all right we got under one minute so if everyone could please find their seats all right it is 6:00 on the dot i'm going to call this city council meeting to order today is April 21st 2025 and up first is the invocation by Pastor Steve Ferris from the First Baptist Church of
Destin well Father we just want to thank you for this beautiful day and this beautiful city that you've given us to live in and Lord this beautiful nation lord we're blessed beyond measure beyond anything that's ever happened and Lord as we come into the season that's post
Easter Lord help us to remember that you died for a reason Lord that we could walk in a newness of life and Lord to love one another and treat each other fairly and follow you and Lord we just pray for our leaders here and around the world lord you command us to do that to give them wisdom protection and Lord
just help us to be who you'd have us to be we thank you tonight and ask your blessings on this meeting in Jesus name amen thank you for that councilwoman Abear with the pledge please join me with your hand over your heart i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right thank you Steve for being here thank you Councilwoman Aber for the pledge uh for
the agenda approval um I do have two requests for 4 A and 4 C to be moved um at the very beginning um for time sake and I was going to see if I can get a motion and a second on that i'll make that motion mayor do I hear a second i'll make second all right do I hear any
other um changes to the agenda as written all right seeing none I'll call the vote for the agenda with those two yeah yeah I didn't do it yep all right so I'll call the vote for the agenda
with 4 A and C moved up first okay we'll wait for the call no it's just lo lagging on you [Laughter] all right uh just roll call yeah roll call real quick we'll start with Councilman Braden
all right yes yes yes yes yes yes yes all right 70 eyes have it so moved up first will be 4A cross town connector the EIR uh thank you Mr mayor uh this is a report from our uh consulting engineers
Atkins who has designed the cross town connector uh they've got a a final report on the environmental uh impact report uh for your consideration and adoption tonight uh and along with that um and they can speak to this a little
bit more uh during their presentation but if you recall we were hopefully going to get approval from the DOT to phase this project that would allow us to do a procurement for the um storm
water component prior to the procurement for the construction of the roadway and that would do two things it would preserve our $2 million grant from DOT and it would also preserve our uh ability to retain the interest that we have acrewed on the money that we have
invested from the loan proceeds so we we did receive that approval and uh I want to tip a hat to Kelly Horton for her hard work to get that through the and across the finish line uh but we got it u last week so uh brings us to two
additional items that we might ask we're going to ask you to consider tonight one is uh part of Atkins uh task order was to prepare the bid documents and we began discussing with them short time ago the potential of uh
phasing it and doing the storm water component and then the construction component so they have been working along those lines and we hope to have that ready to go by the end of this week so one of two things can happen either we can bring it back to you at the first
meeting in May for your approval or once it's completed we could go ahead and advertise and and get it on the street uh time is pretty critical and for two reasons one is to um get the clock
running so that we can spend money off of our loan proceeds and preserve the interest there and second to get ahead of what tariffs may be coming our way and cost increase so that would be one one request and the second being along
with that would be the approval of a request of qualifications for the CI component of that project because of the magnitude and scope of work it's going to require a separate a second um procurement component so the RFQ would
be the appropriate means to do that we're well on our way of having that document prepared as well so with your approval we could get it on the street quickly also so that will be at your uh pleasure and Atkins is here and they'll
give you a brief update on the u um er e report and then we'll ask how you'd like to move forward with these two other requests awesome just push that button that gray button yep there you go okay got slides for me one second
sure okay um good evening council members my name is Matt Taylor i'm with Atkins Realis and I'll be giving an update on the Cross Town Connector to you tonight i want to talk about two Next slide please i want to talk about two things as uh Mr jones mentioned an update on the ER reevaluation and the
construction phasing next slide um as a refresher the uh environmental impact uh report re-evaluation this was approved by the council back in April of 24 and so just a quick refresher on why we're doing this um this document was needed to uh
for state or federal funding it was required because it was more than a year since the original EIR was prepared and there were significant changes to the typical section in the storm water design since the last eval uh since the last EIR next slide
completion of this document makes the project eligible for state funding this document does not make it eligible for federal funding and then lastly what does the EIR do it evaluates impacts of the changes in design existing conditions and applicable laws on each environmental resource it develops
measures to offset adverse impacts it documents coordination with public agencies and it verifies consistency with the TPO planning documentation next slide and I'm I went through that slide so next slide please there we go okay so
the draft EIR reevaluation was submitted to the city in April and comments were incorporated and a final draft was submitted in March um the conclusions were that the changes uh in the design and the existing conditions do not change the conclusions in the original
EIR regarding the envir environmental resources we were able to identify the changes in the applicable laws and regulations require a commitment from the city to coordinate with the US fish and wildlife service regarding species and suitable habitat in the project
area next slide so those commitments are uh the city must conduct a pre-construction survey for the following species gopher tortoise burrowing owls and bald eagles nests the city must include DOT standard uh protection measures for the eastern
indigo snake and then if uh the city must uh consult with the US fish and wildlife service if the following species become formally listed in the endangered species act these are theric-colored bat and the monarch butterfly all of these items will be
included in the uh construction RFB okay so next slide uh so conclusions uh we determined the cross town connector project is compliant with the environmental laws and regulations and can proceed to the uh construction phase and we request the city's approval of
the EI document to make it eligible for state funding okay now a brief discussion on construction phasing as Mr jones mentioned we talked about breaking up the project into two different construction packages um so next slide so again why would we break this up it's because uh
the city has construction funds now that need to be spent to avoid additional finance charges and penalties you must start spending that money soon uh it needs to be needs to be spent before the DOT funding which will be available which will be in the fall or later this
year and some next steps we'd like to get approval from the city on construction phasing and its limits it's my understanding staff has already discussed with DOT and they have no objections to phasing the construction okay so we looked at how would we would how we would phase this project what would the limits of
construction be um we looked at logical efficient separation of the work area we looked at avoiding eliminating rework and throwaway work um what makes logical sense what parts of the project need to be constructed first that would be the drainage areas the storm water ponds and
we looked at construction costs and construction durations of each of potential phases so we made a made a recommendation to the city that the area in red this is the storm water underground chambers and the inflow pipes be constructed first in the phase
one uh this this effort might take about four to six months to complete then the phase two would just be the remainder of the project that's everything else and then the pipes from the remainder of the project could simply tie in to the info pipes constructed in phase one that part of the project the rest of the project
might take 16 to 18 months and then finally the last slide is just a potential schedule of what this might look like phase one starting construction in or around summer of this year ending in early 26 and phase two starting in early 26 finishing in mid
27 next slide and with that I'll answer any questions that you may have awesome well I appreciate your presentation Matt uh up first I have Councilwoman Traml uh yes this is for the city manager uh in my briefing my understanding was that there was a time crunch that may
um hinder us from doing this in a timely manner that would hinder us from doing it yeah well not period but we needed to expedite it yeah to the degree we can for the um obvious you know we don't know what was going on with prices but
every day they go up so the quicker we can do that the better but probably more importantly is preserving the ability to capture the interest off of the money we have invested from our loan proceeds there's some IRS regulations that you got to spend it within a certain time frame or you get penalized and the IRS
gets to take that interest funding okay that's the way I understand counting on that for I just wanted to double check there before I made my motion yes ma'am uh I move that the council approve the advertisement for the RFB for the cross town connector phase one and the RFQ for
the construction engineering and inspection services for the cross town connector project subject to the review and approval of the city manager and the city legal council i'll second that all right and I got a motion and a second from Councilwoman Abear any further discussion or questions
right seeing none I'll call the vote on the cross yeah my my question is Mr mayor's go i'm not sure where that's coming from the motion I have is about the report so I just want to make sure do we have to accept the report or I don't see that that you that's would
be a separate action council member okay all right anything else all right seeing none I'll close the discussion and we will vote on the topic call the question all right eyes have it 70 so moved all
right thank you sure thank you now now now action would be requested on approving and accepting the uh impact report all right so do I have a motion on accepting the report i'll make that motion all right got a motion by Councilwoman Abear seconded by
Councilwoman Traml any further discussions on the report all right seeing none I'll call the vote are you Are you not you asking for Oh okay oh I'm sorry no no you're good
ray can you reset for the second motion all right roll call it is we're going to keep this going council Braden please start us off this is just trying to Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes all right that's 70 so moved thank you so much Matt thank
you Matt all right up next community partners over at the county 4C thank you Mr mayor uh we have with us tonight Mr coffee deputy county administrator and Commissioner Palmer we thank them for being with us the topic
or the the item is regarding the shores at Crystal Beach um and Andy is going to pull that up for us so previously we had had some conversation with the county as to um the plans that they had submitted
we presented comments back to them and then we got the reply back from the county u and it leaves us u in in good shape quite frankly we need one small variance uh regarding the um exit of
the western component that needs to be 20 ft to accommodate fire code and that encroaches about six feet in the uh northwest corner um of the required setback if you if you look there it'll
be on the top left of the screen uh the code calls for 10-ft setback and what's there is 6 feet but that allows for the required 20 foot um o throat depth not throat depth width uh to accommodate the fire
trucks and then there you go so that's uh just in that turn radius uh and then the other would be on the uh eastern parking lot which is laid out to accommodate low-speed vehicles and if
you wish to move forward with that plan then we need you need to ask direct staff to draft some language that would incorporate a low-speed vehicle parking component into our code because we do not have uh that in there now um so
otherwise uh the counties has agreed that if you'd rather have vehicle parking there that would be acceptable as well uh one other thing we have discussed is if you'll see the uh sidewalk where it comes and it makes a jog back to the north we're going to
have it move back into the um uh closer to the crosswalk that you see um there on the U eastern component so that it's not up next to uh the highway it's more uh closer to the um parking area so that
would be straight across and then it' make a 90 degree and a 90 degree back to get to the existing sidewalk so um depending on the direction you would have staff in the county to move forward uh if you would like us to prepare the
uh required variances to accommodate uh the um the um 20 foot width of the um exit on the uh western component and to accommodate the low speed vehicles on the eastern we will take that direction and move forward with it
all right thank you Larry uh first I have Councilwoman Abear with a question uh thank you mayor um I don't know if we need to address this to you or Mr coffee but we were talking about the variances that we were trying not to do but in this case this was based on grant money
and combined monies so this is an exception to those please clarify yes ma'am there were a number of variances that were required had we not made these changes and the county went you know to some great lengths quite frankly to get it to this point um and
so absent that 20 foot width we're going to have to do some redesign to accommodate the the the u a fire truck an emergency vehicle um so we uh staff doesn't have any issue with um that variance going from 10 to six feet for
that very reason and it's just at that small um from the rightway to the U highway quite frankly so it's not very much of a variance at all and the other side is just whether you want to accommodate low-speed vehicles or not and if we're accommodating low-speed
vehicles are we looking at two to four spots for those or is it just the one spot all of the spots all of the spots in the in the uh eastern lot are designed for low speed vehicles okay that's what I wanted to clarify
thank you i wanted to make sure we had a lot because that's the whole goal is to encourage LSVs down there on the beach anyway in the beach parking so all right thank you all right thank you for those questions up next Councilman Bagby so if we have the LSV policy it's going to
include the curb stops because you didn't mention the curb stops i'm sorry the curb stops there it is okay the way it is because the curb is elevated and that's that's sufficient for that all right i'm sorry you're right i didn't address that all right Councilman
Schmidt yeah uh this is uh appreciate it y'all and the county for doing that uh I would like to do one additional change um and that would be to Can you zoom out please whoever has the
zoom out zoom out oh okay ultimately I would like to make the western side of the parking lot a oneway in and then you loop around and you exit on the second so the very west would be
the in it'd be a one way and you would exit out so then you could continue going right and if you don't find parking there you can go the next amazing beach that we have at Tarpon Beach Access so I don't necessarily agree with the two-way on the right side there so
that'd be the only additional proposal that I'd add to that if it's uh the motions made and I would agree with that okay all right so uh would you guys like to or someone whether it's staff or from the county just I would love to hear your guys' projections on that we
we had that conversation and would agree that that's probably the best flow i'll go ahead and make a motion to move that the city council direct the county staff to revise the shores at Crystal Beach plans to include curbing wheel stops for the LSV parking proceed with the variance request submitt for the access
way setback accept the throat distance as designed align reconstruct the sidewalks as required by the code adopt the standard for LSV parking spaces in a city-owned parking lot public parking lot and to adjust the entry exit to be
one way i'll second that opposed anything else good does that work because we raised the sidewalk gotcha correct it's been accomplished i'm just reading all right i have a
Thanksgring or the eastern entrance into the western parking lot that's right that's one way in that way you're so take away all those arrows and it'll be reverse so the very western entrance would be an entrance not an exit so the soon as you get to the first turn it's
an entrance right there not an exit oh uh probably won't and then you're turning right the street's right across from the eastern entrance isn't it of the western parking lot
okay so if I'm coming down the street if I go straight across the street you run straight into that you run straight into the where it has both ways so that should be the entrance switch it around and then the exit
should be on the western side the western side of the western parking lot steve do you have anything to add on that yeah so yes that alignment is correct but what we what we would get into in this situation right here is that if you if you enter in here you go
around and you just get in this infinity loop right here whereas if this becomes the entrance right here yes people would have to turn right and and somehow get through here and then out but then they could it it would no longer be this infinity loop of people blocking here
they it would just it would it would just force a constant flow to the other parking lots as needed what What is the concern with the infinity route loop the the fact that somebody could just continually just do that loop over and
over and until the a parking a parking space becomes open and what prevents them from doing that anyway anyway when you reverse those arrows because once you get once you get to here if you come in here and you go all
the way around you have to exit out you can't you can't go this way you wouldn't be able to turn left it would just be it'd be a straight out or a right out you could turn You could turn left to go You can turn left you can turn left but you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to
come back in to the parking lot okay so if I'm headed westbound on Scenic Gulf Drive how do I get into that parking lot you you can only make a in this in that configuration right there it would be only a ride in so you'd have to go further back down and around again okay
no not that's a Do y'all go out there during the summer and see the cars parked in the you know 10 cars deep down at that stop at that stop sign it either way it's going to happen 10 10 cars deep this just prevents people that
configuration would just prevent people from doing that like I said the infinity loop and it would it would force people down to the other parking lots and then down and down and down so I think we were all in agreeance to what you were saying that we would just take out the far the middle right lane out and I think everyone was assuming we were
keeping the infinity loop we were just going to make it one way only yes is what I think everyone was Yeah shake sure i'll make Jim and everybody happy and we'll change it to what you're saying it's not a big deal we don't have to sit here and you know it's okay we can change it it was just a recommendation staff thought that would
be a bit good idea but it sounds like you want to make sure that we're all on the same sheet if I'm coming from 98 from the uh Holiday in Express I want to be able to come straight across into that parking lot understood yeah and then if I do an infinity loop I do it
you know where I'll be blocking traffic in the parking lot not up and down the highway all right councilman Dustin anything to add thank you Mayor i just needed some clarification on the modification of the ordinance about the low-speed vehicles i think I heard
someone say that would be in publicly owned parking lots only that it would apply is that correct so my question was does it that sounds like a where it should be i want to make sure it wasn't going to apply to all parking lots the recommendation was for publicly
owned parking lots and that's where we need to go thanks all right cool i see nothing else on the board uh we have the modification to it thank you sir i'll call the vote ray you got all that all
right all right eyes have it 70 so moved all right appreciate you guys showing up thank you for your time all right we will jump all the way to the front now 1a Harborwalk Village phase 2 compliance review Q&A you brought the whole team
push the button yes sir there you go it's been a while pardon me dc birthday or something he is actually he refused to come thank you well good evening um on behalf of myself and the legendary team appreciate
the opportunity to be here with you guys tonight and to share with you phase 2 at Harborwalk um those of you who don't know me I think most of you do my name is Dana Matthews i'm a local lawyer and I've been involved with Harborwalk since
um I guess 2000 over 25 years since we started um the process way back when um with me today is the legendary team you all know Peter Boss um the owner of Legendary Companies Pete Nolles who was sitting next to me the president and the
chief operating officer of Harborwalk Greg Darden vice president of commercial development chris Boss vice president of residential development tom Lynn general counsel um my trusty sidekick Steve Tatum who spends more time with you guys
than I do has been with us over nine years and he's been involved with various amendments at Harborwalk and of course other projects as you know up and down the harbor um we also brought um by Zoom um we have some consultants and for any technical questions that you might
have um I don't remember if the four of you were at which one of one of these DOS i think Dwey was here but I don't I can never remember because you guys been public servants for so long you get termed out then you come back but if you
I I thought it might be important at least for some of the others of y'all who um don't know the history of Harborwalk so if you would humor me and give me a few minutes to kind of give you a a history lesson i know that um
Daniel um Mr butler has provided um I think the original DO and all the amendments to the DO in your package as well as parking studies that we had done at different points during the time um but um and I saw Mr braden I told him he probably needed a new pair of glasses if
he actually read through all that stuff but um it's uh it might be easier if I can kind of give you a summary and that way to kind of lay the ground for questions you might have the original DO uh for Harborwalk is in your package
02-55 and it was actually approved on January 28th of 2003 that was almost 3 years from when we started it was a process um and at back at the time there were no height limits in the city of Dustin you have
different codes than you have today obviously different comp plans than you have today um it was a big project is 14.7 acres at the heart of coming in over the bridge into Destin and so it it took two and a half years to get through
the DO process which eventually was approved on a 5-1 vote for council but it went through several technical review committees and planning commissions and city council meetings before we ultimately got approved so what was approved what was approved was 170
condominium units at the time and 199,999 square feet of commercial that was based on density that we had in the code at the time i think it was 30 units an acre back then and then we also had um F I think
was 17 and or 1.7 and so that's how all the that's how you determine intensity obviously and and density and that project um and out of the 14.7 acres which is the ultimate size of of what we call
Harborwalk Village um but out of the development side was about 5.7 acres for phase one and that's what you've seen for the primary you come in the main entrance way everything on the west side the um height was all determined based on compatibility studies that were
done by uh various consultants including the cities and it was determined that the height of of the structure originally was one tower um at not to exceed 157 ft at height um which was 9 to 13 stories from grade u the crown of
of Harbor Boulevard multiple other smaller buildings um at 3 to four stories and it had 1373 parking requirements i could go through every single component of the parking but I assume that might be a question later so instead of going
through it now we'll save that uh to later but that's there was 1373 which was based on the code requirements at the time fast forward about a year later before any construction commenced we have
DO04-13 that they call that the first amendment that was approved on March 19th of '04 by the city council on a 61 vote what did it do it added 122 residential dwelling units to the west
side to phase one out of those 48 of them went into the condo building so instead of 170 you add 48 28 it also allowed 74 additional residential dwelling units out of the 122 to be spread out and if you see the DA DO
you'll see building A or D or K or L or whatever you got to go to the site plan to figure out where where the buildings are but of course you can go out there today because that's where they're at but that's also what uh the development order addressed so essentially it confirmed 292 um residential condominium
units in the building and uh to be spread about and also um it allowed a second tower not to exceed again the 157 ft um and then parking because of the additional residential condominium units
the parking requirements went up to 1587 and again you got to remember this is assuming everything gets built this is based on on on design that's and everything didn't get built but I wanted to make that point impact fees are about a,254,000 were paid to the city on that
project con now construction commences and so that's in ' 04 i think we started closing those units in the spring of ' 07 not a good time for closing condominium units in Destin any of you all remember when real
estate.com ended being a real estate development lawyer dealing with 20% hard money down people walking on their contracts i mean it happened all over and it was a very difficult time for anybody in the development community including the city of Dustin and we felt
it in our tax base um but my our developer visionary legendary um was able to sustain and and finish the project and close on these units but during that time before we even went to closings in in ' 07 we started the
process of going to a second phase one it was very important to vest under the city's codes and comp plan at the time any additional um entitlements for the next nine acres the eastern 9 acres of
this 14.7 acre site um and in fact they the my client we end up submitting um and you may remember this I think Mr bagger you were here for sure um we've submitted under the tier three category under tier three category you got bonus densities you got bonus densities for
intensity of use you got bonus densities for RDUs um residential dwelling units but only if you could get um provide public benefits that were acceptable to the city and you didn't know that until you got to the last meeting with the city council and you started negotiating
what those were that development order and the only reason why I tell you this is because what we ended up getting approved was a lot less than that the request was 237,000 excuse me 237 multifamily units 235,000 in um shopping center and
commercial 20,000 retail 25,000 square ft in office ultimately that was denied by the city we could come couldn't come to terms on on the public benefits part of it and it was denied in March of '08 so went back to the drawing board went
back work meeting with staff and what you have today what we have is is our entitlements is under the phase two as DO102 um I think they call it um second amended resubmitt tier 2 and under tier
2 if you remember under the comp plan that is a matter of right provided you meet certain conditions and ultimately um that was approved by the city council on uh November 5th of 2009 n again nobody in this council at the time nor
my client thought that we'd be developing anytime soon could we were still in a quote recession if you will not just in this country but around the world we didn't think it would be another 10 years before we would be here but it is what it is and that's and when
it was submitted it was submitted for 90 multifamily dwelling units again we're talking about the east 9 acres 90 multif family dwelling units 382,090 square ft of what we call nonresidential development that's under
the code which can be converted into in this particular case condo uh condo motel or motel units there's 251 units um and 25,000 in um retail so again 90
multifamily dwelling units uh short-term 382,000 and some change which would convert to 500 250 motel units and 25,000 in retail that's what was approved what was also approved is that
the these were conceptual plans nobody we didn't have we didn't go go to market and spend you know two $3 million on a full set of architectural plans so we created what's called the building envelope zone um and in that it was
important because on the height we didn't we didn't we all agreed that we weren't going to go to the 157 ft we were only going to go to nine stories or 100 ft over grade for the east side and but we wanted to know out of that 9
acres where the zone would be which because we we're talking about massing and and and orientation and view corridors and that kind of thing and so in your package you should have Can we pull this up Steve
who who does this this one right here okay it's up here i don't know if that shows well um the if you look at the you see a legend there it says height limit box previous building footprint current building
footprint the purpose of this uh drawing is to show in um the pre uh uh the height limit box i guess that's purple is the big box all the way around that's where the any structures that were going
to be over nine stories had to be located within that zone if you see the previous building footprint in red conceptually those were the two areas that we thought that there would be buildings that could potentially be between you know nine
stories 100 ft within in the red area um the current building footprint again this is current conceptual that's in your plans is in blue again just to show you that we've shrunk that area down and if you if you look at it and you see oh
there's a building there's a pool or whatever that's from the previous concept the previous conceptual not the one that we're currently looking at um but I can tell you that's where the parking garage is going to be which is going to be wrapped with these um with
the with these motel units um this area up here in the northwest corner um to the extent that there's going to be a building there is going to be um um anywhere between 60 and 90 units we're not going to exceed what this council has already approved and what we're vested with although we're looking
conceptually now in the plans you got I think it shows 60 units and I think it shows 245 motel units in the um in the parking garage so the also at the time when the as part of the DO that multimodal um the city
had adopted in January of 2009 the multimodal um regulations that it has which also gave you um credits for certain type of multimotal improvements like the transit stops that we agreed to put in as part of the plan um and
certain ingress and egress and and different things the bottom line is that all got applied in that in this DO in in the in phase two it got applied for the new uses as well as to the old
uses the and I think it was 665,000 was the estimated impact fees at that time of course phase 2 has not been built um the the the also the DO textually in the text of the DO if you've read it and in
the plans that were approved that you have you'll see different conditions and different notes what was important is that everybody knew these were conceptual drawings that when we got to the final technical and of all the
architectural and all the floor plans and the storm water and the ingress and egress and the traffic all those things had to be addressed in the future by staff what we believed was that the that the DO and the textual require uh
language in in the plans was it would all be done on a staff level and uh as a minor DO not in front of not city council approval again because they they vested it as long as you stayed within your your your zone you didn't get outside the the the boxes and you didn't
get outside the height and you met all the other technical requirements then staff would be able to prove it of course that was in 2009 and staff asked us if we would please come to the city council and because to introduce this project because it's been so long and
and some of y'all have never seen it before so we agreed to do that um the the other thing that's happened um since that time is and I don't I think it's in your report in
2015 we had pretty much completed phase one at that point and the marina I forgot the marina wasn't part of the doo as y'all know the marina gets done through the waterway boards and later on city council but the the uh the marina and had you had to take into
consideration the marina and the different uses is within the marina different slip usages because if you're a charter boat you required x amount of parking spaces per depending on the capacity of the boat if you're a pontoon it's a different one if you're a wave
runner it's a different one so all this stuff had to be accounted for so 2015 um we were looking to to actually reduce some of the units in phase one that hadn't been built take it off the plans and convert take some of the commercial that hadn't been built and and convert
them into motel rooms so we went and did what I call ground truthing and verification um and there is a letter from Ken Gander should be in your package back in June of 2015 and John Hall from Emerald Gran and I can't
remember who it was from the city but Lily spent several days down there counting parking spaces and identifying what the uses were and then showing exactly how many parking spaces were required for each use when they finished that report um and that spreadsheet and
if you've looked at it we have 72 excess park 1146 spaces that were in existence on in 2015 when this report was done and 72 of them were in excess what was required in terms of what had been built
at that point and there were four of them that were vacant because we didn't have a occupancy of a particular tenant or whatever even though they were accounted for so what's happened since then since 2015 uh we finished up with what we call uh I
don't remember the DO number but it was um to take 37,000 square ft of the commercial that hadn't been built in phase one and to take three uh condo units that were big penthouse units that hadn't been built and to convert that
into motel rooms smaller motel rooms 34 of them to be exact to do that we had to go back and take the parking plan we had to get another traffic study uh Joe Pool Southern Traffic Sciences did it and did the analysis and ended up being that we
would have 20 less than the 72 excess if we actually completed it we got approved um by in a DO amendment to that effect and then 2018 we went back to the city um Jennifer Pila I think was the community
du development director and we saw a director's determination again because Mr glander's letter was a director's we wanted it again we want again we're constantly being um cognizant of parking traffic
etc and we wanted the city to approve the baseline of the uh parking and so that happened i don't I think that's in your package but it actually was a development order that was issued to that effect it's um development order
18-13 issued May 23rd 2018 Miss Bry's letter to Steve Tatum and it had all the backup reports from 2015 and the letters and everything to to confirm um that that happened the only So did those 34
units get built nope so again uh just recently actually um my client pulled a building permit to build 24 I think of the units or 26 26 of those units so again we we have plenty of parking we
are over the what we're required to have and so now when we get to the phase two what are we going to do about parking the this once the final plans are approved by by staff we will be within
the envelope we will not exceed any of the entitlements that the city has given us on phase two we will comply with all technical requirements on storm water traffic you name it but what's what we've done over this last year in regard
to some of those issues is that the city as you know hired Baskerville and Donovan to do a PD&E um coming off the bridge because of traffic in general that's why we're doing a cross town you know connector all kinds of things and my clients have been working with them i
think Mr destin I understand you've been in quite a bit involved mr mayor I think you've been involved uh Pete Nullles has been involved mr darden and our traffic people working again with BDNE and with FDOT so that hopefully the approval you
know the new design that come has us coming off the bridge heading east and literally right now you see the sidewalk and grass and landscaping all that that's going away and there's going to be another drive aisle that's going to come off that bridge to keep traffic
from being to allow people that want to go east past EML grand instead of queuing up in the south southbound lane waiting to turn in that now we're going to have it's approximately 300 ft I think is the depth of that drive that
will be and one way into the project you know that we worked also in preparation for phase two a few years ago to gut get FD dot um and working with the city to approve two lanes heading um west and turning uh south into the parking lot
and created a separate we before we had one um roundabout only one lane now we've got two and so that's helped improve traffic circulation if you look at part of the plan and this would be
the the next drawn please this one here if you look at the um running east and west on on the northern part of the project coming in if you'll notice the drives and the arrows that's a this is a
new improved um internal traffic um pattern creating a new roundabout there on the western side it will always allow access through the parking garage on the west for anybody coming in but it also is going around the roundabout and
heading back to the east to allow access to the new parking garage which you see is what phase 2A is going to be um and to come into there and then to exit there and then to have a one-way turnout heading east on the northeastern corner
of the property um that's something that's new that that wasn't in in the prior version back in 2009 and again working with the city and and FDOT uh again for just traffic circulation purposes the um the other thing is is
that as you know that there is no I mean we don't have to require provide public benefits but I think this project does provide public benefits and I just want to share with you you know my thoughts on that when the parking garage is ultimately built and that's by the way
let me back up so phase two was also designed in in the DO and in construction plans to be built in subphases instead of just taking all nine acres and start and turning into a construction zone to do it in subphases the first phase of that is going to be
the parking garage and that parking garage I cannot tell you today how many parking spaces are going to be in there i can tell you it's going to be approximately 500 more than what we're required for our entire site um and the staff will have all that to review once we get to the final design state we just
signed design contract with an architect last week so for different stages not full work drawings until we get through this process with you guys but enough to be able to show elevations and um um floor plans and that kind of thing but that's that's designed for so you build
the parking garage so people will have access to it and a whole lot more capacity than what we need because we're not going to have any of the phase 2 improvements done we have just have a parking garage then we're going to start wrapping the parking garage with 240 245
250 whatever the motel units are going to be based on their ultimate size but it's not going to exceed the DO that you all given us from back in in 2009 then the third the last phase will be what then they'll do the recreational area which you see on phase 2A I think it
shows it up there and then that area at the top that will be the last phase probably which would be 60 to 90 you know units in in that project again not to exceed our DO entitlements um so we think that providing all you know
approximately 500 parking spaces for the public is a big public benefit for everybody considering that um parking always seems to be parking needs in Dustin um we have been continuing to work with the city i'm not quite sure
I've talked to staff and and Miss Cop i don't know exactly where the city's at but I know with the acquisition of the property on the other side of the bridge next to Marina Acres that y'all bought from that guy up in Georgia that that it's at some point hopefully sooner rather than later we're going to be um
finishing up the design plans for the boardwalk that's going to connect the north side to the south side and of course my client has to give an easement for that purpose we're not having any problem with that we're continuing to work with the city to make sure that when you get ready to do go through that
project that we will um be providing that public benefit without charging the city for it or the public um there is an interest in that the city and I think it's on the agenda later on um
interesting to see what the latest is i know the city has been working with Okaloosa County and I assume TDC funds i don't know that for sure and with seeking additional grant money to potentially build an overpass from the north side of Harbor Boulevard over to
the south side or maybe a tunnel again to keep people pedestrians from actually having to walk across Highway 98 my client has been in in conversations with city we'll continue to cooperate with the city we think it's a great idea um
and we will support the city in any of its grant requests with any of the regulatory agencies that they're working with um there's been a um through the PD&E I think from what I understand preliminary is that um it might be
beneficial when you come off the bridge and you get the light at Stallman right now you got one lane short Q- lane that goes north on Stallman and there's been some discussion from my understanding from some of city people and um and
Baskville Donovan to create two lanes an additional lane that would so you have two lanes going north in Stallman we will continue to work with the city and anything we can do to support that project if that's something that the city really wants to do um so it's question and answer time i
hope I haven't been too wordy um but I'll be willing to answer any questions you have if I can't answer them hopefully our team can all right up first uh Councilman Braden thank you Mayor um my first question is
tonight why are you here pardon me my question is my first question is is why are you here tonight why am I here tonight because I was invited here by your staff and your city attorney for to give a workshop and answer
questions from any of the council members about phase 2 since it done so long ago that most people don't know anything about it and that we have a doo that's good through October of 2031 and we've been working with this
city since I think January or February of 24 and so it was time to get some approvals and they asked us to come so if you approve approvals for what and if you got a DOU why are you here why aren't you so I'll just jump in for one second the um applicant came to the city
expecting to go right to construction permitting and so we said "You're going to need to go to council first you're going to need a development order amendment because you're making changes to your most recently approved development order all of the development orders as amended." And so in those
discussions it was he was they were invited to come have a question and answer session first prior to the approval meeting just because the project have had been approved so many years ago and to answer any questions and due to the major community impact of
a project of that size so you're wanting to make changes to or amend the development order pardon me ultimately there will be an amendment to the development order it will be an amendment to the development or a minor amendment because you have to deal with storm water you
got to deal with internal traffic circulation you got to deal with impacts to external traffic circulation you got to make sure that the building envelope is within the same envelope that you previously approved the height is not exceeded the density hasn't been exceeded the intensity of use hasn't
been exceeded so that's done by the staff to a minor development order process so yes um matter of fact all the other amendments that we've had Mr braden we've had a number of them they've been done other than the three I mentioned to you every one of them are done on a staff level and they follow
the rules and but every one of them have been documented i'd have to disagree with following the rules pardon me i would say I would have to disagree with following the rules with those amendments i've read the amendments and I know how the amendments was passed especially amendment three um
when you know the individuals that you work for they don't and that that's probably why you're here tonight because you don't have or they don't have Kenny Glander they don't have Greg Cassella and they ain't got Jerry Miller here anymore so now they come to the council
want council's approval for amendments I know they went to staff and wanted staff to change it and staff go and change it because it's got to go to council just like the third amendment they they had was supposed to go to council and it didn't No Blander just signed off on that itself and then all of a sudden you
got what two additional floors to grand no no no no well make sure you misunderstood the third amendment was approved in November something of 2009 by the city council it was approved by I
don't the staff didn't put in the staff report or in the approval of the DO what the vote was but I can tell you it was similar the only person that voted against it the first two times when we had 5161 votes I believe with Larry Willigans if I remember correctly but I
I but anyway it was approved by the city council at a public hearing it yeah it may have been approved by the city council but it was I I was involved back then some and I know how the approvals went the first reading got approved and
then all of a sudden on second reading your the city manager that they had in their pocket Greg Cassello and Ken Gander and Jerry Miller would drop it on our desk and say there's been a couple minor changes to the second reading nothing significant just go ahead and
pass it and there's there's a stack you know like this we didn't have time to read that so we took their word for it that there's just been minor changes well the third amendment is just not a minor change it was it was considered a major development order for phase two
and that's how it was it was a major and it got approved i mean I've read all of it front and back and I and I know but um it went through just just refresh your memory it went through three technical review committee meetings and then it also went to I think two LPA meetings then it went to I think it was
two remember tier three had already gotten rejected it went through several council meetings before it was ultimately approved this wasn't done in the dark it wasn't done in the shade and I know you have your opinion Mr braden um but I've been involved ever since then i didn't have Greg Casala or Kenny
Glander in my pocket i can tell you that well no it wasn't in yours we jumped to a lot of We had a lot of money it it go this this is your amendments 1 through five here's your parking this is
bigger than all the development order amendments and it's funny that this um multimotal was established in 2009 but all these parking studies and stuff was 2005 2006 and 2008 but everybody says we have plenty
of parking but this this parking study that was done but I was told by Greg Cassella that I needed to go talk to Ken Gander and have him explain it to me how it was pencil whipped by whoever was hired to because I know the city did their study they we went down and
counted and then all of a sudden Emma Grand does their parking study and comes back we Oh we have plenty i all I can tell you is there were parking studies done for every single DOU what I was telling you after
the construction after phase one has been built not all intensity has been built there but after it was built in 2015 we worked with the city and did a hand count that's what in the city's um um uh consultants I think it was
Renaissance at the time reviewed all that our clients reviewed it we went out and not only counted but looked at the use of what boat was in there what does that boat do how many parking spaces did it to require that was approved by the city in 15 and it was reverified in 2018
so it's now can I tell you today if the same John Doe tenant is in there that was there in 2018 and maybe now if it's retail it doesn't matter you get one parking space per 250 if it's a different boat use you you would be correct if it's a there's one more
pontoon instead of there was before or one less charter boat that could change that I can tell you this we will if this is something that the council wants we don't mind going back and recounting and and updating that report since it was
done in 18 to show you when we come back that and show staff um what the current uses are but those always change when tenants leave but but I'm telling you that the vested development order that we have that we haven't started
construction on is going to create over 500 parking spaces more than it's required and it will be documented by staff and it will be on paper i mean I'm not we're not trying to hide the ball on this so you're going to you're going to have
500 more than parking spaces on what's proposed before tonight yes sir it's already our DO's already been Yeah the DO has already been done but remember I told you that the plans don't get developed until later this now
here we fast forward 11 years we're going to be going to construction so we have to spend the money with the architects and engineers to have final design plans with within the boundaries of the entitlements we have we know that there is another need for property it
doesn't matter what the city's codes are i mean we have projects all up and down the harbor that this festive environment that we've created which is awesome for Destin with the boardwalk but we know that our code that there's sometimes there's more usage than what the code
requires in parking and so we've been everybody's been creating additional parking we're going to create additional parking so there's no more additional parking in this parking garage than what was supposed say 5 years ago i'm sorry I can't hear you there there's no more parking you're not ask not asking for no
more parking on this parking garage than what say was proposed five or six years ago 10 years ago still same parking garage all right we have 1146 parking spaces confirmed and verified by the city as of
2018 we have not built anything since which was 72 more than what was required but that was the parking garage that's in the existing parking garage and existing surface parking as you know when phase two gets done some of that surface parking is going away i get that
but I'm asking about the parking garage in the parking garage i'm asking about the parking the new parking garage that you're proposing to build yes sir that that's not changing whatsoever when you say changing what do you mean we didn't have a numerical count of
parking spaces in '09 we just knew what was required for the residential and the commercial components and so that was identified in the DO what is actually built will have to be built i mean we will have to have
parking spaces to require that we intend to build another 500 on top of that and make it available to the public so so I have not seen you're telling me I have not seen a parking garage design for phase two that is correct you are
correct i've not seen Well you've seen you've seen conceptual going back in 2009 but have you seen an actual floor plan by floor plan how many spaces no you have not seen that okay um uh my other question would be um how
many square feet for each proposed use was approved in the original DOU and how many square feet for each proposed unit use is being requested now for retail residential hotel we're not changing any
the um the the way that the code reads what we approved in 2009 let's let's talk about the um 382,000 square ft of non-residential you you determine motel
units within that in other words you cannot exceed 382,000 square ft of a building we in our designs think that we can do 252 condo motel units okay two bedrooms a piece you're required under the code
to have one parking space for one bedroom a half a parking space for the second bedroom so you have to have one and a half per each of those units that was approved in the prior and that is not changing that is not changing we're not trying to limit it the commercial is
based on one like ret one per 250 square ft so that's and that's what the parking was based on so if you take depending on how much of the commercial is not used for the hotel let's say you out of the 382 you build 250 units and there's
20,000 square foot left of of commercial that can be used you can apply the parking standards to that based on one per 250 ft that hadn't changed the multifamily units that were approved the 90 that is based on I believe it is what
was it Steve let me get that that is um 180 spaces were required for those 90 units that is determined that not to exceed three bedrooms two to three bedrooms required 180 parking spaces we're not seeking to uh to change
that now if we only built 60 which is one of the concept plans that you do have in your package then that number would go down because it's it it's um um uh based on 90 units as opposed to 60 units but we're not seeking
to eliminate parking other than only what's required and we want to build more than what's required for the public um if there's if you say there's significant amount of parking in phase one why do uh why can't all the
employees for that establishment park on property why some of them have to park off property well I guess I I have not asked my client that i'm not saying they can't park there um I know that in the second phase just so you'll know your client's here you can ask him huh your client's
here you can ask him i I don't think that's I I'll I'll I'll get the answer for you and I will let you know okay but I I want you do want you to know though that there is staff parking that is taken into consideration in phase two i mean you have to do I can't I think it's
one per um 20 bedrooms that you have to have i think we have like 13 parking spaces just for one component of the project you have to create staff parking um Um another question was uh this DOU was
approved like say decades ago um do you recognize the city has grown around you and what will you do to minimize the negative impacts on the community with this well I guess the eyes of beauties are always in the eyes of beholder
there's some of you up here and some of you in the public that may not like Emerald Grand and Harborwalk and and what it's brought to the city and then there's others that think quite differently um it has become the anchor as you come over the bridge for the boardwalk people come there and use our
parking regardless of whether they're coming to Harborwalk or not they travel east u to along the boardwalk it has provided a lot of business I think for other people this collaborative effort that we've spent having this boardwalk
is a I think it's been a positive thing um and it's definitely generated tax revenue from Avalor taxes the department of revenue taxes and it support helps sustain the working harbor that we have i don't know if you remember we have I think we have up to 35 I'm not sure the
exact number right now charter boats we that was part of the thing that we committed to is that we would provide a place for the charter boats to have a home because they had been there before with the Kelly docks um yes we have a the fleet over another area but our
charter boat captains have definitely benefited by people walking up and down that boardwalk and seeing the fish coming every day and being hung up um and and so I think again beauty's in the eyes of the beholder um we all we can do to mitigate um uh we're not the the
creator of all the traffic in Dustin we're not the creator of parking issues in Dustin um and but we are working with the city and we'll continue to work through some of those improvements that I described um on the second phase that I hope will help mitigate some of these
issues you're talking about mayor yes sir thank you Councilman G hi sir yes how you doing Mr g i'm fine sir how are you good all right i I do have a list of questions here and uh Mr braden did touch on a few of them um one thing I do want to reiterate though is
something uh Councilman Braden brought up that I I heard from the public when we raised parking prices in our public lots a lot of the employees contacted me directly and stated that uh Emerald Grand employees were forced to p park in public parking since we raised our fees
and raised that um and you're stating that the new parking garage is going to allow for spaces for all the employees of the Emerald Grand where they're not going to have to pay for public parking i I I didn't say that i think that there will be parking available for them i
cannot tell you exactly how many extra parking spaces i haven't I don't think the clients decide okay these 500 are just open for the public or 450 are the public and 50 are for the for staff i don't think we've gotten that far but I will have that conversation and I will
definitely get that information back since two of y'all have raised that issue and it's not just me bringing up the issue like I said the public brought it up to me so it's my job to you um and I do have a couple questions here
that I'd like to ask um and unfortunately I I apologize for some reason and I I don't know why because I'm looking around nobody else's having the issue but my internet keeps closing the page so refreshing yeah but it keeps dropping i know for sure oh you guys keep dropping as well so I have to keep
scrolling back to try to reload some of these questions I can't really refer to anything directly but um one of my questions is uh when did the parking for all the kiosks get elevated and can you show us a survey of everything on site and how many parking
spaces are provided for each kiosk and use on the property um if you'll Steve is this in the is this in the Yes in there all right can you pull this up it's DO 18-13
and if you can go to the parking table I think it's the fourth page or the third page keep going we're looking for the schedule parking schedule right there have to turn us for those of you that have this in your
package um I'm trying to have him pull it up here but to answer your question Mr g if you'll notice at the top you'll see the first category called shopping center approved for $199,999 which is what I told you and
then it shows you the various uses there and it tells you if it's a restaurant full service how many square feet how many um parking spaces are required um per square foot and then the total parking required is your fifth column
over so the first part deals with the what we call the shopping center but to get to your very specific question um the next category on the second page has the marina and it has all their different uses where did I see it hold
on all the kiosks are on here oh yeah top of the second page it has a category called kiosk/portable buildings for vendors and booking and for instance it say breaks it up between booths retail service office it had um
uh 19 kiosk portable building booths one per 250 square feet parking space is required it had the laser theater the laser maze um I don't know if that answers your question but we did take into consideration every structure down
there and remember this was all reverified in 18 okay and do all the vessels and liberties have sufficient parking and if they do can you show me where on this sheet where you've got yeah if you go to the second page uh where it says Marina
you see that on the left column and again I apologize i keep losing it but you want it's here right now so if you see there Marina you see a whole bunch of names of the vessels in the second column it tells you what type of vessel
so the first bunch of them were charter vessels then you have under boogies leisure vessels then you've got um snorkel or sightseeing boats and the reason why these are broken out is because each type of vessel requires a
different amount of parking space so to overall answer your question yes we've counted every parking space that's required for this specific type of vessel as of 2018 again we haven't I haven't gone back and done this but we will um and we've accounted according to
the code requirements all right um one of the other things that you stated earlier uh let me let me go to this one first um you said there's no plans for the parking garage yet but how high are you planning to to build this parking garage and is there going to be
anything on top of it or is going to be strictly dedicated to parking it no it it No it's all right it's not going to exceed nine stories or 100 ft from the crown of a Harbor Boulevard that's the code requirement so the building will
not exceed that it will be parking spaces this is a parking garage but wrapped around it similar to Emerald Grand even though there's going to be a little different motif but similar wrapped around it are going to be the 250 units but the first phase is going to be the
parking does that make sense in other words a parking garage that that has access through it to the walls and all the inner all the inner spaces and to create the the motel all right so there's not going to be a restaurant a pool or anything at the top
of it it's just going to be strictly parking and you're going to wrap the Well we have 382,000 ft so I can't tell you that there's not going to be some retail or commercial around that until it gets fully designed we will not exceed what the city has approved i can
tell you that all right um so earlier you mentioned the board walk under the bridge installment improvements and you said we'll support but you didn't really go into detail
about what you're willing to support and we understand that this is an impact of the city um and its residents so what I'm trying to understand is what are you guys willing to to contribute to the city to mitigate the impacts for this
project i mean support can mean okay a plethora of things i'm going to try to answer this as politely as I can um we have a development order that's approved these vested entitlements we're not required to provide any additional
public benefits what we are doing voluntarily is creating approximately 500 parking spaces which is a tremendous cost of 22 to $24,000 a parking space um is a public benefit in my opinion the harbor the
connecting the boardwalks if the city city has been in the past has um through grant money has paid for the boardwalk to the extent that private property owners gave them an easement i
spent several years working on this boardwalk easement way back when it terminates on the western side on my client's property as you know y'all bought the property on the other side of the bridge it's got to be connected y'all want it connected you have to come
on our property we don't have a problem providing easement we're not going to build the boardwalk but we will help support it in any way we can but we will create create whatever easements that need to be built and design standard we don't mind working with the designers of
the city we've done that for years so we just want it to be um a a wide want to make sure it's safe we'll make sure it's lit under the bridge so that it's safe pedestrian travel um for the city's new property and hopefully that boardwalk is
going to continue further north on the north side but that's a city council decision so that's one thing in terms of the uh tunnel under the if the city elects and through its consultants and we grant money can do a tunnel or a
pedestrian overpass guess what they got to come on our property on the other side of the street we're going to work with the city to do that we think it makes sense it's it's a public safety issue um so are we going to build the overpass no that wouldn't be fair but we
will work with the city from a design standpoint location sighting easements whatever needs to be done that's a public benefit all right so you're basically saying support by your definition is providing easement yes sir okay and and and any
design or other consulting work it's important to know what we're doing on one side y'all doing on the other side i mean that's that's just good partner private public partnership i can tell you get a little frustrated i'm just asking No no no i'm not I'm not I apologize i don't mean to I don't mean
to be i'm not frustrated yeah i was just asking for clarification sure um All right i think that'll cover me for now all right councilman Bagby you're up okay thank you Mayor i appreciate it
um first I want to thank the staff and the city attorney and uh legendary team you know for the update and that's all it is i think if the staff had told us you know
or introduced this piece this is an update no DOS are getting approved the DO's already approved all the envelopes are already identified they're just updating you because a bunch of you haven't been here for every one of these meetings i was on the council that voted
against you on the tier three because I didn't think y'all gave a sufficient amount of public benefit you know everybody had a different we had different opinions but you know that that council said no uh the parking and I leave it up to the staff and the city
manager and the city attorney to make sure that we got the right amount of parking spaces in the right places and that we're not exceeding the building envelope and I understand my here's the thing I would like to see and I'm just this is just my opinion uh I want to
know when the turn lane is going in because that should go in before that parking garage goes in i'll just be honest with you you're talking about the eastbound coming in off the bridge eastbound turn lane coming off the bridge that was one of the requirements in the original DEO or one of the
agreements in the original DOU that turn lane has got to be there for everything else to work the other reason that that's important is yes we are hopefully in the next year or so going to put a tunnel underneath uh 98 and where it
lands and you have you've already identified where it probably should land and I would I and you're right it benefits you for if everybody in our parking lot is funneled through you know your property there but you have a pedestrian crosswalk waiting area with
final size and location to be confirmed uh on your uh village phase two civil yeah mhm perfect perfect place for it to come you know for the and what we're looking at just so you know if you've missed a
couple of our meetings what's down at the east end of 38 what they did between 30 Avenue and the east end of 38 that's exactly what we're trying to reproduce here it is amazing and it it fits this
town to a tea so you know we've been working with consultants and people to get money and the county's helping us out although they've already left uh but you know to so we can get some matching grants to to build this so anything you
can do to help us in that sure area or whatever we would appreciate but that the turn lane has got to be one of the first things you do because doesn't matter how many parking spots if people can't get to them and you're backing up traffic you know we're we're doing everything we can with the tunnel to
improve the traffic flow at that intersection as Mr dustin has championed has the worst intersection in this town even worse than the ones out where in the part of town I live in and we've got to fix we've got to separate the people from the cars uh and and he's been
championing that and hopefully we will get that done that's that's all I'm looking at i appreciate y'all coming and updating i mean I knew most of this stuff uh but there are a lot of folks that didn't know most they may have disagreed with what was you know what
was done was the councils all the previous councils followed the law it wasn't like I mean I I got elected because of the Emerald Grant because as I told u one of my opponents in ' 06 every time they add a story I get more
votes and you lose more votes and so you know bless his heart but uh and I did and but they they followed the law when they approved it because they were told that they couldn't consider certain things and
they didn't and So thank you for coming that's all I got to say thank you all right Councilman Dustin thank you Mayor and uh I appreciate you you guys making the effort to come and try to at least get the envelope that the council will have and expectations
as we go forward but there are two issues here as far as I'm concerned the intersection which as Jim says and which I concur is the worst performing intersection in the city it's the worst performing intersection not 100% because of your development but a large part it
is people park all over on the north side go to it those are your customers and and we approved the plan so we are jointly responsible for fixing the problem and that's where I expect us to move yes sir and the other big problem
is the parking without knowing what your retail uses are going to be um it gets really fuzzy i know that for my restaurants I had to provide 100 every 100 square feet
was one parking space under that standard you would need 20 2,250 spaces i understand that's not the space just for your retail it doesn't all apply because it's not all restaurant i get that part i agree with you and and but
until we parse it out I don't want us to go forward with the idea that we're going to we're going to go forward with you only need four parking spaces for every thousand square feet and I'm sorry I didn't that I that was for the retail component but I agree with you restaurants are treated differently and
and whatever the particular use bars we have a concept we can come up with reasonable parking yes sir we all know there's not enough parking there you don't have enough parking at a 100 square feet for every space that's not enough parking for a successful
restaurant either it's about a third so we've got a parking problem we need to address and uh until we get more details it's going to be impossible to do that i looked at some of the some of the boat figures too and they seem a little bit skewed and offbalance to me we're going
to have to get a a uh a better calculation some of the pontoon boats that appeared were under utiliz underparked as far as I understand the parking requirements so that's all going to be a work in progress and we'll have to uh work with staff and you will have
to work with staff to make sure that we address those issues but we've got to get the pedestrians out of that intersection because there's what's stopping and and we all know in the summertime it's it's backed up two or three miles in each direction and a lot of that is because of the pedestrians
that are crossing back and forth they're your customers mayor public but they're going to your business from parking on the other side of North so we need to do all we can reasonably do between the city and your and your gang there to try
to fix that problem as best we can because to add another 225,000 ft and 382 multif family hotel rooms and all of the things here that's doubling close to it what you're doing
now and so What in the world is that going to do with the intersection if we don't make some improvements um I did notice you talking about you were working toward two lanins onto Salman u we made it quite clear in all the meetings I've
been to that we didn't want to put a four-lane bypass through the heart of Dustin and that was not an option i I don't know if I can hit Bal Don and over the head with a bigger baseball bat i was going to say that came from them so we assumed that it came from y'all and so we said "Okay well we'll support it that's what the city wants i They
don't listen very well we'll see we'll see if we can get somebody that does listen better if they continue down that path but we're going to support you guys okay so that's you know we've got a lot of work to do to go forward you've got to develop an order we can't take that away for you lawfully but we need for
you to get together with us and let's fix some of these problems it'll benefit you and it'll benefit us okay thank you Councilman Schmidt thank you sir thank you Mr matthews i appreciate the update and the team being
here um I think uh the history walk is awesome you know I was back in those days I was either running around with your boys down there at Bat Tuesdays before it was built and then while it was being built I was at Alabama you know tailgating and all that stuff so it's good to hear it um in a different
aspect now so thank you a few questions and I I agree with Mr bagby and Mr dustin I I understand all that um going back to the parking plan I think I understand you said 2015 the shared parking diagram or
something 1146 spaces there's 72 spaces in excess right now there there were back then there were back then so does that mean then y'all feel like phase one parking is up to code it's it
meets the requirements that based on based off of that yeah because we haven't built anything since then right so to highlight some of the things Mr guile was talking about and I think you referenced that y'all might be uh okay with doing another plan study i have no problem um
just like to highlight a few things you know for example because this is this is a an issue that I have with some of our city stuff shared parking plans and change of use mhm things change all the time and then we never really follow up with making sure that the parking didn't change and it kind of sneaks under the
radar sometimes um not just you guys but this is a city issue uh for example Boogies has like 500 wave runners over there i there's not a single mention of waveunners on the parking plan here yeah
I think there is yeah there is i'm almost there 90 PW okay thank you so small handwriting here yeah 40 boogies at this in 2015 they had 40 pontoons and 90
PWC's which I assume are wave runners and they show you you had have to have 2.2 spaces per pontoon thank you i sat here and looked at this for 15 minutes and didn't see those two lines until I sat here and asked the question i had to look at it too i had to go find the key as you see I'm also turning this uh
laptop sideways over here okay so we're good with that then i appreciate it i still would like to take you up on doing another updated one though that would be nice um do we know how many community center parking spaces we
have and the two lots off Zerby do we know approximately the com the community center is uh I think I hate to say I'm not going to hold you to like an exact number but I think it's 101 rough number
y'all are offering to put 500 additional parking spots in this garage for the public or for somebody to use it's not a requirement that's correct for your for your DO which is awesome right so I would assume that those 500 parking
spots would be probably in excess of the city lots would you oh yeah yeah i think the ones you got down on across from Claude Perry's property you'll have 146 surface parking spaces over there the Zerby you got what 60 or something like
that okay yeah i I don't remember exactly but So we've been talking the whole stomach intersection thing i mean yeah it's it is a nightmare and yes a big part of it might have been because of the Emerald Grand but it's not all all their fault sure it's the city
agreed to it um but we also been talking about this underpass that starting to be discussed but if we're going to put if y'all are going to put 500 parking spots on the south side of 98 sounds like everybody's just going to be able to park over there and not have to cross the street anymore potentially unless I
mean that's a great public benefit up to 500 up to 500 vehicles i don't think we're putting that many on the north side that's paid parking for our locals well huh that would be paid parking if I don't know many locals that are parking on that lot and then walking but that's just my opinion um but there's going to
be 500 of them more than the city parking lots I think so do you do you think there would ever be any willingness to like allow city of Destin residents with their decal to like go over there and park in those spaces would that like something that could
work you mean like like the additional public benefit the garage is there but you know in the city of Dest we have decals where we can park for free in our city lots i thought it cost me money every time I go on city but you're not a city Dustin resident are you you're a text i got to figure out how to use my
dad phone to make it work yeah oh just the idea to consider that the additional public benefit would be the act you know a couple people have been asking about the public allowing the city of Destin residents to go over there and park in those 500 spaces for free
uh all year long would be a kind of a nice public benefit in addition to y'all providing 500 spaces well I'll be more than happy they're all here we're taking in everything you have to say sure um Council Councelor Schmidt I have those numbers for you if you're ready sure so
uh the number of pay spaces and this is not including the handicap spaces at the community center we have 82 Marlor Street 142 and Zerby Street 75 uh with the consideration that uh our undergrounding contractor is occupying
one of those at least less than half of the 500 that you guys are going to provide as a public benefit so I mean that's that's good to know for the future when we're also talking about multi-million dollar pathways under or over ground that's very good to know um time shares that's a big thing that
always gets discussed around the city um the time share situation in the numeral grand I don't know if they still do them they don't do them do you know if there's any plan to do time shares in phase two we haven't solidified any of that at this point is there that will be
the city staff will be notified once we get our final plan would there be different requirements for time share units versus city code doesn't require it differently based on parking i mean based on sleeping beds as they call it got
it and you answer the wrapped parking garage question all right that's all I had sir thank you very much thank you all right I'm going to jump in the parking requirements and kind of talking about the shared parking requirements i'm going to try to dive in a little bit
more where what uh Councilman Guile and Schmidt left off um do you know what the unadjusted parking requirements were before the shared parking agreement little north of 2600 um I think they were on the third D i mean when we got
our phase two oh what the unadjusted was no I don't remember if we weren't going to do the shared parking if if you guys aren't doing mixuse shared parking what your all-in parking requirements would have been um I got it up well I can tell you basically there's a 20% reduction
from multimotal and there was an internal capture as well um based on an internal um report approved by the city i don't remember what that was but something tracking with me north of 20% so that that brings us from what I've seen from all the documents and I was
trying to catch up on my history here as well um was the unadjusted was 2,677 spaces because of shared use logic and internal trip calculations the requirement was reduced to
1,629 spaces which becomes illegal so that's where I'm you're you're you're gifting us 500 but our shared parking usage which is about letting pedestrians move around freely and safely through this harbor festive marketplace really
allowed you guys to take a reduction of a thousand so gifting us five of the 500 back I appreciate but I'm I'm just letting you guys know I'm I I love where we've been going with the overpass underpass if that seems to be a an
object um I agree that we need to work together for the the land easement but I also wanted to let my thoughts and if there's any objections or if I've done my research wrong that we're still 500 off from the original if we weren't having those shared parking agreements
that were you know codified in 18 well that's if you built out 100% of the first phase DO which hasn't happened correct and and that's before the multimodal that was applied and approved by council in 2009 for sure so I'm I'm using all this just to say I I will be
wanting to hold those those past motions because of the shared parking requirements which kind of makes this intent that this is a flowing pedestrian-friendly community that I just would like to make sure that
if anything if I'd like to stay not sideways with you guys as we work on all these community public private partnerships That's what I'm always going to be going back to you guys if I'm going to try to hold your feet to the fire to make public benefit that's where I'll be
coming from is we had a shared parking agreement you guys are doing more than enough on your own to house this all internally with traditional but to your point this is all under the the shared parking arrangement so I would just like to say
that you know the pedestrian overpass or underpass the under the bridge I I I would like to think of it as an obligation to for you guys to commit to what we agreed on in 18 and prior to that so that's just if we can work on those things together then I'm not going
to have too much of a of a fuss because I know legally you guys have your DO but under that DO was a shared parking agreement so we just like to emphasize what that means as a partnership as we create better safe pedestrian mobility
in different avenues of projects so that's that's just what I wanted to say and be upfront with you guys of where I'll be coming from if I get a chance um to do that and with that I will uh turn it back over to the next person thank you any anything you'd like to clarify
thank you all right councilman Braden all right thank you sir councilman Dustin yeah Mayor that's the question I have the 500 extra spaces the parking garage is is part of the parking that's required for the development to go
forward while while it won't be used up until all phases are go through i understand that part nonetheless it is a requirement to go forward so they're not going to give 500 phases to the public it's their parking they need it and uh the other question I had was multimodal
didn't we get rid of multimodals and I understand it was in place when they did their development order but the fact is enough a bunch of the requirements and the benefits go ahead sorry
the the MMTD has not been taken away just yet um we haven't fully adopted the mobility we've adopted the mobility plan we haven't adopted the mobility feed yet and the new LDC has not been um adopted once all those three pieces fall then
the the multimodal transportation district will be no longer and the the the 20% reduction all that will be no longer which is where I was going with my conversation it will eventually and maybe not too long and maybe before they get through with their project be no
more mhm and so the benefits that they had volunteered to do back in whenever the years were they would be projects that can't possibly be done because there won't be any multimotal district so that is a question that will get very fuzzy um and may
well if we don't all work together and try to solve our problems may need a judicial ruling to tell us if you can use that as benefits if you can't even build and there is no more multimodal so another reason that we all need to work
together and try to solve these because that is going to go away and so whatever reduction you got because of that if it goes away in fact you can't do those things because there's no multimotal district so you can do some other things you can you can help us get that tunnel
under and at least to my way of thinking if we share the cost and you don't have to pay half but if we share the cost that's beneficial uhhuh yeah yeah those those are those are your customers trying to get across that highway they
are citizens destined i understand that and they go all up and down the boardwalk and that's I understand too they could even come to my restaurant occasionally so I understand the obligation for all of us to work to a solution but uh it would go a long way for you all to to make a real
substantial effort to help us with those problems because I remember before your development was there there was not a bit of problem with that intersection not one we drove right through it every day and never slowed down it was that should be pretty back in 1973 yep i was born in
'94 i said that for your B when you were there yeah all right council Schmidt yeah can you Mr destin says some good things sometimes can you He You're not giving us 500 spaces can you clarify what I didn't understand or
either Can you clarify you have to build a garage you said you were going to give us 500 spaces do you disagree with what he was saying or the parking garage is going to replace the surface parking that's going to be
gone which was needed and it's going to provide parking for the development that we are doing as part of phase two okay right now i mean you have 2522 units is what were 51 units were
approved to 375 parking spaces now we're saying maybe it's only going to be 245 so it's going to drop a little bit but the parking garage has to accommodate that there is the 60 uh condo units or 90 condo units whatever somewhere in
between that the 90 is what the city approved they require 180 parking spaces basically two spaces per unit so you got 120 to 180 those have to be built into the parking garage the surface parking spaces that are going away have to be
put into the garage and there is a component for approximately 500 extra right for the public so that's how it breaks down i know he was giving a summary version so I'm just trying to And then you just mentioned a minute ago
phase one is not completely built out what what are we missing there's there's several thousand square foot of of commercial that hasn't been built out but frankly I don't see that it going anywhere unless it gets transferred over to the other side because there's no place to build it that that five and
five acres 5.7 acres to develop so you can't build it right now not there no not there we would have to we'd have to seek an amendment that we'd have to transfer We have the right to transfer density from the first phase to the second phase i mean it's throughout
every one of the dos okay matter of fact this second concept we had 25,000 ft we want to do 57,000 ft we're transferring it over from the first phase is still within that building it's still got to provide parking for all that got it thank you i hope that answers your
question i was wondering where you're going to build additional stuff yeah not going to be on not not on the left not on the west side all right councilman Dustin we can clarify are you telling me tonight that there will be 500 spaces either in your parking garage or on your surface that will be dedicated to the
public and will not be associated with the development of your property i'm telling you that it is I have been told the final design is going to be approximately 500 i will be able to tell you in 30 days a whole lot better answer because we've got some design architects
that are working on that right now i just can't answer i'm just telling you approximately 500 okay so you are saying there's going to be some parking in that in that garage for the public and that will not be associated with the development of your property at all
correct and we'll arrive at a number later correct after we figure out probably it'll be probably charge parking like everywhere else in Dustin and we will figure that out when we come to a conclusion about how much parking you actually need because we I didn't hear us talking about the
20025,000 square feet of retail exactly what that was going to be anyway so that's what I'm saying is it's it's still very fuzzy about what will be available but you're saying something will be available yeah but remember when I told Oh never mind i hear what you're saying yeah yeah right okay that and that's that that has to be identified by
to staff as to every use and what the parking requirements are and we have to build them yep yep okay all right well I think you've done it the board's clear i don't know what he's paying you but hopefully it's worthless all right thank you very much yes sir
appreciate it so the one thing um on this it seems like and I'm not looking for a motion by any means but it seems like what I did take note on that we all kind of already agree on trying to leave it with a positive here is the right-hand turn lane in that seems like something we're all very much interested
in because I know that'll take FOD and everyone discussing it's already a requirement of the deal okay so that's already rolling through okay all right well that's all I have so we'll we'll get on with the actual uh council meeting now what a presentation
that was all right public comments did anyone last from public comments all right seeing none I'm about to close public comments all right we'll close public comments and move on to the consent agenda do I hear a motion i make a motion to approve the second motion and
a second any discussions seeing none I'll call the vote for the consent agenda A3D all right not yours Jim all right oh snap
oh man all right new software it is new new software i think we just need to reset the power yeah [Music] hey listen all right uh we're going to start down here yes yep
yes yes yes yes yes yes all right eyes have it 70 there it is on the board if you didn't hear all right moving right along larry Mr jones we we've handled 4 A so we'll move to 4B which is a request for
your consideration and approval of the a minor deviation to a major development order for Morgan Sports Center this encompasses the batting cage the restrooms and the maintenance facility um your approval of this will allow us to move forward immediately with the
procurement for the batting cages uh so we recommend your approval all right uh Councilwoman Abear I'll make the motion to approve the amendment all right i have a motion do I hear a second second councilwoman Traml any discussion
yes sir what's the timeline after we approve this for the next steps we will you've already approved us going out to bid on the batting cages so that'll hit the streets uh probably Wednesday uh we are going to run it through the parks and recck committee tomorrow evening
just as anformational but uh unless there's an issue there which we don't anticipate we will have it on the street uh Wednesday and run concurrently to that is look at the opportunities to do it in house and maybe save some time and some money and then that goes on the
streets for 30 days potentially potentially yes sir okay thank you all right seeing no further discussion I'll call the vote 4B yep all right there we go 70 motion passes unanimously thank you Mr mayor councilman Jones item
4 D is uh the Destin Fire District Beach Safety Contract for 2025 uh this was uh contemplated and approved during the budget process for $282,175 and this is simply codifying
what was approved during that budget process in the form of a contract with the fire district do I hear a motion i'll make the motion to approve do I hear a second second second do I have any discussion all right seeing none I'll
call the vote for the fire district all right eyes have it 70 so moved boss man next item is 4E uh we were asked at the March 17th city council member meeting meeting to bring back at this meeting a roll up of what's occurred in
the uh enforcement during spring break on pretty much the beach and we've got a couple other things we'll roll up in here with you but uh enforcement activity uh since the implementation and I will tell you we do have a dedicated beach code officer now and he is u
officer Wilson doing a great job getting out there and interacting with the public and the ice cream and other vendors uh but since we've had that in place we've had one warning for a commercial event on the beach which I believe was a wedding that we resolved
uh very quickly uh uh with the property we've had six warnings for soliciting or vending we believe that we have warned or cited each uh ice cream vendor uh specifically um so
any more uh violations will be citations we have issued two citations for vending we've investigated four um reports but we were not in a position to issue a citation because officers did
not observe any of the activities uh but we've we've also had three warnings for beach chairs and peing foot traffic uh three ver verbal warnings for animals on the beach um our officers have interacted with the public uh considerably on information u you know
holes uh glass and uh general bending regulations uh we've had great cooperation and coordination with the sheriff's office uh they have been there when we needed them and they've certainly given us heads up and opportunities to deal with those that may be violating our codes and I will
say that um back to Officer Wilson just a moment to give him a shout out he's been cussed at he's been threatened he's been insulted and he goes back out there every day to get some more of it so we do appreciate his efforts going forward
there um so as of this weekend we were able to site uh a a boat operator for using our transit slips for their commercial purposes uh we've gotten sufficient
evidence to take them to the um code of um magistrate in short order uh we did um trespass one um ice cream vendor from um June White Decker Park um
for violation there and we the sheriff's office issued a one-year trespass warning against that individual um so we're still seeing a lot of the activity out there but uh they are smart enough now to move offshore and stay out of our jurisdiction but we are move working
with the uh county to look at maybe some more efficient ways of enforcing our ordinances and some that they work cooperatively with the county on uh we've also working with the sheriff's office hey Larry real quick the the the
vendor for the ice cream clarify for the public what that means that they've been issued a trespassing they they were is is any other trespass warning that they are procluded from coming back on that property for one year or they can be arrested for trespassing is that correct
Captain yeah I believe it's any uh public park any public park I believe so i could be wrong with that but my understanding is it is for any public park and I noticed you leaned forward sheriff like "Yep we're ready to go rest." Yeah that's that's correct thank you thanks Larry yes ma'am and
thank you um so again we are working with the sheriff's office on how we can more efficiently enforce our beach codes as well as some other codes around the city so we appreciate the dialogue we're having with them and we will continue
that got a question yes sir hold up sure thank you for the recap that was asked uh all the things that were highlighted here seem to be all geared around vending and soliciting on the
beach like why did we go out why did we go out and like task force that what was the reason to go why did go hunt for all the solicitors and the vendors out there well I think it was pretty clear from council back during this meeting that
that was an objective that we wanted to put some effort into because of illegal ice cream or what was the specific reason well vending and ice cream being one of those correct probably the biggest violator from what I understand so we had we had somebody complaining
about illegal ice cream being sold and then we sent a task force out to go make sure we're shutting down illegal vending and soliciting is that kind of Well when you say task force we have an officer that's been We designated an officer specifically to the beach correct to
deal with this yes sir okay because of the complaints of the illegal ice cream selling probably that was certainly a large part of it and then there was some threat of litigation that we felt we should respond to and I
think we're hoping we were following guidance from council as well so if we ever had uh vending allowed on the beach you know somebody want to go sell straw hats and things like that then we wouldn't even be having these type of
people getting cussed at and threatened and things like that that would probably be correct yeah okay just curious thanks all right you're good i'm good all right uh Councilman Bagby hey could y'all give me the parking violation role you don't have to do it right now but sometime the spring break
parking violation roll up because one of the things I noticed on the vending uh focus 16 investigations warnings whatever two actual fines okay um I understand you have to find them the first time you have to
give them the warning the first time but hopefully the numbers uh won't sustain that ratio during the summer but I'd like to know about the parking in the rightway or illegal parking uh that they did during the summer thanks i can give
you that number Mr bagby from uh January 1 through to date there have been 142 citations by code reading written for parking violations and 202 uh warnings in the parking lots through
the passport system all right Council G um yeah steve how how many technicians do you have on that enforcement side right now we have just one code officer that's been assigned to the special beach duty
how many total employees do you have in that department right now um right now I have five we're going to be dropped down to four come Friday five down to four do you remember how many you had this time last year um not specifically but it was definitely around eight so we had eight
and we're going to be at half capacity going into summer correct okay and we're focusing on things like beach vending with half the capacity i just want to be sure that I understand what our focus is that that
we're trying to focus on here so so going back to what was it november I believe um we asked council um you know I came with a 20 slide deck presentation and Councilman Bagby was like "Nope
let's cut this real short." Um trash parking and signage trash so we went forward with trash parking and signage um and hopefully those numbers um since um February um or January have have shown you all that that it can be
done um and we were down um uh down numbers from you know in January from last year as well so the enforcement can be done um it's just the prioritization and and and getting that done
um and then um what was noise was added to that a couple months later um and then now beach um beach duty or beach solit uh solicitation beach vending okay so so
those sixish priorities um um or five priorities you know are are really what we're we're trying to hammer we're not ignoring the other blatant violations that that the officers are seeing when they're out but
but based on those priorities yes now some some of these priorities eb and flow right parking is going to increase during the summer why well because our population almost triples quadruples during the summer during the season
right um beach solicitation you know they're going to be out there when the people are out there um signage is going to increase probably a little bit over the summer um but not not a ton um signage is generally more of a an issue around
special events um trash is just kind of a continual thing but I think we've done a really good job with awareness and education on that that that's that's beginning to be less and less of an issue um so I think we're getting there um and coordination with uh with the
sheriff's office on noise as well um I think that's that's we're getting into a groove where that's becoming less and less of a thing i'm not trying to criticize where you No I know i just let you know where where I'm just trying to understand some things right now you have four personnel we're focusing on
trash parking signage noise beach and I believe uh Councilman Stevens was was really focused on harbor and we wanted some harbor and I think I brought that up last time it'd be good to have harbor so we have all these things that we're
trying to ask you guys to take care of but we've got four enforcement yep enforcement officers and I think I I updated you all a couple weeks ago um as well about uh breaking the city city up into sectors so that that puts a code
officer in in a sector um and so that's that's been working out really well because I think it it it keeps the officer in one one geographical area and easy to respond to certain things and you got short-term rentals as well correct um we we do have we Okay yes
sorry so I have five i have six now um we'll have five by Friday yes one of the code officers is um he strictly does um SDR registrations and liver registrations and those types of things so um he's he's a non-roving officer so
Okay so we got five and you got a full plate correct so in your opinion what's your biggest your biggest headache right now my biggest headache yeah largest amount of complaints largest amount of manpower required
i I just Yeah whatever the council is most disturbed by yeah honestly I think you know after we got the initial three and we started we started kind of figuring it out um I think those those main three have really
kind of dropped off like I said trash really is just an education piece we're going to be adding um you know as was requested I think back in November as well adding long-term rentals to that um trash um requirement as well um so that's going to be that's probably going
to be pick up a little bit um but again education um so I think those initial three we've really kind of gotten around to dropping those issues off a little bit and so we're able to more focus on on the more critical um okay so those
three aren't critical but what I'm asking you is what do you think is your most critical what do you think is your biggest time consuming duty that was assigned by council honestly they're all they're all they're all the same really it's just it's planning it right you give us a you give
us a a priority right and then it's just how do we attack it and once we get that plan in place and and and initiate the plan and then looking at the process how can we make those efficiencies so once we get it down um it really it's just the
planning so I'd say any initial there there isn't one of those five that is more time consuming now so noise takes up just as much time as beach which takes up just as much time as STRs i wouldn't I wouldn't say they're equally take up as much time that's what I'm trying to find out what's your biggest
burden um I don't know how else to ask it yeah I I'd have to take a look um I mean if if we're if we're talking just sheer hours the fact that that Officer Riley's out on uh or Riley Officer Wilson's out on the beach for five six
hours a day um for 5 days a week you know um that's probably what's the most um time consuming okay so the beach is probably the most time consuming you're you're down to half the the personnel you had you still have the same eight budgeted you just haven't filled them or
Correct okay so it's just trying to find people at this point but it just brings me to a question that I believe it was either last council meeting or council meeting before uh Councilman Schmidt brought up possibly allowing beach vending and if
that were if that were reevaluated by this council that might reduce a big portion of your That's certainly one way to look at it if if in order to drop it off completely we wouldn't regulate it right we would just allow it and it would just
be a thing right um but if we do want to regulate it that's now going to add to time for someone to sit and take in those applications for vending reg uh you know beach um what solicitate soliciting on
the beach type permit right so so you're saying it's going to be half dozen it it six in one basket half dozen in another something i wouldn't say it'd be a one for one but it would it would certainly wouldn't just drop the headache i'm just trying to figure out a way to help support you and your department Steve at
the end of the day it's manpower if I if I can just if I can just get the slots filled we're good well he's got them budgeted but evidently they're not applying or they're not qualified so that's why I'm trying to figure out what we can do to help you in the meantime we
have we have several applicants that we are interviewing or that we've received applications for these positions it's um now it's on us to to get to the interview part so we do have what's that no that was just bad so So I will I will tell you that we've had um a couple
interviews so with the restructuring of code right put under community development the director was made a manager community development director or deputy deputy director of community development is now over code okay um
took that manager position and made it um an operations supervisor coordinator right so this person's going to be basically the day-to-day individual that's going to take care of scheduling going to take care of um you know assigning sectors
and all that sort of stuff as well as ensuring that all the officers are getting the appropriate training okay on top of that or below that um we took the what was the former deputy director of code code compliance and
turned that into a senior code officer okay so and there's certain criteria to meet that um and so that's that's another open position and then we have we have the the four soon to be five open code compliance officer positions
that we need to fill as well we've interviewed for that ops supervisor training coordinator position couple really good candidates so we're working through that um hopefully going to look internally for the senior officer but if not you know if there's a really good candidate out there we'll we'll take for
that we'll we'll look outside for that one um and then that that point is just fill in the code officer positions okay so there's nothing we can do to support you to help you perform this function easier honestly the biggest complaint and this is I mean this this is not unique to
Dustin it's pay right that's that's the biggest the biggest complaint and probably one of the places where where it's hard right um but it's not that's not a problem unique to Dustin so um it's just it's ensuring
that that the people because right now one of the officers that works works in the the code he has an hour and 20 plus minute drive on a good day there's traffic you know that can be pushed to two and he's making you know base salary
of the code officer so okay so you have eight you've got four filled if you took one of those off and maintain the same budget could you disperse those funds is it fair to disperse those funds around the remaining seven increase pay rates or is that not an option anything's an
option but it's probably not the best option so I mean we would probably want to look more holistically at you know our pay schedule and you know what the competitive rates are so it's make some decision we just need to evaluate increasing pay up on this level to get
higher quality personnel all right that's the basically what I needed to know i appreciate your time and I like your haircut Steve thanks sir appreciate it councilwoman Traml yeah I didn't even recognize you Steve when you walked in a lot of people are saying that your annual haircut looks
good thank you i I was just going to answer Mr guile's question um when you look into the salaries here we're m we are lower than any other municipality in Okaloosa County but yet we have the biggest issues down here
especially during the summer so it's not appropriate to look at it now but I think we definitely need to be looking at increasing the salaries for those code people you know to do what they do for 22,000 a year is just ridiculous to
me i just think that's crazy but I wouldn't do it i don't think any of us would do it so I think we need to seriously look at that situation when we're asking what they do and how they do it and they do it professionally and then we're paying them a little more
than minimum wage it seems like thank you that's all I have councilman Bagley yeah I was just going to say you might look at the statute changed last year on the enforcement of the trash i know for HOAs and COAs it may have done so for municipalities also you know where the
the rules of you have to have it off the street you have to have it off the street within 24 hours of the pickup now as opposed to most places have it you know at the 6:00 p.m the day of trash pickup and you can't put it out until 6
p.m the day before that's actually not the state statute anymore so you might but it is an education thing to your point i would uh look at that that might help you with the trash it might totally remove the trash from from the list of priorities but you're doing a great job
and while while I've got you and the sheriff uh thank y'all for the spring break that you did hopefully you will come give us a ramp up of all the misgreants you put in prison or you know at least gave a notice to appear
whatever but you guys did a great job i know our numbers were down uh because I can tell by my neighborhood and the house next to me wasn't even rented hardly half the time so but y'all did a great job even with those numbers thank Thank you what' you do with all that
beer and uh liquor in the back of that truck that was overloaded i saw that over at Crystal Beach documented and poured out they had a fundraiser i heard that that hurts some that hurts them more than the arrest most of the time all right that was just an update i have
seen no motions on the floor so we will move on boss man Larry item 4F is regard to your request for us to reach out to the management at Henderson Beach State Park regarding dogs on the beach we did that and we were informed that the only
dogs allowed on the beach are those identified as service animals uh plain and simple no camper privilege or local privilege nor an appetite for a local privilege because agencywide they do not
allow dogs in state park beaches and so that's the information we're bringing back to you for your woman quick question we had also kicked around just so that you know those are the the folks that live in this Okaloosa County having a 6 am to 8 am just every day those two
hours allow people with their dogs on you know on the beach so that they can at least have some time most people are up early walking a dog if they've got one that early anyway just maybe seeing if that would work i don't know if everybody here on the council has anybody that you know has asked them about a beach opportunity or what
anyone's thoughts are on just a two hours in the morning from 6:00 to 8 to allow dogs on the beach uh Cal reply to that yeah she's okay i assume that was that answer yeah um we just talked about the burden on
code enforcement and I think that's going to add another burden if we do that two hours because now they've got to kind of scan that but I'm not a big fan of dogs on the beach anyway because of unmanned landmines you know somebody's not gonna take care of what they need to
take care of and it creates an issue for the general public all right that's all I had on there anything else good to go okay all right safe streets for Destin 4G um this is regarding a
proposal that we um sought from Kimley Horn um earlier this week or late last week excuse me i couldn't get my days right uh we met with Scott Berman who is now the interim public works director for the county u and we had a great
conversation regarding some certax dollars uh available for the Stallman intersection uh at a total of $3 million or perhaps more if the need be uh to leverage uh for a
potential underpass if you recall at the last meeting we had a representative from Kimley Horn that talked about the uh safe streets for all grant uh from the federal department of transportation that were was available and they had done some work with the
Emerald Coast Planning Council um regarding the potential of using those grants uh well in our conversation subsequent to our meeting with the county uh Mr bitterman U Kimley Horn representative indicated that this the
undergrounding or an underpass at the stallment intersection would be an ideal candidate for these um a SS4A grant u so we asked them to put us a proposal together uh which they did and they they
are Kimley Horn is one of our consulting engineers so they're already under contract as one of our continuing service providers they have good experience with uh applying for and securing funding through these grants in fact uh Lindsay the uh young lady that
was here at the last meeting had captured over $30 million for her clients just last year um so we have before you for your consideration an engagement for Kimley Horn for $38,000
to go through the process of of applying for the SS44A grant in this grant cycle it's kind of timely because the deadline for application is June the 26th and if we're going to use the uh funds that the
county has um in the in the pot for that solvent intersection it's going to have to go through a couple of county meetings so we need to engage Kimley Horn in fairly short order if it be your appetite to move this forward so um based on that we if we want to go in
this direction we would absolutely recommend a motion to approve us to engage Kimly Horn in that process mayor I will make the recommended motion i do have it i'll move the council approve the proposal for Kimberly Horn to prepare
and submit a SS4A application for the pedestrian underpass near Stallman intersection and the reason we had to put it on is it is a a time crunch and I will uh include in the motion to direct
the finance director to come back and find a source of the income boards unless city manager already has we already have that it's it's identified in our uh I'll keep it clean then i'll just make the recommended motion i have a motion for the recommended motion do I hear a second i second all right council
Traml second and then I have Councilman Bagby for discussion no I'm good nope all right council Don anything further for discussion all right seeing none I'll call the vote 70 so moved
all right next item is 4 H is uh you asked us at the previous meeting to recommend a couple of dates for the SRS master plan workshop uh we've identified a couple of dates however the May 12th date may not be ideal i believe at least
one council member may not be here on that day and um the counselor has identified that as the day after Mother's Day so that may not be the best day but we had identified May 12th and June 9th as
potential dates those are Monday's off council dates um but if you would like one of those great if you would like a different one that'd be fine too can I recommend June 9th all right any any kind of just open discussion on that are we not forth
june 9th they're both good okay make it June 9th it looks like everyone can make that one okay all right item i'll just add if you don't mind Mr jones can we uh make sure we're publicizing that very well yes sir in addition to
what we already do I just you know be nice to have some participation here item four I is at the last meeting you approved our the uh amendment to the purchasing resolution 2210 with two
contingencies one is that we add some language regarding the ability to appeal a suspension or revocation of vending rights uh we've added that language and it submitted it to you in your package and there was a a typo that required a a
correction from a $5 threshold to a $5,000 threshold so those corrections have been made and submitted back to you all right 4j is uh you ask us to look in to contact DOT regarding the airport
road uh lane delineators uh at the intersection uh there with airport road 98 uh we did reach out to DOT and got a reply back from them that they would be in town on the 8th of May and they would have conversation with us about what our
desires would be for that intersection uh and look at what options are available and give us back a report on that and they also indicated that while they were in town they would be reviewing the intersection up at Lowe's and Whole Foods so we'll get that moving as well
item 4K are draft minutes from the standing committees and boards for information uh couple of announcements um it was discussed at a previous meeting with the uh potential of installing boat li boat cameras at the
boat slips at Captain Royal Melon Park um Andy and his staff has worked through that process we've got the hardware identified we're going to have to work on some um getting electrical there to service them and make sure we have the appropriate internet connections uh but
we think that'll be a less than $10,000 ask all in uh so that's certainly within the uh city manager spending authority and we'll work to identify those funds uh through our code budget uh if there's any uh transfer of funds or needing
action from the council we'll bring it back to you but we think we can move that forward uh and get that done um want to bring you up to date on Live Oak Fiber um we had a we've had a nightmare with these folks over the last month two
months three months probably um and came to a real head on Thursday afternoon when they uh had a blowout on Airport Road that shut down the um eastbound lanes for over 24 hours at a
substantial cost to Destin water users and city all parties involved and so in an effort to bring this in for a landing we revoked all of Live Oak's permits so right now they are not permitted to work
anywhere in the city and we intend to hold those permits until Destin Water users and the city and all other parties are made whole for the damage that was done on Airport Road and it was significant um I mean it was and I mean Mr logwood could tell you they spent a
lot of time and effort money to get that thing back up and running um and so when all that's taken care of we will issue them additional permits but we're going to issue them one at a time to date they've had a number of permits around town and when we'd have an issue
we'd issue a stop work order but they'd go to another street and go to work so they didn't care whether they had a stop work order or not this way they will have one permit that they're they can work under and when that permit's closed out we'll be glad to issue them a new one so we hope that uh does some good
and keeps the process moving and keeps it done in a in a manner that is manageable and costive for the city and Destin water users and the other other uh utilities awesome thank you for that councilman Dustin this question city manager I seem to
recall that the city's rightway protection act gives us the authority to require a bond from anyone working in the rightway are we doing that with them i don't believe so but that conversation has been had and if that is an option we will certainly take advantage of it yeah unless they've changed the ordinance
since we wrote it it's there so okay we'll absolutely take a look at that because we actually had that conversation earlier today uh that that would be good to have so we will check into that thank you all right one more councilwoman Traml I Yes i just wondered if uh we were planning on including the
suggestion that was made earlier in a another meeting about uh not having them uh bore and do that on Fridays all the other municipalities have have suspended them from Fridays and that way if something happens then the people that
are fixing it don't have to spend their weekends doing that at this point we're certainly have that ability um and I would hope they're willing to abide by the rules whatever they are now that they're shut down um and we hope it's costing them a lot of money to be shut
down quite frankly but we can certainly institute that in our policies i I would suggest that okay and just to kind of get a scope on what's left are they 70% through the city do we I mean based on the permits that we've now revoked I mean I don't have that number but we can
certainly work on it yeah and have it for you all right thank you all right that's it on our end you got anything else yep i just want to add it was my understanding we have 15 underground companies in this town right now it's not just one oh yeah yeah no so we're
looking at any possibility at this point oh for sure yeah as far as your point to the Friday of course then you have the public hearings um Ray Ray we need Sorry Dr t has announcements to make i hope we at remembering her
thank you council and mayor friday April 25th is Arbor Day we'll be holding a ceremony at Kelair Nature Walk at 10:00 a.m with a tree planting founders Day is Saturday May 3rd from 11:00 a.m to 1:00 p.m at the community center and those
invitations have been sent out by the parks and Rex folk there'll be a Memorial Day ceremony presented by the American Legion on Monday May 26th at 11:00 a.m at the Destin Memorial Cemetery and I should also note that city offices will be
closed that day we've done ebike infographics and some flyers that's been a hot topic at several council meetings as well as around town we've done the flyers in English and Spanish and we do have those up on our website we're working on a
version in Portuguese and over the next couple weeks we'll be getting those out to the 15 largest employers in the city so places like Walmart Super Center Big Kahunas Target The Home Depot and other folks will get all the different um English Spanish and Portuguese flyer
versions out to them so that they're able to distribute those to their employees thank you all right thank you for the update Ray do we need a break no you're good all right we'll keep on trucking these are second readings it should be All right Miss Cop take it
away thank you mayor and if it's okay with the city council I will read the two ordinances together 251 LC and 252C because they're connected so ordinance number 251LC an ordinance of the city of
Dustin Florida amending article 20 building regulations of the land development code relating to contractor insurance and contractor revocations removing section 20800 contractors from the land development code providing for a business impact estimate as required by
state law providing for findings of fact providing for incorporation into the land development code providing for conflicting provisions providing for severability and providing for an effective ive date ordinance number 252C an ordinance of the city of Dustin
Florida amending chapter 13 of the code of ordinances licenses permits and miscellaneous to address contractor insurance and contractor revocations providing for findings of fact providing for incorporation into the city code of ordinances providing for a business impact estimate providing for
conflicting provisions providing for severability and providing for an effective date this is second reading of both ordinances um and as you know it's taking these provisions related to building contractors out of the land development code and putting them into
the code of ordinances that's why I read them together all right thank you for that at this time this is a public hearing so if anyone wishes to speak on these two topics this is your time to do so for public comments seeing none I will close the public comments of both public hearings
and I have a motion to be read by Councilwoman Treml thank you Mayor i move that the city council adopt ordinance 25- And of course my screen goes off-1-LC and 25-2- CCC awesome all right on second reading
all right second i got a motion and a second uh you have any further discussion all right you're just calling it all right seeing no further discussion I'll call the vote for both A and B public hearings all right I just have it so moved 7
thank you mayor this is ordinance number 259 LC an ordinance of the city of Dest Florida amending section 716000 alcoholic beverage dispensing of the land development code creating an exception to the separation requirement from churches for certain taxexempt
organizations that specifically benefit veterans of the United States armed forces providing for authority providing for findings of fact providing for incorporation into the land development code providing for conflicting provisions providing for severability and providing for an effective date this is second reading and in between first
and second reading this did go to the LPA who did recommend approval of the ordinance and I know you're going to open it to the public hearing but I do believe there are speakers um that came to me before the meeting and informed me that they had a letter from a church okay
um Dan Dempsey i live over on uh Indian Trail i've been there for a few years um I'm also the canteen manager at Ambitz g give me the full address just because of the public record yep 3857 Indian Trail unit 215 Destin Florida 32541 i
appreciate that all right what was yours um two quick things I wanted to read um first our mission statement people aren't familiar with is to enhance um and safeguard the entitlements of all American veterans who have served honorably and improve the quality of life for them their families and the
communities with the communities we've donated to over 18 different places in Destin including schools churches um football softball um then I the reason we're really here the variance um the church is 471 ft
away from our business that's measured from our front door to their property line so we're 29 short of the 500 requirement um in the first reading a couple members mentioned that they thought it would be uh maybe in our best interest to uh contact the church so we
did and uh their their reply is thanks for reaching out i forwarded your email to our board of directors we are all in agreement with ambates moving into the neighborhood we see no problem with having your post near the church please stop by when you're in the area i would
love to meet you face to face please let me know if there's anything more we can do to help you with your relocation to Aelia Drive looking forward to meeting you all sandy Beck uh she is executive director of Shoreline Church thank you
so much for that appreciate that that's amazing all right with that I'll open up to the public for this public hearing if anyone wishes to speak on this topic this is your time to do so looks like we got everyone in the affirmative in the audience i will close the public comments and I have Councilman Braden
thank you mayor i'll make that motion to adopt ordinance 25-09-LC on second reading thank you sir i have a second councilwoman Ab all right with that do I have any further discussion on this seeing none I'll call the vote for 259
LC all right eyes have it so move congratulations thank you guys for your service and welcome to Aelia Drive time for the brick and mortar have a drink see you all right with that we're going to move
straight on to council uh Councilman Braden hey thanks Mayor um yeah the only thing I've got was uh a couple things um reached out to city manager to see what we've collected from our delivery vessels uh in the last 5 years and that come out to
$217,000 um I just like to know where that that money's went i know they some of the guys down there were saying that that money was supposed to go to a code enforcement officer to try to regulate the guys that they're operating illegally but um where does that where does that money go does it go into a
general fund or Yes I I can answer that for you uh you're you're correct um the delivery vessel permit money 10% goes into our technology fund so that we have the technology to uh to process permits and the remainder just goes straight into
the general fund and it helps us offset the cost of having a code department okay thank you um and when uh Councilman Schmidt brought it up last meeting about these road operators it seemed like from the staff
and the council it was like well I don't know if we can do anything it's too hard you know we got to prove this uh I don't know you know what we can do if anything
but it's like when Emma Grand years ago when they was blocking traffic and you know in their turn lane it was like by God we got to do something i don't care what it is you know and we wound up making changing ordinance or something and they couldn't collect money on the inbound they had to collect it on the
outbound to get the traffic off but these guys been bitching about these rogue operators at the at the boat ramps and at our city parks and transit slips and it's well I don't know you know we we we might be
able to do something i mean I just don't get it it's you know and if they're paying this kind of money and I know we promised them you know we yeah we're going to raise your rate but we're going to put a code enforcement officer and find out about it um I was called a few years ago to Joe's Bayou Boat ramp there
was a operator down there operating out of it illegally i left Niceville i was at the library at that board I was on i left Niceville i got the call drove from Niceville all the way to Joe's Bayou to the boat ramp and there they were had
all their kayaks all laying out there all rods and reels and whatnot ready to go no code enforcement officer nowhere to be seen called the city manager again hey where the hell's he at oh he was in a meeting um you know we'll send him down
there in a minute so I'm standing there and all of a sudden the lady walks away from the group and I I'm walking from the water to the truck and I'm like "Excuse me ma'am i'm going to sit there y'all y'all rent these kayaks or anything?" "Oh yeah yeah that's a guide right there we're renting them." Okay
thank you it's all it took it's not that difficult um so it's just frustrating that we've been dealing with this and we all know we've been dealing with it for years and then instead of saying and I and I appreciate the cameras that's what we should have said was hell yeah you
know we're going to put cameras there on the the park we're going to put them down at Joe's Bayou i don't care what it takes how many cameras you got to put there we're going to catch them you know we we going to be able to see who it is the number on the boat you know we'll handle it don't worry about it instead
of eh I don't know it's kind of tough you know we got to see who the guy is got to see the numbers you know we don't know who his party is you know that's the answer the public got so thank you for getting the cameras
and you know trying trying to get this done and I and I know the you know we were people were raising hell about the same thing about the the ice cream and the or the vendors whoever it is on the beach um I've had several um tourists complaining I've asked um I go down there that's like I told the city
manager not long ago i was at the um June Decker boardwalk just walked down there hanging out seeing what was going on um had a little dog with me and the guy that was cleaning the bathrooms told me "Hey you know just FYI don't go on the beach cuz with that dog is a $500
fine." Um and I asked people you know about the ice cream or vengeance or whatever and they don't like it they don't like being hassled or whatever on the beach it's um we we had to get sued over it and it's costing us money now the city's got to pay or the insurance company's
got to pay before we actually told a code enforcement officer get down there and do something watch them you know I tried to get them years ago to go down Joe's by you get a code enforcement officer go down there and sit spend a couple days it ain't hard so
Mr braden thank you so much yes sir do you mind no not at all i've heard you before speak on the harbor master and about the money for the the delivery vessel medallions and where is it going uh I think we've talked about this on
council for a number of years so as I'm sitting here and listening to Mr guile's questions earlier and and and um Miss Traml said something about $20,000 salary $22,000 salary
i' I've always heard that oh we can't do the harbor master because I don't have the harbor blah blah blah blah blah blah but we can have an employee of the city of Destin go down there and do other things that aren't harbor master certified
stuff i would think we could find a local or not a local that would love to work the harbor the docks for probably 12 12 months out of the year but for sure nine months out of the year and pay them a code enforcement
salary or more to just live on those docks every day i bet you I would think we would have an you know people wanting to do that um and then we would have one spec specific code officer on the harbor i mean is that something that you know
would be good to pursue you know offering a harbor code officer a higher salary because he's doing different jobs and he's not a harbor master but he's living at the harbor well we we have Joe's the water
yeah we have is and a great example is Joe's Bayou the guys that that run that bayou the boat ramps i mean they sometimes they they almost go to blows down there and there are fights down there and and we pay those guys I don't know what it is but it can't be $22,000 a year it's probably less to go down
there and collect money and it it gets hostile down there so if we can find somebody to do that I know we can find somebody to go the harbor and like I said not long ago couple months ago before I was turned out the council made a motion and it passed seven to zero
that we would put a heart a code guy on the on the boardwalk so the city manager at that time called me in his office I think it was Lance want to know what you know and he said it at the council meeting we get you an office see what you want what you expect
i did i said I would like to see a code officer on that boardwalk that's that's his baby he lives eats and breathes it if I call him up say "How how many pontoon boats does Luthers have?" Don't tell me you got to go check i want to know you know that's that's your baby
and then get you a get the development order for a piece of property see what's supposed to be there and see what's actually there perfect we can do it no problem gotcha mr okconor you want About 30 days later I guess that was the end of that that just went out the window and it was gone
done never and then you you look at emails i mean Councilman G he went down there walked the boardwalk and there's all kind of citations he could have wrote he made a comment at the council meeting and then I I pull a public record or look at the or no we get a report from
the bi-weekly whatever it was report from co- compliance his email walk the boardwalk all is good there ain't no way ain't no way you can walk that boardwalk and not find one code
violation ain't no way do you want to set that as a priority for uh code to go put application out and for code compliance to have the harbor as a priority and pay them more i've tried pay more you tried at it
previous city manager we have a new city manager now all right i get yelled at for not following Robert's rules of order the chair is not recognizing any of you come Steve please speak so um with this uh beach patrol plan that um
you all asked code developed um we we developed the special beach duty um and um along with that it was recognized that the harbor is also a special unique location and so we have made road
basically what we've done is I've identified three special duties in code beach harbor and training so like a field training officer basically right you get a new you get a new officer in and they have to be trained on how to do stuff in the field right and so those three special
duties those three duties would be assigned to seasoned officers seasoned employees okay they wouldn't be assigned to anyone brand new okay and they do come with a a percentage pay bump while you're doing
that duty okay so if you do harbor duty for four hours in a day you get that pay bump for those four hours but if you do co regular code officer sector duty you just get your your regular code sector duty if you do harbor or like with Riley
he gets beach duty for all the hours he's doing beach duty right and that's pretty much the only thing he does now so he's he's getting that pay bump already okay um so it's it's it's been recognized that that is a need it's it's manpower at this point um I I know
exactly who I would assign harbor duty to i know exactly who I would sign training duty to if I could just get bodies in so um what you all are talking about is already taking place um and the
systems and the processes are in place now to be able to hit the ground running as soon as I can get bodies thank you thanks for keeping us on track yes sir sometimes I have sometimes I can try i appreciate it that's all I have i
know no I'm cool about this legally talking about an island 100% the chair will recognize you to speak anything else would you like to speak all right nothing councilman Dustin
I will pass tonight and I mayor thank you sir councilman Bagby thank you Mayor uh underneath my name is my report back to y'all on the short-term rental i did meet with the clerk and his chief that handles the uh short-term rental uh TDT
collection last Monday we had a great conversation uh they sent me back to the city staff with uh several questions i think about seven questions uh the city staff answered those question questions were do we charge a fee basically for
the credit card to use the credit card standard uh business type questions would we be willing to charge a flat fee i told him I didn't think so um just because I didn't see that it was fair if you have a 5,000q ft house that you are
charging you know $800 for that houses 40 versus a two-bedroom condo that houses four that you might be charging whatever we eventually decide $300 a flat fee just didn't didn't seem fair but I would make sure that y'all were
aware that was one of their questions uh would we be willing to do the enforcement and I said yes through the special magistrate uh they will send the letters they will you know send us the notice that they're late you know
that they're more than 30 days late and then they they would turn it over to us uh does our system integrate with theirs no but they can email us a map which would have all the short-term rental condos and single family residents which
the code enforcement officers could take and if they saw a short-term rental that didn't have a dot on the map they could report it back through the system but they are currently tracking uh 1,200 single family residences and 4,800
condos in the city of Desting uh tourist development tax short-term rental tax uh is the building on a fiscal or rolling cycle it's on a fiscal cycle basically it goes out in February it's due by the end of March uh if it's
property sold it doesn't roll over the new owners have to do it and then calculating square footage they want to know because they would be pulling from that field from the property appraisers website whether it was the heated square footage or the total square footage and
right now I think we're using total square footage but we might need to be using heated square footage but that's something we can do they asked me today um for a statement of work so I'll just read to you real quick what I sent to
them i copied Larry because I wasn't totally cognizant i had a little minor procedure and so I got knocked out so uh so when I was writing this it was like I hope No no it was it was actually
medical procedure i'm sorry yeah i'll knock you out no I I uh what what their statement of work would include mail out letters invoices to each of the single family residences and condos in Destin that serve as short-term rentals annually collect the annual fee from
those short-term rentals and remit the funds to the city alert the city when any accounts are over 30 days past due continuously update the list of short-term rentals in the city of Destin share the updated list with the city in either map or spreadsheet format
quarterly uh we will take care of any delinquent enforcement through our magistrate and we will also inform you if we have discovered additional short-term rentals that your crawler or office have not previously discovered like I I believe I mentioned before they
have a program an app that basically crawls through the internet and identifies when you say "Hey rent you know it's got prowords rent destin you know whatever and they find those and
then they enforce it." So I'm looking forward if there's anything else that y'all would like the clerk to do just let Larry know and he can share it with the clerk and Josh uh I hope to have by the next meeting a proposal orou that
says "Hey this is what we would be willing to do it for." I think they would be a lot less because they're not having to create anything new they already have all this information they just they have the square footage they have the condos they have the short-term rental you know that are already paying
the TDT so they're just pulling from a database that already exists they're not trying to create it and have somebody keep it updated every day when it changes they update it already so other than that um again thank the sheriff and
code for safe spring break and I'll answer any questions on the short-term rental question council G thank you um Mr bagby thank you for the effort i do have a question about that so you said they they go through the internet through a crawler system and
look for certain key words um I I've noticed with some of these short-term rentals because I've tried to do very similar things but they do not give an address until you actually rent do they have a means of overcoming that through their system i believe they do but I will ask that specific question
yeah I'll ask the question and copy Larry on the request but they u and Walton County does the same thing they have a person who's dedicated just to enforcement finding people well actually I think they have two in the Okloosa
County office that all they do is look for places that are renting in Oka County and receiving short-term rental income all right and that's everything I got on the board anything else no good deal
counciloman Aber thanks Mayor um two things directed to Lisa and her team last week I was uh privileged to go to the uh Morgan Sports Field and watch the Dest High School baseball players be
thrilled to death to have access to that field and all the people that donated their time can you explain just a little bit so it's on the record Lisa there were like contractors and developers that like built it built out the field
go into that just a minute please sure um so we have the um agreement with the high school what we needed to make that softball field a baseball field so
they did um they had a a contractor um a lot of donated time um they did pay for the um poles and the safety netting all around the field that's great um
they brought in a um we had to put the um infield we had to t uh grass it not turf grass and so it's all um legal high school and we had our parks guys they
spent a lot of time making that cuz now they're they're keeping it up so um it it was a um full partnership with a lot of different people well it was great to see everybody come out and support the opening of it uh the other question I
did get back from somebody that had made the suggestion can we change the field from dolphin to destin sharks since it's D field and I just throwing that out to you you can go through whatever you need to go through see if it would work or
not but anyway and then the other thing I wanted to commend you on I wasn't here for it this is the first year I've missed the Easter egg hunt in several years but I got so many calls from people saying what a great job your team did on all the fields for every age that
went out there for the Easter egg hunt all the prizes and everything you had the Easter Bunny out there bunnies for people to hold just lots of candy and lots of fun and I know it's a ton of work for all of your parks folks so I just want to commend you and your team for another great Easter egg hunt
weekend so thank you well thank you they work very hard they do a great job but it's our privilege councilwoman Traml anything that was that for I I just wanted to give her kudos too for the pooch palooa um our our little our
little committee uh made over $1,000 nice at their first effort so now they have goals to go for more and uh it's all been deposited in the parks foundation just and they're waiting for them oh there we go good deal uh council
g since everybody's giving Lisa kudos i'm just going to give everybody over there kudos crystal maybe not Steve no Steve i think staff does a great job thank you all very much thank you all right Council Schmidt thank you Mr mayor
that means it's my turn yes sir the chair has recognized you to speak okay um I'm giving him the floor steve you mentioned about uh the people get different pay pay scales based on their duties which very very neat so does that
mean that our uh payroll time sheet system is allowing us to track what people are doing in throughout the city then because they're getting paid different rates that do you know i I just know when speaking with Jamie that
we had already built in the training duties um because previously um what would happen is if you were identified as a training officer you would just get $250 a year right um that's that's just what
you got for the extra duty of training right um obviously training a brand new individual is $250 doesn't really cut it honestly um because it's a lot more time than just $250 um
so my understanding is that you there's a special duty that you can enter into the system and then when you go in and do your time you just say yes I was working from this time to this time okay doing these duties and it it it does
track that crystal is that the like the time sheet payroll system is that what we're talking about they're able to track their time and pay and all that stuff like that um yeah I don't have all the details because I've been deep in a different uh software implementation these past few months but yes I know
that um what I do know is that Jamie set up a pay differential so that uh people who work uh nights weekends or do special duties as she's got that set up now in the system gotcha and that also is similar to allowing all the employees
to enter their time doing different duties uh that's not uh Andy might be able to give you an update but I haven't been I I've been involved i can tell you we are Andy has parks and recck set up and we
are entering our time based on where you're at or something i'm sorry based on like what you're doing or something what properties we're at does that sound right Andy they're all They're all using your name are they're all correct cool that's great to hear uh Steve I you know
thank you um for continuing to work on code stuff you know and I mean I don't think there's complaints that people that were asking questions myself I I don't believe that it was that i don't think you took it that way not at all
but I I am happy of what you are doing with the code officers and I I'm hopeful that you will continue to do that and and um because I
see good things coming with the efficiencies and all these the approach that you I believe you maybe others are taking with them and it's great And I think that's going to help a lot yes
money i think we need to revisit that if $22,000 is a salary that we're paying certain people I definitely would like to revisit that um but just the in-house things that you're doing to make it better it's noticeable and I think it's only going
to continue to get better so thank you i really appreciate it absolutely um do we have any update on the parking lot company RFQ RFB that's going to possibly give us a quote to provide
camera detection on our parking lots is there a bid out is it a request out for bid so I've prepared that RFP uh submitted it to staff to review i have to change the formatting to our approved
formatting it can be ready to go out probably in the next two or three weeks i'll be unavailable next week but I'll work on it as soon as I get back finish it's already finished i just need it to put it in the right format okay i appreciate it jeff Jeff keeps changing the format Councelor Smith so I can't
keep up uh and then one last thing for Larry and Kim if y'all are okay with it i I was reached out um about an empty parcel in Indian Trail uh an owner that's in interested in potentially selling it uh for a future park or
access and things like that and I was going to see if we could task them give them the contact details to contact that gentleman and talk about it with them and to bring it back no ma'am um are we okay if I allow them to reach
out or do we need to make a motion is it water connected or are you talking internal it's on the It's on the south side of Indian Trail it It potentially connects to that bayou in the very back it's the one that goes from Indian Trail all the way to the North Indian Trail by
you oh is that the long narrow strip the long Yeah the lead parcel that's correct yeah okay so Oh yeah that years ago yeah i think they're interested to have a discussion so I was going to task them with doing that if that's okay sure yeah so I can get y'all those details and
y'all can bring us back some whatever that looks like cool sounds good all right that's it mr mayor Councilman Bagby yeah uh city manager can you have Jamie email us the uh pay portion for
the code folks i I think we have a very bad number it's more than 22 it's more than 22 because I don't think I think our lowest paid person makes 15 in the city and that is over
$30,000 for a full-time employee so I I think it was just a number the the starting pay for a code officer is $20.51 okay so that's over $40,000 a year so I I don't want us to you know we we keep
saying that and I'm sitting here going "Please don't don't push a bad number." All right awesome i got nothing miss Cop one thing um the foreclosure action that we filed um regarding the property at
222 Cybert it is ready to proceed to let's put it this way the next documents I file are going to get us probably to a foreclosure sale relatively quickly so I wanted to let the council know we were going to go on to that step the property has not come into compliance but if
anyone objects to that or wants to talk before I make those final filings I would call an executive session so just let me know if I need to do that or if I'm good to go objections no do okay thank you seeing none
it shall be done fair enough and it rhymed all right public comments for those hanging out both of them no and Monica two of them were destined waters though all right oh
bless your heart all right with that you can always tell the people 3 minutes sub 9:00 adjourned