DelenCo Township Committee meeting of October 6, 2025, beginning at 7 p.m. at the Delo Township Municipal Building, 770 Coopertown Road, Deleno, New Jersey. >> Seven. My phone says seven.
>> Yeah, we are recording. >> Good evening. Welcome to October 6th, 2025's Township Committee meeting located here at the municipal building. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Barlet >> here. >> Mrs. Patrick >> here. Mr. McFaden >> here. >> Mr.
absent, and Miss Susie >> here. Thank you. Also present, Mrs. Simmona, our town administrator. Mr. Fox, our engineer, Mr. Raymond, filling in for our solicitor, Mrs. Lure, municipal clerk. Mrs. Russell, deputy municipal clerk, Mr. Warren, our police
chief, Mr. Fenmore, superintendent of public works. Please rise for the flag salute to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
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vibrate, and we'll move into our comments and reports um from the professionals. Mr. Fox. >> Uh thank you, Mayor. Um on the agenda this evening on discussion items um correspond um we
have the developer of the crossings uh Dr. Harden has uh requested that we bifrocate the bond. Um and what that means is that uh what they want to do is they want to put up a separate pond for the basins and
once all the other work is done when the development itself that will be leach and and the town take over the roadways right away. Um so we can talk about that now or wait for the discussion right on whatever you >> Oh we can talk about it later. >> Okay.
Um, next the uh 2024 local a uh grant that is complete. That's the chestnut and walnut street pavings. Um that um we're waiting for some the punch list to be done. There's minor punch list work that needs to be done and that that
project will be closed out. The the um local aid 2024 local aid uh that's Delaware Avenue repaving project. Um, as you know, we awarded that to Vernal Asphalt Company
um for 379,613 and we have a pre construction meeting scheduled for tomorrow um at 2 p.m. And once we have that meeting, um we'll know the the time schedule for the contractor and I can uh
imply to to everyone by email on what that schedule will be. We have a October 25th is the 5K run. So, >> Yep. We have that. I know. Then, and we also have the the trunk retreat. >> Yeah. 25th. >> That's the 25th, too.
>> Carriage. >> Yeah. Carriage R's only until December, >> right? So, they may have some punches work to do at that time, but the actual project should be done by by then. the zoo park that is um the process
basically complete and we're still just waiting for the the uh the grass to be established. Um given the time of the year that should start to flourish now that the grass so that should come up soon and we can
finalize that project. >> They were out on Thursday and we're doing some seeding and dirt replenishment. and they gave me the key to the box. So, they were out there on Thursday doing some stuff. >> Yep. Exactly. >> I know you're on top of it, so
>> you know it worry about um the uh there's a CDBG grant um teams meeting. I believe we're going to try and get that tomorrow um for the 2025 uh
grant. Um, that's the one that that they told us that we were going to get, but there's no funds. The federal funds are available. So, I don't know what this team meeting is going to bring about, but we can move forward on that. And I'm sure Belle will report on that as well.
>> Isn't the government closed? What could be an update? >> I honestly don't know. >> Okay. >> I have no idea. >> Yeah, they're closed. >> And, uh, that's all I have at the moment. Um, I did Um
there's I believe a discussion item for a street tree and I did take a look at that and I can give you my opinion on that when that comes out. >> Okay. Thank you >> Beverly. Did we hear back from New Jersey American Water?
>> No. >> Yeah. No response. No response. need to figure out better notifications for these residents on these street closures. >> They need to be made to do it. >> Huh. >> They need to be made to do it. >> I know >> he has no problem doing it along with
and ironically pineer pipe. >> They've made notifications to the residents utilizing telephone calls, phones, as well as going and speaking to them in advance. >> Yeah. >> So, they even call they usually even call you like I get a call if there's an issue. But when we spoke to them
Thursday, they clearly stated that they would do as such and they haven't. So, >> but yeah, I got about five different emails of doing the hydrant flushing, but >> heard anything else about anything else. Yeah. >> Um, if you would like to me lay a fire
on them, I can I can I can threaten them that I can I'll shut them down if they don't >> light an inferno under them. That would be wonderful. Thank you. I I I will I'll tell them to shut down, you know, >> Yeah. >> because I have some angry residents, you know, they're knocking on their door at 7 a.m. telling them to move their cars
and they have no idea what's going on. So, >> right. >> Not the most ideal situation. >> Thank you, Harry. >> Uh, anything from our solicitor's office? >> Uh, no, we don't have anything. We we do have a comment on the the item that that
Harry mentioned that we'll discuss later, but um other than that, nothing at this time. >> Thank you, Mr. Raymond. Uh Mr. Monero, Township Administrator. >> Um thank you, Mayor. Just a couple summary items of what's on the agenda. Um we have received $175,000 from
Burlington County Park Development Program for the construction of a playground at Babe Ruth Field. So that resolution is entering the $175,000 into our budget so that we can start spending it. We have every two years we get a
list of requirements from our insurance company with recommended changes. We have a required handbook and you will see the changes that are being done this year are all in reference to updates to laws. So that's memorializing those changes.
And finally, we have successfully completed negotiations with the police officers with their bargaining agreement. And I think it was a uh fair contract for both sides. And finally, I'm happy to report as far as the run walk that's coming up, the township is
putting together a team. There are 12 employees that are uh are going to be out there doing the runwalk this year. >> Okay. >> Great. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. Department heads, Mr. Fenomore. >> Yeah. How you doing? Um,
we cut all four, uh, we cut all township properties four times, included the new property that we got at 401. Uh, line four baseball fields for baseball. Uh, we lined the soccer fields
when they needed them. Uh, we delivered so far eight yards of compost and we'll be starting on getting rid of our god knows how much. We got probably about 2,000 yards of comp compost. Um, we trimmed 19 trees that were low
and hanging. I removed three. Uh, the cleanup was pretty good. We had a lot of TVs this year. Uh, we had we took 101 tires.
So, they use that pretty good. And for our final pickup for brush, we picked up 48 cubic yards. >> That's it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks to you and your team for uh assisting with us getting the fields
ready for the event on Saturday and uh staying through to help clean up. Appreciate that. You guys did a great job. >> Okay, Mr. Warren. >> Good evening, everyone. For the
month of September, uh we had a total of 13 police cases for a year total yearly total of 187. There were 163 motor vehicle stops for a total of the year 1,633 and there were 38 motor vehicle summons
issued uh for a total for the year 550. There were 913 calls for service and total right now for the year is 9,047. So again, again, busy busy month. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Um, other than that, that's all I have.
>> Thank you very much. >> No problem. >> Anybody have anything they'd like to ask before we move on to public comment? Okay. Rules governing uh public comment period in accord with and subject to the provisions of the open public meetings
act and JSA 104-12 at seek. During general public comment periods, the Deleno Township committee is permitted to institute reasonable rules and regulations to allow for a smooth process and ensure a reasonable opportunity to be heard. Calling out from the audience out of one time at the microphone is disruptive to the person
speaking at the mic and to the committee speaking from the day and will not be permitted. Each speaker will have five minutes to speak maximum and should limit their comments to the matter at hand. The speaker will be directed to conclude their remarks once the time has expired. No time may be yielded to another speaker. Groups are asked to
select a spokesperson to speak on their behalf. Speakers will address the committee from the podium and are asked to begin their remarks with their name and address. Committee members are not obligated to answer impromptu questions or address remarks from the public during the public comment period. They should expect the township to committee for them to refrain from engaging in a
dialogue except to the extent necessary to clarify the speaker's comments. The allotted time for speaking from the podium is a method to address the committee during the public comment period. Township Committee will not entertain questions or comments called out from the audience during public comment or at any other time. Speakers and members of the public should at all
times maintain proper decorum and shall make their remarks in a civil manner. Personal attacks, obscinity, or derogatory or slanderous remarks will not be tolerated. Uh meeting is now open to the public for session one on agenda items only. If you'd like to speak about anything that is on the agenda, please come to the
podium and state your name and address. Seeing none, I will close session one to the public and move on to our special discussion discussion item tonight on the future development of 401 Creek Road. So, this is our second public input session regarding the future of the property that we purchased. So, if
you'd like to make any comments or suggestions on the future, please come up to the podium and state your name and address. And just a reminder, you do have five minutes. >> Hi. Hi, Bill 304 Center Avenue. >> Let's pull the mic up to you. There you go.
>> Billage 304 Center Avenue. >> I was thinking about possibly reserving a few acres for a green burial ground. Green cemetery. >> Did you say green burial ground? >> Yes. >> What is that?
>> It's a It's a cemetery that prohibits faults and bomb bodies. >> Huh. Closest one is in Balakinwood, Laurel Hill. It's very nice. It's natural setting, so be rentable to
redevelopment of property as open space and allow some economic development as well. >> Okay. Well, we'll add that to the list. Matt, could you write that down for us? Matt's taking notes for us. It >> wouldn't have to be all the property, just a few acres of it.
>> Gotcha. Okay. Thanks, Bill. Anyone else public comment on 401? >> Mark Perry 32 Ships way. >> Just pull that mic down. There you go. Say that one more time. >> Mark Mark Perry 32 ships way.
>> Mark Perry. Got it. >> I read the minutes from the last meeting. And um couple questions I have is one of the suggestions was a assisted
living per uh uh facility. My question is, does the uh township have that big a need
uh to have an assisted living a living facility here? >> Mhm. >> Versus the the number of assisted livingings that are already. And
if you if you uh convert it to that, wouldn't that be a major expense to convert it to assisted living? >> Well, it would be a developer that would buy the property and then build on it. So, we would
>> So, you would resell it? >> Yes. We're not in the development business. And as far as my opinion, reading the the rest of the minutes from
the first meeting is uh that I believe that that the best way is to keep it as an open
area for the community rather than resell it again. Uh because uh you got if you resell it, you don't have a lot of traffic going in and out.
>> Mhm. >> And that was part of the reason why I understand the township was uh purchasing so somebody couldn't take it over and make a a truck repair place.
with truck repair or something else. If it develops traffic, you're defeating that purpose. And as far as some of the other suggestions were concerned, I thought that they were good
suggestions whether limited to uh you limited to uh uh a recreation or you have all those trees there and
you have hiking trails or like somebody suggested it should be limited just to Township. ship residence for something. Uh that that's my comment.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Anyone else? Mr. Bu. >> Scott Bu 18 Pennington Court. Uh I thank John on the way in for the cleanup of 401. Uh it's the best that it's looked in a very long time and nice and nicely cleaned up.
>> Yeah. Uh, I would like to see the township at least hold on to that part of the property. Uh, used to drive me nuts at Delran. All the money would go into all the equipment and it would stand outside for 9 months a year. So when you've got chippers and you got
expensive equipment, it would be nice to get it undercover. So that part in that building, that office can be used for something. Um, yeah. Yeah, and I'd probably like to see something along the line of senior housing of some sort on the rest of the property. Uh I don't know whether we can get any more out of
the county to help in any one way or another, but uh that's kind of the way I'd like to see it. So that's it. >> Thank you very much. Anyone else? >> Public comment. >> Mr. Weber,
>> Ray Weber, 22 ships. I made the comment last meeting of putting in assisted living type thing in there. The only problem with that is and and Phil knows
this. I have I track a lot of uh calls. Morstown has four retirement communities, assisted living communities. Delan Cinton's got one between 60 and 65% of their EMS calls
are going to those locations. That would be an additional cost to the township if you put in assisted living into that development. That's something else that would have to be taken into consideration. And so, as I said, I track all this stuff until it's just a hobby. I got
strange one, but a hobby. >> Could be worse. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Mr. Gross. >> Uh, good evening. Uh, Charles Gross, 35 Walton Way.
Members of the Deleno Township community, thank you for considering the input of our community. As a registered architect and someone who's experienced in tax credit senior projects, I offer the possibility of what 401 Creek Road can become. With the township's history,
it's not difficult to imagine the transformation of an underdeveloped property into a dignified and welcoming space for our seniors. Those who have spent their t their lives contributing to the fabric of this town can remain close to family and friends and can
easily relo relocate within familiar surroundings. Positioned between the field Field of Dreams Community Park with its beautifully night sensitive lit sport fields nestled along the serene tranquil Rancokus Creek and sharing a
border with a 55 and older older community that can share p picturesque and meticulously kept landscape pocket gardens. 401 Creek Road is positioned at the gateway entrance to Deleno Township, ready to become its new brilliant cornerstone.
By partnering with an established and experienced real estate developer who specializes in tax credit development, Deleno can transform this property into a vibrant agefriendly community for our seniors without burdening the local the local budgets. It's about honoring our
elders with peaceful, affordable, age appropriate living opportunities that allow them to stay close to home, family, friends, and familiar surroundings. It's not the controver controversial family housing, which we understand can generate apprehensions.
The beauty of this type of partnership lies in its efficiency and fiscal responsibility. through federal and tax and state tax credit programs. This property can be revitalized without straining the local budget resources. In
addition, adaptive reuse of existing structures on the property can mean unlocking funds that would otherwise not be available in the complex application process which projects like this are necessary to compete in. Thank you for
considering the vision that honors both the past and the future. And it should also be noted that from future planning standpoint, a project like this can take uh unlock funding and support for additional grants, public and private
partnerships, and offer um uh the attraction of additional investment and resources. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you, Mr. Chris. before you sit. Um would a developer like that be looking for any kind of pilot type program to
invest in Deleno you think? >> So I I believe there are programs like that that are required as far as their application but again each pilot program is developed individually within the confines of how the program is going to
be run. So again what the what the aspects of the pilot are um can be negotiated with the developer to meet the requirements of the application but again with an experienced developer I think you know it's worth I believe um the opportunity to discuss something
with them. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. You're >> welcome. >> Anyone else Mr. Cooper. >> Evening. Gary Cooper, 30s Avenue. I still believe that the developments,
either whether it's senior citizens or condos or other homes, is going to put more of a burden on our already stressed emergency services. It's going to be a problem. My comment. >> Thank you. Anyone else?
Going once, going twice. I'll close the uh input session on 41. Thank you all for your comments. Um as we stated before, we'll uh take all them into consideration as we move forward with uh the future of this property. And uh
thank you very much for all the well thoughtout words. So we'll move on to our consent agenda items. Consent agenda items are considered to be routine will be enacted with a single motion. Any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda. All consent agenda items will be reflected
in full in the minutes. Anybody have anything they needed to remove from the consent agenda? >> No. >> I'm good. >> Okay. Resolution 2025-142 resolution requesting approval of items of revenue and appropriation into the 2025 municipal budget pursuant to NJSA4A
4-87. Resolution 2025143, resolution adopting amendments to personnel policies and procedures. Resolution 144 authorizing execution of collective barking agreement to Leno Police Association approvement of bills
in the amount of 1,263,854.30 as per the bill list run date 10325. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda, please? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Uh motion by Matt, second by Kate. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Parlet,
>> yes. >> Mrs. Patrick, >> yes. >> Mr. McFad, >> yes. >> Miss, >> yes. Thank you. >> Okay, moving on to our uh discussion from last meeting, the appeal of the two Shade Tree decision requests,
um 210 Peace Tree Lane and 41 Emory Way. So, I think we all uh looked into these properties a little bit more after our last meeting. And did anybody want to talk about either one >> before we move on to our decision?
>> Um, this is just for this tant committee, right? Open this up to the public again. Um, for 210 Peach Tree, I did uh reread our ordinance and um also ask our engineer to take a look at the
property regarding the utilities. And our ordinance states that a small tree utilities should be 6 ft from the tree. For a medium tree, 12 ft. And for a large tree, I think it was 18 ft.
So that's why I asked Harry to look and I also circulated Dove Weller's uh response that he had suggested it because John Brown had asked him to take a look at the property. So Harry, do you want to
comment? I had asked Harry to take a look at the property as well. >> Um sure. Um I would consider this a new tree. Um and and as you stated in the ordinance by saying 12 ft for utilities
generally that is the most concern is your sewer lateral u in this case you actually have a a gas man that's about 3 ft away from the tree. Um and then there's a sewer lateral that's probably
about five or six feet from from the tree. There's evidence where from what I understand the lateral was was replaced at at one time in PBC. Um and there's evidence that the tree root disturbed the cleanout at some point in
time. Someone cut the root and prepared the cleanout. Um the roots are shallow. I I I if from just from an engineering standpoint and and I'm not a tree expert at all just for infrastructure reasons,
I would have a concern about the the tree roots affecting this lateral and and possibly the gas man, but probably not a gas man. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. >> Thank you. And I'm just going to read Mr. Wellard's uh email into the record.
Uh it was dated April 23rd, 2025. And just for the audience, Mr. Weller is uh in charge of our sewer authority. He's >> the executive director. >> Yes. Thank you. Um this is from Brandy to Jessica, who is a shade tree uh
secretary. Mr. Brown requested that Doug Weller check out the property at 210 Peace Tree Lane for a tree issue. Doug recommends that the tree be removed as they are causing issues with the silver lines and could cause problems with the gas and water service if not taken care of. And I've attached the pictures that
Doug sent me this morning. So they attached two photos that everybody was sent. Those photos, he's just pointing out the sewer cleanout and the roots close proximity to it, but we could all see that when we went out there. So,
okay. So, regarding 210 Peach Tree Lane, um Matt, did you want to add anything? Um, >> I'll give my comments when I vote. >> Okay. Bill, >> when was the roof cut and the clean out put in? Do you Does anybody
know exactly when that was done? >> The sewer line was put in 95. >> Yeah, the cleanout. >> The replace. >> Yeah, the clean out. I we don't know the previous owner. >> Okay. >> Um
>> we'll say was in the last 10 years. Do we do we want to let her we can come up and just answer that question for us and just state your name and address. >> Mary Makura 210 Peach Tree Lane. The uh um the issue was addressed in 2024. That's
when the uh route was cut and the uh uh pipe was uh uh cleared out of the roots that are inside the pipe. >> Is that why you own the property? No, >> it was before you just bought it, right? >> Okay, >> great. Thank you very much.
>> So, 2024. >> Okay, >> that's what I was just trying to figure out if the root was going to grow back in or not. And >> um if it was done >> 10 years ago, I could see it, but
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, we'll move on to vote on this appeal. Um, I guess >> you had to do that by motion. >> How do you want to do that? >> Or just move. >> I would
>> I can't remember how we did. >> You know, maybe Steve would disagree, but I would do a motion to either um accept the appeal or reject the appeal. Um, >> right. I think that second and a roll call. >> That's probably the way to do it because the appeals before you. So, just similar
to to a a application before a land use board, someone should make a motion to either grant the appeal or deny the appeal and then a roll call vote on on that that appeal. >> Um, it's probably easiest just for clarity to have the motion be made
in the affirmative and then >> you can vote yes or no on it. That way, you're it's clear what you're voting for. Yes. Yeses would be in favor of granting the appeal. No would be in favor of denying the appeal. Uh but but again that's certainly up up to the the board. >> Okay. >> Okay. So can I get a motion to grant the
appeal of the shade tree request to shisen on 210 Peach Tree Lane. >> So move. >> I'll second motion by Kate, second by me to grant the appeal. Can I get a roll call vote, please? >> Mr. Bartlett.
>> And just just for clarity, so the motion was to grant the appeal. Um, so a yes vote would be in favor of granting the appeal. A no vote would be uh rejecting the appeal. >> Oh, before we do that, let me just add something about the actual removal. So,
I would be in favor of granting the appeal, but having the homeowner remove the tree and not the township. I think that's kind of an important part of this whole thing. Um >> yeah, since the shade tree funds are limited, certainly wouldn't be taken
down this year and their budget, they're trying to um >> replant some trees in areas where they can plant the right tree in the right place. So the tree would not be able to be taken down from the township in the
next year or two. So the um so that would be the stipulation in granting the appeal that the homeowner has the right to take it down. >> So uh I'll revise my >> Yeah. >> Our motion to reflect the appeal be granted at the cost of the homeowner to
take down the tree. >> So Kate, do you want to make that motion? >> Yes. >> And I'll second that. >> And we'll amend that motion. Can we do that, Janice? Amend it. So, it's a motion to grant the appeal condition upon the homeowner um remove the tree at homeowner's expense.
>> Correct. >> So, then a roll call, please. >> Mr. Bartlett, >> this one's a This one's a tough one. Usually, I'm the first one to show uh throw under the bus saying they deny everything. They deny everything.
this particular one, the homeowner obviously was the previous homeowner requested the tree go in at this location. And based on looking at um street photos from Google in 2012, I
believe it was last updated. It looked like it was placed maybe a year or two before that. The sewer line was placed in 1995. The homeowner knew where they were putting this tree. I get it's not the current homeowner and I also respect Mr. Weller's opinion
as the sewer authority. However, as Harry noted, these are shallow roots. It's not going to affect the lateral 3T, 4T below, whatever the burial depth is. I understand it already uh somehow
impacted the cap of the sewer line there. That's an easy repair because it's right at the ground level and it was cut already the roots uh about a year ago or so as we were just said and you can look at it right now
and you can see where the roots are cut probably a good about a foot on either side of it. Um I've heard comments at the last meeting that could be a possible tripping hazard with the shallow roots. The shallow roots are there. you know,
that's not going to change when the tree comes up and it's not impacting the walkway that actually gets to the house from the street. Uh, for those reasons, I'm voting no. >> Okay. >> Thank you, >> Mrs. Patrick. >> Uh, yes,
>> Mr. McFaden. I I'm stuck on this one. Uh on one hand, our arborist states that when the roots are cut, they will regrow.
I see Matt's point about their surface root. Uh that's why my curiosity was when was it cut? Um I believe if the homeowner is willing to remove it themselves, then I think I
will vote yes. >> Thank you. >> And your vote is >> yes. >> Mr. is absent. Miss Seuss. Uh my vote is yes to have the homeowner remove it at her cost. Uh tree should not have been planted where it was planted to begin with. I understand it was the approved
species by shade tree, but we should not be planting street trees where there's utilities. So the tree should come down at this point. So my vote was yes. Didn't get that. >> Motion does carry. >> Thank you. Moving on to the appeal of 41
Emory Way. Um, anybody have anything they want to talk about for this? >> Like I mentioned last time I went out there, that sidewalk is raised a good two two and a half inches. It is an imminent trip hazard in multiple locations.
>> I'm not concerned about where it is relative to the utility. As mentioned, utilities are at a certain depth and you could see that route those roots are up as well. and util and um tree roots seek water. Electric is shouldn't have water. If it does, we
have a bigger issue, but it's it's a trip hazard with that sidewalk the way that is. And if we we're not fixing that sidewalk, that tree needs to come come down so it can be fixed. >> Any other comments? I I I'm only in agreement with Matt, but
my main concern is the gentleman had the sidewalk fixed three or two years ago. Correct. >> I believe >> sounds about right. >> Yeah. >> And then uh he's also now stating that it's uh raising his driveway.
>> Mhm. If it was the sidewalk, I'd feel comfortable with saying let the shade tree go ahead and do their replacement program. Uh, but I think since it's hitting the driveway, I think I'll have
to agree and say yes. >> Thank you. So, just a note about the uh pilot program for the sidewalk. That money has been depleted. So, there is no more township money to to do that. I believe that program was established to
uh showcase what could be done for homeowners since it is the homeowner's responsibility to do sidewalks. So, the township is not funding that program anymore. We do still fund the sidewalk reimbursement program, but that was uh a pilot program to show residents how they could uh ramp around the tree roots
>> with the pavers >> with the PA project. Yes. So, um the township does not have any money to continue funding that at this time. So, um I know there's still a list, but that's kind of where that stands. So, okay. Any other comments? Otherwise,
we'll move to make a motion to approve the appeal of 41 Eyeway. >> I'll make that motion. >> Can someone second, please? >> Second. >> Motion by Matt, second by Phil. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Bartwood,
>> yes. >> Mrs. Patrick, yes. Mr. McFazzen. >> Yes. >> Mus. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. So, that concludes our uh portion
of the shade tree appeals. I hope everyone is satisfied with that process which is not a fun process for anyone up here just so we all know. Um, okay. Moving on to correspondence. Any correspondence, Janice?
>> None. >> Okay. This will be session two meeting open to the public for comments and questions. Uh meeting is open to talk about anything you'd like. Uh please come to the podium and state your name and address. >> Yes. My name is Harold Klinger. I live
at 509 Buttonwood Street. Uh what I'd like to talk about is street cleaning. Um, I live on a corner and uh so I have two streets to clean and I've been keeping
up on them for over 30 years. Uh, but the issue is uh why am I doing that? So I know that we have a street cleaner.
>> Mhm. Uh, I know for years there was issue with the old street cleaner that it would break down all the time. And since then we now own, I guess, half a street cleaner with Beverly, which is supposed to be a better street
cleaner. Uh, I did see it once running around the town, but uh, that's about it. >> It's done quarterly at least, right, John? >> Correct. Could you just explain a little bit about that? How often we do that?
>> Well, uh, I know where he lives and, uh, there's a lot of cars. It's always around that area. I know on Buttonwood Street, but we we hit every street. >> How of It's quarterly, right? Like we do it at least every other month kind of.
>> We probably on our third time. >> Yeah. >> So, it's required by the state for storm water. Um, >> so my my question was uh on that schedule because I have thought I' I've put a lot of thought into this over the years because I have time when I'm out
there completing the street to think about it >> and why it's happening and what's going on and uh so I didn't have time to really sit and count how many streets in
the Delano there are and I thought well maybe the chief knows how many streets streets that are in Hawai's probably not 52 streets. >> I don't know. Harry, you know how many streets there are in town? >> The sound about right? >> It's got to be 62 streets.
>> Little Google Maps store count. >> It's got to be more than 52, I would think. >> 62. >> More than Yeah. >> Okay. >> I think John knows. He's a well. >> So, there's, you know, 52 weeks in a year. >> Mhm. And uh I I was thinking there was
less than 52, but at that rate I thought, well, maybe they could come around and do one street a week. It would, you know, on a continuous basis. But then I thought, you know, there's not enough people
working at the public works that to to do that or take care of that where you would see the street cleaner. Yeah. once once at least once a week somewhere. And uh and then I thought,
you know, maybe Burlington Avenue is the biggest problem because Burlington Avenue, you know, as you know, runs all the way from, you know, West Avenue, the tracks all the way down to the bridge and it's all
downhill. And when and there's a lot of crap on Burlington Avenue because of all the traffic on Burlington Avenue >> that runs through the town, brings all the dirt with it, drops it into Leco as
they're going by and it's a lot a lot of stuff and there's a lot of trees on Burlington Avenue. Uh, so there's just Wellington Avenue is just filled with stuff and it's all downhill. And when it rains, every time it rains,
all that stuff runs downhill and it hits all the side streets and and just runs down the side streets. And of course, the one I'm on happens to be at an angle, so it's perfect for that.
>> You know, doesn't have to make a a right hand turn. It just goes right on down. All the crap comes down there. So, I would think that if somehow we could at least get Burlington Avenue
done on a regular basis. >> So, that's a county road. So, the county is responsible for street sweeping that >> road has been hit probably a dozen times. You might not have saw it, but we've hit that constantly because of those sycamore trees all along there.
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We've hit them at least a dozen times. More than every any street in town. >> And the county does it too on top of that. >> The county just went by last week. >> Mhm. >> Also, >> so may maybe they're not doing it
enough. The county we're required, we're only required >> four times a year the street to sweep >> to, you know, sweep the streets. >> But if the street is dirty, we go out. You know, people blow a lot of grass out into the street and that promotes the
weed to grow along the the curb. That what are you supposed to do? >> No, I understand all that. I'm not saying >> on a schedule to do get through the whole town. Now, when leaf season comes, >> we'll probably hit the streets four or five times >> because we're cleaning up all the debris
from the, you know, leaf area. >> We follow up and we clean up. No towns do that. We do it. Okay. Because all that little stuff, the flakes and stuff, that all goes down into the storm drain and the next thing you know, somebody's calling up the storm drains clogged up.
Well, I guess so, >> right? >> Because of all the debris, >> right? >> And I think John, isn't the big issue on um the smaller streets where Mr. like where Mr. Clinger lives, you can't get all those cars off the street at the same time to clean them up. You know,
Buttonwood's a narrow street. I I live there a long time. >> I I I think if If if it was a schedule, >> yeah, >> if it was scheduled, did you just like any other time that you schedule something on streets, you put up the
sides and you say no parking >> on this day because we're going to run up and down the street to to clean it. >> So, that's something that we're working with our new administrator in public works and our subcommittee to actually get a schedule going. It's a bit of a a process. So, it
is something we are trying to work on. So, more to come definitely, but we hear you and I appreciate your concerns for sure. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Anybody else? Public comment, Mark Prairie, 32 ships way. A couple
weeks ago, I received a postcard from New Jersey American Water, and I assume that most of the township received that notice about lead pipes. My question is, where could I get information
on? My house was built 2004, 21 years ago. And uh I want to know where I could get information of what material was used to put in the
order of the sewer lines uh when those houses were built. >> Not lead pipe, that's for sure. >> Not lead pipe. >> Not lead pipe. PVC. >> Yeah, there was no lead. >> PVC. Not lead pipe. If it was 2004, no lead pipes.
>> So So I guess that New Jersey uh American Water just automatically sent out to everybody. >> Well, that's different. New Jersey American Water's feed pipes are different than what is in your house.
How New Jersey American Water gets the water to us is New Jersey American Waters infrastructure. So that's different. >> But but even then, they shouldn't have been putting lead pipe in in Rose Newton's Landing. How they get it from the wells to us is a different story. >> The mailings that they're doing is to have the homeowners and they sent out
emails as well to go out um I got it last year to go look in your basement and see what type of pipe if it if you scratch it with a coin or a nail and it uh I don't know turns a shade of purple or whatever it is. Uh then you have a
lead pipe. Um >> Harry, when's the last time they installed lead pipes in houses? >> 70s. Were you born yet, Harry? >> Actually, yes. My parents house, believe it or not. >> Okay. >> Probably let paint lead pipes kind of in the 70s.
>> My house may have had them. My house was over 100 years old, but I had all new uh I had all new piping put in when I renovated it. >> Yeah, we did the same thing. But >> yeah. >> Yeah, it was that pipes used it. BA
based on that notice made it sound like it was the water sewer line that went from uh the street to the house, not the pipes within the house. >> Yes. So from the street to your house is still your responsibility.
>> I I I understand that. But >> it might have been one of the mailers that they sent out to try to get you to sign up for their extended warranty where they would cover it if you pay them10 or $15 a month. sent out that mailer also that was separate. >> Got you. I didn't get that.
>> Yeah, I got that last week. I got it. >> Um and it wouldn't be your sewer pipe. Sewer was never I don't think it's ever been lead pipe. It's PVC currently before that it was Orangeberg and the terracotta. Wasn't the uh contractor building the
houses uh uh um >> that one the uh whoever the contractor used to put in the the sewer line and
the water line. >> Yeah. >> Was that New Jersey American water >> at that time? >> No. I don't think New Jersey American Water puts your piping in. They may come back and put the piping in from the streets of the house. >> Yeah. When the
>> streets of the house and they're under the same obligation that homeowners are about lit. So, >> I'm not talking about who's responsible. I'm talking about find I don't want to change them just because I got a notice.
>> You're You don't need to. You're good. >> You're fine. I'm confident there is no lead pipe that's serving your property >> in Newton's Landing, right? >> Or any property in Newton's Landing, >> right? >> So, there might be lead pipe in some of the rest of the township depending on how old how many
>> Absolutely. Yeah. Not in Newton's Landing. You're good. >> I don't believe so. >> You're good. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Harry. Can you tell us that we're good? >> Yes. Thank you. >> I can I can guarantee you that there no lead pipes in in New Land. >> Okay. It could be inside the house
though. >> No, not news landing. No landing. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Anybody else? Mr. Kisher, come on up. You don't have lead pipes either. >> Uhoh. He has a prepared speech.
>> What? >> Huh? >> He's watching the Phillies game, aren't you? >> On your phone. >> No, I'm not. Okay. Tim Kishler, 12 Powers Court. Uh, it's been a while since I've been able to attend one of these meetings. So, first and shoot,
>> I'm sorry. >> You're good. >> Couldn't get it to print. I can't get it to It's been quite a while since I was able to attend one of these meetings. So, first let me publicly thank Mayor Suz and all but one of her fellow committee members who worked relentlessly to communicate the benefits of the township
purchase of 41 Creek Road to its residents, which ultimately resulted in a majority vote to approve it. Anyone wanting to get a feel for the bullet that we dodged here in Deleno need only drive north on Route 130 and look to their left, just after Obnoxious
Antiques and before the Florence, New Jersey Turnpike entrance. There sits United brakes and clutches. a commercial truck repair facility much like the one that Criterion proposed building on the 401 Creek Road site. Second, I would like to revisit an issue
that has previously been addressed but not resolved. This is the challenge of safely making a left-hand turn onto Newton's Landing Boulevard from Emery Way. Some time ago, our chief of police determined this to be the result of obstructed vision, and at least to some
degree it is. But while it is also clearly more than that, the cause of the obstru of of the obstruction was misidentified as the line of bushes that might be overgrown at times which delineate the end of the property in the backyards of those living on John Mah
way. And this is not the case. Vision is actually obstructed by the row of 10 mature trees which follow the curved edge of the tenth of a mile roadway from the entrance of Newton's landing on the boulevard to the intersection at McCain's at McKay Way. making it
extremely difficult to see oncoming vehicles as they travel along the expanse at speeds which may at times exceed the current posted limit of 25 miles per hour. There is currently only one traffic sign that alerts drivers to the almost 50% reduction in the speed limit for the out
of the two 45 mph roads, Creek Road and County Road 625 that feed into the community. The single black onwhite 25 mph sign stands off to the right, nestled beneath and often in the shadow of one of these trees on Newton's
Landing Boulevard a full third of the way between Creek Road and McKay Way. One of my neighbors, whom you have come to know, insist that if he hangs back far enough, he can actually see through or more accurately around this bank of trees. For some time, I did the reverse,
creeping out further and further into the crosswalk at this intersection. However, recently, in an effort to maintain my personal safety and sanity, I've taken to driving around the the block behind my house, making lefts on Harlo Place and McKayway and turning left onto Newton's Landing Boulevard, a
long block further away at the intersection of McKayway, where I can actually see oncoming vehicles after they pass Emery Way. When I last brought this up, this issue at one of these meetings, I mentioned that Susan and I had previously lived for 20 years in Lumberton's Bobby's Run,
and that at one point, the township hired a firm at great expense to perform a trafficcoming study at Bobby's Run Boulevard, which runs through that development. Suggestions included the now popular rotaries and the equally unpopular speed bumps, but in the end,
no action was taken. I have however noticed several things recently that have actually been done elsewhere and I have some suggestions I would like to offer this committee all free of charge. I understand that nothing can be done about the curve in that first 10 tenth
of a mile of road entering Newton's Landing and I'm not suggesting that any of the 10 trees that line the road be cut down. And my neighbor who I previously mentioned has reminded me that a speed bump is definitely not an allowed solution. A stop sign on Newton's Landing Boulevard at McKay Way
would probably only make matters worse, as it has been my experience that many motorists just don't know who has the right away or when to proceed if there are more than two stop signs at any intersection. But there are still a number of things that can be done. While traffic signs are usually situated to
the driver's right, they can also be placed on the left side of the road, and a single signpost can accept more than one sign on either or both sides. Also, while such signs are usually black on white, they can also be black on yellow. It's been proven that things that are
yellow are easier to see, which is why the color of everything from emergency vehicles to tennis balls has been changed to yellow. And to draw even more attention to black on yellow signs, there are long blackon yellow metal sign tales that can be placed below them.
Newton's Landing is not a private gated community. In addition to those who live there, the streets are open to the vehicles, cars, and trucks alike of those making deliveries or providing services, as well as students just learning to drive. All should be subject to the same speed limit to prevent
damage or injury to property or person. My first suggestion is to attach one or two black on yellow reduced speed ahead signs on the back of one or both of the existing signpost on the end of the median strip just prior to the entrance to Newton's landing. I would also like
to suggest replacing the current single black on white 25 mph speed limit sign with a black on yellow one. The black on yellow metal sign tails could also be attached below as many of these signs as there is sufficient available space to the ground. Lastly, I would like to
recommend that the speed limit that that the speed limit that the speed be limited, I'm sorry, to 15 miles per hour for all of Newton's Landing as it already currently is in the Point Townhouse community section. I trust that at least the majority of our
elected township officials will seriously consider these recommendations and take appropriate practical action on behalf of our residents and their safety. implementing these would not would not be costly and they would also not require either the circulation of a petition or an expensive special
election. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Harry. Do you have any comments you'd like to add? >> Um, yeah. As as far as the the signage, um the the township is governed by
what's called the MUTCD is called >> manual control. >> Manual for uniform. >> Manif. Yeah. Thank you. Manual uniform traffic control. Um that tells it what exactly signs can be
placed there. The colors of the signs, the shapes are the size, the dimensions, size, everything to to a tea. >> Um a a black on yellow traffic sign is not allowed. I can tell you that. Um there are advanced warning signs that could be put up in black and yellow. Um
but but certainly not speed limit signs. Um in addition the height of the signs, they have to be 7 ft above ground level. Um so the the existing poster out there whatnot probably couldn't and I didn't look at it but probably could not
support another sign. They also MTC discourages putting multiple signs on one page as well um for clarity reasons. So with regard to signage that would have to be looked at and and some of the items you mentioned I I appreciate your
thoughts on it and I understand what you're saying but they're just not allowed by by law. Could you look at that intersection when you're in town again, the area he's talking about, and see if like we need to trim some bushes or some trees? Any kind of sight triangle issues?
>> Exactly. Issues are like the biggest problem. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you could take a look at that and report back to us. >> Absolutely. >> Do you have anything? >> I agree with him. I spoke that earlier this year. It's the trees. Those they're right at the almost at the curb line right there. Okay.
>> So, you have to keep inching out. >> Okay. Okay. >> Up to the stop sign to look around. >> What tree trees are you talking? >> Those are like they're small like evergreens, right? I guess they're evergreens. The ones that right on there, right by the curb line. This one you're referring to, right? >> I don't know the species, but they're tall.
>> Yeah. >> Real trees. And then you have >> not the bushes, >> right? Then you have regular trees that are just hanging over onto the street. Same way. Cuz I ask, could they be either trimmed back? But definitely that's what's obstructing your view. >> What's the location? I don't understand where you're >> Soon as you're coming around to
Benjamin. As you're coming into Newton's Landing, >> it's the first it's the first right turn, >> right? >> Emmery and Newton's Landing Boulevard. >> And that first stop sign >> coming from Emory back on Emory trying to get out of landing.
>> Want to make a lot. It's >> It's just hard to see around the island though, right? >> No. >> No. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> He sounded like he couldn't
>> Yeah. He made it sound like it was coming out. >> People coming in. >> Yeah. You're John. We have the map. We'll show you the map when the meeting's over. We'll show you. Yeah, >> we'll show you the picture if you can come on up. Ray,
>> do some clarification on that. He'll tell you where >> Ray Weber. >> Yeah, Ray Weber 22 ships way at Emery and Newton's Landing Boulevard. John just trimmed the the tall trees that have been there that are about 4
feet off 5T off the line. The trees that Tim is talking about, those evergreens, they are on the homeowner's property, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And that's where Tim mentioned that I look through.
>> I'm the one who looks between the trees because you can see all the way up to >> Old Creek Road, as I will call it. Y >> So you can see where So that's how I know what's coming out. But I've learned to do that just because I've had to. >> Yeah. But if they're in the sight triangle, they'll be told that they have
to be removed. But they're really not in the sight triangle. >> Well, we'll figure that out. >> You come around because I know Chief has already looked at that situation. And >> if you come out to the stop sign and you look left, you can see 200 ft down. >> They said come up a little further. >> Yeah. So, we'll we'll look at it from an
engineering standpoint and we'll see what we can do to make it easier. But I see exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. You shouldn't have to inch out halfway into the intersection to see because it's kind of a bend there. So, it's a little awkward. >> Yeah. And on the other side, there was bushes on the other side when you were looking down >> to the rightward
>> towards Newton landing circle. >> We took those bushes out. >> Okay, so they're not there. >> Okay, I see them right here on the area. >> We No, we have uh >> three stones and some other real low bushes. >> Great. Okay, >> we did that. >> Thank you for the clarification.
>> We'll we'll get back to you, Tim. Anyone else close this second session to the public? and move on to our discussion items. Thank you all for your comments by the way. Um request for bifurcation of performance bond Dr. Horton for the
crossings at Deleno facility. Um does the HOA have any concerns with this? Cindy, do you want to come up? I'll just want to hear from them before I hear from >> Have they completed everything?
>> Yeah, you're not done. if you want to hang out here during our discussion too. >> I missed your pretty face. Where you been? >> Very sweet. >> Pull your microphone down. >> Cindy Hedman, 70 Walton Wang. >> There you go. Thanks. >> So, um, my concern is I want them to be
held account our we want them to be held accountable for everything, right? So, I think that we the last we spoke with you, Harry, you said there was a chance that this may happen that they may want to separate the bonds and keep the basins separate. Um, but they still haven't done any of the other work that
they said they were going to do. So, I just want to make sure that separating the bonds is totally independent and we're still going to require them to complete what they need to complete because nothing has been done since we spoke. >> Yeah. >> Which is interesting. They they they
sent me an email telling me that they did finish that, but I haven't looked at it or had my inspect look at it yet. >> I was out of town for a few days last week, but normally our residents tell me everything. >> I have not heard anything that any work has taken place.
>> Chuck, do you know of any work that I'm not aware of? >> Yeah, I'm not. >> So, the bond would So, the bond won't be released until they do everything they're supposed to. And when they do that, that's when we would set up a separate bond for the basins.
>> But not until everything's done, Cindy. >> Okay. >> And you guys have assured us that and you've been great partners with that and we appreciate >> But I'm not doing anything that benefits them until they finish this. So can can council explain what bifurcation does? >> Yeah. So um
the the bifurcation process would uh So first of all, it's it's entirely op until until they've done all the work. Nothing has to be released. So, it's so it's optional for the council. Um, I I think that in speaking with Doug prior to this, his recommendation was to
because I think there has been some issues out there with some of the work that the Dr. Horton uh has or has not done. There's been a lot of meetings back and forth. So, he wanted to get the input of the uh the HOA. It's nice that we have that tonight. Um, but looks like there's still some questions about that.
Um Doug also thought it was would be important to get uh input from Taylor Design Group to see uh what their recommendations were out there and and then obviously I guess Harry's uh still needs an inspector to get out there and see. Um so there there's no there's no real urgency on this. This isn't
anything that has to be done tonight. Um in fact, even if you wanted to do it tonight, we would still have to prepare a resolution and have that on at your next meeting. Um so I I don't think that there's any any ne necessarily urgency to do this for uh for tonight. Um, we should, if council is thinking about
possibly doing this, I think before you you even go down that route, we need to make sure that they've done the work that they've said they were going to do. Uh, and then also have, um, again, uh, tailor design groups input, uh, have the input from ERRI and and the and and any
inspections have to be done. Uh, and then if if everyone's on board that they they've done what they need had to do, uh, then then again, council can can act at at that point. >> Um, >> I'm in no rush to do anything for them because their basins are still a hot mess. Their list is not being done. So,
in my mind, I'm not in any rush to bifrocate anything for them. >> I agree. >> Yeah, we wouldn't do anything. >> Thank you. >> We know we got you. We >> We We appreciate They aren't the first developer we've dealt with with these issues. So, we're
>> Harry could Harry on site with with a representative de developer not too long ago and he told Harry he was going to do things and told us he was going to do things and he still hasn't done >> over promise. >> How are these guys still in business if they can't get this little development done >> because they're the biggest home builder in the country? >> It's just crazy.
>> The same thing out at news landing that went on for years before things. So you can let them know that no bifurcation and to get started on their punch list stuff. It's going to be winter time soon. Um and we're not willing to budge on anything until they start actually
have an action plan and doing things. >> What's the point when we could call their bond and just do it? >> You don't want some groans. That's an ugly process. >> Yeah, that's you don't want to do that. We don't have to do that. >> They do need to get their basin situation figured out though. >> Yeah, that's one of the biggest long
time. I think Newton's Landing had to be I don't know it was over five years at least. >> Yeah, >> that's where we're heading. It's five years. >> Yeah, it was over five years. >> And we have to remind them and I don't know if you want me to do it or if you all we'll we'll do it. But we have to remind them that since nothing has been
transferred over if this goes into the winter they're going to have to do year five. >> Yeah, they they'll do it because we will not do it. >> You can remind Corey that if you'd like when it gets colder. >> Thank you very much. >> I'll give you that privilege. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome.
>> Thanks, Cindy. >> Okay. Anybody else from council committee? We are a committee. Um have anything they want to talk about, talk, comments? No. >> Go Philills. >> No. I mean, the game's almost over at this point. >> No reason for executive. Which way?
>> What's that? >> Phillies. >> Okay. >> Oh, well that's fine. >> For God's sakes. Motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Uh motion by key. All in favor? Second. Hi. >> Good night. Thank you. See you in a
couple weeks.