I'd like to call the Dy Conservation Commission meeting to order for Thursday uh February 19, 2026. Uh this uh meeting is uh opening at 6:00 p.m. and we are uh
video, audio, and cable broadcasting. Could anyone rise please for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Standing our agenda, we have a request. uh an applicant has another meeting to attend elsewhere and uh so I'm asking uh uh anyone here in the
commission to make a motion to take um the mass do and the town of Dayton bridge replacement out of order. >> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> All in favor? I. Okay. Um
>> reminder if everybody could please sign in if they have. Thank you. >> Good evening commissioners. Uh my name is Tyler Drew with Beta Group. I'm here to present the Pleasant Street Bridge Replacement Project um in Dyton.
Um, as you said, this is a a mass DOT project. Um, the the existing bridge was constructed over 100 years ago. Um, and it shows clear signs of deterioration. I believe might have even been closed recently if I heard correctly. Um, yes.
So, so um the replacement is definitely needed. Um, the project qualifies under the bridge exemption uh from the wetlands protection act. However, it does propose work with uh within jurisdictional resources uh resource areas under the Dyon wetlands protection
bylaw. Uh so we're filing a local notice of intent um for authorization under the bylaw. Um in addition to the bylaw, um the project is also subject to section 404 and 401 um authorization. So it has also been
submitted to Army Corps and Mass D for water quality search. um those cons consultations are all still ongoing. Uh so the purpose of the presentation tonight is to just present the project uh and get comments and anything like that uh while those other
consultations are ongoing uh just in case we need to make any um changes to the project in the meantime. Um so just to give you some context on the site um the Pleasant Street Bridge um yeah it carries Pleasant Street over
Money Hope Brook. Um Uh, Muddy Cove Brook flows under Pleasant Street into the Taton River, which is located along the side of the site. Uh, Muddy Cove Lane intersects with Pleasant Street. U, it creates kind of a dangerous intersection. There, very limited line of sight because of the
bridge here. Um, Tesentennial Park is to the north northeast. Um, and then Muddy Co Pond is to the northwest. Uh, and then the rest of the area is residential. Um
see uh and just a just to note uh there's no formal storm water infrastructure on the site. Um yeah just just as a note um >> is it required? >> Is storm water required for >> No. So we're proposing just to leave it
as uh country drainage. Um the there's a very minor increase in in impervious surface. Um but you know we feel it's um I can discuss that a little bit but yeah the alternatives for for storm water improvements are kind of limited on the site. Um but the project is proposing to
replace the entire structure the the bridge deck and the abutments wing walls um and as well as relocating existing water and gas utilities that currently run through the bridge. Um it will also install um uh scour protection along the
abutments u to reinforce what what is already existing um along with uh a sidewalk along the eastern side of the bridge here um and you know the associated ADA compliant curb ramps um in compliance with uh mass
DOT specifications. Um the widened bridge deck uh is is proposed to accommodate the sidewalk and also to create a safer line of sight for vehicles turning to muddy coke lane uh to sort of improve that intersection.
Um so in addition to the bridge deck um we're also proposing to install modified rock build along the abutments and at all four corners. Uh this is for scour protection to pro protect against the the tidal influence of the stream. Um
this is proposed in areas that are already uh modified rock fill. Um it's shown on the plans here. U all four corners are existing rock fill. Um so the the placement is to uh replace anything that's disturbed during construction. Uh and again to to
reinforce what's already there. Um, all right. In order to complete the replacement, uh, what we're proposing is to install sheet metal copper um, along both of the abutments. Um, so that will allow work to be conducted in
in the dry while muddy cove um, continues to flow through the center of the crossing. Um yeah uh and all work is proposed to be uh conducted from the surface of of Pleasant Street. Obviously the road will have to be closed during construction.
Um so all equipment staging um stockpiling all of that will be done from the surface of Pleasant Street. >> So this would be done like segments. the the rock buffer zone would be done first and then the uh bridge would just what would you just lift it out and then uh
drop a new one in or not or not that simple. >> Yeah, probably not that simple. >> Not that simple. So the the gas line the existing gas line that's on this side of the bridge um there's also a water line on this side of the bridge here. The water line there will be gates installed
at each end to shut it off. Um however the gas line though that is what's going to require staging or a sequence of construction that is you can see the sheeting right here that is the first stage of construction. The existing
structure will remain partially up here to retain the existing gas line while they demolish the existing bridge um partially and then the existing substructure within that coffford dam
limit. Once they're able to rebuild u the substructures and then partial uh sub superructure they can and get the utility base set they can then move that gas line down and then move to the rest of the bridge.
>> Now when you say uh the the anti-scaring material you talking about rip wrap >> uh it's modified rock fill but yeah essentially yeah >> modified rock >> rock fill. Yeah. So, it's a >> rip. >> Yeah.
>> What's that? >> 8 to 12. >> 16 24. >> There should be a detail on the plan for that. >> Now, you're going to close, are you going to keep one lane open while the work is is uh
>> I believe the bridge is actually Yeah, it's already closed. Yeah, the road is inaccessible already. Yeah. >> Huh? >> If I >> if I may. So, >> just state your name for the record for the minute taker, please.
>> No. Um, Ralph Taco town administrator. So, we received notification from uh from the mass DOT. They cannot um they cannot rate the bridge at this time. Um the um we are waiting for word from from
Mass DOT uh to uh possibly uh we uh possibly be closing the bridge. They can't they can't rate the weight on it uh just because they can't they can't get to it and and assess it properly. So when we get official word from the uh
from the DOT um we are looking at uh uh putting a a closing and detour plan in place. >> Where would the detour be? Uh, we haven't figured that out yet because we haven't got the official work. >> Okay. So, what what's the span of this?
>> Thanks, Rob. >> The crossing. >> Yeah. >> 26 ft. >> 26 ft. >> And you're going to replace it with pre-stressed concrete or steel or >> Yes, the the superructure will be uh pre-fabricated pre-stressed concrete
beams. And what is the start to finish? Uh >> timeline >> day timeline. >> Well, that is uh still up in the air because we >> No, I'm not saying when is it, but but what once you start, how long is
complicated because of uh division fisheries and um marine fisheries? >> Yeah, we received several time of year restrictions. Um and that kind of conflicts with some of the construction timelines. Um, so yeah, that's that's still work right now. general guess
based on uh we hire a firm right turn that does our construction scheduling it was roughly around five to eight years potentially because of all the closures construction but that's a general
>> I'm sorry I I can't hear that >> something doesn't sound >> 5 to eight years >> 5 to eight years closure >> of yes to complete >> to complete the replacement really to complete a 26 ft bridge. I understand there's some complications
with the fisheries and so forth >> and the coffin dam is going to remain in there the whole time. >> Uh yes. Well, partially. Yes. Uh they they'll be working on one side at a time. Yeah.
>> Yeah. If to my recollection, old Somerset Avenue, they cut the bridge out one day and the next day they came with a crane and dropped the new one in place. >> Yeah, it's not done. >> I'm not saying it's the I'm not saying it's the same thing. >> No, this
um you know, I'm thinking maybe two 3 weeks, but uh >> five to eight years. the coffer dam the the bridge >> uh supports or buttress or or whatever you want to call them they're going to be inside the coffer dam or outside
>> inside >> inside so they'll be built inside >> and your span will be 26 feet so your hole now is 40 some feet to the sheathing >> in five or six years eight >> it's a very general So I guess because
we we literally just got those time of year restrictions. So >> now that's work time, right? That's not >> No, that's that's work and downtime. >> Yes. >> So your permit, Concom permit's going to expire. >> I'm going to live to see this finished.
>> That's why there's a lot that still needs to get down. That's why we're not trying to get this. >> I'm not trying to be wise. Can you just give me a a little hint? I mean, is is the army corps? Is it the fisheries? >> It's definitely fisheries. >> It's what they call government aid.
>> Before this starts, won't that all that be put in place? >> Well, there's spring. So, the eels um >> Tom, did you get a copy of all that? >> Uh Laur also from Beta Group, I can speak a little bit more to that. So, the time of year restrictions, we have two
time of year restrictions that are recommended by DMF. Um, one is a fall time of year restriction from believe it's September 1st to um, November 15th. And during that time, we can work as long as the coffer dam is already in
place. So, we can continue working. Um, but the copper dam needs to be installed at least one week before September 1st, so the end of August. The other time of year restriction, the spring time of year restriction is from March 15th through uh, Jan uh, June 30th. and that
time of year restriction right now DMF is saying that we cannot do any work even behind a coffer dam during that time. So that is a conversation that we're currently having with DMF. We're going to see if there's some mitigation that we can put in place to maybe allow
us to continue working through that time of year restriction. We don't know if we're going to be able to get any leniency there, but that is something that we I mean obviously this the shorter amount of time that we are in the water, the better it is for the fish. So that's a discussion that we want to have with them. Definitely. >> So, so they're basically they're not
going to allow you to work inside your coffer dam in the meantime. >> Correct. But only during that springtime of year restriction. >> So, this is going to be an intermittent project. It >> it's going to have to be. And you know, I think Josh, I was speaking with Todd, he's the the lead um and the project manager for Beta on this project, and he
was saying, not only do we have time of year restrictions for the inwater portion, but there are also time of year restrictions for working on the gas man. And so there's a lot of other components that have other times of year restrictions that that all come into play with that construction duration.
>> I I understand I I do construction work and and uh we put in miles and miles of gas maybe in no time at all. And uh I'm hoping that's just a a scary guess.
Well, not just for inconvenience though because we're talking like construction activity. The the shorter the time span, the less disturbance in the long run. So, >> yeah, because things are going to compound. >> Yeah. Once that's once that whole can of
worms is open and and you'll have more problems with the environment >> as the longer it stays open. >> Absolutely. And the entire structure including the wing walls are all supported on uh
>> so all those piles need to be ham drilled in and there's uh the worry about that the vibration from that vibration from installing the coffer. Do >> you have test bearings from this? >> Is that >> Do you have test bearings? >> Yes. >> So are you going to encounter a ledge
when you put your sheathing in? >> Every Well, yes. Uh bedrock. >> So, every every pile will be either end bearing on bedrock or rock socketed into bedrock. >> Yeah. >> And there's a number of existing
concrete piles. >> How much penetration can you get? I'm I've just been, you know, maybe overstepping my bond is just I'm looking at a project that looks like
>> if if No, not necessarily. No, but what I'm just afraid it's going to drag on forever. >> We had a bridge had a bridge in Fort River that took three lifetimes to
build. I understand. And that's again that's why we're not looking to get this approved tonight. Uh it's an ongoing process. Yes, we had to get this approved through half a dozen agencies. So >> I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just trying to understand right understand
because this is just mindboggling actually. >> Yes. >> Go look go look at 44. That's been going on for three years. >> That's what I'm afraid of. >> All they're doing is riding in the road. and building a wall. So,
but I mean you you've got everybody here. You've got the fisheries, you've got Army Corps, you got the gas companies, the whole bit. I mean, you know, >> work with the fisheries, but I've worked with the Army Corps, coastal resources,
so forth. But >> Tyler, did you have more to the presentation? >> I did. Yeah, I was just going to talk about uh the impacts from construction. Um so we're proposing impacts to uh several resource areas because of the
location. Um so uh so because of the location obviously it's right along the coast there. Um so we're proposing impacts to coastal bank um rocky intertitle shore also referred to as land subject to title action land under ocean um land subject to coastal
storm flowage and riverfront area. Um the the site's also mapped as a diagonous fish run which is um what necessitated the um division of marine fisheries consultation um and it is mapped shellfish habitat. Um, I also wanted to note there's uh salt marsh uh
located to the southeast and the northwest. Um, we're not proposing any impacts to those. Um, we're proposing, you know, protections along either side. Um, and then the limits of the proposed rock fill um obviously are going to be limited to avoid any spill over to to
impact those. Um, so in general, the temporary impacts are associated with dewatering in order to complete the abundant replacement. Um and then the permanent impacts that we're uh proposing are almost entirely associated with the modified rock fill. Um even
though it's being proposed over existing rock fill it, it is technically a permanent impact. >> Are you going to require frack tanks and everything to basically for the deatering clean it up or you just going to allow them to >> So in ter in terms of dewatering the
copper dam, you mean? >> Yeah, copper dam. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um the >> a practice situation, right? >> Um so, yeah. So, the actual dewatering plan is going to be up to the contractor. Um so, they're going to need to submit um the dewatering plan for review and approval by MASDOT before
they actually begin construction. Um so, they're going to handle the specifics of that. >> And it looks like D wants to see the dewatering location. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um so uh in addition to those uh the site is located within Land Center to
coastal storm flowage. Um the the 100red-year flood plane uh extends I think it's about 6 ft over the roadway. Um and even the uh the 10-year flood elevation is actually right around the surface of Pleasant Street. So you know um there will impact land subject to
coastal storm flowage but there's no real way to to mitigate that or avoid that. Um and similarly uh riverfront area um you know the entire site is within riverfront area because of the location. So um you know the footprint of the project has been minimized as
much as possible just to minimize that. Um the coffer dams um they're being proposed obviously with the um space in the middle to allow water to keep flowing um any you know migrating fish. Um, so that'll reduce any impacts to
wildlife, um, as well as preventing downstream impacts to, uh, the Tonka River. >> Okay, you're all set. >> Um, yeah, I think the only thing I wanted to bring up was I did mention that the other other consultations are
ongoing. Um, during our review with the Army Corps, um, we uh, they did ask for some additional protections for the salt marsh. Um, so we're proposing a chain link fence just between the rock fill and the salt marsh on either side just to add a little extra barrier to protect
those. >> Will there be any relocation of shellfish in the immediate area or >> No. So So these areas where we're proposing work, like I said, it's all um it's all rock fil. So it's not it's not the actual sub for shellfish or anything like that.
>> What shellfish have you found in the area? >> Um, so I didn't find any. It's all it's mapped for um I think it's soft shell clam and and one other >> oysters crab
crab. >> It might just be soft sham. Oh, an American oyster. Yeah, that's the other one. Yep. >> Okay. But that is uh that is within the taunt river. Um that's one issue with the project is the taunt river is mapped for a lot of things you know the wild
scenic river um and it's immediately adjacent to the project. So that's just a concern with um you know secondary impacts downstream impacts that sort of thing. So >> okay >> any other questions for the board? Uh any
questions from the audience for now? uh uh they they will be returning uh I don't know when but uh whenever the army corps gets going on and and the rest >> we'll be continuing it to March 19th and
then we'll announce the next continuence. So that's how you can keep track. >> I just want to know where the traffic is going to be sent. >> Can you state your name for the record? >> Chris Wayne, 223 Money Golf Lane. I just want to make sure I want to know where the traffic's being diverted.
>> That's not a conservation matter, but you can contact the um board of swordsman's office and find out a little bit more next week or highway commissioner. >> Yeah, I would I would see traffic just you know it's going to go up Pleasant
Street. It's going to go up at then out to 138. Okay, we all set for today. Then we'll have we'll it uh is there a motion to continue to uh March 19? >> So moved. >> A second. >> Second.
>> Okay. All in favor? >> I Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Superintendent here. >> Yes, he is in the back. >> Yes.
See you in five years. >> Okay. Uh, next on the agenda is a notice of intent from Cow Bellow of Bell Farm States. Uh, zero milk street and zero council oath.
>> Good evening. David Kelly with CEC is here with us. Um, been before you a couple times since around Thanksgiving. Um, we had some few minor outstanding items. We finally have the sign off letter, but I believe the signoff letter from Won Samson that was uh dated
January 21st. Yeah, there were a couple items where they defer to the commission and we defer to to you as well. Um there are items that we talked about back when I was here in uh early January and I just wanted to kind of touch on to those and um see what the commission's
thoughts are and hopefully we can move forward with this project. >> Okay. Um >> Okay. I have a couple things here and uh you know it seems like that you know you have addressed just about every issue
that was sent to to u uh Weston and Samson and um uh one of the items that I have here is is uh number 12 uh which is working in the 25 foot no touch zone. Uh
you're looking for a waiver to do that. Is that my observation? >> That is correct. >> Okay. Um >> okay. Normally we're you know this is
something that we hold uh to be uh um against our ideas uh against you know the commission. Uh what we would like to see though is a uh a mitigation plan a separate mitigation
plan for that area that you're going to work in. And I I think number 14 also has uh a large area that you're going to be um working on. So, you know, we'd like to see, you know, something with
mitigation for those on those two. Um, uh, you also had some invasive species. How are you going to deal with the invasive species? And, you know, and if we can get that done, uh, hopefully soon, uh, we'll we'll be all set. But I
am Am I correct, Lisa? Those are the two real items of concern. uh 12 the the uh the 25 foot no touch and then you know uh some cleaning up of the property that's there evidently uh neighborhoods
the neighborhood kids or whatever um I you know I haven't seen this but uh uh evidently they've you know um went out there and did their thing uh you know so uh some some mitigation to
to get that get that done and uh and the invasive species uh how are you going to uh destroy that? >> So, it's items 12 and 14. >> Well, I just kind of lumped 12 and 14
together >> and then um the only other item um I had well two items was um we will need um a signed elicit discharge statement and then a nifty's permit. So, we need the nifty's permit and the swift provided to
us before the pre-construction meeting. >> Um, can I just talk through those couple things real quick? >> Yeah. >> It's very simple. The 25 wetland um disturbance is for the single wetland crossing. I think we're all aware of that. That's right. In order to cross a
resource area, we have to be within it. So, that's where we have the the span that we're going over the intermittent stream. So we're not impacting the actual resource area, but we do have to get close to it in order to build the >> the span, right? That is the only location on the entire property that we
are within 25 ft. It's just for the span. >> Okay. So the implementation of that span is >> and and uh do you have mitigation in the plan to cover all of that um um area
that you're going to disturb >> everything within the the limits of work right within the erosion control measures that are installed for construction all gets loaned and seated and replanted right there there's no undisturbed material left >> loaned and so we're talking about
transferring woody plants to seed mix. >> I mean, >> so we like to pro we like to provide the cover. In our bylaw, we have a requirement that um you can request a waiver for working in the 25 foot.
Doesn't mean we have to give it to you, but >> but if they're going under the crossing, Lisa, the the I mean, if you cross a wetland, you're going to be in the 20 mitigation. So, we want to know what that's going to be. I mean, we do have the
>> if if you wanted to put some sort of a a condition stipulation that we provide a uh >> No, I don't want a a condition that way. I'd like to see it on the plan. Like we've I've thought about it and spoke with Jim and that's my professional
opinion. Um and we've Megan and I have spoken about it too. We would rather see the planting plan provided to us at this stage, not later on. >> So, we do have the planting plan for the wetland replication area. >> Okay. >> Is this Are you asking for a separate
This is because this is new now. If you're asking for something separate, >> can you help with this? >> Yes. Can you guys hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. >> Can you guys hear? >> Yes. >> You guys can hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. Sorry. Thanks. Uh, yeah. So this
is in relation to the selective clearing over I think it's seven or eight acres um and providing some sort of mitigation for that clearing whether that's enhancement in the buffer zones plantings wildlife seed mix um in your
latest comment response um you indicated that um each lot will be coming back most likely to the commission and can be discussed um during future permitting. Um sort of my suggestion was the commission may wish
to require mitigation or plantings um of some sort whether that's additional plantings, cleaning up trash or debris on site. Um mitigation is obviously as you know a broad term um but some sort
of mitigation given the um extent of clearing within the buffer zone. >> It's around 8 acres you said right? So, are we now talking about two separate items? >> We're talking about number 14. >> Oh, yeah. When when James was talking to
a minute ago, he was talking about mitigation for the work within the 25 ft buffer. Now, we're talking about mitigation for in cleanup of the rest of the property, two separate items. So we right we we had talked about for the the the parcels that are going to be coming
back individually that we would um work with the commission to do some sort of restorative or you know mitigation type plantings on those parcels to to balance some of the clearing required for the roadway. We've also already talked about cleaning up the property and removing
invasives which is discussed in the um the wetland report. So this seems to be a bunch of things getting jumbled together and I just want to see, you know, so I see two things. >> We want to be clear of it. So yeah, it's So let's start with 12. Um 12 is the 25
foot no touch um mitigation that we're looking for. So >> this is the first time we're hearing this. >> This is the concept. So Weston and Samson did their review. They're leaving it up to the commission based on their bylaw. So this is when the commission
>> the first time we're hearing of that request. That's my point. We would have provided something this while ago had we known that this would be something that you >> Okay. Well, we don't do a written we personally the commission doesn't do a written response.
>> So we leave it to Weston and Samson, but um you know as you know Weston and Samson has left it up to the commission to respond to those items. Right. And we've we've requested conversation with the
commission on items from this letter and this is, you know, this is the first time the commission is now asking us to do something specific for that. Now, if we're looking for if you're asking for some sort of a mitigation in and around the crossing for the working 25 ft buffer, I don't think we're not we're
not unwilling to do such a thing, >> right? But to ask us now to modify the plans to come back again for that I think you know being this is the first time we're hearing about it I think is a you know >> well it's been in there all along. >> This is the first time you have asked us
to prepare some sort of mitigation for that and we've been in front of you several times. So that's that that's what I'm trying to see is there a way we can we can >> we do the best we can. We're all vol They're all volunteers and I'm only
part-time. No. >> So, >> when when you do your crossing, uh you already have mitigation for the crossing. So, this would just be an extra uh
>> what's the mitigation for the crossing? >> What? >> What's the mitigation? The replication, you mean? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But we're talking about the 25 foot no touch. >> Yeah. No, I I know. It somehow it is tied in uh tied in to the to the point
of of uh when they replicate they can they can uh uh do some mitigation for that 25 foot. >> Yeah. But we have to see it on a plan otherwise >> that's that's what that's what I'm after that's what we're after to see it on the plan what what you're going to do.
>> Take a lot to do a a planting. I mean, it's not like you have to modify the plans substantially. I I wouldn't think, >> you know, ju just an an addin where you have the mitigation and okay, let's
let's even tie in 14. Yeah, >> you have some invasives there. Um, you know, uh, you could probably tie it in a few paragraphs, all of that. what what you wish to do uh between
between uh 12 and 14 that the the removal of uh invasives and the trash removal has been discussed in documentation has been provided. >> Just vaguely though like we want to know are you going to have this be overseen
by an environmental monitor? What kind of invasives are you going to remove? How are you going to remove them? Are you going to use chemicals? You know, >> yeah, Agent Orange is out, unfortunately. >> Uh, Megan, do you have anything uh that
you should throw in on those, too? I think just for and I I wasn't at the previous meeting so I apologize if there were discussions that were had so catch up a little bit but for specifically comment 14 um it was really just um
providing some enhancement or mitigation as part of this project instead of future projects to ensure that um the area is being mitigated now. um as the impacts are taking place now. But
again, this leave up to the commission as it sounds like you guys have had conversations. So those are um that is my advice. >> Do any of the other commissioners have anything? >> No,
I do not. What is the condition? >> Um a condition that >> we receive a plan prior to >> prior to construction. Uh what else would we what else are we expecting?
>> Elicit discharge permit which usually comes prior to construction. >> Those are both standard anyway. So, can we insert it somewhere in there to >> how do we know it's going to be how to
know it's going to be acceptable though? >> Are you then asking that a mitigation plan, the invasive removal additional description then go back again to Wesson and Samson? >> No. >> Okay. >> No, that's not the way we're going to review. So, if that's going to be the
case, is there still a need for this to be a public form? That's kind of I think um we're trying to get through. Is this something that we can >> Well, yeah, because we would if if we close the hearing, we have to issue a permit within 21 days. >> But as part of that, if it is a condition, then that that puts the onus
on us to get you something, right? And then >> it would have to be acceptable otherwise we could deny it. I mean, we don't want to put you in a situation like that. Like, we'd rather just agree on it. I would think that's the only problem
in order conditions in the disturbance area. I mean, >> well, if you didn't like the what we wrote in the conditions, then you would have to go to superior court to to override the condition. >> Well, it's it's really putting
cleaning I mean like replacing pretty much what what was there. I'm sure you're not going to have us put some sort of special species that isn't familiar with the area from that cost a million dollars. Like I I I we understand what what would be
acceptable. You know, we >> but like we haven't seen anything. She's suggested it. This is phase F and all along we've asked she's kind of suggested it along the way but no one's provided it to us. Well, that's part of the reason why we came to the last bunch of meetings knowing we weren't going to
be able to close it out with President Samson is to see if the board had any comments towards any of the line items that she already explained would be on on the shoulders of the board. So, we tried to kind of work on those things. So, when Wes and Samson uh did their
part, come to this meeting and we were hoping to close close it out, we would have been we still are happy to provide anything you want. It's just that's I think that's the offset here a little bit is that we we we came to a few meetings knowing we weren't going to close it out to try to hash these things
out and it doesn't seem like a complicated thing. It's just >> it is the winter time but 30 days 30 days 30 days you know there's still a lot that has to happen before we possibly break ground and you know it's it's kind of a today's kind of a cru crucial day within that time frame. Um
um but again it it seems like a very basic thing to you know u leave the area as if it were before using the right materials and stuff like that. You know just don't we're crossing the area that we're crossing is is less than 3 ft. But
>> that could be pretty straightforward but then you have the mitigation for the buffer clearing is what we're ask also asking for. So 8 acres of buffer clearing. So we have to figure out what would be acceptable to the commission.
>> Is that 8 acres that's going to have to be restored? >> No. >> No. So >> how much of this how much of this is going to be disturbed? >> The 8 acres that she's mentioned is only a recommendation. It's it it's not in
any bylaw that we have to uh replicate anything in that area. It's not like a a replication, but we're not cutting through wetland. It's cheaper. >> We're constructing 26 house lots, >> right? So, you have to disturb land to construct a house lot, right? So, I
understand that. What I'm saying is this sounds like an additional disturbance because you're going into the wetlands. You're going to the 25T buffer. >> Well, that's for the crossing. >> But is that what we're talking about? So there's already some
>> there's already replication for going through the wetlands and now this is for mitigation for at the 25 >> no touch and we're providing you have an intermittent stream of of a width a few
feet we are spanning that right so from the 25 foot towards the resource area we're disturbing I don't know 10 something feet on either side and then we span in the middle right you have to crop you have to do some alteration So that's that's the only location on the entire 44 acres that were within 25
ft of of the resource area, >> right? So that could be pretty straightforward. But then what are you going to do about that? >> Lisa, >> the 8 acres is being cleared as part of the ability to construct house lots, right? I mean, >> but you said you would do planting on
the individual lots, but we want to know a little bit more because >> wouldn't you do a comprehensive plan for that, >> not just peace meal is not what we want >> because I think we're working in two different ways because we're not it's
not it's not that we're offering to do that. She she is bringing to the attention she's bringing the attention to the board that we're clearing that much land is maybe the board will want us to add some more plantings or to replicate some of it and stuff like that
but it's just it's just >> discussions with didn't want that >> if if if we were to issue an order of contition tonight and Lisa writes in whatever for mitigation purposes all of
No, no, no, no. I'm just let me just speak. >> I'm not going to propose it. >> Oh, no. And then all of a sudden you say, "Oh, no. That's in the wrong place. That's where we're going to build a house. We can't do it there. We We want you to do it so that it is out of the
areas out of the realm where you are going to work for houses." >> I I to I I totally understand that. And and you know, I mean, that way that way it it's much safer for you to do it to say this is where we're going to do it. This is where we're going to have
mitigation or this is where we're going to have restoration and because we're going to have our houses over here and and and it's not going to interfere. >> Yeah. Or so I mean you do you realize what we're after? I >> I get that. But
>> Okay. So, if you could do that and then uh and get it to us within I don't know a week, we could we would all get copies of it and would be ready to go. I mean, I'm >> I know I've said this in the past, you
know, I'd like to close this and and and issue a a uh an order of conditions. >> It's the, >> you know, it's still winter time. I I I I understand you're you're you're looking at spring.
>> Well, yeah. Not only that, too. Going I'm not pushing back, but just voicing opinion on on the 8 acres of clearance and stuff. We we're also talking about an old gravel pit disturbed area. All of the land is in 100 year old oaks and you
know, and repl a a plan >> at this stage versus lot by lot. >> But it is a zone too. >> Yeah. So it's a lot of protection zone. You know, you're talking drinking water right there. >> But I'm sure there's a lot of a lot of
acreage of the 8 acres that is just we're going to beautiful >> already. >> Yeah. It's just not invaded not invaded species and stuff like that. >> Megan, were you going to say something? >> Yeah. Just to clarify, the 8 acres that
you're clearing are in the 100 foot buffer zone which is in the jurisdiction of the commission to look at potential enhancement. It's not clearing for everything. That amount is the 100 foot buffer zone which is jurisdiction of the commission. Just want to make that
clear. >> Yeah. >> Um Dave or Jack, do you have any questions? No, I mean like you say it's uh we're not if we make it up and tell them they got to put a house there and
there's a problem. Then it's going to stir things up and then we're going to get blamed for it because they can't put the house. >> Yeah, we can't design it for you. I'm not going to specify plants and then you say that too expensive. You know what I mean? It's >> okay. This is why we want you to do it
and then we can say fine. Uh uh you know we can deal with that because uh you know you have enough space you have uh um you know so there's a couple things that mitigation and and how you going to
deal with the invasives and uh uh and those two items really shouldn't be all that difficult for you to work with. and then for us to to uh approve for next meeting, you know, and and if we get it
in early, you get it in early enough, you know, if there's something that we see, we can go back to you for for a slight revision or whatever it is. Be like I say, uh I I'm ready to clear the board on this the table on this.
>> Yeah, I'm sick of carrying the box around. Oh, I guess we'll have to accept that. >> Yeah. Um, so >> I mean, we expect that it will be acceptable and we can close it the next meeting. That's I mean, we're not going to
>> I've been I thought we'd have it done by now, but uh we're down to two things right now, too. >> Yeah, >> agree. So, but that's that's kind of why we came a couple months ago was to try and get this stuff on the table so that when we got to today, when we had the letter,
>> they're not that organized. you know, we don't we don't really we've got a lot going on. I'm just being honest with you. >> We will address those three items and get them back to you as ASAP and >> Okay. >> very good. Very good. So, we'll continue
within and uh hopefully close it for what is 19th of March. Do you unless you guys want to add in on the meeting if I >> Well, we're going he's going to have to get it done. It's not going to take him long to do this, but we're going to have
to uh you know share what what it comes in. >> I'm not sleeping tonight. I'm going to hand deliver to you tomorrow morning time. >> I didn't say town hall. I can figure out addresses. I 1, two, three, four, five copies. Talk tomorrow.
Get it done before we leave. >> I have my computer with me. >> Um, >> okay. Okay. Uh, do we have a motion to >> anyone's here? Is anyone here with any questions? >> Anyone in the audience have any questions? I >> think so.
>> Okay. Do we have a motion to continue to March 19? So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Okay.
Um not next on the agenda is a notice of intent from John Paul Rossi of Zenica and that has there is a request by them to continue to our 319 meeting. Is there
a motion to accept that to to continue? Motion made. >> Okay. All in favor? Okay. Uh, next we have a notice of intent uh, application from Tyler Gu, 553 Center Street. Um,
>> D file 0170527. >> Okay. You're >> Yes. Ed Watson with represent the applicant. Um, we are just waiting Samson's review. So >> Okay. So, you are awaiting the review and um >> request a continuence and I don't know
if you want to hear I'm also on last on the agenda. I don't know if you want to take that out of order. >> Yeah, be taken out of order. >> We're going to continue. Okay. Is there a motion to continue Tyler Guill 319?
>> Second. >> All in favor? Okay. Um, let's see. Wait a minute. >> Um, okay. We only got one more in between in between. >> That's fine.
>> Um, okay. Okay. Well, we still got three here. So, let's let's open up uh the notice of attack application from Tom Ranley at uh 2158 Water Street. Okay. Thank you.
I'll do it in front. >> OKAY. How does this map differ from the previous one? Uh I see that uh your your building is within the no within the uh no touch zone. uh buildings uh any
structures is supposed to be 50 ft from the wetlands. >> So I'm going to introduce myself. My name is Rammy. I work for John Duza. North County Group. John was not able to make it today for a family emergency. He has >> I I a little bit louder, please.
>> I work for John Duza from North County Group. >> Yeah. >> John was not able to attend tonight's hearing. He had a family commitment. So I'm here to open and present the project. Listen to any comments that the board has. So the project we have is the
construction of the slashworkshop at 2158. This project has been presented the zoning board for zoning. >> Okay. Well, this is this is conservation
not zoning. So, uh, the property is a high shape property with a very limited area. Mr. Razley owned a property going back to the late '7s. This house in this
lot was built in the mid50s and uh, it's a single family house. It's always been a single family house. The entire area has been a disturbed area where we are proposing. The garage is currently a grass area. That is a
disturbed area. Mr. Rley wants to build a a garage with a slash workshop and uh we understand is within the 50ft buffer zone. But on this property, it's a very small lot.
There's no other space on the property to put this garage that Mr. Ramsley wants to build. >> What? >> Okay. When we uh visited the site, uh you already have two
structures on the site uh roughly in in the same place where your building is. Um, with those structures removed as we were told they were going to be, uh, there
would be ample space to move the structure 50 ft from the wetlands. >> Um, excuse me. Uh there is also space up on the southerntherly side of the house which uh um I don't know if you would
consider it the sideyard uh on the opposite side of the house that would also suffice to be 50 ft away from the wetlands. Um and as part of our discussion that we
had uh with Mr. Rinsley and and there was another individual there that uh uh um we want to see the garage 50 ft away. We want to see stakes in the ground uh
showing where the corner of the building is going to be so that we know that it's 50 ft away. And uh we would also uh I mean that area is um um
quite congested and uh uh you know it looks you know on paper it looks very nice that uh that you are x number of feet away from your neighbor's property but uh we you know we can look at it on
the paper but but we're hoping that it really is on the applicant's land and not on the neighbor's land. So, uh I mean I know that's not that's really not conservation area uh our jurisdiction,
but certainly the 50-foot jurisdiction is and we would uh uh like to see that building pulled away from the wetlands. We want to see states in the ground where the the four corners of the
building is going to be and so noted that it's 50 feet away, not uh 25 or 27 whatever it is. >> Shannon and I visited the site um last month and that was uh one of the things
we requested from the owner. Um the other thing I just wanted to bring to your attention was You have the hay socks, but um you mean straw waddles? >> Yes, straw. >> Okay. Um in this case, it's relatively
flat, so I think that would be acceptable if the commission would be okay with that um for this project, but we typically shy away from those. Um but yeah, I think in this case, cuz it's relatively flat, it'll be fine. And then we usually require
the placards. So, we're going to need to figure out where you're going to put the placards. We usually put them at the 25 foot no touch. If it's in the middle of the lawn, I would not um >> it wouldn't require it there, but uh
>> Right. >> But I I think we have to deal with can that uh garage be built where it is right there. Our our uh bylaw says 50 ft. >> Right. He's 27.
>> We don't deviate on it. >> Uh, and it does appear as though you can pull it up either in the same position, pull it up so it's 50 ft or put it on the south side of the on the south side
of the house. Um, uh, which would suffice and be 50 ft away. Well, so far with the conservation, but not with zoning. We have to go back to zoning cuz it would not meet the setback either. >> The red line is the building setback
line. >> Oh, yep. >> The red line is 50 25 ft, right? >> No, the red line is the zoning setback. The ZBA the ZBA requires that building set back from the property lines. >> Oh, okay. Be 55 ft. >> Can you reduce the size of it? the
garage. We can't. Right now it's 24 by 30. We can't reduce it. >> Can't. >> We can. Yes, >> we can. >> We can make it to a single car garage. >> And uh uh we would like to see it, you
know, pulled up out of beyond the oh to the 50 foot no touch zone. I mean 50 foot >> no build >> uh no build zone that we have and staked so that we can uh uh see it on site
where the states are. >> Okay. Now, I don't know if that would require removing those uh other structures first or or or at least putting in a couple of those states uh to show where where it's going to be at
least from the wetlands because one one side of the wetland appears it appears as though you're beyond the 50 foot. It's just that that that well almost like half the building is in the 50ft zone. I mean, the only region that's
outside the 50 foot zone is the souththeastern part of the property. >> Where the where the driveway is, >> right? >> Well, isn't that where where your driveway is? Isn't that where you want a garage? >> Just we would have to go to zoning and
uh >> Well, not if it's outside of their um of their red line marker. We'll be basically blocking the house and we'll be right we'll be right up against the house. >> You only get 15 ft in the corner.
>> So, and that's that's tight. That's 25 foot. But what I'm saying is that that that if you're talking about a onecar garage, just by pulling it up uh uh 10 ft where
it is now, pulling it up 10 ft and then making it shorter, that would probably bring them out of the uh 50ft zone. >> No, it wouldn't bring them out of the 50 foot >> 50ft zone goes right through the house. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I Okay. All right. Oh, I see. Okay. I see what you're saying.
>> You're talking 25T zone. We at least want to get out of the 25 foot. And if you have to be in the 50 foot and I would say that at least we would want some >> I think if you slid it up towards the house just a little bit cuz it's only it's only a little bit of a corner
that's >> could you could you live with somewhere around eight or 10 ft from the house? Did that work? I don't know if there's concern with the property owner. >> Yeah. The other thing to consider is this. You'd be shifting it towards the
riverfront area. >> Yeah, that's >> But you can use up to 10% of your riverfront area. So, >> yeah, it's in a 200 foot, but um >> it's pre-existing house built before 96. >> Yeah. >> You know,
>> I don't think he's got much choice, man. >> I know. So I guess you know um just >> I don't have a scale. I don't know how it doesn't appear to be very much in uh the 25.
>> So this is going to be a temporary structure. >> No permanent. >> Oh okay. Where's the shipping container going to be relocated to? >> Where would you consider moving >> the shipping container to be relocated? >> I haven't fought any of this. I haven't got any plans because I haven't got any
answers that said I could do anything. It's been almost a year. >> I don't. >> It hasn't been a year through us. >> Well, there's more than you involved. >> Yeah. >> I just want everybody to realize it's not >> two twocar garage is not a big thing
because you got two cars. >> It's just a funky lot. >> Well, the house was built before you guys even existed in this stuff. >> Yeah. >> No, I understand. like a pizza. >> Yeah. >> So, um
>> I don't have a choice. >> I guess we'd want to also know where the shipping container is going to be relocated to if it's going to be relocated on the lot. See the note above it? >> Yeah. we can in the revised plan, we can
communicate if we can change. >> And then um if if you if you read our bylaw under the 25 ft no to serve um you can see um that we offer you some options.
Okay? So read through that and then if you want you and I can do a call, you can talk it over with the owner and we can discuss, you know, what we're going to do to make this acceptable for the commission.
>> As far as I think, okay, where are we at? We we're dealing with uh uh a smaller garage moving up a bit. Uh then we're talking about the other side of the house to the to the uh south side of
the house uh closer to the street. Uh where are we at right now? We've had all these uh on the table. Um is that guidance or is that more confusion that what what you might be
able to do? >> I would like more clarification. >> Okay. section seven of our setbacks. So um 20 So section 7 BC a 25 minimum minimum undisturbed vegetated buffazone
will be required to protect latife. Um and then um see we do allow for Oh, let me ask real quick. Does this follow the natural heritage at all? Any rare species?
>> Okay, good. >> Is this going to be a gravel floor or a cement floor? >> Cement. What is this looking? So what's >> And then um >> B is no dwelling or structure shall be
built less than 50 ft from the outer edge of the wetland. I know. That's what I >> But I'm looking to see if there's any exceptions on here. Have you gone through the bylaw? >> Yeah. Were there exceptions in the bylaw?
>> Not that I can see, but >> I feel like there is, but um >> Oh, yeah. Burden approved waiver. The commission may wave a performance standard set by the bylaw. The request the person requesting the performance standard shall have a burden of
demonstrating a clear and convincing evidence that there is no reasonable condition or alternative that would allow the proposed activity to proceed in compliance with the bylaw. Avoidance minimization and mitigation have been employed to the maximum extent practical.
This is in burden of proof section 11. So um and the proposed work including all mitigation measures and the na natural and consequential cumulative effects of the work will have no significant
adverse effects on the bylaw wetland wetland values. >> So um you have no rare species which is great. >> Okay. Uh, sure. >> So, I think what we're looking at though,
>> okay, it it certainly it appears as though there there's going to be a uh a tough time here because here's your 50, >> right? >> Here's your 25, >> right? >> No way are we going to let it in the 25
because that's going to be uh >> I think he can slide it up just a little bit. Mark it on here. This shed's going to be >> Yeah. Well, it says to be relocated. I don't know where it's going to be relocated to. On-site relocation or
elsewhere. >> Bill's trying to show >> he's going to rent rent rent a spot on the boatyard. >> Bill's trying to show you. >> Um >> I think Yeah, I think so, too. Because this is
here >> that can probably go up another >> 25 ft. And then would you be willing to do any native plantings around the edge of your property? >> Yeah, definitely you can do some shrubs.
>> Easy enough to plant some shrubs. >> Some pollinate I mean maybe some evergreens, some eyeex or some berry or >> you know berry would be good. You like bay berry too. Yeah, this
collection >> raspberry blackberry moving this up between these go one one car garage. So if that was the case it would be up to here like this
should be should be sh >> um >> what I can see. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, this is when when Luc and I went to the site, we we suggested this. Um, okay.
You said something about a onecar garage. Um, is the car going to go from Well, it's going to go in this way. So, how much land do you how much space do you need here? You're going to have two bay or
one or two bays on this. Can you see where I'm pointing? Yes. >> You're going to have one or two bays here. >> And then the cards are going to go in this way. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh but now you got it 30 ft. >> Yes.
>> Do you need 30 ft for a garage? >> It's probably probably uh 20 25. >> We're going to do the garage and a workshop. That's why we did 30 ft. >> Okay. >> Gives it more room in the back to put a
tool bench. Uh, no, no, that that's uh um but if you were to pull it up to here and >> I think they have a set back from the house is supposed to be now. >> Is there a zoning set back from the
house? You have to stay with the garage. >> I can look at the zoning right >> cuz right now it shows 15 ft. Uh act actually and that you're still >> both 15 rear rear yard setback 15. >> No, it's from building to building is
what I'm looking >> sideyard set back. >> Well, um that way you're still getting the fullsize garage that that you're looking for. Lisa, did you see what I did here? I
don't I I pulled the the whole garage up. I'm going I'm going to say 15 ft. I don't I don't have the measurements on it. >> Towards the house >> towards the house. >> I know, but what I'm saying is there's a right now there's an arrow that shows 15 ft from the garage to the house. And I
guess uh Ramy needs to figure out if that's um acceptable for the zoning. Um and then we we do want to know the exact surface um of that driveway. Would you be interested in doing any permeable instead of pavement? Why why would uh
why wouldn't uh x number of feet be acceptable? Houses are >> I don't know. >> Houses are they have breezeways in between. They have garages underneath houses. I don't know. There's uh uh it seems like that would be a a good
solution >> if it's Yeah. I mean, can you >> and that gives you a full full size garage and uh uh that you're looking for with workbench. >> Yeah. >> And then figure out the plaque locations
if they need to be along the property line. That's fine. >> Lock it in like signs for >> Yeah. We do these um 4x4. They're a dollar a piece. We pay that for it and then you buy them from us. And you put them every 30 feet. So, I mean, you probably need like six or three.
Actually, I don't know. You have to figure out how many >> that's on the 25 foot. >> Yeah. I mean, I would want to take away from his yard cuz we essentially want you to put them where there's going to be no disturbance again to remind, you
know, future generations. This is an area that we leave. Yeah. Did you see? Well, a little bit like what Dave had done. Jack, did you see what I did there? >> How does it Does that look acceptable to you?
>> I I you know, the property the property is tight, >> but we're looking at that 25 as golden. >> Get the corner out of there by sliding it up, but you know, gives him what he wants for square footage. Yeah,
you know, and I I know it's a tough I mean, hey, you're you're you're all in the repairarian zone from the river. I mean, there's it's it's a tough area to work with. >> Uh
what what do you say to that? Uh >> but we we would map showing this so that uh Lisa, you saw what I did here. you >> I can picture it on here. Yeah, I know. >> I just moved the whole building up uh almost equal well actually a little bit
beyond the corner of the house. Uh but there is probably I'm going to say 10 ft anyway between the stairs on the house and and that's only an estimate of the stairs. Uh you know the distance uh because I don't have a measure
>> but we we would still need some sort of mitigation for working in the 50ft no for putting a structure in the 50 foot no build. >> Yeah. >> Just because that would set precedent for next next applications. I mean, we're not trying to pick on you.
>> Okay. Is there uh Okay, we're going to send it back to you then to to give us another map with this drawn as we have it here so that we have a an
official copy of what is being proposed. If you want, you can call me next week or set up a time and we could go we could talk about it so that we can get it right and >> you could just have it, you know, all set for the next meeting. >> So be March 19th.
>> March 19th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. This >> Okay. Um, we're all set for now. Okay. Um, do we have a motion to continue? So
>> all in favor it is a tough lock down. Either that or we say no, they can't do anything. That's the other option. >> And because it's, you know, Okay. So, so I guess
Okay. This is going to be Hunter's Hill RDA. Uh, Bay Way. Do you have a blueberry way? What else do we have? Blackberry, strawberry. >> Oh, this big berry. It was uh
be called >> Miranda, I think. >> Miranda. Okay. >> Back a little bit. >> Yep. >> So, the new guys wanted to change it for Miranda. >> Okay. The two that brothers cousins casting
Getty Wayandas chestnut way is excuse me there too. >> Oh Evan, did you get the message from legal payment? I texted >> it's long gone.
>> I'll email it to you. >> It's long gone. used to and not uh you never you didn't sell it to these guys. >> Uh >> I see >> I don't know >> but it's it's it's already changed.
>> We ready to go? >> I'm ready to go. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Evan Watson Wengineering representing the applicant. Um, basically what we're looking to do, we're moving into the next phase of construction. Um, this is on the very
north side of Hunter Hill. So, I don't know if you guys have been out there lately, but the community center would be down here and the main open >> is Have you started building that yet? >> The community center is up. The pool is in. The uh pool apron is in. And I think
they got frozen out into uh before they could get the pickle ball courts in. So, >> okay. >> Indoor outdoor pool >> outside. >> But it's uh it's nice. It's an ingground pool. And um I they haven't when I was last there. They weren't done fitting
out the the inside yet, but it's uh it's pretty nice building. Everybody's excited to start using it uh when spring comes. Um, so right now this is Hunter Hill Drive and it's paved all the way to the end.
So the next thing to do is start working on Bayberry Drive which comes down this way and then goes all the way down uh to the south where it connects back with the main loop. So, what we're asking um in our proposal
or request for determination is um as they come in here, there's some tree clearing that needs to be done to open up these lots and some staging areas for the roadway. So, while we had the tree clear there, we wanted to open up these lots here. Um while he was on site, uh
these all these lots here are within the 100 foot buffer zone. And obviously before we do any earth work or buildings or the houses, we'd have to file a notice of >> I'm looking is that a green line that uh >> yeah, sorry that the the the ink was low on my printer, so it came out kind of it
was supposed to be yellow, but it's kind of green. >> Uh so this line here >> Yeah. >> is the 100 foot and then >> we're looking to clear along here. >> Um so it basically be >> So the red line is what? 50. The red
line's the 50 and the purple line is the 25T no touch. >> Okay. All right. >> So all the work is outside the no touch. The majority is outside the 50. >> Oh, I see. Okay.
>> All right. Um, >> basically they want us to do it because that's when the land clearing company is going to be there and >> Okay. All right. Uh, wait. So, this um >> Okay. So, you got uh six lots or seven
lots. >> Seven. Eight lots. >> Well, okay. You're probably not counting that one last. This one has a little bit of buffer zone intact. >> Okay. So, where are they going to are cut? >> Right here where the erosion control is where I show I see. Okay.
>> This uh kind of waffly line is the the new tree line here. >> Okay. So, you will be in the 50 a little bit, >> but that's that's uh but still outside of the 25 >> certainly. Um,
>> and the idea would to be come in, cut the trees, install the erosion control, and then pull out the stumps and just leave everything the way it's at. >> Okay. All right. So, now for uh some of these properties, you may I use the word may have to come back like these here if
you if you >> Absolutely. Planning to do that. >> Yeah. Up here, you probably won't won't uh need you won't be seeing us at all. >> Yeah. So, probably for these two, we might get uh away with not needing a file. >> Well, the lots are big enough you you
probably put the houses way up front. >> The houses, see these lots, they're uh narrow, but they're deep cuz the house is about 75 ft in total depth. They're only about um 30 ft wide. They're like 30 by 70 when you include the decks and
everything else on them. >> So, and then we're going to set them back maybe 40t from the road. So, you know, the house ends up sitting here like this. Okay. >> Cuz I want it. >> Yeah. Yeah. The they're ranches and some
have a loft, but >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A lot of these here you probably won't even uh here you got 100 ft to deal with here. Here you have maybe 80. >> Yeah, definitely these uh first four I
think we have some kind >> Well, yeah. And but this one here might not. >> You don't know. You got uh Well, probably not. But three anyway, you would have I I see you coming back. Well, maybe four. I don't know. Certainly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh Evan, what about the posts in the
placards? >> So, that wasn't proposed at this time. It would be on the um notice of intent filing or the RDA filing for each individual lot. Um because what happens is we plan on a composite house. We
basically take whatever their largest house is and figure out how it would fit on the land and then the customer comes in and then chooses the lot uh the actual house. >> So this this entire area from
uh this is this is all forested all this right here. >> Yes. >> Okay. So now so what does that come to how many >> and it was cleared previously. So these are small like saplings, no seedlings or >> that area may or may not have been. I
know this area definitely was. Um now keep in mind this is um a conservation subdivision. So normally if we had um nine lots along here and we had regular zoning, there'd be an opportunity to
leave um trees and things in between along the lot lines. But being a conservation uh project, we're allowed to have the lots very very narrow in lie of keeping all the open space and trees contiguous in the open space. So, >> and what's the square footage on the
houses? >> Well, they're less than 30 by 70. So, I don't know less than that probably like 2600. >> 2600 square ft. >> 30 by 70. >> 30 by 70 is 21. >> That's a big house.
Well, I don't know exact I >> I don't know what the square footage is. >> Well, that's 2100 square f feet. >> Okay. So, it's less than 2100 then. Okay. Um and then that includes the garage also. >> Oh, all right. Okay. Well, the garage
could be uh 5600. >> And then some of them, like I said, might have a loft uh on one side or not. >> Okay. It's an option. >> Yes. We've been seeing it advertised on television. >> Okay. Yeah, me too. >> I don't know what the square footage is.
So, >> okay. >> I'm thinking of they do a lot of other uh single family homes and that's the size that 26 number. So, >> okay. >> Just a second guys. I got to look for
the cheat sheet to tell you which uh determination So, you know, probably a negative. Let me uh just find it for you. >> Okay. Um what we have then is uh
are you all set with any questions, Lisa? No. Okay. Um anybody here got questions? Okay. We're going to be looking for I guess a negative uh determination
and that would uh you know they can go ahead and do their cutting. Um you know probably as soon as it's cut if if you're going to be next to some backland those those plackets so that uh
other workmen will be monitoring because some of these tree cutters uh don't know how to read maps and and they >> No, careful. >> This is going to I said some Jack >> right here. Right here. >> This this line will be staked in the
fields by a survey crew uh with flags or stakes >> and then once the trees get cut the um erosion control sub will come in and install that right at the edge of clearing. >> Okay. >> So that that will give the workers they
all know you don't go on the other side of the control. And then when the houses get built, that's when we'll s because you know, for example, this one, we would put the placards out here at the 50. >> Okay. Maybe out here at the 25 if that one's a little closer.
>> Okay. Well, that at that time, yeah, it would be in the order of conditions. >> Yes, it'll be on the plan. I've been putting them on the plan, the exact locations to put them. >> Okay. >> Um, so what were you asking for in the RDA exactly? Do you remember? Um, I was
asking to cut trees and No, >> no, >> that's not Hold on one second. >> I think I can use my copy. >> Section C, whether the activities depicted on the plan is subject to the Wetlands Protection Act. So yes, it is.
But whether the whether it um is subject to the local bylaw, yes it is. Um, but I think you also wanted to know um, so we'd say a negative determination
with conditions that the that the uh, lots are going to come before the commission for the house lots. >> Yep. >> Or you could say before any earth disturbing activities within The buffer
zone would require a separate file. >> Okay. You I see you writing. I'm not disturbing. >> I was I was waiting for you. two chestnut trees every must be planted. >> So it would be a negative um
>> a negative determinate. Okay. So we're looking for a negative determinations with with um >> um is it a condition or >> ag3? Okay. But then there's going to be this
condition that before any earth disturbance in the buffer zone um notice of intent will be filed, >> right? >> Or a a filing with the commission would be filed because sometime we might do
>> RDA. >> Yeah, we might do an RDA or you know if we're just three feet within it or something, you know, not need a notice. Go ahead. >> Okay. Uh so we're looking for a uh a negative determination with number
three. So listed on our bylaw >> um negative3 and um >> also under the bylaw. So um so -6 so -3 and -6 >> what numbers three and what
>> three and six >> three and six okay a negative termination uh but alluding to numbers three and six of our bylaw And then um with the exception that um
before any earth disturbance in the buffer zone, the applicant will file the um appropriate application. >> Okay, that's all right. Is there a motion?
>> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? All right. Okay. >> Got all that. >> I was going to make the motion. >> Okay. >> Are you going to be a new associate member?
>> No. >> No. Okay. Good. >> Jefferson Street. Huh? >> Yeah. It's in um Delano's office upstairs. It's >> lighthouse wind surveying. bought it and
he rents me a space upstairs, but he's since sold lighthouse to GM2. So, but they're still there. So, but I'm still in the the upstairs office up there. So, come on back. I'm I'm usually there.
Okay. Um, certificate of compliance for Ronald Olivera. >> They're not ready. They haven't installed the placards yet. Hopefully they don't sell it because they're going to have to wait till the next meeting.
>> Okay. Uh enforcement artist. >> Okay. Why don't you just give us >> Why don't we take it out? >> Yeah. I was just going to say we have Mr. Guinness here and uh
>> Guinness I am Irish but >> Sean Callahan. I'm a wee bit Irish. So, uh, I, uh, saw you all in, um, November. >> But just to remind you, I am a, uh, professional soil scientist and a wetland biologist, and I've been, uh, brought in because, um,
>> the enforcement order at 1060 Main Street. There was some disturbance in the wetlands, and, uh, the owners are, you know, just didn't realize where the wetlands were. They've since been delineated. So, uh, I know that we, uh, we did jump right on top of it and we're
>> we're very pleased up to this time that he stopped everything. He he met with us and and he's doing the right thing. >> Excellent. Good to hear. Um so what we're here tonight to do is uh you requested a restoration plan and then at
the last meeting we also um wanted to see and got your uh okay to also propose um a perimeter fence. And what this is is um so uh the owners have since retired and
they do have um existing farms over in Ireland. Um but they are actually looking to retire and uh you know have a gentleman's farm you know like a family farm here. So it's not a commercial uh thing that we're talking about. It's just for you know family enjoyment. Um
so what we are going to you know present to you guys tonight is the restoration plan for the disturbance in the northeast corner of the property and then also um to install the perimeter fence around the property so they can be really in earnest begin agricultural
activities. And that's uh this fence is a cornerstone really to the development of of the agricultural uses at the property both to keep deer out of their future crops and also to uh prevent predators from attacking the livestock that they they plan to have on site. >> Get some donkeys.
>> What's that? >> Get some donkeys. >> Donkeys. They are loud and helpful. Yes. Absolutely. >> So they keep the uh coyotes in all the way. >> Absolutely. Um so you know this um this property does have a history an agricultural history and the owners are
looking to continue that. Um so uh as as I said you know um to keep that tradition going and and do some crops and some livestock. So uh we did talk about uh last time the work that we did and and we talked about that. Um so since then uh we completed
the delineation the wetland delineation. So, it provided that map for you guys so everyone's got the lines on there and knows where all the areas are. Um, >> can I just ask when was it completed? Was it completed in the winter? >> Yes. So, pre um pre- snow.
>> Okay. >> Yeah, absolutely. So, we were out there um I was out there in um let's see. So, October was when you guys came out and then we got that done in November. >> Okay. So you looked at a lot of soils because there is some wood bridge in
there. >> Yes. So absolutely I Swiss cheese the place. So definitely um so so we basically what we have out here just to kind of you know what I saw was um there is like a restrictive layer at about you know 8 10 in kind of throughout and
that's why the water just hangs there. You know what I mean? And that's why you're getting your um your wetland soils and and some of your wetland >> vegetation. That is loaded with clay. >> Yeah. pan too. >> Yeah, >> I'm sorry. Hot pan. Okay. Yeah.
>> Yep. Um, so that's what I saw out there. Um, you know, so it's just it's basically restricting the water flow from from infiltrating and and has it kind of hang out there. Um, you know, I did a a functions and values assessment of the wetlands. They aren't really what you would consider high value wetlands
because really that restrictive layer is just keeping it there and then it kind of, you know, infiltrates slowly. Um so really the principal function and it was kind of borderline anyway um for that um particularly in the northeast where the disturbance occurred um would be
nutrient removal retention and transformation that area may receive some uh storm water flows from the um fields the adjacent fields. Um so what we uh what we would like to do is I've provided the restoration plan which
includes um you know uh the planting plan and uh and I I'll just kind of go through that now. So before we would do any work we would have erosion and sedimentation controls installed around all the perimeters of the work areas. Uh we were thinking probably silt socks or
geocsynthetic the reusable waddles because we did hear from you that you're not your preference is not straw waddles. So we look for uh for some alternatives to that. Uh we did look at silk fence. However, installing that is going to be more impactful and uh so we
we we steer clear from from that as a as an ENS control. So uh we are going to we're looking to restore this northeastern corner and this restored condition is going to be very much improved from the wetlands that were there uh previously and are
there presently. So uh really what we're boosting here is wildlife habitat value. So that's going to be the principal function once we're done with this plan and once it's in place. So, previously you had, you know, red maple trees, you had multifllora rows and some silky dog
wood for shrubs and then kind of sparse uh wetland orbaceous vegetation. So, what we're uh proposing is to uh add 10 additional um tree and shrub species to uh really boost that biodiversity in this area. So, if you uh take a look at
the planting table, each of the species gives you notes on why it was selected. And you know, many of the benefits uh you're going to see wildlife cover, uh food sources for birds, small mammals, insects, and a whole host of of fauna.
>> I'm sorry, we don't have a planting table. >> That was one of my biggest questions. >> That's on it. You don't have >> We have like the plan, but we don't have the table. >> You're missing. Are you missing a sheet?
>> I think so. Cuz I I was looking at the quantities. Yeah, I don't have that. >> Oh, I got cut off. >> That's odd. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, I can certainly provide you with
>> Yeah. And if you had the whole sheet, >> you would see all this great stuff. Um, oh man, >> you guys didn't see it in the one that I forwarded to you, right? >> It's so odd. Did it just print? That is so weird cuz I printed them out, too. Huh. Well, we can. I mean, we obviously
we've got it prepared. I I could get that to you. >> I'm not going to do it like this month and probably not even until the end of next month. >> There's no planting this month. I was I went out there today. Thank god I had my snow pants on. I was I mean it is it's the the snow is thick right now. >> Um h well I wish you had the benefit of
looking at the plant table. Well, let me just walk you through it generally. >> Um while I got the floor here um >> so you're looking at um you know every single native plant species there uh provides wildlife cover, food sources
for birds, small mammals, insects. >> Can you tell us what they are? I know you listed two in the narrative. >> My glasses. Um, you printed out kind of small. >> I have some. >> No, no, that's okay. All right. So, we've got balsom fur.
>> Yeah. >> And we've got So, and we've got um boxelder. >> Nice. >> And black gum for our tree species. >> Right. Um, as far as our shrubs, we're looking at speckled alder, service berry, silky dogwood, which was already
there. Um, red oer dogwood. >> I like dogwood. It's great. >> Me, too. Me, too. Um, common spice bush, common juniper, high bush, blueberry, and nanny berry. So, you can see it's a it's a really like a wide range of food
sources and throughout different seasons. like it it's it's a very uh intentional planting plant for sure, >> right? >> Um so what we're looking to do is you know this was this was had like I said you know just some a little bit of invasives and some trees and it's mostly
forested. So what we're proposing here is to plant an ecotone. You know that nice transition zone which is like an undulating edge that goes from the neighboring fields. Then you have your transition zone the ecoone that leads into the the forest. So really you know
that um once you've established that it's it's really valuable valuable habitat increasing you know food sources opportunities for cover and breeding that aren't there right now. Okay. Um, so in that wet wetland restoration area, we're looking to um,
you know, do a top soil dressing and then seeded and planted with the native vegetation. And with that, we're going to have grasses, sedges, shrubs, herbaceous plants, and trees. So really, you know, the whole gamut. >> Can we stop there for one? Sure. >> The top soil, where's that coming from?
Don, >> I'm not I have we haven't talked about sources just yet, but if you have a preference, we are all ears for sure. I think anything from the site. >> What's that? >> Take it from the site or neighboring site. I, you know, to be
honest with you, I worry about invasives a lot. You know, >> not Yeah. I don't want anything brought in because it could be not. >> I am with you. >> And on site is cheaper. >> Yeah. >> Get lunch. >> So, or if you can get some like um
organic mix that they can guarantee you there's no invasives in it. >> Okay. By the way, I'm I'm Joe Gorsette from Martin Group and I've done Nefini's environmental work for for almost a decade and a half and whenever they have an environmental study, a speestous, a
tank, something like this, our firm comes in and and Sean and I have worked together for 20 years. >> He's also the president. >> He's also the president of the Connecticut Wetlands Association. He's a little bit he's a little modest about >> that's why you're a soil scientist, >> you know. So,
you know, so >> Right. Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Um so that so that's not a problem. That's certainly we we have similar goals there for sure. >> In the lower level there's a lot of those roots those those trees have been knocked over which will be sending up shoots anyway if I'm not mistaken.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I mean to be honest with you I know disturbance within a wetland is not preferable but a little bit of a disturbance can actually do some benefit. If you bring in good species and you and you do it right. it can you're actually going to come out with a product that's better than what was there before.
>> Um >> I'll hold my comments in so that you >> That's okay. It's a discussion. That's what I'm here to talk. So, um, so, uh, you know, we we're, so for seating, we're looking at like the New England wet mix or conservation wildlife mix, just like you guys had had suggested and
already has been applied to the site, which is actually a good thing because we got that down pre frost and a lot of those species in the seed mix require that overwintering so they can really pop in the spring. So, we already got out ahead of it and and it's it's a nice um, you know, kind of jump start for uh,
for this year's plantings. Um, so we we are also looking at New England wetland plants for sourcing our shrubs and trees or comparable, but those guys are are really good good source. So >> I would say the woody material I've been
seeing coming out of there is really measly and not really doing too good this p past year. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So there are other places we could talk about. I'm not supposed to recommend places, but I will say that like the seed mix, I always go there, but the
woody material hasn't been good. Like, I'm literally talking like they've got like two foot little, you know, bear root twigs lately. So, >> all right. >> You want something potted, right? >> What's that? >> You're going to try to do something potted.
>> Yeah. I mean, depending upon the size. I mean, it could be We don't have a ton of like ball and burlap because I I don't like to go too too big. No, this container. >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. >> Um, so then once we plant and seed, we're looking at weedfree straw. That's
important again not to prevent invasives. Uh, retain moisture, allow for the soil stabilization once you get all the good stuff in. Um, and all this will be coordinated and overseen by a wetland scientist to be sure that it's done properly. So um you know although
we invasives aren't this isn't wrought with invasives we're going to look at this as an opportunity to remove any invasives in the area that we can uh multifllorse and some oriental bittersweet is what is mostly um probably what we're going to encounter in the work areas. Um and we're talking
about manual removal of this. We're not talking about spraying because that I just I mean if it was a bad thick then we could talk about that but that's not what we're talking about here. So, we're keeping that out of it. Um, so after planting is complete, we're looking to
uh do a monitoring program for a period of 2 years uh overseen by wetland scientists as well. During the monitoring period, any invasives that we see will be manually removed. And then our the goal for coverage is an 80% vegetative cover. And um we'll be sure
that that's realized and maintained out there. If it's not getting there, then additional seating may be uh within that two years uh may be needed. So that is the restoration side of it. And then on uh on the second page, you'll see a um the proposal for uh the
agricultural um perimeter decks around the property. And what we're looking at here is um the like approximately 1 to 10 feet from the stone walls because it's it's basically all encomp uh surrounded by stone walls except the entrance right on the right on the
roadway. Um so we're we're providing that range because we want to be able to have the freedom to um move around trees and and disturb as little as possible. There was also some rock out there. So, we just want to kind of have a little bit of be able to to be the least
impactful with our uh fence line. Um, >> so the removal of rocks. So, can you just >> Yes. >> Yep. >> I don't know that we really want them for habitat, >> right? Look, can you I'm I'm like two sentences away from that. Actually, I'm
getting there. >> All right. Cuz I wanted to tell you about the fence. Um, so the fence is they've got um it's 8 in wooden posts and they're 12 ft long. They're going to be buried 4 feet in the ground, which means it's 8 ft above ground and that's necessary. 8 foot is minimum to keep
deer out. It's just it's just what what they need. They can get crazy high with their jumps. Um, and it's wired deer fencing, so you you know, it's not like a a solid fence. That's not what we're talking about here. Um the posts are going to be uh spaced 15 ft apart and
then um let's see. Oh, no buried skirt because I know that's always a concern, you know, so you're not looking at other excavation. It's just the posts that that we're looking at. And um I know folks are always worried about wildlife movement and fences. So um it is that
open square deer fencing and that's not going to interrupt wildlife movement like amphibians, small mammals, things like that. they'll be able to continue to access the wetland areas even after the fence is installed. Um to do the fence, we're proposing a wetland mat system which is either
wooden or plastic and that uh helps to prevent impacts to the wetland areas. So this is you know recognized by Mass E and and Army Corps as a zero impact construction method because you lay them down, you work on them, you stay on the mats, you don't go off the mats and then
>> I'm not going to walk through that. Um, so then, um, let's see. So, the work area from the, um, for the fence is, uh, we're talking like a 10 to 18 foot swath, something like that. And again, I'm giving you a range because we're hoping to avoid, you know, trees and rocks and stuff like that there. Um, and
all the movement will be within that swath, so we're not going to be, you know, going outside of that. We anticipate a, uh, a mini excavator with augur to drill the holes for each post. Any rocks encountered, Lisa, will be uh removed and stockpiled and brought to an
upland area and will not be um and will be outside of the wetlands. Uh any area disturbance under the mats will reveate with a native seed mix if needed. Um if any trees um need to be uh removed in that swath, um we're actually
proposing to replace it with a native alternative. What we're looking out that at there right now is like a white oak monoculture for most of the site. Um so what we wanted to do is give um you know a couple alternatives that are actually going to be better increase
biodiversity. So we were um thinking about like a black willow or an American hazelnut something like that. Again we're talking boosting uh wildlife habitat food sources and uh biodiversity. And uh the majority of the trees that we're talking about in this are like
less than 2 inch DBH. So we're not talking about big huge mature trees. We're not going to be cutting anything big. And that again why we give them the swath so we can work around any maybe larger ones. Um so you know if we did need to remove any of those smaller trees, um the natives that we plant are
going to more than offset that. Um and and we don't anticipate negative impacts to the on-site wetlands. Um, so we did some calcs and it wi with all of the posts, um, it's 127 square feet of disturbance. So we're proposing some
mitigation. Um, it's like a creation enhancement area of 252 ft and it's along the eastern property boundary. It's uh, it's right next to the um, restored area that we're going to be doing. Um, so that's going to be planted
with native shrubs and seeded with the uh aforementioned seed mixes. So that's a mitigation ratio of 2:1 for the uh for the the impacts from the posts. And uh overall, I just wanted to, you know, just reinforce that this is really a
needed um you know, we we don't take lightly this uh this proposal. It's it's not a nice to have. It's a needed thing for these guys to be able to operate their agricultural uh uses at the property. So that's why we're we're here and overall uh the fence is not going to negatively impact functions and values
of these wetlands. Um so that's my spiel. Uh I wanted to see I mean I'm sorry that that for some reason that didn't come through. Um >> it did it was in the email for whatever reason it didn't print on. Sorry. >> All right. Well, it'll give you a much
complete picture if you if you look at the whole thing. Um, >> yeah, exactly. >> So, uh, so yes, we'd, uh, we'd love to hear, um, if you have any questions or if we can clarify anything for you or >> Yeah. Um, so I have a question right up front. 15,000 square ft of disturbance,
but you're proposing 36 trees and shrubs. >> Let's see what we got. >> My calculation for that is hund a few hundred. >> Okay. So, one of the things that we want
to do is not completely jam this area because we're going to have that fence there. So, we're trying not we're trying to actually be able to keep a keep a small corridor for walking, not equipment after the fence is already in so we can do maintenance and stuff like
that. >> Um, so that's but we did feel that um, you know, basically what we're looking to do is is kind of along the edge, you know, create that eco tone. It's that undulating edge along the forest is really what we're going for. >> One of the challenges going to be it's
so rocky that >> you're going to have a lot of you could have might have a refusal from time to time and have to move a post for a little bit. The other, you know, that's why we're using the excavator with the arms. We can stay on the mat, reach in and and find a find a good spot to put the post, you know.
>> Yeah. I'm just talking about, you know, replace I mean we're not going to replace a one one for the 15,000 square feet with 36 trees and shrubs. >> Okay. So, >> you know, I mean, that number would require I mean, in my experience, a few
hundred plants, >> but because it's agricultural, I can see that you wouldn't want to plant as much. Um, so I just kind of wanted to just talk that through. And then there's a fence viewers committee in town >> and they actually
like there's a permit you have to pull for a fence. >> Okay. >> I think it's the assessor's office. >> Assessor's office. >> And that's Nancy Gul. >> But then again, this is agriculture so it's it No. So it should be
>> I don't know. Yeah, I'm just passing word on. >> I hear you. No, I hear you. >> And then, you know, deer brows. So, it's successful for the two years. We don't expect you to like put individual fences around them or anything. Some people go crazy,
>> but like garlic sticks work. Have you ever tried those? >> I don't I have never personally done, but but if the fence is in, I think that's going to >> fence. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You don't think it's going to get the You don't think it's going to keep the deer out? >> I don't know. I mean it's
>> what 8 foot. >> Yeah. >> I would hope 8 ft. I They go >> better. >> They go over my 4 foot fence. So I got a vinyl for >> like that. Right. >> It doesn't exist that. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> I'm I'm about I'm about five houses up
from your your property on on Main Street. And the deer, let me tell you, they they they can jump. >> Oh, yeah. >> They can. But 8 ft. You should. Yeah, I would think. I think that's going to get >> Is that going in before you do the planting? >> Yes. >> So, you're going to do the planting in the fall,
>> realistically, I think. >> Yeah. Well, we could talk about timing, of course. Um, the thing with the fence is these guys are are ready to bring in animals and start planting crops this year. So, the fence is crucial. And that like like you said, it's going to go in
first. Um, and then we're going to go do the restoration stuff cuz you can't restore first. then we're going to be mucking that, you know, going right over that. So, it's a put in the fence and then work your way. >> Yeah. I'm glad you seated it. >> Yes. >> You know, like you said, because you don't want you'd have a I mean, we
probably have a lot of runoff there right now. >> Um, thank goodness she put the erosion controls in. You probably want to have some extra on hand for when you install the fence. >> Sure. But um it's pretty much exempt from D
because it falls under agriculture. Is that correct? >> Yeah, this is one of those um um exempted agricultural uses. >> So, do we want them to file an RDA under the local bylaw or notice of intent
under the local bylaw for the fence? I would say an RGA and and uh >> because unfortunately our bylaw doesn't have any exemptions for agriculture at this time. >> Um >> that was one of the things we really should have
>> but they if they do an RDA we can just you know I mean uh he's giving us plenty of information and uh uh >> there's no fee. >> Okay. Uh you do have to notify the abutters. >> Okay.
>> And uh get in a butters list, certified abutters list from the town. >> Okay. >> Oh, the woodchucks up there. >> The wood chuck the woodchucks. >> Woodchucks. >> Haven't seen one yet, but I was kind of I was late in I was late in the season for those guys. They were already
underground. So they I believe it. Yeah. I haven't seen them myself, but I believe it. >> They They eat a lot, too. They do. They do. >> But these guys are are farmers, so that's one of those common farmer things. You figure it out, right?
>> Yeah. Okay. Um, >> yeah. So, >> I think that was an excellent report that that uh just given to us. >> You better see them to the motor. >> Oh, I love it.
>> Yeah. I don't know if they want to get involved with that. Oh, cool. Yeah, take a picture of it right now. >> That's Bristol Eggy. >> Yeah, >> they having that. >> It's like a local farm. >> Yeah.
>> Form or dinner? >> Nice. Thank you. >> Yeah. No, they might be in some. >> Absolutely. >> I could forward the email, too. Um, but yeah, I think um, you know, if you could get that RDA into us, what's our next
deadline? I'll have to look. Our next meeting's March 19th. And I think if you get everything into us by the 4th, the RDA. >> Okay. >> Um, and we get that on the agenda. There is
a legal notice that costs somewhere around a hundred bucks. Yeah, we have the plan already. So, it's really not going to be a big >> Yeah. And we can just, you know, deal with it. Uh it it'll be expedited uh quite well, I think.
>> Yeah. >> I think it's more just for the abutters too under the local bylaw. Yeah. >> Perfect. >> Okay. >> And if you want, you know, we can just include Do we want to include the restoration as
part of the RDA? or just have it be a separate item. >> Well, I mean we we can accept the restoration plan separately. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> So, this will be on the agenda again under the enforcement section
>> to accept your restoration plan. >> Okay. >> And then um >> and once we see like all the plants in the ground and that's when we'll lift the enforcement order. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> A certificate of compliance essentially. >> Yeah. for it.
>> Yeah, it's not really clogged that, but yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, just to be clear for the RDA, you would you'd like me to break out because right now I have them combined. You'd like me to break out for the RDA only do the fence um portion.
>> Okay. >> And any impacts that go with the fence? >> Got it. >> And then, you know, erosion controls. Yeah. So, what you'd be requesting is a negative determination. >> Which is a positive thing.
>> I know, right? >> Yeah. That's a good thing. A negative determination is good. >> Yeah. >> It sounds good. >> It's positive would mean that you have to >> I'm only as good as my last project with these guys. So, thank you.
Well, it was nice meeting you guys. >> Thank you so much. >> The effort you put into this. >> All right. Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. >> I'll be in touch. >> Take care. >> Uh uh anything uh Louis Street?
>> Oh. Uh yes. They um they sold that property. >> Yes. I knew that. >> Well, it's up to the gentleman. >> And what's up with them? >> They sold the property.
>> Oh. >> All right. Um but however, um there's a concept plan that's came in to the planning board for an additional house lot and it showed the house within 100 ft of the vernal pool. So, um, planning board,
well, Carrie, uh, forward that to me and told them they need to contact me. So, I'm waiting for the engineer to contact me. >> Be fun. >> It was in the 50 foot no build, too. So, >> and and all those permits were given out
by >> Yes. >> building department gave them the permits to do everything on the house. Yeah. Even though we put it on hold. So, I don't know. >> Hot street. >> I thought he'd be here tonight, but he's
not. He did come to see me and asked me to send him an email about what he needed. So, I forwarded again his order. That's he that I'm recorded on his deed. Anyway, um I forwarded that to him.
Um hopefully we can get somewhere with them this spring. Um, okay. Maple Swamp, new one. >> Um, yeah. So, I did rece I I issued a notice of violation to them. Um,
>> how far is this now? We're starting at the elbow uh um of Maple Street. >> It's just past the power line on the Rahobit side. >> Rhovit side. >> It's the the um
No, that's the um casket place. >> Oh, that you did. Uh >> okay. We we went by there and we never we never saw anything. >> We didn't drive in. So, what we did what I did in the letter was request a site visit and the owner is coming from
Brainree. He's going to he already emailed me and we're trying to set it up for next week. >> Good. >> I would like to see it without the snow though. He wasn't familiar as to whether or not there was any. He's kind of a hands-off person that owns this
business, but doesn't really know if they've done anything additional work in the in the wetland. >> Well, you may get your wish because it may rain Monday. >> Yep. >> You know, rain Oh, rain snow Monday. Uh rain Friday,
>> my professional uh >> Yeah, but the chances are quite variable. 30%, 40%. >> Okay. Um, anything else? Uh, Lisa, other business? >> Yeah, well, the minutes were not um completed. Um, however, Kendra gave
birth to a beautiful baby girl um >> awesome. >> Last night. >> Yeah. So, um healthy. >> So, that's exciting. I know. Congratulations to Kendra. And then, um so we'll expect the minutes
for next month. Give her more time. >> Okay. Um Jim signed bills. Um they've really just been limited to the 53G bills. >> There hasn't been anything else. >> Um surfed red line version of the conservation subdivision bylaw. Did
anyone get a chance to look over Paul's knockups? >> I have. >> When when did he send those out? I've seen >> I've seen something about it. It wasn't really recent. >> No, it wasn't recent. But they meaning
seren and planning want to wrap up any they're trying to modify that and they want all comments submitted. So Paul asked that you guys look at that those comments. I have copies here. >> Okay.
How long ago was that? >> Multiple times now. Um >> last week most recently. So, um, so redlinined it and then Paul's
comments are in the side. >> Gee, this looks like one of my English papers I submitted years ago. >> Me, too. Yes. Can we get back read this and get back to you next month on this? >> Um,
yeah. I think that would be great if you guys could just so we can get this off the agenda. If you guys could look at it. >> I never got this. It's from >> Yeah, you did. We even had the surf rep come to the meeting, remember? >> Yeah. We're actually
>> Okay. Is it >> Okay. Well, I'll let you guys tell Carrie that you need another month. >> I don't have a problem doing that. >> Jim and Jim and Dave, you you're authorized. >> Okay. >> Okay. March 19th.
I'll keep it on for them and then we'll be done. >> Okay. Um, you saw the budget because we voted on that a couple months ago and then that we we had our meeting with R on the budget and um I well you heard what I
said to him about the school department. >> So what did he do? Double it? >> No. Uh return of funds from uh a previous calendar year. So, so I said we need more money. >> And he said,
>> well, really, I mean, uh, for us to run the budget that we're having, >> peanuts. >> Okay. Okay. Are we all set then for um for today's agenda? >> So, okay. Um
I think then what we need is a motion to adjourn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. Shut us down.