e e clock on the dot and I'm going to call this city council meeting to order my yard and clean up first we have uh the pastor From Grace Lutheran Church pastor Kevin Went thank you so much for being here sir if you push push that gray button turn it on and we'll
pray Grace Lutheran Church prays for the city of dtin and its leaders let's pray in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit amen gracious God heavenly
father from you comes all Rule and Authority over the Nations and states and cities of the world for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do well we humbly ask you to graciously regard these your servants in our city
of dtin these who make administer judge the Affairs of this city look with mercy upon them and Grant them to Bear The Authority you've given them according to your command Enlighten and defend them give
them wisdom and understanding that under their reasoned and Peaceable governance your people may be guarded and directed in righteousness quietness and unity protect and prolong their lives that we with them may show forth the
praise of your holy name we pray this in the name of him who reigns with you and the Holy Spirit one God him who is fully God born fully man to live the perfect life to Die the perfect s sacrifice to rise from the
dead the perfect resurrection and life your son and savior from sin ascended to heaven and to return the last day to judge the living and the dead Jesus Christ amen the Lord bless you and keep you the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious unto you the Lord look
upon you with favor and give you peace amen am God bless thank you sir all right councilwoman AAR with the pledge please stand and join me with your hand over your heart I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands
one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right and as we get the laptops going I'll just take a point of personal privilege and say happy birthday to our
oldest and most wisest councilman on the state up here councilman dtin happy birthday happy birthday all right mayor it's also national anthem day and so we should sing his birthday and the anthem back to
back hey let's do it when you sign the resolution there we go all right so up first it's going to be the agenda approval if anyone has any additions subtractions or uh consent agenda edits please let me know mayor I'd like to pull 3 H please 3 H I'd also like to
pull 3A 3 a 3 H councilwoman shl uh I have some names to add uh to volunteer committees tonight there'll be three under my name okay well any any council member could choose them I just have applications yes ma'am all right thank you okay three committee all right
anything else one other thing mayor under City attorney reports the correct date for the calling of the executive session would be March 17th not March 3rd all right so in addition from March 3rd to March 17th under City attorney I
okay all right anything else all right good housekeeping all right with that I'll entertain a motion at this time all right I hear a motion second second councilwoman a bear seeing no further discussions okay all right all right so
we'll do a roll call councilman Schmid if you want to start us off yes C mcal yes abber yes yes yes yes yes all right I have it 70 so moved Ray if
you can wash that all right first is the proclamation and I'll start with our city Proclamation for flood Awareness Week all right the city of Destin Proclamation flood awareness weak whereas the city of dtin has experienced severe weather in the past in the form
of extreme rainfall or tropical systems I'm also going to add in their snowing events resulting in flooding in both Coastal and riverine environments in this flooding has caused damage and flood loss to homes and buildings in all areas whether they are high-risk special
flood Hazard areas or low to moderate risk flood zones and whereas the city of dtin is a voluntary participant in the National flood insurance program that provides residents with the opportunity to protect themselves against flood loss through the purchase of flood insurance
at a reduced insurance premium rate as well as setting higher regulatory standards to reduce the flood risk and potential flood damage to their properties and whereas the city of Destin participates in the community rating system at a class six affording our community owners up to 20 % discount
on their flood insurance premiums and whereas the reduction of loss of life and property damage can be achieved when appropriate flood preparedness control and mitigation measures are taken before a flood occurs and whereas public engage education and awareness of potential
weather hazards and methods of protection and are critical are critical to the health safety and Welfare of our residents the Florida flood plane management association ffma has declared the week of March 2nd through March 9th 2025 as flood
Awareness Week to promote awareness and increase acknowledge of flood risk and the abilities of flood insurance flood protection methods and how to prepare for emergencies now therefore I mayor Bobby Wagner on behalf of the Dustin City Council in coordination with the
association of State flood plane management of Florida as flood awareness week in the city of dtin and further encourage the citizens of dtin to increase their knowledge of how to protect themselves and their properties from flooding so done this third day of
March 2025 and that is it thank you so much and Michael is our expert resident so we'll get a photo awesome to say anything sure good evening everyone I'm Michael Burgess your Public Works director and flood
plane manager uh this week like the mayor said is flood awareness week and I'd invite you all to go to our Facebook page because every day we will have a flood week awareness public service announcement for lack of a better term uh today's is
today is about preparedness and we'll talk about through the rest of the week we'll talk about insurance and we'll talk about planning uh in the case of an evacuation and uh if you have any questions uh concerning flood plane management or flood insurance feel free
to give us a call at 850 837-6800 aome all right and he also had did radio or something in the past life so I appreciate that uh one thing I want to add on there uh just as a footnote to the proclamation itself is that the city of dtin in partnership with the state of
Florida and the resiliency program uh I want to thank our legislative uh both the house and the Senate from starting in 2021 and doubling down in 2024 I believe uh for the resiliency program of Florida that's all about bringing flood awareness flood infrastructure and
improved uh sustainable infrastructure Readiness and hardening to our community uh the state has a at the moment $ 2.38 billion do in storm water and infrastructure hardening and we are well on our way our Workshop uh to identify
those areas that are most vulnerable and making sure that Destin not only is a safe place to live but we still continue to have uh lower premiums and discounts for being on top of the game so just wanted to give a big shout out to uh both local and state leg is lators on
that for helping every city in the Florida Panhandle as well as across the state for um putting money back into storm water infrastructure and hardening so thank you for that all right all right spring break preparation
do we have the wall built yet yes awesome all right good good good evening Jason ful o l County Sheriff's Office 107 stalman thank y'all for allowing me a few moments to come up here and tell you what we're doing with spring break this year basically we're following the same um blueprint that we
followed the last several years um which is we have H Five Guys um dedicated just to spring break enforcement two of them will be on ATVs on the beach in D two of them will be on ATVs the beach on the island and then we have one person that bounces back and forth spending most of the time just going back and forth
between the Beach Parks and the neighborhoods that we have issues with that person does have the ability to get on another ATV and go out if we have a problem and then depending on how spring break unfolds um throughout the night either all of them will end up staying on the beach at night which is what we have to do when we have a lot of high
schools in town uh but when you have a lot of colleges in town you don't have anybody on the beach after night after uh the sun goes down so then they'll move up into the neighborhood that we typically have um issues with uh spring break started yesterday it goes until April 20th and so far we've made well I
don't know what we did today but yesterday we made 12 arrests 10 of them which were in Destin so unless anyone has any questions that's uh how we're going to handle it this year question yes sir where's the um funding for those five officers come from the any overtime
funding comes from the tdd um the the other officers are on some of the officers are on duty but any over time comes from the TD so any regular work is is just part of our it's part of it's the beach being Beach Marine guys all right seeing
no further discussion thank you Captain thank you thank all right uh fiscal year 2024 annual audit and financial statements Crystal would you want to leave that up or who would like to tee that up yeah um this evening we have our uh audit partner Wade
Sansbury from Malden and Jenkins and we're bringing him up online for you and um see if he can hear us wait I can okay I can can you hear me okay we got you so I'll I'll let you
take it from here all right great can you all see the uh PowerPoint uh if we can get it full screen that might be on our side with the teams meeting but either way yes okay great well uh good
evening everyone uh Mr Mayor uh City Council Members thank you so much for allowing me to to be here with you all tonight even if it is virtually um I apologize I have been a little sick the last few days so my voice May kind of come and go a little bit but I'll try to get through this as quickly as I can um
and be able to answer any questions that you all may have um got a brief presentation just going to start out with a little bit of information about molden and Jenkins um we are a large uh Regional accounting firm founded in 1918 we've been around for a very long time
we do do serve over 700 governmental entities such as the city um currently we also serve about 180 governments that receive the gfoa certificate of excellence as does the city um we we audit a lot of uh single audits across the southeast as
well um here's just a kind of a graphical presentation of the some of that same information um and then we'll just dive into the statements themselves so the city prepares um an an a for an annual comprehensive financial report um this goes above and beyond what is
actually required by the state so that the city should be commended for that um the report itself is is essentially put together by Crystal and her staff they do a great job in taking care of that for you all um and of course the the act for itself is a lot more comprehensive than just a regular financial statement
it's got the introductory section A lot of statistical information a lot of good overall detailed information that uh you would actually have in in other statements um this year obviously the opinion is is one of the key things that
we do for you all u based on all of our audit procedures and testing we provided to you all an unmodified opinion this is a clean opinion this is the type of op wish to receive each and every year um in our opinion the financial statements present fairly in all material respects
the financial position position of the city um as of for the year ended um wait I it's uh I don't think we're going through the slide if you're moving forward we're still on the cover oh
really well is it is it not moving at all we're not seeing it um are you on full screen because we're kind of we're inside teams so I didn't know if that was on us but the slides aren't moving either way which I would assume on your side okay yeah do do y'all Maybe by chance have
the control of the slides what about now okay yeah yeah I think we can have them on our side okay all right no worries what what slide would you like us to start with where you left off um slide six and for everyone in the Rome I can't
read that either but we have our cheat sheet up here so it's not you it's not us okay okay well um so one of the key things uh obviously with with every financial statement audit and a lot of things I
know the csil always likes to hear is is were there any kind of problems were there any kind of findings or anything like that and I'm very happy to report that there were there were none um you had no uh material weaknesses no significant deficiencies nothing like that whatsoever um this year the city
actually did not spend um or receive federal Awards or state Awards in excess of 750,000 so we did not have to perform an additional single audit this year but again a very very clean audit um hats off again to Crystal and all of her staff
for doing a great job of taking care of the books and records of the city and certainly they do a great job in helping us through the process and get to get through that uh in a timely manner all right the next slide um this is just beginning of some required Communications I won't go over all of
those with you but there's there's three different slides here for required Communications we can do that orally or we could also do that in a written format we've always chosen to do that in a written format all of these are also listed in our other document that you all have it's called our adna our Auditors discussion and Analysis so all
of those are also listed there but one thing I do want to point out which is on the very last required communication slide is that we are independent with regards to the city that's something that we take very very seriously um and just want to point that out that we are absolutely independent with regards to the
city um the next slide um slide 10 is just some high level general information about the city for 202 4 the following slide is the same information as of 2023 um total uh spending per resident total this year about
$2,400 uh the general fund fund balance ended the year about 33.9 million in total that was about a 4.7% increase over that of the prior year our total debt per resident went down about $200 it's now sitting at about $1,500 um per
resident um the city ended the year with about 103 total employees um our average employee salary is about 63,000 and a percentage of general fund budget spent on salaries and benefits is about 46% um I think there might have been a question on how some of those were calculated so
the city's total payroll for 2024 um total total wages in itself was about 6.5 million um that divided by the 103 total employees is gives you the average uh 63,000 uh overall
salary um the next slide again is the same information as of 2023 um so you can see a little bit a little bit of change there um again all in all the city is in is in great financial condition um you all had a really really strong overall financial performance for
2024 um you saw a significant increase in the increase in the Citywide statement of net position um you had a lot of activity going on now you've got a lot more activity coming down the pipe in 2025 but again hats off to to Crystal and her staff for doing a good job and
taking care of all that information for you all right the next slide slide 12 um is just a graph on the general fund revenues the majority of the revenues do come from overall property taxes just shy of 13 million um then you got next is is
licenses and permits and then some intergovernmental revenues um the next slide is your overall general fund expenditures um it's pretty interesting that you all are are fairly well balanced in uh your overall expenditures you've got a lot of governmental expenditures about 4.2 million Public
Safety about 4.1 million um culture and recreation about 4.3 million so that's that's very good um a lot of times I see that Public Safety is by far uh the number one expenditure that's very good that you all are not having to do that
uh the next slide slide 14 is a 5-year uh graph on the general fund overall fund balance history um again very steady not a whole lot of changes from 2020 to 2024 um certainly you're seeing a little bit of an uptick over the last
four years compared to 2020 um additionally like I mentioned before we do have um what we call our Auditors discussion and Analysis um this is where we put forth kind of a in in one package all of our again the required Communications if we had any kind of findings or recommendations for
improvements those would would be listed there um but again we had none for this year um we also list out all the upcoming gasby statements and standards uh pronouncements that are coming down the coming down the pipe so that you all can be made aware of those um and can begin
to plan for those upcoming I think the next one that may actually have an impact on you all um it's just really going to be on how you compute your compensated abses next year it's gby 101 um and then that's really all that I had for the presentation um again very very
happy to uh to serve the city of dtin you all are a great client um should be very proud of of all that you all have accomplished and certainly uh all that that Miss Crystal has done for you all do you all have any questions for me that I could help
answer all right any questions yep councilman Bagby yeah I'm trying to find the uh thanks hope you're feeling better uh but I'm trying to find the 6.3 Million number that you referenced for the salaries and so I I went
into uh into the financial statements can you tell me which slide or which page that's on so it was about 6.5 million and and that's really just a summary of all of your general ledger accounts that are payroll related accounts um that would not be in the
slides and it would not be in your financial statements but that is that is a summarized information from your basically your en Ledger for the year okay so what what I think you're telling me
is I would have to ask Crystal to go in and pull those out of each one of the fund categories is that correct so I could certainly provide you with what I'm looking at to give me the 6.5 okay I could I could absolutely give that to you all if you
would like for it okay if you can just say that to me I'd appreciate it thank you absolutely all right anyone else all right I'll just take this moment thank you so much Crystal we really appreciate you guys The more I've met other cities around the uh State of Florida there's
4011 uh some are years behind in things like this so I think we take it for granted to have such an awesome team of three or four of you uh but we really appreciate you handling millions of dollars of ins and outs and everyday operations so thank you so much all right thank you for your time
all right thank you you guys take care thank you Wade and thank you mayor all right with that we'll go into the public comments Mr Mayor yes sir just recommend just a recommended motion for the audit oh there is sorry about that do I hear a motion to I'm assuming
approve if motion to accept the audit as presented second second by Council treml uh any further discussions seeing none all right we'll call the vote thank you right I him in uh oh all right eyes have at 70 so moved
all right up next is the public comment portion this is y'all's opportunity to come up to the dis and be on the record uh we just ask that you hit the gray button it'll turn red you have three minutes all we need is your name and address and the floor is yours I will start with my left y'all's right
top public thank you yes thank you for the caveat um if it is a public hearing topic which if the short-term rentals is your topic uh we will have a specific public hearing uh portion for that topic that looks like it's
5D so please refrain from any short-term rentals until that time uh in addition to that if there's any public comments outside public hearing topics yes sir this is your time to be recognized Don Dallas 442 Snapper
Destin um I usually give youall good cudos for good work I know folks are trying to help me with my flooding situation but I got to read this I'm telling you because it's it's killing me
right here it's hurting bad these are emails for the last over 3 years to the city to fix my problem with my garage garage and house getting flooded and to this
date Zero has happened nothing Mr Burgess came by a few weeks ago I think Mr dtin did I didn't see him Mr Jones I believe did I didn't see them either I'm sure they did it's been going on too long I'm pushing 78 my wife's 77 we had
to go down there about few months ago and load up 30 bags of sand to keep the water out of my garage yall know you seen the pictures 11 ft down there that deep in my garage okay it it's not right
you know I'm not going to sit and say I pay taxes and you get all that garbage on mind then all that mess but uh I heard there was a phase one which was Kelly and uh Juanita all
that do is push water on a snapper Drive where I live and my neighbors phase two has never been done somebody cut it off what I was told okay phase two needs to be done they need to put sewers down there and in the grates
to get the water off that cuz that street is like this and it runs right into my yard in my house okay you know we've been we've been kicking the can for about almost well over two years okay
you know too my friend you know it you got the emails uh few months ago I watched pick a ball court unanimous 400 Grand okay cool I'm glad
they're doing it but if they can afford to do that they can afford to fix my problem keep water out of my house are you with me y'all understand what I'm trying to get it uh I talk
to uh Mr Jones Mr Burgess tonight before the meeting Mr bur just assured me that he had a plan to do it and I wish every council member in the city and Engineering would get on it and do it next month is a rainy season I've been
here six years that's where it starts real good I know it rains all the time I understand that but it floods the house and it's fixing to come down y'all know that correct so I wish y'all get on the ball and get my problem fixed Butz me
and my wife is too old you ever lift a bag of uh this big a sand and then when it gets wet you got to lift it back up and haul it back to the pile in front of my house looks like a junkyard with all that junk hanging there you with me I take pride in my house I take pride in
the flowers and everything I plant I got all that junk laying down in front of my house Mr Dey seen it that man right there seen it and so did Mr Burgess anyway I know I'm over my third 30 minutes or 20 or 30 seconds or what I'm supposed to but I want y'all to get out there and get after it i i i i d need it
done okay I don't ask for much but I'm asking all right than you need to get done thank y'all all right anyone else public comments not public hearing mayor can we hear from staff on that why it's taking three three years just because of the length of this agenda I'm really going
to try to keep the public comments to comments today understood thank you yes sir all right you can move it y okay uh my name is BR Greenwood I live at 254 kaloa Boulevard and I am so grateful to be standing here today for so many people
in this community even living in Destin as a dream come true been here for four and a half years and I am here to introduce the community to an organization that um it's a nonprofit organization that we just launched called the Destin touchdown Club
and the dust down touchdown Club is all about Destin and it's all about the kids and our goal with the organization is to create a championship football program in Destin by uniting from the
youth uh City football program to the Middle School to the high school and we also believe that proximity is really important in keeping kids in Destin throughout um Elementary
to Middle School to high school too and having an excellent football program is also going to play a part in attracting high quality residents to this community and we have a lot of initiatives underway we have summer football camps
we just um had a meeting with the city youth uh uh organizers today this morning to start planning those summer camps we have uh uh community service initiatives for the athletes we have nutrition initiatives um fundraising
initiatives and there's so much more to come uh very simply our website is Destin touchdown club.com and that's the best way to learn more about us and we opened up membership last week and the membership is open really for anyone and
everyone that loves Athletics and Destin and cares about the youth in our community so if you have any questions thank you so much we appreciate it all right anyone else here public comments all right I'm seeing none I'll
close the public comments uh Dr T can you hit that all right uh we're going to pull and start with what we pulled 3A uh councilwoman AAR this is yours yes um if I could have our City attorney please
read resolution 255 Gulf of America Title thank you council member AAR this is resolution 255 a resolution of the city council of the city of dtin Florida recognizing and supporting president Donald J Trump's renaming of the Gulf of
America pursuant to executive order 14172 restoring names that honor American greatness recognizing the Gulf of America as home to vibrant American Fisheries teaming with Snapper shrimp grouper and stone crab and other species recognizing the Gulf of America as a
favorite destination for in tourism and recreation activities directing the City attorney and city manager to take all actions in accordance with this resolution including amendments to City resolutions and ordinances as applicable and providing for an effective date thank you with that do we need to
just make a motion to approve yes ma'am make a motion to approve all right do I hear a second I'll second it all right Council TR has a second any further discussions get all right would you like to jump in for
discussion yeah all right I got you I'll put you on is that what you're yeah go ahead and while I understand the uh the push to do this I'm trying to figure out what jurisdiction we have over the gulf and I also know that Destin has a long history
of trying to preserve history and our heritage uh we have 500 years worth of history in the Gulf our DES in itself probably 200 I don't know what we'll accomplish by by uh doing this the president's already
issued his report I mean his his order he doesn't need our permission nor our support it's a done thing um I see this is just involving Us in issues that are probably going to get very confusing over the next six or eight months I've
noticed that we just wrote a letter asking that our former mayor be placed on the uh fishery management Council for Noah um and Noah is still calling at the Gulf of Mexico fishery management Council so if the federal agencies are
not on this bandwagon I expect they may well be uh it's just not something it's a it's a we don't have a dog in a fight and uh it may turn around and bite us so strictly from the fact that we have a lot of history with the existing name
and we never referred to it as Gulf of Mexico we just said we're going to the gulf if we uh if the resolution just was going to refer to the gulf then I don't have a problem but uh you know you all know I'm a a student of history in
history I think needs to be preserved right councilwoman a uh thank you um mayor just to clarify Mr Deston uh the purpose of this is just to amend our ordinances where everything says um the Gulf of Mexico it's just correcting it
it is consistent with the president's executive order and it just makes our codes match it's it's a wording change in all of our ordinances not something we're dedicating or making a big um like shift we're just correcting our paperwork getting our stuff in line with
what now it's called the Gulf of Mexico and our paperwork let's fix it to the gulf America okay that's it's it's amending the ordinances it's changing that and and would you be satisfied to uh to table this until such time as we get direction from the federal
government to take any actions could you speak to that Miss cop as far as a requirement by the federal government well this is in the discretion of council if you want to change it or not is totally up to you I'll make a substitute motion that we
table it until such time as we get direction from the federal government on what steps they want us to take all right I have to substitute motion on the table do I hear a second wish I could help you all right yeah I I could help in that
situation unfortunately Okay g to die for a lack of a second uh on the substitute and seeing no further discussion I will call the yes conman Bagby are we going to uh amend the charter also not without a vote of the electorate exactly okay because in our
Charter uh it in XI uh section 2.01 it refers to it as the Gulf of Mexico a couple of times actually so uh we have to change our Charter
okay problem that I see the very kind of problems I see us getting into taking an action before we really understand what action we're supposed to take councilwoman traml I got you I didn't um I was just going to say that
um my take on all of this is that we need to say something in here that says anything that said Gulf of Mexico doesn't have to be changed because it was before all this edict
happened but it can now be called be construed as the same body of water does that make sense and so there would be essentially no change to any previous stuff anything that we do in the future could say
America parentheses Mexico as far as I'm concerned all right seeing no further comments yeah so I'm I I will make a substitute motion to bring it back to say exactly what councilwoman traml asked it to say so that we're very clear
that any references in any of our governing documents uh that reference the Gulf of Banky Co will will be construed as also referring to the Gulf of America or something to that
effect all right government ads Finance I have a any have all right I have a substitute motion and a second uh any further discussions on now the substitute motion all right seeing none and we will
call the vote yep he's going yeah Sunshine all right and while that's going I don't care what we call it just pick it up pick up the trash pick up your stuff it's four no no it's
43 43 no no I don't get a tie tonight unfortunately all right so moved 4 Z or 43 we'll bring it back to staff for edits all right I got 3H next I believe that correct councilman yes I'm
sorry yes sir is the uh applicant here or representative of the applicant here okay all right one of my favorite Engineers okay cool uh if you could I got a couple of questions oh you didn't
have to bring the the plats cuz the plats didn't say anything that I could tell but in the oh okay um it references and I assume this is in the replat but it
references um six where is it with 14 units for for Workforce housing now I got to go up and find it six slots okay here it is six units with 14
rooms for Workforce housing and that's still going to be in the replat correct that is in the re I'm David Smith with interlight I'm sorry yeah and uh that is in the replat and may I elaborate just briefly yes sure the plat that's before
you is it's creating Lot 10 and lot 11 which is a replat of lot seven mhm so Lot 10 has four town home units and the area that you're referring to is up in this location here so I would like to spend this around this is the approved
development order site plan MH and this building up in that northeast corner does say six units 14 room Workforce housing that is for employees of Henderson Beach that is not open to the public or available for work that was my
question is cuz it's it's your Workforce housing not our Workforce housing correct correct and that's part of the approved development order and I just wanted to clarify for the for the replat as well okay for that thanks David that's my question thank you all all
right seeing no further discussion uh councilman babby do you have the motion on that oh I'm sorry motion to approve is presented all right do I hear a second second all right second inv by councilman Deston uh seeing no further discussions on the table we'll call the
question okay and here we go keeping the suspense all right eyes have it so moved 70 and do I have a motion for the rest of the consent agenda I'll make a motion to approve the rest all right second second by
councilman gu all right seeing no further discussions we'll call the vote on the rest of the consent all right I have it 70 so moved we'll go into the city manager report uh Mr Larry Jones Thank you Mr Mayor uh Council um
first on behalf of Staff we also want to recognize the Excellence that Miss Crystal and her team put forth in protecting the city's money the citizens money and doing good things to make sure it's spent appropriately and accounted for appropriately so Crystal and your
group thank you so much makes our job a whole lot easier when we're not have to worry about that um so the first item for your cons uh information is from Stephanie our underground consultant to talk about the uh current phase and what
phase two may look like um based on your discussion thank you Miss Stephanie all right just hit that gray button it'll turn the red the light red good evening council members and mayor my name is Stephanie Lindsay I'm a project manager with utility Consultants
Florida and I'm excited to be here tonight to give you a project update for the utility undergrounding um do we have slides yes one job thank thank you
Crystal so I'll go ahead and just let you know tonight I'll be providing you with updates on the current phase one portion of the undergrounding once we get the map up we'll kind of highlight where this is at and then just a refresher for anyone who's not aware this includes the undergrounding of the
FPL facilities as well as the communication carriers and then new street lights for this project while you're waiting on your slides there's a bunch of people asking about the little metal flag that are supposed toly marking everything and they've been there for months and people are running over with their lawn mower is there a
retrieval date is there a you can get rid of them date can the homeowners get rid of them do you have any info on that is that on residential that's probably AT&T and uh Live Oak fiber for the fiber internet because this is all on Highway
98 yes yes so we're on Highway 98 and most of the flags that you'll see will be from Beach Drive day to the bridge um on the north and south side of the road way and it's really just affecting commercial properties right now but yeah with that though um I'll shoot over the
contact information for Live Oak fiber and you'll have it to you and that way we can if there's I've been addressing it through them and if that Street's clear I'll let them know hey you can pull it but yeah I wish we had a little bit more if we could put on our Facebook page for these people that are tired of
it sitting on their property for months okay somehow let them know yeah you can run them over pull them up whatever they're not coming back to to get them okay so we are allowed to have them do that because I checked into it weeks ago I was told that they cannot be touched I
think it's one of those where if we get both fiber optic companies to confirm that that road is done and that's the that's where we're missing the mark sounds good all right with the slides up we have killed some time if we can go to the next slide Perfect all right so
phase one right here you see the red area um so like I said Beach Drive to to the bridge I'm sorry Airport Boulevard to the bridge that's our first phase um can we go to the next slide all right and we'll jump right
into phase one construction updates so I'm not going to read everything that you see on these slides verbatim it's a lot of information just some key points that I want to highlight um so for the recent updates for FPL work the contractor has installed all of the Conduit on the north side of highway 98
from Beach Drive to the bridge um equipment placement in this location is approximately 95% complete and then as of January the 29th of this year the um Project's total construction was at 25%
complete so that's really good progress and then moving on uh we did have a short pause from the 29th of January until the 24th of February and this was to allow some time for a couple of our communication carriers to either
get their dot per permit or to go ahead and release materials for the work they're all good um and ready to go we've got permits we've got materials so we are moving on the contractor uh picked back up with construction last Monday so for the communication carriers
there's a note on here about Unity they're good to go that process is complete they've released materials so that's the only update in that section and then for our easements I want to note that on our recent installations the contractor is going to be gathering the data points for where
the equipment was installed and then we'll be moving those into getting a sketch and getting those recorded now so this is on the north side of 98 on that Beach Drive run uh for street lights the conduit and the handholes have been installed by the
construction contractor FPL will return at a later date to install your new street lights and then in good news there are no change orders requested at this time for that first portion of the Run next slide please all right um here you see some
photos of the recent construction just kind of some equipment placement the drill machine things like that go to the next slide all right upcoming work for phase one so um the contractor has begun his
drilling operations from the bridge heading to um Beach Drive so he's heading west to east at this point so once he completes this par run um he'll go ahead and coordinate with do for all of his Crossings we're estimating that
the construction for that section should be complete late in the summer of this year um and just to note the contractor has to be very cognizant of this run due to tourist season um some traffic issues and Dot restrictions at this time
especially with lane closures um for our communication carriers all are involved good to go at this point easements all consents were obtained so we'll work in the exact same manner as the first portion street lights conduit is being installed simultaneously by the
contractor street light poles will be installed at a later date by FPL and then on our Outlook so just as mentioned before um this section is really going to require that the contractor coordinate uh both with Dot and then also with local businesses and their
needs during this time all right and then next slide oh we're missing one so if we refer back to the map can we just go back to the map all right so I'll go ahead and talk a little bit about phasing for any upcoming undergrounding that you guys
want to to do so initially UCF did provide a phasing map this is it for the city um and this is just to kind of assist you in planning out your future undergrounding efforts so there are seven areas um these have been identified and separated based on the
general cost similarities and the technical capabilities um for the terminations Within These sections so these phases are not required to be done in any specific order it's entirely at the city's discretion and as a matter of fact some
of these sections or phases can be either increased decreased or combined to meet your goals so at this time UCF FPL and the project team are we're in a really good position we're ready um to initiate any
new conversions that the city of dtin might want to do um and I do want to note that the design and estimate time frame for any upcoming projects um is going to be approximately a year so it'll be um if we started this month you
could expect to have your binding cost estimate and then your potential to uh go under procurement by March or April of next year so that your time frame so that's my updates for the um upcoming um so in closing thank you all
so much for your time tonight and thank you for allowing us to be a part of this exciting project for the city so if you guys have any questions I'm happy to answer for you just one when you're talking about late summer and lane closures uh what what kind of lane closures do we need to expect for the
capability that you guys need to burrow is it one lane at a time on one yes and it is is a moving operation so uh the contractor is doing a really good job trying to reduce the amount of lane closures that he needs but you will expect lane closures when he asked to do his DOT Crossings those are a
requirement for do his parallel runs he's really trying to reduce any kind of lane closures all right and do you guys work at night we can if requested yes sir all right I think I'm G to be requesting that coun Bagby thanks Stephanie uh SE
several items so and I understand we're just getting off the ground but the time to not stop work on the roads is February you know yes late January to late February so I would
ask that since we plan on be being doing this for another year or so that you tell those carriers whatever they need to do to be ready for next November to the end of February this November I'm sorry till the end of next February they
need to do absolutely because I don't want to have you back up here because you will be the recipient of a blistering you know we had this discussion last March and you said yes we'll make sure we coordinate because that's that's what
we're relying on you guys to do is make sure all these little pieces come together at the right time right that is correct yes okay so having said that the the main reason I ask that this be brought up is trying to sequence this properly
and so I'm going to ask Crystal to talk a little bit about the financing of these phases but don't run off okay right Stephanie don't run off um the uh the in in brief each of these
phases will cost between 15 to8 $18 million to complete um also I just want to point out on this map you'll see some areas that are already shaded in uh yellow and those areas are already undergrounded uh the city has an
ordinance uh where new development is supposed to be undergrounded um currently we have approximately $800,000 of electric franchise fee money that's available that's not being expended towards um debt or other undergrounding
at this moment that could be available to complete this uh next phase of engineering designs and uh year-over-year we have approximately 500,000 of electric franchise fee money that would be available to pay on any debt if the city
wanted to go that route so what she's telling you is absent us getting some resiliency grants which we are working on uh but they probably would only apply to sections of 98 not just the general area because
that's a state highway not not a city street we we will have to wait 12 years or whatever before we get phase one paid off uh so we have the balloon payment in 5 years and we'll see what refinancing
um and what rates are five years from now to make a better guess but assuming we get kind of similar terms uh for the next component I would say that if I were to take our Revenue stream out to the market right now I could generate approximately $8 million which is about
half of what we would need to complete another phase okay so another eight years if you could do eight and then we're doing a million dollars a year in the franchise fee and some of the other revenues that would be eight more years so we don't want to
wait eight more years before we start phase two we want to start phase two and we understand that's Inc coming upon us to go out and find the the revenue source to do this and like I said I have high expectations that the state may be
able to help us particularly along 98 and so uh but anything y'all can do but my main thing with you is you're coordinating this work you're doing a good job but not a great job
because we lost some prime I mean you could have dug I won't say there wasn't anybody on 98 but there wasn't near as many people going to be here next week okay understood please don't let that happen absolutely starting one November
to February 28th of next year yes sir all right Council meston thank you mayor and I understand that there are some neighborhoods that would like to have their utilities buried and there are other sections here that we would also like to go forward
with and while I am going to be a big big supporter of the grants and resiliency and whatever else we can find we do have a mechanism in the charter that allows us to find a way to pay for this and that's special Municipal taxing
district any neighborhood any section of Destin is allowed to petition the council and say we want this done undergrounding whatever it may be and ask for us to form a special uh Municipal taxing district and provide the money like that it's it's extra
money that will go on the property tax if I still remember how it worked so there is a mechanism we want to get as much money for free as we can and we may even be able to still kick in some money from our uh fees franchise fees etc etc
but there is a mechanism in place for any neighborhood and that wants to do it I mean if they just come and send us the petition and say we want to do it then we can go forward on that basis if there is no alternative so we do have a mechanism in place should we choose to
use it yeah uh I did not know about that so thank you for bringing that up uh Kim is that just based on the amount of 100% volunteer to make that District or do we need to create that District it's not 100% volunteers you
petition and then it's a percentage but it's not 100% it's I don't remember what it is Kim do you not off hand but I'll find out for you yeah and it's nowhere near 100 it's somewhere over 50 okay okay uh councilman Bagby back to you and for that reason so thank you I'm going
to make a motion that we keep the phases in the new numerical order that they are because our greatest chance of getting funding absent a neighborhood petitioning and willing to pay for the
undergrounding in their neighborhood is through the state or through the federal government for that state highway so I'll second that all right I have a motion in a second councilman Schmidt for discussion yeah keep the phases as they
are there there's no work being done on any next phases at this time from my understanding right there's no cost estimates being prepared there's no nothing that's correct not at this time so based off of that what does that mean to you if we were to keep the phases as
they are are y'all going to go start working tomorrow on something we could always if Council directs us to we can go ahead and approach FPL for a ballpark estimate and that's free what that'll do is that'll give you a good Baseline of the budget of what the next phase will
cost cost so if if Mr bagby's motion staff nobody's going to do anything then unless we direct y'all to specifically go out on a specific phase and get these numbers right my understanding would be that as you move
forward it would be based on the the phasing that you see on the map but we won't move forward until exact correct you no action to do anything we're not being directed to do anything other than recognize that that'll be the
next place we'll go if I'm understanding the motion correct that the next yeah and so I I haven't added I can add that but the reason I did not add that is I need to have some conversations with our legislative delegation with Kelly Beth probably with Bernard and some
other folks uh before we do anything we spend your time because I don't like wasting people's times to uh start working on that and I would hope to have an answer on that within the next four to 6 months so that would give us a year
before you would be finished with phase one to where we could have the cost estimat we could have the oh you're going to have to move this box and you're going to have to move that box you're going have to do all this other stuff so I'm just trying to sequence it uh but but the long pole intent is
finding money or finding a grand or finding something I mean we could tell them tonight go get us an estimate but I'm trying to sequence this to where we have kind of a smooth that makes sense I just want to clarify that we're not actually saying the next thing that we're going to underground is the yellow
line okay thank you okay awesome all right with that I'm seeing no further discussions we do have a motion on the floor so I'll call the vote all right 61 so moved all right 4 B councilman
councilman city manager U thank you Mr Mayor 4B is regarding the grer gator dredging request and the whole concept of dredging the harbor as you recall at a previous meeting Gator dredging was
awarded the contract to dredge uh the uh the harbor uh they have requested to be released from that and to withdraw their bid based on some timing issues um that was indicated in the bid documents of
when they could proceed with it that got slowed down for a number of reasons but anyway um Gat of dredging is not interested in entering contract to perform those Services subsequent or going along with that uh as we were preparing a contract for their
consideration our legal council pointed out that the complexities associated with with that project would um probably require a coastal engineer which uh we didn't disagree with and we brought back to council the idea of piggybacking on
the County's contract with Taylor engineering to do that and you graciously allowed us to move forward there Taylor engineering took a look at the bid documents and decided that they were pretty much inadequate to make sure that we accomplished what we needed to
do so uh we met with G with um tayor engineering we met with the D and some other issues were identified a the SPO site as presented in the current bid documents shows the spoils being placed
in the construction area where nor Point Parks being built which creates a huge conflict uh We've we're now in Shore bir nesting season which has the potential of creating a huge conflict all of which would result in big change orders and uh
costly change orders so uh based on uh so our discussion with d and with um Taylor engineering uh we would suggest and recommend that we release Gator uh dredging from their award and let them
withdraw their bid that we reject all the other bids at that time um and let us bring back to you a task order to engage Taylor to uh prepare uh specifications for the next round of bids uh and get that back out on the
street and look to start this project in November after um shorebird nesting season and then there's an additional component to that we're working with the Army Corp of perhaps a uh a study and
and a feasibility study that may end up with the Armory Corps taking on this project on an ongoing basis but that's kind of a side note for now but we'll work down that path as well but our recommended path is is to uh again reject all the bids allow Gator to
withdraw their bid and to uh let us bring you back a task quar to engage tailor engineering for uh the appropriate bid documents for the next round all right thank you sir councilwoman traml uh mayor I'd like to make the
recommended motion I move at the city release Gator dredging from their bid proposal for RFB 24-13 PW or pass Lagoon navigational Channel dredging project I second that all right got a motion in the second by
councilwoman AAR any further discussions seeing none call the vote all right eyes have it so moved 70 all right moving along thank you Council next item is um is a request from um representative man's office
regarding our four uh legislation legislative appropriation request the if you recall the four are the cross town connector the mdty Kelly outfall the stalman 98 intersection and the Clement tatlor Park a revision a renovation and
they're simply asking that we give those one two 3 four priority so that they can U put forth the maximum effort on number one until it goes away or or or we make some progress uh they'll all be in the mix we'll certainly look with our
lobbyist for any uh source of Revenue even outside of the legislative process but uh representative man would like us to rank those in conversation with our our lobbyist um the listing as you see them in your uh packet is probably
the the ranking that she would like to see them move forward based on what she knows that's going on through the legislature and the POS potential of those being funded uh but it's certainly a council discretion of how you want to rank them one through four all right thank you with that I yeah spoke with uh
Ian this morning uh bat Manny's assistant and he said this is an internal thing but he appreciated us taking so much thought on it as a council so uh councilman Schmidt yeah I'll make a motion to put recreational project as number one storm water project as number two capacity project
as three and pedestrian underpass as number four I'll second that all right hold up can you order that one more time sure Mr Mayor Recreation project is number one storm water project is number two capacity project is number three and
underpass is number four pass okay all right and I got a second with cman councilwoman abar all right any further discussion all right I didn't reprioritize them I prioritize them for the request of Judge
Manny's office there there's not a particular priori so I was just doing what we were asked to do so if there's another option you're feel free to put out there okay did Larry did the they give him to us in an order that they felt they could
get him through the system yeah correct this is our lobbyist recommendation so we changed so it did get flip-flop the recommendation in the order that you told us is what we needed to read it as if you agree with our
lobbyist at the end of the day we have our own but yes this is Kelly Beth and us going up toal uh um Capitol Hill this is what she feels is our biggest chances top to bottom I think that's what we hired her right was for her to give us the best ideas and help us get things
done at the lobby level that's certainly a big part of what she's doing for us yes ma'am Kevin how do you feel about putting him in the order she gave them to us I mean me personally I'm getting tired of funding a project that started 21 years ago and trying to go to the state asking for
more money pedestrian underpass that I have no idea about that's going to possibly serve the owners of the Emerald Grand and those people over there not a big fan of personally so I put them in the order that I'd like to recommend to send but we can do whatever we need to do up here
okay you have anything else no uh councilman Bagby yeah I'm mayor you before I say this you went up there with Kelly Beth what what was your perception talking to everybody in Tallahassee about uh what amounts of money were available in which
buckets so because that's really the yeah as you know he's going to cut another billion off of the um membership program which is that's what this is for the appropriation um I think the cross town with it being a interc connal and
showing the regional connectivity that it creates with the burden of the four lane on the Harbor that seemed to get uh the governor's uh Deputy Chief of staff's interest from the TPO um that's the one we kind of leaned on heavily because to Cosman Schmid's point I was
in Middle School when we started this uh project so I would love to see that done um and then other than that I'd probably just yield to uh Kelly Beth on on the rest uh with d the resiliency infrastructure but uh basically what I got from our um our lobbyist was the
more we can not do in membership projects the better this year as he's trying to tighten the belt one more time and so I I really think everyone up there is going to be happy with one or two maybe so it's really what's our one
maybe two project um is kind of the the energy up there at the hill yeah and haven't talked but I haven't talked for probably two or three weeks to our any of the members of our legis two weeks to the members of our legislative
delegation uh I I think this is a read on what type of projects are going to get approved and make it across the governor's desk we've had projects approved they didn't make it across the governor's desk and we've had a few projects that were approved that made it
across the governor St so I as much as I hate to I'm going to go ahead and make a substitute motion that we keep it in the priority of which it's listed in the item report all right I have a substitute motion for the original motion do I have a second second by
Council Willman treml uh Cosman dtin further discussion thank you mayor and i would support that motion but I would point out the underground is not just to serve uh the project across the road is to get the pedestrians out of the intersection M
that is connected to cross town about as intimately as it could possibly be we're rerouting all the traffic from the cross town onto that intersection if we do nothing at all to fix the problems there then the cross town is going to be a giant Fiasco that is just going to
tangle that up more so those two projects are connected and I I would hope that uh the governor and and their staff over there would understand doing one without the other is not a good idea so I I'll support the motion counc mby yeah and I I would jump
on I would have moved that up but I think we will get cross town connector funding we've already gotten some from the TPO process and from FD uh fdot I think there is a possibility or probability that we might be be able to
get some of the Matty Kelly outfall from the resiliency or from FD additional funding and so I'm hoping that you know The Pedestrian under pass would actually be the members hey here's my little pet project thing but we we got to finish the cross town
connector I mean yeah and the reason I don't try to push it up is I have faith in representative Manny he got it funded last time yeah and I think he can get it funded we'll just see if the governor and his staff can understand how those two projects are connected yep and uh
his new Deputy Sten chaff uh staff uh is a Troy alumni with me he was actually running for uh City or sorry student president and he was a couple grades older than me so we really kicked it off so between all of our connections up here and my my new found one hopefully we can get it through the governor's
office this go around all right uh with that I have a motion a substitute motion for the original motion and uh I will call that vote three two three four okay I don't know why I keep thinking it's 3 three all right 43 you're wishing I just want
to be relevant this meeting all right 43 eyes have it uh for the substitute motion um and then if I can before we move on to the next uh uh Point here sorry coffee uh for the stallman intersection while we were talking about
that I don't want to Cloud up this with this topic um the stallman intersection and our previous motion for are looking at who can help us with that intersection I just wanted to give a quick update since we were talking about that uh at the TPO meeting kimley Horn
uh is the ecrc Emerald Coast Regional Council uh that's their goto um person for staff on these intersection changes and improvements with technology and since that in 3G we we uh passed them as
a continuing service consultant in professional planning um when we get to my name I just wanted to bring that up in further discussion that I think we have a parallel now to to uh go forward with the current council's wishes with now A continuing service
contract person who is already helping at the regional level uh on that so I just wanted to bring that up now before I forget and with that Larry continue on thank you Mr Mayor next item is 4D is the Crystal Beach plans um at the last
meeting Mr Bagby asked us to bring back uh the um current status of those plans um in March of 2023 the council approved a 10% plan that has since been Advanced to 60%
plans that uh we have available for your uh uh view tonight and consideration and discussion Mr Coffee from the Count's here as you know this is a joint project with the county um our engineer at the time uh had some issues with the 60%
plan that was presented primarily the circulation of traffic and the idea of backing uh back into the roadway as opposed to um having some circular motion uh the county is u
in order to do that would eliminate some parking that they have identified uh so there's some difference of opinion of what's the best to do there but there's a few other things that uh we would need to work on some details to ensure that it moves
um to meet code with the city and uh Council you have some thoughts on that cim beyond that for what for anything not unless Council has
questions all right up first c m g I got a couple things first I can understand why the county doesn't care about our traffic flow problems because they don't seem to care about a whole lot that happens over here in dtin that's why they keep throwing these damn
hotels car washes and storage units on every corner but uh we're the ones that have to deal with the traffic back up when people are trying to pull into these spots and out of these spots so I will not support the extra spots the extra parking spots
additionally um I realized we're in joint purchase on these three properties uh I think it's ridiculous that we have a property a residential property in between them um I would love to figure out a way to negotiate how we sell that isolated
property and put that money back into our bottom line give them back their percentage of Their donation and US put our donation back in our bottom line to for for other projects but that's my take on this situation all right thank you sir coun bradden thank you mayor um
why why is it such a big deal that we eliminate whatever parking we need there three places four places whatever it is so people aren't pulling into these parking lots and have to back all the way back out back into the highway if they're full which why is it so critical to have
these extra parking places coffee you want to I'll zap them if they get too me the opportun so I I I think this was the Compromise this does have a circular pattern so this is not backing up uh we actually
eliminated four spaces uh right now you have approximately six in front of your Pavilion so you even with this uh you got to remember you paid three and a. half million to purchase the property so you want to maximize parking and I think
this is the compromise between what your engineer former engineer suggested and what we ideally would like but in and I think it's a good compromise and that it provides a pattern and uh commissioner gu we do care uh I don't know L use that
people have property rights but we care about what happens in Dustin um we partnered down this road with you we entered into a local agreement U some years ago this was actually Dustin's plan that we're implementing to buy property to implement parking and buy beach front because of lack of beach
front that was for your residents and your uh visitors alike so uh we just want to get this off center it's been four years since we bought the property uh I think in April of 20 we uh we actually in April of 21 excuse me we actually did the demolition celebration
so 4 years is enough time uh we do have Tarpon Beach on the street which is very exciting uh and hopefully we'll have a ribbon cutting there and it's it's I don't think it's necessarily attracting any new visitors I think it's just handling uh beachfront for residents don't have beach front access and
visitors that are already here are coming anyways um instead of them encroaching on private property it allows them to have a somewhat safe and productive access so all right thank you for that the plan I'm looking at thank you mayor the plan that I'm looking at I
guess which is whatever else looking at there there is no turnaround that you're just talking about there uh there's a drive through it's a oneway circular pattern there I believe real real quick if I may Steve over here um so the plans that were originally up there were plans that were proposed a while ago the plans
that you see up there are the 60% plans that the county provided to us yeah ideally if we could have a a meeting we didn't understand they were coming here for some kind of approval but um we talked about getting rid of the bike rack for a turn around and I think that
was an agree upon uh issue as well so so you you personally I mean see neither here nor there if we get rid of say two parking places a three to two parking spots wouldn't hurt us uh there I I can't remember on the other if that's fine if it's one way around
um uh if there's a slight difference at the this point after four years we're happy just to get off center and finally build something yeah that was in in my agenda briefing yeah I I haven't seen I I don't it's been many months since I've seen the old plan we've had these plans
in for many months as well so I don't know it was my understanding in in the doing a breef not couple days ago that you know there and what I'm looking at now there is no turnaround there is no drive-thru one lane or anything else that we'd have to eliminate get rid of
the bike racker move it and get if I could um so council member Braden after your agenda briefing there were subsequent conversations where we reached out to the city's engineer that's no longer with the city and we were able to obtain plans that he
designed after um the initial ones that the county had produced so these plans that are up now these are the revised plans that we got from the one the ones that are on display right now are the 60% that the county provided us recently
Andy if you could switch to the ones that were up Ear we the revised plans now these plans right here were found in a folder um go to the go to the other one Andy so if you look at the southern end of the lot there
that this particular one gets rid of four spaces if you could click back click back to the the other one this one gets rid of only two okay um so these two specific ones that Andy just clicked
through were the date of the drawings is April 23 um but then down below it says April 24 something like that so when these were and these were done by Baskerville Donovan not by um the former city engineer so they worked on them together
with the city engineer's comments yeah based on based on the staff comment from the original 10% correct this yeah so I I think if the compromise would be the two spaces this every time we've had to redevelop it's been about a $100,000
change order so if we can somehow get this off center um we're willing to compromise I think the limitation of two spaces does provide a safety outlet so that no one has to back around technically they just drive around um it's not a perfect traffic pattern in there I think the site as it is now it's
not a perfect site uh you you have a obviously you have a backout problem now completely back out at least this wouldn't be a backout situation be someone would have to loop around and you're always going to get that hummer or that giant pickup truck that's going to cause you problems no matter how well you design a parking lot yeah well I
appreciate the spirit of compromise on that thank you coun Bagby hey mayor I'm oh oh I'm so sorry yeah I'm still out the floor thank you going um that brings up another I don't know if the issue problem what you want to call it cuz I had my general briefing Thursday I guess
when this was all released to the public and now we're seeing this why why are we getting this at the last second so I think what happened was back when Ryan was here and Ryan was working with understand all that I'm saying the question was was given to that Thursday
and this is what I was presented meeting then why are we shown this now I mean there's I know there's no motion on it so what happened was after that we back in the days when Ryan was here there was a legislative sponsor from this Council
that was directed to work with the county and the city engineer and that was council member Bagby when we got to council member bagby's agenda briefing today he asked about the plans that he and Ryan had worked on before Ryan left with Baskerville Donovan but I'm calling
them Ryan's plans for Simplicity he asked if we could bring them to the meeting tonight to show the council what he and Ryan had worked on with the county after the initial plans that the county submitted but because the engineer was gone and the city doesn't currently have an engineer there was a
lapse in knowing where those plans were and things like that and and if I may council member Thursday when we did your briefing this this was all the information we had this is what had been presented uh and based on some conversation as l this afternoon
recognizing that we knew that there were issues with this plan because of the circulation um the idea that there were some other plans that you're seeing now um I wasn't aware of that till this afternoon uh other than the fact that we
knew that um the idea of backing back out in traffic was not a good idea and there were other components of this plan that did not comply with the city's code and that's where we were working to get to so hopefully uh what we're seeing and what we're hearing tonight gets us much closer in that
direction thank you mayor all right thank you C Bagby yes it it was my fault I will take responsibility and go to the one that takes the four spaces that was the one that Ryan and I agreed on and that's one we and then I
think he subsequently talked with the county and their counter proposal was the two spaces and so uh but it it we all agree both us and the county that's time
to to move on we' we've negotiated we've counter neego iated it's just not in the cards so let's get it fixed so I'm going to ask I'm going to make a motion or no I'm just going to ask the staff to bring back these two plans after you've
consulted with the county uh for no later than the first meeting of April for us to decide which one of these two is going forward I I still and I'll just be honest with you Craig I understand yall's thing and the more the better but
we have parking spots parallel parking spots down there we have you know when once we open up our new park that we're going to hopefully have here within the next year or so should have plenty of parking spots safety is is my number one concern and I and you're right you know
if people only came down here in Priuses I would vote for your plan but I hadn't seen one and and I've got I'm surrounded by short-term rental houses they drive these monster pickup trucks and they all Drive their own monster pickup trucks so
I I'm going to probably fight for the elimination of the four spots but I I want to make sure that we reach out to y'all but no later than the first meeting in April I want to see these two plans and let the council decide and let's move on and start getting some
parking down there cuz right now one of those lots we don't have any parking lot yeah and your lsv I'm worried about the Hummer pulling your lsv oh I'll fix that okay uh councilwoman
traml I was just going to ask if um because I know the county has different standards than the city does this meet all of the city's code does not standards none of so by just choosing the two or four
spaces we're still also choosing the fact that this will not be built to our current code well what would happen is if a plan was selected by Council that doesn't meet the codes it would go to the board of adjustment for variances and your selection would be contingent
on that approval the board of adjustment didn't approve the variances it would have to come back to you for a change okay yeah there there is a I think the variance and correct me if I'm wrong it's like a buffer variance or something to set 5 foot instead of 10 there there are several variances that would be
required for this plan so the problem is is if there ever were a need for a variance as far as a physical hardship you have it here you have an existing lot that's x amount of feet and another existing lot and you can go from eight spaces to let's say 12 or 15 spaces but
then you've uh taken three million plus a million more development and you've paid 500,000 or 400,000 for the Extra Spaces each uh which is pretty pricey so that if there's a little bit of leeway that could happen there no different
than a private developer I'm sure you would give them the same consideration if they have some physical limitations and before I continue to mess up Robert R of VO can I get a second do I hear a second for this motion I'll second all right thank you all right with that uh councilwoman TR
you good all right uh councilman Schmidt thank you um just a few problems with the plans Mr Coffee and and everybody else um one our goal was to have a uh un un unobstructed View
Corridor um on these properties I believe and we still have um a little adventures Outpost section that's approximately 10 to 12 feet tall whenever the shed is there um then we have the current existing covered Pavilion on that parcel uh and then on
the other side on the lsv parking lot we have a restroom facility um so on on all these Parcels we have buildings and sheds blocking the beach view corridor still um I also find an issue that we have the bathroom on the
further Eastern parcel that we have to cross over the owned parcel by the resident to go to our Park bathroom it's going to cause a lot of problems um in the future there so I I can't I just
don't like it still um I don't support coming back to our meeting with plans that are violating our code from the very get-go um so I'll make a substitute motion to bring us back plans that meet the city of Destin's codes um as as
drawn so we can start with plans that meet our code second all right I have a motion in a second for the substitute motion yep um to to answer his question it I'm assuming the restrooms are to the the far right so when we're coming south
on the road is there anything on the two adjoining Parcels that are vertically obstructing as far as our two Parcels that we're looking at right now kind of the looping Parcels if you will is there anything from these drawings I don't look at drawings that much from our what
we currently have Pavilion is there Pavilions over there or is it all Boardwalk Pavilion on the okay and the p uh this goes back and probably Lisa or Jeff or somebody can't explain or probably our attorney we can't move the
Pavilion we we asked three times the Pavilion is part of a grant that was approved that we used they approved the layout of that land and they will not allow us to move the Pavilion basically
we have to leave the lot that is there that is improved alone alone so everything that's there is going to be there and so we and this is why part of this
development took so long was you know well we can move it over here uh with the Western lot parking area we will have fairly much and unobstructed because remember where
it comes in where the road comes in you can't see it on that diagram but it is just to the east of where where that uh is that Western two lots and so you can look off to the side and see that the
unobstructed view the terminating Vistas is really at the end of a road not as you're driving down the road so that that's what and my memory and I'll have to go back and check my notes but my
memory was uh on those lots we really can't design anything that meets all our codes and gets us more than about I can't remember but is a very small number of parking spots
because part of it is that little island up there it would have to be deeper the setbacks would have to be wider so you're going to lose at least one row of parking in those two Western Lots so there are a lot of things that the
engineers went through and this even with this trying to maximize the number of parking spots which is what the county wanted trying to make it safe which is what we wanted or at least a turnaround safer I'm not saying it's going to be completely
safe uh you know but if if the staff you got a month if you can think of some outside the box stuff knock yourself out because we tried for about two years and if I may add something to that as far as the Little Adventures that's a
temporary location the Tarpon Beach parking lot that's to be developed there was a location on there specifically developed to move that little adventures thing over to that location permanently well not that's where it would go it' be
removed at the end of the season but that's that's meant to be the the continuing location not here so all right counil M Braden almost there thank you mayor um is the county charging for parking in these parking
lots no it's actually prohibited per our inter local unless we mutually agree and then if we agree the funds have to be separated to plow back into the maintenance and upkeep of the park okay um my next comment
is I thought we the council had refrained years ago from considering or making motions on items that was not on the agenda or when we were dropped something on on the Das the night of the meeting and then here
we are getting information the day of the meeting that the Public's not privy to and we're making motions and seconding them so I guess motion is to bring it back in April though not to do any approval tonight this was just this was just
informational so I didn't make a motion but he asked me to take it I'm just direct St by the first meeting of April that's all so what we'll do is we'll get the plans put into the April agenda so that everybody has plenty of time to review it um and then
we will have this discussion again but hopefully between now and then we can finalize something that the city and the county are both the city staff and County staff are both good with for you to look at if that works thank you mayor all right C
Mel um are there our operation for these parking lots it closes at a certain time I believe they'd follow the the parks hours right so we have a way of closing them off and preventing people from parking in them at the end of the
night we might I mean probably not decided that not based on these plans so that means if this guy on that one lot decides to turn into a short-term rental currently he's got 17 parking spots in one lot and six and
another that we're we are not controlling all right thank you Council meston re thank you mayor um I noticed in the staff report that we had the possibility of requesting or the need to request six
variances um is that going to go down with the the newest plan I we staff that's just this the six that we identified on a very preliminary review so the the we can take a little bit
deeper dive on the two um that were presented tonight and try to provide a more comprehensive list but again it it it could be more um because we won't be able to do a a complete development Order review of those because that would require storm water and all that sort of
stuff so and and that's the part that probably concerns me you know variances are granted by an independent board they're not rubber stamps they're supposed to be granted either with the law or denied if the law is not there so going forward with that giant number of variances just I fear that it's just
going to put this off longer and there may be another alternative um and you may want to consider we could amend the ordinance as to Gul front parks located in Crystal Beach within blah blah blah in other words a very tight amendment
that would apply to this project only only we don't really do that I understand but that may be quicker we all want the park to go forward but going through with six maybe more variances you know you're better go to
buuy and be very lucky to get all of them approved uh so that gives me concern if there's another way to do it then we need to be looking at that too and accomplish the same goal which is to try to make it as safe and accessible without backing on to
98 one of the variances was the around right yeah so so in order to get the looping there um on the southern end we'd have to get rid of the What's called the Terminus parking Island yeah um and that plan that's up right there
on the what would be the eastern boundary of where you enter in the the southern end of the loop still doesn't meet even the minimum width of a one way which is 20 ft I think that's 16.8 something feet so um yeah so that that's
that's not even identified in your all's staff report because staff again didn't review this one we looked at the the 60% that was provided to to us for the staff report so um yeah okay so I do have the substitute
motion um on the table to bring back plans that would have zero variances is that correct C mment that meet the current code yeah so zero variances all right so I will call that
vote okay I just have it we see who voted y can you switch it over to the vote I have it 52 please uh you should know by next meeting if you if that is a possible task because I
don't think that's a possible task to be honest with you other than you have like four parking spots out there and so so will you please try to have a is that doable by the next meeting for staff to
develop that plan for or for a a plan with that requires no variances which is what the motion is that passed to come back before for us by the first meeting in April staff will not be able to draw that plan up but you will be able to
reach out to the engineers that drw up those two plans right if that's what you're requesting yes well you we can look at some conceptuals we'll have to give them that direction um I I do know there's is there bathrooms at the Pavilion yes it's there
now so there are bathrooms already there so that's why the bathrooms were at the other place the vistas I think uh we lost those with the third lot uh the fact and that was between Destin's contract and and the uh land for public trust and I'm not sure if your current
parking meet standard so you might want to even check that too because I I'm willing to bet it probably does not so just just saying uh you obviously built that before so just throw that out yeah with that um M if I might just make one
comment please we just passed a a motion that killed the development of this park basically unfortunately I'm not sure that everyone understood that when they voted and if that's not what you intended to do I'd encourage you to make a motion to reconsider what what engineer what
engineer Drew this up right mayor who drew this up who who what engineer Drew this up basard alinan uh drew it up and they were jointly selected by us uh in in the city uh this
is our third revision we probably spent over 400,000 so far our third or does even meet our requirements well again compromise we did work closely with staff throughout the whole thing this the first time I hear in six variances but we knew there was a a variance or
two as far as the setbacks but we never got to the point of of review we kept doing 60% and we can never get permit set because we don't want to get past this and do a full permit set and then have to redesign it all again so we're trying to get to a uh a level that's
everyone could agree on site plan let us do final design and and get this thing built but if we start back from scratch and they all meet standard yeah we we need to figure out how to how to get reimbursed then on the on the land and U Back because interlocal has a a timeliness component to it which we've
been patient with and work with you but it's getting yeah basically it's troubling to me that we that our Engineers or whoever Drew up you know is bringing it back and it doesn't even me codes and stuff so I mean I and I I'd be I'd be just as happy to sell the
property and give you money back myself and that may be the result of this motion and if that's what the council intends I hope everybody understands what they're doing you repeat your motion yeah Ray do you have it or cman Schmidt I don't know which motion would
you like me to read the one that just currently passed the substitute two bring back plans that meet the city of Destiny codes yeah to bring back plans that would meet the city of Destin's current code current code required no Vari that
that can't be done so our alternative is to sell it which may be the the rationale behind it anyway but we've just thrown away all the money that the county and we have spent button button keep this going we've just thrown away all the money in the county the county and we have spent in the planning for
years by saying you have to bring back a plan that complies with all the codes and has no variances it can't be done and we tore down a $25 million house probably probably 5 million today but then I'd like to reconsider my vote because I thought it was just to bring it back by the next month that's a
motion to reconsider I'd like to make a motion to reconsider the vote second all right this is newe for me Kim is that for this meeting yes all right so I have motion a second um and then I
got a little bit glitched up here on the discussion councilman babby do you have anything else to consider no I think councilman Dustin you got your thing all right Council M and this is just I agree with councilman uh Braden on this I mean if you hire an
engineering firm to give you a design and they give you a design that doesn't meet the Florida building code or our Destin I'm sorry our Destin uh building code or or Land Development code or ordinances they didn't do their job so if they're charging you for not doing
their job we shouldn't be paying them um their jobs to develop a parking lot or or whatever the order was that meets the code so if they're charging you $400,000 for keep going back going back if you're the one asking them to to build the variances then that's your fault that
has nothing to do with any cost procured from from us it should be that the order should have been develop the parking lot that meets the the current ordinance current codes and and move forward so if if that cost is a burden upon you maybe you shouldn't have asked for the
variances all right with that I have a motion in a second for reconsideration I'll call the vote from the affirmative mayor question to speak on that all right do you want to go yeah go ahead thank you um everything we do and
and I have in the past eight years since been here we we change it we don't do stuff that's not to our code and you know we make if we're making everybody else do it then we do it too so if we're going to go back to this Shady business or corrupt
business or whatever I don't want any part of it whatsoever hey thank you all right we still have the vote out be 43 you like then C Bren I'm
not you have to vote I mean you can vote against it but you have to vote you can either give us a reason for abstaining you can vote no or yes all right per Florida State statue okay thank you all right four three the consideration is
affirmed Ray I mean Kim what does this mean it means you can continue talking about it and make a different decision okay please C May Mr Mayor I'll make a motion oh sorry I couldn't press the button okay I I was just going to ask um because Tori does this for a living he
has a very good idea and I don't know if Mr Coffee can come back up but is there a way that we could re-engage with who we contracted in the joint venture with this donaville or whatever group that was supposed to design this parking lot
where it was within code are at least to where we were doing the right thing to start with yeah and I'll I'll just say I think that based on the guidance they got from both staffs they designed the maximum way within code I think if they
designed with K cold you probably wouldn't have a parking lot on either side um and uh your staff was wanting lsvs and they we wanted a certain number of parking uh so I think if you designed your current code not taking any
account any of the physical hardships of the limitation lot limitations you would essentially have no parking for the millions invested in the parking lot I mean you'd have no really gain parking at all very little and again we can look
at some concept Concepts and we'll be happy to come back to you and look at that but you're you're not going to have I mean if you if you never give a variance you probably don't need a board of adjustments then because I assume that's what it is for physical hardships that you can't be code uh so all right councilwoman traml and I
got a whole line that's reconnect I was just going to say in the future before we ever started any joint projects with the county no offense to the county may maybe we should have a memo of understanding before we start that it's either going to meet our codes even
though we're sharing this property that's why the confusion is happening right now we have two separate entities with two separate sets of codes and and we're sharing that so if we have have anou prior to starting as to which code
goes then we won't be entering into this whole issue to begin with cman Schmidt we say our code goes because we're in the city yeah your your code is specified it goes yeah thank you um I'll go ahead and
throw out a motion Mr Mayor um I'll move that uh City attorney and City maner manager bring us back with staff plans with the county for the two Western Parcels only and to also bring
us back the option of listing the Eastern portion to be sold all right I have a motion on the floor second second in councilman guile councilman gu you're up for discussion we got a question for staff I
was just told that uh you all are the ones that asked them to design the parking lot not according to our code and to ask for variances is that is that accurate No staff didn't ask we we said that if you're going to design it for
this there will be let me let me backtrack a little bit I was not part of the conversations in general but when the plans were presented to me as the principal principal planner when it was it was very clear from the very beginning that variances were going to
have to be requested so I don't know what the conversations were between the former engineer and bask for Donovan and the county specifically but I can't imagine that any staff member from Community
Development in the engineering division or planning would have said design it and we'll get variances later that that that does not make any sense thank you all right it's got clear but I believe councilman Bren were you up okay anyone
else wishing to speak councilman Bagby yeah so uh I think we're all getting wrapped around a little Axel here so see I'm going to ask you you said put up the minus four
plan the plan that has the minus four parking spots that the county was our proposal to the county because I don't know about any of the conversations Ryan had with basketball Donovan or the county and we got back to the
okay what are the variances that you know can speak to now that would be required for this plan just one at a time all right I apologize to anyone if I get you
in the eyes Okay pointing at you Ken all right so the very first one is throat clearance from property line right there there's a 40ft throat clearance so right off the bat these
nine spaces would have to go okay okay so hang on so what he's telling you is the depth of the opening right the throat clearance correct has to be 40 ft correct is it 40 ft now in
the current parking lot in the current design or the current parking lot no I don't believe no it it's not okay so we're we're just going to go about one by one because you know what go ahead real real quick that 40 foot throat clearance is wable by the city engineer
yeah okay second one which we don't have by the way yeah we we we did and hope it's city engineer or doesn't me so at that point I think it's me yeah I would I would not make that in a silo okay um
the next one is at the Terminus of every parking row there has to be a 100 square ft parking island with a tree and the minimum dimensions of that is 10 feet 10 ft right okay so what he's saying is
where where it's turning right there there would be a little half semicircle or a square or a rectangle of 10 by 20 because it would be two parking spots it would just have to beet 100 minimum of 100 square ft okay and and the reason
they probably didn't put that in is and we don't have that now but that's because we don't have a turnaround we only have pull in and back that big truck out okay so yes I I understand why they did that and that
was why the city said take the additional two parking spots because that gives you turnaround because you you want to protect the cars that are on those in parking spots I would assume correct Okay the third variance that you
see I can't tell specifically but on the yeah the setbacks don't meet trust me yeah the setbacks here and here yes so those would be two individual because this is a residential lot and this is a
um a I think a mixed use lot yes so two different zoning districts so and I can't remember if we meet the setbacks now on the Eastern side of the lot that we have really don't care about the western side because there's nothing
there right well we we we would care for setback purposes per theod no no I mean currently currently currently I don't think it need the setbacks on the Eastern side as it stands right now no because we are own it and it's vacant okay thank you next variance that we're
going to may have to request you know what just stop I I think I think I've made my point I think you've helped me make my point this this got designed this got built because we wanted to put parking out in Crystal Beach to help the
short-term rentals and the and the tourists and the citizens to go to the beach and we got money we got help we've worked with the county we've got design and I think what you're seeing is the
best that probably Bas real Donovan could do with competing interests okay and I see Craig shaking his head cuz City didn't get everything it wanted County didn't get everything it wanted we're we're taking a park that doesn't meet the code right now I think
you could do the setbacks you could solve the setback issue and probably the throat issue and probably the little turnaround Island thing if you went from the parking spots on those two Western Lots down to about
eight or 12 parking spots into the County's Point 12 parking spots for all the money we spent on those two lots and those two projects just didn't provide any Roi and and you're right the the board
of adjustment as independent body and if they say no but some of these variances are actually waiverable by the city by the city staff not having to go to the board of adjustments correct correct
correct so that's why I made the motion I did I I I get what you're saying but I won't support that motion because it is time to move on with developing the property that we own out in Crystal
Beach to service our citizens our residents our visitors and everybody else so real quick on this plan right here I think something that would help mitigate parking not where it's
shouldn't be allowed is on that southern end right there just some sort of physical concrete raised curbing a few we feet wide the width the length of the the parking spaces just to prevent anyone from you know seeing it clear and
then striping the south side of it as no loading disagree that's why my original motion had a month for you guys to work with the county to say let's make this better but we're not going to solve all the world's issues here and the perfect is the object enemy of the good enough
on this issue Council MC so one thing we need to be very clear of this whole thing was a mistake right we thought we were purchasing three consecutive properties turns out we weren't there was one separated by a
building at one point we talked about trying to do a trade purchase and and what you're trying to do is is fix a previous mistake which we probably should have just gave up on if we can't meet the current ordinances and if any Builder comes up here just like the people on Airport Road that wanted to
build the tow houses right there at that curve we didn't give them a variance and ordinance but now we're going to say but that's okay we're going to do it for ourselves I'm with with Rodney Braden on this um to in my opinion cut our losses we
should have cut our losses when the the previous uh city manager and his Deputy city manager made the mistake make we should have backed out of it then I say we sell them all and and move forward coun Braden yeah it's kind of
the same thing I was going to say if a developer brings something similar to this to us are we going to Grant him all these variances and like we're doing ourselves tonight not don't we don't Grant variances guys
most of these variances would be granted by the board of adjustment there a throat clearance that the city engineer which we don't have would have been able to do but most of none of them come to the council other than the main plan so so the council can't override the board
of adjustments you can't override the board of adjustment but what you can do is change the code because you're the city council so there's that thank thank you mayor council schit yeah I just a couple of comments Mr Bagby and others are made that just I
want to speak to I mean the the goal when we spent the millions of dollars was to build parking lots to put cars to get people to the beach no the goal when the people that voted to buy these because not everybody did was to buy I think to buy beachfront
property to get people on on the beach not to build illegal parking lots and to see how many cars and lsvs we can put on it the goal is to is to is to put people on the white sand I believe um
and and we can do that we can do that and to say that they can't bring plans that meet our code you're wrong you can you can bring plans that meet our code it just won't be the plans that the county wants and some of us might not
want but it can be done and if that can be done while also meeting the goal of still allowing people to go to the white sand then I think I think we're going to make people happy um and so yeah I just don't think that it's completely accurate what you're saying you know in
my opinion for for all of us to that was the goal that wasn't the goal um to put a bunch of cars in a parking lot so um I think it's good and I hope we can I hope we can move forward and fix the mistakes that were made unfortunately and and
just still get some people down there on some of that white beautiful beach councilman Dustin thank you mayor just just a couple of points there are not separate parking standards for public parks and Commercial we're
applying commercial standards to this public park the unfortunate part is that the amount of property we can acquire on the beach to put parks in is very limited and very precious um so if we have to ask for
variances we will we'll see which ones we get we can also amend the ordinances to say that these standards don't apply to public beach parks on the gulf that we have to relax a little so we can actually have a park and and we're not trying to maximize parking we're just trying to
get some parking if you'll drive down there you'll see that we have parks there and Parks all over the city that have no parking it's a neighborhood park if that's what you envision this to be is a neighborhood park and no parking at all for the public well then a neighborhood
park it should be but it should not be abandoned completely because this is the years and years and years worth of work to acquire some beachfront property and the compromise is that we'll get some variances perhaps we'll amend the
ordinance to apply to Gulf front Parks now just so we're clear on where we're going we have a motion in front of us to reconsider if that motion the reconsider has passed reconsider that is pass if that if that motion does not pass on this
reconsideration then we fall back to Mr bagby's motion which is to the reconsider has already passed I'm sorry the reconsidered motion has passed we'll have to pass on whether we're going to vote in favor of it or not ah okay so we will be voting reconsider means we'll
vote again on that motion if it does not pass then we fall back to the motion that Mr Bagby made which is that we allow the staff and the county to come back with vacating for the spaces and see how close they can get it to the code and then we make a decision we make
a decision at that point whether we send it to the board of adjustments at all but the motion we passed tonight means this park is dead other than as a neighborhood park with no parking and I know that some of us are favoring selling it I would think that would be a
bad thing as hard as we work to get Gulf front Parks so if this motion to reconsider as we vote again if that fails we go back to Mr bagby's which was the original motion which I think is a reasonable way to proceed to see how many of these problem we can
fix oh thank you look at that my first microphone comment oh my God losing up here all right yeah we're back to Kevin's substitute but we're on a substitute motion before we go down that path all right you all tested me tonight all right Cosman Bagby you got
last thoughts before yeah I would say as the only resident of Crystal Beach here I'd love to have a neighborhood park that the city spent millions of dollars for take out all the parking and you know we can just walk or ride our little uh golf carts or
whatever we want to do or bicycles down to our little uh pocket park I think this would be the first pocket you know great pocket park that so I I agree with you that we did not
uh purchase the land to maximize parking we purchased the land to meet our our goals and our strategic plan of providing beach access to our citizens and our visitors uh having said that I also know
that we had a partner and the partner when you go in in business with a partner they get a say too and uh they do have a goal uh you know all the people that live in
Kelly or rata or the or the county north of the bridge even that want to come to the beach and that's why they put their half of that money in was to provide access to all those people not to people like me that can I can walk down there I've
walked by there I can't even tell you how many times I've walked down there but there's a lot so uh I'm I'm just I think we're trying to be a good partner try to get a plan that we can agree with that's workable and and I don't know how the
board of uh adjustments going to vote on some of these very you know the setbacks okay the throat width okay I agree with the concrete curb you know so that we protect the cars on the end you know when those big
trucks time I don't know how that's but to to sell a lot I don't think we should do that because because we're not making any more Gulf front lots and we have gone through hell just to get that
locked and it's been sitting there for a couple of years and maybe it is time to sell it but I I won't be the one that votes for that because I know the people out there in Crystal Beach uh want it want that access and I know there are people in this town that don't live in
Crystal Beach that want it and they want us to do something with it that would be like if we decided to sell the parcel in the harbor because it's so valuable and it's got oh no parking on it
so all right I'm going to call the vote but for transparency we have mayor yes we have I'm sorry go ahead this is the subtitute this is the substitute motion may I clarify please from based on what Mr Dy said okay so before we go to Dewey we do
have a substitute on the floor I understand sir okay I just wanted to make sure that I got everything gotcha uh covered okay motion to reconsider pass 4 to3 So based on what cust Des said we go back to uh um council member
bag's motion okay Council needs to vote on council member Schmidt's substitute motion now original the original not the current one that meet the cestin codes
okay all right everyone good with that yes because we got to go back through the reconsideration before just to clarify I believe if the matter is reconsidered it goes back as if it has never been decided yeah we're voting on now your
substitute to voting on what you first said yeah to your original sub motion no variance project gotta yall are watching how the sausage is made all right we'll call the
vote all right 34 Mo The Substitute original motion dies now now we go back to councilman bagby's motion for to bring this back in the first meeting in April Mr Mayor I'll
make a substitute motion to made why not please explain to us with the microphone if you don't mind so I can hear you because we could be here till 3:00 in the morning with you making substitute motions that's why you get your you got your chance to make your substitute
motion you don't get to keep making additional substitute motions without consideration of the primary thank you for all right so we are back to the original motion was councilman bagley's motion if you want to bring it back to
the council the two plans the one the minus four parking spots and the other one the minus two parking spots after the staff meets with counties to make any CH with the county to make any changes for our consideration of Passage all right and I believe that was a
seconded by councilman Dustin Ray by councilwoman AAR got make sure we get these minutes right yeah I ran out of space on here to for my chicken scratch all right so we'll call the
vote coming I'll just say that I hope our uh staff does what the council has ordered them to do and what the charter says and what all of our codes say and everything else and bring us back it's going to be the best for the city of Dustin all
right yeah Ray we good you good personally all right all right city manager thank you Mr mayor council the next item is 4E which is um at your last council meeting
uh we were asked to bring back some more information regarding the um TDC funds that we are provided for by the county each year which is the uh 48% of the 12 a half% that the tdt that goes to the
municipal municipalities uh what was identified at the previous meeting was this year or for FY 26 that amount was uh 1.9 million and uh we were asked bring back some
details of that spending plan which is in your packet uh you'll see that there is a matrix there that shows the detailed description including salaries Contract Services utilities risk management Insurance repairs maintenance operating janitorial and the numbers
that you see that are being funded out of that tdt uh amount that's being provided to the city uh those funds are are budgeted amounts that are are reimbursable out of the what we're
calling the bucket of our funds that the county holds um if those amounts are not realized in our expenditures they're not U drawn down from the bucket however
what the excess amounts uh in um excess of those budgeted amounts will remain in the budget in the bucket for um discretionary spending based on approvals from that the expenses are uh
approved tdt um expenses so through that process we we recognized something that's very beneficial to the city that the way it was presented to us for the FY 26 the 1.9 million was not net of the
$750,000 repayment as part of a loan that um the tdt is paying the city is paying back the tdt out of that bucket of money but in the two previous prior years the number the amount that was
presented to the city was net of the $750,000 so in this process we realized a $1.5 million allocation that remained in The Bu bucket uh of funds that now becomes at your
disposal so with all that said and done um there there is 1746 uh $426 in the bucket that's available for council discretion of spending the 591
987 is the remaining balance for the FY 26 budget cycle that is available to be programmed into next year's budget but the 1 1 million 1,1 54,4
$39 is currently available and sitting in the bucket available for to be spent at your discretion at the approval of an approved TDC expense so uh that's what we're bringing
back for uh information um and uh as you consider the 1.1 million I would bring your attention that um or the 1.7 million actually um we had a meeting in this room last week with Triumph G Coast
board of directors had some real good conversation with members of that board and members of the T of the Triumph staff if you're if you're aware of Triumph they have they're currently sitting on $800 million that they need to spend
somewhere we need to try to help them spend that money um so we're we are working on the process to do that but two things to keep in mind Triumph will not be the first money in a project nor do they want to be the most money so at staff level we're having a meeting
Wednesday and we're including our tdt partners our chamber partners and Sheriff's Office to look at what we have in the queue today that we may be able to present to Triumph for funding you may consider holding on to this 1.7
million that if we come up with something that and let me back up once we uh go through the the process internally we're going to put some uh arguments together to take to Triumph staff within the next couple of weeks to
say does this how Merit and if it does we're going to need some money to match up with those uh funds to procure that Trum funding so just keep that in mind as you look at uh how you want to allocate this 1.7 million um in the near
future it's it's certainly at your discretion but there is the ability to use it to leverage some greater funds um that may be there on the table before us so just wanted to bring that to your attention as part of this conversation all right thank you sir uh C
Schmidt thank you and thank you Larry and staff for going back and working on this and finding money after doing all that um I I'm not a big fan of of how we allocate the $600,000 towards B Beach and Boardwalk operations but I'm going
to let that be for now since the budget has already passed for this year and uh I don't want to have to go to the general fund and find money to fund that today but for the future I will hopefully work towards trying to figure out how to fix that um but I will make a
motion um and I will move to authorize the city manager to sign and submit the expenditure plans for the Beach and Boardwalk operations the advaned funding agreement annual
payment in addition to uh and you can correct me if you want to somebody but adding 300,000 towards the pickle ball uh Finance bucket and 300,000 to the Morgan Sports
Complex uh ongoing project Fieldhouse bathroom situation project leaving still $1.1 million in your your money Bank there so that's my I'll second that all right it's a
great idea I got a motion and I got second by councilwoman AAR any further discussions uh Council Bagby uh question for staff how much do we think just rough Ballpark and
undergrounding of uh the walkway at stalman and 98 would cost based on our conversation with our Consulting engineer probably 12 to 15 million
okay and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the if I remember the undergrounding at the East End of 30A the county put in money the TDC put
in money and I thought that they got some Triumph money for that project also do you know if that's I don't think it was Triumph money I think it was TPO funded through TPO andate would hesitate to think it was Triumph money yeah and then they uh doesn't mean we can't take
a shot at it and they gave up the land for free on both Parcels well of course one of them is a Triumph board member okay yeah the I'm sorry that was my outside voice okay the uh did but
Triumph did fund the bypass up at crest you right so they they help fund 66 million yes sir uh because I'm thinking that might be a way to get some money not all of it but some money if we can put together
fdot TPO money a little bit of our money maybe some tdd money and some Triumph money we might be able to move those thousands of people to the harbor and get them off of the the 98
surface okay thanks right any other discussion motion we're proposing to take how many 100, 600 out of out of
1.7 PDC bucket that comes out correct there's 1.1 from the previous year and then there's going to be 591 th000 coming available for the FY 26 next year I think I saw in the report that there
was some expenditures or that we were going to owe on the development of these Park and we weren't really sure what they might be I'll throw that to Crystal the um the amounts covered under that interlocal agreement to build Crystal uh Shores at Crystal Beach and Tarpon Beach
Parks uh have been awarded by the TDC to the city so those uh that interlocal agreement is covered at this moment with a little buffer in case the uh construction comes in higher anticipated okay so that is covered at this moment yes sir and the and the buffer we have
is how much um the interlocal agreement balance owed by the city is about 2.1 million and we have awarded to us in TDC money uh 2.7 million so we've got $600,000 uh
buffer okay and and we will be allocating that buffer tonight if we support this motion uh we would have to um reduce those prior Year Awards well that's probably not something that the only problem I have with this
is not being able to really look at it closely other than tonight yeah and so you know it uh to to vote to allocate money tonight I I would rather see it at the next meeting to give us a chance to
really look at the issue I'll offer substitute to have that decision made at the next meeting and by the way I just want to mention the deadline for these requests for the 2026 Appropriations were due to the county on March 1st so we're past the deadline at
this point well that's not very good planning is it doesn't really matter who's our rep the TDC oh that's right Kevin's a ref now we're already pass it's a
recommendation it's not like a requirement but we also asked staff to bring this back tonight with recommendations and the only recommendations they gave us was Beach and Boardwalk and the 700,000 in our local you know amount so staff didn't give us
any more recommendations than we asked them to so we've already delayed it two more weeks to get where we are tonight so um can you restate your comment about when he's worried about going backwards I want to make sure we're on the same
page between what you said what you said we have a buffer of about 600,000 2.7 is awarded we have 2.1 owed that's correct and how does that affect the 1.7 it doesn't okay how about if uh TDC bed tax
goes down this year does that affect what we're going to get that's why the TDC estimate of revenues for next year are about $700,000 lower than they were for fy2 so I I believe the TDC is anticipating
that the bed tax collections will go down this year and next year and they've baked that into the numbers they've provided to us and so we're playing pretty closely with our buffer the other rule is that we're supposed to expend the funds within five
years of uh it being allocated to the city of dtin so it's I I think that we're in a good situation and um not anyone's asking my opinion but I think that um Kevin's recommendation to put
some towards pickle ball and uh the Morgan Sports Fieldhouse is probably a good idea just as well as uh city manager Larry also is making it known that 1.1 million of it we can ask for
any time it's in their Bank available today uh the 1.9 million of which we're going to ask for next year 's um loan payment and next year's Beach operations that 1.9
million doesn't come available until after September um but this one this other 1.1 million is available right now um and could help us cover these the pickle ball and field house costs
okay all right I still have my motion in second cman gal Crystal I just wanted you to know I've been on the board here so that I could ask your opinion so when you said nobody's asking I just hadn't had the opportunity yet I recognized that you're
the finance Guru of this city and I I appreciate your your uh opinion on the matter cman Bagby okay so did you withdraw your substitute or not withdraw your substitute I know that I got a second I did I second sub would bring it back at
the next meeting and it appears that is that going to run us a foul of the spended within five years or the deadline we've already missed any more than we've already run a foul of
those that's a question for our grants manager I think there's probably some flexibility there okay and just just so you know I I seconded it because I I'm all in on the 300,000 or whatever the number was for
the pickle ball I'm not sure all the Improvement that are covered in the 300 or 400 th whatever the number was for and I thought it was for the community center not Morgans but if it's for Morgans okay I but again I'm not sure
what I'm voting on and I want to see the what it is I'm voting on The Fieldhouse is Lisa if you want to talk to that or I can rattle some knowledge off of the Fieldhouse it's going to be the B it's the restrooms for the soccer fields plus a place for their equipment to be stored
word above and beyond the barn shed we have back there and all I add as far as the pickleball goes I've already had conversations uh with the county and they said that that would be an eligible expense tell you what I will withdraw my
substitute since all of you all think that this is a good idea hopefully it will turn out that way all right Kevin all right Kevin's happy now hey I'm with him on this I I'm happy all right call the vote this is for the
main that that was a custom R have to retype it all right 70 on the original motion made by councilman Schmidt yeah good stuff Larry I'm uh it thank you item 4f is just a update on the community center exterior building envelope inspection uh
you approved at the last meeting for us not to expend more than $14,100 we signed a contract with beci for 9500 to produce that uh document um based on what comes back from there we may ask at
a future date to allow them to help us draft some uh bid documents to be sure uh what they've identified does get put forward appropriately in the bid documents but we'll uh address that when that comes back so there's no action needed on that
tonight um item 4G is the park master plan um U at the February 3rd meeting Mr D asked us to bring back the uh master plan for the uh Parks and Recreation um
after the visioning session uh we have the visiting session and this is the first meeting thereafter so that's back before you for uh discussion consideration if you recall at that meeting there was some discussion about whether there were components of it that needed to be done or maybe we could uh
modify that uh to some degree and that's certainly on the table uh I can tell you that from the visioning session what we took away and that we began already a process is that Parks pocket Parks uh land Landscaping trees are very
important to council and very big part of the council's vision of moving forward so uh to that end we've asked our staff to put together a couple of things one is all of the available Parcels that could be utilized as a park
as a pocket park or some green space uh uh to look at how we may improve our Landscaping how we may plant some more trees uh and then to create a a prototype pocket park and kind of have a
plug in place set up that if we've got a 10,000 squ foot right away that we can clear and put some amenities on this would fit there and this is how much it cost and then we do a a kind of an olart
menu that if we got a 12T rway to a waterfront somewhere we could put two benches out there for X um so that process processes in the mix so what we would suggest that whatever Direction you take with the U master plan that is
a valuable tool in us moving some of the the U components of the council's vision forward in in the things that I just discussed but we provide that information to Perez planning along with the mobility fee the SRS plan and the other studies that have been done in the
city and quite frankly u in their procurement documents it's says we will provide those to them to utilize in their study so um those things we intend to provide to PR we will provide them with a A list of available parcels and
what developing those into some version of a pocket park pocket park may look like or may cost um so um taking away what we brought from that component of the visioning that we will include into this moving forward based on what
whatever Direction you give us to further that all right thank you L with that Council Schmid I'll make a motion and I have discussion right I'll move that the city council approve the agreement and work authorization number one with Perez planning and design LLC for RFP 2403 Rec Parks and Recreation
master plan and direct the city manager to execute both documents all right have a motion second that got a second by Council woman treml uh Council woman AB oh oh I'm sorry I'm sorry yeah yes sir okay um Larry
all due respect he kind of lost me um I don't know what the pocket Parks had anything to do with the park master plan um I'm not saying we haven't talked about par pocket parks in the past but the vision
session I don't recall that being a big item that we talked about the vision session and a lot of us weren't even there unfortunately because of other circumstances um me personally I would I would execute this contract and then I
would let the task orders execute all those meetings to then figure out that Vision between the council and the citizens and the workshop and all that I don't support the half of what you said about giving them this pocket park idea
because I don't in my we have not as a council made that decision um I support this execution of this contract and then following those steps that's that's my only request and that's what I hope happens yes sir all
rightor yeah uh thanks mayor and uh to kind of camp on what Kevin just said that's exactly why I was like wait a minute I want to ask a question did I miss something because I didn't hear anything about pocket Parks but I wasn't at the session so I'd never heard about
pocket Parks been up here for going on five years so I don't know where that did that come up during visioning was that something that was y'all were all talking about yes ma'am it's possible there was discussions of it but there's a there's
discussions about a lot of things that not I mean honestly not about a lot of the things at that Vision session there was some good presentations but you know we all had talks about parks are important we all talked about that but no there was no major let's get some more pocket parks in the city of D I
didn't take it I didn't take that okay cuz I I personally know I'm not pushing for that I like the park idea that we've already got that are very well established places that are parks and we have beautiful ones we've had some paint work done thanks to Miss Young out there
Dr Young's taking care of getting down there at the Leonard D and that wall is fantastic I mean I'd like our parks to be Parks not like pocket Parks so if that came up I hate that I missed it because I don't think that's really the best use of some of our pieces of land
so I just want to make that on the record I'm not in favor of pocket Parks I don't know who it came out of I think parks that we've already established and we're spending money on and getting grant money on at the beaches at the areas in town that you know are very well established and they make sense um
that's my opinion that's my thoughts yes ma'am councilwoman treml yeah um pocket Parks were brought up but basically what it is and I've asked for this before here and both as a uh Parks and Rec
chair I would like this group to identify land that we have available for anything that has not already been identified by SRS and all of this kind of stuff in my neighborhood there's already places that I know belong to the
city that if all the city did was go clear it off it would be a great meeting spot for people in my community but we don't have as staff they don't have a list of where that is they don't have an
idea of where that is neither neither does a lot of the community uh committees that we have so that's where the word pocket park came in because they're not big enough for Morgans or they're not big enough for for any of the ones we've already
identified these are just some little pieces you know we identified the rights of way that led to the water that would give us greater access to the water but we haven't done anything with it so
that's really what those kinds of things if they have ideas if they know something that could come up you know let them tell me but yes they're going to go ahead and evaluate all the master plan and they're going to do that but part of the master plan needs to identify what what all those itty bitty
pieces are that we own I don't I don't know them all but all all of a sudden you go by a vacant lot and you go look it up and you go the city owns that I didn't know the city owned that you know those kinds of things um but that's really what pocket park is all about
it's it's not a it's not really a development it's not anything big it may just be clearing off a piece of property that the city owns or or you know cutting down the bushes underneath the trees and leave the trees or something but um that would be great for our
little communities to have little bitty dogs dog parks in the middle of their neighborhood or something like that where you could meet but that's that's the idea of pocket parks and to add just some verbage or clarification I'm assuming that's that's more of the RightWay easements that we own is what you're talking about when it
comes to that no there are others that are not RightWay e that we just have Parcels we just have part they're not they're not big enough for a house they're just a piece yeah of something okay and and so those are the kinds of things that I think we all need to know about gotcha maybe we got another use
for I don't know but if somebody will go find them we can talk about it all right Council mtin yeah I think Sandy made the point this is pocket park that doesn't mean anything anyway this is about identifying the parcels that we have and seen if there's anything we can do with
them and and I do support that and did at the visioning session so city manager just didn't make it up we need to see where those Parcels are and let them incorporate it into this master plan of course spending another $200,000 on another study that looks to me like it duplicates some of the studies we just
got through with I'm not so sure that's a grand idea but after all you know we we're real good at spending money on studies yeah well but this study focuses on Parks which we said was number one at the visioning session all right councilman Bagby yeah
I I agree with both the previous two speakers this is just small you know big enough to put a bench in or a picnic table or something where people can go sit and relax and read a book or you know walk their dog it it we're not
talking Morgan's Sports Center here or anything like that and it's there's little triangular pieces that got cut out of developments you know if you think about later on we're going to talk about vacating you know if we had maintained that that could have been a
pocket park with a running track all the way around that neighborhood if you included the uh thing it probably wouldn't have cost that much but we'll probably vacate all right c m two years ago we had a list of all the
properties in Destin we got an Excel spreadsheet I don't remember what that was for ra do you recall that of all the properties that and easements in Destin there was a Excel spreadsheet we had a topic at hand and there was maybe 20 25 properties on that list do you remember
that Sir Mr Bailey yes sir I don't but I can research it all right I apologize I know we got that list because it was for something that we requested at one point wasn't that in connection with SRS they were putting together okay so that that information
is out there we have that information already compiled somewhere and it was presented to us not all of two years ago um but referring back to these little pocket park ideas one we got to clear it then we got to maintain it now you're talking about dog park so that means some of our staff are going to have to
go clean up dog crap on out of little connect collection facilities we're going to have to have people draining waste baskets why don't we focus on the parks we have we've already had comments on the parks we have established I think our staff needs to focus on those parks
and and not waste our time money and resources on tiny little pocket Parks throughout the city uh councilman bradden thank you that was one question question I have do we have to maintain these pocket Parks yes
sir and and before we would even entertain the idea of developing one it would certainly be at council's discretion and Direction you know we just and we'd have to budget for the maintenance of those parks and that kind of thing if if we get approv from
Council to move forward with them we would certainly have to have a budget to maintain them yes sir and so that's be a whole part of the process or the neighbors that are using that little Park might be happy about it right Jim and just be like hey it's we'll rake it up like half of us do with our easements
and our property out in front of our house we have to cut the grass even though it's not ours we can't park cars on it we can't grow a tree on it but we have to maintain it so I think we could cross that bridge when the time comes and and if I if I may Mr Mayor to council member G's comment you're right
part of that staff Direction was to also look at the existing parks and what we need to make sure they are those world class facilities that we talked about in the visioning session so that it was a component of it C BR you good yeah no I'm still good
I I knew we threw Robert's Rules out the window a long time ago and it's just a freefor all tonight but um um my other question was was the visioning session was that recorded yes sir can I get a copy of
that please I'd love to hear the discuss discussion on the pocket Parks yes sir thank you mayor that's all I have thank you thank you sir CI Mr bra I just want to clarify just in case it's needed this we this is the only chance we get to talk I mean for for for everybody I
believe my just two cents uh I think we're getting a little bit wrapped up in the semantics of the park master plan contract here U this is a document and a contract that I believe has been the
works for needed and this will be the first time in the city of Dustin's history that we will put this thing together right um so I think there's going to be a lot that comes out of this when we execute it
hopefully um and I think a pocket park conversation is just going to be one little piece of it but this is also a Parks and Recreation master plan so there's there's a lot to it um I just didn't want you think this was is all about pocket Parks there's just a case
but yeah thank you I'm excited all right I see no further discussion call the vote uh the motion is to approve as written all right 70 so moved all right H information we're
getting to the public hearings very soon I might just bring one thing to we'll get to public hearings and take a break one um the council attention their March 17th meeting it appears now
that three members will not be in attendance we've got a executive session we've got a CRA board meetings and we've got a regular council meeting that night that if we happen to lose one additional council member we won't have a quorum
for any of those three so if if any of you think that you may not any of the four U think you may not be able to attend let us know as soon as you can so we can make whatever uh announcements we need to make
accordingly all right thank you s any further information announcements yes Dr T thank you thank you mayor and thank you Council the Town Center master plan was brought up at our recent visioning session so we wanted everyone to know that we did speak with Merill
and giano from SRS a few weeks ago and they said they'll be sending the master plan package including all the narratives the week of March 10th so you will have that the second after we have it the Destin fishing Hall of Fame will be this Friday at 10: a.m. at the
community center this year there will be four inductees William Frank Davis Senior HF chubby Deston buddy Gentry and Cecil Leonard Woodward and the public is invited to attend that on March 11th at 5:30 p.m. there will be a public works
public safety meeting here at the annex among other items there will be information discussed about ebikes and we know that's been a popular topic lately so of course the public is invited to attend that at our next council meeting on March 17th we'll have Terry Shaw and Lindsay slatback from
kimley horn presenting regarding intelligent intersections and intelligent Transportation Systems that's what mayor Wagner was referencing earlier and thank you to him for um setting up the contact for us staff before that council meeting on the
17th we'll have a 5:30 pm um CRA board meeting this one is something that our locals asked for so we wanted to mention it we are doing a spring break camp this year at the Dustin Community Center it's for ages 5 to 12 and it'll run during our local spring break March 17th
through March 21st pre-registration is required and it's $150 for Dustin residents and $180 for nestin residents there's going to be water park days and Recreation and arts and crafts days and different activities Camp will run from
9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. at the last council meeting uh Council directed staff to provide information about the utility box wraps that we previously did and we were asked specifically about prices those prices
range from $1,000 to $1,632 based on the size of the box we had um a lot of freedom with the designs and so just a reminder in terms of City signage rules our restriction is that the wrap has to be decorative only with
no text or symbols and um the prices that I gave you do include the printing the fabrication and the installation and that's all I have all right thank you all right with no further announcements uh seeing that this is a public hearing uh made in in
the Florida state Sunshine uh Ray has to be here and he needs a 5minute break so I'm going to call a recess for 5 minutes promptly and we will get the public hearings on the way thank you guys so much for your patience and being here with us e
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e e all right it seems like we have everyone I'll call this meeting back to order all right Kim take her away thank you mayor this is ordinance number 2405 CN an ordinance of the city of Dustin Florida providing for
Authority providing for findings of fact providing for abandonment of a segment of environmental preservation area in P Pine Ridge Trace subdivision providing for severability and providing for an effective date this is first reading of a quasi judicial hearing and uh upon
request we are going to let the attorney for the applicant begin the presentation all right just hit that gray button and the floor is yours good evening Council attorney Jeff Burns I'm appearing on behalf of the applicant Miss Amanda beler who's sitting right behind me I've provided each one of
y'all some hard copies of some items I might refer to and uh I did speak to Mr bod and and Miss cop beforehand and because the next ordinance that y'all are going be considering here tonight is kind of a duplicate in a lot of ways of this this particular ordinance I will kind of cover the history of this
environmental preservation area and hopefully Mr bod won't have to fill in any gaps but uh we are here tonight because Miss belshire is seeking the vacation of a small portion of what the city is actually seeking the entire vacation of on the next ordinance and uh
if if you refer to the the items I gave you all uh I've included where her property is located in the southwestern quadrant of that pin Trace plant it's the the little blue Dot and uh and whereas the city on the next ordinance tonight will be seeking the vacation of
the entire yellow area uh the reason uh that you're hearing both of these here tonight is because Miss belcher's application kind of started uh in the works back in the summer of 2023 and at that point in time we started the due diligence process going to all the utilities and whatnot and ultimately by
the time we submitted our application to the city they deemed it was complete they let us know at that point in time they had made an independent decision to move forward themselves was seeking the vacation of the entire rideway and uh since we'd already done the work uh to get Miss belshire to that point and also
considering that this is a much smaller ask than what the city is asking for on the next ordinance uh we figured we would and it gives us two shots to for Miss mure as well we figured we would keep hers moving along and we agreed with the staff to hear them both at the
same time just because uh that the save kind of resources for everybody now the the Environmental preserv ation area is really a rideway and that's because back in 1983 April 19th 1983 when the bard of County Commissioners actually accepted
this plant it was dedicated to the county and they never took any affirmative steps to accept it into their park plan at the time and then the city was obviously Incorporated in November 1984 and since that point in time the city has never taken any action to actually incorporate it into their
park plan and in fact uh I remember even going out here as a kid riding my bike to visit friends who lived in this neighborhood neighborhood uh it's been fenced in by all the people have lived out there for as long as anyone can remember and so no one's ever actually used this as as an environmental preservation area they've used as their
backyard and now one thing before I go into why Miss belshire needs the vacation here today if you turn to the second page uh Mr Bagby your uh appointee on the LPA uh pepper me some very good questions at the LPA board meeting and one of them uh that we he
kind of had to accept our answer on so we actually have the exhibit there was uh does the Lakeside Village plant refer to this environmental preservation area and no it does not that's why I included this here tonight just kind of kind of make it everyone clear on that it's not it was Lakeside Village came into being
in on March 27th 1979 uh this environmental preservation area was not dedicated in that it was it came the environmental preservation area was solely dedicated as part of the pirat Trace subdivision U my my client her parents bought the townhouse she lives in today
though out at Pin Trace shortly after the city was or shortly before the city was incorporated back in February of 1984 and uh 10 years later uh Miss beler she had moved into the area during that period of time her parents uh were able to buy a bigger house for themselves and
Miss belshire needed somewhere to live so they actually gave her the house they quit claimed it uh there was no mortgage no financing it was an inter family gift and that's important because at that time she didn't have a title policy issu she didn't have a survey done she because it was a family gift and you
know anytime you close on property you get that title policy it gives you that laundry list of what uh problems your property might have and you get a survey that might show where your actual property lines are well she didn't have that instead uh when she moved in uh in February 1994 she moved into a property
that had the entire area that we seeking a vacation of uh fenced in and not only fenced in but there was a shed and uh a porch actually built onto it and a very an improved porch and uh so and probably her parents probably did that because
the developer certainly would have done it because he didn't do it for anyone else out there but what everyone else did do miss beler did notice was they also fenced in their back yards too like uh like she's done since and uh she she did not actually realize she did not own
that portion of her what she thought was her property which actually is this environmental preservation area till she was served by Cod enforcement in May of uh 2023 she came to my office and uh actually she called me on the phone first but when we met I had to explain to her that she what she thought was a
setback violation was actually uh no it's not setback violation you actually all this uh these items are actually sitting on a city right away which is quite a bit more serious and then I had to break some other news to her under Florida law uh we we couldn't go to the city and say will you sell us this
little portion of land because Florida law does not allow cities or coun is actually sell rways uh if you you can abandon or vacate them and then they uh under the law pass by operation law to the neighbor property uh but you actually cannot sell them and so I told
her the only recourse would be going through this process and uh kind of take a step back so y were talking about undergrounding utilities earlier uh back in 2011 uh Miss bel's mom who was now widowed at that point in time needed someone to take care of her so miss
beler uh moved her in Back to the townhouse um at that time uh Miss beler uh to make room for her mom she improved the shed on the property that's that's in the environmental preservation right away uh by the improvements that she actually saw she she wanted to move her
washer and dryer and all of her work related items out to that shed and and in doing so she actually had to get a permit from the city the city issued it and approved of it for electrical and water utilities to be run to the shed and not only did the electrical work get
run and permitted and all all that according to city and and because the city I think thought it was hers at the time too and no one works for the city or still works for the city too so I can kind of throw them on the bus from that but uh uh Miss beler actually I don't know why and maybe Mr giley or Mr Braden
would know the answer for this is gc's uh she actually had to pay to have the utilities undergrounded from Main Street uh down by you drive to the shed and so she's actually done some undergrounding I think I was phase four which all on that map earlier so she's done a little
B phase four for the city and so uh I don't know why I I I asked her actually earlier today and she said all the power comes into unit one if you look at the plant right there and so uh my amateur guess would be that probably would draw too much power the shed and maybe that's
why they did I had no idea though and that was also if y'all remember the undergrounding that Gulf Power uh before they were florid to Power and Light this was actually golf power level undergrounding which as you know is way more expensive and actually a heavier Duty than fla power and lights and so uh
so miss beler is here today hat in hand though to ask G to approve of this application uh she's on a developer who's going to asking for a ride away to be vacated and going to bring a big economic impact she's just a hardworking individual who's lived here in Dustin
her whole life or most of her life and uh she's the kind of individual that you want to stay uh to keep living here because she's a housekeeper she's not a Savvy real estate investor who's trying to pull one over on you all she's someone who's trying to just live in her house it's her biggest asset uh and she
doesn't want to have to if if this does get denied rip out that shed or tear that shed down but then also rip out the uh the porch because the porch actually that her parents built has a roof line actually it's attached into the side of the townhouse and so she's going to have
to undergo some pretty extensive uh not repairs but demolition work if she's if this is denied tonight because if this does get denied then we have to go back before the code enforcement magistrate who was kind enough to stay the code enforcement case uh in favor of this
RightWay vacation application uh and if we go in front of the the code enforcement magistrate I have no idea what she'll say it probably won't work out too well for my client though and so uh if you have any questions I can answer them for you if you have any questions for Miss beler she'd be happy to answer them as well uh I thank you for your time though and I know it's
getting late all right thank you both for being here uh coun Braden thank you mayor um I really want to make the uh the motion because I mean the city's already permanent it it's built I think we should um so I moved it to city council approve the first
reading on first reading of this ordinance to right away vacation and abandon um discontinue and close a portion of the environmental uh preservation area right away west of six Pine Ridge Trace in Pine Ridge Trace
subdivision and Destin based on fightings at the the request satisfies the five requirements identified in the Land Development code section 8 01.00 D and move the item forward to the next city council meeting for second
reading all right second by councilman Bagby uh just just for the record could you open it up to the public hearing oh thank you yes all right if anyone here from the public wishes to speak on this topic specifically this is your time to do so all right thank you for that I'll
close one other thing um I just want to ask if there are any council members that need to abstain from this vote I need to abstain from this vote okay and I also need to main conflict of interests okay so um the city clerk will get you the forms after the meeting
thank you all right I have a motion and second two abstain exensions uh any further discussion all right seeing none ready call the vote yeah you have to just click obstain for the record get there you go all right I
have at 5- Z with two extensions yes sir when Mr bra made his motion I forgot to actually add this request uh uh my client and I actually both have uh separate conflicts of interest on March 17th we can't make it to that meeting is it possible to have this meeting or the
second reading set for the first meeting in April we can do that the city clerk uh could you please advertise second reading for the first meeting in April okay thank you all right thank you all right Council Meson U I think for the record we're supposed to State our
conflict and I have family members that own units in these in this development and that's why I would not be able to vote and I live on this development so I can't vote all right fair enough thank you for that all right with that we'll move moving forward Miss
Cup this is ordinance 2416 CN and ordinance of the city of Dustin Florida providing for Authority providing for findings of fact providing for abandonment of the environmental preservation area in Pine Ridge Trace subdivision providing for severability and providing for an effective date this
is first reading this is the city's application for RightWay vacation of the parcels listed out in the ordinance it's the if you look at the um diagram that Mr Burns showed you before with the blue dot it is the rest of the area that is
all in yellow and I'm going to turn it over to staff member Joe bod to give you some more information good evening mayor and C councel um in reviewing the application for six Pine Ridge Trace uh staff had
found the environmental preservation area um quite a number of uh encroachments uh ranging from sheds parking areas uh
fenced in many of them cleared uh using aerial photography uh at last count which was uh at the time of application in
2023 31 of 66 adjacent properties had encroachments and then several others um had cleared the area uh of vegetation um dug on it I'm sorry I lost
my place uh what we were what we were looking at is okay do we start a massive Code Compliance case against about half of the residents in
that area or do we come in and vacate this this uh a bit of of environmental preservation area uh uh senior leaders at the time decided
it was the city's best best interest to vacate or request vacation of the environmental preservation area uh as you had heard before uh in the previous
application uh and going through the city's code none of this area or all of this area actually um meets the five criteria that is outlined in our
code uh Destin water users has requested a uh easement between Trail Court and the airport property adjacent to uh 22 Trail Court
uh the LPA had approved our recommended approval of the ordinance uh pending no objection from the airport the airport executive uh or the destined Executive Airport had no
objection um with the understanding that the residents are subject to our current Land Development code article 7.1 15.00 uh air airport and aircraft zoning
regulations and that's and I'm I'm going to open it up for questions at this point all right thank you councilwoman traml thank you mayor I was just going to make the recommended motion I move to recommend to council approve the request that vacate abandon discontinue and
close the remaining Environmental Protection area right of way in Pine Ridge Trace subdivision in Destin based on findings that the request satisfies the five requirements identified in the Land Development code section 8.01 pointd all right with that
councilman Bagley yeah I I didn't see in the motion the um the walkway through or the whatever the the area that we I mean I'm I'm seconding the motion
but it should it does it include that walkway he talked about a yes so this motion doesn't say it in there it should it should be approving the ordinance on first reading okay and in the ordinance
if you look at the first page it lists out all the parcels and there are a lot of them okay so um council member TRL if I could ask you to just um clarify in your motion to council member bagby's point to approve the ordinance on first
reading if that's the intent yes I will include that and to forward it on for second reading thank you and for the record I assume the same two council members are you declaring the same conflict same conflict yes yes same conflict thank you all right thank you
all right with that I have a motion a second and I see no further discussions I'll call yes have you open public comments oh God you guys are thank you all right at this time if there's anyone here to speak on the public hearing for 5B ordinance 2416 CN on first reading
this is your time to do so all right seeing none I'll close the public comments we have a motion in a second I'll call the vote all right I have it 5 Z Double Down mayor I should have done this but I would like to make a motion uh to change
the order today and move d and e I'm sorry 5D and 5e above 5c because God only knows how long we'll talk in a workshop for them about Mobility fees yes yeah we need y'all to
come all right I have a motion uh to move the short-term rentals forward for the public hearing I have a second by councilwoman a bear I'll call the vote yeah yeah we should have made this the first public right all right we're calling the vote
we're moving up 5D 5e uh just for the record we need another form since that was yes okay on our exstension all right I have it so moved we're going to change the order of the day 5D is uh ordinance 2423 CC will
be up next Miss cop thank you mayor ordinance 2423 CC and ordinance of the city of Dustin Florida requiring short-term rental registrations at multif family units including dominium units within the city of dtin providing for Authority providing for findings of
fact distinguishing between short-term rental registrations for single family homes and short-term rental registrations for multif family units renaming article 6 of chapter 13 registration of short-term rentals single family but making no other amendments to the regulation for short-term rentals for single family
homes creating article 6A of chapter 13 registration of short-term rentals multif family requiring an application for such registration and authorized ring registration fees for short-term rentals at multif family units requiring a local responsible party for short-term rentals at multif family units providing
for conflicting Provisions providing for severability and providing for an effective date this is second reading all right seeing that this is a public hearing at this time I would wish for anyone to speak on this topic to come forward and exercise your right so
I'm assuming that's why you guys are here so I'll start with my left y'all's right if anyone would like to go first or if there's anyone who would like to take the floor first first yes yeah no worries no no we want to make sure we push this forward for you guys sorry for the weight and then we
just need your name and address before you begin Joan button 1040 Highway 98 East thank you ma'am and I thank you all for allowing us to voice our opinions because everything's so costly now um condos do not have the
enforcement issues that houses have for sure short-term rentals the association pays for management staff security vendors and trash service the city fee being added to condos will only be one more burden that
is negatively impacting our condos like the cost of insurance all the new requirements from the state for structural inspections and reserves to us owners condo rentals are a business Destin is a tourist town
if you continue to create more fees and tax us more Destin will eventually lose its tourist due to the cost to visit here Destin depends on tourism to survive and grow please take a close look at your
use of budget and find a way to save and use your resources wisely we implore you we are at your mercy it is our tax dollars that help keep you a city thank you ma'am thank you all
right I'm sure you're not going to be the last all right anyone else front row anyone wish to speak all right Ken wer 4 4320 comes Drive West uh obviously come talk about the same thing
again um just you know y all have talked about this quite often so we're not going to rehash the same old things but I will let you know uh Mr Bagby um the hotel inventory increased by 44% in 2024 over 2023 and so if part of the
discussion is that hotels don't cause a strain on the public facilities I I again I I I I I disagree with that uh we're all in it together and so it's kind of ironic that you take a subset of that group and you're going to let fee
and there's no other way around it other than it's a it's a taxation with no representation because they already pay their taxes as the last speaker spoke you know the condo already pay for all the services that the city's providing to other parts of the community and part of what you you've said you wanted to do
is provide Public Funding sorry funding for Public Safety Beach and sheriff's department and as I said last time in 2023 the TDC funded to the city $21 million and obviously that covers a of things uh Sheriff's Beach Patrol Beach
safety all that stuff's all bundled into that that comes from the bed tax collections for both entities hotels and the short-term vacation rentals so it's just ironic in my opinion that you're going to charge a fee and to do nothing in return for
those owners and so one last time the other thing that was discussed is what do the tourists actually spend in the city of dtin I would submit to you that there's a lot of restaurants fishing fleets and recreational Outlets that generate a lot of income from the
tourism you know the tourists obviously help provide us a great place to live and if we can fund a lot of the recreational things from the TDC tax why not do it do it but don't add another fee to a subset of that group that's help help
generating income for you and you know next year this just the 12 a half% the city of Des is going to get $1.9 million but there's other things that the TDC funds that benefits the citizens and the residents of Destin already that's in above and beyond that not to mention
buying pocket Parks new word for me but I I would ask that you I think it's great um no um I would ask that you reconsider this on on on second reading and the last thing I know can really C straighten me out I think
you're going to talk about fees next time because that's not determined right so thank you thank you sir anyone else wish to speak on this topic yep sorry I got you next we go easy enough name and address
hey Louisa balock address is 3016 cic Highway 98 unit 209 um here on behalf of being also a condo owner and Property Management owner um and also on the board for the Florida Association if rentals and we are here um and I am here
just to specifically talk about how we are going to go about this as managers you guys all know that people tourism brings all the money okay we we we know that everybody's told you that right my concern is really on the implementation for myself other business owners on how
much time and resources it's taking us to make sure that we are compliant you know making sure I know in in another County there's four or five steps just to be able to submit things so as you're going about creating you know registration the easy really the the
easier for us the more compliant will be and also on the fee that's the same if you have you're looking at how many homes you have how how did that process go through for you guys how were you able to make sure people are compliant now looking at how much more condos do you have than houses what does that look
like for your infrastructure just something to consider while you're trying to make sure people are compliant what is that going to look like for you guys with all of this inundation of we're going to have a huge project you're going to have a huge project how can you make it you know we're just asking that it's feasible that the fee
is fair um because I know even for these one-bedroom manage one-bedroom units and those are the owners right now that are really looking at this and are concerned I know there some of them are watching me right here those those are the owners I'm here to speak for because the fee even you know $300 to $600 a year that's
a lot they've been every single building has been built between you know after 2000s looking at all these assessments I haven't had a building that hasn't had an assessment project in The Last 5 Years every single On's had them I mean they sales are happening I know if you
look at suneson that that building is selling like wildfire because they have a huge building assessment I mean it's every little penny counts and I know that it seems like we're bringing all these rentals we have all this tax dollars but the upkeep of these is so Vast at this point we just ask that you take some of that into consideration so
and I appreciate all your time awesome thank you for being in here you going no okay anyone else hey push that gray button name and address perfect Tiffany Edwards 1221 Airport Road I'm sweet 208 and
210 um I just wanted to up here and say a few words I know I spoke before and I appreciate the opportunity to speak again um I know when this ordinance was originally uh put forward it was to create some fairness and balance um for
the amount of um the load and the the transportation need or not the transportation but the public safety needs that are created through tourism and I just ask again that there is some fairness between the hotels and vacation rentals I know that there have been has been a narrative that been out there in
the last week that vacation rentals do not spend or do much in our area um and I can tell you that from a larger economic impact study that's Northwest Florida I did not have time to extrapolate city of dtin 39% of what they spend is in food and beverage 25%
for retail 20% in Recreation and 16% in transportation and there's actually a company here in our area called explor that provides activities throughout the country they specialize in providing um Forest specific area um for fishing um
for recreation uh they have Golf and vacation rental companies pay that company per day per guest whether they use it or not and that portion of that goes to those local activities so I would just ask and implore that if you
are going to make a decision for vacation rentals that please make it for all tourism that impacts so that we're all paying our fair share and putting in for the betterment of our area thank you thank you so much right anyone else all right seeing none I'll close
the public portion of this public hearing Council M I move that the city council adop ordinance 24-23 DCC all right I have a motion on the floor do I hear a second second by councilman Schmidt uh
cman Bagby yeah I want to thank everybody that spoke uh tonight um and I'll address a couple of your concerns the hotels uh you know we're going to probably vote to resend
or recall but that doesn't mean at some future date in in sense of fairness uh that we couldn't come back and revisit the hotel issue we're just trying to I'm trying to get my mind around this the
the hotel increase that you mentioned probably came from the TDC and I would think it probably incorpor it views Destin as everything below the bay uh because most of those hotels that have been built for that 44%
increase uh were in the county because if they had started popping up in the city I probably would have run to figure out how we could at least slow that down if not stop it I'm not a big fan of more hotels uh
the Louisa the implementation uh we haven't decided that yet I we have folks in the city who think oh code enforcement and we need to hire them three more admins and that is not my personal solution my personal
solution would be go through the clerk of the court work out an agreement with them they collect the bed tax already they know who who the short-term rentals are trying to put that load on our city is in
in my personal opinion uh erroneous I was trying to think of a good word that I could say in public but erroneous uh when we have people in the county that are already doing that already have those lists identified already have a process for you to
register and pay for your your short-term rental taxes or your tdd tdt already but that's a debate we're probably going to have down the road uh you know the the one thing that y'all didn't me mention you did mention
special assessments uh you know as realtor tomorrow I'm showing I think seven or eight condos okay most of them in elmatador because these people want to buy unfortunately out on oakus island and not in dtin and they've doubled their assessments their regular
Assessments in the last year to make up and they did a special assessment just because they had their inspection they said this is what we got to fix you know they're out there Paving their parking lot right now because that's a reservable expense and so I I get that
and so we will try to keep it fair I think you know we're not we're not establishing the rates tonight uh but I believe Mr Dustin had mentioned $300 particularly for those condos that are you know 1499 Square ft and less that
would be fair you know if you got a 5,000 ft condo which there's a couple of those in the city you ought to pay probably what a 5,000 ft² house does but we'll deal with the fees later but yeah y'all are being
heard uh but it is in my mind cuz these short-term rental houses been paying this fee for a while and you know the short-term rental con it's not on all condos cuz I have people you know yelling at me about I can't believe you're going to tax my condo it's like
well you live here we're not going to attx you know it's not a short-term R unless you move away for the summer and go to Asheville or something and then yes you'll you'll have to pay that fee but that I just want to address from my perspective y'all's questions and issues
uh councilwoman abar thank you mayor well I won't pontificate after what he said but I'm in the same um mindset we're not looking to charge you guys a whole bunch of money it's definitely going to be based on the size of the condos cuz condos are nowhere near the
size and square footage as the houses are especially in some of the areas of dtin but a small nominal fee you know based on the square footage and it's just something that's going to be reasonable and then like you said we're talking about the hotel it we'll probably deal with that again that'll
probably come back to us but in the meantime we don't want you to feel like we're trying to dig money out of you we're trying to find other ways to get the information and help you continue to keep your rental prop property making the investment that you invested for to
continue to make good money while you live here as well as rent from here so we are listening we understand your concerns and we don't want you to walk out here go oh they did it anyway no we're going to do it extremely fair and it'll be based on you know the square footage so please don't leave here
thinking well that was a waste of time we care and we're glad you're here at least to voice your opinions for yourselves as well as many of those that have written to Us online so thank you for coming and letting us hear from you we appreciate it well coun M
dtin thank you mayor um many of the arguments they make are valid they're already policing most of what's going on in the condos through the associations we're about to I would predict uh take the hotels out of
it and so now we have to in our own minds say okay what's the difference between the two they're both taking care of their guest and probably not putting a great burden on the code enforcement that really is coming from
the from the houses that are uh not taking care of any of their issues at least some of them um it makes me somewhat uncomfortable to to pass this without knowing what the fee is going to be kind of like the cart in front of the
horse I'll vote for it because I think I understand that if we just don't adopt a fee at all then it has no bearing no bearing so I'll I'll play along till we get to the fee but you know a lot of the things they say are
true cman Braden thank you um city manager out of the BL was the 3 Point $3.2 million that we have to pay to the Sheriff's Department every year 3.3 3.3 yes sir where does that money come from
we get that from the TDC no sir where does that money come from general fund general fund confirm that but that's correct yes it is costing us money a lot of money ad tax Bas to take care of these people whether they're at the condo or in a
house or hotel wherever we're paying over $3 million for it um and when a somebody drowns or shark attack or something behind a condo do their people take care of that
or does the fire department and the ambulance and sheriff's department and everybody from two or three counties around come to help with that that cost money so I keep hearing that they they they maintain themselves manage themselves trash and all that that may
be true but it's a lot more to the picture than just trash and parking or whatever in my opinion um I heard something about the structure that we're going to somehow manage the structure something I don't think we have anything to do with
the structure assessment for for that um I've owned short-term rental and I was assessed um it was like $112,000 to put a roof on it and I immediately sold it after that because I thought that was part of what I was paying in my Association newes was
to eventually maintain that building and you know what not so anyway um for that reason I mean and then there they're I know we get a gas tax to take care of the roads and stuff you know that we're all using we don't fly into
these hotels and and fly out of them we have to drive to and from so anyway there's just a lot of reasons that you know I've got to support it that's all I have here thank you conman Schmid thank you sir thank you ladies
and everybody else that spoke I appreciate you being here at this time of the hour of the night um there is a lot of Truth to what you all are saying I I do agree um but there's there's also a lot of Truth to what we're trying to
do I believe to help the city um yes you have a management company that manages your condo but there's also management companies that manage those houses the same management companies do so they're it's not always perfect right um code enforcement's not only going to go to your condo and deal with a code issue
there's there's people in your condo can leave that condo and still have a code violation parking in the city somewhere else so there's there's things that can be done um by code and for Public Safety um and
and I think it is important to um to do this across the board um I do think we have to wait wait it you know wait it correctly Wei G HT uh according to the houses and the condos when we do get to
that point because if this does pass tonight it's not a fine it's it's just ordinance and now we have to talk about the fee and not theine the fee um and I'll also be trying to go to the the hotel one right because you know I feel like this is kind of like a little
loop-de-loo here you know we roped everybody in by saying we were going to make it fair for everybody and now we're woo pulling it back um and I don't support that so um I know it's tough and and I know the the the old buildings are
tough and I know Property Management Fe are tough and I know all that's tough I I get that running a business is tough and you just somebody said this is your business I get it I get it and I'm a business owner too and there are tough weeks months years and and then we have
to relook at things and figure out what to do differently as well um I truly believe that's going to be my goal to work with staff and the city manager to make sure we're not just collecting your money to then just fund a bunch more just cushion stuff like salaries and
stuff that's that's not my goal um you know I don't want to see that I want to see the money be used what it's supposed to be used for what we saying it's going to be used for so I I'm going to do my best to make sure that we do that appropriately if we end up actually
having a fee for the registration so thank you with that I see no one else on the board and so I will call the vote right I have it 70 so moved all
right 5e so for 5e before we get to second reading of the ordinance we can address the motion to resend discussed at the last meeting yes thank you um with that I you know
unfortunately I hit the wrong button cuz we were going back and forth with a few things so that's kind of the so the question will be if you want to resend the approval on first reading of ordinance 2501 CC correct all right so with that um I appreciate Kim for
putting this together it basically creates the same thing just a a protocol version of it all I just really at the end of the day want to put my stamp on the record of just clarifying my vote um so work is going to do this procedurally but really it's one or the other it kind
of gets to the same point whether we're for or against uh to just move if we deny the resend we'll go to Second reading if we uh approve the resend then that will be considered dead um so with that I will um make the motion to resend
the approval of ordinance 2501 CC as I was a voting member of the tie you can even with the tiebreaker matter all right let's just see if anyone else on I'll call then I will call for a motion all right councilman d uh do I
hear a second second second by councilman Bagby uh and discussions on this to resend motion to resend thank you all right to be clear if you vote Yes you'll be voting to resend the approval on first reading that will
result in the ordinance going away yes this is a public hearing it is a public this no this this is a resc this is a resend it's not a publicar in public agenda because if the motion to resend fails it will become a public
hearing yeah coun schmi do you go first all right c bagy yeah just uh one point I didn't make on the last one that because some of the comments that we received uh because you do pay ADV
valorum tax on the properties and you rightly yeah uh on the sales tax that you generate and the other short-term rentals generate and the hotels that are in the county generate does not come to us we wish to
high heaven that all those sales taxes did come to us but they don't they come they are a portioned to the county and they are a portioned in the county by the permanent population of the cities and then the county gets to keep the
rest rest and unfortunately our permanent population of about 14,000 puts it where we get a very low percentage of the sales tax that is generated that returns to Okaloosa County if if we were getting that sales
tax you know we could probably have our own Police Department we wouldn't even need to have a contract with the sheriff's department to be honest with you but so I just want because I've heard a lot of those comments out there and I just wanted to address those and I forgot to address it my last time thank you all right cman
Schmidt yeah thank you I just I can't support we're doing this tonight unfortunately um you know three of us did vote to to pass it on first reading and I get we can change that at the second reading which I wish we would just have it at a second reading but
you're right I get it um you know I've heard arguments that we don't have a lot of hotels in our jurisdiction so it's not going to be a lot of money we we don't have a lot of hotels we're not going to pissed off a lot of people been right I mean that's one thought uh we
heard from a lot of short-term rental owners we still passed at 7 to zero just now um we haven't heard from really any hotel owners I haven't I haven't heard from a hotel lodging Bureau of whatever you call them I haven't heard from them
I've heard potential threats of that but not from them directly so I I'm going to continue to to to support what we initially said months ago was to do this across the board to create this thing for fairness across
different Industries because the hotel lodging people are creating just as much issues as the short-term rental we all I think a lot of us said that um and I'm going to stay true to what we were trying to do um I would like to get to a second
reading you know let's let's get to the second reading I don't think people know Robert's Rules of orders about the resending of approval we were still confused about it tonight Council mestine had to you know help us get through that um because he's been here
for a long time he's got the experience which I appreciate but I I I think the citizens would like to come and maybe talk about it at the second reading so I can't support resending it I want to get it passed at the first reading and let's get to the second reading and continue down the road that we all a lot of us
said that we wanted to do for the fairness of uh for this fee so that's where I'm going hopefully of course thank you anyone else yeah C Dustin then gu um only comment is the hotels already
have btrs that's the business they're in um to charge them again appears to me would be the same as telling me even though I have a license to be in the restaurant business I need to charge each one of my customers a little bit more because uh they might go out and violate the law
you know so don't some of the condos have the btrs as well though some of the condo owners if they're ready not sure if they you know I'm hesitant to do what we're doing to them right yep but they could right I think perhaps they do that okay I guess I shouldn't have voted for
it in any event uh a vote to resend is to not include the hotels that correct will be the ultimate result if you approve the motion to resend then the hotel ordinance would be gone and as Mr
Bagby said that could be added on later it could you could bring it up anytime uh Council Miguel I'm I'm going to withdraw my question I think I'm pretty sure do we just asked what or answer what I was going to ask
all right anyone else since we're on the vote I'm not see yep C just real quick yeah I and at some point part of the problem is is the nature of the ownership and we discussed this last time or time before last the nature of the ownership and the nature of the
business is a little bit different the short-term Ral condos are like the short-term rental houses as opposed to the hotels which are governed by an entirely different set of statutes uh within the State of Florida and I just haven't gotten my head around it
personally I'll just be honest with you I'm not saying I wouldn't at some point but I I as I try to go through well if you do it on square footage you know do you do the whole hotel or do you so I it
just I'm not saying we can't have this discussion or not have this vote at some future date but I'm just not willing to have it now because I hadn't figured it out in my own head so uh just throw uh one of the hotels um was on the phone call with me and he was trying to say
listen if you're going to do this let's let's make something fair and he was like hey can we just do a a night rate can we do like a dollar a night versus a square footage again not sure if how that complies but that way it's just a pass on and I know that's not what tonight's about but to answer your point
on how how that was something that they were trying to compromise on the phone with yeah and the the that sounds like we're going down the road of the resort tax again which we lost on the last time we
tried to do the resort tax and get that pushed through so and that's part of the the logic is there's a way you can probably do this I'm just not sure what that way is given the current state of
the the laws Council M BR thank you um like agree with like Mr Bagby said most of the money that we get here a lot of it goes north Crestview if we could keep our money we've in great shape um we could drop a lot of fees but I in I
believe though that in the motels the hotels they're they CA they cause a lot of problem as well I mean the is it the comfort in I think Sheriff's Department's up there regularly for drugs and all kind of stuff um that we
have to pay for um and they I mean they they tear apart they use our infrastructure you know they use the water the roads and everything else that we have to maintain um and if all our money didn't go
north you know the nice fille you know VP crestf whatnot we wouldn't have to charge a whole lot of fees on anybody um so that's that's just my thinking is you know they're they're turning them things over every day every two days every
three days just putting more Road you know traffic on the roads and stuff so that's just my two cents thank you sir yeah counc M if Kim if if this as it's written who is the fee being levied to or is that not written
yet this this sets up the registration process it doesn't impose the fee so you have to set up the requirement for registration first in the code and then we have a fee resolution where you would do the fee separately so this would just be the registration process to get a
hotel to register right and then step two would be the fee resolution so to be confused on how it's going to all work out doesn't really matter like the fee part fig out that's why it's not addressed yet just like it's not addressed in the Str Str one
right right similar right reasoning I mean and and again that's kind of why I'm trying to vocalize that we should just get it to the second reading and possibly pass it at the second reading and then maybe we have a fee maybe we don't um I think there's
other options that we should consider and it sounds like a hotel owner was talking you and was actually telling you an idea to charge of them I mean that's that's a great Buy in from a hotel owner when I travel to Dothan this weekend I have like five line items on my hotel bill state tax county tax city tax one
city tax two I mean that's that's about like normal nowadays when you travel Virginia New York all these places they're just lines of taxes which I don't want to get crazy like that but there's ideas I think we can pursue if we get to that point so I just that's
all that's just reiterating that thanks C D um one observation if we were to implement a $300 fee per year like we were talking about for the condo folks in a 100 unit hotel that would be an extra $30,000 a
year and so it's I'm not even unlike Alabama and Georgia and some of those other states municipalities in Florida are not allowed to charge like that period we're very restricted on what we can tax so you know at at
some point if we start trying to put that kind that's quite a bit more than the uh than the business BTR tax um we're going to put these people in a position where they have to uh take us to court good chance we won't win
because we're not allowed to tax hotels like that um on top of that if 30 if you're 100 units you know 30,000 a year in addition to what you're already paying unless remember they pay property taxes each and every year
just yeah just too much oh I'm so sorry man no no I just I can't oh oh gotcha gotta y c yeah um I think one of the differences that you we need to understand is that entire hotel is one parcel number each condo each unit has
its own parcel number also how we look at these things there's a maximum fee per square foot so I don't think that fee would ever achieve $30,000 on a hotel because you got one parcel and everything that we're looking at in the past that we we've done this it says
anything above 5,000 square fet is a flat fee so I don't see how that would get to that $330,000 Mark based off one parcel number and one parcel ID I apologize One parcel ID and a maximum square footage
so just from my standpoint I hear what you're saying I just don't see how it could get to that that extravagant number now part of me is on the fence with this because it is a commercial entity it was designed as a commercial entity so all of its undergrounding all of its Plumbing all of its wiring everything was designed as a commercial
entity it's not residential code that was turned into a commercial business so uh the Wastewater Tre pipe system and everything else it it's designed for that type of usage in a hotel system the Ally Hotel systems have to have regular
fire inspections regular pool inspections uh things that these residents that have been convert it don't have to have um so I see a huge difference between the commercial hotel and the uh the
residential entity that's been converted into a a commercial entity but part of me wants to get to second reading so that we have time to to mle this over in our heads and think about this as well all right Kim the condo
tails are fall under the condo ordinance right I just want to confirm that we put the condo hotels in in the hotel ordinance we can it's up to y'all okay right now the title of the hotel
ordinance does include condo hotels okay I'll make a note to myself the the condo tells probably should fall under the condo ordinance the other thing is to my point to Ken's uh point the
hotels the vast majority of hotels on this island Peninsula this part of the island are in the county county and so you're going to put the the five hotels that we actually
have at at a huge disadvantage depending on the amount that you charge you know if it's $300 for the whole hotel okay that's not going to be a huge disad but you go everything that's on common
drive basically free get gets free everything that they're building over north of uh Commons the commons free so again the it goes back in my mind just my mind back a fairness issue of of what
we're doing but I'm more than willing to revisit I'm just not willing to revisit tonight okay anyone else all right seeing none uh I will call the vote that is motion to ascend motion under
Ascend yep and if we don't resend we get a second yeah if if this fails we go to Second reading yeah yes if you would like for this to move forward hit yes that's no if you vote
I'm sorry if you vote Yes if you vote Yes if you vote Yes the ordinance will not proceed to F to Second reading if you vote no it will proceed to Second reading thank
you so all right eyes have it for three all right so sended that's that all right so now you are going back to the mobility fee Workshop correct
yep so um for this agenda item 5c this is the second public Workshop concerning the adoption of the city of Dustin's new Mobility fees based on the mobility fees study consistent with
sections 163 3180 and 163 31801 Florida Statutes city council will discuss and consider all public input at this Workshop which is the second Workshop dedicated to the extraordinary circumstances necessitating the need to exceed the phase in limit ation set
forth in Florida Statutes seeing that this is a public hearing at this time do does anyone from the public have anything to say and we'll be having the um consultant speak as well all right all
right seeing none I will close the public comments yeah so the state law has limitations on how much you can raise your fees as we've talked about at multiple meetings because we haven't raised our fees in 16 years and because of the various reasons
we've discussed at those multiple meetings we are looking at showing extraordinary circumstances as required by state law so that we can raise them and the consultant will continue from there all right thank you um good
evening mayor and city council um my name's Lauren Whit I'm here with alen Steinbeck we're with 3tp Ventures and uh as Kim said we're just here to continue the conversation on the mobility fee study and fee schedule so just jumping right in the
required milestones for this project uh so starting off the mobility fee study was initiated in June of last year was completed in November the last uh city council meeting meeting we had our first required public Workshop tonight will be our second and then by June 27th an
ordinance approving the fee study and maximum fees must be approved by a 2third vote um or else the study will have to be reinitiated uh and the fees become effective at least 90 days after adoption so important notes about that
uh as I said there's a 12-month time limit for that study from when it's initiated to adoption um but there is no time limit for fee discounts so if you choose to continue that conversation around discounts you have that option um
after that 12-month time period the effective date must be at least 90 days after adoption but it can extend beyond the 90 days and finally um additional processes are required so the comprehensive plan and LDC will need to
be amended to replace the existing Transportation impact fee with the new Mobility fee so going to the extraordinary circumstances just kind of a quick refresher on what the Florida Statutes
say regarding um impact fee increases so these fees must be based on recent and localized data which is why there's that 12- month time period and we've already talked about the 90 days uh for the effective date the most important uh is
that the the impact fees cannot be increased by more than 50% of what they currently are over four years so an example of that um the fee for a short-term rental um currently there's no specific short-term rental fee in the
transportation impact fee schedule so the largest size for a single family dwelling is $1,896 and that could only be increased to 2,844 over four years so that's about a
12 1 12% increase per year there are criteria where the government can exceed this 50% limitation um and that's where we are now so uh the local government can complete a demonstrated needs study that justifies that increase and shows that
uh the jurisdiction needs to exceed those phase in limitations must hold at least two publicly noticed workshops and adopts the fee by at least a 2third vote so moving on on to Dustin specifically why do we need to go beyond
that 50% so there have been no impact fee increases in 16 years um within that time uh prices have shifted dramatically some of that related to covid-19 where construction material prices surged by
32% and then also there's been sustained disruptions to the global Supply chains uh for construction materials and equipment that have led to significant increases in construction prices from um from 2008 to now uh so you know the
transportation impact fees that you all are getting um from that new development isn't stretching nearly as far for the needed Transportation infrastructure improvements that you all have in your long-term plans based on the new
growth so moving on to the policy discussion based on the feedback we got from the last Workshop we um split this into two two options for you all so the first would be to just apply the maximum fees from the studies to all uses in that fee schedule and the second option
would be to apply discounts to long-term single family dwellings and Community serving uses and there are a few changes with how those discounts are applied I won't go through all of this you should have it in your handout as well um but this goes through what the
maximum fees are from the study based on the um the the traffic uh creation from that use so it varies significantly depending on the use um from residential to non-residential the option two the discounted fees so we
did lower the discount percentage for the long-term single family dwellings based on what you all said last time to 50% um previously they were between 91 and 94% so those fees did increase a little
a little bit and then for the community serving uses the uh retail shopping center and Supermarket uses were taken out of the discounted list and moved to the maximum fees list so you can see here this just shows um generally what
the uses are that are discounted and what the ones are that are um recommended for maximum fees and this just shows what the new adjusted fees are so for long-term residential uses as I said that discount percentage is now
50% so you can see um they have increased a bit from uh what we presented last time and the discounted non-residential uses uh all of these uses are the same the only difference in this table is
that now the shopping center retail and Supermarket uses are no longer in this table moving on to uses with maximum fees again this is all the same there's no discount applied the only change is that the shopping center retail and
Supermarket uses are now included in this table so I also wanted to revisit some of the examples that we went over last time as well so you could see how some of these changes impact it would impact what the mobility fee was that the city
would collect so again this is just a map showing where the vacant Parcels are in the city so going back to the example of the um retail to restaurant change of use So
based on the current fee schedule um the total transportation impact fee that was collected uh including the credit from the previous use was $3,425 uh with the proposed Mobility fee there is a discount for the
restaurant use which is $139,600 the mobility fee credit for the previous retail use is 103,000 or 511 so that Total Mobility fee that would be owed to the city is just over $36,000 and um finally so this example
of the long-term single family dwelling that's 4,700 Square fet So currently the transportation impact fee for this is again that 1896 number which is the highest uh size category in your Fe
schedule if the mobility fee was collected for this specific type of single family dwelling with the 50% discount it would be $1,789 if it was expanded there would be no additional fee if it was converted to
the a short-term rental uh they would get credited for that long-term single family dwelling Mobility fee that was already paid but would still ow an additional $42,500 and that is everything I have for you I'm
happy to answer any questions or revisit any slides you'd like to discuss all right all right does anyone get my there's no recommended motion so I don't have any questions yeah just a workshop just a workshop yeah see if
anyone had a thank you all for staying and presenting again I appreciate the information yep all right thank you thank you uhby sorry I was looking at it the uh good job thank y'all for coming back in the
workshop form you know and I appreciate the changes y'all made I mean I it's a to me is a much better starting point for a discussion that we will have here whenever we're going to have it the the thing that I
just remind everybody is there's there's a couple of markers on the wall June 27th is a marker if we're going to adopt a fee schedule under this rubric we have to
adopt it by June 27th and we can adopt 100% of everything and then just start decrementing there or discounting there or whatever word we want to use and we can do that for the the next year every meeting we can discount something else
but we have to have a starting point and so so I I appreciate the starting point that you gave us uh I'm not sure where we're going to land you know because some of these
numbers are like really big and I and I understand also that you know we maybe we shouldn't be picking winners and losers maybe we should let the market pick the winners and losers which I think you know the hotels will anybody
that's foolish enough to try to build another hotel on this this peninsula uh is just lost their mind in my opinion but it's their money and it's their right to lose their mind and see if they can make a go of it uh but I appreciate
what you did and I just uh what is couple of questions what is the way forward now that they have we've had our second Workshop that is required when when will we see this to where we can actually make motions and say that
number's too big that number's too small or where we just say let's just pass something or don't pass anything um so we have a draft of the ordinance being prepared right now okay um we could put an item on an upcoming
agenda where you just give more Direction um if you want to otherwise the plan was just to bring something on first reading that was our recommendation and let you do with it what you wanted to yeah that that's that's fine I and I may have said this last time I think I
did I I'm even willing to attend a special meeting where we just sit down and we you know we go line first thing we have to decide is are we going to adopt this because this is the only methodology where we can catch up with
our fees for lack of a better term uh some of them I think more than catch up uh my personal opinion but we we need to have a starting point where we can actually
say we want to uh not decrement no lower decrease decrease yeah decrease the full-time residential long-term resident uh fees for houses as
opposed to the short-term rental or you know and have that back and forth and so that will be when y'all bring this first is that when that would be yeah um just to put out there I mean this is all based on a study and the reason for that
June 27th date I know you you know this but for everybody is that the study is only valid for 12 months and when we increase the fees it should be based on the study we really should not do anything arbitrary and pick different things to change however the the
consultant has put together you know additional portions of the study that do provide for discounts and other things that we can talk about but what the council has to to make their decisions based on are the studies provided by the
consultant yeah because if we don't go this methodology then we get to sit here and go through every single fee schedule for this right that's that's our other option if we if four people up here say
no thank you for doing this study thank you for the two workshops thank you for taking all our money but we're going to just do a 10% increase or whatever increase we can do that that is an option right the
other option is to do the the maximum allowed by the statute without the study the study is to go beyond that right okay and and another option is of course if you want to pay for another study and start over no God no I'm we're done studying right okay we we need to figure
out something and just no all right Council medes thank you mayor when we originally adopted uh Road impact fees 20 30 years ago this room was full building industry Association
of Osa County was deeply deeply involved in turning back Clips out in that in the other building because they realized we were adding quite a lot of expense to the houses they were building I don't think they have a clue of course the
fact that we're having a public hearing on this at 10:00 at night might have something to do with it um the rest of them stayed yeah but but some of these increases that we just looked at and it's it's hard for me especially on birthday night to read what that writing
was up there so far away but it looked like just absolutely tremendous increases on in Impact fees and in fact was I I could read that so what we are dealing with here is is we're going to tremendously increase
the cost unless we go through in discount and do all the things that that we're talking about for single family homes for restaurants for any kind of commercial activity you're talking about tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars increased impact fees on all
these um it's it's too much and we do have another option we have transportation impact fees we hav an increase them in 17 years 18 whatever the number is we do have the option of going back and increasing those of course we have to
have a study to justify it under state law matter of fact state law required us to do a study every so many years which we have neglected to do but we do have another option to get those fees up to what they should be but they won't be hundreds of thousands of dollars or tens
of thousands like some of these are so we have this decision ahead of us and I certainly hope the folks who build homes in the city of D okoa County finally get a clue about what's going on here and what this proposal is and if they don't
come out of the woodwork then shame on them I will say just to clarify that the statutes do treat the mobility fees and impact fees the same so the same phase in requirements apply to both just for the
record same actually yeah you could there you go save money save money thank God perfect we the har but but to the single family
point we're not raising single family residents impact fees are we did you look at that yes so this uh the long-term residential single family fees that were in this presentation they
would be raised because the feedback we got from the last Workshop was that the existing fees were still a little too low so that's why we had the discount as 50% but um the last Workshop they were they matched what the existing
Transportation impact fees are so we can always go back to that gotcha well I I would wish that we we say yes to I would almost say the max of everything and really do most of our homework in the deduction of what we want to see so that if someone wants
to do a fly by night and they don't care about the quality of life of our community if they want to play an outrageous amount and it still works in their business model then we'll get stuck with another town home development that we don't want but if someone does care about the quality then they
probably have already built into their plan to use a lot of the deductions that we will come up with up here that offsets the quality of life because right now if traffics are number one issue if they're not going to be driving they're going to be walking biking and I think that's the one of most strong
economic vibrant things that we could do for communities in our CRA district and everyone that lives here so I'm just under the influence that we should absolutely maximize this with a very simple yet thorough group of ways to
deduct that these developers are adding back into the quality life and that way we all know once it comes in front of us if our hands are tied and the State statue says we have to say yes then we have to say yes I think this gives us a little bit more autonomy and freedom
when it comes back to uh the city making sure that we get the mobility right and we get the quality of life life right for our citizens you did see the the sample example of the 4700 foot single family residence are we voting on it was
that was just up on the screen a moment ago we're not voting on any pricing tonight are we huh we're not voting on any pricing I'm just saying the increase from our present transportation fee to this new nobility fee uh was a pretty
ounding amount yeah unless we say $10,000,000 10,789 Okay increase increase and that's if it's a vacant lot because the density that the land holds now is a credit to
Redevelopment that's right it's it would be a new home and if they wanted to add on it would just be a percentage of that density change but that is a new home so anyway we'll kick it around but some of the increases are pretty tremendous for sure all right anyone
else all right seeing none thank you guys thank you made them feel special wait wait till that night all right thank you
guys 5f okay the last public hearing is going to be our cross town connector Steve Daniel's got this one Daniel good evening everybody I hope
everybody's awake so uh as Kim stated this is the cross toown connector um this is the development order and subdivision so we're taking the existing Residential Properties and creating rideway um and then once this if and win this subdivision preliminary Prat approval is preliminary plat excuse me
is granted um staff would then have to come back through for The Flume and rezone that has been previously discussed to create the rideway or to reone these from Residential Properties to rideway recreational um so we have the consultant online to answer any
questions and staff is also here all right thank you for that uh councilman Bagby I'm just making the motion to approve hang on uh it is a public hearing are we going to let the public we still have all right seeing
that this is a public hearing at this time does anyone wish to speak on the major development order application D 111449 2024 he was getting up seeing all right no all right seeing
none I'll close the public comments at this time and entertain a motion councilman Bagby I move that city council approved Destin cross town connector major development order and major subdivision as presented second got a motion got a second by councilwoman AAR any further discussion
are we doing any variances on this no no oh my God no variances all right seeing no further discussion let's move this cross town forward one more step the Middle School me will be so
excited yeah all right I don't see it on the screen either all right s0 so moved all right thanks for hanging on thanks mat thank you Matt be sure to bill us thank you all good night night yeah
the sad part is a will councilman Braden thank you mayor um first question um if we're undergrounding all our utilities or working towards that um why are we not requiring developments
that are being built now to underground and not go overhead Steve all new development for as far as I'm aware of the last 10 years at least I believe are have been required to go underground and and have
been okay I'll be glad to take you for a ride tomorrow and show you some that's just been put overhead and I'll show you a place in the last 3 years that was under ground and overhead so if you're talking about the ride of way that's different but on the property
itself they connect to the service that go that goes from the right of way into the ground and then all their utilities within their development are undergrounded okay so why why why would we allow somebody that had
undergrounding I think the pole was in the right way and it went under the ground across the park paring lot to the building they cut that loose when they remodeled it and put the Power overhead I I that would not be allowed I
don't know why why would we run anything overhead now when we're trying to we wouldn't we wouldn't all development that comes through for development orders is required to be undergrounded what's the
yeah I'll get them for you okay I know the the one that was underground it went over overhead is right there at the forline church the pipe's still there with where it went underground it's cut off and that's been over a year now and it's ran
overhead I don't know how that got passed her inspected her but anyway I was just curious why that's going on um can anybody uh tell me about the Snapper Drive guy that was here earlier tonight and while that's taking three years and
yes sir uh we have been working with Mr Dallas for a while we were planning on starting that project today but as you're well aware you all received two emails late last week I think one on Friday one on Saturday in opposition to
the plans to install roadside swes in front of Mr Dallas's home and then the two adjacent properties to the South I've already spoken to Mr uh city manager Jones about it I I intend on talking to him some more about it
tomorrow but right now I think the process is we're ready to move forward with that um Mr Dulles um lives at the low point of Snapper drive at the intersection of Wanita and the water that runs down Snapper uh there are no
roadside swells in that area so the turf as it's built up against the edge of the ribbon curb kind of acts as a curb and it just directs water right down to his Drive driveway so it was our every intention to start that today me is it a true statement that he
was saying that this has been going on for three years I do not recall this lasting three years now what he did mention uh concerning the drainage improvements that we did back in 2017 before my time
here as part of a what we call a niwi grant uh they did remove that section of the project uh the inlet that would have been installed in front of Mr Dallas's home had a pipe that ran North to Kelly Street and then all the way down in
front of the elementary school to the duck pond that's how that one intersection would have gotten relief is that pipe had to run all the way to the duck pond okay thank you um in the highback
curbs that was being placed are is placed now at the uh entrance to the Public Works building and across the street why were those put in yes sir U folks turn those curves too sharply and they create chug holes which are traffic
hazards so in an effort to kind of keep people on the pavement a 6-in raised curb was installed so the guys working for the city of Dustin don't know how to drive and they're running in on the dirt is that what you're saying uh we were just kind of
beautifying our side of it but definitely on the Morgan side that is absolutely true we've repeatedly backfilled those areas and they just get beat out constantly so hopefully this effort will um keep that area
intact okay and and and I would agree some of our guys don't know how to drive either I just I mean I see them going up all over the place and I I really don't know why um cuz a lot of them if you'll look and everybody else can look as well
they're they're tore up they're run over they're scarred everything else and just seems like seems like a great lawsuit for the city that they they put that there and just I don't know somebody run over it you know tore up their car rip the bottom out um wouldn't be a good thing
but I I don't I really don't know why we're doing that but on Airport Road particularly and on Main Street on a lot of the where you people turn around and I've pulled two people off they make that U-turn and you can't make a U-turn you're off in the grass there's potholes
there now dirt and whatnot and they tearing it up that's been there for years and that has not been addressed it's actually on Airport Road I believe about a year ago we did install with council's approval some no uturn
signs uh various several areas even on the section by Merlin's Pizza that that stretch of airport road but folks continue to try to make that U-turn at those those locations and they just run off the
road by there at the um by the fire department um cross from there the people making u-turns there Road stays tore up um back by the airport by U Dr Novak's office it's another one of making
u-turns I don't see any no u-turn signs there but beside the point it's been there for years nobody's done anything about it um and it looks horrible now we're putting highback curvings everywhere um the what's uh what's the latest on the trees that were supposed to go on
Airport Road I have quotes from uh Gul Coast environmental contractors to install and actually have it written on this piece of paper in in anticipation of that question uh we've got a quote for 3in sand Oaks and 3 and 1/2 inch
these are caliber uh sand Oaks the 3 in are $1,150 installed and and the three and a halfes are $1250 installed that's each yeah
$1,250 or $1,150 each I I'll bring something back with the trees on the coast yeah I mean I'd really led to seen it yeah whoever R run them over at the time should have been
paying for them you know and killed them but and replaced at that time it been a whole lot less but well councelor bra I was looking at the original project scope and they installed 13 6-in caliper trees I couldn't imagine what those would be
nowadays and then 36 1 and 1/2 in caliber and they're all sand Oaks along with 1410 African irises so that was that was a lot of plant material I think we're down yeah but
that got value engineered to nothing so be thank thank you br all right Council woman tral uh thank you um I was at the uh Parks and Rec uh advisory committee this past week and um they lost two members so I was able to
find two members so I would like to nominate uh Jessica Jillian for myself and uh Tory GES um person had to leave he resigned and I have Jan McGraw for
Tor if he so chooses I nominate I got a motion got a second can you restate why they left what happened uh all right uh mine was um Matthew sweetser's wife and he is not
doing well and she's got issues with um a sick parent and two teenage kids so she had to resign that one um Mr Mr uh Isaac uh Burch has a job that no longer allows him to be at that meeting at that
time so he resigned but that was and it just so happened that that happened at the same time yep so right I got a motion got a second and see no further discussion call the vote okay where's the
vote and R's gonna customize it over okay there we go all right I have it 7 Z so moved thank you very much we did both of them right at the same time okay all right uh the next one uh I had an applicant uh discuss with me today they
want to be on the Town Center CRA this is Mr Preston Green from Krakens I'll recommend him um as my nominee if I can get a second and he he will be I I'll be glad to second that but he will be our uh first member that actually has a
business on Highway 98 so that's a good thing yep love the Green family all right we just got kicked out all right down the list councilman Schmidt I nay say you wait a minute I have to yeah we're just going to vocalize it oh can can I get a vote roll
call vote where I'll get kicked out for Miss A Bear's representative yeah nomination uh for green Mr Green gotcha sure yeah all right yes yes yes yes yes yes all right I have it 70 for Mr Green
to the uh CRA town center and um next meeting I guess we'll have the pooch palooza work plan to approve so that they can do that the first weekend in April they've already got it written I'm not sure why we didn't have it tonight but we didn't but that it is
in addition to their current work plan and uh we have found um ways for them to collect the money and to put the money in the Parks Foundation fund until they decide what equipment they want for the dog park great all right thank you so
much coun M Dustin thank you mayor let's revisit Mr Dallas and his drainage one more time because I saw the two emails and the people called me um he definitely has a problem that needs to be fixed however it appears we're going to fix his
problem by putting Retention Ponds in two other neighbors yards inad instead of going forward with phase two of the original drainage plan which was approved by the city that we just never did I'm not so sure that's the way to
fix his problem instead of going forward and figuring out a solution that is at least somewhat similar to what we decided not to do in 2017 that's the real problem that's why he's flooding but I I know the two neighbors that wrote the uh emails don't really want to
be forced to handle someone the cities water on their property with with uh sailes Retention Ponds basically is what it looks like we're going to build and so I would encourage Public Works and City manag to look at that and see if we can come up with a solution that is a
little more acceptable by all the Neighbors in the area but we do need to fix Mr Dallas's problem because this fills his garage up every time so you know if that's the only solution we can come up with perhaps it's the one we have to to do
but should have been doing what the city approved in 2017 regardless of where we pipe the water to somewhere other than Mr Dallas's garage that motion no I'm just telling the staff to look at it I'm I'm not making a
motion just for the sake of the staff and Mr Larry here they were they were supposed to start a project two weeks ago somebody told them not to do it I'm not sure if that was a council member or what but but they didn't do it they were they were going to start it today for
some reason they didn't and now they're going to they're ready to start it tomorrow and but now we're telling them to check it out maybe not to start it so I just want to I don't want to direct staff to do anything what happened is they didn't because they got complaints
from the neighbors around okay and all I'm telling them tonight is to see if there's not a solution that everybody's happy with and if they can't find it they got to do what they got to do but I find it hard to believe that putting
retention pond on the other guy's property is the only solution it is a solution probably not a good one coun Bagby yeah now now y'all confuse me all I know is the council in 2017 voted to
not do phase two so yeah that's that's the only thing I actually know about this whole project out of it too yeah the uh but and I just thank God when he was up here talking that I wasn't on the council in 2017 the
uh on that you know if you got to do swells and you need to do a French drain I mean there there's probably a solution that cost a heck of a lot less which may be the reason the council voted it down in
2017 but we do need to start to Mr Dustin's Point start the or Kevin's Point somebody's point start the solution phase of this as opposed to the talking about it phase so uh Crystal oh fabulous job thank you on the
audit okay great job I am so happy uh once again the and then the other thing is uh we talked about Live Oak fiber I've gotten several complaints not just from my neighborhood where they knocked out all the irrigation in the
neighborhood but also from uh people over on Fourth Street where they've knocked out people's cable they've knocked out people's you know other utilities and so I've I've asked the staff today during my meeting uh to
bring back our lease agreement or whatever and to look at what the damages are that can be recouped for these homeowners and if we have any um means of making them whole again cuz when you
lose your cable for you know a week or so it kind of most people's internet is tied to that cable and that kind of hurts you a little bit so I look forward to seeing that on next two weeks agenda and just to piggyback on that I
would also anyone else dredging in general because there's there's a couple contractors out there anybody else yes I found my sprinklers on top of the ground totally dis connected the other day
know Council thanks mayor um I too want to commend you Crystal on doing a phenomenal job getting our audit done and just taking care of the money for the city and finding all the things that we need to know and helping us stay
ahead so thank you it's a thankless job I know you're still there at 8 o'clock at night some nights not getting paid for what you do so thank you um and I do want to add for this gentleman's property tomorrow Wednesday night at
about midnight Des is supposed to get a ton of water the rain is supposed to come across we need to establish a team of sandbags to go over to his house and sandbag his his driveway on Wednesday night and then go back Thursday morning
and pick up those sandbags if we haven't gotten it fixed because it's not fair to him that he has to worry about a rainstorm overnight flooding him so is there any way you can help me with that Larry yes ma'am thank you that's all I got night right tomorrow they said
Wednesday night whatever the night is the rain's coming through can you check and help him out please thank if you get in a buy I live on the next Road over but I'm on the Hills side all I got mayor probably partially my water going down the hill I'm saying I'm happy to help all
right coun gu Bob come part of the plan well when I ran out earlier I went to talk to Mr Dallas as he was leaving but you guys have covered it all so there's no reason for me to hit it have a great
evening thank you so much ccor Schmidt yeah thank you um Ray can you please put at the April meeting ordinance number 05- 4- LC under my name and provide it to on the agenda
is do we get a teaser on what that means it's 10:30 man no no just know trying to go in April fine I'll look it up myself yeah what is this okay we got like a header I have a subject
line she's got a readers on is that do I need to give that to you I literally just gave him the ORD all right fine I'll look it up myself mobile vending but what is it mobile vending okay this is a you couldn't say that
right why y'all coming after me I'm not coming after you you're not being a team player help me out Lally I love my mobile vending we we can that's all I have tonight Mr Mayor thank you though all right thank you I appreciate the discussion all right I have nothing under my name uh except for the next
meeting if we do have one uh Mobility on demand I brought it up I think maybe last year in May um but since we definitely seem to not want parking spaces at our beachfront I think the best way to handle this is through public transportation especially Last
Mile which is golf carts that aren't going over the highway but bringing people from their residential or their short-term rental to the beach on a mobile on demand every other Beach Community in Florida that I go and work and visit has it it's free it can be
brought up in several different ways for paying for it but just going to throw Mobility on demand under my name and Ray I will have a PowerPoint for you on that and that is all I have City attorney pursuant to section
286118 Florida Statutes I desire the advice of the city council in the case of Jeffrey Zurich versus dtin Apartments LLC and city of Dustin Florida 2023 CA 00779 Okaloosa County Florida 2023 and as such I'm calling for an executive
session to be held in the city council chambers at the Dustin City Hall Annex 4100 Indian Bayou Trail Dustin Florida 32541 on March 17th 2025 at 5:00 pm Central present at the executive session will be a court reporter mayor Bobby
Wagner All City Council Members Larry Jones city manager Eric Krebs Insurance defense Council and myself March 17th 5 PM thanks only to be four oh can I yes but it's a it's a minor settlement
all right um C okay do we need a motion yes yes all right well or a consensus to just tell me you are good with March 17th at 5:00 pm all right all right thank you all right thank you C Mel I forgot to say
March 17th is my daughter's spring break I won't be here now we're down to the minor yeah do that make number four or do we know that he's one of the three all right they knew that about you okay gotcha all right public
comments seeing none wait we got one no she's just sitting there no all right