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All right, good evening everyone. We're going to call this city council meeting to order. It is 6:03 on June 15th. So, I appreciate everyone being here. Up first is going to be our invocation by our very own Pastor Steve Ferris from First Baptist Church of Destin. Thank you, sir, for being here.

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Let's pray. Father, we thank you for your goodness and grace. And again, we thank you for this great nation, Lord. And uh as we come back and celebrate the holidays and Flag Day last week and Lord, it's just a just an honor that we have that nobody else around the world

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has ever experienced. And so we want to thank you for that. I thank you for the people serving here tonight. Lord, I don't know there's a whole lot of agenda, but Lord, we sometimes uh it is and they spend a lot of time and Lord, I just pray that you will guide them and direct them in all that they do. Father,

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we want to thank you again for protecting us, watching over us. We pray especially for our military and Lord, hopefully this peace deal is going to be good and done. And Lord, uh we just thank you that you protected a lot of our guys through it and ladies and pray in Jesus name. Amen.

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>> Thank you, sir, for that. Councilwoman Aber with the pledge, please. >> Please join me with your hand over your heart. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. >> All right. And with that, if I can get a approval of the agenda or if there's any changes or modifications. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> All right, I have a motion. Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> All right, with a second. We'll call the

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vote for the agenda as is. [snorts] >> Go. There we go. >> All right. Eyes have it 70. So moved. And with that, I don't see any proclamation, so we'll get right into the public comments. Anyone wishes to speak tonight, please just say your name and address, and the floor is yours, and

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you'll have three minutes. >> All right. My name is Ricky Lynn Grant, Jr., [clears throat] 175 Main Street, Dest, Florida. 32541 USPS general delivery and uh

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highest and best use is what I want to talk to you about tonight and I want to talk uh to the public about highest and best use because I'm looking for uh a commercial operation I guess with projected net net

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operating income of $1.2 $2 million. And I had some business partners, maybe some specialty retail space with some office suites and single family, shared living, new apartments, demolition, and new construction. I was thinking maybe Mountain Drive, Holiday Isle, maybe even

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Okaloosa Island type of development if they're going to be, you know, building highrises in Walton County or, you know, making a big city in Northwest Florida. I'm trying to, you know, just be a visionary, you know, CEO,

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but highest and best use is kind of what what is the most ideal scenario for me and my family >> in Okaloosa County, Bay County. I was looking at the appraisal process. I'm not a broker yet, so but I was

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looking at the appraisal process, USPA, uh, uniform standards of professional appraisal practices with the Florida Real Estate Commission and the Division of Real Estate, and then maybe the DBPR. So, I'd like to talk to them at some point. There's no timer, so I don't even

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know how much longer I have. Is it even going the timer? Is the timer going? >> Actually, we're getting it up right now. Uh the time see I thought the timer was going artificially but I guess I can start over. [laughter] >> I got you two minutes down so I'll start

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for another minute here if you want. >> Okay. Another minute. Okay. Scope of work. >> Yeah. >> Uh and then my you know I was looking at irrigated farmland water supplies adequate crop production and then uh trying to identify maybe a property site

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to build on. you know, build, you know, like I said, maybe a commercial commercial operation and then final reconciliation, sales comparison, cost appreciation, income, capitalization. I just work from home, so

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just kind of let my brokerage be there, work at home, and then start on the beach houses. But yeah, that maybe we can get more in depth than that someday. But that's that's probably Oh, I got a minute 3. He gave you a whole other two. >> Oh yes. I got some other stuff I want to

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talk to you cuz this is social media. I got a minute and 30 seconds left. >> I'll give you 30 more seconds. We We'll count one minute as zero. >> Oh my goodness, man. Your going to be at 5 minutes. You're welcome. >> You're going to turn up the temple. The money changes. >> Uh

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I got my social media stuff out there, man. So I'm trying to I'm trying to make the most of social media. I don't just want to be on there just so I'm trying to make the most of my social media marketing so I can get to C-SPAN or maybe some more type of global leadership.

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>> All right. Final thoughts. >> Final thoughts. All right. Uh >> you're over. >> Okay. Yeah. Well, anyway, I wanted to share the high level stuff like of like be taken real seriously like the highest and best use for the commercial operation and then projected net operating income of $1.2 million within

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uh you know, my agency. I'm just an agent right now, but I'm trying to be a broker. >> Good day to be an alert. >> Thank you, Ricky. >> All right. >> All right. Anyone else? >> Public comments. Yes, sir. >> Good evening, Mayor. >> Yep.

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>> Good evening, council women, council. Gentlemen, uh Mike Leech, I'm coming back here because apparently you're voting on whether uh to change the street name from Pine Street and I'm on 793 Pine Street by the way and we're

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trying to change it to build Blue Modern Court and I hope you guys will vote positively on this issue and I know that engineering and the folks there in in that department are saying they want to

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make it a through Street. It'll be from Calhoun. We'll go straight through Budro's yard, go through mine, and go right down to Stallman Avenue. Nowhere to go anywhere except backup

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traffic. Another way to back up traffic and put a lot of kids lives in jeopardy with the traffic flow through. We just keep it as a culde-sac. make it blue mile court

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that it'll call it all this idea of Pine Street going through would end. So I'd like to consider that when you vote been able to vote today. Thank you. >> Thank you for being here. Right. Anyone else? All right. Seeing none, we'll close the

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public comments and we will [clears throat] get into the consent agenda. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> I'd like to pull uh B. So, I'll approve A, C, D, and E. I'll second the approval for the A, C, D, and E. >> All right. Any other comments,

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questions, concerns? Seeing none, we'll vote on all but B. [clears throat] >> Yeah, mine's mine's >> Oh, you just do a purple. >> Just hit X and go back in. Log back in again.

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Nice. Okay. All right. I have it so moved. All right. Council Schmidt. >> Yes, sir. What was the original $29,000 deal that we have in place with BECI? Well, the original contract with them

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was for the bid documents and the scope of work and the assessment of the building. >> Okay. So then the change and why why do this is what $800,000 project? >> The roof is $600 and some thousand. >> And why do we now need to hire them to

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do the CI? >> Well, because they're not doing the roof, right? I mean, the idea is we're going to need to keep an eye on the contractor so we don't end up where we are now, uh, where we can't verify that the the >> So, when you pay somebody nearly a million dollars to do a job, you have to

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then pay somebody $30,000 to make sure they're doing the job right. >> That's not unusual. >> And we don't have any of our continuing services contractors that we have, these companies that that we hire to do these things. I thought we had people to do some of this stuff, manage projects.

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probably not on a construction type project, more engineering and uh you know roadways and those type things, but I would think on a roof project it'd be pretty special. >> And so we can hold BECI responsible if things aren't going well. Then >> that would be the part of their job is

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make sure it moves smoothly to certify that what we're paying for gets done from a a [snorts] uh material standpoint and an installation standpoint. uh so that somewhere in in the future if we have an issue that we can verify that it was installed properly uh that it was

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the right material that we speced out. I think part of the issues we're having with a less than 15 year old roof now was that there was no one watching it when it was um installed and may not may have um led to some of the problems we're dealing with

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today and we're trying to avoid that moving forward. Where did this request come from? >> The request from them to offer this >> Well, it was part of their original package that if we wanted to at at this

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point, we could engage them to do this work. >> Okay. >> All right. Appreciate it, >> sir. Councilman Braden. >> Yeah. I just want to uh give a little more insight on that. um probably I don't know it had to be 10 years ago that any project I couldn't remember the dollar amount but it's it had to be over

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half million or something we needed a somebody on the job watching it because 90% of your contractors as soon as they get awarded a bid first thing they're doing is trying to cut cost um I was telling the city manager we talked about this job um a job here in Dustin the

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contractor submitted his paperwork got his in got his permit spec the right material material for the roof on a house, but had delivered something thinner, cheaper to the job. He got caught. He had to eat $80,000 worth of roof material and then

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order the right stuff. He spec the right stuff, but he ordered the wrong stuff cuz he's trying to save money. So, yeah, anytime we do something that's I would at least, you know, I could go less than half million, but other than that, we need somebody watching the job,

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making sure we're getting what we paid for. You know, I don't know if they I don't know how they charge it, but yeah, we definitely need somebody watching. Sad to say, we have like you said, you spend half million dollars, a little over half million dollars, and then you got to go 600 and something, thousand for the

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roof. Yeah. And then then you got to hire somebody to watch the guy, but it's the nature of the beast. Thank you, mayor. >> Thank you, sir. All right. Appreciate the insight. All right. Any other discussion? >> To approve. >> Thank you. Do I have a second? With a second from Councilwoman Abear. Seeing no further discussions, we'll call the

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vote. All right, eyes have it. So move. Consent agenda is done. Boss man, Dr. Jones. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and congratulations on the re-election. >> Thank you. >> None opposed. Nice place to be. >> Y'all are stuck with me.

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>> Yeah. Um item 4 A is regarding the update on the Nory Point Holiday property and Miss Cop will provide that for you please. >> Uh thank you Dr. Jones council. Um not much of an update this week because there have not been any uh county or

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state meetings in between now and our last council meeting. However, we reincluded all of the information from the last meeting in the agenda just because it's important information for the public. Um, we will have a more in-depth update on July 6th at our

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upcoming meeting. If you have any questions though, happy to answer them. >> All right, with that any don't see anything. >> All right, move along. >> 4B is regarding the Fourth of July fireworks and drone show. Couple of

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things we were asked to do at the last meeting. One was to uh confirm that the take permit uh was required. And I'll tell you that the um um Eglund folks do uh voluntarily coordinate with FWC and

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obtains uh applicable shorebird permits u and they um would anticipate that we would do the same. So this is in compliance with Egglund's integrated natural resources management. Um, and so

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the tape permit is required even though we're firing the u fireworks off of uh Eglund property. So we got that confirmed from FWC and from Eglund and I think those emails were in your package. Um, we did invite Alex from that's

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producing the drone show to be here tonight. He was unable to due conflict and I believe Mr. Bagby's al request was also to have someone representing the uh parks foundation and Miss Traml has agreed to do that on on their behalf. Um

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so the sequencing of the performance uh we anticipate the fireworks shooting off a couple of blasts just to get the attention and let folks know this party's getting started. Then the drone show would follow um u as quickly as

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possible thereafter. We anticipate it would be in very short order that the the moon would say here we go. The drone show would spend their 12 minutes and then they would move back to the fireworks to do their 22minut show. The drones will be launched from the um Gulf

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side or the pass side of east of Thora Point. We will use the westernmost 1,00 ft which would allow us to come just this side of the uh second uh beach walk over or dune walk over and leaving one

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accessible. Um so we'll have to monitor what boat traffic is in that area as well as uh pedestrian traffic. We know that uh automobiles is going to be a big issue that night. We just met at 5 this afternoon with Captain Fulton from

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sheriff's office and with our staff to begin coming up with a plan to manage that parking uh to manage the traffic as well as the parking as we move forward. Um so the if if you wish to move forward with the drone component, we simply need

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a motion and it's a it's a $10,000 commitment from the city. there's funds available from u remaining from some Christmas special event contracted services that were not spent. So um Miss Crystal has said we could certainly

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allocate those funds for that and Miss Traml may have some comments about the parks foundation and any money they may be trying to raise, but I can tell you from staff perspective we're going to visit those that we can and and let them know that any contribution to the show would be appreciated.

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>> All right. Thank you, sir. With that, Councilwoman Avery, >> just a quick question, clarification for when it will officially start on the 4th of July. I've had a few people ask and I didn't know if it was eight or nine. >> 900 p.m. >> Thank you. >> All right. Any other questions?

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All right. With that, do we have a motion? >> Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the fireworks and drone show as presented. >> I'll second. >> All right. Any further discussion? [laughter] Seeing none, we'll call the vote. All right. Eyes have it. 70.

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>> We're going to have about a 30 minute presentation that evening. 9:00 to about 9:30, 9:35ish. Correct. >> Whatever 12 and 22 are >> public math is not good. [laughter] All right. >> Dr. Jones. 4C is regarding the

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underground utility update. Um took a pretty hard stance at the last meeting and we apparently got someone's attention because they got out there and got the job done. Imagine that. So u the following Wednesday they achieved substantial completion. Our consultant

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went out and confirmed that. Uh however, they were still 21 days late. So that is a a liquidated damages amount of $31,500. We were asked to continue conversations with FPNL to determine if there was any

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means to mitigate those dollars and to date we have not come to any conclusion. Uh so our recommendation is that uh we direct our finance department to withhold $31,500 in liquidated damages from the final payment or the retainage,

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whichever is most appropriate, but to ensure that we capture those funds and to continue conversation with FPL that if they come up with a plan that's acceptable to council to mitigate those dollars, we'll bring it back to you for your consideration.

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>> All right, with that, do I hear a motion? I direct the finance department to withhold $31,500 from the final payment due to ADS and instruct the city manager to continue negotiating a mitigation plan for

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presentation to the city council at a future meeting. >> I'll second that. >> Got a motion by council member Morgan, seconded by Councilwoman Abear, Councilman Den >> for discussion. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of

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like the guy that Well, it was a problem and then two weeks later it's not a problem. I wonder what this definition of uh substantial completion is. I wonder if our consultant has the legal ability to define our contractal

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verbiage. I I wonder what they did to come to a conclusion that it was needed two weeks ago and now it's not. Surely they have some kind of a paper trail where they consult where they went

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in the field and did inspections did something and at this point uh you know I I have no faith that that is correct. I think it really should be referred to our underground utility attorney, Mr.

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Shep, and let him come back with an opinion on how all this goes down. And just to be positive with our friends in the undergrounding utility business, I'll make a substitute motion that we withhold $100,000

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until we have been uh satisfied that this is the correct action. Yeah. And they also, when I read the letter, they say they're ready to start transferring over power except for they really can't give us a schedule because they don't know they haven't contacted

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people. I mean, there's a list of reasons why they're going to they're going to start transferring power, but we really don't know when. I'd like to know a date when they're ready. And I've just got lots of questions about how we went from one position to all of a sudden, nah, we're we're complete. only

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15 days behind. So, I've got a number of questions and you know, I'll make that substitute motion so that we have a little more leverage when we talk to them to try to find out how in the world that all changed in the twoe period. >> All right, I have a motion to second on substitute motion. Any further

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discussions? >> Thank you. All right, I have a substitute motion on the floor. Any discussions on the $100,000 withheld motion? >> That was by question. What exactly was the motion to hold 100,000 plus?

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>> Yeah, the the original motion Go ahead. >> Yeah, the original motion was to withhold 37 which was equivalent of what the 15 days they say they were behind, right? >> And 100,000 is more toward the the figure that we were talking about last

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two weeks ago. just so that we know that that the consultant who now says they're complete substantially did some kind of a inspection did something to come to that conclusion other than

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>> just wanted to. So we going we going the motion is to withhold 100,000 plus we want some answers of >> addition to the 100,000 or >> yeah we're asking for some answers from the consultant about what they did to come to that conclusion which was >> okay >> dramatically different than the one two

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weeks ago. >> Okay Councilman Bagby >> I found it. Okay. >> Yeah. The the motion is withhold 100,000 and then show your work and then have our have the work that they provide us shown to Mr. chef and have him do an

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analysis that says >> exactly. >> Yep. They everything's done. Or if we need to, we'll hire an engineer and then we'll we'll charge them for that, too. >> That's what I was hoping for. I just want to make sure the motion was that. Yeah. >> Thank you for that clarification. >> Thank you. [laughter]

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>> I'll miss you. >> I I will miss you more. [laughter] >> All right. Uh uh Mr. Dustin, did you want to tie in Chef Wright somehow to the motion? Did we need anything from chef? >> I'm sorry. Are you

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>> from the Did we need anything from the attorney from Chef? >> Yeah, we're going to let Chef look at it and review it. Okay. >> Any other discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the substitute motion. >> All right. Eyes have it 70. So moved.

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Thank you for that direction and we will move forward with that. Uh 4 D is a joint participate joint participation agreement with the uh FDOT uh regarding in US98 and medium improvements. Um

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couple of things that we'll certainly do here. One is uh replace a well in the median in the area around um Big Kahunas. uh the the well has failed. So, what we would like to do is run a reclaim line from DW and just

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take that well out and use a reclaimed water for that irrigation. And then there's some ribbon curbing between Airport Road and the Walton County line that should have been included in a previous contract. It was specked out uh but for some reason it was left out of

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the contract. So DOT is asking that we facilitate getting that work done and they will certainly reimburse us up to $600,000 for the reclaim line and the U ribbon curbing. Um and so we don't anticipate

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that taking more than $350 to $400,000 between the two of them. I think the reclaim line's about 60,000 and probably 300 and some thousand on the the ribbon curbon. So that leaves in excess of a couple hundred thousand dollars that we may be able to spend for enhanced

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um vegetation, new plants, trees. Um but one of the questions that was raised was is that going to impact our contract with the contractor that provides those services and maintaining those areas. So, what we would u um say tonight is if

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we'll approve this JPA, then uh we'll move forward with the reclaim line and the ribbon curbon, and then we'll have some discussions with uh the contractor of what's left, how many dollars we have left, how we would best spend it, and if

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that would add any additional cost to that contract, and if so, we'd certainly bring it back to council for consideration. So our request is that we move forward with the JPA with the understanding that it'll pay for the ribbon curbing and the uh reclaim line and that any additional

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plings would be uh vetted through the contractor and uh if that were to cost us any additional in contract we bring that back for modification. >> All right. Thank you sir. With that I see a motion and second already buzzed in. Uh the ribbon curbing is that the border between the grass and the pine

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straw or Okay. cuz I noticed that 3A had um that nice curb and I was like, "So, did we get a short end of a stick or so, I'm glad uh I'm glad it was a mishap." Yeah. All right. Any other discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the vote.

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All right. I have it 70. So moved. Next item is uh is FY26 Airport Road Striping. Uh a couple of meetings ago we approved a number of roads to be resurfaced. Airport road from the curve

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to 98 was included in that and part of that was the approval of the striping component of that. Uh however the um proposal that was in there in the packet that was approved was actually for

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striping the portion of airport road from the curve uh to Main Street. So, we had to go back and revisit that. So, this is um if you send your packages, $87,931.74. However, previously $36,79.94 was approved. So, it's only a diff only

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it's a difference of $51,221.80. So by approving this, we will amend that contract to capture those those dollars which are the real dollars that should have been associated with it when we approved it earlier. So okay and with that I got uh Councilwoman

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Abear with the motion. Council member Braden with the second. Any discussions? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. And just for housekeeping, I'm assuming you guys when you're doing the motion in second through the uh system, you're doing the what is on the paperwork.

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Okay. Just wanted to make sure everyone's on. We made a motion of nothing. [laughter] >> All right. Appreciate that. Dr. Jones. >> Thanks, sir. Next is uh regarding options for the agent broker of record for um our health insurance. Um tonight

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before you is uh one of two options is to renew the current agreement uh as it's a three-year term with a option for two annual renewals and this would be the first annual renewal in that or to uh put the um do an RFP and let's take

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proposals on some options that may we think may have some uh merit to be considered. Um Mr. Destin asked a few meetings ago for us to uh have some conversation with the school board and and the potential of um maybe partnering

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them in a clinic. So, we had some great conversations with them. Uh, and that was not going to materialize, but they did uh share some other ideas with us. U specifically that the tax collector's office has utilized a a um pool with the

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Florida Sheriff's Association that they are real pleased with and it's a self-funded model that allows them to do a number of things. Um, we actually reached out to the sheriff's association and they were not accepting

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municipalities, but between some connections we had with a couple sheriff's office and our sheriff Aiden reaching out on city's behalf, they have agreed that they would consider accepting the city of Destin as their first municipality into this pool. So,

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if we go out for bid, that certainly allows us to at least consider those options. uh you know the current provider is certainly we would anticipate them um making their proposals as well and we would certainly give that due consideration. Uh but it's would be our recommendation that we move

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forward with an RFP just to see what options are available that we try to come up with a more sustainable um means of providing health care services for our employees. >> Right. Thank you sir. And with that, I have Councilman Bagby and Councilwoman

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Traml for the motion and second and Councilman Bagby on the floor. >> Yeah, the uh and I appreciate you on the joint agreement on the uh highways there looking into that. That that will be a

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recurring theme tonight is we we need to look at some of these things a little more closely from a fiscal responsibility. I know we talked last meeting it's only a 4% decrease or whatever, but that 4% is real and we

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need to make sure that we're getting maximum effective benefit out of every program, every service, everything that we're doing. And so that's why I'm supporting that we we go ahead and do an RFP and see is there a better solution out there because anywhere [snorts] we

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can save money or get better benefits or both uh we need to be doing. >> All right, Councilman Dustin, >> just one question. Uh this would be the first one-year extension on a century, right? >> That's correct.

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>> And if we I'm a little confused on how not going not extending it and going out for an RFP is going to limit our options. And if we don't do the one-year extension, do they have the option to just stop serving us at the end of this

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contract? I wouldn't want us to have some kind of a gap. >> I wouldn't anticipate that. Um Mike's here if he would might want to address that. >> Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

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Good evening. >> Just so uh >> There you go. Yeah. Just so I'm clear on the question, could you repeat it, Mr. D? >> Yeah. The question is if we do not do our one-year renewal, is your option to just say we're not doing this job for you anymore?

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>> Uh yeah, certainly we could do that, but the we would not do that. I mean, we our relationship with the city of Destin is hugely important to us. Uh we've been a partner with you all for probably 20 years. I've been involved with it for five. U as you all know we look at the

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health plan every year and we've had difficulty getting it underwritten due to existing claims experience. One of the things that uh I've strived to do since my tenure here in the 5-year period is to get you get the city of Destin off of a fully insured plan moved

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over to a self-funded plan. And uh unfortunately due to circumstances at that particular last 12 18 months we weren't successful with that. This past year we made a move to um take our initial steps on the self-unding by

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implementing the difference card and uh that helps us give us some transparency with our claims experience and what have you. Um the program uh through the sheriff's plan has has done very well for a lot of sheriff's offices throughout the state. Without a doubt,

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it's done well. It's a pulled plan. It's a consortium plan. Just so you understand that you're going to be under a self-funded model, okay? Which means you're going to have the transparency and spreading your risk kind of across a

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larger number of bodies. The thing that you're going to miss out on by being a part of the sheriff's program is you have zero opportunity to win when it comes to medical surplus. Okay? You also [clears throat] have no opportunity to win with your medical

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rebates. They keep those and they spread that risk to help mitigate their claim cost, help keep their renewals down. Where if you go to a truly self-funded plan, which I mentioned in the past, we have two proprietary products. one's through United Healthcare, once through

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Sigma. Um, and we give a 100% of the surplus back and 100% of your medical rebates. So, just as a, you know, conceptually to think about what that means to you all, the city of Dest, you spend about um, you know, close to $2 million in

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medical claims, right, and administrative cost or what have you. About 4 to 500,000 of that is your pharmacy spend. So just based off of historical data with other large groups that we write, those re those rebates

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generally account to around 20 to 25% of your spend. As an example, because I know the Okaloosa school board was brought up, uh we moved them from uh being fully insured to being self-funded in 2023.

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And currently right now, they have about a $14 million medical surplus. we that allowed us to put in the medical clinic that allowed us to give employees bonuses at the end of the year for the last two years. So getting you to a

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self-funded is absolutely the way to go. We just have to get our claims experience cleaned up to do that. And um so to answer your question, Mr. Destin, no. We're not going to ever leave you guys in a gap because we would always want to

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A, we want to participate in the RFP as a broker services. B, we're in this town. You know, this is our backyard. We have an office um over across from Rata Bay. Um and um we're going to support you in whatever decision that you guys

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make tonight. um we just don't want you to uh I don't want you to um you know make a jump where you get locked into a situation and then you're having a difficult time backing out of that. So one rule that I've always used as a broker in this community and I shared

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this I share this with all my groups is you need to go into this choosing the broker that you want to partner with, right? The one that's going to serve you well. The one that has the experience to take you to self-funded. A lot of folks want to get into this game, but they're not aware of how it works. Um, and

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choose your broker, then let them go to the markets. Right now, the sheriff's plan does not work with any specific broker. Will they allow a broker to help manage that account? Absolutely. Absolutely. And then they'll they'll do a direct relationship with the city of

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Dest and you all. It's kind of a consulting agreement similar to what we did at Okaloosa schools. Um but you know I I just think it's very very important and incumbent upon you all as the council members just to understand all the plans that are available out there.

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Unfortunately, this isn't to sway it one way or the other. The the Wellife program that we have through United Healthcare and the level 360 plan that we have through Sigma are proprietary plans that are under our flagship company, Foundation Risk Partners. those

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would be taken off the table um you know if if we weren't reelected. All right, no pun intended. Um uh as your broker. Uh so I just would want you guys to take certainly take a look at those as options because those are the two best options I think other than going

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directly self-funded like uh uh Oakloo is those would be your two best options to win long term. That's my opinion. I've been doing it 40 years and uh it's it's a very very very difficult market out there right now in the world that

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you're in which is fully insured. Um if I could move all of my clients from fully insured to to some form of self-unding I certainly would do that but unfortunately everyone doesn't qualify. So I hope that helps kind of set the you know the state of union where we are in the healthc care world

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and the uh desire for you know our company to retain your account. But we certainly will throw our hat in the ring through an RFP process without a doubt. >> Well, that helps me hone my question down a little bit. Your two items that you said are under your umbrella. >> Yes, sir. >> If we do not do the one-year extension,

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those still will continue. >> Those two options, not Well, if we're your broker, we would be able to provide them to the city at Destin, but we wouldn't be able to do it if it was another broker was selected. >> I understand. But it they're still in they're still in place as long as you're the broker. >> Oh, 100%. Yeah. Which leads to my

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question is is it better to renew for a year meanwhile go out for RFPs so that we there is no potential gap at all even though you know you say you guys wouldn't do that and I don't know is it is it is it

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cutting any of our options off to renew for a year and go out to RF. >> When are renewals? uh September 1st. >> Maybe maybe a different question that that's certainly the rule time for our U

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program. When is our contract with your when is your contract? >> It's 91 as well. I'd have to defer to Jamie on that. 91 is our is when the contract goes into the extension. >> Okay. So, we actually could do both that I mean we could do the RFP,

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>> which is the question I'm asking, I guess. And absolutely, you know, they could participate and if we didn't find anything there, we could come back and do the renewal. >> You absolutely could. Yes. >> So, we could actually move forward with if with the RFP, see what's options may

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be there. And if and and that we need to turn that around fairly quick and that be our plan so that we don't get jammed up in kind of what you're saying, a gap of of trying to get something done. So in in the event that didn't pan out the way we want to, we could certainly come

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back in next meeting or first meeting in August and renew. Would you agree with that? >> I would agree with that. Or the flip side of that is if you're obtaining proposals through the sheriff's office uh and any other consort for an example of League of Cities plan, right? They have a program that we went to last

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year. Unfortunately, we didn't qualify. That's a very similar product to the sheriff's program. um we are one of two brokers that can represent that program. We plan on going to them in our markets that we have available to us. So it it may serve you all better to allow us to

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work the available products. You can get your sheriff's, you know, the sheriff's proposal. If you want to do that direct with them, you could. And if that's a better option for you and you want to do a broker RFP at that point, you could to see who wants to represent you going forward. Just just for clarity, you know, I

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mentioned the sheriff's program because that was one that we had been exposed to. We we're certainly not committed to that, but only to take a look at it and see where it might benefit us. >> The only thing I would point out is we've got two months, July and August.

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Uh Fourth of July falls in there. We're in our budget process and we're going to take on this RFP and try to make a decision by September 1 or thereabouts. I mean, if it looks like we're fixing to drop them, I would think it just gets a

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little complicated, I'm afraid, when it doesn't necessarily have to be. >> I would agree. >> All right, Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah. Is there a notice clause? >> Not under >> not under our contract. No. If you

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decided you wanted to go out to an RFP and and make a decision, you have the option to do that because the contract extension is not up. Yes, sir. >> You would be fine. >> Okay. Because, you know, my my issue of supporting the RFP is y'all I expect y'all to bid. I expect

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you to probably win, but you may not. I don't know cuz I haven't looked at the sheriff's thing uh or any of the other options. I know there are a couple others. Yeah. But I want to make sure is it's a little bit and I know y'all wouldn't do this but it's a little bit

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about like the undergrounding utilities. All of a sudden people get focused and the number got lower or the and so I I just say let's get everybody focused while we're in the budget season uh and see see where it goes. But I expect you

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know and I know I've >> had y'all at Rosemary. I had you at one place. I've [laughter] had you >> Yeah, we're in a lot of places of commerce. I've had you every place I've ever been. Yes. But >> I just want to do fiscally what's best for the city of Des. >> Sure.

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>> Absolutely. >> All right. Seeing no further discussions. >> Seeing none, we'll call the vote on the floor which is as as written. >> Can you read that? >> Uh I do not have it in front of me. >> Are we like doing this new thing now where you just press the button and make

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a motion? >> You know, we're trying it out, I guess. >> Can we not make motions? Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, they motioned and second. So, uh, Councilman Bagby, if you want to read it or >> I just I don't think the public knows what we're >> Yeah. >> Say that one. >> Yeah. I was kind of iffy on that.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> You'll read it. >> Staff to issue a request for proposal for insurance agent broker of record services for employee benefits and return to council with a recommendation for contract award following the completion of the evaluation process.

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>> Thank you, sir. All right. And I have the second with councilwoman Traml. Seeing no further discussions, we'll call the vote or Kevin will vote. >> Yeah, I have a question. [laughter] >> So, Mr. Destin said you have to have all this done in the next 60 60 days, right?

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>> Approximately and back to us. >> That's all this needs to be done and come back to us by September one, which is our date that we're >> by. So, middle of August. >> But >> is this do is that doable, >> Larry? We certainly think it is >> to go out to bid. >> Yes, sir.

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>> And he also says they will not uh terminate their >> employment with us. So, we have their word on that. >> Just I hate to rush through things. This is I voted yes. So, what the heck? >> We have a renewal option with the current provider. >> So, I mean, you know, that's going to

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stay in play. There will be an increased premium on it, I'm sure. So, that's the whole thing we're trying to mitigate. >> All right. with that 70. So moved. >> 4G uh is a request from our public works

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to uh do some reallocation of equipment. Um bottom line is we have two John Deere 3033R tractors that we tow bush hogs behind. Uh and we're finding and our staff is finding that that is probably not the most efficient way to mow a

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large portion of the areas we're trying to mow. Um, so we approached John Deere uh about trading one of those tractors in for two zeroturn mowers and they agreed to do that. Um, we believe the zero turns would give us a greater

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bandwidth, more efficiencies and more timeliness to get some of this work done. Um, but they they asked for uh the 15 $15,630 for the two zero turns. They offered us $15,000 for the um tractor for a

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difference. So, $630.86 and that's what you see in your packet. But since uh staff has gone back to John Deere and said, "Nah, we don't give you $600. If we do it, you have to do it even." And they said, "Fine." So, if we want to move forward with that, there's no u dollars out. It's just a swap of

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the tractor for the two mowers and we will retain one of the tractors because there's a lot of things we can do with it and some of the places we do need a bush hog. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Uh, Councilwoman Neighbor, read the motion. I'm sorry. Traml. Traml A with the second.

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>> I move the city council to approve equipment trade in and purchase as requested and direct the city manager to implement the action. >> All right. Thank you, ma'am. And with the second, do I hear any discussion? >> Seeing none, we'll call the vote. >> All right. 770. >> U Miss Cop's going to handle the council

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vacancy. Thank you. Uh, as you all know, council member Bagby B has uh resigned in order to run for county commission in Walton County. So, we will have another vacancy on the council, I believe, as of July 21st, unless that has changed. And you can let us know, can council member

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Bagby. Uh, but as you know, when uh council member Guile left and we had appointed Chadam, uh we had a stack of applicants. I believe there were 11 and so there are 10 more. you all um could

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give us direction on whether to present you with those options to replace council member Bagby after he leaves or we can go out and readvertise and solicit uh resolicit to see if everyone interested is still interested or if anyone new wants to apply and so on. Um

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so the city clerk would like to know because she'll get that moving if you all would like to readvertise but we're just seeking that direction. >> Yep. Councilwoman Avery. >> All right. So my question is that night that we selected Mr. Morgan to come up

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here, we had a very close second from what I understood from a couple of us up here wanted you know also there was somebody else that was like right in the >> Yeah. >> And that individual th those were part of the initial Kevin whoever it was there were 10 right that's in that

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original package. So those people can reapply or you can just stick with that package. That's the question. Just do you want to revertise? >> All right. Uh, Councilwoman Traml. >> Yes. I'd just like to make the recommended motion, but actually I would

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like to put out the advertisement. It doesn't cost any money. It's just a Facebook whatever blurb, social media blurb, and find out if still all 11 want to be there. >> Okay? because now many of those that wanted to be here are now running for

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office. [laughter] So, we know that. But I think that we need to give the opportunity to anybody else that wants to come in. >> Okay. Councilman Bagby, >> sorry. Can I get a second on that? >> I'll make a second. >> All right. Sorry, sir. Go ahead.

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>> Okay. Yeah. Normally, I would agree with uh Councilwoman Traml and say >> back out and advertise. >> Go back out and advertise, but I'll be honest with you, we did go back out and advertise. we the supervisor of elections opened up and we had four

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people who qualified to run for three city council seats. So I I think that was the you know if if I think initially there were some people that oh what the heck I'll put my name in you know but

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when uh we we were blessed to have Chadam join us uh some people either their family their time their job their whatever uh said no I don't really want to do that and so I I don't see the need

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to readvertise again. But that's kind of up to y'all cuz I'm I won't recuse myself, but it's not really my job to decide who's going to replace me. >> And I and I'm not opposed to using the same applications that they turned in

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prior. I just would like them to tell us that yes, they want to be considered. >> All right, Councilman Braden. >> And we can have all that back by the next meeting. Correct. >> Yes. >> Correct. Yes, Dr. Jones. >> Yeah, absolutely. Either way. >> All right. Yeah.

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>> So, the motion is to advertise or to contact the previous applicants and see if they still are interested. >> Yes. >> It's the recommended motion. >> I said just put it out there for advertisements. That way, we don't have to make 11 phone calls. Well, 10 phone

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calls since Jup's up here, but um I I really don't mind either way. >> All right. CH Council Member Morgan. >> Yeah. Uh I'm fairly indifferent. I do know that the short duration of the term I'd be looking for someone with

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experience. Um I know, you know, we had quite a few applicants that had no experience on our boards or on city council. So, you know, I'd be fine with contacting the previous applicants and not sending it out, but

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um I'll go with whatever the board thinks. >> Council Schmidt. Yeah, I'll make a substitute mission to use the existing application pool. >> I'll second that. >> Second both of them. [laughter] I don't

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know what Robert has to say about that. >> Yeah. No, I'm just kidding. >> Yeah. [laughter] All right. They cleared the board. Uh, who would like to speak? Counciloman Traml. Then >> I just wanted to clarify. Does that mean we're not contacting them or we are going to contact them? Well,

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>> we would certainly contact them if you all want to go with the existing applications. >> Okay, that's fine with me if we want to, but I think we need to contact them and let them know that absolutely what's going on >> because if they want to withdraw, they're welcome to. >> Yes. All right. Uh, council member >> question after bag, sir.

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>> Oh, go ahead. >> All right. >> The question is >> question is, do we have any of the folks that qualified to run on this list? >> Yes, two. and and that would kind of be putting our finger on the thing to

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>> I don't know. >> Councilman Bagby. >> Yeah, I don't know if this and I was going to wait till my time and and I will wait till my time in paragraph six to say a few other things, but this will be my last meeting. So, I would

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encourage y'all anything that would speed up the process. I do understand the weight thing, but there's there's four room for three spots. Uh I can tell you one or two of them probably going to be at the other two. I'm not sure, but

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uh that's this this will be my last meeting. So, it it may come up next meeting where y'all can appoint if Kim uh I think you got three weeks to before the next meeting to call those contact those people and confirm whether or not

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they still want to do it. >> All right. Seeing no further discussion. All right. Seeing none, we'll call the motion on the substitute motion. >> Yeah. I got a question. >> Yes, sir. >> This is his last meeting. >> Yeah. >> Mean you're done?

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>> He won't be here next meeting. budget hearings, nothing. >> Yeah. And I'll discuss that when we get to paragraph six. >> Okay. >> So, could we not appoint somebody tonight so that way they're ready for the next meeting? >> That's kind of what I was hoping.

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>> Kim legally have to resign July 21st. >> You would not be appointing someone until the next meeting when there's a vacancy. There's no vacancy tonight, but next meeting you would appoint someone. >> July 6th. >> July 6th meeting. >> Yeah. We just don't have a vacancy tonight.

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>> He's here. >> I'm here. [laughter] >> He's not sitting right here. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They're digging the hole while you're still up here. [laughter] That seat. >> So, we'll be filling the position on July 6th. >> Correct.

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>> And they they'll take the seat that night. >> Correct. Well, yeah. If you all want, that's that's the plan if you're good with it. >> Okay. All right. Anyone need to any clarification on the motion? >> No. >> All right, we're good to go. All right, call the vote on the substitute motion

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contacting those that have already applied. Eyes have it 70. So moved. All right, boss man. >> Thank you. I was talking. I'm sorry. Um item >> but it was business.

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>> Yeah, it was business. Um for clarity, um Mr. Thomasac has our next um presentation is regarding the Indian uh 3879 Indian trail drainage. Uh we're asking he was asked to bring back a report um on his findings from his

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examination of that property and he's before you tonight. >> I think this is your first presentation, is it not? >> Yes. Well, I have to stand up here >> in that podium position. [laughter] Yes. So, [snorts] uh, this is I would like to say first of

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all, this is just part of the report. U So, we there's still more to do in the report if y'all so wish. Um, but this is part of the just part of the report. So, there's more to do. So, I will direct you to the screen. Uh this

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shows the USGS quad map from 1935 that was updated in 1938. U there it shows that the creek is present uh exactly where it is today.

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The yellow is the I guess the uh parcel map or how the tax assessor shows the parcels. Um, so there are several assumptions here. Uh, one of them is the roadway itself is obviously not there.

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So I put that in for consistency sake. And also I assume that the jeep trails were the on the ridge line because that's typically what is done. Um, if you can go to the next one. The next

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slide is uh the 2017 LAR over uh today's aerial. Here you can see uh uh kind of what the map or what that drainage area is outlined in in the purple. Um and

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something I forgot to mention on the previous slide, but the uh just based on the drainage area, the previous drainage area was showing 59.29 29 acres. And on this this

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map is showing about 55.4 acres. And it's actually probably a little smaller than that based on several factors that going out in the field and and actually getting points along those driveways to

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see if any of that water is actually going through there. And I know that several of them do not have pipes under their driveways. So, um, so one of one of the things to talk about is, so when the county built the

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road in whenever they built the road, they had a 36-in pipe in this location, sometime in the uh late 20s, early early 2010s, the city replaced that pipe

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with two 24-in pipes. [snorts] And that's actually a reduction in capacity when they did that. I know 22 24 sound more than 136, but it's actually uh about8 square ft less. And two pipes

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actually function differently than one pipe also. So uh if you'll go to the next one. So this is the 2007 LAR that's available for this area. As you can see, there's a orange line going down those contour

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you'll go to the next one and that is the two channels and his or the property in question uh according to the tax assessor's office. So the two channels line up they're right on top of each other. There's v there's small

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variations between those two channels and that is based on the different technologies that were uh the tw 2007 LAR and the 2017 LAR. Uh and I guess that's it. If you go to

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the next one. So this is the flood map for this particular area. As you can see the there are two distinct flood zones for this property. One of them is AE10 and one of them is AE8. So according to

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our our LDC, we require you to build 2 feet above those those elevations. So if he if if a house or other structure was to be built on this property, it would have to be at an elevation of 12. And

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there's only a very very small part of that whole property that's at or above an elevation of eight. So that would all have to either be brought in in field or a uh you know peers a peer and beam type

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situation would have to be done. If you go to the next slide. Uh so this is a [sighs and gasps] aerial from the tax assessor's office showing the the shoreline or or the water line

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in 20 or in 2016. And then if you go to the next one that is the shoreline in 2025 or the water line in 2025. So, um, those are kind of all the slides I had. I do have pictures and a video if

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you're interested in seeing any of those. Um, so the channel itself is approximately 5 to 10 ft wide in some areas along this this creek. It's in very stable condition.

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I mean there so I don't see any kind of shift happening in this channel over the past 50 years. Uh it's it's very stable. There's trees on both sides of this channel. Uh so and

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there's some very very old trees right near this channel too. Um [snorts] some of them you know based on circumference you know 120 to 150 year old trees are lying in this this property. So um if

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y'all have any questions based on any of the information I presented I will take those. So the only to clarify then um the LAR variations um because your guys are out there and you

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saw I guess the trees and everything. Is that why you then went to I guess the technology probably is what made the difference cuz everything else seems to be stabilized there. >> So So one of the thing the LAR is not something we did. um they were done by

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somebody else and I I can get you that exact who actually did them. Usually they're done either by a state agency or the federal government does these. So the 20 the 2007 LAR I know is in 1 foot increments. And when they went

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to the 2017, they started doing them a little so they they actually fly the flights a little lower and uh you can get better resolution. So they are in half increments in the 2017. >> Gotcha. Okay. I just want to make sure

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curious on the discrepancy and how we got there. Okay. All right. With that, let me switch over. Uh Councilman Dest. >> Okay. We uh we looked at this because the property owner thinks there's a a drainage issue there.

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>> There are a whole lot of houses across in the original drainage area that were not there before. Correct. >> Yes, sir. >> How many square feet do you estimate is now impervious versus what was in 1925 or 35? >> I I have not gotten that far in my report.

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>> We could guess it's quite a lot though, couldn't we? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, we've got all that impervious surface over there >> that's flowing through the creek now >> that used to be swamp or or wetlands or whatever it was. So, our so the issue

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and the question to me is have we impacted the ability of that creek to drain that area with all that impervious area. All of which I will point out was approved by the city of Dest. And and does it flood? What is the issue

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that it's causing that we need to address? And basically by looking through this, it appears to me that youth propellers are saying there's no issue at all. So going back to the the capacity of

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that pipe. So the only compat the only way the water can get from one side of the road to the next is through those pipes >> theoretically unless there's a storm and it goes over the road >> unless it goes over the road. But uh from my understanding and I've talked

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with people that have been here a while they've never seen water go over that road even after the two 24-in pipes which creates a smaller capacity. So, no, there is not I do not see an

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issue on this piece of property. Um, so I I don't know of an issue on this property. It It's not causing flooding to the house, which is

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which is what is usually is typical of a problem. It's not causing any other issues that I'm aware of except for uh and I really don't even know what the

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issue actually is besides uh he can't build on it. >> So there is an easement? >> No, there's not a drainage easement. No, sir. >> There's no easement there at all? >> No, sir. And and so

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an easement is not required. >> I understand that. >> Um but no, there is not currently an easement. >> No. >> Like a like a drainage easement if if that's what you're asking. >> I'm asking is there an easement there? >> Not not a drainage easement. No, sir.

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>> We are not answering the same questions. Okay. Is there an easement of any sort there >> of any kind? Is it legal document in that deed that says there's an easement there? >> No. >> Okay. Well, that's what I'm asking. >> Okay.

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>> Um, the other question I'm asking is [clears throat] we have put an awful lot of water there because of the development across the road. >> Mhm. >> That was not there before. So, the volume of water going through is quite a bit more than it once was 50 years ago.

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without running hydraulics. I I can't there there's no way to answer that question without running the hydraulics because again the capacity of the pipe is what is causing that's all the water that can go through

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those pipes. You can't add extra water through those pipes because that is the capacity of those pipes. So it it is less than it was when the original road was built. We have not

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done the city has not done anything since the since he has purchased the property. Um and and no other work has been done in that whole area that I'm aware of since he has purchased the

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property. So, if we put back 36 in pipe, would it improve the situation at all? >> Since he's downstream, I mean, there's nothing to improve. So, I mean, it would it would move more water through the pipe and through his

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property cuz he's on the downstream side. >> Yep. >> Okay. Okay. Well, I'll let somebody else ask some questions, but I know that we did have flooding in those areas on the north on the south side of Indian Trail very extensively when we started giving

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permits to build all the houses that are now over there that were not there. So, we have had flooding issues that we addressed in the past. I'm not sure if this is one that we can address,

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but certainly all those houses built over there with all that impervious surface. I'm not an engineer, but I think I can come to the conclusion that there's a lot more water impervious surface flowing because it's not being soaked into the ground. So, you know, I

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I'm still trying to get my arms around the problem that the gentleman has that he thinks we can perhaps fix, but if you guys say they're no problem at all, well, then I don't know where we go from there. >> Councilwoman Dremel.

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>> Uh I Yes. I just wanted to look at the pictures that you had from 2016 and 2025. And it appears to me that it has gained land at the end of this

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river, stream, branch, that's creek, whatever you want to call it. So, um, that's a benefit. Having lived there since 1983, um the flooding that we did have was

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more to the oh gez west. [laughter] U not on this particular property, but more to the west. >> And and that's what I've discovered through all of what I could find. Uh, and we did we had to do

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we replaced a pipe in closer to Main Street and that that's a different watershed. So, it's not actually coming toward this property. >> And and we uh the city did put in drainage under the road that goes down

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by um Century Park to eliminate that flooding right there. And to my knowledge, it hasn't flooded again except when the culvert backed up because it hadn't been cleaned out. [laughter] So anyway, that was an issue.

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Um, so I I don't know. I'm I'm going to recommend that we continue on with the hydraology to see where we are with that. >> Okay. >> Um, and and get all the areas covered at

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this particular point. Um, but the house, my understanding and looking at the property appraisers website, the house was built in 1981, which was before we were a city, and it still the flood zone existed there, but

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the county didn't require them to do anything about having it there. So, um, that's also an issue um, for for this. I can understand why he is asking the questions of, you know, why all of a

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sudden do I have this storm water coming through? Well, the history is the county basically didn't do anything before when that house was built. So, anyway, I I would recommend that we continue with their hydrarology. That's all. >> Is that a form of a motion or is that

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just a statement for now? >> Uh, I will be glad to make that a motion, but I think that was probably what his report needed anyway. Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> So, this was forformational information only anyway. So, >> Yes, sir. All right. Uh, Councilman Braden.

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>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, okay. Dewy's right. There's a a lot of homes been built back in there. I've built some of them. Um, and a lot of that water from a lot of

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those homes is being shed to the south. And that creek runs under the road to the airport all the way to Indian Bayou. I've walked it. I know this to be true. Straight south of this man's property,

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beavers continue daming that up. I know this because I've caught them myself personally. Um, and there's a big lake back in there. So, not all that water is being shed in this whole diagram, this whole 50 something acres he's talking about. All

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that water is going to these two culverts. Um, and again, like the engineer said, I don't believe those two 24-in pipes, not an engineer, I don't think, but I don't think they're sending more water through there than that creek can handle. If it

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did, it would all be all washed out and a lot of the vegetation won't even be there. So, um I I too I'd like to see, you know, some more testing done. How much water can go through those pipes and what can that creek handle? You

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know, does it it overflow the banks in that creek and get up in the property and all that because we put bigger pipes under there. Um I I don't know that it has and like rest you, I've never seen the water go across Indian trail at all during any of the hurricanes because I'm

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here running them during the hurricane. Um, so thank you for your presentation. I think you've done an awesome job. >> Thanks, >> Council Bagby. >> Thanks, Mayor. Um,

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I I'll vote to let let him or agree, but I've really seen enough. Can you pull up the pictures of the trees and the and the road uh creek flowing whatever we're calling this thing? And have you done any topo on this

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uh or this area? >> Well, that's that's what the LAR is. >> Okay. So, can you describe We'll go back to the LAR then after this because Okay. Yeah. Those those are not young trees.

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And that's right by the creek, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, and I appreciate Mr. Dustin's uh knowledge of the area and his history with the area. Yeah. I mean, you look at

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those trees that >> that they were there way before uh he bought the property. Uh the creek was there way before he brought the property. I I go back. Can you go to LAR? Uh because I agree with Mr. Braden,

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at least when I was looking at it, not all that water drains uh through that creek. A lot of it drains off to the east. Some of it drains off to the west. some of it actually drains back into the airport uh a little bit.

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>> I'll go back to the one you were the that one. >> So to to say that the houses that were um built and I don't know when the houses were built over on uh shoot can't remember the name of the street now.

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>> Yeah. Um, >> most of those were from the '9s. I pretty sure >> I think I built one in Mesa um in that first division cross street in 93. >> Okay. But I I just think what you're

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going to find out is the the ridge the way the water runs, not a lot of water because most of the water that's going through those pipes looks like it's coming from the norththeast segment of the airport. uh property, parcel, whatever we want to

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call it. >> Hey, Jim. >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry. Didn't we have water cross Main Street or get up into Main Street from the airport property? >> Got right by my kind of went across Main Street, not Airport Road. >> Yeah. So, I I'm saying when you do the

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topo, you you're going to find out. Uh, what I think if we really looked at this would know that what happened is somebody, and I'm not saying it was the current owner, but

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somebody didn't do a thorough due diligence on the water flows of that property. And that I'm sorry, uh, but that's not the city's not causing that. And I agree, you know,

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because I I I did study thermofluids and I do understand that 22 24in pipes are a lot smaller than 136 in pipe and you the flow of the water is uh significantly less. You know, I was ready to make the

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motion to just say, "Hey, we're we're just kind of burning staff time here and I don't think we're going to make the homeowner happy." That makes me sad. But we we didn't cause this. There's no doubt in my mind that we didn't cause

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this. Uh and so I I'll support, you know, if y'all want to let him do >> this was just for information. >> Two months. I know more. Well, but we can still make a motion to just tell him you've done enough. Yes. >> You you've you've done enough to

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convince me, but I may be the only one. So that that's all I wanted to say. Right. Council member Morgan. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, he can uh that that lot that's has that stream, he can still build on it, correct?

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>> He can. >> Yep. Just has to meet flood code and obviously build away from the stream or the creek. >> It Yes. Yes, sir. Uh there's setbacks on that on that property. Um I believe they're five or 10 feet. I can't

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remember. Right. >> Well, he owns, >> but there is a buildable area. He would have to either >> he can wave the setback from the other lot that he owns. >> I mean, that's just >> that's a question.

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>> That's a Tina question. That's a plan. >> There's always there's always >> there's always an ability to apply for a variance for setbacks anyway when properties have unique features. But but it it would have to be built either uh >> back fill

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>> it would have to be either filled >> but I mean he could backfill it to 12 ft. >> He could. >> Yeah. Um and just obviously and and yeah I I'm I am sympathetic to to um

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to a point but also I mean the property was purchased in 2021. I don't think that um we've added a whole lot of imperous surface since then. Certainly, some homes have been built, but if you want to pull, you know, what what impervious surface has been created

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since 2021, I would expect it not to be a whole lot. So there is an aspect of you know buyer beware when you know that I believe that creek and that wetland or whatever it is existed in 21 and I don't think that the city has approved a whole

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lot since then. Um not completely up to speed on it but you know so thank you for your presentation >> Councilwoman Nebear. >> Thank you mayor. Um I appreciate your presentation and I'm sorry that the homeowner Mr. Fitzpatrick is, you know,

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waiting for us to fix this. But I have to agree, this is not something that just in the last four years has happened. This is what this property was when the county was in charge of it back in the 30s. So, I feel like we've wasted a lot of staff time trying to prove what

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we can and can't manage with this, but I don't think that this is a problem that we need to continue to sink staff hours into because at this point, I just feel like there's nothing that we need to be doing for >> I'll make that motion that we need to

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stop wasting a lot of staff time. I feel like we're at a point that you've shown us the dam, you know, what was there has been there and as Mr. Morgan said, kind of a buyer's beware this, you know. >> So, is your motion to take no further action and close the matter?

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>> That would be exactly what I want. Yes, I am. Got it. >> All right. And who was the second on? >> Councilman Bag on the second. Uh, further discussions? Councilman Braden or >> No. >> Good. All right. Um, since the uh, property owner is here and we have a

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motion in a second, I did want to give him a couple minutes here uh, to have him speak his case before. >> Mayor, I appreciate you giving two minutes, but this is not a Q&A. >> Correct. >> But I agree with you. Y Thank

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>> button, please. >> Thank you. Uh, a couple things since I have two minutes. Could you pop up the pictures of the map? I just want to make a couple points. one 36-in covert, okay, maybe a larger capacity. Two 24-in coververts provides higher velocity

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pushing the water through. You've seen my images, my pictures that I put out there. Um, very clearly high velocity water coming out. So, it's a much different characterization of flow coming out of the cover. Um, next issue. Um,

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not sure you already have the calculations from the hydraology. You have it in your 2004 uh, storm water master plan. You have it in your 2022 master plan. Talks exactly about the impervious surfaces. Talks about the percentages, talks about the flow. In my presentation, I represented and I

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calculated as 18,000 gallons per minute coming down that carve. Okay, that's much different than this historical flow. um LAR changes. Can you go to the LAR changes real quick? Okay. One of the things you'll notice if

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you look at the detail, this is 2007 to 2017. If you go look and if you can't see it on the screen here, but obviously you look at the elevations, you were at 6 7 ft. It's down to two 2 and 1/2 ft. Okay? And that's also 2017. Okay? We're in 2026.

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Okay? I have updated surveys showing the channel movement. I mean, you know, I provide it. I don't know how much documentation over the last 10 council meetings. So, you have you have all the information that's out there. I think it's a little premature. Um, it is obviously impacted everything that's out there and, you know, from my

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perspective, um, you know, the council can vote the way they will. That doesn't mean I'm going to accept that motion. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. All right. With that, I see no further discussion. We'll call the vote.

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All right. Eyes have it 52. So moved. >> All right. Dr. Jones. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The next three items are forformational only. The capital project status report, the operations financial report, and the TDC

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monthly report. And from there, we'll move to Dr. Young for announcements. >> I just have one nice easy announcement. In addition to a awesome drone and fireworks show planned for July 4th, we wanted to remind everyone that we will have our annual Independence bike parade

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on July 1st at 4:00 at Dustin Elementary School. And there will be um food trucks and the parade and all of the exciting stuff. When you said >> July >> July 1st >> at what time?

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>> 4 o'clock >> at Dustin Elementary School. >> Thank you. Miss Lisa, you have something or you just Okay. Are we going to have big cones around the pothole on the on the track? [laughter] I run it every day. Just wanted just

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curious. >> All right. Boss man Jones. >> Thank you. Miss Cop will present the public hearing regarding the public hearing name request. >> Yep. It's a it's a resolution, not an ordinance. So, you're not used to seeing it as a public hearing. Uh but this is resolution number 202615, a resolution

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of the city council of the city of Dustin, Florida, changing the name of a portion of Pine Street to Blue Marlin Court for the southerntherly portion of Pine Street located between the existing Blue Marlin Court and Stallman Avenue and consisting of approximately 300 ft in the city of Dustin, County of

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Okaloosa, state of Florida. And providing for an effective date, I will turn this over to Miss Tina Deer who will u provide staff's recommendations and information. Good evening. Uh, the renaming request has been reviewed by the city's technical review committee

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and received recommendations of denial from Dustin Water users, Okaloosa County GIS, and the city engineer. The reasons cited are that the proposed renaming is not consistent with county GI GIS street naming conventions and will create confusion for emergency response

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personnel. It would interfere with recordkeeping for dust and water users and other other utilities. and the extension of Pine Street is identified within the city's adaptive mobility plan as a network connectivity project. Um, this concludes staff's findings and

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based on those findings, we are recommending denial of the request and we're available to answer any questions that you have. >> All right, Councilman Braden. >> I'll make the recommended motion. Mayor, I recommend the city council deny PC-2026-39. >> All right. and second with Councilwoman

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Abear. The the denials and the technical review committee. I mean, what the crux of the safety component? I'm just kind of confused on how it doesn't meet the GIS. Do you know what that specification is or what that looks

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like? Cuz it seems like it's more of an inconvenience than it is uh of just renaming it then it's easy to just say hide behind safety as a as a variable. I know that's not you, but I'm curious where they came up with that element of

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this this would harm public safety or, you know, confusion for first responders. >> Um, other than their statement that they said it does not comply with their naming convention, I believe it's due to the fact that the um the streets that are normally identified

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by the court are just the culde-sac streets and this is a different type of street configuration. It doesn't comply with the convention. And the name they're looking for is what? >> Blue Marlin Court. >> Okay. So, it's the court, >> correct? That's the issue.

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>> Okay. So, >> I believe so. That was the only name that was reviewed by the uh technical review committee. >> Okay. Okay. I'm I'm just kind of going to go for go to bat for them. It seemed like there was 100% approval of the street uh

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residents to have this happen. Um, I know we've made them go through jump through hoops now uh to go through the process and so I just want to make sure that it's it's a fair shake at this versus I feel like sometimes it's easy to hide behind things we don't want to

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do because it's inconvenient to go into a software and backspace a name and type in a couple letters to make it happen. Um, I get it if if court isn't one. I would definitely be interested in if Lane or if they gave us alternatives

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versus just saying no. I just think it's easy to say no when we have, you know, public participation in a uh version like this. Did we ever end up getting a process for this or did we make a process for renaming because of this? Do

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we have a policy? >> There's a code process for naming streets already in place. >> Is this supposed to be a public hearing? >> It is a public hearing. Yes. >> Not yet. No, I just wanted some questioning before >> you're still on the staff. >> Yeah, I'm just questioning some staff stuff before we open it up. >> So, here typically we have public

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hearing before we start questioning the staff and we allow the public to speak. >> Yes, sir. >> I don't know what's different about this issue. >> I just had some questions before we got in to it all. So, do we have a policy? >> There is a procedure for renaming

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streets in the land development code. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. So, with that, I will I will yield to the professional. Uh, at this point, if anyone wishes to speak on this topic, this is your time to do so. Yes,

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sir. >> Just hit that button. And we need a name and address one more time. >> Michael Leech, 793 Pine Street. And that report I got the report that was none of that information was in that report. Gee, I don't know where you got that

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information and they're made that's made up. I've gone to every single division in this of this um town to find out whether I could rename the street and no one has complained about it at all. No

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one. The only ones that complaining about it is your engineering group that want to make it a one street from Calhoun to Stallman. That's ridiculous. Is one street is not even a mile long and they want to close

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this down. That trip that would to do that will cost at least a million dollar to put to put the rest of the road in. I don't need I don't think we need to spend a million dollars to do this

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street. Plus, we have 11 kids that currently live in this neighborhood. 11. And we have a lot of friends from those kids coming over all the time. So, there's more than 11, but we have 11

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functional kids in that area. We're we're jeopardizing the safety of those children. put trying to put a through street in. I I just do not understand where they get that information. >> Keep addressing the council. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I I get it.

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>> Sorry. I've just got to talk it through. Yes, sir. >> But yeah, it um that it doesn't make any sense. It's just we're and by the way, Blue Marlin Court, Blue Marlin Lane, Blue Marlin uh roadway, whatever you

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want to name it would be fine, but Blue Marlin Court just comes, it's just an extension of Blue Marley Court and it's very simple and I don't believe there's any functional name changes that I haven't gone through with the city

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already. you went through like the committees or staff members? >> I've gone through the committee. I've been going I've functioning um well I started sending the letters to you. >> The first mayor that I went through blew

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me off said no we're not going to deal with this. You're the first one that actually wanted to talk about it at least. and the other the other functions I've gone to the engineering meetings which I've been told this isn't going to happen

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>> and I've gone through all the I had to go through the post office I had to go through uh Dustin water users I had to go through the uh sheriff's department I had to go through uh fire

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department and they said no that's no no big deal you name three street or three houses on that street to Blue Marlin Court. No big deal. >> And I'm pulling up the map. Basically, Pine Street goes into Blue Marlin Court. >> That's correct.

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>> Okay. I make sure I'm in the right spot. All right. Thank you, sir, for your time. >> Thank you. >> All right. Any other public comments on this public hearing? All right. Seeing none, we'll close the public comments. And Council Schmidt, do you want to go? I saw you kind of in and

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out that. >> Yeah. Sorry. So, was the process followed for the renaming the street application? Somebody keeps saying there's a process. >> Is that what we're doing tonight? >> Uh, yes. This is the process requires it

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to go to the technical review committee to be reviewed by the different utility providers, um, county GIS system, um, and then engineering is a reviewer on that committee. And then You mentioned the committees. >> Is he referring to the public like

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public safety committees? Like is that do you know what was that part of it? >> No, it does not go to the public works public safety committee. >> It's the it's the technical review committee TRC and you and when something goes through TRC staff sends it out to various entities for comments such as

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Okaloosa County, such as DWU. Tina, did you get written comments from DWU? >> We did. Do can you tell us what the written comments from DWU are? >> Uh yes, the written comment was

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um I would be opposed to naming it Blue Marlin Court as that would set up more confusion in the long term. If they want the segment between cyber installment named something besides Pine Street, we may be okay with that. But naming a portion to match Blue Marlin Court that already exists has the potential to mess

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with current and future recordkeeping probably for most utilities and services. >> Okay. Thanks. Okay. So, that's a software issue. Okay. >> Was there a reason why that wasn't provided in the >> in the packet? >> It's in the packet.

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>> So, the only response I see was one person that respond responded to the request and that would be DWU. And the only message that this says, does the city have plans to extend Pine Street through Stallman to cyber? We

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have existing utilities in the Pine Street Rideway that currently doesn't have a road and renaming the portion that is still in the Pine Street RO could be confusing in the future. That's the only thing that I've seen from the

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people that are on TRC. >> There should be there was a it's part of the same email chain. >> Unfortunately, it's not in here. Um, I'm going to make the motion to uh approve the request for the name change.

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>> All right. So, that's a substitute motion. >> Y. >> All right. I have a substitute motion. Do I hear a second? [clears throat] >> And I'm going to make a motion to table because I don't think this issue is mature yet. >> All right. So, we're going all the way

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to table. Um, any any description before we just go in? I know I don't It's up to your leisure to answer this. any any information you'd like to see for guidance to the staff? >> I'd like to see more >> button like to see more than one person who lives in the area come tell us what they

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think. >> Okay. All right. Well, I have a motion to table which cancels everything else out. Do I hear a second for the table? >> We're tableabling it until when? >> Oh, it does need a date. >> Uh till it's removed from the table by motion which could be next meeting

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button. >> Great. Turn your button off. Yeah, it tables. There's a motion to remove it from the table which could be at the next meeting or could be at a meeting farther down the agenda. >> It could be never. It's indefinite >> unless somebody brings it back. >> Or could be never.

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>> It's never. It's not unless somebody brings it back. >> That's the way it works, I think. >> All right. So, I do I hear a second. >> Second. >> Second. >> All right. With that, we will call the vote.

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Yeah, there's no speaking after the table motion. >> Paragraph six. >> No, it was like after the first motion. >> Yeah, it's it's a trump card. If you if want to stop something, >> all right, eyes have it. 52 to table.

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All right, moving on, Councilman Braden. [laughter] >> Only thing I got, Mayor, is uh congratulations. >> Thank you, sir. >> Being our next mayor. I think you've done a great job. It's almost four years. >> Almost. >> I have no no doubt you'll do continue to do the same job. >> Thank you, sir.

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>> Thank you. And that's all I have. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Traml. >> Yeah. Can I talk about Pine Street now? >> Sure. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> You can talk about anything you want. >> No. When when you look at this map, Pine Street is a road and to

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we are not vacating the other end of that. It is on the mobility study to be made into a road. So changing a name now that we have to go back to change to Pine Street in two or three years is >> doesn't make sense. >> It doesn't make any sense.

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I I don't mind them having a a name change. The applicant according to this does live on Pine Street, does not live in the culde-sac. So, I'm totally confused and which is why I said let's table it till we get some more information. But I think we need to look

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at the fact that it's only going from Cybert now to what's the other street, Rodney? I can't read. >> Cybert no >> stallman. Stallman Stallman to Cyber and it is on our mobility plan. It is to open it up and we're not vacating that

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right away at the other end. So it will not be a stop culde-sac. Does that make sense? It won't be a stop. It's going to be open eventually. So that was what I was looking at with regards to that. Other than that, congratulations, mayor,

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>> and congratulations to those four applicants that put in for the seats coming up. >> Absolutely. or it could be a pocket park. Councilman Dustin, >> thank you, Mayor, and uh congratulations. I think I'm going to make a motion to double your pay. [laughter]

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>> I don't really like math out in public, but that one's an easy one. >> I think 2* 0 is still zero, isn't it? >> Hey, listen. I guess I can't wait to get to your exponential number. I heard you get a raise every year. >> [laughter] >> Uh the only other point I want to make is I did want to do a shout out to

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Representative Many and Boils >> who stood firm against the attempt to defund local government. None of us like property taxes. In fact, we put we put things in our charter to

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make sure that they couldn't be awful. We put a 2 mill cap where the state law says 10 mills. I would love to see them replaced, but until they're replaced with some other revenue flow, I don't understand the rationale behind that uh

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that action. So, I want to thank them for their sands. Um, on a front that we talked about earlier, our property over on Holiday Isle, there's been some talk bandied about about uh is there a charter amendment that would help us

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prevail in this issue? I'm not sure what it would be, but um you know, we need to give it some thought. >> Well, if you all wanted to consider a charter amendment uh for November, your time would be running out. So, you'd

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want to give us probably direction at this meeting to bring back an ordinance at the first meeting in July. Um and we'd have to advertise tomorrow or at the very latest. We might be able to do it the second meeting in July and first meeting in August. But the issue is that the supervisor of elections has to

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finalize his ballots, send out sample ballots, and usually in the past he's told me mid August for a November election. >> And that's for a free election. If we want to pay for our own election, that is an option. >> That's true. That's true. You can have a special election. >> And the reason I'm not going to make a motion to that effect because I haven't

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figured out what it would be so far. But Miss Cop, if you want to give it some thought and make a report back to the council, you know, I would be willing to to support that. I'm not sure what kind of charge. All right, Councilman Bagby.

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>> Oh, right. Well, grab your uh Cokes or waters or whatever. No. Uh before I want to get a couple of things out of the way before I talk uh my final point. Uh congratulations mayor. Uh I know the governor has is giving a five-day

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holiday to state employees. Uh I was talking with the city manager this afternoon during my pre-brief. Uh and I would like to make a motion that we provide a 4-day holiday. I would say five except that Monday is a city

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council meeting and do we we kind of need y'all here for the city council meetings especially that one because you'll be getting a new council member. Uh so but I'll make a motion that we provide the staff with the July 2nd and

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3rd as >> I'll second that >> holiday weekend. >> Right. I have a motion and I have a second. Any discussions? we will be able to accommodate having a meeting on the 6th. Right. >> Right. Yes, sir. One of the good things

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about the timing is we do have an additional week between this meeting and that one. So, we will move the agenda um public state up considerably and probably do briefings um Tuesday, Wednesday of the week prior to the the meeting so everybody can enjoy the time.

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>> Okay. >> All right. All right. So, perfect. Anyone else? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. >> [snorts and clears throat] >> All right, eyes have it 70. So moved. >> And as I stated earlier, um tonight will be my last meeting. I, you know,

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we've talked about moving to Walton County for a long time. and uh between kids, colleges, education, uh the housing market, jobs, particularly Jenny's jobs all over the

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county. Uh for those of you who don't know, she retired after 35 years as a teacher or well teacher staffing specialist and evaluator. Uh and I'm very proud of her. But we've we've

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finally decided to pull the trigger. Of course, I volunteered, applied to run for county commissioner, but this isn't a uh a speech, a political speech. This is I just want to thank you all. You represent uh about 20 council members

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that I've served with over four terms. Uh I've served with four mayors, Craig Barker, Sam Severs, Gary, and now Bobby. And uh you know it it's I've learned

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something from every one of you and I I have tried to be a better person. I think we all are up here for the right reasons. I think we all want Destin to be the best possible city uh that it can for our citizens, for our staff, for our

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businesses, for our visitors. and it I've really been honored to to serve. Uh I want to thank the staff. You know, I I honestly we've had some great individual staff members over the years.

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Uh but I will I will tell you and I I thank Dr. Jones for his leadership. Uh this is probably the best staff we've ever had. And so I just want to say uh thank y'all because a lot of the things I know I was the guy every year every

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single year that said no we we they're getting a cola. They don't need that bonus money. Uh you know can we cut that 4% to 2%. But that that's the fiscal conservative in me. It's not because I didn't love you or I didn't appreciate what you've done and what you're doing

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for this city because I honestly do. Uh there's a couple of folks I want to call out in particular and the one council member I want to call out is Mr. Destin. I've probably served with him longer and when I first got elected in ' 06

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and I beat two incumbents and I thought everybody wanted to hear my opinion about every dang topic that came before the council. And I didn't get rid of that for about a year and a half. And the reason I got rid of it is because I

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was sitting here watching Mr. Dustin and he never spoke until he spoke. And when he spoke, everybody listened and everybody said, "This must be important. We need to pay attention." And it focused the audience. It focused the council. It

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focused the staff. And he was almost always right. He was he he was very passionate. [laughter] didn't agree with him on everything, but I remember a couple of two five votes uh the strip club and a couple of others

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where we got uh our rear ends handed to us. But but I still think we were right when we did that. And I I've learned so much from you. I learned, you know, I played a lot of sports, a lot of athletics, and one of the first thing

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it's not your athletic ability, it's your understanding of the rules. If you don't know the rules of the game, you're gonna lose. And one of the things I always admired and respected about Mr. Dustin was he knew the rules. And if you

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didn't know the rules, he would make sure at the end of the day you knew the rules. And so I would say anything you can do to make sure you know the rules uh will help you going forward. So I just want to thank you personally. Uh, I

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want to thank my kids. Uh, they served as campaign managers. I was talking to Jennifer today. We were talking about Bobby got reelected and she goes, "You know, maybe the only loss he ever gets is when we kicked his tail." And I was like, [laughter]

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>> by 80 votes. >> Uh, I think it was 83. I I'll give you two. It was 83. >> 10% of the votes. That's uh what it was. you know, we got but uh you know, she was my campaign manager for that that

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race and I obviously I love my kids and I want to thank Jenny. You know, I don't get to do this um unless she lets me and and we joke up here because I'll get a text. I'm probably getting a text right

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now, but I've got it turned off. >> She's saying wrap it up. >> Yep. She's saying wrap it up. That's enough. Uh stop chewing that gum. notice I took out my gum before I started speaking. Uh, but I love her and I I know I don't tell her that enough and I

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don't tell her that I appreciate her allowing me to serve uh the city and allowing me to to continue my passion of public service uh in other places. But thank y'all. Thank each and every one of

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you. Uh you've made a difference in my life and my family's life. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] >> All right, Councilwoman Abear, try try going after that one. >> Thanks, Mayor. Well, I will miss in the

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quiet zone back here, he'd get on the ramp and be like, "Wrap it up, Jim. Wrap [laughter] it up. Wrap it up." And then I'd see Jen, come on. You need to wrap it up. I like she so I am thankful for Jenny. She was a good part for him. But um yeah, I've enjoyed serving with you

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and I'm very happy that we've had the uh the time up here together making things happen for the city that we love. Um and congratulations to you, mayor, on getting reelected. I know it was a tough fight. Stuck with it. Another four years. We're ready for it. >> Oh, yeah. I now I get to focus on us,

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which is annexation one destin. >> That's it. >> No, no me campaign. and it's us campaign this this no this fall. >> Um and the other um thing I want to thank Larry we talked about the Joe's Bayou and this is kind of for the public record for those that had been dealing

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with all the parking down there and asked me you know why don't y'all do this and do that. I know that Larry is going to work with Michael and see if we can't make that exit out of uh the ramps a lot wider, whereas we've got some parkers over there from other states that don't understand a double wide

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trailer on your, you know, it doesn't fit there on that tiny side, but people park it there anyway. So, thank you for taking that for action. And Lisa, thank you and your team. I tell you what, they've got their hands full every weekend just trying to stay calm and

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yes, use your phone. I watched Wayne like four different people. Just hold it over there. Hold it. Just wait. So, but you got a great group of people that work for you. They do a wonderful job. And uh codes really come through for me. Tina, they've been moving those trash

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cans back today. I saw them putting them in the driveway. Maybe they'll get a hint. Move these into your yard. So, thanks for your team and their effort, too. So, I appreciate it. And that's all I got. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Morgan. >> Thank you. Uh, congrats, Mayor. Um, Jim,

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we'll miss you. I can remember in 2016 I made a motion to take the millage rate from 1.5 to 1.6 and you were in the audience and jumped my ass. And [laughter] so, if anybody tries to say you're not a fiscal conservative, I will

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argue with him to death. So, thank you and we'll [laughter] miss you. Oh, so that was nine years ago. >> Yeah. >> Dang, Councilman Schmidt. >> Well, Jim, >> for all the years, I guess I must have finally rubbed off a little bit on you

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because I've been watching your campaign and one of your hot topics out there is about ball fields in South Walton. So, uh, >> either either I've gotten you sold or you found a a nice topic, but I'm glad

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I'm glad that I could help you with that one somewhere. [laughter] So, >> well, we have more than they have. And I mean, think about it. Yeah. >> Hey, you know, I I'm aware. I'm aware. Uh, but but thanks. It's been fun, Jim. U

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Good luck out there for sure. Um, going back to Pine View, >> Pine Street. >> Yeah, Pine Street. You know, it's some of the stuff we've talked about tonight. And it's funny, you know, we have a process and somebody

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goes through a process and then we just slam the door so quickly without any potential discussion to understand anything. And uh, that's Mr. Destin's right because he knows the rules. uh [laughter]

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you know it it's uh it's just it's unfortunate. I'll definitely be bringing it back up because I think we need the we need to hear from everybody. No offense to Miss Traml, but the only person we received feedback from was your daughter in the TRC committee. I

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just I don't appreciate one one comment from the whole TRC committee and then we shut this thing down. Um, and if if if there is things missing, then staff needs to put it in our in our packet. So, you said you said it's in there. You

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keep saying that. >> No, that's not what I'm saying. I said destined water users was in there. The other comments were verbal and there were comments that were verbal from the county. >> It's just not I don't appreciate comments being made by TRC committee. That's not in our packet. I don't

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appreciate it. So if if it's verbal, I don't think that's that's that's uh doing justice to the >> staff agreed. Staff agreed and asked for it in writing and was not it was not responded to in writing despite multiple attempts from staff. Right, Tina?

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>> Yeah. You don't we don't have to get defensive. >> I want it to be on the record that the county did not provide what staff asked the county for. >> Right. So we have a TRC committee that didn't provide feedback. And I just don't I just don't like that we don't get a chance to go through the process.

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And uh it's a very confusing thing. People are putting in their maps to go somewhere and it takes them to a street of talking to a neighbor or two. They go down that street, they realize it's not taking them where they need to go and now it takes them to a dead end culde-sac and then they have to go

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circle around to go back. It's a dangerous situation. So, unless I'm missing the big picture, the mobility study and the the plan, if I recall, when we had those meetings, there was a number of items on that mobility plan that were just on there that we all, I

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think, agreed that we might not actually do one day because there was a lot of public feedback about cutthrough streets that people were not happy, but they were just on there. like I think NC7 and some others near Indian Trail that are on the plan,

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but we've made it very clear I think from the council that these aren't actionable items. They're only on a plan. Um and so I I just using that as a reason to just shut down something. I I look forward to having an opportunity to

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have another discussion with them again in the future. So appreciate it. >> All right. Uh Councilman Braden on that. >> Thanks. If the man went through the process, why did the staff make the recommend motion to deny it? >> Because >> based upon the staff's report, because

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there's a possible possibility in the future to add Pine Street to continue to continue through based on what I read, >> the fire department. >> So, it's I mean, it just sounded like it sound like you you were saying that >> I didn't hear you. the the man didn't go

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he he went through the process or we didn't give we didn't allow him to go through the process we just shut it down but >> apparently he went through the process because we have a recommendation from staff to deny it so I just want >> we didn't finish >> I don't want anybody think that I didn't

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I denied the man going through the process him or anybody else go through the process >> no you didn't point of order >> it got tabled for what this item has been tabled >> m got a conversation about it >> because Miss Tramble got to speak about it and y'all allowed her to speak about it

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>> and y'all said you you can speak about whatever you want to speak. So [laughter] I'm taking my turn too. >> The process went the process you didn't vote no. It was tabled by Mr. Dustin. That wasn't you. >> It was tabled hasn't been stopped. It was that means

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it could be brought up at the next meeting. >> Yeah. >> I'm playing on it. That's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. So, I'm up. All right. Um, the only thing it's not even the naming is one thing. Uh, but what we ended up

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discussing in my briefing with that, so we'll respect the table will be that I think we need to it seems like staff has some lowhanging fruit on that project list. Um, and before we go down and

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waste staff hours and have them build up this whole proposal and do everything for us to probably get a lot of people out here complaining about opening up streets and ruining neighborhoods and children's safety. Um, perhaps we need

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to to Councilman Bagley's position on most things, have a process of what comes through the mobility phase or what is our top priorities. Uh we've we did that project to get the mobility fees and we have a lot of priorities and

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there's a lot of numbers but I believe a lot of those numbers are through the uh consultant that we hired and through staff's recommendations but I think it would be uh wise and just responsible of everyone's time if if there is money now

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getting collected through the impact fees that we at least let them know what projects we deem to the uh most important. I know Stallman intersection uh is probably one of the biggest ones that I've heard over and over again up here which is in the mobility study. Um

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so I think it would be important for this council to give direction on where we spend those monies first instead of let's do the cheapest, easiest, quickest to get a win that perhaps maybe none of the citizens want. So outside of what happened with the naming all that, I

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just wanted to bring that up as just a topic that we ended up discussing was all right, these impact fees are coming in. What do we believe will be the most impactful uh for the residents instead of going after low hanging? What can we do there? So that's just me catching you

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guys up what we talked about in our meeting. Outside of that, Councilman Bagley, I'm going to miss you. uh to to my first opponent. >> Uh thank you for teaching me the ropes. Um those doors, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and from going from not

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knowing how this whole thing works to jumping in here. I appreciate it. I've definitely fallen in love with the budget. Um so, thank you for teaching me through osmosis on a lot of these things. I can certainly say you're one of the most stubborn and I'm going to say all this with love. Stubborn. And I

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don't even want to use that word. Uh, I don't even want the arrogant one to be bad. I don't mean it like that. What I'm saying is for someone who stays to his guns and can be overbearing at times and have all these things that can come

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across brash. >> Yeah. >> The reality is, and I was working with you for so long, I can genuinely attest that it comes from a place of love. It comes from a place of just volunteerism and for your community. So for whatever

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it may look like on the outside, I know you do it out of a stroke of love and that you do it for what you truly believe is best. And so I just thank you for everything you've done up here for even in the mentoringship Walton County. I think you even mentored at the time my

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girlfriend now wife. Um, so even before I knew you as an elected official, I knew you've been in the community one-on-one in the quiet lunch meetings trying to help people out. So I just appreciate you always being a a servant, whether it's public

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or private. >> So absolutely. >> And he's a retired military officer, >> of course. I I know for the >> We're brash when we have to be. >> No. No. And I wanted to have this contrast. I didn't write anything down, but my >> talking about do. >> No. My original goal was a contrast of

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what may seem bad actually really be probably the values that a lot of people are looking for in a leader. So >> I wish you the best in all your future endeavors and I'll see you on the ECRC board hopefully. [laughter] >> Well, that's right. Y'all got to work. >> Yeah,

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>> the mayor wants to do a >> I'm the backup unless someone else wants it. So that's all the good words. I uh as your wife said, you got enough hot air, so I won't put any more in there. Thank you. Absolutely. So, thank you for that, Miss Cop. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Council Member Bagby, it's been a pleasure working with

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you. Walton County would be blessed to have you. Um, mayor, congrats >> on coming back. Uh just one item and that is I sent you all an email of the complaint but just wanted to let you know that the state has been sued uh by a nonprofit and a couple of citizens on

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the property tax measure and it's uh seeking a declaration that the battle talot title and ballot summary uh are biased, misleading and inaccurate and contrary to certain fundamental and basic constitutional provisions. So I will keep you apprised as to how that lawsuit

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progresses. Are any municipalities or counties >> are any municipalities or counties joining in? >> No. Uh they're not asking for that. They have a Save Our Voters from Misleading Ballot Language Incorporated as a nonprofit and then they have two

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residents. One of them is actually a former city council member in a city in South Florida, but um he's in his individual capacity for this lawsuit. >> Yeah, I think there are a whole host of issues probably that may be addressed later. you know, when you when you cut the the tax revenue that [clears throat]

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was pledged to support bond issues, that's maybe some contractual interference or all kinds of angles to come at it. And I expect many angles, >> more lawsuits. >> All right, with that public comments,

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>> uh John Stevens, 425 Indian Trail. Um Mr. baby. Uh, want to say uh, best of luck here in Walton County. Uh, you were awesome here. Uh, piggybacking off what Bobby said. I kind of felt like I was talking to my dad a lot when whenever I was talking to you. [laughter]

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Yeah. But, um, I mean, whoever's taking your spots got some big sandals to fill. Um, and on that note, uh, I'm keeping my hat or my name in the hat to run for inter for interim. and I did qualify for November. So, I'm hoping my name will be

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up here when you all talk about it next at next meeting. Appreciate guys. >> Thank you. >> Great. Anyone else public comments? Patrick. >> Yes, sir. >> Kind of a mood point, but after the uh council made a vote, but just I'll sleep a little bit better if I just make one

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quick comment. So obviously I'm disappointed. I came in six months ago. I didn't come in as a grieving look at what's happening. You guys did this, you did that. I came in with facts. I came in with supporting evidence. I came in with organized and I followed the

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council's structure and process. I believe that existed out there. I acted in reasonable faith. uh with regards to that data. I will say I'm not sure the facts that city council was able to make that decision on tonight because the charts that you saw right there were

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presented to Dr. Jones on March 7th in my meeting. There's nothing different that was presented in there. The city has spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars on storm water plans, infrastructure, and everything that's associated with the

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water going down here. So, just to uh say I'm disappointed. You know, I'm not sure the facts that brought you to that conclusion this evening. I didn't hear one thing with regards to hydrarology, with the piping, with everything that I presented. Okay? The channel is significantly different from when I purchased it. As it relates to due

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diligence of any owner purchasing a property, I don't believe due diligence is expected of any owner to go back 30 years to look at city council meetings, to look at all the infrastructure that's happening, not on their direct pars. So, I'm disappointed and uh is what is.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir. All right. Anyone else? All right. Seeing none, we'll close the meeting. Oh. Oh, I'm so sorry. Dr. Joe, Dr. Retract that. >> Just want to address now that he's kind of no longer councilman. I'm just going to call him Jim. Jim's been my friend

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for many years. So, thank you for the opportunity to come and join you here. U but more than anything, thank you for your friendship. you, the rest of y'all know this, but five years ago when co about punched my ticket, Jim was there every day to check on me, make sure my

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family had anything we needed. So, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for all that. Thank you for your friendship and best of luck in Walton County. Look forward to you serving there and doing some good things. >> All right, good deal. All right, motion. >> Yeah, I don't believe him for a sec. I

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want those hospital records. All right. Motion to or adjourned.