Larry, let's let's try that again. People on YouTube. >> This conditional use permit was originally issued in 2015. This is going to be an amended conditional use permit. Actually, what's going to happen when we record this is we're going to resend the
2015 conditional use permit. And then this will be the controlling conditional use permit for that property. Basically, uh, right now the, uh, conditional use permit has a house, a two-story garage with living quarters, a maintenance building with two living
quarters for on-site caretakers, and then the original one had a meeting and entertainment center with six bedrooms. The new amended conditional use permit will change number four to a twounit, 8-bedroom guest quarter structure.
So that that will replace the meeting and entertainment center which was never built. >> So we're recommending approval of the revised conditional use permit subject to the following conditions. One, that the project be constructed generally as shown on the approved site
plan. Two, that the owner obtain a land disturbance permit from the city prior to issuance of a building permit. Three, that the owner obtain a Pelican River watershed district permit prior to issuance of a building permit. and four, that the facilities are for personal use
of the property owner and his guests and cannot be rented or leased at any time. And if you read through the application packet, they made that clear that that was their intention. And they provided a lot of detailed information in the application.
All right. Uh at this time, I go ahead and open it up for a public comment if someone wants to any of you would like to address the commission. If you could state your name and address just for the record. Sure. >> I'm Jesse Umall. My address is 30349 Wrigley Circle in Verus. I am the
director of residential properties for the Thoraldsons. I've been on the property since 1998. So I've seen all of the transitions that we brought before you before. Um I was with on the last conditional use permit for Mr. Brandt.
Um and thes feel that what Ace had put together um his meeting entertainment center didn't meet the needs of their family. Um so that's why we went and put together a new drawing um for this private residence um for them to meet
their family's needs. The property was never developed for a family. It was more developed for entertainment for one person. >> So this family has seven children. We have 13 grandchildren, more on the way. So, the bedroom space doesn't even um
exist for what we need to meet the family's need. Um this house is in a trust and their intention is that this gets passed on for generations. So, that is why we'd like to come forward and change the change the permit um to this
new structure. um for the previous conditional use permit, we >> upgraded our storm water plan to have this structure. So, our our building site is already ready for this structure. We just never were able to achieve it because Mr. Brandt had passed
away. >> And I'd be happy to answer any questions from the packet that we submitted um to you um about the project or the property itself. >> Okay. We'll let you know if we have any questions. >> Thank you. Any other public comments?
All right, seeing none, we'll go ahead and uh close the public hearing and I'm going to open it up to the commission for a discussion or a motion. >> Do do most conditional ones have Oh, fine. Do you have to have time limits on how
long your conditional use permit is allowed? They have one year to utilize the permit. So they would have to get a building permit for this project prior to a oneyear elapse. >> Okay. >> Okay.
Any other questions or discussion? >> I would make a motion to approve the conditional use permit with the um uh restrictions or the guidance from the um staff. >> I'll second. >> All right. We have a motion and a second to approve the conditional use permit
using staff recommendations. Any further discussion on the motion hearing? None. All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. Same sign. Okay. So, where this will go from here? Uh, this will go to the community development committee
coming up on Monday the >> shoot. 9th. Thank you. I was I was thinking 10th, but I know that's the city council meeting. Uh so that'll be at 5:00 in that room back there. You don't have to be there. You're welcome to be there. Then that then the uh the
community development committee will discuss and then that'll come to a vote at the city council at 5:00 p.m. in these chambers on Tuesday the 10th and that's where we'll actually take the action on it, the final action. But this recommendation uh will carry forward to the community development committee. All
right. Any questions? All right. Thanks for being here. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, all right. I'm going to without objection, I'm going to go ahead and move item uh go to item 4B uh consideration to the final plat of
Providence Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59. Larry, >> this is for the 40 unit conditional use permit. >> You have to abstain. >> Yes. >> Well, then we can't take action. >> You can once you have a quorum. >> Oh, >> it still stays intact even if somebody
>> Okay. >> Sweet. with that. I forgot about that. Thank you, Larry. >> Yep. >> So, this is for common interest community number 113, Providence Lakes. It's a 40 unit town home development,
and staff is recommending final plat approval subject to the following four conditions. One, that the owner obtain any required Pelican River Watershed District permit prior to issuance of a building permit. Two, that the owner obtain a land disturbance permit from
the city prior to the issuance of any building permit. Three, that the owner provide a common interest community declaration that is acceptable to the city prior to the city signing the final plat. And that the owner provide a utility easement acceptable to the city
prior to the city signing the final plat. There's been a lot of work going on with the city attorney on that regard and I think they've come very close to getting the declarations and the easements signed. So, we're we're close.
>> I don't think that's in our packet. >> No, >> the the your recommendations I do not believe are in our packet. >> I'm sorry. I didn't get the uh staff report ready, but I did get a resolution ready for the council. So, that's where those >> Okay. >> conditions came from. Okay.
Uh discussion or a motion from >> I just wanted to clarify that I mean this is the has this been changed from the original plan? >> The original the original conditional use permit and plant had 48 units.
>> Right. >> So they have paired it down to make everything fit. So, >> and if I remember correctly, they were um like 24 buildings with two units in each building. So, is that changed correct? >> That has changed. It's now 20 buildings
with 40 units. >> 20 buildings with >> 40 units. >> Okay. >> Did the MDOT stuff get figured out then? >> The access did get figured out. Yes. They ended up having to put a a bypass lane in, didn't they?
>> Yes, correct. >> There is going to be a bypass lane. >> There will be a bypass lane. >> So, basically everything that the city kind of wanted them to achieve has been achieved. >> They're doing they're doing everything that we've been asking them to do. >> Okay.
I'd make a motion to approve per all the things on that paper that we don't have in our packet with their >> following the city's staff recommendations. >> Staff recommendations. >> I'll second that. >> All right. We have a motion in a second to approve the final plat for Providence
Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59 with the city's uh word I'm looking for now. It's been a long day with the city's uh uh conditions. Thank you. >> Uh any further discussion on the motion?
>> Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Post. Same sign. Motion carries. All right, Scott. Same same drill. We'll go through the CDC on the 9th and then city council on the 10th. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thanks for being here. All right, let's go ahead and jump to 4A.
Weber Ford revised site plan. >> That's not in the package. So Weber Ford has decided that instead of a one bay car wash, they're going to have two car wash bays. >> So their site plan has changed. And if you look at the north end of it, you can see the two car wash bays instead of
one. And that's the only significant change on the whole site plan. >> I'm sorry, Larry, I didn't hear you. >> Weber Ford is changing their site plan because they're adding a second car wash bay. So they need us to approve their revised site plan. And if you look at
the north end of the building, you can see that there's two bays of car wash there instead of just one like the original plan head. >> H >> doesn't expand the footprint much. >> I'm it does not just a very modest change.
>> Uh I don't see any staff recommendations in our packet. Staff is recommending approval of the changed site plan for for Weber Ford >> with no different conditions. >> No other conditions.
This is just for the planning commission. This won't go to the council. The planning commission needs to approve the site plan. >> Gotcha. >> All right. Any discussion or I'd entertain a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the revised site plan.
>> Second. >> All right. We have a motion in a second to approve the revised site plan for Weber Ford adding a second uh car wash bay. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries.
Okay. Um does anybody have anything they would like to bring up for the variance or conditional use status report? Liz isn't here, so it sounds like we don't. >> I know. >> And then Larry, was there anything else that you had? I >> am going to talk about planning
commissioner training. If you haven't noticed, you should have an email from the League of Cities telling you about a planning commissioner training course called uh your role in land use decisionmaking. So, >> who was that sent by?
>> League of Minnesota cities. So, if you don't have that, you'll be getting that and you need to go and log in and take the course. It's a one-hour course and we will be discussing it at the March Planning Commission meeting. >> I don't.
>> It should be in your city email either yesterday or the day before that. If you don't have it, let us know and we'll try and get you access to >> just the uh came it looks like it came it's from seismic learning no reply at seismic.com. >> Okay.
>> And then it says you have on a new account on our learning platform and have been assigned land use regulation your role in land use decisionmaking. >> And then it gives you the link to either should have come to our personal emails. your city.
>> Your city email. >> I don't have one of those. >> I don't access that at all. >> I have one. >> I did not know I had one. >> Okay. So, you have two tasks before the March meeting. One is to call IT support and get access to your city email and then >> I used to have an iPad, but I it was so
complicated because it wasn't >> it wasn't an iPad. It was >> Oh my gosh. No. >> I think they gave them out like last fall. >> They did. I I'll be upfront. I didn't really start using mine until I until I was on the city council. even though I had it and then I had a real reason but now Larry's giving us a real reason.
>> I just email is that good or bad >> to have the emails depends on your perspective >> change from the city email to personal email. >> Um the city prefers that they're in the city email so you can control what's coming in and going out of those emails.
>> It's probably wise that you segregate those things too. >> I need to have a re a course on getting >> by all means Dylan. I was looking at you. >> What can they do? Can they come in? >> So, you could either come in and meet with Dwayne Krauss. He's our IT guy. Or
I can give you his phone number. >> Well, I mean, I know I had it, but when I turned in the iPad or the pad >> I stopped using it. >> If you want to give him a call, I'll give you his phone number. It's 21846142. And that's his direct and he's a nice guy.
>> He's a really nice guy. >> He'll go out of his way to make sure that you've got what you need. >> Blame. >> So, Dylan, would you mind giving us a quick overview on why we might want to use our city accounts instead of personal accounts for this business?
>> Absolutely. So, uh just a kind of quick and dirty is there's a thing called the data practice act. Um if somebody makes a data practice act request um they are in that following a a litany of rules they are able to access um
information that would be city related. If you keep city related material on your private email your private email becomes accessible which means that if you have things on your private email that maybe you don't want the world to see guess what it's now the world gets
to see. Um, >> ask Hillary, >> right? So, um, basically you want to keep your city stuff on a city email so that your city email is ac gets when it gets accessed um, they get to see that.
Vice versa, you probably don't want your personal stuff on your city email because then your city email is accessible to the public and the public gets to see whatever personal stuff you have on your city email as well. Now, I will tell you, you can get the Outlook
client right on your phone and it work functions just like Gmail or any of the others and use that for your city email and that's all stays on the server. >> Well, that's where it was Outlook, but I mean I never looked at it. >> Yeah, I just I have it on here and and that's how I check my city email on the
fly is is using that Outlook client and it keeps it all on the server and through the city's stuff and that way I'm not dealing with my personal stuff. There's also they can if you have it on your phone, they can try to pull your phone into a court case too if it should go that way your if it's your personal
phone. So >> according to it, so just >> it's always a risk. >> Yep. >> There's a there's a there's a a balance to be had there, right? >> What you're saying is best not to access it from your phone. >> What she's saying is it's best not to
access it at all. Yeah, >> it it is best practice to keep doing that's what I've been doing. >> It's best practice to keep it as separate as as possible, but obviously you're not going to be able to separate it entirely, right? You have to access
your city email from something. Um and uh you can theoretically, you know, an individual can theoretically try to make an argument that because you accessed it from your personal phone or from your personal laptop that the other material
might be accessible, but your arguments get a lot better. Your arguments are pretty good if you keep them separate. >> You know, which is why like that was one of the discussions that we had early on was using that Outlook client actually does keep everything on the server. So,
it's it's a little harder to argue that I mean, it's not impossible, but it's a little harder to argue that there was stuff being stored locally. >> Y, >> that makes sense. >> Okay. Anything else from the staff?
>> Nothing else. >> Anything else from the lawyer? >> No. >> Anything from any of the commissioners? >> Sorry for being late. >> No worries. I'm happy you're here. You don't need to be sorry. All right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and call this meeting adjourned. Thank you.
>> Thank you, >> Larry. I got a question for you.