Would you bow your heads with me? Gracious and almighty God, we gather this evening with grateful hearts, acknowledging your sovereignty over our city, our community, and our lives. We thank you for this city council and for every member who has dedicated
themselves to the service and well-being of our residents. We also lift before you all of our city staff, those who labor faithfully, often behind the scenes to keep our community safe and orderly and thriving.
As we enter into these holiday weeks, Lord, we pray especially that the peace of Christ may dwell fully in every heart, in every home, and throughout every department of our city. Let his peace bring calm where there is stress,
hope where there is heaviness, and joy where there has been weariness. So we ask all of this in the mighty name of Jesus. And now the blessing in Numbers chapter 6 is this. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May he turn his face
towards you and be gracious. May he give you his peace. Amen. >> Councilwoman Abear with the pledge, please. Please join me with your hand over your heart. Please stand and join me with your hand over your heart. >> I pledge [clears throat] algiance to the
flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Now you can sit. >> Yeah. Got to love hearing the youth in
the audience. Yeah. [laughter] >> All right. Before we get in here is and uh accept the agenda, is there any modifications, changes for the agenda? All right. Seeing none, can I get a motion to approve the agenda? >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as is.
>> I got a motion. Got a second. Uh >> yeah, we're going to vote unless we need some time. >> All right. Eyes have it. So moved. Oh, >> we still >> There we go. >> Are you a yes? >> I'm a yes.
>> All right, just for the record. All right, eyes have it unanimously. So moved 70. Uh with that, the Dustin Pew Tackle Football Champions. >> All right. All right. I I was on my honeymoon getting updates of the game. So,
congratulations. I was I was rooting from you from several states away. So, that's amazing. All right. Tonight, we want to introduce you to our Super Bowlinning 2025 Destin Dolphin Pew Tackle Football Team. Congratulations. [applause] This season, the Pee-Wee Dolphins had a
record of seven- one in the regular season and finished with the number two seed in West Division. After beating Freeport in the second round, Shalomar in the third round, they advanced to the Super Bowl and beat Jackson County 196.
It wasn't even close. They didn't have a chance. The team is is uh head coached by Joe. And uh now we would like to turn it over to him to introduce all the names because I definitely don't want to butcher half the team's names. So come
on up here, Coach Joe. >> Hey, different coach. >> Joe's not here. >> So I'm co I'm coach Brandon Knox. Just want to thank the parents again for such a special year. All the hard work these kids put in. appreciate you guys
recognizing their accomplishments cuz I was told it's been multiple decades since a Dustin team has brought home a Super Bowl winning trophy. So that's a testament to these kids and and I know that they're proud for the recognition and their ability to get this special
coin. So I'm going to call them up by number and name. Leading us off is Mason Trout, number zero. All >> [applause] >> right, you stand up here. >> Stand up here. You stand up here.
>> Number one, Carter H. Hearnden. [applause] Number two, Jace Edmonson. [applause] Number five, Charlie Cop. [applause] Number eight, Shane McCalpine. [applause] Number 10, Nico Shear. [applause]
Number 11, one of the most important players on the field, John Robert. [applause] Number 12, Ganon Barkcus. [applause] 13, Henry Phillips. [applause] 14, Connor Shinkle.
15, big man on the O line, Luke Davies. [applause] Number 18, Deacon Lancing Bird. [applause] Number double deuce, Bo Roberts. [applause] Number 24, Vinnie Fasula.
[applause] Number 25, Rockstar. [applause] >> Number 26, Baker Agolu. Number [applause] >> number 34, Jack Fricky. [applause] Number 40, Big Finn Davidson. [applause]
44, Bo Knox. [applause] 45. Jackson Stokes. [applause] 55. Roberto Sierra Ramos. [applause] >> Is that Jack Graham? >> All right. Number 27, Jack Graham. Very
instrumental part of our team. [applause] And to conclude, we have Jax Nles. [applause] >> Do you want to get them >> here? You come here. Pay attention. >> Thank [applause] y'all. [cheering]
>> Good. Congratulations. You want one? Come on. Got to have one. [applause] Can you get a second one for Joe, >> sir? >> All right. Thank you guys for being here. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay, we'll give them just a couple seconds to clear out and then we'll get into public comments. I thought you said anybody want All right, the noise is calming down a
little bit. So, with that, we'll continue on to the public comments. If anyone's here and wishes to speak, you have three minutes to do so. I just need your name in the address. The only thing we would ask that you not speak on because we will have their own separate uh time for public comments are the
public hearings A, B, and C. So, outside of that, the floor is yours. Push the button. Push that gray button down. There you go. Name and address. The floor is yours. >> All right. My name is Ricky Lyn Grant, Jr. 175 Main Street, Dest, Florida, 32541,
General Delivery. And um I was here, I guess, two weeks ago. We missed you, Mr. uh Mayor Bobby Wagner, but I had a presentation for the council. Dewey Destin sat right there. So, I wish you could have saw it, but I had a bunch of stuff with what I got going on with the
license and then getting the broker's license, obviously, after two years. Um, just trying to make some friends, you know, in the area. I mean, I could live in Athens, Greece, and I wouldn't really know the difference, you know, Kev or any coastal town in the world. So, I try
not to be biased and show biased. I try to just have friends wherever and all kinds of governments and appeal to all people. So, Ricky Lane Grant Jr. and this is it. But, uh, with 2 minutes left, I've got a lot of advertising that I'm working on.
Trying to get my my website off the ground. www. rickylandrantjr.com and then Google ads. Uh, and then, you know, maybe find a wife between all three of my properties. That seems to be
the the way of the of the wild out there is to find a life partner. So, I'm trying to keep that lane open. and uh just try to make it out of here alive, you know what I mean? And I like the politics, you know, the United States of
America, you know, Uncle Sam, and I try to just stick with the real estate, the Florida Real Estate Commission. But, you know, I come to these meetings cuz I like having friends and it's a nice platform. So, I just try to stay positive until close the deal. It's kind
of different being an entrepreneur in America. So, I try to be nice to everybody. I don't need any money, but I know how to do the deal. Got a college education. Looking forward to maybe a commercial space on the bay and do some fishing. A
$20 million boat. Maybe kind of industrial, agricultural, commercial, maybe 20 million on the boat. I talked to Galott. I don't know. I got to make some more friends with the dealers. I guess maybe maybe a bigger
market like Miami. Maybe some type of fishing boat. Maybe could cast the big nets, you know, cast the nets on the other side. This big I guess the the church or whatever the Jesus Christ or whatever. Cast your nets
on the other side and pulled in a a net of fish so big that it weighed the boat down. So maybe I can cast my nets and pull in so much fish that the boat will start to sink. Other than that, I got my farm, $100 million farm, and my coastal front beach
house that I'm trying to six, seven million with a conventional loan. I guess that's almost $2 million cash. So, I got a lot of work to do, but I enjoy the meetings. I enjoy being here and maybe, you know, maybe have something to talk about next time. All right. Thanks.
>> Thank you, Ricky. Thanks for being here. All right. Anyone else? Yes, sir. name and address and the floor is yours. >> Thank you. I am Michael Leech. I live at Sun 793 Pine Street >> and um I just went to a planning meeting
today. I was very interested in the idea that we talked about two years ago in May 2023 that uh to keep Pine Street from coming through street. I learned at the meeting today with Jesse that you guys have it
NC-1 and plan to make it a through street. So it's going to go from Calhoun through Cyber and through my street which will end
to at Stallman. So basically it's not a through street. There's no connectivity other than whatever they publish in the directions. So they'll say turn down Pine Street. So you turn down Pine Street. Then they're going to say make a
left-hand turn. It's going to go to Stalman. Going to get to Kelly, which we already know is the backup point. Goes to Calhoun Cyber to Kelly. And that traffic is going to be backed up. Now it's going to be backed up in front of
my house. And I was shocked. I thought when um we had that meeting before, there were four streets that you guys said would not be opened and Pine Street was one of them. And I made a letter to
you saying, "Okay, now that Pine Street's not going to be open, we want to wish want to complete it to be a culde-sac with Blue Mile Court with the street going through." Of course, they they're not going to do that. It's going to may remain Pine
Street. And I think it's important to know that we should should have gotten verification or further verification that the street was going to be open. And I don't know who voted that for
that, but I'll find out. And um we need to make sure we get this so it becomes a culde-sac and We need to have the planning commission be able to take that off the list. And
just for information, just that one segment of road. By the way, you got to you got to get through Bod Budro's house as well, which is one one house over the plan just for that. And this is estimate, I'm sure, $743,000.
I can guarantee you will go over a million dollars before you get done. And that's I mean I don't think it's worth a million dollars. God bless you. I don't think it's worth a million dollars to put that little segment in. >> So um
>> to recap, they said no to the name change because of that. >> Okay. >> Not yet. Okay. >> We're still we're they we're still talking. But I as what I did was ask about when the meeting was >> and he said it tonight. >> Yep. >> All right. And I'll I'll come back for the last three minutes later on. Thank
you. Thank you very much. >> Yep. All right. Anyone else? >> All right. Seeing none, um Dr. T, could you hit the button? Thank you. All right. With that, we'll close public comments and get to the consent agenda. Do I hear a motion? >> Make a motion to approve consent.
>> I have a motion. With a second. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second that. >> All right. With a motion and a second. I'll call the vote for the consent agenda A through E. eyes have it 70. So moved. City manager report. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Welcome back, council. Um,
first item is 4A is regarding a six-month extension to the Tyler technology contract. As you're aware, we've been working to uh transition from Tyler to UKG and Aclarian and MGO for permitting clarion for financial and UKG
for HR payroll. Uh all those functions are currently or have been uh housed in in the Tyler technology um platform and we were hoping to have the ability to move completely away from that by now. But a couple of things have come to
light of late. Primarily a an active IRS audit of our payroll functions that is in Munis, which is part of the Tyler technology that the static data that we could pull out is somewhat insufficient um to keep that
IRS audit moving and being able to get them the information they need timely. also their unfinished development and code cases in intergov. Um and then getting the inner job interg transitioned over to MGO is taking some
more time and we want to be sure we protect our public record. So it's the recommendation of our IT director uh and staff that we would extend this another six months recognizing that um there's a lot to be done uh and we're
certainly going to work to make sure we don't need to do this again. Uh but um we have money in the budget to do it so it wouldn't require a budget amendment. So um we would ask you to consider that this evening. >> All right. Councilman Bagby. >> I move to approve a six-month extension
of the Tyler Technology software as a service contract in the amount of $46,8454 as outlined in the attached amendment. >> I'll second that. >> Motion and second. Any further discussion on it extension? All right. Seeing none, we'll call the vote.
>> All right. I 770. So moved. Thank you. Next item is 4B is regarding um discussion we had at last meeting regarding the CRA advisory committee and um the recommendations coming from the two CRA advisory committees, harbor and
the town center. So we we were it was brought to our attention that there may be a backlog of of requests coming from those advisory committees. So we wanted to go take a look at that and part of last week our last meetings discussion was that those items should be vetted
through the CRA board prior to coming to city council. So in looking at uh what's out there that um has been requested to move forward uh from the harbor CRA um if you recall at the last meeting there was a discussion regarding the phasing
of the utility undergrounding project projects. There's also an a request to install a breakwater at Clement Taylor Park to explore funding options with the tourist development council to repair and improve the Harbor One property seaw
wall to develop a used oil collection partnership with businesses that accept used oil and to appoint John Stevens and Guy Tadlock to the Destin Bridge Committee. And currently we're not aware of any backlog from the town center CRA.
So, what we would like to um suggest tonight is that uh we schedule a CRA uh board meeting either at the next meeting at prior to your next council meeting or the first meeting in January to address
these items and to make sure there's some clarity as to what the um CRA Harbor CRA advisory committee is requesting and whether it'll be funded through harbor CRA funds, whether they're looking for funs funds from city
council. But um probably what would come from that is some direction back to them to bring a more defined request so that the CRA board can know what to recommend to the city council. But until we get them before the um um CRA board in that
format, we we may not know the best answers for those. So we would suggest that we um schedule a meeting and we'll do that absent um your opposition. but with um some recommendations whether to do it in the next meeting this month or
the first meeting in January. And then beyond that we and then ask the CRA board to bring those things that are have been listed or any other backlog they have identified for your consideration as the CRA board and then move to the city council. In addition to that, we would recommend
that moving forward that uh the first meeting of each quarter uh of the council meeting that we schedule a standing CRA board committee board meeting. Um and if these either the town center or the harbor CRA have
initiatives they'd like to bring forward, they'll know what that time frame looks like and they can make plan accordingly. And if there's nothing, we won't we won't have the meeting, but we'll at least have one scheduled and in place uh if we need it. So, um um absent
further direction, just whether you'd rather have a meeting the 16th or the first meeting in January, whatever day that may fall on and subject to your questions. Well, since I'm not on the CRA board, I will butt out, but uh I'd be able to make it
in January. >> As president of the CRA board, if we have it, we could do it at the next meeting at 5:30. If you want me to make a motion to that effect, >> that will be fine. >> I'll make a motion that we have the CRA
board meeting next meeting u at 5:30. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. >> On what day? >> December 16th, our next meeting. >> Okay. All right. Got a motion in a second for a CRA board meeting. Uh, any further discussion? >> Yep. Council Bagby.
>> Yeah, because he asked for guidance. Uh, the main thing I want to hear from the CRA board, and I know John's here, uh, is the pay. A couple of things don't require pay, you know, putting you and Guy on the bridge authority or whatever,
but are you proposing to use CRA money? Are you opposing to just use general revenue? I don't need to know tonight CRA meeting. I don't want to get but how how you want to pay for it. Number one. Number two, what the priorities are. Okay? Because if you want to break water
and you want to you know this and that and another thing all of a sudden now we're into real money. So what's your priority? What do you want us to do first? What what's most important? and hopefully I don't know when is the next harbor CRA
advisory committee meeting. >> Uh next Wednesday. >> Okay. So it will be before the next M. I just want to make sure that you know >> and then I want I would like for y'all to speak on the individual items that you want the CRA board to
forward to the city council as per uh why it's the most efficient use of either your funds or our funds. Uh, couple of those, like I said, putting y'all on a board, asking our uh TDC
representative to go to the TDC and ask for money to help with uh something. Th those are easy. We can do that. I'm more concerned about what you're asking us to spend stuff on. Thank you. >> All right. Uh, Councilwoman Traml.
>> Yeah, I was going to add to that. I think um I was on the board when these came up, so I know the background story of this, but the background story's never been included ever, and it needs to be at the next board meeting, [clears throat]
uh the CRA board meeting. We need to have the backstory. Why did this come about? What is it needed? Uh, I know one of the things was the u depositing the oil and uh that was brought up by boat captains who use like I don't know 20 or 30 gallons of oil
versus a quart that we use in our car and there's not a facility. Well, that's a private business that's asking for something, [snorts] >> you know, as as legislation. I say, "Well, maybe we can find them some land. Do you know of any land? Do you know where we could put it? Do you know that
the the the um laws regarding disposable oil and disposing of oil? Those kinds of things need to be included in whatever it is you want us to do. [clears throat] So that was just a suggestion. >> Can you be at the next meeting so that
that's brought up before it comes to us in de >> what can I be at the next meeting? >> Next Wednesday's meeting for that background. >> Yeah, I don't mind. Uh yes, I can be at Wednesday's meeting. Um I think that's fine. I was going to suggest maybe um since it's real easy uh that we have Mr.
Stevens and Guy Tadlock already nominated to go to the bridge committee and that way we don't have to use that use our board meeting up for that. Does that >> do I need to make that a motion >> after >> after this motion? >> Yes. Okay, I'll do that. Thank you.
>> All right. And any So, uh Councilman Dustin. >> Thank you, mayor. I just comment [clears throat] on the oil disposal. Uh when we started out, the city was in charge of making some place available to dispose of the oil because in the absence of that oil got disposed in
places where it ought not have been disposed. We did that at the fishing fleet for quite a long time and then we went into an agreement with the quick oil change on on Mountain Drive >> and then when they closed that was the end of that. So we do need to go forward to have some place and it's not just for
charter boats. for anybody that has a vessel in Destin and there are hundreds and hundreds of them and we don't want them throwing that oil like I say where it ought not to be. So that's >> one that we can go forward with and is not that expensive. I think we paid the quick change oil place by the gallon and
it really was not expensive. So that's one we do need to work out otherwise we'll get we get oil in places it doesn't need to be. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. With that I got no one else on the board for this motion. So I'll call >> Yes. Just may
just to inquire Mr. Stevens, does that give you guys the 16th meeting enough time to meet next Wednesday and then be prepared for that meeting on the 16th? Um >> yeah, just come on. >> Just just a thought to make sure they're they do have time to be ready. >> John Stevens, uh chairman of Harve. Um I
won't be at the next meeting. Um, so we'll have to have the vice chair be there unless you guys want to push it to um to the January. >> Yes. >> Yeah, that'd be ideal. Keep us going off season. >> Question is everybody going to be here
on the 16th time. We we're not sure. >> I am handcuffed to the house. I've left for long enough. I don't want to go anywhere. [laughter] would be better to put it off the first meeting in January. >> And that's up for you guys. Um, if you guys know what your schedules are looking like, >> I'm going to make a substitute to put
off first meeting in January. That gives us more time and then more time. >> Okay. All right. So, I do have a substitute motion to push to January. Got a second. Uh, any further discussions on the second? >> When is the first meeting in January? Is that the 16th?
>> No. >> January 5th. It's the first Monday in January. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, it's only two weeks. >> Okay. >> So, I've got no no problem with that move. >> All right. So, we are going to adopt the
substitute. I see no other discussion. So, we will vote on pushing this to the first in January. First week of January. >> January 5th. >> January 5th. All right. Eyes have it. So, move 70. And Councilwoman Traml. >> Yep. No worries. Uh, so
>> I would just I would just like to make the motion uh that we go ahead and appoint uh John Stevens and Guy Tadlock to the bridge committee. >> I'll second that. >> All right. Just for >> Yeah. for vote. Do we need is there one
per person like our other committees or are we just filling it out? I I wasn't >> there just two from each board and they selected from themselves. >> All right. Thank you for the clarification. All right. With that, I'll Yep. We'll call the vote. Do we have our second? >> I do. >> You You second. All right. Thank you.
All right. We'll call the vote on the two nominations to the bridge committee. >> All right. Eyes have it so moved. And with that, just going to jump in a little bit with that kind of as a tale to that. Uh Rodney Chamberlain, uh who a lot of us know already, just got
appointed to FDOT's District 3 director position. Uh so me and him spoke at the last TPO meeting last week. Um so he's very interested in meeting our bridge uh aesthetics committee as well as he
informed me and I'd like staff to um please verify that the permits for the underpass under the bridge uh to his knowledge at least for his district or his department um have been approved. So, um, if we guys haven't had that
notification yet, if you guys would please reach out to them, um, at D3 and just make sure that's all there for the CRA harbor so that for these discussions and everything, uh, whether it's the breakwater, um, that we just know exactly what the, um, the current makeup
is for where the project stands from the permitting side. So, that was just a little quick TPO intermission there. All right. Thank you. Next item 4C is regarding the
uh FY2026 budget amendment to fund the FRS um plan that um we passed two meetings ago, last meeting perhaps. Um anyway, uh the we were asked to bring
back a budget amendment to u fund that program uh not to exceed $532,570 and that's before you for your consideration. >> All right. With that, uh Councilman Bagby. Mayor, I move to amend the FY2026
budget to increase personnel taxes and benefits by $532,570. Uh, an amount not to exceed $532,570. >> All right. And last >> and I have Councilwoman Aber with the second. Is that correct? >> All right. With that, any discussion?
>> All right. Seeing none, we'll call the vote. All right. Eyes have it. So move 61. All right. >> Thank you, >> Aman Jones. >> Next item is 4 D asking you to consider a letter opposing the oil drilling and energy explor exploration in the east
eastern Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of America as case may be. Um this was you have a letter in your packet uh that the Okaloos County Board of County Commissioners approved at their November 18th meeting um supporting a permanent
protection of the Eastern Gulf Test and Training Range which may be known as the Egglund uh Gulf Test and Training Range and to protect it from oil drilling and energy expiration. Uh this was brought to the BCC's attention by the Elusa
County Economic Development Council and subsequent to that they made the request that the city of Dest also um pass support a similar letter and if you support that we will draft one similar to what the county drafted from the mayor's signature.
>> All right. With that, uh Councilwoman Traml. >> Thank you, mayor. Uh, I move that the council approve the issuance of the letter of support and authorize the mayor to sign and execute the letter on behalf of the city. >> All right. >> Second. >> Got a motion and a second. Councilman
Destion. >> Thank you, mayor. And while I wholeheartedly support the the theme of this letter that we support our military activities, it's also very important to me that we make it clear that uh the things that make Destin Destin and the Gulf Coast, the water and the beaches be
protected and that they are vital and are in fact a national treasure. And if we could incorporate that into the letter, Miss Cop, can you put some wherees in there? >> Sure, be happy to. Okay, we're going to [laughter] >> during the uh during the comment period, are we still in the 30-day comment
period? If we are, then we need to try to get it done before that is over. >> Okay. >> Absolutely. >> Check on that. >> All right. And motion make your second. Are we okay with the amend? >> Absolutely. >> All right. So, those are added. All right. With that, seeing no further discussion, we'll call the vote.
All right. Eyes have it. So moved. 70. I agree. Between military and our beaches, we have nothing. [laughter] All right, Mr. City Manager. >> Thank you. Next item is regarding the annexation timeline and the efforts that this city's moving forward with
potential annexation of some of those uh u areas to our east. Um what you have in your packet is a a list of 15 uh date points that um some of them are more um
static than others. For instance, the obviously the um election day November the 3, that's not going to change. The day that uh supervisor elections August 14th has to have B ball ballot language is not going to change. So in order to
get to where we are today, we kind of reverse engineered from those dates back. Um back in July of last year of 2024, uh council said move forward with a survey of those areas that may
potentially be annexed into the city to kind of get a feel of the interest and what would bring their interest to a level that they would say we want to be part of the city. Um so uh
the next step would be to do that survey. So we've talked internally about how we would accomplish that and we think probably the best mechanism um would be to do a a fact sheet with information about the potential benefits
of annexation into the city and and then uh to each of the geographical areas and we' come up with some boundaries. Kelly Plantation, Reata Bay, whatever they may be, and send to each of those a a um a
very similar list of facts, but with a QR code that they would go to to cast a a ballot, for lack of a better term, but just to say, "Yeah, we think this is a good idea." No. But doing that would allow us to um capture those um in a
common geographic boundary. So we would know from Kelly Plantation what percentage thought that it would be good to move into the city and what not. Same with the other areas. So um that's kind of where we are. We're looking for any direction if you would like to see that
done another way. But we've got about 60 days to get that done. So we would do that through a direct mail piece and then with a QR code that would say here's where you go cast your ballot. And then when we have that data we aggregated. we'd bring it back to you and say this is what it's looking like
and then before we'd move forward and start spending money on surveys and those type things, we we'd know uh what the appetite may be to move forward. >> Okay. >> Yep. Oh, I got Councilman Schmidt and then Abear. >> Yeah. one thought [clears throat]
to consider uh direct mail is fine I guess but what if we uh utilize their HOA capabilities >> and also on top of that use them to send it out electronically and whatever methods that they have. >> We we'd absolutely look forward to any
way of getting the information to them. >> Yeah, I like that. Councilman Dustin, >> are we going to do the survey in-house or we going to hire somebody professional to to make it for us? We have talked about doing it
internally. Um, and I think with our IT staff, we can create the QR codes and just make sure we get the right information out to them, being careful not to, you know, across statutes of of putting forth information as opposed to
taking a position. >> Thanks. Okay, Councilwoman Abear, >> I'm just curious that I thought we had already started this survey um months ago. Is that I mean what >> we have not Okay. Yep. Um and and we talked about
this. I think if we can use the survey one to to gauge if there's just a complete hold out from somewhere, uh fine, fair enough. Um, but from what I've heard, I think the second step would be really honing in from whether they have a true HOA or just that
community. If you look on the map, they all kind of have their own little cluster of seeing what their needs and wants are and really understanding how we can use a fact sheet to show, hey, here's what we've done. I think one of the my favorite thing to share, especially with the Kelly and Riata groups, is what we're doing with
FourProng Lake. I think that's just a great this is what we can do for a gated community for an issue that takes all levels of government and to have a local representation to really make sure that they're represented and kickstarted and funded at the state level down uh to me
really shows uh the best foot of what we can represent. And then the second thing that seems to really spark people's eyes because at the end of the day we're taxing their taxes are going up. Uh, so my fear is that if we just ask a yes no question, do you want your taxes to go
up? I mean, I know how I'm voting and I'm the one almost spearheading this thing. However, once you show them how physically conservative and responsible we are, and I say that by saying every dollar that we get from our residents, we find three to five that year elsewhere. And so it's a multiplier. and
showing how we can grow together with it, I think really brings people back to a couple hundred dollars turns into several thousand. And you multiply that out by 5,500 uh registered voters in this unincorporated area. And now you're really starting to talk about not
necessarily what we can change tomorrow, but what we can change in 5, 10, 15 years as a community. So, I'm I'm excited to see how the survey goes. And that's kind of where our heads have been at uh trying to think on what the survey should say, do and and represent. So
with that, Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. My only uh concern on the I'd love to use the HOAs on the followup. If we have meetings, if we think we need to go pitch, you know, it's close. It seems to be on the initial questioning or on the
initial survey. I'd like for us either professionally or internally to control that questioning because if we send it to these various HOAs, then you're dependent upon a manager and a board who
will then put apply their spin to what they think they their people want to hear. you know, do you want your taxes to go up or do you want, you know, to get a free pass to uh Henderson Beach State Park for the beach? And I I want
us to control be in control of that messaging. I want our messaging to be accurate, but I don't want it to be spun or tainted by a board or a manager that may or may not support what we're
trying to find out. So initially I would like to see us professionally or internally send it directly to those people and then work through the HOAs to facilitate meetings with their members or whatever to answer questions or to uh
provide additional information on what we mail to them. >> Great. Cal u I have a crazy question. [clears throat] out of the funding that we get, how much or or do we have a dollar
amount or or an [snorts] idea of what we would obtain if we included or incorporated Kelly plantation from TDC, bed tax, gas tax, whatever it is, whichever ones are are population based, population driven. >> Well, they're going to be on Avalor
based and it would be our, you know, our rate 1.6 and change. Uh, but I don't know what the assessed value is. We asked that question earlier, but we've not got that information yet. But that is something we'd like to know. >> So, we've asked TDC to come here several
times. I know we have a TDC representative. I'm hoping our TDC uh legislative representative has enough power to uh get at least one member [laughter] of the TDC here to ask us or be able to answer some questions for us. Please.
>> Nothing to do with TDC. Well, I got some questions for TDC. Anyway, [laughter] >> um the only number that I know of Kelly is that there's about 1100 uh voters from the last election. Uh whether they voted or not, there's about 1100 voters there in Kelly. That doesn't answer the
monetary stuff, but that's kind of at least the multiplier that you're thinking of. All right, Councilman Dustin. Yeah, I'm a little uncomfortable not having a professional come up with a survey for us because we're only going to get one shot at this >> that fails and it won't be happening
again for 10 years probably. City manager, is it possible to get some kind of an estimate of what professional surveyors could would charge us? >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> What What gives you peace of mind between in-house and professional? What's what kind of gives you the the
peace of mind gap? >> Well, professionals are professionals. They do it for a living and Like I say, if we don't do it right, it won't come back again for a long time. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'll make a motion if necessary. Otherwise, can you get us an
estimate of what it would take to professional survey to get a a professional group that does surveys to try to make up a survey for us and administer it? >> Yes, sir. >> Could that come with a not to exceed limit if we're not going to have a meeting? If if we're really kind of pushing to January, I'd hate to have
this on the first week of January. We have our our first meeting in January the 5th and this issue will come up again. >> Mhm. >> Okay. I'm just giving us as much time as possible to get this. >> We have another meeting in December. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Is it possible to get it to us in
December? You think? Just an estimate? >> I would think so. Yes, sir. >> Very good. I won't make a motion if you can carry that forward. >> Okay. >> Just to give us an idea what it might cost to have it done professionally. >> All right. Councilwoman Abear. >> That was my question. We have 60 days. We can't drag this out. We need to find
out. Get back to us. Let us know so in January we can make a vote. Get it started. >> Yeah. To your earlier comment, I was hoping this was going to start six months ago as well. With that, >> I thought it was the best part of your >> I have email threads. I've tried [laughter]
with that. Um, okay. What regardless of the professional or in-house, that's fine. Um, anything in particular? I know at the end of the day we're looking for we're kind of looking for some indicators that we're not wasting our time and money. Um just while we're here so I can't talk to
you guys after really. Is there really anything particular threshold-wise that you're you guys are looking for or because I know there's going to be the initial and then as we door knock or host these HOA kind of get togethers. Uh, I think as people learn more, they
would understand more. And then that's kind of where you'll get people who want to help the community, who want their benefits, and those who, you know, a dollar up is a dollar no for me. Um, so if there's anything else in particular, we just I I'd like to hear them. Council Schmidt. >> Yeah, just a couple thoughts. Uh, I
respect you, Mr. Dest, but I I can't support putting off that more time right now. Um, I think between the mayor, Dr. Tamara and everybody else, I think they can come up with a pretty professional survey. Um, I mean, we did a survey
monkey to the staff for an HR benefit that's costing the city half a million dollars, you know. Um, and I think we can go I think these people are capable to just do that sooner just to get it out there. More time the better. I think it's not it's
not a drastic ask and I believe we've already given you the power to do a lot of this stuff, haven't we? As far as nonrepresentative representative, yes, >> I I'd prefer just to have you work with Tamara and Larry and and get the basic. Here's the, you know,
>> y'all know the information and let's don't spend money on a a professional survey. I just >> we're just wasting two, three, four weeks in my opinion. Yep. >> For something that might not even happen. >> Yep. Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. and and I understand u Councilman
Schmidt's concern and your concern, Mayor, about let's get it out. I would remind everybody a couple of things. Uh number one, we're in the holiday season. I've got something every night this
week, as I'm sure most of you do. I have something almost every night next week on the 13th. We have the parade, the Christmas party, the Army Navy game, and the PPG. Uh, so I have four things that day besides those. So my concern, one of
my concerns is people's ability in these areas to focus on this question. Yeah, I got it. Okay. I also got to go buy all my Christmas presents. I got to do all my wrapping. I got to go to all these events. Christmas tree lighting on
Thursday. the, you know, everything that's going on. >> So, I'm not as worried, >> okay, >> that we push it uh to really to after New Year's Day when people get back and they get back into the school mode. You're going to have a
lot of people go out of town over the holidays. So, I'm not sure we would get a good uh sampling of what we needed. >> Uh number two, I probably share Mr. Dustin's concern about having ha
participated and been the target of push polls. Uh you know you sometimes these polls inadvertently you get the answer you kind of >> are looking for >> looking for or the answer you're not
looking for based on uh the question or the way you ask the question. Uh again, I want us to be totally transparent about, you know, here's what we're asking you to do. Here's the cost. Here's the benefit. Uh so I may share a little bit of Mr. Destin who's probably
seen a lot more push polls than I have pushing people to answer in a certain way. I don't think it cost us anything to see how much it would cost a professional to work this up because I do agree
this we're going to get one shot at this and if we we mess this up >> statutoily we have to wait. >> Yeah. Inadvertently if we mess this even though we went in with the best intentions uh because you asked for a you know I
want 40%. I mean if we're if we're at 20% Yeah. I'm kind of don't waste her. It doesn't matter how hard you sell. You can go to knock door to door. You're not going to get 20% to 50%. >> Uh so I'm kind of supporting the motion,
I guess, as as made. Uh and I don't see the extra two weeks costing us anything. We'll be asking somebody, the staff or a professional, to develop this poll over the two weeks that are left in the month
and then put it out on January 3rd or whatever that Monday is and say you got 20 days to answer this type of thing, you know, but that's just me. >> Yeah. Councilman Dustin, my intention is not to put off. >> My intention is to make sure that we don't screw up. And I guess uh
experience helps me in analyzing that. >> Absolutely. school district tried to do a half cent sales tax a long time ago. Didn't have professional didn't do a real professional job. It was voted down resoundingly. >> It was eight years later that we brought it back up and did a better job and it
passed. >> So I don't want us to go down that route. So I will make that in the form of a motion. All right. >> That we direct the city manager to come back with an estimate only of what we can what it would cost to have a professional group do our survey and administer it. >> Second.
>> Got a motion and a second. We'll continue the discussions with Councilman Schmidt. >> Yeah, that sounds good. I guess just cl I was one more clarification that I was concerned that in January 3rd we're going to be presented with an estimate and then on January 3rd they're going to
leave here and start making a survey and then January 20th it's going to go out, you know. So I was I'm worried about that. But is there anything holding you back from also generating something so we can see options? Is that allowed to be done simultaneously?
>> So that way we're we are prepared to to not delay anything. >> That's not part of the motion, but I think it would be a duplication of efforts and if we you know it's not my not my intent to put it off. >> It's my intent to make sure it's done right.
>> Sure. >> Yeah. And if it actually were to be put off for a couple weeks and we get a professional job, you know, why are we in such a rush to fail? >> Yeah, >> let's do it. Right. >> We've been we've been waiting a year. What's two more weeks, right? So, it's
perfect. Sounds good. >> Council go. >> Thank you. I spoke to the professional, Miss Crystal over there, and uh she gave me some information that I was actually asking about. So in addition to adalorum
if we annexed in we would get more state shared revenue from gas tax >> population based >> population based that's what I was trying to ask a second ago. Additionally uh the bed tax from the annexed hotels along with sales tax would give us additional $4 million. Crystal is that
accurate what what I'm saying up here right now. >> Uh you're correct. It would increase the population-based uh shared revenues from the state which includes sales tax u municipal shared revenues, gas tax one, gas tax two. So it would increase a lot
at that level. Um right now they bring in about four million a year. This would increase it depending on how many of these neighborhoods and how many are uh year- round residents. It should increase it, I'd guess 10 to somewhere between 10 and 15% year-over-year.
>> 10 and Okay. Wonderful. And as far as annexing in Kelly plantation and and other places with as long as we don't take on their storm water issues, we could potentially see a benefit. But if we have to take on their storm water issues, it's probably going to be a nil. It's going to be a cut for cut deal.
>> It would um >> it just gives us a bigger voice. >> HOAs will uh they they have indicated that they'd prefer to maintain their own internal infrastructure themselves. we wouldn't have to take a lot of that internal infrastructure over. Uh it it
depends neighborhood by neighborhood. It's all different. Um past calculations I've done, it would all come out kind of uh even Steven, but we would uh definitely benefit from a greater population when it comes to uh state and federal level um items.
>> Wonderful. Thank you so much for helping me elaborate on my original question. You are amazing, Crystal. >> Awesome. All right. And and in all fairness, I I definitely don't mind waiting because there's plenty of things that we can still do as a grassroots
movement for this. Um even today with the linear trail, it's amazing what happens when you have a local neighborhood couple get on board and then they go to their neighbors versus the government come knocking on your door telling them that they're here to help versus, hey, no, we've we've heard
them out. This is actually pretty cool. Next thing you know, they all line up and and we're pretty um excited about uh their willingness to sign easement. So, even today, I kind of saw that firsthand of you get some community leaders to buy in. They help um share the information
of the pros and cons and it it seems to be received a lot better when your neighbor tells you one way or another versus the government. Um, so I think regardless, there's still things we'll be doing and so waiting a couple weeks for a survey or a potential survey. Um,
I think there's there's plenty of other things that we can be doing. So I don't feel like we're we're dragging behind in any way. So that would be my last comments on that. All right. Anything else? Annexation. All right. Seeing none, I got a motion in second. We'll call the vote on getting an estimate survey first meeting in January. I have
it so moved 70. and we will move it right back. Mr. Bossman Jones. >> Thank you. Uh item 4F is regarding a first amendment to the four-prong lake interlocal agreement with Okaloosa County. Uh good news from the county.
They have agreed to contribute $1 million of sir tax funds to this project. So that your action tonight re being requested is to amend our interlocal agreement with them to accept their million dollars. So weird.
>> Councilman Bagby, do you want to do the honors? >> I do. Thank you, mayor. [laughter] Mayor, I move that council approve the first amendment to the interlocal agreement from the county and direct the mayor to execute. >> I'll second that. >> All right. Motion and second. Uh just thoughts if we have any numbers off the
top of our head. What was the cost of the total project? >> Uh estimates. >> We don't know. That's a good question, Jeff. What's today's estimates? ballpark of just kind of the >> the ballpark number that I've been given
is somewhere in the $5 million range. If we have geotech done, uh we'll get a better closer estimate. That'll depend on what Geotech finds as to what type of materials are required to be used. >> Nice. And now we have state appropriation funds. We're looking at
water district and FDOT. We now got the county on board. Like I mean for for the gated community guys out there, I will happily uh go one-on-one, but I mean you can't get a better example of what cities can do for a community, even if it's a completely private gated
community and there's still issues in internally. So that's all I got. >> And I do want to thank uh the board of county commissioners and specifically Commissioner Drew Palmer. Yep. Thank you. >> Who made this uh million dollars uh a reality. Of course, I continue to thank
State Representative Pat Manny who made that million dollars and we've asked him for a little more this coming session and he is a great guy and I'm sure he's going to help us. >> Awesome. Thank you for that, Cas. >> So, you mentioned a name there that has
concern. There's no ties attached to this million dollars, right? We didn't make any promises or anything like that. Okay, wonderful. >> All right, with that, I will call the vote. All right, eyes have it unanimously. So moved. Thank you everyone for their partnership up and down the government
ladder. Dr. T or you got anything else? >> I just remind you that the 15th is the legislative delegation meeting in Shalomar and that's a Monday night. So our move our meeting was moved to Tuesday the 16th. >> Awesome. I appreciate that. My wife's
birthday is on the 15th. So, I was going to have to skip that. All right. >> All right. Wanted to say thank you to Katie Birmingham from Senator Scott's office and also Duncan Morrison who is a US Coast Guard fellow. They have been really helpful in working with us on the
navigational issues out at East Past and West Jetty. We have our city's annual tree lighting this Thursday at 6 p.m. at the community center. And our Christmas parade will be Saturday, December 13th at 10:00 a.m. Floats will start at Destin Methodist
Church on Beach Drive. And a reminder to everyone planning to come out and watch to please stand on the north side of Harbor Boulevard in 98, please. Sunday, December 14th, we have the Holly Jolly at the Harbor. There will be market activities from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
And we have specifics on our website under news and information about what is taking place then. And then that evening, the Dustin Museum is doing the boat parade and that's at six o'clock and that's it. >> Um, I wanted to find out, Lisa, you've
got a lot of great programs that are going on during the month of December. There was a couple uh the painting at the park on December 6 at 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. And then you've also got in Friday, December 12th, Christmas kids night out. Can you um talk a little bit
about that? These are things that you your group has set up to help families through the month of December. Can you elaborate? There's three or four items that you've put out, correct? >> Yes. Um well, we've got um dance camp.
We have all this online and um also call the community center for any more information, but we do have the um painting on at the park at Royal Melbourne, which has been very fun. Um, we just finished the holiday baking.
You're getting me to think what else? Um, uh, of course we've got basketball going on. And, um, what else did you just say? >> Well, I was going to ask you, you've got the painting at the park, but you've also got the Christmas kids night out.
And I'm wondering, is that really for parents to be able to do some shopping while we take care of their kids? Right. >> Yes. Kids night out. drop your children, we feed them, we play with them, and they get to go shopping. >> All of this is available if people want to just look at the community center or
they can even call the community center to get specifics, but it's pretty inexpensive for residents to um drop their kids off. >> You bet. >> Right. Thank you, Lisa. Those are great programs. And I'll be judging the boat parade, Tamara. So, I hope you come up there and sit next to me.
>> I'm joining the boat parade for the first time. So, >> are you good? No special treatment, please on the voting. All right, with that announcements are over. We're going to go into the public hearing. Um, honestly, how does this work again? [laughter]
Do I kick it to you? >> You've been gone for too long. >> I I barely remember the street names. [laughter] >> Yeah, you can kick it to me. So, this is um item 5A. It is a public quasi judicial hearing. Um, Chakaw Engineering
on behalf of Drury Destin LLC is requesting approval of a major development order application to construct a hotel and conference center. The proposed plan includes 320 hotel units, approximately 4,000 square feet of conference space, outdoor pool, parking area, storm water improvements, and associated pedestrian
infrastructure. Um before we hear from staff and the applicant who are here tonight, um a couple of items just for the legal process and the code requirements. First is we're going to enter into the record the city's staff
report and all 22 attachments which are listed as A through V in the staff report. Um does the applicant have any objection? Okay. Um, the other thing is that the code requires that the entire
application and notices be read into the record unless the applicant and the city agree to wave that. Does the applicant have any objection to waving the reading of of those items? >> Okay. Thank you. Then thank you. Then uh with that we will turn it over to planning staff to give you an
introduction and then turn it over to the applicant. >> Okay. As already stated um this is for the Drury Dustin Hotel. This is Shockaw Engineering on behalf of Dury Destin. Um, this will be a 225,615
foot uh um square foot hotel space with 4,000 square ft of uh conference space. Uh this entire project has undergone uh technical review uh as required by comprehensive plan and the land development code and it meets all minimum requirements. Um
Eddie Robinson from Drury and Mark Siner, the project engineer, are both here if there are any questions specifically for the applicant. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> All right. You guys want to >> the applicant wish to speak and make any
presentation? >> Okay. >> All right. With that, >> council, do you have any questions before you open it up for public hearing? >> Okay. Uh, Councilwoman Traml, any questions before the comments? >> No, I can ask my question. >> All right. Thank you. All right. With that, uh, if anyone's here and wishes to
speak on this, this is your time to do so. >> All right. Seeing a couple nos. All right. I'll close the public comments for public hearing a and we'll get into the council. Councilwoman Traml up first. >> Uh, yes. I have a question for the Drury
representative. if you want to come up there so you can answer. >> Not the engineer. The [laughter] other >> just hit that gray button. The light will turn on >> and that way the mic's on. There you go. >> I was looking at what you provided us and I understand they're not complete
drawings. I get that all in. But I did not see an area for dog walking and that's identified on your property. And we are seeing more and more [snorts] animals coming with people, service animals. They can be bunnies or goats.
We had a goat here one time, but but there's no provisions within what I saw on that for them to have an area to have animal relief. I'll put it that way. And I don't want the city to be put in a situation where we're scooping poop.
[laughter] I I don't know that that's part of the civil plans, but um we are currently in for building permit as well. And uh typically that is the requirement that we have a standard that we have for our own hotel. So that will definitely be part of the plan.
>> Okay. And designated area and with the doggy bags. >> Correct. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. That was my question. >> All right. Councilwoman Abear. >> Um so I've I've been to the Drury up in Nashville right there off of I 65. Is it pretty much the same um layout and uh
design as that hotel? Did you go to the one downtown or the >> the one on the interstate? Right off the >> interstate. It's going to be something similar to that. Yep. >> Okay, great. It's >> our our typical prototype right now is seven stories with um
186 rooms. So, this is a little different. Here we are only able to go to six stories and here we felt like we needed more rooms. So, this is six stories, 320 rooms. >> I was going to say it's very nice. I've been to the one at conferences as well
as the one there off of 65. So glad to have you building here in our city and in that area. I think it'll go well. I think there going to it's going to serve a lot of purpose. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um in our discussions with staff today uh a few things that I kind of raised.
Um one a very simple one. Hopefully you guys can accommodate. Uh because I think we never spoke individually, but through staff. Um I was told that we'd have a lot more like the Disney Springs hotel aesthetics. I've heard that that's not
the case now. Um but some of the things that I would like to ask, and it'd be a willing ask because I know you guys have your minimum requirements. uh the trees that you're required if they could be native and not palms that would be a huge help to all of us for the
environment and for aesthetics and for the heat. Um so I don't know if that's something you guys are interested in. U but I would like to see that written into the building uh permit with you guys kind of voluntarily hopping onto that. Um, I don't know if you have any
comments right now or if you'd like to speak to staff more into that, but that's kind of where I'm coming from. >> I I'll have a conversation with with staff and with u our own internal group. But, um, we're definitely, you know, are going to be around for the next 30 40 years. So,
>> we want to be good neighbors and if that's part of being good neighbors, we'll definitely take a good look at that. I I I can assure you I mean I know a lot of people are not in my backyard but I think not having the palm trees would go a long way of letting people know that you're not from out of town.
[laughter] I'll put it that way. Uh the other one was from traffic in 98. Um we got read in that it's going to be a right out but the lefthand turn in is still there. Uh I don't know if that's going to be to you David or to you um about closing the median. We we already
got one median getting closed in unincorporated area. Um and that seems to be a safety and efficiency uh mechanism. So I didn't know one if you guys have anything else further that you could add or what that would look like from traffic uh the ingress and egress
of of the hotel being that that's going to be an uncontrolled intersection. >> Can we hear from the city engineer on that first? So, so currently how how they have it designed is it is a full access. So, they they'll be
able to turn left in and left out. And you know, so there's no restrictions on access currently >> as set forth. Um, I did raise this question with FDOT back in July and they
seem to not they they seem not to want to close that particular median for whatever reason. Um, but I I did inquire about that in July. So, uh, you know, >> Mhm.
>> my my fear of being on the the ground, I know FOT has their manual and they check boxes and we like them. And my my fear for the the guest overall experience is if they're flying into VPS and they don't want to take the toll, they're going to come from Fort Walton, which
means they're going to be going eastbound, which most likely is going to put them GPS going through an un uh uncontrolled intersection that I don't know how long of an intersection queuing you would need to have the two 350 units. I mean, the parking that you guys
are going to have. So my my concern is just the congestion that's already a cluster on 98 right there and just adding insult to injury there. And so I just want to figure out if there's ways that we can be proactive in just making sure that we have a good solution that
doesn't just check a manual but actually works in the real world. So that that's those are my two main points would be the traffic and the trees to add some aliteration. Going back to the city engineer for a minute, you mentioned that you raised the issue with FDOT. So
why did you raise the issue with FDOT? What was your concern? >> So it it's twofold that it's already a bad area. Um I would prefer a ride in ride out type situation. Um
it's it's just a better situation to be able to do that. Um there there's a lot of moving parts there because the property across the way has full rights now. So you would be cutting off their rights, too. Uh but that is something
that I would have preferred. But uh if if FOD is not willing to make that call, I I it's it's their road. So Okay. All right. So any I know I just threw a lot at you from left field. Anything there
before I move on? >> Anything on that? >> Less is more. >> Oh, I was I was just going to mention that there is a secondary access to this property through Porter Lane, which is that new town home development that just got built. >> Yep. >> Which uh you know will allow you to get
back out to Palm >> and that'll be for Golf Shores Drive intersection. Is that over? >> No, coming out the west side. >> Oh, okay. Gotcha. by the hotel just south and then behind the behind the raceway. Yeah. And then come out and then you can get on to Palm and from
there you can go >> through all of the side streets development. I mean >> correct >> I'd cheat my way and go out through Target somehow in some way and get out that way. But maybe someday they'll put a signal at Palm and >> which is actually in FOT's
projects. I believe it's 2027. >> Yeah, it it's it's like everything else though. It's, you know, we'll wait and see, but but that that is a uh you were talking about there is a secondary entrance into the property that will allow people to get in and out.
>> Yeah. And my kind of talking traffic, my my fear is we're already at a level of service F there and I'm not sure if per their manual, it's within it. It's right there on the cusp of the minimum length from one intersection to the next. So,
I'm very hesitant for palms to ever happen. Um, so I just want you guys to be there. I just don't want us to create an additional problem. We do our surveys yearly. Over 70% of the citizens say traffic is our number one issue and
that's from been for decades. So, I want to just find a way that we can smart growth and make sure that we're not adding to the issues that we already know are out there. So, thank you for being here, Councilman Dest. >> Thank you, mayor. Um, is there any any
stacking lane there for that left left turn >> as part of the project? We'll be building that. >> And how many spaces will it be? >> The the the total the total length will meet the DOT requirement. Um, I I don't know off the top of my head. No.
>> Well, we if we have some stacking lanes there, that would help the left turn. And I'm kind of surprised by DOT who have already advocated that we close all openings from the bridge to your area. >> We talked to the wrong people at DOT. It sounds like
>> um so that's that's an issue. I'd like to know how many stacking if we're going to put stacking lanes for that left turn, which we need so people can get in without blocking a lane of 98. We we don't know how how many cars that we could put. >> No, but all this has been submitted and
approved by DOT. We have our DOT access permit. >> Miss Cop, do we have any authority at all over the roads or is are we wasting our time even discussing this since it's DOT road? >> Yeah, I mean it's DO's road, but if the applicant, you know, had agreed then we
might have been able to go back to FDOT, talked with them. >> The uh we need some stacking. Even if it's three or four cars there, it would help a lot. I >> that's why I was asking the city engineer, you know, but he talked to DOT.
>> The [clears throat] stacking lane is is several hundred feet long. So you have I mean you could probably put uh I mean >> when you say stacking >> 20 foot car we can figure it out. >> Oh yeah. I mean you could probably put 10 10 cars easily in there. >> Okay. That's not there now. But you're going to put it in at
>> Yes, we are. Yeah. They they are maximizing the space that's there. It looks to be 165 ft approximately. So, >> well, that's a pretty good stacking lane then. >> I mean, that that's the other the problem is we run into is as they said,
it it's as far as we go before we run into the next left turn lane turning into the south. >> I got you. Well, at least you're putting one in and that's that's >> that's positive. >> Let me talk about the parking. It seems like we're through various credits reduced parking
by 35%. Is that correct? It's >> Well, we have we have two things going on there. One, there's a provision in the code that allows you to get a 20% reduction in parking through your own code. And then the other is is that uh we have meeting space and we have hotel
uh in the same and >> logic would tell you that the majority of the people going to the meetings were going to be people staying at the hotel because that's the whole reason for having the meeting space is is to drive guests to the hotel. That's how we came. Am I am I accurate that we got a 35% reduction between the two?
>> Well, um there was a is that correct? Okay. Yes. 20% from the MMTD and then 15% they calculated the 15% right of internal capture would be >> that comes up to 35 does it not? >> Come on guys. 20 and 15. I can figure
that out. >> Well under 25. That's exactly right. >> Yeah. Okay. And the and the point I make is um without the reductions it was 426
spaces. Now we're down to 333 spaces almost 100 space reduction. So when the hotel is full and it and in the code it requires 17 spaces for employees. We do not even
have one space per room at the hotel and not including whatever activity may be going on on at the convention center. And even if we figure that we say 15% of the participants at the convention center will be hotel residents, even if
we bump it up to 30%. It looks to me like we are still reduced parking to the point that it may not be adequate. So as we go through all these credits, what's the criteria? As long as they apply for it, we just automatically
grant it. Is that how it works? >> Uh yes, sir. Per the code. Um as long as they have an engineered, um shared parking analysis, uh the city manager shall approve it. >> So there's really no discretion if they apply for it, we have to give it to them. >> Yes, sir.
>> David, you're the boss. Is that We don't have any There's no wiggle room. There's nothing that changes. Yeah. So, not the way the code's written currently. We would need to change the code. >> So, you So, you guys have to grant it. Period.
>> Right. Staff, >> I'm sorry. >> So, so staff has to grant it if it's applied for. >> Correct. And uh we have changed it in the code that's being updated. So, >> what's the status on that LDC rewrite?
>> Uh everywhere. So the article two, three, and five are going to the LPA on the 4th. And so you'll be seeing it u at the next council meeting after the 4th. And so we're right now reviewing six and
we finished four and uh so it'll be going it got out of order a little bit because it's longer. And then we're currently staff is reviewing article six and the design manual. So we're making >> we're looking at completion by end of January ready to put it on the
>> So the the total uh the to the completion right now is should be I think the 1st of May. Is that correct? >> Early early May. Early May >> looking forward to it. >> We are too. >> Cman Dustin, you good? >> I got a little more. >> Yep.
>> Um but >> tell me about the variance we gave on the roof. that was staff I guess gave that variance. What's the thought behind that?
>> Um so that it's it's not a variance. It's a waiver um per the code >> that is that a semantic difference. Tell me the difference in a variance and a >> semantically. Yeah. Uh I mean a variance has got to go through the BOA obviously. I know you know this. I'm just stating
this for those who don't. Um the waiver is approvable at the community development director level. Um and that waiver was approved. Um do you know when exact date? >> Yeah, [snorts] >> I read it. So what is a criteria that
allows you to determine that a waiver should be given? >> Um let me pull that up for you real quick. So if the city manager or city manager's designate, community development director determines that a ratio between 512 and 1212 are unduly burdensome on
the applicant for a particular project. The ratio may be waved pursuant to an applicable land development regulations provided however that such decision city manager or designate shall be consistent with the intent of the comprehensive plan and city charter relating to maximum building heights. No waiver of
roof pitch ratio requirement shall be utilized to circumvent or evade the provisions of maximal maximum building heights or other requirement of the comprehensive plan. So basically if the applicant puts the request in for the the the waiver and they show that there
is a a burden uh upon their project um and the manager or designate agrees with that and so long as they're not requesting to exceed the building height as set in the comprehensive plan um it's it'll they can approve it.
>> Define what burden means for me. generally financially um pitched roofs >> financially is that >> generally yes uh because most buildings like this um are generally they already they're already designed for the most part. >> Um and
>> Steve, let's um let's let me just interrupt you for a second because the applicant made the request and the burden's on the applicant here. So let's have the applicant explain to the council why they made the request. >> I I don't want to muddy the water here, but this has already been reviewed and approved. just explain why you made the
request. I want them to understand your reason for submitting the request. We're not asking them to change the response. >> I mean, basically, you have a a building that is a prototype building. The Drury uh you know, basically builds all over the country. So, they already have this design. This is part of their image or
package of what they sell as far as their hotel goes. And they don't have their their basic design does not have a pitched roof. Uh so, we uh asked the staff if this was going to be acceptable. went through the process, they said it wouldn't be a problem and so they signed the and and approved the
uh waiver. >> Yeah. And and I'll thank you. I wanted the council to understand why you asked because you have a prototype and that's not really something staff is qualified to answer. The other part of it is that the overall
policy behind that waiver was for the staff to ensure that the reason for the roof pitch requirement wasn't going to be um kind of annihilated by the request. We're not trying to give anybody extra height. We're not trying to give anybody extra habitable space.
So staff is going to be looking for that. The Drury Hotel was not trying to do any of those things. They were just trying to fit in with their prototype and that is why it was approved by staff >> and I understand that part. Of course the the reason for the policy at all is that Destin would have unique
structures. Otherwise, why would we have a policy? Correct. >> Right. >> And and I understand it to to redesign the building is expensive. I get it. I just uh you know why have those policies if
you're going to give waiverss to them? because you don't really want something unique that's going to be built invested. So, that's another policy issue that we should address. I have one other issue. Oh, uh what was it? Six months ago,
however many months ago, we passed mobility fees. the council set a mobility fee amount and and uh what would the mobility fees be on at our on our under our current
ordinance? What would it be on a project like this? >> I think it was close somewhere around $3 million, but the applicant submitted during a statutory period where we could not yet apply the fees. They came in just under the wire. Actually, had they submitted a couple of months later, they'd be paying
>> millions of dollars. Yeah. >> So, anyone that comes in now will be paying the new mobility fees. >> Yeah. I see their total impact fees including uh park, library, police, transportation, is 395,000,
>> which is why we updated our fees >> 12%. Huh. So, congratulation guys. You made it under the wire. >> And to answer your question, I think it was around $3.6 million >> and 3.9. But, you know, that's have a very chilling effect on things being built in Destin. I would anticipate
that's all the questions I have on the uh the landscape that the mayor just suggested. I know that uh palm trees is what's on the plan. I guess >> that what's on the plan >> and if we substitute
>> I was just assuming I haven't seen the plans. I just know most people just assume palm trees. >> So a question for the applicant. Would the applicant be willing to agree to native trees such as oak trees instead of palms as a voluntary condition that we can put in the DO?
>> We'll go back to talk to staff about that. I don't want to uh say right now that we'll we'll definitely do that. One of the things that's interesting is is that when you start taking your code and start applying it to these sites and you start talking about the sheer number of trees that you have to plant back um
>> 119 >> it's you can imagine it's very hard to plant almost 200 trees on this site and build all the other things that you're going to build. Uh the city has things like uh a reforestation uh requirement which I always think is kind of interesting because
if anybody's seen the pictures of a holiday aisle be it never had any trees on it to begin with yet we still have to do reforestation on it. So um there are certain things in your code if you want to take a look at it that I'm not necessarily saying that landscaping's you know a bad thing by any means but
sometimes the sheer quantities of it gets kind of cumbersome. It's a lot easier to plant a whole bunch of palm trees in a in a close proximity to each other than it is oak trees. And you'll see all over this area here where we and I've
been doing this almost 30 years where I've got projects where we planted oak trees and we're cutting them and cutting them and cutting them because they're either growing into each other or they're growing into power lines or they're growing into something. So you kind of have to take into consideration the viability of the trees in terms of
where to plant them, how many to plant, the distance to plant, all that kind of stuff relative to the type of trees. Does that you you follow what I'm saying there? >> I'm following the I was going to disagree. >> Well, no, no. What I'm saying is I that that what I'm saying is that is if we can't I don't know if we could plant 200
oak trees on this site and and they would realistically that's what that's all I'm trying to say about that. You know, that's that's the challenge that you have. And I get you want a front. You want to be people to be able to see the front. So, I mean, if we could agree for like 80 75% to be native trees. Um,
I'd be okay with you guys figuring out where you need a cluster. And I'm I'm happy to work back and forth. The last thing I want is a giant parking lot with no shade, adding to the heat, adding to just we're we're taking away from nature and bringing in things that aren't necessarily helping it in its place. I
know we're humans. We like to build. That's cool. But I would like us to at least try to work around nature or build it back a little bit where we can. >> I get it. It didn't take me long before I moved here where I realized that palm trees don't necessarily grow. >> They're a grass. So in >> they're an ornamental tree more or less.
Yeah, they >> they're [laughter] Goss is a grass. So that's always interesting. >> One more comment if there >> uh you didn't look at a picture that was old enough. Holiday was in fact covered with trees like it is over by the Coast Guard station. If you've been here long enough,
>> there's there's one there's one in the city where I I it used to be in the city in the hallway that had no trees on it. >> That's not doesn't go back far enough. >> That was humans lighting it up >> and so was so was your lot covered with oak trees. >> Now, the question is if we don't put it into this development order and and I
would remind you that you're saving $3 million on the mobility fee that you don't have to pay. If we put a percentage of natural trees, um would that be dependable? city attorney. >> Yes. I mean, and the applicant is pretty
much saying that they'd agree to put that percentage from what I just heard. When Bobby said 75 to 80%, they didn't object. >> Well, I think what can you do? >> I think normally the our ratio is is a 50 to 50 on uh canopy trees versus understory trees.
>> Um so understory trees would be crepe myrtles, u you know, wax myrtles, you know, stuff like that. And then the or canvy trees would be uh oaks and and magnolia. So I mean if if and we could work something out with staff that I mean we could do the natural trees not a
problem. So if it's 75 85% that's not a problem. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Can we articulate that in the motion to approve? >> Yeah. If you want to make that a condition in the development order for a certain percentage of trees to be canopy trees or or native trees, however you want to word it, just make include that
in your motion to approve the development order. I'll move that we approve the development order with that caveat. >> Do you have a spec specific percentage? >> You're just talking native trees, >> correct? >> Yep. You pick >> 80% native trees. >> What percentage were we kicking around?
>> I think 8020 is always a good 50/50. >> No, come on. You already you squeezed in here on so many levels. You need >> We're coming to you about the linear trail. Your your your trail in the back that we're going to build. I'm coming to you there next. [laughter] >> That'll be a motion. Okay. And I have a
motion. Do I hear a second? All right. I have a second. >> So, just for clarity, the motion is to approve the development order with a condition added that 80% of the trees included will be native trees. >> That's a motion. >> All right. I got two nods. All right. With that, seeing nothing further,
Councilman G. >> I just wanted to kind of explain a little bit of the train of thought up here, especially if you've lived here a while, and you remember where Chick-fil-A used to be. You remember the traffic jam when people were trying to pull in there and the the line would carry off into 98 and 98 was
busy during rush hour. You were blocked down to one lane, people cutting people off, me pulling people out of cars, just stupid stuff happening out there. So that's the train of thought that we're trying to avoid on that lefthand turn. That's what we're trying to say. That's
what we're trying to defend. Um, and if you want to talk about the 100 feet that through that drive-thru all the way around was well more than 100 feet. You know, I don't anticipate you're going to have that many coming in and out on a timely basis like that, but that's the whole purpose of the concern with that
left-hand turn. I just wanted to make sure there was some clarification on that from this end, defending our stance. >> All right. Thank you for that. Uh, Councilman Braden. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, the more I sit here and listen, the more pissed off I get. I should probably just
keep my mouth shut. But, um, we've sitting here and talked about these palm trees for the last 30 minutes, and if we've had an issue about it, why is it not in the ordinance? Why is why is there even a question? You know, they shouldn't even done it, and they're parking. They got a 35% parking. So, if anybody opens their mouth one more time
about we don't have, you know, parking in the city of Dustin, we got a problem. I'm going to try to catch you in a back alley somewhere and put my fist through your mouth cuz we're not doing anything. We're just sitting there and we want to sit here and argue with these guys about the parking. You're getting this huge
reduction, 35% reduction in parking. You only have enough parking for what you have, but we've said it. That's staff's just going by what we've we've put in place. If we don't like it, let's change it. So, we're not sitting here for an hour at night, you know, arguing with these guys that's already met everything that,
you know, we've put in place. I don't get it. I mean, it's on us, not them, not the staff. We allowed the staff to have that waiver, whatever, do what they want to do. So, if we need if we don't like it, we
need to fix it. somebody, the city manager down needs to make a note or something and bring it back to us and let's change it [snorts] so we're not wasting our time and their time sitting there talking about it. >> Yep. >> I would tend to agree with that. The problem is the ordinance at the moment
allow for a 35% or whatever it comes out to reduction and we're not going to be changing it till we get to the land development code rewrite which is months and months away. >> Yep. >> We've been dealing with it for years. >> Yep. >> We've been bitching about parking for the last 12 years. I've been here. >> So, city manager, come up with an idea
with the city attorney for us to expedite at least the parking part where we >> allow the parking to be reduced to the point where they won't even have a parking space for every room. They'll be close to it. But that doesn't count the uh the convention center part. And it's
not your fault. That's what our ordinances say. But we need to figure out some way to change that in a more rapid fashion. >> You're in the middle of a complete overhaul. So, appreciate you hanging in there with us. Uh, Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah, a couple of things. We do have a
tree ordinance and I was trying to figure out because when you pull up, can you pull up the uh landscape plan that was I think uh M
civil and landscape plans because the thing that jumped out at me when I looked at the civil and landscape plans is it looks like we've designed this thing almost to have uh out parcels, three different out
parcels, one behind the building and two in front on either side of the driveway. And it is page I can't tell what page this is. Hang on. Chalk engineering page
two of two for the landscape plan. >> That's that's >> because what you've done is you've built the hotel, you've built the parking lot. Okay, eventually we're going to get here. You built the parking immediately
adjacent to the hotel. You've crammed all the trees in the little islands there. Not all of them. You have, you know, one around the perimeter all the way around the perimeter. Okay. And then you've got these huge
what look to be out parcels uh which I don't would we allow this to be subdivided into out parcels there. City attorney. >> Your question is for staff. >> Sir, this could be subdivided >> somebody.
>> Sir, this could be subdivided into parcels as long as they meet the minimum dimensional requirements and that the existing Drury that they're proposing that that lot by itself would also meet the existing requirements after they split those three parcels.
>> Yeah. And so my question to you is, do we have a plan to do one or more out parcels on this hotel? >> The intent is to look for a tenant to take those spaces. How how that's done, we're still trying to figure out. >> Okay.
>> So, so that I guess >> why we didn't put any of our 119 trees there. Well, >> see, now I'm I'm joining Rodney here because I'm I'm >> when those uh when that additional area is is is developed, then they'll provide
additional trees for those areas. So, so the so so the trees that were provided were for the area that we've currently got developed. And if [clears throat] those if if the remainder of the property has future development, you'll have more trees. This is not the end of the tree issue.
>> No, it's not. And um so I just and I applaud you. You you know you the second uh exit route or whatever. Yes. because
what what we are allowing to be created here and and I and you know the lawyer's going to tell us we got to vote for it because it meets all the codes. Uh but what we're allowed to be created here is the worst intersection and this said by
a guy who lives a half a mile from the worst intersection where we seem to have a rollover accident and have had fatalities uh out in Crystal Beach area. But we're going to allow the construction of the worst intersection in the city of Destur.
When you got people coming out of big kahunas walking across the road, you got cars coming out of big kahunas. And you got 200 cars [snorts] going in and out here. And oh, by the way, we're going to have an Applebee's and a something and a
something else on these other three out parcels. And we're not being smart. I I don't, you know, I I get why you want to put in palm trees because you can't cram that many oak trees in those little islands.
Okay. And that's why I'm looking into trying to find the tree ordinance to see what what the actual requirement is. But I I would say 8020 is being generous on on the native trees because then you're going to have to put them somewhere then cram them in those islands.
>> Okay. which you you haven't done. You've you've like I said, you've put them around the exterior and then on the north part there, that part that's showing right there, you've put them on the west. What is that? 10 trees or something. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 [snorts]
nine. You know, just because we got to figure out where to put 119 trees. This is not this is not how we design things. This is not how we should design things. this is not how we should approve things because then when you go down to the
southern part and you see there's not even any on the side. So there's no screening between Big Kahunas and uh your [snorts] parcel and there's no screening between the Palm Drive over there. There's a there's a screen small
screen between you and 98. Four trees I'm sorry nine trees four on one side and five on the other side. the uh if you look at that turn lane down there, I don't think that that is Go down a little bit. [clears throat] Scroll down
a little bit. >> I'm sorry. >> Scroll down just a little bit more. There you see that turn lane. I don't I can't read the numbers on that, but that is not
uh the stacking lane for 20 cars there. And I understand why because you have the turn lane going over the other way to turn to the south when you're headed on 98 west. The landscaping plan does not meet our
requirement. I mean it might you because we half those trees are not going to live in those little islands there. Go back up to the islands. Okay, that's the South Islands where you have one, two, three, four,
five, six, seven, you know, in the corner islands and one, two, three, four, five in the the little straight islands, you know, how how the heck did we get
here? And that's a staff question. and Dave's nodding. >> Uh, so sir, >> I'm willing to listen, guys. Absolutely. Dave's not. >> So, [laughter] again, just just going off of what the current code says. So, right now, current code says that no
more than 40% of the trees can be um palm trees. If you're going to use sable palms, you have to double up. So, for every one tree, you have to plant two. Um and then on top of that they have to pick from our our tables listed in the LDC of native trees uh specifically for
the street trees for the MMTD. And then for um the they're also providing one per 25 linear feet. They're they're picking from that same um table as well. So what they have provided currently meets
our code sir. If those trees don't survive, how long? According to our code, when do they have to replace them? >> Because they're going to be replacing trees on this thing forever. >> So, I would have to look >> those trees aren't going to live. >> Property maintenance code on that. But,
uh, I would have to look at the property maintenance code on that, sir. But, yes, you are correct. If they die, >> okay, article 12, let me help you out here. I, you know, I'm I'm not going to beat this horse to death, but th this is this is wrong. We've designed a project
to design a project just so we can get three art out parcels. Okay? And I I fortunately for y'all, I'll be termed out next no or this coming November, which is next November. Okay? So, I won't be here when you bring
the plans for these three art out parcels, but I'll probably be sitting and I probably won't be found to have standing by the mayor to get up and complain about the out parcels and how all the trees are dead in this project. But I I'm this is just
upset. >> Councilwoman Traml, >> I was just going to ask Mr. Destin if he would add to his motion to include the dog walking area as being part of this requirement.
U with these questions about the landscaping meeting our ordinance I I'm inclined to withdraw them on >> I was going to ask you to do that >> with the questions that have been arisen about the landscaping and whether it
meets the ordinance or not. >> Maybe somebody has a better motion than I had. Mhm. >> I I was actually going to mention that, you know, you guys said a couple of things. I said, you know, we want to be neighborly. We want to work with you
guys. And then you say as long as you meet the ordinance, then you know, you've got to pass it or not that you have to, but you know, that's and I think that's what you're kind of in talking about right now. So, I think I if you'll let me want to stick back to
I'm going to go back. That's the other part. I don't have the authority here today to tell you I am going to commit to 80%. >> I'd like to go back to what I told you and that is I'm going to work with staff and we're going to try to make you guys happy again. We're going to try to be
good neighbors. >> Uh and we're going to try to go above and beyond what our current requirement is. But that's not something that I can agree to and have the authority to do today. Mhm. That makes sense because I think I think there's a lot more without
having to do a total rework because I know that's not fair. There's there's a lot of time and money in these plans, but as as kind of everyone's already said, these plans are exactly what's wrong with Destin and why the majority of our citizens are trying to see a
change in a different direction because what our code is allowing and what we need, and I hope we're all taking notes for this LDC, is this not to happen because this is exactly what's destroying the community and what's pissing off every resident that votes
and wants to live here for their life. So that's not a shot at you guys. You guys are doing your job. You're meeting you're you're hitting the the requirements. You're hitting the equation, but the equation's not working for Destin. And this is this is just
adding more BS to what we already know is is our issues in Destin. So with that, Rodney, you're up. >> Thank you. Uh this may be for staff. um or you guys may know wasn't there a parking study analysis that tells how
many cars this going to put on the in and out and on the road. >> So, as part of our traffic report, we do we do calculate the um amount of PM peak hour trips it'll generate and how many the the
distribution of how many come in and go out and we provide that in our in our analysis to do. As far as that goes, I don't think it's required for the city. >> Anybody from the city? >> Sir, we we did require um a traffic
analysis. Um I believe that Oh, I'm looking right here. So, their total PM peak trips uh for that property increases to 209 um peak hour trips. uh because that the concurrency for that
area because that part of 98 is already classified as an F. Um it it it affects concurrency. You and I know it affects concurrency, but it doesn't make it any lower. Um so at that point it still is compliant with our code.
>> So if it's required, but it really doesn't matter what it says. Why do why is it required to start with then? Why are we making them spend their money on something that I mean if it said there's going to be a thousand more trips on that road which going to make it that much worse but there's nothing we can do about it. Why we why are we wasting our
time and their time with it? >> Is it just something that's required by the state? >> We we do provide a traffic distribution uh analysis and give that to the city so the city can basically keep track of what traffic you have now and what
traffic is being added. But there's nothing in place that says that you're going to put 500 more trips on the road per day. So you can't do that. You're only allowed 300 or nothing. You I'm just throwing numbers out there. There's nothing that says you're putting too many here. You're not putting enough or
anything else. So I really don't know why. Trying to understand why you have to even do a parking study or analysis. Um and as far as your trees, if half them trees die, I wouldn't worry about it. Nobody's going to do anything about it. We've got development orders all over
this town >> that nobody wants to go look at because they know that there's a whole lot of stuff there that ain't supposed to be there. I mean, we can't even replace our own trees on Airport Road that people are running over and killing. I'm just saying. >> Councilwoman Nebear,
>> I just uh I feel like we are giving these guys a hard time. What we need to be doing is having our staff and our new director over planning get a little bit more um aggressive on getting our LDC finished is not take six more months.
Maybe put on a finer tune of people that can just focus on that because we're we're years behind on getting that finished. We shouldn't drag this out and we shouldn't put these people through this kind of grilling when it's not their fault. They followed what we've got written. So, David, I'm hoping that
after tonight you realize we need to do this faster. We need to do it put a more concise group of people on it and get it done. >> Yes. And uh so the one of the changes is the MMTD is going to be removed. So, the
the more lenient landscaping requirements in the MMTD were going to be removed. So, part of that's already been changed and and you'll see it soon. Uh, also just to clarify, the overall reduction in the parking was 22%. That 15% only applied to the calculation for
the conference center. Uh, and when you do that, it ends up being 22%. That's it. >> With the reduction >> with the reductions, then they're just one space per room and nothing for the
convention center, which shouldn't work out that way. um if we have legitimate concerns about the landscaping whether it meets the ordinance or not and I'm going to withdraw my motion. I'll let somebody else make a motion. >> All right. So, I have a motion withdrew.
I have no one else on the board. Uh if anyone would wish to make a motion or comment. Uh, I'll make a motion to continue to allow the staff to more closely review the landscaping and allow the developer
to come back with their proposed landscaping revised landscaping plan for an increase in uh, native vegetation. >> Can I comment? >> Sure. >> I mean, since we're all here just talking, we're
>> the only ones here, man. We got all nine. Like I said, I've been doing this a long time here, and I've been standing in front of this council, not recently, but in the past for several hours at a time,
and it seems to get like this. And and we're not going to solve the traffic problem. I mean, we've been talking about traffic since the day I got here. >> We could stop development in City of Dest. Just stop it and your traffic will continue to increase on Highway 98.
>> So, we want to add to it, though. I'm not the question you ask is do we want to stagnate the city in attempt to solve one problem that we can't control because of the fact that it just h and this was a and you can go back city council meetings David theory came up
here one time and explained this all to you and and it's and I don't think that the your land development code is going to solve your traffic problem I don't think DOT is going to solve your traffic problem unfortunately it's inherent of the fact that we got one major corridor that goes right through the middle of
the city and that's just the way it is and you can go throughout all the state of Florida and see similar situations like this and Highway 19 down on the east coast. I mean, it's just the way things work. It's unfortunate. I I I just I just it's it's it's frustrating for us to sit here and come to you and
say, "We've been through months of review by your staff. We meet the code for landscaping. Whether you like it or not, I I can't help that. You mean you guys can change?" I sit on the ad hoc committee for Okaloosa County that basically sits there and it's a group of people that basically looks at the land
development code and makes suggestions and changes. It can be done. It can be done quickly. It's all a matter of what you choose. But as far as this project goes, it meets your code today. The whole MMTD and I'll be honest with you, your code is not fun to go as a
consultant. It's not fun to work with. It is very complex. It's cumbersome. It's got things in there that I sometimes can't even understand how it works. And I think sometimes your staff can. And I mean, this staff that you see here, I've been through it only knows
how many iterations of staff that's gone through here and come up with all these ideas of what we're trying to do. MMTD, a good example. We're we're we're at uh at F level service F. Now, we're just arguing what's the degree of F we're at. Like you said, you know, why does it
matter if we even count traffic anymore? It just is what it is. But the property owner spent a lot of money to buy a piece of property in the city of Destin and use your code to to as a guideline to do it by which he's done. So all we would ask tonight is you approve the
project as it is right now. go ahead and change your code however you want and the next time I come before you, I'll have a different uh approach to that project and hopefully it'll be better or whatever you consider, you know, uh a more uh
robust uh whatever uh code that would actually create something that is I don't know what you were trying to say uh that the that the citizens of the city of Destin would would uh you know enjoy better or whatever. ever it is.
But, you know, certain things, you've got a challenge. You've got a serious challenge. I don't know if changing your land development code is going to fix all those problems. But things like landscaping and stuff like that, the parking, I you know, if you'd have said 100% parking in your code, we would have
more parking spaces, but we didn't need to, so we don't. >> So, I mean, that that's not on us. That's like on you, somebody said tonight, it's on you. So, I mean, there's no reason to continue it. I mean staff is I mean we've gone through re you know comments, revisions, comments, revisions and believe me we would love
to be already be under construction right now but we've had to wait to go through this whole entire process and here we are you know before you saying your staff has approved it. We meet your land development code. Simple as that. We're willing to write a check for $300
and something thousand donate a portion of our property that's part of your transportation corridor. you know, uh, master plan that you have in order to build the east west connector behind our property. All those things we said, "Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine. Here we
are. All we're asking for you to do is approve the project that meets your code. And all we're asking for is somebody make a motion of that. Make a second and and then get us started. And if you want to call me, call me anytime. I've been sitting around this I' I've watched every iteration of this code. City of
Fort Walton Beach, Oak County, you name it. anything from Pensacola, Panama City, I'll be glad to share my two cents of 30 years experience doing land development in this in this community. >> Yeah, I hear you. Councilman Bagby,
>> question for the staff. What's the buffer uh between commercial and residential and commercial and public? Landscape buffer by our code.
Let me look that up right now, sir. [clears throat] And David, while they're looking for that, what is the property to the Oops. Pull up Google Maps.
What is the Olympus zoned as? We're bringing up the map zoning map now. >> Okay. >> If you go to >> because you got land, you got >> if you go to the site plan, it'll it says what the zoning future land use and
use of all the adjacent properties are. That's uh should be like page four >> because the court grass uh is residential I believe over there. Town Center Mixed Use is the zoning
district. >> It's all It's all the same zoning. It's all Town Center mixed use over there. >> Oh, Twin Lakes. >> Twin Twin Lakes would be behind us. >> Twin Lakes is behind you on the northwest corn. >> Access through airport.
>> Um I think we have the I think the whole airport 98 is MTSU I believe. I think that's residential up there. >> I don't even know if we is is the Gulf
Power easement owned by Gulf Power. I don't So I don't think we bought Twin Lakes of the River. >> Okay. >> Must because we have to go get their approval to put a walking path through. >> You have to ask Golf Power or I should
say Florida. Golf power for plow and light. No, we got to go ask that neighborhood. >> Even if you own the property, you'd still have to go ask them. >> You don't own an >> Yeah, >> you ride away, not
[snorts] Now, now you see the uh complexity of trying to work through the city code. >> Oh, yeah. We >> Yeah. >> ideally it would be a nice clean where qualified people want to come and build because it's easy, quick, and efficient, and it produces on your sheet something
that we're all happy with, but that's not the case currently. >> It's it's more the formatting than it is the substance. >> Yeah. And now you may have have some substance issues with it, but I have formatting issues with it. As a person who uses it as a tool to do work in the city, it's sometimes very cumbersome to
get through the actual document itself. >> Yeah, I'll shoot you the chapters as they come to us. [snorts] >> Sure. >> You're not going to like this, but in the in the MMTD there is no buffer requirement, but we're very we're double-checking that answer. Well, we see in the code where it says
that. Well, in chapter, what was it? Not chapter eight, chapter 12. >> This is the tricky part about your code is you have >> article 12. >> You have overlay districts. You have districts that are in different zones and everything. And what happens is you
go to one section that says this is landscaping. Then you got to jump over to the other section that says, well, this is my zoning that basically says, well, these things aren't required or you get a reduction or something like that. So you literally have to jump all over the place to just get to one answer
or a number. Yes. And and it it it gets like I said cumbersome. >> Yeah. >> For about >> and in defense of that the reason rationale behind all that was that you would give certain incentives to certain areas to do certain things to make it
look a certain way. >> And so you've got your different category. I mean, you've got more zoning categories, I think, in just the city of Dustin than Okaloosa County does. >> Yeah. Seven square miles. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a substitute motion if I could, so we can move on with this evening. Is that possible?
>> Yeah. Jump in if you're doing a motion. >> Or do we do we need to wait for an answer or what do we need to do? >> There's no motion. >> There's no motion on the table. >> Oh, you clear it off? >> Yeah. He withdrew. >> Withdrew. >> Oh, >> Jim, you didn't make one. >> No. Go ahead. >> I move that city council approve the Jury Plaza Hotel, a major doo as
presented. I'll second. >> All right, Jimmy, you want to wait for your questions? >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we've confirmed there's no buffer requirement in MMTD. >> How can you have no buffer requirement even between a commercial and a
residential? I I don't know what the rationale for what y'all's or not y'all's whoever's vision it was when they created the MTD, but I think they were try if to me looking at it looks like they were trying to make a more urban type of a development
area um with mixed use, but that's that's speculation on my part. >> All right, Kevin, got anything else on the All right. Anything else further, Jim? >> All right. All right. I got a motion on the table. One comment, mayor, >> please. >> One comment
>> button. [laughter] >> I tend to agree with the developer >> that they have >> they have met the code on the parking on the traffic. The only thing that I question is the landscaping and that's the only thing that's in
in play right now. And this gentleman says he doesn't have the authority to to say that he can do the 2080. >> I do not. But like I said earlier, and if you agree to pass the ordinance today, I mean, I don't know. I can't shake your hand. We're going to be good
neighbors. We're going to be here for the next 30, 40 years, I will tell you, promise you that I will go back to my group and we will make an enhancement on the landscape. And I'm I'm not going to sit here and commit to a certain
percentage. Yeah. But I will tell you and again promise you that I will do that and come back to you with some sort of enhancement to what is out now. >> Okay. I I I'll just make a statement. I've been doing this a long time and I've been involved with projects like this and I've done them. I've done
projects from a mom and pop little, you know, restaurant or whatever you want to call it to a big commercial development almost to a tea. Every single big commercial development that's done by a name, brand, organization does an amazing job in their landscaping above and beyond what your code requires. What
you saw on those drawings is what's required by your code. It looks very amateur-ish stick figure, whatever you want to call it. I drew that. Our company drew that. It meets the minimum requirements for your code. I've seen the landscape I've talked to the landscape architect for this project.
what they're going to do compared to what my plans show is going to be drastically better. You're going to get a lot more bang for your buck on this and it'll be a a project you'll be proud of. >> Can you have an answer on that question by the December 16th meeting?
>> I'd rather not wait. I'd rather you uh agree that I'm going to come back uh and make an enhancement to what is currently there. >> Well, then we could approve contingent upon you coming back with the right answer. >> [laughter] >> That's not fair to me.
>> Well, it's it's not fair, but it's fairer than just it not passing it tonight. >> Yeah, >> because I'm pretty good at counting and it's not looking absolutely and I'd rather not see them turned down completely. >> I I don't think it'll be a problem. >> It's a big corporation. I can't see this
two weeks from now. >> Go ahead. I I I I to be honest, I don't think it's going to be a problem to meet the requirement because of the fact that the type of of vegetation that's that's available as native species should not
be a problem to meet on this project. >> Well, if we all think it's not a problem, then >> we we've all taken a lot of time here and if you let me make one phone call, I can give you an answer right now. >> I'm sorry. >> Give him five minutes >> and I'll give you an answer. That sounds
fair to me. All right, >> call a break, mayor. All right, five minutes. Are you ready or are you ready? All right. All right. I'm going to reconvene this meeting. And up first, I got Councilman Bagby on the floor.
>> The answer. I still have a question, but >> Okay. >> Are we going to haggle? >> I'm not [laughter] button button. >> Two issues. uh you come and you tell me I've seen I've
talked to the landscape architect. You're going to be amazed at what's going to be put out there. I'm not voting on something that's going to amaze me. And quite honestly, I'm a little upset that you're asking me to vote for a plan which is not the plan
you say is going to be out there that's going to be amazed. Your little I think the words were my little stick drawing or whatever. I just drew that to meet the code requirements. Thank you for for doing that. But what we're supposed to
be voting on is what is actually going to get built and that is not what you just >> conveyed to I got this council. >> So So just so this is I think it was is
this project meets the minimum requirements of your code. Plain and simple as that. What I'm trying to tell you is the fact that you're going to get more than that when we're all said and done. And there's nothing that says we can't do that. I have projects where if you go out to them, you can pull a tape every 25 ft in
between every single oak tree that goes down the street and they're perfectly placed. I would not recommend somebody do that, but that's your code and that's the way people interpret it. They look at it as that's not the intent. The intent is the quantity is derived from the number of 20 every 25 feet per
whatever you know that that's how you figure out how the number you can place them wherever you want. So landscaping is something that's more artistic than it is quantitative or engineering. So what you see tonight is what needs to be presented to you in order to meet your code. When we actually build the
project, we can put that in plus whatever we want on top of that and that's what you're going to get. So, as far as the approval process goes, what you're going to approve tonight meets your code. What I you'll see when it's all said and done will be above and beyond the code, which there's no
problem with doing that. >> Why can't we see what's going to get put in? >> Because at this point in time, we haven't gone to the effort of having the landscape architect design the whole entire thing because of the fact that we're trying to get this project approved to see if it'll even go forward. If you approve it tonight, then
we'll have the ar landscape architects do their thing and finish the project. It happens all the time. This is standard practice. >> To to me, this actually supports Mr. Destin's motion of saying, "Okay, bring us the landscape plan. We'll approve it
subject to you bringing us what you plan on actually putting in." >> And there's nothing in your code that says we have to do that. >> But you've already conveyed to this council [clears throat] that you're not going to put in what is in the plan.
>> No, I did not say that. I said, you said we will put that in at a minimum and there will be more added to it. >> No, you said your little stick drawing is not >> No, no. I I You'll go back and watch the tape, but I I know exactly what you said. >> I am telling you that what we have shown
you is the minimum number of trees that's required in order to meet your code. >> Yeah. >> We will supplement that with other landscaping around that. Okay. >> All right. I have nothing else. >> No, he he owes us an answer. >> Oh, yes. From the phone.
>> Did they tell you anything? >> Can you tell me what your motion will be to get an approval today? >> I think we made it. >> Can I Can I hear it, please? >> Was approve as presented. That's That's the motion currently. >> The motion that I would approve. >> Yes.
>> Kim, what is [snorts] that? Your motion was to approve the development order with the condition that at least 80% of the landscaping was native >> and then then you withdrew it. >> Now the question is is that going to get
corporate approval? >> Can can you tell me what motion you are would put forth today that would get an approval today? >> I will make that as a substitute motion to the motion currently on the floor. All right. So, I have a substitute to
put the 8020 back in. Do I have a second? >> I'll second that. >> All right. I have a second by Councilman Bag. >> So, there you go. There you have it. So, now I'll I'll agree to that and go ahead and put the dog park in it. >> Oh, nice. >> All right. I have a substitute motion. >> We beat each other through the face, but
>> All right. Well, now for clarity, just just for clarity so that both the applicant and the city council are on the same page, what I am understanding is that there would be a motion for approval with two conditions. One would be for the dog park to be included and one would be for the 80% native trees
>> and dog park might be the wrong word. It'll be a relief area as you want to call it. >> So, it's they're not using the rightway is the go. [laughter] Yeah. Any >> that'll be,000 square foot dog. That's what we will approve. >> Yes. >> Yes. So that's the substitute motion has
those two um contingencies. Yeah. >> All right. That's motion. I have nothing else on the board. Let's take the vote. [snorts] >> I don't know. >> I have a chance to vote. >> Put it up there right so you can see it. >> [laughter]
>> There you go. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, Miss Cop >> 5B, thanks for being here. >> Is it >> all right? Oh, she's up there. Okay. Just making sure staff knew that we had
to add some language to the DO. Okay. So, this is ordinance number 2517 LC and ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, relating to platting requiring administrative review, processing and approval of plats pursuant to chapter
177 Florida statutes providing for findings of fact providing for severability and providing for an effective date. This is second reading and there have been no changes since first reading. >> All right. Thank you for that. With that, at this time, if anyone wishes to speak on this public comment on this
public topic, this is your time to do so. Seeing none, we will close the comments for ordinance 2517 LC. And I'll entertain a motion. Miss uh Councilwoman Traml. >> Mayor, I'll move that the city council adopt proposed ordinance 25-17-LC
on second reading. >> Second. >> I got a second by Councilwoman Abear. Uh, any further discussions? >> Seeing none, >> I got an alter. No, I don't. >> I'm going to substitute motion. [laughter] >> All right. Uh, I'll call the vote.
[laughter] >> All right. So moved. >> Take it away, Miss Cop. >> Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance number 2523 LC, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, deleting article 1, general provisions legal, of the land development code to remove and replace the existing article 1 in its entirety,
providing for title, jurisdiction, and intent containing regulations related to vested rights code compliance and enforcement, providing for authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for incorporation into the land development code, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an
effective date. This is um second reading and there have been no changes since first reading. >> All right. Thank you for that. Seeing that this is a public hearing at this time, if anyone wishes to speak on this specific topic, this is your time to do so. >> Seeing none, closing the comments. Entertain a motion. >> Mayor, I'll make that motion. I move
that the city council approve ordinance 25-23-LC as presented. >> All right. Thank. Got a motion in a second. Seeing no further discussion, we'll call the vote. All right, eyes have it so moved. 70. Passes unanimously. Moving on. Councilman Braden.
>> Uh, good to have you back, Mayor. Hope you had fun. Doing a great job. Let's keep it rolling. >> Thank you, sir. Let's keep it jamming. All right, Councilwoman Traml. >> Uh, yes. I just have a couple things tonight. Um, one, I brought up the dog walking area for this particular hotel. I think we
need to look at all of our hotels. We have a certain percentage of green space in everything that's been built so far in Destin. And I think they need to designate a pet walking area with the whatever pet bags or whatever you call those um for their customers as well as
ours. Uh I have a business that backs up to a hotel and I can tell you they have stolen the signs. They've bent the signs we've mounted on the wall and I'm still scooping poop and it's not from my business because there are no animals there. So, um I think it's important
that we look at this now because a lot of these hotels, especially along Old 98, there were built before they even allowed dogs in hotel rooms or or cats or whatever they are, service animals. So, I think we need to look for an ordinance. I would like to make a motion
that we look at an ordinance requiring some form of pet walking area being designated at each one of our hotels or motel or whatever we call those um for that. >> Yep. All right. I have a motion. [laughter]
>> Thank you. >> Very enthusiastic. Second. Uh any further discussion? >> Mine's a horse. Are we going to do a stable and round pinned also? >> Well, we we've had a goat. You know, we've had a goat as a as a service animal. Horses can be service animals.
If they can stay at that hotel, >> then that hotel needs to provide a place for them. >> All right, with that, we'll call the vote. >> I'm glad you're getting help, Tori. >> I'm just happy. >> Okay. 70. So, move. Anything else?
>> Uh, the only other thing I uh this gentleman that was up here, I do not remember his name. The engineer. Oh, I thought you were talking about Eric. >> No, for the Drury. >> Who says who says he's been on advisory councils for other uh LDC's Mark >> in other areas. Mark,
>> I think maybe we it might be worth giving him a call and having him look at what they're going to present to us. >> Yeah, >> that's just a suggestion, not a motion. Uh, I also have um I've had some complaints uh actually some requests,
not complaints, that uh the trees on Mountain Drive be trimmed. Um, and I think I I've spoken to Michael Burgess about that. Uh, we did promise the property owners on Mountain Drive when we redid that that the city would take
care of the right ofways. So, >> just to piggy back off that, if we can kind of do like a weekly sweep, um the uh kind of from pets and Taco Bell and every other all the other things out there, uh that 10-ft sidewalk is getting
used more and more. Yay. But with usage comes litter and other things. So, I don't know if there's already a a schedule in place, but just kind of throwing that out there to piggy back off the trees. So, Councilman Dustin, >> thank you, Mayor. I just have one question. The gentleman that asked us
about Pine Street, I believe it is. What's the status of that city manager, that's in front of community development? >> Is it coming back to us? What is I >> I'm not certain. Um, Michael or Robert, we know we can find
out. >> Repeat the question. I'm not sure I understand. gentleman during public testimony asked about Pine Street an extension and what's the status and where is that going and what's happening with that >> be under the new mobility plan
>> what I can add is very limited uh that what that project was included in the mobility plan >> right >> um I'm not aware of any capital improvement project that we have even begun to initiate to make that happen I don't
>> and that's what I thought the status was and the mobility plan would have to come back to us for final action anyway. Correct. >> Correct. As would any kind of construction contract or anything else related. >> Right. Okay. That's the only question I have. Thank you, mayor. >> All right. Thank you. Uh Council Bagley.
>> Yeah, that was one of my three. It's not in the plan for five years. So, we know nothing's going to happen before then. Uh we haven't even approved the mo finally approved the mobility plan. So,
uh, but yes, it is one of the 35 or 40 options, uh, that may get looked at in the next 15 years. Uh, I'll make, if I need to make a motion, I don't think I do, but I think we should ask our TDC rep, Councilman Schmidt, to uh, see if
the TDC is willing to help us fund improvements to the seaw wall. uh because we made the motion on John and uh Guy, but the other thing I think we can kill tonight or not kill tonight, address tonight is the uh seaw wall
funding by the TDC. >> Kevin, can you at your next I don't even know when y'all if y'all are meeting before the end of tomorrow. Okay. >> Could you ask them if they're inclined to do that? >> Yeah, I'd be happy to. Um, were those not the items that we're talking about
in January or is it just >> No, the items I think we're talking about in January actually require our funding or the CRA's funding or the, you know, that's just a see if the TDC would help us spend money, you know, would be
willing to spend some of its money to help us improve the SEO. At least that was the ask that the way I read it. Okay. >> I should note there was further conversation about that item coming to us. Okay, >> sounds good. >> Okay. And then uh I'm going to add make a motion that the uh chapter 8 in the
land development code be moved up in the queue uh to the first or second meeting in January. That is the the mac daddy uh that would have prevented the hour-long
discussion tonight on multimodal districts and all this and why we're giving away parking spots and everything else. So, I I'll make a motion that that be moved up >> in the schedule. >> Right. Have a motion and second. Any further discussions? Seeing none, take
the vote. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a custom vote. David, you want to jump in while they're >> Yeah. Well, so and what is in eight will now be in article six. And so that is the thing we're working on currently. >> Okay. >> Awesome.
>> So I want you to bring article six in January. >> Got it. Okay. Okay. >> All right. With that, there we go. Yep. >> And >> I'm sorry. And finally, uh, >> Tori.
>> No, Tori. >> Oh, he's hovering. >> He'sing around. >> All right. I just have it so moved. >> Oops. And finally, I I'll apologize because I fully expected to come in and just vote for that previous item and move on because I know that they did
meet the land development code. They met technically all the requirements, but as we go through the land development code, that's the thing that's most important that we have to look for is not well
does when we rewrite it, do we are we going to get what we want? Is are we going to get what we don't want? Mhm. >> Because you're going to have three out parcels and I guarantee you every one of those will come before us and two of
them will be restaurants and they will say, "Oh, the parking it's it, you know, we're just going to cater primarily to the people in the hotel so we don't have to have but you know 20 parking spots and it's and that's how we got into this
screwed up condition that we are in today was by the law unintended consequences and the people I'm tired of it. I've been tired of it for a long time. But that's that's why each of us has to read the land
development code and think to ourselves, how could some developer take this to the nth degree and build a monstrosity out there that will just continue to upset or cause traffic problems or do
all these other things. And so hopefully in January we we will address chapter 6. Thank you. >> Right. Councilwoman Abe >> Jim said it all. Thanks. >> Yep. I'm in the same boat. Council McG. >> I have something small.
>> Yeah. >> Short. However you want to characterize it. I respectfully request the council to allow me to speak with Chief Sasser at the fire control district to discuss potential improvement for life safety
measures at residential homes to include include short-term rentals and then come back to the council if there are productive suggestions for council to consider. All right, >> is there a motion? I'll second it. >> Yep. >> Yep.
>> All right. >> Got multiple seconds. Tory figure that out. >> I second it. >> All right. Any further discussion on that? >> Nope. >> All right. Seeing none, Tori wants to be on fire. >> He is on fire. >> I'm the fireman. >> You are the
>> That's my name. >> All right. 70. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Hey, mayor. >> She said he just wants to be on the calendar. >> On the calendar. >> Yeah. All right. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. May I? >> Yeah, please. Um, I was going to make a comment with u what Jim was talking
about with the parking stuff. When are we going to stop allowing a engineer or whoever to pencil whip a parking study and say that now all of a sudden we have enough parking? We've added whatever
that requires 100 people or 200 people, but somebody's pencil whipped it and said they don't need to have that anymore. >> That's why we need chapter six. >> Is that is that going to eliminate that in chapter six? If we remember to bring it up, >> if we require it to have 100 parking places for your business, we should not
allow Joe Blow, whoever it is, to say, "Well, I say they have enough because so much in captioning internal and this, that, and other, all this BS, and now they got enough." >> Yeah. >> So, hope we're doing away with that. Thank you. >> Yep. Agreed. Councelor Schmidt.
>> Uh, thank you. [clears throat] Uh, I first wanted to send some thank yous to Parks and Wreck and to Michael and his team for the Christmas decorations. Some of them have been turned on and and people were telling me thank you for doing that. So, I wanted to pass that
along to all the people that were doing that. Uh, the median maintenance contracts, we we renewed that tonight in the um in the consent agenda. Not sure. Uh, that was their first year and we renewed it. Uh I just will highlight a
few things. Uh they do have part of their general maintenance is [snorts] as they are out there every single week or you know their schedule general cleanup is part of it. >> So the expectation should it should be on them to be cleaning up those mountain
on the city staff. >> Okay. >> Anywhere. >> Oh great point. Um, as well as to Councilwoman Traml's point, the trimming of the trees on Mountain Drive that it's specifically in the contract. So, if they are not doing it, I would expect
staff to be enforcing the the contract. With that said though, um I do want to we've talked about it casually at times about the medians. Um, but I'd like to before next budget to have maybe the
town center CRA or public works and safety consider a plan for airport road maintenance medians, main street medians and and mountain drive um, rightways to bring to
us for landscaping improvements because I think it's beyond time. you know, like this contract, these people go out there and they're weed whacking dirt on half of our medians, you know, and we have the Hawthorne bushes that are just god awful and creates so many um weeds. So,
um first I guess I would ask, is there a certain committee, Miss Tramble, that you would recommend sending that to? Public works. They have money to use. I think it's going to be our budget, so hopefully we'll have the money. But do you have an idea before I put a motion
out there? >> Well, I would say um public works in conjunction with the harbor and the town center. Both of them can meet at the same time. They can both talk about the same subject. They can both put their input into it. I don't think
[clears throat] >> the harbor is the mountain drive one. >> Yeah, probably. >> Harbor would be Mountain Drive. Airport would be town center. So in th in those particular issues, both of them need to have input into them because >> both the CRAAS are actually trying to do
the planning for what they want to see there. >> No, it's perfect. So [laughter] I just like go ahead and make a motion then to uh have Larry and staff get with the town center CRA and the harbor CRA. Um >> I'm just going to leave them out of it for now. Just let's let's do the two
CRAAS. you know, like you just said, as their babies, um, and have them start planning a work project for maintenance improvements for next calendar's budget cycle. >> Okay, so they would be creating a work
plan. [clears throat] >> That's >> I probably shouldn't have said the work project, but it's going to take planning, right? It's we just talked about for an hour about freaking palm trees and oak trees. So, we're going to need a landscaper architect to give us a plan, not just [clears throat] >> our maintenance guy. So,
>> yeah, I I I get that. But for the town center verbiage, creating a work plan will then delineate how they're going to go down through that and how they're going to investigate that and what kind of research they're >> I just want the committees just to figure out how to make the medians better before it comes to us. Whatever
is the easiest way possible. So, motion >> to make that happen. and bring it back next year to be able to be on our time schedule for the budget. >> Right. Motion. Are you the second? >> Second. >> All right. Uh, Councilman Bagby discussion. >> Yeah. No, I agree 100%. And this is one
of the things that's been very frustrating probably for even more so for Sandy. We've gotten away from the work plans. The work plans feed into were designed to feed into the budget. So, the harbor should be bringing us their work plan by the end of the year.
And when we start in February with our strategic plan, that should be one of the items that's on the agenda is, hey, we want you to put in 200, 400, whatever their estimate or cost is uh to the
budget to improve the landscaping in the harbor in the median. And the same thing with airport in Main Street. It it >> you're adding that to Kevin's comment, right? >> Yeah. I mean, I agree 100% with what Kevin's saying. I'm just saying we we've
gotten away from the process of when's the last time we actually, you know, no offense to the sheriff and the fire district and the school district and everybody else that comes and presents during our strategic plan, but y'all are valued partners. Y'all in the chamber and everything, but really that
strategic plan is more about what we're going to design in the budget. and we ought to be hearing from the committee saying, "Here's the 10 things that we, you know, on our work plan that we would like to see you guys put in the budget this year." Okay, thank you very much. I think some of
that's good. Some of that may have to wait a couple of years. So, if we can get them to bring us that information at the strategic planning meeting and at the first budget meeting, you know, dogs and cats will be sleeping together.
[laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. My so we're going to have to vote on it. My one my one very quick two cents is can't wait to see it and I think there's a way to to design it to where the cost goes down to your point of weeding dirt for no reason because
it's in the contract the bushes the trees everything comes in to where there's less to do other than the byian annual spray and kind of the the control of it. So I think it can be a cost savings even after doing it all. So I'm I'm very much excited for this. So with
that mayor call the vote. Yes, >> Mayor, if I if I may interject something here, sheriff's office, >> uh, can you please in that motion or at least with the with the committees, uh, allow us to attend the meeting if y'all are redesigning medians? The design
inside of medians plays a large part in, uh, the effectiveness of law enforcement to in mainly on speed enforcement. If you design a median that my guys can't turn around in to go catch someone that's speeding or and and a driver realizes that that's the case, they're
going to increase their speed in that area. So, I would like for um for one of my CRDs to be able to attend those meetings to to put some input into the >> I see no issue with that at all. There will be no redesigning of the physical turnings. It's just inside the medians
landscaping, but please sure. Come on. >> All right. All right. >> Okay. >> Put that. We'll take the vote. [snorts] >> Oh man. [laughter] >> We're almost done. >> I'll vote.
>> All right. So, I just from all the discussion tonight, for what it's worth, because I know it's late and maybe it doesn't matter, but uh I guess I'm going on five years now and some of us as well. And I've learned a lot over those
five years through two to three different city managers now, counting interim and things like that. Uh and staff members and directors and all. I mean, we have great staff members, right? But too often up here, we're too
casual with what we're wanting to be done and and and needing to be done. I I believe some of us, my myself included, and I've had people tell me this before, of if you want something specifically to
happen, you must make a motion to get the support of counsel to tell Larry to go do it. Not just I hope you're you're listening down there. I'm not throwing you under the table, but that you know, maybe he wasn't
listening. Maybe his mind was on something else. But I just would encourage all of us, you know, especially as the new year is approaching. I'm excited about the visioning session because I I agree, Jim, that I hope it's going to be the best one we've had in a long time
because it needs to be because the past few years I think we're still playing catchup on a lot of things still. Um, you know, and I think it's very important that our communication if if like you did with the LDC tonight,
we could have done that a year ago, two years ago. So if somebody really wanted that one specific thing done on the LDC, they'd have it at the next meeting if we told them to. And so I just, you know, encourage all of us to keep that in mind where if if we want something to be
done, >> bring it tell them to bring it to us in emotion. And a lot of times it gets shot down by some of our friends up here, but >> but but that's that's what we got to do. I mean, you know, we all have different goals and and >> it needs to be brought up here. and and
and put it in a motion direct form. If you want a change to happen, let's do it. Like, let's make it happen. He wants short-term rental ideas for inspections. Like, that's a great idea. There's communities all across the country in tourism areas that require a lot more
short-term rental uh policies than we have in place. That will only make our town better, I think. So, I'm looking forward to whatever he's about to do. So, bring it is all I'll say. and forever. Whoever's not going to be here at the next meeting, uh I don't
know, maybe I will be. Who knows? Merry Christmas, happy new year. Actually, that Tuesday is my son's band concert, and he's first time in band. He's in fifth grade, so I won't be here on the 16th. I'll be at my son's band concert. So, merry Christmas and a happy new year. >> And and I want to just say a word to
what you just said. >> The clearer direction you give us, the more successful we're going to be in delivering back to you. So, thank you. Uh, council member, that's that's important from a staff perspect perspective because I can assure you when we understand clearly what it is
you want us to bring back, we're going to give it all we have to bring it back to you in a timely manner. So, thank you for that. >> Thanks. >> That motivated me. I make a motion we have German chocolate cake December 16th back in the conference room. >> I'll second that. >> Any discussions?
[laughter] >> No, he's kidding. He's kidding. [laughter] I'm He's withdrawing his motion. >> I withdrew. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Glad to be back. Thank you, uh, Councilman Dustin, for stepping in. You did great. I loved watching. Glad >> you're back.
>> I You know what? You handled some of those. You were there at the right time at the right place. So, thank you for for being you and having all the the wisdom that you provide. Uh, that's all I have. Just thank you for everyone hanging in there. And I'm glad the city hasn't burned down. And Miss Cop,
>> I don't have anything other than I just want to check. Do we have a quorum for December 16th? I know Kevin said he can't go. I thought Jim said he might not be there. >> Probably. Uh, if I am here, I'll be very late. >> So, you might not be here. So, we Okay. So, I just want to count. Is there anyone else that might not be here on
the 16th or that won't be here? >> How many do you need? Four for four? Then I'll make it just the other four. [laughter] >> All right. I'll I'll call you. It sounds like you're going to be here, but if anyone makes any plans due the holidays and stuff, if you could just let Larry
know so we can play. >> What is Monday night? What are we doing that we can't do this? >> Monday is the state delegation meeting. >> Where at? >> Shallomar. >> 5:30. >> Not here. >> Yeah. >> Can you send that information back to us again? >> Yes, ma'am. Be glad to.
>> All right. Uh, public comments. >> I I have one thing there. >> Yep. Uh, and >> no, it's not because actually I I forgot I meant to put this down. Uh, in our delegation meeting, uh, we have our priority list. Do we is the mayor or do
who is did we, again, going to Kevin's point, did we designate somebody and do we know exactly what they're going to say and what they're going to ask our, you know, Trumbull and my >> Yeah, good point. four because no offense the last time it
>> Oh, you didn't like my pitch? >> It was entertaining, but it >> are they [laughter] I mean my thought is all right, they're going to hear from everyone. The groundwork is before, after, and during this is kind of the show pony. Here's my pony. >> So, you know, got to stand out a little
bit. Come on, you got [laughter] >> We We have not planned that out yet, sir. >> Okay. I I don't even care if it's city manager, but we need to have a plan because we do have some serious needs that we need state funding. >> And on that point, it's going to be my wife's 30th. So, I would like to stay married to her. So, I will not be there.
>> I'll be more than I will be at that and I'll be more than happy to represent force. >> She's camp. >> Yeah. >> Do we are you going to be at the meeting? >> Uh meeting. Yes. for that Wendy if you want to go.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I I will >> he's going to let me take that for him. >> All right. I will and really I'm not sure. We have a list of four or five. I'm trying to remember. >> Four. >> Four. You know, I would highlight the top two
and then just mention three and four because you get two minutes per and I don't want us not making our case on our top two items. >> I think we can put together a script beforehand together and that way more than happy to sit down. >> There's no surprises and we're prepared.
>> Okay. So, in the spirit of Kevin, I'll make a motion that we designate Miss Abear to represent the city of Dest at the delegation meeting on the 15th. >> And I will second that. >> Right. Got a motion to second. Not seeing any further.
>> No, you can go. I'm speaking. I'll be >> Yeah. Yeah. By all mean, more the marrier. >> Please do. >> Yep. All right. With that, I'll call the vote. Councilwoman Aber to represent us at the delegation. >> Sandy, you need to be there.
>> Yeah, [laughter] >> it's a side ask. >> As a citizen, >> yeah, >> Rodney, did you get switched off? They went to sleep. >> All right, there we go.
>> Eyes have it. So moved. >> Uh, anything else? No. >> All right. Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. Yes. One just announcement. I just wanted >> God, I'm trying to make it 9:00. >> Okay. We we'll just real quick um short-term registration for condos. Just wanted to let you know that to date we
have collected $15,000. So we've got uh 8 um 44 that have registered and paid. We have that many in the queue to pay. And keep in mind those are only paying 1/4 of a year. So you can extrapolate that
out times four. So we'd be making you know 800,000 bucks on those that have registered and moved forward. So we our staff is doing a great job of getting those rounded up and making some progress there. So just want to give you an update on that.
That doesn't mean we need to spend that money right away, does it? >> No, that money. >> That [laughter] money is to fund the registration program that you have set up. >> The fire guy. All right. >> All right. Real quick, try make sure you
get to your 9:00 John Stewings 425 Union Trail. Um, sounds like parking was a big topic tonight. Um, I know Mr. Braden talked about the parking parking studies and how they're bad. Shared parking is bad also. So, I hope you guys are going to be talking about shared parking too down the line. That's all I got. Thank you.
>> Thank you for being here. >> All right. >> Hey, you as long as you want you want to endure all that. >> No, you guys have been here long. >> No, we appreciate you being here. >> We don't want whatever it was you were talking about county commissioners. I've learned
>> just push that button real quick. >> Which one? >> Uh, the gray one. one. >> There you go. >> I learned from uh Councilman Dustin that you guys have not voted, which is good. >> And we will. >> Great. That'd be awesome. Um we they
opened Stallman just before I moved in to I lived in the greenhouse right there in Ridgewood Manor. And um we we had to move because I had two young kids and we had to we had to deal with the traffic and we we were able to get the speed
bumps put in there which caused a lot of problems initially because people weren't knowing about the speed bumps and created a few problems but now that people have learned them you know still a three-way street and um I I get it's going to be there but um we'd like to
keep the nine kids wait a minute seven sorry seven kids in in our neighborhood. Keep them. We try to keep them in the yards, >> but they go out in the street. And I do not want another incident or problem with those kids themselves. And to make
it into a culde-sac, very simple. Make it very easy. Now, nobody will get lost going to Pine Street because Pine Street will be on the um >> west side and Yep. And my street would be blue mile. We had a 100% approval with three houses.
>> Y [laughter] >> great line. >> Which I said that to you as well. >> Y >> and um you know the idea to spend $700,000 for that portion of that strip. You're going to have to rip out the trees. You're going to have to do all the work. >> There's I mean it's going to be close to
a million. >> Yeah. >> I just don't see how we need to be doing that. But anyway, thank you guys for your attention and please don't vote on that part of it. I don't think it makes any sense. >> Thank you. >> So, is he trying to make one long street, but the staff said no? Is that
what you're saying? >> No, they're saying yes. >> The mobility plan has forest or by pine connecting. Well, they said it's >> Can we change the mobility plan or is >> thatal that'd be like a legal thing now that it impacted the fees? The higher
the more needs that we had in our mobility pay our fee, the more justification we had for uh unfortunately that last hotel barely getting by with the $3.8.9 million that they would have to pay to fund those kind of mobility projects. So, I don't know if there's a little
what was going on, but yeah, I don't know if we Kim, do we know if we can now >> look at that? We can see how significant that is. Let Let us take a look at it. >> Yeah, because there's a couple that I know were almost 100% Why are we doing this? No one wants it. >> Yeah.
>> NC look good on paper, >> maybe. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you guys. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Thanks for being here. >> Everything. All right. Anyone else? >> Seeing none, ajourn.