e council meeting to order today is February 18th 2025 and thank you guys for being here and sticking around after my state of the city address I really appreciate everyone here that was uh in the room online and like I mentioned we are going
to move the city forward together one meeting at a time uh one conversation at a time and it's because of all of you that uh this city has so much heart and why there's so much passion to make sure that this place can be the best it can absolutely be uh for everyone who calls this place home so with that we will
move into the invocation by our one and only Pastor David J Butler from Faith Assembly Christian church thank you mayor would you bow your heads with me please dear heavenly father we thank you for our gathering
tonight we thank you for the leadership of our city we pray Lord that you would bless and keep us thank you for the beautiful uh nature that we are privy to live in to work in and father we just thank you that you are the Lord of our
city we ask now Lord that as Proverbs 28:19 states that without a vision people perish we thank you for the state of the city that we just heard our future is bright and we give you the thanks for that and now your blessing is
this may the Lord bless you and keep you may his face shine upon you and be gracious to you and may he give you his peace amen amen awesome thank you for that councilwoman abar please lead us with the pledge please join me with your hand over your heart I pledge to lead to
the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right all right thank you
guys where's Kim at all right before I move forward um it's going to be a little unorthodox uh one of the resolutions that we passed uh last meeting uh doing with the hotel um the
hotels uh I would like to create a motion to resend uh I guess a motion to resend and since I've talked to Kim on this um since I was a voting member for that to break the tie um I'm getting eligible to
bring my one motion forward to resend that I would need a second and then we would disc discuss the resending of um that ordinance for the hotels I'll I'll second it all right so as far as then at that point I'll open for discussion Kim could you help me with the ordinance
number for the hotels yes do you remember it off hand right I'll pull it up okay so uh just you I wanted to be open and honest with it all uh you know it was a long night and I quite literally um regrettably I feel went the
wrong direction in this so that's why I wanted to bring it up uh even if it gets struck down I just wanted the record the public record to show uh where my intent was and that I regrettably went the wrong direction on this 251 C 21 251 CC
251 CC yes all right thank you all right so that is uh the ordinance that is on the motion for resending um with that I'll call the vote to open up that ordinance discuss yeah oh yes discussion on the opening and and just one point on
it and I didn't mean to inter interrupt you council member Dustin but just to the mayor's point we're not resending passage of the ordinance because the ordinance didn't pass it only passed on first reading and second reading would occur at the next meeting anyway so if we do do a motion to resend the recision
would go on the next meeting so correct it may make sense to just vote on second reading and get to the same place anyway but I will leave that to you you can do it either way you can do it either way correct and we talked about that I just wanted to uh have the public record reflect my personal views on the matter
so uh regardless of what happens I just wanted to make that point uh moving forward as far as me being on the affirmative Council meston point of order yeah uh under Robert's Rule the motion to reconsider would be proper first and then a motion to resend so correct yeah we so we're
voting on the rec opening up the uh the motion is to reconsider correct okay not to resent I'm sorry yes correct thank you all right any other discussions on the reconsider motion all right seeing none I'll call the
vote we had to do this when we had a full house didn't we everyone gets to see that I I said I messed up I'm [Laughter] sorry it's r oh no youring
there you go and then all right I have it so moved so we'll push it back to First reading on the next meeting it goes back no so we will put the motion to resend on the next agenda okay and then
you'll vote on that all right thank will it will have both a second reading and a motion to resend on the same agenda fair enough I know it's a little complicated I just wanted to let the public record show it all right so with that I will ask for any changes uh to this agenda or
any additions we'd like to add Mr chairman Mr Mayor for May yes there there are two items that I would make announcements about but uh post posting uh publishing the agenda we've gotten some more information
regarding the uh Community Center assessment and the in intelligent intersections so for for expediency if the council would entertain those under city manager report uh just a couple of brief updates that may or may not uh require action on behalf of the council
motion to accept all right have a motion do I hear a second second I got a second by counc woman treml seeing no further discussions make the motion or call the vote you no for for that for that one thing just just to separate them just cu
the city manager that specifically to the agenda correct and if there's more we'll we'll keep going yep so this is just for the city manager all right I have it all right any other additions to the agenda yeah I I would like to add a nomination of an
LPA applicant Brianna up to growth as well as I'd like to pull consent item three okay um three oh this is the previous
one yeah 3A thank you 3A okay okay all right any other changes all right seeing none I got the motion in a second councilman Bagby we'll call the vote for the updated agenda all right I have it so moved and
we will move forward okay proclamations 1A House briefing Captain F oh yeah I believe it will be Chief beige from the city of Fort Walton Beach even though the agenda said Captain fulam we welcome you Chief beige you you do have to push the Buton
hopefully you don't tell the city of for Walton Beach I'm cheating on them by showing up at a different council meeting I I'd like to start off by saying that was a very impressive presentation mayor I was fascinated by the amount of stuff that you have accomplished and what not just you but the whole city of Destin is accomplished and your vision going forward and I can
see now why I got the short end of the straw and had to present after you because I think it's going to be very hard to present to the level that you presented at so to start off I'm Chief Robert beige from the city of Fort Walton Beach and I'm here on behalf of the Okaloosa County Health Improvement plan and we have some other members back
there Emily Pickins Melissa Gaza Britney or and Beth Smith who is the director of the Okaloosa Health Department 22 organizations had come together at after the housing Summit back in May that I think some of you may have been at to explore different options to bring
sustainable housing to the Okaloosa County area one of the items that we brought up is a community land trust and some of you may want to ask why does a police chief want to speak about a Community Land Trust so that's probably a fairly good question and I can tell you housing
sustainability directly ties to Neighborhood safety and our ability to recruit and retain a productive Workforce not just with and Public Safety but all essential employees that work in our communities so one of the options that was explored at the housing
Summit was a community land trust and the way a Community Land Trust works is a nonprofit buys the land that the structure sits on and the structure can either be rehabed or it can be built depending on the logistics of the site
but by having the nonprofit own the land it reduc it greatly reduces the cost of ownership at the housing Summit I was not 100 100% sold on Community Land Trust I sat in the back of the room and made a few jokes as the presentations
were going on was playing on my phone like some of you may be doing here tonight but through the course of the time and with 22 organizations that all came together and one of the things that they told me that really sat into me was a community land trust is like an
escalator you live in your parent house you save up your money you can rent an apartment you're lucky enough to rent on Holiday Isles which is a nice place to rent and then you move into this gap between true home ownership and renting the Community Land
Trust fills that Gap right there by not having to buy the land you can greatly reduce the cost of ownership and it allows you then to become a homeowner participate in civil engage Civic engagement become a productive member of
a community and bring long-term residents that may not have been able to afford sustainable housing within the community that they work Community Land trusts are a very small portion of the housing market councilman SMI your
brother asked at the city of Fort Walton Beach housing market and uh council meeting and he didn't ask it he made a statement about it this does not compete with the private Market a private Market still has the opportunity to buy the land just like the nonprofit will buy
the land so this does not affect the private Market this is not an ask for government handouts or a big federally subsidized program this is run at a very small community level a nonprofit that has been vetted by the Okaloosa County
Health Improvement plan is the Northwest Florida Land Trust they started in Pensacola and they've been making their way East they have projects in Santa Rosa County and we would just like to offer a we're going to each municipality and then we'll present to the county
that one if you have a community land trust or if you have a local housing plan that you add a Community Land Trust as an option in that local housing plan two that you would be supportive of Community Land Trust coming to Okaloosa County if you're asked by the board of
County Commission Commissioners and three if Northwest Florida Community Land Trust comes to your city at least you know that they're coming with some vetting from the 22 organizations that sat as part of OIP Northwest Florida Community Land Trust would not have
exclusive rights to Okaloosa County you could have one Community Land Trust or you could have 15 Community Land trusts we just look at this time that Northwest Florida Community Land Trust is the best option to start this one strategy that
may help mitigate a problem that every Community has an affordable and sustainable housing so that's my formal presentation mayor I wanted to keep it short and if you have any questions or comments I'm glad to take them at this time thank you for being here and I I've listened in on several of the the
conversations and the zoom calls so thank you for just continuing your dedication and everyone here thank you guys uh for continuing this on and making a summit not just an event but something that we're actually working on afterwards to do something with it so any other discussion comments
concerns seeing none thank you all right we have a trust for public land public trust for land what do we have there's a trust so do you need anything from us to actually help you from when you leave
here I mean a motion of support would be great this differs a little bit from the state land trust where this is done by a nonprofit so the nonprofit would come in either buy a lot of times in Escambia in Santa Rosa County they're looking at distressed properties so they'll come in
and buy a distressed property and then rehab the distressed proper property through a three-way partnership between the nonprofit which then would retain title of the land a person that qualifies based on income and then financial institutions that are
specialized in Community Land trusts so any support that we can get from the local city councils would greatly Aid us when we go to the County Commission because at the county level we're really trying to get this in their ahag plan in
their local housing plan right so is that more of a you need a resolution I mean a resolution would be the gold standard a motion of support would be great or if just individually if you reached out to the county and told them you support it that would also suffice we're letting each Community
decide what is the best route for them to go forward with nice Ville passed a resolution at Fort Walton I provided a presentation like this and I'm bringing back a resolution to Fort Walton and we're going to Crestview next week and we'll do the same thing in cresview so we're trying to hit all the cities and
then allow them to show their support so you could bring us back a resolution so we could be as a team show 100% I read your agenda and I think going forward I have to have a council person sponsor resolution if it passes tonight I would be glad to see if there would be
somebody that would sponsor it I'll be glad to sponsor yes I will I will draft the resolution and I will work with you directly to bring it back in front of the city counc a good thing for us we need that here in D I think it's a it's a great way to help those that want to live here and work here so thank you for being here well thank thank you for your
time and support coun Bagby yeah are we still pursuing the uh orphan Parcels or are y all part of the County's effort so those are separate issues the orphan Parcels work very similar to a land trust where the military will lease out the property what the Community Land
Trust really does is build long-term home ownership because they give you a 99-year lease in most the configurations for the land trust and you can actually inherit that through your family if somebody else if you were to pass away you can pass it down if you sell you
have to sell to somebody else that is income qualified but generally the land trust then gives you another 99e lease for that home ownership so it's really to keep long-term people in the houses and it works different from some other Housing Programs because once you enter
into a community land trust that house will always remain remain affordable since the nonprofit owns the land so other Housing Programs whether it's first-time home buy or some HUD programs a lot of them are forgiveness loans so after a certain period of time those
housing stocks can actually fall off the affordability block the Community Land Trust will always stay as an affordable property so they're similar but different all right thank you so much for your time thank you all right with no other
proclamations announcements recognitions we will move on to the public comments I will start with my right y'all's left and if anyone would wish to come up here and speak this is your time to do so unless there is something on the ordinance for public hearings and then we'll have an individual time to do
those so anything other than what we have on four five a b or c there you go well I have name and address I wanted to make sure you saw me um Jason beler 147
cybered Avenue Council Members um Mr Mayor here tonight on behalf of the destined history and fishing Museum I guess now I can I can consider myself a longtime board member I'm its Treasurer I want to bring to your attention something that I think the council and
the city can resolve uh fairly easily um and probably bring to a conclusion it would help us greatly there are some artifacts that we have at the Museum namely the post office and the Primrose and there is some question about who
owns those assets today they've been um under the care of the museum for years now and rightly so the museum acts as the as the Community Trust for our heritage many new folks coming to the area first hear and first learn about
our heritage and history uh through the museum so it's important to have those artifacts and to have them wellmaintained hence the problem with a unknown ownership and it there are differing documents that have it documented in
different ways we're not certain that the city still owns either of these probably so maybe not and an inventory of smaller items that we're trying to make now but the museum has them under its care what I would propose is that the city staff
work with the museum our director Vivian Williams is back here tonight work with Vivien for some type of resolution it says since these assets have been under the care of the museum for some time and the museum is the de facto separate but
symbiontic relational entity for the city for the preservation of these things that ownership be given to the museum or recognized as owned by the museum probably through some sort of memorandum and I would then further say that we could capture in that memorandum
some sort of deed restriction or ownership restrictions so that if any point in the future the museum cease to exist the City ownership would revert back to the city what this does is it frees the museum up to be able to pursue
grants and other um funding sources to preserve these items that we can't now because one we don't technically own the assets we only care for them and so especially as it relates to the Primrose I don't know I I I have a special place for both the post office and the
Primrose as a part of the Destin forward program for the chamber I was did seven work days and work Crews on both of those projects when we last redid them and Sarah Davis and I painted the entire bottom of the Primrose so it's special to me in a lot of ways uh it is
beginning to sink under the cradles that it's under under the blocking and it's causing some significant damage to the underside of the vessel we would like to see that repaired we'd like to be able to petition for Grants to be able to do that this would help resolve that I would also further ask the city to
consider in years to come possibly even putting a line item in the budget for the support of these and the for the support of the museum if we were to take them on his ownership it'd be great if you could help us out with some funding as well maybe 25,000 or so a year but for now just wanted to bring it to your
attention I apologize that normally I'd stick around to be able to talk with you afterwards and in between but I have to leave for an officer's meeting at my church but wanted to try to bring it to your attention and I can answer any questions and Vivian is here too to answer questions if you have any I'm sure we will get with you do you have anything yeah I moved to have the city
manager work with staff on your board to bring this back and make it happen put it on my name I'll second that got a motion in a second any further discussions for that question it is a motion to have the City attorney look at the issue for us um would you staff the motion was to
have the city manager I can have the attorney too but what did you say to look at what at the issue on the proper way to facilitate the transfer that's correct right and I would just ask the city manager to make sure we do have a reverter clause
in whatever you bring back before us so if anything does happen it comes back to the great seeing no further question just quick question so are are we making are we take claiming ownership of those
properties well it sounds like we need to you're thinking we own them right now but we're you're asking us to possibly just make it official that y'all are going to with the deed of restriction that we get it back if something ever happens well if possession is 9/10 of the law the museum but I do believe that probably even
preceding the uh formation of the city itself I do believe that there's probably a stronger case to be made that these are still city-owned assets okay but in any case I think this needs to be clarified for the sake of the artifacts themselves and the grants and uh grant money yes and Larry may I suggest that
probably would be make the most sense is that let us try to complete some type of inventory to the best of our knowledge of what we think we have whether there's questionable ownership that may still be the cities including these two large artifacts and then have Vivian get with y'all about possibly how we could
formulate a plan to clean this up some type of memorandum of understanding or something like that that's I see Knowledge from Council so a good plan all right well we do have a motion and a second on the floor and just one other comment there is it is a little cloudy on who owns what but uh and that's why
included Miss cop is quck claim the easiest way to do it what is the easiest way there are certain state laws that dictate how we should shall transfer ownership of city property if we owned it I think Kyle Bowman already talked to the museum about this actually um I wasn't a part of the conversation but I'm pretty sure he advised them that we
could um address whether the city owns it or not and disclaim our interest if we have one certainly if we have an interest we can retain a reverter if that's what the council wants to do but if we have already and we I haven't reviewed the history but if we have
already conveyed it and given it to the museum then we're not going to be able to say the museum owns it now they have to determine what happened after we gave them possession but if we kept it then yes we can do the reverter so we'll look at it but I do believe that our special
projects Council has had conversations with the museum awesome with that I'll I'll call the vote all right I'm assuming that's an all yes so moved Mr Mayor can I bother you'all for 20 more seconds sure just to remind
everybody that may I believe it's what day in May uh the first Saturday in May first Saturday in May is the 100th anniversary of the Primrose so if some way we can move Heaven and Earth to get some of the repairs done before then that'd be great I do think we're planning a little bit of a celebration
of sometime I don't think yeah I don't think we're going to put a birthday hat on it like we did the post office last year but uh of little f ye of little faith thank you thank you all very much thank you Jason all right anyone else here public comments yes sir Shane Moody president CEO of the D
Chamber of Commerce I just want to say that's the first time Jason has ever outrun me anywhere um getting up here to this Podium yeah I know he's still here that's all right he still has a vote on my board too he knows I love him yeah yeah he's past chairman he he's not my direct boss anymore he still has a vote
but you know we all know how that stuff goes um just a real quick thank you for me to all of you um everybody up here tonight spoke to Dustin Ford on Thursday last week um the partnership Dustin Ford and city of Dustin day has always been good um Larry even told a joke about
pulling the lever in a voting booth and he and I are the only two who got it the rest of them are like what's he talking about um so Larry called me out on my age um but but the department heads all met with them Recreation toured them Michael Burgess toured them um and and everything but I'm gonna give the
biggest shout out to Tamara because she wanted she said she was in the class last year she said this class has to change and I said well do tell me what you want to do and she said do I have free rain and all of all of you who know me well going to be shock when I said yes you have free rain and so she set
the whole day up and we've already decided to make some adjustments in it some time stretch and things like that so we look forward to that but again I want to thank everybody in the partnership that we have with the city cuz that doesn't happen without our relationship that we have we got two of you sitting up here who have been
through the program so um you know and Jim Wood is sitting back there he went through it and we got him elected and um so um you know all those you trying to say is that a pathway I'm I'm just saying I mean um uh bran Kroger was in the class when it started this year and
now he's just been appointed Special Assistant to Donald Trump that's what Dustin Ford can do for you um so um and also I I know that ebikes and scooters are on the uh agenda tonight we don't really have a position on that you know this because everybody's telling you I
almost hit one every single day um going against traffic they're on the sidewalks they don't obey the crosswalk signs they don't it's there's going to be some bad stuff happening if we don't get these things under control and I know Captain F's got some stuff he's going to share with you um and I just hope that you
guys go in the right direction with that thank you thank you so much all right anyone else here public comments yes sir Captain Gary jar 804 Mar Street uh one official business another a public announcement on Friday March 7th at
10:00 a.m. at the community center we're going to have our second annual Destin fishing Hall of Fame inductees award ceremony uh we have four folks that are going to be inducted uh they will be named here publicly probably uh in the
next few days and then but we'd like to extend an invitation to mayor and and council members to attend that if you would uh it it's uh something that our Sheriff Eric Alden started probably about 30 years too late but uh we're
slowly recognizing the the fishing Heritage the men and women that that were all part of what made Destin the luckiest fishing Village in the world and uh the second thing is uh and I've mentioned this on the public record before and I know we have our visioning
session coming up but I think U during that visioning session and in the not to say you don't have enough on your plate as it is after that presentation from the mayor today but I think it's really time for our community to um have a
charter review I don't think there's ever been one since we've become a city and I think that that's something that uh will take time but I think that's something that needs to be done I just want to put that on the public record and I'll be back up during the public comment of the Livery vessel fair enough
I'm assuming that's what everyone's waiting for too anything else not ordinance related to uh public hearings anyone else have Shameless plugs they would like to add all right seeing none we will call the public comments a
closed and I will uh let's go with 3A councilman Schmidt would you like to start us off for what you pulled sure um I pulled 3A off which is the tdcs expenditure plan for promotion of Tourism I had a meeting today with
our staff a couple questions I asked um I'll first start Mr city manager did you guys get any answer first on the bank account money that we have with TDC yes sir it's it's a little foggy um
their numbers show about5 million however our numbers show about $200,000 uh that there's a large percentage of that money that's been um committed for certain projects uh that
is still in the bank but it's certainly not at our disposal to spend somewhere else so our numbers show that it's about $20 and some thousand is that right Mr Chris yeah somewhere around that number so when the bank tells you that you have $2 million in your bank account are you
going to argue with them yes Orin that sounds like a pretty good victory right there Crystal yeah uh for example um they did not include the $750,000 okay uh for the last two years so there's A1 and a half million dollar
discrepancy right there uh in addition to that they um we have about three point yeah just over $3 million in current obligations and outstanding award balances to complete the um the
tarpon Crystal Beach project as well as this year uh can you pause on that one second please sure obligations that we have to pay back for the loan right that's correct we're using the TW their 12 a half%
money to us to pay that loan otherwise who says that the money has to come out of the bank for those obligations uh we could take it out of our uh general fund out of the adum if you'd like to so if the balance is $3.5 million that's the balance no that's the
those are awards that we are expending right now these are the active awards that we're working on but the obligation is that we have to pay back every year to the TDC a certain dollar amount for that is one of them for the loans right that is one of them
how we pay that is whose decision it was decided uh two years ago when we took that $7 million loan that we would use this 125% money to pay it back at a rate of 750,000 a year so for
example your yall staff is wanting to allocate whatever it is $750,000 for 2026 for 2026 right because you're projecting to use that every year for I think it was about 10 years or so that's
correct so that's 7 half $750,000 a year for 10 years that will pay back the loan the obligations that's correct so then why are you wanting to use the $3.5 million that's in the bank then that's separate
from the $750,000 no that that's this year's payment that we have to make that's not the 2026 pay and then next year we'll get approximately $2 million hopefully from TDC for our 12 half% and if history repeats itself y'all will recommend 700 and something thousand to
go towards the loan and then approximately half a million will go in the bank again so again it sounds like you're you're you are allocating money in the bank towards the loan repayment it's what it sounds like to me no I'm just're no I'm just
making a correction that there's not uh $4 million I'm talking about this year fy2 I'm not talking about 2026 the the data that was sent out by U Charlotte dunworthy and the the TDC showing the the balances of unspent
money had uh mistakes in it that's all I'm saying okay it had about five million dollars in mistakes will we get will we get a actual number at that March 10th meeting by then do you think that's that's when there are design the meeting to hold place where we would get
those capture those numbers but U we did reach out and that was the information we got back but when we were comparing it to what had been committed obligated and otherwise it's confusing okay I get it I get it but I think that that's important to get a lot of better Clarity
that's one item but at the same time we we get to allocate approximately $2 million this year towards projects and that's not true it's not well before I continue why don't you back sure I'll
I'll be glad to because I just C me on that one point right now if okay uh so the allocation this year is 1. n96 987 and now that 1,996 th000 we will pay 750,000 because
we are contractually obligated to pay that back on the loan and we will pay for the Lifeguard whatever Beach whatever we call that line item the 6 oper 665,000 so we're going to pay $
1315 million is already gone out the door of that 1.9 so the remainder of it is goes into the bank and I'm hoping at the visioning session we either because we have some more bank money we can have a conversation
on but remember the agreement it has to be tourism related so I mean there there are requirements it's not like we can just go spend this on my water project at for PR right no you're right and that's that's basically what I said I apologize
if you misheard me but out of $1.9 million that's our that's our bucket this year to do something with and yes contractually we have to to do the loan repayment that's the only item contractually contractually after that
for the past 3 to four years it's been the same thing boardwalk and Beach operations $665,000 of that if you looked at it 450,000 is for regular salaries taxes
and benefits for boardwalk and Beach operations so year after year we get this same thing and we approve it with no further discussion me personally I think we should be using the TDC funds for the projects to better serve the
citizens of Destin in projects that are tourism related that are approved by the TDC I don't disagree with you paying for half a million dollars of Staff salary to go keep them clean to go pick up trash to go clean the bathrooms which they all do a very good job at not
disagreeing with that I I I think we should be taking a lot better look at how we're going to use these funds on projects which we're going to be talking about one here later tonight that could be a TDC is a TDC approved project there's multiple projects over the years that we need money for and then we have
a half a million dollars that's just going to go sit in a bank half a million dollars that we could use for some TDC projects that will not only benefit the tourist but will also benefits our citizens so um my ask is I'm going to make a motion to
have staff bring this back after sharpening their pencils and do something that's going to be more beneficial for the city of D and resubmit this to us all right I I have a motion on the table do I hear a
second all right I got a second by councilman bradden uh councilman Bagby you're up yeah I I think before we go down that road a there's two things need to be done number one uh Chris probably at the visioning session or at
the next meeting uh you give us a breakdown of that 665,000 because I I I think the oh it goes to pay the salaries of our staff that do the trash and do
the bathrooms is not in yeah but there there are more things in there that's what I'm saying and so and then B I think we have some obligations for the two parks beachfront Parks which we are
contractually obligated to pay for which I believe the staff is looking at this bucket to pay for those because we have to pay for both Crystal Shores and the other beach front Park which we will actually start as the mayor told us this
year hopefully we'll start both of them this year but we're going to talk about that in a little bit so I I think uh in the in and if I missp speaking Mr ceding manager you can tell me uh but I
think in the staff's mind they have a lot of this money already obligated I'm not sure that they're prepared to speak to that specific point tonight if they are knock yourself out but you can do it at the visioning session or you can do
it at the next meeting so uh I just don't want to get the cart before the horse I I I hear what you're saying hey I see $3 million and hey I got a plan I can spend $3 million I think the staff may not
have communicated that they also have a plan for that $3 million some of which we are obligated to pay so I I'll turn it over it's a good point but we have an agenda item we have a staff
preparation there's a there's a spreadsheet right here that details the line items of the $600 and something, and and if the staff has a plan for a $3 million TDC bank account I think over the years it'd be nice to have that be told to the city
council who makes the decisions on what that $3 million is going to go to or that we're going to request the county to tell us what it's going to go to that would be my only Crystal the the 3 million is already awarded these were
these are awards that were signed by uh the mayor and city manager in Prior years this is not a $3 million bank account these are awards that are active that are already we already have the agreement signed that's that's I think some clarity that needs to be shined on that
because I think we're a little bit confused on that I don't agree with you and until you can provide that in more detail to the council which I think we will get Larry said but call it 3 million call it 200,000 regardless y'all are still allocating over half a million
dollars towards something that y'all want to do in next year two years three years from now I think that's my only thing I think maybe for clarity it's not what we want to do I mean we do what council tells us to do we told so what
so what did you tell them to do is I didn't tell them to put half a million dollars into a bank account and use it two years from now for a tarpon Beach project I think uh we did tell them to put $3 million toward the tarpon Beach project didn't we well this year we have $1.9 million to allocate
staff is bringing $1.3 million of a plan to use I think I you know so staff is saying put $600,000 in a bank account and use it for a later that's that's what that tells me I say let's let's get staff a chance
and Larry to bring this back to you guys councilman Destin you got anything just for the sake of moving this forward do you have anything else to add I did we uh as Mr BBY said we have obligations on construction of those Parks the two
Tarpon and the other Crystal Beach um I have no problem with staff clarifying where they have the money allocated as far as putting it in a bank account that's an interest bearing bank account is it or not no this we receive
the money on a cash reimbursement basis I have to show them proof of a canceled check at the bank in order to receive the the grant funding so it's not going in a city they don't give advances it's Count's money it for us at at the point
of uh just getting more clarification I don't have a problem with that but I think the motion is to tell them to bring us their ideas on how to more beneficially spend the money and I'm not even sure what the definition of that is or or that their ideas or ideas that I
would agree with I I certainly like to listen to their ideas but beneficially is kind of I'm I'm not sure what we're asking them to do my my ask I guess to update the motion would be to have them bring back a plan of the $1.9 million that we get to use in this fiscal year
on on this request in TDC and not just one point a more detailed plan because a good portion of it is already obligated for those debts we've put ourselves contractually into you if we're asking them to tell us a more detailed plan for what's left over they can do that I like to see it
at the visioning plan okay talking about the 600,000 okay that's left out there that's right detail plan for vising is Friday does that give them enough time to do that yeah to to be honest Bagby hit it squarely on the head we still
have uh according to the U second amended uh interlocal agreement to build Crystal and Tarpon beaches the city still has an obligation of about approximately $2.1 million it does I understand that part um we have currently an award from them an award
balance of $1.6 million towards that obligation so this remaining $581,000 would help us round it up to that 2.1 million that we owe in total uh to meet that obligation but we're waiting for the
county to do a a third or I guess it would be a second amendment to that interlocal agreement when they receed the solicitation results back for the tarpon Beach construction so that should happen this summer yeah and of course if if TDC collections do what they did in
Walton County and go down by 38% then we'll have to take some money out of general fund to make up the difference won't we all right I got a motion on the table I think we've beaten this we got everyone's perspectives I'm want to call the vote the motion is to bring it back no
we can bring it whenever they want to bring it back but bring it back with a more detailed plan of what the $1.9 million is going to be actually bring back the plan semantics bring back every line item you got on this bring well the next meeting I that's up to staff but I imagine the
next meeting they can do it staff when staff when do you think you could have that we should we can have it by the next meeting for sure and just for clarity that's the 1.99 1. n96
987 that's in the item 3A is a more detailed U right plan for those funds my my wishes is is to understand what you're going to do what you recommend to do with the full amount okay very well and that's at the next regular schedule
meeting or the next meeting what exactly next meeting the next regularly SCH meeting March 3D all right call the vote all right I have it 60 um moving forward with the rest of the consent agenda do I have a motion for three B
and C I'll make a motion to approve second all right Council women got the motion in the second and I will call the vote all right eyes have it so moved city manager Mr Larry Jones thank you Mr Mayor and Council the item
4 a is uh request for you to consider a legislative sponsor policy at the last meeting you asked the attorney and city manager to prepare a um policy um uh
resolution to um um address this idea of having a legislative sponsor so what's before you is that resolution and and nutshell any ordinance or resolution U for Council consideration will have to have a legislative
sponsor right thank you for that with that do I have a motion I will move to approve all right councilman dtin moves to approve without his button so does councilman Bagby see no further disc cestin do you
have something to discuss we made it a resolution rather than an ordinance because the resolution could be changed at the very next meeting and if and if we have any problems with it then we can tweak it and make a different but I think it's important that the folks who elect us
understand the policies that we're putting forward and who's putting them on the table all right rightfully so all right seeing no further discussions I'll call the vote for 4 A resolution 2503 all right eyes have it so moved unanimously
thank you Mr Mayor and Council the next item is 4B is in regard to the contract with mg Constructors for the construction of the Morgan Sports Center lighting project um this contract is for uh
$847,000 $239 with the option of a $5,700 $700 Alternate which provides for some technology to um operate the lights um control them monitor them it allow
the manufacturer to also monitor their performance and a number of things that Lisa and her staff may be able to address uh but the overall cost if you include the altern is $ 8979 39 we did confirm that there's not an
annual fee for that application however there we're still waiting to get understanding whether there is a cost to upgrade on an annual basis so we have not got that information back yet all right with that I'll entertain a motion mayor I move that the city
council approve the contract and change order with mg construction for rfb2 24-14 for Morgan sports center field lighting and authorize the city manager to execute both documents and issue the notice to proceed I'll second that all
right I got a motion and second by councilwoman AAR um any further discussions uh councilwoman br thank you um is adding the $70,000 basically remote control Bill turn the lights on and off is that in
the motion we're approving that too yes yes that's the change order that's 50,000 I was told 70 is it 50 or even even $50,000 I don't I don't think it's worth spending $50,000 at taxpayers money so they can turn the lights on and off with a
phone 50,7 yeah ,700 so with that I can't support it support this motion with that all right right note taken all right any other discussions seeing none I'll call the
vote all right I have it 61 51 51 thank you all right Mr Jones Thank you Mr Mayor U next item is item 4C which is regard to the pickle ball court um that we've went out on multiple
occasions for bids uh we received one response this time uh again uh at $6,495 is substantially uh higher than what we have budgeted for that facility um we
have had some interest in uh post uh award or post uh bid opening uh we actually um have belief that if we reject this bid and go back out we will get some more interest uh we are working
with some folks and uh that um are is in the pickle ball world and realm that is willing to take our um bid documents and get them into some hands of folks that they know that do these
things so we believe we will have some better response next time uh we also are looking at perhaps the idea of my term reverse engineering this project that seems the the restroom component is the driving of the cost higher that we may
need to look at establishing a facility with appropriate restrooms and maybe have to scale down the the court size or number of Courts initially but that it's easier to procure Grant fundings for a
expansion of a a part as opposed to the development of one which would incur the cost of the restroom so we may look at it from a couple of different angles to try to get some uh more favorable bids in but our recommendation tonight is to
reject the one bid that was received and go back out for bids with perhaps some changes to the documents to work more in our favor all right thank you Larry and I'll just Echo what he said said on um some of our local contacts and uh Tracy click scale and a few others that have
been in here with their paddle boards before um they're they're aware and they feel there's several local contractors in the region that have just done this in uh neighboring counties and we we should be able to get much closer to um a reasonable ask um with that uh oh I'm
see I see you guys are doing now all right councilwoman traml is that with the motion yes I'll make the motion push the button push the button I make the motion that the city council reject the bid from Big's construction company for RFB
24-15 re and that the RFB be read advertised I second that all right I got a motion in a second uh up first councilman Schmid thank you Mr Mayor did we ever get the first bids the first time that it went out to bid or did did it did they never come back the first
time it went to bid yes sir we got um several bids and they were still extremely high they were extremely high yes sir and those were rejected we went back out again um and we got one bid uh there was another one that was submitted
but it was not timely were the was the first one were any of those the local companies that you're yall referring to or I don't believe so I'd have to go back and look somewhere out of Jacksonville and somewhere and then the current bid is to do a four court system
is that is that am I reading that correctly that's correct yes sir y right so let's just say this wasn't budget would staff be supporting this particular bid like would be okay with it I would think if if if we had
anticipated the cost being somewhere close to here certainly we would move forward withing um I mean I'm I'm fine with rejecting going out to bid for the third time um but I'm also skeptical of going back out the bid to
get a cheaper price to have less courts and then expanding in the future um I I don't support that for example you know we just talked a minute ago about nearly $600,000 of some money uh
we could throw $300,000 towards this pickle ball project and break ground after they sign this contract that we've been telling people for years that we're going to do pickle ball so um that's just one example but I can't support continuing to kick this thing
down the road people have had two attempts now I don't want to make it smaller in my opinion so that's my thought I agree Council medes well I tend to agree with Mr Schmidt so I take it for granted that he's making a substitute motion to
reject all bids but to not reduce the size and if he is I think that was comment that's fine I mean not that I want to put words in his mouth yeah yeah that's my substitute motion all right I'll second it all right fair enough I got a motion a second for the substitute
um let's y I see no further discussions we'll vote on the sub I'll keeping me on my toes all right I have it thanks Kevin right Mr Jones next item is uh regarding the partk Recreation fee schedule um we were
instructed to uh take the Fort Walton Beach uh schedule of fees and apply its those fees to Destin usage and uh compare what that looks like um in a
nutshell it would generate about $20,000 in additional funds if we utilize their fees only because there are things that we do in the city of Destin that Fort Walton Beach does not do like padded football and some of those other things
that the cost uh fees are pretty high because of what it takes to put those programs together um the um before you are the fees based on the Fort Walton Beach fees then a comparison to the
Destin fees with the fort Balon Beach fees you'll see one of those that have red lines in or uh yeah red lines uh that show the things in Destin that are not in Fort Walton but at the end there is a two-page document that would
reflect the Fort Walton fees uh if the city of D were to adopt them and what those fees would look like all right with that uh I'll entertain a motion uh councilwoman traml I'll make the recommended motion to adopt the fees
as presented in the attachment all right I got a motion do I hear a second Mr Mayor yes sir if I may and before we get a second we would also like to add a a statement that for nonprofits uh
consideration that the uh but to Handle by contract at the council level as opposed to having a fee structure for those I the uh Destin high school perhaps Little League some others that you know the council may wish to
have some consider for outside of the feast schedule that be by contract all right noted thank you for that all right I still have a motion on the floor without a second do I hear a second second all right I got a second by councilman Schmidt U first discussion up councilman
Bagby and then a whole bunch of others and then also push your button in 341 of the slides and this this is the thing that we've been the reason we haven't been able to
fix this in a while so we all agree that we should underwrite our Sports programs and our kids programs and stuff like that the the question is uh you know we've been trying to recapture particularly with Morgans because a lot
of folks who aren't from here use Morgans and the community center because there are groups that aren't necessarily in the city and I appreciate the mayor's one Community but they're not paying the taxes to or not the community center
okay but if you go to slide 341 or page 341 on the uh read Ahad packet just for the sports complex and the community center what we're projecting this year with the current uh I believe the current not the
additional 20,000 is that we're going to bring in $2,341 total for this is the sports complex okay and we're going to spend uh 3, 381,000 now part of that is we're making
some upgrades the lighting and other things that need to be done that shouldn't really count against this but what we have talked about continuously is not making it pay for itself but at least getting it closer to helping us so
that we're not completely subsidizing because uh and so we're not there yet because on the community center we're expecting $ 22,6 in revenue and expenditures of
1.85 three five um sorry 665 million for a deficit of about 1.6 million okay 1.65 million so that's just on the community center so for the two
of them I think it it totals 1.6 and 3.35 million of subsidies for just these two this isn't Buck dtin Park or any of the other Parks or any the other things that we're doing so I I'm not
sure uh the fee schedule that is before us actually does what we have asked the staff in the past to do I understand why we went through this to show well Fort Walton Beach does this yep you know we're we're if we want to keep the
locals prices comparable with Fort Walton Beach and charge the other folks that are not paying into our tax base that uh I'm you know more more then I that's where I would prefer we go but I can't
support you know subsidizing those just those two facilities not all the other facilities that we also support uh writing off $5 million this year so I just want to make it it's nothing like I said if you want to charge the locals
exactly what you charge what Fort Walton Beach charges and charge everybody else out the Wazoo I am more than happy to do that all right C Schmidt thank you Mr Mayor um you know excuse
me a couple years ago we started talking about the fee schedule one of the main reasons to start talking about it was to charge the citizens less to go rent a pavilion at our park and um that was what started a lot of these discussions
over the past couple years because I think the citizens were paying too much to do some of these things and so I appreciate what staff has done uh they did exactly what we asked them to do at the last meeting um whether
you I hear what you're saying we're losing money at Morgan Sports Complex in the community center uh you but you're you're you're just picking away though at a large mountain
that that uh the goal of those complexes is not to generate a profit I don't even think we will ever break even it it's it's not what it's for um and so we've been blessed to have sports
tourism be a a growth across the country and and destined as a Premiere vacation destination we reap the benefits from that as well from All Sports um and we will continue to do that uh but
at the same time if those tourism Sports things didn't show up here like they weren't 15 years ago there would be no income really at those complexes so you know what what we're getting we're blessed to get I think I think it'll get
better as we improve that complex all of our complexes across the city um but I I do know I've spoken to Residents I've spoken to organizations nonprofits what is being presented to us
tonight is going to be beneficial for not only this the citizens but also our customers that want to come rent facilities outside of the city uh it's made it easier more efficient and more simple more importantly for our staff because
there's no more variety there's no more ranges it's very simple for whoever answers the phone at the community center to tell the person on the other line exactly how much it's going to cost to go rent Buck Dustin park or the community center or
whatever so I think this is going to benefit everybody um our staff citizens and and the visitors so um I definitely support it and this is this is fantastic so thank you right cman Dustin thank you mayor uh the motion
before us raises the fees by what percentage in other words we're not lowering the fees we're raising them correct by some amount how much more money are we going to generate 20,000 that's I think well the the
reason it would generate more funds is because of those that are more costlier to put on that Fort Walton Beach does not have right uh I think by and large the fees are either
neutral or probably down a little bit there may some that bumped up but um Lisa I think she can probably confirm that you know they went through the exercise of line item by line item but I think that by and large they are a little bit less than what ours are
currently is that I don't want to interrupt you but Leonard dtin Park is $65 per day to go rent The Pavilion over there from what from my understanding versus what it used to be of nearly 150 or so so there are some reductions there
are some deductions for sure okay and so this I'm I'm sorry my computer's not bringing up the the article so this motion is to adopt the fort Walen beach model or just the one that we had before the one that we have before us which was
using the Fort Walton Beach's model and then modified to only use what city of Destiny offers okay that's question I needed answered all right any other questions comments so my question to you Lisa you went through this and you know
what it costs to upkeep not that we're trying to make a profit but upkeep some of the things that we're allowing folks to rent are we still able to manage the upkeep the Manning and are we taking a a ding to get prices quote down to a a
lower level with these fees we will be up 20,000 you know I mean with the revenue that we brought in in 2024 so that that there is going to be a
little increase but those increases are you know sponsorships or you know it it levels out where um there is an increase but not so much I don't know of anything that yeah I say not so much to the
individual is kind of how I interpreted can you think of anything that really is increased no because I mean in terms of an increase we'd probably have to go and look at exactly what would go up but it balanced out in the end ultimately we're not losing money we're able to make a
little bit more money by equaling this across the board then so this is in your your recommendation I mean you run the parks and wreck so are you good with how this has turned out and what you're presenting to us you're we're all good okay that's what I want I want to
support something that you know we've done the right thing as well as for our our residents too so current fees and if we went to with these it was four 479 and it would be 499 so that's 20,000 thank you and
thanks for all the work it took for your team to get all this done so I know how much it was so thank y'all worked hard all right with that um who was our second I got I got a motion of I'll second yeah yeah ccil council member all
right uh seeing no further discussions I'll call the vote Yes who seconded it uh Schmid no but thank you for using your software yeah all right I have it 51 so moved all right Mr Jones Thank you Mr
Mayor and the next item it is regarding scooters ebike traffic regulations uh you asked us at the last meeting to meet with the sheriff's office um and bring you some information regarding uh scooters ebikes bicycles
and the such so uh Captain fulgram had done a great job of bringing us some information that we've presented to you in your packet you have um from statutes definitions uh electric bike and personal um ass assistive Mobility
devices regulation bicycle regulations electric bike regulations motorcycle and mopeds micro uh Mobility devices motorized scooters miniature motorcycles requirements bicycles and other pedestrian Vehicles sh so there's a lot
there um bottom line U bicycles by Statute are allowed on sidewalk by Statute anywhere a bicycle go a electric bike can go a scooter can go the little three-wheel uh scooty uh kind of things
go um pretty much anything that you can ride on can go um that's by Statute uh statute Al also allows the City by ordinance to regulate what can be on a sidewalk so you can preclude them from
being on a sidewalk if you so choose move them into the bike path of the street um at at your discretion um there's some statistics there as that um from 2021 to 2024 there were
no ebikes or bicycle U hit a pedestrian in the city uh however there were 50 uh incidents where a vehicle hit a bike of those 70% of the bikes were on the sidewalk with a majority flowing
against the traffic and 20% were hit in bike Lanes so I'm assuming another 10% were hit on in the roadway or intersection uh an interesting um fact that I scap foram to uh confirm earlier
that just as a pedestrian has the right to that crosswalk so does the bicyclist so does the ebike or whoever happens to be in on that sidewalk has the same right as a pedestrian as far as entering a crosswalk uh across an intersection um
you know obviously they have a responsibility to to be smart and you know don't jump out in the front of the car because I'm in the crosswalk and I dare you to hit me because you'll get hit and you're going to lose that battle uh so a lot of lot of information there but the again the Crux of it is wherever
a bicycle is allowed the scooters and the ebikes are allowed as well Captain cover that well anything you might want to add yes sir you covered it well and U I'm be glad to answer any questions uh I don't know what to add other than what Mr Jones
said is that if you're able to ride a bicycle there you're able to ride a knee bike there unless the city decides to um pass an ordinance otherwise all right uh councilwoman treml I was just going to make a motion
that uh all these details be sent to the public works and Safety Committee and have them come back with a recommendations uh as to whether or not we need to address an ordinance or not second all right I got a second by councilman dtin Jim don't blow the lid and councilman Schmidt you're up next
sure I got a few questions one for for Mr wood has this come to that committee before yeah come on up here y yes sir I'll answer yes I was [Laughter]
there just for for memory of kicking it back to the committee again I'm just curious you can give us an update as the chairman right of Jim Wood 3790 missed away I the chairman of the public safety and Public Works committee and yes it has come to us for some discussions before uh I've done a lot of research on
this issue talking with the sheriff's office talking with the city staff uh I had seen a bunch of comments on nextdoor.com almost a year ago people complaining about bikes being on the sidewalks well the law says you can be there you know we built lots of our
roadways without bike lanes because we built water sidewalks we made a conscious choice so to kick every back to the street now is a little tough for me as the chairman uh so I know one of my members wants to take this up again so I guess we're
going to revisit I mean most things are in the statute uh if you want something different you know we can regulate uh question is what do we want to do and how much liability you want to accept kicking back folks to the street when there's no bike Lanes there unless
we're going to put some pretty colored lines on the streets to simulate bike Lanes I had a slide like that you did I saw it so but it it is going to come back to us we're glad to take it up so thank you Mr CH for making that motion we appreciate that any other questions
sure probably yes sir yeah um Captain fulam can you speak to the accident that happened the other day on Legion and the neighborhood entrance are you able to give details on that yes sir uh basically you had a uh an scooter that
was operating on the sidewalk and you had a a truck that was making a leftand turn into to the area and the uh scooter had to ride away it had already entered into the crosswalk and the truck struck
them didn't see them okay let's get rid of vehicles right if I may add to your question sure uh I've had a lot of issues with this point here so if I'm coming out of my neighborhood Harbor Breeze on on Airport
Road so I pull up to my Stop Bar Bar I'm looking both ways I'm used to Walkers joggers normal bikes going 7 to 10 miles hour but the ebike closes so much faster on the intersection now one there's too much
Greenery in a lot of places you can't see so the vision triangle is blocked by time you know this is like a basketball play is it charging or blocking valve so if I get there first to my car and I'm set there at the Stop Bar ready to turn
and I turn and and E Bike comes to it hits me on my pasture side door that's not my fault I was there first set ready to go but if I pull up and I'm coming to the entrance and here comes an ebike I don't see he's already committed and I
hit him that's my fault right but a lot of folks don't know who's at fault in each one of those cases I'm afraid of that rule because I don't know when I'm at fault and when I'm not and I don't want to get a ticket for something that right is not my fault so um one a few things and I'm excited for it to go back
to you guys and and I would ask that when it does Tamara and everybody else really publicizes that meeting to have the public as noticed as possible that that item is going to be discussed because I think there's a lot
of public input on that that would be very beneficial for that meeting two um a lot of the statistics from the past years to me aren't as big big of a deal because this is becoming a newer problem
is it a problem today you know we spoke today their staff okay it might not be a problem today because we're not seeing all these accidents but I think it will be a problem tomorrow and so it is I think it's a dire need to do something but then lastly it it is nerve-wracking
to send all of them to the street I agree um not all of the people on these bikes or scooters are all adults and 30 plus years old you know just as many are 10 11 12 13 years old um and that's a
whole another discussion so it's we need to do something and I think we are and now it's going back to you guys and and I feel I for one at this point don't think we're just kiing it down the road again um because this is a a very
important topic I believe and and action needs to be taken even if it's putting lines on the side walk and there's all these ideas that I think we need to get behind to be creative for so thank you we're looking forward to the discussion so thank you we got so you might as well just hold okay uh C Bagby Destin then
traml then a bear okay um okay so what the good Captain told me was me wanting to put signs on the sidewalks or paths or whatever the heck we're calling them saying no motorized vehicles isn't going to fly so that's fine uh what one of the
ideas I'd like for y'all to consider is put rumble strips probably 20 yards away you know what I'm talking about not not the rumble strips like we have the big ones for the cars but rumble strips so that
when I take my ebike over you know I have to slow down a little bit I don't know they probably try to catch air but because I have the same Pro I have the same problem coming out of my neighborhood you know I look left I look right okay I look left because that's
the traffic as I pull out invariably some some kid going to work on their little scooter motorized scooter Zips right in front I'm like it's just a matter of time before I hit one and it's like now I know I just pull in across
the bar into the crosswalk I'm already in the RightWay okay so you're the blocking guard yeah I just block I just block it but no just th proving that government's not the solution yeah yeah just think outside the box and uh you
know rumble strips or something or something that says slow the heck down and and if I made one more comment now we talked about earlier I think there was a comment about about bikes going against traffic now if you're on a
sidewalk there is no rule to go with traffic on that side of the road now if you're on the roadway there would be but on a sidewalk there's not so you still got to look both ways multiple times so that compounds the problem all right C medes yes sir I just would reiterate our
problem seems to be speed and going against the flow of traffic if we could figure out a way to address those two because same thing as Jim you know coming against the flow I've almost been run over twice uh there was a Youngster in scambia County two days ago that was in a pretty serious accident on the
ebike doing the very same thing and even Saturday Night Live had a skit on their 50th Anniversary show about how danger it was to walk on the sidewalks to New York for the bikes so it's a problem that's coming and even New York is exping it experiencing it so we can slow
them down and convince them not to go against the flow of traffic that would help I I'll tell you this to me speed is one of the biggest issues I mean the state statute says 15 miles hour on sidewalks or multi-purpose path the [Music]
new specifically constructed class one two and three ebikes have speedometers on them they have horns to warn somebody you're coming uh but if you try to do speed enforcement on an ebike the radar fan is like this here's the bike there's
a car over here you're going to get the car not the ebike so it's almost impossible laser works a lot better and more accurate councilwoman tra I gotcha yes ma'am you know all the things we're talking about here going the wrong way down the sidewalk those can be
ordinances it said you know we want you to go a certain way down the the sidewalk uh those those are the kinds of things I'd like them to bring back and also I know years ago we used to do a bike safety Public Works and safety did a bike safety for the kids why don't we
do ebike safety or motorized scooter safety or something like that uh to let our kids know I have a kid in my neighborhood that rides a go-kart I can never see him because he's way down there you know and and he's eight so it's crazy and he's driving on
the road the sidewalk because there are no sidewalks in my neighborhood so you know they has to be on the road you know I mean that's that's what you get we're on the sidewalk list so hopefully if we get a sidewalk in the next five years he can be there we're glad you're
going to get those are the kinds of things I think that public works and Safety Committee can bring back to us after they look at all of the complaints that you guys have seen and we've seen and and come up with some way that we can uh legislate that through ordinance
or something all right looking forward to it all right any other questions uh the board is clear yeah the one thing I was going to say is on what Sandy had to say but I also the 30 m hour these ebikes are a lot faster than they have been and that's the problem is because they're so much faster they're coming
down the sidewalk and you're walking your dog and all of a sudden that ebike is cutting out into the street because it's just chaotic so I'm glad you're going to look at it hopefully we can figure something out thank you Jim thank you m a just a a point of clarification on the ebikes by State Statute if they
do over 28 M hour they're not an ebike if they do over 20 if they do over 28 miles an hour they'll be a moped and if I could add something councelor a be it's Michael over here um if you read the definitions for ebikes it requires the bicyclist to Pedal a lot
of the devices available now do not require you to pedal or they have just a thumb throttle you press the thumb throttle and you're off on your way um in addition the I think the battery size is limited to 750 watts go on Amazon and
see what's available out there now they far far exceed that so I don't even think they meet the Florida state statute definition of an ebike anymore no and that's what I was saying earlier is they Wen they would not be ebikes they would be mopeds at that at that point and if you know and I'll I'll
certainly work with Mr wood and his group you know if we can come up with a way that the city can pass an ordinance where they can be easily identified U from someone you know say they have to have something on their ebike designating it as an ebike and
something on their moped designated as a moped that you can see from a distance there there's a lot of options that we can work with and I'll be more than happy to work with Mr Woods group to to see that thank you appreciate that all right my final comment before I call the vote is I don't think ebody B are
the evil I think the evil is that we don't have the infrastructure designed in place for them we can all agree that Destin's number one issue is traffic and the people on the bikes are not on cars which would be one step closer to relieving us all not going in the same
form of vehicle to the same places at the same time because we all have the same nine to five jobs so there there as always there's a given poll to all this but I would just like the committee and everyone that comes to this uh disc discussion to not see ebikes at least
the defined regulatory version of these ebikes as a thing that we must overcome it's something that we must adapt and design around and with that I will call the vote to send this to Public Works and Safety Committee all right I have it so moved
Mr Jones Thank you Mr Mayor items 4 FG and H are your uh TDC monthly report operations financial report and capital project status for your information and
if you have no questions on any of those we will move on seeing none seeing none item um so the the two items I ask you to add to the agenda one was the community center update uh we were asked
to uh procure quotes from three firms for building envelope assessment for the community center uh when we published the agenda we had we had none but we have received one uh which is for $14,100 which is certainly within my city
manager spending Authority but absent uh bringing it to council and um letting you know where we are and that I would I would hesitate to do that so what we'd like to do with your con is to Simply uh get the other two quotes
that we're expecting any day and move forward with the most favorable one um so just give you an update on that one um and absent any further Direction that's what we'll do the other is the um regarding the intelligent intersection
Workshop we did get a number back from Baskerville Donovan for $115,000 just to hold the workshop which we think is uh quite uh cost uh there will be a presentation I believe Thursday at the TPO by a group
that does these systems so we're going to try to reach out to them and see if we could get them to put us on a workshop and not go to this expense uh but unless you want to approve us to move forward at a $155,000 clip we want
and I think like I said I think that was somewhat excessive and it's simply because Bas Donovan does not have that expertise and they've been bringing in others to do it uh but we wanted to bring you that update but we will reach out to the folks that will be at the TPO on this week and see if we can line
something up with them all right so with that are you looking for a motion for either one for direction I don't think so I think we're good either way okay I mean um unless there's you know discuss other direction I think we're good seeing none all right y all right
announcements announcements y announcements that was oh anything else I mean I any further announcements I only have two tonight the first is last fall you'll remember the rotarians came local rotarians came before you and requested uh permission
to raise funds and install the prts the personal rescue tubes and the council unanimously approved for them to do that so a huge shout out to them uh this last Saturday they met out at the beach uh when it was drizzly and a little bit
chill and they did a fantastic job and installed eight uh eight of those at different Beach accesses so thank you very much to the Rotary Club as well as to the council for approving that while we hope they're never needed uh they're there in case they are so that's great and then also it's already been said a
couple of times but we do have our visioning session this Friday from 8:30 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. and it'll be held right here in the annex and of course that's open to anyone that can make it we'll have some of our partners Shar sh a little bit about their vision of this
coming year our city manager HR and others and of course uh we need our Council perspective on where we as a city are going to be going so we hope there's a nice turnout for that on Friday that's it and I messed up and it's council at city of D not the city
of D told May mayor Wagner he did a phenomenal job with his state of the city address but he encouraged everyone to email the wrong email address so it's called politician move I was I was I was going to let him like yeah be more sve as he corrected it but thank
you so yeah it's it's council at city of dus.com awesome thank you for that thanks yep all right public hearings Miss Kimberly cup so the first item is not actually an ordinance but it is a public Workshop concerning the adoption of the city of Dustin's new Mobility
fees based on the mobility fee study and the purpose of this public Workshop is to demonstrate um the extraordinary circumstances that exist in order to justify the feat increases and I believe the um consultant is
here hi uh good evening mayor and Council uh can you all see my screen all right yes yes okay great um make it full screen for you so uh my name is Lauren wit great to see you all again uh I'm
with my uh cooworker Alan Steinbeck who's been here the last few times uh so we're here to just continue the discussion about the mobility fee study and uh fee schedule from uh November I believe was when we were here
last so first just quickly to go over what we're going to talk about um the schedule for the study with some important Milestones the extraordinary circumstances that um require the need for the increase as well as the workshops Pol policy discussion uh
discounts and then a few examples on fee calculations as a followup from last time so first the schedule so the Florida Statutes require that the uh Mobility fee study with the fee maximums is approved within one year from the
study being initiated so the study was initiated in June 27th of last year uh completed on November 18th tonight is our first public Workshop there's one more required public Workshop to meet the statutory requirements and then the
ordinance approving the fee study and fee maximums must be approved by a two-thirds vote uh like I said within one year so June 27th of this year those um any fees that are that become effective um must happen at least 90
days after adoption so some important notes about this process uh so while I went over the 12 month month time limit there's no time limmit for fee discounts based on city policy decisions so um the fee
maximums and the study that generated those fees must be adopted but you can continue to discuss fee discounts and you don't have to uh Implement those fees within that year uh which is the second point that it has to be at least
90 days from adoption of the ordinance to the um effective date of the fees but that can extend beyond days there's also a few processes that uh must take place before the fees the fees can be put into place uh which are
the comprehensive plan and LDC amendments So currently there's an existing Transportation impact fee so the mobility fee will rep replace that Transportation impact fee so the extraordinary circumstances
um and this is what is requires the um the fees to be increased above and beyond the phase and limits that are in the statutes and also why two workshops are required so that um the public is notified and educated on that and of
course given the opportunity to come and speak to you all about those fee increases as well so as you all know um there's been no impact fee increases in 16 years since '08 um between that time you know
a few things have happened uh price increases uh or impacts related to covid-19 played a big role um between March 2020 and November of 2023 uh material prices surged by
32% also between 2008 and uh now there's been s sustained disruption in the supply chains for construction which have led to significant increases in construction prices uh so that's an another big reason why the
um fees need to be raised to the level that they were recommended so moving on to the policy discussion so in November when we last talked to you all um we came away with two primary categories that you all were looking to Discount the first being
long-term single family dwellings and the second being Community serving uses that support the long-term residents of Des uh these categories for discounts are reported through multiple policies that are already in your comprehensive plan that could call for the protection
of these established residential areas of the city so I won't read through all these policies but on the right side of the slide these are just seven policies in your comprehensive plan that call out protecting these areas so moving on to the discounted
uses uh we split up the um comprehensive list of uses that you all were provided into to a uh discounted uses list and then uses recommended for maximum fees so as I said before longterm single family dwellings as well as those supportive
uses such as shopping centers supermarkets Banks Auto Parts restaurants offices hospitals nursing homes churches schools and daycares are what we're recommending for those discounted uses that support the long-term residences and then the other
categories outside of that list would be recommended for Max maximum fees um including the short-term rentals multif family housing mobile home parks hotels automobile sales convenient Source Gas Stations golf courses marinas industrial
and warehousing so the discounted long-term residential uses so this table is for um long-term single family dwellings and um the you all directed us to keep these fees as they are currently for the
long-term single family dwelling so that's what we've done um we applied the necessary discount to reduce the maximum fee from the study down to what the current Transportation impact fee is for a single family dwelling so that discount percentage ranges from 91 to
94% but those fees in the adjusted fee column are exactly the same as they are today discounted non-residential uses I won't go through this whole list but basically it's just the expanded list of what I just went over in the last slide
and a 25% discount was applied to the maximum fee uh and that's how we got to the adjusted fee on the right side of this table so it varies depending on use and also the unit um but I you know I'm
anticipating that some of these may need to be uh you know increased or decreased more depending on policy which we can certainly um go through with you but that this was our starting methodology for um these discounted uses and uses with maximum fees as you
can see the 0% discount is applied so the maximum fee for these uses is also the adjusted fee so if any of these need to be switched to a different category um we can certainly do that but right now this is the maximum fee is the adjusted fee for this
use and finally a few uh follow-ups from last time with specifically how some of these fees might be calculated with properties in Destin um where you know it's a lot of Redevelopment so here's a map that the Community Development Department put
together for us that uh highlights all of the vacant Parcels in the city um and just a reminder that vacant Parcels would have to pay the full uh Mobility fee amount where if the property has an existing use on it it they would get
credit for that existing use so as you can see the highest uh category of acreage for vacant property is residential but I do want to point out that that does not um differentiate between those zoning districts that allow short-term rentals and those that
don't so um just something to keep in mind and finally we have a few examples on how these credits may work so this is a retail to restaurant change of use uh on Harbor Boulevard that also included a reduction in size so uh the existing
Transportation impact fee is about uh $973 to they were applied at credit from the previous building use which was just over $6,000 so the total transportation impact fee that the city collected for this change of use was
3,425 if the proposed Mobility fee uh was put into place the restaurant is one of the discounted uses so that fee with no credit is just under $140,000 the mobility fee credit for the existing retail use is
77,6 34 so the Total Mobility fee that would be owed to the city is just under $62,000 um this shows just kind of the different Avenue that a long-term single family dwelling could go specifically if it's uh converted to a short-term rental
so today the current Transportation impact fee collected for a 4700 foot long-term single family dwelling is $1,896 um if the mobility fee discounts and maximums were applied the mobility
fee for a long-term single family dwelling is the same as the existing uh Transportation impact fee so at 1896 if this home stayed a long-term home but was expanded by 1,000 squ ft there would be no additional fee because
it's already in the highest uh size bracket for homes and if it was converted to a short-term rental went through that change of use process then uh a Mobility fee of $ 51,4 156 would be owed to the city at that point so it
just kind of shows you know the difference between long-term shortterm and you know what happens when the those homes are converted so our recommendation moving forward is uh for city council to go ahead and direct staff uh to schedule and advertise that the second required
public Workshop to continue the discussion and mo move towards approval um I'm happy to answer any questions and go back to any slides I know that was a lot of information um so yeah open it up for questions thank you awesome thank you so much for the presentation and
information up first councilman SCH uh I move that the city council direct the city manager to proceed with scheduling the second publicly noticed Workshop required for the mobility feed adoption and that the City attorney and staff develop the ordinance for the adoption of of the mobility fee scheduled per the mobility fee
study all right you took a breath all right I got a motion on the floor do I hear a second I'll second it but I have some questions okay councilman Bagby and then all right jump in um could you um review again the
extraordinary circumstances at play to justify the fees I'm not really clear on that yep um yeah so first the of course you know there's been no in increases in the transportation impact fee since
2008 um so in that time there have been um you know price increases related to construction partially related to covid-19 policies and then also just generally um you know Global Supply Chain issues so um those are you know
part of the reason why these um the impact fees need to be increased above the phase and limitations that are outlined in the statutes now um because of the current state of where your impact feeds are so because there
um you know pretty low right now it's the 50% increases um wouldn't it really get you to where you where you need to go in terms of your transportation needs that you identified in the Mobility plan um and then Alan I don't know if you want to hop in and add anything else to
that but I would say furthermore that the increases in those costs are the justification for the need to raise the amount per person that would be paid to create the infastructure they need the fee is just unreasonably low to sustain
uh investment that keeps up with the increased demand when new new people jobs and businesses show up okay thank you I appreciate that clarification great councilman Bagby so y'all are confusing me a little bit here we have a workshop within a
city council meeting that we're making motions it's not a workshop it's not a work I'm sorry it's advertised the public Workshop is titling it a workshop it's a different Workshop than the city's known NCL that's Workshop that's
a workshop calls it a workshop if the state calls it a workshop it's a workshop well with or without the motion we are going to have a second Workshop any exact unless Council tells us not to so that that's why that so go to the
long-term single family dwelling I want to make sure I understand something in the process here all right so somebody's got a 476 foot single family dwelling and they build it for their family
they wouldn't pay uh or they would pay $1,896 because that's what the current rate is that hasn't gone up in 15 years or however long it's been right MH so a I think that's too low but I'm not sure
sure when we we get to make motions and vote on it but not in the workshop uh the but if they say okay we're moving or we're downsizing going to move to our condo and we turn it into a short-term rental once that change of use goes
through then the owners would owe the city $ 51,4 56 right yes okay and if they say you know what where're rentals have gone down this
year we're going to turn it into a long-term rental I'm assuming they don't or they say you know what we moved off for work or we were in the military and we were stationed in California now we're moving
back and we're moving back into our house uh we're not going to do short-term rental anymore I assume a they don't get the $51,000 456 $6 back is that
correct that's correct okay and if they How about if they took it to a long-term rental just because short-term rentals were depressed in the area um so long-term rentals are viewed the same as you know owner occupied um
in the eyes of the LDC so um but once it has the approval for the short-term rental uh I mean it it can be a short-term rental but I my understanding is that it if if you get approved for a short-term rental and then convert it to a different use um you would get credit
for it being a short-term rental but you wouldn't get that you know you wouldn't get whatever excess amount back basically you just wouldn't have to pay any new uh Mobility fee for converting it to a less intense use okay
so and on the discounted long-term residential rates I I don't have any problem with you know the first five or six you know I might have a problem and I I'm probably the only one but when you're building a 4,000 square foot
house or more and you're only paying $1,896 in a Mobility fee for a house that you know usually an older couple doesn't build a house like that usually it's somebody that has five cars parked in their yard I'm not looking at
anybody but the uh and five kids maybe yeah well they got five kids with seven cars or eight cars parked in the yard uh you know that just seems very low to me uh the other thing I know we discussed this at the last
meeting uh and that was you know the discounts you you discount things you want more of and you don't discount things you want less of so we don't discount hotels so that's good I'm not
sure I I agree with the discounts on the shopping center shopping plazas shopping plazas 40 to 150,000 K with Supermarket strip retail plazas supermarkets uh Drive-In Banks maybe
automobile parts and service center you know I mean we have a couple but uh maybe one more wouldn't hurt restaurants I'm okay with medical dental hospitals nursing homes churches private schools all those I'm okay with so at what point in this process when we get out of the
workshop can we actually say or have a discussion and say I don't want that's too big a discount or I don't think that should be discounted or whatever and actually vote on it is that like the in
June when we have that meeting I mean I think you can discuss your directive now um and we are listening and we will incorporate it into the eventual ordinance assuming that we are going you know that you want the actual ordinance which would be um after the second
Workshop okay yeah I'm I'm all for private schools and churches and nursing homes and a hospital if we could ever get one here uh and even a daycare center uh medical dental offices and restaurants the other stuff I'm I'm not
client to provide discounts for I'll just be honest with you and then all the things that are not discounted uses with the maximum fees there's actually the marina I'm I might actually do a discount if we can find some uh land in
the city to put a marina uh or on the Harbor or on the north side of the city to put a marina I might be willing to do that but you know the rest of the stuff I'm like no doesn't need need to be discounted uh the marina is the only one that I
disagree with on that slide so uh that again that's just one person's opinions but I would raise the ones on the single family residences uh particularly the the 3,000 to
3,999 and the 4,000 and more I would probably raise those discounts because if you're if you're building a house in this city that size you know you can probably afford a little more than $1,896 for your Mobility fee or
$677 but that's that's just me councilman Bagby may ask a question right here Steve um sorry uh for the yep for the marina when you say that are you talking specifically like a city marina or just
a marina in general that like a private Marina yeah I would I would say any Marena I mean we've talked about having you know the mayor even had in his state of the city address uh but if somebody bought some land and wanted a to build a
public marina uh I would entertain uh giving them a discount depending on you know and I guess we have to discuss a little bit more because the parking and the bathrooms and all the other stuff that goes along
with that yep know and the if if they built it out on norga point you know the traffic through holiday a I'm sure there this room would be filled to the the reason why I asked is just because um if it were a city project the city wouldn't
charge an impact fee to itself um so I just wanted to get that Clarity and then to your point about the longterm to shortterm back to long term um no the like Lauren said wouldn't get that 51,000 back however in the fure
future if somebody were to buy that property and want to convert it to a short-term rental that impact fee would have already been paid and so they wouldn't be charged that that impact fee for the short-term rental um uh in the future so it it's it can kind of be seen
as a benefit you know in that way um obviously the person who pays it doesn't really doesn't really get it so yeah no I mean they're enabling I mean developers do that all the time they're encumbering their project and they say look we've got approval to build 880,000
units here but we're only going to build 20,000 but if you want to buy it from us you get the other 60,000 units if you can y get them approved all right Council M Schmid thank you um thank you ma'am for making the
presentation on the some of these items um are they coming from a state statute for example of why a hotel Motel is the dollar amount that it is versus a convenience store it's not not counsel mment the uh
it is coming from the it trip generation manual and the trip rates that are in that manual it's the industry standard for Mobility demand across uses so they have all these uses listed and we use the trip rates for these uses to
calculate the fees and that's why they're different so you'll see a convenience store has a lot of traffic and therefore a lot of money associated with its demand profile okay and where would um where would like a storage facility fall
under Car Wash warehousing or yes yeah and and mattress stores don't worry y'all about to get your turn up here too but I know I'm halfway joking but I mean you know I'm
supporting Mr BBY as well that I would want to relook at some of these things to be more beneficial to bring people here to build the ones that are going to be good for us and the ones that a lot of us always talk about we wish we didn't have any more of do the opposite
so I agree with Mr Bagby as you're reworking these or the next meeting to take those into consideration I believe probably others would too but that's at least two of us that want to make it
more expensive for the nonfavorable things at least three of us now so anyways but thank you so much for your um start of this and look forward to coming to an end all right I appreciate that and um if I heard that correctly these will be the maximums and then we
can discuss either during this or even after we approve all of this if we want to come up with different ways for them to reduce their impact pack fees for other favorable types of development so just keep in mind these are always the Max and then we can always create new
policies to help others deduct things that we would like to see in general so with that this is a uh Public public hearing so this is y'all's opportunity to now tell us what we missed on this topic so I have public comments on this topic specifically uh so if anyone does
want to speak on this topic this is your time to do so all right sounds like we hit it out of the park yeah that all right closing public comments and I do have a motion
councilman dtin you got yes sorry I no no you're on the on the line had just comment a couple of questions in our current Transportation impact fee scheme do we give discounts I mean if you consider the low
rate of the impact fee right now uh but no there there are no discounts um in the current fee schedule okay and and it's not been changed or raised in how many years uh 16 2008 correct me if I'm wrong Allen or Lauren but 2008 was last
time it was looked at well you know what kind of offends me about the whole process is I would be much more comfortable with raising those fees to an appropriate amount rather than putting this in place which picks winners and losers there's just something about that that
offends me that the government steps in and by graduating what you're going to pay we say yeah we want this guy to pay more because we want to discourage him and we're going to let these pay less so from just a strictly fairness point of view
um I'm always amazed in this deep deep red area we live in that we still think we should pick winners and losers which is what this ordinance does so I don't know um which one of these comments staff will enter into the new ordinance but
those are mine and and and if you pick which ones you're going to interview and put into the the next as it goes forward you know picking winners and losers is a bad idea in my opinion for us to do so that I'm following your logic here winners and losers within the same
Market are you saying as far as providing discount we encourage within the City Des and clearly we're encouraging some uses in some buildings and discouraging others yes now you know I'm kind of offended by
that that's okay all right counc I agree philosophically I do agree with you but at some point we have enough damn car washes okay and we have enough storage units and I get it
eventually the market you know people won't use those you know those car washes will go out of business and they'll get torn down and we'll have a church built there or whatever I I totally and agree 99.9% of the time but
I've just had it with these car washes and these storage units so I'm sorry I I turn in my red card and they may take your red card away from it um and I and I get your point yeah it's just that I'd like to be a little more clear and a
little bit more above board and honest about when we do that right rather than to sneak it in through these fees and yeah the the transportation impact fees are too low way too low yeah you know it's fair just to put them back where they ought to be rather than backhandedly doing this and and
99.9% of the time is probably good enough all right with that I don't have a motion or a second because it's the workshop do we need well we will proceed to schedule the second public Workshop all right okay thank you
there was a motion a second but evidently not necessary the the statue is pushing this through not us for the workshops thank you consultant and and with that I am going to apologize for people who are here for five B and C our
court reporter needs a five minute uh restroom break he's legally bound to keep writing our words so I'm going to take a recess real quick e e e e
e e e e e e e e all right so thank you for your time with during the intermission I'll call
this session back to order all right Miss Kimberly cop thank you mayor this is ordinance 2423 CC an ordinance of the city of dtin Florida requiring short-term rental registrations at multif family units including condominium units within the city of
dtin providing for Authority providing for findings of fact distinguishing between short-term rental registrations for single family homes and short-term rental registrations for multif family units renaming article 6 of chapter 13 registration of short-term rentals
single family but making no other amendments to the regulations for short-term rentals for single family homes creating article 6A of chapter 13 registration of short-term rentals multif family requiring an application for such registration and authorizing
registration fees for short-term rentals at multif family units requiring a local responsible party for short-term rentals at multif family units providing for conflicting Provisions providing for severability and providing for an effective date this is first reading again due to the changes that were made
on first reading of the ordinance last time um Apartments have been removed and this applies to Condominiums all right thank you seeing that this is a public hearing at this time I'll entertain any topics discussions concerns from the public all
I need is your name and address and the floor is yours for three minutes can can wet 4320 Commons Drive mayor council members good to see you again obviously I'm here U because I still think that this is um not right um we stop and think about what the
condominium owners pay in property taxes what they generate in sales tax and bed taxes um they support the local businesses I think that we'd all agree that if if it's tourism that we're going after tourism Al obviously Cuts both
ways if there's no a a decrease in tourism then there's a decrease in the business the same arguments that you can make for for limited service hotels you can you can use for Condominiums because where do these people go you have one full service quality Resort in the in
the area that those people don't go anywhere they have their own Beach service just like the majority of the condos that are on the beach they pay for the the the parking the lifeguards the trash the noise they they pay for all that already so at the at the end of
it all when you look at 2 4-23 CC and 25-01 CC the similarities between the uses of those two products is almost identical and so to say that one doesn't have an impact on the other I don't agree I think that they're both have
very little impact on what you're what you're pretending to say as Public Safety because they take care of a lot of it themselves it'd be different if we're sitting here talking about the city was going to provide lifeguards or the city was going to provide um uh trash and Noise uh patroled at the condominiums or the
hotels but you're not and I get that you don't have to do that that's not what you should do as a matter of statistically speaking I love the conversation about the TDC and I won't I won't get into that because anyways D the city of dtin received
2,565 th000 in TDC funds in 2023 $21 million already but we need more money we always need more money right in 22 it was 6 6,148 and 21 it was 7,269 as that number grows because we
have tourism then the 12 a half% gets the city of Destin more money every single year right and how you use it obviously limited uses is up to you all and if you need more Public Safety there's others way other ways to do it
that spreads it throughout the entire Community instead of winners and losers winners and losers right if there's if we don't want to have a winner and loser then why do there's a condo own have to pay for something that they don't they don't get the benefit of we're all for Public Safety I don't I don't want to
see an electric bike get hit by a car or a car get hit but and if we're focus our energy on who's at fault that's the wrong thing to focus on we need to focus on how to fix the problem right if the focus you have today or have all along as Public Safety well let's figure out how to do that where it spread across the entire Community not just on a
subset of the community so there's no losers in this discussion we can all be winners so that's my opinion thank you all right y push the gray button it'll turn red you don't have to hold it name and address first timer as you can tell yeah
yeah thank you very much mayor and city council members for uh allowing us to speak on this uh topic and and I concur with what uh Mr Wampler said I work closely with him as well my name is John KS uh general manager at the Henderson Resorts both the property of the beach and the resort at 200 Henderson Resort
uh way and you know I'll be short we're not against safety because safety is the number one reason why people pick a hotel or resort to stay at but we provide that for our 170 rooms in at the resort complex the 37 rooms at the beach
uh side and the 100 condos that we manage uh there at that complex so we provide safety nor orance trash removal parking um First Responders AED response we're there first right and like I said
we're all for safety we just implore that the the the that you give this a chance to rethink on how to maybe collect those funds or maybe already already are collecting those funds but other ways to gather those funds from the visitors who are here that this safety and this whole area needs to have
to protect them uh not put it on the homeowners uh the associations that were paying association fee they're paying bed tax they're paying uh their uh all their taxes here to to operate in the city uh to to put that burden a little bit more on the visitor to the point that we can continue to grow our
business here they've been hurting the last two years as we know from the high water Market 2023 in occupancy they're they're hurting and we know this is an important business for this community and uh I I implore you to find another mechanism to get that Revenue that we do
need thank you for my time at the podium thank you anyone else right seeing none Tina can you hit that can you hit that you're like a local come on you know how this rolls all right
seeing none I'll close the public comments at this time and entertain a motion for 2423 CC I move that city council approve on first reading ordinance 24-23 DCC and I have comments all right I have a motion got a second by councilman bradden and
back to you councilman Bagby thank you first of all I owe Mr Wampler an apology last time I I was imprecise in my speaking about hotels and uh the impact on the community although I don't think it's a one for one uh because some
people do come and stay in hotels just for one night as they're passing through or because they have business here and they're going to take pictures of something but I I I was imprecise last
time so I apologize my my issue uh and a couple of things I need to make sure that we're clear about in this ordinance the this does not apply to all condos this applies to condos that are
used for short-term rentals okay these are condos that are being operated as a business and the nature of the ownership of the condos is just like the sing single family
homes okay it's not like a hotel that's why I I didn't support the hotels uh and that's why I think we're going to fix that they uh but it's it's the nature of the ownership and it's the nature of the
use and the short-term rentals whether they're a house or a condo to me have the same impact and I understand yes the condo association cuz I've managed the condo association and I've managed a community that has had subassociations
in the condos in within that community and I get you know the condo provides a beat service or the pro condo provides the trash pickup or whatever I I get that but it's still the nature of the impact on the community and that's why I
support short-term rental condos not all Condominiums short Condominiums used as short-term rentals to pay this fee now having said that uh when we get the charging or the uh rate fee schedule uh
I'm going to make a motion that we charge up to 1250 Square ft we only charge them 300 uh it may be 300 400 hopefully we can agree on something 500 per year even for a rental condo some of these condos
are 890 square feet and to make them pay $500 the same as a short-term rental house that is you know three times that size almost doesn't make sense just
again I'm trying to apply a little Common Sense here but I know tonight's not Fe schedule night but I just want to give the the staff a heads up on that thank you all right thank you cestin just want to clarify the point that Mr Bagby made that we are not
Gathering hotels that are built as hotels into this that's correct that was an entirely separate ordinance that um we will discuss at the March third city council meeting I believe that's one that has been reconsidered right that's the one
just just wanted to make sure my other question or observation is is uh Mr wer is right the impact that these short-term condos most of them that are smaller than the houses is much less and they provide a lot of the services the
themselves so I'm going to agree with Mr Bagby that while they can pay a fee it doesn't need to be the same it needs to be something that's reasonable that takes into the takes into account that they are already providing a lot of these Services already and so hopefully
that's where the uh the tire is going to meet the road on what that fee is and uh of course I understand that fee that we said will determine how much money is going to be rais raed but uh Crystal had a number for us some
sometime earlier in this debate about how much we were going to raise with this Crystal do you recall what that was and what feed level we had that set at just so we can get an overall overall understanding of how much money we're going to raise through
this uh yeah so there were some uh some different estimates I'm just thinking of the the one in particular that I did look at today was um we had as one of the options for heated square feet of under uh, 1500 square feet we set the um
we set that at $300 and assumed that 70% of the condos that are of that size are short-term rentals um and with that assumption that would bring in over $900,000 a year just to give it perspective so the the Target
that we were trying to uh help address um if we we're a constant population of only 16,000 people like the Census Bureau says we are um then we would not need this
additional $3.1 million in law enforcement contracts uh it's because we Bloom to over $100,000 for most days uh of the year now um and that's due to the short-term rental uh turnover um so that's uh that's kind of
where we were headed when this um yeah when we started down this pathway and and I get the calculation you're accurate these short terms are actually functioning as hotels I think they are probably a step above what the traditional Hotel was but they're also providing a lot of the
benefits that the community needs themselves so $900,000 a year and that's every year right that's a pretty substantial amount of money so we're going to have to arrive at what's a fair amount but they will be paying that in
addition to what they're already paying so somewhere here on we'll hit a fee that's going to be fair and not honorous to them and we can go forward to try to figure that out all right seeing no
further um request to speak on the board I'll call the vote all right eyes have it unanimously so moved okay this is ordinance 24 15cc an ordinance of the city of Dustin Florida relating to Livery vessels amending sections 13141 definitions and 13144
application for permit of the city code of ordinances providing for findings of fact clarify ing the definition of Livery vessel providing for severability and providing for an effective date this is second reading uh we have made the changes Council directed at first
reading to this ordinance so it would be different than the ordinance you saw last time but still clarifying the definition um and making the changes expressed in the title all right thank you and with this being a public hearing at this time I will entertain the public
for their comments yes sir John Stevens 4025 Indian Trail uh good evening Council mayor uh appreciate all the hard work you guys have been pitting in this ordinance um I feel like it still needs a little bit of tweaking um the second reading has a lot of language that's specific towards yacht bear boats
which the intent was to be more generic and to be more inclusive of all types of bear boats um So currently in the second reading um it's only allowing yacht bear boats to be non performing legal use um any regular bearboat vessels that never
applied as liery with the city and been operating which is similar to um The Yacht situation are not given the fair opportunity anybody that actually applied with the city for a bear booat to operate legally and was denied by the city is not given the same opportunity
any Livery that had the um had been following the moratorium since 2019 was never given um the opportunity expand so therefore they're not given the same opportunity also um current be bo um or boating clubs are not given the same opportunity so um we
need to make sure that the second reading is more um more inclusive to all the bear boats um so the liery operators uh we've been under Livery more term since 2019 um that's a long time for liery operators to abide by the rules with no
assistance from Code Compliance um if you think about all the fees that's been raised it's been about $300,000 that's been collected in fees what has been what's it been used for only making sure the legal operators are doing what they're supposed to be
doing that's not right you guys need to go after the legal operators you guys need to have Code Compliance at the like walk in the docks they don't need a boat they can just be walking the docks and they can find these illegal operators um and there's all sorts of online activity that shows deliveries be
boats that are operating Destin there's we we can find them um currently I there's even vessels that are applying at a chart of vessels about operating spare boats um so I mean there's there's a potential fix what we could do um with um adding some more U requirements for
registering for btrs um I guess you guys are going to discuss later tonight of a new method for btrs but one thing you guys can do is you guys can um add to the BTR requirements or whatever you guys are going to change it to by adding capacity
of each vessel by knowing these numbers you guys will then know like for instance liery bear boats can't have more than 12 passengers uninspected vessels can't have more than six passengers then inspected vessels um it's pending what the US Coast Guard um
uh passes with their inspection so um roughly there's 24 total registrations that are available with the city from from attrition right now um there are no boat slips available um if there are any boat
slips there's probably no vehicle parking spots available for those boat slips so um pretty much what I think is like what we could do actually I had some other ideas like the the lottery idea um
there's some other stuff that's probably very convoluted so if you guys are taking consideration that we recommend to go back to the first reading minus what DW we added which was and to exempt bareboat Charter businesses based on the time certain that they have been
operations then we could po spend delivery moratorium for 30 days if you want you guys to pass permanent moratorium after afterwards I know that was the intent long time ago but by doing this I don't think there's going to be many um Livery operators that
apply that don't already have the boat slips so it's really going to help the um the yacht bear boats any other bear boats to get under compliance um and this will make it fair for everybody if if a livery guy wants to apply if they can which I don't think there's any car
parking spots available to them um then um what you can do is um for these registrations you can require make sure that they meet the requirements of having a commercial boat slip having their vehicle parking trash bathrooms right away so when they are um applying
if they don't meet those credentials then they can't apply um so the moror has been inv been there for six years so we can actually um offer a back payment of $100 per year so you guys would get 600 you can charge $600 um back when we were applying for
delivery permanent 6 years ago if any of us didn't make it our first year in order for us to get approved we had to back pay for the previous year so it's only fair um another issue um is some of the county county ordinances that we need to
adopt um and we need to add it to section 133-144 which is permanent for application um for one of them there's a County ordinance 22-8 section 12- 238 um what that what that will do is that will require all Livery operators to
attend the county safety meeting unfortunately there was a lot of destined liveries that did not attend because the Destin ordinance did not require it where the Fort Walton Beach ordinance required it and the County ordinance required it um another thing is for safety and this will actually help the law enforcement on the water is
County ordinance 22-8 section 12- 238b which is The Wristband system which is a green there's a green wristband pink wristband there's a yellow wristband which we can get rid of because FWC change your law but that's another thing that we need to add um so on that note I
just want to say thanks for your time um the ultimate goal is to not shut any business down make the definition simple make codee's job easier to enforce ordinance and protect the businesses that are operating legally appreciate your time guys all right thank you
anyone else yes sir how's it going good did I cut in line no can you believe I beat you up here so Jim green 824 North Lakeside I'm also president of the Destin charter boat Association I've been on various
panels um today I'm speaking on behalf of the charter boat Association uh our Fleet came to support the moratorium uh after witnessing significant growth in the livery industry uh with no mechanism to keep it in check having a diverse Marketplace of
water sports is important to offer to our residents and our visitors fishing sightseeing tours parisel pontoon jet skis and upscale Charters are important amenities the dcba supports the guidance given to this Council by its multiple advisory committees include bear boats
and delivery ordinance find a way to include a qualifying business from a Time certain into the ordinance and create a class of vessel that supports the upscale charter service those were the Baseline of the recommendations from all the aps the most important thing to
the Charter Fleet is that delivery operations remain within the level cap by the moratorium the city has registrations that can be utilized for the for the few businesses that would qualify and we would like to see the city act on those registrations and bring qu qualifying bearboat Charters
into compliance within the moratorium two years to come into compliance is an internity especially when we have the means to make it happen with that our Fleet urges you to reevaluate the direction we are going here and use the surplus of registrations available to
provide a path for qualifying bearboat Charters to come into compliance within the moratorium thank you thank you all right name and address and the floor is yours Chuckers 316 Harbor Boulevard and
I would like to second John and Jim and I'd like to make a motion to get these meetings a little earlier because it is past my bedtime and I'm really tired twice a month so I do agree with most everything they said one thing that I want to address specifically is um
you're talking about people that have some liveries that might not be in use at the current moment and putting expiration date on those well you've we need to somehow come to uh an agreement because some of us um have some are
non-conforming for expansion we bought some liveries based on what you've ruled and moratorium and things like that so we have big time investment that we plan on using in the future because things are happening developments doc positions are going to
be open and stuff like that so to say hey if you don't have those by a certain date that you're taking my investment away and that's not right you know if I had them like and I've had them for ones that I've been using and I didn't go purchase any that's different maybe you
could do that but there's got to be some kind of non-conforming situation for people that actually purchased some and had an investment either that or city can give the money back for them or something because I made those decisions and other people made those decisions based on
what you talked about the future so that's the biggest thing that I've got concerned about but I'm willing work you know maybe we can sit down and talk about it trying to figure out the best option for it because I do agree with the moratorium and all of those things but you can't just don't don't destroy somebody's investment that they've been
working hard for right thank you right I'll I'll look at you're out there uh Max Fogerty 500 Driftwood Lane um I guess I'll third what everybody else said uh I think we're all in agreeance that we all just want to come
into compliance and operate legally make the community better um you know we've worked really hard to just be a positive addition and the last thing we want to do is be told we can't do that you know um I think it definitely is a strong
point that we should all be included to have the opportunity to apply because there I know there's a big fear that you're going to open the floodgates and everybody's going to come in and then there's going to be nothing for nobody but you know just like John said there's not a lot of slips available on top of that there's even less parking there's
even less facilities with bathrooms um and the few people that have worked hard enough to secure those locations I think and hold those locations for the time being until all this gets figured out should at least have the opportunity to get their name put in a hat and you know show you guys the hard work that we've
done prove it to you guys not just stand up here and say it but you know like these all all all these guys have said we've worked really hard and we just want to we just want to be legal we don't want to go to bed one day and wake up the next day and read an ordinance that says oh now now we're going to get shut down again and we got to come fight again like I'm sure you guys are tired
of listening to us and having a deal with it I know Kevin's probably sick of me calling him and asking him for questions you know uh but uh we're just here we want to we want to work hard you know uh we're not afraid to work hard we we like working hard and that's that's what we want to do we want to better the
community like you guys can you guys are the best at doing what you guys do and we're we want to be the best at doing what we want to do we want to lift the city up and and I think you know shutting certain people down and not giving them the opportunity just based off of uh you know the fear of other
people that aren't going to do the right thing I I I don't think that's right and um to piggy back off of what John said about the code enforcement and and U you know the people not being able to enforce it and not being people on the docks well you can bet your bottom dollar that if you let that the certain
people apply and they get their licenses that those people are going to be they're going to deputize themselves as Code Enforcement Officers because if I have to pay for something and then I see somebody else not doing it I'm going to be reporting them you know and I'm going to let you guys know exactly where to get them I'll write you can issue US
Reports and I'll write reports and pictures I'll send them right to you guys or or whoever needs to get them you know we we just want to we just want to be here with you guys and we want to help the community and uh the other thing I want to add is and it's one of my fears
um there are some permits out there that people aren't using and there has been talk about them maybe selling them and this that and the other and like again I don't know the legality of that I don't know if that's something you guys need to decide but you know I I've reached out to people I've been quoted upwards
of $20,000 for one of these um for a permit that might have cost $150 at some point and that's borderline extortion like maybe that's the definition of extortion I'm not sure I'm a fisherman turned charterboat guy so I'm I'm doing
the best I can on a daily basis to kind of get through this so you know I hope that that doesn't happen but I just wanted to bring you guys that to your attention that that might happen if you guys shut all out because that might be my only option and I really don't want to have to pay $2,000 but you know I love this city I love what I do and I
want to continue to do it so if that's what I have to do I'll beg borrow and steal and do whatever I have to do to make it happen you know not steal I don't want to do that public record all right thank you Max but uh that that's all I have to say and thank you guys for your time and I'd
also like to add that I love the passion you guys have like all this stuff has been great and uh thank you for all your hard work all right thank you all right we'll bring it back to the captain I'm trying to balance it between one and the other and that way we got a fresh perspective both
sides Captain gar JIS 804 Mar Street and vice president Destin charbo Association um everything Jim said make that simple I just want to remind everybody what a moratorium is and I've been operating under a moratorium since
1996 when they put a moratorium on the chorer fishing industry on how many people that could participate in the Gulf of Mexico to make a living catching fish not everybody can do it and it's might be called extortion but the permit that I got for free because I could
prove historically i' already been in the fishery now cost 4 $3,000 I saw on Facebook today so and there's a reason that permit is valuable because you can make a living with it there's value in the industry same thing
with Livery vessels a $100 uh permit if it's worth $20,000 today that means your business is in good shape so I just want to remind everyone that a moratorium is just that it's to
put a cap on what the industry and particularly we're talking to Destin Harbor uh can withstand and what the community pretty much wants at first the moratorium stemmed out of the thing that the fishermen were being squeezed out of
places to operate their business and we don't have famous or you know historical buildings and and that kind of stuff here in dtin our heritage is in our fishing fleet it's in it's in Mr Destin's family and other families in this community that that created this
place so I just want to and Kim and I have gone around and round around with this and the four years I was mayor in a year and a half since I still want a permanent moratorium that was established in
2016 because that's what even in 2016 we felt was a good solid number it doesn't hurt any single business that's in the livery business in fact it makes every single one of their permits and their business more and more valuable because
that's who can operate has the privilege to operate in our community same thing with the charter Fleet so I just I think that the second reading there's some language in there that my opinion is a little weak sauce I think I would like
to see some of that language put back in there to be a little more firm um there's 20 some permits that the city is holding right now that if some people want to invest the especially these
new um bearboat Charter operations they could purchase or use that permit but to make a special class to increase the amount of participants that totally goes against the spirit of the moratorium I'm totally against and I really you know I
know how the process works and just because it's second reading doesn't need mean we can't have another second reading so I'd like to see some of that language changed a little bit um I think by allowing those 23 um medallions or whatever you want to call them give a
chance for some of these bearboat operations an opportunity to apply for those U medallions and do it that way that keeps that cap that was established in 2016 the number of participants in a
firm position thank you very much all right thank you anyone else hi Gary troop 86 shyra Street and uh own misbehaving with my wife and we've been in business since uh December of 2021 and we have not been flying under
the radar this whole time we thought we were IL legal based on conversations that we had and so and then about two weeks ago had to sign my lease for a commercial dock which is not cheap as you guys know and so you know from my perspective um you know what's most
important to me is that we have a pathway forward at least for the next year so I cover my doc fees you know so I would hate to be put out of business after just signing that lease but you know we don't have any problem with uh meeting all the regulations and rules I think we've been doing it for years and
so um I have no problem with with that um I just want you guys to find a pathway for the people that are doing business the right way thinking that they were you know doing it legally because we were doing all the things the moratorium required anyway in terms of having commercial docks parking trash
bathrooms all those things uh and then running a a high quality business you know and and we've talked about it before we bring we do bring a different um experience to people here coming to dtin you know not everybody wants to fish not everybody wants to go on a pontoon boat and not everybody wants to
go on a yacht so um but you know I think it's a nice uh thing to have here thanks thank you Gary all right anyone else right seeing none I'll close the public comments and at this time if we
want to oh thank you Gary I'll entertain a motion or discussion at this time I think as soon as councilman Bagby signs in do oh uh cman bradden sorry about that yeah all right
um yeah I first of all I know 100% of when I was on councel and we adopted them this or took on this uh Medallion believe it was so we could keep track of know how many boats ponon boats we
had I'm 100% against someone to be able to sell that for $20,000 or $110,000 or whatever that's that's not what that was for I don't think we should allow that as a city um because we're not fixing to sell whatever the 23 or how many we have
we're not fixing to sell them for $20,000 a piece we're going to sell them for 150 bucks and then somebody's going to go sell them for you know 10,000 or whatever somebody's willing to pay for them that's not what that was intended for that was intended so we know how many boats we
had um and I I mean I have all the respect for Mr Stevens he's he's done his homework he's he knows what he's talking about um and I think we need to I think staff needs to get with him and and put a lot
of the things that he was talking about in this second reading um because it all makes sense um I don't have the time to to put the hours in that he's put in and he's it's fair across the board he's not telling us something
that's going to benefit him and his business only um but that's um and so I think we need to send this back and um and tighten it back up um some the yeah the two two years I have no
idea who in their right mind would have come up with the two years to get get these people in compliance that's just insane um I mean we're we're not putting anybody out of business they just we're telling them you got to get do it right I mean I'm not I'm not telling the the
captain back here that you know well I've been running up down the road 80 M an hour for the last 2 years so you going to have to give me two years to get in compliance and you know learn how to slow down a little bit um you know that don't happen um so that's my two cents on it
all right thank you Mr Bren uh councilman Schmidt yeah thanks Mr Mayor and just to just to set the record straight are we able to set Robert's Rules of orders aside while we have some discussion on this considering the considering the importance of what we're
doing no no we don't I mean the discussion is only we must do it after we get the second but before it's open floor or right um I mean a few thoughts we don't have a motion that's why I was technically we need a motion yeah if
someone wants to put a motion but no one pushed it so I was going to let the discussion roll I was just going to set aside those rules so we could have discussion that was the that's what I asked but mayor I moved the city city council adopt ordinance 24-15 DCC as presented all right I have a
motion go here a second all right dies for a lack of a second can I hear another motion sure I'll make a motion to take it back to First reading to follow exactly what was specified at the first reading
which was to define a livery vessel as it was at the first reading and to exemp bearboat char based businesses um no just to remove that so I guess just I don't know actually I'm gonna make a motion to set aside Robert's
Rules of Order so we can have discussion I'll second that Mr can we do that all right I got a motion I got a motion in a second to uh throw the rules out the
window well it's fine then I mean you know we pick and choose when we want to follow that particular rule for years so I'll just start talking if somebody wants to call me to order and tell me to shut up then we'll we'll go that way so put the pen down we got a motion in a second we have a motion a second I'll call the vote because I'm assuming what
we have on the table here for discussion we're going to follow the rules does not have anything to pertain with that motion all right so I'll call the vote um Robert's Rules turning into Bobby's rules I get to vote on Bobby get the
vote oh yeah we're put we're doing Bobby's Rules of Order Now Kevin the floor is yours Ju Just and I before you all get further down this path I I've got to clarify what seems to confuse a lot of people so there is
already in the moratorium an exception that applies to everybody it's not just for Yachts it already exists and it's been there since the moratorium existed from day one and it's never been taken out so anybody that has spent money on their business regardless of what kind
of vessel they are any bearboat can already come to the city council and show that they have spent that money in Reliance on the ordinance and request that the council give them an approval what this one does for the Yachts specifically is it does take away the
requirement that they come to the council because there's a very limited number of them we know what they are we know who they are because they have btrs and because they have a they always have a US Coast Guard license captain on
board unlike other vessels necessarily um they met the definition they believed that they met the definition before we changed it because it said if you have a US Coast Guard licensed captain on board at all times which most of the pontoons
don't but there may be exceptions um but for the Yachts they all do and so um there's a technical difference because of the way the US Coast Guard regulations are and the Federal Regulations which are different from city codes so they mistakenly believed
that they were exempt and they were operating and so we did include them in this ordinance to recognize that all that occurred but that does not mean that other vessel owners can't come to the city council for an exception if
they have spent money and believed in good faith that they were in compliance with the code so I just want to make sure that's clear because I'm surprised at the confusion on that it's been in place for many years all right thank you for that
so one point please Robert rules was adopted by a resolution I'm looking at it right now it's not on the agenda it need two Tak an extraordinary vote to overrule I just got to that that was not an extraordinary vote my chat GB CH just
got to our Amendment on this yeah but I I could make a substitute motion to allow this discussion to go forward period and that way we haven't violated our own rules but we're allowing to discuss discussion to take place because we need a discussion to take place
whatever makes you sleep at night so on the on the grounds that that motion failed for lack of super majority I'll make a motion that allow discussion before a motion has been made all right Motion in a second let's call that vote and then a bear and Bagby up next we'll kill that all right he works faster than
chat gbt what I can say all right we're back to Robert's Rules Kevin's on the floor no Kevin's on the floor I know listen we're we're in this together no it's all good um this this item has been talked about for more
than any other item in the past four over four years um it's it's interesting for sure so um I mean a I think the second reading is not my opinion and I haven't asked our attorney
uh it's changed a lot from the first reading and I don't agree with that and so my first thought is we shouldn't be having this second reading it should have gone back to First reading um so I want to figure out a few things how to solve
um I think I said a first and then B um I think I heard Captain Gary Jarvis and previous mayor say that we have a limit and if we wanted to we could give some some
registrations to people because we're under that limit I think that's one of the things that he said but we can't do that or at least staff has said we can't do that until Council tells them we can do
that so because they haven't done that so um Mr Jarvis said that I think that's what he said but I I don't think that's a true statement until we tell staff to go do that and I think I heard Captain Jim green who's speaking on behalf of
the Des and charbo Association say let's let and correct me if I'm wrong please let's let bearboat Charter operators whether they're a yacht or whatever come to the city and apply for
a registration up to a 400 and something number but button I wasting you have I was operating on the definition that was in there and the qualifiers that were in that in the ordinance and basically
saying that we have a surplus and we have some that meet that qualification so let's get them in compliance in the ordinance and and doing business I so maybe I didn't get that exactly correct but I I I want to you know you know I
want to deal with the moratorium thing and and and and allow anybody to come legally apply for a registration to get back to 464 whether you're a punon boat whether you're a yacht so that's what I want to do so my I mean if you want I'm GNA
allow discussions to continue but I have't you know we got to deal with this first before we can deal with that so that's just kind of where I'm at right now um because I I think it's that's I already told you what I think
sorry tell them what we're going to hear we're gonna hear it and then tell them what you guys heard councilwoman AAR thanks mayor I'm on board with you Kevin on the uh everything that we have extra we have folks that are not using theirs those registrations should just be
automatically back to the city not given to those people that hey this is mine I make 20 grand off of it no like Kevin said get whatever comes first to the city to register my other problem is with the two years coming into compliance I mean some of the yacht
folks they already in compliance I mean they don't need two years I mean worst case scenario 18 months get them through this summer to next summer but still if they've been in business since 2021 because they thought they were part of a
registration that was already part of the city's authorizations they shouldn't need any time to get in in qualifications because they're already doing the business like they're both they already have bathrooms and they have a dock and they have food and they have places for people to sit while they're waiting to go out on their yacht
so I I feel like that twoyear get into compliance that's ridiculous um so I feel like we need to relook at what we're trying to do and kind of fix it use a lot of what John put out there
because it doesn't just benefit the pontoon boats it's kind of across the board everybody wins and like Mr Braden said I don't have the time or the experience to do the investigation and the background work that John's done to figure all this out because this is
that's his world he knows how it affects everybody that's here tonight and their businesses so I think that working with the city and the staff using some of what John brought to us and incorporated into something that's fair across the board because we want our city to have
opportunities for fishing and Recreation and yacht in for residents as well as our visitors so that's just my two thought all right thank you for that uh councilman Bagby thanks John you can start making your way back up because I got a couple of questions for you great
idea uh the so I I look at this what I what I believe is fair all right so you said no businesses should be shut down okay so the luxury Yachts or whatever we want to
call them they've been operating some of them been operating longer than Gary has with the misbehaving I don't want those businesses shut down and you've stated you don't want those businesses shut down we want legal
operations okay they thought they were operating legally they had a BTR they were paying a tax you know they didn't understand that they were so our most of our problem is we're trying to
pound this square peg into this round hole trying to figure out how to keep them or make them legally compliant when they thought they were legal all along and I agree everybody I want Le nobody
wants illegal operations you know and that's the code enforcement is just going to you know in Spring Break and all summer long you know if that's they don't understand that's their number one Mission they they will every other week I guarantee you that um so the
enforcement I agree with you completely I did not understand you said something about a one- Monon pause for a moratorium why in the world would we do that because then every you know person
in Fort Walton Beach would run over here and say I got six boats I need to you know give me my Medallion and and they would buy them for 150 bucks and then they would try to resell them for 20 hell I might go by one just so I I'm sorry that was just
an idea and honestly they they won't be able to come because there are no boat slips available in Dustin Harbor um I mean so but it's one of the things where um uh council member Schmidt um suggested an idea which honestly we don't necessar have to do the 30-day um
uh um thing with moratorium I mean I think what council member Schmidt's kind of suggesting I think that's going to be a a good solution so which one was that cuz he suggested a couple of things pretty much we mcre with u Captain Jim green and um Captain
Jarvis about letting um um anyone apply that's for the 24 medallions that are available and I I truly don't think there are more there's going to be more than 24 applications and see and I agree with
you but to me that's the secondary problem the the primary problem is I want to get the 10 or 15 how many ever they told us there was three meetings ago or whenever we talked about this that have been operating and thought
they were operating legally I want to get them legal within our whatever our definition of legal is going to be after tonight or after the next meeting 99% of them already doing it legal so all it is is just the
application okay so the resell of the permits I think we have un if we don't agree on anything else universally I think we agree universally that we don't want the reseller permits you either use it or you lose it so there and I I get
you know you got a year or something a boat broke down you you know didn't have a replacement boat yet you know I I get that there's got to be a grace period in there and I don't have a problem with a grace period I agree that two years is
too long and I'm sorry if you've got a yacht and you don't have a commercial dock you know obviously the docks aren't completely full because Gary just found one so you know we had that for years oh you had oh
very hard to find a okay so I would say give them a year you know I think you said 18 months or whatever that would be the maximum two years is way too long okay so uh I agree that everyone ought
to attend the County's Livery vessel meeting okay so I'm just trying to capture what I think we all agree on you had other couple other points I'm a real slow writer because I write for Content so what were your other points you know that I haven't discussed already the
other or is The Wristband colors wristbands which is it's going to help uh the sheriff's department on the Water by them knowing who's actually been approved to drive so the D correct so um what is U if if if they've been approved to drive um
without a boers education means they've met met the January 1st 1988 education policy then they get a green risb if um if they have a boer's license then they get a pink wristband um and all it does is just help identify for law enforcement to know what kind of
education they have or whether or not they've been approved by the delivery business that they they are the driver as opposed to some random person jumping on and driving the vessel okay and let me ask the sheriff or that we don't have the Coast Guard here tonight but can y'all enforce that can your uh
guys out there on the boat do they check for wristbands County Code Enforcement is the ones that are enforcing it right now it's going to have to have a um they're looking at possibly passing it to where we can enforce it with a County
ordinance but I will say that the the wristband has helped us uh tremendously because we can't make a stop for that reason but when we're able to make stops for other things like possibly a wake zone violation it does help us at that
point in time to um determine who is eligible to be The Driver it's also been effective in cutting back on the buis that we've had okay kind of like the old seat belt law I was so glad they couldn't pull me over that that's a good comparison
okay so can our code enforcement if the County Code Enforcement can enforce the wristband can our code enforcement enforce that if you pass an ordinance saying so okay but our ordinance lies within the harbor oh so just in the harbor and the
we don't have any Juris actually you can't even do the harbor yeah we don't have jurisdiction the harbor that's right but if if if we passed that and it was in our code sorry here Steve here okay I I hear you if we did pass that in our code though our our contract with
the sheriff would would sayate that they are able to enforce our codes and so by extension I would assume and I think this would have to be a Kim question I assume that if we passed that the sheriff could possibly enforce it I don't see why
not I was going to add one thing because John and I had been talking about these other things for a while and we were planning um and I'm saying we because you were on the council at the time but this second ordinance was going to come to you the definition was supposed to be
the loow hanging fruit and we were supposed to be trying to get the existing businesses covered before the coming season so we were doing that first but the um training with the county and the wristbands and The Medallion issue that we're calling it
was all going to be in a part two ordinance so it wasn't that we were ignoring the issues and I'm sure John can confirm we've had those conversations but we were trying to pass this one first and then get into okay and wh which of these two ordinances and you agree with everything she just said
which of these two ordinances was going to cover the resale of permits yeah that was going to be in part two everything comp well I know this became complicated but what we thought was more complicated was coming in ordinance too to give staff more time to make sure we knew what the definition was first so we knew
what we were dealing with an ordinance too but all of that was coming later okay and so where are we on ordinance 2 well Ordinance one hasn't been passed so we're nowhere on ordinance 2 other than that we have a general understanding that once we know how we defining Livery
vessels and dealing with existing businesses we were going to put it together now at this point John isn't on the council currently so it may need a new legislative sponsor but he was the leg and now it's Kevin Kevin is the legislative sponsor anyways um we can
get working on that ordinance at any point but we never had a disagreement on any anything to do with wristbands or training okay so if I were to make the ordinance tonight with the
change of in paragraph a the two years to one year I don't need to the wristbands dely meeting don't need to well I eat my peas then I eat my carrots okay so I got to go down my little list
here I know it's hard for y'all the resell of permits was going you said was going to be in the second one right okay so if I make the ordinance the tonight with the change I guess of only instead
of two years one year and set what month is this February the second meeting of March as the first reading of no you can't do that fast need a little more
time than that and we have very full very full um potentially because you might have a major um application coming in then but I I would just say give us maybe like 60 days or to talk about Well here
here's my point that that we all agree on the resell of permits that we're against that we also all agree that we have been dealing with this stupid thing for way too long this is even worse than the pickle ball courts I mean seriously and there are not many things worse than
the pickle ball courts so what I don't want to do is say oh yeah well y'all bring it back when it's ready I I want to set a time certain and say I don't care what you have to do but and I'll give you 6 just give us a window so we
can pick a meeting that doesn't have well right now we don't know when we're scheduling certain other major items so give us a certain amount of days and we'll pick the meeting with the I'm going give you till the end of April and I don't care if it call calls for a special meeting just to talk about this
I don't want to go past the end of April before we get in the summer before the summer I want this thing put to bed so so can I ask that we make sure that the current um bear boats are able to operate still until this gets resolved because I want to make sure that they feel comfortable
too why why wouldn't they be well if you're waiting till April there's still a lot of uncertainty correct or or are we solving the definition um are is the definition going back to First reading or well since we haven't EXC since go ahead since we haven't changed the definition and they're still covered
perhaps under a boat that has a captain and we can leave it up to staff to make the correct decision whether or not they should let them operate I think that's how we got here in the first place yeah y somebody made the wrong decision I'm I'm just tired of
this I'm just going to be honest with you I don't at some point just say the heck with just take all the medallions back and everybody go to Fort w beach no I wouldn't do that but I mean The Simple Solution is just um like I said keep the definition to where a bearboat is a livery and then and then we we'll be
able to go from there I mean I I I truly think that will cover where we're we're allowing it for all the Livery operators or op I'm not sure our lawyer agrees with that so I'm going to it it currently says a bear booat all bear boats are Liberties in the second reading but then it has all that all
that extra yacht verbiage in there which I think makes the definition no longer um simple that's a matter of council I told you why that's in there and if Council doesn't like it and I'm comfortable with that I understand why it's in there because we're trying to deal with this
problem not with this problem we're going to deal with this problem tonight and then we'll deal with this problem before the end of April but then there's um um people that aren't a yacht bearboat such as uh this gentleman right here mhm delivery uh well he I mean
according to the definition it says it's you're giving so I'm going to go back to the comment earlier we have a process in the moratorium ordinance for businesses that spent money thinking that they were legal or whatever their facts are we
would discuss so I think if there's one specific person you're talking about or entity they should come meet with staff let us put together their request to counsel and then they can certainly get to counil faster than the last meeting in April so that might be their best bet
then uh will we also allow any current uh Livery operators to expand also oh that's why there's a moror we're not allowing anybody to expand right now okay I me we're trying to get the people who have thought for the last three years that they were legal and I
understand why and I probably would have agreed with them if I hadn't had all these conversations to get in compliance with where everybody else is and then uh with the Boating clubs we got to make sure that they are um taking consideration to
because back in 2016 we never required them to to apply so just got to take that in consideration to okay and and the boting clubs because I've been out on some boats with boting club members they're
not captained by licensed Captain so I don't know per FWC they're considered delivery okay and per per this definition they'd be considered a liery too but because they didn't have have captains we did not include them
with the yacht exception so again how many boat clubs are in the city two or three I think one I think it was one okay so that one can also come in and make the request under the moratorium that's Legacy right yeah Marbella I mean so it sounds like
there's two entities that need to request special agreements from Council the other all right with that uh okay so I'm gonna I'm gonna make a motion and if I mess this up somebody just tell
me what I think we just agreed to Dad coming stop um I move that the city council adopt ordinance 24-1 15-cc with the change in paragraph
a from two years to one year and that we direct just one at time or can I put the direct the staff by the end of put it all in and direct the staff the city manager and staff to bring back prior to
the end of April ordinance number two which would cover County Livery meeting attendance wristbands resale of permits and I think that's it did I miss something FWC registration FWC regist
ation I'll second that right I have a motion in second I got cman Braden Schmidt um up next cman Bren it says I was speaking earlier and I never did oh jump in jump back in then here we go I'll put your vales back
up and the only part that concerns me here and I think we can fix it in the motion that okay was just made is we need to have a mechanism as John said to get the yacht bearboat people or the other Bebo people into the the system in a timely fashion and I would suggest
that we direct staff also to add into um the second ordinance a mechanism that allows folks who were operating legally with a BTR with the proper parking at a commercial Marina 30 days to apply for one of those
24 licenses or medallions or whatever we call them are available and that should pull them into the system and give them 30 days to uh to apply and that way we have hopefully solved all the problems
now should we put that into tonight's ordinance it would go back to First reading I would say no I personally because they have a mechanism right now currently under the moratorium where they can apply anyway so they don't need to further complicate this ordinance
they have a process and then we can address it and update it in ordinance too but there shouldn't be a delay they can come in tomorrow and ask okay if that's the case but I would like to see it clarified with a nice clear path forward for them in ordinance number two
and and can we make that part yeah I I'll adopt that Amendment am and I'll agre with the second and the other safety issues we're putting in right right okay all right councilman bradden thank you for your
patience yeah thank you um so did we just go from give a year to 30 days okay all right what are we give what who we giving them and what are we giving them a year to
do Yachts have a year to they can come in and apply they have a year to get in compliance with the bathrooms and the parking and the all this in the commercial uh slip stuff so they they get a year as opposed to the two years
that was written in the ordinance that was before us what I understood Mr D was saying was more on the the bearboat guys that uh they have once we pass ordinance number two which covers this whole
Litany of other stuff they have 30 days after the passage of that to come in and apply for their authorization Medallion whatever we want to call it now Kim just told us that they actually could come in and apply
tomorrow uh but if they don't you know I have no problem adding the 30 days in the second ordinance so that they have a clear path and and it was written down as opposed to just the ones that are here tonight heard it verbally that hey
you can come in tomorrow and make your application because that's not everybody out there probably that that applies to so that way when we bring it back in the second ordinance it'll be published it'll be official we'll go through two readings the whole nine yards did I get
that right yes so the people that have a BTR already they get 30 days to no they tomorrow they can apply yeah but tomorrow but they they get up to 30 days to
apply right and then the people that are doing it illegally get a year no okay who's getting a year so so in this ordinance it's it's the Yachts they're not so what we're saying by becoming legal is they have to have their
commercial location their dock their parking spaces their bathrooms and their registration approved and I think we gave that window to get them through this summer as they were already existing but then have additional months
to find that location if they didn't already have it they're not actually all well we wouldn't know if they are all in compliance or not because we've never gotten an application but from what I understand they do not have all the requirements some of them might the one that spoke tonight may but there's other
yacht businesses besides the ones that are here tonight that may not have all of those things lined up okay I'm I'm just trying to figure out what on this entire planet that I was doing something illegally or
or not illegally that I would get and what government body or non-government body I would get an entire year to get get in compliance decision for the council our thought was they need time to get bathrooms constructed a development order parking those things tend to take
time it's not the same as speed so they can just continue to to operate yeah if Council doesn't like it y'all can lower the time which you've already lowered from two to one but you can take it back further if you want too I mean in my experience sitting up
here for the last N9 years is we give them a year it's it's going to probably do three or four years before they get in compliance they they going to come in here in a year 11 months well I got my application 90 you know I'm trying you
just got to give me time you know year and a half later I'm trying I got my contractor now two years later we're trying you know but hurricane hit you know three years later still trying but I'm still operating every day
I can do that but I can't get my bathrooms and stuff built I ain't got time for that I don't know I I can't support it with that I mean just I I just think it's just way too way too much myself to I just know I
just know how we operate I know how the city operates with the magistrate and all that just ain't going to happen if if I know I got a year I'm going to come in here in a year and I'm going to apply for it and I'm going to ask you know well he's applied he's trying 30 days if there's places
available I mean they going to be a buy a piece of property and you know build a bathroom and all that where is I don't I don't see it happening but I just know how I just know how this city operates because I've been a part of it for quite some time now and it ain't going to
happen they going they going to get in here in 11: 12 months and they going to get that application and they going to beg the city to work with them you know and then it's just one year is going to turn two years would have turned into 10 so that's just we could I mean to address that I'm just trying to think
about how to address it I don't think they if someone doesn't have a bathroom or a slip or parking there there's no way they'd get it in 30 days but we could create like some kind of graduated this complicates it a little more but we could say You must have you know your
in within 30 days and then you know the problem is it won't even be complete with those without those items but we could then work on some kind of scale where you know you have three months to get this done another two months to get this done and the whole thing is
complete within you know I don't know the time frame of a year or less can can I ask a question if if they're not in compliance in a year who has approval authority to in them do they have to come back for the to the city council for a variance under
the current ordinances they'd come back to you they'd have to come back here so in a year if they come back and they say oh man you know I just I just got a contractor you got my vote to tell them I'm sorry you had a year have a nice day give The Medallion back and and I also
think I I know what council member Braden is also referring to because the special magistrate sometimes can give extended compliance but we could if you want to direct us to make it come back to council and and not start Code
Compliance proceedings that's fine and I say it would go to councel because again under the moratorium ordinance there's that process where they can ask for those approvals from you so we can require that instead of the magistrate it's like Travis he operated best of my
knowledge three years illegally you know we kept telling you know you can't you can't get three years went by he's operating an entire business down I don't know how many pontoon boats parasol boats jet skis he put us off for three
years but good point but I think we got a a fair compromise of where this can go we can just shut them out in a year and doesn't matter come back to get that yeah and it would be up to us to show that lenience
knew that particular individual got an approval from Council to operate without his permit at first so Cil M Schmid bring us home oh yeah I don't think or take me home one of the I just don't understand why why we can't just stick to the
original plan and just update the definition to a bearboat charter as a delivery vessel why we have to speak specifically to yacht bear boats and and now we're um I get the exemption I get what they could do if they're not a yacht but why why are we going to update
the definition to only yacht bearboat tonight why not just leave it as the first reading was and then make the yachts and any other bare boat go through the process that we're referring
to it just I don't I don't understand that is there a reason why we're doing that from my perspective the the problem the big problem I mean there's there's individual problems all over the
map obviously but the the center mass of the issue of the problem was with the luxury yacht group where we had 101 15 people in one specific sector of the business that
needed to be address who all thought every one of them thought they were legal every single one of them that I've talked to thought they were legal and but they technically weren't and so that
was the problem I thought we started out fixing three months ago yeah last year and then it kind of morphed into as things seemed to do up here you know it morphed into something entirely different and then we were trying to
solve all the problems of the world in one single ordinance and it was like not it's not working you can't do it in one ordinance let's solve this let's get the definition right because then with the definition we can come back and solve these other 10 items of wristbands and
you know Livery meeting attendance and all this other stuff so that that was that's why that's but can we not solve the same problem by not putting the additional 17 sentences about a yacht um
Yacht Rental business can we not still do that I don't I don't know if we K I don't think so I mean Kim probably has a better answer than I can give you well can we not still allow the yacht
businesses to operate if you all want toon bearboat business to operate without adding this entire section that specifically caters to yacht rental businesses all right Captain green I just want I'm sorry I just
wanted to chime in there so the the the qualifications was to be in business be before 2024 started so those businesses been operating for a couple years under the assumption that they were operating legally and BTR by the city which means
they met the requirements by the city to operate so it's not that they don't have those it's it's not that in my mind it's not that they have they don't have those facilities or they aren't meeting that requirement it's that they thought they were operating and now the state and we
are changing the definition of what a livery vessel is so it's not like you have all of those it was the Yachts that were operating as charter boats in the city and that's where this all came from instead of bearboat Charters so I think that the year I was okay with the year
simply because one of the qualifications for them to get that year grace period was that they were operating prior to January 2024 so to me they've been operating in this city as a business and the city was allowing it to happen or you know
I'm not pointing any fingers but we were allowing it to happen and then the definition changed so to me the the exemption of a year was okay because they have been operating a BTR since 2023 okay per that ordinance writing and
I think and I may be missing the point of your question is because the Yachts were all captained by licensed Coast Guard captains I'm not sure every Livery vessel is in fact I'm pretty sure some
of them probably are not but so again we were trying to solve the the center of mass of the problem of the issue that was before us and this solving the issue of two to three
individuals speaking at every event I'm not disagreeing with you we have another individual so there's three and there's one that's 33% of three so I'm just saying I think come in tomorrow but but
then why I make the yach businesses come in tomorrow why not make the yach businesses coming tomorrow I'm just saying can we not update it right well then then why don't we just leave it not why specifically spell out at a second reading that it wasn't in the first reading a yacht business only I just
don't understand CL from my understanding that was just clarification I'm not against Yachts I'm not against anybody I just it doesn't make sense to me the reason was on first reading it included the language about a US Coast Guard licensed Captain the
Yachts unlike other Livery vessels in the city always have a US Coast Guard license captain always they can't get insured without it pontoons and other bear boats don't have that same issue they they mostly don't have US Coast
Guard license Captain all some Charters have US Coast Guard so a bearboat by definition does not always have a US Coast Guard license captain on so the Yachts were a different story because they had a captain they always had a
captain so they thought that Exempted them reasonably from The Livery ordinance their other vessels did not have that same circumstance but I'm not saying the other vessels are not included because they can come to the council and ask for that exception and
they've been able to do that since 2018 right it's just it's just more Hoops for them not you can change it if you want to but that's the again and again we've been talking about how to fix The Medallion problem and now we're saying count staff can't do it until the end of April which no they could do it the next
meeting yep it's ready it's ready so I just I just and that's what happens is two months goes by and next thing you know we have the baby grand here and we don't want to talk about medallions anymore because the baby Grand's here so then next thing you know in June July August September October November we're
talking about Medallion so been talking about this for years say we are not at all saying that we are putting this at the last meeting in April we said give us a little window because we have lots of agenda items and we can figure out a meeting where there is ample time for discussion with the
community because there's a lot of interested people and we can not have a meeting that goes till midnight when everybody wants to go home we'll try to put it on the earliest possible meeting it might be in March thank you all right with that we've amp gone around the room everyone's got their thoughts you're
either confused or you're in your trench of where you want to be so with that I'm going to call the vote and talk to everyone us talk to us afterwards talk to us during email I had a motion and councilwoman a mayor you quit counting stop don't tell
us how long can can I read what I have because I'm not that comfortable that I caught everything yes and this is Mr bagby's motion yeah don't forget the okay city council to approve ordinance
2415 CC on second reading with changes to paragraph 8 reducing two years to one year for compliance direct the city manager and City attorney to bring back ordinance number two before end of April covering the following uh
wristband resell permit attending County Livery vessel meeting and to [Music] include bearboat operators with proper parking and BTR into the system in a t
timely manner giving them 30 days to apply for the 24 available medallions and now the amended yeah and then there was amended FWC oh
man sorry Max we're we're we're we're we're calling it come on Tina who seconded it is this not official there'll be another reading [Music] regardless I'll talk to you after man all right we have The Record Keeper
approved D we'll right will call the vote all right I have it 51 all right uh that is we are done we're done with the public hearings all right thank you all right uh councilman
bradden thank you mayor um I have the noise ordinance um and what I'm uh trying to fix with that is is what we have here going out division 2035 number one is financially Sound
City and number two is quality of life um and the mayor said the same thing and his address tonight about the quality of life that's what I'm trying to get with this this ordinance um
couple things um I'm going to put in the motion is um investigator office shall have a direct line of sight where this noise is coming from so if it's 150 ft and you don't have a clear line of sight
then doesn't matter about the 150 ft if it's if he's 300 ft and he still don't have a line of sight still can't tell him to shut it down and I sat in with this city manager Captain Sheriff's Department
come to the staff and a lot of this was their recommendation as well um so the people on the no the officer goes out near your house I'm complaining about your home or a town home and he doesn't he
goes 150 ft and he ain't got a clear line of sight of where that music's coming from can't r a citation so they they just wanted that language Struck from here so get rid of the 150t Roll get rid of the and I'm talking a residential residence residential area
only get rid of the 150t rule and go with the setbacks whatever the setbacks are CU way we permitting homes these days there's 14 ft between homes some of them's not even that a lot
of the Town Homes got a zero lot line um so it's you sit in your townhouse your home is 14t from your neighbor and he's your home's vibrating but it's still not within 150 ft so their recommendation was just going with setbacks
um mine on the second one would be um in construction um it says it can go on uh provided each activity acquires between between 7:00 a.m. and 10 p.m. uh construction and demolition
activities I don't think anybody needs to be Del demo in the house or running Jack cameras at 10 10:00 at night if we're trying to put our kids to bed in a residential area to go to school the next morning my recommendation was 8 7: a.m. to 8:00
p.m. um and then this other um section 14- 56 on exemptions exempts um pouring concrete can be done between 3:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. um when I worked out at egland we
poured a lot of concrete at one time and never once did we ever need to start at 3:00 in the morning we started at 7 and poured whatever we needed to pour um I think pouring in a residential area at 3:00 a.m. is ridiculous um I believe
that needs to go um and then we have on offenses the enforcement penalties first offense written notification second offense fine $100 third offense $250
fourth offense fourth offense or four or more violations occurring within any six-month period so I'm go a whole summer whole 100 days of summer I mean that's me that's and then then
you got five The Fifth Fifth violation of noise exists you shall um go to the magistrate I guess um I my recommendation would be first offense written notice second
offense $100 fine third offense $500 fine there is no so many offenses two or three offenses within or six offenses within six month per period um I think that needs to go um and like I said I'm just I'm
talking about residential only um and I think we I think y'all struck when we did updated this we got rid of this um noise meter noise level and meters and weight and all that I think that's been
strucken um from this CU we we can't the sheriff's prob said they can't use the noise meter just they just don't hold up in court um and that's all I've got so with that I just like to make a motion to make those changes to this noise ordinance
um as presented tonight I'll second it right you good with that you got it all all right uh c b okay I'm trying to remember what the 150 foot rule was I know the 300t rule
but I can't remember the 150t rule Steve Cor sharff according to the city manager and the sheriff's department they could go out and it was 150 ft from your property line they go
150 ft and they if they deemed it a nuisance then they could ride a sight or ride a warning and in citation um and that but that is if we take out the line of sight in there I I don't remember line of sight being in there is there it's
under the definition of measure of um or how how it's to be determined by the on-site officer um they have to have line of sight to the source and um line of sight with hearing as well or line of
audio whatever that term is um and if it's if they go out 150 ft and they can't and it's not you know at or in it's a reasonable level at 150 ft it's not it's not annoy
violation so that means if your neighbor right next door to you is blasting their music but you can't hear it they have to go 150 ft and if it can't be heard at 150 ft it's not a noise violation but it's obviously affecting the person right next door so that's the purpose of
getting rid of the the um the distancing requirement um in residential districts or at least residential uses okay so we're changing it to if I can just hear it from 300 ft away or what no 300 ft is only applicable in the South Harbor
mixed use District right now um during that meeting um we had discussions about different ways to do to to fix this and so staff's taken a look at that um and we'll we'll come up with
some some there's there's a Litany of notes that I have from that meeting that we'll address um in this rewrite um we'll address all the things that spoken about here um as well so um but the 300 ft only is only applicable right now on
the South Harbor mixed use District um um with that said I'm I'm trying to trying to fix it where like Town Homes a lot of town homes are 20 ft wide M the living space mhm so you'd have to go what eight
nine Doors Down to be able to 150 ft to hear this but if you're in a townhouse and the guy next door you can't go in your home and watch TV or your kid can't sleep because you can hear the music word for word to me that's unreasonable okay but
still you're not 150 ft and a lot of these properties a lot of them in Dustin are 50 ft wide so that'd be Three Doors Down yeah I part of me wants to make a substitute motion just say can you bring bring this back to us in writing so I can actually see what it is that we're
we're voting on because I'm not sure yeah that was my yeah I mean I I think I support everything but I I like you know I like to read and I like to that way this this would have to come back at a first reading anyways that motion is for
counil consideration Oh I thought you were making the motion to prove that okay no it's got to come back to us at first reading councilman uh traml I guess my question is the line of sight thing because uh if you're next door and it's
blasting um I don't have a line of sight because they're in their house I mean I can't see them they're in their backyard I can't see them they got a six foot fence around there it's to the source property you don't have to see the source you just need to be able to identify by line of sight The Source
property we're striking that we're taking that out or we're leaving in yes councilwoman AAR thank you mayor um I I realize this is about the homes noise what about Vehicles like when you
can hear a car at as it turns off of by you onto Main Street and he's still a half a mile and it sounds like a concert is there I know the sheriff y'all have to hear him is there anything that is done with those loud stereos that are vibrating there are state laws that
allow us to write citations to people who have got loud stereos but you have to physically see him or catch him in the ACT yes ma'am okay thanks prohibiting
We No One online heard what he said because he didn't push his button but we should look at Pensacola for 200 yeah it should have been the capital all right I got nothing on the board this will go to ordinance so we got two stabs of the Apple anyways I
love the increase so I will call this question all right good revisions um last one is um can anybody explain to me why the city's spending $35,000 year to cut the grass at M Kelly's Art
Center over here yes yeah it's in their agreement so so can Mr Destin because he was up here I think when we made the agreement that if they came in the city limits because they were going to build this artist village out
there and if we they would come in the sea limits if we would maintain that area because it was going to be the renderings were fabulous they were just they were gorgeous and it was going to be the cats meow and a majority I I don't know if it was
unanimous or not but a majority of the council said yep we're on and we memorialized it in an agreement with mty Kelly Arts Foundation that's why we pay to cut the grass out at Matty Kelly Ys is it have they held to their end of the
bargain is it a cats meow and everything they said it was going to be I mean is it and we we've been doing that for how many years now um Larry city manager wasn't there something else we talked about this that
they had said they were going to provide some kind of or build something over there was going to give us more tax revenue for the city that was my understanding what drove the agreement that I haven't been priv conversation but we certainly can find out what the status of it is if you would like us to
if you can put that under my name the next meeting bring that back so we can revisit that because I think it's been 20 30 years and we've been spending $35,000 a year cutting grass and they had held up their end of the bargain so yes sir that's a lot of money thank you
that's all I have mayor thank you just for clarity G would you like us to have a conversation with them as to uh whether they have any intention to do any of those things or have that information at the next meeting or would you rather first give us Direction then no sir it's my understanding they I
don't know how long they've been there 25 years years that has that been in place that long I'd like to know but they they haven't done it yet so okay no need to be discussing it now we'll just be given another 20 years okay so we'll just wait
till we deal with it at next meeting okay you just bring it back so we can understand it know what it's all about how long it's been okay thank you yes sir right Council and treml uh thank you mayor uh I would like to appoint Jim green to the harbor and
waterways board nomin all right he was here but he left second by councilman dtin seeing no further discussions excuse me sir yes sir what is he already on too many no c m
traml already nominated John Stevens or and an appointed I can I can appoint more than one yes do you need someone else to appoint no because we've all appointed one so we can appoint more than one that was I resolution you gave me council member Smith and council
member Braden have not appointed oh oh well if you want to appoint Jim green Jim green put your on nominate Jim green all right I got a motion TR all right someone's got the second all right
we call a vote oh Ray Ray's got a custom congratulations just got nominated all right it's official uh I'm going to do Mr guile a favor to tonight since he's not here and uh I've been charged with putting all
these people on the Town Center CRA and I'm going to uh nominate Iris be who has an application in second right I have a motion in second seeing no further discussion all right call the
vote all right I have it next thing I have is just a question I know we have a lot of things uh within our ordinances and and our nomenclature within the city um about the Gulf of Mexico does it need to be changed to the Gulf of America
now in all of our ordinances I was going to say in our stuff I don't know the answer to this question I'm asking the question you all could pass a resolution that we recognize the name as the Gulf of America if you want to I'll pass that resolution that we recognize then
which one of you is the legislative sponsor Teresa or Sandy Teresa I'm not decid be me down gol of America do I have to sign it mayor you will sign you can use my stamp that'll be my veto pen I've been
hearing our governor talk about it that's all I have tonight all right all right coun mtin oh come on we got to past 10 o'clock here five hours without y'all all right councilman Bagby I have a
couple of things uh no so it's going to be good because I'm bringing them back at the next meeting uh maybe on the Crystal Shores that is underneath my name uh there seems to be some confusion because I think we've directed the staff
to go ahead and execute the plan that we have on Crystal Shores but some members of the staff think that we haven't given them Direction and that we're still considering the White House and my last memory on the White House was we directed Kim to go talk to or somebody
to go talk to the owner and come back and the owner still said I don't know 6 and A5 million or 5.3 million or something wouldn't consider a swap and we said okay the heck with them move on but I will will make the motion uh to direct the staff to move on with the
Crystal Shores beach park development on the property that we currently own all right I have a motion by counc got got a second by councilwoman traml uh any further discussions
councilman Schmidt yeah sorry Jim that was swapping the property we have no we we talked about for a year of he's you know white house is right in the middle mik the White House is in the middle of two Parcels that we own and we were
going to swap and you know we said we'd give you $500,000 or whatever to SW and it was like nope we're I'll sell it to you for 6 and a half million and it was like no or 7.3 I think is where we started then we got down to 6 and5
million and finally it was just like the heck with you we're just going to pave those and we're going to invite all our friends to go out there and party on those two parcels and when he doesn't rent that thing for a whole year you know maybe he might sell it for actual market price what were you going to be
wearing out there ah God just wanted another meme for my my bank councilman Schmid so when I was talking to the staff in the briefing was talking about taking that far east property that's to
the left of that White House and maybe swapping it for the property on the Far West we we tried that too nobody I thought it was my understanding they warned they'd swap it and they give
us some money because it was a smaller piece yeah I remember it being like 500,000 and they wanted they were going to give us 50 and I think they maybe pumped it up we got two appraisals and our appraisals showed like a $500,000
difference in the price of the properties but the other property owner would only offer us between 50 and 100,000 he started at 50 and got up to 100 so we were like what about the other 400,000 yeah okay and I apologize what was what was the motioning in I'm sorry
just we have PL for Crystal Beach to just ex those Park on all the park around that White House Council mmid yeah I I'm not on the same page as you Mr B
um we have a plan we I don't think we have a plan the plan was to do a park there on multiple parcels and then we don't have a plan after that because that's not happening so I feel like we need to have staff
bring us back the next steps of what our options are to make a plan I I don't think we have a plan yeah we have a design we have a design parcel and then a White House M and we've reviewed that and approved it yeah it's been before us
the but then why St so confused about it then well they thought that we were still negotiating so my I'll make a substitute motion at the next available meeting to bring us back what the actual current plan is so we can vote on that if that's okay yeah because I'm not I'm
not recalling what you're talking it's just parking on the out parel there there's no thing okay all right I do have a substitute motion on the floor do I hear a second yeah I'll second it just to bring back the be great I appreciate it there's been a lot of discussion on
that yeah maybe bring coffee with them at the next meeting yeah June yeah next meeting all right I have a substitute motion with a second I'll call that vote all right I have
it second uh bullet is on FPL undergrounding I had a conversation with the uh staff today and asked where we were on phase two and we have had some discussion that we would stop at phase
one I think another council member said you know maybe we want to go into West Destin or old Destin before we do 98 and we kind of the the the staff was getting mixed messages so I'm going to ask that they put uh or they felt like they were getting mixed messages I'm going to ask
that they put under my name for the next meeting the FPL undergrounding and the reason I'm doing this is 16 months ago uh on October the 16th 2023 it's
when we brought the first phase to us to be discussed and voted on 16 18 months from now we will be ready to do basic because we're already two months into our 18mon completion so what I'm trying to
get us out of and trying to get the staff out of is we do phase one and then we say okay now let's start phase two except we have to go through the surveying and the where we're going to put all the transmission things and oh
did we get all the uh owners property owners to sign all the and then it's another 18 months before we start phase two what I would like to do is when we finish phase one is to roll into phase two and when we finish phase two but we
can only do that if we start the phase two prep work now and so yes we have to come up with the money and I understand that and I've talked to Crystal and we'll we'll go through the numbers but if we don't start the the ball
rolling on phase two we will get to the end of phase one and we'll probably be early and we'll all be happy and then we'll be sitting dead in the water for another 16 months so you will see that agenda item under my name at the next meeting thank all right thank you so
much all right uh councilwoman hey bear thank you mayor I have nothing I think it's 10 o'clock we can move this along Schmidt sure so the first thing is what we put on the agenda this evening was
I'd like to nominate Miss Brianna upt Grove for the LPA committee Mr Steve all right I'm sorry what was that my apologies putting somebody on your committee State regulation no thank you all right I got a motion of second
Ray is goingon to make a custom thing all right call the vote all right I have it 6 Z thank you um and the only other thing I just wanted to thank um the new company that is doing the Landscaping um they installed pinestraw
today and probably for the first time in nearly four years I saw somebody install pinestraw properly where they edge around the edges of Airport Road and the City Hall and everywhere else so I don't know what else they're going to do on that contract but they figure out how to
do that that pine straw which is amazing uh a it's just a visual Beauty when you drive down the road and it's tucked in the edges so kudos to them uh and yes thank you so much Michael and everybody else that's
working with Team the amount micro to macro up here all right so the first thing up uh a lot about it hey want to give kudos I appreciate a good compliment all right the first one kind of talking along fpnl
uh we did the utility WP last year um we kind of all seem to agree that let's test it out let's make sure it doesn't fade what does this look like and especially now part of my announcement was going to be congratulations to the Dustin Park foundation for officially
becoming a a recognized 501c3 nonprofit um I think little wins like this are what we can easily task them to help us with which is getting someone to sponsor a a a wrap or sponsor anything else that
we're looking to beautify our area in so I guess what I'm asking here is for staff to um maybe bring back information for us on what it cost for these wraps are there different cost levels because of the size I know some of the boxes on
um 98 are 6 feet tall all the way down to a little stub that we did over at um Kelly and Calhoun which was maybe 2T tall so um I was hoping to see one are we still okay with wrapping and two is
there a way that we can get some pricing for the different levels of FPL that's out there so I'll make the motion to do that and I think we already have all that on file because and with that bring us the next suggested one right perfect I'll second that guys can do what I can all right I
got a first and a second I'll call the vote all right guys got that all right and I'm just putting this one out there this is nothing that I'm going to ask for anything on um I think this I'm not even going to call it a tree ordinance because I know that one got slaughtered
uh like our fpnl tree line does cons from time to time um in exchange I've talked to some of the old council members who were behind what they were looking at in the intention and all I'm looking at is my my original intention was new development but at the end of
the day it's not about saying we need a professional arborist you can't cut down the tree you can cut whatever tree you want down on your property all I'm saying is at some point if we can go out there and determine the diameter at some point an environmental impact of that
tree whether it's storm water and flooding or the birds and the native uh animals in there there some kind of off and I want to extrapolate where we're at at and and expand it much further as far as the diameters of those trunks I I
think right now we have like maybe two I would like to see that further out um this is all there's a there's four pages on there I'm not going to go into any of it I just wanted one let you guys get it through the sunshine to if we're not going to have the
updated LDC anytime soon I figured I might as well start pushing what I was hoping to get through the Workshops the things that didn't go through at least bring them up for a second time um as article amendments uh to our LDC rewrite so that's kind of where that's coming
from really it's just food for thought and I'm going to be hoping we can consider most of it but at the end of the day um I'm here for a compromise on what's truly Fair between land ownership and environmental impact um so I just wanted you guys to have that document so that is all I have tonight miss Kimberly
cop hey just thanks mayor just one thing um the btrs you'll see I put together a really short agenda item but um wanted to update you and also let you know that we have a legislative sponsor which is council member traml to do away with the
btrs and then um we will bring a regulatory type um fee replacement to you it may be a flat fee and it may be um it'll be something that we talk at a future meeting but the ordinance is basically going to do away with the btrs
because they have caused confusion as we have seen with the ATS and the liery vessels they you know people get a BTR it's a tax it's non-regulatory and they think they can operate and they can't more importantly the statute limits us on what we can do with the btrs we can't change the classifications we can't
increase them by more than 5% every couple of years um the classifications are a problem for finance and it because as we merge into new software it's causing huge amounts of time and money impacts that are negative for us because
of trying to make that um change and getting 98 classifications into new software so for all those reasons we're going to propose doing away with them again council member traml will be the legislative sponsor but you all will get to look at the ordinance and vote on two
readings all right thank you all right with that it's the public comments you made it this far you are a very special person uh other than that this is your last chance at the Apple for comments on this one if not you have our email you probably know where we live and we'll be
back here in 2 weeks all right with that city council adjourned