Come on. Okay, I'd like to call this meeting to order. Town of Board of Health regular meeting old town hall 111 Somerset Avenue the time is 102 exactly start with introductions I'm Tammy
Melo board of health to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Starting with report announcements.
We're going to start with the healthy first. Give them another minute. Yeah, why don't we go Stacy? Stacy. All right. I just have a few things. Because spring has sprung. We've had a lot of issues with leash law violations and people not knowing as a leash law. So,
I'm going to read what is in our bylaw. Then I have a few other things to say after that. No person owning or harboring a dog shall suffer or allowed to run it to run large in any of the streets or public places in town or allowed upon premises of any other than
the owner or keeper of such dog without permission of the owner or occupant of of the premises. No dog shall be permitted in any street or public place within a town unless it's effectively restrained as above
defined not exceeding six feet a leash with the exception of service dogs defined under title two and title three of the ADA. All dogs are prohibited on any public park playground or school. This is where I have a lot of problems. People coming back at me. You are not
allowed on any of the town hall property at all, any park in town or any school, even if it's after hours. Dogs are not allowed in this unless they're um service dogs, church service dogs. If any animal is
found running at large, there is a violation and we can sight you usually get personal warning at first and then after that you get cited. The other thing is state requires dogs to be licensed in town and to get a license you need to
have a rabies vaccine. So I've had a few that I've had to send violations to because their dogs were running at large and they were not licensed or have rabies vaccines by state law. Once I know you
are not licensed, your dog is not licensed and has rabies vaccine. $50 a day per day per dog. If it is unlicensed and unvaccinated, it's $150 per day per
dog. Licenses of $5 unless your dog is not spayed and or neutered. Um, and it's a little more. If you have four or more dogs, you need to have a kennel licensed. It's very simple. I'd rather give the $5 than the $150 a day until I can get it done because sometimes you
can't get into a rabies vaccine for almost a month because you have to have an exam. We do animal control and Bristol do run twice a year a rabies clinic. $15 for the rabies vaccine. We don't ask any questions unless we see a
wound. You get a vaccine and you leave and that's all all you do. You don't have to pay for a museum or anything like that. So there is no excuse not to have a rais vaccine. Not only do we do it, but other towns do it too. When the other clinic coming up is
October. Yeah, we have one in April. We have one in October. We should just promote that website. Yeah, we did the April one. April April and I move to uh office manager. Uh the only
thing I have is the uh Massachusetts Health Association has a annual conference. They've extended the invitation. The fee is covered by the grant. So if anybody was interested in going, it's a
$625 registration. So it's a it's a nice conference. It is a two-day conference. I asked her to send me the agenda and times of everything. So, where is that? She hasn't said. Is it usually Do we know if it's usually
local? It is. It'll be somewhere. Soon as I get the information, I'll share it with you. The other thing I have is uh Massachusetts Health Association. So, the health poets association.
I asked her what the, you know, if she could get me like an itinerary of what's going on, what days, and if um you would be interested, maybe either one or both dates. So once I get the information, I'll share it. Okay. Okay. Actually, it's important.
Oh, okay. September 10th through the 12th. [Music] All right. So, still no math. So, why don't we let's circle back around for that
um come on Zoom. We're going to go to old business uh a new discuss vendor agreement. Vinnie, I think you were working on that particular form update. The only thing I was going
to up the well they already was oh it should have been like was going to suggest an item to be payable payable within 30 days of receipt of the invoice that um is also on in the packet. Selena had
questioned or asked if it was possible if we could have the payable immediately. I would agree. I I don't have an issue with that. Do you? No. I mean, you're paying for you're paying for basically paying for a product. Pay for it up front. I I have no problem with that.
That solves the issue of people not paying or paying late. That saves time. Your time, Liz, saves money. I I would agree with that. We put you put a closet there like payable employment receipts. Yep. How much money are we still waiting for?
The last list that we had since the last one we've got about $26,000 and we've got the majority of the local vendors has paid a little bit but they still have about 40,000. I saw the emails go back and forth. It looked like that was making progress. Yeah.
Yeah. So you've been in touch with them. Yeah. It's a tedious process. you have to open tickets and then they do their investigation and so it does take some time but in the meantime they did send me probably about 16,000 of what they owe yeah I'd say like make it pay make
it a few pay payable payable upon receipt receipt and then see if we have any of the vendors that drop out because of that they shouldn't but like I said it's a service you're paying for a product you should pay for it up front I think it's going to alleviate a lot of
issues Yeah. And a lot of what you're doing right now. How many hours are you spending trying to chase them for um things that should have already been paid? It's definitely tedious. So, I'll add that to the
agreement and then I'll email it to you and then if you're okay with it, we can do we have to bring it back or can we just send it to the select team? Okay. So once you guys get the email, just approve it and then I'll send it to the slide. Okay. So then can I get a a
motion on that? Yeah. Motion to change trash bag agreement to payable receipt. I've stepped down. I second that motion. Can I get a vote? I motion passes. Moving on to um 1770 approve the
program request. I think they're still um still in the process of of this family getting Oh, is that Matt? Looks like it is. Hey, Matt. Hey,
Matt. Maybe he was there. Oh, hi Matt. Can you hear us? Yes. Do you want to just identify yourself for the meeting? Uh, Titan Health Division. Thank you. Do you want to give us a
quick report? I know you're pressed for time. Sure. Um, we have a couple perks coming up and some plans. Uh, I've had a few installs here or there. Nothing too wild. Um, had
a complaint at 1901 Milk Street. I went out there on Friday and there was a installer out there. I met out there. Um, they had a bad pump and floats in the pump chamber. It has since been repaired and functioning properly. So,
that is all set. Um, I think the only other outstanding piece um was CNN Pizza. They were looking to add two two-bedroom
apartments in the rear. I believe it's an existing garage space now. Um, they wanted to utilize water records or to be able to increase the flow. Um I've had lenty discussions with
them over the last I'd say four to five months regarding this. Um there's existing septic system is designed for just over 1,000 gallons. I think it's 1,09 or 1,19 gallons per day.
Mass DP requires a minimum flow for any restaurant um to be 1,000 gallons per day. they can utilize some water records. Um they have to go back you know cumulative of two years and everything has to be
calculated at 200%. So I don't off the top of my head I don't remember what their exact water readings were for daily usage. It was somewhere between 100 and 200 gallons per day. Um, but in order to
utilize that for the increase in flow, you'd have to double it. So, we'll say the restaurant is utilizing even at 100 gallons per day, you'd have to calculate it that they would be going forward using 200
gallons per day. Um, and then the increase would have to um also be doubled. So your four bedrooms would be not 440 gallons per day, but 880. And then your restaurant,
even if it's 100, we'll say, you know, you bump that to 200. You're over what they're designed for now. Anyway, um so months ago, I had explained all this to them. Um I said, given the
calculations, I would be comfortable to allow the restaurant plus one two-bedroom apartment. um and with utilizing the existing septic system, they apparently are not okay
with that. Um, I instructed them that if they wanted any further allowances that they'd have to contact the engineer and have an engineer certify um, the increase based on water records, which um, I had one discussion with an
engineer a couple months ago and they were not comfortable with that at all. Um, they can certainly add to or upgrade their septic system to accommodate the increase in flow. Um I'm not sure if they're willing to spend that want to
spend that expense, but nonetheless um if the town were to say go ahead and put four bedrooms and two apartments there, you know, plus the restaurant if something were to fail down the line, the town could be liable and I'm not
willing to let the town be liable. Um so I'm standing firm based on, you know, what I had also put in my memo to. I believe it was planning or zoning a week or two ago. Um, you know, the restaurant plus one two-bedroom apartment is fine with the existing conditions. Um, if they want anything more, get an engineer
and redesign the septic to accommodate the flow. Um, if they're not happy with that, I'll be more than happy to contact Mass DP if we can actually get an answer back from them. Um, and I'm sure that their comments will be consistent with
mine. So, uh, that's all I have. if you have any questions for me before I have to jump back off. No, I think that that sums it up. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt. Oh, Matt, are you still there? Yeah. Can you hold off two seconds? We're just
gonna jump around a little bit. Um, we're going to go into consation the [Applause] purpose. emotions on you don't need anything to to do with that. I mean that is that is
what it is. That's right. That's what want to think about. You need to make a motion to go skip to Okay. Item five. Okay. Can I get a motion to skip
to 5e? Motion to skip to 5e. Old business. Step down. Second that motion. Can I get a I motion passes. So, we're back at E conservation purpose application. Matt, do you have any
comments on on this particular area that you want to add? I think we've talked about this at quite length. [Music] Um, you know, if there's something that looks like it's going to be, you know, within the wetlands and we'll send it to
conservation. If not, then you know um you know certainly most repairs or repairs are repair [Music] um you know new construction I think winds up getting circulated anyway but that's the format it's um from the
engineer if it needs to go to conservation goes conservation if not just It's just up to you. Do the pro. Yeah, I'm fine with that, too. I mean,
I never mind. I'm not I have not I have nothing good to say, so I'm not going to say it at all. I'm just going to leave it at that. Yeah. No, just leave it at that. I mean, that that's fair. If conservation needs to get involved, that would be on the internet. Hi. Hi. on the
conservation agent. So, um we were just kind of wondering when the whole process changed because since about 2000 2001 something like that, conservation has
signed off. So when I think Bob and I uh last year modified the form in the fall and we included things like big save, we changed a couple of things on the form.
Um including requesting an air photo plat test locations. And usually that's needed cuz like on new perks if you think about it and a lot is like 10 acres uh or so or five acres and
conservation just kind of needs to know where they're going to do the perks so they don't just because in some instances we've had them like dig up large areas of places where they shouldn't necessarily. Um, the other thing is, you
know, conservation has the jurisdiction to determine what's a wetland and not a wetland. So, I guess we're just a little concerned because we have always signed off on um it's our jurisdiction to determine where
wetlands are. So, in this instance, it's like um Matt who's very very part-time. I'm only 25 hours a week, but Matt's even more part-time. Is going to be responsible now for deciding if it comes to us. Is that the new protocol? Because
we never got We thought it was if it's a repair. Am I correct? Repair. It's not. So neither. But in 2022, it got changed to if it was a repair, it just didn't it didn't need to go to conservation. If it
was a new build, then they would send it to conservation to look at it, right? And that's what we're still doing. So, we never were a part of that change in 2022. That's what we're saying. Well, fortunately, it's 2025. I wasn't here in
2022, but I there so back in September, I believe it was September when we changed. You and Barbara worked on the form and it was changed, right? Vinnie was not here. Okay. Uh, and then we decided to have a look at the way things were because what was happening is
people were waiting. They were only waiting um, and I have all the emails and notes on that. They'd only be waiting if they were supposed to provide us with something and they didn't. So, there were multiple times where forms were accepted. And I did bring this up
to Ralph as well where they didn't fill out the entire form. So, you know, they didn't have the dig safer, they didn't have the aerial. It was nothing to do with conservation. I was not holding anything up just to
make it for the record you to understand. And during that from 22 on, we still reviewed per well, as long as I was tasked it, the building, I'm sorry, the health director did not always task
that over. So that's where things changed with him. Now we want to get back because what we're finding is if you if we leave it up to the health agent, then we're going to leave that responsibility to you guys to determine
where where the wetlands are. That's not your Again, we're only not sending it to you when it's repairs. There's no reason that it needs to go to you for repair, right? Because that's what we have determined for our system. It's existing. It's repairs have to be
repaired, but if they are in a wetland jurisdiction that what the wetland surrounding that repair must be protected and again needs to be over to conservation.
He has no problem doing that. Nor do I. And I'm not we're not going to deny a repair. What we're going to say is this is what you have to do to protect outside of the zone so you don't pile up
the dirt, the soil in the wetlands and the I mean and then try to reclaim it and destroy it. That's where our jurisdiction comes in. So again, we're not there to deny it. It's got to be done. It's and it's a little bit more than that. So like if you think about so
I don't know if you know like other towns and how they operate but like for example Swansea the minute they get an application and they are requesting the board of health is requesting the conservation commission to sign off preliminarily whether or not that can
proceed or not. So and does the same thing. So I believe in my 25 years experience and I'm sure Matt agrees and we've talked about this previously that the sooner everybody knows that there's a wetland and that they may have to go
through conservation permitting the better. It's better not to do it after, right? After the perk, after the design, you know, um that's where we're coming. But and we're not we're not trying to to usurp that at all. Like we had But you
have to understand how it looks, right? But what we did is we had a long meeting. We had math. We had ref. We had we went through protocols. There's no protocols um really, you know, put for So I have
to input from Matt and what we what we found is is that when the engineer designs a plant it's say it's a new property and it needs septic system right or need a per test the engineer will designate on the drawing that it is
wet lands or it is not wetland. If it is that's what conservation if it isn't there isn't a reason for conservation to be involved. That's not true. Matt, can you comment? But it's up to Lisa as the agent to determine, not that engineer to
determine if it's wetland. Right. Lisa is the wetland scientist, not the engineer who may have no respon responsibility. They're not going to put it on the plan. So, we've seen plants come to us without
any wetlands, but there are actually wetlands because we have local bylaws here conservation, but we cover isolated wetlands and vernal pools and a lot of towns don't. And so, some engineers that don't work frequently in town don't even
realize that. Well, they're just trying to accommodate the homeowner and intentionally ignore it. That can happen. That's true. that if that's the case, then their license is in jeopardy and you can contact the state and have their license revoked. Yeah.
We're talking we're not talking about plans. We're not talking about system installs. We're talking about a perk test. That's all we're talking about. I don't know why we're getting off on a tangent, but it's a perk test. And a repair is repair. the engineers and installers or
whoever's doing the digging in my almost 20 years of experience has always done whatever we can to stay as far away from any potential possible wetlands or any issues or any sensitive
areas. The hole is dug at a very minimum amount. We do our perk test. The hole is refilled. There is nothing you can do about it on a repair. You can't deny a homeowner a new septic system that's in failure. That's going to cause more environmental damage the longer you wait
to repair it. That's all I'm gonna say. Well, we we understand that we want the sector system repaired. Um but I think Paul was trying to say something. Sure. Paul Reynolds, 257 Pearl Street. become a member of KCOM. Um, so I just want to
be clear that while I echo some of these concerns, um, I'm not and I don't believe that any of my colleagues are alleging any kind of deliberate impropriy by an engineer who is, you know, putting putting together a plan. I don't think there's
any attempt to mislead, you know, the board of health and the commission and the town of D. I don't think you know I I trust like Matt alluded to they have professional banks and government employees and placement requirements. Um but a couple of things are
that an engineer is not going to be in all likelihood flagging a wetland to actually delineate it prior to drawing up this map. It's more likely that it's going to be using things like GIS maps which are not considered accurate. Generally, you know, wetlands change
over time. When a GIS map is set, the wetland overlay overlay layer is added to it. It's a good general indicator that there might be wetlands, but it's really essentially worthless determining exactly where that wet wetland line is.
And if we were just going by the GIS maps and not requiring sites to be flagged and not asking the agent to go uh physically review them, there'd be a lot more wet basement and Don. There'd be a lot more flooded yards. There'd be
a lot more consequences of construction occurring in places where there really are more wetlands than appear on a map. And it's not an engineer's job or responsibility to go flag all of those wetlands every time they're going to um
every time they're going to drop a plan, right? It's it's going to be a problem rather approach. They're going to use tools that are there to give them a rough estimate. And then moreover, I do agree that a lot of engineers are very knowledgeable about the wetland protection act of the state level. Um,
we do have a local bylaw that has different buffer zones and um there's certain other protections like migratory access quarters and rental pools and things like that. And I have no interest in denying any septic repair, right? It's it's totally necessary. It has to
be done. And um I don't think that that's anything the commission wants to do or really even try to do, but we want to make sure that we are having a better, you know, a more grounded in reality
awareness of where the wetlands are or may be based on Lisa's knowledge, based on um her knowledge knowledge of wetlands, her ability to to identify them beyond just what's on a map.
And the engineers do they work for the applicant. They're going to take the most professionally ethical legal interpretation of where those wetland lines are in a way that is going to favor their client. Right? That's what they're being paid to do. They're not
doing anything wrong because it's not their job to go out and flag them and determine whether they're they're larger than they appear on the map. appears on the map, but any any engineer has been hired by an applicant to do a project for their betterment is going to um is
going to take a position that favors their client, right? Is we see it on conservation all the time where we have one proposal by an engineer that focuses on ABC and then we have a peer review that identifies problems XYZ
that were otherwise absent or had to be thought of. and we just want to make sure that we're protecting the resources, road controls and things that's grounded in our awareness where those resources actually are. Um I don't see this as as you know a jurisdiction
squ between boards or anything like that. It's just we want to make things efficient. And I think that uh a quick a quick review by the agent I think is is a good measure twice, cut once. And um as she said,
it's not like she's sitting on applications or holding things up. And it's not like we're trying to meddle in or sty somebody's repair and slow things down for them. Um that was just my concern. And as you said, per test are
exempt under the wetland protection act. Um, as long as there's a stipulation in the exemptions, as long as there's no wetlands across to get to the target location, which becomes a little bit of a short cat situation, it's it's tough
to tell often times whether something is wetlandified actually records something as a wetland. It's difficult to say that we're not crossing a wetland to get to a park location if the person who is the
town's expert resident at identifying those wetlands is not included in their determination. But those are just some of my concerns and I just wanted to I know it's a little longwinded. Sorry. And just wanted to kind of give some of the reasoning behind why I felt that way
because I I really do see this as a way to benefit the residents force the bylaw and just make sure all of our I see as a collaborative process. I don't see this as you know which agent is more qualified to make this determination. I
I don't see as anything like that. But, you know, we have we we have a great toolbox and I just think we should we should uh we'll make sure we use it to Thank you, Paul. Okay. So, I make a motion like
we're going to be voting on the perk test application. Um so, I believe the only change that was made to the form is $50 fee, correct? So a $50 fee may apply to Donation
Commission necessary by the health agent. So that was the only change on that particular form. Um now if I'm my memory serves me correct um when we changed the form in September we added the um the dig number and doesn't
have again. Okay. So it' be just that one one change. Just that one change. Yeah. All right. So I need a motion to Accept the application will be changed for test. I step down and second that motion. I motion
passes again. This is just for test per test application. Correct. All right. So going back um 1770 Oak the Ben program request. Where are we at with that?
There's a gentleman from Sure. So we can make another motion to go. Sorry everyone. I can get a motion to um go out of order and um that would be under the items not
reasonably anticipated within 48 hours. So section seven. Can I get a motion to um go reverse the order a little bit? Motion to reverse order to jump to item seven items not really anticipated 40. I step down and second that motion. Can I
get a vote? I motion passes. Hi, how are you? So, if the representative wants to come up and give us the details, you want to come up and Yeah, sure. Come on up.
I don't know if you you can use that. You can stay here. Whichever you feel most comfortable. I'm sorry. That's for you or Yeah, you can do it here. Yeah. So, um so just tell us who you are. Yeah, sure. Um, my name is Kira and I work on the owner representative and I
have the owner with me for 1965 uh County Street uh CN pizza store and uh we're planning uh we have the pizza store and uh the garage behind it. We willing to convert that garage into uh two residential units and one office
supporting the area. Um uh and that's one we have low density in residential. So, we're applying for exchange of views uh residential uh I mean exchange of use to add uh those uh two units and uh we have a septic system that covers um we
have a 2,000 uh u gallon per day uh the tank that we have for the septic system and um now the special uh the agency uh uh he said that we need uh 880 for the um for the
to cover the the two units. Okay. And all we need was just to get the those two units to be approved for the septic system. So um the owner he got the he got a paper from the water town water the water and sewer department. It
says this is one of the papers under 100 uh 100 gallon per day. or the last few years. Yeah.
So I I think in this case um so we have the report from the health agent. I think in this particular case we can make a recommendation um to you and and to the owner. Um I I'll let Vinnie speak out, but I I
think it's probably recommended that um he goes through the process maybe the title five get getting an inspector um and then possibly an engineer um to say whether or not all of the uh plan that
you have would work for that particular particular situation. So, I think it's easier um because we're going by what the health agent has reported to us. Um so, in his report, he denied both
apartments. I believe that he said there there could be one, but the system wouldn't allow for two. Um so, I think in order to save a whole lot of time and uh annoyance, I think it might be easier if the family went through the process.
Okay. I think that would be a little bit easier um to do. And it's not really it's the health agency doing like what he's supposed to do, right? He's going by guidelines from the state. He's going by guidelines from DP. He spoke with um an engineer directly to
see if there was a way that this could be done to get you what you want um with the two apartments, but there isn't. So, uh you could reapply to get one apartment, which would be supported and and that would be okay. But if you
wanted to go forward with the two, then it would be something you would have to, you know, go to the state, you'd have to um increase the septic uh and the and the water flow as well. Matt, right? I don't think he's on.
But according to Matt would be not only the septic, but it would also be the water um you know, the water flow would have to be increased um you know to that 880 uh gallons. Okay. So per day. And the reasoning behind that is is is also
is like, you know, you could say, "Oh, there's only going to be one person in there, but maybe further down the road there isn't." Maybe further down the road it's two people, it's three people. We're not going to monitor that. We're not going to know that, right? And then, you know, then it's in violation and
then it comes back on town. So, uh, we go by what Matt goes by, Matt Tannis, who's the health agent, but he's also going by the guidelines from the state. Mhm. So that's that's where we're at. You could have one apartment there if you reapply or two if you increase
septic in and meet that waterfall. Okay, I got it. instead of starting, you know, with just doing the one, if if you're or his intention is to do the two apartments, it might be easier just to go through that process. And we have no problem down the road looking at what you have once you go through the title
five inspector. Yeah. And then, you know, hiring the engineer as long as they, you know, come up with an appropriate plan. You could no problem doing that. You could bring it to us beforehand to make sure that it before you go and spend the money that it all is going to work and we could have that review and go, "Yep, that's fine." And
go forward. Okay. So, I'll start with the uh the the title file inspection for the option. So, yeah, going back to his option or his approval about two bedrooms. He mentioned that I know that it's calculated by bedrooms for the residential. Correct. So, can we have
those two bedrooms separate split them into two apartments instead of one because we we already have bunch of area like the floor plan and I'm architectural designer and the the floor plan is wide open. So in in like so what you're saying is have two apartments with one bedroom one bedroom and one
bedroom. about the the total our question twobedroom same same number of bedrooms that would be a question for yeah what we can do is maybe ask Matt um about that and have him yeah that might work in the meantime also we have the
the the restaurant it's uh 20 20 seats and 24 20 24 that's the license and but he already got rid of one table so he has only 20 and he's willing to move one more table. So the to I think it would still be the same. Unfortunately, I
think it's five restaurants. Yeah, this is the restaurant. But I mean, if it's if we're going to do this is going to be like for the option that I'm saying one bedroom each apartment and if he said something, we can also do that option. Like I'm just saying that we have
already 20 seat and you know it's it's an access option. believe that he looked at that because I believe that that's something he already spoke to you about or spoke to the owner about. So, I think that was already taken into consideration and that was still the outcome. So, I think you're still better
off um perhaps talking, you know, hiring someone. Um we can mention to that maybe he can give you a call. Um do you have a business card? Oh, it's my car. I'll grab one. Okay. And then just drop it on the table and we can make sure he gets it and then uh he can call you. I don't
know that answer unfortunately. option. He's a professional expert in that category. So, I don't want to give you the wrong answer. Yeah, I will I will excuse me. I will have the first option with the title five to be inspected to see if we're willing to do the four bedrooms, but I will need that answer
for instead of two two one apartment to be two apartments in the same number of four of bedrooms. Two just two bedrooms, right? Got it. Right. All right. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. Thank you for coming. with I'll keep calling you if you will.
I'm sorry. I'll talk to Matt and then I'll give you a call. Okay. I'll grab a business card as well. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So, going back to the 1770 program, I'm sorry, you started to say
where we Yeah. So, I edited some applications that I found that other towns use and I feel to them. Um, yeah. So, there's just one change I have
to make on it, but Okay. If you are in agreement with those applications, that's what we use. Yeah. I mean, everything that I reviewed looks Okay. To me, um I just up anymore. Yes.
So, if I may, we've been we've been having conversations with with the homeowner and um they haven't proceeded with anything yet because we haven't had a better program process. Right. So once we had a veteran program process through
the agreement of the board of health we could I would reach out and then he could you know he didn't want to say his system failed because then to do but but we should have Yeah absolutely
um did you want to add continue to add anything thank you very much. Um, all right. So, I think it's just uh approving that application. Um, so we can go forward with process. Um, can I get a motion on
approving the application? Motion to approve application. I step down and second that motion. Can I get a vote? I motion passes. Hopefully that can move on and we can get that done. the middle and
they boards of health are very helpful. So maybe you can take Yeah, a little bit. All right, so moving on. 2651 Pleasant Street update. Don't think Matt had an update
on that last time. No, she's not here. Um, so I called Ellie. um after we had um some input from that and um basically there's there's nothing
that we can do in regards to that. Um there's nothing to enforce because there's nothing that's enforceable. So I I called Ellie directly and I explained it to her. Um you know we can't limit you know Don is a right to farm
community. We can't limit you know Why can't we limit how many ducks they have? We can't do that. You know, as long as they're um in the guidelines and they're not breaking any any any uh rules and the ones that they had, they repaired. So,
um you know, it's unfortunate that the neighbors have to go through that. I explained that to Ellie and then I told her that um you know we had talked with V Hugo and state and he had explained that to us that her option would be to
file a nuisance complaint which I'm going to communicate to her. I'll give her a call and I'll give her Mike's um information. She can go through through Mike. He would be he said he would help and then file a nuisance complaint u against the neighbor. That's really all
that we can do in in that regard. So, I mean, I think you should be a good neighbor, but you know, we can't enforce something that is uninforceable. So, and I think we still need to wait until this weather breaks if it ever breaks and
gets warm. Um, I know that we we all said that we would go with season today. Sure. And it is definitely flooded and it's going to get even more flooded. Yeah. But I want people to be aware she does not have a hundred ducks on that property. If she has
30, it would be a stretch. She has other birds on her property which you don't see, but I went by there and I could count 10. I know there's a lot there's more than 10, but there's no way there's 100 bird ducks on her property. There are other birds. She has peacocks and chickens and exotic chickens and that
kind of stuff that you don't see because they're behind the garage and you see the back of that coupe when you drive down. uh through the park. But I went by they're off stand and there was maybe 10 that I could chase. So there's probably 20 to 25 ducks. I know people have said
there's 100 ducks. I have never seen 100 bucks on that property. Those those are their words. I know. But I have never seen 100 ducks on that property. So we're going to go down that tack and then hopefully that will will go forward. But there's nothing more that we can do than that.
There's nothing you can do. There's nothing that Matt can do. So, um, hopefully it gets resolved that way. We'll keep an eye on it. I mean, I'm sure that they'll she'll file another complaint doesn't get any resolution from the state, but
there's nothing more that we can do on that. So, on that, I guess we're going to have to make a motion. Maybe we can make a motion just to um keep an eye um at some point um if we have to once the weather breaks to go to the site visit.
Yeah, we'll do a um a motion to um plan a site visit for 26 2651 street once the weather breaks maybe second passes. Okay, moving on to D curbside
recycling increase. We have a PowerPoint presentation in our packet. We do which one is it up there? So I I could say the current type is Yeah. Do you
want the review of sanitation at the Chrysler? Yes. Do you want to cover that under that? I'd be happy. Do you want to cover? I don't know. This refers to contract.
So maybe the um we'll handle this one under trash bag provisions. I think that's maybe the presentation is more for applicable applicable to the uh to the enterprise fund. Okay. If if it's the
right board. So no again we have not gotten as aware our curbside pickup is is is set to renew went out with Mr. before this and you know he
gave us good numbers pretty good contract this one was to present it present the numbers to the board of health so so you're aware of it I know it's um in combination of review by the board of health waste reduction committee before it gets approved by
people by by the select pretty much in line but there has been there's been an increase in fees um primarily the increase as a result of um the increase in in um these do fall
under um prevailing prevailing wages. So effective is as close as it could but those are the numbers. We already we already budgeted the numbers. Um, so that's where I think we had to answer any questions about the board
just so we did uh I know we about maybe about two months ago and another associated numbers we received some increase in recycling fees which we also um put into our anticipated increase in
recycling. Yeah. So he he's projecting 2026 498,000 for 2027 20 26 to 27 519,000 and 27 to 28
543,000 that's quite an increase each year that's from Voyage that would be an increase and that would that would be dep. So then he's looking at per hall 250 then 275 200 that's not
so you have down transfer station. Yeah to the transfer station. That's not so so how much is this going up for the public? Um what what are we looking at for numbers?
So uh the general in is about 8%. So that would be the the dub stickers. We increase the price of those. No, we haven't touched those. Well, at at this
point uh for fiscal year going forward fiscal year 26, we haven't made we're not um we're not proposing any changes to to the to the bay prices. Okay. Um what I what I'm going to speak about um in a few minutes is for fiscal year 27.
Okay. The price one. Yeah. Because I was going to say we already raised the price this year. Yeah. For this school year, right? Okay. So these were at least 50% increases per year from year one, year two, year three
from 49 just some right. So, do we need to approve that? I'm just going to move on to the presentation. [Music] Um, can we do the
presentation that again? Right. The presentation is that if if the town accepts the enterprise fund, right? A lot of the calculation of the of the fees would fall upon the board waste reduction committee. So I want to
present this to you so you're aware. So so you know I need to go to because you'll be presenting this to the town. Yes. Well, right. Yeah. The town will vote on this. Yes. Okay. June. the presentation will go through
[Music] I'm trying to was a Is this what you're going to run at the time here? Pretty close to it. This is pretty much the same uh presentation I did to the selection uh for the selection office about two weeks
[Music] ago. All right. But at the end of April, the selecting um you know wanted to entertain the thought of an of an enterprise fund. So, so the reason why the we're looking
at enterprise fund for fiscal year 27, this is the projected budget. So, um as you see on the bottom the bottom right hand corner, um we look like we're going to have a shortfall of about $1.2 million. Now, um the shortfall, we are
not using free cash to uh to cover any of the shortfall with this. Made some assumptions with increases in education. um I didn't increase um local local receipts or or anything like that. So,
you know, usually for for projecting purposes, you lower you, you know, keep your revenues down and you kind of go up a little high on your expenses. So, but you know, I 1.2 is a is a fairly realistic number. I'm sure our short
somewhere between$100,000 and $1.2 million. So um the the select men are acutely aware of this. So how do we make up uh how do we make up that shortfall for fiscal year 27? There are several
options that we're looking at. One is a reduction in service and personnel. Um some of those service you know personnel reduction is pretty easy to figure out. service reductions may include private you know privatization of of treasury
bill. Um next one is a debt exclusion. Um right now one of the reasons why uh we have such a significant shortfall is that our obligation to uh Bristol Plymouth and Bristol AI all are paid at
general funds. Right now that uh that debt number is about $720,000 a year. Next year it'll be 810,000 for fiscal year 27. Fiscal year 28 will be north of uh north of
$200,000. I'm sorry, north of $900,000. Um the other, you know, the other thing would be a proposition two and a half override and lastly is a is the enterprise fund which we're going to be looking at
right now. So when we enterprise fund um is a fee it's a fee for services. So when we look at you know what what are the relative services that the town provides um as you can see the largest chunk is is education. Um not u you know
very um similar to a lot of other towns. Um, you can see that we provide public safety, um, fire and and, uh, highway highway services. As you can see, I pulled out the pie a little bit for for sanitation
services. Right now, sanitation is about $950,000 a year. So, just to put it in perspective, what does it mean? As you can see, the the light blue line is uh is police, which is about $2 million a year. purple line next to it is is fire
which is about 1.8. Uh next to that is is a highway which is 1.1 and and line which is follows closely behind it is sanitation which for fiscal year uh 26 for the fiscal year 26 budget is about
approximately $950,000. Um right so this is uh this is the breakdown from 2024 2025 2026 as you can see uh trash trash has been there's just it's been increasing a lot as you know has been part of the board health a
lot of because tipping fees uh it's just trash is trash is going up so what is it what is an enterprise fund an enterprise from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts uh allows towns to u
sort of break out uh the services utilities which they provide uh which they provide to the community and as a as a separate as a separate entity fee same way we here in diamond we do sewer which is an enterprise fund uh it's a
service that's provided and it is a is a a fee for service So to adopt an enterprise fund um first things first we we presented at this uh annual town meeting on June 9th
and the the language association is the city to see if the town of Diamond will accept the provisions of chapter 44 establishing a sanitation enterprise fund. Okay. Once we establish an
enterprise fund, it becomes effective the next fiscal year. So by by voting yes for it in June, it will not go into effect until July 1st, 2026, which is
Can I ask you a question? I know that you refer to uh the sewer department and it's based on usage. So would the trash enterprise system based on usage or would it be for
every home would pay the same because that's going to be a huge issue. That's an excellent question and I will get to it in one of my slides. Um so uh so how do we implement an enterprise fund? Right? You establish the enterprise fund
at town meeting. Uh then you establish budget and then a funding and accounting system and then every year you do an analysis to make sure the fees you collected match uh match the usage um determining cost. This is looking at uh
direct and and indirect costs. but to put it into um oops. So um so you see so we're trying to figure cost in 2024 the the uh waste reduction uh
committee put forward a sort of a proposition and this was to cover part of the uh part of the sanitation fees. And as you can see, they had um um something right a fee collected by each
household was $200 and if you were senior 75 and older, 65 and older, there's a few of them. So, um they did a reduced reduced bill. So, Russ go back to that. So, it would be one of those options that Tom
would choose or not. Not now. That's that's uh this is sort of creating the history of of the town of Dyson as it as it looks as it looks at the bees on how to come out. The next slide sort of if we went to all the
households which use uh which use trash which trash pick up. So um you know I the numbers fluctuate by base it on 2,630 homes. Um D has us at $2,800
uh 2,800 homes, but regardless, this is kind of these are the numbers we were looking at. If we to just do a flat fee, which is collected um at with our quarterly taxes, so everybody pays the same thing
regardless of usage, we're looking at approximately $360 per year, which is $90 per quarter. The second thing is if you use a sticker and a uh a sticker and and the bags, that would be
approximately again $200 per year and plus plus the cost of the bags, the current cost for the bags. If we just do straight bags, we're looking at uh $7 for the large bag, 350 per per the small
bag. If you look at each of these each of these three options and again if the if the enterprise fund gets voted in June this is something I will be working with the board of health and the solid waste reduction uh solid waste reduction
committee. The probably the the one the most predictable would be uh the quarterly the $360 $360 per quarter. It's not the fairest, but it's the most 60 per year. Per year that will never
pass. That is the most predictable, but it's not not the fairest. The one that is uh probably keeps keeps pay prices in in line would be the um again the sticker the sticker and the bed. That's
a little more complicated, a little more a little fairer than uh than the than the previous one. What does that mean? We'll stick around a bit. They put Well, here's the thing. Again, I say it's a little more complicated because the sticker, we would have to put uh
residents would go in, buy their yearly sticker, keep the sticker on a trash can, and then use the bags. So, so, so the so the collection trash collection would know which households have have paid for it. Okay. And one probably is
this recycle or is this just trash? Trash. Trash. So the one which is probably as you could say the fair straight usage would be would be the bags just increase the bag fees. It's the only one I like. So that
one has the endorsement of of Mr. Woods. So just just noted it's noted. So I did the selectment are leaning heavily leaning towards uh towards just
the bags. So this is this is brand new which I'm going to be showing to them tomorrow. So you're the first to see um the bag costs uh bad cost analysis. So the projected costs again large bag is
33 gallons which is $7 per bag. Small bed 15 gallons 350 per bag. How much could you fit in a bag? Right. In a large bag, you could fit approximately 25 pounds. A small bed 12 pounds. Well,
how does that translate? In 2023, the average household in Don generated 1,241 pounds of church. So um just again if we just use a 4%
escalation um in fiscal year 2027 right uh you know with 350 this year be about 382,000 next year. Uh estimated household use if everyone just
uses a large bag exclusively they use 49.64 64 bags a year. That comes out to $348. Small bags use 103 $362. Actual bags purchased in 2024 was
112 112,750 40 4550 small bags and to projected bag purchases in 2025. I have I have up there. Um, if I put that up
there because if fiscal year 2027 bag sales match 2025, the projected sales uh using the same numbers, $7350, that means that we would have collected slightly over a million dollars uh to
apply to sanitation cost. And then and and as we go through like what do we do? Is this is something we want to do? And then um we could start looking into a senior discount with an estimated excess fee collection. The town may consider introducing like a
senior discount uh you know saving you know one package per month at a discounted price to be determined. So in addition to to that, the town would also would also implement um some um some
waste reduction in initiatives, including a reintroduction of recycling initiatives. Uh doing waste reduction and backyard compost programs because food and compostable material represents
about 28% uh of our trash. So if you could compost it or or or recycle it then that's less you have to put in your bags and less bags you have to use. uh next step so the uh the you know the
border selecting are looking to move forward with this we'll present these uh uh the enterprise fund at town meeting and if it's accepted then I work with both you and so waste committee and then we uh introduce the enterprise fund
again for fiscal year 2027 and we take the expense the trash expenditures out from the general fund and that's that's Thank you. I like what you said about maybe doing some other stuff with the trash like
composting and stuff. Other communities have done that and they've sold composters at a really cheap price at their landfill. I think they did it in San years ago. They did. As a as a matter of fact, they're looking to have a table at
Chick. Yeah. Talk about talk about Yeah. No, that's a great idea. to show people what you can have. Again, because it's 28% of your waste is food product. I'm not here to give you a hard time on every little thing, but I I I am
going to tell you how I know the people and I know the voters. They're never going to go for auction A or B, but the bad situation I think is the way to go. It's fair and it's equitable. Uh, and I appreciate all the work you've done to,
you know, to present all this, but you know, I told you about the square wheels. They they still hold true, but that's that's why I didn't want I didn't want tell me to pass it then.
No, you should you should know where we're at. And uh again, this was the first available meeting for me to No, I think it's good. Really well done. You know, we always say it's
like long as you're transparent, right? If you just increase the bad price to $7 and you didn't say anything, they'd be they'd be out there with pitchforks, you know, torches. But if we can explain why, and this is these are the reasons why, and the costs are going to increase. Um, and I think it matches as
I said, we're very, you know, we're very close for the the budget short, which I think people people understand. Yeah. No one in the town wants to pay more tax. That's for sure. It's good to have options. Options is good, right?
You know, I think that that it's equitable and it's fair. Um, I compost myself, right? And I maintain my trash. I did too. I do a pretty good job, you know, taking care of it. Yeah.
Just a little more awareness for most residents. And once you realize that the bag is going to cost you a little more, you might do a little better job. Sure. Thank you.
Have a vote or make a motion rather. [Music] Yeah. Recycling. All right. Make a motion to accept the curbside increase after. Yeah. If approved by second that motion can be approved. I
motion passes. [Music] So he he just had his own spect. Yeah. So I did see that we have here I looked at it. It doesn't look terribly
bad. No, it's it's um still needs to be addressed. Yeah. He just wanted to know what our process was. I think that would be that would be a math question, I'm sure. So maybe we can um why don't we table that
and uh give it over to the health agent and uh and go from there. So if I can get a motion to table that. Yep. Motion to table u item 5 safety inspection clip here. Set down that motion
can motion passes. Right. So we've gone over the uh the business. probably not anticipated within 48 hours. Um, public input. Um, could I ask if there's any
additional followup necessary or what what steps or what additional, you know, looking at is a regressive 1901 street. Um, because I I spoke with the resident um who provided us some pictures as well. they did to to the board if you you had
the opportunity to review the pictures that they took. Oh yes, that was the one with the with the um wires hanging out in the in the hole. That wasn't it? Matt went out there on Friday and they had a
installer doing some repairs. The in he told the installer to come in and pull a permit because they were doing it without permit. Um, so the installer called this morning and he said he was going to come in and get a permit for what work he was doing. So that way
everything's legit and Matt can walk in the inspections. So I'm just waiting on the install. I think that's still going to have to be looked at. Um, we didn't discuss it today. Everything is still um ongoing with what Liz just
mentioned, but I do think it's something that we need to look at. Yes, I um I spoke with the resident there. They came in and actually asked for for a Lisa and they provided us a um she had a conversational targeted conversation with me. They provided us a bunch of pictures. They said just the last two
years. So, for for two years, according to the testimony from the resident, um the septic tank has been overflowing and they have run a hose into it in a pump and have been pumping the excess sewage out into the woods which borders a
parcel that's currently in applicant for 4 acre subdivision. Okay. Is and that site there's an adjacent wetland directly behind that property. Yep. And uh this
was the res that person's five. Yeah. So by the time Matt got out there, Lisa had already gone. So the homeowner started covering up his tracks before Matt got there. I tried to communicate through Liz to Matt, but I never get a
call back. I never ever get a call back. Just so you guys know, I don't know what's going on. Well, did you work? I keep my phone on after hours and I tell Liz I'll keep it on and I keep it on on Fridays and I never get a call back. You
probably would probably call you back on Friday unless it was extreme emergency. Did you notice anything when you went out there? Because by the time you got there everything was very Yeah, I have photos. Um there was a hose and there was a a wire. So they were clearly
pumping stuff out. And the renter told me that um if too many because there's a lot of people living in the house. If too many people are running water and showering or whatever at the same time. Like her son couldn't be
showering and her running the dishes. It backs up. Yeah. and that she's seen toilet paper go in the woods. I however did not feel comfortable walking like she's just, you know, a renter. So I didn't feel
comfortable walking the whole property, but it was obviously concave in that area like there was something going on with the central system. So hopefully they're mitigating that. Yeah. Not my, you know. Yeah. Well, Matt going there
would have prompted building to go in and do an inspection on the plumbing and electrical, but yeah, Matt didn't have the opportunity to go in because everything was done. What do you mean everything's gone?
Everything was gone. The wires were gone. The hose was gone after that. They covered their tracks and moved everything. Yeah. So, you have photographs Yeah, I don't think it I don't think it mitigates what
they're doing. Yeah. No, it doesn't. No, I don't think I don't think it does that. Everybody's on scene. They probably quickly, you know, I asked to come in and report on what he found out there because Yeah, they said
it was it was it was obviously Yeah. not running. Yeah. Right. That's their professional responsibility to report to you what they found. Well, I mean, um, couldn't you guys require a time
inspection? Isn't that just what he's going to do? That's what I asked him. Yeah. So, when Matt goes there, that's what he would probably do. And then hopefully that resolves that that whole situation. Um, but clearly they I mean, again, we can't say for certain, but they must have got they got a heads up.
They quickly covered covered as much as they could, but it's not gonna stop what they're doing. They're doing the same thing. They probably just buried it so that he couldn't see it. But Matt was going to know that when he goes there and then we'll I did see those I did see the photo. We saw the photos. Um uh and
then we'll see what Matt says and then we'll go from there. So now there's something that might be enforceable, right? So then we would just take whatever steps that we have to in order to make sure that they're, you know, in compliance. They have, they would have to be. I'm waiting for the inspiration
and then Matt can go out there and do the inspection on what you fixed. Okay. So there'll definitely be more information coming. And if this does end up being as septic repair, this is a great testament to a circumstance where
communication between conort health on septic repair could be could be especially when we're dealing with what might end up potentially being a large scale contamination. Absolutely. I mean I I agree 100% that
we definitely have to communicate and keep those lines of communication open. But what we're saying is that we're going to rely a lot on like what the engineer says and what Matt says. And so in other words, it's like we don't want you guys to go there every single step.
We don't think that's necessary. And um if there's even an income an inkling or a thought that it should be necessary to say hey you know conservation rate you know and that would be Matt's call and that would be
you know a call again we're not we're not saying no to to to any carriers we're saying if you know they determined that they're necessary it's clearly a violation like this this one is clearly a violation, right? So, if you look at
this and they've been dumping sewer down that far into that hole, and I know enough about revival, the science, and I love, but it's going to run off and it's going to go into wetlands and it's going to pollute. That's that's easy. That's an easy call.
So, yes, then we would definitely get you in there, but it may have even if it's been going on for two years, it may have even created an emergent wetland in the back, right? So, yeah. So definitely, you know, 100%. Again, we're not we're not saying no, you know, to to
everyone. We're just saying, you know, it it's got to be deemed necessary and, you know, we would we would definitely include you include you guys. Of course, in this case, of course. You know, we're not we're not saying it's going to be a blatant no. That's not it. No, not at
all. Not at all. Not at all. We're just trying to think of like, you know, cost savings, you know, to the town, but also to protect the town as well, right? So it it's it's it's it's both sides. It's both sides of the coin, right?
Yeah. It definitely to me I mean in our experience and John because before I was here five years ago, we had a volunteer complete volunteer board and um Charlie Melo who was in his 80s did the best he could to review things but you know
things did fall through the cracks. They relied on looking at some wetland mapping that was online which is completely inaccurate. In Dyon we have much more extensive wetlands. There's large transition zones. There's wood
bridge soil everywhere which there's a lot of farmers. So over the years they dig areas and then once they become scoured and it's like they develop hydra soils. Um, in any case, so a lot of high
ground water at um, well, the entire town's high water. They live on a hill. Yeah. So, you understand. But, you know, basically, we're just trying to avoid the situation where say we get a
call, they they were digging early this morning, right? It would save a lot of headaches if I could say, "Oh, yeah. I know they're doing a perk there just the communication which is why I think we brought it to the board of selectman's
attention when we were talking about the permitting and compliance teams basically we brought it to the board of selectman and ral's attention that we thought that you know would be very useful if the board of health was on permit link because you know we could
communicate that way it's by law everybody is you know you must know about permit link no I have not I've not heard was at that meeting But what is it just like an internal email type of thing? No, it's a permanent database. So what Paul's on it
as a treasurer? He he signs up. Yeah, I I do it for tax status verification. Basically, we have a bylaw that if somebody's put on their taxes for more than 60 days, that that shall be caused in a permit. Um so what happens with um you know construction permits being
issued? They basically just task me. So, we have a um we have a login. We log in morning. We check to see if we've been assigned any tasks. We pull up the property. We check the um and we we look up the property. We look them up in motor vehicle excise. Verify they don't owe anything. And then we just change
the hold drop down to approved and then we put you know good or we'll put a hold and say you know person owes 25 Q1 or something like that. It even is all set up so that they can put in their contact information. So they don't have to wait
for a response to be funneled through an office. It's very busy and has a lot going on. So what would happen is they can log in their email of record and I can just type in your Q1 property text and please contact you know this office to pay. I can just click the send button and without even logging into my email.
generates a system generated email and sends it right to them record and everyone else who's the user can go right in look at the history and see that would be extremely helpful especially in in the case like this oh because if if we say gets a call from
somebody that says oh so and so is digging and it's you know or like like I said the situation I'm talking about is the the the property with the open 1901 yeah 1901 I mean that would be extremely helpful now go back and look at the at home the history.
Yes. It's all the cost of it. The cost of it. Yeah. We don't have any money. So, but we were told when Michael was here, we were told that there was money in the budget for this for the board of health. Yeah. So, like Jim said he was
IVR had said he was working on getting the board of health on a few years ago. We were told that. So, I guess with the file documents, what are you scanning documents now? That's all how we told process the that grant paid for our
files is all electronic. So that just scanned all our documents that wasn't permanently I can ask Jim is it something you have access permanently? No. I will say the building commissioner is really knowledgeable knowledgeable about it. Um, so if you
have any questions or you know like how could it be used by board he's he's going to know different applications for it that I'm not thinking of but so if he has if he has access to it then we could just ask him for like a history on something like this and have him pull it and then I
want to say it was 6,000 of 10,000 to get us on that but if we could get it from Jim if we just ask him and say hey pull let us give us copies of everything on 1901 and we can look at it that way something like that you I think we're just more kind of just
concerned about like the process between departments interacts, you know. So like treasurer, planning, zoning, conservation, we could all just log in and kind of see and then you know I've
been on it since that was the plan years ago. Everybody was supposed to be on. Yeah, you've been talking about it for years. But if it's if it's a cost but it's the cost for a license of $6,000 or so. But then you got to pay an annual fee. I was just gonna ask that it must be like there's a user fee too
through the it's it's not dead. We're we're continuing to um because um I've in other towns I've used the system like that. And it does and it does uh I'm not I'm not even licensed fund it. So so it does um it goes out to the appropriate uh
committees the boards committees department for for sign and that's maybe in the future. I mean I'll ask Jim where where he was it was in the when he was the on the Yeah. Because if we if we can
utilize this license then there's no reason for us to have one if we know each department has to have its own designated that's how that's how the board of health will see all of our permits all of our locations of permits
will be put online so people would just go online and you can see it remotely Matt can see it remotely be you know so much more efficient just a suggestion from another board we time that makes really makes a difference for us to know what's going.
It sounds great. It's just the money part. I'll find out. We'll have to wait and see how it [Music] see. All right. So, do we have anything out? So, we need to rush everyone. I'd
like to know nice to dream about all these things. Yeah. About the health agent that works on the weekends. Do you have any intentions of getting a health agent that works during the week? Well, I think for right now this seems to be
working for us. Um, you know, we interviewed extensively. We spent months trying to find somebody who's qualified. So, um, you know, with Matt and his experience, he's he's quite knowledgeable of I just don't think it's fair to the residents and the other
employees in the town to have somebody that just works the weekends. You know, if something's going on, there's nobody else here. And when everybody else is here, he's not here. But you realize he's only being compensated for the hours he works. He's not
part here during the week, right? So if there was can work with the people that are working. If there was an emergency, he is available. He would be available. We also have Cliff, right? I just don't think it's right to have a guy working on the weekend. Yeah. I just don't think
it's right. And it doesn't benefit the town at all. The communication with Lisa is just about new. I mean, she's off on the weekends and when she It might be good to do, but but you know, I'm sure if you ask Matt, he would say the same.
So, well, you know, something Matt was just gone. He's he seemed like he was caught up in an attitude, right? I don't I can hear his voice. I don't think that this is right now a time or place to be. What does he have? I've
never We're in public input. If you want to schedule another time, I'm talking to her. Yeah, I'm talking to you. I'll say I think I mean you know we have $50,000 for a health agent. So well you know
something that that was my next thing that was my next thing the budget will work for that price. So maybe you need to find some more money in the bucket somewhere. Where would that buy a
couple did you see? You were just that PowerPoint presentation right? I know you weren't sleeping. looking at that screen. No, but you is a very important decision, right? On the weekend, I think it's unfair and that's why it took us so long
to hire somebody. We could have hired many people, but did they have the qualifications or the experience? No. No. So, you hired some predeem or food safe course and that's all the I'm just saying I think somebody needs to be here during the week.
It's something we could definitely uction after hours. He's available. Yeah, he he does. And again, we have click Pierre as well. We had no luck finding health agent period at all. How many months, Tammy? Well, you know what?
Because everybody in Southeast Mass knows how messed up this is. Oh, okay. It's been that way for a while. I'm sorry. It doesn't reflect on you because you knew it. I think that both of you are doing a good job. You are and I have been working very hard. But prior to you
two coming on, this place has been a mess. Yeah, I understand. A mess. That's why we we're working so hard to make it better. Well, you know something? I think it'd be better if we have an update here during the week. Okay. Duly noted, sir. Yes, Paul.
I I know that um Matt spoke with the install where person said that they were going to be coming in to get a permit and I know you're going to give a little little bit of time to let them go about doing what they have to do to make that happen, but
just out of curiosity is the board is there a timeline you think on like how long do you think before you want to see the application or because we're we're just thinking from a conservation perspective that Well, I think there's still going to taking showers. No. Yeah. This is something that's going to have
to be this is going to have to be high on our radar, right? Because this is serious. So, I think we need to um check in with Matt on Friday. I told you this week to get Yes. So, that if we have to, we'll have an
emergency meeting if we have to on that particular subject. Now, you should be you saying, "Oh, check in with Ben on Friday, but he's off Friday." No, he's not here Friday. You work Friday? No, no, no. I'm not Matt's here Friday and they told you
to check in with Matt on Friday. We will check in with Matt. There's no reason for Paul to check in. Everything goes to you. Well, this is, like I said, this is on the top of our radar because it's something that's very serious. We both
acknowledge that, right? So it's like we we as as conservationists with the resource areas in the back like we want to give you know I can't speak for the commissioner it's like I want to give the board of health the first bite of the apple because it's a septic issue board of health like that's that's how
um but you know this might be a D issue this might be very well could be yes right so I guess that was my question like how long do we give the board of health to get an application from them and have a game plan right to escalate. Yeah. But I do think
I do think that in a situation like this, we need to have something some type of plan in place where and I'm not trying to criticize Lisa, but coming from my background in law enforcement, um I would say that, you know, you sort
of need to plan with other divisions. If I don't know what was said because I can't remember what was said as far as the complaint. Um, but if it was something that sounded pretty serious, then maybe I knew that Matt through Liz. That's I told you
not to go on Friday though. I did tell I was going out there Friday. But no, no, no, wait a minute. Let's back up. When Paul got contacted, it was because they had already come to you and hadn't gotten a response and then Paul contacted me. I waited a day. I'm got you were going to
provide me with photos. Didn't get anything. I wanted to be responsive to her. So, I contacted her and I went out and then I contacted you and said have Matt contact me. But he never did. I actually asked you. I said I wanted to talk directly with Matt. It was
important for me to talk because I want to come up with a game plan too. That's that's the thing. Right. Aside from that, you know, I'm not trying to blame everybody, but maybe in the future, now this would be a prime example of we need to have some game plan in place or a game plan in place
where, you know, if something arises like this, yeah, we can all each division can can kind of line up and say, you know, well, absolutely, but I don't think it's not going to happen right the second. I think this is something that we need to talk about, you know, again, it might just be an emergency meeting.
Yeah, it's just talking about that particular issue, right? You know, it's hard when there's so many different topics in one particular meeting. So, maybe we should have a special meeting and just, you know, talk about that particular and even if we have to come in on a Friday, we we do want to do a
workshop with you guys just to work things out so we don't have to go back and forth for a three two or three hour. Yeah. So let just say this is a lesson for all of us not to put blame on anybody but this is a lesson for all of us that you know we all need to communicate and come up with something
where if a situation like this arises how are we going to handle it what are we going to do? Yeah. Um that way, you know, because this this Yeah. We want to be responsive. This seems like emergency. Yeah. It's serious, especially with what's being said. If
that is true, then we need to have something. It's been going it's been going on too long. So, it's got to be addressed. Liz says that, you know, Matt's going to go out there Friday and then I think we go from there, right? And then if he and then
that's if we and again like Tamron said we have to call an emergency meeting we'll do that. Yeah. You know and then we can all all get together and figure out what's going on. Obviously this is where this is where this crosses you know between both of us between the
board of health and the conservation committee that this has been going on so long. It's like well I think there'd be some also some other divisions in there. Sure would. Well, yeah. Fire and fire alarms weren't working. So, the fire chief should have been involved in that. There should have
been a lot of problems involved. So, that's a big, you know, crossplatform. I know them off by going to Wait a minute. I tipped them off by I was trying to complain about instead of trying to call people out. Why don't we
do this? Why don't we set up something um where we can all meet and and come up like adults come up with a plan instead? Somebody had to respond. They called the board of health and nobody did anything. I set an appointment on Friday. Hold on. That's what happens
when you got a part time guy on weekend. Hold on. So, why don't we set up a meeting? Um today the 20th, I would say in the next couple or week, we'd have time. Sure. I'd say week because we don't want to wait too late, too late, but tomorrow
or something. I'm available this Thursday or next Thursday. I'm away for a couple days around Memorial Day. When isn't Memorial Day this weekend? Next is it Monday. It's this Monday. Yeah. So, we'll we'll come up with something. We'll we'll if I have to organize it,
I'll organize it. Okay. Did I just get to another thing? No. We'll figure it out. You can text the directly on my phone. Okay. We'll come up with something and then I will make
sure that I check in with Matt, find out. I'll find out what time he's going. Okay. And find out where we're at with this. Yeah. Because Matt will report right back in. He'll report to Liz. We'll get in touch with Liz and then we'll figure it out from there. And then Tann said, we can set up a meeting.
Yeah. If I don't see the installer coming in with the permit in the next day, I'll call him and reach out to him and say, "Hey, you need to come get a permit. This needs stuff." I just talked to him this morning, possibly could have came in while I've been up here. So, you know, you know, that's the problem with
this part time guy. Something arises during the week, we got to wait till Friday for that to show up. I I wait I think you've said that about five times and we do not know that. Trust me, I'm going to keep saying I know you are. I'm going to put it on Facebook. No, you are too. We won't change anything, but we
keep saying we get it. All right, we're going to end that public input because we're just going around in a circle. Um, so next on the agenda number nine, approve meeting minutes 4 uh 4:15 2025. Good health
regular meeting. Can I get a motion to approve those minutes? Motion to approve item nine meetings from 4:15. I sit down and second that motion. Can I get a vote? I I motion passes. Schedule next meeting June 17th. June 17. Okay. And
then we will figure out when the emergency meeting is going to be. Oh, want to do one again? One. All right. Motion to adjourn. Make a motion to adjurnn. I step on second motion. Can I get a vote? I I
motion accepted. And we are. Yes, we can.