> and there's one here. >> Okay. And then there's one over here, I believe. >> So that's right over in that corner. >> Yeah. And then you come around. >> That's right. So, let me just go through the costs very quickly to put in the three uh NSVB
boxes. About $125,000 a piece versus the vortex units. Um I have it here, but it's not that important, but um more expensive. Um remove and dispose the existing structures, put in the
vegetated buffers. about $610,000 for construction of this versus $637,000 of grant money we have allocated for construction. If you did 12 filter boxes,
it works out to be $630,000. It works out to be a little more money. My concern with the filter boxes, I don't know if Steve agrees with me or not because we really didn't talk about it, is that they go in on existing drainage inlets. And if you can just think of them all and you think of the
driveways going in and the parking areas to the east and west, you're going to be putting them with big trees in the sight distance of the vehicles coming in and you're going to create terrible traffic problems there just by putting these devices in. So basically uh the D has
pushed us into a position where you have to make a submission tomorrow. My recommendation is we make this submission with the NSBs will put in a consideration Jesse that we talked about that it's subject to review by u D and
approval. >> Um and then we'll have to go back out to bid. >> Yeah. >> But in order to go back out to bid, you have to reject our existing bid. So that's something >> we have to discuss. >> Those elements are only go in place upon approval of this plan
with the D. >> Yeah, that's what I just said. >> Yeah. So that's really it. That's the there are the options we have and we're rushing simply because the D told us we need to submit the plans by tomorrow or
>> I have a question. Could you what are what are the initials again for the type of device? What I can't what is it that you're saying? >> Okay, you could you could uh Google it and look it up. I have it here and I gave Jesse things that she can send to you. It's called a nutrient separating
baffle box. It's manufactured by Old Castle uh infrastructure. Old Castle does concrete. I used them in Spring Lake at the North End Pavilion. They do uh prefab concrete construction. We did all the the prefab walls for the north end pavilion that were put in along
Ocean Avenue. >> A nutrient separation baffle box. >> Yes, correct. >> It's another MTD. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Steve, may I may I ask a question? >> Sure. >> What is the maintenance on that? >> A little bit
>> compared to a little bit more. Steve knows more than I do. >> Yeah. >> It's not that much different than a vortekch unit. There's a um if you look at that graphic, you'll see there's like sort of like a basket in there that collects a lot of the um leaf litter,
trash, floatables, and stuff like that. But similar to the vortnic, you would pop a few manhole covers and then use a um you know, like a a vacall to vacuum all the material out. I do feel that this is a better option than the filter
uh the uh tree boxes because the the soil media in the tree box needs to be replaced about once every 5 years. That's expensive and then its maintenance is a lot more labor intensive because when you open it up
typically you have to manually rake off like cigarette butts and leaf litter and trash and stuff like that. So I think that you know the combination of the uh intensity of labor and the cost of the replacement of the media far better
going with the baffle box option. >> Right. So that has a manhole on it like the current MTD. >> Thank you. >> If you need >> I I agree. I agree. I mean, I it sounds to me I'm I'm just I don't know anything
about this stuff, but it sounds to me like that is a better option than one that is going to require more maintenance because then we have to figure who's going to do that and where's the money for that soil in the future, >> right? And and the other thing as Peter pointed out, you you know the uh the
baffle boxes are below ground. there's nothing above the ground so you don't have like any kind of like you know traffic visual impairment and you know then what do you plant there and you know all that stuff so the baffle box is definitely the better option
>> right >> do you do we need to vote on this or anything we don't right >> but what we have what we have to do is a resolution rejecting and reauthorizing the receipt of bids for the commission water quality improvements grant in the
deal lakeership. So we have to reject the bids that we already got. Okay. >> And reauthorize it going out to bid >> and they'll be in the time frame. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So another question. Um >> this question for Peter. So in terms of
the proposal, I'm okay with this. This is fine. But pricing wise, can we put a can we build a proposal where we definitely do two and the option for two more each separate unit pricing on these units. Um just in case because we the
ultimate goal is we don't want to mess up what we have going the stream the stream issue right we were working with we don't we don't want to run out of money for that. So, if we can maybe say two for these and then have pricing for the other two um to put them in and also
>> I could do an alternate bid for a unit item. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And >> we can keep the three in because we need to put we need to use the money. We need to spend the money. >> Oh, okay. >> Two, you'll be too low on the grant money. >> Okay. And the other piece is to to to maintain the one that's left. We got to
fix that. There's there's one one or two devices that >> we're not touching the existing units that >> we're not touching. >> Well, here's here's why I'm saying we should >> you're changing the grant agreement and that's not going to get approved by the D. >> No, no, no. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Here's the problem that that that the
mole may have these these units. Dave had in his proposal to fix them so they were secured so the tops weren't popping off. So that was a big deal. He was going to secure those tops. They were going to be redone. Um, so they're maintain they they don't they don't they they're actually a hazard. So we don't
want to be part of that if we're gonna That was part of the deal with the de the mall that we're going to fix those things. >> I was never I know we were fixing them, but So what >> they're not going to be there now. They don't have to be fixed. >> Yeah, they'll be removed. >> But no, not all not all of them are being removed.
>> No, they're all over the mall. They're not just here. >> There's two that I know to >> they're up going up to the north, too. Yeah, talk to Bill. >> So anyway, um all we want to do right now is to comply with the DGP request in
an email to Don, which is really silly to do something like this. >> All right. So Jesse is saying we need to reject the bids and >> reauthorize receipt of bids. >> Reauthorize bids. >> I'll make a motion that we reject the
bids. >> Thank you. And reauthorize. So that's if >> upon upon approval of the project by the DEA >> after we get the the bids back >> then they they approve it, right? >> No, we're submitting the plans tomorrow
asking for their approval of the revised plan. >> This kicks this. >> Please submit the revised plans by the end of the week, January 16th, 2026. >> Okay. So I'm going to put in subject to review and approval by N date. I think that's perfect. Okay.
>> And here's why. If they reject it, we're going to go back to our original plan, keep on moving, and protest again, and maybe su. That's a possibility. >> You'll never get the project done by July 1. >> And then you'll lose the funding. >> But we'll deal with >> Well, that that doesn't matter to me.
>> No. >> No. I to be honest with it's they got to accept this or we're going to have to go back into an original proposal and push it again. Uh thank you Stephen Peter for spending all this time to try and >> you know it's very very frustrating for
us because we know project does we know what the goals were. We know what the agreement was right >> we met the agreement. Steve knows very closely what that we met the terms of the agreement and one person at the EP is objecting to it. One person. >> One person.
>> So management team approved it. I'm sure it's frustrating and I'm I mean we're grateful that you found a solution because as of our last meeting, we weren't sure what if there really was going to be a solution and we'd lose the grant. So, this sounds like at least
there's a chance we'll still have the grant and be able to move forward with not the ideal, but at least you've come up with an adequate solution. It sounds like to me >> Somebody second. >> Thank you, Alan.
Yes. >> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> Gentle again, >> yes. >> Lock Garber, >> yes. >> And Ocean. >> And thank you again. Thanks, Stephen. >> Okay. And just so everyone knows, um, uh, Dodd really didn't want to reject
the bid, and I understand why, but we've spent the last month and a half fighting this fight and not getting anywhere. We had Senator Gopal. We had we had Senator Gopal's uh administrative assistant, Dis Davis, who's my vice chairman of my Neptune planning board. All these
people, this is these are they're they're appointed by the state of New Jersey. >> You know, I've never had a project like this where they were making a mistake, not respond to a political request to lighten up a little bit. You know, you've already approved these that you
you agreed to it in the grant application. Now say no wast I don't even want to look at the amount of time we effectively wasted although you can see but we use the same plans they don't care >> we have insurance now >> so the other thing you know maybe we're
going ahead with this and then afterwards because we need we have timeline maybe after that that would be the time to go back and say hey this cost us a lot of money and a lot of time what can you do and maybe we can get something from from the
>> we're talking about that as a matter of fact. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, so >> we want to do right now is >> Yeah. Right. This is we don't see the >> deal with what we are what we're faced with right now. >> This guy's boss. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> And the boss's boss, >> but the key, right? >> We went all the way through the chain of storm water regulatory people and all the way to the commissioner of D. >> I even gave him warnings that Vin was involved. Yeah. And and I was upfront with him. I said, "Look, we're taking this to a higher level. I just want you guys to know." And it's it's taking two
months. So, it's it's very frustrating. >> It's very frustrating. And right now, the way Peter has it set up if if we don't get this, we have a plan. This plan that we have is ready to go. All we do is tell Tony, "Start digging and if
we get the okay." So, the commissioner, this new D commissioner starts next week and there's another possibility things could change. So, just want to let you know things could change in a week. Just just >> Well, we're dealing with something that's this it's eminent, right? I mean, we really don't have a choice. It's
tomorrow or nothing. >> DP, we're sending an email to DP and said, "Here's our new plan, >> right? >> You on this." >> Okay, >> good. Thank you again. >> And we're going to mandate that they give us a response by next week. And basically in the letter that I've
composed, it says we have to do that because of of the DP's imposed timeline on us. >> And that email that came to me also included all the folks that I included which is bingo pal or Assembly Donan
Marge Donald all those folks are in the email. So they're going to get the respon our responses. So, >> all right. I'll pass. >> What we're gonna have what we're going to have for July 16th is a uh very strongly worded project description from
Steve >> tomorrow. >> Tomorrow January July 16th the project's going to be done. >> Go Steve. will flash drive the revised plan drawings which show the location of the units. Um the the rain gardens being
changed to vegetative vegetative filters uh and the details of these uh boxes. So they'll be done. U the project cost estimate which I had in that handout I had there will be provided to them for
this only and then uh we'll get all that to Don and since the email came to Don from Katherine Schaefer D manager of watershed and land management program.
He will be responding via email with all this information attached. And she was also on the original discussion with the man that put the ax >> Mah, >> right? >> Okay. >> I'm not naming those. >> I am. >> Um, question. Do we know any of these
where they're installed recently? >> Steve does. >> Oh, Steve does. >> Yeah. >> Oh, Steve, you got it. You know where they've been installed? >> Yeah. Yeah. Prison Hydro. I mean, when I was still with Prison Hydro, we installed them at Lake Apaton, Greenwood Lake, and out in out at Harvey's Lake in
Pennsylvania. And they were all funded, you know, again through like three 319 money. >> And I guess they're being they're successfully uh >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> I can't thank Steve enough for his help
>> because it gave great direction and guidance to us for doing this. >> And um I can't thank me enough for taking my entire day today. >> Don't don't forget about Dave. Don't forget last night. I had a meeting last night. I went and I got a text and I
looked at my phone. I saw it was from Dave Howorth and I turned my phone off because when I opened it up it said they called me for he had been on call for jury duty Monday and Tuesday. Didn't have to go yesterday. He was called and he went in all day today. So I couldn't
find some information on his computer >> and I texted him and luckily he texted me back from court. Could you do that? Was that illegal >> or did they frown up? >> It totally depends on where you >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If they can't see you, you're okay. He may have walked out
of the room hidden in the bathroom. >> Hidden in the back of the room. >> They do give you breaks, >> but he we got all the information together. Luckily, um my graphin was there. My care drawer was there that worked on the plan. So, we made the revisions quickly. He did it in like an hour and a half. I couldn't believe it.
Check his bill. Make sure that he This what is what bothers me now. We've spent all this time in the last month and a half, two months, >> huge >> on this revision. Now we're going to have to spend more time to get it out to bid. Uh we're going to ask for
additional funding for I I say engineering and contract administration, but it's more than that. It's engineering, environmental. Steve spent a lot of time contacting D and going through the regs together. >> We'll have to ch we have to change the the budget, I guess, Steve, on the on the proposal. we have cut down on the
that's what we're saying work work the options because if we need more money for engineering and design let's >> and if they say no we may have to go back to our senator and ask listen they're push us into this corner this is where we want to go now >> but I want to be with for the commission
I want to be sure we don't lose the grant money without us wanting to lose the grant money forward this is how we move forward >> that makes perfect sense yeah >> I push I push the button tomorrow before noon. Before noon. >> We'll be ready in the morning.
>> Thank you. >> Say a prayer. That's what I have to say. Say a prayer. >> Fingers crossed. >> Light a candle. >> We're moving on to >> Oh, yeah. >> Any other old business. Okay. New business. New business. Um,
>> what do we got here? Goose. >> Authorizing the DA commission. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. Genie. >> Yeah, the new business. I'm running the meeting. Hold on. >> Okay, >> Jesse's right here with me. I'm looking for her. Please, Jessie. >> Authorizing the delay commission to enter into the cooperative service
agreement with the USDA for 2026 goose management at a cost not to exceed $5,000. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> Allenhurst, >> yes. >> Asbury Park, >> yes. >> Inter
Ocean, >> yes. Next one's gone, right? >> Is that right? That's >> right. Okay. Moving along here. Um, okay. I had an email. I think it was Kin
that sent said it was sent went to a website on storm water management boundaries from uh Jene I think it is from Ruckers University. So um I did respond to her and sent her the the correct maps and all that. She was like slightly off. was she used the
kind of an old map we had the Sunset Lake is not included. So, we corrected that and I I assume she's happy. I didn't get a response back. Um painting the this flume we're not going to talk about. We're going to talk about it next month. I got a proposal to paint that inside that. We need some some
caulking and paint on that building. Uh and I just want to mention uh the birdwalk >> was spectacular. My wife went and friends and and and Robert I >> is he out there? I think he's out there. Rob, good job. And we'll get you on in a couple minutes.
>> Yes. >> Um, but yeah, it was great a great great event and tons of great feedback on that. >> Um, and he took Robert took some great pictures and post them. Genie, I think you might have seen them. They get them on the web. >> Yeah, he sent them to me and I'll send them We're going to post them on our
website, do it on Facebook and send it in the next newsletter. >> Um, other business. We have a workshop meeting next meeting at 6:30. It's going to be the watershed improvement plan meeting. It's going to be from 6:30.
>> Which town? >> For all the uh >> Yeah. any >> anybody that want all the municipalities. >> Stephen, are we sending out a notice to the people we want to attend or is it different? >> Yeah, we should we should talk about who you want. >> We'll do that. The last time we did this
was when the rules were adopted by DP that mandated um municipalities have educational components on an annual basis as a function of their storm water >> wershed um ambassador we should invite too. >> Yeah, right.
>> So when we did that last time we invited members of the governing body, chairman, vice chairman of the planning board, um Director or >> Oh yeah. chief. >> Um, and we got representative from every
town. We had it at Lock Arbor at that time. >> Uh, we'll do it here. >> We might have an outdoor meeting. >> Good. >> But just, you know, and just keep in mind that the the grant does have uh a line item to cover meetings of that
nature. >> Okay. >> Perfect. >> Okay. That's actually a requirement. That's something that was supposed to fulfill anyhow. So we can do that and we'll kill two birds with one stone. >> When is it? >> No, we're not killing birds. We just said nice. >> When when is the date?
>> I use a different I use a different metaphor. >> Our next >> our next meeting February 19th at 6:30 and every municipality will get credit right in their for their storm water. >> Okay. Who's going to do the
presentation? Who? >> Steve. Steve's doing the >> Steven Stephen Meyer from VPN's office. >> Oh, okay. So, could I get that information so I can put it out to the public for us? >> We'll get out. Steve will be sending it
to us. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Steve from Steve Soua or Steve from >> Steve from Peter's office. But I'll I'll provide I'll provide Peter and Steve with some additional information because I'll be away. I won't be >> Oh, okay. I won't be here for that
meeting. >> All right. So, Steve will be sending us information so I'll have something to put on the website. >> Yes. >> And uh send out in our next newsletter. >> And I'm going to be putting it in the paper, too. >> Okay. Thanks, Jesse. >> Can we tell Alenhurst that we we'll make
recommendations for the maintenance and protection of bald eagle nests? >> That is I'm finishing up on my commission last. >> There you go. Was I rest? Yes, it was. kind of >> okay next one >> saw it every day.
>> I have pictures of them. >> Yes, >> it was well documented. That's what it >> You want to see this? >> Well, anyway, >> they're on They're on the tower, right? >> Not anymore. >> No, there's no tower. >> There's no >> Where you
were? >> They're in your backyard now. Probably. They might be in your backyard. >> Oh, yeah. >> All right. We got to go. We got to get moving. We got to get to get moving. Mhm. >> Um, commissioners, last no other new business, correct? >> No, not yet.
>> Any other new business? >> No. Okay, we're moving on. Commissioners Minute, Carol, >> I like this. Perfect timing. >> A minute. >> My last word just concerned two environmental issues that are are fairly recent. And the first was I was away. I
had been watching the bald eagles and I had I've documented many pictures of them on my phone. two of them sitting on top of the tower actively in that nest and I was away and I heard that they had been relocated so that a new tower could go up which
seemed to me seemed absurd. I used to see you remember we talked they were in the nest go take pictures so I I don't understand how that happened. And I was just wondering if anybody had any insight on that. And while you're pondering that, I know a lot of my neighbors are all talking about the pile
driving going on at Bledo. Things are shaking. The pounding never stops. I'm at work all day, nowhere around here, so I don't experience it. But I started thinking about if I'm if people my neighbors are feeling it in their houses. What about the fish and all the creatures in the lake? What are they
feeling? >> Does anybody know? Does Stephen know Steve? Soua. that is some that is a documented impact. I mean that's one of the big concerns they have with you know some of the wind uh farm installations you know offshore and you know the those
companies have to do environmental impact statements but yeah >> it's going to be going on for a long time. It's a massive project. >> Hundreds of piles. >> Not the first time it's we've had it happen before. >> Get used to it. There be more stuff
going on. Hopefully it does knock down. >> But the claimed that that um nest was an osprey nest and had no impact on the bald eagles that were living there. >> They were living there >> totally. They also had a plan. They also presented a plan to D for replacement of
that nest in another location in the back. So that that's that's what they're they have a plan to put another nest. A >> little late now. No, they had it was already documented. >> What are the birds waiting for? >> They were already documented. It was an osprey nest and they got approved to do
that. Did they know that eagles were there? They should have. They were there. >> So they have to deal with they said they didn't care. Who was they now? >> D. >> The owner. No, the owners of the building had an environmental consultant that talked to me and they had proposed
to put another nest nearby. He was asking about we permission from us. I said, "No, that's D." So, and he worked with DP. So, >> others can fight that battle. We're not going to fight it here, but >> gross and inappropriate as far as I'm concerned. >> Very much. >> It didn't look good. That's for sure.
>> Real bad. >> Okay. >> After that, you have anything to add? I think we're moving along. I concur. We get a bumps in the road all the time. >> Yes. >> And you have a change of administration
in the the D. I mean, when I wasn't when I had a deal for the FDA, I used to go through similar stuff. >> Yeah. >> And but you know, I was working for L'Oreal and doing quality control at the time and but we had a lot of money and a lot of background and we had a whole
team of lawyers and professionals to go by. We don't have those kind of resources, you know. Me too. >> And I mean, we've actually >> I mean, I would file complaints against the guy not knowing what he was doing. I everything I would do. >> Yeah.
>> Stuff like that. We used to go on and on and on and on. But >> but I think we got to be calm and patient and uh I like the idea about going to his voice to document everything, >> the level. If this guy comes back again, document it a second time and then he's got a file. >> Pretty well, dog. Y.
>> Okay. Thank you. Would you like to hear about last momentum? >> Well, she's public. We're open to the public. Go ahead. >> Wait a minute. What about all the Hold on. >> We're not done. >> We're not done, Margo. >> Um,
I'm exhausted from spending my day. >> I'll say something. >> Oh, okay. >> I'm going to be late. >> Okay. >> Things are very quiet right now in the village. the village the village people village >> the village people are not >> thanks >> riled up right now
>> Jeanie >> um well just two things first again I just want to say thank you to Steve and Peter for working so hard to work out this problem it's just really amazing and and I'm so grateful that you were able to find something that could work
um so thanks and um the other thing is I just wanted to um kind of give everybody a heads up on I've been doing some research on um the goosestoppers, trying to find a vendor and get an estimate to do an application of goosetoppers so
that we might expand the current program that we have in goose remediation to include treatment of areas that were treated once before as kind of a pilot. So, I'm just doing that and I'll come back to you with that. But I I think, you know, we all really are grateful for
what's been happening with the USDA and pleased with the results, but at the same time, we're seeing goose like never before um you know, more every year um in the same areas that were treated years ago successfully. So, um I think
it's something to think about. Not that we would take it on as an expense, but maybe since we had success going to the seven towns, paying for the goose um through the USDA goose addling, nest addling, I'm sorry,
eggling. They may be willing to chip in for some um application of goosetoppers. And I know this just by speaking to, believe it or not, Asbury Park of all places. Um, but anyway, we'll, you know,
it might be something we be able to do um to really expand this goose problem. >> Maybe >> expand into bring down the goose population. >> Thank you, Jean. Um, okay. Now we can open it up. >> Do you have anything to say?
>> I have You know what? I'm very depressed. I'm very depressed. >> Good. That's why I didn't honestly >> I'm depressed about this whole situation. I I I love I love we found a device. We kind of knew we had a device out there. I thought it was Phil Terabox. This looks okay, but you know, it costs more. It's
>> It goes deeper in the ground. It's a bigger device and it's going to cost more money to put in. And I'm just keep my fingers crossed. We can >> There's nothing we can >> The D can approve it quickly since we're giving them exactly what they want. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Um let's open it up to the public. >> Someone open.
>> I second. a second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay, >> who's out there? Bob, Robert. >> Hey. Yep. >> How you doing? >> Doing good. Yep. So, not much more to add. We did our bird walk on Saturday and you know, it was supposed to rain
all day. We were going to cancel till the last second. There was ice on the lake the day before, too. We had a lot of reasons to cancel, but we we went for it and it worked out great. All the Morganas were out there. Um, actually, the two eagles you're all talking about, we did see them also. They're hanging out in the Aspirray Park football field
up on the lights. Um, everyone's really seem we had almost 30 people out there. So, yeah, really happy the results. We'll do another one probably in April when the song bird migration starts. >> So, um, and then the usual paddles, too. So, yeah, all good news. Bob, I was out
to dinner last night with my running friends as I do every Wednesday night and one of the women had gone on the walk and she could not stop talking about it and everybody was making they would talk about comar
>> and they were starting to make the calls but they all want to go on the next walk with you because she couldn't stop talking about it and what a great time it was and how interesting. So great job. >> I appreciate that. >> And they knew none of it. They didn't know I had anything to do with the delay commission or watershed.
>> On channel board news last night, it was a segment on on all these new old old school oldfashioned things, knitting and granny hopping. And I'll tell you, one was bird bird watching. It was great. That's great. I said, >> it's hip now. It's back in bird watching is a thing all of a sudden.
>> Good to be a bird. >> One additional thing on birds. The I was down in Florida. We're taking a walk with my daughter and ran this uh tennis courts and various other things. But they have lights and on the light stansions on top of the light stansions they had bird bird um stands like you
see osprey stands. So uh it was really great to see and maybe we could maybe Jeie could talk to Azri Park >> or an Eagle Scout. >> No no no not not a >> but Park should maybe think about that to take the nest away from the lighting and put it above the lights which would
be a little safer and uh it' be great. >> I think that's a JCP and elf. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is this is lighting on field. >> This is board of education stuff. So, >> oh, the lights on the football field
complaints about >> Yep. Yeah. Anyway, okay, that's it. Um, thank you, Robert. Thank you very much. Anybody else? >> No, that's >> nobody else. >> Melanie's here. >> Oh, Melanie. >> Um, did I hear you say you can schedule
a July meeting for July 2nd? July second. >> Second July. >> Yeah. >> Isn't it like kind of close to Fourth of July weekend? >> Of course. >> And aren't there going to be like some towns that have like fireworks and stuff?
>> Hopefully we won't be a long weekend. >> I don't know. We'll see. >> Just a question. >> Just it was July. >> We might have to change, but right now is there a reason that another date in July isn't >> anybody's away? >> Everybody's away. They could
we can always be honest because of the D grant we have to do it early that's what >> because the grant deadlines we have to have it early in July that's one of the biggest reasons >> and if we have to pick another day of the week we could do that too if things happen >> well
>> July July is a long way off we got some time and second question so when am I going to be able to drive golf balls into the We never wanted to talk about that ever. >> I'm sorry. That was that was the most
ridiculous request. And I'll be honest, the next day I saw a commercial and it had a floating green in a lake and guys were driving golf over. Really? I swear to God, I forgot what it was. >> Yeah. >> Hey, welcome back, Melanie.
>> Okay. >> She's Melanie's trying to do right in front of her. I know. I think I knew who it was, but >> I think I know who it was. Probably one of your neighbors, right? >> Yeah, we know. >> It was in front of your area. >> Really? It was right in front of your neighbor. >> So, report anybody knocking golf balls on Lake?
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem. >> I just I just Do you know who it was? >> No, I do not, but I'm guessing who it So, because it's a fictitious I believe it's a fictitious email, but he the the person that responded right away was when I sent back the notes. Basically,
it was one of the worst things I ever thought. So it seemed >> and she responded to you if >> to everyone's think everyone in our commission now maybe not I sent it I sent it out no no no she's not I hid you guys so his response is back to me I
don't I don't I think I sent it back to all you said here's his response so it's it's there to look for money thanks okay thank you >> is that it public Steve >> Saturday I went on the bird Thank you, Bob, for putting that together. I
thought it was real nice. It definitely brought together the community in a way, and I think watching wildlife in that sense can really helping the lake, you know, staking people's interest in it. So, I think it's a great addition to outreach, you know, for
>> wildlife. By the way, there was a note that was I think it was sent to us. Uh there was an otter site. >> Yes. >> I didn't see the video >> on Edgemont in West Alah. >> I didn't see the video. >> I didn't see the video. >> Not Edgemont. Um, >> I did see the video. It was running a gun >> down a driveway. >> Down a driveway.
>> Yes, it was a river otter. I have >> that was hilarious. >> Oh, >> anyway, thank you. Um, that's it. We're going to close the >> motion to close the public. Nobody else. >> Motion. >> Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion to close. >> All in favor?
>> A motion to close the meeting. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? All right. Thank you.