uh application had a site plan associated with it that was not constructed. Um and then the other application um Miss Gardy can correct me if I misremember that they came in they had to come in for use variance with an associated site plan which they never
completed. um and therefore haven't continued with their application from my understanding. >> So the application before you is just for the billboard itself and we're not looking to do anything to the remaining portions. >> Is it the intent ever to follow through
with the prior planning board approval? >> Well, we're not the owner of the property itself. So that's that's our section. >> If I may, Mr. chairman. Um you're so you're asking for variance for the Birming and I assume you're still going to ask for variance for the
landscaping even though you've agreed to work with this. Uh but the ordinance does require landscaping to be provided between um Route 130 and the parking lot. Um but since the building's vacant, there's no activity happening on site. Why could you not bring the site into
compliance with the ordinance requirements? Seems to me you could remove some of that excessive parking that's within the buffer area, provide some landscaping, and comply. >> We could do that. The board is going to have a whole another bite of the apple with this.
Whoever comes into this will have to do a let's just say whatever company comes in, they're going to have to do something here. So >> maybe depends on what they're doing, depends if it's what was pre-existing, depends on what they ask for. There's a lot of, >> you know, potential there,
>> but there's no site plan on file for this as of right now, >> but >> you have a site plan from Expert L, which was never finalized. >> I believe that would have to come back to the board, >> but you're coming in now for site plan approval. Correct. So, as part of this
application now, at this time, why not improve the site to comply to the ordinance and at the same time potentially reduce some of the impact of your proposed use variance? >> So, what you're I guess what I'm saying,
what are you what are you looking for? looking for uh we had talked a little bit about pulling about four foot back and running about >> re removing some landscaping along the front of the pro or excuse me some of the paving from along the front of the property away from the driveways and putting in landscaped island in there
between the buffer the parking area from Route 130 >> what he's asking for is to cut paving back in here to add shrubs along. Basically along
part of the part of the site, it's part of the site. So that's what they're asking. >> Can you speak up because I didn't hear what your exchange was? I know you're trying to I'm trying to explain to him what your planner is asking for. >> Right. And I didn't hear whether said
yes or no. >> I don't I don't think he said yes or no yet. >> They're still trying to figure out how far >> if you if you could just project a little bit. the the concern for my client, the issue
for my client since this is the first time this has been brought up. So, we're dealing with something we haven't I don't we haven't had a chance to discuss with him yet, which could be significant because, as I indicated, he's leasing this area of property, this area is
going, he's not leasing the entire site. So, you've got an owner who owns the property who may be looking to do something else with the property, the building as he moves forward with maybe future development. So, you're asking our client to take a look at
something he needs the owner's permission to do. Number one, these are concerns that he has that we haven't had a address that. >> But again, these are ordinance requirements. You're coming in for site plan. You're also asking for a use variance as well
as a height variance. You're going to be impacting the site. You're going to have an impact on the community and surrounding areas. These are items that are required by the ordinances and some variances that you've requested. I appreciate that. But understand part of the issue we're having tonight is we
filed this application in May. We thought we were going to be on the May agenda and we got moved to the June agenda. Uh the June agenda was canceled because of the graduation. We understood that. Then we got moved to the July agenda. Uh and uh another application
was placed before us, a larger application. So we were carried to this agenda. It's been four months and we just got the review letter last night at 8:15. So, I appreciate what your planner
saying, but we, you know, it's it's kind of like surprise. You know, if we had had known about this, we could have addressed this months ago. So, that's part of the concern we're having right now. >> So, you didn't have the ability to look at all about it today. Now, I apologize
for getting it to you late last night. Um, you know, again, you had it ahead of time. Uh, I know I've been able to speak to your team today about it. Um, you know, there's certainly abilities that you could have looked into this and either way, it's still a variance. >> Even if I didn't prepare a letter, it'd
still be a variance and you'd still have to have some justification for that variance and ways to offset the variance. >> We understand. We understand that. We're prepared to address the variance through planning testimony. Um, but at the same time, we've got an owner involved. We have to discuss with him. Uh, Chad was
not available to discuss that with him. Um, he got the letter this morning. We had a conference call. um briefly this afternoon to try to address it. So um >> let me let me just um interject and I I I apologize if I'm cutting you off. It
sounds as though there's been some back and forth. Somewhat new request is being made of the applicant and I know that Mr. Atkins is going to testify later. Why don't we finish up with Mr. out and then you the ones who were not involved
in the next because you have four witnesses. So maybe there can be other side conversations because I think I think it's difficult to have a conversation in front of the board when the lawyer is saying what did you say you you know uh they're trying to have a conversation and understand what's being
asked of them understanding that this is variance relief but so why don't we finish up with Mr. out and then and then you can have a private conversation about what's being requested and we can move on. >> We just want to be able to properly
>> understood question. >> No, >> we'll address that a little bit later on. >> Mr. If you could project a little bit. >> Sorry about that. as you said. Uh >> yeah, >> if we could table that for a little bit
that portion of we'll come back and address that before. >> Yeah, but that's not a question you have to have right now. Obviously, it's just something I'm asking you as to what your intent is and if you are still asking for that variance or not. >> So to answer your question, yes, we're asking for that variance at this time.
>> Okay. Um and then the lighting impact, what is the condition of the existing lighting on site? Does it currently meet our ordinance? Does it meet safety standards? Uh we did not do an analysis of the existing site but I can tell you there's it does not meet your orders
because there's two flood lights existing on the site both on the PSAG poles on each corner there are 45 degree hallogen flood light I have not done any foot candle analysis on it but just based on the fact of the type of light
there is it doesn't meet the requirement >> is your intent to bring it up into ordinance standards >> it is not we have not planned on doing any slight improvements again because we focused everything on the lease portion. >> That's that's where the focus was, >> but that's going to be our parking lot for the lease portion.
>> We're not using the parking lot. >> How do you maintain the um billboard then? >> We'll get into the billboard usage from the check. >> No, I mean I'm sorry. I'm not talking about the use variance itself, but I'm saying if if the use variance gets approved, you're going to need to
maintain that billboard. There may be emergency vehicles that may need to go to the site. Police may be able need to look at the site without proper sight lighting. How would that be addressed? >> We have not looked at the lighting at this point. >> Okay. And you're are So you're then are
you asking for relief a variance of the site lighting? >> Yes, we will. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Relief. And then maybe you'd work with the engineer and the planner on a suitable lighting plan >> to minimize the impacts. >> We can definitely work with your
professionals. If we get to that point, we can definitely >> All right. Well, that's a different point though. Are you going to ask for the variance or agree to provide the lighting? >> We're asking for the variance at this point in time. >> Okay. Thank you.
[Music] I I think there's one other point um that I wanted to bring up under the utilities uh section of my letter 7C um in regards to the existing pipe um that is that is on the property. I I know it was it was noted that um the pipes to
remain and we requested that it be updated on your plan accordingly. Do you agree to that's 77C? So this is this this ties back into the what was shown on the expert lux um one. This is the pipe that's uh adjacent but
next to the septic field. It's like run running along the property line you have indicated on here. >> Uh I'm not I'd have to take a look at >> Yeah. We will address whatever needs to be done for that fight because that's in our area. >> Okay. Thank you. [Music]
closer. It's William Atkins Drive, New Jersey. >> Was my introduction testimony of your >> Yes. And you're one of the things that you're right
small portion of the site there is an access right there with access correct um you are the president CEO of the CA enterprises correct and you and your company have significant experience
in developing billboards in New Jersey plus other states such as Delaware, New York, Florida, California. Correct. >> Correct. 35 years. >> Very good. And in fact, received one application back in 2022. Correct. And where was
that located? >> It's down where the Dollar General store is. >> You have sold your interest in that. Correct. Correct. You have no interest in that. 2930 in your opinion particularly well suited
for this proposal. >> Perfect. In fact, we applied for state the next property. You have an NJ and the existing building is currently vacant with no current use. Correct. Correct.
So the proposed billboard at this time will be the only active use of the site. Correct. And now the site is surrounded mostly primarily by commercial and industrial. So commercial industrial is what surrounds you.
In fact, we're not allowed to build signs for the state unless it's commercial. offering advertising space. Free advertising space as requested by >> Yes, we're offering a space. We do
offer a spot 700 times a day. The town can advertise whatever they want as long as it's not commercial or parades or whatever you want. And we can we And you also use weather alerts,
emergency alerts, all that local business. 12 months a year. And what happens is the local business can use this and it's a restaurant, they can change that message every day.
So, it's it's fantastic. It's like, you know, I mean, they love it. Advertisers absolutely love it. Um, will the billboard be consistent with New Jersey that there's at least
3,000 minimum distance. So, you comply with those regulations, right? at least. >> Oh yes. >> Construct. Let's talk about what taxes get paid to
the township for the approved. How does that work? >> It's between the state and the the town with the state and the state has a percentage which the town collects from it's like a separate line item billboard
tax. So whatever the bill is taxed, we pay for it. The owner of the property pay very very clear, you know what tax office. >> So is it fair to say that it's a tax
paid to the state, but the township gets share back from the state. >> Yes. >> And you'll help the tax assessor prepare those documents. Thank you. It's changed a lot over the last few years and people
never used to pay taxes for years. We've actually been doing this for years. Is this billboard to be a state of the art? Yes. Dr. How how simple is it to construct and
what will be constru very very strong in fact they've made them stronger since it was a hurricane down in Louisiana a few years ago so it's really very strong are also steel and they are very high up
here. So it's something that it's basically designed so it's not people at night the Very good. So structurally concerns. All right. Thank you. Any comment from
our professionals? I just want to backfific that's I don't know if that's something you can answer. I believe that they dropped that because there was
laid out and there's also a lease in place that you're paying money. Correct. >> So Well, you don't have to pay us approved pay, but there's a lease that's been signed. So the owner is fully aware of us being here, why we're here, the exact
position and location of this billboard and you know how it's going to be addressed. I did ask I did ask the owner because I did a title search. >> So I didn't get that.
>> This is a site plan on the same property that sort of seem to prior approval. It's not you didn't present it as an amendment. It's just a new applicant. The old perfected and constructed. So they don't
have to really abandon it. It just it goes away by operation I think of law if this were to be approved because it's going to >> No, I agree with that. That's why you discuss the
priorit question. Do you have any provisions in your lease for when property does get sold? Do you have any lease for when property does get sold? Usually if the
billboard is not that use then there's usually some wind down. I hope that doesn't happen, but there are towns where there's old analog billboards that are up there. But this one I think we do have in the
prior application we did have some wind down question. >> You have no you have no concern. resolution that says that opportunity to make sure
it's got money. I have I have a quick question maybe to our professionals. Um they commented that this is going to be a tax um revenue generator. We really can't consider that as part of our approval of our application. Can we
>> correct? You can consider the public benefit to the township in terms of whether something like this has a unique revenue enhancement. It's sort of an element. It's not the major element. The other
major parts of it are just it's particularly suited. It's it's a small sort of subset I would say of that but shouldn't be the overwhelming overwhelming factor for your consideration. >> Yeah. We just raised it to the point of
just being positive criteria test. This goes to that in our opinion because it is unique in how itffects state. It's incumbent the town.
>> Okay. We'll make sure that questions from our board members professionals. What determines the size? I mean, obviously multiple build is that
>> that's a standard size. >> That's a standard size, but you would be opposed to making it smaller. >> Excuse me. >> Would you be opposed to making it smaller? It's not really appropriate because we sell the sign and
exact size and we do see smaller signs but these 14 by 48 are being built. You know what I'm saying? >> They're all 148 >> big with I95 14 by 48
>> 20 x 60 16 by 60 14 by 48 average size the most average size what would you say the most common size of the digital >> ones and then I guess the other questions so we give them all the variant once we approve
101 maybe they have a new plan that's coming in that variance. >> So if we variances right now the next person that comes in technically those variances carry over to that one. So
>> if we were to exacerbate well the owner would technically not you though. >> Well the owner the owner that they're ask >> but it still goes to the property. >> Yeah it runs the land. It runs the land.
>> So we're offering relief to the entire property for a small entity. Correct. >> Again, relative to what's presented, he's asking for variance for setback. If someone comes in future building that
same setback, that would be expanding on that. It's it's a good possibility that a new application may not say the very for this specific piece of back
is related to the billboard itself. where it is and check all the billboards on 30 line up. >> All the signs up down the road. Most of the signs down
the road will be lined up the same. So we're not asking that sign off stand where the signs are see they're all kind of lined up unless they're really old. So I guess
the concern is we got a primary set back so that somebody can now come and another application and get the same setback because of this application. I think the answer to that would be no because this was specific to this use
if it's if it's related to some other use they would have to come in and ask for that relief. And you have the ability at that point to say well we don't want the building. Well, I think there's some argument that the setback is running
>> correct. You're asking for a building that's expanding on that. Correct. That's increasing the size of that. Instead of being one point, it's now greater. So, they would not
If there's a building that comes back in the future that is set back further variance variances carry their own separate requirements. So for this particular billboard would only be for this
billboardic variances are much more restrictive and much more again they come in with a building it's another ft building that's expand Yeah. And I can address your specific
question that to address that issue question. >> I have another question. Okay. So, you're saying now all the signs on 130 are lined up. >> What about the heights? >> The heights are all different. All the signs like what I've noticed in doing
this for so many years I We'll try to line up our sign the way all the signs are so that we're not sticking out. And we found we found that most of them are lined up, but the buildings are completely different aspect. I mean, they're completely different.
You're not going to build a building with the same setback as your sign. This is truly a sign. So, now your sign now is going to be higher than a lot of other signs. So, we might have all our signs line up, but now we're going to
have all these They're all different. >> Okay. Jay, do we know how many billboards can actually be constructed on 130 if they're all what 30,000? >> It's one every 3,000. >> Again, our prohibits billboard any would
have to come to you. They have to meet. >> Okay. So, it's not a given that everyone gets a billboard. >> Not right. Does DOT have a say in that? >> Do has a big they can't construct it if they don't have a DOT permit and DOT
looks at >> 3000. That's where the 3000 comes in. >> So D has already further comment from All right. Anything else? Uh, no strategies. All right. Thank you.
John Tobias. He's an engineer, Ph.D. full name. >> Good evening. Michael your education. >> Sure.
I have the bachelor's degree in physics university. degree in electrical engineering technology. After that technology my experience is over
33 years or so as an engineer. I worked for the department of army as an engineer and I have consulting privately now. cont. And do we have any objections from this board's credentials?
>> All right. Please proceed. >> You heard some general testimony tonight. >> Sure. So the dig is constructed on a steel pole rated for
15 mph winds each will consume about as much electricity depends on the basically think about it of computer screen
really on the other hand on this I think it's 1950 So they work. One of the things which I can do if you like. >> It's cold in here. >> Well, if you're asking
minimum seconds, So improh. So it's like a static message doesn't have moving >> any kind of some people in fact I was on the way over
I think it's the church that particular similar to a static billboard. No animation, no flashing, no >> correct. >> So as you descri That's where the numbers come from. So
just to put it in perspective, right? So car is going down 130. So that transit time is about chances are anybody driving
issue. just explain how >> yes I think it does sorry drawing the blank but effectively so some of their concerns going. So you know most people think well first
of all a large degree particularly because it's the same concern Very good. >> Yeah. The questionirect. What is Obviously
market roughly 400 typically there's a number of studies that are done and so I'll get the information from the manufactur they all come up pretty close
Can you speak into the mic? >> So if you can imagine a range of where I'm standing now. If you're put again going back to what was
before and depends. range of 57 that's going to come off in most for something parking lot.
>> I believe you have a photo map. the closest thing when we get that allows us to evalu ordinance. basically
prohibits impropion and lights. How will this billboard? >> Well, I think I spoke to most of them already, right? I suppos I completely understand. So, um I think
that Yeah, it's like ask the difference here for general lighting. It's not for signs are meant to be seen. So even if you had regulent. something like
this. We don't have obviously standards or not but the concern is again Even the lights you have to see obviously but doesn't
typically applic But you don't have any ability to tell us now wise. >> Oh, okay. So, um
when people talk about what do you mean? So, What is defined as a severe contrast in the visual field that causes discomfort or in some cases
disability which would be just the I might have done this. So this is right. So that's uncomfortable. On the other hand, what you're really seeing with
the billboard is the same picture of the car, right? The property is actually luminance, right? So scale
number 10,000. So the sign during the day will scale up, but there's no contrast. Right. The sign will actually step down. I get what you're saying. It's not
easent properties from this. >> No, I can't imagine. I think that one of the things we were talking parking lot. So to your point, you're correct. Sometimes security I think some of those
requirements might first of all So any impact from that is actually kind of Well, if you're on an experience seriously
Jason question follow question based off that exactly is there a fail safe place supposed to be stepping down doesn't step down
or is there >> it's monitor >> yeah I mean basically like many other things has built so
if you will get this and it could be I've done it during testing and I call into the center and turn it off. Okay. Whatever I want. I think I asked you. >> Oh yeah, very much so. If you're if
you're a little closer, is the proposed lighting within? >> Yes. >> Absolutely. >> Based on your testimony, you have no concerns, you have no concerns, right?
>> No, I think that the amount of map in a range of 250. Sorry, >> I heard you talked about
I think it's called the auto scale right that's >> built into the systemair prevented auto >> correct and this is what we're proposing
consistent with billboards and not just a couple weeks ago. I have no further questions. >> Can you just repeat what the fail me agreed to when they're asking about the
lighting? What was the condition? >> Was that that the dim request township >> complaint's problems. We don't anticipate that issue, but
we're happy to do it. But the way these are designed, we don't anticipate one more question. I don't know. Yeah, but I can tell you somebody else wants to answer
the plan. Yeah, pretty much remembering. What you don't want is excit We're not aware of any concerns particular concerns
anyway. We're not aware of any issues that I have the same looks like it's the same very similar professionals,
board members. >> Yeah, I have a good question. Um, I just went on Google Earth to really take a look at this exact location. I'm looking at it and if you go across the street from 130 is an empty lot and behind the
empty lot is a bunch of apartments. Is that TBM Chase Apartments? >> So, Could if someone was looking out their apartment window, would they be seeing this sign? >> So then it is going to be affecting the
residential area of 57. So you're looking at something that would be ring at the end of your rot with the sun. It's going to be lit 247
and changing every n or eight seconds. So you if you if you were living in these apartment buildings because right now there's a huge empty lot between the apartments and 130. The residents are going to be able to see this.
>> Well, I can respond to that. That empty lot may not be an empty lot forever. They get developed. So the residents could be looking out the back of a building. They could be looking at back a parking lot lit up. There's a lot of things that could affect that future
>> which would help shield This property is not an island on Route 130. There are other signs. There are other lengths. There's a highway. All of which can be viewed from any res.
So to single this out and say, "Oh, you're impacting possibly public." You can say that about any sign on 13. You can say that about the traffic on 130. So I just I just want to point that out. >> Right. But we're we're charged to this application and its implications,
>> right? And you're charged to look at it reasonably uh and you know take into consideration, >> but it also could also one day it could be developed as a park. We don't know it could be anything. So right now it's a
clear lot and these people are going to be able to see it from there. That's all I want to say. Thank you. >> All right. Anybody else? I did have one question as far as like the lumens question. Do we is there
determination on how many lumens this distributes or is that regulated for a size? >> Um I get asked that question from time to time maybe I'll say the question will l dictated by the size. So you have 14 by
48 opposed to 12 >> or 12 by 14 or 10 by 30. the thing that I spoke of before right. So bottom line is
the intensity of its per luminance. a street light or something like that intensity right off my head intensity intensity
But just as a general movement question intensity of the movement is greater when you have more. >> How about the impact on the actual reach?
No, the go a little bit but not shine. It turns out I did this a while ago. Look at the amount of light that's falls off. between
the reflected one of the white maxivity forgot to mention this question is all those numbers I gave you perfect'll Never. So
for example numbers closest. To make sure nobody ever >> is there to impart >> what do we
handles of this bill will be on property. 200 double situation and that's looking straight on >> correct function.
I just gave you >> Mr. Chairman, at this time I don't know if you have any advance any traffic questions, but I truck here. We don't believe there's any traffic impingifications. Any objection to accept objections? Go ahead. Correct.
>> You heard my introductory statement. You >> correct. >> I know you site plan and supporting documents. Is there anything you want to add as any traffic impacts with this? >> Yeah, typically safety and I think
mention that in his review is the issue with regard to our test uh and it has been shown through what the DOT has put together in terms of safety. That's the purpose of the regulations and the
regulations are very specific about what you need to comply with. Some of those things have already been talked about with regard to changeable to move have that certain spacing. It has to be in a certain zone. So all those things have been complied with and in effect the
federal government put it on the states to come up with regulations on their own so that they could provide safe uniformity within each state. Ironically, there are differences in in some states. I know one of the things we talked about already is 8 seconds dwell
time for the message. Some states have a little bit less well time. So, New Jersey was a little bit more conservative in terms of uh when the sign actually changes uh to be a little bit more conservatively safe. So, uh with regard to safety, I don't think there's any issue with regard to the
research that I've done with regard to the regulations DOT has put together. I've also seen some before and after studies of sites with without billboards when billboards have been incorporated into the overall plan and there has been
any change in the experience. So I think for all those factors there is no safety element that exists access to protect from >> yes and do with the peritting for billboard there's no additional pering
with access. I think that might have been one of Ed's either questions or something came up about that. Uh because it doesn't generate traffic what the average traffic would be or the peak hour traffic is zero. You might have maintenance that's done on a on a six month basis or something like that
construction and that's it. So it really doesn't. Sorry to interrupt. So you're saying you don't need >> Well, actually we do, but it's just for the Any questions from our production? >> Unfortunately, I didn't bring what I've
used in a couple other cases. Uh it was a comparison of what NJ do requires us to have for the lighting. intersection and it was like 10 times what this throws off 100. So 100 ft from the traffic
signaling ways. Anything for our board members? >> Yeah, question. Um just how how was the overall distraction? Um we're all hearing now distracted driving, distracted driving and who drives down 130. If you're not paying 100% in front
of you paying attention, you're going to get hit or or hit somebody. So now with these billboards going up, I can't imagine any worse of an area to make any more distractions than 130. So I'm not quite sure.
I'm not like So you're saying you're almost like looking like a little like a cell phone as you're driving by. We're not supposed to be even on our cell phones as we're driving. So, how could a billboard not be distracting? And the whole purpose of it is to get drivers attention. So,
>> I can explain to you what what the studies say because it was for me it was an interesting read. It might not be an interesting read. Uh, but the what they studied was how much you glance while you're driving. What do you glance at? And it just
wasn't billboards. It was all glances that you're taking as you're driving along. And then they measured the duration and what became quote less safe was anything over 1.6 seconds and billboards did not function any
differently in terms of a roadside glance than a sign that says exit here for can be chased. It's the same kind of less than 1.6 seconds glance and so you're not unsafe with that glance. What is unsafe and it's documented in the
studies are things like shaving while you're driving on your cell phone when you're driving. Therefore, restrictions with regard to what you're supposed to do with your cell phone, putting on makeup when you're driving. It was really interesting to see what the real distractions were that went over that
1.6 seconds. Billboards did not go over that. So, you can almost think of it the same as a directional sign. You glance at you get the information, you keep driving. And that's the reli
complies with the state regulations. Correct. >> Based on that correct J maybe could you just maybe there's a reason why we don't permit them in our town. Is there has there been has there been something saying that why
Delan doesn't want billboards in town? >> Is there something specifically prohibits that they're inconsistent with our master planist or obviously there's aesthetics as well
as distractions as well as you know traffic tend to be and I understand the point. It's very points tend to have more on them than just
intersection signs for example, street signs, roadway signs. But again, the goal was to aesthetics within the area. his comitted on these signs
from state. Is there a prohibited? Obviously, there's more more messaging that's more distracting than others. I can tell you exactly what the regulation says.
There's no allowance of flashing intermittent moving. So, I think somebody referred to it as a static message. That's basically what it is. It's digital, but it's a static message. It doesn't move. It doesn't change, doesn't
it? So, the difference is between digital and true static change, but it's still but like for example, they want to put my face. Is that permitted versus you know
having there Obviously, one more is distracting the other. >> Yeah. In terms of what you put on the billboard, but if you were trying to advertise yourself
as a real estate agent, you probably ask because there's obviously more billboards, things like that. There's a lot more I can't Imag. So I think what you're asking is is
there prohibition from the state as to the amount of information >> no from my perspective I think it's self the advertisers know so that study did it include
material on the billboards. >> It was digital and static, >> but it didn't provide that comes to my mind. You're driving down the road,
you're spend your car. >> Let me give you a better example. decided to flash the score of the Eagles game on there. Is is that like is that something that is technically not obvious,
but is that something more >> in my opinion? No. So to follow that I don't know discussed So does the state have prohibited mention really
we tell our clients don't put any more than five words on it. Some people like to put the ten commandments and it doesn't work but you can't tell people what you know we don't we don't accept like gentleman's clubs or anything like that
but the free speech people it's like telling people what you can't put on television it's >> commercial speech has different limitations than free speech Commercial speech definitely can be regulated. So they
can't put obscene material up there. >> I guess the answer to all these questions professionals is we will comply with the state standards. That's what we are obligated to do and that's what we're
here to present to you testimony is that what we will do. So that's our that's our charge. Uh and you know whether he comparing this to signs on the road signs regular signs. My my office has my phone number. It's been signal
Mr. South's office had his phone this sign had his phone number on it in these are things that occur on a regular basis with regular signs. So when I'm driving and I'm looking at the places to go and I see that that's part of the
normal course of driving this would be no different than a regular sign which actually probably will be harder to read and probably be more distracted by this proliferation of them everywhere and peritted under. So I just want to make that point that
our charge here is to follow the state regulations because these billboards are regulated by the state of New Jersey. Any other thoughts or comments for Mr. M take a break
on 9:00. Would that be acceptable to the board? Just take a short recess. >> We have one more professional to speak which is our planner go through that testimony after the break and then that's it. motion for >> that's the reality
if you fine warm up >> I think we can >> I'm sure other people like warm complain. >> It's in and out as far as the the sound for this. >> I forgot to bring my heater. >> I'm bringing We're getting a group group
discount on the heater. Um I'm going to Right in my behind here. >> I know. I bought it, but it just wasn't heavy enough for my >> Does somebody not know how to use the air? >> They they have one setting. They have no
adjustment of the temperature. >> The heat's the same way. >> If it's like a factory and they never they when they converted over they never did anything with. >> So my office goes up to 80. 98 degrees in the winter time because the heat's so
hot. And right now the front offices have no air at all, but everybody else has air to press the energy. >> It's an easy fix. Just >> and I have to keep leaving my office to get to get cooled down.
>> Yeah. Or put a couple thermostats in and regulate this. It's a waste of resources. >> Yeah. Because all that money's going literally out the door. [Music] See?
I have a chance. I'm sitting here like done. Aesthetically disgust. I did get a car when I drove you. [Music] It's a shame. Last time I was here looking sh >> It was brutal in here the other day. It
was so bad. I was in here for like five minutes and my hands were ice cold and I went into Kelly. I was like, "Bill," she said, "Oh my god, >> it was worse in here the other day." >> I don't know how it could be.
>> It was absolutely >> brutal. It was brutal. >> I came in here. >> Were you like doing your Were you doing your Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Yeah. Go ahead. I'm really freezing by now.
>> Did you hear that? >> I'm like Do you need a blanket? I have another There's a blanket in um >> I know we're going to have to come in with like mittens probably
Huh? Jake mentioned it first. Wait a minute. We can't play. >> What if we Oh, you're right. >> Shut down. >> Shut me down.
>> My toes, my feet are freezing. It's like on this. >> No. You would think that and but that would have been the first thing that they would have zoned. >> So this whole this whole big building
the whole thing is under one thermostat >> and then a boiler or something like that for >> Yeah. Like it's nobody's allowed to touch the onoff back there. >> They got like cameras on it but they don't have cameras. People going out to
their vehicles in case they get jumped or And it's pitch dark. >> Yeah, they have cameras on that. >> Make this stuff up if you could. >> I know, right? >> Okay.
My husband gave me those those handwriters. I'll bring them in next time. That would be if you had them on the palms of your hand. >> So, was Dave also gonna be out next? Uh >> yeah, we might have three.
>> That's two out. So like Mary's out. That would be that would be fun. >> Well, I only have one out and I have just enough people. >> We have >> seven regulars. >> Joyce was an ultimate though, right?
>> Yeah. Joyce. We got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So only one person abroad. That would be >> and we could >> but
>> they won't accept us and so on. >> And this this applicant wants the full board, right? >> Yeah. Yep. >> They want so glad everybody. >> I think so. I think so. I guess I was
surprised there were no more this month. >> We got no life. We got nothing going on here. >> I down to uh I down to West Virginia next month like during the time of the during the time of the previously scheduled board meeting.
I was like, "Wait a minute, wait, this is during the board meeting." Because I normally Thursday I normally don't go any Thursday. So, >> okay. >> I head down to West Virginia. That's my travel day. Nice. >> And then coming back on Sunday.
>> Is it for pleasure or what is >> going out hiking? There's like waterfalls I wanted to see. Going to take my kayak out. >> Oh, I love I wish I could do that stuff. >> I miss being able to do like that. I love it.
>> I'll sit down and just look at all nature and enjoy it. >> Oh, yes. Thank you. Mr. Chair, would you let the lightsaber? >> I'm good. >> Okay. Winter might be still not
there. yet. >> This is what the guys told me to do this. >> You clicked the recess. Can you turn it off? That's the problem. [Music] >> Actually, Mr. Chairman,
we thank you, by the way. We went outside and discussed the application uh and how it's progressing uh and just the sense that my client has as to how book says it's progressing. So at this time uh we're going to withdraw the application.
We're not going to proceed any further. So we appreciate your time tonight. We appreciate listening to us. [Applause] Thank you for coming. Thank you for the applause, ladies and gentlemen. >> We'll discuss how
We'll need to have something in writing. We appreciate that. >> Yeah, we'll provide it in writing. So, we didn't mean to waste anyone's time. We wanted to put our best, >> you know, presentation we could, but >> Could you Could you repeat that again? Uh, just to get the mics. >> We're going to withdraw the application
and we'll work with your council to provide the appropriate letter to withdraw it. Okay. But we appreciate your time. We didn't mean to waste your time, but um, feedback is always important and I think we're getting a lot of feedback, so we appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Um, you want to hear from the public? >> Can we can we hear from the public on this? Because it's not >> all right. Let me >> All right. >> Just one thing I wanted to explain to the public is that that's withdrawn. So,
we can't entertain comment on it. We don't need to. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Would it be appropriate to open it to the public? Unrelated. >> All right. And in that case, can I get a
motion to open this to the uh public? >> Now it's not. >> All in favor? I >> All right. Uh we're open to the public. If any members of the public wanted to speak on a matter other than the previous application we just heard, uh
you're welcome to speak. >> And seeing no members of the public coming up to speak, I move to close this. >> And close. >> All right. In our favorite part, motion to adjourn. >> Whoa. Whoa. Who gave me a motion? Mary
first, second by >> Mary. >> Got it. >> All right. >> Good night everybody. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Well, then
>> I would have got my blanket. >> That was >> See, that was the curse.