working on bringing up a backup. >> My Wi-Fi works. >> Two, three, four, five, six, seven. >> Calling the meeting to order. >> Seeing if you're going to get his attention. >> Uh, Jen, you're good on uh the
attendance. >> Okay. And uh would we like to take a look at the minutes at all or would somebody like to make a motion? >> Do you want two separate ones? >> Yep. >> All right. I'll make a motion to approve the regular meeting held
>> for >> I'll make I'll second that motion. >> All right. Any uh discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I >> I >> oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. I'll make a motion to approve the August
11 minutes as 11th minutes as presented. >> I'll second that. >> I couldn't do the 24th. I wasn't here to read them. So, >> okay. Well, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I >> oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. All
right. We have a public hearing to give consideration to a variance to allow an 8 foot setback instead of the required 20 foot setback from the alleyway at 1112 McKinley Avenue. Blair Westerm. Larry,
>> Larry, can you use your mic? It's a little tough to hear you. >> Thank you. I think it's programmed for >> Yeah, I'm on. >> Is our Are ours back on now? Okay, we'll get this yet.
>> So, the normal setback requirement for this would be uh 20 ft because it's a public alley. Uh I am recommending approval of the variances stated subject to the following findings. One, the variance is in harmony with the purpose and intent
of the zoning ordinance as it will allow an accessory use common to other structures in the area with an 8-oot setback instead of 20 foot setback from the alley. Two, the variance is consistent with the comprehensive plan as it is a residential use in a residential district and similar to
other structures in the area. Three, the proposal will put the property to use in a reasonable manner as it will allow a garage. The property currently does not have a garage. This would have an 8-foot setback from the alley. Access to the garage is not on
the alley but from McKinley Avenue. Number four, the circumstances are unique to the property as the property is located adjacent to a public alley and on a standard lot. The 8-oot setback would be allowed. Number five, the variance will maintain
the essential character of the neighborhood as the proposed shed location is similar to others in the neighborhood along this alley. Okay. Anyone here that would like to speak to this one? I'm gonna say no. All right. Well, let's
go ahead and uh close the public hearing and we'll open it up for discussion with the commission. or a motion for that matter. >> Larry, you reviewed the other properties and it does look like they are similar to the >> There are others similarly situated. Yes.
>> Okay. >> I do have one question, Larry, for um I noticed that this was handwritten in terms of the location on the property. Is there any requirement that it has to be done by a survey once it's placed on there? anything or
>> only if you include that in your motion and you could do that. We have done that in other cases just because we want to make sure that they uh locate the garage in the location that they say they're going to. So, we could require that they
have the uh garage location established by survey, >> but in your review, you didn't feel it warranted in this case. >> It's entirely up to you. Do we want to require them to pay that
cost? That's the question. >> I think if there were more about impervious surface, I think I'd be more inclined to go with the survey. But >> there is no issue with impervious surface. >> There's no issue with impervious surface.
>> So in in putting the uh I have a question. In putting the garage in there, is there some asphalt or concrete as far as a driveway? >> I would assume they're going to have some sort of concrete in the driveway. >> At this point, there is no concrete or
asphalt. It doesn't look like anywhere. >> There is not. >> Okay. >> And we do have someone here that's here to speak on this issue. >> Oh. Oh, I apologize. I >> Would you like to speak to Would you like to address the the uh commission?
>> Yes, I did. >> Oh, yeah. Would you mind just coming up or use the mic right there? It's just fine. Just state your name and address for the record. I'm very sorry that I did not get that. >> My name is Deborah. >> Oops.
>> Okay. >> I received the notice in the mail and so I went to drove by the property several times and I was looking at it and
she would attach the garage to the back of the house where there's no hookups where she wants to put the garage. There's a meter and there's a gas and then there's city utility boxes
that hook into the house and the neighbor boxes for the neighborhood. If you caller, they'll all lines are lines are
>> and if you slab that over those lines and so that one is that and the way the house is situated and there's a hill in the back north corner.
There's an elevation in the alleyway. And so then taking the porch off, attaching to the whole backyard because there's 100
ft. It's 150. And so then the driveway um on there's a cement entry area to go into
it's already established and so then it would be just going by the house and driving into the back of the house like a tuck under your garage.
There's enough room to build both and under house. [Music] She can even do two layers. A townhouse is actually three layers.
Your basement is underneath your townhouse, then your main area, and then your second floor. So, there's other options other than detached
with the between the house and the garage. I understand that it's like a spacious backyard, but there's issues with elevation and there's issues with
the basically [Music] of the house to the left. There's 17 ft. I'm told that there's 10 from the fence line. There's seven left over that she
could utilize for the back of the garage. And she can build a bigger 22 by 12. She didn't want to take the back porch off.
Use the back porch as a breeze between the garage and the house. It just seems to be the space. I've seen other configurations. That's that's my opinion. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you very much. >> All right. Uh resuming discussion with the commission after that. >> Larry, did you have any other letters or >> I have no other letters or comments. So, looking at the wording, I have a
question where they're saying they're moving in a one stall garage. Is this a prefab thing that's going to be just >> No, I believe it's just an existing garage that he's moving from another location. >> Okay. Can you address the issues as far as the
utility and the gas lines for the questions? >> Utilities can be moved and elevations can be altered. I mean, that's not unusual for any kind of project. >> Was that was that something that should have been necessary to have in um
the um uh requirements to approve the variance? I think that whenever you're going to build something or put some move something in, you're going to check with Gopher State and you're going to have to move them and you can't build across
them, but they can run across. They can run under a driveway. >> Thank you. >> Can I say something about the elevation on the back um right corner? >> Sure. It is the drainage for that whole
hillside and it the water drains down the hatch into the water switch um drainage system by the road. And so if you look at the erosion that would happen to change it,
it would flood the basement of any new structure that they put in there. the way that the natural contour that whoever did it before, it just runs right down the um hedge there. So, if you move the hedge, if you
move that incline, if you do anything to it, it's going to change the flow of natural rayars and it'll flood into the housing area rather than stay in the ditch. That's
been created. Well, we can put a condition on that. Any alterations to the elevations need to be, you know, address any current and future drainage issues.
You can make alterations to your property, but you can't create a situation where you're damaging your neighbors with the uh water flowage. So, >> right, where they'd have to manage the
the >> the runoff >> runoff >> in a way that doesn't impact anybody else's correct property. >> Correct. And that wouldn't have to be an addition to the >> that's already a requirement. That's
already >> right. That's an assumed >> medication. >> That's that's a requirement they have to meet anyway. >> Right. >> Okay. >> And correct me if I'm wrong, Larry, but based on the apron that exists off of Mckenley, it looks as if a garage
existed there at one point. Must have. >> It that would be a pretty good >> pretty reasonable assumption. >> That's what I was thinking. >> Well, is somebody ready to make a motion one way or another? >> Um, I will make a motion to approve the
variance as requested based on the considerations and findings um stated in the staff report. >> I will second that. All right, we have a motion and a second on the floor to approve with the findings from uh as
stated by the city. Any further discussion? All right, hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I oppose. Same sign. All right. Motion carries. For your knowledge, excuse me, this will now go with our
recommendation to the community development committee which meets on what date this month? Yeah, >> hang on. >> We'll grab it. >> Yeah, I think so. So, uh 5:00 pm on Monday the 13th. We'll actually meet in
that room right back there and then there that recommendation will go to the city council in here at 5:00 pm on Tuesday the 14th where the final decision will be made September. >> So, you're welcome to attend any of those meetings. >> Okay. And somebody could turn the lights
back on. Not enough motion in here. They'll turn back on when we move. >> All right. Thanks, Larry. >> Doesn't help. >> Deborah, thanks for being here. We appreciate it. >> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. Right. That have been really something in a couple of those city council meetings. The lights have been like flickering. [Laughter] That would be a sign. >> Uh, moving on to new business. Consideration to the request from Chad
Wendell authorizing a one-year extension on a conditional use permit to allow a planned unit development with a 14 unit town home development at 1377 West Lake Drive. Larry, >> this is the Bowling Alley property. So, we've approved a conditional use permit
for 14 town home units. uh they've run into some issues with financing and basically they're putting in some very expensive peers in that location for the development. So they need to get they're looking at tax increment financing. So
they think they'll get that resolved this winter and we'll start in the spring. >> And correct me if I'm wrong, Larry, the conditional use permit actually expired in August. So they're on the agenda, >> but they did send they did send their request
>> prior to the >> time, but for some reason it didn't get on the last agenda. >> Okay, >> I'll make a motion to approve the extension for one year to allow the planned unit development with a 14 unit town home development at 1377 Westlake
Drive. >> I'll second that. >> All right, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. >> Oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. Liz, you got anything you want to talk about on the variance or condition? >> I do.
>> Thank you for asking, Sean. Um, couple of things, Larry. This Boys and Girls Club one that uh expired 1212 of 17. >> I've been working on that for six years. And they actually did finally plant
those trees. >> Really? >> Yes. about 10 days ago. >> Are you kidding? >> They're up there. So, take a look. >> Okay. Didn't notice that they went up. Sorry. >> We're going to take that off. It won't be on there next month.
>> All right. Sorry, you guys. I'm going to keep right on going. Providence Lake, I saw some movement out there um this early summer. >> They're going to do some site work this fall. >> Okay. >> And the real project will get started
next year. Do they actually need to get on the agenda to get their conditional use permit? >> They don't need an extension. We did an extension based on reapproving their site plan. >> Oh. >> After they got their approval from MDOT, so they're okay.
>> Thank you. Thanks for the clarity on that. Um Brad and Deb Whmer, Westlake Drive. This is the new one that just got constructed. >> No. >> Yeah, they just got finished. >> I think we're just waiting for
>> a final inspection on that. >> Okay, gotcha. Um, Lake Avenue, Jonathan and Catherine, >> they're building it, >> are they? >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it's, as a matter of fact, it's
enclosed and it's painted. Okay. >> So, there's movement. >> There is movement. I drive >> Jonathan and Catherine. >> Alaga. >> Okay. >> Oh, that one >> is the garage. It's It's the >> bottom of page top of page 35.
>> And it's a garage behind the building. The house. >> Yes. That has been >> I know the house because that's where my dad grew up. >> Oh, really? Okay. >> Know the house because I see the work on it every day. >> Yeah. Um Jeff and Denise Kim, I'm sorry.
>> They're still working on it. I just drove by. They've got the the curbs. >> I must not get out enough. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, still a work in progress. >> You can't miss the uh obstruction of rightaway of all the vehicles parked out there.
>> I thought that was 8th Street. >> Oh, man. >> But the city attorney park is uh or is parking at that mix, too. So, if you're going to toss anybody out, you'll have to fight with >> We have to toss him. >> Yep. >> Okay. Um, Highland Drive, not a question. It's obviously
That is the right one that I'm thinking of, right? The Highland Drive Lake View LLP. >> Yes, that is under construction. >> Yeah, because that one I can see. >> Yeah, drove by there yesterday to take a look at it.
>> Um, Menards, any movement on them? >> Not a thing. Okay. >> Looks just like it did. >> I was working with is no longer with them. >> Oh, >> the what? I didn't hear what you said. >> The person that I was working with on the Menard's one is no longer with Menards.
>> Somebody else has moved in, but hasn't taken over that part of it. >> Woodfire Pizza on 8th Street. 8th Street is just >> they're working on it. >> I saw that they were doing some work on it. Okay, that's it you guys. Sorry,
I have no more questions. >> Oh, that's good. And thank you all for chiming in because I didn't know some of those things that >> time for a new vehicle for Larry to go driving around town. Right. >> There you go. All right, Larry, you have
anything else for the commission? >> I have nothing else. Anything from any of the commissioners? >> No. Hearing none, then this meeting is adjourned. >> Thank you. Thank you.