You good? >> All right, we're going to call this meeting to order. Can we stand and salute the flag, please? >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Thank you. Uh Jamie, could you read the sunshine statement, please? Be advised that proper notice has been given by the Township Council in accordance with the sunshine law in the following manner. Notice advertised in the Burlington County Times and Camden Carrier Post on
January 8th, 2025 and posted on the bulletin board on the same date. >> We get a roll call, please. >> Mr. Marorrow >> here. >> Mrs. Aadu >> here. >> Mr. Smith >> here. >> Mr. Jenny here. >> Mr. Lion >> here. All right. Got a short uh work session today. First up, we have the
discussion ordinance change chapter 1550-7 fire safety fees and chapter 162 fire prevention. And uh my understanding is the fire department um got a audited or
whatnot and the only thing they found was we need to update um that section of the code to come in line with the state. Do you want to expound on that at all? Um, >> no, there's not much else to to say. Um, Joe Cunningham Jr. brought this to me
and these were the two areas that the auditor found that they needed to adjust and um, if you guys are okay with it or if you have any questions, um, we'd like to have Al draft an ordinance to get this incorporated into the code. Yeah, basically from what I'm gathering on
this, it's just the difference is that it's it's updating um the enforcement piece and adding the federal, state, and county owned properties. Anything Al you wanted to touch on on this? >> Um no, you covered it the language in
the one section where it talks about duties of the local enforcing agency. It talks about what properties they're going to be looked at. Um, and then it says other than owner occupied one and two family dwellings. And then it adds the language federal, state, and county owned properties. Um, and then in the
enforcement section under the fire safety fees, it looks like we they are just asking or the auditor is asking to add some language regarding if the penalty is not paid within 30 days. The same can be recovered under New Jerseys penalty enforcement law. That's a law
that allows the township municipalities to go after people for unpaid penalties. Um, so this uh new language would just make it clear that you have that option. >> All right. Um, council, any any questions, thoughts, concerns? >> Sounds like uh getting line with the
state on that one. >> Okay. >> All right. All right. Next up is the discussion on pool rentals. Um, and uh, this was brought up. We're have there's some issues in surrounding areas
out Um, do you want me to kick that over to you? >> Sure, if you want. Um, yeah. So, I saw that it was on the agenda this evening, and I don't know if it's an issue you've been having in town. No, >> I was at a public meeting in Burlington County last night that went many hours because it was uh they had to let people
in the room piece by piece because the fire code didn't allow enough people into the room. Um there was a so there's an application or a website called Swimply that allows people to simply rent their swimming pool out to essentially anyone who wants to rent it out. Um that could be you know two or
three people who want to come swim at your pool or that could be someone who's going to rent out your pool and then post social media invitations on every social media site possible and then have it turn to be a 200 person swim party which this one was. uh it kind of
spilled over to the neighboring homes. People were passed out on front lawns. Um streets, driveways were blocked, streets were blocked. Um I did see an article today about one that happened in Sichlerville as well. So it seems like this is something that's happening um throughout the state. I think the
website from what I understand uh came into operation last year. So it's a relatively new website. um the party that we were talking about in this town that they went online during the meeting and saw that he has several other nights scheduled directly on this application or this website. Um so we looked into a
bit there and then I did see it on your agenda tonight. So I think um it's up, you know, obviously you guys want to discuss this. I do know that some municipalities are looking to ban the ability to rent out accessory structures or portions of your property. So it's not like you're renting out your whole
property. uh with this site and what other sites allow you to do is just rent out your swimming pool, uh rent out your garage, maybe rent out your backyard for a party, um things of that nature. So, there's a couple of there's a few approaches. Uh one approach is to do
nothing. A second approach is to just ban it outright, which some municipalities are starting to do. And a third approach would be to allow it, but regulate it in some way. In other words, attach rules and restrictions to it. Um that can be also for the short-term
rentals which are a little bit different but some municipalities are also starting to look at the Airbnb uh VBO kind of short-term rental thing uh kind of in the same vein because besides the swimming pools there have been some situations where someone will uh maybe rent out their house for a day
or for the weekend kind of go somewhere else leave town and then whoever it is that rents the property out uh throws a large party and you end up in a similar situation uh with respect to the short-term rentals It's kind of the same approach. Most of the towns have nothing on the books with respect to that, but
they're starting to put some ordinances in effect. And with respect to those, it's kind of the same breakdown. It's either just restricted entirely or allow it. Uh, you know, you have to come and get a license for it. Any rental that's 30 days or below would require some type of license. And then there's rules that
go into effect. Uh, those rules can limit the amount of occupants. Those rules can restrict visitors. Those rules could restrict parties. Uh those rules could require someone to be within a certain mileage radius that can manage the property. Um so the options are somewhat limitless with both of these
things. They're both pretty new things that municipalities are now beginning to tackle, especially the the swimming pool rental. Um so with that said, I mean, we certainly welcome your discussion, feedback, but whatever it is you guys want to do, uh we can effectuate through an ordinance.
>> All right. Um council, any any thoughts on this? I mean, because we also have to in mind. Um, do we want to re totally restrict like Airbnbs or stuff like that or regulate it? Um, I know that with
next year the World Cup uh coming up, what's going on across the river with the nation's birthday and the Allstar game? Um, there was going to be an influx, I was reading somewhere today, of probably a half a million people or
more. Um, so they're all going to need places to stay. Um, I don't know what any thoughts on do we want to regulate it or ban it or >> and I Yeah, sorry. I hate to jump in here, but
>> when I saw this on the agenda, um, first thing I did was I went on the website because I wanted to see is there anyone in Delran currently doing it? Nobody in Delran currently has a pool. So >> this isn't a we have >> a pool that they're renting, >> right? like this isn't a okay this is
tomorrow we're going to have an issue and I understand what you're saying with you know with next year and um but it sounds a lot like and I would hate to put more work on our police force but it's really more of a police issue then I I understand the large party thing but
you know um Jamie and I were speaking earlier and if it's considered like a small business like if you're running if you're fixing lawnmowers at your house we have a permit it's a lifetime permit it's $25. I don't know if we require that for Airbnb or anything along those
lines. Um, but I think that's something that we should take a look at. >> I think it it melds into what we're trying to do with having people that rent places register and that kind of >> and that exact thing. >> I mean, because listen, I I used Airbnbs when I travel. So, I'm I'm not trying to
call the kettle black, you know, that that Whoa, this is horrible because I do take advantage of it when I go other places, right? >> But they're I'm assuming they're regulated or whatnot. And, you know, I'm just
>> I'm not throwing wild parties at some places, right? And that and and that was another see that was an important question that I had about this. It's not about restricting people from doing whatever they're going to do with their I mean, it's their pool. It's their backyard. But do we have say an ordinance or is
there something in place and Al maybe you can answer this where there's based on your space? Okay, I have 0.25 acres. It's encompassed by a an Olympic size pool. You're only allowed 30 people, 40, whatever that number might be. I don't
know what that number is because it sounds like the problem with this is people are renting these pools out and two, 300 people are showing up. They're disrupting the neighborhood. They're blocking traffic. >> Yeah, I think you could get at that with just with the nuisance stuff that you have on the books. I mean, obviously any
kind of large party, there's probably a number of ways that the police can enforce whether it's nuisance, whether it's noise, whether it's things of that nature. Um, and with the pool itself, I mean, if someone is renting out the pool and charging income for it and then also maybe charging people to come, the partygoers, u you might be able to get
into it from a zoning aspect as well too because again, the pool is an accessory structure to well, an accessory to the home, it's a residential use, but when it becomes a commercial use, it might give you some inroad there as well. Um, which is what gives you the ability to potentially ban it too because again, it's it almost becomes a zoning issue at
that point, >> right? Well, the reason why I was asking is what what is the difference between say I want to uh repair lawnmowers in my garage. Yep. And I get this permit for 25 because essentially it's a business. That's what they're that's what they're doing. They're renting out their pool
whether it's somebody who I know that there's people out there that you know they store um what do you call that where you throw the bag and the the cornhole games and tables and things like and they rent them out of their garage. Um, so I understand this is a little bit of a different business because it falls
into that almost the Airbnb or if somebody's renting, but I don't know. Really? >> Yeah. I mean, it's And I brought up the one Cherry Hill had a problem because the old Muhammad Ali property. Somebody bought it and turned it into an Airbnb
and all of a sudden they were having these crazy parties in this quiet exclusive neighborhood and it became a nuisance and then it ended up, you know, after the fact having to try to regulate it or whatnot. So, I mean, I listen, I
don't have the answer, you know. I mean, it's like Al said, we do nothing. We put some kind of regulations in it or we ban it all together. So, I I don't know if anybody wants to chime in. >> Yeah, I would just say that uh I'd like
to get u some input from the public, you know, before we, you know, take any action on it. I just think that I understand, you know, obviously not wanting to have huge, you know, gatherings and and neighborhoods, uh things like that, but at the same time, you know, I'll make it up. You know, if
someone has a graduation pool party, right? Right. You know, so like where do we you know, >> right? Where do we draw the line? When when do we actually start over regulating that? >> So that's So I'd like to get um you know, some input from the public before we
>> go down that road. >> Oh, not too many. >> Yeah. Too many turn off. Well, um, my thing is I see too many problems already. I don't see the benefits outweighing the, uh, issues we might
have, but I don't know. My other thing I would say, let the public decide. Let the, uh, town people vote on it, put in a referendum, and then we can regulate. Because sometimes it might look like a good idea until it's implemented and
then you see all these problems and then we have whole new can of worms. Do the residents want something like that in Delran? That's my thought. Oh, good. You want a just want to say um you know what we're talking about here
isn't about people having graduation parties and people having to cook out of there. This is somebody running out their backyard to make a profit and then they're not there and all hell breaks loose. We have a hard enough time in our township controlling the home
rails. Um I've seen um over the past uh year or so of these incidences where um whether it's a party that somebody holds at their home or a township holds and
unruly crowds show up um our our police department can't handle that and then they bring in other departments in um we have a shortage of officers now. Um
I I I have a problem with um with this. Um if you want to have a party, private party, that's different. That's nothing that's not this this is something that um that can get out of control real fast like Al spoke about. I'm sure the public
uh in that um in that community room or wherever it was held. I'm sure most of them were against the rentals. I'm not sure how that most of the speaking was against it. But you just if you live next door to something like this and this goes
off, you don't want to hear excuses that the township didn't pass an ordinance or something because they're going to come after us because now we're responsible because we didn't do anything. We're having a discussion about. So now we can't go back say well we didn't know about it. So we do have to make a decision now that we're having the
discussion and um you know we don't have to make that decision tonight obviously because I think this needs um some more investigation. um by each council member and um myself before we go any further with this, but it's something that is
serious. Um what about somebody drowns in a pool? What happens then? So um you know people drink, we all know that. I was young once. We all party hardy. Um but we didn't have big big ass school um excuse
me big ass um pool parties. Sorry about that. But we didn't have those things, right? We hung out in the backyard. Somebody had a couple beers and everybody went home. But that's not what this is. This is people coming from all over the place. We don't know where they're coming or anything because once
it hits that social media, it's the floodgates. And matter of fact, on Netflix right now, there is a program about a girl who was holding a 16th birthday party and it got out of control. It's on Netflix. >> We just watched it. We just
>> 300,000 people showed up on Project X >> over in England. I think it was in England. >> Um >> that's how I feel about it. Okay, guys. Um you know how I feel about protecting our neighborhoods. Um you know how I feel about the quality of life in our neighborhoods. So, you know, I think
it's a good discussion, one that we need. >> But that's how I feel about. >> I'm going to add one more piece to go ahead. You want to go first? >> Yeah. And I was just going to say the other thing. Um Shoot, I just lost my train of thought. But it has to do with safety, right? Um
like there was this horrible incident I learned about, you know, years ago where somebody was having a party. They put it on Facebook and people showed up and there were people with guns and somebody got hurt. So, um,
somebody um repairing their lawnmower in in in a garage is I'm repairing my lawnmower or if I'm doing it as a business, I'm responsible. But if I have somebody else come in to repair the lawnmower and run in my garage, then that's a total different kind of
business. So, it's not the same thing in my mind, and I think it's a little risky. And I'll say this again. We need the township. We need residents to weigh in. >> I agree. Um I will say this. Um sometimes when we look at these things,
we look at these things from maybe the bad side. Okay. And one bad apple obviously ruins the the bushel. Um you have in one neighbor who maybe has a huge party and the police are called and everything else. But I'm going to use a
personal thing for like me and my wife. We're talking about for our daughter loves glow stuff and she wants to do a glow party. Now we don't have a pool, but here's a service where maybe we can rent and we're talking about eight and nine year old kids. So the majority of this
I I don't think that what we're talking about is this is everybody looking to throw a rave that I don't think that's what this service is. I think this service is just like you said, my child's graduating eighth grade. We want to have a pool party. We can't afford to rent one of the big commercial pools,
but somebody for a few hundred bucks away. I don't know what the fee is. Um, they want to have it. So, and I love your idea about putting it to referendum and letting, you know, let's hear what everybody has to say about it. And I can't wait to hear public comment on that because everybody's everybody's ears perked up the minute we brought
this subject up. Um, so I I I don't want to penalize the mass people who are looking to do something good for that one or two that may be getting out of hand. I just want to keep that in mind when we're thinking about it.
>> I I think it's probably more than one or two. I think if people want to do a rental for a pool or whatever, they want to rent a house out for entertainment, do they have insurance? What kind of insurance do they have? God forbid, like as suggested, God forbid something
happens, somebody gets hurt or worse, who's responsible for that? Uh, normally uh when you do a uh event at a rental place, you fill out a contract and you have an application as to what's going to happen there and they have the restrictions listed. There's this is
open space. People start doing this. It's not going to be one weekend. They're going to be doing it. Uh, in fact, Al mentioned earlier that the people they looked into in that situation he mentioned they had one scheduled every weekend. That's disrespectful to the neighbors, to the
neighborhood, the parking, the safety, the noise, the light. Uh, we have enough residents in town who I've talked to who complain because their neighbors have lights that shine into their yard and brighten up at night and they go to 3:00 or 4 in the morning. They he called 911
and the operator asked him to please go inside the house because the m or turned his music down. He said, "I'm in the house." That's how loud it was. So, I just see this really getting out of control. There's no reason to have to rent the pool. Uh if they want to rent one, they can rent it commercially or if
they have a friend, they can do that. But we've had too many instances around this uh state and around the country where young people are out of control and they look as an opportunity to create chaos and I I do not think it's a good idea to I think we should restrict
it totally. >> All right. I think uh we need to do some more discussions like um take a look at um what we should do from even a standpoint if if somebody has it wants
to use their home as an Airbnb do they have to register like a rental and uh provide insurance and whatnot and do you put limits if you have a you know obviously a four bedroomedroom house you can't rent more than 10 I'm just making numbers up you know stuff like that So,
I think it does warrant more discussion. Um, whether we're going to regulate it, prohibit it, or go let the chips fall where they may. I I think that that's what we need to take a look at at at this point. You know, like
I said, you know, I use the Airbnb thing, but it's just myself or another couple going on vacation. We're there for a week, >> right? It's a company. we sign a contract, you know, we have rules, we have to, you know, leave it clean, stuff
like that. >> Um, then again, I'm 64 and not throwing rage parties anymore, you know. So, I I I think it's a good discussion and and um we we should discuss it. If you get want chime in a little bit more, go ahead.
>> No, just one more thing. Can we do a survey of the town residents? >> Sure. We can put it out there. So, I'm not the I'm not the social media person. where we at with the social >> we're we're very close to that and that's that's something I I love your idea about putting a survey out there
and seeing and let let's find out how people you know how the people out there you know feel about it but isn't it interesting how something as simple as we're talking about a pool guys and there's that much discussion and sometimes it just amazes me all right um
let's move on to the discussion of the bid threshold and I'm going to kick that over to our administrator, please. >> Thank you. Um, so last week I received an email from our um, QPA or qualified purchasing agent that the state
treasurer has increased the minimum bid threshold and when the state increases the minimum bid threshold, it allows the towns in New Jersey that have a QBA to also increase the bid threshold. Um the new threshold would take it from 44,000
to 53 for the bids and um from 66 to 7,950 for quotes. Um we don't have to do it. We can remain where we are at 44 and 66 or we can go up we can go somewhere in between or up to the maximum. Um when
we did this a few years ago, we went up to the state maximum. But if we if we wanted to do this, a resolution is needed. So, I just put it on the agenda to see. >> Yeah, it would give us more flexibility. Um, and I and whether the intent is to
raise these keeping with inflation or something. Yeah, I'm assuming that's probably why it's going up and they do it periodically, correct? >> Yeah. I want to I want to say it's either five or 10 years that they do this >> that go up.
>> Yeah. I mean, from the standpoint of flexibility, I I think it's a good idea to move it to there. Um, anybody else want to chime in on that? >> I would I would agree with that. I think with the price of everything changing, the bids are going to be higher and opportunities are going to be there to
take advantage of the purchases we can make under threshold. So, I think we should, you know, raise up to the appropriate event. >> Yeah, I think going to the state level makes sense. >> Anybody else? Ditto. >> Ditto. >> Yep. All right.
>> Okay. So, we'll put that resolution on for the August public meeting. >> Correct. That'll be awesome. >> All right. Moving on. We have our consent agenda resolution. >> I thought you were going to do that in your report.
>> No, no. This is part of the discussion. I thought we were going to discuss this >> the I wanted. >> Sure. >> That's all right. >> Yeah. Sorry. >> No, no, no, no. I you said earlier you were going to make >> No, no, no. The other Yeah, I'm going to report the other what we talked about at the end.
>> So, that's part of my report. This is just part of the engineering discussion. Okay. >> That um >> so everybody got a >> I just gave you kind of a brief outline as to what I was thinking. And so what I'm considering and I would like for
everyone here to consider is for 2026 we currently have a township engineer one engineer. Now that engineer does everything within the town. What I am proposing or looking to do is in 2026
opening this up to appointing actually having four appointed engineering physicians. And if you'll see by the document that I gave you guys, these suggestions that we had come up with was a township engineer that does our roads and our streets, a
sewer engineer, a parks and recreation engineer, and I will give Al the credit for the fourth one, which would be an environmental engineer. What's critical about that and important to me is that with having these four
designations and it does not let me clarify because we have four designations does not mean we're going to have four individual engineers. We could have two and one doing these two, one doing these two. However it breaks
down that gives us the best possible service at the best price. So it gives us an opportunity to maybe negotiate a little bit. Now, we have a couple of engineers in here. Um, I wanted to give Al credit for the
fourth section was the environmental um because I think it's a big issue in the town and I think it's something that having that separate section, we're letting everybody know that that's important to us. We're talking about down by the waterfront that
we're creating a special engineering slot just for that section. But I brought this to you guys tonight because I would really love to hear your feedback. >> Well, I think I think this is the first time >> this is the first time you're saying it. >> So, yeah. So, there um nobody's had a
chance to really go over this, right? >> So, I I don't know if anybody's in a position to somebody down there. So, if if somebody wants to jump in, but um me personally, I want to go through this a little bit more. I mean, I know you you and I have talked about this, so I know
exactly what the person put it on paper for you so you guys can kind of see the idea. >> Yes. And it's it's not like we're close-minded to it, but um I think I mean I know me personally I want to go through it and look at it in more depth even though you and I have talked
>> and you know my my I don't want four separate engineers and and that's kind of what I wanted to clarify because >> I think we're going to spend more money doing that >> you know so um but I I you know I'll let anybody wants to chime in chime in or you want to just wait till you read this
and and we'll have further discuss I'm ready. I'm ready for questions. Tom looks like >> I don't really not a it's not it's not a question. Um actually um I I Jamie I know you sent it out um out the PDF um all the proposals. >> That was for special projects. >> Special projects. Yeah. I'm sorry. For
special I'd like to get a hard copies out if I could. Sure. >> Because I have reading that stuff. I like to have a physical part of that. >> Um >> and as far as this goes, I mean um yeah, I mean I'll read through it. I'll go through it and then um obviously um you
know when we get to um the end of the year then obviously you know when we send things out or whatever but um yeah I mean it's first I've seen it. So yeah I mean I like you know I'll go through it. I'll read it. Um I understand what you're saying. So um and we'll go from there.
>> Excellent. Thank you. >> That's okay. >> He asked the question I was going to ask. Um, is it going to be cost effective for the town? I mean, I'm always looking at, you know, if we're doing it, if we're going to have the engineers, you know, is it going to cost us more? You know, he was just saying
that. So, we take a look at it. >> I think it's a good idea, >> you know, and um, like you said, we reading read it. I don't want to say yes or no and then come back and say, "Oh, Nikki is doing flipfly. Let me look at it." But I always think it's a good idea
to have experts for certain areas so things are done better, you know, and then again, is it going to be cost effective? Is it going to cost us more if we do it this way or is it going to be the same thing? Something like that. Those are thoughts that are going through my head.
>> Okay. Thank you. No, I realistically I just wanted you guys to have this in your hands and just ask if you have any questions now so that if there's anything that going forward I can find out for you or answer for you. I've been studying this for months
so I have a slight advantage but that that's okay. Has there been any um breakdown for example uh ru roads and streets do we have definition of what that will encompass because like I think you even mentioned there may be a lot of overlap
and confusion >> right >> between engineers and >> you know that could be an issue. >> Yeah. No, it's a great question. Um, so when we talk about the roads and the streets and the sewer and the overlap, um, initially like I said, we may we may
have the same engineer doing both, but you may also end up with like our sewer like let's say we were let's say worst case scenario there was four engineers. I can't imagine that we that that is something that would happen. But if that were the case, you still have the
township engineer who is overseeing. So if you could imagine you have your township engineer overseeing everything and they're working with so these are support networks but they're specialized support networks and they're focused on doing those things.
So would the other engine the uh sub5 engineers potentially if if we went with all four would the patch of engineer then be responsible and be in charge of monitoring and controlling the others? >> Yes. >> Okay.
Yeah, it's I I've looked around at a lot of towns and once towns start to get big enough, one of the things they do is they do just like the count, they have their own engineering part. They they literally do that and they have specialists in every area. Delran has grown to a point where we're
now close to what are we 19,57 people I think is what we looked at. um we're doing a ton more projects. Having somebody that's focused on because of our infrastructure issues, we all know what's going on. So having that specialized service in those areas, I
think is going to be key to changing the future and getting the kind of services that we're looking for in the town. >> Question. >> Yes. >> So this is coming from you. >> That is from me. >> I typed it up for you today. No, the
reason I'm asking you didn't put your name on it. That's why. >> No. Why would I do that? >> You know what's funny was I I I typed it up on my phone and then um I did the copy and paste for the email. So, this is why we need a communications tech person because I'm not that person. So,
I just copy and paste and send it over and ask him to print it for me. And yeah, my name didn't enter. I must not have slid all the way down with the little arrow and the the blue highlighter. >> No, it's okay. So, at least I know where it's coming from. >> Yes. No, it is coming from me. >> And Mr. Mayor, really quick question.
Um, I know you mentioned like a lot of the projects and road work with traffic like do you have an an idea like where that might fall? Is it would be under like the township engineer? >> Well, traffic would fall under the township engineer. And what I like about this and the reason why we're putting
this not we're not looking at this until 2026. Okay. It gives us time. I I I'm very comfortable with the fact that with this group, I think that we work very well together. So having your input on this and you guys finally seeing what my
vision is, I think is going to take this from good to great. And that's why we're we're kind of doing it this way and why I wanted to bring it up in a work session so we can talk about it. Are you going to have all the answers now? No. You're going to have a hundred questions after this. But this
this gets us started and it gives us time to do this. >> Got it. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Let's move on to the consent agenda. Resolution 2025-125
authorizing electric tax sale. Resolution. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Electronic tax sale. Resolution 2025126 authorizing grass cutting for 418 Main Street and authorizing the payment of bills including all purchase under the
cooperative purchasing agreement. Anybody have any questions on the consent agenda? >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion. >> I'll second. >> Roll call. >> Mr. Marorrow. >> I. >> Mrs. Apadu. >> Hi. >> Mr. Smith. >> Hi. >> Mr. Jenny. >> Hi. >> Mr. Lion.
>> I. All right. Let's move next to public comment. Can I get a motion to go into public comment? >> I make a motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Eyes have it. If you wish to make public comment, please raise your hand. You'll be recognized. Step
forward to the podium. State your name and address for the record. You'll be allowed five minutes of time for public comment. All comments will be part of the record. Can't be redacted or changed. And uh we'll open it up for
public comment. Yes, sir. SPH William J. 518 Brown Street, Delrine, New Jersey. Uh, this is directed to the council. Uh, starting from my left and continuing on to my right. Mr. tomorrow.
What is your knowledge of New Jersey statute title 54 as it applies to this resolution? >> Which resolution is that? >> What resol resolution is that? It's the resolution that is the uh 2025-125
authorizing electronic tax sale. What is your knowledge? that is, if I'm not mistaken, being able to sell um our excessive equipment, things of that nature through the websites and so forth. Um for sales, am I correct, Daniel?
>> No, this is for um delinquent. >> Oh, delinquent. Annual tax sale that we used to have it in person now. >> Okay, I got that. All right, there you go. >> Thank you, sir. Miss Abdu, what is your knowledge of this
resolution authorizing electronic tax sale under New Jersey statute annotated 54-519-1? >> What is your knowledge of it? Have you read in fact that section and that resolution? Do you know what that means?
Madam >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. What? >> No. What is your knowledge of that? Do you know how this applies? >> What this applies to? >> Didn't she just say the tax sale? >> Madam,
>> she said a tax sale. Tax sale. Electronic tax sale. Is that what it applies to? >> Yes. >> Okay. Mr. Smith, what is your knowledge?
>> Yeah, we This is the item that we're reviewing tonight to >> Say that again, sir. >> This is part of the consent agenda and we're reviewing this tonight to see if the council is in agreement with going to the electronic tax sales. >> And how does it apply to the tax bill?
How do you how do we go about using this electronic service? >> So, I know in previous years when we would have it in person, folks would come to the municipal building, there would be tax leans that would be uh up for bid and
then members of the public could bid on those. Now, we're going to an electronic method for that. >> Very well, sir. Mr. Jenny, >> that's exactly what it is. to make it more efficient. >> Make what more efficient? >> The tax sale process.
>> And how do we do that? How does that how does that come about? >> It comes out when people don't pay their tax. >> No, no, no. How do you how do you use that service? By which in what manner? >> Instead of just being in person or you can do it electronically, it'll be advertised and held electronically also
online which makes it more efficient. >> All right. Well, sir, >> attracts more buyers as well. >> Mr. Lion. I'm sorry, Mr. Fifth, can I just say something real fast? Um, the state just passed where public notices where tax sales go into the newspapers
is now going to be taken out. They are no longer going to be required municipalitywise to put public notices in the newspapers. Part of your tax sales are always in those newspapers. Going electronically now allows people to do that online. If you want to know
what tax sales are, you come right in the municipal building. And if I'm not correct, they give you that information. So this is something I think going forward that the public notices will no longer be in the in the newspapers if I'm not correct. >> Thank you, sir. Mr. Lion,
>> I'll reserve any comment I have for my report. Thank you. >> Very well, sir. >> Thank you. That's all I have. >> Excuse me. I have a question for you. What is it? What is the electronic tax sale about? What is it about? Do you know what it is? >> I have no idea. That's why I'm asking you. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Yes, ma'am. >> Hi, Nancy Evans. I always have to stand on my toes for this. >> It's It's actually for the recording, so just use your outside voice. >> Nancy Evans, 307 Arch. And um I just want to give a couple of my opinions on
what you guys were talking about today. As far as the uh pool rental stuff goes, um I really think it just should be banned completely. Um we have a small town. >> Hang on one second. Let me Could could we stop the um side conversation, please? Excuse me,
>> Jen. >> Yeah, we can't have conversation. Thank you. Go ahead. I'm sorry, ma'am. >> Okay. I think we should just stop and ban it all together. Um thank you so much. Um, I several years ago I had neighbors
that lived two houses down from me, right on my block, and they used to have tons of people coming over to their house to use their swimming pool. And they were drinking, laughing, loud music, fighting, arguing, you know, all kinds of stuff going on till 3 and 4:00
in the morning. And this happened from Friday night through Sunday night. Okay. Um, and it was all summer, late spring, all summer long. Everybody on the block was really upset about it. Several times the police were called. Those people are gone now. They weren't renting. But the
issue was is that we had people coming into our street, our neighborhood. We had they didn't know who we were. This is maybe their first time around in our area. So now they're getting to to sort of canvas our streets and see what's available or what's what could be
available to them, you know, as far as committing crimes or whatever. And me being retired law enforcement, it just to me just seems like the most unsafe and irresponsible thing to do for our town. Um, I don't think that anybody or
most people in the township would really want to go for this. And I'm just letting you guys know I I really don't think it's a good idea. Um, the other thing would be about the engineers. I like what you were saying about having like maybe you have like a head honcho
engineer, then you got other people working in different areas under him or her or it. Um, so that more things can be looked at, more things can be taken care of, and more things can be done in a timely fashion without having severe
issues occur before we take care of anything and everything. So, just my opinions and thank you for listening. >> All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. And um I'll just make a quick comment on the pool thing. Many moons ago when I wasn't 64 years old and
I was in my 20s and 30, I did have a big backyard with a pool and you know, we did have some occasional parties, but I always made sure I invited the neighbors and I also told them that if we were getting too loud, please just come and let us know. But none of our parties
ever got out of control. But yeah, I do I do um we we need to talk about the the the pool rental thing more so than somebody just having a party. All right. Anybody else? Yes, ma'am. >> Patricia Griffith, Brown Street Delran.
Uh, first I want to say thank you for considering putting it out to uh the public, getting their public comment for this whole pool thing because I appreciate that you want to get everybody's opinion because there's a lot of different ways to look at it. Uh, like what Nancy was talking about that
was a private party. So, if you pass an ordinance that doesn't even affect that. You do have your nuisance ordinances already in place that would take care of a lot of it. Um, my issue is like, is it legal for the council to say what people can do in a private private
house? I realize you were talking about like going to the edge of a business, but if I just rent one room out of my house or is that going to be regulated, too? I just think it takes us down a rabbit hole that could be it could be putting the council at at a risk saying
like, "All right, now you're you're trying to control what I can do on my private property." I think that's another consideration on the other side of you don't want to have wild parties and people renting out their homes to have, you know, a bunch of either teenagers or early 20s going crazy. I
think the bigger problem is they weren't raised how to appreciate other people's property in other people's areas. I mean, that that's like a whole another subject, but I think you're getting to a fine line where you're if you're going to start dictating things, I'd be really careful. I mean, if people are renting
out parts of their home, they have insurance and they're taking on the liability. But if we start getting involved and dictating what they can and can't do, it might be a problem in terms of now are this council becoming liable because you're getting into people's
personal property. So, it's just a um just a consideration. But I really thank you again for asking for the public input. And I think a survey or something would be a great idea. And um the multiple engineers I think is another
great idea because you get more um more value with more opinions and maybe someone else will come up with an idea because they have time to specialize in the specific project or a specific area as opposed to just trying to cover everything in the town and there's a lot
going on. So I think that's a great idea too. Right. That's it. >> Thank you for your comments. Anyone else, please? >> All right, seeing no other hands, can I get a motion to come out of public, please? >> I make a motion. >> Got a second. >> I'll second. >> All in favor?
>> I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. We're out of public. >> All right. Next up, we're going to do reports. And I'll start with emergency services. I don't see anyone but our fine officer.
Do you have anything to report on, sir? You're good. Uh, next up, boards and committee. Is that anybody? Um, >> can you go first? >> Debbie Hammond for the green team. Uh, I just wanted to say we're we are planning
to plant more more things. things. I'm going to say things, shrubs, trees, flowers at our alitum, which is behind the jug handle on Friday at 6. If anybody wants to come out and help dig some holes, water some plants, it would
be great. That's it. >> Beautiful. Thank you so much, >> Sam Hutchkins with the RAC. So, I don't this actually isn't an update or a report. Actually, I wanted to just talk about I don't even know if I'm allowed to. You guys talked about increasing the
bid threshold. We at the RAAC like that idea just because uh a lot of the things that we have to do through the the party planning for lack of better words cost in those in those numbers and we got three quotes three, four, five quotes for everything because I like to be
super cheap. But anyway, um we like that idea. So, yay from the RAC. That was it. >> Okay. Thank you very much. I We're going to move on to our administrator extraordinaire Jamie Edgars. >> Thank you. Just a couple items. Um
Steuart Avenue, the contractor is going to begin their punchwork items starting next week. Um on Leyon Avenue, I know the contractor's been out there doing some preliminary work, test pits and other items. And then the underground work is going to start on or around August 11th. Um I just wanted to let you
know that there is a collection box. I don't know if anyone's seen it in the parking lot for new or used books um where residents can recycle them and the books will be distributed to local um I was told senior centers, nursing homes,
hospitals, those kind of items. Um and uh the Army Corps we have there are now no report tonight, but we have a meeting Monday, so I'll have a report at the next meeting. And then uh we received an email um that the Veteran Foundation of America um along with Senator Troy
Singleton is hosting an event on Tuesday, August 26 from 10:00 a.m. to 3M. It's a veterans health fair and lunchon at Bordontown Armory. Um there will be clinical assessments, biometric screenings, and lunch will be provided
courtesy of Red White and Q Smokehouse. That's all I have. >> Very good. Thank you so much. Next up, Mayor Bar touches. I get to be quick this week. I only have one thing to report. So, um myself and council have received
uh a lot of RFPs for a um special projects engineer. You guys all everybody had received that. Um, I just want to report that with the advice and the consent of council at our next uh township meeting, I will be appointing a special projects engineer for the
remainder of 2025 for Delray. That's my report. >> Thank you. >> Next up, Al Mara, solicitor. >> Uh, nothing additional, Mr. President. >> Very good. Thank you. And next up, our
engineer, Ed Dearto. Mr. President that on um all right first the wastewater treatment plant project uh they have completed the cleaning of the tank and they will be having a site meeting next week to continue with the remainder of the work. Um they were less than
anticipated in terms of duration for that. Um continuing on sewer projects, Creek Road will be starting next week. Um the contractor is looking to start Monday. They have put the signs out for the onor about um the road from on Creek
Road. The road from Bridgeboro to Wharton Landing will be closed through traffic. Um and there there'll be notices handed out by the contractor for the impact of residents. Um and there will be police officers uh two from township and then one from Morristown for Borton Landing um on site
um at to start at all times uh while work is under underway. Um and then a couple uh projects to be out the bid update. Um the 25 road program, Burmese Stewart phase 2, and then the emergency sewer uh bid are all anticipated to be
advertised uh by the end of next week um to have bids received uh next month. some in anticipation to be able to award um at the end at the next workshop meeting and the others to be awarded after the uh bonds uh go through um in
September. Any questions? >> Nope. Thank you very much, Ed. All right, we'll move on to council members and we'll start all the way down to my right. Councilman Marorrow.
>> Thank you, Council President. Um, one thing we were talking about, um, the mayor and I and Councilman Jennings before the, um, meeting tonight was the ebike isu, uh, situation that we're experiencing, not just in Dan, um, but throughout the state. So, I'm not going
to get too heavy into that tonight because I got a lot of stuff I already started. We'll talk about it because I think at the work maybe the next work session. Okay. Okay. Very good. Um, Jamie, um, on Steuart Avenue, there's the old abandoned church on there. Who
who owns that? Do we know that has been dilapidated? It's I mean it's been there for years. It's falling apart. Residents um I've heard the raccoons want I mean what's the status there? Either they tear it down or fix it up or something, but it's just sitting there. It's
falling apart. What What's the story there? >> I don't know who the owner. I mean, it's privately owned, but I don't know who the who the owner is off the top of my head, but I can get that information to you. And if there's any like property maintenance issues, we can definitely get um Matt or Ted. >> It's just an abandoned building. It's
abandoned church. I mean, it's either they do something or we have I mean, I don't know how what municipalities have on I know churches have certain tax rights and so forth. I don't know what we can do, but that's something's got to get done there because, you know, all this work that's getting done on
that street. I mean, there is some bad properties there. Um some real bad properties, but that one has just been sitting there since god knows when. and just sitting there. Um I I would really like to start to look into getting something done with that. Um
I on Fair View Street, when you come off of Harford Road, I I think I talked to the mayor about this um last week. When you come off of Harper Road on the Fair View Street into the shopping center, um, and you get to the first traffic light before you get to Route 130, there's no signage, no striping on the
street until you get almost to up by the lights where it's telling you two left turns, one center turn, and one right turn. The signage is all the way up by the Chick-fil-A, and then there's another signage that's the same sign as the one by Chick-fil-A, and that's
probably 20 feet up from it. I I I think are we responsible for Fairview Street through the Okay. So, what I'm saying is I think we need to bring back get some more arrow striping and some more signage. So, >> I think we need to bring the line. We talked about this because >> Yeah, that road that road is swapped
with the county. >> Sorry, we swapped that. >> We're talking about the road that goes through basically when you're coming out of >> that went to the county. So, I'm sorry. The county took when the county took part they took care of Boulevard. >> So, that's that's the county. I think
Ed's right. But Ed's going to reach out to the county for us tomorrow and let's see if we can do that because I listen I drive there all the time and I'm going to say, >> "Yeah, >> where where am I supposed to be?" And then it's the last second. >> Jamie, to answer your question, the township did do a widening uh for the an
additional lefthand turn lane queue a few years ago and then they swapped the Chester Avenue and the road. >> Yeah, we just need to bring the lines back a little further so that you're not reacting at the last second trying to figure out where you're supposed to. It's really, like you say, it's a problem there. Um Jamie, I know, um when
I was on council before, we used to get a monthly police report. >> We don't get them anymore. >> Can I get Can we get them? >> No, we used to get them and it was a breakdown of what their performance was through the month. The rest I mean that was we got it every month.
>> I'll talk to the chief tomorrow. >> Yeah. Okay. Please. I' I'd like to see that. Um, also if you could ask the chief to put a um the uh machine um or the speed um detector that tells you how fast you I know it's been on Brown Street. I don't know how many we have one or two, but if
we can get one on Fair View Street for a while, that would be appreciative. >> Cheating is is is unreal. Going down >> what area? >> Fair View pretty much >> anywhere. Pick a spot. >> Pretty much when you're coming off the Crown off of Route 130 down. Okay, >> that's where most of the um
>> speeding seems to be really picking up and um I know we talked about going to uh work sessions two a month. We discussed that going into September. Um so I'd like to obviously stay on top of that and also um I had mentioned about Bowman and Associates coming in. Um so
maybe on one of those work sessions we can actually have them here. We don't have a lot on us at work session so they can give a little information to the residents here on how those bonds work because I know a lot of residents con have questions about them and I think we would be good to give them some really
good answers. Um Del Rand night out it's coming up August 5th. Um all the info is on the township website. Um I know that the rec committee um has put a ton of time and effort into this. I think it's going to be I never been to one. I'll
admit that I never been to a Delan night out, but I will be there at this one. I want a front row seat, so you better have one for me. And my wife, >> you got it. And but >> um sorry, the Delran son did a really nice article about the event this week. >> Okay, good. Because I don't even get
that anymore. But um I want to say great job to all the rec committee. Um I know you put a lot of time and effort into this and it it's definitely going to show. And um also uh last Friday, the council and mayor were invited to the groy spot that
just opened at the Millside Shopping Center. And I can tell you folks, check it out. Support the local restaurants. These Turkish, we have a large Turkish community in our township. A lot of business owners up and down Route 130. And I can tell you, they make some bang
ass food. So get over there, enjoy it. And um they were really, really nice people. And and I think we all say we walked out of here with full stomachs and uh it was a really sharp. So patronize our local businesses. They
>> not over the top. >> Ask uh Mr. Lion will talk about >> I'll let President tell you about that. And that's all I have tonight. Thank you, Tom. >> All right.
>> Councilwoman of Pu, please. All right. So, um, let me see. Just want to echo on on that church on Stewart. It's been on my mind and I'm happy, uh, Councilman Mororrow brought it up. Can
we get somebody to find out what's going on instead of waiting? >> Yeah, we can try to contact the owner and, you know, see what they >> Okay. Have to say. >> Yeah, it is horrible looking. Yeah. Um, so the second thing I have is,
um, we're going to have more town halls. I wish everybody could attend the next one. This last one we had, I heard, um, from some that attended that it was actually well worth it. So, we're going to schedule more town halls and we want to have them virtually so that um,
people could be home and get to talk to their elected officials. This time, I want to set it up with our county commissioners. So, um, I'm going to be working on that and I'll put the information out there as soon as I get a date. Um, next thing is I need everybody
please mark your calendars. Our second annual senior expo is coming up on September 15. Um, I believe we decided it's going to be every third Monday of September. So, um, mark your calendars. That's
coming up soon. Thank you. Thank you, Nikki. Appreciate it. Uh, next up, Council Maro. I'm sorry, Smith. >> You say my first name or >> I butchered that. >> Marlo Smith. That's fine. It's good. I
know you met. Um, just a few quick items. Uh, everyone. Um, as, uh, Councilwoman Nepedi mentioned the town hall we had with, uh, Senator Singleton, uh, Assemblywoman Carol Murphy, and Valvier Singh. I think that was, you know, very well attended and uh got a
lot of good information out there. Um hope seniors take advantage of the uh tax uh incentive that's out there for them to be able to freeze their property taxes. So, a lot of other information was shared as well. Uh secondly, I want
to mention uh also as Councilman uh Marorrow mentioned the grand opening for the G the I think they call it Gro in >> in uh you know the correct pronunciation for Turkey. So I'll say it that way. Uh the Gro spot which is right near Target
in u that same shopping center there. Uh the food was very good and it was u not spicy if you didn't like you know there there's sauces and things you can put on it that could be a little spicy but I stayed away from that. So, but it was very good and I would definitely go back again. Um, also looking forward to
Delran night out on uh Tuesday, August 5th. I know there's a lot of work uh that's been done by the RAC and uh just want to be able to get a chance to come out and celebrate with the whole town uh as we you know celebrate our night out. And uh lastly, as also as uh Councilman
Marorrow mentioned, uh the ebikes uh even on my way here tonight, uh there was young uh person that was uh riding a bike, you know, I'm doing speed limit there. They came up behind me, passed me, and uh you were kind of riding out,
you know, kind of all over the road. So, just be careful um as you're driving around town. Um you know, those you know, I they didn't have bikes like that. I had to put, you know, pedal power when I was growing up. So, I can only imagine if I can go up to like 35, 40 miles an hour on a bike, what I would
have done at, you know, a young age. But, um, that being said, just be careful as you're driving around town and be on the lookout for those folks. And that's the end of my report. >> Thank you. Next up, Vice President Jenny. >> Thank you, Council President. Uh, I'm not going to repeat everything that was
already said, but I I agree with a lot of the comments were made. Definitely. Uh I would like to also mention though the virtual town meeting. I thank uh Councilwoman Pedu for spearheading that. It was well attended and uh a lot of
good questions and and and answers. So uh it's probably should do that one again. Um July 30 uh we had a meeting this morning a virtual meeting uh the mayor uh J Miss Edgars and myself regarding the climate uh assessment uh
that is being done that a lot of residents were uh involved in and then the um township uh leadership was involved in another session to get the township's perspective on what the needs and risks are and uh there will be on
July 30th there'll be a virtual meeting. We'll advertise it. I want to know more. And they're going to come up with possible uh suggestions and recommendations and uh what they found through their um research. And so that should help us. It's uh relevant because
of uh the flooding issues we've had not only uh in the Riverside Park area, but over Swedes Run area. Uh it's it's all over the state of New Jersey. If you, you know, do the reading I've done on this, there's hardly any town that has any water in it that hasn't suffered
from storm water damage and flooding. I want to thank uh Calvary Church uh for uh participating in the cleanup on this past Saturday. They actually approached the chairperson of the green team, Dave Hammond, uh saying, "Listen, we're going
to have a day of service. We'd like to uh find out if we can do something with you." And uh we went to clean up all the county parks or the township parks rather and we found that there was very little trash in the township parks. Thank you very much to all our residents. However, below the 130 bridge
there was a bit more trash. About 40 bags of trash were collected. Uh Calvary Church uh brought in about 30 people, families, young people, older people. It was a great turnout. It only took us about an hour to clean up a tremendous mess out there. And so I want to thank
them. Also want to thank um Michael Cooney uh from Castaway Cannabis. He was out there as well and uh was doing working in cleanup with everybody and offered uh him and his um workers to come and help us on future cleanups and
future things in the township that they can participate in. Uh the uh home rental uh on the pool thing. The other thing I that I didn't mention on that was different than inviting people over for a party. These are on
social media and they're also on flyers all over the place. They they put flyers out. Our police department had to put a stop to a party that was being advertised all over the place in Delan and they put a stop to it. So just a comment there. Other than that, that is
all I have tonight, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman Jenny. in my report. Um, I would like to thank uh, you know, Jamie was on vacation last week and we had a lot of people step up and fill Big Shoes while she was gone
uh, doing that webinar for the first time. Melissa and Kim Boi, they did a great job, but everybody from the whole building um, really stepped up in Jamie's absence. So, we appreciate all our employees. Um, the engineering
issue. Um well, we'll we'll all take a look at that. Um one of the things CME is one of the largest um most respected engineers in all of South Jersey in the state of New Jersey and they do have all the experts that we need, but we will
certainly take a look at what you're um you're putting out here. Um and also we need to loop in our department heads and whatnot um to get their opinion on all that. Now going to the Aero spot. And
you can stay away from spicy if you'd like to stay away from spicy. I happen to like spicy and I had a couple of their spicy items and they were really good. I would say if you're not into spicy or you like a little bit of spice,
do not eat the jalapeno. I ate a piece of jalapeno this big and my whole face went on fire. And I like spicy. That That thing was hot. Uh um so uh but the food the food and right next door is the uh butcher and grill
who they're kind of um I think they're same coordination and that's also a really good place to go in whether you want to get um items to take home to cook or have them cook it. um that that both of those spots are really good because I've I've been in the butcher
and grill and and took stuff home to cook and it's really good and they were super super nice people uh from the the the staff in the kitchen to the um the the people working the floor whatnot. It it was a really good time and we all had a good time. Um and once again, thank
you to all our boards and committees and our volunteers. I've been to plenty of the um Delran night out. It's always a good time. Um it seems like the kids have a blast and uh hopefully I'm no
doubt it'll be that again this year. Um so with that, that's the end of my report. Um and right now we're going to um get a motion to go into executive session for resolution 2025-127
authorizing executive session to discuss the following. contract discussions of the DPA. Can I get a motion, please? >> I make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Eyes have it. Um, there
will be no action taken after executive session, but you're more than welcome to hang out. Let me know when you're ready. All right, we're back out of executive session. Can I get a motion to come out of executive? >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I. >> Any opposed? Eyes have it. Um, once again, there will be no action taken from our executive session. Can I get a motion for adjournment? >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? Eyes have it.