WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=56wKHw-dy_U NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: 56wKHw-dy_U): - 00:05:24: Meeting Called to Order; Invocation and Pledge - 00:07:27: Agenda Approval, Proclamations and Ray Bailey Recognition - 00:12:40: Ray Bailey's Farewell Address; Gratitude and Reflection - 00:20:19: Proclamation for Kaylee Hayes, Miss Destin 2026 - 00:23:56: Proclamation for National Safe Boating Week; Recognition - 00:27:35: Resolution Honoring Dewey Dustin Jr's Service - 00:33:00: Public Comments: Roxy Wilson - Legion Drive Road - 00:36:47: Public Comments: Alan Osborne- Public Service - 00:40:01: Public Comments: Rob Valatin - Holiday Isle Land - 00:42:12: Public Comments: Joe Fitzpatrick - Indian Trail Drainage - 00:45:11: Public Comments: Josh Douly, Autoworks Towing Rates - 00:48:21: Public Comments: Stan Nicolov, Destin Towing Brothers - 00:49:41: Consent Agenda Approved; Norgo Point Shorebirds Resolution - 00:50:54: Presentation from Audubon on Shorebird Protection - 00:55:22: Amending the Shorebird Resolution; County Collaboration - 00:58:17: Meeting Status: Norgo Point Land Discussion Continues - 01:02:19: Fourth of July Fireworks vs. Drone Show Alternatives - 01:07:19: Discussion: Take Permit, Nesting Season, Mitigation and Enforcement - 01:11:09: Consideration of Drone Show Contract for July 4th Celebration - 01:17:26: Historical References, Heritage & Drone Show Concerns - 01:23:06: Motion: Initiate Drone Show Contract, Vote and Results - 01:24:16: Arbor Day Student Recognition and Speech by Aronza Ramos - 01:28:10: Comprehensive Plan Ear Amendment and Inspire Pacemaking - 01:29:57: Hardship Exemption Request for Crab Island Dolphin Tours - 01:40:42: Debate: Charter Captains vs. Livery Vessels Definition Clarification - 01:43:54: City Code and Prioritizing Captained Vessels Approval - 01:46:53: Addressing Concerns Over Inexperienced Boat Operators - 01:47:40: Amending Motion: Back BTR Payment Discussion & Clarification - 01:48:45: Examining Boat Purchase Dates & Addressing Parking Shortages - 01:51:14: Parking Requirements & Livery License Contingencies Debate - 01:54:13: Amending Motion: Stipulating Captains Only for Vessels - 01:55:36: Vote and Motion: Livery License Approved with Amendments - 01:56:54: Adjusting Parking Fees at Terra Cotta Lot - 01:57:42: Considerations for City-Wide Parking Fee Adjustment - 01:58:14: Formalizing City Park and Amenity Naming Process - 02:00:23: Road Renewal: Lip Created by Paving Discussed - 02:02:38: Motion to Approve Renewal and Resurfacing of Roadways - 02:03:07: Crosstown Connector: Sound Barriers and Property Protection - 02:07:17: Crosstown Connector: Native Trees Discussed & Concern - 02:11:15: Crosstown Connector: Private Property Protection Discussion - 02:12:52: Crosstown Connector: Vegetation Discussion & Motion Revised - 02:15:34: Crosstown Connector: Wall Discussion & Motion to Approve - 02:16:29: Discussion: Tow Truck Fees and the County - 02:19:09: Disagreement: Approving County Numbers - Tow Truck Fees - 02:21:09: Disagreement: Increasing Fees - Tow Trucking Service - 02:24:14: Motion to Approve Tow Truck Fees - 02:25:23: Monthly TDC Report and Undergrounding Contractor Update - 02:27:35: Town Hall Meeting Update and New Undergrounding Update - 02:29:04: Memorial Day at Stallman and Public Hearing Announcement - 02:29:22: Ordinance: Coastal Management and Conservation Renumbering - 02:30:26: Councilwoman Traml: Motion to Table Issue so it can be Discussed - 02:31:38: Public Hearing: Closing Public Comment - 02:31:53: Discussion: Include Bird Conservation; Motioning Changes - 02:33:52: Discussion: Commercial Slips- Combined Thought Proposal - 02:35:16: Review of: 1987 Ordinance & Changing the Fee Base - 02:36:36: Review of: Two Year discussion of LPA and Habor Board - 02:39:29: Councilman: Backtrack on Ordinance 1 and do Enforcements - 02:41:15: Question: What's Needed to Support Harbor Pump Annually? - 02:43:14: Councilman Dustin: 25% INSANE and needs to change Formula - 02:43:59: Motion to: Get Rid of 25% for Harbor Pumps and Renovation - 02:47:31: Informing Council about 25% - Enforcements and Implement - 02:48:20: Definition of Beach Amendment, Jurisdiction - High Tide? - 02:50:43: Public Comment: and Ordinance - Approval and Discussion - 02:52:16: Ordinance Amendments to Transportation and Comprehensive Plans - 02:53:22: Braden and Councilmen, Why is sidewalk situation poor? - 02:56:58: Tramel- Goal & Objectives of Public Works in Review - 02:58:05: Discussing Outlets Planned for Walton Bvld and Utility - 02:59:13: Thank you to Bagme for mentorship of our youth! - 03:00:53: Discussing Waste and League of Cities - Staff - 03:03:52: Waste Management and Proactive Code Enforcement and City - 03:07:05: Updates of Meeting and the Code and Staffing - 03:09:16: Staff Issues and Concerns in the Records Discussion - 03:09:46: Public Comments: To 2 Weeks for 6 Minutes - Report Part: 1 1 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:46.800 That's Councilman Schmidt, everybody. Councilman Schmidt. >> All righty. Well, I appreciate everyone being here and with it being well over six, I'll call this meeting to order. All right, up first is going to be our invocation and I want to welcome up Pastor Darius Arnold from Faith Coast 2 00:05:46.800 --> 00:06:06.319 Church and Academy. Thank you so much for being here. Good seeing you again. Uh Lord, we come to you tonight in the precious name of Jesus and we ask for your favor upon this meeting. Lord, we know a lot moves in this city and you 3 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:22.800 have entrusted all of the affairs of this city to so many in this room. We pray for the strength and the peace and the wisdom of each of these council members, our wonderful mayor, and all of those that lead in this city to make it 4 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:37.919 such a beautiful place to live. Father, we ask for your blessing right now. And we pray for an outpouring of strength for this entire region. And we thank you for tonight. We ask your blessing upon all of these proceedings. Give us 5 00:06:37.919 --> 00:06:54.080 wisdom. And Lord, we commit these works and all these decisions to you cuz your word declares that when we commit our works unto you, you will cause our plans to be established and to succeed. So Lord, we ask for that that success and 6 00:06:54.080 --> 00:07:09.440 that favor to rest upon all the decisions that are made here tonight. And uh just be with us. And we thank you for it all in Jesus name. Amen. >> Councilwoman Neighbor with the pledge, please. >> Please join me with your hand over your heart. I pledge allegiance to the flag 7 00:07:09.440 --> 00:07:27.120 of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All righty. And with that, if I can get 8 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:43.120 an approval of the agenda or any motions or substitutes, >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> All right. And do I hear a second? >> I'll second that. >> All right. With a second. >> I got a >> We're going to do a roll call while we get this rolling. And Councilman Schmid, 9 00:07:43.120 --> 00:08:00.800 you want to start us off? >> We got several. >> Yes. >> 2026. >> Yes. Don't be yelling at me. >> 26. >> Oh, you got it. I got I got several people who are logging on though. 10 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:23.039 >> Yeah, it's not you, it's us. It's always us. It's never you. Put that on the record. >> Yeah. If you guys want to just >> Councilwoman Abear. >> Yes. >> Councilman Bagby. Yes. 11 00:08:23.039 --> 00:08:58.560 >> Yes. >> All right. Eyes have it. So, move unanimously. And with that, I got a bunch of proclamations while you get your IT stuff figured out. All right. All right. Well, we have several proclamations tonight. Uh, this one's going to be a little bit harder for all 12 00:08:58.560 --> 00:09:15.839 of us to do. Uh, so with the clerk's office and Mr. Sweet Baby Ray, come on up here. >> For those who don't know, just to let you guys know, uh, Ray is not only professional, but he's also a jokester. So, I think everyone has a a nickname 13 00:09:15.839 --> 00:09:32.480 for you, and I've always gone with my favorite barbecue sauce. Awesome. All right. A resolution of the city council of Dest, Florida, recognizing Ray Bailey for his 26 years of service and dedication to the city of 14 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:49.360 Dest. Whereas Ray Bailey has faithfully served as city of Dest since April 24, 2000. I was in kindergarten. demonstrating that's not on here. That's not on here. demonstrating exceptional professionalism, integrity, and 15 00:09:49.360 --> 00:10:05.360 dedication to public service. And whereas during his tenure, Mr. Bailey has overseen the accurate maintenance of official records, ensuring transparity in transparency in government operations and provided invaluable guidance to elected officials, staff, and and the 16 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:22.240 public. And whereas Mr. Bailey has instrumental in assisting with fair and efficient municipal elections, safeguarding the democra democracy process, and upholding the highest ethical standards. And whereas Mr. Bailey's warm demeanor, institutional 17 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:38.079 knowledge, and unwavering commitment have earned the respect and admiration of his colleagues, community members, and partnered agencies alike. Whereas the city council wishes to recognize and honor Mr. Bailey for his outstanding contribution and lasting impact on the 18 00:10:38.079 --> 00:10:53.519 city of Dest. And now therefore, it be resolved by the city council of Dest, Florida as followed. Do all the sections, too. All right. You You've done a lot here. All right. Section one, 19 00:10:53.519 --> 00:11:10.079 radical. The foregoing radicals are true and correct and incorporated into this resolution. Am I doing all these radicals? This is legal east now. Good. Effective date. All right. Effective date resolution shall be become effective immediately upon 20 00:11:10.079 --> 00:11:45.680 adoption. All right. So, I'm sorry about reading the legal east to you here. All right. Let's get a photo. You guys want to move on in? Oh, just >> Tamara, get him in front of all of us. >> We're still going on. Still going on. 21 00:11:45.680 --> 00:12:03.399 >> We would like to present you. >> Oh, yeah. >> We would like to present you. Turn it on. >> Oh, okay. I got you. >> We love you, Ray. We would like to present you with this. >> A big box. >> A big box. 22 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:36.920 >> I got this. Yeah. >> Trick box. >> It's a trick box. >> Oh, okay. Oh, thank you. Let's just go down there. >> We all come down. Thank you so much. >> Yeah. He's only given 26 years. 23 00:12:40.639 --> 00:13:28.399 >> Go, sir. >> Can I unless Tam want you to hold it? You like to say anything? >> Yeah. >> Oh, good. >> After 26 years. >> I know. Come on. You you can you can say 24 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:45.720 whatever you want to us after 26 years. >> Okay. I'm overwhelmed. Um thank you very much for all this. Um, tonight I wrote down my thoughts because after 26 years 25 00:13:47.760 --> 00:14:12.240 >> after 26 years with the city of Dest including 18 years as you as your city clerk, I wanted to make sure that I spoke from the heart and that I didn't leave anything unsaid. I'm getting old. Sorry. I stand here tonight with a heart full 26 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:29.600 of gratitude and mixed emotions. I am excited for retirement and for the next chapter. But it is not easy to leave behind so many colleagues, friends, and familiar faces, some of whom I have known since my very first day with the 27 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:46.720 city. Over the years, I have had the privilege of working with an incredibly group of people. I especially want to recognize our city council members, past and present. They serve not because the work is easy 28 00:14:46.720 --> 00:15:07.279 and certainly not for recognition or pay, but because they care deeply about destin. They have given years of their time, energy, and commitment through multiple terms of office. It's especially meaningful that Casu 29 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:24.320 Modeston is being honored tonight for more than 24 years of service to this city. That is an extraordinary accomplishment and a true example of commitment, dedication, and love for this community. It has truly been an honor to serve 30 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:40.720 alongside our elected officials and support them in the important work they do for the city. However, the same spirit of service is not limited to elected officials. It is also reflected in the citizens who have 31 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:57.040 given so much of themselves to this community. citizens who show up, volunteer, serve on boards and committees, speak up, and give their time to make a difference. People like Jim Wood, John 32 00:15:57.040 --> 00:16:12.880 Stevens, Marcy Bell, the Widenhammer family, that's one of my favorite families. You have a father, daughter, and granddaughter, three generations, all serving on the city's various committees and boards. 33 00:16:12.880 --> 00:16:28.000 And I will never forget the late Nancy Widenhammer. She was a dear friend of mine and was so active in this community. Those of you who knew her know exactly what I mean. 34 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:43.120 They along with so many others represent the heart of Destin. This is what makes a community strong. That is what makes Destin special. I've also been blessed to work alongside 35 00:16:43.120 --> 00:17:00.800 an outstanding city staff, many of whom are here tonight. I'm truly grateful for each of you. You made the work more meaningful. You made the difficult days easier, the long nights more bearable, and the good 36 00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:19.039 moments even better. As I reflect on the people who have made this work so meaningful, I also feel very confident about the future of the clerk's office. Lisa Wallace is your new city clerk. I want everyone to know that 37 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:36.240 you are in a very good hands. Lisa is very talented, experienced, very capable, and ready for this role. I know she will do an outstanding job as city clerk. little bit more. 38 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:51.840 This city has strong leadership, dedicated elected officials, caring citizens, outstanding staff, the best city manager, the best city attorney. So many people work every day, often 39 00:17:51.840 --> 00:18:07.360 behind scenes, to keep this city moving forward. Because of that, I truly believe Destiny's future is bright. It will remain strong and successful for many years to come. 40 00:18:07.360 --> 00:18:23.360 And while I miss this work and the people who made it so special, I'm also looking forward to this next chapter. I served and retired after a successful 22-year military career. And now I'm retiring after 26 years with the city of 41 00:18:23.360 --> 00:18:38.960 Dest. I suppose I have had some practice uh at retirement, but we'll see how I do this time. Lately, people have been asking me what I plan to do in retirement. They ask if 42 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:55.440 I play golf or fish, and I tell them, "No, I do. I do not do either one." Some have warned warned me that I may go into shock from the sudden change, less stressed, more rest, and every day 43 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:10.320 Saturday. But I tell him, not to worry. I already have a very demanding job lined up. I will be my wife's full-time Uber driver, manager, bodyguard, chef, personal 44 00:19:10.320 --> 00:19:28.400 assistant, and of course, doing other duties as assigned. But humor aside, I leave with a heart full of gratitude for the opportunities, the friendships, the memories, and the privilege of being 45 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:44.640 part of something meaningful here in Destin. The city has been a big part of my life and so many of you have been a big part of my story. I will carry these years with me always. Thank you for the support, the laughter 46 00:19:44.640 --> 00:20:19.280 and friendship and the memories. I will not forget the city. I will not forget you. Thank you very much. All right. Got to collect myself. Geez. Yeah. I didn't I didn't do the public math, but almost 50 years of serving our 47 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:39.600 country and community, right? That's that's amazing. Thank you. Should we do Dustin? No. Okay. All right. The city proclamation. A proclamation of the city council of the city of Dest recognizing 48 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:55.200 Kaylee Kaen Hayes. Haley >> Kayen Hayes. >> Hale. I'm so sorry. Come on up. I'm so sorry. I need hooked on phonics. Kaen Hails. We'll edit and post. Congratulations. 49 00:20:55.200 --> 00:21:12.000 Whereas the cities whereas the Destin fishing rodeo and other organizations in the past have sponsored the Miss Destin contest since 1950s. And whereas the young ladies who v for the title of Miss Destin are judged on their personality, school and community involvement, 50 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:28.799 communication skills, and scholastic aptitude. And whereas Kaen Hills >> Kayn Hills >> Kayn Hails Oh my gosh, I'm just I'm blowing up here on the mic. I got three more times. I'm going to get this right. A junior at Niceville High School has 51 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:45.360 was selected from a field of 10 destined young ladies who all demonstrated the qualities needed to win this title. Whereas Kayen Kayn Hails Kalin Hails Ge I mean look I got it I got it spelled 52 00:21:45.360 --> 00:22:02.240 out all right here. Listen I I'll let you guys know I'm not the best at reading it to the public. So congratulations to you. was born and raised in Dest and is a proud to call Destin home. She grew up going to Destin's beautiful beaches as well as fishing with her family. She has 53 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:18.159 displayed the confidence and integrity needed to carry out the duties of Miss Destin. She believes that as Miss Destin, she could be a good role model in the community she was born in and represent it with pride. Reigning as Miss Destin, she will be our 54 00:22:18.159 --> 00:22:35.280 ambassador at many of the city's functions and will become the pleasant fixture at the fishing docks during the summer and the Destin fishing rodeo season this October. She will help promote the fishing heritage and fishing rodeo which are the heart of Dest's 55 00:22:35.280 --> 00:22:51.600 community. Now therefore, I, Mayor Bobby Wagner, the city of Dest and citizens of Destin hereby recognize Kaen H. It's just her first name on this one. As Miss Destin 2026, I'm going to I got to somebody apologizes for you and wish her 56 00:22:51.600 --> 00:23:11.039 much success during her reign as Miss Destin and in all her endeavors and her accomplishments. Thank you so much. All right. And then and we do have we're starting to give these out and I'll do the shameless plug later, but it's our 57 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:26.559 Destin challenge coin with uh this year being America's 250th, we have a special edition going out, so I wanted to give it to you. You're actually number two. Steve Ducey from Fox and Friends was number one, but we did want to give it to to you for this. And do you have anything you want to share? >> Sure. 58 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:44.080 >> Perhaps how you spell say your name? Um, he pretty much covered it in this, but I am 17. I am a junior at Niceville High School. I'm going to be a senior. Um, I have lived in Dest. Some of y'all I know, some of y'all I do not. Hoping I get to know y'all soon. Um, and I'm 59 00:23:44.080 --> 00:24:07.840 super excited to represent Dest. >> Awesome. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. All right. Proclamation for National Safe Boating Week. I don't see any names in here, so thank goodness. All right. National Safe Boating Week. 60 00:24:07.840 --> 00:24:28.400 Whereas for over Oh, yes. I'm sorry. FWC, uh, Coast Guard, Fire Department, Sheriff's Department. Can you guys all come up here and join me? All the badges. All right. All right. Well, first and foremost, thank you guys for coming down here and 61 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:43.279 spending some time with us. We really appreciate not only today, but what you guys do out in the waters each and every day for our community, our guests, our tourists. Uh just making sure everyone stays safe and having fun out there. Uh boating is a privilege and it can also be dangerous. So, we appreciate having qualified eyes and ears out there, 62 00:24:43.279 --> 00:25:00.400 making sure everyone uh gets home safe. National Safe Boating Week. Whereas for over 100 million Americans, boating continues to be a popular recreational activity. From coast to coast and everywhere in between, people are taking to the water and enjoying time together 63 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:16.720 boating, sailing, paddling, and fishing. And whereas during National Safe Boating Week, the US Coast Guard and the National Safe Boating Council along with federal, state, and local safe boating partners in uh encourage all boers to explore and enjoy America's beautiful 64 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:33.520 waters responsibly. Whereas National Safe Boating Week is observed to bring attention to important lifesaving tips for recreational boers so that they can have a safer, more fun experience out on the water throughout the year. Whereas safe boating begins with preparation, 65 00:25:33.520 --> 00:25:48.720 the Coast Guard estimates that human air or poor judgment, not by the boat, equipment, or environmental factors account for most boating accidents and that life jackets could be prevented, life jackets could prevent nearly 75% of 66 00:25:48.720 --> 00:26:05.200 boating fatalities. Whereas on average 650 people die each year in boating related accidents in the US 75% of these fatalities caused by drowning. And whereas a significant number of boers who lose their lives by 67 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:20.720 drowning each year could be alive today had they worn a life jacket while on the vessel. Whereas through basic boating safety procedures, carrying life safe life-saving emergency distress and communication equipment, wearing life 68 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:37.360 jackets, attending safe boating courses, participating in free boat safety checks, and staying sober then na when navigating, we can help ensure voters on America's coast, inlands, and offshore waters stay safe throughout the season. Now therefore, I, Bobby Wagner, as 69 00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:53.440 mayor, and on behalf of the Destin City Council, do hereby support the goals of the safe boating campaign and proclaim May 16th through the 22nd, 2026 as National Safe Boating Week and the start of the yearround efforts to promote safe 70 00:26:53.440 --> 00:27:18.559 boating. Thank you guys so much. This is a more of a Coast Guard thing. I'll get you Awesome. All right. And same coins. So, here you guys go. Thank you guys so much for everything you guys do from a leadership perspective. Thank your teams all around 71 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:35.440 because I know you guys aren't out there. If you're here, you're probably not out there as much as the rest of your crew. So, thank you guys. All right. I say this all the time, but when I was 17, the worst thing that a teacher could do is call call on me and tell me to 72 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:51.440 read the next paragraph in front of the classroom. So, you know, there's only one way to, you know, break your fear, and that's just to barrel right into it all. All right. All right. So, as uh Mr. Ray Ba, uh Mr. Ray Bailey, another nickname, uh 73 00:27:51.440 --> 00:28:08.080 mentioned in his farewell address. Uh we do have another very cool resolution that is not necessarily government uh design, but more just appreciation and recognition of someone's uh just tireless commitment and dedication to our community. So, uh Councilman Dustin, 74 00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:31.279 can you please come up here? You got the the big plaque here. Oh man, you must have done something good. A resol resolution of the board of directors of the Florida League of Cities, honoring Dewey Dustin Jr. for 25 75 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:48.159 years of elected service and presenting him with the John Land Years of Service Award in recognition of his selfless commitment to municipal leadership and governance. Whereas America's municipal government have long relied upon the selfish leadership of their citizens for 76 00:28:48.159 --> 00:29:04.480 local self-government and Florida's municipal government share the time-honored role as the level of government closest to the people. Whereas in places extraordinary responsibility upon citizen legislators, municipal-eleed officials who make 77 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:21.520 significant sacrifices on their time and their energy on behalf of their citizens, making this commitment a true labor of love. Whereas municipal leaders strive for excellence in their government governance of their cities, towns or villages and commitment commits 78 00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:36.159 themselves to providing quality service, governing effectively and working to improve the quality of life for all. Whereas the league as named in years of service recognizing the honor of John Land, a mayor of Apoka between the years 79 00:29:36.159 --> 00:29:53.760 of 1949 and 2014, a leaders who's dedicated his unsurpassed uh time and energy at all levels of government for a model that we all strive to become. Whereas several terms in office are high are a high commitment 80 00:29:53.760 --> 00:30:10.080 voters give to the officials. And with these years of excellence comes strengthened in wisdom, discernment, and a strong leadership of skills that bring tremendous value to the municipal government of Florida. And whereas Dewey Destin Jr. has held office in the city 81 00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:27.520 of Dest for now 25 years and is recognized for this outstanding achievement. Now, therefore, it be resolved by the board of directors of the Florida League of Cities that Dwey Dest Jr. is commended for his dedication to the city of Destin and is hereby 82 00:30:27.520 --> 00:30:55.360 recognized as an outstanding public servant throughout the state of Florida. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Thanks. >> It's a real honor to receive this and I appreciate that the league was uh presented it and is paying attention to 83 00:30:55.360 --> 00:31:11.600 what we're doing up here. >> Yeah, >> that's all that's a good thing. I wanted to say one thing that was also an honor to me is to to receive this award in the same ceremony and at the same time that Ray Bailey has received his. I'd like to say that it has been an honor to serve 84 00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:28.440 with Ray all these years. He's been a man that has displayed integrity and honesty and most of all patience with the shenanigans that he has to put up from his elected officials and he will be sorely missed. >> He also gave you his 85 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:43.840 All right, that's it. All right, good deal. All right, thank you everyone. And um I just wanted to take one more moment and say between the recognition of 25 years and and Mr. Bailey here at 24, um whether it's through an email, a a 86 00:31:43.840 --> 00:31:59.039 comment online, a a direct message from any social media platform, uh when I say thank you, but it really is the council and staff, this is the kind of stuff that I'm trying to refer to and it's just it takes too many words. So the reason we love this community, the 87 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:14.320 reason Destin's so special is quite honestly not only these two, but these two embody u the leadership, the dedication inside the city walls and and halls as well as up here on the DAS of really what makes this community great. So I just wanted to uh really just bring 88 00:32:14.320 --> 00:32:31.200 it home with without you guys, we wouldn't be here and that's everyone up here. Um but it's so amazing to be able to honor decades of service uh from the individuals inside and outside the halls and as well as on the dis. So, I really appreciate you guys. We all appreciate you guys. Thank you so much each and every one of you for for what you do. 89 00:32:31.200 --> 00:33:00.080 Um, it's a labor of love like the resolution says and you you wouldn't do it if if it wasn't meaningful. So, I really appreciate everyone just loving Dustin. So, thank you. Uh, she said no. >> I I think we're going to keep rolling. >> Sounds good. 90 00:33:00.080 --> 00:33:17.360 >> I know. All right. 8:30, 8:40. And here comes the meeting. All right. So, we will start off with public comments. Yes. All right. So, if anyone here is from the public and wish Yeah. >> Did you think we're going to push? She said 91 00:33:17.360 --> 00:33:32.720 we're pushing. >> Yep. All right. I think we're pushing the next meeting. >> Yep. All right. Public comments. My left, y'all's right. If anyone wishes to speak on anything that's not on the the um public hearings, this is your time to do so. Uh yes, ma'am in the front, and 92 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:51.200 I'll get Allan in the back. You're on Legion, correct? >> I am. >> All right. I remember you. All right. Just hit that gray button. Name and address. >> That that gray button >> uh on the mic. Yeah, there you go. >> There you go. Uh I'm Roxy Wilson. I live 93 00:33:51.200 --> 00:34:08.639 at 614 Legion Drive and have since 1978. The road that you guys are building behind my house, I have spoke to you guys last time. Um it it's um something I feel very very strong about having more than just a wall. I brought the 94 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:25.919 visual aids this time because there's no way that I could cut a fence I mean a gate through my fence and enjoy the park because 614 is right here. This is the road. I'm going to give you all this, but 614 is here. And the road 95 00:34:25.919 --> 00:34:41.919 comes right here behind my house. It comes closest to my house than anybody else on the whole thing. And um I'm the only one of the only homeowners left on the street. And I feel like I've done we've done really good at keeping the 96 00:34:41.919 --> 00:34:57.599 property really nice. It's my haven. We've had the Zoo Gallery for 46 years. When I come home, Bamboo Retail for 46 years. about the one thing I enjoy doing is getting in my backyard. It's like my haven. Since this has all started, it's been kind of a nightmare. Um, 97 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:14.880 unfortunately, I know these things have to happen, but this is kind of what my backyard looks like. And right now, you can see from this picture, this is what I'm looking at. the big whatever it's called machinery which that 98 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:30.720 machinery whatever you call those things is right behind my my fence. So why I'm showing you all this is to hopefully make you understand a little bit more where I live and why I'm so concerned. Like I said before, my grandchildren live I mean come over. 99 00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:46.880 They play back there. They're in the pool and you get a car out of control, it's going to come through my back fence. I I feel like whether you can afford to do something stronger through the hallway, but I feel like something stronger than a vinyl fence to the parts 100 00:35:46.880 --> 00:36:02.079 that come closest to the people that live there, I think, would be I know it's expensive, but I think we need something more. I would like to see something more of a wall that's built, even if it's just I know the expense is is huge, but I would like to see something stronger that a car cannot 101 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:18.960 come through my back fence. And I also don't want strove lights with the traffic. I don't want the noise. I know it's going to be there, but I anything you can do to cut down my uh you know, it's my it's where I live and I've lived there my whole life. So, I would 102 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:47.440 appreciate any concern. I'm going to give you guys this so you can understand what I'm talking about and thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right, Alan. For the record, Alan Osborne. Uh, I'm going what I was going to say, I'm going to stop because I was sitting there 103 00:36:47.440 --> 00:37:05.560 certain searching statistics. Uh, for Ry Ray, you said you had uh 26 years here, 22 years in the military. I just searched that of of retired workers who do public service.16% 104 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:23.359 of people who make it to retirement will serve 48 years of public service. I mean the the numbers whether you're making E9 or 010 in the military it's below that. It's it's less than 10% of the 105 00:37:23.359 --> 00:37:39.119 statistics of people who reach the top ranks in their field. So, I just want to point out what an incredible statistic that is of PE. We can't get kids sometimes to do volunteer to pick up cans or something, much less have a generation that's willing to serve 48 106 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:56.160 years. I mean, we're worried about which bathroom to go in. So, what a fine example you've been to everybody around you to put that. I did 35 years. I couldn't imagine doing 40 years. So, I I salute you for that. Now, back to being me. Boy, we got a 107 00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:13.119 mess, don't we? And and and I think y'all got a good hand of cards that you ought to play. You do because uh it it goes back to what Jim said. This is a matter of trust. And this is an election year and it's not about doing election 108 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:29.839 things. It's about making sure that government knows that it represents us. And and I'm sorry, but no matter what party you're in, we have too much pack money influencing our quality of life. And you are our barrier to that. You are 109 00:38:29.839 --> 00:38:47.839 the catcher. You're to make sure no foul balls go by and get somebody. And so it's it's going to be really up to small government and grassroots to save America because we're kind of going the wrong direction. All of us see it. 110 00:38:47.839 --> 00:39:04.640 But I'm proud y'all are still standing up for us. You know, I know there's public officials that's gone to law enforcement and want that thing investigated, but it's too ugly. It's like GM going broke. They just don't want to. Don't let it die. I hope you're listening to 111 00:39:04.640 --> 00:39:20.560 me, the county. I hope you're listening to me out there watching this show. Drew, you had showed your face here. You represent our section of the city. And uh I'm ashamed of how y'all dodged this like anything I ever said was false. 112 00:39:20.560 --> 00:39:38.320 It's 100% true. You and Paul are weak. And and and Trey's just not being an honest lawyer. He's conflicted. And it's time for y'all to win back the trust of the people I'm standing here in front of and the people that they represent. So y'all get out of our business tomorrow 113 00:39:38.320 --> 00:40:01.760 or I'm going to come to all your meetings. Thank you very much. And thank you All right. Yes, sir. Oh, >> hey. Good evening. I'm Rob Valatin. I live on Holiday Isle. I'm a board member and officer of the Holiday Isle Improvement Association. I'm here 114 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:17.280 tonight to get an update on the state acquired land on Holiday Isle. I want to learn more about when the meeting with Mr. Destin and Mr. Palmer will be held in Tallahassee. The timeline has expired and I would like to see where this stands. I unfortunately was unable to attend the last Okaloosa BCC meeting as 115 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:33.680 I was in Ireland on a trip with my wife for which I'm an unapologetic husband. Um, we had a great time. However, I did make time in our travels to watch the meeting live from my hotel room. I may or may not have had a glass of Guinness in front of me while I did so. But at 116 00:40:33.680 --> 00:40:50.079 the end of the meeting, Mr. Palmer expressed that he has a fiduciary duty to all residents of Okaloosa County and he was merely trying to meet those fiduciary obligations when negotiating with the city. He went on to express his desire for the city to open up for free not just the norgo point parking but all 117 00:40:50.079 --> 00:41:05.520 paid parking in the city of Destin to all residents of Okaloosa County. I do not know how much parking revenues are for the city nor do I know how much of that is generated from Okaloosa County residents not living in Dest. and I would be interested in knowing this to see what his proposal would cost the 118 00:41:05.520 --> 00:41:20.880 city. Regardless, I encourage you to reject that proposal. He will fulfill his fiduciary duty to the county residents by simply voting to turn over the management of the park to the city and thus removing the $5 million obligation that the county has committed 119 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:37.200 to the state. Anything more than that is just simple escalation. In closing, I applaud you all for your attempts to negotiate with the county, but it takes two parties to be willing to participants and for both to negotiate in good faith. You're doing your part, and it appears 120 00:41:37.200 --> 00:41:53.359 two of the five board members of the Okaloosa County Board are doing so as well. However, it takes three of the five, and I don't see the other three being forthcoming or negotiating in good faith. Stay strong. We continue to support you all in your efforts to keep the area pristine and under 121 00:41:53.359 --> 00:42:12.160 conservation. And thank you all for what you do for the city. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Marcy. All right. Miss Pat Fitzpatrick. Good evening. May Good evening, mayor, council members. Joe Fitzpatrick, 3879 122 00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:27.200 Indian Trail. Um, you know, as you're aware, we're 25% of the way through uh temporary easement and study on the drainage carter on Indian Trail. Uh what I've done tonight is just put together a real quick short visual uh to sort of give perspective of the whole entire 123 00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:43.200 area. So all this information comes directly from the city's documentation as well as published documents that we walk through. So let's go down memory lane. So uh if you look at the historical topography maps of Destin, look at everything that's out there. You 124 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:59.680 see simply diffused sheet flow. You have some scattered wetlands uplands uh and then also you have Holly branch boundary defined as a boundary but no real defined channel or anything historically. Next comes the infrastructure. You insert an airport in 125 00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:15.839 a runway. Uh you have significant elevation changes, grading occurs, you install Indian trail and you install a 36-in uh covert to release the upward uh waterway. Then comes the subdivisions. You take Indian Woods, you have clear 126 00:43:15.839 --> 00:43:32.240 drainage plans that clearly outline the water directed to this culvert. Then comes Indian Trail Estates. Same water drainage directed over to the culvert. Collectively, you have over 90 homes, greater than 50% impervious surfaces. Cap couple that with 50 plus acres of 127 00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:48.079 basin and subbasin. So take those subdivisions, have all the homeowners complain with the drainage. You have city council meetings. Hundreds of thousands of dollars is spent to put piping directly to the covert. You have airport outfall defined in out airport 128 00:43:48.079 --> 00:44:05.440 uh storm water plants directing the same. And then let's put in a sidewalk. Let's put in curb and gutter. Let's route all the water 400 linear feet all the way through everything directed to the curb. Uh and then you collectively through that area you have eight MS4 outfalls documented in own city's storm 129 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:22.079 water. So what do you have? You basically have a I can't read I don't have in front of uh you have significant upward conveyance. Uh you have node 167 which is in the storm water plan. Uh basically eroding lateral migration of a 130 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:38.960 creek over time over period which comes down to node 168 which is in the direct city storm water plan. 18,000 gallons per minute is the peak flow. For perspective, that is four times the main street Indian trail project that the city completed most recently. Four times 131 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:55.200 collectively, you have uh lost parcel, you have erosion, lateral migration, you have expanded wetlands, and then you have, you know, what is considered to be potentially usability of land. U so with that, all the documentation's there as you work through the study. I just thought it was important to make sure 132 00:44:55.200 --> 00:45:11.040 that the information is there. Not sure much how how much more has to be reviewed. Uh but I think it's time for resolution. So I would appreciate tonight just a progress update where we're at uh for the first two weeks as well as what's expected over the next two weeks. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. 133 00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:37.920 >> Very creative. All right. Anyone else public comments? >> Yes, sir. Josh Douly representing Autoworks Towing and Recovery. Um, good evening guys. Today uh we're doing something with this 134 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:53.520 uh with this resolution, but I just wanted to be straightforward. We're not asking for more money because we want more profit. The cost of living, the cost of insurance and everything. I provided um everybody a email format of 135 00:45:53.520 --> 00:46:12.480 an infographic that shows you know diesel fuel right now which most of our trucks don't offer at 519 a gallon. Um some places are higher here even when we do the rebates or the the service programs. Um that's a 61% increase since 136 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:28.480 just in the last 12 months, not even since we've raised the rates before. um labor costs for qualified drivers, that's up 35% cumulatively. Um then these aren't projections. This is this is what we're uh faced with every day. 137 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:44.160 You know, the to keep people qualified people. Commercial property taxes. Um we have the highest effective property tax rate in Okaloosa County. Um they've increased 40% since 2022 when we last 138 00:46:44.160 --> 00:47:01.520 raised these fees. the cost of living has risen 24% since 2022 when we raise these fees. >> So the rates that we're proposing in to increase for towing is they're they're 139 00:47:01.520 --> 00:47:18.000 structured. They're very specific. There's no questions. Nobody it's not confusing for anybody anymore. We've, in fact, in in what I sent you guys, we outlined it so well that you it's it's pretty basic when somebody can look at it, you know, 140 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:33.760 and we're the ones that are out there at 2 in the morning in the rain. Um, every so many years, the snow um, you know, cleaning up these accidents and getting the roads open. And so, I just want you to consider that as you're looking at what we proposed to you guys. Thank you. >> Sir, when did you send that and to who 141 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:49.760 did you send it to? I sent that um effectively I asked the city manager or somebody here the other day because when I sent it to your email it bounced back to me >> in person >> to your city of destiny email >> never get >> yeah I don't know so maybe I don't know 142 00:47:49.760 --> 00:48:21.520 if you guys have an IT guy or what but I did send that to everybody on the at least on the list of the the websites >> all right thank you sir anyone else good evening everyone. Stan Nicolov uh representing Destin to brothers. Uh I 143 00:48:21.520 --> 00:48:36.720 would like just to say a few things I'll be very short this time. Uh first I would like to say that in the last month and a half I've been here uh what three times now and I've been living in Destiny since 2007. uh just basically in the last month and a half I've been here more often than all that time. I 144 00:48:36.720 --> 00:48:52.720 appreciate what you guys do for the city, Mr. Bailey. Um as well, what you did for the city is incredible. Um I'm not going to go into details uh this time as far as uh what does it cost to operate a service, a toll service. I think the county already have done that 145 00:48:52.720 --> 00:49:08.079 uh they did that in the last few years. They did a very very deep research and they came up with those rates that are currently um established for the county. The only thing that I believe you guys should be discussing um and you should be voting for is whether there should be a 146 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:26.160 difference between the rates in Destin Fort Walton and Cresville. if there is a common sense uh and if there is a reason for us to be asking to have higher rates based on the cost of operation and running a business in Destin compared to Cresville Fort Walton or even Niceville. 147 00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:41.760 Um and that's pretty much the bottom of it. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, sir. All right. Anyone else? All right. Seeing none, we'll close the public comments and we will get into the consent agenda. Do I hear a motion? >> Motion to approve. 148 00:49:41.760 --> 00:50:00.319 >> Second. the motion and a second. No, not see any further discussions. We will call the vote. All right, Morgan and Abear. There you go. 149 00:50:00.319 --> 00:50:16.960 >> She's signing on. >> Everything went to sleep. It took a while. All right. 70. So moved. All right. Mr. Boss Man Jones, happy birthday. Good evening and >> and our city manager is here on his birthday. That's how dedicated you are. 150 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:31.119 >> That's what we do. Uh Miss Cop is going to take item 4, please. >> I think T did the same thing. >> Thanks, Dr. Jones. Um so this is an update on the state acquired lands next to the city's Norgo Point Park and also 151 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:48.839 consideration of resolution 2026 13 for protection of shorebirds. And um before I get into the status, we have some guests here from Ottabon, Florida that I believe would like to speak with you. Do you all want to come up? >> Great. 152 00:50:54.240 --> 00:51:10.720 All right. So, just hit that gray button or if you want to grab the mic. I don't know if you're both going to talk. Uh >> press the gray button. >> Perfect. Yep. There you go. >> Perfect. Do you need name and >> uh sure yes please. >> My name is Colette Liza. I am the 153 00:51:10.720 --> 00:51:27.119 Ottabon program manager. >> My name is Brian Kimano. I'm the shorebird stewardship coordinator. >> Awesome. So on behalf of Aottabon Florida, we would like to thank the city of Destin for considering this resolution on supporting the protection 154 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:42.400 and preservation and management of the imperiled beach nesting birds that have chosen to nest on Norgo Point. Ottabon's mission is to protect birds and the places they need. And we are excited to see the city's commitment to 155 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:58.559 promoting environmental stewardship, ecological resilience, and responsible use of public land for the present and future generations. Black skimmers and lease turns currently nesting there depend on quiet, undisturbed stretches 156 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:15.119 of beaches to forage, nest, and rest. These birds are aerial fishers that rely on the same productive coastal waters that have earned Destin its reputation as the world's luckiest fishing village. As Florida's population continues to 157 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:31.920 grow and coastal development increases, open sandy beaches along these emerald waters become increasingly important. Even small localized protections can make a meaningful difference during nesting season when the birds are especially vulnerable 158 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:47.520 while raising their young. Actions that help maintain suitable nesting habitat contribute directly to the long-term stability of these populations. Public education and community awareness surrounding these sensitive nesting 159 00:52:47.520 --> 00:53:04.160 areas and seasonal wildlife protections are also critical through Ottabon Florida's share the shore initiative. We look forward to helping promote stewardship within the community while closely monitoring nesting activity throughout the summer. We are grateful for the support of the city of Dest and 160 00:53:04.160 --> 00:53:20.400 the local community and taking steps to protect these birds and help keep our coastal habitats habitats functioning for wildlife. We look forward to continuing to work together to conserve these species for years to come. Thank you. >> Awesome. Thank you guys so much. 161 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:39.680 >> Thank you so much for coming. >> Thank you for being here. >> Okay. And um Tamara, do you want to push that button >> and then >> Yeah. >> Um we're not done. If you could just Yeah, because it gets a little feedback. So, at this point, I would like to read 162 00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:57.200 the title of resolution 2613. This is a resolution of the city council of the city of Dest, Florida, supporting the protection, preservation, and management of shorebird habitat on and around the city's Norgo Point Park and adjacent state-owned lands. Supporting the efforts of the Florida Fish and Wildlife 163 00:53:57.200 --> 00:54:13.280 Commission and Ottabon, Florida to protect shorebirds. Supporting the promotion of shorebird conservation practices, public education, and habitat stewardship. providing for findings of fact, directing transmitt of this resolution to the state of Florida, and providing for an effective date. And 164 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:29.599 council, uh, as you consider this resolution, just note that, um, as I mentioned at the prior meeting, FWC did reach out to us as well as Ottabon Florida. Um with respect to protection of the shorebirds in this area um it has become a sensitive nesting area and as 165 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:47.119 you know Noriega Point Park is already um held by the city in future land use and zoning that is conservation and staff strongly recommends the same future land use and zoning for uh the new land um newly acquired stateowned 166 00:54:47.119 --> 00:55:05.680 land. So with that um I'll let you consider resolution 2613. Sorry, Kim. Can you read that again? Do >> you want to adopt the res? >> Yes. Yeah, of course. Do you need me? >> You need a motion with respect to the >> Sorry. Sorry. I I was had some someone 167 00:55:05.680 --> 00:55:22.640 talking to me. >> Listen, I had someone talking to my ear. All right. So, I have Councilwoman Traml with a motion. Councilwoman Aber with a second for the resolution. Any further discussions? >> Moment. Mayor. >> Yeah. I would suggest that we amend the resolution to invite the county to enter 168 00:55:22.640 --> 00:55:39.119 into a joint resolution with us to protect the shorebirds. Um I the shorebirds have always been nesting here. The only time they stopped is when heavy construction was going on out there when I was 5 years old. We would go over there and the the birds were 169 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:54.559 nesting by the hundreds if not thousands. So, we need to go back to um the way it was since it's now been acquired by the state. And I would think the county who have expressed an issue in being involved in this property would 170 00:55:54.559 --> 00:56:11.280 also be supportive of our attempt to support the nesting birds. And what would be the proper just to amend them the resolution to invite or >> uh I would suggest if you support the resolution to pass it and then you could 171 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:27.799 do a separate motion to request that the county passes one in support. We could even give them our form. Sounds good. We'll we'll do that after it passes hopefully. >> All right. And with that, I have a motion in second. Uh and I will call the vote. 172 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:44.400 >> And I did want to just throw on record uh I got uh Nick Vital from Northwest Regional Shorebird Biologist with FWC. I went on their site and just asked for some confirmation and there are four uh nesting sites or breeding nest sites out 173 00:56:44.400 --> 00:57:01.200 there that are tier one and tier two. um one being that four acres and then three other sites nearby. Um so they they have confirmed that by this April there's several sightings or several nesting and breeding sites and um there's a lot of things that go with that that we'll need 174 00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:22.480 to do to protect them all. So thank you for that. Councilman Dustin. >> All right. Eyes have it. So moved. Uh, Councilman Dustin, would you like to make your motion to move this? >> Yes. I will move that we invite >> I'll move that we invite the county to 175 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:38.480 enter into a joint resolution with this on this nerd bird nesting issue. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion. >> And I would also uh move that we send the mayor and the city manager and city attorney to the meeting tomorrow to invite them to participate with us. 176 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:54.559 >> Awesome. Oh, well, I appreciate that. >> I'll be there. >> I'll be there. we will be happy to attend and um make that request of the county. And just for the public um and for the record, the meeting is tomorrow at 8:30 a.m. at the Opaloosa County 177 00:57:54.559 --> 00:58:17.119 Administration Complex in Shalomar in the BCC chambers. >> Awesome. Thank you for that. With my motion from Councilman Dustin, second by Councilman Bagby. Seeing no further discussions, we'll call that vote. All right. eyes have it. So moved 70. 178 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:32.799 >> Okay. And then I think you all already know this, but the meeting between Council Member Destin and Commissioner Palmer that was scheduled for April 30th um was cancelled and then they were supposed to meet between May 12th and 15th when the session was reconvened. 179 00:58:32.799 --> 00:58:48.640 That didn't happen either. Um, so, uh, I don't know if council member Destin has anything to add or >> I've been assured by our representatives in Tallahassee that the meeting will take place. We just don't know when because they are having a terrible time 180 00:58:48.640 --> 00:59:05.359 passing a budget, it appears, and are still there. Though I hope next week they will give us the time. >> That's it. Thank you. >> Great. >> All right. So before we we have the Arbor Day people back and all that. So I 181 00:59:05.359 --> 00:59:21.680 didn't know if it would be best now or if we wanted to put these two together >> this next issue or >> Yeah, we're going to look at B and C. >> That's what I was going to say. Let's let's keep the topics together and then we'll we'll interject. >> Yeah. >> So item 4 B >> question. >> Oh yeah. Council Schmidt. 182 00:59:21.680 --> 00:59:37.359 >> Yeah. So, when we go to this meeting tomorrow, is it the city of Destin's um position to tell the county that the timeline has expired and we're asking them again again to support a resolution and turning over the lease to the city 183 00:59:37.359 --> 00:59:54.960 of Dustin? >> I think the motion that I made was to to the ner the bird issue only. >> I I think they know our position on the resolution. Uh, and in fact, it's not the county or us that have caused the 184 00:59:54.960 --> 01:00:10.000 delay. I think it's simply the budget process. >> Well, these are the same state legislators that signed in the budget amendment at midnight before the budget was done to purchase the property and the same legislators that are also um, 185 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:26.079 you know, related to the donors of the property when he sold it. Are these the same legislators we're talking about? I don't know how the individual legislators voted on this issue, but you know, they have said that they will have a meeting for us with the secretary 186 01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:42.400 of the D. I expect that they will do that. >> Okay. >> So, we as individuals can go to that meeting tomorrow to >> Yes, of course. It's noticed for two or more council members to attend. Anyone can speak during public input. We're not on the agenda, but typically we fill out 187 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:57.200 the speaker card and then we speak during public input. So, at the previous commissioner meeting, the city of Dest was represented by most folks here and these two with a request to have the 188 01:00:57.200 --> 01:01:14.640 lease be given to the city of Dest. Are we not going to be vocalizing that as a city of Dest? >> That that is an outstanding request. We passed a resolution. You all adopted it and the BCC is aware that that is our request as is as are the state reps. Um, 189 01:01:14.640 --> 01:01:30.799 so if you want to reiterate that request, you're welcome to. >> So it's accurate to still say that the city of Dest is >> Oh, absolutely. Our until council rescends that resolution, your position is you would like to lease and manage the park um and have that be done by the city, not 190 01:01:30.799 --> 01:01:46.400 the county. >> Right. Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. So, if they don't have an agenda item and we're just speaking in the public uh input part either at the beginning 191 01:01:46.400 --> 01:02:02.720 and or at the end uh what what is it we're going there to do I guess to >> going there to ask them for the joint resolution on the birds per council member Destin's motion and then I'm just 192 01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:19.280 uh answering Kevin's question if he wants to add a reminder about the other resolution, he's welcome to, but our main stance is to ask for protection of the shorebirds. And again, this is um the city staff recommending that that property be maintained as conservation. And this is yet another reason. 193 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:39.520 >> Okay. >> All right. There. Item 4B and 4 C we're going to discuss together. Uh 4B regarding the Fourth of July fireworks. Um, if we're interested in pursuing or continuing with the fireworks display on 194 01:02:39.520 --> 01:02:56.000 the 4th of July, we would need to execute an extension to our continuing service agreement with the Pyro Shows, Inc., who we have a contract with. However, to utilize that contract annually, we have to do uh and execute an extension to that agreement for the 195 01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:12.640 year. So, we've not done that. So, we're not compelled under that contract to hold a fireworks show. So absent action by council, again, we're not compelled to do that. Uh there's been some discussion that perhaps we would u rather have a drone show. Uh 196 01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:28.640 particularly considering we just passed a resolution to protect the shorebirds and the fireworks show requires an incidental tape permit in case we do um cause injury or harm or death to any of those birds. Um and that's about a $9,000 197 01:03:28.640 --> 01:03:46.960 u permit. So, not if we decide to do the drone show, which I know the mayor has done some work on and we're it's still viable to move in that direction if we chose to. We can certainly if the council wants to do fireworks, we can do that. Um that we would ask for your 198 01:03:46.960 --> 01:04:03.760 action to direct us to bring back a a recommendation at the next meeting regarding that drone component of the show. Um, there are for there's $40,000 in the budget for the fireworks show that we could certainly move and apply to a drone show if we so desired. 199 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:20.319 There's also an additional $10,000 in the budget that the parks foundation has agreed to try to raise money to supplant those dollars. And there's another $7,000. Uh, we had already engaged a a firm to move forward with that 200 01:04:20.319 --> 01:04:35.760 incidental tape permit, but we put them pump the brakes on that. So there's about $7,000 available there as well. So between the 40,000, the 10,000, and the $7,000, there's about $57,000. That does not take any uh budget 201 01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:52.000 amendment to move forward into a drone show if that's what council so chose to do. >> All right, Councilwoman Neighbor. >> So just to clarify, the cost of the drone show is pretty much kind of the same price as it would be for the fireworks. probably just a 202 01:04:52.000 --> 01:05:07.680 little small difference in pricing, but also friendly to our birds that we're trying to take care of, as well as the residents and those that have talked about PTSD. >> I I'll I think that's accurate, but I'll certainly defer to the mayor. He's had more discussions on the cost and some of 203 01:05:07.680 --> 01:05:23.200 those things and but he can give you a better answer. >> Yeah, I appreciate that. And back to Nick with Northwest Florida Regional Biologist here for FWC. I'm just going to read the one line here. uh drone light shows. Okay. Any activity that occurs within 300 ft from an active breeding site has the potential to cause 204 01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:39.599 take and as outlined above events with loud noises uh such as fireworks will need at least 75 miles from the active breeding sites or roosting sites. While they do not have specific guidance on drone shows, I would recommend so basically without getting into the noise 205 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:55.039 and I can get this over to Lisa to to send out to council. um we just need to launch the drone 600 ft away and when they're in the air stay 300 ft away and the noise, lights, all that is mitigated without no take of the permit. So the 206 01:05:55.039 --> 01:06:12.440 short answer is much easier. With drones we need 600 feet. With fireworks we need nearly a mile. >> And also with the fireworks we have to buy what did you call it like a $9,000 permit in case we kill the birds? >> Incidental take permit. Yes, ma'am. 207 01:06:12.640 --> 01:06:30.280 >> All right. Any other questions? >> Yeah, >> please. >> Is it a Are we talking about a eitheror or are we talking about a combined? >> I would think an either or. Either the drone show or the fireworks show. 208 01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:46.160 >> All right. Uh, Councilman Morgan, then Dustin. >> Uh, thank you. Um, yeah, we tried to ban fireworks. the you know if if we don't do fireworks for the 4th of July out of respect for the birds and nobody can say 209 01:06:46.160 --> 01:07:02.640 that I wouldn't support it in theory because in 2016 we tried to ban fireworks on every day except Fourth of July and New Year's Eve and so we can cancel fireworks for Fourth of July in lie of drones and and that will 210 01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:19.200 certainly be helpful. The issue is we have fireworks twice a week I think in the city of Dest um otherwise and I don't think they take off more than 75 miles away from the nesting site. So the question I would have are the people 211 01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:33.760 responsible for those fireworks paying the incidental take fee of $10,000 every time they do fireworks and then also every one of my neighbors and everyone in Destin does fireworks as well on the 212 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:50.480 4th of July. Um, and so I don't know if disingenuous is the right word, but if we're not going to take action on the fireworks that happen twice a week, 6 months a year in this town, I'm not sure cancelling Fourth of 213 01:07:50.480 --> 01:08:07.839 July fireworks from the city is going to achieve the result that we're looking for to protect the shortbirds. >> Yep. And I'll answer both of those. Um so these new guidelines that the um IBNB the uh imperald beach nesting birds new 214 01:08:07.839 --> 01:08:24.000 guidelines came out October 1 of 2024. Uh from there part of that is this new loud noise and performance which is 75 miles away from the the birds. So the majority of Destin uh would be outside that range. Most of Holiday Isle would 215 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:41.679 not and some of West Dest would not. Um, outside of that, the other part, oh man, where were we? I would say that's the main >> Emerald Grand by the way. >> Yeah, in Emerald Grand. I have a public records request out to see who in the county has taken out this permit. I 216 01:08:41.679 --> 01:08:58.080 think with it being a newer uh guidelines and it seems like they were they're coming into more compliance, education compliance now, uh that with this kind of getting ruffled up, they're definitely going to be looking into it. And to answer your question, that public record request will come back to give 217 01:08:58.080 --> 01:09:14.159 you a definite. Uh but I think unfortunately or fortunately, I'm I'm not against or for fireworks. Uh but to your point, that $9,000 is per show uh during their nesting season, which is April uh way through uh summer. Uh I 218 01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:31.279 think it was August. August. Yep. Um yeah, April to August. So, I think uh New Year's seems to be outside their window. So, no big deal there unless we just want to take a strict no firework stance. But the to your disingenuous point, I think it's really about if 219 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:46.560 we're going to protect these birds and we're going to really try to help these endangered birds out that are also locals um that we need to do everything we can uh to make that happen. So, I I'm hoping that both the public and the private sector that put on shows will 220 01:09:46.560 --> 01:10:01.440 will lean this way. Yeah, to your I'm I'm not sure the private sector will be a real cooperative community partner in, you know, eliminating fireworks. If if they're forced to pay a $10,000 fee every time they want to launch, that 221 01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:17.840 would certainly change the calculus. But um you know I think if the city wants to sort of take a go down that road again I you know uh in terms of at least eliminating fireworks 222 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:36.320 during the nesting season I'd entertain that >> but absent of that I'm not sure I would support it. >> Thanks mayor. Um, oh, do we have a way to find out if the non city um fireworks 223 01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:53.120 presenters are paying that $9,000 fee? >> Is that your request for your public? >> That public request is I can tell you they're not paying it right now because they wouldn't be doing it. I doubt I I don't think they would be. >> Yeah, I haven't asked that. Mike just 224 01:10:53.120 --> 01:11:09.280 figured I just go to the public records and that way there's no he said, she said. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. And so back to I guess uh Councilwoman Bagley's point. Um fireworks or drones. Uh Councilwoman Traml, 225 01:11:09.280 --> 01:11:25.280 >> I was just going to say that I I happen to agree with uh Council Member Morgan. Um because I have uh ospre and herand kinds of birds nesting in the trees in my backyard. And yes, my neighbors do 226 01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:40.560 put off their fireworks. And yes, it does. Those birds squawk all over the place, but um I think we need to be looking into something like that if we're going to do it for us. It needs to be for all. >> Mhm. Okay. Councilman Dustin, 227 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:57.120 >> the question is, can we have the fireworks show for the 250th anniversary of the country and protect the birds? I know that we used to always launch the fireworks from barges that were located away from Nora Point. Do we have any idea where they're being launched now 228 01:11:57.120 --> 01:12:12.560 where they plan to launch them this year? And can we require that they be launched on a barge that is the requisite distance from >> defer to Miss Lisa? >> Yeah. And and I'll just answer the barge question. Uh right now every corner of 229 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:30.640 East Pass is covered with birds. Uh, and I got that confirmed when I was kind of trying to read off quickly the locations. So, we we basically have a complete red zone over all four quadrants of East Pass. So, it would have to be 75 miles away from from 230 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:46.080 there. So, yeah, it'd either be in in the bay or farther out in the Gulf as just alternatives. >> Okay. Well, that's an interesting explanation. You would propose that if fireworks are held anywhere within that area, we would pay the 9,000. The point 231 01:12:46.080 --> 01:13:03.120 I'm making is we only have control over what happens in Destin. >> Nora Point is our area that we're trying to protect if we launched them from a barge that was 3/4 of a mile away. We would accomplish that goal and not cancel a firework show. And is it possible to do that? 232 01:13:03.120 --> 01:13:18.320 And where are we launching them from? And where did we launch them from last year? We are launching them on the west jetty on the Eggland property. Um, which we have been for the last 30 years, maybe 20. 233 01:13:18.320 --> 01:13:35.440 >> But, um, barge, yes, you can launch from a barge. We don't have a barge one right now. Um, the shells are smaller. That would be shot that we The shells off of a barge 234 01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:51.520 would be smaller than what we shoot off land. >> Okay. So, if we're launching from over there, what is the distance from the west jetty to our nesting area on Nora Point? >> Uh, I'm not sure on that. 235 01:13:51.520 --> 01:14:07.600 >> We could find out, but >> yes. So, if we get outside the 3/4 mile, then we have accomplished and don't have to have the permit. Is that correct? Or is that just speculation? >> Uh, >> that's that's what they're saying on the email is that that radius, you're now 236 01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:24.400 using that take clause that requires that uh $9,000 permit. So, as long as you're outside that radius, there's no take, there's no fee, there's no permit. >> So, if we're outside the 3/4 mile, >> correct? >> Yeah. But we're not on the west jetty. 237 01:14:24.400 --> 01:14:40.560 We're not. >> We'll have to measure it, won't we? >> Yeah, we're way we're we're maybe a quarter mile. >> Yeah, because we've been doing the take permit for the last three three years. Might be four. 238 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:56.320 >> Okay. >> You Well, I don't want to impact birds and I'm not especially fond of fireworks, but this is a 250th year anniversary. I'd like to do everything we can to mitigate the effects on the birds. The the drone shows are wonderful. I saw one 239 01:14:56.320 --> 01:15:13.040 in California that was as good as any firework show, but you know, Councilman Schmidt. >> Yeah. Mr. Mayor, could you can I just be entertained for a quick second? >> Yeah, I'll entertain you all night. Uh, 240 01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:30.800 I was just curious by a show of hands, who in the crowd would prefer fireworks over a drone show? Could I see if if if you feel like comfortable raising your hands for fireworks? How about a drone show? I'm just 241 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:46.880 curious. Okay, >> there you go. >> Okay, thank you for uh entertaining me for that. I just wanted to see something real quick. >> Cool. All right, Councilman Bagby, you got statistical data. >> You know me, mayor. I'm uh 242 01:15:46.880 --> 01:16:02.480 >> Did you say Crab Island? We could fire. >> No, it don't even have to be Crab Island. Uh I mean, if depending on where we are on the West Jetty, where's Miss Lisa? >> Hey, Lisa. There you go. Uh depending where we are, the uh 243 01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:18.000 3/4 of mile isn't even to the NCO club on uh >> there's two bird nesting sites on that open patch on the west jetties. >> West. >> Oh, okay. >> That's what I'm saying. And it's over there by jetty east on Holiday Isle. 244 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:38.960 Like it's literally on all four points of of the peninsulas there. >> Okay, then let's bring it to Crystal Beach. Yeah. >> Why not? >> You know, there's no birds there. >> Then let's take it to where we're doing 245 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:54.719 uh the cross town connector because that's clearcut right now. Not going to start any fires and everybody in Destin can see it from there. >> All right. So, let's get back on. Let's get back. >> I I appreciate the 246 01:16:54.719 --> 01:17:10.640 >> Yeah. I uh and I appreciate the drone show thing and I appreciate the 50% of the people who favor the drone show. Uh but for the 250th anniversary, >> uh I I'm not going to support the drone show. I'm sorry. 247 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:26.880 >> Okay. I'll I'll throw a little uh history in here for everyone uh just for the fun of it. Uh John Adams, that guy um was kind of quoted for the celebration of how we're going to celebrate. And it never said fireworks. It said illumination 248 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:43.120 and cannons. So if we want to shoot cannons, I'm all for some cannons. But he said illumination and cannons. Um so if we want to really bring it down to the, you know, the Cong the original Congress and independence, just want to throw that out there if we're going that 249 01:17:43.120 --> 01:17:57.840 way cuz I I definitely understand where you're coming from. It's definitely it's turned into a a heritage. Uh but it was never the beginning of it. So I will say let's let's round out cuz we're either going to say yes or no. and I'm okay with either one. I'm obviously going to be for the drones and really just 250 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:13.600 against the fireworks during uh nesting season particularly. But with that, um if we have any further comments or discussions on the matter or I'll entertain a motion and we'll see which way we want to roll this. >> One other comment. The uh if we buy the 251 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:29.040 permit that's supposed to be mitigating, right? >> I believe so. That's the mitigating permit >> that >> that allows us to to scare them. Well, and then we did have to do a mitigation plan also. >> Say that again. 252 01:18:29.040 --> 01:18:44.800 >> So, we have a mitigation plan that we uh provided to FWC and that is through Eglund, their FWC, which is the Jackson Guard that we've always worked with for um before we shoot shoot fireworks and 253 01:18:44.800 --> 01:19:02.159 during the fireworks. Um, so they prepared a mitigation plan to um put a little more nesting area away from the 98 on their property. >> And so there is a mitigation plan in 254 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:17.920 place. >> That is correct. >> And our $9,000 goes toward the the >> the permit permit and the mitigation plan. >> That's correct. And can we cut our show down and substitute some drones as far as time goes? 255 01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:33.440 >> Say that again. >> Could we shorten our fireworks and substitute drone? So the period of >> Oh, and that's kind of where this started. I mean, for me, when this whole thing began, it was like, all right, if we're going to get the foundation involved for $10,000, like, man, I know a local guy who's who's done uh Sand 256 01:19:33.440 --> 01:19:49.440 Destin for Walton and he's going to be doing the drone show for the 250 for the county. He lives in Destin. He loves Destin. He's been here forever. Let's see. Maybe we would have two options on the floor. Do we want a bigger bang at the end or do we want drones at the same time? So, there's flags flying and the 257 01:19:49.440 --> 01:20:04.480 the fireworks going. And then it turned into the birds. And then I got to meet uh some of the autobond people. And then I got deep into it all. And that's kind of how this evolved. But at first it was a and not an ore in my book. And then as we kept going down it seemed more and 258 01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:21.440 more apparent. and is the $10,000 >> that we were going to enhance the fireworks >> and instead of doing a few more fireworks, >> it was an idea for additional drones. >> Correct. >> And then as we learned more and more, we're spending 20% of our drone show 259 01:20:21.440 --> 01:20:38.719 cost for mitigation fees and we're trying to protect the birds and we're, you know, it was one of those I didn't want us talking out both sides of our mouths. Well, if we do substitute drone at the end and cut back on the fireworks, it seems to me that would at least be a step in the direction that we 260 01:20:38.719 --> 01:20:53.840 would like to go. >> Yeah. But we'll still have to be >> We still We have to be paying that fee. >> Sure. We still pay the fee. You don't get out of that at all. >> Yeah. Um, so the other mitigating factor was and will be if we're shooting it 261 01:20:53.840 --> 01:21:10.880 over by the NCO and there's already a a mitigating plan in place and we're moving it away from Nora Point as far as we can, then we have taken steps to protect those shorebirds which are the ones that are within our jurisdiction that we have an obligation to try to 262 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:25.840 protect. >> Okay, I see. Yeah. Okay. Councilman Bagby Van Traml. I'm sorry, ma'am. >> Yeah, the other point, and this will probably come up once or twice later tonight, uh, great idea, would have been 263 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:42.080 an even better idea 6 months ago. I mean, we're 47 days away from executing. And so, uh, to say, well, we're just going to get rid of our original plan, which I think we've already executed a contract for. >> No, no, not yet. 264 01:21:42.080 --> 01:22:02.080 >> Not yet. Okay. So, I just just don't see us. Uh, and I like the idea, although I would put the bang at the end because everybody likes the big bang at the end because then that when they know it's over and start out with the drones and just kind of lead into the thing. 265 01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:17.840 >> Okay. Uh, Councilwoman Traml. Well, I was just going to say that after every year that we've had fireworks, um I know I've heard from the veterans and I've heard from the owners of dogs that it is very disruptive. Even if they're 266 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:34.400 doing it in the past where I live on Chagahuchi Bay, it's disruptive. The dogs are still hiding under the bed. So, um, in light of that, I think we seriously should consider 267 01:22:34.400 --> 01:22:49.920 doing a drone show. >> All right. Council Morgan. >> Yeah. So, we put the public records requests into the D. >> Uh, FWC is where that take program comes. And I would uh in it I I would 268 01:22:49.920 --> 01:23:06.639 venture that they're not paying it, but I I would like to ask the FWC to make sure that anyone shooting fireworks within this range. >> I I say Okaloosa just to kind of cast a wider net. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. But I I I would make a motion to uh not right now, but I I 269 01:23:06.639 --> 01:23:21.679 would put a motion on the floor to request that the FWC enforce that take permit for all partners. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Council Schmidt. >> Yeah. With everything going on at the Harborwalk Village for multiple days, uh, I think the city of Destin should take July 4th and I'll make a motion to 270 01:23:21.679 --> 01:23:38.320 initiate a drone show contract for July 4th, city of Destin celebration in lie of the fireworks. >> I'll second. >> All right, a motion and a second. Any further discussions or just let your vote be your words? >> All right, we'll call the vote. 271 01:23:38.320 --> 01:23:53.920 >> Just just for clarity, that's to bring the contract back for council consideration. >> Correct. Yeah, this one. and and for that drone show to for Councilman Bagley's point, uh they they have um already applied for the FAA. It's free. It just takes about two hours to do the application. So, he's already started 272 01:23:53.920 --> 01:24:16.080 that in just in case we went forward with him in one way or another. All right. Eyes have it. One, two, three, four to three. So moved. Okay. That is B. And is that also C, Mr. Jones. >> All right. >> Thanks for your most. So, we'll 273 01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:39.120 >> All right, kiddos. Thank you for holding in there with us for government. We promise we're not always this lame. All right. We do. We're going to go back to the Arbor Day. All right. >> Want to do this because clearly I can't read it. 274 01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:56.000 >> All right. Awesome. All right. He's actually reaching. >> Oh, fantastic. Oh, you actually are. >> Fantastic. All right. So, come over here. Get your face in the audience here. >> But he would like to introduce. >> Perfect. >> Yes. You don't have to do a thing. >> Just stay in there. >> Excellent. Excellent. 275 01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:11.760 >> Excellent. Well, good job students. They're being well behaved and so good. We're so proud of them. Uh, as he mentioned, as he mentioned at the beginning, I'm Pastor Darius Arnold. we started Faith Coast Academy and this wonderful student has attended our 276 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:26.960 school uh for the last 3 years and so we've gotten a chance to see her grow up and we got invited by Lisa to attend the Arbor Day event happening at Buck Destin Park right next to our school and so we went over there and had a good time 277 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:42.960 brought donations and all that to um support the event but she Lisa asked us is there anybody uh that would like to say something And so I just threw it out to all the students. If anybody would like to give a speech or share something uh at the event, you have an 278 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:58.400 opportunity. And this young lady volunteered and then I asked her to read what she prepared to me. And I was just so impressed. And she did such a great job. We got a call from somebody at the Dustin Log. Can I get her name? I want to put her in a article. And then we got 279 01:25:58.400 --> 01:26:19.760 invited here by Lisa. So, um, I want to introduce one of our wonderful students, Aronza Ramos, as she shares what she produced on Arbor Day at the, uh, tree planting ceremony. >> All right. Good. Good evening, everyone. 280 01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:35.120 I am very happy and honored to be here. This is very much like a dream come true for me. I'd like to thank our mayor, each of our city council members, my parents, and also pastor Darius, Pastor Jane, and Faith Coast Academy for this opportunity. Now, I will read the speech 281 01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:51.760 that I shared at the recent Arbor Day event. So, good morning everyone. Today, we are here to celebrate trees, but also something even greater. Life, kindness, and God's creation. Trees are a powerful symbol. They grow strong over over time, 282 01:26:51.760 --> 01:27:09.440 stand firm in storms, and give so much without asking for anything in return. They provide shade, food, and the air that we breathe. In the Bible, trees were part of God's creation from the very beginning, reminding us that they are a gift meant to bless the world. 283 01:27:09.440 --> 01:27:25.520 Wait, the Bible also teaches that good trees bear good bears good fruit. This is kindness, mercy, and love. We are like a good tree giving something good to others. Today is also about giving. Just like trees are given freely, we are 284 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:41.679 called to help others, share what we have, and give joy. All to please our heavenly father. Thank you for your time. >> Awesome. Good job. Way better than me. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you all for bearing in there with us. 285 01:27:41.679 --> 01:28:10.800 Appreciate it. Awesome. We have one more. All right, I appreciate everyone as we called that audible real quick and I'm just going to give them just a moment to clear out of here and we'll get on to the next. Thank you guys so much for being here and taking your time this 286 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:30.560 evening. All right. I think they're being pretty clear. Uh, boss man Jones, you want to take it away? >> Yes, sir. Item 4D is regarding the uh, comprehensive plan ear amendment and the Inspire pacemaking uh, work authorization. Uh, this item was brought 287 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:46.719 to you at the last council meeting uh, with a request to approve a um, an engagement of $211,000. you were we were asked to go back and revisit that to see if we couldn't bring it down. Uh staff worked with the 288 01:28:46.719 --> 01:29:03.360 Inspire Group and Mr. George Kramer from Inspire is here tonight if you have any questions, but the revised version uh is at $149,500, which is $61,500 less than the previous one. staff has taken on some of the uh uh requests that 289 01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:19.040 were in the uh original proposal, but it's certainly things that we can accomplish in house. So, we present that to you for your consideration tonight. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Councilman Jim Bagby. >> Mayor, I move the city council approve 290 01:29:19.040 --> 01:29:35.840 the city council approve the Inspire Placemaking collective work authorization for the year based amendments per the attached scope and authorize the city manager to execute. All right. I have a motion and I have a second by Councilwoman Traml. Any further discussions on the ear? 291 01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:52.600 >> Just want to thank the staff and and Inspire for working together uh and actually doing some math there. >> There you go. All right. Seeing nothing else on the board, we will call the vote. 292 01:29:57.679 --> 01:30:13.760 >> I have it. So moved. 70. Thank you guys so much for being here. Appreciate all your help. All right, boss man. >> Item 4E is a request from Mr. Wayne Bernett uh for the city council to consider a hardship exemption to the city's temporary livery vessel 293 01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:30.639 moratorum. Um he is represented by Mr. Justin Reo, I believe, and they're here. Um and I know Miss Cop has had some conversation with them, so we're going to allow them to speak. Um make your request to council. >> All right. Well, thank you for being here. Just hit that gray button. 294 01:30:30.639 --> 01:30:44.719 >> There you go. >> You able to hear me? Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Well, um, my name's Justin Reml, and I represent Wayne Bernett and his company, Crab Island Dolphin Tours, and we've also brought Captain Mike and Captain Gunner, who are both here today. 295 01:30:44.719 --> 01:31:00.719 Um, I provided a letter through attorney Cop to the council. If anybody doesn't have a copy, I have some hard copies here. I'd be happy to provide them to you. Okay. um like to tell you a little bit of the background and why we are 296 01:31:00.719 --> 01:31:17.120 asking for a livery license and why it's a hardship. Um Mr. Bernett's lived here for 42 years prior to operating Crab Island Dolphin Tours. He operated a limousine business in the city of Destin for 19 years. In 2014, Mr. Brunett uh 297 01:31:17.120 --> 01:31:31.920 purchased a boat and also got uh United States Coast Guard captain's license at that time. And in 2018, he opened Crab Island Dolphin Tours and began providing captained tours to visitors to our area. This isn't a situation where you turn 298 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:49.199 over the keys to the visitors. Each tour from Crab Island Dolphin Tours has a captain, whether it's Mr. Bernett, Captain Mike, or Captain Gunner. And there's one other who couldn't be here today because he's actually doing a a sunset tour right now. Uh, I'd like to tell you about Crab Island Dolphin Tours 299 01:31:49.199 --> 01:32:06.480 and why it's different from the types of behavior that caused the delivery license moratorum in the first place. Um, so there's two vessels, Crab Island Dolphin Tours. One is uh both are 12 capacity uh occupants on the boat. Um, 300 01:32:06.480 --> 01:32:22.400 they're uh the ported at two different locations. One is Heron Harbor and the other one is uh Pelican Adventures. The Heron Harbor location has a boat slip uh through a written lease with the owner. So there's no situation where we're 301 01:32:22.400 --> 01:32:37.760 dropping off and picking up from transient slips. U so the Heron Harbor location is at 580 Harbor Boulevard. The Pelican Adventures location is at 314 Harbor Boulevard. Also secured a boat slip through a written lease, so we're 302 01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:54.000 not using any transient slips. There's restrooms at each location, both the Heron Harbor location and the Pelican Adventures location for the customers to use. There's also ample parking at both locations. Heron Harbor has two dedicated spots and Pelican Adventures 303 01:32:54.000 --> 01:33:11.040 has paid on-site parking and then overflow off-site parking which is on Benning Drive behind Sexton's where the old VFW used to be if you remember when that was there. U as I said, each tour is operated by a captain. There's four captains on staff. 304 01:33:11.040 --> 01:33:25.360 There's never a situation where we're just throwing the keys to somebody who doesn't know anything about boating. The purpose um and honestly I I've had little interaction with the uh livery vessel moratorium. So I looked it up and I read it and I saw some of the reasons 305 01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:42.639 that it was implemented and they all seem to be related to um unre unregulated use of boats. So for example, uh one of the purposes was to address quote unregulated rental of livery vessels to the public that impacts the welfare of the historic 306 01:33:42.639 --> 01:34:00.080 working waterfront and jeopardizes the health, safety, and welfare of the city's residents, property owners, and visitors. Another reason was to address rentals to quote inexperienced operators, which led to unsafe conditions and the waters of the city. And the third uh quote to preserve the 307 01:34:00.080 --> 01:34:18.320 historic working waterfront of the city. So for Crab Island Dolphin Tours, each trip is captained by by a United States Coast Guard licensed captain. Nobody else operates the vehicles. The each site has dedicated boats boat slips. No 308 01:34:18.320 --> 01:34:35.040 transient slips are used. There's customer bathroom facilities and locations to cut down on the impact to any public facilities that may be there. Um, there's ample parking at both locations and the vessels in the businesses are insured. My client was recently told that he 309 01:34:35.040 --> 01:34:49.840 would have to cease his business if he didn't get a delivery license. And I'd like to tell you a little bit about the hardship that that would be. First of all, there would be four people, uh, two of the captains that are here, the one that's not here, Mr. Bernett, who would lose their livelihood. So, it's it's 310 01:34:49.840 --> 01:35:10.239 serious. Um, if If one of the boats is restricted, it will amount to about a 42.5% reduction in revenue to Mr. Bernett's company. Uh he also purchased a new 311 01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:28.000 vessel in 2025 and a new motor for that vessel totaling $59,000. And basically it would it would stretch out the repayment obligations of that beyond what what's feasible. So, uh, it's a it's a real it's a real issue for Crab 312 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:44.560 Island Dolphin Tours and we would like the the council to grant us delivery license. I also want to point out one more thing is that there have not been any accidents Crab Island Dolphin Tours since it started in 2018. And that is different than uh a lot of the other companies I'm aware of around here that 313 01:35:44.560 --> 01:36:01.679 rent out boats and just throw the keys. Um, I did want to point out one more thing. As we were researching this issue, um, we came to realize that Mr. Bernett did not have city of Destin business tax receipts for 18 through 25 when he started. And um I just want to 314 01:36:01.679 --> 01:36:16.480 be upfront with you guys and address that. The reason is is that Mr. Bernett was unaware of the layered county city um uh tax receipts. He's always had Oakloo County tax receipts and those were exhibits to the letter I provided. 315 01:36:16.480 --> 01:36:31.920 and he'd be willing to pay any penalty uh that the city of Dustin has for the past year's business tax receipts. He does have a 2026 tax receipt and offered to make good on the past years when he got that receipt and they said that you know they leave it up to the council. 316 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:48.000 Um, I'm happy to take any questions that you may have about this application, but we would just ask that that uh the council consider uh and grant Crab Island Dolphin Tours a livery license permit andor medallion that enables them 317 01:36:48.000 --> 01:37:02.880 to operate both their vessels from each of their port locations. >> All right. Well, thank you guys both for being here. Uh, I definitely appreciate you uh guys. I definitely believe in the free market and for you guys to freely chose the captain route. Uh, I definitely appreciate that. And with 318 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:23.040 that, I'll open up to Councilman Braden. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, >> I think Kim wanted >> Oh, I'm sorry. I was actually going to make a clarification, but I didn't want to interrupt. Council member, just my clarification is you're not um and thank 319 01:37:23.040 --> 01:37:37.760 you. That was a great job. You're not >> issuing a permit tonight. The question is whether they um can have an exception to the moratorum by showing the substantial hardship that they expended funds and that you want to allow them to 320 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:54.719 operate. If you do want to grant them an exception, then what happens is staff will take their application and um review any conditions you put on it since such as BTRs and past registrations being paid. They will then review their parking, bathrooms, all of 321 01:37:54.719 --> 01:38:11.679 the things the code requires, and only then if those are met, they would get um the permit. However, if you don't give that authorization, it would be dead in the water now. >> All right. Thank you for that clarification. All right, Councilman Braden. >> Thank you. Um, have you purchased livery 322 01:38:11.679 --> 01:38:27.199 license in the past? >> No, sir. >> Why not? >> Unaware. But that's been one of the hottest topics in this area on this DAS is livery vessels. We put have had a mortorium on 323 01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:43.360 livery vessels for years. >> Um >> I mean I was going to say if you guys step over to the mic just for the record. >> Uh in all honesty I I once once I found out I did call many many times and said 324 01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:59.600 I need to purchase a delivery license. uh secretary or whomever I reached uh then said uh okay, I'll get a hold of that person. Never responded. I called another five times, received no answer to any emails or to any uh phone calls. 325 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:15.119 So I >> You've been operating since 2018? >> I'm sorry. >> You've been operating since 2018? >> Yes, sir. >> You know, it's aggra. It's frustrating to me and and I did this with Crab Island. You know, people went out there 326 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:32.960 and set up shop illegally and then they come to us as a hardship saying, "Well, you're gonna put me out of business." I'm not putting you out of business. If anybody's going to put you out of business going to be you for not following the laws and rules and regulations, and they went and set up on a piece of land that wasn't theirs, 327 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:48.400 didn't have any lease or nothing else, and then come over here talking about we going to put them out of business. I just don't like it when somebody puts that burden on us or saying we're going to put them out of business. Actually, we're just looking I'm just looking to be able to do bareboat. I don't need a livery license to the best of my 328 01:39:48.400 --> 01:40:03.280 knowledge. >> I think the whole bearboat thing is kind of a way of skirting around the livery license is my understanding. >> I don't know about skirting, but I am 100% legal under the United States Coast Guard law. >> The city code provides that a bearboat 329 01:40:03.280 --> 01:40:20.000 is a livery vessel. It's very clear. It says a bearboat is a livery vessel. So he he has to come get a delivery license. >> Correct. That's why he's here tonight. >> Okay. And and we've heard multiple times throughout the years that the mortorium was okay because there wasn't enough parking or anything else to have more 330 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:37.040 livery vessels in the harbor. Um and is it my understanding that you're here tonight because you got caught compliance shut you down or somebody come to your attention? Why why are you here tonight? The way that I understand 331 01:40:37.040 --> 01:40:52.159 it is is the ordinance just came to fruition approximately a month ago. Chris Ko came down to my boat and said, "You need to cease and desist." And I said, "I've been doing this since 18." And again, I'm not a 332 01:40:52.159 --> 01:41:08.920 livery. I'm a captain charter. So, I was understood that I did not need a livery license. So, I did not attempt to pursue one. >> Did a city tell you that? United States Coast Guard told me I'm not a livery. 333 01:41:09.040 --> 01:41:25.520 >> Councilman Braden, the uh the city did adjust its definition, if I'm correct, >> our definition always provided that unless you had a US Coast Guard assigned at all times, no list, no bareboat, um 334 01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:41.280 you would be a livery vessel. What we did definitely not a month ago, but maybe um last year is um we clarified the definition to specifically state a bearboat is a livery um because a lot of 335 01:41:41.280 --> 01:41:57.119 the bearboats that typically have a captain most of the time uh were confused. So we made a clarification, but it was always the rule. >> Yes. And in each charter, every time the boat goes out from crab island dolphin tours, there is 336 01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:13.520 a captain on board manning the vessel, not a visitor or somebody from out of state. There's the definition. I believe the change was the city of Destin added on to the state definition of livery vessel. And I think it was a year ago. 337 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:29.360 So it has been a year. I don't think it was last month, but that's when it was brought to his attention. I mean, the the bottom line is is that we're not saying this is your fault. Please save us. Save us. We're saying that this is one of the good ones, right? He's got captain vessels. He's got 338 01:42:29.360 --> 01:42:46.719 infrastructure. He's got parking. He's got dedicated boat slips. He has licensed captains manning the vessels. He's not turning them loose. So, >> I understand that. And it's I'm always want to find out is the city at fault 339 01:42:46.719 --> 01:43:02.239 or is the individual at fault here. And if the city is at fault in any in any act of it at all miss one thing then I always go to the you know to the client. >> Yes sir. >> Um 340 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:21.600 so that's why I'm having a hard time with it. But um and I guess another thing too is is you know what I said earlier is we've always talked about there is no parking so we don't have to worry about any more livery vessels. So when staff takes this application are they going to determine 341 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:36.639 whether all that parking is already claimed or is it not? Is there enough parking there? The parking that they claim is it already been taken spoken for. I know we're in that process of going to each each property and see what's supposed to be there and what 342 01:43:36.639 --> 01:43:54.480 can't be there. Um, so that's all I got. Mayor, I'll let the rest of my colleagues speak. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Captain Councilman, >> um, I I get Mr. Braden's frustration. You know, we Rodney and I implemented 343 01:43:54.480 --> 01:44:10.880 the moratorum because things were just out of control with the city and we had a lot of bad operators. But that said, I I don't think Mr. Bernett is one. I I understand that the city recognizes um bear boats and liveries as the same. 344 01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:27.360 But I can promise you Mr. Bernett's boats do not operate the same way as some Yahoo from Deuke, Iowa that's never been on saltwater in his life. Um, so I I appreciate the the captain vessels. Um, I think it's making for a safer 345 01:44:27.360 --> 01:44:44.239 harbor and it's the kind of business I think we should encourage and possibly distinguish in the city's code down the line. Uh, I do understand the bearboat fishing charters are completely different because I do think going out in the Gulf of Mexico and fishing is an 346 01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:59.920 issue. Um, I understand both sides of it. Uh but but that said, I would move to approve Mr. Bernett's request tonight. >> All right. I do have a motion on the floor. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. >> But a second with Councilman Dest and the floor is yours as well. 347 01:44:59.920 --> 01:45:15.840 >> Thank you. And I you know, I'll repeat some of Mr. Morgan's observations. These are captain vessels, but to distinguish them from six passenger charter boats. It's true. They 348 01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:31.600 go out and go fishing. Long as you get outside of the jurisdiction out on Crab Island, that's the same as going 50 miles offshore. As far as the law is concerned, these guys are captaining vessels that are operating outside the city limits. I don't know how under the law we can treat them differently than 349 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:47.119 captain pirate boats or captain charter boats or anything else that has a Coast Guard captain. I know that we say they're they're different. I don't know the rationale behind it. It is true that about a year ago we redefined livery to 350 01:45:47.119 --> 01:46:03.280 include his kind of vessel even if it has a captain. Uh judging by the reasons that we had cited to us and that we were all here for when we did the moratorum having a captain vessel on having a 351 01:46:03.280 --> 01:46:19.840 captain on the vessel mitigates most of the reasons we had a moratorum. Um, I wish every pontoon that operates out of this place has a captain and so, you know, I don't know what we stand on once the staff has determined that you do in fact have the required 352 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:37.280 parking that's required of everybody and that you meet the other um obligations you have to have a captain vessel operating in Destin and I don't know what we stand on either rationally or legally other than we just say so 353 01:46:37.280 --> 01:46:53.520 that you're a delivery vessel. So, that's the reason I second it. And uh we need more boats with captains, not less. >> Thank you. All right, Councilwoman Aber. >> Thanks, Mayor. Um I agree with my teammates up here, Chadam and Dewey. 354 01:46:53.520 --> 01:47:08.080 My husband and I were out on the water every weekend and we just amazed at how many idiots from other states come and get a pontoon boat and just cut right in front of us. Cut right in front of the Buccaneer. But it's >> getting worse. We do need more captain 355 01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:23.840 vessels. I think you probably were kind of like left out of the loop back in the day whenever you first signed up in 2018 because of the Coast Guard requirements having a captain. Um, but I wouldn't vote against you not getting your license. I would just say back pay us to 356 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:40.239 2018 for the BTR fees. And if the city um staff finds that you've got the right amount of parking and bathrooms, say more power to you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Uh, Councilwoman Traml, >> uh, I guess, uh, Miss Abram brought it 357 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:57.520 up. U, I was going to ask, uh, Mr. Morgan, did that include or do we need a motion to include the back BTR payment? Do we need to amend your add to your motion or do we need even need a motion? That's what I was going to ask. >> I mean, if it helps, I I'll uh amend. 358 01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:14.400 >> He's offered to do it. So, >> yeah, I'll amend my motion to request payment of the BTRs. Are you including BTRs and livery registrations or just BTRs? >> Um, >> they're two separate fees. Just asking for staff. >> Sure. I'll include both fees that they 359 01:48:14.400 --> 01:48:29.679 should have been paying if they had been registered. >> Right. And Councilman Dustin has a second. Are you okay with that amendment? >> Well, I don't really agree with that, but I'll go along and have it voted on because >> Hit the button if you're talking more. 360 01:48:29.679 --> 01:48:45.840 >> A simple yes. I wasn't going to yell at you. things are things are more complicated. Mayor, um I don't really agree with that because I don't think he's a delivery vessel even though our code now says he is. But uh I'll leave it I'll go along with my second just to put the issue to bed. 361 01:48:45.840 --> 01:49:02.000 >> Thank you. >> All right, Councilman Bagby. >> So, we're talking about the the two boats. When did y'all purchase the boats? cuz I looked at the bill of sales and I looked at, you know, it was a little 362 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:17.760 confusing because there's 22 23 and then there was 2425 and so I'm thinking maybe the first two boats were older and then you purchased the last two boats when the because we've been talking about the moratorum and we've been talking about 363 01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:32.880 livery vessels for at least the last five and a half years on this council >> at least. So, I'm just trying to figure out, you know, you if you just bought them last week and it's like, well, 364 01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:51.280 because all we're determining is is there a hardship, you know, and to me, if you just bought them, you know, in 26 or November of 25, that's not a hardship. You should have known the rules. I mean, we've been talking about this has been in the paper and everything else. Uh, but what when the 365 01:49:51.280 --> 01:50:08.320 two that you're trying to get in here under the hardship clause were purchased when? >> I believe he's had two vessels since 2018. >> I've had two vessels since 2014. >> Right. >> And he replaced one of the vessels in 2025. >> I've been, you know, pontoon boats only 366 01:50:08.320 --> 01:50:22.639 going to hang in there about four or five years anyway, especially with this harsh salt conditions. But yeah, I've been buying and selling boats since that time. >> Okay. Cuz my Captain Charters. >> Yeah. My other issue, which is not before us tonight, was you have the four 367 01:50:22.639 --> 01:50:40.239 spaces, but you have 12 packs boats. And so in in your or the staff's submission said we only use two of those spaces for our our guests. Okay. Then that would be six people per car, which I I kind of 368 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:57.119 strains my credibility here, but I I'll support the motion. Uh but at some point we have to say no, you know, because people it's not our to Mr. Braden's point, it's 369 01:50:57.119 --> 01:51:14.000 not our fault that you didn't know the rules. The rules have been discussed very openly for five year, five plus years. So thank we appreciate your support. Uh Councilman Schmidt. >> Yeah. Just for staff, is can is there 370 01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:29.199 can you give clarification versus what the parking requirement will be for for his operation based upon what he's potentially going to apply for? >> Yeah. >> If it's a 12-pack passenger charter, it would be three spaces 371 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:46.880 because it's one space per four passengers. >> And so in y'all's documents, it doesn't look like you have three spaces at the property. So, how does that work? >> There are two separate locations. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the uh the Pelican Adventures location has on-site 372 01:51:46.880 --> 01:52:03.040 paid parking, which is just across the street from Sexton's on 98. And then behind Sexton's is offsite free parking for Pelican Adventures. And I've supplied photos of those parking lots in in the materials I provided. The other 373 01:52:03.040 --> 01:52:20.000 location, the Heron Harbor location, that one has two spots. Um my understanding is that the lease for some reason limits those spots to three, so six total because there's two. But that the that was apparently an error and I 374 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:36.960 my understanding is the landlord would amend the lease to be consistent with the city of Destin which I believe and they can correct me is four per spot for a total of eight. And I further understand that that landlord may be coming back before the council or the the city to get a third spot which would 375 01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:54.719 be four and rate 12 and 12 at both locations. Those are perspective. I'm not trying to represent that they're here now. But I think at present with the amendment from the landlord, you could do 12 at Pelican Adventures and eight at the Heron Harbor location. And 376 01:52:54.719 --> 01:53:10.719 I would get that amendment and provide it. So, you have two boats at Heron Harbor and two at Pelican Adventures. >> One each. >> One at each. >> And you're saying that you have to provide four spaces even though they said three? >> No, I'm saying you have to provide >> There's a lot of saying there. It's 377 01:53:10.719 --> 01:53:26.080 okay. My understanding >> you have to provide three spaces. Is that what you said? >> It's it's one parking space per four passengers. So, if it's a 12-pack charter, it' be three spaces. >> Three spaces. And you said we have two, but the landlord is going to give you >> two at the Heron Harbor location. ample 378 01:53:26.080 --> 01:53:41.440 parking where the >> Well, we're I'm just asking about Heron Arbor. >> Okay. At the Heron Arbor location there, the lease currently gives them >> two. >> Two and it's limited to three for some reason that we're not sure. We're reviewing the lease came up with. My understanding is that Mr. Bernett has had preliminary discussions. >> So, you have access to three. 379 01:53:41.440 --> 01:53:57.280 >> We will have access to three once the lease is amended and once the landlord acquires the third spot. We will have access to eight once the lease is amended. So if you don't have the required spaces then you can't get the delivery vessel, 380 01:53:57.280 --> 01:54:13.360 right? I mean that it wouldn't pass. I mean that's you you're agree to that, right? >> I agree. If we don't pass staff, >> right? If you don't have the required parking. Okay, >> Councilman Dest and this will be for Kim. So we're going 381 01:54:13.360 --> 01:54:29.520 to if this passes, we're going to give them a delivery license. Is that correct? >> No. You're you're going to give them an exception to the moratorum so that they can apply for a delivery license. Staff will then review. >> The end result is they if it's successful, they will have 382 01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:46.800 >> if they pass staff comce um review, then yes, they will get a license. >> Okay, I'll get to my point. If they have a livery license, can they go from having captain's boats to uncaptain boats? >> Great question. >> And can we stipulate in the granting of 383 01:54:46.800 --> 01:55:02.400 this hardship that they do not do that that they have captain votes only. >> Councilman Destin, my client would make it a condition and a stipulation that his vessels be captained. >> Yeah, I would make that part of the 384 01:55:02.400 --> 01:55:19.440 motion that they stipulate to have captain vessels only. >> Yeah, I'll amend my motion to uh include that stipulation. >> All right. And Councilman Dustin's okay with that. Um and then my last question for Kim. I know we had like so many of 385 01:55:19.440 --> 01:55:36.400 these BTRs that are under this would now these two boats count towards our maximum. >> Uh yeah, you're talking now about livery registrations, not BTRs. And yes, we're actually under call medallions but medallions. We are more than two under our max. So they will not exceed it. 386 01:55:36.400 --> 01:55:52.080 >> That was probably the better question is is this going to exceed our max? It >> will not. >> Thank you. All right. >> Gotcha. All right. I have nothing else on the floor. I got the motion in second with two amendments, Lisa. There you go. Uh, and with that, I'll call the vote. >> Uh, can Lisa, can you just to make sure 387 01:55:52.080 --> 01:56:09.679 you accurately captured those two stipulations, could you reread the motion that is currently on the floor >> or ask us to? Well, the original motion was to approve and then it was to include paying the 388 01:56:09.679 --> 01:56:38.080 past fees and then the third change was to remain uh with captains. >> All right. Bye, Ray. She's got it from here. >> Goodness. >> All right, the the the votes are open. Oh man. 389 01:56:38.080 --> 01:56:54.560 >> All right. Eyes have it. So move 70. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you guys for being here. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, council. And thank you, Attorney Cob. >> Appreciate it. >> All right. Item >> Dr. Jones, >> item 4F is regarding the parking fees at the Terra Cotta parking lot. Um, per 390 01:56:54.560 --> 01:57:09.440 council's direction, this amends the fee resolution to change those uh the fee structure there to $5 per hour as opposed to $20 for the 4hour block through the end of September. And uh if you approve this, we will bring you back 391 01:57:09.440 --> 01:57:26.320 a report in early September of how that's working and whether you want us to continue it or discontinue it at the end of the month. >> I'll move to approve resolution 2610. >> All right, second. I have a second with Councilwoman Abear. Seeing no further discussions, we'll 392 01:57:26.320 --> 01:57:42.080 call the vote. >> There we go. >> Starting to roll now. >> All right. Eyes have it 70. So moved. >> Mayor, if I could just make a quick related say. I've had requests, no >> numerous times to to look toward 393 01:57:42.080 --> 01:57:59.199 changing the parking fee throughout the city. >> Yep. to this scheme $5 so that we will get more people using it and uh I think I want to let the staff look at it but we need to move in that direction and I'll not at the next meeting but a future near meeting I'm 394 01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:14.639 going to make a motion to go forward with that. >> All right. Well, you're stealing my thunder because that's what my sunset parking was going to turn into is like why don't we just do five everywhere and be done with this thing. >> Yeah. >> All right. Either way, I appreciate the comment >> and we can strike mine off the list. All right, Dr. Jones 395 01:58:14.639 --> 01:58:32.000 >> 4G is regarding the naming process for city parks and amenities within the parks. Uh as you're aware, there is a process to name trees and park benches currently. Uh but uh this formalizes the ability for uh the public for the city manager or city council to initiate the 396 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:47.520 process of naming either a park and hole or any amenity within a park other than a tree or bench. >> All right. And with that, uh, Councilman Dustin, >> I was reading through it and we don't have any formal thing in place right now, do we? >> No. >> No, sir. 397 01:58:47.520 --> 01:59:03.840 >> No, I was reading through it. It appears to say that any citizen can come and petition the council to name or rename parks, etc. We don't really do that now, do we? >> I'm just I fear sometimes we may >> there's not a formalized process. I 398 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:19.280 certainly council has the discretion to do that and has done that. Yeah, it makes me a little nervous to to see that on there because we may have people at every meeting requesting that we name or change names. And if it's not brought up by council member who thinks it 399 01:59:19.280 --> 01:59:36.159 warrants, you know, consideration, I see that as leading us toward a very active naming. So, I would uh I would move that we amend the resolution to take that part out. 400 01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:51.520 And so you at least need to go talk to council persons and say, "Hey, take this forward for me." And at least one of the seven of us think it's a good idea. >> That's a great idea. >> Our I mean just to play devil's advocate, our charter says that we can 401 01:59:51.520 --> 02:00:08.320 the citizens can petition an ordinance of ours without legislative sponsor. >> It does and it's a very complicated process if you've read through it for committ. >> Yeah, you really buttoned that up, didn't you? >> That's a That's a little That's a little more >> That's why I've been here a minute. a little more complicated than just showing up to council meeting and saying 402 02:00:08.320 --> 02:00:23.280 >> I agree, but I just wanted to like throw that out there as a devil advocate. I'm not against it, but yeah. Yeah, that's complicated for >> Yeah, I I figured as much. I'm learning on the job. >> All right. Uh so I have Councilman Destin with the motion with that amendment. 403 02:00:23.280 --> 02:00:42.800 >> All right. And then Councilwoman Abear is agreeing to the amendment. Any other discussions, comments, concerns? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. All right, eyes have it. So move 70. >> Mr. Mayor, council is regarding a renewal and pl replacement and 404 02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:58.159 resurfacing and striping of our roadways. There are 18 streets uh that are that is in the queue to move forward in the renewal and replacement plan. Uh they're funded, they're budgeted, and we're would like your approval to move 405 02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:17.840 them forward and um repave some roads. Um just wanted to throw out a comment um on that and a lot of it I don't think is our fault or our uh domain but I would like us where it's applicable uh where 406 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:34.560 the sewer mains working with destined water users if there is a lip or anything like that uh we're doing a good thing and I think one of the unintended consequences is where we're not milling and reservicing back to the same or even if we are uh there's some again I'm I'm 407 02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:49.760 very appreciative that we're down to this being the issue. Uh but I just wanted to raise it on behalf of several citizens who's brought to my attention that go thank you for paving airport road and or but there's we we may have 408 02:01:49.760 --> 02:02:07.119 created some holes that our water uh that our Dustin water user family uh occupy. So, I just wanted to ask if there's any way to work with Dustin Water users and even perhaps uh use monies that we have allocated or not 409 02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:22.880 have to just, you know, really do a good job one and done with these roads uh as we're already halfway through. So, Michael, I don't know if you have anything to add to that. Just wanted to bring that up. >> We will certainly take that in consideration as we move these forwards and have those conversations with the contractor. 410 02:02:22.880 --> 02:02:38.239 >> All right. Thank you, sir. So on I do have Councilwoman Aber with the motion and Counciloman Bagby with the second and I have Councilwoman Traml up. >> I was just going to say that the last ones that uh were in and around my neighborhood, they're just slick as 411 02:02:38.239 --> 02:03:07.440 glass. So they're getting the message. >> Good deal. And thank you, Michael, for keeping them on check. >> All right, with that we'll call the vote. All right. Eyes have it 70. So moved. >> All right. Cross town barrier. 412 02:03:07.440 --> 02:03:22.960 >> Next item is 4 I. U. If you recall at an earlier meeting, we presented you with the uh idea of perhaps uh installing some new fencing along the new cross town connect corridor. uh we were asked to bring back a couple of more uh parts 413 02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:38.719 to that discussion. One was sound barriers and the other was uh some mechanisms to protect the private property. Uh those um items are in your packet. Uh we looked at the sound barrier option which would u provide 414 02:03:38.719 --> 02:03:54.880 some um relief to and mitigation of the noise and then additionally to uh provide some enhancements that would offer some protection to the private property in certain areas. Um either through a metal guardrail system or some 415 02:03:54.880 --> 02:04:12.800 concrete barriers. Uh the cost of those are in your packet. Uh so um we're looking for direction on any combination of those or no combination of them. All right. What's Come on. All right. With that, uh 416 02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:28.880 Council Schmidt. >> Yeah. Just a couple questions. There's a lot of stuff provided which I really appreciate. I think I saw that the pro current proposed plan is the white barrier fence. 417 02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:44.000 Are all these palm trees and pinkish flower looking things are those the current proposed plan like you're going >> they are part of the uh the um design that are that's in the contract currently all all 418 02:04:44.000 --> 02:05:00.639 >> the contract with the white fence or the contract on the road >> there's no contract for the fence so the landscaping is all part of the road contract >> okay including the trees >> the hedges is there any current proposal with those in it or are these just ideas? 419 02:05:00.639 --> 02:05:16.800 >> Those are ideas. Robert, if you'll help me with that. >> No, those are actually I believe they're in there. >> Okay. So, we're >> there's all kind of vegetation currently shown on the landscape plan. >> So, could you help me understand where 420 02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:35.199 these five to seven foot tall box hedges would be on the landscape plan? Would those be along the road or the fence? Yeah, they're on the edges is what I'm being told. >> Edges meaning 421 02:05:35.199 --> 02:05:54.560 >> near the fence. >> So, let's just use >> the example. Currently, y'all, we have a contract proposed to take the white fence all the way down the back of those houses, I think. Right. That is a proposal that for consideration. Yes, 422 02:05:54.560 --> 02:06:12.000 sir. >> Could you show me or help me understand where those box hedges are? So looking at the plans, they would line in front of the proposed fence 423 02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:28.560 >> or if the the or the existing fence in in >> or the existing fence >> because the fence is not currently in the proposed plan. So >> So just for clarity, the proposed plan is a white vinyl fence. 424 02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:43.679 Okay. Sorry. Yeah. See, this is why I need a second. So, so, so the landscaping is part of the contract whether we replace >> cross town connector contract. >> That's correct. Whether we put a new fence up or not, those >> All right. So, let's pause right there then. So, then the current plan has 425 02:06:43.679 --> 02:07:01.280 hedges going all the way down the length of that boundary right now. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So then if we added a white fence, we would have box hedges all the way down. Behind those box hedges would be a white fence. Yes. 426 02:07:01.280 --> 02:07:17.599 >> From one end to the other. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. That's that's good right now. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Uh Captain, why do I keep going that way? 427 02:07:17.599 --> 02:07:33.040 >> Council Councilman Morgan. Oh my god. >> 10 years. But um but anyways, so uh I've got um I'm I want to hear more discussion before I make a motion, but my concern is from U Benning Drive. No, 428 02:07:33.040 --> 02:07:49.280 I'm sorry, Beach Drive to where Miss Wilson's house, that's where it comes as close as 30 ft. It's 10 yards. That is really close to to their property line. Um and and in some instances on the 429 02:07:49.280 --> 02:08:04.159 corner and the culde-sac there, you're 10 ft from from their property line. So I I would look at potentially guard rails or concrete barriers to protect um from Beach Drive to I think it was 614 430 02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:19.199 Legion. And then additionally, I I would like to see all native trees. >> Here we go. Um, I would like to get rid of the crepe myrtles. The uh the shrubbery and and the hedges are one thing, but I would like to see live oaks 431 02:08:19.199 --> 02:08:35.599 and magnolia, longleaf pines. Um, get rid of the palm trees. Uh and then uh look at doing a sound barrier really from Beach to that section of Legion 432 02:08:35.599 --> 02:08:52.320 Drive on the north side of the connector where it comes closest. Those are my thoughts. I I am sympathetic. I mean, my backyard is where I go for privacy and I think we have an obligation to protect the privacy and the peace, quiet, peaceful enjoyment of people's 433 02:08:52.320 --> 02:09:08.000 backyards. So, whatever the city can do to mitigate that without breaking the bank, um, I'd support that. I'm I'm interested to hear what my fellow council members have to say. >> All right. Well, I appreciate that and echo all that. Uh my only ad to that is 434 02:09:08.000 --> 02:09:23.360 for those barriers um since they are so close and we do have a north sidewalk uh if I don't know the design or I don't know what state statue says or anything like that but if permittable put them in between the road and sidewalk so we can 435 02:09:23.360 --> 02:09:38.800 protect the neighbors and the pedestrians. Uh because if we're going to invest we might as well be able to block both and really contain the vehicles to the space they have to be on. >> Yeah. And that said, I mean, you're trading u it's sort of a lose-lose for 436 02:09:38.800 --> 02:09:54.320 these people on Legion because they're getting rid of 90% of the through traffic on Legion Drive. Um so their front yards will be better off >> for sure. All right. And with that, um let me get to my board. Uh Councilman Bagley. 437 02:09:54.320 --> 02:10:12.079 >> Yeah. So as long as we're I agree from probably 624 to 612 Legion, put it in a guardrail. uh 5 ft off the fence line or whatever. I would prefer to see and I agree with the only native vegetation, no palm 438 02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:27.440 trees. I would prefer to see along that entire northern boundary uh podarpus hedge similar to what's you see down in Alice Beach. Uh you can grow it as tall as you want to, you can grow it as wide 439 02:10:27.440 --> 02:10:42.639 as you want to. I know the guy that put it in in Alice Beach and it's the same guy that does the landscaping at Rosemary. Uh it provides a sound buffer. It provides a physical buffer. You're not driving through that thing. But if 440 02:10:42.639 --> 02:10:59.360 for some reason you did launch a rocket through there, you would at least between 624 and 612 hit a uh a guardrail. And so I think in in my world that would be the perfect solution. So 441 02:10:59.360 --> 02:11:15.440 redo the landscaping plan, add a little segment of guardrail up there where it gets close to the properties and then do the podarpus hedge as opposed to with you know trees interspersed in there. >> Yeah. >> Amazing. 442 02:11:15.440 --> 02:11:31.119 >> I'm sorry. What? >> Privet doesn't grow very well here. I agree with you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right, Councilman Dustin. >> Well, it sounds like we're all singing from the same hymn, probably. I'd like to see some guard rails, perhaps the 443 02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:47.679 concrete barriers on those properties right there where the corner is most likely to launch um cars through there. And as far as the natural more f more natural vegetation, I agree. >> And I know Jim loves palm trees, but I I'm afraid >> y'all are really breaking my heart 444 02:11:47.679 --> 02:12:04.960 tonight. Yeah, >> my the only question I have is by eliminating some palm trees and some of that other stuff, do we have a savings which may offset because I noticed the price for these fences and barriers was $200,000. What was it the estimate? 445 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:22.320 >> The fence itself was about 200,000. The concrete barrier was significant and the guard >> 30 or 40 whatever it was I saw. >> Yeah. And the guard rails. Is there a way to look at the landscaping to try to mitigate some of that? If there is, we should do it because this is a change 446 02:12:22.320 --> 02:12:37.920 order, right? >> That would be correct. Yes, sir. >> So, it's going to cost us more money, but if we can save money over here, it would sure help. And uh so I will support those. I don't know. Do we need a motion to direct staff or you guys understand what we're trying to say? 447 02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:52.560 >> I think we have some >> Well, so everybody said something a little different. So I I would need some clarification on which way to go. >> Do we I can try to cobble it together if you want me to. >> Uh yeah. So 448 02:12:52.560 --> 02:13:08.480 >> agree with all that. Yeah. >> But go ahead, >> Chadam read. I guarantee you're on the same sheet of music. >> Yeah. So, uh, I would move to have, uh, city staff, um, get a change order, a revised, uh, 449 02:13:08.480 --> 02:13:23.440 quote or plan to install a sound barrier between 624 Legion Court and 612 Legion Drive, a uh, guard rail, and an option for a concrete 450 02:13:23.440 --> 02:13:39.520 barrier for the same uh, addresses. And then um eliminate all non-native tree species. Add a carpass hedge along the fence line. 451 02:13:39.520 --> 02:13:57.280 And I think that's it. If I'm missing >> second, yes, that's exactly it >> with the carpass head. Is that just for that same area as the guardrail or would that be across the whole fence? I' I'd get it quoted out with and without it because it does seem like the 452 02:13:57.280 --> 02:14:13.280 plans have the entire fence landscape. So, it might as well >> for staff's purpose. I just wanted to make sure we're as clear as possible with them. I appreciate that. Councilman Bagman, anything further? >> Yeah, because uh the PO carpass hedge replaces the sound barrier and the wall 453 02:14:13.280 --> 02:14:32.159 and the the fence. the the guardrail uh provides the safety, but the pod carpus edge it's redundant to to put in a wall or a fence or whatever because I assume most of y'all have been down there. That thing is, you know, five, 454 02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:48.000 six feet thick. >> I'll give you a local one, an airport. >> Yeah. >> The Canon way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And so I I would just ask that we on a in a cost savings and maybe if you want to bring it back with the wall as an option looking at the cost but I 455 02:14:48.000 --> 02:15:03.280 would say just the podacarpus hedge. >> Yeah. And I would also, you know, landscapers will tell us, but you know how they break it? They break it up in Alice for the streets, but you can break it up and put leave a 30foot opening for 456 02:15:03.280 --> 02:15:20.480 a live oak, which they will canopy at 30 feet usually, and then put that there so that you kind of have that inspert. I'm not a great landscaper, but I've worked with some. >> Is that helpful? The engineers are going to write it all down. >> All right. Thank you for that clarity. 457 02:15:20.480 --> 02:15:34.480 That helps a lot. >> All right, good deal. I got nothing else on the board. Yes, sir. >> Just one one question. The the wall itself had some sound barrier characteristics was my understanding as I read through it. So, 458 02:15:34.480 --> 02:15:50.880 it may serve that function till the the vegetation does it. I don't know. Can we >> Yeah, the vegetation provides if you go on the other side. I mean, that's why they put it in there because when you're putting $5 million houses right next to 38, which they were doing 459 02:15:50.880 --> 02:16:06.800 >> and and it does, but but will it the wall was 10 ft supposedly the one that was quoted in here and that would cut a lot of the noise out and we may not be able to do both, but I would certainly look at what it would cost us to do both. 460 02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:29.520 >> Yeah, we'll we'll we'll bring you some options back based on that. >> Thank you. >> All right, sounds good. All right. With that, we will call the vote. >> All right. Eyes have it. 61. So moved. >> Who said no? >> Who said no? >> Oh, >> who said? 461 02:16:29.520 --> 02:16:44.319 >> Uh oh. >> Who said no? We didn't get to see that. >> I didn't get to see it any 61. >> Who was the no? >> I voted no. >> Okay. You're not allowed to ask that, right? 462 02:16:44.319 --> 02:17:00.639 >> No, I didn't know that. What? >> I mean, we just been talking about this for 20 years and we spent millions and millions and millions of dollars on this project >> for the last 20 years. >> And my question is, how are we going to keep all this stuff alive? 463 02:17:00.639 --> 02:17:16.000 >> Destin water user >> irrigation. We can't keep the grass alive on 98 on the median. So, how we going to keep all this stuff alive? >> We don't get sprinkled and all that. Is that another change order? >> No, it it's currently irrigated in the plans. 464 02:17:16.000 --> 02:17:30.160 >> So, all this stuff's going to be irrigated >> with reusable water. >> Is it with Dustin Water users? >> It's with the reused water. >> That's 33 cents for 1,000 gallons. >> All right, moving on. 465 02:17:30.160 --> 02:17:49.439 >> The pump has to still turn on. >> Item four. >> All right, let's keep rolling. Item 4J is regarding the tow truck fees. Uh we were instructed to bring back a resolution that would reflect the fees that uh the county adopted. So what's 466 02:17:49.439 --> 02:18:05.679 before you tonight for your consideration is the resolution that would uh for the city of Destin to adopt identical fees as the county adopted for tow truck services. >> All right, Councilman Schmidt. >> Yeah. Uh a few thoughts here. I wasn't 467 02:18:05.679 --> 02:18:22.880 here at the meeting when y'all originally went through this the first time. I was there a few years ago when we were asked specifically to raise that one fee or three times, but one fee, the the toe fee. Uh it seems to me, 468 02:18:22.880 --> 02:18:38.559 unless I'm wrong because I didn't get the email, you can get with this guy over here. He'll check the email records. The guy's gone still. It seems like there's some confusion maybe that we're not looking at all the fees that we need to look at. 469 02:18:38.559 --> 02:18:53.439 Is that because the request never got presented to us the correct way or did we just not we misinterpret it? And if that's the case, I would love to wait allow them to work with our staff to understand the full picture of all of 470 02:18:53.439 --> 02:19:09.359 the fees that they are considering. >> All we have is fees. Correct. No, >> it sounds like there's more. >> It sounds like there's more on that schedule that we either didn't consider, think about, or understand. I don't know. 471 02:19:09.359 --> 02:19:27.120 >> That's how I'm taking their comments. And if that's the case, before we just ram another resolution fee schedule, I'd rather look at the full picture and work with them with staff to do that. So my current proposal is we table this 472 02:19:27.120 --> 02:19:42.800 until they can work with staff and I'll be legislative sponsor to understand the full picture. >> Say that again. >> I said I already am. I'm the one that made the motion. >> You already are what? >> And I made the motion for all the fees, 473 02:19:42.800 --> 02:19:59.760 not just the towing number. All the fees. >> Well, that's not what the resolution says. That's that's what I they called me to clarify it when to say was it just towing or was it all of them and I said it's just all of them. I have spoken to another towing company and they're very 474 02:19:59.760 --> 02:20:21.120 happy with the county numbers. So that's why I said all of them. >> The only change the only change in this resolution is is the one trophy. >> No. Well, again, it sounds like there's a little confusion in mind and it sounds 475 02:20:21.120 --> 02:20:36.880 like these gentlemen have been here multiple times and they're that they're wanting to work with us to do it the right way. >> These are all changes. M >> Miss Cop, can you clarify where we're at right now with that fee? >> Right now, the proposed resolution 476 02:20:36.880 --> 02:20:52.640 uh matches up with the county on all fees. >> It It does not just change the towing. It's storage. It's everything. So you changed it all. >> Yeah, we changed it all. >> And those fees were recently adopted by the county. >> So I would ask you, Mr. Mayor, could we 477 02:20:52.640 --> 02:21:09.040 understand from them what the exact complication or the what what's the is it the amounts? Can we can we get more details from them real quick? >> Yeah, if Yeah, please. >> And and I might could offer a little bit of clarity because they were asking the city to increase two or three of the 478 02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:25.840 fees more than what the county had adopted. And so that that was the action that the council took was to match the county fees as opposed to the county fees except those two or three instances or four or five. I mean it was where they were asking for more from the city 479 02:21:25.840 --> 02:21:40.880 of Destin than they were from the county. >> So it looks like we're increasing a lot of fees now, but you're possibly saying we should do it more than the county, but go ahead. >> Correct. So in the initial email that we've sent you um actually u I'm not 480 02:21:40.880 --> 02:22:01.760 sure if it was presented to you but basically we did u a schedule with fees that was the yeah >> uh so yeah uh those were uh one of the sections was showing the current fees in Destin. uh the middle one I believe was showing the ones that are current by 481 02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:17.200 Okaloosa County and then the third one is the one that we were uh proposing to be in destined. Uh it's really small amount u the difference that we are requesting between the county and destin uh for the class A the base fee we're 482 02:22:17.200 --> 02:22:33.680 just asking to be a $30 difference between Destin and uh the county uh there is a difference in the uh B-class which is for medium duty trucks and for the C-class which is for the heavy duty trucks as well. Uh pretty much that's the the only difference uh there is not 483 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:49.200 huge difference that we are asking to be uh moneywise uh between the county and uh the one that we should we believe should be applied for testing just because of the higher cost that we have to deal with. >> All right. Thank you sir. All right. You 484 02:22:49.200 --> 02:23:04.960 good there council Bagley? >> Yeah I was just going to answer Kevin's question. We we looked at all the fees. We we changed we discussed and we landed on the county fees to match the county fees to raise the fees that we currently 485 02:23:04.960 --> 02:23:19.840 allowed to be charged. You know, a couple of things that were brought up in the open mic uh or the public input portion earlier. Uh you know, our millage is is the lowest in the county. 486 02:23:19.840 --> 02:23:37.120 Okay. By far. Uh, and the fuel price. I I get the fuel price cuz I just put almost put $100 in my pickup truck. So, I can imagine. And my wife put $90 in her car. So, I can imagine what you guys are paying. But, 487 02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:53.600 you know, when it goes back down, eventually it'll go back down. When it goes back down, you won't be back here asking us to lower the fees. You'll just absorb whatever that cost is. And so I I I try not to do the little market 488 02:23:53.600 --> 02:24:13.240 fluctuation thing. I I'm happy. So I I'll go ahead and make the motion as it was uh presented to us and say wh I had it and then I didn't have it. There we go. 489 02:24:14.640 --> 02:24:31.280 Mayor, I move to adopt resolution 26-12 as presented. All >> right. And with a motion, we have Councilman TR Councilwoman Traml with the second. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, my confusion and I apologize is this resolution tonight was 490 02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:47.520 completely different than the real resolution at the last meeting and I didn't catch that during our agenda briefing. So, thank you for pointing that out. And I will also say while it might not be exactly what you're proposing, I think we do have pretty pretty drastic increases from what we 491 02:24:47.520 --> 02:25:02.560 were doing. And I think that that's a pretty fair thing to do. Uh might not be exactly what you're proposing, but it seems like in some cases we're increasing 70 80%. U so but thanks Clarity. >> All right. Thank you for that. Seeing 492 02:25:02.560 --> 02:25:23.920 nothing else on the board, we will call the vote. All right, eyes have it 70. So moved. Thank you guys for being here. >> All right. Capital projects. >> Capital projects. Item K. Then the operations financial report, TDC monthly 493 02:25:23.920 --> 02:25:41.520 report and minutes for information in case you have any questions or comments on any of those. Mr. B. I have one comment. I had a short-term rental uh person that approached me and said that they their 494 02:25:41.520 --> 02:25:57.840 document was not correct that it wasn't in Destin or whatever. So I would just ask that we make sure that the ones that are being captured in Destin or in the old thing are actually in the old thing. That's probably I 495 02:25:57.840 --> 02:26:14.000 don't know if that's a Kevin ask of the TDC or if that's a staff ask of the clerk of the court, but if we could just check and see. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Then just a couple of 496 02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:31.200 announcements. Um today was the date that our undergrounding contractor was supposed to be substantially complete on that project. Uh they're not. And it's there's they will probably be contacting each of you with a request that they're 497 02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:47.920 going to come for you at the next council meeting asking for a 115day extension. um based on the fact that FPNL entered into an agreement with our contractor to do some additional work that they didn't design apparently 498 02:26:47.920 --> 02:27:05.359 didn't design properly from the beginning and somewhere October of last year they realized that we got a problem and began the process of trying to straighten out that problem. um brought it to our attention Wednesday of last week and actually sent 499 02:27:05.359 --> 02:27:20.399 us a letter late Thursday of last week. So, we didn't have time to get on this agenda, but um had a some extensive conversation with uh FPNL and um um Mark Porter today of how some of the things 500 02:27:20.399 --> 02:27:35.840 may unravel, but you may hear from Bernard, someone from FPNL in the next few days to have some conversation with you about what that may look like. Um there's uh $1,500 a day liquidated damages in their contract. So just something to consider as we move 501 02:27:35.840 --> 02:27:55.120 forward. Um we we held uh last Thursday evening we held a contractor town hall meeting. Our staff did a good job presenting the process and procedures for pulling permits, how to go through the the systems, um you know the online 502 02:27:55.120 --> 02:28:11.920 portals to get those things done. Uh we we sent out about 500 invitations and we had fewer than 500 attend that meeting. Uh but I can tell you the ones that there had good things to say about our staff and they actually said they they preferred working with the city of 503 02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:27.760 Destin in their permitting process than than most any other jurisdiction they had. And I'll ask Tina if she has anything to add to that. But um >> um nothing further other than we're take we always take feedback from all contractors, all customers in the city 504 02:28:27.760 --> 02:28:47.120 and we are always working to make our processes better and easier. >> And then then my last announcement uh is at 446 Calhoun. We're moving forward with the permitting and do on that. So, we'll hopefully have some hours for you 505 02:28:47.120 --> 02:29:04.960 in the near future to begin that process. >> Good evening. I only have one announcement for this evening. Monday, May 25th is Memorial Day and the American Legion always does a really lovely celebration out at the Destin Cemetery on Stallman. So, that will be 506 02:29:04.960 --> 02:29:22.640 at 11:00 a.m. and everyone is welcome to attend that. Thank you. >> All right. Appreciate you guys for those announcements. Getting the public hearing. Smith Cop. >> Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance number 2606LC, an ordinance of the city of Dest, 507 02:29:22.640 --> 02:29:39.120 Florida, renumbering the existing article 11 of the land development code as article 7. Changing the name of existing article 11, coastal management and conservation to article 7, resource conservation, protection, resiliency, and sustainability. adding the following 508 02:29:39.120 --> 02:29:54.160 existing sections of the land development code to article 7 resource conservation, protection, resiliency, and sustainability. Section 7050, protection and preservation of archaeological and historic resources. Section 71704, 509 02:29:54.160 --> 02:30:10.720 Outdoor Lighting Standards for the Marine Turtle Conserv Conservation Zone. and section 720 small-cale alternative energy generation regulations providing for authority providing for findings of fact providing for incorporation into the land development code providing for conflicting provisions providing for 510 02:30:10.720 --> 02:30:26.640 severability and providing for an effective date um this is the same ordinance you saw at the last meeting you all tabled it um on council member Destin's uh motion to this meeting which is why it has returned however since it 511 02:30:26.640 --> 02:30:42.800 was tabled you would Someone would have to make a motion uh to bring it back under Robert's rules. >> All right, Councilwoman Traml. >> Um well, I don't know if we're going to bring it back or not, but I just um >> I didn't read through the whole thing, but I didn't uh ask 512 02:30:42.800 --> 02:30:58.720 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I guess I need to ask the question about the birds and the sound. Do we have that in here? We got marine turtles and we got lighting. Do we have sound and birds? >> We We need to bring it off the table if we want to talk about it. >> I know. That's why I was I'll bring it I'll make a motion to bring it off the 513 02:30:58.720 --> 02:31:14.720 table so we can talk about it. >> All right. I have a motion. I have a second by Councilman Bagby. All right. Birds, >> she's got a question. >> Well, no. >> Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. The vote on it. Yeah. >> But what a motion. A second doesn't get it. You It don't get you nothing these 514 02:31:14.720 --> 02:31:38.880 days. >> All right. I'll call the vote. He's deliberating. >> He's all right. Eyes have it. So move. >> All right. Now that we're back, hold your thought. This is a public hearing. As such, if anyone from the public 515 02:31:38.880 --> 02:31:53.600 wishes to speak on this topic, this would be your time to do so. >> All right. Seeing none, we'll close the public comments. Miss Traml, >> I know. Yeah. Now we got the question. I mean, I don't know if they need it. >> Okay. Did we include birds and sound and 516 02:31:53.600 --> 02:32:10.560 noise and the thing that we just made a resolution about earlier tonight? >> So sound would be covered in the code of ordinances. But yes, this article does um cover significant environments and wildlife protection in 70106. 517 02:32:10.560 --> 02:32:27.040 And then under B specifically, it calls for a habitat management plan. um shall any of species that are endangered, threatened, or of special concern, the applicant would have to submit to us a um management plan, they would have to submit to the FWC as well. And then that would have to 518 02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:42.720 include a field survey and recommendations, and then city council may utilize this information um to include conditions of approval. >> Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure we included our birds. >> All right. Thank you for that. All right. Now with that, do I hear a motion 519 02:32:42.720 --> 02:32:59.680 for this ordinance? >> I'll make a motion that we approve the ordinance with the exclusion of the uh section on any PE and then we refer that back to the 520 02:32:59.680 --> 02:33:16.880 >> Oh, shoot. Yeah, I thought you were on. >> I love that thing. I know you do. >> I'll move that we approve the ordinance, but that we take out the section addressing NPEB and we send that back to our committees and staff to make a further recommendation 521 02:33:16.880 --> 02:33:32.720 that I think would be more acceptable and and fix some of the problems I see with this um per slip fee cost. >> Okay, I have a motion on on the floor. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. All right. Second by 522 02:33:32.720 --> 02:33:52.560 Councilman Morgan. Um, any further discussions? Council Schmidt. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> All right. Councilman Schmidt. >> Anybody else was trying to jump in there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is there a problem with the staff 523 02:33:52.560 --> 02:34:09.840 proposal number three since you want to bring it back to staff and committees and these are kind of a combined thought >> that are they're impacting >> the harbor on a large scale which are the commercial slips and they're going to do it based upon the activity and the 524 02:34:09.840 --> 02:34:27.359 amount of slips. I mean it seems like a thought a very wellthought >> um it is it is but my problem with it is generally we institute policies based on input from somebody other than the staff. I always welcome their input but 525 02:34:27.359 --> 02:34:42.640 the folks who are going to be affected by this have not really spoken up. Um the other thing I would point out is that this is instituting a fee with no resolution. Usually when we do fees, whether it be recreational or any 526 02:34:42.640 --> 02:34:58.800 other type, after we say, "Yeah, we're going to do this," then we do a resolution where people get to have an opportunity to comment on it, when we do it this way, it's not happening like that. And you know, and in my opinion, it runs a foul of the single subject 527 02:34:58.800 --> 02:35:16.240 rules that the state of Florida says we should adhere to when we make changes like this. It should be separate and be a standalone change. So that's why I I say that we need to refer it back and then bring an ordinance forward that addresses the NEPB 528 02:35:16.240 --> 02:35:31.359 and have people come and tell us what they think because as you can see, you know, some of these fees could go up to 2500 to $10,000 a year on slips that are actually theoretically owned by the 529 02:35:31.359 --> 02:35:46.399 state of Florida that that we lease from the state of Florida and already pay rather substantial amounts on. So, I'd just like to see a little more consideration and some input from the public, the folks who are actually going to pay these fees. >> All right. Anything further, Councilman 530 02:35:46.399 --> 02:36:03.280 Schmidt? All right. Uh, Councilman Morgan, >> thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm just I'd be hardressed to implement or levy a new tax on Destin, hundreds of Destin residents and businesses. my second 531 02:36:03.280 --> 02:36:19.040 meeting here, especially one that I've seen no public input on. And they might have had it at the LPA, but I doubt it. I've been to those board meetings and they're not very robust with the public sort of like we are at 8:45 at night, but I think it'll be one of those 532 02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:36.399 things. We'll pass and we're going to have a lot of angry people coming towards us. Um, that's my take. can. >> And just to clarify again, this is we're just updating a 1987 ordinance just changing the fee base from 25% of construction, which is very prohibitive, 533 02:36:36.399 --> 02:36:52.720 to uh something that would be uh more affordable. >> Yeah, I'd be inclined to remove the 25% fee as well. >> Council and Bagby. >> Yeah, I mean it's it's been to the harbor board twice. It's been to the LPA 534 02:36:52.720 --> 02:37:11.200 three times. uh and in one of the most probably the most unusual vote I've ever seen up here at the last meeting where we voted down the staff uh recommendation 535 02:37:11.200 --> 02:37:28.080 and the LPA's recommendation and then we turned around and voted down the you know the alternative. I guess I the the the problem I have uh you know I at some 536 02:37:28.080 --> 02:37:45.920 point we've been working on this for over two years >> for over two years and uh like I said it's been actually it's been to the LPA more than three times and it's been to the harbor board at least twice. The what I would say is we 537 02:37:45.920 --> 02:38:01.359 we need to do something because we we the 25% I agree with you. The 25% is is ownorous and it just causes people to misrepresent how much they're spending 538 02:38:01.359 --> 02:38:17.439 uh to replace their docks and their slips. and the LPA uh and I think he told us Mike e uh even supported you know their number one 539 02:38:17.439 --> 02:38:35.600 alternative or their number one option uh was we it failed last time three to four and then we like I said turned around and killed the alternative to that but it doesn't abate any fees we still have the 25% and I think if we actually 540 02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:53.040 went down there and enforce that 25%, we would have a lot of people in here screaming for us to to adopt number one. Because if we actually went down there and started looking at bills of lading and looking at actually what people are actually spending, uh they they would 541 02:38:53.040 --> 02:39:07.040 acknowledge that option proposal number one, whatever it's called, LPA proposal number one, is by far and away the best idea. It's the fairest. It's the simplest. So, I'm going to do a substitute motion. I'm going to agree 542 02:39:07.040 --> 02:39:24.680 that we pass the um ordinance, I'm sorry, resolution, whatever we're doing. Uh but integrate LPA proposal number one as >> part of that. 543 02:39:29.840 --> 02:39:46.880 >> Hey, look at there. Oh man, I missed my mic. All right. I have a substitute motion on the floor from Councilman Bagley, seconded by Councilwoman Traml. Uh, Councilman Schmidt, did you >> Yeah, I just for Mr. Dustin, 544 02:39:46.880 --> 02:40:08.960 um, I may be Mr. Morgan, but this is this is 19867. The funding issue is is real, I guess, in the maintenance and and the the the harbor quality, the quality of 545 02:40:08.960 --> 02:40:25.760 the water, the the the the the pump, all that. Like Mr. Bagby said, it's been discussed at a at least five different total meetings. What do what do you do then to help 546 02:40:25.760 --> 02:40:41.520 support the quality of the harbor and the waterways if we don't do you know because I just if somebody comes to apply they will be paying 25%. Right? I mean we're enforcing that now right? So what what 547 02:40:41.520 --> 02:40:59.280 what do we do to help? H >> how much money roughly do we need to support the harbor pump annually? Uh the electricity alone for the harbor pump is about $30,000 a year. Um $60,000 a year would also cover all the water 548 02:40:59.280 --> 02:41:15.920 quality testing that we do with Chakahhatchee Basin Alliance and the water analytics. >> So 90 is roughly where we're >> 60 would be the sweet spot and that would also save up a little bit to maintain the harbor pump as it has. Yeah, I would argue those waterfront properties on the harbor that we're 549 02:41:15.920 --> 02:41:34.240 looking at taxing, we're already taxing with the 25% fee that we really can't div force and nobody's being honest on it. But I would I would argue that their adorum tax dollars should fund the $90,000. I mean, we can 60,000 I'm sure 550 02:41:34.240 --> 02:41:49.359 we can find $60,000 from our property taxes. And my response to that question is our main problem here is we've not been enforcing the rule we had >> and to pass another rule because you 551 02:41:49.359 --> 02:42:05.760 didn't enforce the first rule is never really good standard for government action. >> This is here this is here before us tonight >> because some guy finally got hit with his fee and paid $90,000 and has been griping ever since then. That's why it's 552 02:42:05.760 --> 02:42:20.960 here tonight. If we would enforce the rules we have in effect, we would raise that money easily. So, you know, we didn't do our job. We didn't enforce our rules. So, let's pass another rule. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh, I have the substitute on 553 02:42:20.960 --> 02:42:43.120 the floor. And without any further comments, we will call the vote. >> Three. Three. Wait, what? >> Yeah. Oh, four. Okay. All right. So, everyone stood their ground from the previous. All right. So, we're back to the 554 02:42:43.120 --> 02:42:58.880 previous motion with Councilman Dustin and Abear. Who second it? >> Or Morgan. Oh, sorry. >> Morgan. >> Yep. >> All right. So, we're back to the previous. Any further discussions? Seeing none. 555 02:42:58.880 --> 02:43:14.560 >> Yeah. I'd like the staff to brief us at the next meeting on steps you're taking to actually enforce the rule on the book because I agree with what was just said. It would more than pay for itself 556 02:43:14.560 --> 02:43:30.000 because there would be several $90,000 checks and if if that's what our rules are, by God, let's enforce them. >> Yeah. My my last on that would also be with um Mr. Morgan here is saying the 25 557 02:43:30.000 --> 02:43:47.120 is insane. I think we need to be encouraging people to um renovate their docks, not hold out and hold out every board until it completely breaks. So I I I definitely see there there needs to be a different formula. And so I agree with 558 02:43:47.120 --> 02:44:02.319 that. So, >> so just to be clear because the city manager was asking me a question and to make sure that you all knew what you were about to vote on, but this motion would take the MPEB out of the ordinance. So, there would not be a 25% 559 02:44:02.319 --> 02:44:22.279 in the meantime. It would be gone. >> If I may, >> I would modify the motion to leave it in place as it is and ask the staff to come back and give us report as Mr. Bagley said. >> Thank you for clarifying. Okay, Council Braden. 560 02:44:22.319 --> 02:44:38.960 >> Thank you, Mayor. I wasn't here. So, can somebody refresh my memory as why the council opted not to charge Point Mezzanine any type of fees on their docks, the marina they put in? >> I I think you were here. >> Yeah, that was approved before. 561 02:44:38.960 --> 02:44:54.960 >> I wasn't here. I didn't approve that project. The marina, I wasn't here. >> Kim, I think you do have background. I remember you briefing me on this is question about point >> I'm going to go from memory but I know that in 2018 and council member Morgan 562 02:44:54.960 --> 02:45:11.680 and and council member Braden were here um when they came to the council and it was Matt Traml representing Point Mezzanine they uh came forward with an offer to pay their MPEB plus a little 563 02:45:11.680 --> 02:45:27.840 bit of extra it was somewhere in the range of over $600,000 to the city and the city council had declined it at that time because they did not want to even approve the docks anyway. Um and so that money was instead paid to the trust for 564 02:45:27.840 --> 02:45:43.120 public land and was to be used for city parks. >> So they >> so they paid but we did not put it towards the harbor because council rejected it not wanting the docks and it was put towards parks. >> Did you get it in the park? I thought it 565 02:45:43.120 --> 02:45:59.800 was Captain Leonard. >> Yeah. >> 600,000 would have paid quite a few years when it and that's that's the problem with what we're how we're administering this rule. >> All right. 566 02:46:02.319 --> 02:46:18.560 So, I think Councilman Dustin was making a clarification to what we just voted on >> to keep >> to to keep the 25% and he just wanted to clarify that that was the intent. So, I think you can cancel his motion. It was >> it it was to describe what we just voted 567 02:46:18.560 --> 02:46:34.240 on. >> Is that correct? >> I think his motion was to pass everything but >> that section section 7.03. >> But if Mr. go along. We could leave that in place if the staff would bring back to us. Is 568 02:46:34.240 --> 02:46:53.200 that right? >> The motion originally was to pass it and leave it out and have the staff come back to us. If you feel more comfortable with leave it in and have the staff come back to us, at least we've still got something in place. >> No, I'm I'm fine with with your 569 02:46:53.200 --> 02:47:08.720 amendment to your motion. Um, but just to clarify, are we passing every section except for 7.03? >> I was going to substitute in that we're leaving the NEPB in and 570 02:47:08.720 --> 02:47:24.720 asking the staff. In other words, we're passing all of it, but we're telling staff to bring us back a report on how we plan to enforce the actual section itself. >> All right. All right. Good deal. All right. So, we can strike all the just 571 02:47:24.720 --> 02:47:40.479 still there. >> Yes. >> Just just to be clear that the the 25% will remain in place and you're asking us to come back with a plan to implement that 25% effectively. Okay. And I think we've taken some steps um to do some of 572 02:47:40.479 --> 02:47:58.399 those things. So, we'll apply that as well. >> Okay. >> All right. Good deal. All right. Miss Cop. >> We got a vote, man. Oh, we got a vote for >> I get Mayor. >> Okay. I thought I thought we were all right. Fair enough. All right. We'll 573 02:47:58.399 --> 02:48:20.399 call the vote. That was my fault, Lisa. All right. I have it. So, move 61, Miss Cobb. >> Okay. So for 5B, 5C, and 5D, we're going to, if everybody's okay with it, do these together because they are all 574 02:48:20.399 --> 02:48:36.080 amending the same definition of beach. Um, and I'll explain which is which. And we're going to read all three titles, but one of them is for the code of ordinances. One of them is for the LDC, and one of them is for the comp plan. And what we're trying to do is um the 575 02:48:36.080 --> 02:48:51.680 definition currently provides that the beach goes to the low mean water line. Our charter provides that the city's jurisdiction ends at the mean high water line in the Gulf of Mexico. And so we would just match up these uh definitions of beach with the charter. So it will 576 02:48:51.680 --> 02:49:10.000 now say mean high instead of mean low. >> G of America. >> Gulf of America. Sorry sir, you are correct. Okay. So I will go ahead and read the three titles. So first we have ordinance number 2616LC. 577 02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:25.600 This is the one for the land development code. An ordinance of the city of Dest Florida amending article 3 definitions and article 11 coastal management and conservation of the land development code to amend the definition of beach for consistency with the jurisdictional limit set forth within the city charter. 578 02:49:25.600 --> 02:49:40.399 providing for authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for incorporation into the land development code, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. This is first reading. Next is ordinance number 2617 579 02:49:40.399 --> 02:49:56.640 um LC, but it should say CC. So, that looks like a typo. Um, it should be 2617cc, an ordinance of the city of Dest, Florida, amending section 14203 of the court of code of ordinances to amend the 580 02:49:56.640 --> 02:50:12.000 definition of beach for consistency with the jurisdictional limits set forth within the city charter, providing for authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for incorporation into the land development code, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. That's first reading. 581 02:50:12.000 --> 02:50:28.800 And finally, ordinance number 2618PC. This is the comprehensive plan amendment, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, amending chapter 13, glossery of the city's comprehensive plan to amend the definition of beach for consistency with the jurisdictional limits set forth within the city charter. Providing for authority, 582 02:50:28.800 --> 02:50:43.920 providing for findings of fact, providing for incorporation into the comprehensive plan, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. This is also first reading, and please have a public hearing on all three. >> Thank you. So, at this time, if anyone 583 02:50:43.920 --> 02:51:01.279 wishes to speak on ordinance 2616cc, this is your time to do so. Or do we want me to do one at a time and close them? >> The public hearing should be for 2616 LC, 2617cc, and 2618 PC amending the definition of 584 02:51:01.279 --> 02:51:21.200 beach in the LDC code and comp plan. >> All right. Thank you for that. If anyone is here wishing to speak on any of those topics, this is your time to do so. Seeing none, we'll close the public comments for each of those ordinances and I'll entertain a motion at this time from councel. >> All right, Councilwoman Traml. 585 02:51:21.200 --> 02:51:36.880 >> Mayor, I'll make the a motion that we approve uh ordinance 26-16LC, 26-17cc, and 26-18 PC on first reading and bring it back for second reading. >> All right. Thank you for that. 586 02:51:36.880 --> 02:51:56.960 >> Second. Seconded by Councilwoman Abear. Any further discussions? Seeing none, we'll open the vote. All right. Eyes have it. So moved. 70. Miss Kyle. Thank you, mayor. And um just to let you 587 02:51:56.960 --> 02:52:16.560 know, we'll take those three back not at the next meeting because with the comprehensive plan amendment, we have to wait 30 days, but then we'll bring them all back together. Um, final ordinance of tonight is ordinance 2513 PC, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, 588 02:52:16.560 --> 02:52:32.399 Florida, making transportation related amendments to chapter 1, future land use element. Chapter 2, transportation element. Chapter 9, capital improvements element. Chapter 12 administration and chapter 13 glossery of the city's comprehensive plan. Deleting the multimmoal transportation district. Providing for goals, objectives, and 589 02:52:32.399 --> 02:52:47.359 policy relating to the city mobility plan and city mobility fees. Providing for transmitt to the Florida Department of Commerce, providing for incorporation into the comprehensive plan, providing for a business impact estimate, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. This is 590 02:52:47.359 --> 02:53:03.920 an administrative ordinance that you're hearing on second reading. again um because the state of Florida needed us to readt it due to timing um with the ear. >> All right, thank you for that and the clarification. If anyone from the public wishes to speak on ordinance 2513 PC, 591 02:53:03.920 --> 02:53:22.080 this is your time to do so. Seeing none, we'll close the public comments and I'll entertain a motion at this time from councel. >> All right, Councilwoman Traml. >> Mayor, I'll make the motion that we adopt ordinance 25-13-PC on second reading. All right, I have a motion. Do I hear a second? 592 02:53:22.080 --> 02:53:39.600 >> Second. >> All right, with a second. Seeing no further discussions, we'll call the vote. Eyes have it 70. So moved. Councilman Braden. Thank you, Mayor. Um, city manager, why do we not have any type of 593 02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:56.640 um plan in place for going around the city and checking our sidewalks? Seems like we're getting sued left and right for these trip and falls. Um, I know there's several. I sent you one ongoing front of Lockwood's house on uh Indian Bayou that had been there. It was raised 594 02:53:56.640 --> 02:54:12.479 up a lot more than the pictures we saw tonight that the lady tripped over and it had been there for had to be several years. Um, we also got a a pine tree in um Kair that's been there for over 15 years growing into the road. It's got the road all 595 02:54:12.479 --> 02:54:29.920 messed up. Um, so I'm just wondering why we don't have anything in place to go around once or twice a year and check our sidewalks for these trip and fall hazards. It's because the council hasn't adopted something or 596 02:54:29.920 --> 02:54:44.720 >> I'm not sure there's anything been adopted. Um, but I can ask Michael if we're if we have a standard policy and if not we certainly get one in place. >> Sure. Councilman Braden, we have about 70 mi of sidewalk. a little over uh we 597 02:54:44.720 --> 02:55:00.800 do a citywide assessment every two years for that. Uh work orders are generated for abrupt grade changes, cracked sidewalks, things like that, as well as uh the ability for our citizens and staff to report those to us directly. 598 02:55:00.800 --> 02:55:16.800 So, we just finished a round of sidewalk grinding not two months ago where I think we did over 100 adjustments. >> Okay. Um, and I and I can only speak to Indian Bayou because I see it quite often. They come through there and they 599 02:55:16.800 --> 02:55:34.000 grind a spot down. Sometimes they get it level, sometimes they don't. Um, and it's generally where pine trees or something are growing, lifting the sidewalk up, and 6 months later it's almost right back to where the ones that I've witnessed are almost right back to where it was before they started 600 02:55:34.000 --> 02:55:50.000 grinding it. So, if we're looking at that sidewalk every two years, it's going a year and a half for a trip and fall hazard. Um, so I particularly where the trees are growing and the sidewalks raised up. There's a lot of places, like I say, I can only 601 02:55:50.000 --> 02:56:08.000 speak to anybody. Um, I think that sidewalk needs to be taken out and the roots need to be cut or something because just grinding it down and I could take you to several that they've they've ground on more than twice because it keeps rising up. um fix the 602 02:56:08.000 --> 02:56:25.120 problem instead of just keep grinding on it and 6 months later is another trip hazard. So, it just seems like we're getting sued left and right over somebody tripping over a half inch thing. And I I know we got, you know, 70 mi of whatever sidewalk, but we got to come up with a better plan 603 02:56:25.120 --> 02:56:42.560 of maintaining them or doing something cuz it's we're just getting sued too much over simple stuff. So, if we can't do it, then we need to hire somebody that can do it or maintain them or or somebody go around check them 604 02:56:42.560 --> 02:56:58.800 somehow somewhere. Um, I don't know, maybe code compliance can take their blinders off and go around and check them every once in a while. Um, so other than that, that's all I got tonight, Mayor. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Councilwoman Traml. 605 02:56:58.800 --> 02:57:15.439 >> Uh, yes. I just wanted to answer uh Mr. Braden here. Uh, public works and safety does review. They have um in their goals and objectives for the year to review their section. Each person is assigned a section within that. So, if there's 606 02:57:15.439 --> 02:57:32.319 sidewalks there, they review those as well. The other thing I have tonight is um it's on Kelly Street and I'm not sure of the house number, but it's right where that giant skeleton is sitting. I believe the oak tree is dead. that is in 607 02:57:32.319 --> 02:57:49.040 the sidewalk. So I think that needs to be removed. >> We are we are already working that issue right there. We have to get approval, express written permission from the commissioner baseball and the city manager to remove any trees within the rightway. We're on it. We're on it. >> Okay. Thank you. 608 02:57:49.040 --> 02:58:05.439 >> I think we know them. >> Councilman Dustin. >> Thank you, mayor. Um, city manager, as we move forward to talk to our undergrounding utility contractor about extending their their time and our power 609 02:58:05.439 --> 02:58:22.640 and light, as best I can tell, there are no outlets planned for Harbor Boulevard in Fort Walton. They when they did some of their utility work, they asked or required that outlets be put in so they can run their Christmas lights and and 610 02:58:22.640 --> 02:58:37.279 whatever other decorations they want to put. As we go forward to try to cut them some slack on that issue, we need to talk to them about trying to put in some outlets so we could actually have Christmas lights, Christmas lights, or whatever other things we want to put on 611 02:58:37.279 --> 02:58:53.439 Harbor Boulevard as we go forward. I you can check the contract. I'm pretty sure it's not in there. But uh we need to talk to them about doing that before we get all through with this. >> Other than that, that's all I have. >> When I read wisdom in that resolution, 612 02:58:53.439 --> 02:59:13.840 that is it right there. >> Bag me. >> Ray, thank you. My daughters want to personally thank you uh and for your mentorship of our youth council which you know I know is not the primary 613 02:59:13.840 --> 02:59:30.800 purpose of your job but you've made the difference in in a lot of young lives who now are not quite so young. They're a couple of them are older than Bobby. So that's uh >> that ain't saying much. Well, that's 614 02:59:30.800 --> 02:59:49.120 true. But it has been a pleasure and an honor to serve with you and and uh I wish you well. Uh happy birthday uh city manager and I just want to thank the staff, particularly Tina and her folks for 615 02:59:49.120 --> 03:00:05.520 getting inspired down. Uh I was sincere when I made the comment when he was here. You know that that's what we have to do. uh because we're going to have a rough couple of years here with the budget probably. So, thank you. 616 03:00:05.520 --> 03:00:20.160 >> All right, Councilwoman Aber. >> Thanks, Mayor. I want to ditto what uh Mr. Bagby just said, Ray. You've been an absolute treasure to the city for the last 10, 15 years. You're always helpful 617 03:00:20.160 --> 03:00:37.600 and so knowledgeable and patient with all the asks that you get from us no matter whether we're on committees or on the day as as well as all the city staff. So, thank you for everything. We appreciate you and hope you enjoy your retirement. I'm sure your wife will. 618 03:00:37.600 --> 03:00:53.200 >> Happy birthday, Larry. >> Thank you. >> And uh speaking to that, we are going to go to the League of Cities in um August down in Hollywood. There's a few of us on the deis. I don't know if you've made it as our team member, as our city 619 03:00:53.200 --> 03:01:10.240 leader, our city manager rather, for any of the league of cities, but um do I need to make a motion or to request that you attend this one in August this year? Just is there anything official or can I just suggest that you be part of the the team that goes to this year's League of 620 03:01:10.240 --> 03:01:26.560 Cities meeting? >> Be more than happy to go unless there's an objection from council. Any objections to Larry going to the League of Cities? >> I don't think so. We'll see you. >> So, were you working with Waste Management when they used to do the old Death by Chocolate? >> I went to many of them as a county 621 03:01:26.560 --> 03:01:41.760 commissioner. >> Yeah. >> Ah, do they still do them for the city? >> No, they don't do them anymore. >> No, Waste Pro is the new uh new party spot. >> But but do they bring Rocky in the rollers? That's the only question that matters. >> I don't know. 622 03:01:41.760 --> 03:01:59.120 >> Yeah. Um, and then the the last thing that I want to say is um, Tina, thank you to your team of code enforcement. Um, I have had a very pleasant last couple of weeks. I've not had to take any trash cans from the street to the other side of the sidewalk and it's been 623 03:01:59.120 --> 03:02:16.399 amazing. And I know those guys are doing it because they're on the other side of the sidewalk. They're not residents that have taken them back to their homes. So tell you guys it's very appreciated. And I know the guy that said, "You moved this trash can again. I'm gonna call the cops. Tell him it was me and please call 624 03:02:16.399 --> 03:02:32.720 me and I'll bring Jason with me to his house to complain." I know the cops. >> Okay. But thank you and thank you to your team. I know it's uh it's a challenge, but really appreciate what they do. >> Thank you. I'll pass it along to them. >> All right. Council member Morgan. 625 03:02:32.720 --> 03:02:48.640 >> Thank you. Uh Mr. Bagby, I take full responsibility for the confusing vote at the last meeting. I was uh in my defense, I had not had an agenda briefing and I was told by Miss Cop that it was going to be an easy meeting and I thought muscle memory would get me 626 03:02:48.640 --> 03:03:04.399 through. And about midway through what we were discussing, I was completely lost and I figured it was just safe to vote no on everything. So try not to let it happen again. Um yeah, just saying that was Yeah. So that was that was me and I apologize. 627 03:03:04.399 --> 03:03:19.040 >> Guess I should have defined easy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, Mr. Bailey, we've had a lot of uh in a city with a lot of um changes constantly in the boards and in the staff. Uh we would have a lot of 628 03:03:19.040 --> 03:03:35.279 hard long meetings and I could always look over there and there was stability. You're a consmate professional. Um you're a kind person. You approach your job. um you you're really really good at your job and it's been really apparent 629 03:03:35.279 --> 03:03:52.399 that you care a lot about it and if more people approach their jobs like that it'd be a much better place. So thanks and I'll miss you council. >> Yes. Thank you. A few few questions. Um we've had a few complaints about a waste 630 03:03:52.399 --> 03:04:08.479 management garbage can issue at uh Gulf Breeze Court. Has that been worked out with anybody in particular over there with eight to 10 garbage cans always blocking somebody's driveway? >> It has been worked out. What we did is 631 03:04:08.479 --> 03:04:24.000 we >> Do you want to hear it or no? It actually wasn't. >> If it worked out, we're good to go. >> Everybody said it worked out. So that's that's >> We did a complete change. >> It's all good. Thank you for working it out. Picked up. >> Thank you for working it out. 632 03:04:24.000 --> 03:04:40.240 >> Today was our first day. Great. >> All right. All right, >> job well done. Um, Miss uh, Abear and code. Uh, you know, proactive code enforcement. We've talked about proactive code enforcement, I think, often. Some Not 633 03:04:40.240 --> 03:04:55.600 sure if everybody believes in proactive code enforcement. I know I do. Uh, that's what brought the gentleman here tonight to get a livery vessel registration because we were proactively on the harbor enforcing things. Um, 634 03:04:55.600 --> 03:05:09.680 there's been questions and comments from community members and maybe some council members about why are we going out and doing things in in the city and making a big deal about it? Well, it's proactive enforcement, I 635 03:05:09.680 --> 03:05:27.840 believe, or it's education. So, are we still working on the education piece um in the future about how to make certain areas of the town better? Is that something I think we were talking about or we were working on 636 03:05:27.840 --> 03:05:42.800 about educating some different things? Is that like a still work in progress? >> Uh there is a big education component with code compliance. Our first goal is always to try and educate if we can before we go into having to give someone 637 03:05:42.800 --> 03:06:00.160 a violation. And um speaking of the trash cans, we did just do a um part of that campaign was sticking the educational stickers on the trash cans to let people know, hey, try not to leave your trash cans in the street. So, right, that's always our first goal is to educate. Um, 638 03:06:00.160 --> 03:06:16.880 >> we got wonderful flyers mailed to us about if you have an idea in the city or um if you have a a project or I forget what the wording was. I'm not sure if that came from Tamara. It was about if you have a suggestion about certain 639 03:06:16.880 --> 03:06:32.640 things. Is there a followup to that flyer that went out? Like are we receiving anything from people? Was that a code suggestion? Was that to make the city prettier? >> Yeah, that was something public information put out and then the 640 03:06:32.640 --> 03:06:50.000 suggestions go directly to the various sites, particularly code was focus of that. >> Have we gotten any? >> Um, I'm not sure if we've received any specific feedback from that. Um, I think that might have gone out before I was on board. Do we know how long ago that went 641 03:06:50.000 --> 03:07:05.520 out? Could we check into that flyer outreach program because I love getting that in the mail >> and if people are providing feedback I I would love to >> Yes. Definitely. We'll look into that and see what feedback we've got. 642 03:07:05.520 --> 03:07:22.319 >> That' be great. Uh last thing, uh Mr. Fitzgerald came. I think Miss a um Traml, you're the legislative sponsor. I've never seen a more thorough public presentation with a Vimeo under three minutes. Exactly. He met the He met the 643 03:07:22.319 --> 03:07:38.560 3minut deadline as well. I understand I think we got the easements at the last two to four weeks ago. So I know there's progress being made but his request about what's been happening. Do you have anything or do the city staff maybe have anything? I don't have anything at this 644 03:07:38.560 --> 03:07:52.560 point. >> The status is that staff is doing the inspections now and we informed council member Traml and she was good with this plan that when they were done we were going to meet uh internally with her to 645 03:07:52.560 --> 03:08:08.479 fill her in and then discuss. >> Do we know the timeline of the inspections and when that will be taking place? >> We would have to ask the city engineer. Uh, so I'm going to be going out as I 646 03:08:08.479 --> 03:08:25.200 compile the information into the report that I'm working on. Um, and just to verify certain informations out there. >> Yeah. >> So within the within the timeline that was prescribed, >> right, which is through from now to July 4th, they have that time period. By July 647 03:08:25.200 --> 03:08:42.080 4th, inspections would be complete. >> Okay. I appreciate the update. and they went out in the rain. >> All right. Uh, thank you, Councilman Schmidt. I've already said my piece with 648 03:08:42.080 --> 03:08:58.800 Mr. Ray Bay over there, so I won't belabor that. And it sounds like we're going to have a legislative sponsor for the $5 parking. So, I'll just nip my idea in the butt and we'll just wait for this idea to get through the season, see how it works, and we'll go from there. 649 03:08:58.800 --> 03:09:16.080 So, with that, public comments. Oh, I'm so sorry. >> You know, I really just wanted to say something to Ray. >> Yeah. You know what? I want to hear you say something to Ray. >> Very few people that has been here. I mean, I've been working with Ray for 10 years, and there's not that many staff 650 03:09:16.080 --> 03:09:31.359 that has been around that long, but Rey, I will miss you. I know we are in great hands with um your successor, but um we'll miss you and we will never forget some of our very interesting records 651 03:09:31.359 --> 03:09:46.479 issues and you know what I'm talking about and we won't mention names. >> Sounds like a book to write in your retirement time. >> There's been all kinds of things and positions and >> All right. Sorry about that. All right, 652 03:09:46.479 --> 03:10:08.399 now public comments. two weeks for six minutes. >> I wait two weeks for six minutes. Um, so here's what I'm going to speculate. Okay. From now till July 4th, the report that's going to come back to council is 653 03:10:08.399 --> 03:10:25.520 we think we should engage a third party to figure out how we're going to go through resolutions. You know, that's that's what I'm going to speculate. And then we're going to go another 60, 90 days waiting for them to come back. This is having real impacts. It's having real impacts on the property. You have tens of thousands of 654 03:10:25.520 --> 03:10:40.319 people coming down here. I've had three prospective buyers on the property in the last two weeks since the last council meeting. This has been sitting there for a period of time. This is not caused. This is a private property. You know what's interesting as you just talked about some of the other issues 655 03:10:40.319 --> 03:10:58.000 with the harbor pumps. Okay. Tell you a little story in the council meetings. You can all go back and look at it, okay? When Indian Trail Estates and Indian Woods was approved, okay, the council sat there and they said very simply, "We'll approve this if you get your permit." Guess what? That permit 656 03:10:58.000 --> 03:11:14.160 was applied for the same day as that council meeting and it was withdrawn a week later. Those houses were built. Everything was occurring without a permit. Nothing ever happened. Okay? It just happened. Okay? Those builders bought one parcel that dumped all the 657 03:11:14.160 --> 03:11:30.399 water down through there that ended up at the culvert. Guys, I've got all the data. I don't know what we're studying. I don't know what soil samples are going to tell you, okay? I don't it doesn't matter to me what happened upstream, okay? What's coming out of that cover is causing uh impacts to this property. I 658 03:11:30.399 --> 03:11:45.680 mean, there's no question. I mean, I sat here, I put together everything. So, I would just ask council to really look at what the situation is you're looking at. Let's figure out a resolution and get it resolved. Thank you. >> Right. Thank you, sir. All right. Anyone else? 659 03:11:45.680 --> 03:11:51.319 Seeing none uh adjourned.