I will call this Destin City Council meeting to order. All right. April 7th, 2026. And let me make sure I got this here. All right. So, we're going to start off with our invocation by our one and only pastor, David J. Butler, Faith Assembly Christian Church. Thanks for always
being here for us. Would you bow your heads with me, please? Heavenly Father, thank you for this beautiful evening. Thank you for our glorious city and all of its residents. We pray for wisdom tonight amongst our city council, everything we
do. May it be pleasing to your plan and purposes for our lives. We pray, Lord, that you'd watch over and protect our those that are citizens and then plus those that visit us every day. We ask you to watch over. Lord, we just ask
that this meeting be committed to you. And now your blessing found in Numbers chapter 6 is this. And now, may the Lord bless you and keep you. May his face shine upon you and be gracious to you. May he give you his peace. Amen.
>> Thank you for that. All right. Uh, Councilman Bagby, you want to do the pledge or we already did the pledge? >> All right. You know, just ingrained into me at this point. All right. Well, if a veteran tells me we we've already done it, we've already done it.
>> All right. With that, uh, any changes, alterations to the agenda? >> I have one. >> All right. Jump on in. >> Yep. Mayor, I'd like to pull. It's C. Uh Crystal and I will come back at a later
date with a more comprehensive and smaller presentation on the monies available going forward. We're looking five years out uh for funding that's available to spend on all these projects. And of course, the big
decision will be uh when we make it tonight if we're going to go forward with either of the town either or both of the town center options because that's probably over $50 million there. So, >> and that's for uh city manager. See, just to clarify,
>> no available funding summaryformational only. >> All right. Thank you. >> So, in the visioning portion. >> Perfect. All right. Anything else? All right. Seeing none, I'll accept a motion with that modification. >> Motion to approve uh as modified.
>> All right. With a second. >> I'll second that. >> All right. I got a second. Uh seeing no further discussions, we'll call the vote. Oh, that's right. We're back on. >> No, it's on. >> All right, we're doing roll call. All right, we'll roll call it then.
Yes. >> Yes. >> Voted. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. Eyes have it. So moved. All right. With that, uh, we'll be into the agenda approval and we'll go through all those. Okay. So, we're writing to proclamations. All
right. >> No. This thing looks different than normal. What are we doing here? >> Yeah. >> That's what I'm saying. Agenda approval. So, Larry, are you up? >> It's been a while. >> Not a problem. We're ready to rock and roll if you guys are. So, >> good evening.
>> Yeah, >> sir. >> I'm ready. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. I I was, I guess, for lack of a better term, the uh legislative sponsor of this or made a couple of the motions that got us to here. And and really to make this simple, the uh you
know when we were talking about reprioritizing or whatever is as I went back and reviewed our strategic plan, the critical priorities that the main difference we need to make in the critical priorities I think is to remove
everything after the the semicolons. So, I'm fine with work with stakeholders to pursue the Destin City Center. Don't need to discuss the phase one plan. Uh I'm fine with public uh
waterfront acquisition. Don't need to talk about harbor one. We should still to me that's still a priority and always will be a priority in the city of Destin is acquisition of public uh land next to water. So, and we've got I know the
staff has given us each a sheet to prioritize. The only thing I would say about that sheet is to get rid of everything after the semicolon in each one of those phases or where it talks about phases and see if we want to
change that. The other thing and I would keep 1.1 not get rid of it and then I but I would also move up uh 1.9 into the critical priorities for the council. So we would have nine critical priorities and then the actual
prioritization would be whatever we decided on the sheet tonight if that makes sense. >> 1.9 >> 1.9 is Morgan Sports Center in Delton Threadgill Park master plan for renovations. Got it. >> So, uh, if we could do that, that that
would probably save us talking about each one of these specifically, and I apologize because I I we need to do that. And then we need to figure out the town center. That's really, you know, prioritize because
like I said, that that's $50 million in cost going forward. And we need to figure out which one. We can't do both of them. And what happens in this city is we study everything and it takes 10 years to do something because we didn't
have the money to do one. If we had just picked one and done it >> 10 >> well 20 now okay we bought the land for the cross town connector when I in my first term 20 years ago. So that's uh but yeah, so I would just ask let's
let's get our strategic priorities and then we can have a discussion on what we want to do about the town center. >> So just for clarification, um >> I I I'm on board, I believe, with everything you said.
Are you also wanting us to rank them 1.1 to 1.9 to put them in that order or can they not just be 1.1 through 1.9? >> From my perspective, they can be in that order. >> It doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter, but the staff gave us a sheet because I think, and I won't
speak for the city manager, but I think they wanted to see if we wanted to change any of the priorities. Uh, okay. I I think if they're above the priority line, they're all a priority, you know, and as opportunities present
themselves, we fund those. But I I will defer to the city manager. >> Our objective was to simply provide you a mechanism if you wanted to rank them. We certainly understand if we understand the importance of each of them. Uh and in in keeping the the u the existing 1.1
which is pursue the city town center on that list, we could certainly do that. uh we did move up the 1.9 uh the Morgans up into the ones that we that if you chose to rank them and if not that's certainly fine too but we as opposed to
uh you know just making sure everybody could have the opportunity to to list them in some ranking order if you so chose and if not we understand the importance of each of them and would be nimble in the process as opportunities present themselves we would take advantage of them >> so I I'd like to just then go ahead and
do what you said do 1.1 to 1.9 n take away the fe the phase one everything after the semicolons to clean those up that aren't beyond it and I don't really want to rank anything but I believe that everything inside those critical priorities should be >> okay I'll second that motion
>> all right I got a motion second any further discussions uh Councilman Woman Traml >> uh explain it to us >> I got Traml up first explain what the motion is >> yep no problem so we're going We're going to keep everything that's here,
1.1 through 1.8, we're going to move 1.9 up to council's critical priorities. So, in theory, there will be nine council critical priorities. Under each one of those priorities where it speaks about phase one or acquiring property that we
already acquired, that part of the line will be just removed, but we'll still keep like public waterfront acquisition initiative, but each line will be cleaned up to be more in the current state. Like we've already done phase one.
>> Oh, gotcha. Okay. Okay. >> And I think you made the statement that these really are not going to be ranked at one and nine. They're equal >> opportunity initiatives. >> All right, Councilwoman Traml. >> Uh the only suggestion I had is uh on
number one, it says public waterfront acquisition. We have a lot of public waterfront that we already own that hasn't been cleared out. How do we add that to that particular one? >> I I don't want It's not a new acquisition. We just need to do
something with it. I would say uh you could add the phrase and improvement. So uh that critical priority would now say >> public waterfront acquisition and improvement. >> What do we have a semicolon in there?
>> No. >> See, I'm trying to get us out here before midnight. Okay. >> And that's fine with me if if all of you agree with that. We need to start looking at those pieces. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. My last one, my just comment on there is the two-lane cross town
connector Benning to Beach Drive or Benning. Uh to my knowledge, there's no more council initiatives on that unless you guys need to have it on there for a cross off later. >> Well, you know, we've got some conversation that's coming back to you about the fencing and the soundproofing.
So, there's still a little bit more there that probably would be okay to leave it there. >> Okay. All right. With that, seeing no further discussions, we'll call the vote on the motion on the floor. Yes. >> All right, Rodney, come on. Bring it. Bring us home. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. I just have unanimously so moved. All right. Larry B. I don't even know where it is. >> We need to do the password. >> Whatever's next, Larry.
>> So, item A is regarding the uh Distance City Center location uh from the visioning session. We were asked to bring this back and we're a little late bringing it back, but we kind of wanted to get Tina back on staff and give her some time to look through it. So, uh if you recall, the U SRS folks presented
you with two options. one over in the um the um community center area and one here in the this area to do some redevelopment into a city center. Um, and so from the visioning session, it
was recommended or asked that we bring it back to council for determine if one of those uh we want to make our priority and that we begin moving down that path of seeing it uh come to fruition over time and what that
may look like. But initially, let's decide whether we want to do something here, the scale and scope of that, or if we want to do something over in the community center, or perhaps both. So that's where we are with that conversation. Uh the uh information in
your packet was from the SRS study and their the plans that they laid out. So we would just ask for your direction and thoughts as we move forward. >> All right. And with that, uh Councilwoman actually Councilman Bagby with the motion. Is that's what you're calling for?
>> Well, >> I was going to have you call into the motion for discussion. >> Well, I I'll defer to >> All right. Councilwoman Traml, >> I I personally liked the location that they had of the governmental center
being here, community center being where now city hall is, but keeping the um community, current community center we have at that end instead of putting that little park thing that they drew in there. So that's really what I'm looking
for as far as a goal, but I don't know what Mr. Bagby's motion is going to be, so I don't know. >> All right, Council Bagby. Thank you, Mayor. Um, so we have two options, and I'll refer to
them as the governmental center and the Gateway project. Uh the gateway project is the one down by Harbor One by where the community center is. And of course the governmental center is here across the street uh to include public
works and everything on on the Gateway Center. I'm not saying don't do it, but we we can't afford to do both. In fact, I'm not even sure we can afford to do the one the plan that they designed for the governmental center to be honest with you. Their estimate two years ago
or based on numbers two years ago was 34 million I believe and it's probably up to 50 million now just because the increase in construction costs and things if if y'all have been paying attention the last year or two the so we
we have to have a priority the gateway uh besides the Harbor one project there's discussions going on with the University of Florida and some others about possibly putting a research facility there uh and some
other things and so I don't think it's ripe which is a guess a judicial term but it's it's not ready for us to make a decision about that we've got potentially the bridge you know some days we have the bridge some
days we don't have the bridge you know as long as we have the >> we were there yesterday we don't have the bridge >> yeah we don't have the bridge so that's today But in the future we may have the bridge. And so uh we have I think the harbor CRA one you know they had a
recommendation of putting um allowing boats to tie up there. Yeah. So I think that is just in too much flux for us to make a decision. So, I my motion is going to be that we direct
staff to prioritize the governmental center. Uh, and what and what that means, Sandy, to your point, not doesn't mean we're going to approve the plan that they gave us because I'm not going to support a skate park. I probably I
will I will gladly support expanding the dog park, but I'm not sure we need another new dog park. we need to move it across the the way after we've spent the last five years teaching everybody where it is. So um so I think if we prioritize
the government center then we can come back and have discussions on well which is the first building we built. Is it the you know the gymnasium or is it the what what do we want to do first? And but that gets us on the road to making decisions and spending money and
achieving results. uh that helped this town. So I my motion and I think Kevin just saying is to direct staff to prioritize uh the governmental center development and to bring back uh initial plan on
what what they see as the logical sequence of building that out. All right. And then with that motion and second, Councilman Schmidt, you're up next. Do you have anything else? No, just uh what you finished on was one
of my main questions was getting that and what that's going to look like from staff, which that'll be good because I assume that would be part of our upcoming budget year and and all that. So, your your your hope is that we're getting that over these next handful of
months to start preparing, right? >> Which is great. And um uh yeah, I'm I'm happy to hear that. I think we have big needs on this side of town for some of these things and uh
this is a great step forward to to try to get there. So, let's go. >> All right. With that, I see no other discussions. Councilman Dustin. >> Yeah, I've you know, I've thought about this and tried to come to a conclusion that or
that to spend 50 to 100 because 50 was the bottom number. >> Yeah. that I heard 50 to$100 million makes it the largest project this city's ever been involved in. You know, if I was going to spend 50 to 100 million, it wouldn't be to build an edifice to
municipal government, which is what this is. Um, I have no problems with improving this area out here. that needs some. But to just tear it all down and put the city into that kind of debt to move our center, the harbor has always
been the center of destin. So, we're going to move our center out here at the farthest reach on the eastern boundary that we can and spend 50 to$100 million. I think that's a poor idea and one that will be little uh
little supported by the folks who live here. And so, I would I would say that we need to look at individual improvements which the plan suggested. >> You know, the traffic out here between us and Morgan is dangerous. You know, I
sat over in the in the little little league baseball, not little league, but uh machine pitch watching little three and four year old kids try to make a mad dash for this gate here with this opening that comes across and there is no gate there and
being caught just in time by mom. So, we have plenty of things we can do, but not 50 to$100 million to build ourselves some kind of, as I said, edifice to municipal government. I would uh I'll make a substitute motion when we go
forward to direct the uh staff to look at the proposal that we got in the in the study and come back with some things that we can do in the short term and that we can afford to do rather than go,
you know, head over heels into a 50 to$100 million project on this site when, you know, in all honesty, what we have is working 50 to 100 million. I think of a lot of things we can do in Destin that'll benefit the
citizens more than building that. So that's my feelings on the issue. >> All right. I'll just uh point her. I'll I'll kind of give you some counterpoints then. Um through the TO and through the traffic studies uh our largest hot spot
as far as crash fatalities, pedestrian hittings are at the cross town, I'm sorry, at Stallman intersection and at the harbor there. My fear of increasing pedestrian uh activity over there by the community center is putting more harm in
way uh per the data than over here at Morgans's. Going from 50 million to 100 million seems a little outrageous. And that's assuming that we're going to do this alone, that there's not other organizations, that there's not other uh
functions of a community that wouldn't want to be in some way a part of this. Because to your point, I agree. I think a government building would be a waste of money, but a facility for the youth, a facility for afterchool programs. There's so many nonprofit, for-profit,
and quasi judicial profit that would allow some kind of win-win uh participation on land that we already own in an area that is the center of town. This isn't the far east boundary. Our far east boundary touches Walton County in Crystal Beach, and there's plenty of Crystal Beach people here
tonight. So, the fact that this is the far east boundary is incorrect, and I don't want to get rid of the community center on the west side of town, but this is the middle of town. We own the most land here, and to rebuild something that's already duct taped up, uh, isn't
a bad decision for the next generation to take over. So, I respectfully understand that we want to do this fiduciarily. We don't need to go into crippling debt, but we're making a lot of assumptions. those statements are making a lot of assumptions that I don't believe are going to be true if we
actually want to do this. So that would just be my counterpoints to to those accusations >> and exactly the point I'm making that we should go forward to see what we can afford and what we can build to address those issues um rather than tell them it
appears to go forward with this big project that is going to be in excess of $50 million. So, anybody if there's any other discussion? >> I got some more right here. Councilman Braden, >> thank you. Um, I agree with a lot of
what Mr. Dustin was just saying. Um, and I' I'd love to see those results from the crash report from Stallman. And they may be a lot of fender benders or something there. Maybe that >> a lot of pedestrian hits. >> A lot of pedestrian hits. >> Yeah. Bikes and walking. A lot of it's
froggers. A lot of it's with the nature of what's around there. But >> so it's people going to the EMO Grand >> uh probably to and from, but it doesn't get that specific. It's just police reports and other reports that come together to make that >> and we do need to fix that. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's not Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. Um me personally, there's there's a lot more bad wrecks out around Riata Bay, Lowe's, um where I had one about a month ago and guy crossed in front of me and I t-boned him and just totaled my truck and his his car and all like killed both of us.
>> Mhm. >> Um so like I said, I don't I don't know what's going on at Stallman. I never seen anybody up there, but I'd love to see the results of what what's going on up there. It's probably that turn lane coming off of Stallman, people walking and they're not looking. Um, but anyway, yeah, I'm I'm with uh Mr. Dustin
spending that kind of money for a huge building, 50, you know, $75 million to put more people in so we can just spend more money and add more 30 40 $50,000 studies and another $30,000 for
somebody to study the study and that kind of stuff. when we've been talking about the community center redoing it and Miss Lisa in there group with all the sports and stuff that brings a lot of money to this town a lot of money restaurants motel all that all
we do is spend it they they're making it that just my thought just just um so I' I'd love to see us spend some money on that end um before we spend $100 million because like Dwey said this this is for right
now. Um the roofs aren't leaking like they are at the community center. The windows aren't all fogged up. It looks horrible for all our turfs that are going there. So, all right. >> Um that's where I stand on that. >> No point taken. Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. So, maybe I'm going to assume
there was a misunderstanding of the motion, the original motion, and I assume Mr. Braden is going to be a second for the substitute motion by Mr. Dest. All all we're directing the staff to do in the original motion is come
back with a plan, not spend a single penny based on the consultants report and the consultant's advice for the governmental center. Not not building a single thing. Each of
those once the staff brings us and they're just bringing us back a timeline sequence. You know, our recommendation is you build the community center or the building where the nonprofits can host things, where kids can have afterchool
classes or whatever, you know, whatever the council at that time decides to do. And then the council would approve that prioritization or say no, we want to expand the dog park first or we want to put in more pickle ball courts first or
we want to do whatever that's based on that original plan so that we don't keep studying this thing to death. Okay? So that we don't keep spending money. you know, it would won't be I don't think it'll be 50 million because I think a couple of those things I hope will fall
out to be honest with you like the skate park and a couple of the other things. But there there is a group a contingent in this community that want a skate park and they'll be here the night that that's discussed and the council at that time will make that decision on whether or not to build it and and spend that
money. But my my initial motion didn't spend a penny. It just directed staff to bring us back a sequencing of the things that are already in the study that we received. And so I I won't support the substitute
motion because I think we do have to have a vision for the future of this community. And it's got to we have to have a part of that vision is a vision for the governmental center not government edififices and building big
Taj Mahals but do we want places for classes or English as a second language training or more pickle ball courts or whatever which is incorporated within my original
motion. So that that's all I would say is I think we're saying the same thing. Neither one of us wants to spend $und00 million. I don't think we should. I don't think we will on facilities in this area, but we ought to have a plan what we want this area to
look like and how we want it to function uh 20 years from now. >> All right. Council Schmidt. >> Yeah. Just a few things and then uh Miss Miss Lisa, question. Um over here at Morgan's complex, would you say that we are limited in the ability to offer city
programmings without having any type of shelter, rain, backup plan over here like with city programming like >> Yes sir. Yes, we have all um outdoor facilities and of course all the uh
programs that we do have here are um you know uh parents drop the ch children off or whatever for a short practice. They're responsible for their child. So if we have rain or lightning or anything
like that, they need to go with their parents. we would, you know, like at the community center, we can have four-hour camps or whatever, all day camps, and if the weather is bad, we have places for them. So, that is one thing that we really need to look at when we do build
something over at Morgans's to get us some indoor facility for the children. >> Sure. Okay. I appreciate it. So, just a few notes. I mean, one thing tonight we are doing, I believe tonight, is we are approving 7 or $800,000 to replace the roof on the community center, which has
been talked about for a few years. And I believe there's an item that talks about the additional million or so that's needed to fix the other stuff on there. Um, so that's that's good that we're moving forward because the community center does do a lot of good. I don't think the community center is meeting
all of our needs recreationally for the city and for visitors. Would you say >> you're correct? >> Is there room for more? >> Yeah, we've been um the gym has been overcrowded for 10 15 years. We know that it has stopped the enrollment of
what we can do there for each program that we do. A >> and I was speaking to somebody that was mentioned about people in Destin want this. There might be some people in Destin want this. Um I bet you there's a lot more that probably would. Uh specifically, I was speaking to somebody
that's developing a neighborhood right near here. And he was talking about he's selling lots mainly primarily to families pretty much family people with families and kids, 40 plus lots right here behind us. That's that's going to be additional families that would want
to come right here on this side to utilize Morgans's. Uh, and there was also talk about the 10 acres of land that's owned by Indian Bayou that now is going to be up for discussion about what it could be even used for in the future. And I think
that's that's a possible opportunity for the city as well to to be looking at. So, um, and like the mayor said, the TDC obviously that's our big funding pot for a lot of projects that goes on here. Um
I I I'm pretty sure I mean they're they're talking about a massive development right now at the fairgrounds, the old fairgrounds in Fort Walton Beach um to do some very great things. And even if we did the minor stuff like Mr.
Destin's talking about, I know we'd get the TDC support for sure. doing a larger scale item like this, I'm I'm just as confident that this would check all the boxes to be tourist development funded in some way or another in addition to
all the other things. So again, like Mr. Bagby said, this is only to start planning to start seeing a plan. This council had an opportunity over a year ago, two years ago, less than a year ago to talk about a park master plan.
For one reason or another, we didn't even execute the full plan to the point where it's now basically dead, which is unfortunate. So, we talk about this stuff, but then we don't actually get it there and and execute to
do the things that people are telling us are broken, we need to fix, we need to do better. So, if if we can do a like Mr. Bagby saying, just to kind of see, I think this is great. So, I I hope we can move forward and start looking at this about what it's going to be like over
here. >> All right. To bring it home, uh for procedural, uh just so I can get back on it, uh Councilman Braden, are you seconding the substitute motion that Councilman Dustin had? >> Had been made yet. >> I thought you you offered a substitute motion. >> I will offer one. >> Oh, you will offer. Oh, yeah. Devil's in
the details. All right. Will you I will be happy to make one. Let's see. Let's see if we can come out with something that we will all agree on. Kevin's right. If there's some opportunity to get some land, as he was
just suggesting, the 10 or whatever acres it is, we should pursue that. It should be one of our priorities. Um, I have no problem at all with a new recreational center out here. I think that's fully appropriate. When I said most of the people wouldn't support, I wasn't talking about recreation. I was
talking about new city government buildings that uh most people think are not really what they want to see their money thrown at. So, my substitute motion is that we we direct the staff to come back with um recommendations, but
that we will prioritize the rec new recreational center, the acquisition of new land if possible, and improvements to make this area safe, which right now with the road that goes
between these two, it needs quite a bit of improvement. And the other thing I would point out is our biggest project out here, the biggest piece of property that we're working on does not belong to us. So that's why I am in support of
Kevin's um you know discussion about trying to acquire another 10 or 12 acres. So those the motion is basically the same directing the staff to come back but to prioritize the recreational aspect of the study, the uh acquisition
of some land, additional land and the aspect of the uh study that said we needed to make this out here safer. So that'll be my substitute and I'm more than supportive of the new recreational facility out here.
>> All right. So I have a substitute motion on the floor. Do I have a second? Council Braden with the second. Any further discussions? >> All right. See? All right. >> Yeah, please. I'm sorry. I don't I know you don't want to belabor this, but >> I don't know. Hit it home. >> I guess my when we get sometimes we
muddy the water a little bit. The problem with what you're potentially saying or maybe there's just confusion is well one we do own the city owns the land where city hall is on. >> Yes, sir.
We own that land. So any type of upgrades there, it's the city owned land. >> If we're talking about a recreational center there, that demolishes a city hall with offices. So there has to be some sort of,
you know, something goes somewhere else if we're going to demolish a building. So I I don't want to tie their hands to looking at a recreation center only that wipes out town sit town hall that you didn't tell them also to go go look for town hall office
>> like that's what we're telling them to look at >> okay I just okay council bagby >> yeah just a quick question so is escape in your mind which would be in this
motion Is a skate park a recreational facility? >> That's not the one I'm really >> Well, but see that that's the problem. That's to Kevin's point. That's why I like the original motion is just tell the staff to bring us back and then we can decide no skate park or we can do the
>> You're really killing me on this. >> No, I know. But I I think this Yeah, I will be happy to modify the least expensive part >> to specify recreational community center. Rodney, you okay with this that modification?
>> If that'll move us along >> at this point. Yeah, >> I'm just not I I I respect. I'm not going to support it. Just there's too much for me and I I understand it, but I'll move along. >> All right, we'll call the motion on the substitute. Ray, you confused? I'm confused.
>> May I repeat the uh please >> substitute motion? >> Yes. Motion to direct staff to prioritize the governmental center and I'm sorry that's was Mr. Bagby motion to direct staff to review the consultants proposals and
identify which components are feasible for implementation. And then you added prioritize the recreational aspects of it. point. >> I would point out the only thing that's not been prioritized in this motion is the new governmental buildings. We're
not prohibiting them. We're just not saying they're a priority. And I think that would more align with what the majority of the people in Destin would approve of. >> I got a qu rya. Did you say recreational facilities or did you say what what did
you read that part of the motion again? >> Recreational aspects what I said. >> Let's just >> All right. Isn't this just information? That's what we're asking. I mean, I don't I don't I don't get it. What are we eating this? I I don't get the substitute motion to
>> we just ask the staff to bring us something back we can look at. We act like we're fixion on this motion. >> That was the original motion. >> So So the the thing I don't like this doesn't prioritize the governmental center over the gateway which the
original motion did. Number two, it's too general in the recreate because I'm can't remember all the recreational facilities. I just remember the one that I really don't like which is a skateboard park. That's why I like the original motion, but let's let's just vote. Let's just, you know, I'm with
y'all. >> And I would just point out the only difference in this in the original motion is it deprioritizes the governmental buildings. >> All right. So, now that we're getting deep in the weeds here, um I'm not even quite sure why the agenda is set up this
way without public input. um before we're getting into some of these larger issues. Um so with that, let's call the vote. If we're just coming back with information, I don't think anyone's going to get heartburn over this. And when we have more information, we're going to make sure that the public has input before we get deep into these
larger items at a future date. All right. So with that, I'll call the motion on the substitute motion that Councilman Dest has given. We have everything up. Are we roll calling? >> All right. Council. >> Council Schmidt.
>> Yes. >> No. >> Councilman Bagby. >> No. >> Councilman Dest. >> Yes. >> No. >> Yes. >> All right. Two yeses, three nos. We're back to the original motion by Councilman Bagby. Uh, Councilman Braden.
>> No. >> Yes. >> No. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. The original motion passes 32 and we are moving along. Welcome to government folks. I'm so glad you get to enjoy this with me. >> Councilman Councilman Larry Larry,
whatever your title is, go >> whatever I am. I one one thing real briefly. There was one more request and that was item number Roman number six under the prioritize strategic goals which currently reads a green and sustainable environment. It was
recommended and asked to bring back that that language be changed to promote and protect our natural environment. >> And I will make that motion because that was my original direction as legislative sponsor. >> All right. I have a motion. >> Second that motion. >> All right. I have a motion and a second.
Uh any discussion on >> changing the language? >> Seeing none, I'll call the vote. >> Council Braden, whoever wants to go. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. All right, I have it so moved unanimously.
>> Can Can we get him to get Dewey fixed so we don't have to keep going? >> Can you help Dewey? >> All right, boss man Jones, >> you're up to the proclamations, Mr. Mayor. >> All right, fair enough. We will see which one I grabbed first.
All right, water conservation month. You won. It's like you guys knew. She probably planned this. >> Tamara probably. >> Absolutely. Dr. T knows best. All right. City of Destin Proclamation Water Conservation Month. Whereas water is a basic and essential need of every living
creature. And whereas the state of Florida Water Management District and Destin Water Users, Inc. are working together in increasing awareness about the importance of water conservation. And whereas the city of Dest and the state of Florida have designated April, typically a dry month when water demands
are most acute, Florida's water conservation month, to educate citizens about how they can help save Florida's precious water resource. And whereas the Destined Water Users, Inc. has always encouraged and supported water conservation through various educational programs and special events. Whereas
every business, industry, school, and citizens can make a difference when it comes to conserving water. And whereas every business, industry, school, and citizen can help by saving water and thus promote a healthy economy and community. Whereas outdoor irrigation
comprises a large portion of water use, Destin Water Users, Inc. will encourage citizens and businesses to focus on improving outdoor irrigation efficiency. Now, therefore, I, Bobby Wagner, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Destin, do hereby
proclaim the month of April as water conservation month. Thank you guys so much for being here. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Appreciate it. >> Yeah. >> Anything you guys want to say? I'll just say very briefly, we'll be doing some water conservation messaging
on our new Facebook page. We've been launching new information, so check it out there. >> Awesome. They do a great job. They're a partner for those who don't know. Little educational. Uh they are they were here before the city was founded. So, uh they're older than us and a lot of people behind me and probably out in
this audience uh has served on that board. Uh thank you for your scholarship that you guys do. I actually got a scholarship 12 years ago uh for college. So, so thank you. I know I they call it a glow up.
>> City of Destin Proclamation Destin Arbor Day as someone who is a fellow tree hugger. Thank you guys so much for all you guys do on this particular issue. Whereas in 1872, J. Sterling Morton uh passionately proposed the planting of trees as an act of stewardship leading
to the establishment of Arbor Day, a legacy celebration now throughout our nation and around the world. And whereas Arbor Day's inaugural celebration inspired the planting of more than one a million trees, initiating a global movement that continues to grow,
transform, and equipped our environment and communities together. Whereas trees are vital guardians of our environment, reducing soil erosion, moderating temperatures, cleanliness of the air we breathe, and producing lifegiving oxygen. They provide essential habitats
for countless wildlife species, supporting biodiversity and economical balance, economical balance. Whereas trees and destin significantly enhance our quality of life by increasing property values, strengthening the e economic uh vitality
of our community's area and beautifying our neighborhoods. They offer shade, tranquility, and a connection to nature that rejuvenates our spirits and uplifts our community. Good writing. Whereas, while palm trees are iconic and uh
foreign for our coastal communities, they are uh not a tree. They're actually grass. I'm off winging I'm winging this now. Uh they're classified as grasses and provide limited environmental benefit such as reduced shade, minimal oxygen production, and limited habitat
value. Our uh business owners and builders that we love dearly uh like to use trees as an easy quick way to get their tree count even though we don't want them to. Thanks to this council, we are going to do something about it. yada yada yada. Whereas our commitment to planting and preserving true trees today
will ensure a healthier and more sustainable Destin for generations to come, creating a legacy of environmental stewardship and community pride. Now therefore, I, Bobby Wagner, mayor of Dest, uh, of the city of Dest on behalf of Dest City Council, passionately
proclaim April 24th, 2026 as Arbor Day in Dest, Florida. Thank you guys so much for being up here. A little bit of a riff there. You got the stickers or did someone grab the stickers? >> I have the stickers. >> You got it. Oh, cool. Oh, I just wanted to see the 23.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, very cool. >> Want to hold the 23 there? >> Awesome. >> And so, yeah. Do you want to >> just real quick um related to the proclamation, we have an Arbor Day ceremony on Friday, April 24th at 1000 a.m. at Buck Dustin Park. So, we hope
you join us. We will be planting a tree there to keep our Tree City USA status. It's been 23 years. We're looking to get the 24th year and we'll have some goodies for any kids that are able to attend. Um, so hope to see you there. Also,
let me flip my paper. Um, we will have Pooch Palooa this Saturday, April 11th, from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. here at the annex parking lot. Um, we'll have food trucks, vendors, raffles, free dog nail trims, and our Okaloosa County Sheriff's
Department K9 and Hound will be there. So, this is an event that benefits the dog park. We hope to see you all there as well, and we're honored to receive this proclamation. So, thank you very much. >> All right. All right. Last one. All right. All
right. Thank you for hanging in there with me. Uh to be completely transparent, uh in school I was deathly afraid of getting called on to read in public. So, you know, in just no way but just barreling in there and cocking your fears doing it in front of everyone. So, I appreciate
everyone on that. All right. City of Destin Proclamation. Uh child abuse prevention month. Thank you guys so much for joining us today. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. All right. Child abuse prevention month. Whereas in April, we take time to raise awareness and strengthen our community's commitment to protecting children and supporting
families. And whereas every child deserves a safe, stable, and nurturing environment in which to grow and thrive. Whereas preventing children, child abuse and neglect requires the collection, the collective effort of families, educators, organizations, and community
members. And whereas raising awareness and supporting prevention efforts can help protect children and strengthen families. Now therefore, I, Mayor Bobby Wagner, on behalf of the city of Dest Council, do hereby proclaim April as child abuse prevention month in Dest,
Florida, and encourage all residents to work together to ensure every child has a safe and healthy childhood. Thank you guys so much for being here. >> Yes. >> Then you like to say something? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Yeah. I just want to thank uh the city for doing the proclamation for us. My
name is Julie Porterfield and I've been with the center for almost 27 years now. And we just keep fighting the fight for kids because, you know, at the end of the day, you know, my goal has always been to hang the clothes for business sign at both of our centers. Uh because all children deserve to live free of
abuse and neglect. And I think together as a community, as individuals, we can, you know, report child abuse and we can also do our part to protect children in our community because they are our future. So, thank you. >> Awesome. Thank you guys so much and thank you for your decades of service. It's amazing.
All right. I don't care if we stay at midnight now. That's what I was fearful of is doing all those proclamations. All right. There we go. Presentation. Rapid flashing beacon potential placement. I think I know who's that, >> sir. Jim Wood, 3790, Misty Way, Dustin,
Florida. I rise tonight as your chairman of your public works and public safety committee with two more in a series of rapid flashing beacon pedestrian cross. We've been putting across town. Your two tonight are both uh on major collectors.
According to the LDC, they're both midblock crossings and they're both being paid for by my committee funds. Uh the first one is on Beach Drive. It's a southeast corner of the school property. There's a crosswalk on Beach there. I have personally been over there about
six times to watch that crosswalk over the last couple years. Uh putting a rapid flashing beacon there will definitely be an improvement. There are lots of folks that cross, pedestrians, bicycles, kids, parents, two parents. A lot goes on in that area there. There's
some other things we'd like to do. There is a safety committee, but that's a conversation for another day. Uh the other uh crossing is on Matthew Boulevard across from Village Baptist Church at a midblock crossing there. A lot of folks on Sundays park on the other side of the road in a parking lot
there and come across. A lot of vehicles going northbound on Matthew will try to race up to the green light, not always watching what's going on around them. So, the uh flashing beacon will give those folks cross and they are another added layer of protection. Uh again,
those are both being paid for by my committee and that'll give us about 15 or 16 around town now, I think. So, uh I appreciate y'all's approval and we'll keep on doing them. >> All right. With that, uh Councilman Bagby.
Mayor, I move the city council approve the public works and public safety committee's recommendations for and direct city manager to place the rapid flashing beacons at the existing midblock crosswalks on Beach Drive near Sand Piper Circle and at 101 Matthews Boulevard. It would be funded by public
works and public safety committees discretionary funds. >> Second. >> I got a second. Uh my only discussion is uh especially for the uh Sand Piper Circle on Beach. I think that's just super cool because I think I remember an email coming to me uh asking for that and like hey I see all these kids and
then then I handed it off to you not to hand it off but knowing that you're the guy and so that's just super cool seeing it full circle. So I appreciate all your time on that. That's amazing. >> And I would like to just add I did uh meet with some uh county school officials last week and got a briefing
on the new circulation plan for the elementary school. It's going to be quite an improvement. Awesome. >> It's going to be really good. >> Thank you, sir. All right. Seeing no other discussions, we'll call the vote. All right. Eyes have it. 5-0. Thank you, sir.
>> All right. Short-term rental ordinance. Is that an announcement? >> Oh, present. No, no, there we go. >> Oh, I was like Julie's with the center. who's speaking. Hey, no worries. It's my fault. I'm I've
been out of the pipeline here. >> Hi, I'm Robert. >> Just hit push that uh gray button there. >> Yep. I'm Robert Clifford. I uh live in Destin 74 Barracuda. appreciate the council persons and the mayor having me here and um I I wondered if it would be okay if I took seven minutes.
>> Yeah, I remember >> 7 minutes 33 seconds. >> Yes, I know since you're speaking on behalf of a group uh just kind of make it brief, but you'll get a little bit more a lot of time. >> Okay, I'm just going to read here. I'm I'm here tonight on behalf of the owner occupants and families of Crystal Beach, many of whom are here tonight as part of the Crystal Beach Neighborhood
Coalition. We came to you in October warning about oversized hotel-like short-term rentals being pushed into our neighborhood. Today, those concerns are no longer theoretical. They're a reality, and they're worse than we had feared. We now have monster house short-term rentals that exceed approved construction limits both before and
after occupancy, violate occupancy parking and bedroom restrictions, advertise those capacities beyond what is allowed, and promote events that are explicitly prohibited. And the result, the neighborhoods being destabilized, residents are being bullied with retaliatory complaints, and the
character of Crystal Beach is beginning to erode. And let's be clear, this is not confusion. This is patterned, deliberate non-compliance. Meanwhile, the city's response, I feel, has fallen short. Plans that clearly stretched credibility and logic have
been approved. I can only assume that the staff was pushed behind their beyond their comfort and they did not have enough support in objecting to plans. Post occupancy violations are not adequately investigating investigated and the advertising alone should have triggered this. Citations and fines
appear to be minimal or non-existent, and after hours code enforcement is effectively unavailable. We're just left with a phone number to call at the police station where you leave a recording, and we never hear anything back. So, what message is this sending? It tells bad actors that the rules are optional. It tells neighbors and
citizens that they're on their own. And it tells every developer that's watching, "Build the same and we'll let it happen." And this is how one bad project becomes 10. Now, we all know that Florida law limits the restrictions you can place on short-term rentals. But other jurisdictions, Panama City Beach,
Naples, Miami Beach, Orlando, they've had success with limitations, and they've gained extensive control over the expansion by using methods that are exclusively within the city's control. These always involve parking, licensing, inspections, penalties, and citations,
and above all, enforcement. And I just wondered if we could just uh take a look at a couple of examples. Do we have slides here? I don't know if these pictures will come up. That's great. If not, it's a short talk. Okay. So, this is just a picture out of an ad from one of these these recent uh big
houses. First thing you see there, sleeps 36. We know the limits in Destin are 24. Next slide. Here's a sign in front of that house. The same day, occupancy 24. So, that's an ad. The exact same day. The sign says 24.
Parking also said 11 and 10, but I'll get to that. Okay, next slide. Another of the houses. And and when you look at that, 11 bedrooms, sleeps 36. That's in the advertisement. Okay. Next, please. This is the parking plan for those houses. We've always had about an eight
car limit in Destin, but they wanted 10 because 10 gives them 10 bedrooms, right? So, they pushed this through. And I know I don't think anyone here thinks that anyone's going to park like that. I mean, I wouldn't know how to park like that, but by city rules, you have to
park by the plan. And that's the approved plan. We got the next slide. That's a similar one. You can shrink it down. Almost the same thing at another one of those houses. Uh, next slide. This is a city's basis. Tandem two only. Everyone has to be able to get out. That
last slide, I don't care what was said, it doesn't meet this just at the basis. Okay, next slide. Here's a part of the ad that says free driveway parking, 13 spaces. That's the same house that had the sign out front that said 10. Uh, next slide. This is
the parking lot in front of that house. A 60 by 80 piece of concrete. I'm from Texas driving my F250. I'm just going to drive up park park park. That's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to do all this fancy stuff. Next
slide. Here's the house, the first group that was there. On the right, you can count one, two, three, four in a row, plus an extra. Next slide. On the left, you can count one, two, three. One, two, three. There were 12 cars in there. And an hour later, there
were 14. Four in a row. Four in a row. Three in a row. Three in a row. Just like we said. And also look at the gap between those cars. I hope there's not a fire. Okay, next slide. Uh here's the ad. Uh, another ad just we're going over bedrooms. There's 11 bedrooms
advertised. And the next slide, that's a picture of a city code. And this is what that says. Advertising for more than the allowable occupancy or allowable parking is premopascia evidence of a violation of city code. And I'm holding here the
STR affidavit of bedrooms and parking places that every owner and every manager has to sign declaring their bedrooms and their parking places. And it says at the bottom, should any information on this form be found to be inaccurate or incomplete, any STR registration status authorized will be
revoked. This isn't confusion. It's patterned deliberate non-compliance. I'll show you one more slide since we got a couple seconds here or maybe a couple more. The next slide or maybe not. This is the original
building plan for one of those houses. If you'll notice, the room there says game room, but they made a mistake and put three king beds in there. And of course, there's no door, so that makes it a game room, not a bedroom. And here's the next slide. Here's their Here's their advertisement,
and that's the same room in their ad, and it shows a door. I don't know if it's been added or not, but it's in the ad. And the next slide, this is just for reason. Both of these houses that I'm talking about, there's others, too. They have a permit for a
fire pit on the roof. And they put a fire pit on the roof. And it's all fine. It's permitted. It's been inspected the whole routine. But at 10:00 at night, there's a fire on top of the roof, six feet tall. Not a single person up there monitoring it. And me being a neighbor
down the street, I don't really want a six- foot tall fire 40t above the ground in 30 mph winds blowing their cocktail napkins through the flames onto my roof. This just doesn't make sense to me. Okay. Thanks. I appreciate that.
Um, we are asking you to act decisively and immediately. The first thing we'd like you to consider is reducing parking limits on new construction as a hard constraint to control occupancy and scale and change the parking rules so that they are reasonable. The second is to instruct city staff to scrutinize
building plans for realism, not just technical compliance and support the staff so that they can say no. We shouldn't approve a parking lot and expect people to park in it valet style. Also, we should revoke STR permits and manager licenses for violators. This
should be automatic. Revocation is already agreed upon at the time of their application. A violation should bring a revocation. And we need to work on code compliance enforcement. The really the most important thing. Let's make code compliance active, not passive. Right
now, something has to happen before code compliance gets kicked in. I think we should respond to complaints rapidly. Within an hour is what I'd like. I know that's not always the case and I'd like all those reports to go back and follow up to whoever made a complaint or whatever was looking for something. I think that there should be one warning
per property per year. One of those properties, if you took a daily advertisement that had parking occupancy in there and um beds, that's three violations a day for 90 days, that's 270 violations.
What are we doing? Okay, one per year. And then after that there should be a citation every time and every citation should be a fine. That's already the rules that we have. One or two or three violations a year should trigger an STR permit revocation and that revocation
should be gone until this the uh items are satisfied. We need to put the business the burden on the business and the corporation not on the citizens. And we should require correction of false advertising and retroisclosure. These houses are rented into 20 27.
All of those people that have signed contracts had false advertising. They've all been told the wrong thing. The short-term permit should be pulled and that person should have to document that they've contacted everyone they've contracted to stay there and let them know the appropriate rules and that they agree to the appropriate rules or those
kids are all going to show up with 36 people and we're just going to have to be calling in every 10 minutes to get that stuff sorted out. This is not about stopping tourism. We live in Crystal Beach. We understand it's an STR position. It is about preserving livable neighborhoods and
fair enforcement of rules, many of which we already have in place. Right now, the burden has been shifted to the residents to monitor, report, and endure. It's not sustainable and it's not equitable. Thanks, guys. Appreciate. >> Thank you guys. Appreciate that. Thanks for the due diligence on that. All
right. All right. public comments. What >> I want to give the >> city manager a chance to respond Mr. Cherry's uh comments. >> All right. Before going too deep in a
response, what I'd like to do is set up a meeting with Mr. Clifford and just let's sit down uh with our staff and let's get a um make sure we have a clear understanding of the issues. I know some of those we have addressed, some of them we are addressing, but we'd be more than
happy to facilitate that time and bringing back a report hopefully together. So that's acceptable. Be more than happy to do that. >> Okay. All right. Thank you for that. >> Yeah. Well, here here I hear you. And we had a meeting with
uh Mr. Clifford and his wife and I think about eight others from the neighborhood. So, what I prefer I want y'all to have the meeting, but I want you to come back with what we need to do to fix this because I thought we and we fixed part
of it. We fixed the exterior uh stairwell and some of the other issues that we had or they had when we met initially. But now it's behaviors and the actual rental of the properties, not the constructions of the properties.
because it's not just these two houses. There's another one I think that's planned and it's you know I live in Crystal Beach and I I have the same I have four or five rental houses surrounding me on the nine that you know but I don't have a problem because they
know I have the sheriff's personal phone number and I think there's a note in each one of those houses don't make any noise after 10 p.m. or the guy next door will call. Okay. and we have security in our neighborhood. But I I I want us to
have a plan going forward to to basically stop this behavior because now we're kind of in that soft period. We've got about six weeks, eight weeks and then it's just going to ramp back up and I just want us to have a plan to address it when it comes back summertime.
Thanks. >> I agree. I'll put that in motion form if you can write us that report. All right. >> I'll second >> at the next meeting. >> All right. Yes, sir. >> I'm not sure. >> I'd give them two weeks >> just because well,
>> not all these people are here full time. You know, most of them are, but >> their schedule may not align with Larry's schedule. So, I just >> first meeting in May. >> First meeting in May. Thank you. Because I want it done before summertime, before Memorial Day. >> Yeah. Okay. So, that's a motion. >> Second.
>> Yeah. All right. Motion second. Councelor Schmidt. >> Yeah. Just the obvious things though. Do we have code violations in place with advertising and illegal? >> They have been they have been issued notice violation on >> So they have that that has been happening. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Uh Kim, I know we normally with code have to give a warning first with those affidavits. Do we skip that process? >> I thought he was saying, you know, if every if if this isn't true or you start uh advertising things above and beyond the limits, you're already acknowledging
proof. You can ask Chris what he >> Chris. Yeah. What >> um what he brought up was those affidavits kind of, you know, you're you're going to do something that's right against the line. You're maximizing something. So we can make them sign this affidavit saying here's
your maximums. And now we to their point, we are now seeing their maximums completely uh overachieved on advertisement. Does that still require a um a warning or do we go straight to fines and and citations?
>> So, as soon as we heard about the advertisement, they were contact the notice violation was sent out. Those were immediately corrected on the advertisements we saw as of 5:00 today. I looked on VBO and Airbnb and they were all corrected to the proper uh things. I
and we also inform them of any sites that they're um advertising on that we're not aware of. They have to be corrected as well as far as we know they were. >> All right. So, it's not it's a whack-a-ole game >> essentially. It could be. >> Okay. But one you we've now warned them
even though I think the affidavit is where I was getting at is their warning is they've signed off their warning to an affidavit. >> Correct. >> Okay. All right. Fair enough. All right. We have a motion on the floor. I'll call the vote. Um, if we can get the screen back up,
please, sir. >> All right. Thank you. 5-0. So moved. All right. Uh, public comments. Yes, sir. We'll take on the right side, my right, y'all's left, and we'll go over. I just need your name and address, and the floor is your order for three minutes. >> No worries. My name's uh Jason Frasier.
I live in 3117th Street in Niceville. So, I'm not actually a resident of Destin, but most of you will know the name of my company. It's Shiloh Construction. I do a lot of building in Crystal Beach and I have for a lot of years. So, my position on this might strike you as odd, but I'm actually here
um on behalf of those same owners of Crystal Beach because as a builder in Destin, I spent a lot of years working with staff on helping figure out some of those codes, make sure everything was lining up with what we were doing. We spent a lot of time
making sure that we were always in compliance with staff as much as possible. It's troubling then when someone blows in and starts doing a lot of stuff that I wouldn't even dream of trying to get away with and a construction application permit within the city of Dest,
especially in Crystal Beach. and to watch those houses just, you know, go up and and the distressing part is for years I felt like I've towed the line of telling my investor clients, you know, no, no, we can't do that. Look, this is,
you know, Mr. Clifford spoke about the eight parking spaces in the city in Crystal Beach. I actually originally developed that with Tracy Goodart five or six years ago. So that was just and and we all decided then that's it. No, you know, when you're talking about 50
by 150 lots, there's only so much you can do and still maintain, you know, a good neighborhood feel. So for for us specifically, like I said, here on behalf of the same owners of Crystal Beach, but also just on behalf of ourselves, our reputation a bit, you
know, we we want to be good neighbors within the city, and we we've made, you know, a lot of great contacts here. We've done a lot of great business here, and we hope to continue to do a lot of great business here. But obviously for us, you know, we have to both respect
the mun the municipality that we're working in, but also bring as much value to our clients as we can. So, we want to have these battles on behalf of the city and its regulations. you know, that's that's what our job is
to kind of hold that line. But it makes it very difficult, you know, to to stand before a client on their property and they're watching this go up and I'm telling them, "No, I can't do that. I literally could not bring that and get it approved. Maybe I could if I fought
hard enough, but that's just not my nature. I try to be amendable to what the city's looking for." So, just as as a again, not a resident of Destin, but someone who's been been here and and tried to, you know, contribute to the community and and all those things, it's
just worrisome to kind of see that trend happen. I'm not saying that it was done on purpose and I'm not saying that it's going to continue past this point, but I did feel the need to sort of speak to that side of it as well. >> I really appreciate that. Thank you so
much for being here. All right. Yes, ma'am. Hit that gray button. >> There you go. Name and address. >> My name is Cherry Clifford. I'm a resident of Crystal Beach. I live at 74 Barracuda Street. We love our neighborhood. We don't want to see it
fall apart. We're not against STRs. We just need some help from you. We did come to you last October. You guys arranged a meeting with several of us. Not one thing happened. Not one thing except another monster house showed up
with excessive violations. So, we're asking again for you guys to do something for us. I want to particularly talk about that parking issue. Could we get um maybe that slide that had the photograph of the parking the cars parked? >> Could you do it by memory? I'm sorry. Just keep going. Yeah.
>> Sure. Um, my issue is dealing with safety because if we have that many cars parked three, four in tandem, if there's an emergency,
an EMS truck can't get a stretcher. They can't get a stretcher in there. Those cars were packed like sardines. So, if somebody falls off that third story balcony or gets burned up there or that fire pit or somebody has a heart attack, there's no way to get to them or
you can get to them, but you can't get it back out. If there's a fire, that house is a stucco house, but there's still lots of wood in it. Every house around both of those houses are wood houses with lots of foliage and things that catch catch fire if a like Bob
says, a cocktail napkin happens to drift through with a 40 mph wind. The fire trucks can get water to the house, but they can't set up a ladder because they can't get through those cars. So, you guys can just see how that's, you know, that's a problem for us.
Part of the problem also is that these homes that are being built, these massive homes, we have over 55 in our neighborhood today that are what I'd call party houses. Think about that a minute. That's a lot
of houses. Yet, the homeowners that live here full-time and those that just own second-time homes, meaning they may not be here all the time, but they don't rent their houses, amount to about 30 to 40% of that entire plat of Crystal Beach. That's not the majority, but
that's too large a percentage to be ignored. So, we're just really wanting to state that we are now we formed a coalition. We're informed. We're committed. We're organized. and we're not going to go away. We're just going to keep coming back till we get some
results from the city. The problem with the housing and and how this is driven is that it's driven by corporations. We used to have a few little LLC's that wanted to come in and build a house. They wanted to do a 1031 exchange or something like that. Now we
have out ofstate corporations coming in and they're operating with a corporate mindset. By the city's own admission, on several occasions, these are referred to as many hotels, not simply residences that can be used
as STRs. They don't really meet our residential zoning, but they're allowed anyway. >> So, >> all right, final thoughts. I don't I don't have my timer up anymore, so I think you got a little bit more. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. That's fine. All right. Thank
you so much for your time. Okay. Right. >> Yep. Yeah. >> All righty. >> All right. You're already on, so floor's Oh, hit it again. No, it was already on for you. >> There you go. Yes, sir. >> All right. Ricky Lyn Grant, Jr., 175
Main Street, Dest, Florida, 32541, United States Postal Service, General Delivery. And uh I would like to make a public comment because uh legally speaking I'm still going through the trespass uh acquisitions at the library
with the librarian and I hope everything works out with the librarian. I try to you know give that its proper space until my trespass charges up at the end of May. I think you got to stay away from the library for a year. So I'm not
used to the postcoid9 kind of legal atmosphere. Everybody's civil with me, but you know, I'm not used to people saying, "Stop looking at me." But uh yeah, I did I did 25 years as a Christian and uh you know, it was
black and white. Now all of a sudden it's kind of a a gray area. But that's why I uh I got my license as a real estate agent and I try to just, you know, stay in the book. I'm trying to get a broker and then go back to school for law.
So in case somebody, you know, they got disagreements, I'm going to give you a subpoena. I looked it up on.gov. $450 for a subpoena. Next time somebody want to approach me with a disagreement,
I'm gonna give you a $450 subpoena and you can take it up with the judge. That's how I believe we need to handle disputes out there cuz it's a lot of gray area going around. And I got a college education. I'm from Nashville,
Tennessee. I'll get I'll get the proper prosecution. If people want to take it to a disagreement, we need to get the judge involved. we need to get DA involved and I think that's how we should handle it. Uh but yeah, that's that's that's civil.
I I try to just, you know, the justice department and that's how I try to live live out my cuz I'm an entrepreneur, you know, it's a wild wild west. It ain't black and white. It's a wild wild west. And uh that's not something I'm used to.
25 years black and white. We don't need you. Go find another job. Now people pay me. They give me a paycheck on Friday. Go do your taxes. Oh, okay. I'll just get on Turboax and and everybody be all
happy. Well, anyway, this is what it is. I'm willing to work it. I'm willing to keep it moving forward until it's done and we can all just retire at home. And I'll try to build a park at home. Maybe
some trees and fountains and statues. Three different houses, the farm, the beach house, and then the FHA, I guess, fishing house. But it's a lot of work. But I'm going to just stay in the book from 9 to5
and, you know, abide with Uncle Sam. Appreciate you, Ricky. >> Yes, sir. >> Hey, good evening. Um Joe Fitzpatrick, 3879 Indian Trail. Uh have two items I just want to touch base on this evening. Um first regarding the March 2nd uh city
council meeting minutes. Uh they are up for approval this evening. Um after that at that meeting there was question asked that are in the meet meeting minutes regarding potential discrepancies with regards to purchase price parcel you know basically the acquisition of the property I put out there. I did follow
up within 48 hours with some additional supporting documentation. At this time, I don't believe there's any additional discrepancies. You know, I think I provided the detail necessary to answer the questions. If there are questions that council has, you know, more than happy to answer and follow up with information, but from my side, I believe
that issue to be closed, but if there are any questions, more than happy to facilitate. Uh secondly, with regards to the current status, my understanding for a path forward since the last council meeting three weeks ago, I've had the opportunity to have a conversation with
Miss Cop, Mr. Balman, uh as relates to the path potential path forward. I was recently provided with an initial draft of an easement agreement which would allow the city to uh study the area in
potential stabilization efforts. that easement did require me to wave past and future rights with regards to the situation. Um, in response, I've provided a redline version uh that I believe reasonably protects both parties and allows us to move forward without
delay. So, to be clear, you know, I'm willing to grant temporary access to be able to understand what the issue is out there. Uh, the adjacent property parcel owner has also indicated a willingness to work and move forward with this. Um so you know it's a bit premature to ask
for me to require to wave or release rights and so you know I don't believe we lack any data. Mr. Bagby you made a comment with regards to studies and we run through studies etc. You know I provided hundreds of pages of documentation. I could provide 500 pages more with regards to aerial LAR
additional data. I think at this time uh through the amount of money that's been sent with the 2002 or I'm sorry the 2004 storm water master plan uh 2024 or 22 basins are outlined subbasins
contributing areas. The MS4 and storm water outfall documentation is documented. FEMA documentation clearly outlines this area with the 2021 updates and most recently the vulnerability assessment that was put out last year clearly identifies this area. So we're
more than 3 months into this review. Um you know as I've said before, you know, this condition is not static. Uh it's active and continuing to worsen. So at this point this evening, I would just ask for, you know, a quick comment at some point from the city attorney to clarify for both myself and council
where we stand based upon the position as I understand it and what she believes the next steps are and how we move forward from here. I continue to be here in good faith and I appreciate time and consideration. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. >> Sir, I have a question for you. >> Is the four I went out the other day
after we we spoke after that meeting that four sale sign is that on your property or the neighbors? That's on a lot. >> There's a lot. >> Yeah. So, I own the >> If you can just get back to the just just for we can record it. Yeah. Thank you, sir. >> There's two parcels. So, my primary
residence is 3879 and then there's a second parcel which is the issue that we're discussing here is owned by me as well. And so, the parcel is for sale. The lot. >> So, your house was on the right hand side of that. >> You're coming down Indian. I'm on the >> Yeah, you're on the left, but it's on the right of that. the left
>> where the water >> lots on the right >> and the lot's on the left. >> No, the lot's on the left. >> No, lots on the right. House. >> Oh, the lot's on the right, too. >> Yeah, it's where the culbert goes through. >> Yeah. >> Oh, so you got a lot, house, and then the water, and then there's a neighbor. >> Yeah. Is that where it is?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thanks. Thank >> Thank you for being here. >> All right. Anyone else? John Stevens, 4025 Indian Trail. Um, I just want to thank council for uh what y'all been doing for in the harbor district lately, past couple years, it's
awesome seeing uh the sheriff's department roam the harbor every day. Um, this year now we're seeing code compliance every day roaming the harbor. Um, I've actually seen more code compliance officers on the harbor the past month than I've seen in the past 20 years. So, I just want to thank uh council and uh our code compliance
manager for that. That's all I got. All right. Thank you, John. >> Yes, sir. >> Now, we need to double that over in Crystal Beach. >> There you go. Name and address. The floor is yours. >> Hey, good evening. I'm Robert Murray,
4532 John Avenue. Um, I'm both a Crystal Beach resident and a local property manager. So, sorry, we're going back to Crystal Beach here again. But, um, I want to start by saying that I'm not against short-term rentals. I hope y'all aren't as well. This is my business. But I do believe that in operating
responsibly, that I'm operating responsibly and within the local uh, requirements. I take a great deal of pride in running a small, reputable, and compliant business with mainly three to fourbedroom homes. We strictly follow
all of the city's uh regulations because our business license, our reputation, and our community relationships truly matter to us. All I'm asking is that uh the same standards be applied consistently across the board. When everybody plays by the same rules, it
protects the integrity of our neighborhood. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you for being here. Thank you for the perspective. All right. Anyone else? All right. Seeing none, we'll close the public comments. Thank you for that, Dr. T. Turn my notes back around. All right,
consent agenda. Do I hear a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> The motion, a second. Any further discussion on the consent agenda? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. >> All right. I have it unanimously. So moved. City manager report. Dr. Jones.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. Uh item 4 A comes through our uh community development department regarding mobility fees. If you recall over uh past few meetings, Ambance came and uh was uh changing a use for a property.
They were uh renovating. Um we worked with them with some parking issues and it's it's been uh kind of a journey, but we've gotten there. Uh but part of that uh development requires a mobility fee of $40,12.73
because of the change of use and that is clearly spelled out in our land development code. Uh they are coming before you tonight to ask you to consider either waving all or a portion of that fee. So I know there's some
representatives sir if you want here and Thank you for having me. Um, my name is Dan Dems. I'm the manager of Anvetsz. I'm here representing the property at 150 Aelia Drive. I also have a dozen other members with me today in support.
Um is a nonprofit serving the Destin area veterans since 1993. The purpose of this request is we are requesting an exemption of the 40,102 mobility fee permit. Um, this project adds no new square footage is strictly a
renovation of the existing structure. Financial hardship. The organization has already absorbed substantial unforeseen cost. Parking compliance, change of use requirements, updated fire compliance, fire code compliance. These expenses have significantly strained our project
and this fee could potentially halt some of our u project completion. The community impact invest uh we lost our previous location on Benning Drive. We've been struggling for a while to find a permanent home. We've always been renting. This is this property on 150 we
purchased. So this will be a place for us forever to support local veterans and we also you know contribute to the city and the community. Uh we've been doing all these events and uh for over 30 years. The facility will provide stability and uh continue serving
veterans in need. Our community support, we have uh several sub subcontractors that are contributing. We have Headway Construction which is donating significant portions of their services. Um this is truly a communitybacked effort.
the past three years um that I've been manager, we have already donated over $30,000 to local charities, schools, churches, the Christmas parade, etc. in Destin. Um um in closing, to make it short, um
because this remodel does not increase building size or infrastructure demand, we respectfully ask can the fee be waved or can it be reduced under a nonprofit or hardship consideration process. We are simply asking for a partnership and
helping our veterans secure a permanent home. >> All right. Thank you for being here and thank you all for being here as well. Councilman Braden. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um I have a my shop is right behind this place. Um I mean right right behind it.
Um been there for several years. Um and I don't believe that the impact that they're going to put on this building they bought is there's going to be any more parking. If anything, there's going to be less vehicles parked there than what what's
been there in the last several years that I've been renting behind them. Um, I think it's a great organization. Um, so I'd like to make a motion to reduce their impact fees to $1. >> All right. I have a motion for $1 on the floor. Uh, do I hear a second?
>> I'll second. >> All right. Councilman Dustin with the second. Councilman Bagby discussion. Yeah, I I'll they do good work and they are a great organization and I've got several friends and even one homeboy
from East Texas in there. Uh but I'm also aware that the mobility fee uh that we put in place serves a purpose. It's to help us maintain the roads through this community and improve the roads in this community. And it's it's basically
a user fee or a future user fee, I guess. And one of the roads that it's going to help the most once we get the cross town connector in is Aelia. Uh, so
the other problem I have with the $1, I'll just be honest with you, is that, you know, and never ceases to amaze me. We will put a rule in place and then the first time we actually apply the rule, we want to get
rid of the rule and then we set a precedent for not enforcing the rules and then everybody gets upset that we don't have any money or we're not enforcing the rules or we're not doing something because we let somebody else. So, I will make a substitute motion that we reduce their fee by 50%. I think
that's fair. Uh it's not the full $40,000, but it's not $1. I I I can't support a $1 fee because I do think that they will that there will be traffic there. Uh, and I acknowledge that they did do some improvements to the parking
area and everything, but we if we set the fee at $1, my fear is every well-meaning and well-performing organization in this community to include residents or not residents,
other commercial entities, semic-commercial entities will be here and we will spend all our time arguing about whether it's $1 or $100 or 50. So, I would just make a substitute motion that we reduce their fee uh by 50%.
>> All right, I have a substitute motion on the floor. Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> All right, I have a second. Uh further discussion on either either motion or discussion on the floor. >> Yeah, I have a question. >> Yeah, >> it says they paid it already.
>> Yeah. Why was it paid and now you're want your money back? >> Yeah, they were they were anxious to get started and before we could issue a permit, the fees either had to be paid or some action by the council. So, they decided to go ahead and pay. And >> why didn't the request come earlier to
wave it? Isn't that Isn't that what the write up says? The waiver request has to be done beforehand. Yeah, if someone wants to come up here and and kind of answer. >> I'm just reading on the agenda on the um staff report. It says 190411.
>> Must be made no later than the time of application for a B building permit. Where does that come from? >> That I'll ask Noel or is that from land development code regarding a the waiver request? I'm just reading in the staff packet
190411 >> page one of your staff packet. >> What the land development code says in uh section 190411 is any claim of exemption must be made no later than the time of application for a building permit. >> Right. So I guess my question was did
they apply for the exemption when they applied for a permit? >> They were somebody that's like maybe like a lawyer or somebody answer how did you how do you explain letter A in legal terms and what what's being done here?
>> Well, they they didn't they didn't provide a letter for the exemption. >> So is this saying that they should have >> a time of permit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, where where are you guys at with the >> I'm David Wood. I'm Headway. I'm the GC
for the project. I filed the application for the permit. Until the permit is actually issued, you're applying for a permit. So, anytime in that process, till the permit is actually issued, you're applying. So, before that permit was issued, we respectfully requested
the exemption. So to answer your question, they wanted to go ahead and try to move forward the project because they would not issue a permit without the fees being paid for. >> Did you get a permit? >> Yes, we have a permit. >> And you applied for the fee exemption before
>> the permit was issued. Yes. >> When was that? >> The permit was I believe we paid the application on a Thursday and they paid for it on a Friday. Yes. >> Like last week. >> Yes. >> Oh, just recently. >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. >> That way I'm trying to understand all the details here. just kind of a little
mystery, but thank you. >> That way the project can move forward because it's already been significantly delayed. It's three months behind schedule as it is. >> We're just we're already making potential exe exemptions and exceptions. I'm just trying to make sure that the entire thing was followed correctly from the beginning.
>> And to point out, this is already an existing business in Destin. They're just moving locations, right? So technically, there's not really an impact on infrastructure for Destin. It's not a new business coming in. It's already an existing business for sure. >> And on that point, what was there
beforehand? >> It was a uh consultant firm. >> Consultant. Okay. Engineer. >> Engineering firm. >> Okay. Uh Councilwoman Dremel. >> Yep. You sure can. Uh Councilman Braden. >> Councilman Braden.
No, I just want to tell you my thought process on that is we we've given it was the the property on Airport Road we own that does the backpacks. >> Food for thought. >> Food for thought. Um we rented that building what was a dollar a year, a
dollar a month for I don't know how many years. Now they don't pay anything, I believe. Um I just like like I said, they just moved one building to another and we want to charge them 40,000 and now we're talking about $20,000 impact fees. I don't know what they're impacting. Um,
and I mean, we have people that have a code violation that that I mean, we're clos foreclosed on piece of prop piece people's property, but we have code violations that were, you know, in hundreds of thousands of dollars
that they actually violated our codes and was wrong in every way. staff did all their their jobs correct and what council do just erase just about all of it. But here we want to charge these people
and I get it. You know, we we go through these processes and and you know, collect these fees, but I don't know how you justify $40,000 impact fee for somebody that buys a building just moving their business around the corner. That's that this this business I mean
nonprofit. Yeah. The invents are nonprofit. We're don Headway is donating a portion of ours. >> Keep the bills down for them. So, >> they just said they give $30,000 back to the community. >> So, I don't know. We're going to do it for
one and not the other. And we've already according to staff, I believe it was told me earlier, we've already reduced impact fees for other people. So, we're not setting a precedence on this one. It's been done in the past. Um, you know, I just want to tell you what my thinking was on it.
>> Councilman Dustin. Council Dustin, >> if I recall, as we adopted this a year or so ago. >> Yeah, a little less, I think. >> Yeah, that's right. I was accosted at the Christmas parade over it, as you recall. >> Yes.
>> Uh, I thought there was sections of it that said, as Mr. Braden alludes that if if it's not new and if it's just moving one function to another area that there was a credit or there was some kind of relief
>> because I know um I was trying to do some figuring on what it would cost to put a new business in testing destined now with this mobility fee. It appears it's probably in excess of $200,000 if it's any kind of business at all. And so I I would predict we're going to see a
lot of these coming down the road. And in my opinion, the uh mobility fee structure needs to be looked at. I'm sure we'll get to it in a little bit after we've got enough of these complaints. But uh as Mr. Braden said, they're moving.
It was on one part of town. Now it's moved half a mile or so. So, I would think they were uh should be in receipt of credit for where they were before because it's it's not a new burden on the transportation of the city. So,
>> yep. And I'll hopefully if there if we get into later because I know it's always good intention for one and then the next comes in that maybe not good intention, but if we file one way, we got to file the other. So, hopefully I'll try to help potentially future legal battles. I believe the impact and
the density that they're bringing to this parcel that's already built. I think that's the kind of the key part. I know we're in a big redevelopment area. Um but yeah, I'd be siding with Councilman Braden and coming to the natural assumption that what was there and what you guys are creating doesn't
increase the impact or increase the density of that parcel. So, I mean any any redu major reduction I believe is is valid, but um I just get a a voice and not a vote. But that's kind of where my thought process would be is if you were building a brand new building, you're
you were really be setting a bad starting uh presidents. But in this case, I definitely see where it would make sense to give some kind of leeway. Council member Bagby, >> is there a provision for a credit for an existing business that moves
for the mobility fee? >> Not currently. So, so what you have obviously mobility fees are charged to mitigate impacts from a proposed development, right? Where there is a change of use with building alterations,
>> they are required to pay >> the mobility fee. That's why they were charged. What staff did was find the closest use to what they're proposing, which is the veterans organization. So, they compared it to a church. There's a religious aspect to this entity and the
church has compared to most of our mobility fees, they're they're pretty low in comparison to others. >> It's like $11,000 something dollars per thousand square foot. >> That's correct. That's exactly right. So that's what they were charged and then based on their square footage, it came out to the 40,000. Um they didn't
technically meet that criteria. If council thinks that the criteria is too strict, then we should modify our ordinance. But that is why staff did not have the authority to modify the fee. >> Well, I'm I'm confused. So,
>> the church, if they were just a church, it would be like 10 or 11,000. >> No, 11,000 per thousand square foot. So, if a building 4,000 foot, it'd be 44,000 change. >> So, because of the size because I think
a consulting firm was there before, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. So the impact on the streets and roads a lot larger with the amvets than with the consulting, you know, where you you do have clients come in occasionally or whatever, but >> I I get that there's a greater uh
impact, but I agree that there we probably ought to look at a credit for an existing business that wants to move uh because they're they're moving. I won't say the problem. They're moving the load
from area A to area B, but the city's load doesn't increase. Now, if they are more intensive than what was there, yes, that use did increase and so there there should be some charge. I'm not saying it
should be free, but there should be a credit. Uh, but you're right. We we need to relook that. Uh, so I I will amend my substitute motion to make it $12,000 as opposed to 50% because I I I won't go to zero and I
won't go to $1. I'll just be on I may be by myself up here, but we keep making rules in in one of the biggest complaints about this city is, you know, we don't enforce our rules, >> whether it be short-term rentals or
parking fees or mobility fees or whatever. Uh and and so I I just I'm very sensitive to that, I guess. Thanks. >> Yep. And then uh Councilman Schmidt had uh Bagby second and and I'll I'll I'll jump in the fire with you there because
I know even as a runner and I live uh close to Aelia. There's while it's a very nice sidewalk, there's a lot of buckling. There's a lot of things coming up >> and so that even at a 12,000 I would like to see that almost directly to the
parcel. I don't we can't get that granular, but I do recognize where there is traffic, there's also pedestrian traffic and there is a lot of need. Um, so I I definitely think that's that's a very fair uh compromise. I know it's zero would always be preferred. Um, and
so just to to jump out there and say I can't be a yes man to everyone, but I definitely see that there needs to be a middle line. So I appreciate that compromise and if someone wins, I think we all lose. So I, you know, everyone's got to give a little. So I definitely
like where that's going. Uh so we do have the any other discussion on the floor uh for the substitute motion. >> I I agree with the substitute motion. I agree with the fact that we need to look at this. But one of one of the things that I wanted the city to look at is
nonprofits should be in the same category as churches. This should never come up to us again. The other thing that I think we need to look at here, um, is whether or not uh I understand they moved a business, right? The first
business they had, they were renting. They didn't pay impact fees on a rental. The owner did that. Now they own. This is different. So, somehow we need to work that out as well. I'm not saying yes or no to anything. I'm just saying
that needs to be looked at as well. Um, and somehow in those mobility fees or in any impact fee, we need to look at those kinds of situations. So, that was what I was going to say after we did the vote, but anyway, I'll say it now. Thank you.
>> All right. And with that, any further discussion? All right. We'll call the substitute motion now amended to 12,000, which would be a reduction of God, 29,000 public math. >> Right up there with public reading. Yeah, give or take. All right, so we'll
call the vote. >> All right, eyes have it. So moved. We'll reduce it down to $12,000. Thank you guys for being here. >> All right, >> next item 4B is uh the state park update on the Norgo Point property. Uh you
there's a number of things in your packet. Uh there's the resolution that you passed um earlier this year that we presented to the board of county commissioners. Uh there's a copy of the survey that we conducted um asking all the residents of the
county their thoughts and feelings on what that park should look like. And uh I think we were all pleased with the results of that. It was done scientifically with a um I think a 4% margin of error. So it was fairly significant uh in your packet as we were
asked to bring back at each subsequent meeting until we decide you tell us not to as the u um process for changing the zoning the land use compreh comprehensive plan amendment and the amendment to the DO. Um there is a
letter that uh the Holiday uh improvement association u sent to the board of county commissioners along with a resolution that they passed supporting the um city's position of managing the park. Uh there are uh two depictions or
concepts of um what we from staff would present to council for your consideration regarding parking and some limited amenities in the park. those things are to scale. You can move them around, do as you would like or make any amendments to it. So, tonight there's
kind of three things we're looking to do. Uh, one is to talk about the the parking plan. Whether there's one of those you would like to forward to the board of county commissioners saying that we this is what we'd like to do or
perhaps both of them with your approval. um the docks, uh what you would like to do uh with um the docks and how that would work out. Um
and what else we've got? Miss cop, am I missing something? We >> talked about the dogs. >> Talked about the dogs. Talked about the parking. Um >> oh, and the and the free parking for on behalf of the the the U county
residents. I know Mr. Dustin, Miss Cop met with Mr. Palmer and uh the county attorney and they may have some additional information on that, but that's kind of where we are tonight. >> Yeah. Looking for some direction. >> Commissioner Palmer basically asked if the city council would be willing to uh
provide free parking to all county residents, not just city of Dustin residents, at the recently acquired state land, what we're calling the Holiday Isle Park. He also asked if that could apply to other parks citywide. So
now what we're asking the city council for is more than one decision. Um and we have a couple of recommended motions in your staff report. Uh first if we could deal um with the city engineers concept
plans. You have two plans in there that the city manager just talked about. And I just want to point out the docks are not included on the plans because the city engineers focus to highlight the parking and uses on the upland. We obviously know the docks are there and
when we do take back um a council decision to the county, we would like you to um provide for what uses might be acceptable to the council on those docks. I know we've um thought about using a portion of them as a fishing
pier and we have um thought about using them as first come first serve public transient slips that are not available for overnight rentals. Those are things that I understand um from representatives of Holly Isle that um
they would probably support. I don't want to speak for them because they're not here, but I believe that that was supportable unlike overnight rentals and a commercial marina which would certainly not be supported um by those residents. >> And just briefly, the two concepts you
see uh one shows uh 45 degree angled parking and that's a one-way street through and that uh provides an additional uh 57 new parking spaces. The other sh uh is 90 degree parking which
would have a a wider impact to a certain degree. Both of them take a little over a half acre of the property to implement the plans as you would see them. But the 90 degree parking would have require a a wider travel lane uh so that we can get vehicles in and out. Um but that would
provide 81 new spaces for a total of 139. >> 81 on the second one. What was the first one? parking >> uh 57 new for a total of 115 and the second concept which would be the 90 degree parking was 81 new spaces for a total of 139.
>> Okay. >> So >> both plans have over a 100 spaces just for the record on that if I may. >> Thank you. >> Um >> oh he didn't push his button so I didn't know he wanted to talk. the the commissioners seem to be most concerned
about having enough parking as are we. We the parking that is there now is al already going to be used for our Nora Point Park and so I would approve as he
did it in my opinion to try to get as much parking as we can. So the second plan that has the more spaces is the one that I would endorse. on the other issue um of letting the county residents park free just like we do the the uh citizens
of Destin that seemed pretty important to get the support of the county to go forward as a partner with us in this and I don't think it's a big ask as it is I tried to think of what park that we
have gotten substantial amount of funding from the state that we are charging parking in. I don't think that there is one at the moment. So, that's not a big give me. I don't know that that we really rightfully should charge a pile of money and make parking a
priority on these parks where the state of Florida has put up the great majority of the money anyway, including the uh the Leonard Destin Park on Calhoun. We're not charging parking there, I don't believe. So, I think it's a small price to pay to get
the county's cooperation to go forward. Uh, and we discussed the docks and they and I don't think there was a great deal of opposition to going forward with a very low impact commercial very low commercial impact to have the docks used
for fishing peers and for transient uh, you know, single day >> public transit, >> right? And and in fact, our codes allow parking credit for those kind of things. And so the parking could the transient
slips in the on the docks and the fishing pier could actually add to the the amount of use the public has available. So, you know, I would uh I would make a motion that we endorse the parking plan that has the more parking
and that we uh agree to allowing the county residents to park Can I can I ask you it could be a separate motion but we have to include the docks as well. Do you want to do that separately? >> I would. >> Okay, perfect. >> I'll second that motion. >> Abide it'll
abide at a time. >> Yeah. >> So, this motion is to approve the higher parking design and uh to allow the county residents to park for free in in the parks in Destin.
>> All of them. That's really was a request the county kind of wants to be able to say we got something out of this deal by turning it over and letting Destin go forward. I don't think it's an unreasonable request. After all, our city residents get free parking, but
only if they come and apply. And I'm not sure what percentage even come and apply. So, I don't see it as a great impact on us. The great majority of the people who are parking and paying are are out of town visitors. So, I think it's a fair exchange for the county's
cooperation on this and and if we are going to do what they're asked, then it makes it harder for them not to agree that we're all marching in the same direction. >> I want to clarify one other thing and and this is contingent this parking that
you're describing on us managing the park, right? It's not a motion that stands if we're not this is all this is all part of the agreement that we're trying to work out. >> I bring that up because after we met with Commissioner Palmer, the county attorney reached out to me on his behalf
and basically said um he had thought further about it and the county wants to be sure that they're not stepping on anyone's toes at the state or disappointing any expectations at the state. So they want to meet with the state and make sure it's okay with the state for the city to manage it as well
before they make that commitment. So I just want to clarify it's not it has not been obviously decided fully yet. So >> no, we're still in the negotiation but we have come a long way from where we started. >> Yes.
>> So we're giving them everything they wanted >> and they're giving us everything we want which is control of the park. >> So are they paying for the improvements or not? We're paying for the improvements. >> It appears that we are taking over that burden >> and reducing the the price for renewing
replacement later. Got it. All right. Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. Do do we charge county residents to park within any of our parks at this time? >> No, we do not in our parks. We do not
have a charge. >> Exactly. >> I just want to get I wanted to get that on the record. Yeah, >> that's >> that. So, I I don't have a problem with that that part of the motion. Uh because the parking out in Crystal Beach and in in other
places where we do charge for parking, we'll still be charging parking for county residents who don't have a nice little city of Destin sticker, but not in the parks. >> Okay. Okay. Well, I appreciate that clarification because that's where I was kind of worried.
>> So, I I Well, yeah. And I there's, you know, I'm not in favor of uh concept two, the 90 degree parking. Uh I mean, I'll I'll vote for this thing, but I if it goes south, that'll be the first
thing I vote to get rid of. And this is the reason. uh living in Crystal Beach, these people come with F250s with the big trailer hitches. And yes, if you uh you widen the travel lane,
Yep. that gives you more. But if you've ever seen one of those people try to pull into a 90 degree parking spot, >> they're in challenged. They're very challenged. I say that as a native Texan. That's why we That's why we back
in. >> Who Who owns a 150 F-150, not a F-250 with a big trailer hitch, but uh just envision all these 90° spaces and all these big trucks carrying all these floaties and whatever else they've got
in there and then them trying to back straight out back into the F250 with the big trailer hitch. Again, that's why I kind of like the angled parking. I know it doesn't get us as many spaces. I would ask that
you uh you and Mr. Palmer and the attorneys consider that because uh I think we're going to create a terrible problem out there with the straight end parking >> and I think I would agree that we can
certainly discuss it. >> Yeah. And maybe we in the straight portions you might be able to get away with it. But part of the problem is the way that thing curves like that to follow the road and follow the terrain that you got to swing wide to come back
because some of those the turns are actually more than 90 degrees. When you're when you're going driving that way and then you have to come in 90 degrees, it's actually uh a very hard turn. Uh, I asked the engineer to put a
side to extend the sidewalk from the playground area to the far left pavilion only to provide access for handicap to one of the covered spots. I don't want the sidewalk to go all the way down to
all the pavilions, but I would ask that you amend the motion to do that. And one thing I would like is I agree with the no overnight on the docks and I would take one of the docks out, leave one for daily use or whatever and one as a
fishing pier. But you know, you're you're our chief negotiator here. Uh, the one thing I would ask the county to do since we're paying for the parking lot is to pay for whatever capability it is, gates or whatever, going in and
going out of that parking in the light blue to feed a sign at the entrance to Gulf Shore Drive that says two parking spots left or one parking spot left because
and maybe Holiday Island. I didn't see it in the letter, but one of their biggest concerns is you get 800 people down there for 115 parking spots. They're going to find a place to park because they're not going to turn around and go all the way out and go back to
Henderson or go back to Crystal Beach or go So, I would ask the that the county uh figure out a way to do that, you know. Yeah, we'll we'll not charge anybody to park there. uh you know in
that blue spot inside our park there. But uh those those would be the things that I would ask that y'all negotiate uh in your final agreement that because I assume you're going to negotiate something with the county. The county is going to go to the state, you know, and then y'all are
going to bring something back to us for actual approvement as as an agreement. >> Yeah. This is a conceptual plan that we're taking back to them. Okay. Is that is that correct, Tim? >> Yes. Once we if council approves a concept plan, then we would hope it
would go to the BCC on the 21st, although they might change that date if they haven't heard back from the state yet. Um, but I think we plan to attend on the 21st anyway. Yeah. Um and and then at that point they would look at our plan and if they can support it and ensure that they believe it's a park
that's open um beyond to just city residents, which obviously it would be um they would support us and we would jointly go to the state and request city management and that the city obtain the lease. That that's the discussion. >> My my my point is every one of these
entities has a red line. The state's red line was the docks or is the docks. The county's red line is the parking for county residents. Holiday alle improvements red line was minimization of the traffic flowing through basically up and down Gulf Shore Drive. You know,
ours was we want to manage the the the project. So I I just what I'm asking you do is make sure that those four red lines are each addressed. you know, the configuration of the parking. That's a I think we're gonna learn that that's a
bad concept, >> but we'll go forward. >> You know, we'll see what they say. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> I'm sorry. Isn't that why they changed the parking down at um >> Shores of Crystal Beach? >> No, the Crab Trap. Didn't the county
change all that? >> Oh, yeah. It's all one way. >> The angled angled parking. >> It's all one Yeah. And then I didn't actually see but I know >> Councilman Schmidt
>> I would just point out that by reducing the commercialization of the arena. I think we have made great strides toward Holiday Isles Red Line, which was, you know, we won't have 50
yachts with people living on them in the on those docks or whatever the original thought was. So we've that's a big step toward >> if you remember the original concept had um you know office, retail, food, wedding venues. Yep. 11,000 gas in 10
years venue. >> Yeah. >> Councelor Schmidt. >> Yeah. Well, thanks for everybody's hard work, but to me, I feel like we're kind of missing the picture a little bit. Um all those things that you just said were
just big dreams by Drew Palmer and the circus. they weren't actually happening. I don't think they were going to happen in my opinion. Um, so I'm all about trying to figure out how we can come together and
do this, but I feel like we're just taking it all on like you know the uh we're going to take over the the we have to do build it now. We have to man it and support it. They're giving it to us. They don't own
it. like they're not giving us anything. They're giving us the ability to manage the property that the state owns. Um, you know, uh, I have there's still concerns about how do we even support
those numbers of people down there? I mean, our current facility that we just built, is there like a number or occupancy? Is there how many stalls do we even have in there? Is there like a is there a number that we say it can
handle? I know it's kind of it's not an occupancy thing, right? But you know, I go to a ballpark with eight baseball fields in it with two urinals and two stalls. It was a tragedy. You know, >> this facility already is going to be
overused just by between the boats and the people that already come. And now if we're going to put a hundred more 100 plus more parking spots, where's the where's the future facility? You know what I mean? I think those are the things that we should be talking
about now in this con conceptual plan as well because you build that I mean that that that bathroom facility is just going to be we're going to need full-time staff just to stay there all day which I don't think we have. Um, so I guess I I I
appreciate like where we're trying to get by saying, you know, they're not going to build the circus here anymore, but I think we are giving up more here. You know, I think we're giving up where we
were at, which was pretty much telling them, you're not going to do what you think you're going to do. The city and the residents and the people aren't going to support it, so good luck. I mean, that's I'm still wanting to just stay stay on that front because I don't see it happening. Um, and this just kind
of brings me like we're giving them a potential promise or a potential um excitement that they're going to build that that we are going to build this and we are going to have to manage it that we probably won't even be able to unfortunately. So, it just concerns me.
Too many concerns uh for me unfortunately. and parking in the park. What are we defining in the park? Basically, those blue like we wouldn't charge in that that that would not be charged. Is that what you all say is in the park and this uh when we tell them
county residents can park for free? >> No, it sounds like we're going to suck up our right away into that too, >> right? So, anything like in these lines basically >> that whole thing >> would be in the park. >> Yeah. >> And that's why like Crystal Beach wouldn't be part of it because it's not in a park.
I don't know about that. Are we doing the rightway at Ostein Beach? Is the Is the Ostein Beach parking on the street? Is that part of this too? >> I think motion is parks >> in the city. >> In the park is the mo I guess the motion. So what is in the park mean
>> parking to serve a specific city park here? The parking for this park is in the blue and also the parking on the Gulf Shore Drive extension >> the current one and then potentially new one. Right. And it's also >> city parks. >> Yeah. >> Located in the city is what my motion
means. >> Which we don't currently charge at any other city parks >> like Calhoun and um all those parks. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I just I can't I I don't want to I have to think how I could
throw other another option, but I just don't want to support this because I don't think it I think it puts us further back than we potentially were >> as a city. Mr. Burgess. Mr. Burgess, you guys. >> I just had a couple of comments. Currently, our Dustin resident parking decal program limits two vehicles per
household. And I haven't heard a restriction like that. Uh we've had requests before, you know, if you got a three or four vehicle household, you're only you're limited to two and you get the two decals.
We wouldn't change those regulations under this motion. >> Okay. So, what my second part was along Gulf Shore Drive, there are 47 paid parking spaces as well. Now, can a license plate reader tell what county of
origin the license plate is registered to? Yes, but you have to have a camera system with a discrete ingress and egress, which you won't have on Gulf Short Drive. What are we doing there? We have a parking enforcement officer.
Once you create a session in LAZ, you're good. If you have not created a session, you get a $13.95 ticket. >> Okay? You understand this is a conceptual plan. We will work those details out, but we are currently doing that on all of those spaces right now.
And I would, this motion does not propose changing anything until we've worked the details out. >> Thank you. All right. Anything else? All right. So, I think I've been thinking through this. If I live in Okaloosa County, let's not
even call it unincorporated dust. If I live and I got to come over this bridge and I got to go through the failing roads of 98 in traffic, then I want to go down a two-lane road for a potential chance of having it. I really just think we're we're coming up with numbers that
look good on paper, but again, back to realism and practicality. I think the locals of Okaloosa who have a boat would access this for free through the public transit slips that we would create or modify the docks to make. Why would they
not go to O um Beasley Park or any of the Okaloosa Island beaches versus going to a dead end street of not a beach or I'm sorry, not a golf beach, a east pass, you know, there's a wall there. I
I don't know. It sounds good on paper, but why would a a local of Fort Walton Beach, of Myar, of anywhere want to go to this beach? I just don't know why we're emphasizing so much physical vehicle parking versus boat parking. I
think the water is what connects Okaloosa County residents together. And I would be very much more in favor of connecting it through the waterway, not an already known problem of traffic. So that's just kind of my not push back,
but you know, option one. I think the the one way is a lot safer. I think it's a lot less of a cluster. And we're talking about 20 24 parking space difference between one and two and one being in my opinion much safer. And
clearly the county agrees with that because of what they've done at Crab Trap. But regardless, we're adding a 100 parking spaces for whom? Are they really going to be for the locals of Okaloosa County or is this more parking for tourists? It's fine either way, but
let's just like call a spade a spade here and who's actually going to use this parking because I I don't believe Okaloosa County residents will use this parking because they want to go to the Gulf, not East Pass. So, that's just
kind of my stress test, logic test on take the numbers away, take the negotiating chips away. Just my head where I'm approaching it is that like let's let's focus on the residents of Okaloosa County via the boat. Not everyone has a boat, but if they don't
have a boat, why are they going to drive into the worst traffic of Okaloosa County to get to a spot that's not on the Gulf that has really bad, not even rip currents, but title changes? Like, we're just introducing a lot of things that don't make sense. If you zoom out
from that parcel on that parcel looks good, I like it. you zoom out and it doesn't make any sense. So, >> what's the difference in the number >> button? >> Uh, 115 139. >> So, we're talking about >> 29.
Yeah, 29 spaces in difference. >> 24. >> 24. Sorry. 24. Either way, >> math in public. >> I know. Math in public. Here we are. Batt batting 50 now. Um, either way, that's why I just the extra parking. Why Why are they cruxing on that so much? It
sounds good, but the reality of like like can we please zoom out for once in government and see like is that really going to help our locals regardless of what city or not city you you live in? I don't believe so. Like I want to help Okaloosa County. I want to help unincorporated Destin. I don't think
this helps them get to the beach for free because it's not the Gulf. So that's just kind of my logic trying to think through this. I'm all if we need more parking, if they're going to die on that hill, I guess ask why. >> As far as 20 more spaces, it may not be
critical. If if the council wants to endorse the fewer parking space plan, we take it to them and see what they say. >> If y'all want, we can give them both and say, "Here are some ideas that we're >> possibly going to support." Give us your input.
>> Yeah. Yo. Go ahead, council. >> Yeah, I I prefer concept one. I think I made that clear. >> Save the motion to include or to use concept one. And we'll see >> we'll see what the uh reaction is. >> One one way is safer. uh if we do go to
a license plate reader system or however they're going to get vehicles to activate the sign out there, which one I think would support easier than two because they got to come in one way and go out one way. Uh the other thing is I
would I would ask them to, you know, for a million dollars to help construct it and a million dollars a year from TDT. I I agree exactly with your point except on two nights. New Year's Eve and July 4th >> for sure. Yeah, >> because I would drive from Baker to come
watch our fireworks. Oh, absolutely. Your drone. >> Our drone show. Come on. Fireworks are outdated. That's so last year. >> Yeah. Pollute our harbor. >> Okay. So, we'll modify the motion to use concept one. >> Right. >> Thank you.
>> And so, anyone else discussion, thoughts on that? Uh, did you second it, Councilwoman Traml? >> I don't know who. Yes. >> Okay. Are you okay with that modification just for procedure? >> So, it's concept one and the parking >> is still included. Council member
Dustin, >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. >> Just making sure. >> And the free parking. Yeah. The parking goes. Yeah. But the lower number parking. >> Yeah. And then Councilman Bagby, I think your parking number sign, I mean, I've I've kind of floated that out there even years ago. I mean, I think that would at
least for the Holiday Aisle Association, whether it works, whether people believe the sign, like, oh, by the time I get down there, there might be a spot. I I think that would be a lot of goodwill from the county to show the Holiday Isle Association per their letter that they're trying to do some kind of compromise to match them. Uh because I
think I think a lot of people >> regardless of the efficiency I think it'd be efficient but I think that really shows the county's willingness to listen to Holiday Association through some kind of that mechanism of parking count free. I think that would be a huge element
>> we'll ask them to participate in that concept. >> Thank you sir. Okay we have a motion. I don't see anyone else on the dis. We'll call the vote. All right, eyes have it 41. Mayor, uh, I'm going to ask that we move
um 4 E forward. Uh, because we do have some folks from Destiny East and Crystal Beach here that are here for that and they don't get paid. Oh, wait. I don't get paid either, but they they >> Well, thank you guys for being here
still. Geez. They they don't get paid to be here to government. So, if we could just move that forward. >> Okay. Um just just for the procedural uh can we get a vote on that or you want to get to call that up? >> We probably do. >> Yeah. Okay. I have a motion to second to
make uh 4 E next. Is there before we get there? Is there anything else on C that we need to discuss before we make that the next topic? It seems like that's going to go. >> We still need to have a motion on the docks. >> Okay. So, let's talk docs and then we'll make the motion for E to be next and
then everyone wins. All right. >> Maybe except you guys waiting an extra 20 minutes. Sorry. All right. On the docks, Councilman Dustin. On the motion on the dock, I would recommend that we uh
propose that the dock be used for transient slips and fishing peers and that those transient slips parking be applied to the parking requirements for the use of the dock, which means there wouldn't be any and we'd actually have a
credit >> and that'd be public transit per the city's code. >> Sure, >> I'll second that. Evidently, rules and definitions matter in government. >> I'm gonna point something out just for the record now. Everything y'all are
doing is subject to you changing the land use entitlements on this property. I know that's in the staff report and we've talked about it five times, but in case the county is watching, this isn't waving all of that. Those public hearings for zoning, future land use,
etc would be still required. So, >> right. >> Thank you. We'll follow our rules >> this time. >> Sure the county knows it. >> All right, Councilman Des. Anything else further on that? >> All right. All right. Any discussions on the ducks?
>> All right. Would we be paying to lower them? Because >> Councilwoman Traml, >> I I I was just going to say that to me the docks benefit the county >> more than the number of parking spaces
we put in. >> 100% >> because uh I think we have voters that would access that spot more than than car riders for a better term. And I would support that analysis
because we have 30 or 40 or 50 boats that pull along the beach between this marina and the point. Hopefully they'll be happy to go over to where they get to dock for free and walk. We'll see. >> Yep. Um I'm not going to That's too
muddy in the water. We'll get there when we get there. Yeah, I can elaborate if you can elaborate. All right. See no further discussions. We'll call. Is there a vote? Would Okay. All right.
>> All right. Eyes have it. So moved. 5-0. >> Yep. All right. Any further votes that you need? >> We got marching orders. All right. I'll take a motion. >> Motion we move for E forward. >> All right. The second.
>> All right. I'll call See no discussion. I'll call the vote to make E our next topic. make a motion when the entire alphabet is under a city manager's report. So, we don't do it. >> The entire alphabet. Okay. I got I'm tracking now. It took me a second. >> Yeah. >> This is what happens when we get an
extra week. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is This is for uh this called coming back after a week of vacation. You get extra work. >> All right. Call in the vote to move E next for Deubberry fourprongong lake. Eyes have it 50. Mr. Jones. Dr. Jones.
Thank you for um um FourPong Lake for the initial design, survey, and professional services. This is a $274,550 engagement. Uh they'll do cost estimates, some surveying, environmental analysis, geotechnical services,
hydraulic and hydraological modeling along with design geometry. uh put forth a procurement selection for a design build process um and environmental monitoring and construction inspection as post procurement. Uh so um this will
be the next logical phase in this project. So we're looking forward to moving it forward with your approval. >> All right, with that you legislation. Mayor, I move that the city council approve the Dubberry work authorization for four-prongong lake including initial engineering survey and other
professional services and authorize the city manager to execute. >> I have a motion. Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> All right. With the second, uh my only comment is this is an awesome example of why everyone should join the city of Destin incorporated. uh the
levels of representation that all of you all have brought from them bringing it to us, us bringing it to quite literally I think every level of government finding different pockets of money inside a gated community with private roads with a private issue yet collectively us finding a way forward on
a multi-million dollar flooding storm water issue. Um you know this couldn't be a better case study of how a city can represent you and not what they can take from you. So, that was just my little blurb that I'm going to throw in there. I have a motion and second. Seeing no
further discussions, we'll call the vote. >> All right, eyes have it. So, moved 50. Back to D. Thank you. Item 4 C is uh regarding the replacement of street light fixtures that we understand
are known as the Destin Prague model. FPNL no longer supporting those. Uh so this would entail a new lighting agreement um and selection of a new fixture and we're recommending the teardrop uh that is shown in your
documentation um because the existing one is no longer available. Um Mr. Burges will fill you in with any details if you need any. All right. Councilwoman >> Traml. >> All right. >> I move to recommend.
>> She's got it on. >> Okay. >> He's just busting on you now. >> Oh. I move to recommend the teardrop with deep skirt street light fixture and number three decorative bracket as the city's replacement for the discontinued Destin Prague fixture in the town center
CRA and the area lighting fixture for the harbor CRA and authorize the city manager to execute any required lighting agreements with FPL. >> All right. And I had a second by Councilman Dustin. Yep, I got your mic for you. Um
All right. I see no further discussion. So basically the the droopy dandelion thing that we currently have on commons is going away. Is that what that is? >> Shepherd's hook. >> The shepherd's hook. >> That's what it was. >> Hey, that's what my my wife calls it. Some kind of droopy flower. I don't know
what flower she's always saying, but all right. The shepherd's hook's going away. Good deal. All right. Seeing no further discussions, we'll call the vote. I'm sure about to get a text and be like, "You never listen. All right. >> Oh, yeah. Sorry, Ray. I uh I said D. I
meant C. So, just just for your records, if everyone's okay with it, Ray's got agenda item D on there. Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah. >> All right. We good with that? Either way, we'll rerun it. All right. Perfect. All right. Eyes have it so moved
unanimously. And then now to D. Dr. Jones >> D is uh the um community center roof >> sad sad tulip. Sorry, there's the text. >> Uh we if you recall that back in February we went out for bids and we
received three bids for the roof on the community center. $652,634 was the lowest responsive responsible bidder from ICC. Um and we recommend we move forward with that. Uh if you recall
the assessment we did of the the community center said if we want to make improvements we need to start with the roof get it secure. This is a standing seam metal roof and so that would be the first what we would think of a phase process to make the improvements to that building.
>> All right. >> I'll move that we approve the >> All right. I got a motion from Councilman Dustin to fix the roof. Got a second. Any discussions? Councilman Schmidt. >> What kind of warranty do we get with
this? >> We don't. >> So, I feel like last time we had a new roof. >> Which last time? We've done this several times. >> Huh? >> What's it? I'm sorry. I missed something. >> He said which last time? We've done it several times.
>> On the roof. >> Yes. >> Rise. I'm talking about >> roof. this time. Yeah. >> What kind of warranty do we get? >> Jeff, are you familiar with or we can bring >> I don't recall specifically. It did mention in the proposal what the warranty was. I just don't have a direct
recollection of that. >> Yeah. because I feel like over the past three years we've talked about the roof and we always talked about the previous company that installed it, but then they're not going to fix it, you know. So, if if there's a problem with this
roof, will it be fixed, I guess, is my question. >> No, don't get your hopes up. >> I mean, I know we're all laughing, but it's nearly a million dollars to fix a roof of a building that's basically falling apart. And we will have to bring you a contract back and so we will
>> So this is the contract >> resource address. >> What is this? Just approving the >> awarding the bid. Yes sir. >> Awarding and then you'll bring us contract. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Good to know. Thank you sir. >> All right. Seeing no further discussions. We'll call the vote on a
roof with details to the roof is on fire. The roof is falling because there's no walls anymore. 5. So moved. All right. Keep them going. Next item is uh for F Clement Taylor
Park. This is a change order. Um total change order is $48,18724. of that $29,719 is for the roof replacement of the existing pavilion which we had
committed to doing but did not include it into the bid for the project. So we knew this was an expense we were going to incur. This is for a red metal roof that matches the other roofing structures going on. The remainder of the of the change order is
due to some site conditions that were unforeseen. There were some uh errors and emissions in the plans that had to be corrected. Then the couple of changes that we needed a new well for the irrigation. We are cutting back on some
of the sod that was originally bid. So we're saving some money there to offset some of these costs. Um but the total change order is 48,18724 asking your approval. >> All right. With that, do I hear a motion?
>> No room for you. >> I don't see the recommended motion anywhere. >> Yeah. Motion to approve change order number two for Clement Taylor Park project for the amount of $48,18724. >> Thank you, sir. Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> All right. All right. Any further discussions?
Seeing none, we'll call the vote for CO number two. Uh oh, there you go. I had Councilman Schmidt with a motion. Councilwoman Traml with the second and then Ray is going to call the vote.
>> Yep. Yep. I'm sorry. >> Listen, it's not me calling. >> Yeah, I wish I could. Poor Ray's got to do 20 things over there. There we go. >> All right. I have it so moved. The park
is looking awesome. I run by it all the time. >> Item 4G is regarding the 446 Calhoun Avenue. This is the engineering services to um go through the process of converting that into a parking facility.
Uh it's um from Vulkar who through our continuing services agreement. The proposed cost is $74,922. Uh with the potential of having a couple things we need to add as we move through it, but not to exceed $80,000.
Um, and this is contingent upon us closing on the property. As you know, it's under contract and we anticipate closing by the end of this month. Uh, so this would just position us to be ready to move forward um after that closing. >> All right. With that, do I hear a
motion? >> Uh, Councilman Braden, >> do you say it's going to be $80,000 for a concept? >> No, that's plans. engineering >> plans >> $80,000 for plans >> for parking lots.
>> It's environmental um Robert can tell us exactly what all was in that in that scope, but it's I I asked the same question. >> So, it includes environmental uh survey. It also includes a survey to bring all
of Threadgill under one uh plat in essence. So, we were going to combine all the 30 pieces of thread gill into one plat too. So, that includes that, too. Okay.
And let's see. Hold on. And and plan development uh and some bid support, too. What kind of impact fees is this going to cost us? I I think this is uh being paid for out
of the parking fund. So we shouldn't have any impact fees. >> Yeah. >> Um Vulkar is they are one and only in uh continuing service contract.
>> No, they are one of I think four. >> Three. Do what? I'm sorry. >> Do we get bids from the other three or just get quotes from the other three? >> No, that's not the you can't can't bid out uh professional services like that.
That's not how that works. >> No, trying to save a buck. All right, Councilman Dustin. >> Thanks. >> We're changing the zoning, of course, and we're also going to change the comp plan. This is all going to get done before we
spend the money, right? Or are we going to do it in conjunction with >> those things are coming up later tonight? >> Comp plan amendments so generally have to be approved or no by the state. >> That that's I guess the question for
Kim. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Comp plan amendments have to go to the state. >> Okay. So, this comp plan amendment that we're proposing will go to the state >> after it's approved on first reading. It would go to the state for an initial review and then it would come back to
you for second reading with any comments from the state and then it would go back to them after you approve on second reading and then it would become adopted officially 30 days after. >> Okay. This says second reading. So, we got comments back from
>> No, I don't have comments back. No comments. >> Boom. Boom. >> What's the question? >> Four6 Calhoun. Any comments back from the comp plan? >> That's what I was just speaking to Tina about. So I believe Kim if if I'm not
mistaken that this would be a small scale comp plan amendment because this property is less than 50 acres. >> So this would not require a state. >> No, this you're right. It doesn't. And that's what I told them. However, I thought you were asking something else. I thought you were asking about a text. >> Make sure we didn't have to have
comments to take into account. >> No, if we're just talking about changing the future land use, it doesn't under 50 acres. That's what staff and I talked about. >> That's good. >> I thought you were talking about text. >> Good question nonetheless. >> All right. Seeing none, I got my motion and second on the floor. We will call
the vote. >> Oh, okay. I I saw >> Councilman Schmidt with a motion. Uh Councilwoman Traml with the second just for >> those that aren't seeing how evidently in three weeks evidently I forgot how to do this thing. All right, Boss Man
Jones. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is item 4. This is request your um emergency approval for a purchase order for the Harbor Pump repairs. Uh we had a malfunction of it. The cuddle repair cost is $52,655.
We've moved forward with getting those repairs done for the importance of getting that pump back up and running. So, we're asking you to approve that tonight. >> All right. Mayor, I move to approve a
budget amendment in the amount of $52,665 to appropriate from the 108 FD water quality fund balance. I'm move to approve on an after the-act authorization for the city manager to
issue a purchase order to Go forth Williamson Incorporated in the amount of $52,655 for emergency repair of the Destin Harbor pump system. >> All right, I have a motion. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. >> All right, with a second. Um, any
discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. No, it's not going to fail and cost 52,000 oysters. It's funny you mentioned that because as we were discussing the four-prong lake engineering,
we should look at something similar in the harbor till they told me that the engineering company offered to do that >> a wear system over there. >> Yeah. For 250,000 that they would help engineer the >> or look at it, study it, actually
engineer it. >> Yeah, I'll look at it for 2,000. fly a drone over it even. >> Yep, it's there. >> All right. >> For I >> 4 I Yes, sir. >> Uh we were asked a couple of meetings ago to bring you back a code compliance
activity report. So, uh what you have is are two uh time frames. One from January 1st through March 30th and then the other was from December 3rd to March 2nd. uh you see in the first column there in your packet uh for instance the
January 1st 26 to March 30 26 uh the total number in the left column of 671 those are interactions that we have documented and have u recorded those interactions uh in the
event we follow up and have a a another incident then we know who we're dealing with and what we've dealt with. Okay. I'm not sure what went on there. Um, but then you have the registrations and the citations u during those same time
frames. So, uh, we'll be glad to try to address any questions you may have, but this just for information to let you know that, you know, code folk folks are out there working and they're identifying issues and citing and taking short-term reg rental registrations.
>> Awesome. All right. question. >> Yes, sir. >> Can you explain how it works with 379 review numbers but 75 citations? How do those correlate with each other?
>> I'll ask Chris to because we've had that conversation um and he can do a better job at it than I can. >> So, anytime you have an interaction with somebody, it's documented. So you could have a parking complaint that comes in, you arrive there, there's no issue. So
that's still documented, but there's no citation. Or you go out and talk to somebody about a problem that you don't find or it's unfounded. So you might we get a lot of calls, we get a lot of times we go out there that there is no issue located at that time. So it also
doesn't include in here out of that 379 that does not include in here which I can't track through MGO is NOVs that are issued. So you could have notice of violations issued to a property owner but it doesn't specifically state there was a citation issued. The only thing
that it'll give me on there is the parking warning. So in the system you can the officer can put in there, hey I went out on a parking complaint, issued a warning or I issued a monetary fine. So that's how you have the discrepancy as you say between those numbers. It's
not necessarily that they're not getting cited but it's not a monetary issue or >> No, that makes sense. I was asking correlation not discrepancy but >> correct. Yes. So the one one additional is 123 signs called whatever.
>> Which which report? I'm sorry. Left side on the left side. 123. >> So based on what you're just kind of saying, there wasn't any citations out of 123. >> So that could be picking up snipe signs that could be >> Okay. Those are not like a uh illegal
sign. >> No, those are those are issued just specifically snipe signs. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh, anyone else? Right. Seeing none, we'll move on. >> Do you have something? >> You have something? Oh, I'm sorry. I
didn't see Oh, Okay, my bad. Um, yeah. Please I appreciate the report, but I'm wondering where all the all the real problems are. Like this house in Crystal Beach. That's a problem.
Where where's where's that at on here? We're going out and snatching signs up. That's great. Barking, but where's all the real problems at you to speak to more? >> So, in the U there, they're showing six
um short-term rental issue citations. Um, and I'm sure some of the parking warnings could be in the short-term rental areas and some of the parking citations. Chris, can you offer any more than that? >> So, yeah, to clarify that again, um, on these going out to short-term rentals, specifically speaking on the property in
Crystal Beach, they were issued a uh, several notice of violations for different things. So, you're not going to see the notice of violations in this because it doesn't track that for me in MGO. I can't specifically see every one that's been issued in NOB, but I know
the specific address in Crystal Beach when the original properties were brought up, the issues with it, whether do with the slide in the back or the swailes, NOVs were issued regarding that. Those some of those were corrected, some of those are still under review. And then when the last issue
came out with the advertisement, a separate NOV because now we've got a different case that we're addressing was sent out to them on that behalf. So, we are doing it. And when you see in here parking and then you see STR parking, yeah, there's two different categories.
If the officer does not class uh classify it correctly and just puts parking but doesn't add the STR to that function, you're not going to get the specific STR numbers. So, like you have 173 parking issues. I know for a fact a lot of those were over the last month
that we are out there, the officers are out there issuing monetary fines for parking in Crystal Beach. you good there? >> Yeah, I'm good. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> All right. I will save my joke for
later. Next 4J. Um, we're asking you to consider a revised health insurance cost share proposal. Um if you're as you're aware the city covers the cost of every employees um medical insurance 100%. And
then we cover any depend we pay any dependent coverage at uh 2/3 of the rate. So what we're suggesting is that uh from the date of adoption or May 1st that we adjust that for new hires and
new hires only. So not impacting anybody already on staff that that 66 and 2/3 uh rate be reduced to 50%. Uh so that while we would still cover the um full cost of
the employee, we would reduce the uh dependent uh portion that the city would cover to 50% and and the employee would cover 50%. We think this is in line with um other jurisdictions and we certainly
think it's uh fair and equitable in the benefit uh world as we know it today. >> Councilman Bagby. >> Mayor, I move to reduce the city's portion of dependent coverage for all medical and ancillary coverages to 50% effective May 1st, 2026.
>> All right. I have a motion. Uh do I hear a second? >> I'll second it. with the second discussion. Councilman Dustin, >> thank you, mayor. I understand that our insurance costs are constantly going up, but I just saw on the uh channel 3 the
other night that the school district had actually found a unique way to lower their school cost. They have started their own clinic that is available to all the schoolboard employees and it's proposed or said to be able to reduce
substantially their insurance premiums by funding that and so people with just small problems can go to that. That's a concept I'd like to see us explore to see if we can piggy back on with their program, see what it would cost. We've got three
things on the on the agenda tonight about minimum wage adjustment. We've got commuter policy. We've got this. These are all affecting the pay that our people get. And I and I would like to think it's more appropriate to look at
them as a group rather than piece meal it together like this. And you know, I read in the the material that it would reduce our premiums by a certain amount. It would be a lot better if we could piggyback with the county and figure out what in
the the school districts, figure out what they're doing and see if we can't do the same. I had some discussions along those lines with some of our insurance people a year or so ago. That was an option that they said could possibly reduce. So, I'd like to see us explore that option option before we go
forward with um adding this additional expense on our employees. While on the other hand, we're thinking about raising the hourly and give them a commuter fee. Over here, we're going to take it down. I'd like to have a comprehensive uh
solution where we look at all of this and and try to do what's best for our employees. >> And Mr. Mayor, if I may. >> Yep. >> Thank you for that. Ironically, we met with our insurance broker this afternoon, had some of that conversation, and subsequent to that
meeting, um Jamie and I had the exact conversation you're talking about what the school board did with the clinic, and we said the same thing is we need to explore how we could either work with them, come up with an own plan, um and
how that would work. So, that that's in the works. And so, I appreciate that. And is there is there some magic number about May 1st or I mean each month we put it off while we explore our options is going to cost us one 12th of what the savings would be. I just you know I'm
I'm a little hesitant to go forward on May the 1st when there may be an option that we can explore that would be better and save us the money to boot. >> No magic on May 1st at all. We uh we've had a number of conversations of you
know trying to get this whole process more sustainable over a period of time and we thought this may be a good place to start but we're certainly u can do it at any time or not >> and you will be able to contact the school district to see if there's any
way we can piggy back on that. >> Sure. Yes, sir. >> Councilman Bagby. Yeah, I was going to reiterate what Larry said and I'm I'm glad to pull my motion and direct staff to come back with that answer about the school board at the next meeting. It shouldn't take
long for us to figure out because either we can or we can't. And if we can't, then we need to bring this back before us uh before we get into the part of this is in the budgeting cycle to figure out what our costs are going to be going
forward. the the true savings will be if we can get to a self- insurance point. We're not there yet. Um, and I'm not sure that during our tenure we can. I know not during mine that we can get there, but at some point uh hopefully
the city will be able to get to self- insurance uh for health care and that that will be the true savings. But um I'm glad to withdraw my motion and ask that you put it on the agenda either
underneath my name or Mr. Destin's name next month or at the next meeting, not the special meeting, the next regular meeting. >> Yeah. And I and I appreciate that. And I think the clinic is a step toward the
self insurance is my understanding. So, you know, if we can't work with them, can we do a standalone? So, >> let's let's look at that. That would I hope and I would think reduce our costs >> substantially. We hope.
>> All right. >> The the card provides some of that TEDoc. Uh, so really what is where I think they're going with the clinic because think about a clinic people from Baker and people from Destin Middle
School probably not going to go you you spend more do it do it transporting those folks or yours is >> county health. All right. So, I got your withdrawal. And is that a motion to direct staff to
go discuss and with the school board? All right. >> Councilman Dustin, are you the second? >> Sure. If it >> require or >> I was I was a second >> on the Sorry. Yeah. So, you're the second, so you're remotioning. Okay. All right. Seeing no discussions on the new motion on the floor, we'll call the
vote. All right, I have it. So moved 5-0. All right, Dr. Bossman. >> Thank you. Next item is uh regarding the uh minimum wage adjustment that uh council asked us to bring back. So, you
got uh two or three things or four things there in your packet for uh your consideration. We were asked to look at what if we moved everyone up to $17 an hour. And I think
Jamie will confirm that we don't have any full-time permanent employees below 17 bucks an hour. But if we do make those adjustments, it'll it would increase uh annual cost of $49,39.
We were and that is not considering any compression. That's just moving those up. If we do the same thing to $20 an hour, that has an annual cost of $195,45.91. And then if we take those same two scenarios and consider the compression
factor so that we're not um taking a guy that's started at 17 bucks an hour and has worked for four years and now at 20 bucks an hour all of a sudden someone's making being hired at 20 bucks an hour um to do that at the $17 and this was
only addressing the compression to the lower half of our pay scale. So the upper half would not be affected by this. Would cost $330,9982 a year. And to do that at $20 would be a $521,945
per year increase in our payroll. Jamie, did I get those numbers right? >> Okay. All right. With that, uh, Councmet, I believe this was your item. Would you like to jump in at all? Oh, it was Tori. I'm sorry. Someone to my
right. I don't know. All right. So, with that, uh, is there any discussion on the floor? Um, my only dis thoughts on this matter were, um, while I love our front desk ladies. They're always a hoot to come into. They seem to always have a smile on their
face. Um, I would I would say that as always, our biggest need is enforcement and code compliance. If we're going to make someone's uh I guess value a little bit larger in Dustin, I think it would be to get the
highest capable people in that department. Um but that's where I would go on that. Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah, Mayor. Uh the one thing that he said that the staff pointed out in my briefing was not a single full-time
permanent staff member makes less than $17 an hour. So to raise temporary part-time staff members to 17, you know, there's a reason they they are temporary because they don't want to work 40 hours a week and the trade-off
they make is they make a little less than $17 an hour. I would make a motion to direct staff to include in next year's budget a wage study. Uh it's been several years since we've done one and we need to make sure that we're competitive. I think we're more than
competitive with our wages based on we caught up over it three and four years ago and so once we caught up we've given raises I think commensurate with both inflation and performance but we need to
every once in a while check that. So that's my motion. >> All right. I have a motion. Do I hear a second? Second. >> Second for a study. All right. Discussions. Councilman Dustin, >> I would just comment that I >> that I requested that information
forformational purposes so we could move forward toward the budgeting process. And in the study is another piece and information that we could use. >> And almost to your guys's point, you brought up in in past meetings, I I definitely can see the exponential curve
of that base pay and how that would climb up. So I I definitely would be in favor of kind of cheesy the Christmas bonus, you know, whatever that looks like. So I think that kind of covers the runaway over the years yet validates that we're trying to provide top
performers. So just a little thought through that. Councilwoman Traml, >> uh I appreciate all this information, but we have a requirement to move to a base rate of 15 by September. That's right. Do we need to make a motion on
that? >> It's state law. >> Or is it or is the state just going to take over on that one? >> Yeah, you do it or they come out. >> Larry, you got that uh minimum requirement for the state. Do we need to make a motion to be at par or they're just going to do it anyways?
>> I think that's already >> I'm going to push back on that law. >> All right. Thanks for that comment. That was a good one. All right. Anything else? All right. Seeing none, >> next item is none of the policy.
>> What? >> Wage study. >> Oh, wage study. Thank you, sir. >> All right. I try to blow off your study. >> All right. We got a motion on the floor for a wage study. >> That says minimum wage >> next year.
>> Next year. >> So, you're going to commit the future council to something? >> No, we're devolving the budget this year. >> Yeah. this council. >> I'm just learning on the job. All right. Eyes have it so moved. 5-0.
>> All right, Larry. >> It's getting late. Um, regarding particularly U Mid Bay Bridge and what that cost. Um, so we we looked at three different scenarios. One is do nothing. Leave it as it is. Two
was we we said, you know, not to exceed $40 per employee. And we there's a number there in your packet that if we do all of that. Uh that's a $58,000 $8288 U annual uh stipen.
But we did a breakdown also that says some kind of a hybrid that uh depending on where you live and how far you commute a a reimbursement number there and then if you cross the Mid Bay Bridge that would be a total of $40. So in your
packet you'll see that breakdown. One thing I found interesting is that we have about 40 40% of our staff lives in the city limits of Destiny. and asked Jamie to see what she could find today and um asked some of our sister cities.
Um the only one we got a reply from was Fort Walton Beach and 43% of Fort Walton Beach's staff lives in the city limits of Fort Walton Beach. So, you know, our ratio is very comparable to what's going on in Fort Walton to those that live
within the city limits of Destin. Um, so, uh, for your consideration, either of those three or none at all. >> All right. Council Schmidt. >> Yeah. I would just, since I brought this up and thank you all for doing it, I I'll make the motion to bring back um
this full-time part-time 4020 split at the budget hearing cycle and include it in the upcoming budget planning. >> All right, I have a motion. Do I hear a second? Man, he was even compromising too. Throw it in the budget cycle. >> How about I modify my motion to uh bring
back to in the budget cycle an option. >> Here a second to bring back an option and not make it part of the planning. I'll second that. >> Yeah. You know, it's just funny like this was like actually brought to us by a city employee that worked for the city
of Dest. You know, we we do a lot of things for people, but when they actually ask us, it's like we don't want to do something for them. >> Whatever y'all want to do, it's fine. >> The only issue I would have, >> but people have is only some of the employees would be take advantage of it.
Is that correct? >> No, the one I was just gave was for every single employee >> all across the board. >> Yeah. >> Well, bring it back as an option. I'll support that and I second that motion. All
>> right, I got a motion in a second. Any further discussions? Seeing none, I'll call the vote. World's luckiest fishing village. You're fishing. I like it. You got something out of it.
>> I know. Just listening to the people. Item 4 M is we were asked at previous council meeting to review a process where why we could capture um situations where someone may come pull a permit and
that permit's based on the value of the project and they grossly underestimate or under reportport what they think that project's going to cost from a building permit standpoint. uh we tasked our build chief building official to put a process in place where we could validate
some of those numbers. Uh she's done a a good job of pulling some industry standards and some um uh areas where we can capture what those reasonable numbers should be. Are they all going to be 100% spoton? Probably not. But we can
figure out if they're grossly undervalued or substantially undervalued for that matter and ask them for some more information to substantiate their numbers. Uh so thanks Noel for that work and um this is something we're going to implement um internally. So doesn't
necessarily need any action, but if you have any comments or thoughts on it, we'd be glad to hear them. >> Yeah. Uh after talking to a lot of people in the industry, this is exactly what they're looking for. like just just give me just tell me just tell me what you need and let's not make another version of our yearly taxes from the
government and you tell me how much I I tell you how much I think I owe you. I think they would just prefer that black and white. So now this looks awesome at least from what I've gathered. So thank you else seeing none. All right. >> Then to announcements before I hand off
to Dr. Young which I will do shortly. Uh we want to welcome Tina Deer back with us. >> Welcome >> back in full force. So we're pleased to have that. Our clerk, Miss Lisa Wallace, will be at our next meeting. Uh she
starts next Monday. So we are breaking her in. Right. >> I'm sorry. >> Is she here? >> No, I don't. No, she's not. Um and just reminder that next Monday, six o'clock is the quasi judicial hearing for the phase two of Emerald Grand. Harborwalk
>> Harborwalk. Yeah. So, um and we we're uh for those of you that would like, we will reach out uh tomorrow to schedule a briefing of what staff report will look like before you. So, um Sherry will be reaching out to you tomorrow to to
schedule those. We will probably see if you want to do it in your regularly slotted um council briefing time for those that have council briefings. if you don't, we glad to handle you those as well. So, um, we look forward to
that. Um, that's all I have. Dr. Young, >> thank you. Good evening. Earth Day 26 will take place this Saturday from 8 to 10:00 a.m. It's the county's uh version of different cleanups and ours will be our city of Destin one will be at June
White Decker Park. And you heard earlier tonight that we'll have Pooch Palooa this Saturday benefiting the Nancy Widenheimer Dog Park. And that's from 10 am to 2 PM. Our Arbor Day celebration, as we acknowledged earlier, will take place at Buck Dustin on Legion Drive on
Friday, April 24th at 10:00 a.m. The library will be closed on fire Friday, April 17th. Library staff will be attending the Okaloosa County Public Library Cooperative Training Day. On Saturday, April 18th, we're co-hosting along with CBA a vertical
oyster garden event at Captain Royal Melvin Heritage Park. That'll be from 1 to 2:00 p.m. It's free and all materials will be supplied. It has a training educational component at the beginning and then people will get to see a working vertical oyster garden in the
harbor thanks to John Stevens. and we'll have marine safe markers on hand for people wanting to decorate their oysters. The county's America 250 grand parade will take place in Crest View on Saturday, May 9th at 4 p.m. We've registered a council float in that
parade to represent Dustin and other groups from the public are welcome to create their floats as well. Uh the county is also hosting a gala on June 12th that the public is welcome to purchase tickets for. It will take place
uh at the old fairgrounds. Ticket prices and information um can be found online and sort of the same thing with all these events. If you go on the city's official Facebook page, you can find more information. And then last, but certainly not least, the Norgo Point
Recreation Area ribbon cutting will be Tuesday, April 28th at 10 a.m. >> All right. Thank you so much. All right. Public hearings, Miss Cop. >> Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance 2614LC, an ordinance of the city of Dest, Florida, amending the official zoning
map as referenced in the land development code section 12, sorry, section 71201 A2, zoning maps to include a change in the zoning designation of real property generally located at 446 Calhoun Avenue as more particularly described in exhibit A, consisting of
approximately 78 acres from Bay Estates BE to recreation RECC, providing for authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for jurisdiction, providing for a zoning map amendment, providing for incorporation into the land development code, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an
effective date. >> This is second reading. >> I don't know. I was waiting for that. >> This is second reading and um I don't believe >> I don't believe we've received comments since first reading, have we? Uh Daniel, >> no. >> No. Okay. All right. With that, if
anyone from the public wishes to speak on this specific item, this is your time to do so. Seeing none, we'll close the public hearings and I'll entertain a notion motion. Uh, Councilwoman Traml, >> I move that the city council adopt the proposed ordinance 26-14-LC
on second reading. >> All right, I have a motion. Do I hear a second? >> Second with a second. Any discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the vote on 2614 LC. All right, eyes have it, Miss Cop. >> Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance
2615PC, an ordinance of the city of Dest, Florida, amending the comprehensive plan, providing for authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for the adoption of a small-cale amendment to the comprehensive plan, future land use map to include a change in future land use designation of real property
generally located at 446 Calhoun Avenue as more particularly described in exhibit A, consisting of approximately 78 acres from Bay Estates BE to recreation RECC, providing for incorporation into the comprehensive of plan, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability,
and providing for an effective date. This is second reading, and this is the comprehensive plan amendment that uh would be required to be in effect for the zoning to be changed. >> All right. Thank you for that. With this being a public hearing, if anyone wishes to speak on this specific item, this is
your time to do so. Seeing none, I'll close the public comments at this time and entertain a motion. Councilwoman Traml, >> I move that the city council adopt proposed ordinance 26-15-PC on second reading. >> All right. Have a motion. Got second.
Council Bagby. Any discussions? Seeing none. >> Uh we'll uh call the vote. All right. Eyes have it 50. So moved. Miss Cobb. >> Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance 2613LC, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, amending section
11050O, marina sighting of the land development code to require staff level review of single family residential docks, removing the requirement for review by harbor and waterways board of single family residential docks, removing the requirement for city council review of single family residential docks. providing for
authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for incorporation into the land development code, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. This is first reading, and this ordinance was directed by the city council to expedite and make more
efficient the approvals for single family residential docks. It would not apply to multif family condos or commercial docks. >> All right. Thank you for that. Seeing that this is a public hearing at this time, if anyone wishes to speak on this specific item, this is your time to do so. Seeing none, we'll close the public
comments and I'll entertain a motion. Councilwoman Traml, >> I move that the city council approve proposed ordinance 26-13-LC with the LPA's recommended changes. Right. No, as presented. Sorry. >> All right. Thank you for that. I have a
motion on the floor. Do I hear a second? With >> a second by Councilman Destin. Any discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. I want to take this over so bad. All right. I just have it. So moved 50. All right, we did good on the public hearings. All right, comments,
Councilman Braden. >> Well, I had quite a few tonight. I was going to speak about most of them on code compliance. Um, but seeing I was late, I'm going defer to next meeting. >> God bless you. Councilwoman Traml.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I I had under my name uh the naming of parks and structures within parks. Uh I found out that uh we don't have an ordinance for this. We've been using the same ordinance as the naming of streets. And
so we're over 40 years old now. I think it's time we have an ordinance for naming parks and structures within parks. So I've asked that they look at the uh recommendations on the naming of streets and follow that up with the same
recommendations for the naming of parks and elements within parks. >> Perfect. I love that because I know we got a group that's trying to >> motion >> change. >> So, I I'd like to make a motion that staff do that and bring it back to us. >> Perfect. I got a motion on the floor. Do I hear a second? >> I got a second. I think it's an awesome
idea. We're having some troubles naming a renaming a street and I think it's it's an easy ask, but I think there's a lot of lifting going on. So, I hope that can clear some stuff up. So, >> for parks >> and she said streets. >> She said parks to be >> I thought you said you look over both of
them. We have >> Okay, we have Oh, >> well, >> I'm just saying >> slipping that one in there. >> Wasn't trying to slip anything in there. >> All right, got a motion. Got a second for parks and structures. And I will
call the vote. Seeing no discussion. >> All right. 5. So moved. Cosmodess. >> I'd just like to say one more thing. Thank Lisa for the terrific egg hunt that she does every year. I don't How many eggs did you hide this year? >> 15,000.
>> 15,000 eggs. All right, I'm done. >> All right, Councilman Dustin. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, a meeting or two ago, we talked about a wall that was going to go on the section of the cross town connector that goes through the old campground, and we asked staff to bring
back up some estimates for us. I wondered if those had are ready >> or it remind you to do it. Either way, it works. Uh Jeff, >> let's go with reminders because I know we uh we've been working with the
engineering firm and they were supposed to be bringing us back some >> Yeah, they they have uh they hope to have everything by next meeting. >> So, you'll have a price and a recommendation for us >> that
>> I think they'll have options. >> That's that's what we're looking for. Yeah, >> because I know right there where it curves around, the folks that live on that curve are a little concerned that cars will be coming into their yard and would like to see a wall and that's probably would be appropriate there or
cars will be coming into their yard. So hope look forward to seeing the options. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh, the other question I had, I I've heard earlier that the city was discussing with the University of Florida some use or some location
over toward the community center toward the property we bought. And since I missed last meeting, I wondered if I missed something. >> Um, I think you asked for permission. >> Not particularly. Uh there's some broad discussions um frankly with some uh some
of the higher group folks and some of their properties and how that could work in conjunction with bringing a a a small study uh research facility initially. There's one in Cedar Key that um we're kind of comparing to and I
think they've got what do you say six full-time staff members? Yeah, it's more like an IUS extension and the idea is to couple it with the working harbor and the fishing fleet and kind of cross not cross promote but use the assets that the fishing fleet has and in junction
with what the doctors and the research team would need to do a little bit more fishery and stuff like that nature. So the IFAS now is a little bit more farmland facilitating and the idea is to bring more of a fishery facilitation of Ephus to this area
>> and we have a location where we were thinking about putting it. It hadn't even gotten to that point yet. >> Just even just the option, do they need it? It seems like they're kind of biting at the apple. Okay. So what does that look like? And that's kind of where we're at is seeming that the doctors and
the higher ups seem to be agreeing with the conceptual and from their mapping it is an open part of their uh UF reach and if is under that but that kind of being the main draw at the moment. So really just seeing if they you'd be even interested in what that looks like.
Seems like we got first past the first hurdle. Um, so at this point we're I think we've tked them internally to come up with some kind of presentation, some kind of hey, what would this even be? And then we'd go from there, I guess, to
even if we needed the council from a resolution of a support to anything in between. Um, but it seems to be a smaller scale uh working with the fishing fleet >> and it might even possibly go down on our harbor one.
That would kind of be >> you're going to bring us back whatever it is so we can look at it and decide which direction to go. Right. >> Absolutely. And before that even becomes a discussion you'll know about it. I mean >> okay the >> only question I had I thought maybe I missed something at that meeting is very much in it infasy and they do have a
facility in Milton Milton. Yeah. That would probably be the the >> daddy to the uh baby version and destined initially until it it grew and and needed a home of its own. Uh but even the power group has made a facility
available for short term if it needs that needs a place to land in the interim. >> All right. Thanks. That's the only question I had. >> Good deal. Councilman Bagby, >> nothing tonight, mayor. All right. Uh C. No, no, no. Council Schmidt.
>> Yeah. Uh just one comment for everybody. Councilman Braden asked uh last month about speeding tickets and violations, traffic stuff. And I was Yeah, we we got it. And I was going through it recently because I
noticed some speeding going on. And on the airport road over the past 6 months, not sure if y'all saw this, but there's 457 traffic stops. And of those 457, there was only 19 citations and 12
arrests with 444 warnings. Does do we get a say in like the contract about giving tickets or is that do y'all know if that's completely sheriff's departments? >> I think I know, man.
I know a guy. >> I mean, you were concerned about speed and safety. When I read that, I was shocked. >> I mean, I was shocked. >> That's less than 10. That's like That's less than 5%. >> But I was shocked that just on Airport Road, there was over 400, like say 450
stops. >> I mean, every time I'm driving by, they're always pulled over >> just there. >> Yeah. >> And then you take 98 from Airport Road all the way to the bridge. >> 2,000. >> There was only 2500. That's a lot in that one little stretch. >> Airport Road 400 something. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I just >> Captain, what do you Oh, yeah. What's the feedback? >> It's not even legal for the sheriff to direct a deputy to write a citation. >> Yeah. Is it just their discretion? Completely. >> Completely. The discretion of the deputy or the officer that's making the traffic
stop? cuz I know you in the past you've told us like if y'all want more, you know, if y'all want me to go do more speed stuff, we'll we'll add a deputy, remove people, but then it's still their prerogative to actually write a ticket. >> Yeah. In the end, it's up to the It's up
to the deputy. Um it's up to their discretion. Now, I will say that we use a lot of prior contacts when we make those decisions. Uh it's very unlikely that if it's the first time that we've pulled you over for speeding that you're going to get a a citation unless you're
just really going way over the limit. >> Uh it's very likely if you're getting stopped the second time um that you're going to get a citation. >> Do do you know if that's like common numbers with other areas that percentage or >> I don't have anything I haven't done a
comparison to it to another thing. I will say that I would I would assume that it's higher because right now we're doing the what I talked to y'all about last time where we got the grant funded traffic enforcement and airport road was one of the higher crash areas that was
identified as needing to be targeted for speed. So airport is one of the roads in the city that we actually target for speeding and attempt to bring down the traum number of traffic crashes that occur there. >> Okay. Well, I know you guys do a great job and I know you're out there, which
is great. But when you see those numbers, it just kind of, you know, gives me a gut punch a little bit. It's just like my kids, you know, I keep giving them warnings and keep doing the same damn thing, you know. But I wish I kind of wish we would give more citations in my opinion, but that's all
I have. But thank you. >> All right. Um, with that, uh, the only thing I kind of heard, um, again, this is just funny or not, a lot of people were resonating with it, so I just wanted to bring it up. Uh, the manholes
that are turning into, uh, man potholes because now that we're elevating the the asphalt, uh, the manholes feel deeper. And so, I was hoping to get your guys' blessing to at least get, uh, Dr. for
Larry here to work with Dustin Water users and just identify I'm assuming what that works like. I know we or we could answer it tonight. I'm assuming uh your predecessor had informed me this morning that it would be more or less if it's for makeup and
more of a uh not infrastructure damage probably be on us. If there's actually something tied to the system, of course, then it's on y'all. Um, but if it is on us, what would be acceptable for a a
riser or some kind of lift to the system? Monica, if you I'd love Sorry to put you on the spot last minute, but if you're here for the whole day, you might you know what? Everyone deserves a time at the mic. I guess >> earn those big bucks. >> Yeah.
Uh typically road resurfacing projects um if they're milling and resurfacing, it's usually the contractor's responsibility to raise the manhole to the new grade, whatever that may be, however they do that. Um there have been some participation efforts, we participate with DOT before on the major
state roads, but typically for city infrastructure, whether it be storm or communications or anything else, the contractors typically raise it as part of their contract from the history I recall. Is that correct, Michael? Yeah. Put it in their contract, >> Michael.
>> Yeah. So, we mill two inches, we replace it with two inches. So, it's generally at the same elevation it was prior. And we're only talking about a/4 to a half inch difference. >> Not like the ones on 98, which are a little bit more significant, but the
ones on Airport Road are very >> they're they're almost at grade. I don't think they make like a quarter inch manhole riser. >> That would be very uh Now we could just pave over on them, Monica, if that would be okay, >> Monica.
>> We'll just make it nice and smooth. >> So, I I'll be the first to recognize we're all blessed that in a first world country, we're down to these things. >> With that, I just wanted to see if we weren't missing anything in the process. We're here to pave every road in the
city and we're halfway through just to make sure we're not missing anything. And is there a depth that you would feel at some point? What/ inch quarter inch? Sure. Negligible. At what point do we go okay maybe we budget even if it's lower
than what we're about to mill. If we're bringing it to the same but the same is still a gap. What would be whether it's an opinion now or something you can tell me later. would be like, "All right, at 2 in or more, we should probably start looking at something." >> If it's 2 in, you would spill your
coffee on yourself probably. But, uh, before we pay any of these invoices, we go out and do thorough rides back and forth just to make sure that there the ride ability is there and that we don't have these 2-in grade changes. >> Okay. >> So, all right. I'll go out there with my
ruler. I'll send you some photos. My question is is why is airport road I wouldn't say horrible but why is it so bad? >> Well, I appreciate >> we just resurfaced it and you drive down you drive I know you drive down it cuz you going home and I see you and I drive down it >> and
we've even said it in our briefing that yeah airport road is bad. So >> from holes like manholes or >> I mean you say a quarter of an inch but did they taper the asphalt down to the manhole cover because
I drive down it multiple times a day and it's bad. There's there's dips and I don't know if it's because where the the storm drains were busted and sand was soaking in them and it the whole road went down because you can see the
curbing is dipped way down where it's it's collapsed. None of that was fixed. So what >> and we just we got what we contracted for was a 2-in mill and a 2-in replacement. >> That's it. We don't
>> Yeah. We don't we don't worry about fixing nothing. We just want to resurface it. And I mean, I get what you're saying. That's what we bid and that's what we we paid for. And they they tore it up, scraped it, >> just put it right back like it was, just smoother.
>> Well, over over >> over around the Planet Drive area, we did quite a bit of reconstruction over there because the base was failing. So, we don't we don't just build and resurface. I mean, we each street is kind of treated individually and assessed individually for its So, if we
want Airport Road fixed, like on the turnarounds, there's several of them. And I've actually stopped and wenched people off the ribbon curb ribbon because there's a dip because you can't make the turn. You're running off in the in the grass and it's so a drop off and
I've personally pulled people off of that because they've bottomed out. We don't fix none of that. We don't fix the ribbons dropped down where the manholes covers sunk. We don't fix that. We disagree. >> Those little places where people are doing U-turns. I call those chug holes.
>> But we have installed several at council's direction with their approval several no U-turn signs. Now whether or not people abide by them, >> that would be a question for Captain Fulgum. But anyway, but uh no, people still
follow their own behavior, their old behavior. If they're going to make a U-turn there, they're going to make a U-turn there. We go fill them in, but they beat them out. There's one on um Airport Road south of Commons in front of that commercial plaza. It's terrible.
We have to go fill it in constantly because people do U-turns there. >> Behoo us to concrete that section or pave that section or something. So, >> we It's not a hole and people's tearing their vehicles up and >> assuming it turns into storm water calculation issues, but I agree.
>> Yeah. >> Or or close it up or just close the median up. But Councilman Bagby. Yeah, I'm with you though. >> No, I'm just Are we talking airport or are we talking 98? >> Let's go with airport since we control airport and I can call
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, because those are minimal. I mean, but >> 98 I agree with you. >> But of course, we lost a city manager who couldn't fix the potholes or not potholes, the storm drains on 98. But
it's the same on 85, which is Eglund Parkway over in Fort Walton Beach. You go over there and it's like you're hitting a a dip. And I know Councilwoman Ramsell, her number one issue was >> the dip on 98 and the the potholes
because I would watch in every meeting. She would discuss that and it was like I thought I thought I saw on Facebook you're going to Chipley to talk with the FDOT secretary and I thought you were going to get that fixed. >> Well, we were with them yesterday, so
we'll see what they say. We'll we'll see what they do, not what they say. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Cool. All right. Well, I appreciate the discussion there. Um Yeah, I'll let you know if I run around town, not to bash you up too much. Uh city attorney.
>> Thank you, mayor. Um, a couple of things. Number one, um, I forwarded you all an email. Unfortunately, we had a council member that needed to resign from his position today. That was council member Guile due to obligations um that he has going on in his life
right now. That leaves you with a vacancy. Uh, and so I just wanted to point out section 309C of the city charter provides that when there's less than a year remaining in his term or less than a year until the next uh, city election. and we have both of those here
that the city council can appoint a council member by majority vote. So that's just for you all to think about to fill that vacancy until the next election. >> All right. Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. I direct staff to open up a window
for applications for council member uh position uh and probably keep it open for two weeks to advertise it on Facebook and in HR and send out on our Facebook, you
know, wherever we can send it out. uh because that will not be the only vacancy that will come open between now and November. I know of at least one more uh that will come open before November and I
>> pushing it that hard. >> No, that I it I it doesn't bother me, but I I intend to vote uh be an elector >> uh when the primary is. So, that'll tell you about when the window is. The primary is August 18th and I will be an
elector in Walton County and no longer eligible to serve uh because I won't be an elector in Destin by the August the 18th. So I we need to open that up and whoever we pick to replace Mr. Guile uh you know somebody will probably come in
second. Hopefully, we'll have at least two applicants and then uh you know that will give y'all a pre-list to consider for the other potential vacancy. >> Man, we could almost have a five
councilman group. Do you council Schmidt? >> Yeah. Um just I know it's late, but in my mind right now, part of me thinks I I don't know if we should do that. Um, part of me feels like with less than
seven months away from an election, potentially six months, by the time that happens, I I don't think there's a need, whether it's six of us or five of us, I think we should finish the next five to six months before the actual election versus
having somebody come up here four to six months. And then I know in the past there's been talks about the unfair advantage, things like that. Um, so me personally, I I would rather not because we don't have to. I would rather not fill these vacancies. Um, and just let
the people that have been elected by the people finish the next four to six months unless there's something I'm missing. >> Yeah. I I would just say, you know, if it were just one, uh,
I might agree with you. I'm not sure that I would because I think there's a benefit to having seven voices up here. Uh if I know that there's going to be another now it's five and all it takes is >> not to interrupt you but that it's required under the charter that you fill
the vacancy actually. So uh it's not optional. >> It'll have to be filled. It's optional as to how you do it whether you open it up or just appoint somebody. >> You shall fill the vacancy until the next election. >> Uh words matter. Yeah. So again, I will
make my motion that we direct staff to open it up to advertisement in for the next two weeks and that at the first meeting in May, we consider uh a replacement for or at least at the next meeting discuss the process for picking
the replacement because I do agree. I know the council in the past has said the person would have to agree not to be running because of the unfair advantage that you discussed and I think that was in effect when we ran in 21 for
>> Yeah cuz I mean you beat me by 90 votes 60 I don't know close >> for my first run never being in politics but then I replaced Ramsell but she was one week within the the year >> so then y'all I got 42 to get on
>> and then I ran for mayor. >> Yeah. So, and I would I would just say we we can discuss those parameters at the next meeting, but we need to start advertising because we're we're going to need folks. >> Yep. All right. So, that's a motion. >> Yeah. >> All right. Do I hear a second?
>> I'll second that. >> All right. I got a motion in a second. Any further discussion? >> Rodney. Yes, sir. Yeah. Um, I don't know if it's appropriate now to make a substitute motion to appoint Chadam Morgan.
He's not running and I agree, but I want somebody up here that's running. It's an unfair advantage. >> You said he >> told me he wasn't. As long as he's not. >> Yeah. I'd like to point him or do we need to make your motion and then I can
make a motion >> because I want to talk to Chad to confirm a he he wants to do it. I think he would do a great job. He did a great job when he was up here as a council member. be that he's not running or if he's running, it doesn't matter to me.
But if the council sets the rules of we want somebody that's not running, I just I want to talk to him before I don't want to. >> That's the only reason I wanted to point him because he he told me itself that he was not running. >> Okay. >> But he would sit in the seat temporarily. >> Yeah. And he's done that before.
>> Yeah. >> All right. So, is it is it appropriate to make a substitute motion at this time >> for that or do we need to >> You can make a substitute motion. I won't support that. Just until I talk to I'll just be
>> Yeah. So, I kind of where I'm thinking is if we go with his at the next meeting, we would at least we would at least know who's who and what's what. And if there's an application out there, you'd know, all right, I plan to run. I don't plan to run. Here's the three people. Here's the four people who want
the the open, but two of them are going to run the election. It at least give you all the information versus let's appoint them and ask them after confirm after. >> Can if we get >> Yeah. If we get a couple applicants, say this week. >> Yeah.
>> Can we pick one of those people at the next meeting? >> That's what I'm hoping for. I would I'd like to >> if we if we keep the application period open until the agenda deadline, maybe the Wednesday before the April 20th meeting, then the city manager and I
would be able to get those in the agenda for you and you would be able to decide on the 20th. >> Yeah. With the questions being you live in the city, >> do you plan to run? >> I don't know. Spell it out for the government. basically asking are you do you plan on
running this November? >> It would be a differentiator that the council would want to >> I don't know that I mean you you can ask that but that's not a requirement in the charter. Okay. You do not have to >> we will ask them that. Okay. >> Sorry to make it difficult.
>> You can be appointed whether you intend to run or not. >> If council chooses not to select someone that's running that's up to council. >> Correct. I was just trying to get it on the agenda. So here's the applicants. They said yes. These two said no. This these three said yes. They would run.
>> Well, do we want to set that as a criteria? >> That way we all see it. We all know it >> because I think that will affect the number of applicants we get because I mean John's at every meeting and but I you know I he's probably going to run
but if he's not going to run, heck, I would probably pick him too. So, but we we need to tell them what our our criteria is. >> Yeah, that's kind of why I want to add that asterisk of like do we want to see see that question so that when an agenda
pulls out you all everyone has all the applicants with that yes or no on there. >> It's just window addressing anyway. They can say they don't want to run. We certainly can't. >> Well, if your if your word's not more than a handshake, then this this town's
too small for you. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know that it's >> well they might not intend to run at the time they're appointed fall be so amazing up here that they change their mind and want to run. >> I listen I ain't going to be a hypocrite on that run. >> Standing job. The public may decide they
want them to run. So yeah, >> you know that's not a criteria that's high on my list. >> All right. Just uh throwing devil's advocate out there. All right. I got a motion without this without a substitute. So we're going to go with the original motion here. Any further discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the vote
>> before just for clarity. Yeah. The original motion was for two weeks, but if we're going to do it, >> do you want this at the next >> then then we'll it'll we'll publish >> a week from tomorrow or Thursday, so it'll only be out a week. >> Yeah. Ideally, we're we're voting at the next meeting on our replacement.
>> That's what we want. >> Is that okay? Just want to make sure we're clear. >> Yep. >> All right. Everyone's nodding yes. >> Yes. For me, >> we're done. The computer's done. All right, Councilman Schmidt, we're starting from this. Oh. Oh, one down.
Come on. So close. Andy, I apologize for ever even wanting the system. Oh gosh. Now, there we go. 50. Still moved. >> All right. >> All right. More. It'll be quick, but uh I'm looking for a legislative sponsor if
any of you would like to uh support this to make the LDC and the charter consistent as far as the definition of beach. Right now, the beach extends landward from the mean low water line um to basically uh the foot of the dunes um
but our charter only has our jurisdiction to the mean high water line. So I would like to amend the LDC to define beach to go to the mean high water line. >> Yeah. But I'll >> want to be the legislator. Okay. And the last item is um if you look at your spot
on the dis there will be an engagement letter of Miss April Fischer with her uh hourly rates. This wasn't um provided in time for agenda publication, but we are looking for an expert witness for our litigation involving Claude Perry Enterprises
related to the public slips. And uh I'm recommending that we hire her for an expert witness in the event that we go to trial and for depositions and the like in that litigation. If you would approve of the document before you, >> you need that in the motion. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Motion to approve. >> All right. Seconded by Councilman Braden. Um, if yes, see no other discussions unless I can self-appoint myself to that position. All right, we'll call the we'll call the vote. I got
>> We believe we believe. >> All right, I have it so mood 5. >> Nothing further, man. >> All right, public comments. Come on. I know this ain't this ain't for pure entertainment.
>> So, uh, I had asked for an update. I had sent out information of what I've provided to council, uh, to try and move things forward. I've here I've sat here for the last four or five council meetings. I hear about the frustration about expense. We spent 80,000 for this study. We spent 80,000 for this. I
believe I've been more than reasonable in trying to present information, trying to say, "Hey, how do we fix this?" I've had three contractors come out and look at it. They're ready to go. Okay, here's what we can do. What's this option? What that's option? So, you know, I uh look for direction. I look for counsel to
provide a response or andor acknowledge uh my response on the red lines. I don't think it's unreasonable. I would have expected just a 10-second comment. I know everybody's been here for 4 hours tonight, but I would have expected a 10-second comment acknowledgement of what my statement was was actual factual
and true uh and that council was aware. So, you know, I'm at your uh becking call. I continue to be reasonable. Uh but this is an issue that needs to be addressed. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Um Miss Cop sent us over an email shortly ago about this situation.
>> Can you please >> Sure. speak to the I guess update. >> Yeah, no problem. Uh, we've responded to Mr. Fitzpatrick multiple times, both verbally and in writing. I actually forwarded you copies
of the correspondence. We provided a formal response uh via a teleconference between Kyle Bowman and myself on March 17th. It was followed up in writing by Mr. Bowman with the response that we provided verbally. the city doesn't have
liability for um this. That is our position. So, we rejected any cash payments requested by Mr. Fitzpatrick. However, we did offer to provide an easement if he was willing to accept it uh to go on the property and perform
studies to determine if there was anything that council would be willing to do uh for a resident with taxpayer dollars to assist. Um there was not a waiver of liability in that easement other than for any damages based on the
studies and there were three little sub subriteria on that easement that said if any damage was done during those studies there would not be liability to the city. It did not go back and talk about initial liability. Um that was sent to
him on March 25th and we didn't hear back until Easter weekend um two days ago. So that's where it's at. Thanks. >> I still have >> Yeah, if we can talk after or or switch it out after if that's okay with you. I
think it' just be more appropriate to get it off the stand. Yeah, >> I think it's appropriate for the record because that's what I was looking for. And I do have one one very quick. >> Okay, if you make >> I don't know what perpetual release of claims means in an easement agreement to everybody here in the room, but I think that you can look at perpetual release
of claims for anything related to drainage, etc. So you can read the document. So that's the way I interpret it. I simply sent back very simple red lines that said, you know, I'll provide an easement. I've got the adjacent parcel owner to also agree. However, at this time, it's premature to release any
claims. So that was my response. >> All right. So thank you, sir. >> Button. Um the the easement that we sent dealt with um going on the property to perform studies related to the drainage and the release of claims was for any
causes of action or liabilities whatsoever based on one the city's entry upon the property pursuant to this easement. That's for drainage studies and inspections. B the drainage studies and related activities conducted on the property. Same thing. and see any
conditions, impacts or consequences associated with such activities. So, it's for going on the property for the studies and inspections. >> Well, that seems pretty clear then. What I don't know what the issue is. >> Well,
>> I don't either, but it's okay. >> We can talk after. I'm happy to make a quick comment. >> Yeah, if you want to make a quick comment. I would rather I know if you can come up here though. Come up. >> Yeah, come up here. >> Yeah. No, because I I definitely appreciate and respect you coming every meeting. Let's try to nip this somewhere. >> Attorneys, you know, it's hard to get
two attorneys to agree to anything. I think we'd all agree with that. We've all had that. No offense. >> Iowa and I have agreed on everything. >> No offense. Okay. So, basically, you can look at, you can read the language and says, "Okay, we got studies." You start play with words, right? So, my response basically came back, no waiver of claims. Okay. I didn't contradict
anything. If that is actual your purpose, I don't see why you'd have a problem with my language. You know, basically striking. So, it's an interpretation with regard to the agreement. You know, if if that was truly the intent of the release, I mean, you know, I would ask if you forwarded
the agreement, I think anybody here as a business, if they were to read the agreement, it could be interpreted multiple ways. Okay. So, all my red line did was tighten it back, you know, just make sure that we are clear from my perspective. So, >> well, council, the easement was sent to us on Easter weekend. We haven't even
reviewed it yet. And what was said tonight was that there have been no responses from the city attorney. So now you know that there have been responses for weeks. That's the end of the story. We'll review the easement that was sent to us on Easter weekend. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Well, it sounds like it's being
reviewed. >> Yeah, >> exactly. >> Okay. >> And so that's all I'd ask for tonight was ask for an update to be provided. So >> the fact is Miss Cop represents us and so her advice is what we will listen to, but I'd like to see us work that issue out so we can actually see if there's
anything we can do. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Anyone else public comments? Seeing none, I will close and adjourn this meeting.