Okay, chip conservation commission is opening its public hearing meeting at 6 pm at the old town hall 1111 Somerset Avenue. We are being on cable, internet posting and www.dyon-mass.gov
and YouTube. Would everyone stand please for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Our first hearing, it's a notice of intent application by Carl Rebell of Bellow Belf states. Uh that has been uh continued or will be continued uh at the
request of the applicant. Is there a motion to continue? So move >> second. Is there a second? >> All in favor? And uh that meeting is December what's the date on that one, Lisa? >> 18th. >> I'm sorry. >> December 18th.
>> December 18. 128. Okay. The next item on the agenda is a notice of intent application from Dyton Boat Works LLC, uh, also known as Shaw's Boatyard at 86 Main Street, map 17, lot
one, and for the proposed construction of a boat storage building and a pertinent structures within 100 ft of a boarding vegetated wetland uh, and also within 200 feet of the Taton River. Okay. >> Can you guys get a chance to review the
memo that just came in for that? >> Okay, I got it. Yes. Go ahead. Um, you're on. >> Hey, Lisa. >> Hi. >> Good evening, members of the commission. Brad Holmes with Environmental Consulting and Restoration. Here with you tonight with is Corey Clawson with
the applicants team. We filed a notice of intent for the the 86 Main Street, the Dyon Boat Works. I know you know the property. Well, um what we filed is a notice of intent for a boat storage building uh in the northern portion of
the the site. The site does contain several wetland resource areas as you noted in the opening. Uh the site contains a salt marsh along the limit of the river. The site abuts the Taton River. So with the Taton River, we have a 200 foot riverfront area which uh
encompasses the whole site. And we're also within land subject to coastal storm flowage which is the coastal flood zone to the river. So the the property is fully within the jurisdiction of the conservation commission. As I said, we're proposing a boat
storage building. This is the existing conditions plan here. This is the proposed conditions plan here. There's a this area here is used for boat storage. There's a a driveway driveway. This is gravel and boat storage throughout the
portion of the site here. What we're looking to do is put a new uh 74 by 100 foot boat storage building here within this previously developed area. And with that, we would include a storm water management system to handle the roof water runoff that would be generated
from that new building and also some of the storm water that's uh encompasses through the property. with that building would come typical utilities and uh there's a it's a flat area so there's not a lot of earth parts needed but you'd have know whatever
construction would be associated with the building um we have had a chance to coordinate with and Samson we've had uh a first review and a second review we responded to the second review last week um which
is what u Lisa referred to I think that we have everything in is my opinion. We've got everything basically uh nailed down or agree or I don't think there's anything outstanding. We can talk about anything
that that Lisa may feel or Megan may feel. Um we can discuss further. Part of the review that we've gone through with the peer review process is um there haven't been any changes to the
design of the project, but we did include um a mitigation proposal to add plantings and and create a vegetative buffer, which there is none now. The property doesn't require mitigation in the sense that it's a riverfront
redevelopment and we're redeveloping over existing degraded area. So we don't have a trigger for for under the state regulations to do a uh to do a planting scheme or or reduce the amount of degraded area on the site. We're
actually the project actually results in a in a reduction in degraded area. And when you're looking at the riverfront redevelopment, what's the trigger here? What what the commission is concerned about is what's degraded and anything on the site that's degraded is is areas
like pavement, buildings, gravel, something that has a loss of top soil. So this project actually with the storm water management system proposed will actually have a more uh or less degraded more vegetated surfaces on the site
resulting from the uh storm water. And as I said, we're proposing a a mitigation planting plan to give some vegetative buffer salt tolerant plants here to give a buffer to the salt marsh that we're proposing so that we can um
entice the conservation commission to work with under your your wetland bylaw. this project can't meet your 50 foot setback, but we're as I said, we're already in integrated areas. So, we're proposing >> Okay. So, you're saying you're within
the uh 50 foot no touch zone. No bill zone. >> We are. The whole property is in your resource areas. >> So, we're we're already in the land subject close storm flow and we're already in the 200 foot riverfront. So, it's we're in the resource area no matter what. That's what the property
can't avoid it. >> This this property has been developed prior to at least the Dyton wetlands regulations. So, we're working within the areas of reworking areas that have already been degraded. But with this mitigation plan, I think it's a win-win in the sense that you get a vegetated
buffer where there is none there now. Um, and that also goes with the storm water management system. So, uh, I threw a bunch out out to you and that's a brief overview of the project. We can get into some details if
you'd like to, but I just didn't want to give you too much. And uh >> I'm going to let Megan uh jump into this. Uh Megan. >> Sure. Yeah. Lisa, would you like me to give a presentation or just maybe
address a few of the items that Brad talked about? Either way works for me. >> Um yeah, do a presentation. It says I cannot share my screen. I guess while if you're able to let me share my screen that's great. If not I'll just walk through them. You're working on that.
>> We can give her rights call. happy to walk through it. >> Yeah, I don't give you right. >> The dots, right? Try that again if you don't mind, please. >> Yep, that looks like it worked. >> Okay, cool. >> Awesome. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> You ready to begin your presentation? >> She's setting it up. >> Yeah. Sorry. Give me just one second. Here's a mitigation proposal if you'd like to
pass around. All right. >> All right. I'm hoping you guys are seeing the presentation right now. >> Yes. >> Great. >> I I'm having some trouble making it larger, but um let me just run through
this quickly to not waste any more time. So, just to give a brief overview, as Brad already mentioned, this is where the site's located. It's along the river. Um he had gone through the plan, so I'll skip over that. I'll show just a few site photos from our site visit that
Lisa and I um went out to. does show, as he was saying, a lot of degraded area, a lot of pavement, gravel, um, and and loss of top soil. And here are just a few photos of the wetland resources
nearby. On the right here is a, um, a fragmite stand um, right next to where the boatyard is. And on the left here is some more fragmitees, but turns into more of a um, typical salt marsh along the river. Um, And I guess to jump right
into some of the comments, I know Brad, you had talked about um the alternatives analysis, I think it would be helpful to have some more information about why there's no other place on site where this building could go. I know you provided some additional information. Um
but it it does seem like there might be other places on site. So, if you could just shed some light onto um why those other places definitely don't work for this project, that would be helpful, I think, for the commission. >> Yes, we talked about as far as an
alternatives, the when you're in the riverfront, there's an alternatives analysis required and that is for new new riverfront work. This wasn't a degraded project and we didn't comply with riverfront redevelopment. We have to go through a thorough riverfront
analysis to comply with the regulations under this under the riverfront redevelopment standards. There is not a requirement to provide an alternatives analysis, but we did answer uh the question of why it couldn't be put in another location. U
it doesn't work with the the layout of the site. As you know, they it's an operational boatyard and they're storing boats and materials and trying to get around the site. Moving the building back, we would have lost about 2500
square ft of boat storage. The other operational components of the the site just don't allow for a building of that size somewhere else. >> If you put if you put the building If we move forward, you're getting closer to the water. I mean, again, there's no no
place on that portion to look at it other than to put a building. We're putting it right on the uh property line on the back stands 15 ft off it. But if you go forwards, there's a road that goes around. We put boats in the middle and all the way around. We're putting this building where the boats were
before. We're not taking anything away and putting This is where the boats were. We're just putting cover over top of them. That's mostly what it is. >> This is where the >> This is where the building >> Yeah. This is where the building is. If
you move forward, you're taking where we go around for the boat for the uh if anything should happen with fire department. This is what this road is for going back and forth. Any type of move in here, we get rid of this. That's what's you know, truthfully, it's the best place for it. You come this way.
This is where the Right here is where the ramp is. So that's water. It's showing right here. So there's if you come over here, you're just closer to the water. >> And is there no way to make the building smaller? Just want to make sure asking
all the questions. >> Well, we I mean we want to be able to use it for storage. Like I said, right where we're putting it is where we have, you know, 40, 50 foot boats. You go smaller any which way. Again, it's exact same place we're
putting the boats. Well, we're going to take boats from being outside to inside. >> The commission typically doesn't allow work in the 50oot build while the 25 touch. That's why we're asking these questions
>> and that's why we recognize that to to prepare the mitigation proposal. >> Um okay. So this mitigation that you have shown us here is uh that to uh uh shall I say replace the uh that buffer
zone that you wish to take. >> We're not really taking any buffer zone in the sense that everything's you have full buffer zone around the bulkhead, right? >> Yeah. >> On any normal day, if you go out there now, that this is an operational buffer
zone. There's no vegetation there. There's boats stored all the way up to the the bulkhead. It's and it's been that way. So, >> what we would do is we'd be turfing out that area
and reveating it with that planting strip. >> Yeah. >> So, you have more At the end of the day, that's a benefit of vegetative buffer where there is no vegetative buffer. >> And what's the square footage on that? >> 2500 square feet.
>> So, not only you get a vegetative buffer out, but you're also taking about out that boat storage area in that location. >> That buffer area, we're storing boats right there right now. That's since we did this, we're giving that
area, you know, instead of putting both back in there. >> Okay. >> Do you want to keep going? >> Yep. >> Sorry, I was just playing around with my screen to make it Can you see the full screen PowerPoint now? >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> Great. Okay, thanks. Um so I guess moving on to my next comment and um I do want to say um the applicant did address a number of comments. These are just the comments that still need um just a little bit of discussion. Um this
one identifies the mitigation plan that was provided which looked great. Um and this this um condition is more for the commission that they may want to request or consider oversight by a qualified
professional for monitoring of this mitigation area to monitor success um for a period of two to three years and with annual reports with photos showing the success of the mitigation area.
>> Yeah, I think that would be the plan. I mean Brad put on this um document that he handed us basically some notes but would you be providing the photographic documentation to for the two years? Yeah, we would expect that that would be a special condition that we'd have
monitoring reports. We'd be acceptable, but we expect it. >> Yeah. Typical. >> Um, and we've talked about this um a little bit already, so I'm not sure we need to um talk about it more unless the commission would like to, but just that
um these locations are proposed work is within the 25 foot no disturb zone and the 50 foot no structure zone. So, um I guess I will um add and this also goes back to um the
alternatives analysis for just making sure that all impacts to violence protection act and local resource areas are being minimized to the maximum extent practical. Um which it sounds like you guys have um explained why the
building needs to go where it needs to go. And then comment number seven. Um I will defer to the commission. I know when Lisa and I were out there, we sort of saw a wetland off property on private property. Um the
photo on the right is you can't see it too well from this photo, but there is a wetland sort of further down there. um if the applicant should show this boundary on the plans. I think the applicant responded saying there are other resource areas in this area and
that buffer zone is being accounted for from that. So I will defer to the commission on if they'd like to see that on the plans or not. They don't think they can go delineate it because it's on private property, but could approximate it to show there is a wetland there on the plants. >> Yeah, I think it would just be a good
idea just noted on the plan that there's other resources on the project um offsite if you could make a revision like that just so for the future. >> Yeah, we could put a note on the plan offsite resources
in this area haven't been identified or something to that effect. I mean the that pinch point with the salt marsh is going to be the closest is closer with the extending the buffer into the site. So it's not uh it's further away but there would be a buffer to it. Correct.
Right now all this work then is on it's it's not going to be the taking of any let's say new vegetation. It's everything is okay. All right. >> With the mitigation and the storm water basin there's going to be new vegetation
to the site that never existed. >> Okay. We're adding to it next. >> Could you tell us a little bit more about the strong water basin? Is it going to be um like what is the base of it going to be? >> Uh it's a I think it's a it's a
vegetated infiltration basin. >> Okay. >> Um the elevations and grading are here. Um there's a burm around it. It will accept the roof water runoff. And then I know that uh Dave Devden, professional engineer has designed it. So it'll also
capture some of the site runoff as well. So it's not just the building. >> And currently the site doesn't have storm water. So >> true. There's a benefit there. >> Yeah. Build or is it wall?
>> It's just a building. Not on again. Just taking the boats from outside. This is just storage. Nothing more than storage. >> No, no, no. I didn't know when he's going to put a, you know, 4 foot foundation. >> No, just holes.
>> The interior is going to be earth or concrete or >> um for now it's just going to be uh um just regular um rocket type. Again, it's just it's just >> So, you're not changing >> just a simple building, right?
>> Yeah, just a simple building. the roof, the sides. >> Okay. So, now if I heard you right, you it's going to be a gravel uh base >> gravel for now. We we might go we'll see uh since it is um we might go cement
inside, but that might be two or three years down the road or what, you know, but I don't e either way on that. I don't think it matters. Does it? >> This type of building doesn't have a foundation. Yeah. All it has is just a floor. >> Yeah, >> it's just a floor. So I think you know
if they do it because of cost of it again the um size of building like that cost so >> it's really not that big of a building for you know for most of it. No I I I >> So we going to have any pollution prevention measures with the boat
storage building? >> There should be I mean there should be nothing that we don't have now. >> Well that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. There's nothing there's nothing right to store maybe things that you would have kept. >> No, there's nothing other than boat storage. There's nothing because we have
the other shops on the on the property have anything. This is just strictly boat stores. >> Okay. Megan, do you have some more to go? >> I do. I think I just have one more comment. Um
there they provided a great graphic in their submission showing degraded riverfront area and non-degraded make it really easy to see that there was just a site of peace on site that was not degraded that had grass and I just want to make sure that was pulled out and
accounted for um in case of any future submissions on site that all of the numbers are accurate in the submission so that future applications can go off based on that um I think that should be a pretty easy fix for the applicant to just provide that number so it's accurate in the
submission. >> We we provided that and that they updated the detail >> so that that is in the in the >> that's in the hands of the commission. >> Okay, great. Great. >> Okay, >> that's all for me. >> Okay,
>> thanks Megan. >> Um do you have any members? Do you have any questions to ask? >> No, I I I hear that. Um and uh you know, I I know that the structure is going to
be a little bit within our uh no build zone. But um the as far as compensating, we'll we'll call it compensation with that 2500 square foot uh green area that they do.
>> There's a compensation. Yeah. >> Yeah. I just kind of wanted to ask a question about that. So building in the 50 foot, you said it would take away if you had to move it, it would take away 2150
square feet and includes that boat storage. So is there is there any way to maybe do you have placards on your plan? Post and placards because we typically
require that now. >> Yeah, we could put cultivation posts up at the edge of the mitigation. >> The other boatyard, we have them do that and then we just like them to just kind of let it grow in instead of, you know, any areas you can
not mow all the time. Maybe you could do like a wild flower in that little green um rectangle instead of like mowing it. Just something to think about. >> I can gladly get with you once we you know once we started this and what you
know of your questions or anything like that you want us to do it. >> I can add the conservation post to the mitigation plan. >> Okay. Do you do you have plaques at your office or do we >> they're a dollar each? So you just put
them normally every 25 30 feet and you choose posts that you put them on and they're just low but they're or you can make them taller whichever as long as they're permanent. >> I'm glad they use a nautical theme.
>> Anybody any other questions here? Is there anyone in the audience who has questions for these gentlemen? Okay. Shall we? Uh, >> so we're adding the posts and the >> This is new here, too.
>> Add a note um about the other resources verified offite. And um documentation needs to include photographs and it's going to be coming from ECR, right? >> Hopefully. Okay. Don't kick me out.
>> Okay. >> Well, we're going to condition it like that. >> Okay. >> Megan, was there another one or is that it? >> She said that was it >> for conditions? >> Well, I mean for for changes to the
plan. >> Um, no. If they provided the number of the non-degraded area that updated Cal but no other. >> So, yeah. I mean, if you just want to just calculate it on the plan too
>> because you're already changing the plan a little bit, right? >> And I think that would be sufficient. >> Okay. Do I have a motion? So move. >> Oh, wait a minute. Let's uh
>> we No, no, >> we got to make a motion either to accept and issue an order of conditions or reject. >> I'll make a motion to order conditions. >> Okay. To accept and issue an order of conditions. Is there a second?
>> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I >> I Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Lisa. >> Give me a little time. You got a holiday in the middle. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Good night.
>> Good luck everyone. >> Thank you. Have a good night. Next in the agenda is a notice of intent from John Paul Rossi of Zenica. Uh that's at Money Co. Pawn and they have
requested a continuence to our December 18 meeting. Is there a motion to continue? >> So, >> is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> uh another item on the agenda is a
notice of intent application by Tyler B 553 Center Street, map 13, lot 42A. Um Lisa, you said that that there was also a request to continue. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Um uh is there a motion to continue to December 18? >> So move second. >> All in favor? >> I Lisa, what's on the hold on that one? um they are um filing with the planning
board and then they're going to request that Weston and Samson redo their proposal to include both and then they'll pay the the West and Samson payment back. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Uh, next on the agenda is a request for an amended
order of conditions from file number 17-483 from James Logan at 823 Prospect Street, map 4, lots 370. >> Let's say bye to Megan. Happy Thanksgiving, Megan.
>> Bye, Megan. >> Bye. Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks, everyone. >> Mr. Logan. Oh yeah, >> copies of the >> bill. Okay, >> thank you.
Okay. your name, please. >> Greg from Engineering Representing James Logan. Um the applicant is requesting an to amend the original order conditions for uh the project at V23 Prospect Street. Um as there were
some changes made in the field that were not on the original plan. Um Lisa requested through the applicant to amend the order document the following changes. They added a 100 foot block wall was added in the backyard to provide a more level area in the back of
back of the house. The uh wall was built in the 50 foot. Uh no build zone which is not allowed unless they get permission from the conservation commission. Uh approximately about 850 square ft of underbrush was disturbed during the wall construction. The 25
point no touch. The applicant is proposing to regrade that and seed it with a natural seed mix, native seed mix. And Lisa also mentioned that she had talked to the applicant about repairing some
ATV tracks and stuff that were in the buff. >> Yeah. So discussion about >> Okay. So that that's stopped the uh >> they ain't driving my grass now anyway. They ain't going back there.
>> Yeah. Every once in a while I get a call from Swany Drive. >> Yeah. >> I used to. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um Okay. Yeah. So that that plant Lisa has the all your proposals as far as reitating and um
>> um they've been >> I've been talking with Lisa. >> Yeah. She's been talking with Lisa. They've been working back together. They have >> I know they're doing discussions. So, we haven't really put any detail on it. >> We were out there the other day. It looks >> Yeah. >> Looks really good.
>> Looks a lot better than what I anticipated. Like, wow. Looks really good. Guys did a good job. >> Yeah. >> Um, so we're just concerned about still which Jim was already working with the polygum, the knotweed. So, if you could
just keep going with trying to eliminate the knotweed so it doesn't take over the whole neighborhood. >> Um, And you had I think I noted some automal. Did you see the automal up there? >> I' been out there in a while. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> It was on the front the front of the house to a little bit more to the to the south. >> Yeah. >> Right by my meter. >> Yep. Exactly. About 10 15 feet. There was just one that was pretty obvious. You could like
>> So yeah. So, like there's some autom. And then so as far as the the wetland area, it's going to need a wetland seed mix. Normally the wetland is about place to get that job because it will have a bunch of stuff in it.
>> Don't don't get it at Amazon or Home Depot. I mean, I don't even know if Home Depot carries it, but um and then the area right below the wall. You had something about some blueberries. Do you still >> Yeah, we were talking about that last time. I like the plant with blueberry trees back there.
>> Hey, they're they're native. They're wetland plants and you can eat them. >> Yeah, exactly. >> So, like how many do you think you're going to do? >> I mean, Reeds has got hundreds of them. So, as many as I can fit back there, I'll put them back in. So, >> right. So, like I would say like a
minimum of eight would be a good because the calculation of the square footage. I think eight. You're the planting guy, but >> you're more of a landscape architect. So, what do you >> visually see it? >> 8 to 12 in the middle.
>> And then make sure they're the high bush and not the low bush. Yeah, the low bush, they don't really produce the right one. >> Yeah. >> And just let us know. And >> I'll probably wait till it's cool if I wait till spring on that obviously, right? >> Yeah. follow.
>> Yeah. Real early because uh >> Yeah, exactly. >> when there's a lot of moisture in there and it's cool. >> Yeah. >> Uh you know, won't be any stress on the roots >> and you don't really have to water too much, but I wouldn't wait till June. I would definitely
>> Yeah. >> No, April is probably a good time for >> So, we do have to issue an amended order. So, we will assuming they're going to approve that >> change. Okay. We We have You have the amended order. Okay. >> Well, no, I have to draft it.
>> No, no, you they they've given you the amended >> request. >> Request. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um I'm looking for a motion. Okay. Do you have any questions up here?
>> The audience have any questions? Okay. I'm looking for a motion then uh to issue an amended order of conditions with um rehab of the wetlands.
I'll make a motion rehab of the wetlands. >> It's a motion for to issue or is >> should I correction? It's not just wetland. It's more and wetland. Yeah. >> Okay. So, a motion to to issue a amended
order of conditions >> and and uh and a restoration plan. >> I'll make a motion for the amended order of conditions and a restoration plan for >> it's seconded by Jack. All in favor?
>> I >> Okay. three weeks to come up with the condition. So, just check in with me. Next week's kind of >> very light for me, but the following week. >> Wait till Thanksgiving. Sounds good.
>> Happy holiday. Thank you. >> Don't eat too much turkey. >> Okay. Next on the agenda is a request for determination of applicability from RMM uh Don for uh property at zero Elm
Street map 23 a port and a portion of lot 10 work includes conducting percolation testing and access to the area. The applicant will be requesting whether the volume resource area depicted on the plan are accurately
delineated whether the activ is depicted on the plan is subject to the WTA and whether the area and activities depicted on the plan is subject to the jurisdiction of the Dying Conservation Commission by law. The portion of the work falls within the 100 foot buffer
zone to the bordering vegetated wetlands. Okay. >> Okay, sir. Your name is >> John Connell. Tech Engite Tech Engineering. >> This is >> I just want to grab the plants for the
guys unless you have more copies. >> I didn't have that small here. Do you have anything there? >> Um, no. Okay. Okay. I have here
the property in questions right here. This is >> and all right. Here we go. That's that's better. >> Have you gone out to you yet, John? >> Steve was the one that was site visits.
>> So, this is Mr. Kingsley's property um that got bought for the solar and there's lead in the front. Probably very familiar with it by the >> Oh, I I can remember going out there for the solar uh many times, but that was >> several years ago.
>> U you're planning to divide this into a couple uh uh lots. It's already been divided. This is the solar farm is in the back. That was one lot. And then it was divided, this predated me, but it
was divided into two different lots. This was lot one and lot two of the subdivision. >> Oh, I see right there. Okay. >> So, yeah, you can see those two lots there. And the applicant wants to do per tests on the second lot. Um, it's a portion of
the map 23, lot 10, subdivision lot 2, and that location per that rectangle um that you see in that the lower the lower part of the plan the um speaking with Lisa
she wanted us to show the access although this access as I know now is not u it's not um doesn't show the exact path through here but what they want to do is um there's a gate on the solar farm if you
were to go up the driveway to the solar farm Yeah, >> you'd see the the beginning of the dash line there, right here. And the gate is is in that gate is in this the area here. I don't
know if you can see it's somewhere in here. And then um they would go around that gate. Um they have permission from the owner here. He owns I think he also owns this lot. So, um to to to find a path through the woods where we're not
disturbing um and cutting anything down and to get out to um the protests. >> It's much closer to the west. That's why you can see it on this much.
here >> and this is >> so >> and then this is the area they sty >> so he wants to come in it's actually right here where they put the
>> I know that's what >> st it's on here well I all I guess all I ask we'll st those things out I'll have them surveyed But we can't go anywhere near that wall radius. Nor nor can we be in with 100 foot buffer. It's >> You got a lot of ledge there, too.
>> Yeah. Do you have you have a contour map of this? >> I don't have one here, but I mean they I know um they did do some topo out there. So, and that was one of the questions that Lisa had asked too is how you going to access that home?
That's the developer will ultimately have to determine that. And if he can't get back there with a driveway that's approvable, then he's, you know, >> that's a big I think that's a big >> issue. You know, you can't get a eight foot machine down that path.
>> Well, this path here. >> Yeah. I don't think so. >> Do you really have you you think so? portions of it. But yeah, it's gonna >> it's very tight and it so what it is is it's a path but then it drops and then the wetland's right there and then on
this side it's like you know it's cut in um actually this is and a butter that's here. It was her grandfather's property, >> the property. >> You know, I mean, you really haven't
answered any questions from anyone up here so far as far as contour, how you're positively getting in there. You know, you you're talking about that pathway and uh and that looks very precarious. uh
it's uh partial but maybe not wide enough and then it's woods and then it's a steep contour from what I'm hearing and you don't have any contour maps to prove it. You've got a well um
existing well and zone which you're going it appears as though your uh potential perk test is right at the edge of that existing uh well buffer zone which does not allow you to do a prick test. Um, there's just isn't you got an
awful lot of questions still being asked up here that aren't being answered. >> Well, I mean, I just we've done a million drug tests. If if you want us to go outside the buffer, we'll go outside the buffer. And and I mean, this is a
path that was already created. So, I mean, I think the thought at least from the other engineer in the office was that we'll use the existing path and not cut trees and all. >> Has that person been out on the site? >> Yeah, >> I think we should let them try to perk
it. And I just I want to see we've run into situations with perks before where it's like they say they're not going to be in the buffer zone and then they are multiple times and then we have a lot of disturbance in the buffer zone, which is why I had you file for this just to talk about it.
>> It's it's close. >> I I would you know I propose what I talked to you is we'll have it staked out. We'll have it um you know either GPSed or you know field survey with the total station out there stake out the the available area outside the 100 foot
buffer and outside that existing well and as perks go >> large trees. >> Yeah. >> So you might want to figure out what you're going to have to do to get deal with that. >> I mean usually I will go out and look at
the box. I I would say um I'll have the survey go out and stake that out ASAP and we can both look at it. >> Yeah, I think that would be wise >> and then we can look at the trees. Usually we work around that stuff. We're not going to be plowing trees down to do perks. So
>> it happens though. >> It does happen. I know. I've done a lot of perks. It does happen. Absolutely. And it happens sometimes heading out there, which is why usually we want someone with a smaller machine to kind of meander and and wiggle their way
through a lot of those trees because it behooves everyone to do that and no one wants to sit there and cut trees down. It's it's pointless. Um if you can I I'm hearing a strong contour in this area. Uh where and ju just from what you are
thinking or the owner is thinking where would you know where is that contour? Is it on this side? Is it on this side? Now supposedly there's a lot of ledge over here. >> All ledge. >> My understanding is the contours are up
in here. I I don't know if maybe Lisa can clarify it. No, you're going to have to clarify it as far as I mean, you know, as far as contour map with this because you you you are indicating that you might be looking for a continuence
>> to get to to get what information we're looking for. >> I I like just permission to perk because it's ultimately on the the owner's it's his responsibility to come in and find access to this thing. If he can't find access, he's wasted his time and money.
you know, I'm this is >> you know, I can follow that. >> He's been he understands what he's he's up against and you say, you know, you have to access this property and he said, I want to see if it perks. So,
>> I mean, you put a I mean, say, you know, in a perfect world, it parks wherever the spot is. How much is it going to cost to put an access road in that in that >> walk walk off of Maple Street?
Till Lily up there. >> Those are all 100% led. >> Yep. >> I talk to the blaster between 110 $165,000 a lot just to >> just blast up.
>> His house. I mean, hey, he wants to build on ledge. It's not going any It's the same thing with the perks. You can get out there and not find anything with the perks. There could be ledge there, too, which which makes the whole thing a move point. But his his goal is
to try to find out if that perks and then, you know, that that step B is, okay, can I get out there to these things? Can I can I put a house out here? and then all of those construction costs that he's going to have to consider whether that's even feas economically feasible for him. That's
not something that I do. It's his it's ultimately it's his gamble for that. >> So before you make a decision, >> there's a here and there's this. >> Okay. Uh, no. What what I uh
So, right now, the only way you can get in there without uh wiping out the forest is that roadway off the >> off the solar road. And then does that
go all the way through or does it end? >> Yeah. If you look at >> the road. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is the path goes off that line. >> Well, it's not this isn't the exact location. It says it's closer in here
>> and then yeah, there's a path there closer to the wetland. Well, we would be in the buffer zone and that's that's why she >> But if if it's if there's a path, you can if you have a machine small enough so that you don't knock over stuff as you're going out there. I mean, I don't
know. Is there a legend here? Um how how far >> this is a 50 50 scale. >> Oh yeah. One what one what one? Okay. One inch to 50. Yeah. >> So you're talking uh 50 100 200
or 400 ft that they would have to go through on a car path approximately. >> I'd say even more than that. >> Okay. You get uh >> well you got the path up. So it's going
to it's going to start here. >> Yeah. So >> that's 300 right there. >> That's 300 to there. >> Yeah. >> 200 >> 220. So, so far so >> Lisa, is this something that you would
have to be there to make sure that uh if they go in with the equipment? >> Well, I mean, I think they I would like to be a part of that whole Yeah, I would like to maybe not be >> maybe not be there for the perk.
I don't have to do, but I would like to come at least, >> you know, be that day at some point. And >> I'd say if I could do this, we'll have the um test pit staked out physically on
the ground and um I'll talk to the uh whoever contract is ultimately going to do the work. I'll talk to him, see what kind of machine he's going to get out there and clear that stuff with you. And we can even meet before the day of the per that way. any surprises. >> Okay. How about contour maps of of the
city? >> I can add contours to it. >> It's so our next meeting is December 18th. Are you willing to continue just so we can get that information >> or not? >> I I'd prefer to to at least have him in
the in the queue to do these things and I can add the contours to the plan and get that over to you tomorrow. I I but I want month could cost him the perk. You know, I mean, I I just would I don't want to do that. I I would um
but I'll give you information you need and of course, you know, >> if the commission's comfortable with it, but we still need to read that for the record and allow the public. >> Okay. All right. Um Okay. This this is a letter from Stephanie Shores. It says, "Hi, Lisa.
Thank you for your help. We are not able to make the meeting tomorrow to other obligations, but we would like to send a statement of concern as an abua. If the meeting allows, of course, you could please forward our statement to the board. Okay. We are writing as residents
of 2770 Elm Street directly adjacent to the property currently under review for percolation testing. Our family along with other neighbors are concerned about how new development and disturbances of the land could impact the surrounding
area. Our home is situated downhill from the proposed site and water naturally flows towards our property. Alterations to the land could increase runoff, create drainage problems, potentially flood our septic system, or compromise
the safety of our wellwater. The property also contains wetlands and disturbing this area could further disrupt the natural flow of water affecting nearby homes. Additionally, the irregular shape of the law combined
with strict requirements for placement of septic system wells and proper drainage leaves very limited uh safe options for development. Its proximity to existing wells and septic systems further increase the risk to our
neighbors property. We respectfully urge the commission to carefully consider these concerns when reviewing the percolation testing requests in order to protect neighboring homes and preserve the natural flow in the area.
And again, that's from Jacob Andrews and Stephanie Shores >> at 2770 Street. Right. >> Correct. Um, >> another here too. >> Do you uh guys have any questions? you know, um,
knowing that there's that much ledge in there, you know, I would and and the contour, it's not it it's ledge and contour that it seems to be, you know, to get into my mind all the time. Um, okay.
You guys have any questions? 2770. Is that down gradient? I'm not familiar with this faucet. Is that down gradient from where? >> It's right where your wrist is. Right where your hand >> right here. It's after hot street.
>> You see the the Yeah, the the scient >> I see all that. But is it down? Is this down? >> So you're going upgrade or down? >> We're higher than that lot. >> Okay. That's what I want to know. Okay.
>> So, they get a they get a a just reason. Okay. >> And and if you look at there's a well uh there's a circle there uh showing an existing well on the property. >> Uh which now that well is 100 foot uh
circle around it. Correct. >> Okay. And so you're probably five feet beyond uh the test pit location. on that 100 ft. >> Yeah. Wherever that that shows, you know, I mean, again, that that's a box
that when you go out there and start digging, you poke in an area, you see it works, you you move around. So, this is just an area that we have that we consider we have available to per um even outside of it a little bit. But, um that's what I'll do. I'll put a box I'll
have a box staked out out there that we'll work in. And as far as you know developing a lot, I mean that those those are concerns that everyone has for a lot. Those are concerns that we have when we when we design a lot. We're not trying to to
inconvenience anyone. Um but right now we're just asking to do the perks and then we'll see u what happens if it perks then we'd move on to the next step and all of those considerations would be part of the the plan.
We won't know until we get the perks done if they do. But it actually works. >> Okay. Do you guys have any reservations of RDA versus NOI?
Uh, which would be the fullblown um write up which they would have to give us much more information on the lot. I I think I think >> all this is see >> just access the big hole. >> Yeah, this is I think
the road. >> Oh, I just >> Well, no. I'm just I'm throwing that out. >> So, it's temporary disturbance. Yeah, >> it's temporary disturbance. >> Yeah. No, I mean that's the thing. Nothing to do with developing anything.
I mean, we got some questions out in the audience. >> Yeah. Well, you you guys are first. Well, I realize that, but I mean this this, like I say, it's, you know, if they get a part, >> they might not stop the whole process.
>> All they want to do is go out there. No. >> Well, I'm Hey, I'm I'm bringing you guys into the into the debate. Agree with J. >> I agree with J. >> You know, I'm not committing myself. I'm just bringing bringing it out. And a lot
of you people uh you are the commissioners too. >> Okay. Audience. >> So I'm very familiar with >> come to the podium please. >> Thank you Dave.
>> Sorry about that. >> Hi. >> Hello. >> So I say your name please. >> Sharah Costa. Costa 2729 Elm Street. My u biggest concern um blasting. Are we
Because I'm very familiar with this property. I grew up there. I um currently live in the Kingsley household. Um and There isn't a lot of area to maybe you can fit a tiny little jeep down in these
little um spots down there. Um so I know there's a lot of ledge, a lot of pudding stone. Are we going to be blasting to do this park because that's going to affect the neighbors as well as all of our houses? >> Like what is going to happen to
foundations? What is going to happen to walls? like it's a very >> they're going to dig a hole. >> They're not blasting. >> They're not going to blast for a per test because the rock rock won't rock won't accept water. >> Okay. And then um you know just the
storm water runoffs and stuff like that. It's going to affect all that. >> Um how many houses are planned? >> No houses are planned yet. If we get that's a single single family single family. >> Okay.
is going to dig in soil to see if water will seep into the ground at a certain rate and that would be your septic system, your tub water, toilet water, sink water. Okay, that's what this is. So, there's not going to be any
blasting. If it passes, then they'll have to file again uh if they are within 100 ft uh of any resource area. And if that's the case, then uh they may or may
not. I, you know, I'll do that. I don't know. >> Okay. Because I know there's just um I know how the ledge works and there's a ton of underwater like underground ledge going all the way through there. >> I mean, we've spent any time much time
there. Um so I know the access way that you guys are talking about um where the solar panels are. So there's not really a lot of area right there um that I've
seen like for pathways and stuff. So I don't see how you're going to be able to get through all that wooded area without a lot of but that's my biggest concern. >> Okay. Or I it's so noted here but that
but they wouldn't be blasting here at this at this level. Okay. >> Yeah. I just wanted to because my, you know, my father's very concerned about that property obviously. >> Well, that's good. You're here. You had a concern. You came here and addressed
it. That that's all. That's what is necessary. >> Yeah. The pollution, the wildlife, the storm water, all that fun stuff. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Anyone else in the audience uh have questions? >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um,
if we permit this, we're not we we're not going to be letting them knock over trees on their way in. It's they got to use an existing path to get in. >> Well, there's still going to be disturbance with trees. So,
>> um, but I don't I don't know how wide that path is. >> Can we take a look at it? Could we condition it so we take a look at it? see if it's accessible without a lot of disturbance. >> Uh well, if we act on it tonight, it's
it's uh we either give them permission or we don't. >> Um >> yeah, on that pathway. Uh and that's 500 ft. >> I I don't know. >> I think it's more Dave, have you been
down there at all? >> Yes, been down there twice. And >> it's more than it's more than 500. >> How wide is that pathway? >> I mean, you're gonna fit a dingo down there. >> Other than that, you get a little bit wider on the machine, you're going to
have some rough spots. I mean, there's going to be easier spots, but they're going to be some tight spots. >> Now, that's all the way. >> All the way. >> Agree with that? >> Yeah. And so, uh, >> all the way except for the area that's
already a gravel path and then around the corner once you get into the thick, it's like you can see the wetland flags from there. That's why it's a little nerve-wracking because in some areas you're close to the 25 foot, especially A7,
>> but that's the path. That's that's not uh where they're going to dig there. Where they want to dig is uh it it is outside the uh 100 foot. >> We'll see. I think
>> close. >> I think how about this just for sake of time that you allow it based on um a site visit with me and John and maybe one of the other two of the other members. We can't have three. We have a
And then we go look at it together. And if we feel comfortable, we allow it. And we might have to allow it with some erosion controls and some knowledge that in the spring we're going to have to restore the buffer zone if needed. >> That's
good with that. >> Okay. Uh would you uh repeat how you word that? remember >> uh she wants to make a conditional like I was saying >> uh approval with the condition that uh
or give a negative determination with >> it would be a negative two >> it would be a >> which is the work describing request is within an area subject to jurisdiction under the act but will not remove filing
notice Okay, that that would without altering and so that that's going to be the big thing. So that you uh uh >> actually be a negative because we'd be having conditions sorry if any. So the conditions it would be the same wording
but it would be the conditions would be um a site site visit with soil evaluator. Okay. >> Access is is not going to um
require notice of intent and then seeding um restoration or seeding or planting if needed. >> Okay. So the excess does not disturb the buffer zone. >> It is it is going to disturb the buffer
zone but like extent is the question. >> Okay, >> I can try to get the excavator out there, too, just to see if he can shed some light because he knows how he has to bob and weave with his machine. >> Good idea. >> Yeah, he'll know just by walking out
there visually. >> I can get through here or there. I I don't have that eye, you know. Kind of see it, but idea, John. Okay. And so, and you're going to say excavator operator
and then have erosion controls on on site as needed. If we get that Okay, I I got three things here. Uh um pending uh site visit by by commission access does not damage bone and
excavator operator to visit the site to offer evaluation. Is that about it? And then if there's something that controls as needed. >> Restoration as needed. >> Okay. But that that would be written
into your >> Yeah, the determination. >> Okay. All right. Okay. So, um it seems like we're heading to a negative determination with uh qualifiers. So, the board of health is holding off
on this until I sign off. So, we we wouldn't sign off until we did that. >> There's only one day next week, just so you know that I'm in Monday. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I I will check with everyone, make sure I can get everyone get the
excavator and and you know, we'll try to plan a day. If you can't do it next week, then we'll have to it'll be another time. But >> Monday afternoon would be like the day otherwise next week. >> The only one available next week.
>> Okay, I'll check that. >> So, Lisa, you have all those things recorded. Uh, so, okay. So, um I think the excavator operator is going to give probably the
best uh advice as far as if he can go in there without doing damage, >> right? Okay. So, uh I guess what we're looking for is a negative determination with qualifications.
>> Is there a motion? >> I'll accept that motion. >> Is there a second? >> Any further discussion? All in favor? Thank you everyone. Appreciate it.
>> Lisa, thanks for your time. Thank you. >> Wow. All right. Moving on. Okay. Next in the agenda is to uh it's a new hearing. It's a request for a determination of applicability from
Russell Gardner at 665 William Street, map 8, lot 23-2. Work includes performing minor grading to erect a 60x 80 foot temporary structure with erosion control. A
portion of the work falls within the 100 foot buffer zone to a border vegetative wetland. Afternoon. >> Yes, sir. Your name is >> How you doing? >> I've been I've been dealing with Lisa.
>> Okay. Well, explain to us what your thoughts are and what you wish to do and >> well just wanted to get it over with so I can continue building the barn. So fortunately I couldn't stop due to scheduling reasons and vacation time I
had to take. So been actively working but I have controls in place and I haven't touched the 26 ft well sorry the 74t of area behind the building.
Uh, okay. So, uh, now this is strictly residential area. >> Yep. >> And >> five five shipping containers with a roof on top of it. That's all that it is. >> I'm going to share the sketch. He's representing himself.
>> Yes, I do. Thank you. Did you have a copy of sketch? >> I do. >> I can't. >> Yes. I only have one look at it. >> Don't mind my uh artist ability
street house. Oh, this this What are you call You're calling it a barn. Looks like it's 10 times the size of your house. >> It's big. >> Wasn't originally going to be that big,
but I got a deal on the roof. So, >> and what what's this going to be used for? >> Storage. campus. >> Does that put you into a commercial zone?
Oh yes. >> Okay. But they get sent. You have I take those. >> Where is your access to your bond? uh right around the small garage that the at the end of the driveway on the right of the house if you're looking at it
from the street. It's not done yet. I had to kick the um construction company off. We ran into some problems, so I had to put a wall in, take two trees down, and then I ended up getting 26 ft
encroachment in 100 foot. So, >> all right. Um So the closest point for the grading is how many feet now? >> 26. 26 in crouchman. >> Right. >> 74 away.
>> 74T. He's 74t away >> from the wetlands. >> And there will be grass all the way up to the backside of the structure >> probably next year. Now this lot, this portion has already been graded and all that.
>> Yep. Graded the retainer walls in the two trees come down. The containers are there control. >> Yep. Shipping containers. >> Okay. What that's going to go inside the bond?
The containers. They are acting as walls. >> Cheaper than concrete. >> Put in between the two containers. >> Oh, okay. I get you. >> It's a good way to do it.
You guys have any questions? >> No, I've been out there twice. Pretty straightforward. Would you put an overhead door on those on the >> I haven't decided on a door yet when this winter's coming. >> So you could have one one end open or plastic or >> uh there is a container in the back so
it's just a U shape. So I have to decide what I'm going to do for but that's down the road. I've been out there all week. >> Yeah. Just trying to get up to speed. >> Come by. Just bring a pair of gloves because I need help.
I don't I'm not I'm not good help. He said shoulder surgery. >> I'm good ground help, but I'm afraid of heights. The guys that are helping me, they they've been awesome. So, >> they're my helpers. Anyway,
>> are you stacking these containers at all or >> No, no, there's there's two on the left, there's two on the right, and there's one on the back. It's a good idea. >> You guys have any any other questions?
>> Uh any questions for the audience? >> Okay, that was a face scratch, not a uh Okay. Uh do we have a motion then that it's an RDA um to issue either negative determination,
which means he's finished with us, or positive determination means he has to file a notice of intent. Is there a motion? >> Motion for a negative determination. >> Is there Okay. Seconded by Jack. Uh, any
other discussion? All in favor? >> Okay. Okay. >> So, I have paperwork to do for you. So, >> thankful. >> It'll be just give me a little It won't be next week. So, >> that's fine.
>> Yeah. I got a busy week next week with Thanksgiving and everything. I go back to work on Monday. >> He He did, by the way, put up a motion control. So, they are up. So, I'm going to do negative for this
to to amend that vote. >> Okay. Next on the agenda is it's a new hearing. It's a request for >> I'm sorry. >> You didn't hear me. >> We need to amend that vote to agree. >> A negative three.
>> Yeah. >> And what's a three? >> The conditions of conditions would be approval that the control stay up until the ground stable. >> Correct. >> Okay. Are you going to amend it? Uh, Dave,
>> um, I would like to amend the motion or >> the motion >> to agree. >> To a negative three. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I told me one more time. >> Leave the stock there.
>> Leave this. Leave Leave it there until the ground is established and you get a site v visit from me. So, you know, if there's some erosion there, you should probably put some winter ride. >> There hasn't there hasn't been any. Even with the abundance of rain that we've
gotten, there hasn't had anything down there. >> Great. >> Because of the slope, it's so minor that slope, >> right? It's a gradual. >> All right. Awesome. Thanks, >> Keep an eye on it, you know. >> Just keep an eye on that.
>> Thank you. Okay. Okay. Next on the agenda is a request for a determination of applicability from uh Jakey, is that the way it's pronounced? LLC for a property at zero Wellington Street, map 15, lot 27. The
request is to chairman if the flagged area shown on the plan as possible isolated wetland areas is subject to the jurisdiction under the wetland protection act and or the dy conservation commission bylaw and if so
is it accurate. Okay, let's see. Bob, right? Okay. >> The owner of the property. >> How do I do on on saying the name of the LLC? >> Close enough. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, yes. Okay. I've gone through it. Okay. Have they seen it? >> They have a copy. >> Okay. Oh, yeah. I I've studied it already. Okay. William Street is here. If you're
on William Street anymore, take a left out to Wellington. There's three house houses and then a vacant piece of property. That's the property that we're talking about. We were going to do perk tests out here. Before we did that, we sent the soil
scientist out there. He located two areas of concern. One is in the middle of the property. You see right here and then at the back of the property. The back of the property was clearly a be
that continues on off site and it's located way in the back about 600 ft back from William Street. But the area in the middle he flagged that because he did see some wetlands plants that are
growing in that area. So we located the flags and we did a topographic survey of that area to see if it held water was isolated land flooding. And you can see the contouring
goes from 177 and then slopes all the way down and down to 175 and then 174 right as you get out of that. There's no ponding in that area. But he did see the plants and that's why we filed the odds
mainly to see what was going on there. When I look at the Google images going back to 85 85 images was poor because satellite imagery back then. But >> what we saw was that all of this area
since about 85 was clear. So either the old homeowners cleared it and farmed it or planted stuff out there. He did see evidence of some grape vines out there and that's why we filed just to see what
was going on. He didn't find any evidence of hydra soils in that area, just vegetation. So when we did the perks, we perked up in the front anyway to stay more than 100 ft away from that in case it turned out to be something
and the perks were successful and since then I think Lisa has walked the site and has spoke to Capone about that. We feel that we were told that there were other people that went out here and did testing on the lot and what
we saw was evidence of like equipment that had been out there, tracks and things, >> rust stuff. So I think that's what probably because it's now all growing in in the last probably five to eight years
or so. It's all reveated shrub material trees. So that was the area that is now shaded that the ferns were growing and Lisa could probably explain more of what she saw out there. We just want to know
if this is an area that was jurisdictional or not. We thought it probably wasn't, but >> you got a contour going down. So it's going to d it's going to drain in that direction and not and as you said I I can you know visualize it not ponding
but uh so no vertal pool or anything like that. >> Um >> okay and I know Lisa and I have spoken about it and I don't know if you uh have as well. Um >> I was supposed to go out there.
>> So the area you know it's more like successional. So, um yeah, there's an old um grape barber that someone was growing grapes to the right, grapes and upward plant, you
know, and then there's some cherry trees and some other most of the vegetation in there. It's like a lot of thorns, a lot of rose bushes, very disturbed area. Um And I didn't find that I would think that you
guys would want to protect it if it was deeper and it had a connection. I even walked the BBW in the back because um Chris Capone, the wetland scientist, mentioned that there was no connection. So I asked Bob to please make sure that
was also on the plan. He did put that note about not working in the 100 foot. Um, the only thing I was wondering is if you are going to design something, you might want to, you know, um,
put a put some sort of feature there for drainage. I don't know. But if you don't think there's Chris didn't think there was any hydraologic connectivity to anything, but there might be some standing water there in the spring.
>> Yeah. So, I I know and I spoke to the lady that I purchased the property from. She was trying to find the old perk test from like 11 years ago, but she had a flood in her basement actually. So that she didn't think she could she couldn't find it. But she was pretty sure that her son was perking in that area too
when they tried 11 12 years ago. >> Well, you got a prank test up front. >> So yeah, and uh even as it is the edge of of your marked area, it's 150 ft. Maybe a little bit more. I mean, that was my quick uh measurement
that I just did there. >> U you know, you know, it seems like you got plenty of of land to work with and uh that's not going to interfere with anything and it really doesn't seem to do much of it because it's it's
all sloped. >> Yeah. And even the neighbor to the left is is quite a bit like higher. So, a lot of his land comes down. We were already going to plan to like try to braid to get the water get to the back so it don't >> rush down the street.
>> Follow that down to the bottom as well. >> Wooded area. Find a couple cranberry >> way back. >> And you put your house in just uh protect that uh eastern I guess it's the
eastern side from anything that runs downhill. >> Yeah. Yeah. That would be >> yeah I mean as far as functions and functions and values I don't think this as offers much you know >> you guys
>> that's the BBW >> anything any questions >> okay >> any questions from the audience then let's uh have a vote it
Um, we got either a negative determination or a positive determination and it certainly seemed like we're all heading in the negative area. Uh, so is there a motion? >> Do you
want to read it? area described in the request is not in any area subject to jurisdiction under the act or the zone. Um so it' be a negative one. >> Okay. >> But also is it jurisdictional under
because we know isolated is not jurisdiction under the wetlands protection act >> but is it jurisdictional under the local? >> It it doesn't seem so. It was previous digging and that's what caused that area and it's not holding anything >> right. >> So negative one
>> uh >> motion one on zero Wellington Street LLC J. >> Is there a second? >> Second.
>> Okay. Uh all in favor. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Give me a little time to >> So the negative determination I have to draft up. Can you just give me a couple
of weeks and then I know you applied for a building permit. >> Yeah, we still have a little >> I wouldn't be surprised. Should we take We still have some some warm bodies out there.
People out of order. We got a list of things here. >> I know you said >> 10:30 Main Street. when we got hot. What? 880. >> What's that? >> He's He's here for Hot Street and
nobody's here for that. So, why don't we give it a little time on that one because Mr. De Lima might still show up. Why don't we deal with 1060 Maine first? >> Wait, which one? >> All here for 1060 main. >> 10.
>> We got nothing else to >> 1060 main. >> That's right. >> Okay. uh to take 1060 main out of order. The motion. >> I'll make a motion to take 1060 main out of order. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> All right. You're on. >> 1060 main. >> Good evening. My name is Sean Calhan and I'm a professional soil scientist. I'm also a wetland biologist and I'm here to talk about um 1060 Main Street today. Um
so I am representing um Greg and Brendan um and um I was actually out at the site today and um essentially what happened here is um we didn't actually know where the bordering veated wetlands were. So
that's what uh I've been brought in to uh you know my next step is to delineate this and be sure that we've got the the correct boundaries. Um so uh I did want to note that uh right when um my clients were notified, they jumped right on top of this and immediately, you know,
seated and had have been coordinating with Lisa on um some seed mixes from New England wetland plants and um and also some additional um stabilization seating as well. So, uh Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Did you have a question? >> Okay.
>> No, I don't have listening. >> Gotcha. Um so, uh that seed has been applied with um wheat free straw as well. So that's been covered and that's been applied um at this stage. So uh what we wanted to do was just kind of uh
let you know you know kind of what we were thinking about for the property. Essentially um my clients are uh entering the retirement phase and they uh come from a long line of agricultural family uses and that's what they are proposing and would like to do here. So
the plan is um to actually have some livestock. So, we're looking at some cows and some sheep and kind of sticking with that Dyon character and rural character. Um so the future plans are to you know have some some livestock
grazing and to have some um we do plan on doing some structures in the future you know uh like a workshop to uh to do some storage of of um you know workshop stuff and then also um seed hay things like that for the animals and have a
structure for the animals in the future as well. um right here. We wanted to um you know get in front of you guys today to let you know that we are on it and we are taking care of this. Um there's been a uh request for a restoration plan which uh the first step that we're going
to do right now is to get those wetlands delineated so everyone knows where they are and get them surveyed so we've got them on a plan and everyone's on the same page with that and then um and then that restoration plan will will follow after that. Um and so one of the more immed
um plans for this and what the activities that actually triggered the call in the in the first place was uh we're looking to actually improve um an agricultural use. So, the agricultural improvement on the on the uh property that we're looking to do is to encompass
a to to put a a fence an 8 foot high fence uh around the property and that's to keep predators out to keep deer out and then eventually to uh help keep the livestock in on the property. >> Now, that fence is going to be on the roughly there's a tree line there which
is which is sort of bordering the wetlands that the fence will be there. Well, you'll show us on a plan, right? Well, yes, abs, absolutely. We're we're going to show you. I mean, the initial thought was that we would kind of bump out as close to the property lines as we could just to, you know, give us as much
space as we could and just kind of secure the whole the whole site to be honest with you. >> Wait, but you but it's going to be the animals aren't going to be further to graze in the wetlands. >> No, no, no, no. That's not what we're talking about. Actually, I should be clear. Sorry. I should have mentioned
that there will also be a um around because If you're familiar with the site, there's actually it used to have some vegetable farming. So, we've got a, you know, pretty decent size amount of uh cleared land already. >> Yeah. >> 16 acres in South area.
>> We think it's about 16 18 acres. Yeah. >> And the plan is >> we're going to have electric fence around that. So, there will be an interior fence for the uh animals >> when we bring those on site as well. >> You got to if you bring them too soon, you got to spray them orange. It's almost shotgun season. Yeah. Yeah. I had
my Blaze Orange on out there today. Don't don't get me wrong, I'm not messing around. >> Um, for sure. >> So, so that's our plan. Um, and we wanted to, you know, just just let you know where we were that we're listening to you. We're we're on it. And, um, and basically, uh, so what we wanted to do
is is see if as part of that restoration plan, if we may be able to also, uh, integrate that, uh, fencing in the plan because what we're trying to do is we're trying to get animals on into the spring. So, we'll try and get the fence up as soon as we can if we can. Um, just
so we can facilitate those guys to to actually get on site. >> Well, give us a plan and we'll uh, you know, as soon as you can and we'll deal with it. >> Yeah, if you can submit a plan to me and then I we can kind of talk about how it's going to be installed and then we
can figure out if, >> you know, an RDA is acceptable or if we need an NOI for that. But, They want us 61A. >> Are they going to be under 61?
>> We are they buying the property from Jim Sua. So it's I think it's already there. >> It's already in 61. So that was why 61. >> It is in 61. So >> So it might be a normal maintenance. >> That was what I was kind of interpreting the regulations as. So I just wanted to kind of hear from you as We have our
bylaw and it's not a it's not an improvement under our bylaw because we didn't consider agricultural right >> when we edited it, but we still need to do that at some point. >> Yeah. >> So, so that's where we Well, so that's where we're at, you know. Um it's
definitely going to be agricultural use. You're not going to see some solar farm or some condos or something like that. That's certainly not the intent here. Um >> so, so yeah, that's so that's our next step. That's our plan. And And we were we're all ears. You know, if you guys
had any suggestions or things that you're looking for us to integrate, we >> always offering suggestions, >> but full disclosure, we stopped everything once we figure out we were we didn't as you stop.
>> No, I I mean, we're very pleased that you hear this this quickly and that you know, you you've got a plan in mind. So once it's committed to paper, we'll go through it and uh uh you know, if we see something that might make it better,
we'll we'll offer it. And if if not, it's it'll go your way. >> Yeah. Um so we did want to um just see as far as the uplands because we've got a like lots of rock that has been accumulated throughout the years. You know how farmer fields are, they've been
tossed to the side. Um so we did want to um do like some gravel um roadways. So, we wanted to do some some crushing on site and kind of get going on some of the upland work that would be, you know, far out of the um even even beyond the
100 foot. And uh and just wanted to kind of give you guys a heads up because we didn't want you to think if you see something out there that like we're doing something else. Um >> yeah, thank you. We appreciate it. >> Yeah. We just just want to be upfront, >> transparent, >> you're not taking stone walls, D or anything.
>> No, no, nothing like that. This is literally, you know, saw they come up and they're tossed to the side for years and years. >> No, I'm >> We got piles. We got plenty of piles out there. So, >> yeah. Oh, I remember I remember seeing some of them. Uh I I was sitting up in one of those trees there for a while.
>> I saw a tree stand out there. I was wondering, is that you? >> Well, no, no, I only go behind my house now. Uh I'm too old to be to be running around through the woods and uh and too many briars. >> Still four or five trees stand up. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Okay.
Well, you know, just below where that other field is with the the the farm is trenched there in the middle, there's usually 10, 15 deer in there every night. >> Well, that's what they don't want the deer eating. You don't want the deer. >> I push them down.
>> That's what the eight foot fence is going to do. Try to push those guys out into the uh undeveloped >> the bushes. >> All right. just keep if you could just keep the communication open, you know,
and and like contact me. Um I can give you my direct line too. >> Actually, if you seen the emails, I think my text call number, this cell phone is on there. >> So, but I will write it down as well.
>> And then >> now are you allies? >> Yeah. >> We were as kids grow we grew up farming and >> yeah, >> you know, we we still have a farm in full disclosure in Ireland. I think it's closed down at the morning. We just want to do the right thing here. We want to
have a and we really want to make, >> you know, uh I I think we all love agriculture and this this town was built on it. Whether it started as strawberries or or wherever it is now now there's butternut everywhere. Now they're uh uh growing electricity in
some of the farms. Again, I apologize. We didn't know way to approach the time. >> They're taking care of it. >> See, as soon as as soon as that as soon as that happened, you guys were we were down there. You know, we we were right
down there when we heard what was going on and you guys just jumped in and took care of it. So, >> I mean, good was a good positive. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you're going to get a plan. You're going to give it to her. God save Ireland.
>> All right. >> So, we can >> Thank you. Have a good evening. >> Thank you. >> Can we take Mr. Mado? He has some concerns about 48 Street. >> Okay. That's the one on the hill going
up from 138 on the right hand side. the new house. >> Oh yeah. >> Am I right? Yeah. Okay. >> Motion to take 418 out of order. >> He's not the develop developer. >> Neighbor. >> No, I'm the budding neighbor. >> Oh, >> you need to go to the podium, please.
Thank you. >> Um so, uh Jason Mashado 424 Heart Street. Um, so yeah, I mean other than the whole project's kind of been just um difficult for everybody uh abuing the property and
and nearby um everything from the the hydraulic hammering. Um I can't tell you all the different things popped up. Stuff I didn't even know like you know uh we have a gas insert in the fireplace. Um, apparently the logs can shift when someone's blast hammering for
six weeks straight and um, you know, burn the logs cost about $1,000. All this stuff we've been putting up with it, I haven't really been, you know, other than reaching out to Lisa from time to time, bringing a lot of it up. Um, but the most recent one I I I had to
come in today because it it it is an issue. Um, the land was below my land. Um, when you looked at it, it's all ledge. Uh, I still don't know how they even built on it, but um, you know, they ended up kind of creeping into some conservation land. I talked to Lisa
about that. They pulled stakes. Um, but the issue I'm having now is they brought in I don't even know how many truckloads of fill and loom and they built up on the ledge. So now the property went from where I never had water issues because the water went down to now they decided
on their own to come in, build it up, and then add There's a massive um uh leeching field there they put in uh on top of that. So now that that was fine. That's legal. I have no issue with that. My dad was building inspector for
a long time. I know the codes. Um it's 29 ft from the property. Uh but what they decided to do is now build up all of the land abuing my property. And then they even built up I don't know what the thought is maybe for mowing it. I don't know. but they built it up so it like
swells all the way up to this huge um leeching field area. So, it was a noticeable mound and now it's not nearly as noticeable because it was just truck after truck after truck after truck coming in. And with the recent water we
just had with the rain, uh I never had water issues and every tree I had around the the mulch bed, they were just completely filled with with water. Um, and and there's no grass there yet. Um, there's no people living there yet. This
is only going to get worse. And the stranger part, and I'm sure Lisa's already seen this and not loving it, is the other abuing neighbor who they've asked me to come in and and mention this. They built up that side as well and swailed it. But the strange part is
that's now going onto the conservation land. So, this whole project has just been an issue. But I had to in today because what I'm asking is for someone to step in and have them bring that land back down to where it should be. Grading the land I have no issue with. Um but building it up to the point that it's
above my property and flooding my land. I I just I had to come in and mention >> Lisa is any of that filling in our jurisdiction. >> Oh yeah. So let's back up. So you guys issued an order based on the fact that there's a local jurisdiction there. So
it was under the local bylaw that approved this in Dave and I had I think Bill's been out. >> Oh, I've been I've been out there a couple times. >> So from the start >> 16 times >> they had an enforcement order from the start.
>> So it was supposed to be addressed through the um order conditions. So on top of the issues that Mr. Mashado is explaining, we now also have the post and the placards are not up anymore. the
controls just got got up because me and Mr. Ferry helped him obtain some um and so now we also had the driveway I believe in the wrong location. >> Um the driveway was supposed to be
pvious and I don't believe it is. So when I sent out the agenda I contacted SNG um his engineer Brad Brad contacted me yesterday and he wouldn't be here because he's not getting paid. U basically he owed money. So now Mr.
Dimma got notified via certified mail and he did sign they did sign for it. So um the building department is aware of the whole situation and we do have a new building inspector that I'm about to meet soon. So >> yes oh we have a new one. Oh okay the
job. So >> we have a new one that was just hired last night. >> Okay. >> So I'm going to make sure that Nancy is already aware of it downstairs. >> Yeah. My concern is just like once the grass I mean because it's popping right now. So once it starts growing um I'm
going to have water all winter long um if someone doesn't stop it. And um the other thing too guys like I came again on behalf of the neighbors. Um all my neighbors are elderly. Uh I really honestly was just like ah you know people are building they have a right to build. I really didn't want to get
involved. Um, but they needed me to come in and I started coming in. And then when I started talking to my dad about, you know, codes and and so on and so forth, and I've talked to Lisa about it, you know, one of the things they mentioned in the beginning, they were going to have no problem putting um, you know, the tanks. What are the like
culvic tanks? Is that what >> Calteex is? >> Yeah. Right. So, they were going to put tanks in to because there so much water. I couldn't understand how they were going to build. So, they were going to do that. That usually is a deterrent a lot of times because the contractors don't like to do that because they're so expensive. Um tanks were going to put in
when we built 16 years ago. We built the house new. Um we were required by the town to put in um you know dry wells um with the downspouts running right running right into the ground. They haven't I mean they may be doing something now, but up to now they haven't done anything. Um and I you know
I've got I've got video surveillance. I've got four people living in my home. We've seen this project from day one and uh there is no there's no effort to reduce the amount of water and now they're directing it in my direction.
>> Is it is the land owner the builder of the property? >> So he's going to want to sell the property. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. Well, not not without um what do you call a write off from conservation? >> He won't get a certificate of
compliance. I don't know until he does a lot of Okay. So, so we understand your concerns. Uh certainly Lisa does and and whenever they come in, they're going to have to uh comply with what's there. And
there and and as we can as I can say it, there won't be any accepted amended order of conditions to support what they do because uh uh you know what what they did they try to
amend it. That would leave the problem as it is and we want to correct that problem if it's outside the the jurisdiction of the order of conditions. >> Okay. Uh I think what uh we're all set with uh you're are you all set?
>> Yeah, I'm fine. I'm just hoping that someone can support me right now. >> We do. We we so the guys have an enforcement order that they need to ratify tonight >> and I issued >> okay. Um
All right. >> Oh yeah. Okay. That's that's all that's all signed. >> That's already done. That was done. Uh You guys Oh, you signed it. Okay. >> Yeah, that's all that's all set. >> Can you just formally vote on it? >> He's already got an enforcement order.
>> Yeah, that's what Lisa mentioned. >> And >> can you can you formally vote on it, please? >> Okay. All right. Um >> I'm looking for a motion to >> wants to look at the toe post for it. >> Okay.
>> It's definitely different than what's depicted on the plan. It's cookie time. >> I'll take one. >> Thank you so much. I don't I don't know the address couple that came in. >> I don't know their address,
>> but but they had so much water once the build started they couldn't anymore now that I can't I can only imagine what that comes through here somewhere. >> Where did he put the driveway? Right in
the front. He swailed it to the left >> and he and he >> It's supposed to be over to the left. >> No, he's talking to the other side. The other left. >> The other >> Oh, yeah. When you're looking at the property, sw to the right. Yes. I'm pretty sure where he swailed it to
actually had stakes at one point. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that she had put the conservation stakes running all the way down Here is here's the wellness. Here's 50 ft. So, our jurisdiction comes up to here
with this P line right here. >> Yeah, there were there was plaque post and pl >> I have photos. We We required it and then all of a sudden they disappeared. >> I didn't bring photos. You told me not to. I got plenty if you need them. >> Yeah, we don't need we
I have a million photos of the site. police will >> I would have walked over and honestly just talked to it's really normally not a big deal but they just >> they just do their own thing come >> okay
>> okay uh all right I think we're all set then and we'll continue on with our uh agenda thank you for coming >> and we will be on top of it >> come to plan to come to the next month meeting hopefully we can get him Yeah, if we can, it's going to become a more,
you know, >> going to get worse >> for him, right? Yeah. No, I I'll come and and uh, you know, again, community statements from the neighbors, you know, I can get them and then speak on their behalf. So, >> yeah, you might want that. >> Okay. Well, we got you here. The erosion
control is still in place around the site. >> They added some uh just recently. Uh, there was nothing for a very long time. Um, and I'm assuming Lisa stepped in and >> um There was some there that got buried. >> Yeah.
>> And uh then it got wet. It got wet and it was just it was a mess. >> Yeah. So >> yeah, it's been interesting to us. >> Thank you so much. I I must have been by there 16 times. >> Oh, I bet. No, I bet. It's my favorite part was when they started doing the hydraulic um hammering and uh they
didn't put any >> any guards up of any sort. You know what I mean? Like a blanket, nothing. You know, just posted. It hit my house. It hit my cars. It was it was crazy. So, um yeah, this has not been fun working with the the builder that's doing the project.
>> Okay. Um >> All right. Thank you. >> All right, guys. >> Okay. I'm looking for a ratification. >> Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. >> You too. >> I'm looking for a ratification of the enforcement audit to Junior De Lima on
property at 418 Hot Street. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? All in favor? >> I >> Okay, that is officially uh met. >> Thank you.
>> Okay, Lisa, I'm going to let you pick on the uh um enforcement artist. Uh if you don't think that there's been enough done on whatever, you can just skip right over uh whatever and and head down down the column.
>> Yeah. Um it should go fairly Um, just give me a second. Okay. >> Should go very quickly. So 271 County, we received an email from the lawyer. Um I think at this point
with that one, we're got to move on to executive session another another time. So we need to set up a meeting to discuss that. guys in mind after Thanksgiving.
>> Yeah. Couple weeks. >> Jim, >> I'm sorry. I was uh doing some some work here session meeting for this item >> on which one? >> 2371 county. So we can so the the lawyers can start
coordinating together. >> We're in 2371. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Um I'm hoping that the state is going to come in. They from from what we're told.
>> Okay. Let's let's set up um a meeting with day and time's good. Um, >> next Thursday. >> Next Thursday. >> Um, >> the following Thursday, the 4th,
>> December 4th. >> Can we do it early though? >> Any chance we can do it early? >> Thursdays. I have to miss bowling for them. >> Um, December 4th, executive 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock, 12 o'
>> Let's do it at 10 then. >> Can anyone I mean could you attend 10 o'clock on a phone on the phone at least? >> I I could be on the phone. >> Okay. What about you, Jack? >> If you remind me, >> let me see if that class is available. 124
>> is a Thursday, right? >> Yep. >> At 10. All right. And then 2470 Pleasant Street in 2421 County. I received an email from the owner, Mr.
Bot. He's looking for a reputable contractor um to do the work out here. And I told him, I can't make any recommendation. I told him I'd make an announcement, but there's no one here right now. But if anyone's watching who knows anyone who
can do the work for him, >> and this would be what? Restoration. >> Yeah, the restoration plan that we approved. And we received an email from Mrs. Whitmore today, too, as an update to the
Just She said to whom concern I have to open it in another browser. Sorry. >> Did I forward it to you guys this afternoon? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you read it, D? >> Yeah. >> Because I can't open it.
Thank you. >> Uh this is from Darene Whitmore. To whom it may concern, we have disposed of the animals from that site. remove shelter from the area of concern and also removed all the wire fence that was used
to contain the animals as told by the engineer. >> Okay. You know, I can attest that that that has been done. I think they need a little cleaning up of whatever that is. Uh whether it's going to grow back on
its own or uh you know uh but uh uh that has been uh you know the animals and fencing >> you know is as as described. >> Um >> I my sentiment's exactly. Um we drove we
drove by that. >> Yeah. Should we request a site >> you know I think >> it should be it should be cleaned up a little >> cleaned up a little bit more. I mean as far as roughness of and just and then throw some seed in there. >> Do do you want to request a site visit with them or um Susan? How about them to
keep the cost down? >> Yeah, I think that that would be good. And you know what you were saying about uh just throwing in some some um wetland seed mix from an appropriate location, appropriate retailer.
>> All right. And then um 1070 um Smith. I did get an email back from Mrs. um Moro. She This is the one where they did file with us. Remember they filed with
Zenith? Um um an RDA for the work that's out there. I believe it was an RDA. Do you guys remember that recently? um they don't plan to do the work until the spring, but a contractor did reach out to me today to have a conversation
and I do need to call them back. So, that sounds good. Um happy that's happening. Um they need to stabilize that. Unfortunately, they messed the window for the winter, but come spring
hopefully that'll be in better shape. Um 260 Country Hill Drive. Well, that and two and 662. I think they're all set, aren't they? >> Um, no, they're not. >> I t I talked to 662 some.
>> Yeah. >> Um, he's going to get back to us with the plantings after he uh >> Okay. >> Yeah. about springtime probably. >> Yeah. And 260, they did purchase the seed, but they missed the window. They were going to wait and see what grew in
in the spring. So, we'll follow up. This will be taken off the agenda till the spring. >> Okay. >> Um and same thing with 662. Um 2625 Lewis Street. I asked Dave to help me with that one. >> I've left two messages um pretty much
explicit messages to please contact me and u I've been blown off. I don't know if that's the right words to use, but I'm sorry. >> It's the truth. Goodness. >> Yeah. um 1861 Somerset AB. I did get a message
um and I need to return the gentleman's phone call. He does want to file um with us. So, they're moving in the right direction. I will give him a call as well as soon as I can. Um Zero Prospect, as you know, was on the agenda tonight,
so that one can come off or actually go to the springs to see some planting and seeding. And then um zero Horton, I did receive a response from the owner. Um because he
required them to seed the disturbance in the buffer zone. Um he does plan to plant and they did seed it. So I told him that'll come back on in the spring um as well.
And 700 Main Street see here. So, we received an email with photos um before the meeting. Uh this is in response to the complaint.
So, Jen Cabaral said, "Hi, sorry for the delayed response. I saw a Facebook post about tonight's meeting and it dawned on me I never sent the update. Since your visit, we have had uh we have of course um stopped adding to the front right side of the driveway which is a buffer
zone disturbance. Um we purchased the winter ride and it has been seated. The photos are attached. We look forward to continuing to maintain our property while also protecting the wetlands. Thank you the Alicens. >> Awesome. Okay. Now winter ride that's
going to they're going to replace that sometime. winter r is gonna just grow three feet high in the spring and uh >> uh >> in that area might be all right >> it's a tempor it's it's actually a
portion of the lawn they just have regraded um a small portion next to the driveway so >> okay >> um they I'm sure they will see as needed they've been >> this is the second but third complaint
that we to receive that they've responded to >> meeting. Okay. >> All right. Let's uh head down to uh uh meeting minutes. Uh >> um >> y
>> Oh, okay. Uh May 29th. Uh uh do we have a motion to uh accept those minutes? >> Motion to accept the minutes from 52925. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. a uh motion to accept the minutes
from uh October 16, 2025. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. >> Uh okay, there we go. And I Okay, >> bills payable. No,
>> I have beenuring that's happening. Okay. Is is there anything here that needs to be done? Okay. That uh bills payable. We're all set with that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Shepherd red line version of the
subdivision law. There was something that I did like on that. Uh I it's home, but it it was um all land which is wetland or whatever is just regarded as usable lots and then
they can only have uh how many houses they could build in the other land, the usable land by the normal lot size. And then if they shrink them into a subdivision that the extra land
from the subdivision would then be used for playgrounds or whatever. Uh so they wouldn't if it's a 100 acre lot and 50 acres are not usable, how many houses could they get on that 50 acre land and then if they say okay we could because
of roadway and sidewalks they could only get 20 houses. Well, that's all they can put there and then the rest of the space wouldn't be open space >> would be open space. Yeah. So I mean I like that uh that statement in there.
>> Great. Yeah. Did anyone else have anything? I know we had them come and we already kind of >> Yeah. Paul was kind of handling that >> with the red I haven't I haven't I haven't looked at this. >> Um I believe I sent his comments to her,
but if I didn't um I believe one of us did. Um I'm going to make myself here. All right. And then the flowchart. Did you guys all see the flowchart that the planning board had had proposed? The
application flowchart. Yeah, the one you gave me that was all mocked up. Oh my goodness. >> I I don't know how anyone can follow this. >> Which one is it? >> I had a tough time. >> Well, I gave up on it. I I said, you
know, you go here, you like this. >> That was >> you go here, you go there. If you don't go here, you go go this other side. And I'm just saying, oh, wait a minute. Uh uh what we need is uh you you apply to
to get a perk test, you apply to conservation, you apply for a building permit, and then and then you and then you go from there. It's It's too complicated. It's too complicated. >> I think so. >> Too much room for error. It's too
complicated. This whole flowchart is is ugly. >> Well, what what the planning board is trying to do is um >> help people. >> Right. So, do we want to request a meeting with them to go over this
>> if because I don't know how comfortable I feel saying this is too complicated to saying this is I mean we're not offering >> let's have let's have a meeting with them >> we're not offering a solution >> this is this is far better than anything
anybody else has brought up >> very true >> it's only because no one's brought up anything Well, >> you want Can you follow it? >> You follow it. >> Yeah, I follow the whole thing. >> If you graduated from high school,
actually graduated from grammar school, you can follow that. >> Everybody tells us, you know, the building department's going to send everybody in the right direction. The owner board's going to do it. This one's going to, but nobody does it.
And then when everything's all messed up here, they sit over here one notch to straighten out the lot sizes or the drainage or something else. >> Okay. So this we're whatever according
to this here everything starts with conservation according to this. >> Yeah. >> Everything. I think it should. >> But you know, there's also the concern that Tom Perry and I and Nancy have about storm water because if the storm want if it's going to disturb over
35,000 square feet, then it triggers a storm water permit. >> So, you know, Nancy did have this. All all you got to do there. >> Well, >> they're using us as a clearing house, right?
>> They're using us as a clearing house. >> I I think it should be. You don't think it should? >> And saying, "Oh, you don't have to come here. You can go to the next step." >> Right. which is similar to if we want to get into the last item correspondence
preliminary review form. Can we can we add discussion now about that while we're talking about this? So the prelim preliminary review form that we drafted
um I know I've emailed you guys a copy of it and it's what other towns use. So basically the situation we have here is that we have a permit link that is underutilized
in the town hall right now. There's only select departments on I'm on conservation is on building's on the treasures office is on assessors I believe is on now but we don't have water health
and the other department. So where's the how are we coordinating right now? You know, we have to verbally call another office to find out what's going on. >> You know, I mean, a after this after
this right here, this section right here in this corner, after this, it gets almost confusing where they're saying they're sending you to all these different boards. But I mean, right here is is easy. But once you get in here and
and you see all these zigzag lines that you can go to this department, that department, both departments, uh it's it's very very confusing. I I find it that way. >> A lot of yes and no. I mean, if necessary, some of it can be eliminated
right off. >> Some of it can be up. >> If you're going to if you're going to go up on the top of Maple Street, you know what I mean? And build up there. basically to the left going up the hill. We can pretty much tell there isn't much wet land.
>> Yeah. >> Another area, same thing. But if you're going up Fremont Street, >> there isn't too many places where you can walk, but it won't get your feet wet. So, >> Oh, yeah. >> No, I know what you're saying because we
would we would be able to stop some action before it even gets going, >> right? >> And then we would alleviate some Well, that's why I'm saying this, >> this crap right here is easy. >> Well, you can't stop them totally if they can replicate
>> because we've done that before right on Center Street and a few other places. If you can replicate wetlands to get the uplands, we've let it happen. But at least you're going to have to tell them you got to stop. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then if it's this or if it's that,
you know what I mean? You're going to have to go see the planning board. fields. >> Yeah. So, basically they start with us, but then ultimately um planning and conservation are supposed to be reviewing things at the same time.
Now, >> with Weston and Samson, so say a commercial or a bigger, >> it's like a subdivision. >> That's kind of the the general feeling is that we all want to >> and that should make things streamlined
somewhat because and Samson is reviewing it at the same time like we've been doing with the other like we just did with Bombs and um the other subdivision on William Street um El Street, but then you know you do have the storm water
component. So >> yeah, that could be mentioned in the process. >> Yeah, towards the beginning I think >> because everybody's totally got a personel storm water, right? This
department, that department. >> Yeah, but it doesn't always happen that way. >> Well, no, but I mean there's enough people. >> Yeah. I mean, I think back to like So, this should help.
Do we want to request a meeting with them to discuss it? >> No, we got to have some kind of a plan as what we're going to say, >> you know, and we got to offer is going to be better and see if they like it. >> Actually, our portion starts it.
>> Yeah. >> So, it's the other departments that have to have planning. If we start it and we condition a project, it just goes all to the other boards and and we don't have anything else to do
until we until they get approval from the other departments and then we monitor what they do. >> Yeah. We got to we got to get it. So they start with us. >> It's what that's what it is. That's why I said this part is easy right here. >> A lot of them >> Yeah. They jump. There's problems
because they went downstairs and they went here, they went there. >> Yeah. >> And they didn't start with us. >> Right. >> Well, at least with this, >> this starts with us >> right there. It says start. >> Don't pass. Don't cast. Don't collect
water. >> No, I I like that. No, that I like I think that's extremely important. >> So Lisa is going to say no wetlands. Go to the next one. I think that's where the preliminary review form discussion comes into place >> which we have on the agenda for the
select men's meeting. Um what is it? December 10th >> next meeting >> the next meeting um is okay you know not just having this but um here you want to
do this here take this paper get signed off by the conservation department >> hope something and I don't know I haven't thought this through yet but similar to what you just said if we basically
We're first and we turn around and we're responsible to say look your next step is >> this this and this or this and this right? They go to the next step and that department is responsible to send them
in the next step and they have some kind of a sign off sheet where each department can sign off for >> Yeah. >> whatever permit like >> Exactly. Exactly. not being used. >> It could be used better just like that.
>> Yeah. And and basically we've only been talking about that for two almost two years. >> Probably four. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I mean >> they've had problems right along there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We got we got buildings people can't use and
>> you know they got to change driveways and there's access to everybody's button heads. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I think, you know, this is where the new building inspector, we're going to have to meet with him. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> When he comes in and we're going to say,
"Hey, uh, you know, uh, all all action starts here." >> He w he was a building inspector in another community was also a a community on the water. So, I think he >> So, he's familiar. >> Yeah. >> Well, maybe we can start out on the
right foot. >> Right foot. >> Yeah. Well, you know, working together as a welloiled machine, >> you know, >> will get them to the next step. >> Yeah. >> But have a sign off sheet. So the individual, and again, I haven't thought this through.
>> We're supposed to. >> Yeah, we used to have it. >> Everybody keeps saying, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah." You know, but it doesn't show up. >> Yeah, I know. I know what you're saying. Well, if if we can if we can do something like that, give them
direction, but yet have everything listed so that they know they got to satisfy all these things. Now, now you got to go back to compound prior to building this. This is getting your lot.
how you're going to get your your house site and what you're going to do approved and have your drawings and so forth. Something like that. Then they they go to the next step. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> this might have it all, but it's all
these arrows going in different directions. I think like confusion, but they they got color coded here. >> Yeah. But I think what could come of this, not to interrupt you, is that process could be written out in a
step format, >> right? >> Yep. >> So like I think for my our department too, we could write out a step format, you know, so people understand what we're supposed to be, how they need to
work with us from the beginning. So that maybe the building now would accept steps like a handout to give people because that was really what I had tried to do previously was can you before you
ex because once they accept the building permit they only have so much time to >> yeah and so so can you give this to them ahead of time so that they can see that they should deal with this stuff >> before they deal go to the finish line
don't go to the finish line first, >> right? Direct them here and then either we give it to them or they should already have it. Oh, did did you did they give you this? Oh, gee, you need this. You know, if they don't, at least
they sent them here, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying? Something along that line. And then we can they can see the steps. Go right down the steps. But you know, I this might be exquisite, but it's very confusing.
>> Yeah, we could plagiarize this though. Take the information that's on here and maybe put it like a list >> on the list form, you know? >> Yeah. >> And and uh maybe we give them one of these and the list, >> right? >> See, I mean,
>> maybe we give them both or we put print it on the back. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, we they can't say they don't have this and we we printed it on here. >> Sometimes have like a permitting guide like an actual guide
>> that it's kind of like a you know >> Okay. Would you would you put a numerical order? >> But I mean that's >> you know like a >> Yeah. Did that. Yeah. >> Now you you work in multiple towns communities. Uh,
do you have access to all these towns flow charts? >> Well, to be honest with you, I work in a lot of towns, but in the last eight plus years, uh, someone's always ahead of me
getting these things, whether it's be the engineering, the developer himself, or whatever. So, I don't I don't keep a engineering staff anymore. I don't have I I don't even have an office staff. So, I'm sort of wearing a lot of hats, but
not doing something like this. I don't even acquire permits most of the time, you know. Okay. All right. All right. Let's um >> So, I mean, >> I'll work on something as far as
reducing this down to a more manageable level, but to include everybody. Uh, I mean, like I say, this might be perfect. I like where it starts with us because if it's wetlands, why go any further, though? >> Y, absolutely. They can't get by that.
And why waste their time? >> Yeah. you know, so but but I would consider putting it on the same sheet and getting people to sign off and maybe even put a serial number on the sheet or
someone write a number, file number or something. So, we know that it hasn't been changed or tampered with. You know what I'm saying? Y and uh this way here and and they know to go down the list and they
could get direction once once that's in in uh in force. I mean, you know, in service, people will get used to handling it. They'll be looking for it and other departments will be looking for it because they know they got to sign off.
>> I mean, when you come down to it, how how many departments are we dealing with? First of all, conservation. You're dealing with border health for right or is it for >> zoning? >> But then you also have a Did they pay their taxes? So they need a treasurer sign off. They need I think they need an
assessor sign off too. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> All right. So six then. >> Yeah. A building uh but zoning it's a matter of lookup. >> Yeah. But wouldn't uh wouldn't the
building department automatically look up to see about the taxes? >> No. They would look up zoning. They would know zoning. >> Oh, zoning. Okay. >> Yes. So, the what's how it works now is the building department gets in an application
electronically for a building permit. Then they task it to me, the treasurer, I think the assessor. That's how it's done now. And then we review to see, oh, hey, yeah, you can build that shed, or
hey, you need to come and file with us, or hey, can you give us a little more information? So, that's how it's done now. >> Because I think most people wouldn't even wouldn't even think of going to conservation first. They would they want to go and get their building permit.
They want to put up a garage. Let's go get a building permit. And so you know uh um if that if that is the normal thought process of people then it would be okay
to start with them but they cannot continue until we sign off. >> Yeah that hasn't worked out with passion. >> No it hasn't because someone knew more than us. >> Yeah. >> But you may you may have a chance with someone new.
>> There you go. We should be able to >> I plan to meet with him sometime when he you said two weeks. December looks like he'd be coming on. >> I don't think he start next week. He sat in the weekend. >> That's December. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Good. >> All right. >> All right.
>> Is that enough disc I mean I think we've got something uh thought process going. >> So does anyone else I'm going to count go to the meeting on December 10th. Does anyone else want to go? I mean to talk about the preliminary review format. >> I got some happy to go.
>> My schedule is going uphill at the moment. >> My schedule is just >> You said the cemetery. >> Yes. >> I got that's I got to see where I am where I am in this job that's driving me
nuts. So, >> all right. We can move on to the next item. >> Okay. >> Which is the calendar. Correct. >> Lisa there. >> Okay. The calendar. >> Yep. With those all those dates. Moving
on. >> Okay. Calendar is uh approved. Awesome. >> Um Okay. We don't have to vote on that. That that's just a continuation of what we're doing, >> right? No, we don't have to vote on it,
but I did want to make um make sure that anybody listening or realizes that our January meeting um um the deadline for submission is January 6th and the meeting date is January 22nd which deviates a little bit
from our regular schedule due to the fact that that holiday week I am not going to be there >> here. Okay. >> All right. >> Okay. So, you want to vote on the schedule, the meeting schedule? >> Want to >> Okay.
Is there a motion to approve the preliminary meeting schedule for 2026? >> So move second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. Um
Okay. Next is the purchase of a laptop. Okay. Um the commission had use of a laptop from the board of health for a week or two. They uh required back.
Lisa is without the use of the laptop and uh um she has gone through uh various areas and looked up the necessary laptop and right now it's going to be um
uh the laptop which would be uh and that and that's on internet price. >> Uh that's straight from the IT guys. >> Okay. Okay. for the IT and there's going to be it set up. Uh okay. Uh now what what's this uh
keyboard? Is that the special keyboard? Um >> it's whatever they said I needed. >> Okay. And then you got to and that's going to be and is that include that price include setup? >> I don't know, Jeff. >> Okay. All right. Um, what I'm looking
for then is a motion to purchase laptop with accessory uh and setup uh not to exceed $2,000. And that that's uh uh 1450. That's about
$300 $400 over the actual purchase price because of the setup. Um, okay. So, if we do it that way, we we know where our funding is. Um, and Lisa, we got uh
professional technical, we got 2170, so we got enough to cover it. >> Sounds good. >> Is there a motion to uh purchase laptop and accessories? Uh, uh, not to exceed 20 2,000.
>> I'll make a motion to accept the laptop purchase not to exceed 2,000. >> Second. Did I get it all? >> Second. Okay. Uh all in favor. >> I Okay. Now, did you get that paperwork on it?
Lisa, here. Let me uh >> Thank you. Okay. >> Yeah, it's a surface tri. It's not a laptop. It's a little bit different, but >> Okay, I think we're all set for this tonight. Are we at
>> correspondence? Uh, public no public. We adjournment. Okay. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> A second. All in favor? All right.