2025's township committee meeting located here at the municipal building. Roll call, please. Mr. Bartlett here. Mrs. Patrick here. Mr. McFaden here. Mr. is absent. And Miss here. Thank you. Also present, Mrs. Simona, our town administrator. Mr. Fox,
our engineer. Mr. Raymond filling in for our solicitor. Mrs. Lure, municipal clerk. Mrs. Russell, deputy municipal clerk. Mr. Warren, our police chief. Mr. Fenomore, superintendent of public works. Please rise for the flag salute. I aliance to the flag of the United
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proceed in person as an official meeting in accord with the official notice. Thank you. Please take a moment to silence all cell phones. Put them on vibrate and we'll move into our comments and reports um from the professionals. Mr. Fox.
Uh thank you, Mayor. Um on the agenda this evening on discussion items um correspondent from the book um we have the developer of the crossings Dr. Horton has uh requests that we bifrocate the bond. Um and what
that means is that uh what they want to do is they put want to put up a separate bond for the basin and once all the other fun work is done when we develop itself that bond can be released and and the town will take over the road right away. Um so we can talk
about that now or we wait for the discussion item. Oh we can talk about it later. Okay. Um that's the uh 2024 local aid uh grant that is complete. That's the chestnut
and walnut tree paving. Um that um we're waiting for some punches to be done. There's minor punches work that needs to be done and that that project will be closed out. The the um local aid 2024 2024 local aid
uh that's Delaware Avenue repaving project. Um, as you know, we awarded that to Earl Asphalt Company. Um, we're 379,000 since 1313. And we have a pre-construction meeting scheduled for tomorrow,
um, at 2 p.m. And once we have that meeting, um, we'll know the the pendant schedule for the contractor and I can, uh, reply to to everyone by email on what that schedule will be.
We have a October 25th is the 5K run. So, Yep. We have that. And then we also have the the trunk retreat. Yeah. 25th. That's the 25th, too. Okay. Yeah. Heritage's only until December, right? So, we
they may have some punches work to do at that time, but the actual project should be done by by then. The Zebrook Park that is um the punches basically complete and we're still just waiting for the the uh the grass to be
established. Um given the the time of the year that should start to flourish out the grass. So that should come up soon and then we can finalize that project. They were out on Thursday and were doing some seeding and dirt replenishment.
They gave me the key to the box. So they were out there on Thursday doing some stuff. Yep. Exactly. I know you're on top of it, so you know it. Um the
um there's a CDBG grant um team's meeting. I believe we're going to try and get that tomorrow um for the 2025 uh grant. Um, that's the one that that they told us that we were going to get it,
but there's no funds. The federal funds aren't available. So, I don't know what this team meeting is going to bring about, but we can move forward on that. I'm sure that will be for on that as well. Isn't the government closed? What could be an update? I honestly don't know.
Okay. I have no idea. Yeah, they're closed. And, uh, that's all I have at the moment. Um, I did Um there's I believe a discussion item for a street tree and I did take a look at
that. I can give you my opinion on that when that comes up. Okay. Thank you Beverly. Did we hear back from New Jersey American Water? No response. No response.
need to figure out better notifications for these residents on these street closures. They need to need to be made to do it. Huh. They need to be made to do it. I know that's theg has no problem doing it along with and ironically pioneer pipe. They've made notifications to the
residents utilizing telephone polls, cones, as well as going and speaking to them in advance. Yeah. So, they even they usually even call you like I get a call if there's an issue. But we spoke to them Thursday. They clearly stated that they would do a such and they haven't. So,
but yeah, I got about five different emails of doing the hydrant flushing, but no one's heard anything else about anything else. Yeah, you would like to lay a fire under them. I can I can threaten them that I can
I'll shut them down if they don't light an inferno under them. That would be wonderful. Thank you. I I will I tell them to shut down. Yeah, because you have some angry residents, you know, they're knocking on their door at 7 a.m. telling them to move their cars and they have no idea what's going
on. So, not the most ideal situation. Thank you, Harry. You're welcome. Uh, anything from our solicitor's office? Uh, no, we don't have anything. We we do have a comment on the the item that that
Harry mentioned that we'll discuss later, but um other than that, nothing at this time. Thank you, Mr. Raymond. Uh, Miss Samara, township administrator. Um, thank you, mayor. Just a couple summary items of what's on the agenda. Um, we have received $175,000 from
Burlington County Park Development Program for the construction of a playground at Babe Ruth Field. So, that resolution is entering the $175,000 into our budget so that we can start spending it. We have every two years we get a
list of requirements from our insurance company with recommended changes. We have a required handbook and you will see the changes that are being done this year are all in reference to updates to laws. So that's memorializing those changes.
And finally, we have successfully completed negotiations with the police officers with their bargaining agreement. And I think it was a uh fair contract to both sides. And finally, I'm happy to report as far as the run walk that's coming up, the township is
putting together a team. There are 12 employees that are uh are going to be out there run doing the runwalk this year. Good. Great. Yeah. Thank you very much. Department heads, Mr. Fenomore. Yeah. How you doing? Um,
we cut all four, uh, we cut all township properties four times, included the new property that we got out 401. Uh, lined four baseball fields for baseball. Uh, we lined the soccer fields
when they needed them. Uh, we delivered so far eight yards of compost and we'll be starting on getting rid of our god knows how much. We got probably about 2,000 yards of com compost. Um, we trimmed 19 trees that were low
and hanging. I removed three. Uh, the cleanup was pretty good. We had a lot of TVs this year. Uh, we had we took 101 tires.
So, they use that pretty good. And for our final pickup for brush, we picked up 48 cubic yards. That's it. Thank you. Thanks to you and your team for assisting with us getting the fields
ready for the event on Saturday and uh staying through to help clean up. Appreciate that. You guys did a great job. Okay, Mr. Warren. Good evening everyone. For the
month of September, uh we had a total of 13 police cases for a year total yearly total of 187. Uh there were 163 motor vehicle stops for a total of the year 1,633 and there were 38 motor vehicle summons
issued for a total for the year 550. There were 913 calls for service and a total right now for the year is 9,047. So again, getting busy again. Busy month. Yeah, absolutely. Um, other than that, that's all I have.
Thank you very much. No, no problem. Anybody have anything they'd like to ask before we move on to public comment? Okay. Rules governing uh public comment period in accord with and subject to the provisions of the open public meetings
act and JSA 10 col4-12 at seek. During general public comment periods, the Deleno Township Committee is permitted to institute reasonable rules and regulations to allow for a smooth process and ensure a reasonable opportunity to be heard. Calling out from the audience out of one time that the microphone is disruptive to the person speaking at the mic and to the
committee speaking from the de and will not be permitted. Each speaker will have five minutes to speak maximum and should limit their comments to the matter at hand. The speaker will be directed to conclude their remarks once the time has expired. No time may be yielded to another speaker. Groups are asked to select a spokesperson to speak on their
behalf. Speakers will address the committee from the podium and are asked to begin their remarks with their name and address. Committee members are not obligated to answer impromptu questions or address remarks from the public during the public comment period. They should expect the township to committee for to refrain from engaging in a dialogue except to the extent necessary
to clarify the speaker's comments. The allotted time for speaking from the podium is a method to address the committee during the public comment period. Township committee will not entertain questions or comments called out from the audience during public comment or at any other time. Speakers and members of the public should at all times maintain proper decorum and shall
make their remarks in a civil manner. Personal attacks, obscinity, or derogatory or slanderous remarks will not be tolerated. Uh meeting is now open to the public for session one on agenda items only. If you'd like to speak about anything that is on the agenda, please come to the podium and state your name
and address. Seeing none, it will close session one to the public and move on to our special discussion discussion item tonight on the future development of 401 Creek Road. So, this is our second public input session regarding the future of the property that we purchased. So, if
you'd like to make any comments or suggestions on the future, please come up to the podium and state your name and address. And just a reminder, you do have five minutes. Hi. Hi, Bill 304 Center Avenue. Let's pull the mic up to you. There you go.
Bill Matt Lavage 304 Center Avenue. I was thinking about possibly reserving a few acres for a green burial ground. Green cemetery. Did you say green burial ground? Yes. What is that?
It's a It's a cemetery that prohibits faults and embombed bodies. Huh. Closest one is in Balakinwood, Laurel Hill. It's very nice. It's natural setting. This would be amenable
to redevelopment of the property as open space and allow some economic development as well. Okay. Well, we'll add that to the list. Matt, could you write that down for us? I did. Matt's taking notes for us. It wouldn't have to be all the property, just a few acres of it.
Gotcha. Okay. Thanks, Bill. Anyone else public comment on 401? Mark Perry, 32 ships way. Just pull that mic down. There you go. Say that one more time.
Mark Mark Perry, 32 ships way. Mark Perry. Got it. I read the minutes from the last meeting. And uh couple questions I have
is one of the suggestions was a assisted living p uh facility. My question is, does the uh township
have that big a need uh to have an assisted living a living facility here versus the the number of assisted livingings
that are already and If you if you uh converted to that, wouldn't that be a major expense to convert it to assisted living?
Well, it would be a developer that would buy the property and then build on it. So, we would So, you would resell it? Yes. We're not in the development business. And as far as my opinion, reading the
the rest of the minutes from the first meeting is uh that I believe that that the best way is to keep it as
an open area for the community rather than resell it again. Uh because uh you got if you resell it, you got have a lot of traffic going in
and out. And that was part of the reason why I understand the township was purchasing so somebody couldn't take it
over and make a a truck repair place. whether it's truck repair or something else, if it develops traffic, you're defeating that purpose. And as far as some of the other
suggestions were concerned, I thought that they were good suggestions whether limited to uh you limited to uh a recreation
or you have all those trees there and you have hiking trails or like somebody suggested, it should be limited just to township residents for something. Uh,
and that's my comment. Okay. Thank you very much. Anyone else? Mr. Bu, Scott Bu, 18 Pennington Court. Uh, I thank John on the way in for the clean up of 401. Uh, that's the best that it's
looked in a very long time and nice and nicely cleaned up. Yeah. Uh, I would like to see the township at least hold on to that part of the property. Uh, used to drive me nuts at Delran. All the money would go into all the equipment and it would
stand outside for nine months a year. So when you've got chippers and you got expensive equipment, it would be nice to get it undercover. So that part in that building, that office can be used for something. Um, yeah. Yeah, and I'd probably like to see something along the line of senior housing of some sort on
the rest of the property. Uh I don't know whether we can get any more out of the county to help in any one way or another, but uh that's kind of the way I'd like to see it. So that's it. Thank you very much. Anyone else? Public comment.
Mr. Weber, Ray Weber, 22 ships. I made the comment last meeting of putting in assisted living type thing in there. The only problem with that is and and Phil knows
this. I have I track a lot of uh calls. Morstown has four retirement communities, assisted living communities. Delran Cintson's got one between 60 and 65% of their EMS calls
are going to those locations. That would be an additional cost to the township if you put in assist of living into that development. That's something else that would have to be taken into consideration. And so, as I said, I track all this stuff and stuff. It's it's just a hobby.
I got strange one, but a hobby. Could be worse. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Gross. Good evening. Uh Charles Gross, 35 Walton Way.
Members of the Deleno Township community, thank you for considering the input of our community. As a registered architect and someone who's experienced in tax credit senior projects, I offer the possibility of what 401 Creek Road can become. With the township's history,
it's not difficult to imagine the transformation of an underdeveloped property into a dignified and welcoming space for our seniors. Those who have spent their t their lives contributing to the fabric of this town can remain close to family and friends and can
easily relo relocate within familiar surroundings. Positioned between the field F field of dreams community park with its beautifully night sensitive lit sport fields nestled along the serene tranquil Rancokus Creek and sharing a border with
a 55 and older older community that can share p picturesque and meticulously kept landscape pocket gardens. 401 Creek Road is positioned at the gateway entrance to Delanco Township, ready to become its new brilliant cornerstone.
By partnering with an established and experienced real estate developer who specializes in tax credit development, Deleno can transform this property into a vibrant agefriendly community for our seniors without burdening the local the local budgets. It's about honoring our
elders with peaceful, affordable, age appropriate living opportunities that allow them to stay close to home, family, friends, and familiar surroundings. It's not the controver controversial family housing, which we understand can generate apprehensions.
The beauty of this type of partnership lies in its efficiency and fiscal responsibility. Through federal and tax and state tax credit programs, this property can be revitalized without straining the local budget resources. In
addition, adaptive reuse of existing structures on the property can mean unlocking funds that would otherwise not be uh available in the complex application process which projects like this are necessary to compete in. Thank you for considering the vision that
honors both the past and the future. And it should also be noted that from future planning standpoint, a project like this can take uh unlock funding and support for additional grants, public and private partnerships, and offer um uh
the attraction of additional investment and resources. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, Mr. Chris. Before you sit, um would a developer like that be looking for any kind of pilot type program to invest in Delanco? you think?
So I I believe there are programs like that that are required as far as their application, but again each pilot program is developed individually within the confines of how the program is going to be run. So again what the what the
aspects of the pilot are um can be negotiated with the developer to meet the requirements of the application. But again with an experienced developer I think you know it's worth I believe the opportunity to discuss something with them. Okay. Yeah. Thank you very much.
You're welcome. Anyone else? Mr. Cooper. Evening. Gary Cooper 3s Avenue. I still believe that the developments either whether it's senior citizens or condos
or other homes is going to put more of a burden on our already stressed emergency services. It's going to be a problem. Thank you. Anyone else? Going once, going twice. I'll close the
uh input session on 41. Thank you all for your comments. Um, as we stated before, we'll uh take all them into consideration as we move forward with uh the future of this property and uh thank you very much for all the well
thoughtout words. So, we'll move on to our consent agenda items. Consent agenda items are considered to be routine or will be enacted with a single motion. Any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda. All consent agenda items will be reflected in full in the minutes. Anybody have
anything they needed to remove from the consent agenda? No, I'm good. Okay. Resolution 2025-142, resolution requesting approval of items of revenue and appropriation into the 2025 municipal budget pursuant to NJSA4A 4-87.
Resolution 2025143 resolution adopting amendments to personnel policies and procedures. Resolution 144 authorizing execution of collective bargaining agreement Deleno Police Association proven of bills in the amount of 1,263,854.30
as per the bill list run date 10325. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda, please? So moved. Second. Uh motion by Matt, second by Kate. Roll call, please. Mr. Parlet, yes. Mrs. Patrick,
yes. Mr. Mc, yes. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to our uh discussion from last meeting, the appeal of the two Shade Tree decision requests. Um 210 Peace Tree Lane and 41
Emory Way. So, I think we all uh looked into these properties a little bit more after our last meeting. And did anybody want to talk about either one before we move on to our decision? Um, this is just for this committee,
right? Not open this up to the public again. Um, for 210 Peach Tree, I did uh reread our ordinance and um also ask our engineer to take a look at the property regarding the utilities.
And our ordinance states that a small tree utility should be six feet from the tree for a medium tree 12 feet and for a large tree I think it was 18 ft so that's why I asked Harry to look and I
also circulated Doug Weller's uh response that he had suggested it because John Brown had asked him to take a look at the property so Harry do you want to comment I had asked Harry to take a look at property as well.
Um, sure, Kate. Um, I would consider this an alium tree. Um, and as you stay at the ordinance does say 12 for utilities. Generally, that is the most concern is your sewer lateral, the roots. In this
case, you actually have a a gas man that's about three feet away from the tree. Um, and then there's a sewer lateral that's probably about five or six feet from from the tree. There's evidence where and from what I understand the lateral
was was replaced at one time with PVC. Um and there's evidence that the tree root disturbed the cleanout at some point in time. Someone cut the root and prepared the cleanout. Um the roots are
shallow. I I I if from just from an engineering standpoint and and I'm not a tree expert at all just for infrastructural reasons I would have a concern about the achievements that's affecting this this lateral and and possibly the gas man but
probably not okay thank you Harry thank you I'm just going to read Mr. Weller's uh email into the record uh it was dated April 23rd 2025 and just for the audience Mr. Weller is uh in charge of our sewer authority.
She's the executive director. Yes. Thank you. Um this is from Brandy to Jessica who is a shade tree uh secretary. Mr. Brown requested that Doug Weller check out the property at 210 Peach Tree Lane for a tree issue. Doug recommends that the tree be removed as
they are causing issues with the silver lines and could cause problems with the gas and water service if not taken care of. And I've attached the pictures that Doug sent me this morning. So, she attached two photos that everybody was sent. Those photos, he's just pointing
out the sewer cleanout and the roots close proximity to it, but we could all see that when we went out there. So, okay. So, regarding 210 Peach Tree Lane, um Matt, did you want to add anything? Um, I'll give my comments when I vote.
Okay. Phil, when was the route cut and the clean out put in? Do you Does anybody know exactly when that was done? The sewer line was put in 95. Yeah, the clean out. The replace cleanout.
Yeah, the clean out. We don't know the previous owner. Okay. Um, we'll say was in the last 10 years. Do we do we want to let her in? We can come up and just answer that question for us and just state your name and address.
Mary Makura 210 Beach Tree Lane. The uh um the issue was addressed in 2024. That's when the uh route was cut and the uh uh pipe was uh uh cleared out of the roots that are inside the pipe.
Is that why you own the property? No, it was before you just bought it, right? Okay, great. Thank you very much. So, 2024. Okay, that's what I was just trying to figure out if the root was going to grow back
in or not. And um if it was done 10 years ago, I could see it, but Okay. Okay. So, we'll move on to vote on this appeal. Um, I guess
we have to do that by motion. How do you want to do that or just vote? I would I can't remember how we did that. Maybe Steve would disagree, but I would do a motion to either um
accept the appeal or reject the appeal. Um, right. I think that a roll call. That's probably the way to do it because the the appeal is before you. So, just similar to to a a application before a land use board, someone should make a motion to either grant the appeal or
deny the appeal and then a roll call vote on on that that appeal. Um, it's probably easiest just for clarity to have the motion be made in the affirmative and then you can vote yes or no on it. That way, you're it's clear what you're voting for. Yes. Yeses
would be in favor of granting the appeal. No would be in favor of denying the appeal. Uh but but again that's certainly up up to the to the board. Okay. Okay. So can I get a motion to grant the appeal of the shade tree request decision on 210 Peach Tree Lane?
So move. I'll second. Motion by Kate, second by me to grant the appeal. Can I get a roll call vote, please? Mr. Bartwood. And just just for clarity, so the motion was to grant the appeal. Um, so a yes
vote would be in favor of granting the appeal. A no vote would be uh rejecting the appeal. Oh, before we do that, let me just add something about the actual removal. So, I would be in favor of granting the appeal, but having the homeowner remove the tree and not the township. I think
that's kind of important part of this whole thing. Um, yeah, since the sha tree funds are limited, certainly wouldn't be taken down this year and budget. They're trying to um replant some trees in areas where they
can plant the right tree in the right place. So the tree would not be able to be taken down from the township in the next year or two. So the um so that would be the stipulation in granting the appeal that the homeowner has the right
to take it down. So, uh, I'll revise my our motion to reflect the appeal be granted at the cost of the homeowner to take down the tree. So, Kate, do you want to make that motion? Yes. And I'll second that. I will amend that motion. Can we do
that, Janice? Amend it. So, it's a motion to grant the appeal condition upon the homeowner remove the tree at homeowner's expense. Correct. So, then roll call, please. Mr. Bartlett,
this one's a this one's a tough one. Usually I'm the first one to show throw shaitra under the bus saying they deny everything. They deny everything. This particular one, the homeowner, obviously was the previous homeowner,
requested the tree go in at this location. And based on looking at um street photos from Google in 2012, I believe it was last updated, it looked like it was placed maybe a year or two before that. The sewer line was placed
in 1995. The homeowner knew where they were putting this tree. I get it's not the current homeowner, and I also respect Mr. Weller's opinion as the sewer authority. However, as Harry noted, these are shallow roots.
It's not going to affect the lateral 3ft, 4 foot below, whatever the burial depth is. I understand it already uh somehow impacted the cap of the sewer line
there. That's an easy repair because it's right at the ground level. And it was cut already the roots uh about a year ago or so as we were just said. And you could look at it right now and you could see where the roots are
cut probably a good about a foot on either side of it. Um I've heard comments at the last meeting that could be a possible tripping hazard with the shallow roots. The shallow roots are there. You know that's not going to change when the tree
comes up and it's not impacting the walkway that actually gets to the house from the street. Uh for those reasons, I'm voting no. Okay. Thank you. Mrs. Patrick. Uh, yes. Mr. McF
I'm stuck on this one. Uh on one hand our arborist states that when the roots are cut they will regrow. I see Matt's point about their surface
root. Uh that's why my curiosity was when was it cut? Um, I believe if the homeowner is willing to remove it themselves, then I think I will vote yes.
Thank you. And your vote is yes, Mr. Abs. Uh, my vote is yes. Have the homeowner remove it at her cost. Uh, tree should not have been planted where it was planted to begin with. I understand it was the approved species by shade tree,
but we should not be planting street trees where there's utilities. So, the tree should come down at this point. So, my vote was yes. Didn't get that. Does care. Thank you. Moving on to the appeal of 41
Emory Way. Um, anybody have anything they want to talk about for this? Like I mentioned last time I went out there, that sidewalk is raised a good two two and a half inches. It is an imminent trip hazard in multiple locations.
I'm I'm not concerned about where it is relative to the utility. As mentioned, utilities are at a certain depth and you could see that route those roots are up as well. And util and um tree roots seek water. Electric is shouldn't have water. If it does, we
have a bigger issue. But it's it's a trip hazard with that sidewalk the way that is. And if we we're not fixing that sidewalk, that tree needs to come come down so it can be fixed. Any other comments? I I'm only in agreement with Matt, but
my main concern is the gentleman had the sidewalk fixed three or two years ago. Correct. I believe. Sounds about right. Yeah. And then uh he's also now stating that it's uh raising his driveway.
If it was the sidewalk, I'd feel comfortable with saying let the shade tree go ahead and do their replacement program. Uh but I think since it's hitting the driveway, I think I'll have to agree and say yes.
Thank you. So, just a note about the uh pilot program for the sidewalk. That money has been depleted. So, there is no more township money to to do that. I believe that program was established to uh showcase what could be done for homeowners since it is the homeowner's
responsibility to do sidewalks. So, the township is not funding that program anymore. We do still fund the sidewalk reimbursement program, but that was uh a pilot program to show residents how they could uh ramp around the tree roots with the pavers with the PA project. Yes. So, um the
township does not have any money to continue funding that at this time. So, um I know there's still a list, but that's kind of where that stands. So, okay. Any other comments? Otherwise, we'll move to make a motion to approve
the appeal of 41 Emeryway. I'll make that motion. Can someone second, please? Second. Motion by Matt, second by Phil. Roll call, please. Mr. Bart, yes. Mrs. Patrick, yes.
Mr. McFaden, yes. Ms. Yes. Thank you. Okay, so that concludes our uh portion of the shade tree appeals. I hope everyone is
satisfied with that process, which is not a fun process for anyone up here, just so we all know. Um, okay, moving on to correspondence. Any correspondence, Janice? None. Okay, this will be session two meeting
open to the public for comments and questions. Uh meeting is open to talk about anything you'd like. Uh please come to the podium and state your name and address. Yes, my name is Harold Klingler. I live at 509 Butwood Street.
Uh what I'd like to talk about is street cleaning. Um, I live on a corner and uh so I have two streets to clean and I've been keeping up on them for over 30 years.
Uh, but the issue is uh why am I doing that? So I know that we have a street cleaner. Mhm. Uh I know for years there was issue with the old street cleaner that it would
break down all the time and since then we now own I guess half a street cleaner with Beverly which is supposed to be a better street cleaner. Uh I did see it once running around the
town but uh that's about it. It's done quarterly at least. Right, John? Correct. Could you just explain a little bit about that? How often we do that? Well, uh I know where he lives and uh there's a lot of cars. It's always
around that area. I know on Buttonwood Street, but we we hit every street. How of It's quarterly, right? Like we do it at least every other month kind ofish. We probably on our third time. Yeah. So it's required by the state for storm water. Um,
so my my question was uh on that schedule because I had thought I've I've put a lot of thought into this over the years because I have time when I'm out there completing the street to think about it and why it's happening and what's going
on. And uh so I didn't have time to really sit and count how many streets in a Delano there are. And I thought, well, maybe the chief knows how many streets there are in Hawai. No,
but I don't think there's probably not 52 streets. I don't know. Harry, do you know how many streets there are in town? That sound about right? It's got to be 62 streets. Pull up Google Maps to count. It's got to be more than 52, I would think.
62. More than Yeah. Okay. I think John knows. He's a So there's, you know, 52 weeks in a year. And uh I I was thinking there was less than 52, but at that rate I thought,
well, maybe they could come around and do one street a week. It would, you know, on a continuous basis. But then I thought, you know, there's not enough people working at the public works that to to do that or take
care of that where you would see the street cleaner, you know, once once at least once a week somewhere. And uh and then I thought, well, you know, maybe Burlington Avenue is the
biggest problem because Burlington Avenue, you know, as you know, runs all the way from, you know, West Avenue, the tracks all the way down to the bridge and it's all downhill.
And when and there's a lot of crap on Burlington Avenue because of all the traffic on Burlington Avenue that runs through the town, brings all the dirt with it, drops it in Delico as they're going by and it's a lot a lot of
stuff and there's a lot of trees on Burlington Avenue. Uh so there's just Burlington Avenue is just filled with stuff and it's all downhill. And when it rains, every time it rains, all that stuff runs downhill and it hits
all the side streets and and just runs down the side streets. And of course, the one I'm on happens to be at an angle, so it's perfect for that. You know, doesn't have to make a a right hand turn. It just goes right on down.
All the crap comes down there. So I would think that if somehow we could at least get Burlington Avenue done on a regular basis. So that's a county road. So the county
is responsible for street sweeping that road has been hit probably a dozen times. You might not have saw it, but we've hit that constantly because of those sycamore trees all along there. Yeah. Okay. We've hit them at least a dozen
times. more than every any street in town. And the county does it too on top of that. The county just went by last week also. So may maybe they're not doing it enough to count. We're only required. We're only required
four times a year to street to sweep, you know, sweep the streets. But if the street is dirty, we go out. You know, people blow a lot of grass out into the street and that promotes the weed to grow along the the curb. That what are you supposed to do?
No, I understand all that. I'm not saying on a schedule to do get through the whole town. Now, when leaf season comes, we'll probably hit the streets four or five times, right? Because we're cleaning up all the debris from the, you know, leaf. We follow up and we clean up. No towns
do that. We do it, okay? Because all that little stuff, the flakes and stuff, that all goes down into the storm drain and the next thing you know, somebody's calling up the storm drains clogged up. Well, I guess so, right? Because of all the debris, right? And I think, John, isn't the big issue
on um the smaller streets where Mr. like where Mr. Clinger lives, you can't get all those cars off the street at the same time to clean them up. You know, Buttonwood's a narrow street. I I live there a long time. So, I I I think if If if it was a schedule,
yeah, if it was scheduled, did you just like any other time that you schedule something on streets, you you put up the sides and you say no parking on this day because we're going to run up and down the street to to clean it. So, that's something people would have a
problem with. We're working with our new administrator in public works and our subcommittee to actually get a schedule going. It's a bit of a a process. So, it is something we are trying to work on. So, more to come definitely, but we hear you and I appreciate your concerns for sure. Thank you.
You're welcome. Anybody else? Public comment. Mark Perry, 32 ships way. A couple weeks ago, I received a postcard from New Jersey American Water. And I assume that
most of the township received that notice about lead pipes. My question is where could I get information on my house was built 2004,
21 years ago. And uh I want to know where I could get information of what material was used to put in the water and sewer lines uh when those houses were built. Not lead pipe. That's for sure.
Not lead pipe. Not lead pipe. PVC. Yeah. There was no lead. PVC. Not lead pipe. If it was 2004, no lead pipes. So, so I guess that New Jersey uh American
Water just automatically sent out to everybody. Well, that's different. New Jersey American Water's feed pipes are different than what is in your house. How New Jersey American Water gets the water to us is New Jersey American Waters infrastructure. So, that's different. But, but even then, they shouldn't have
been putting lead pipe in in the roads in Newton's Landing. No, but how they get it from the wells to us is a different story. the mailings that they're doing is to have the homeowners and they sent out emails as well to go out um I got it last year to go look in your basement and see what
type of pipe if it if you scratch it with a coin or a nail and it uh I don't know turns a shade of purple or whatever it is uh then you have a lead pipe. Um Harry, when's the last time they installed lead pipes in houses? 70s.
Were you born yet, Harry? Actually, yes. My parents house had lead pipes, believe it or not. Did they probably let paint lead pipes kind of in the My house may have had them. My house is overund years old, but I had all new um I had all new piping put in when I
renovated it. The same thing, but yeah. Yeah, it was that pipes weren't used. Based on that notice made it sound like it was the water sewer line that went from
uh the street to the house, not the pipes within the house. Yes. So from the street to your house is still your responsibility. I I I understand that. But it might have been one of the mailers that they sent out to try to get you to sign up for their extended warranty
where they would cover it if you pay him $10 or $15 a month. They sent out that mailer also. That was separate. Gotcha. I didn't get that. Yeah, I got that last week. Um, and it wouldn't be your sewer pipe. Sewer was never I don't think it's ever been lead pipe. It's PVC currently. Before that,
it was Orangeberg and the terracotta. Wouldn't the uh contractor building their houses. Uh when they uh whoever the contractor
used to put in the the sewer lines and the water line was that New Jersey American water at that time? No, I don't think New Jersey American water puts your piping in. They may come back and put the piping in from the street to the house.
Yeah. When the streets of the house and they're under the same obligation that homeowners are about lit. So, I'm talking about who's responsible. I'm talking about find I don't want to
change them just because I got a notice. You don't need to. You're good. You're fine. I'm confident there is no lead pipe that's serving your property in Newton's Landing. Right. Or any property in Newton's Landing. Right. So there might be lead pipe in some of the rest of the township
depending on how old how many Absolutely. Yeah. But not Newton's Landing. You're good. I don't believe so. You're good. Okay. Thank you, Harry. Can you tell us that we're good? Yes. Thank you. I can I can guarantee you that there's no lead pipes in in New Land.
Okay. There could be inside the house though. No, not News Landing. No, News Landing. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Anybody else? Mr. Kisher, come on up. You don't have lead pipes either.
Uh oh, he has a prepared speech. What? Huh? He's watching the Phillies game, aren't you? On your phone. No, I'm not. Okay. Tim Kishler, 12 hours court. Uh it's been a while since I've been able to attend one of these meetings. So, first
and shoot, I'm sorry. You're good. Couldn't get it to print. Now I can't get it to It's been quite a while since I was able to attend one of these meetings. So, first let me publicly thank Mayor Suz and all but one of her fellow committee members who worked relentlessly to
communicate the benefits of the township purchase of 41 Creek Road to its residents, which ultimately resulted in a majority vote to approve it. Anyone wanting to get a feel for the bullet that we dodged here in Delano need only drive north on Route 130 and look to
their left, just after Obnoxious Antiques and before the Florence, New Jersey Turnpike entrance. There sits United brakes and clutches. a commercial truck repair facility much like the one that Criterion proposed building on the 401 Creek Road site.
Second, I would like to revisit an issue that has previously been addressed but not resolved. This is the challenge of safely making a left-hand turn onto Newton's Landing Boulevard from Emery Way. Some time ago, our chief of police determined this to be the result of
obstructed vision. And at least to some degree, it is. But while it is also clearly more than that, the cause of the of the obstruction was misidentified as the line of bushes that might be overgrown at times which delineate the end of the property in the backyards of
those living on John Maher Way. And this is not the case. Vision is actually obstructed by the row of 10 mature trees which follow the curved edge of the tenth of a mile roadway from the entrance of Newton's landing on the boulevard to the intersection at
McCain's at McKay Way making it extremely difficult to see oncoming vehicles as they travel along the expanse at speeds which may at times exceed the current posted limit of 25 miles per hour. There is currently only one traffic sign that alerts drivers to the almost 50%
reduction in the speed limit for the out of the two 45 mileph roads, Creek Road and County Road 625 that feed into the community. The single black on 25 mph sign stands off to the right nestled beneath and often in the shadow of one
of these trees on Newton's Landing Boulevard a full third of the way between Creek Road and McKay Way. One of my neighbors whom you have come to know insist that if he hangs back far enough he can actually see through or more accurately around this bank of
trees. For some time I did the reverse creeping out further and further into the crosswalk at this intersection. However, recently in an effort to maintain my personal safety and sanity, I've taken to driving around the the block behind my house, making lefts on
Harlo Place and McKayway and turning left onto Newton's Landing Boulevard, a long block further away at the intersection of McKayway, where I can actually see oncoming vehicles after they pass Emeryway. When I last brought this up, this issue
at one of these meetings, I mentioned that Sus and I had previously lived for 20 years in Lumberton's Bobby's Run, and that at one point, the township hired a firm at great expense to perform a traffic calming study at Bobby's Run Boulevard, which runs through that development. Suggestions included the
now popular rotaries and the equally unpopular speed bumps, but in the end, no action was taken. I have however noticed several things recently that have actually been done elsewhere and I have some suggestions I would like to offer this committee all free of charge.
I understand that nothing can be done about the curve in that first 10 tenth of a mile of road under Newton's Landing and I'm not suggesting that any of the 10 trees that line the road be cut down. And my neighbor who I previously mentioned has reminded me that a speed bump is definitely not an allowed
solution. A stop sign on Newton's Landing Boulevard at McKay Way would probably only make matters worse, as it has been my experience that many motorists just don't know who has the right away or when to proceed if there are more than two stop signs at any intersection. But there are still a number of things that
can be done. While traffic signs are usually situated to the driver's right, they can also be placed on the left side of the road, and a single signpost can accept more than one sign on either or both sides. Also, while such signs are usually black on white, they can also be
black on yellow. It's been proven that things that are yellow are easier to see, which is why the color of everything from emergency vehicles to tennis balls has been changed to yellow. And to draw even more attention to black on yellow signs, there are long blackon yellow metal sign tails that can be
placed below them. Newton's Landing is not a private gated community. In addition to those who live there, the streets are open to the vehicles, cars, and trucks alike of those making deliveries or providing services, as well as students just learning to drive. All should be subject to the same speed
limit to prevent damage or injury to property or person. My first suggestion is to attach one or two black on yellow reduced speed ahead signs on the back of one or both of the existing signpost on the end of the median strip just prior to the entrance to Newton's landing. I
would also like to suggest replacing the current single black on white 25 mph speed limit sign with a black on yellow one. The black on yellow metal sign tails could also be attached below as many of these signs as there is sufficient available space to the
ground. Lastly, I would like to recommend that the speed limit that that the speed limit be that the speed be limited, I'm sorry, to 15 miles per hour for all of Newton's Landing as it already currently is in the point townhouse community section. I trust
that at least the majority of our elected township officials will seriously consider these recommendations and take appropriate practical action on behalf of our residents and their safety. implementing these would not would not be costly and they would also not require either the circulation of a
petition or an expensive special election. Thank you. Thank you, Harry. Do you have any comments you'd like to add? Um, yeah. As as far as the the signage,
um the the township is governed by what's called the MUTCD municipal manual control. Manual for uniform manifold. Yeah, they manual from traffic control. Um
that tells what exactly signs can be placed there and the colors of the signs, the shape of the signs, the dimension of signs, everything to a to a te. Um a a a black on yellow traffic sign is not allowed. I can tell you that. Um there are advanced warning
signs that could be put up in black and yellow. Um but certainly not speed limit signs. Um in addition the height of the signs, they have to be 7 ft above ground level. Um, so the the existing poster out
there, what not probably couldn't and I didn't look at it, but probably could not support another sign. They also MTC discourages putting multiple signs on one post as well for clarity reasons. So with regard to the signage, that would
have to be looked at and and and some of the items you mentioned, I I appreciate your thoughts on it and I understand what you're saying, but they're they're just not allowed by by law. Could you look at that intersection when you're in town again, the area he's talking about, and see if if like we
need to trim some bushes or some trees, any kind of sight triangle issues. Exactly. Sight triangle issues are sounds like the biggest problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you could take a look at that and report back to us. Absolutely. Do you have anything? I agree with him. I spoke on that earlier this year. It's the trees. Those
they're right at the almost at the curb line right there. Okay. So, you have to keep inching out. Okay. Okay. Up to the stop sign to look around. What tree trees are you talking about? Those are like they're small like evergreens, right? I guess they're evergreens. The ones that right on the right almost by the curb line. This one you're referring to, right?
I don't know the species, but they're tall. Yeah. Real trees. And then you have it's not the bushes, right? Then you have regular trees that are just hanging over into the street. So I ask could they be either trimmed back? But definitely that's what's obstructing your view. What's the location? I don't understand
where you're Soon as you're coming around to Benjong. As you're coming into Newton's Landing, it's the first it's the first right turn, right? Emmery and Newton's Landing Boulevard. And that first stop sign coming from Emory back on
Emory trying to get out there. It's just hard to see around the island though, right? No. No. That's why, right? Yes,
he's making a left. He sounded like he couldn't see those. He made it sound like it was the carame. Yeah, you're John. We have the map. We'll show you the map when the meeting's over. We'll show you. Okay.
We'll show you the picture. If you can come on up, Ray clarification on that. He'll tell you Ray Weber. Yeah. Ray Weber 22 Ships way at Emery and Newton's Landing Boulevard.
John just trimmed the the tall trees that have been there that are about four feet off to 5t off the line. The trees that Tim is talking about, those evergreens, they are on the homeowner's property, right? Yeah.
And that's where Tim mentioned that I look through I'm the one who looks between the trees because you can see all the way up to Old Creek Road as I will call. Yep. So you can see where So that's how I know what's coming out. But I've learned to do that just because I've had to.
Yeah. But if they're in the sight triangle, they'll be told that they have to be removed. But they're really not in the sight triangle. Well, we'll figure that out. You come around because I know Chief has already looked at that situation and if you come out to the stop sign and you look left, you can see 200 feet down.
They said to come up a little further. Yeah. So, we'll we'll look at it from an engineering standpoint and we'll see what we can do to make it easier. But, I see exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. You shouldn't have to inch out halfway into the intersection to see because it's kind of a bend there. So, it's a little awkward. Yeah. And on the other side, there was
bushes on the other side when you were looking down to the right towards the Newton landing circle. We took those bushes out. Okay, so they're not there anymore. Okay, I see them right here on the area. We No, we have uh three stones and some other real low
bushes there. Great. Okay, we did that. Thank you for the clarification. We'll we'll get back to you, Tim. Anyone else close this second session to the public? and move on to our discussion items. Thank you all for your comments by the
way. Um request for bifurcation of performance bond Dr. Horton for the crossings at Deleno facility. Um does the HOA have any concerns with this? Cindy, do you want to come up?
I'll just want to hear from them before I hear from Have they completed anything? No, you're not done. if you want to hang out here during our discussion too. I missed your pretty face. Where you been? Very sweet. Pull your microphone down.
Cindy Hedman 70 Walton Wang. There you go. Thanks. So, um, my concern is I want them to be held account our we want them to be held accountable for everything, right? So, I think that we the last we spoke with you, Harry, you said there was a chance that this may happen that they may want
to separate the bonds and keep the basin separate. Um, but they still haven't done any of the other work that they said they were going to do. So, I just want to make sure that separating the bonds is totally independent and we're still going to require them to complete what they need to complete because
nothing has been done since we spoke. Yeah. Which is interesting. They they they sent me an email telling me that they did finish that, but I haven't looked at it or has I expect to look at it yet. I was out of town for a few days last week, but normally our residents tell me everything.
I have not heard anything that any work has taken place. Chuck, do you know of any work that I'm not aware of? No, I'm not. So, the bond would So, the bond won't be released until they do everything they're supposed to. And when they do
that, that's when we would set up a separate bond for the basins. But not until everything's done, Cindy. Okay. And then you guys have assured us that and you've been great in partners with that and we appreciate But I'm not doing anything that benefits them until they finish this. So can can
council explain what bifurcation does? Yeah. So um the the bifurcation process would uh So first of all, it's it's entirely op until until they've done all the work. Nothing has to be released. So it's so it's optional for the council. Um
I I think that in speaking with Doug prior to this, his recommendation was to because I think there has been some issues out there with some of the work that the Dr. Horton uh has or has not done. There's been a lot of meetings back and forth. So he wanted to get the input of the uh the HOA. It's nice that
we have that tonight. Um but but looks like there's still some questions about that. Um, Doug also thought it was would be important to get uh input from Taylor Design Group to see uh what their recommendations were out and and then I obviously I guess Harry's uh still needs an inspector to get out there and see.
Um, so there there's no there's no real urgency on this. This isn't anything that has to be done tonight. Um, in fact, even if you wanted to do it tonight, we would still have to prepare a resolution and have that on at your next meeting. Um, so I I don't think that there's any any ne necessarily urgency to do this for uh for tonight.
Um, we should If council is thinking about possibly doing this, I think before you you even go down that route, we need to make sure that they've done the work that they've said they were going to do. Uh and then also have um again, uh Taylor Design
Group's input, uh have the input from ERRI and and the and and any inspections that have to be done. Uh and then if if everyone's on board that they've they've done what they had to do, uh then then again, council can can act at at that point. Um, I'm in no rush to do anything for them
because their basins are still a hot mess. Their list is not being done. So, in my mind, I'm not in any rush to bifrocate anything for them. I agree. Yeah, we wouldn't do anything. Thank you. No way. We know we got you. We We appreciate it. They aren't the first developer we've
dealt with these issues. So, we're Harry, could you? We met with Harry on site with with a representative de developer not too long ago and he told Harry he was going to do things and told us he was going to do things and he still hasn't done over. How are these guys still in business if they can't get this little development done? It's amazing
because they're the biggest home builder in the country. It's just crazy. The same thing out at Newton's Landing that went on for years before things. So you can let them know that no bifurcation and to get started on their punch list stuff. It's going to be wintertime soon. Um, and we're not
willing to budge on anything until they start actually have an action plan and doing things. What's the point when we could call their bond and just do it? You don't want heard some groans. That's an ugly process. Do that. Yeah, that's You don't want to do that. We don't have to do that. They do need to get their basin
situation figured out though. Yeah, that's one of the biggest a long time. I think Newton's Landing had to be I don't know. It was over five years at least. Yeah, that's where we're heading. It's five years. Yeah, it was over five years. Yeah. Yeah. And we have to remind them, and I don't know if you want me to do it or if
you will, we'll we'll do it, but we have to remind them that since nothing has been transferred over, if this goes into the winter, they're going to year five. Yeah, they they'll do it because we will not do it. You can remind Corey that if you'd like when it gets colder. Thank you very much.
I'll give you that privilege. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thanks, Cindy. Okay. Anybody else from council committee? We are committee. um have anything they want to talk about, talk, comments? No. Go Philills. No. I mean, the game's almost over at
this point. No reason for executive. Which way? What's that? Phillies. Okay, good. Oh, well, that's fine. For God's sakes. Motion to adjurnn. So moved. Uh motion by key. All in favor?
I. Good night. Thank you. See you in a couple weeks. Can you bring that up on your phone for him? Phillies. No, the Google Maps that just happened. Is that the eighth inning? Seven.
Well, that just happened then.