--------- Not only the test and [Music] All right. Call to order for the May 19th, 2025 CRA board meeting. The time is 5:30, May 19th. Uh let's do a verbal roll call starting with uh you Mr.
Braden here. Traml here, here here. Here. All right. If I can get a motion for the agenda approval. Move to approve the agenda. Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in
favor say I. I. Anyone opposed. All right. Uh let's do the approval of the minutes. If I can get a motion for approval. Move to approve the minutes of March 17, 2025 CRA board meeting. Second. All
right. I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? All right. It passes. Now we'll go for public comments. If there's anyone here that has anything to discuss, you have three minutes to come up and talk your CRA business. Scanning
the room. It's very full, so I think we're going to skip that. All right. We're going to move on to new business. The Harbor CRA master plan. Um, open for discussion if anyone has anything they want to say or discuss about it before
we approve it. All right. Go ahead, Jim. Mr. Bagby, if you can do that for us, Mr. All right, one minute. We'll see him up there. Thank you. Basically, what I brought up with the staff this afternoon
was, and I know we've worked hard on this, but we have three things we're trying to accomplish here. and and it's in there getting to the Harbor District, getting across Harbor Boulevard and getting to the Harbor Boardwalk.
So if you look at our current strategic plan and I know we were supposed to you know bring projects or however people want to do it but in strategic planning you know number 1.1
uh we've done 1.2 we still want to acquire waterfront property 1.3 underground utilities 1.4 4 Stallman US98 pedestrian
1.5 pedestrian access under the Marlor Bridge and 1.6 cross town connector and 1.7 is explore parking options. So that's our current current priority. But if you go down to what we say in our harbor
plan, we say our number one priority and you got to go down. I think y'all will remember where it was in the uh Oh, you were you were just right
there. Yeah. On that slide, what that says is our number one priority. Whoops, there it is. is the Marlor parking street uh a 350 space structure at Marlor
Street parking. that is not our number one priority. Uh that is behind the cross town connector that is behind the Stallman 98 intersection improvements. That is behind the
uh boardwalk under the bridge that is behind lots of things. And so I'm just wondering if we need to uh direct the staff or direct the consultant to
actually make sure the priorities that we say we have in our harbor master plan actually match the priorities that a we're doing, b we've said we want to do in our strategic plan, and just kind of
sync these up because I understand You know, parking is big, but that lot is not full. I I I would never vote to spend a penny to build a 350 parking spot structure that isn't even used with the
surface parking. So, I don't know if I need to make a motion or or what the best way to do that. Okay. Well, I think you need to. Yes, please. Okay. I'll make a motion that we direct staff to re uh prioritize based on our current
strategic plan priorities uh the chart on page 24 of the harbor CRA plan. I have a motion. Have a Can I get a second? I'll second that. And just so I can clarify
for discussion, go ahead, Mr. Mr. Dest. Would it be appropriate to move number one down to number seven and re rearrange because that's where it is on the other list? That's it. Okay. If not, would that work with the motion? Yeah, that works. So the Would you then
correct your motion to say moving it down to number seven? Would that be the correct? And then Dewey, you're seconding that. All right, that's been done. So all those in favor say I if there's no discussion. All right. Do Yeah.
Yeah. Do you want to anyone had anything? Go ahead, Rodney, if you want to say something. I just like to hear from staff was how or why it come up to number one all of a sudden? Can you talk to us about that, city manager? I cannot. U this came through the consultant through the
um CRA advisory committee and so maybe Steve could be better off. Yeah. So this prioritization came through um the the workshops that we had with the CRA advisory committee and then also through the uh the mobility plan um workshops as
well along with the advisory committee themselves prioritizing the projects that were available. So this is this is the conglomeration of all those votes and stickers and whatnot. Go ahead. You want to say something, Mr.
Tram? Just to answer your question, I'm done. Having been on the CRA advisory council when all of this came up, this particular sheet was not introduced. So, it was like one was talking about one thing and didn't know what the other
one was doing. So, lack of communication between the two what our strategic plan was versus what we're putting on. Okay. Rodney, did you have some further? No, I was just trying to figure out where the mishap was or where the miss
that was it why where where it got messed up or crossed at or whatever. So with that motion and the second is there any other discussion on approving this or not. If I may just ask for clarity you're
moving uh one to seven. Do do you want the others rearranged based on the other document as well? I would I I would, but that it's a council decision on this
priority list. And so to to Miss Traml's point, yeah, this was a bunch of folks with the consultant putting stickers on and they were probably all from the harbor because the people in Crystal Beach wouldn't come to a meeting like
that. But, you know, how we got here, I think, is is okay. It's just it we need to make we need to be synced in our planning going forward. And so I would, you know, I would have the cross town
connector and the I would move the bike lane sidewalk improvements down to number six and uh ahead of number seven, you know, based on the plan based on the plan that we are actually operating off of because I want to get
that Stallman intersection obviously the cross town connector and the boardwalk under the bridge. I mean, those are what we say are our still our uh well, waterfront acquisition, but
I just have Can I All right, go ahead, M. Traml. I was going to say, can can we send this back to the Harbor CRA advisory and give them this and say match up what we're doing or do you want staff to do it? I I think more than one thing needs to be matched is what I'm
telling. I was going to say I feel like I I think we probably all agree with Mr. Bagby that we want this to match more on the strate strategic plan because that's where we came from to start with. Um do you have something to say Mr. Yeah. Yeah. I I think the action that would come
from this body as the CRA board would be to make a recommendation to city council to adopt these priorities. So I think if your direction was to align the priorities here with the strategic plan, we could
bring that back to council for council's adoption without going back. Well, yeah, because I'm as much as I love our committees and and have been one of the strongest proponents uh of using the committees, I don't think at
this stage, I mean, we've already taken three years. Yeah, guys. And now it's time to publish a harbor plan. And so I would say uh yeah, my my priorities would be number one would be completion of the
uh cross town connector. Number two would be the Stallman uh 98 or intersection improvements. Number three would be the Harbor Boardwalk under the bridge extension.
Um, number four. Wh I'm sorry. Number four. It's not going down. Hang on. Yeah. Would be the U Harbor Boardwalk East extension. And number five would be the
bike lane sidewalk improvements. And number six and seven would be the uh parking and safety improvements. Probably six would be because we have two sixes. I just
noticed that we have two sixes here. the uh and I should have caught that earlier, but I would say the safety improvements and then the Zerby parking then the Marlor parking as number eight
with that adjusted motion. Do um you have a second on that Mr. Destin. Okay. So with that, any other further discussion on this change? Go ahead, Rodney. I just noticed too. I mean, why is there a got basically got two parking structures?
Another one at 350 to 600 spaces at a community center. I don't even know why that's on there. Well, and I don't remember our initial discussions in 22 and I was on the council in 22, but I know historically
uh when we started the whole harbor thing, we made a promise and a commitment uh to the property owners and to the business owners in the harbor CRA that we would provide parking and we would, you know, the initial plan had three
parking um locations, facilities or whatever. And you know, it was all about we're going to get you parking down there because nobody down there has enough parking for their businesses and they expand and uh so I know we this has just
been one of those things that's kind of hung around. But, uh, if we're not using what we have, I I'm not inclined to start building parking decks cuz they are enormously expensive
u to build. And I'm just I'm I I want to keep them on there because we we made the commitment and if you look at the um the leases on the boardwalk, it is mentioned that the city is committed to providing parking spaces
for this to get that uh area developed. So I I don't want to knock them off at all, but I just don't want them, you know, up at the top. definitely not the number one priority. I I agree. But like I've said in the
past for years is a lot of them down there I don't I don't want to call them liars but untruthful with their parking plans. I mean, I've brought them to the city manager and, you know, they all
using the same parking plans and that's that's somewhat their fault and it's the city's fault as well because we're allowing it to happen and we continue to issuing BTRs. I mean, some of them places down there, one piece of property that's 100
ft wide or, you know, goes to the harbors got, I don't know, 30 or so BTRs on it and they're all using the same parking. So, and we're issuing these BTRs. So, that's why they don't have any parking when we're allowing them to open all these businesses and all these little clubs and all these open air
seating with no parking and all that. So, I mean, that's what I said years ago, we're we're up here breeding it, you know, helping them open all these businesses with no parking. And then they're screaming, "We don't have parking. Y'all need to provide us parking." So, and I I agree, we need parking down there. But I'm like you
said earlier, I've never seen any of them full. Just a flat parking lot. Mhm. um unless it's a holiday or something. So, it's going to be hell bent for me to to get on board with building a parking garage. But until, you know, they start being truthful with their parking
plans or, you know, the city somehow figures out how to I thought this whole compass thing was going to help all that when somebody came in and they issued a parking plan. Here's my parking. Well, when it get put in the system, it get kicked back out because it's already been used. You know, those parking
plates already been counted for. Um, so I've been arguing about it for years. I don't know what the answer is or how if it's even possible, but um, I just hate to, you know, keep saying it's the city's responsibility to provide them parking, you know, when we're allowing
that kind of thing to happen. That's all I have to say. Thanks. All right. Um, Mr. G. Sir, you making a motion to pull that one off? No. Okay. Just a question. I was just trying to figure out where we were. Thank you, sir.
All right. Well, with that a motion and a second and the discussion, is there any further discussion? Are we going to keep the order that he just said because I'm all for that. That's what Dewey seconded the order that Mr. Bagby gave us, right? You see it? Okay. Are you good with that, Tori?
So, let's take a vote. All those in favor of the current say I. I. I. Anyone opposed? Okay. Madam Chair, just to be clear to bring back to the city council the list
as as Mr. Bagby read it off, that's the current approved list that all council here today are saying that's the that's the list we want. Okay. And in that order. Fair enough. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. All right. With that closed issue, the last thing we have is uh public comments. If we have anyone that would
like to come up and speak at this time, any public people here? Okay. person. He's just he's just coming in for the heck of it. All right, with no other public comments, I'll close this meeting at uh 5:45. Thank you. Ajourned. Part: 2
Today is May 19th, 2025, and the core value of the month is teamwork. All right, up first is going to be the invocation by our one and only David Butler. Shall we pray? Heavenly Father, we thank you for the privilege to be
here tonight. We thank you for our beautiful community. Lord, we just pray this week a special prayer of protection upon all those that will come into our city, those that are here visiting now. We pray for our first responders. We
pray for those that are watching out. We just ask, Lord, that you would put a hedge of protection about us and be the Lord over our community. We thank you for this evening for our uh civil servants here tonight. We ask that you would bless this city council and the
meeting and everything we do be pleasing to you. Now your blessings in Numbers chapter 6 is this. Now may the Lord bless you and keep you. May his face shine upon you and be gracious towards you. May he give you his peace. Amen.
Thank you for that. Councilwoman Abear with the pledge. Thank you. Please join me with your hand over your heart. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. All right, thank you for that. We got two proclamations cuz it is about summertime and we have a lot to celebrate. All right. The first one's going to be the National Public Works Week. Yes, sir. Come on up. Come on down on the the
Price is Right. All right. So, National Public Works Week that is going to be May 18th through the 24th of 2025. People, purpose, and presence. Whereas, public works professionals focus on infrastructure, facilities, and services that are of vital importance to
sustainable and resilient communities and to public health, high quality of life, and well-being of the people of Destin. And whereas these infrastructures, facilities and services do not be could not be provided without the dedicated efforts of our own public
work professionals who are engineers, managers and employees at all levels of government and the private sector who are responsible for rebuilding, improving and protecting our nation's transportation, water supply, water
treatment and solid waste systems. public public buildings and other structures and facilities essential for our citizens. And whereas it is in the public's interest for the citizens, civic leaders and children in destined to gain knowledge of and the maintenance
and ongoing interest as the under for the understanding of the importance of public works and public works programs in their respected communities. And whereas the year 2025 marks the 65th annual National Public Works Week
sponsored by American Public Works Association. Now therefore, I, Mayor Bobby Wagner, do hereby designate the week of May 18th through the 24th, 2025 as National Public Work Week. I urge all citizens to join with your representatives of the American Public
Work Association and government agencies in activities, events, and ceremonies designed to pay tribute to our public works professionals. So, with that, anything you would like to add? Normally I do, but um I can't help
myself. No, I am very proud of my team. Uh we accomplish amazing things here in the city of Dest for its citizens. And if you have any uh questions or comments or service requests, feel free to reach out at our website www.c cityofestin.com
or call the telephone number 850837-6869. We also have a couple of job openings right now. So, if you want to enjoy uh your work life and have it balanced with your personal life, it's fantastic. Work for the city's public
works department. Come see us. Uh www.c cityofd.com. Job opportunities. That's all I've got. All right. Thank you. Yes. Oh, I get two of them. Oh, no. All right. Thank you.
After the water is treated, it goes out to Chakahachi Bay and then we all go boating. National Safety Boating Week. All right. City of Dustin Proclamation. Whereas for over 100 million Americans Oh, I'm sorry. If everyone from uh
Okaloosa Walton Sheriff's, FWC, and the Coast Guard, please join me up here. Fire department. And fire department. Of course, you got the newest boat out there. No offense. and jumping on this side, too.
All right. Whereas for over 100 million Americans, boating is a popular activity in Destin, the Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office, Florida Fish and Wildlife, FWC, United States Coast Guard, USCG, and Destin Fire DF. You guys are the only
ones that don't have an acronym. valuable services and are sometimes the unsung heroes to those taking the water to enjoy boating, sailing, paddling, and fishing. Whereas during National Safety Boating Week, we encourage all Boers to remember that safety bo safe boating
begins with preparation. And whereas the Coast Guard estimates that human air accounts for most boating accidents and that life jackets could prevent nearly 75% of the boating fatalities. Therefore, basic boating safety procedures, carrying life carrying
life-saving emergency distress and communication equipment, wearing life jackets, attending safe boating courses, and participating in free boat safety checks, and staying sober when navigating can be help can help endure boating, ensure boating in Destin and
the surrounding area stay safe throughout the season. And whereas on average 650 people die each year in boating related accidents in the US, 75 75% of these are fatalities caused by drowning. And whereas a significant
number of boers who lose their lives by drowning each year could have stayed alive had they have worn a life safety jacket. Now therefore, I, Mayor Bobby Wagner, do hereby support the goal of the safe boating campaign and proclaim
May 8 17th through the 23rd, 2025 as National Safe Boating Week in the city of Dest and and the start of the year around efforts to promote safe boating for our locals and tourists alike. So, with that, thank you guys so much for being here. I'm just going to pass the
mic down and just let us know who you are and how you help uh keep our water safe. Perfect. Senior Chief Mangus, Coastg Guard Station Destin officer in charge. Uh I just want to say thank you for this incredible partnership with uh these fellows here and the city of Destin to
promote the safety on the water, especially around Crab Island in Dest. Awesome. BM2 Dylan Proct. I'm one of the duty coxins at station Dest. So I uh drive the boats. Jason Fulge of Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office. Among other things, I'm the
captain over the Beach Marine Unit. Uh just want to thank these guys up here in the city. It's partnerships like this that have caused us to come out of the top 10% in vessel crashes in the state of Florida. Most people don't realize that Okaloosa County per capita has more
registered vessels on the water than any other county in the state of Florida. People that don't realize that are the ones that aren't on Crab Island on a Saturday. But uh but yeah, I just appreciate the the teamwork that takes place. There's two hot topics I want to bring to everybody's attention coming
up. One is the uh voter education training. We're trying to get that into the local schools. Uh so when you see that, please support that. And another one that's coming back in front of the legislation is uh several years ago they uh they rescended the law about bow
riding. That's coming back up uh for discussion. So, please, please, uh, if you have the opportunity to speak to your congressman, uh, support them bringing back u making it illegal for him to bow ride again. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm Sheldon Barllet, one
of the field supervisors for Okaloosa County. Uh, we we appreciate the invite tonight. Um, glad we're able to be here with you guys. Obviously, working with all of our partner agencies is what makes us successful. Um, as you guys know, we're all about um, boating
safety, resource enforcement. Uh, we're the primary agency that does the boating accidents around here. Um, so if you guys need anything from us, feel free to reach out. We're always available. Thank you. Bobby Anderson, Battalion Chief, Destin Fire Department. Uh, these gentlemen
here have said it all. We, uh, we are certainly appreciative um, and honored for being recognized in this setting. So, thank you. Thank you, Mayor. And I just wanted to uh announce to you last year uh Mayor Wagner, the Coast Guard responded to approximately
150 cases of search and rescue um throughout the throughout the year. And one of those cases involved a uh sevenmonth-old infant drowning um which the crew was able to resuscitate and uh
one of those crew members was just recognized as the USO service member of the year for the entire Coast Guard and will be headed up to DC at the end of this month. So uh boating safety is vital to us here and uh we're definitely getting the recognition in Destin. Thank
you so much. I appreciate everyone got the photo. All right. Thank you guys so much for being here. Appreciate it. Okay, thank you everyone for recognizing those awesome heroes on the water and for our public works
heroes. Anything goes wrong, we certainly get to know how to handle it and these guys make it happen whether it's water or on the boat. And so with that, we'll move on to the public comments. If anyone here wishes to speak, uh the only thing that I will ask you guys to hold your remarks for is
anything of the public comment or the public hearings. uh 5 A, B or C. Uh there will be a separate public comments for those specific. Other than that, is anyone here that would wish to speak? Seeing none, I'll close the public comments and I will move to the
consent agenda. Do I hear a motion? Motion to approve. Have a motion with a second. We got we got we we got some extra staff over there. I want to make sure we get this going. All right, with that, I'll call the vote. All right.
Over. All right. All right. Councilman Braden, take us home. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. That is a 6 unanimous vote. So moved. Moving on to the city manager report. Mr. Larry
Jones. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item 4A is a report on the final vulnerability assessment and adoption plan. We have uh representatives from Dubberry Engineering here tonight to make that presentation. At the conclusion of the presentation, uh we would ask while it
was listed in your agenda as justformational, I think it would be appropriate for action to uh approve and accept their recommendations as we move forward seeking funding for some of them. All right. Thank you. All right. Just push that gray button.
Oh, on the mic itself. Yep. Yep. There you go. All right. You're on. Hello everyone. Uh Rudy Maul here with Dubberry Engineers. Uh we're going to give a quick little overview on the vulnerability assessment that we did as well as the adaptation plan. Uh with me today I have Hannah Hart. She was the
lead role on this project. Uh without her I don't think this could have been done. So just want to give her a quick shout out. Um so I don't have the clicker for the slides, but I'll just go through them really quick. So project overview. The study was completed in March a couple months ago. The project
was 100% funded by state funds through the uh resilient Florida grant program uh through D. And so we analyzed and collected assets for flood vulnerability and we prioritized mitigation projects and the uh the complete VA is
going to allow for Destin to apply for additional state funding uh NGO and federal funding programs. Uh quick recap of the vulnerability assessment. So the the flood haz hazard exposure part that we did the sources of flooding that we evaluated under current and future
conditions they included title storm surge rainfall compound um that exhibit up there is for that 100year storm surge event. You guys all have a copy of the report. This is all within that report. So if you guys have any questions you
can skim through that. Um, so the the results we we tailor through the scores and we rank the assets ba based on their flood risk. Uh, so there's a a little key diagram how we rank the assets. Uh, the the next slide is a sample or it's a
map with the sample locations that that come across are um our critical assets. So the the Heritage Run storm water pumps is shown there as well as the Harbor Boulevard communication facility. Uh the Destin Harbor pump shown there as well as well as the comm communication
facilities there on holiday is uh the next map is the natural asset vulnerability map. Some examples that are shown on here are the Matt M Kelly Park for prong lake of course and then your Noriega point beach access.
uh part of the VA is that we got the LMS letter adopted with the county's LMS plan. And so, you know, after the VA was complete, um adaptation planning was done to assess the adaptive capacity of the projects as well as develop
strategies to mitigate the vulnerability assets. Um so stakeholders uh identified primary categories of resilience challenges to address. We held several public uh private workshops with uh city staff. And so some some of the um the key
challenges were, you know, does the city have funding? Uh does the city have public support for this type of project? Factors like that were considered important. Um and so the next slide you have the proposed adaptation actions. We have them ranked one being
there is the I think the Joe's Bayou uh boat ramp and then number two shown there is the Maddie Kelly outfall part. Yeah, Matty Kelly Park outfall. And then the next slide is just samples of how we um rated the uh the
projects that are shown in the adaptation plan. And so the the more important thing you guys are wondering is the the path moving forward. So what this plan does it, you know, it it obviously provides a
um uh a ticket into getting uh additional resilient grant funding. So the funding that we could or the city could uh obtain is you could get 100% match funding through the the uh the planning
um sorry through the um through the planning grants which is um conceptual design uh site plans. And as far as getting uh funding for design and construction, there is a uh a 50% match
as required for nonDCO communities. So there's approximately about 20 million available in the planning funds um and then approximately 200 million available in the final design and
construction uh grant projects. Um, for now I'll turn it to you guys if you have any questions from your guys's assessment. Um, I know we you talked about it briefly. Is there an assessment on like shovel ready projects after you guys identified the areas? Is
there did we or did you guys go into what we have ready to go moving forward? So we we went through a list of projects and prioritized them in the adaptation plan. I think number one at the top of the list was the four-prongong lake project. Okay.
Um, unfortunately I don't I don't think that would would be ready to turn dirt. Um, you know, the next project in line, I don't have that list in front of me. Uh, let's see here. Oh, that's a Yeah. Oh, Hannah. The short
answer is yes. We did part of the adaptive capacities part of the adapt adaptive capacities assessment with the 16 city staff that we worked with. That was a factor or a metric per se, okay, in addressing and
prioritizing those projects was shovel ready, um public support. There were several metrics that we aligned with projects to prioritize them. Oh, perfect. Did that answer your question? Yes. Yep. Yes. Awesome. Yeah. I didn't mean to put you on the spot with it. Cool. Um, any other
questions? Seeing none from council. All right. I'll entertain a motion. Motion to approve and accept and approve as presented. I'll second that. All right. Motion in a second. See no further discussions. Call the vote.
Thank you. Thank you guys for being here. All right, CG vocal vote. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. I have it so moved unanimously. Mr. Jones, before we move to item 4B, I meant to do
this before 4 A, but I want to make sure we recognize Robert Thomack, our new city engineer. First day on the job. He's hitting the ground running and uh we're excited to have him on board. So, welcome Robert. Welcome aboard. Item 4B is regarding the pickle ball uh
contract with BGN Contractors. uh if you recall that was the firm that we awarded the contract to. So this contract reflects the uh terms and conditions that we lined out at that time. Um if you approve this we will move forward with a limited notice to proceed which
will be no more than some of the permitting uh until we get final approval on the $300,000 from the county which we should get at the their first meeting in June. But we don't want to get too far ahead of that. We feel very com confident that that's going to
happen, but until it's um voted on, we're not 100% sure. So, we we won't get too far down the path, but we do want to get started on the permitting and the other components that are not a lot of money involved in. So, we need to bring a bunch of pickle people to their county board meeting. Please do. I've always wanted a reason
to buy a paddle. All right. All right. With that, uh do I have an entertain a motion for 4B? I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second that. All right. I got a motion by Councilman Bagby, second by Councilwoman Abear, uh, Councilman
Braden. Um, do we have um I guess our engineer or somebody's going to be overseeing this project. That will be either through my office with uh Jeff and I or the engineer. And we haven't told him that yet, but he'll
get the hints real soon. Thank you. All right. Good deal. Anything else? Yes, sir. Jeff, did you have something to add? Yeah, I I can add that we have Matrix on board to oversee the day-to-day operations on that. So, they'll be doing
that. Great. All right. Seeing no further discussions, we'll call the vote. I think we're ready. Is it working? Yeah. All right. I have it. So move 6 unanimous. All right. Item 4 C is a response uh from the FDOT
regarding the request to uh put the uh delineators between the uh turn lane and the westbound traffic at 98 and airport road. Uh there's a copy in your package of their response which they basically
said thanks but no thanks. uh that in in nutshell we do not recommend the installation of physical delineator post between the westbound through lanes and the bike lane. So they did not look favorably on that. Uh we are going to reach out to them and ask for perhaps
some larger better signage that will indicate that you know you're about to enter into a right turn only lane and hopefully that will help alleviate some of the issues we're having there. Any discussion? All right, seeing none. Oh, yep. Council
Destin, um, if you can please ask them to if they have the information, how many accidents have been there because I've seen a pile. I I think we provided them that information in in their in their workup. But we'll make sure they have if
they haven't, but I believe we did. Okay. We'll follow up on that, though. I was just going to let it the the rest of the council know that I suggested that they put a um at the corner right where you turn down to come to city hall
on 98 there one of those big signs that looks like it's on an interstate that says the right right lane ends in half a mile so people can begin instead of waiting till it goes down at the track and it's on that curve and nobody can see around it until you get there.
That's part of the problem. But anyway, and believe it or not, I asked for that when they were putting that four lane in right there and didn't get it at that time. So, let's hope we get it this time. All right. Fair point. Anyone else? All right.
Item 4 D is regarding our animal control services contract with Paul's. Um, we've been negotiating with Paul's what we think was in good faith. They may not have thought so. um as you know their um contract expired 2 or 3 months
ago and we've been back and forth with them. Um they came back with a number that was about a 30 plus% increase um from $5 per capita to $6.50 per capita which we went from about 69,000 to a
little over 90,000. Um, we countered at what we found to be the county's unincorporated per capita rate of about $5.75. Uh, they were not inclined to entertain that through our negotiation.
So looking for another avenue, we reached out to the county and based on some conversation with the Paul's executive director. Uh they're anticipating having to renegotiate the county contract for unincorporated Okaloosa County sometime later this
summer. So I reached out to the county and asked if they would be um amenable to us joining in their negotiations to perhaps get some economies of scale. they were and went back to Paul's and asked if they would continue on our
month-to-month agreement and let us join in the county in that negotiation and they said they'd be glad for us to do that as well. So, just looking for some direction if we want to continue as we are and join the county later in the summer uh in a negotiation with PAS or
whatever other avenues may be available or to re-engage pause and come back with their best and final offer. Uh, Councilwoman Traml, I'd like to make the suggestion that that you uh partner with the county. Okay.
Um, going forward at that point. Yeah, I agree. Uh, would you like that in a motion? Would you like that motion? Well, I will make that motion. Okay. Perfect. And I'll second it. All right. Further discussion. I seconded it. Right.
Seeing none. All right. We'll call the vote. Yeah, y'all are quicker than Ray 6. So moved. Item 4E are draft minutes from your standing boards and committees and that's for information only, but give you two or three um
announcements. The cross town connector uh mandatory pre-bid meeting will be this Wednesday and that uh closing date for that will be June the 9th. So hopefully by the second meeting in June, we will have a recommendation um to bring to you to for a contractor to move
that forward. Live Oak Fiber, um we had some good talks with Live Oak. We've got their attention. They have posted a half million dollar bond to ensure that when they leave the city, we're we're left whole. That covers our utility providers
as well. Uh beyond that we have uh allowed them to go back to work but on a very limited basis. They can do their installs or their uh cook up their end users but as far as boring or drilling um any digging. We're only
going to allow them work one permit at a time which will be one location. When they finish that one, we close it out and we know that everything's uh back whole, they can go to a new one. Uh so we're looking forward to that and we're um to that end we have a new provider
Crown Castle that has notified us that they will be coming to the city fairly soon. But we will tell them we're full. We will start with these folks where we're ending with Live Oak. Uh you know, we're going to be very limited on um no
more citywide permits. You're going to get one per permit at a time. we're going to know where you're working and we're going to close one out before we issue another one. So, um, so that uh the it's been brought to our attention that the welcome to Destin sign at the
west foot of the bridge needs some attention. So, we're working on getting that new face put on that sign in next couple of weeks probably. I do have uh Councilwoman Traml. Yeah, it it says standing boards and committees instead of announcements. So, that's why I was
checking. Um, I've had several questions about um the flags that the utilities are putting out there to mark where those things are and they've been there so long and people are pulling them up and it's my understanding that you can actually be fined for pulling them up.
I'd like some clarification on that. And um do they need I know they can only last so long. I mean they're they've been there for months in some cases. So, what happens when we're only giving these permits for a shorts amount of
time and they're not being pulled up or they're not being used or whatever and the flags are still out there. I'm not sure I have a great answer for that. However, I would anticipate if we're limiting their scope of work, there's no need to go put out a
lot of flags until you know where you're going to work next. Um and um so I would hope that by bringing raining in those working areas that'll be minimized and uh if I'm missing the point, you know, get with me later. We'll we'll see
exactly what we've got going. Well, I just wondered if Miss Cop had any information on pulling up those flags and removing those flags from your front yard and that kind of stuff. under our code. I I don't think we specifically talked to about flags. Mr.
Burgess, are you aware of anything like that? I'm not aware of any, you know, penalty for pulling the flags up. However, uh when we do when the city calls in a dig ticket, uh we'll put out white flags and then once that locate call has been
registered with 811, the utility companies typically have 72 hours to mark their facilities within that white flagged area and then a a dig ticket is good for 30 days. And if you don't accomplish your work at the end of 30 days, you're
supposed to call in for a new locate. Yeah, I just piggy back off that helps. Treml's uh comment. I have had a lot of emails of hey, they they they I think they're done in my street. Can I pull them up now? So, I think just as a piggyback as we're going to go one for one, perhaps one of their checklist
things is all right, you're done. Pull up the flags now. Let's move as just a one of the check boxes. Good job, my All right, moving right along. Good evening. I do have a number of announcements. Tonight begins the 2025
county mosquito control spraying. As part of the weekly spray schedule, the Crystal Beach area will be treated on Monday evenings and West Dest will be treated on Tuesday evenings and we have um more details listed on our Facebook page. Um and the last post about uh what
to do if you don't want your area sprayed, um exact timing, all of that sort of stuff is listed on our Facebook page. This Saturday, our Morgan Sports Center children's playground will reopen with all the fixings. We've got new equipment including ADA and inclusive equipment, shading, and more. So, uh,
huge congratulations and thank you to the parks and rec folks and everyone else was that was involved in making this happen. Yes. We will be doing a ribbon cutting at a later date. We're kind of doing a I won't even say it's a soft launch, right, Lisa? But we're launching it.
People are really excited and we didn't want to uh wait to open it. It's Memorial Day weekend, so I'm proud of you to do that. Early's good. Yeah. Perfect. Uh, and speaking of Memorial Day, that's of course Monday, May 26th. The American Legion will host a celebration that day at 11:00 a.m. that
the public is invited to attend. It'll be held at the Destin Memorial Center uh, cemetery, and then the public is invited to go back to the Legion afterwards for food and refreshments. City offices will be closed that day. With summer here, a reminder that our
community center has half-day camps, uh, over 24 plus specialty ones with all different topics. um super fun topics from Shark Week to music events to mad scientist week. So, we're really hoping that um parents that are tuning in
tonight with a live stream will consider registering their kiddos. We've looked into the utility box wraps uh more as council has requested recently. Uh we mentioned before that each wrap cost about $1,200 to $1,500. And we have identified a
potential location for the next wrap and that would be the green box near the church on the corner of Maine and airport. There are there are boxes on kitty corner on main airport and the green box is owned by FPL. So they are going to meet with us this week to talk
about whether they want to continue their wrapping program or not. Um and we do have a few businesses already that have expressed potential interest in helping support this. We did have our City of Destin Leadership Academy kickoff last week on
May 14th. We have 25 staff members participating and it's a seven-part series and Lisa Gunderson from Northwest Florida State College is the facilitator and Jamie Haynes, our HR director, will be reaching out to all of you up there u all of you council members to see about
your availability to meet with one of the classes that's going through. June 9th, we have our workshop to talk about SRS results for the town center and improvements throughout various city spaces. Doors will open at the annex
here at 5:00 p.m. and we will have community development staff available for those that want to walk around and view the boards uh in case you hadn't seen those at one of the previous workshops. So that'll the doors will open at 5:00 and then the meeting will begin at 5:30 p.m. and the public is
encouraged to come out to that. And finally, the Dustin History and Fishing Museum is undergoing renovations and they have a 13 foot marlin and they have asked if we could hold on to that. So we appreciate the Destin and History
Fishing Museum for allowing us to have that for a couple years. It will mirror what's up there right now. It will be located over here. So, thanks to the museum, but also a huge thanks to public works because they're going to be the ones that are helping actually get that 13 foot marlin up there.
And that's all I have. Awesome. Thank you so much. Right. All right, Kim. Public hearings. Miss C. Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance 255cc, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, relating to livery vessels, amending article 8, registration of livery vessels of the
city code of ordinances, amending provisions related to transferability of permits, providing for additional required training and safety measures, providing for findings of fact, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. This is first reading. Awesome. Thank you for that. With this being first reading of
the public hearing, if anyone from the public wishes to speak on this, this is your time to do so. Come on. Happy Chuck Hires, 316 Harbor Boulevard. Thanks for listening to me tonight. Um, I've just got one issue. I don't I don't
disagree with all the the moratorum and keeping track of all that kind of stuff, but and I believe I'm pretty sure I'm the only one and I've this is the third time that I requested and I don't see anything in here. Maybe it needs to be done separately, but I made a
significant investment in purchasing some based on future development, future growth. The city approved it. I paid over 100 grand for them. So, if let me read this exactly, if they could be automatically
returned to the city and made available to other applicants, which means basically you could take my hundred plus,000 and give it to somebody else. Now, I wouldn't have spent that money if I'd have known that this was coming here. I made it based on
previous rules. So, to come in and enact this rule on me now, that's just not right. It I mean, you'd be taking my assets, you'd be taking my my investment and part of my company and giving it to other people. Now, everything else I I
don't I don't I don't have a problem with it. But like again, I made that based on it. You approved it. Please don't give my assets to somebody else. how and and when it's based on time. I'm not sure of that because the development that's that's going on is not mine but I
will be utilizing it. So that takes time as well. So when I bought it, it was based on hey this moratorium is going to last this long and I was going to use it then if that makes sense. Any questions?
I'm lost. Yeah, I'm I'm lost. What is it you're going to use? my livery my livery. So I bought 17 more livery licenses cuz they were allowed to be sold. So and right now my current property my parking restricts me from that. So I was going to I'm going to use
those somewhere else in the future. And now you're telling me that hey if I don't use them in 10 days then I'm going to I could give the you could take those back from me and give them to somebody else. I don't think that's true. But it says it says it right here. It says automatically returned to the city of
Destin and made available to other applicants. Oh, it's actually 180 days. The 10day is just notice to the city. Oh, well, no, even 180 days. That's 6 months from now. I mean, developments can take a years, you know, that's that's not what I when
I purchased them, there was no time limit on when I had to to use them. I just knew this project was going to be happening and I'm like, "Hey, I want to be ahead of this game." And I y I came to you. You approved the purchase. I spent the money. Now you're Now you're telling me you could take that money
away from me in 6 months. Gotcha. Uh, have you started the Oh, sorry. I think Kim is clarifying it right now. Am I right, Kim? Are you looking for the No, it's 180 days. Yeah. Council bag 180 days. I I appreciate that. Uh, Mr. City
Manager, could you explain how we got to the 490 total? I want I have a couple of questions. can explain the 490. So the 490 vessels covers everyone that is a legally permitted livery vessel
currently under the moratorum plus the boat club and the 11 yachts that are expected to register within the two years that they have to become legal pursuant to the ordinance that we just passed um within the past couple months. So it's basically whoever is legally a
livery vessel now, not anyone new. Okay. And uh my question for you, it does include it does include habits. It does include his and that I understand that. I understood that. But what's the development that because here
here's a there's a couple of developments I'm not sure are ever going to actually be developed, right? And that could be true. And so you you're going to be short there. What what's the development that you think those livery
vessel licenses? It's not mine. So, could I take I mean, can I come to you privately and say that cuz I'm not I'm not that's not my project and I don't want to give other people's information with the public cuz I don't know what's Sure. I can do that after the Okay. Uh because here here's my concern. Anybody
could come to us and say, "Hey, I I talked to my brother-in-law and, you know, he's going to do a development out on Holiday Isle or in the harbor on the north, you know, side of the harbor and 15 years from now, uh, do we lock up 17
and and I appreciate the investment you made and I think we ought to protect you, but at what how long should we protect you to say, you know, dude, you've you've locked up 17 licenses for 20 years. I mean,
that at some point it just seems like we made a mistake. Well, I can appreciate that as well, but again, I'm pretty sure your brother-in-law didn't spend 125,000 on some and won't be coming here. I'm the only person I think, and I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm the only
person that that bought some under the moratorum for that. So, that's what I'm saying. and I didn't have it if now that I knew the investment would be lost if the mortorium ended. So that was my thought process if that if cuz if you don't redo
the mortorium although I believe you will and I'm in support of it to keep it you know because we are such a small harbor um and and and agree with all of those reasons that I would have lost it if those moratorium ended and then anybody could do it. Okay. So have you
already bought the boats? Are they already registered with the state? No, I have I have not bought boats for these liveries because I have no place to put them yet. Okay. So, and and you paid the city for how many? 17 licenses. 17.
That's correct. And I still pay for those every year. I still pay the the the delivery fee to, you know, to keep them active so I'm not like falling behind. But you gave the ch y the yacht charters two years and that they haven't even been in compliance and you're telling me six months, too. So even
that, you know, I'm just saying you you government should not take money from one company and give it to other people. That's just that's not right. And y'all approve this sale. So to change the rules now is it's I'm okay with changing the rules, but not if you're going to
you make somebody suffer and being punished. That's all that's all I'm saying. I'm trying to protect my company's investment, and I would not have made that investment if I would have known that y'all were going to go down this path. Awesome. Thank you. We got plenty more to go. Cosm. Oh, sorry.
So, when did you say you bought these uh licenses? Uh, a year ago. One year. Wait, what year is this? When did I buy those? I don't know. A year and a half ago. Yeah, that sounds How much is a license? How much is a license? Just out of
curiosity. Delivery ve registration is a hundred per vessel. $100. Yeah, that's what I pay yearly. Yes. So you you paid $1,700, not $100,000. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I bought these from somebody else who owned them.
Okay. From another livery company who was going out of business and they were the y'all allowed them to sell them because there was a moratorum. So I bought from them. I paid another company for these and I still pay my 1,700 every year. Yeah. That's
like if you invest in stock and the stock crashes, that's on you. I mean, you're not stock. You're a government changing the rules. That is not the same thing. Not even close. Private entity. You made that with a private entity, not us. That you approve the purchase. Okay. So, what I would suggest and rather than
the back and forth on a one person, I would suggest that the council decide what they want the ordinance to be and what the policy is. And then if there is, I'm not saying there is, but if we determine that there is an adversely affected party, we can deal with it.
separately, but let's figure out the policy that the council wants and and that's how we've handled delivery vessels all along. So, okay, Councilman Dest, I'm okay with that. I guess I'm done. Oh, I'm sorry. No, keep going. No, no, go ahead. Am I done? No, no, you're
still going. No, okay. I got a couple of questions. Um, 180 days. What do you fail to do for that 180 days to come into play? You fail to register and if you fail to operate, then you would lose your your
uh permit would be revoked. But if you register, you you have to fail to do both or just one. That's how it is currently, but you know, this is a discussion we can change. That's exactly where I was going with it. the gentleman spent $100,000 buying those those uh medallions, but
I'd say he's keeping them active by registering. My opinion, he is. Um and I noticed that it appears the ordinance says long as you can sell them as long you they're attached to a boat. That seems to be a back door for letting
you sell them. So, that's already in the ordinance. you know, can we grandfather someone who bought his certificates before the enactment of this ordinance if that's another way? It's just that uh you know, in good faith, we bought those. We were allowing people to sell
them because I had heard some other people sell them. I've been involved in numerous um moratorum type situations with fishing licenses and so have all the charter boats. They own a federal fishery license right now and it's worth money thousands because the federal
government says yep you bought it and you participated and you can sell it. So this runs contrary to that and that that's also been the way the state has done with uh with mortorium moratorum type situation. So, you know, if we put
notice for people in the future, eh, but not not to penalize this gentleman that spent money in good faith when we were allowing them to sell them. So, we need to figure a way around that. And uh I'll make a motion when everybody else gets to talk or you can tell us the best way
in your opinion to do it, Miss Cop. But I think it's still what I said. I think you all should choose the policy and then we deal with the adversely affected parties separately. And that's consistent with what we've done all along since 2017. I can think of several
that have separate agreements with the city because prior to the change being made, they were um operating or spending money. In fact, the entire moratorum is based on that, right? Because we don't allow any more livery vessels, but if you were a business operating at that
time, you were grandfathered in. So this is consistent with what we've always done to put into place the policy you want and then we will review the adversely affected individuals and decide what needs to be done. When everybody else has their chance to talk then I can make a motion. I would also
point out that the economic statement that is accompanied this is not accurate at all in my opinion. All of these business have a very strong economic uh footprint in their equipment in their businesses that they go and so to tell
them if you don't renew or you don't operate that economic investment is gone is a pretty substantial economic impact in my opinion and the the report seems to say it's minimal. It's far from minimal right because there's not a change the code already had that in it
and so that's why I think staff made that determination. It's the code currently says that they are not transferable. Code currently says that. Yes, it does, but we're we're changing it to say that you can transfer the permit with the
vessel. Okay. All right. Go back in. Yeah. So, basic basically what I was going to ask a second ago, but it falls back into what you're saying now is what do you think the time limit should be? I mean, do you think somebody should be able to
hold a a medallion for 20 years or do you think they need to start enacting because right now we're looking at a year and a half, six months gives him two years and he still hasn't done anything. I mean, at what point is there a limit where he needs to start enacting? I think if they don't pay the registrations every year, yeah, then it
goes bye-bye. And and as far as this gentleman, he should be grandfathered in my opinion. Uh, Councilman uh, Councilwoman Abear. Thanks, Mayor. Um, I agree with what Dewey was saying and I know that what we need to do is pass this, but you
need to be grandfathered in. You've already invested in what you were told and what we believed would be consistent with what they do with the fisheries. Um, selling a license, you know, families done fishing, but that hole and what they're allowed to bring in, selling that off, you've already
invested a ton of money. So, I think you can already tell from those of us, you're going to have the backing to get you in a grandfather position because you've invested with good faith. So, I wouldn't worry about that. We'll take care of this to put it on the books for
future, but we'll make sure that you're looked at in a separate light because you're already well invested and consistently paying to stay invested. Yes. Now, thank you. Yes, sir. Councilman Bagby. Yeah. So, couple of things. Yeah. I
don't I don't think by the way this is written, we actually have to grandfather anything. As long as you keep it active, you can keep it act. You pay your $1,700 a year, you keep it active for 20 years, but you're paying $1,700 a year uh to
keep it active. So, yeah, there's no all Yeah. Uh the only problem is we got to figure out how to ha have it in there without it being linked to registration because right now my understanding is they have to be linked to registration. The I have I
have an issue. I have two issues. Uh the 180 days I think is too long. I think it ought to be 60 days. And here's why. If you got your license, if you got your whatever we want to call them on March 1st because you got it before spring
break started comes around to March 1st and it's time for you to renew. Okay? If you don't renew on March 1st, but you just keep operating and we don't catch you, you're operating for basically a spring
break and a summer season illegally. Okay? So, I would give them 60 days, the spring break period. You got 60 days to come in and renew. Uh, but after that, we're going to revoke your license and you're going to lose it
for the summer season. And then we give it to the code guys uh to to come in because there there's 180 days. I mean, I can get two years out of one $1,700 license. And that that just doesn't seem
fair to me. Uh the other issue I have is there ought to be uh some limit I guess on how long you can not hold on or when you transfer it
because here here's the problem I'm trying to solve. Just like you said, I have a boat. Uh my boat's worth $20,000. I sell you my boat for $80,000 because I've got a medallion. Basically,
you just spent $60,000 for a medallion and $20,000 for a boat. And we we just shift this little game that we're trying to stop. And I'll give the credit to the city manager, he when he and I were talking about this, he he had this idea
and I was like, "Okay, uh yeah, we we don't want that to happen." So I would say if you transfer the boat, which is allowed, you sell the boat and you have that license that goes with that boat for you have to keep it
for at least two years. So, you can't sell me a 1970 pontoon boat for $60,000 and then turn around the next day and transfer that to a brand new
pontoon pontoon boat because that I I just think there there ought to be some mechanism in this ordinance that says, "Yeah, you can sell the boat, but you got to keep and operate that boat with that license for two years." I mean, unless it gets hit by a barge or
the Coast Guard or whatever, but there there's got to be something that we don't we don't just move the flipping of the licenses into a a different thing. So, those are the only two issues I have with the ordinance. Otherwise, I agree
with everything y'all done, everything y'all said. Uh, but I just I foresee two minor problems I want to make sure we we fix. And and mayor, I apologize cuz I punched my button when Mr. Harris was up here. And actually, we
need to have the public part. So, I'll Okay. Only if you say so. Uh, Councilman Braden. Um, so I'm sorry. Yes. Let's uh let's get through this and then Yeah, we'll keep it going. All right. So, let's get through the full full discussion from the council. Councilman Bri, it's a public. Okay. You want to
cut it off? All right. Anyone else from the public who wishes to speak on this topic? All right, John Stevens, 4025 Indian Trail. Appreciate the discussion on this. Um, the logic of having the uh registration assigned to a vessel is so
that there wasn't someone just sitting on the medallion and uh and just holding on to it forever. So, if it was assigned to a vessel, then it was it was pretty much attached to something. Um, currently you're allowed to transfer a
uh a registration from one vessel to another vessel internally. So if you have a broken vessel, you could transfer it over. Um, currently you can also transfer a registration from business A to business B. Um, and with this
ordinance, it was made it made it to where you can transfer the registration from I'm going to make sure I say it right cuz it was confusing before. Um, from vessel A as long as it's assigned to a registered vessel to another vessel
from from business B. So, as long as it's going from vessel to vessel, the thing is you just don't want that registration to go from a vessel to air and now someone's holding on to it forever. That was the logic on that part. Does that make sense? Okay, that's all I got. Awesome.
All right. Anyone else wish to speak on this topic? All right, seeing none, I'll close the public comments and Councilman Braden. Thanks. Um, does anybody have the real short version of how we got to where we're at
with these so-called medallions? So I remember we came up with it to I I think to know how many vessels we had in harbor or how many pontoons because there was so many of them and some was saying they had 10 and they really had 15 or 12 and all of a sudden it went
from I've been identify how many vessels to something that this gentleman paid over $7,000 for a piece for these so-called medallions and then now it's just looking like it's just dwarfed into this huge thing that just got way out of control. I mean
staff counted all of the livery vessels that have been registered from the start of the mor moratorum to now added the 11 yachts that we know have been operating um that we gave two years to come into
compliance with the bathrooms and the parking um and the boat club and that's how we came up with the 490. Is that correct Steve? That is correct. Yeah, but my question was is several years ago we come up with this medallion
system to identify, you know, I got 12 boats. I'm buying 12 medallions for 100 bucks a piece or whatever. So, we actually Sorry. Go ahead. That and that money was supposed to go into a pot to help patrol the harbor and the the the
rogue vessel rogue operators. So, how do how did we get to where we're at today as far as you know they're selling for $25,000 or you know I don't know this gentleman says that you know we okay him to buy these for $125,000. I don't think
we were in negotiation between him and somebody else of you know whatever he spent for them he spent for them. I mean, how how did it come to I don't know how we got to where we're at is what I'm asking. If somebody's got a short version of that is did council vote on something back in
the day that you know so we we're going to this is all the medallions we're going to I think when we pass I think when we passed the moratorum they became very valuable because nobody knew could come in and so the existing businesses
amongst themselves I don't think we told I'm not aware of any conversations where we told anybody to sell medallions for any price or were involved in any negotiations. But once we passed a moratorum and we told the existing businesses that you
are the only ones that can operate here because the harbor is not safe and it's too congested and all the things that the Army Corps of Engineers studied showed us. Um that's when those became very valuable and they began trading amongst themselves. And then once the city heard about that, we said, "Okay,
council needs to make a decision on how to handle these. Are we going to do a pot of them? Are we going to revoke when they go out of business? What are we going to do with the existing registrations, which are the medallions?" So, it seems like it'd be
easier to do like we did with the short-term rentals. you know, some of them was housing 40 people and then we passed changed our LDC or whatever and that's when the whole Bird Harris thing came in. Now you can only have 25 instead of 40 and then we gave them
maybe 28 or a couple more, two or three more, whatever. When we were agreeing with that and I don't know why that's not with the with the delivery vessels. I mean, it's I guess the harbor study says, you know, look, we're we're overcrowded.
So, you know, instead of selling all these medallions or seems to seem like it's it's creating a headache for everybody. Um, if it was the same thing. I mean, same, you know, we're taking his money away, giving his money from him and
giving it to somebody else. Well, we didn't do that with short-term rentals. So, I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud as far as a solution to because we're overcrowded in the harbor. So with the short-term rentals,
we reduced the occupancy that they can have like you're talking about and we capped it in the code at two per bedroom plus four or a maximum of 24 whichever was less. Right. And so those homes that had been renting out to 40 people, some
of them filed lawsuits and we had the building official determine if it was safe to up their number or not. And in some cases they got a little bit higher than 24 because they had been doing that for so long. And the building official determined there wasn't a life safety issue in some of those. Um, and
if you're saying to reduce the number of delivery vessels for a business, um, I mean, that's that's a council decision. We have existing businesses with various numbers. So, if we reduced the number that a business could have, it would
probably have more of an impact on the larger entities depending on how you did it, if it was a ratio. But, I mean, that's a council policy decision. Good. Okay. I I was just kind of thinking out loud on it because it's I
didn't know how we got to where we were at today as far as the whole medallion. I knew when we passed it, it was just to try to keep track of how many or know how many boats was out there cuz I went with Cassella was here. I was like, "Well, how many does Boogies have?" Well, I don't know. He's jockeying so many around all over the place, we can't
count them. So, if they don't have this medallion sticker on the side of it, then we know it hadn't been counted. And now all of a sudden it's dorfed into this major ordeal where you know we're selling it and putting people out of business and over all this over a sticker. That's all I have. Mayor, thank
you. Appreciate you, Councilwoman Traml. I was just going to make part the recommended motion. I move to approve the ordinance 25-05-C on first reading and with the understanding that the city
staff will address any business adversely affected on an individual basis. I'll second that. Right. I have a motion in a second. Anything? All right. I have a question for you. Does that include Jim's two requested changes or with the 60 days
and um what was the other one? Jim 60. Oh, and the two-year transfer bill. Yeah. Yeah. Or Yes. Okay. All right. I will include that. All right. I'm good with that. All right. Uh, Councilman Gum.
So, it's 180 days to 60 and then a 2-year transferable limit or a minimal two-year to transfer tied to that registration number. Mhm. They can't just turn around and sell the boat.
Yeah, I have. Okay. Okay. All right. Councilman G. All right. I need some clarification because one thing Rodney, Councilman Braden brought up, I I think kind of makes a lot of sense, too. Right now, we're attaching a license to a
vessel. And you're saying or the ability, the medallion to a vessel. You're saying that that's sellable. And there's no other item in the city of Destin that works that way. If somebody sells a short-term rental, the license isn't attached to the building. the new applicant has to apply for a new
license. So, it's it's the vessel doesn't have the power. The owner has the power. I'm trying to understand why if somebody how somebody can sell a medallion with a vessel, that's that should be the the at the discretion of the city. We're the ones that issue the
medallion. Uh, I don't see how it should be in the hands or or give that individual the ability, sort of like what Councilman uh, Bagby said, the ability to price gouge and and create a
monopoly. So, if you go out and you buy 20 medallions, you just hold on to them so you can price gouge the next business whenever you're you're trying to to disperse them. I don't I don't know why those medallions would be assigned to a vessel or why you should be able to transfer them that way. And I do agree
just like if I sold my roofing company, my engineering firm, my license would attach to that firm for x amount of days. Two years, no way. I think that's that's extremely long. But um 120 days that those licens can can transfer to the to the business when
it's sold so that that applicant can go through the proper procedures to apply for the the medallion. That makes sense to me because I mean that's how typically it works in in every other industry standard. Um, but one, we've already heard that the
the the medallions were were the way it was initially set up or under Mr. Stevens uh recollection was so that people couldn't just hoard medallions.
But in in my opinion, we're creating a situation where people are going to be taken advantage of all in in the sense of trying to preserve one or two people's interest. I mean, it it's we weren't in the middle of those negotiations. We had nothing to do with
how much he spent for those. Somebody overpaid for medallion, that's on them. That has nothing to do with the city of Destin. We weren't involved in it. We didn't have any legal liability in it. And if you did it, that's on you. That's just poor business in my opinion. Um, but I don't see personally how you can
attach a medallion to a business. I think that individual should be allowed 120 days to reapply and if they don't meet the criterion or they they're not within whatever limitations we set set forth, they don't get the medallion. Um,
but that's my personal take on it. Custom Den. Thank you, mayor. Well, and I understand of your point on the uh the roofing company or the short-term, but the difference is that
we don't have a moratorium on roofing companies or short-term rentals or restaurants for that matter. And that's the key. We've said you can't buy a license unless you are pre-existing for pontoon rental businesses. that doesn't apply to the uh
to the other businesses. You're free to go down and buy a license because we don't have a moratorum on those types of businesses. Um I'm a little confused about where we're going. We'll have to go back to first reading if we were going to make substantial changes. Correct, Kim?
Correct. Usually usually and that appears to be where we're going. Usually we'd be more specific. Hopefully, you know, I I am following the motion. I understand what the council wants to do. I probably could ask a couple more
questions of you all to make sure that it's a couple of other things that are coming up from this discussion are clear if you don't mind. And that would be fine. But I think the fact is as we go forward with motions to change the the
first reading then we I mean they're specific and to that uh end I would make a substitute to first of all and I'll wait. I think
Jim's worry about the 60-day versus 180 probably is is a is a worry that's not necessary. We have code enforcement who if people are operating their pontoon business without um paying their registration they can get a $500 a day
fine eventually. And so I don't see that as a big um issue. I do understand that when you go to 60 days sometimes getting through the bureaucracy takes a substantial amount of time. I don't want to put it on the staff that they have to handle it within
a very rapid sequence or or the guy is going to run through his 60 days. So, I'm not in favor of 180 is pretty substantial. As we look through our ordinances for grandfather and other instances where we've put time limits in, they're
always 180 days, six months. uh if you don't if you stop your grandfathered activity, whatever it may be, for 180 days, throughout our codes, it says you've lost your grandfather status. So, that's a pretty standard um number of
days that we use. So, I uh I'm not sure that problem is worth micromanaging, but I would like to make a substitute motion that first of all directs us to grandfather and the
gentleman who bought his medallions. After all, we were letting them sell them at the time. and that and I I feel certain that that is what Miss Tremble had in mind, but without specificity through motions, I'm worried something
may get lost. Uh Kim, do you you know, you said you want to ask some questions if we can come up with these solutions, then I won't bother with a substitute and let's let's do it all at one time because unless we have specifics about what we're changing, then we've got a
problem going forward. I I mean I'm clear. Council member Traml wants to ask something. I I just wanted to say if the motion stands as is, then all of the specificity can come in a following motion right after we
say we're going to accept this and then all the specificity can come next in the second motion. What I was going to do when I said deal with adversely affected situations afterwards was what we've done
before review with the individual or the entity that has the issue and if there is one which it sounds like in this case there may be then bring back a proposed agreement to the council that lays out exactly what we're doing you know in this case grandfathering x number of
vessels that's fine we've done that in the past and that's what I would do again. So, you wouldn't need a separate motion right now unless you wanted to. You'd be coming back at the next meeting with this change or would we be trying to go forward to
adopt what we have tonight without any changes? For the ordinance, it will come back for first reading with those changes. Very good. for the individual that spoke that would be an agreement that would come back separately from the ordinance. It could be at the same meeting but two separate items. Okay. So you you will bring back the ordinance
for first reading. Correct. And I don't have any problem then with the motion she made. Okay. Miss Councilman Dustin, can I ask you a question because I don't know and and I want to be sure that I understand. You might be able to convince me right there with you. I just want to ask. So you mentioned that one of the reasons you're doing this is
because moratorum. Now, I don't know because I'm not in this business, but I just heard that there's only a limited number of liquor licenses allowed in the state as well. Right. So, if somebody got So, there there numerous there's no there are several there are several
types of liquor license. There is no moratorium on certain types. There is a moratorum on one type, but you can buy a liquor license if you sell food and there's no moratorium on that. The only moratorum is based on population and
that's for a liquor store license. So you so you can still buy a liquor license as long as you serve food and there's no moratorium on that at all. I appreciate that clarification. That helps me out a lot. All right. Before we continue discussions, Kim, I was going to Yeah, I was I was going to jump in
there and do that. So if you want clarification from us before we keep going down this hole, since it's coming back for first reading, I'll just bring it back as I'm hearing it. It's not exactly the recommended motion. It is just bring back the ordinance with the changes for another first reading.
Correct. Yes. Okay. All right. With that, Councilman Bagby. Yeah. The uh on the 60 days, Kim, if my due date is one March and for whatever reason, I don't want to pay it
or I'm thinking about selling it or whatever, I don't pay. I still have a license. is it's not revoked under not under the motion that Sandy made but under the way this was originally
written it wouldn't be revoked for 180 days is that correct your past under the original written what was before us it was 18 is 180 days so would is code writing
uh tickets or warnings on vessels that have nonrevoked licenses. We don't have any revoked yet. Well, I'm just asking they would be if there was because this isn't
in effect yet. There's been nobody revoked. There's been some that have given up their license, but in order for code compliance to get them, so to speak, they'd have to be operating without a license, and they they aren't. So, they wouldn't be
Okay, but what if they were in a rears? They hadn't met the 180 days. They were operating in the height of spring break or the summer. Uh and they just had forgotten to pay their $1,700.
They would be they would be code enforced. They would they would get a notice of violation from code compliance. Okay. All right. Then the uh the second question I have is distribution of revoked licenses
because again my concern is the question I've the concern I've always had is we created an artificial market like tulips and Holland where when you have a moratorum all of a sudden they become
valuable and so what happens If and when we revoke a license, is it do we do a lottery or do we do first come first serve or are we maintaining a running list where people pay to get on
or I'm just and you you probably don't know because we haven't gotten there. Uh but that's going to be one of the questions I have when you bring this back is what's our process because we need you know we're saying here we're going to revoke licenses. you don't pay,
you don't you sell it and you don't transfer it and you don't within 10 days or whatever notify us. Boom. What do we do with those? So, that was actually the when I said I had questions, that's where I was going.
But it depends if we have a moratorum or not. If we have the moratorum in place like we do now, then when it's revoked, it just would go away. The 490 would be decreasing over time. We would say if the moratorum went away and and council decided at some point to to take that
away and just have this 490 cap, then we would probably want to put in the code at that time a process where you can apply for one of the 490 and you would get it maybe on a first come first serve basis if you met the code requirements.
But since we have the moratorum, I think right now it's a non-issue. All right, Councilman Braden. Thank you. This be my second and final comment. Second bite. No, it's not going to be my third or fourth or second bite of the
apple. My second and last. Yeah. Per Roberts. Um my first question is is why is the city allowing any individual to continue to pay register a vessel number,
medallion, whatever, without the proper parking, bathrooms, and all that year after year. They shouldn't be. Well, they did. The man just said that he's spending $1,700 a year to just renew them, to keep them active, but there's no parking, no bathrooms, nothing else attached with
them. There's no boats or anything. I see. Well, he's Yeah, he's not operating though without the bathrooms and the and the parking. He's just Why are we allowing that? Yeah, I I know. That's what we're addressing. That's what we're addressing tonight. This is the reason we're addressing this
tonight because these things are happening. Okay. Um, and I would be 100% in favor of dropping the mortorium and capping it at $490. Um, so we don't have this whole, you
know, $10,000 per medallion or whatever. It's if you lose it, you lose it. It's done. So that I'm done. Thank you. Appreciate the comment. All right. All right. I got my motion in second. The board is cleared. I'll call the vote. Uh, yeah. We'll call the vote and it's going to
come back for first reading. Yeah. That's it. Yep. All right. Eyes have it. 51. So moved. If anyone was confused by that, we will be starting over with first reading at the next meeting. All right. Appreciate that. All
right. 5B. Miss Cop. Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance 2511ccc, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, relating to noise regulations, amending chapter 14, offenses and miscellaneous provisions. Article two, noise of the city code of ordinances, amending definitions, amending provisions related
to measurement or assessment of noise, providing for permissible noise levels, providing for exemptions, providing for findings of fact, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. This is first reading. Seeing that this is a public hearing at this time, if anyone from the public would wish to speak on this topic,
please do so now. All right. Seeing none, I'll close the public comments for 2511ccc and Councilman Braden, take it away. Yeah, I'll make that motion. I move the city uh council approve
ordinance 25-11-C on first reading. Second it. All right, I got a motion and a second. Any further discussions? Seeing none, I'll call the vote. All right. Congratulations. 6. So moved. See. All
right, Miss Cop. Yeah. Thank you, mayor. This is ordinance number 2025 08LC, an ordinance of the city of Dustin, Florida, relating to the imposition of mobility fees, providing for adoption of a mobility fee study and table of mobility fees, providing for mobility fee discounts,
providing for city enforcement, providing for authority, providing for findings of fact, providing for incorporation into the land development code, providing for conflicting provisions, providing for severability, and providing an effective date. This is second reading. There have been no changes since first reading. Thank you
for that. All right, seeing this is a public hearing and it's second reading for 25-08-LC. Is anyone here from the comment wish to speak? A public wish to speak on this? All right, seeing none, close the public comments and I will entertain a motion.
I'll make it, mayor. I move the city council adopt ordinance 25-08-LC on second reading as presented with the discounts uh applied to long-term single family uses and a full rate per the mobility fee study to all
other uses. All right, I'll second it. Motion and I have a second from Councilwoman Abear. Seeing any discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the V. Oh, okay. I I was looking for I was looking for some eye contacts. I I was I
thought you were I thought you were losing it on us. I'm glad you're with us still. Go ahead. Um I had attended a planning and zoning meeting in Walton County which
enlightened me to a fact that I was not aware of which possibly may be true. Uh, I alerted Miss Cop to it and she was kind enough to to look at the issue for me. What happened was, um, there was a
big project going through that was quite dense and the planning and zoning commission in Walton County was finding problems with transportation concurrency. They did not want to approve the project because they felt it did not meet transportation concurrency.
Um, the attorney representing the project quoted to the planning commission that since Walton County had just adopted mobility fees, state law specifically prohibited them from denying the approval of a project due to
con traffic concurrency. It makes sense. The law says that since you're already charging fees for uh mobility, you can't deny a project for mobility issues. Now, the problem with that is, and and I'm
not sure it's so clear after reading through the uh legislation and the analysis that Miss Cop found for me, and I'm not so sure it's that clear, but it does seem to be very strongly hinted that you got mobility fees, you can't stop a project for trans for
transportation concurrency. That's one of the best tools we have in our toolbox. And if if we look forward to projects coming down the pike, that may take away our ability to modify or say no because we have enacted
a mobility fee. And for that reason, I'm still, as you may guess, uh very uncomfortable with the direction we're going without some clarification on that issue. Um because I mean Stallman Avenue, that's
transportation mobility. Another intersection down the road where there is a need or a desire by a landowner to put a whole lot of apartments and complex um high density in place another issue. So, if we're going
to take away one of our tools, the most effective tool we have about transportation in exchange for mobility fees, I noticed of the intersection at Solomon does not even is not on the list. And many of these intersections and road segments are going to be
affected by traffic concurrency for these particular projects. They're not addressed. I know we can change it later after the fact, but uh it it gives me great issues. On top of the fact that as I look through the list of uh what we're going to
charge people, there seems to be some bias that should not, in my opinion, be there. A single family home that uh is 4,000 square feet has a fee that's equivalent to highdensity multif
family town houses, apartments, condos. The single family, which is my opinion has much less impact on a traffic concurrency, is being charged the same as these highdensity projects. So, in my opinion, we've got a lot of problems
there. And uh I just want all of you to to think about what we're doing before we jump into it and take our ability to say no or to modify any future projects because we've implemented mobility
fees. And on that motion, I would table this until we can get clarification in in a month. All right. Not hearing a second. It doesn't look that way. All right. So, the motion dies for a second and I have the motion
in a second. Any further other discussions? All right. Seeing none, we'll call the vote. Yeah, the table uh the table motion died. Oh, we're voting on the original as written I believe. The second second
reading. Right. I have it 51. So moved. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Could Could we ask Miss Cop to have uh that information he'd requested by second reading? Oh, sorry about that. Yeah.
I'm good. All right. I would be happy to talk to the council members about mobility fees um anytime. So, we can have those phone calls about legalities and what we can and can't do if you'd like. Awesome. All right. and and Steve
or somebody maybe Kim uh if you could provide us with the number of projects that we've killed due to traffic compatibility in the last 20 years because I can't I couldn't think of one.
That's why I usually with impact fees they make the road improvements and with mobility fees they pay. So where I was getting at was it's not the end result isn't that different. Yeah. We we we've asked them to do turn lanes and things like that. The other the other issue that
uh I saw was 98's been a F or a D the entire time I've lived here. So, and that's only been since 99. So, it's not like that's going to change. Okay. All right. So with that, uh, Councilman Braden, any
Well, the only comment I would make that the fact that we didn't do our job is no rationale to take our ability to do our job away. Fair enough. Councilman Braden, any thoughts, comments, concerns? Um the only thing I have tonight, mayor, is um
just want to say thank you to Michael Burgess and his team um for staying on top of our medians that the state taxpayers have paid millions of dollars to redo and uh keep those things looking good. About every time I drive down 98,
I look at them and they're looking He's out there with a magnifying glass. I saw him. Oh yeah, I get warm and fuzzy. See, he called me today and let me know that they was taking care of a couple issues and I appreciate that. Um cuz we spent a lot of money on those taxpayers did and that's our front door. Everybody travels
through it and that's what everybody sees and it should I think it should stay that way. Thank you. Good deal. Thank you. Uh Council Member Traml. Uh I have two things tonight. Uh first one was uh thank you to the organizers of the employee appreciation activities. I
thought that was a lot of fun and I think it's very valuable for us to honor our employees. Um, next year I hope to see more uh council members out there. I will admit I was in the late the last half so you all out there playing and I
didn't see you because I I would I would I would recommend that you don't schedule it on the same day as the uh barbecue at the sewer plant. But anyway, um that way staff can attend
both of them. Uh second thing I have is uh the parks foundation met this past week and uh we have received a donation from Trees on the Coast and we're very thankful. Uh just to catch you up, uh we're getting our website and our logo and all of that kind of stuff. So those
of you that would like to donate, hold on. We'll be there soon. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, Councilman Dest. Thank you, mayor. At the last meeting, I asked that we put this beach vending enforcement item on the uh agenda. It appears that we still
have people pending on the beach every day, all day, and uh we don't seem to have the ability to to uh enforce our own rules and regulations. How many code violations have we given out in the last 10 days, city manager? Um,
and are they warnings or the kind where you have to pay? I'll ask Steve or Dave if they have that information. I didn't come prepared to Yes, I have that. Um, so we've had two issu $500 um citations issued in
May. So May 5th, May, I'm sorry, May 9th and uh May 14th. Okay. Um Steve, those were paid, right? Um they have not been paid yet. Okay. the April ones were paid. Um, no. So there, so the
information that we got back from the county is the one that was issued in March was supposed to be a warning and so that was the $500 citation was reduced down to the warning and the one
issued in April um has not been paid yet either. So, the three the three $500 stationations that have been issued this season so far have not been paid. The same vendor. Is it the same? No,
they're um sorry. The the first one, the first two, yes, were the same individual. The third one is a different individual. Okay. Well, that would kind of reinforce the point I'm trying to make. We are spinning our wheels. We're not getting anywhere with that.
So, I would uh I would make a motion to authorize the city attorney to file for an injunction in the circuit court and see if we can't get their attention like that. And I would suggest that we file it against the most prolific violator.
Second motion and a second. Councilman Dest and Councilman Bagby the second. Any further discussions? Bring it back. I would have to bring back bring back an estimated expense at the next meeting.
It's going to be hard to estimate not knowing how many defendants are you saying only I think there are two there's one or two that are still violating the warnings have caused everyone to stop vending on the beach with the exception of one or two
companies which are still vending and getting cited. So you said the most you said the worst one essentially if there are two. Well then I would change the motion to address both. Okay. Both of them. All right. Okay. So and and as far as the estimate I understand that part
and uh I'll have a discussion with you between now and the next meeting to come up with an amount that you recommend we transfer over to legal and then I'll talk to Crystal about where we might find that. I mean, I think um prior to going to
trial, there is discovery that includes depositions and record reviews, and that's where a lot of the expense comes in. And that could, I'm not saying it will go this high because it might not, but depending on how many defendants and how much time ends up putting in, it
could be upwards of 30,000 just for that. Y and would increase if it went to trial. And of course they pay that also when you start deposing them if they have legal counsel. So that's a process we need to go down so that we can get their attention it appears to me.
All right. Councilman Bab you okay with the updated motion? Yeah. The only um thing I would add is we have an HR attorney, we have a land use attorney. Do we have, you know, do we have somebody that we own retainer or that we
feel comfortable with that can expedite this once we figure out where the money's coming from? Uh, you have me and we also have Kyle. We do not have a plaintiff's attorney on
staff because the city doesn't usually sue people. Um, but we do apparently if they're going to start ignoring our codes. So the last time we sued someone was for um a code compliance matter was uh 222 Cybert which I handled for the
city and is still going. Yeah. I just see this is being more and more and I my personal preference this is in part of the motion is that we not bog down the city attorney with taking all these depositions on you know the four or
eight or 20 cases that we could have Kyle's firm do it. These are special projects. I I would I would ask you to see that if he's available. Yeah. And he's the one that gave me the uh estimate, so I did. That'd be good. All right. We got some nodded heads. Seeing nothing on the board. I'll call the
motion or call the question. Yep. All right. Eyes have it 6. So moved. On a related issue, on a on on this issue, we need to uh contact D. After all, they say they own
all the submerged land lease from the median high tide down and see if they would like for us to take action to enforce their administrative um ownership interest and that may
simplify the whole thing. So, city manager, I'd add to the motion or I guess you don't really have to have one. Contact D and see if they have an opinion about this. I know we're reviewing those old documents they had. They seem to have a pretty strong opinion about it. Let's see if they don't want to enlist us as their
enforcement agent. Might be a simpler way around. Glad to. One other quick item. Um, I've received calls from churches who were receiving code violations over banners that advertise temporary functions like vacation bible school and things like that. I seem to
remember when we wrote that ordinance many, many moons ago, things that were directional orformational in nature, weren't necessarily covered. If that's not the case, I think we need to uh amend the ordinance where we don't give fines to churches who are advertising
vacation bible school. So, let's figure out how to do that. On feather flags. Yeah. Can I have an arrow on a feather flag? Well, on the for churches on the day of church service or the they can put it out. We can they can put it out, but you
know, you can't put it out on Tuesday for your Sunday church service on the beach. Yeah. You know that that I don't think that's your intent. No, my intent is just not to the intent is to rewrite if necessary to where we're not giving time to churches
that are doing special events. And I'm, you know, I I suppose we do have something in there that day of, but that needs to be modified to some other standard where they can advertise vacation bible school or the other
things they do in the summer. And I'm sure Miss Cop and the city manager can come up with some way to tweak that ordinance and let's let's make a change. All right. We'd like to Great. Thank you. All right. Councilman Bagby. Nothing tonight.
Mayor Councilman Abear. Um couple things. Uh, first of all, I want to um thank Steve and his team for going over to the parking lot across from Meguire's last weekend whenever everybody was having dinner Sunday night
and there was probably 20 cars from Louisiana and Georgia in the lot. I'd be curious how much we made on that night finding those individuals that did not register. They just parked and got out of their car and went across to Meuires. Um, thank you for having those guys do
that. That's easy money. People could, you know, register and and pay that and they're not. So, I appreciate you keeping those guys on it, especially in the evening hours that five o'clock to 8:00 that lot gets full. So, thank you for helping keep the monies coming in
because that's administrative money we can use back into parking. The other thing I I already asked the city manager about this tonight. I don't know if um he you were able to find out what the large machine is sitting on
Main Street Park grass. Yes. Lisa and her team have done a phenomenal job of that Main Street Park and I don't know what that equipment is, but it's been there for o over the weekend and it was still there today. So, I don't know if we can move it to the paved parking
spots at Main Street Park or get it removed off of there completely. I don't know whose item it is, but I've had about 10 people ask me, "Why is this all over our dog grass?" So, um, if you could check on that, address that first thing in the
morning. Please do. Thank you. And then, uh, I too want to thank the, um, the city for putting together the employee appreciation um, lunch. Tamara did a great job of getting the word out there what they were going to be doing. I was so excited. I was going to be able to go to the Destin Water user celebration and
that and my Friday schedule went sideways and I hated that I didn't get to make either. But um I think it was fantastic that the the team had the afternoon off some food and fun and the city got to really appreciate all the hard work and folks that we have. So thank you for everything y'all do. Thank
you for helping them get it out there and thanks Tamara. Appreciate it. All right, Councilman Roofer, go ahead. Oh, I got just a couple things. Uh, first thing I'd like to ask is the same thing I've asked a few times and just just because the public needs
an update. Harbor dredging, where are we at on that? We're have received two quotes back to draft the RFP documents with the appropriate language to make sure we're covered with what we need to get done, how we're going to monitor it going
forward. We're awaiting a third one. Actually, the first one we got was we thought was somewhat out of line. The second one was about half of the first one. So, we anticipate having the third one in by the end of this week or the first part of next week. and hopefully we'll have a recommendation for you at
the next council meeting. Um, which will still give us plenty of time because we really don't want to engage the process until after turtle nesting and shorebird season next year. So, we'll have some ample time to get it put together and get it on screen. Yes, sir. Thank you
for that. U, my next question is a little bit off the cuff. It's just something that, and I apologize I didn't prep you guys for this, but it's something Mr. or Councilman Braden brought up this just had me thinking here for the past 15 20 minutes. Um, how often do we review the DOS on the
harbor? Because something he just brought up kind of rang a little bell in my head. If this guy has 17 medallions, who's saying he's not operating 17 vessels? He already said he doesn't have the parking. He doesn't
have the the bathrooms. How often are we reviewing these DOS to see if people are still compliant? Not go ahead. So the DOS themselves aren't necessarily reviewed. What's reviewed is their livery application. Okay. And so
what what we have done is we did an an initial inspection and then after that first year and then after that following year we did the affidavit of no change. Okay. And we have gone out and done random spot checks and we're going to be
kicking that off again um here soon to make sure that that everyone is in compliance with parking bathrooms and ensuring that the the the registration sticker, not the medallion, the registration sticker is on the vessels
themselves with names and all that sort of stuff. So So that's how we that's how we're ensuring it. Um, as far as this particular um, situation, the 17 registrations that are held by Mr. Hires don't have a vessel tied to them. So,
they're just 17 registrations that he has. Cuz there he doesn't have a vessel to tie them to. I see what you're saying, but I guess the question that rings in my mind is he has he doesn't have 17 vessels that he notified you about, right? It doesn't mean that he
doesn't have those attached to a vessel that he didn't register because he doesn't have the parking. Like just think of the motive of I don't have the parking. I don't have the bathrooms. I have the medallions. What stops me from throwing those medallions on vessels and not registering with you just because or
telling you I haven't just because I don't want to be evaluated or fined. Right. So that's my concern. Yeah. In that in that case that that's a rogue operator. And as we all know, rogue operators are very difficult to catch. Okay. So if he were to in this situation, if someone were to do this
and utilize those 17 registrations that are held but not attach them to any vessel and it's just a vessel coming in and coming out, it it's again it's it's going to be difficult because the name isn't going to be on the vessel, the company name isn't going to be on the vessel, the registration isn't going to
be on the vessel. It's just going to be the pretty much the Florida registration. that at that point we'd have to catch them in the act of of doing this which is very difficult. Does the medallion itself have the the Florida reg vessel registration? No, the
the registration which is everyone calls them medallions. The the city registration sticker is just a sticker with the city of Dustin logo and it's got the registration number on it and that goes near your Florida registration
number. um on the um I can't remember which side. So, you can compare those two numbers and see if they match. If we're going to investigate or or do spot checks, yes, we're going to make sure that that this registration that we
have, the medallion is tied to this vessel state registration. Okay. If it's not, they do have chase vehicles. And so that that city registration would have to tie to the same Florida state registration as one of their chase
vehicles. If that's not the case, then either a it's an illegal v vessel or b they just didn't update their records with us and so we'd have to work through that. And I appreciate that. Now I I I'm not claiming that that individual was doing
it, but if there is a a there are people out there that would do something like that. So, I just appreciate you clarifying how you guys follow that procedure. Thank you. Yep. All right. Uh, I do have one request, and I'm so glad that it was timely with
the Coast Guard agencies being here. Um, I've had multiple, and I know I think we just had another one this past weekend about the East Pass channel markers. And so I wanted to get your guys' blessing on directing staff or the city attorney to send a repair letter or request for
repair letter to the US Coast Guard and possibly uh Congressman Patronis' office and anyone else that you guys may feel is a adequate avenue. Um I remember taking photos when it was slightly still hanging on uh many years ago and it
still hasn't been done and actually talking to uh I'm going to get his title wrong. Do you know what title? senior chief. Senior Chiefs, I don't want to call him something. Uh, senior chief. He was like, and actually with their maps and everything, evidently it's in the wrong position as far as where the channel is. So, he was like, "Yeah, not
only does it need repair, it needs uh relocation, which they would do as well." So, just wanted to see one if you guys were apt to uh giving us slash uh the city manager uh a blessing to send that letter for a request for repair.
Second. All right. Got a motion and a second. Uh also suggest that you I got you. I would also suggest that you send it to the county who I think are the official government local entity that manages the inlet. So send them too. Awesome. Thank you for that. And then that was a Councilman Dustin Bagby B
second. Yep. Perfect. And we'll vote on All right. And I will call the vote and they're going to have to put a custom one up there. Are we going to the Coast Guard? Coast Guard and the county and Congressman Petronis and Petronis. Oh, and Patronis,
that's who I miss. Thank you. All right. And then we have it up there. Come on, children. Give me just a second. Let them think. Let them think. All right. Thank you for that. I have
it. So, moved. 6. Awesome. Okay. And that's all I had. And we're back over to Miss Kim Cup. Thank you, Mayor. I just have one item and it involves calling
for an executive session um pursuant to section 286.0118 Florida statutes. I desire the advice of the city council in the case of Carissa Harbarger Rainbow Frost Ice Cream Ronald Ellison William Ellison versus the city of Destin at L case
number 325CV 00550. And as such, I'm calling for an executive session to be held in the city council chambers at the Destin City Hall annex, 4100 Indian Bayou Trail, Dustin, Florida, 32541, on Monday, June 16th,
2025 at 5:30 p.m. Central or as soon thereafter as the issue may be heard. Present at the executive session would be a court reporter, the mayor, all city council members, um the city manager, myself, and Mr. William Warner, our
insurance defense council. and need a motion. Yep. That was my question. I'm just looking for a consensus as to that date. I've already cleared it with the clerk. You don't So, we can make it. Yeah. Yes. You're good with June 16th at 5:30. Okay. Then it shall be advertised.
All right. Thank you for that. Uh public comments. Yes, sir. Will Will Ellison 744 Kelly Street, Dest, Florida? Um, couple things. Uh, one, if we could go back to the monetary
citations written to these beach vendors through the whole spring break, we're going to say that there's only been three written. Was there anything written today? I called in twice at 11 and 4:00. I thought this was supposed to be high priority. I'm not getting any any kind
of compliance here. I thought we were working to shut this down and it's kind of it feels apparent like it's just blatantly they're out there every day. Every day. I can walk on the beach and find him in 5 minutes. All right. We got a code compliance beach officer. He's cool, Riley. I appreciate him, but we're
sending him to the harbor in the morning and then to the beach in the afternoon. That doesn't make sense to me. We'd send them to the harbor at night when they can count all the vessels and then to the beach in the morning when everybody's out there act, you know, acting up, acting a fool.
Second thing, uh, I lost my train of thought. Um, I'll be honest, I don't I lost my train of thought. I got a little worked up on that. Uh, what else were we talking about? Uh, them just operating illegally. No. Uh oh,
warnings. They got a $500 ticket wiped away because of warnings. We have one company out there that's gotten warnings. Four warnings. I thought the whole uh y'all's directive was if their name was the same and their company is the same, warnings carry over year from year. We have one company that's working
off four warnings. So, uh I want to know like are we actually going to put these people in compliance? I mean, I know that Mr. Destin brought it up, but today they take money from us every day. Today they're out there. I called it in. It's not getting handled. I just want to know
what we can do to remedy the situation. I know a lot of people don't think a lot of it, but it's taking money out of my kid's mouth. So, it's kind of a big deal. So, any questions? I can I can answer any questions. I got pictures. There it is. The new help desk, the new
city to uh city health desk. Does it work? I can't get anything to process through there. I try to submit three complaints over the last two days. Can't get anything. It just sends me to the old help desk ticket and I check my email and nothing goes through and I'm forced to call. And I hate to be that
guy, but when I call, there's no documentation. And with our with our track record, documentation is key. So, uh, if we have any is there a way to check code compliance cases? Do we know that yet? Like if I can get on the new help desk right now and go see if there
was any tickets written for today since I called twice. Is there a way to look that up? Because the old way there was, but I'm not sure as of right now. Any any answers? Let you finish your comments. No, I mean that I mean I'll finish on that. There is a way to check and Steve, can
you please tell them how to check? Yeah, code compliance stuff is still processed through Compass. there will be a transition period when we move over to MGO that there may be some days where it's not but we are currently doing all code stuff through compass currently and compass can be checked for
violations. Um I will just say this as of last week. Okay, everyone knows about the staffing issues in code. The training like our code officers have to go to training to keep up with professional development and all
that. Uh before uh the season started, before I got over at code, two officers, specifically Riley, were scheduled for training all last week. We were down. We only had one officer pretty much any time at any moment last week. So, Steve,
are you available if they need to talk to you about how to look up a case on Compass? Yes. Okay. Thanks. There you go. Appreciate you. Just to make sure we and city manager, we're still making this a priority, right? Even with the
limited workforce that we have to the Yes, sir. Okay. And and of course, our lack of ability to to to do what anything that seems to affect it is the object of having Miss Cop do what she's hopefully going to do. So, we're going
to work on it. All right. Carrie Harbarger, 307 Mountain Drive. I'm so sorry for the drama, guys. It's a lot. But I want to put I want to talk about a couple things. And I understand that it's a limited response. We are in a lawsuit and I totally I respect that. But I do want to say a
couple things. First of all, what this business does and they have created a lot of problems for our community. They really have. And what they do is they stage they stage at June Decker Park. They stage at the Shyra accesses and they stage at the Crab Trap seven days a
week. They have a very good system going. the tickets that the for so many carts being on the beach. It is hard to believe there's only been two warnings made. It almost seems almost vicious. But I don't want to say that because we are short-handed. And here's another
thing. I talked to Mr. Steve and there is no doubt in my mind he's trying to do the right thing. We just don't have the tools. So, I'm going to lay back with silly comments like that and I'm going to give Steve the ability when he gets his tools to do the right thing and which I'm hoping is way sooner than
later. Okay. So, I wanted to say that I believe in Steve. Okay, I'm going to get a shirt says I believe in Steve. Okay, so then I also want to say now that I have let you guys know that I will work with you on where they stage. I see them
every day, seven days a week. It's like my job. Okay. And then also, you know, sadly what I did notice was that there are businesses in Crystal Beach. It hurts other businesses. all of us pay to play and it hurts other businesses. And
I think the fact that they all dress in a uniform to mimic the beach vendors that are at Crystal Beach gave the appearance that they were part of the city or part of the Crystal Beach or a part of the scenery. So, uh, one of the main things that I want to I want to
address is the D. Okay, I have spoke with the D and I want to bring up the document that I had given copies to the council a while back years ago. We addressed this issue
and it was very clear that the city of Okay, let me give an example. There's an easement in front of my property. The city owns the easement in front of my property. The ordinance plainly states I'm responsible for that easement. I maintain it for the city. The state
mandates the same thing from the city. We The city gave us title and showed us title to the to the land, but they also had us staple our beach management
guidelines to that and made that one document. That's why you saw that document signed twice because it went to D was signed off on them and then it went back to the council and they adopted that and they were asked by the
DP to address their codes and that's the D wants the city of Destin to man the fort. They want you to man our shores. That's your responsibility just like my responsibility is to man my easement in front of my property. So that's the response we're going to get from the D
and if we need anything I have contact I have contacts if we need and if there's any questions you can ask me thank you so much anything anybody no okay and can we and and one more thing the
sooner the better our season is starting and if we're going to recover at all it has to start it has to happen immediately somebody has to I know how to get a hold of them I see them Every day, seven days a week, I look right at them. I know their names. I know their names. I know their addresses.
Appreciate you, Carrie. Yes. Anyone else? All right. Seeing none, I will close city council meeting.