are we doing this okay i'd like to call the Dy and Conservation Commission uh meeting Open would everyone rise please for the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all if everybody could sign in please there's a yellow sheet coming around this this uh meeting uh opened at
roughly 6 p.m uh the meeting is video and audio recorded for cable broadcast and internet posting on www.dyonmass uh.gov and YouTube okay first item on the agenda is to review discuss act it's a continued
hearing a notice of intent from Holly Groder of 1325 Rebecca uh road map 13 lot 113 for a septic repair how we doing good evening good how are
you a couple of plans if you guys want yeah just give me a second i'll pass them out to you okay any changes oh okay I can open it up right here oh we
got it here okay good evening my name is Brad Fitzgerald from SFG Engineering 28 Main Street in Lakeville we're the project engineers this project's for a septic system repair uh the existing septic system is
located behind the house it's a very busy backyard with a deck and a pool and a shed um so but the system is in failure so we're proposing a new system um we're going to put in a 1500gallon two compartment monolithic septic tank
followed by a 1,000galon monolithic pump chamber which will pump up to the leeching area which you can see is in the uh northeast corner of the property um I'm sorry southeast corner um we chose this area because a that's
where the perk was done and b because of the high water table there was no room to fit it out front between you got a gas service and a water service and if you go in that northwest corner by the time you raise the system for the water table and you do your grading you're either going to be grading over the
property line or onto the house so there's just physically not enough room to fit this system up there so we we put it as far from with the BBW as we could um beyond the BBW is the um segregate
river and we're proposing prior to start of construction that an erosion control barrier go in down the south south southern line south property line and then norly up to the north property line uh that'll stay in place until all all
the work is done it's been graded lomemed and seated and the grass is taken okay other than that there's uh Do any of you guys have uh any questions i do um when I was out
there a few weeks ago I did walk that line a little bit it just looks like flag um six the wetland flag I think needs to come up a bit nothing that's going to hold anything up but just delineation looks like it's off
a little bit um so we just want to adjust it well you could write that in the order of conditions correct yeah I would just like it on the plan accurately as much as possible but I think you know six was
pretty much like this so like instead of here it was more like here so just basically connect five to here and put six in between yeah okay
okay lisa uh okay yeah um but this would be this would require uh signs too on wetland conservation signs yes and signs are proposed on the plant yeah okay all right
believe we proposed three anybody here have any more questions anyone in the audience have any questions we did have two of these were both presented as a Yes
but I don't remember the fact here i had spoken with Mrs bruce before the meeting and her concern as she states in her letter is that she's worried that this system would have an impact on her future system and I told her there's no
possible way because we have setbacks off our own property lines we have to hold and she has setbacks off hers so the minimum that these systems could be nearest each other is 20 ft apart so that I told her there's no way that we would impact her system well on one side
you have nothing because that's where the wetlands are and then you have the house and uh a driveway and uh probably another 50t anyway of of property so so you're talking well over 100 ft well I
don't I don't know where she would put a system but but the the key is with 10 foot setback minimum setbacks that's 20 ft right there that the system so they won't touch each other they won't come near each other yeah so as I
told this it wouldn't be allowed where it is anyway so now we're trying to rectify the septic system and repair them so this is a good thing obviously um the only other thing I have is that we want
the 25 foot restored and we discussed it with the owner so I will condition it as such but do you know how many trees we have no um there's well there's one right in
the middle of the proposed system there's a couple others up near the deck three clusters probably three cluster of three that was right close to the system yeah so that one right near the deck and the one right in the middle of the system too this one over there
we did get a letter from the border house um I know we we would like to see their reviews done before we finish our review so um did anyone want to read it for the record
um what what are they uh proposing that we hold this up it's just Oh no they're not proposing that we hold it up it's just their letter i think we should read it for Okay um a review on the proposed septic plan for 1325 Rebecca Road has
been completed uh proposed is a repair of an existing failed system that services a three-bedroom dwelling on a single 19,100 ft square foot lot the lot has significant constraints primarily being uh significantly within the 100
foot wetland buffer the front of the lot is not able to fit the proposed septic due to size and other constraints including the existing water service utilities and driveway the engineer has requested local uh upgrade approvals and
variances related to uh distances of the tank pump chamber and SAS to the bordering vegetated wetland and river additionally a uh a sleeve and analysis was performed in place of a perk test due to high groundwater uh the system is
proposed within the maximum feasible compliance for a repair uh all property line setbacks are met or exceeded with the entire system is contained on the lot in which it serves the system is a
pumped system to meet uh groundwater separation and will be elevated approximately 3 ft uh with grading is outlined with contours in the proposed plan a poly barrier is also proposed around the SAS to ensure breakout
compliance is maintained the board of health has no issues regarding the proposed plan and requested local upgrade approvals and variances conservation Commission approval will be required prior to issuance of a disposal
works permit thank you um the other thing I guess I would say is if watering necessary i would just like to see that done as far away from the river and the wetland as possible i believe there's a note on there that
says that right and then I just want to reiterate that but then um if any I would if it's all done in one day if there's a pile it just not sit there for more than a day or two okay that seems
to be the places where we have the the deatering in the piles of soil and also access so in this case how are they going to access the subject system
i don't know that long hoses no i mean how are they going to access to build it my guess is they will probably through their neighbors no I don't think that'll happen and I think they're probably going to have to lose
that shed on the kind of northeast of the pool and come in that way we took the shed down oh you did okay okay oh thank you good so around the around the north side of the deck and then into the into the system area
okay okay i don't have any more concern are we uh ready for a motion just want to let you know that um And you I'm her mom i'm one of the property okay i just want to let you know that
conservation doesn't sign off on the completion of it until the site is completely stabilized meaning like you know vegetation is growing and all that so well it's a good time of year though it's going to grow quick now yeah and luckily
but I did speak with I believe it was your son and he was in agreement to put some posts and placards and leave a no touch against the wetland as a buffer zone to restore that again i do have question so he can contact me and I'll
have the orders ready within 21 days but hopefully Abel you have a question i just had one question there there's no need for dewatering anything there is there because everything's above the water table well the there's a remove and replace down to four feet to get to
the sand so that depending what time when they do it what time of year there could be some water okay okay okay do we have a motion to accept the project and issue an order of conditions
so moved i'll second okay dave made the motion able seconded all in favor i okay thank you very much thank you you're welcome thank you Lisa okay
right next on the agenda is to review discuss act on a continued hearing it's a notice of intent application by Ronald Olivera to upgrade a subsurface sewer disposal system with associated grading at 10:30 Oak Street map 6 lot
27 file number 17-519 All right um Greg Drake from Outback Engineering uh representing Ron Alivera the applicant um at the last meeting we reviewed the plan and the commission asked for a couple of changes and one of
them was to change the erosion control from silt fencing from silk fencing to a silt sock which we did and then the other change was to put signs on the 25 foot no touch so we have four signs that have been pushed back
okay otherwise everything was If I'm not mistaken you didn't have a file number then either we didn't have a file number either so that was the real reason why it was continued uh because of Oh yeah because you couldn't close the hand correct that's right okay we also were dealing with some restoration there and
Abel and I have been to the site a couple times i don't know do you have anything ael went today so we I have some things yeah uh a few things the It's pretty much It hasn't changed a whole lot since we've
been there uh I I saw your silk sock uh that was put there it's been ripped open and there's some holes through it i hope they're going to do something to repair that okay i'm Yeah that's something that you guys have been working with the owner and we haven't been involved in that
aspect so but I'll let him know that you need He needs to fix that yeah it's not in place uh there's still quite a bit of debris on almost all sides you know that needs I think he was waiting for this to get the final vein go in one time and do
everything i think that's his plan and he's going to remove that uh slab that's out there for the foundation yep i think so we can condition it um that that needs to be removed and restored i think you
know there's a lot of issues with that whole buffer zone but there's uh there's a fair amount of work to be done there other than that I I'm all set okay uh anyone else have any uh questions here
anyone in the audience have questions okay let's uh bring it to a vote uh a motion to uh accept and issue an order of conditions yeah I would uh I would Okay
uh I would vote on that okay uh Abel uh make such a motion to issue an order of conditions for the project is there a second second all in favor am I um are they picking it up jim you didn't
ask if anybody I did oh you did okay sorry i think have them pick it up okay because Yeah why don't we do that and then we can tell them it's ready and they come and get it i'll contact Ron Ron or Anna who's also involved you know
great um okay next on the agenda is a review discuss act on a on a continued hearing it's a notice of intent application by call of Bell Farms Estates LLC at zero Milk Street and Zero
Council Oakway uh map 17 lots 109 135 and 208 for the construction of a 26 lot subdivision with associated roadway and infrastructure uh Belfates okay a portion of the work falls within the jurisdiction of the
wetland resources okay um Lisa I know you have an update on what happened there uh yeah so they did they did um request a continuence and they provided a check this week so I've not I've authorized
Weston and Samson to proceed with the peer review which is phase B um and they requested the continuence to our next meeting which is May 15th yep is there a motion to continue the
hearing to May 15 so moved second okay all in favor i Okay uh review act and and discuss on a new hearing a request for determination of applicability uh this application
came comes in from Gregory Olsen at 1136 Main Street map 6 lot map 16 lot 8 to construct a 40x60 farm storage building along uh with filling and grading
hi Mr hello how are you how you doing greg Olsen 1136 Main Street uh like Mr digits that I propose on a 40 by60 farm building okay yeah we um I just want to give the guys a little
time well uh we did see some of it uh last meeting and uh what you had I can if you want i think that would be good uh I'd like to construct a 40x60 farm storage building
requiring appropriate grading and the addition of approximately 3T of fill material needed to level the building footprint uh large trees in the building proximity will be removed three new American chestnut trees will be planted on the site away from the building but
uh lumen seating will occur on the northern and eastern slopes and as far as the farm ditch on the northern property I spoke with uh Superintendent Tom Ferry and he recommended we use either 8 inch minus or 10inch minus uh rip wrap to keep erosion so that's what
I'm going to provide in the in the ditch and along the the northern side as far as the erosion control uh waddle I've just shown where I was going to put it and I know I spoke with Lisa about what kind you want it's got to be installed through the entire
project after the lumen seed is done we can remove it that's pretty much it it was a So I I guess I just have a couple questions so the area where you are going to grow there that's where I was going to put
the 8 in minus or the 10 in and that's what Tom said was the best oh I would say five feet tall and then we put it down the bottom of the ditch probably another three feet so probably eight total okay for a length of probably what kind of slope are you
talking because if you're talking like five feet like this just No no no no it's not a a vertical slope no no no that'll be the building needs to approve that if that was the case but that's even better so if anybody
wants visualizing that Tommy's on Tommy's on Yes yes mr olsson was able to move the proposed building out of the no building zone the 50 ft right correct
that being said there's all those changes that's what you wanted yes that's what I made notation don't stick right through it just stick the bottom below to hold okay catch it from the Okay okay and that stays in place throughout the
entire operation just to keep it from rolling no I don't uh I didn't catch you you said the the rip wrap was going to be how wide again i would say at the widest point 3T 3 ft because the existing ditch
is approximately 3 ft from the property line so I was going to do the entire entire ditch and it sounded like you were going to use like a number 25 which is like they say 6 to 12 yeah yeah 8 inch minus or 10 inch minus depending on where you get it
okay any other questions i think that'll be fine when do you propose starting the work as soon as possible the building's on order so I need to get the site leveled then okay any questions for the audience
okay is uh there a motion for a negative determination so it'll be that would mean that you don't have to do anymore with us okay uh well the erosion control well but you can still put that on the
on the negative determination all right so um so it be a negative three okay all right okay is there a motion for a negative three determination so moved is
there a second i'll second any further discussion on it anyone from the audience again okay let's vote uh uh all in favor i I Okay you you uh you you you said American
chestnut that you were going to plant i I believe you spoke with my mother and yes you'll be getting me some you You're supposed to be getting me those chestnut okay well I can't remember who's right there you go okay i was going to say call Lisa uh well okay
do I I have your number you at the garden club then that's correct okay uh 100 are now up 100 trees have sprout nuts have sprouted and I'm hoping I get about 200 um 50 so I'm hoping that I get
200 that sprout out of all of that if I get 200 uh everybody who wants them in town will get them perfect but some some are this big already some are are small and some haven't even sprouted i was up there a
couple days ago at the greenhouse looking okay signing off of the building permit next week just so you know as soon as you have the I do not i'll order that tomorrow as soon as the You want me to notify you I will do that thank you very
much are you going to put any fabric underneath that rip wrap you want like the Well I I I don't know if you need it uh just asking if you are filtered fabric to hold in the um soil cuz if you don't put the rock tight
enough you'll need a little fabric under there we could do that we can put some fabric okay that's not a problem thank you thank you very much okay the next on the agenda is to review discuss act on a new hearing it's a
notice of intent application by Frank Lango to construct a driveway to access a single uh residential home along with a point source discharge from a storm water basin at Zero Horton Street map 10 lots uh lot
28 um no file number as of yet consultant is not here you're here yes all right that's good copies of the plan for the guys i don't
believe I do in the future we like the larger ones you know three of those you does uh you got one one of the old ones all right wait can you look on with uh
over here with Jack okay we're good you were all this right is that the same one 10:30 yeah yeah it was all This is all free didn't it i've already done that one
jim this is um Did you check to see if you did um last I checked we didn't yeah so I have a couple of questions how will the basis discharge so we need to make sure
that there's some sort of maintenance to them ronald sorry about that no I believe included okay Lisa um what this is um notice of intent here or we have a
notice of we intent from Yeah okay now the map okay that's that's we got Oak Street on this map we've already approved that Jim that's not So we got the wrong map then got the
wrong map this is this is that's want to keep track of all my files okay all right that's why I was comparing it to this one that's just bring it closer for the guys to see please
unless you have a copy i don't okay okay zero Horton okay zero this is uh this is the map map 10 lot 29 okay uh we're about on Horton is this we got the we've
had about 50 Horton streets with uh houses without numbers uh to the north Mr buffington North oh on the other side of the street towards the high school yeah on the same side as as No opposite sides
so it's Okay all right okay i'm there uh you all set as far as location yeah I'm okay yeah um Will Connelly Zenith Consulting Engineers so the existing site is uh
completely wooded with a small wetland to the north um we're proposing a driveway which will be accessing a single family home um the the home and all the utilities associated with it will be outside the buffer
um but the work within the buffer will include a driveway um a culvert which will discharge toward the wetland um and a swale which will capture water along the driveway um we're providing a construction entrance
as well as a silt sock for erosion control um we're also providing some conservation signs along the 25 foot no touch um and yeah I think that's about it if there's any questions I'd be happy to
answer them so it's really only the driveway that is going to to uh be within 100 foot correct okay you're not going through the wetlands at all though are you nope okay the driveway into the wetland the
wetland is contiguous to BBW across the street and it's providing source discharge so so but he's making a basin to control any runoff so it's like a sediment for bay before the culvert um just to
control the water and then discharge it so did you see any comments from D on them yet right sometimes they provide comments ahead of time but I guess my question the driveway looks really big
and um impervious so is there any way to make part of it impervious i mean except impervious um that could be something we could discuss with the client um or we could narrow it but just
given the length of it um we wanted to give it some extra width for emergency access how long is the driveway um I believe it's around like 300 feet or so well you're going to have to put up with the fire department with that did you get approval from the fire
department yet um not yet might not be able to cut it down oh do we have an approval from the fire department with if I remember correctly yeah I believe I said I don't know exactly okay we don't
have a file number so it would have to we can't close the hearing so that means you got time to clear it with them and and if if you had to make some changes uh um I see that you do you do have a turnaround
okay yeah but because you do have a a turnaround there it appears so u but you know have it approved to them as well and uh Oh yeah this is what we're talking couple hundred feet
yeah so I think they want the 20 foot wide because of that yeah well that's they do have a file number but um we would like the fire department that if it's going to change we want we don't want you to have to come back and
do this whole thing over no we need something in writing from the fire department um but I think what is the what is the number on here file number oh okay
oh 521 okay well I'm just a little unclear to me about about that ditch okay now do you say that was going to be impervious or it's going to be solid it's paved it's all paved paved okay and
what is the worst yes so that would give a lot of runoff so we did the hydrocad analysis on all of this to make sure that the runoff isn't um okay septic is right in the front of the house you might know what's in the
what's what's in the back hey what's this what is this that's a system i don't know looks like Is that a CEK system in the front it's not labeled yeah those are roof drains for the roof and the
width of this driveway is 20 20 ft okay this is This is the detention or retention area okay for one side yeah that's just giving some storage volume just so um all that runoff coming down doesn't flood into the street this is on
both this bay on two lots that's a little complicated to um so isn't that outside the 100 foot well part of it let me see
so providing discharge so that's why I think we do on the second okay so if you just pitch the driveway a little bit to one you wouldn't have a great deal of runoff almost a 20 foot
and that 300 ft yeah okay so you want to say that louder yeah this is almost we got uh 142 to uh uh 62 so that's it's a it's a 20 foot climb yep so what we're
doing is we're providing a swale with checks and that'll provide some detention to keep that from for running off yes permanent checks along the driveway and that'll be allowed by the culbert into
the floor um yeah either stone or um specify exactly what those are going to be for us so I think they're a foot and a half tall every 40 yeah they're shown on there i think there's a detail sheet
um so it can either be stone or I think we're showing there like concrete curving it's a wet so it's not Is it Is this the uh or is that the
detention basin no that's the swale that's a swale going on the side of the driveway yeah and it's one of three houses the check oh this is the check dam right here okay so the check dam so each one of those will hold some volume
slow it down slow it down and we did the analysis on it to make sure that Run off isn't greater in posts now is that entire driveway leaning towards this yeah 2% pitch the side and 20 ft t
it's a lot of pavement though uh you're still going to have in 20 feet you're still going to have some runoff on the uh the actual driveway even with the 2% health
i believe this is being reviewed by the board of health too for storm water okay we did have to comply with those i I don't think it'll be a whole lot but so I think from a conservation perspective we would like to see um to make sure
that the fire department is good with the length and the width yeah proper turn and then we need to see the board of health approval and then we would need to see
an issue thank you um thanks so it basically says the responsible party um and then the maintenance so
um it goes through chamber fields water quality swale um so I think the the swale was what you were kind of concerned about um so It says they'll inspect it after the first few months after construction
who's they the responsible party that would be uh Frank Wongo in this case the owner yep um basically saying that there's no railing um vegetation is adequate um then
inspect it twice a year for slope integrity u vegetative health soil stability um and then just that they have to mow it and make sure that
um there's no weeds woody vegetation it wouldn't be mowed weekly it would probably be a couple times a year would be because you'd want some of the grass to grow there to to slow it down yeah we have it at least once a year i
think that's pretty typical um that's in storm water so you don't want it mowed like every year i mean every month so um yeah that's all spelled out here how long is How long is that drive
200 300 by 20 6,000 can I see the first page again please he's got checks i'm assuming he's going to put it each one of these these drops is a is a check dam or you're just going to put it
contours but you can see the lines across them okay right okay one two three two three four five um you did the calculations to make sure this cover underneath is going to be
sufficient yes okay and then um the entrance construction is that a temporary construction access yeah so that'll be the your typical 4 inch thick 2 inch crust stone all right no is there
is there a pipe going under the driveway what size is that is that one says 18 inch 18 inch is that 80 is that HTP yeah okay did this go before the highway department yet because there's a curb cut as well so it would be fire border
health and highway we need to get comments from all three of them to feel this is sufficient unless you guys have anything else i don't have anything i think we brought
up needs to be yeah it's as long as the responsible parties because there may be some adjustments made in the future yeah i mean what happens if you get a big big rain event right i mean we modeled it after a 100redyear storm so
we've been getting 100 storms pretty regularly that's I mean I just I just you can just sense that this is going to be a waterfall right right towards the street which is another reason to get the highway department involved 300
300T 6,400 square ft of pavement no if I'm not mistaken the other side of the road just dips right down that's not even 3 to one was it to BBW yeah so that's where that wetland discharges to
underneath the road is this in an OW i believe it is yes now does that Is there a co under under the street there as well a pipe okay there is yeah under you talking about Horton Street because then the other on the uh east
side of the street is um a strong down gradient as well right oh yeah you know if you're looking at Buffington's property and if you're just three properties on the other side I mean you got a dip on Horton Street right there right from Buffington's
property down you know but so long as it slowed down though as long as it's slowed down as as they're offering you know certainly seems like it would work is there any i think so yeah i mean I mean the only
other thing would be limited clearing of vegetation too because if you clear the whole lot you're going to have major problems you just need and if you clear the whole lot in front of the house you're going to have big problems but if you just clear the area so right that we
tried to keep the tree line as tight as possible but we obviously had to do something with the runoff from the driveway so that's why that swale takes up quite a bit is this property pretty ledgy no no ledge um yeah when we did the perks out there we didn't really
encounter any test holes for the foundation no um well we did perks right here yeah yeah so um But did you do any for the foundation no but we're pretty confident with the amount of holes we dug out here
that encounter any ledge um and I think these are basically slab on grade anyway so Oh she has a question Jim uh no just a statement so a majority of the vegetation and trees are going to be
kept in the front and the driveway width I believe and I just confirmed with my dad originally it was going to be 12t wide but I believe the fire department recommended 25 ft for the width oh it's 25 and not 20 is that it is it 20 or 25
well it doesn't doesn't say yeah it really doesn't say right we can't scale it 12t but And they it was a turnaround issue yes so that's the reasoning for the driveway with and then the length we kept it because just having privacy and
having it's it's like a roadway or a highway as you can imagine a lot of roads 22 24 26 but that we've we've had this quite a few times is able anything over 200 ft
the fire department there's there's project I can see I can see the reason yeah yeah i mean you know they want to put 12 ft but they'd say no so you know it's not up to them it's a lot more expensive for 20 ft than it is for 12
well no I know but I mean you know they're going to tell you they want that and then you got to have a turnaround right oh that's what it is so I guess we just would want to see something in writing that it is sufficient do you have anything from them no and then the
board of health as well so I think if we just had those things I don't know but I I think we're good i think Yeah i mean you know the check dams are those going to be built first those would be built and the basement first instead of the house do you know
what I mean so yeah so those would probably be built while they're building the driveway um they build the driveway and the swale um and then eventually the house reason why she's saying that is because if you ever got a 100redyear storm while this is in progress this
will all wind up right down here in Horton Street i've seen it many times and we need the highway department so fire highway and we're going to check right this is over 35,000 this is going to have to be in place
before we the disturbance it's it's greater than the threshold yeah 6,000 square feet no I mean total sight disturbance clearing anything cleared over 35,000 has to be reviewed
the storm water committee reviews it as an advisory role to us to the planning board but in this case to us yeah get uh if you contact them soon uh they can get it done to us quickly and then we can
act on everything at one time okay you know rather than saying back I don't like that making people come back uh over and over again it's really a pain so if you get everything uh in order uh you know
you're should be set for next month department to Tom Prairie so the other thing is if you wanted to have your father contact me we could talk specifically about what the conditions are going to require so he can get prepared for that because I think if he
knows the conditions are going to require him to lay out the storm water first then he can get ready for that only only to save save trouble uh for the owner because you never know what the weather's going to bring we're going
into a wet season before the summer and uh you could very well get a a real rainy wash yeah exactly i've seen it many times i've had it happen to me so he's
in the construction business thank you sorry so um we'll have to continue this until May 15th motion to continue to May 15th i'll second it all in favor
okay so hopefully next May 15 will be squared away ready to go all right thank you all i just need a continuous form signed please if you don't
mind all right okay next in the agenda is to review discuss and act on a new hearing it's a notice of intent application by uh from TNA Realy Trust Antonio Alamita trustee construct a roadway storm water
infiltration basin associated grading and utilities at zero William Street a um map 21 lot 50 uh lot 20 a portion of the work falls within the buffer zone uh to the BVW
um do you have a file number we don't have one yet for you okay now we're talking zero williams Is this way to the south near Jimmy Sou's property i don't know where Jimmy S's property is but uh by old Horton
Street right okay sure okay so it's the farmland that goes grades up okay yes okay ready okay well for the record um my name is Bob Rio i'm with Riverhawk
Environmental with the Bob Rigo r Rio okay we're the uh civil engineers for the project and um as Lisa said we did file a um anatom process also two potential
vertical pools that you're treating as they are vertical pools and what proposing is a um a 17 subdivision this is just an overall plan of it i think the house you were
talking there's a ridge which runs through the property um so this tonight here only the road construction only and this associated storm water controls there's um wetland resource area to the north and then there's two
wet resource areas on the southern portion of the property we're proposing two storm water basins um within 100 buffer to those wet resource areas so the um The first one is over here by the
entrance and I'm going to put up like a zoomed up uh view of that so that's um this basin right here and it is within the 100 foot buffer the grading within the 50 foot and we're stay out of the 25T um no touch along
this small little wetland area um connects large resource that's on the opposite side of William Street is that uh currently uh farmed is that uh is that cleared land already um you know the the
clear No I'm talking about where where the detention bas yeah it currently um No I don't think so area that's um that's so tree is here i don't know
if you can see it so yeah existing house is here on this property and then it is within a tree portion okay all right no I I just because I know there's a lot of farmland but I guess the farmland is to the uh
the other side um soing that The reason why we're proposing that bas is because it's the low point of the site so we are picking up runoff from about this portion of the road that we have to deal with and it's because of
gravity that's kind of the one spot that we can use to get you try to um that's pretty much the lowest spot it is this is the lowest spot right here so that that's Yes that's the spot
so what we've done is we're trying to catch that runoff or most of that runoff and put it in the basin prior to so that's infiltration basing at a distance away from there's also the highway department
commented they had concerns there's kind of waters from this area off site and um finds it way down so we are proposing across the road to to pick that up and kind of maintain
across the road so that's So you got you you have what piping under the roadway yes we do and what size is that that pipe is a 12 in duct line and we are kind of limited again because of elevation trying to
raise up too much but that does carry what would be 50 model that to make sure we can handle what comes from over here during 50 years which is the typical design
criteria and make sure that so that's one proposing bas this facing just to give you an overview again this occurs on the other side of that uh existing developed property east
of that no I'm sorry and this is in historic this just to show a larger scale of it um we're again proposing a basin portions of the
basin um with this one we've kept all the grain outside of the 50 foot we've kept our discharge location around 100 ft away um so that's this particular this baser to the wetlands okay the the red
line is 50 foot the the red 25 the blue line is 50 you can see we have some All right but our emergency spillway our discharge location um are are all outside of that 50 foot um most a
portion a large portion of the basin is outside of 100 but but some is definitely the 50 to 100 ft and again that's to collect runoff from from portions of the roadway and that is just at a lower elevation to that allows us to get the
water okay you said you had an emergency spillway uh going out of there uh will that affect the house that is that exists there now well the house there those are those are here that's the house there's some outings buildings
back here but they're they're off they're crossrain and certain and that emergency spillway will never what is talking about that's above the 100 so we designed this basin to kind of capture that uh waters during up to the
100 year flood uh discharge a little bit of that water out over time um but but it never sees that emergency okay that's the 25 and um again what I'm looking at there you have a lot
of squares there are those the proposed dwellings um all proposed okay so those are completely outside of the even the 100 foot buffer zone and and on the other side is uh as well there's there's one that looks pretty
close to the buffer zone but right but but again this is for roadway construction these the purpose of showing these houses so we can how it's what will happen for storm water calculations that's that's really all so we've been in front of a play twice uh
with a definitive subdivision looking for approval for the And again it's for the road and the storm controls if we do have a house that comes and it's going to be close to or within 100 foot buff or excuse me we'll come
back to that house okay i I have a question right in the beginning you were talking about a a DI pipe for flow underneath the road as a cullet and you said it was 12 in yes is there a lot and you said
that was a 50ear storm yes would it would it uh would it be would it cover a 100year storm if you put two 12 inch ones side by side possible because you're you kind of you're kind of you can't really increase
the the diameter of the pipe right no no that is definitely Yeah so that's why you use it when you design so when we design pipes you know you go from manhole to you don't
for I understand to convey a 10ear storm no no i I understand that what what I thought you said was there's there's a lot of flow and accumulation uphill from that uh in the neighboring the neighboring
lots and you didn't want to restrict it so I'm not talking about the storm water from the road i I I know what that's designed for but if you I don't know how many acres are are being diverted to that local what's the watershed of it yeah um no I don't have that we did
design it using you know hypercad and size that culvert um did you fly over or did you just shoot it how do we establish whe to from Noah which we found to be super
accurate so I'm very confident in that in terms of what drains to it but in terms of the calculations for it and again when you design a culver that that's the typical design the 15year design is what we
design so that's that's what we do we could expand it well I I'm not saying you have to all I'm saying is is would it be worth it seeing it you know it's the sake of of one more pipe you know well I mean the is the problem is if it
doesn't convey the Right it would it would back up right because this this you can see you know you can count the grade lines i don't know the elevation i can't see but those go up there's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ft
before you get there's 9 ft of elevation before you get to the thing so that that puts you way up here on the road so water is going to go over here it's going to go right over the top it's going to go over the road this way okay i can't
see all that yeah no that's okay i follow you so now this this road has no curb on it no Cape Cod B or anything this road does it's a it's a whatever required to get I
think it's 26 ft wide y and there's Cape Cod B on each side on both sides there is no sidewalk sidewalk on both side yes so it's a Cape Cod BM it's your typical where we have manholes along the
roadway through pipes to those two bas okay Jack any questions dave were you all set so most of the sites outside the flood zone it's all out of a natural heritage it's not an AC or an OW
that's great just one other note this we've been in front of twice and Samson's done two very thorough reviews so far so that all the storm has been reviewed and evaluated by
so we did get a proposal from them because we need to as part of our none of us are engineers so we do have a proposal for it's a concurrent type of review that see it seems excessive to me but
I'm just saying that out loud because they get paid a lot of money to do those reviews yeah we don't have a town engineer i understand that they did a complete review for the board and they charged over $20,000 to do it we're doing it for all but wouldn't that be
the basis that if you make us use one consultant you can you can definitely state it for the record yeah I'm state for the record i mean the town requires we can only use one consultant less than the same right we have a contract with them I understand but we have no other opportunity whatever cost they say that
the applicant and to charge a concurrent review to review the same material the same dra the same water to me seems excessive that's bring
are they doing a um the select the is um is the peer review that's being done now include the storm water runoff i mean I mean uh if they're if they're doing that why don't we just get a copy
of their report not doing it for conservation purposes but it's going to be isn't it going to be the same the storm water is not the figures aren't going to change why don't we contact them okay well we're going to You don't have a file number right i do not so we're It's
going to be continued anywhere okay it just seems so com proposed that our beed to the conformity of state and local bylaw requirements
so the thing is they're not looking at commission when they're looking at the board materials they're looking at the board that's the difference how about how about if you give them a call and and
ask if what they're doing would is sufficient for us as well and well I have to do an email i will do that no no you know I understand what he's I don't feel comfortable as conditioning a subdivision without without someone
what What is it really it's going to deal It's going to deal only though with those two basins correct but we've done that in the past and those are the subdivisions that are real mass i'm just reminding you i'm just saying i'm not saying you're going
to $20,000 worth review it's not my It's not me i'm just a messenger well you are but you're pushing the message that they have to review it i have to I'm required to that is cross town there's nowhere in the Weapons Protection Act or in or the town
local by it says you have to have a peer review twice but it would set it precedent if we didn't go to Weston and S for this then all the other subdivisions would push the same thing so I don't even want to
go can Okay could you just um text them email or whatever you do and uh and and ask uh if their work
covers what we need here um and if and if and if not what the what the fee would be what the fee would be to do our small segment which is because they're going to have they
should have all the figures whether it's uh I don't know maybe it's only going to be 500 all this sound all this I mean when I was younger 500 was a was was two months paid I I appreciate it but I I believe
if we ask and Samson do they think they need to review something and chart my my my assumption is that of course we but thank you very much for your uh what okay input from you guys i mean if
they're reviewing it all I got to do is maybe look on the other side of the page it's not that simple though why isn't it Lisa they they they're doing they're doing wetlands the storm for the storm water corct storm water but not for our
bylaw so they're going to help us maybe we ought to maybe we ought to incorporate some of this maybe to help some of the people out you know I mean I can see that point you know if if you don't want them if
you don't if you don't want subdivisions in town don't waste that time tell them to their face we don't want you and then come up with an excuse but no I mean yeah you got you got whatever and
they're looking at runoff from storm water well it's going to the same place that would be conservation so I know they're in it to make money that's why everybody's in business you know why we signed on with a peerreview consultant though right
because of all the problems we've had over the years in this town yeah because because we've had all kinds of consultants this one doesn't want this one that one doesn't want that one this one's looking at this but they don't want to work for
this guy you've got one consultant you tell them they got to use them maybe you ought to consolidate it for some of these people either that or tell them no the project is there i I am just I'm not saying you but let's bring it up let's
bring it up next door able has something to say well I I I think we ought to take this under advisement right now and discuss this in close session i I I have to agree with both of you for for different reasons and I think we ought
to uh look into this a little bit closer is it something that we have to do can we discuss it just right here it all comes down through this one bypasses this that one bypasses that and no one has a mess and nobody's done anything
they want conservation to straighten it out if it doesn't do anything with water it's not up to us lot size elevations any of that so if they're looking at water for the
storm water it's the same water that's going to be running into the conservation no I I understand and I I agree with you it's just from from a standpoint of protecting the commission i don't think we ought to put
excessive burden on the individual bringing it before us but at the same time we have to be sure we need another mechanism to Well maybe we ought to discuss it next door because it is putting a burden on some of these people yeah i I I agree about
the burden yeah yeah they're the ones that say one consultant okay uh Lisa water's water and it runs downhill my my initial thoughts were to contact them and
ask them if this is going to uh what they're doing for the uh planning board uh is is that going to be sufficient to cover our bylaw i'll be the town administrator at the same time okay all right okay and so I I think
that uh uh you know because uh I I see it always too and this is why uh I'm looking at if they're doing all this work we got two detention basins and that's Yeah so in this case this was an
that was filed right so what we previously reviewed and approved it they were able to design it and keep you know a good chunk of the project which is great this is not your typical subdivision so this is this is why we
still we've been going through the process because we typically don't get subdivisions like this obviously the process is working when we're working with the other departments because we would have seen a subdivision that No but all we're saying is is what
they're doing for the planning board is it sufficient to cover our needs and this is something that they'll ask the question there's the the I think that's the uh the question for them is it sufficient uh uh to cover our bylaw um I
mean it certainly shouldn't take them more than a half hour to figure that out it may it may already be figured out right because I'm sure they had to take that into consideration
i appreciate And I don't want to go but I understand okay all right you can see where our feelings on this so uh we're going to have to continue this anyway because you don't have have a uh
um a file number so um uh let us say that sometime next week um Lisa will contact you and she'll be in contact with the with the uh town administrator with West and Samson and
she'll get back to you and if there is a something that that has to be done through them she'll let you know what it would cost fantastic but uh I you know you can see where we're trying to keep your cost smarter too understand okay
okay thank you um anyone else have any questions okay uh you're going to have to sign something for Lisa to continue bringing up my hand it's my shoulder that's all okay i have one of those too
is there Is there a motion is there a motion to continue to May 15th so moved second okay all in favor i thank you both may 15 okay okay next on the agenda is as an
enforcement order at 2371 County Street follow that you have a You have submitted a plan a revised plan yes great thank you okay
um where would Lisa go oh okay all right okay okay what we talked about is is is settled lisa is missing date okay okay uh April 2nd
okay so wait a minute this is says 4224 this plan says 4224 no no they're revised you got to go to the revision block oh okay that's okay that's an easy mistake we all do it you might want to
look at the second page most of the Okay so I went through one by one my comments for the planision um and they were all listed they're all listed under the notes
now um the only thing we need to fill in is the final date of the plan right that's up on the the top side yeah yeah um so and then we did As far as D
conditions John will deliver the revised plan on March 31st he did do that we'll review it at our April 17 that's what we're doing now and then begin to do that Mr
we're just waiting for the rain to stop yeah actually the rains we've been getting are very light it's been crummy weather and windy but the We haven't gotten much rain no yeah it It just makes uh the work just sloppy uh and uh
because of the slope and everything you're going to slide and everything else down there cuz we just uh finished putting in a foundation for another project and it it you know we'd go out there we compact it then would rain and
come up the next day and it's all marked yeah it's it's a mess do you have erosion controls out there uh the erosion controls are not in yet no so we're going to have to uh uh uh
place those in that's going to be the uh the first step uh so uh you are proposing to start what um within two weeks of today is that Yeah as long as the weather holds out we should be able to start in about two weeks yes okay i
think Mr has a question you apparently are doing something about the block down below that's causing the whole problem with the water build up on my property we're going to talk don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about right no no i'm I'm sorry i'm missing
something there uh the property down below me that's causing the block up okay that's near near Hot Street you served Pleasant Street but you only served half of the owners of that property what about the people own the other half
i think you just on County Street so that's actually on the agenda 2470 is on Pleasant is on the agenda are you saying there's a property line that goes right through that of course the property line goes down through the center of uh the railroad there see and
unless I see a survey I don't know that and that's what we've been asking Mr b to provide us with a survey with a restoration plan you can't you don't look on a map and see who owns the properties how am I going to know when I'm standing up where's the town hall
no just for clarification the the town maps so everybody knows are just a a general observation they are not survey plans trust me we run into this all all the time whenever whenever you see those maps it just gives you a basic outline
what may be the property line but it's not wetland yeah it's not an accurate survey pleasant Street and County Street i will contact the other one but um we we do have the other 2470 on the agenda
as well they've received two more letters this year so we're going to discuss that very after the site visit the state told me if that water drains off and that vegetation dies it's no longer wet wine and I get the engineer to come back and prove that and it
doesn't he says it comes off the white wine things change oh yeah they did they did change but I mean right now we've uh we have a wetland alteration so I'm telling you what the state told me at at the at the site he told me that at
the site you brought the state in the state engineer or whoever he is said if that property dries up and the vegetation dies all I have to do is have the engineer come in and prove that it's not wetland anymore and then it doesn't the wetland doesn't exist anymore
he says things change but it exists right now as when we are looking until the water gets out of it yeah once the water gets out of it that vegetation will die we we didn't just spend the past three or four years dealing with this for no I didn't Yeah i didn't plan to spend over $40,000 either
excuse me you don't need to speak to me that way i don't have much respect for you that's for sure great so moving on to uh other matters that was uncalled for that's is that's the right that's how I feel all right i'm a I'm an agent of the town i don't care
who you are okay sir i'm 100% disabled veteran that's going through health a lot of health problems because of this whole freaking thing first of all as of now it is wetlands and the wetlands have been infringed i
was just telling you what the state guy told me that's okay yes stand right there when he was talking yes i I I Hey but uh it is wetlands and if something happens uh but as of right now we're treating it as a wetland under our
jurisdiction and so the state is as well so I would like to you to continue please and uh uh go ahead okay so the plans were revised according to the uh the meeting that we had on site that everybody was there and also
uh the previous hearings and the memos that were made um the the big thing on the plan is on uh the first note up on the top is it has a two-year window for the uh completion date and we're going to hand
write on there the date of um the approval of the plan and then two years from there will be the the exit portion of it for the mitigation okay and the date on the plan is the uh So the date on the plan is March 28th
okay so two years from there March 27th of March 28 of 2027 uh 2 yeah 27 okay that's completion of the project
so John can you just reiterate that this is going to try to be done within like a growing season or are you going to be dragged out two years oh no uh I would like for this to be completed within one
growing season so that way the uh the vegetation gets established okay okay now you've gone through all this Lisa yeah i hope it gets implemented by the
sounds of it I'm not really sure so Okay just uh um All right um do we have any comments from anyone about the plan i don't have okay anyone in the audience uh shall we take
ace plan for restoration is is there a motion to accept the plan for restoration so moved i'll second it any discussion accepted any any discussion here anyone
in the audience all in favor i I Yeah hall doesn't open on Friday no that's fine can you and we'll we'll send you basically yeah it's basically all on
the plan but yeah you can email me though yeah and then uh once once we actually start I'll I'll uh I'll email the board so that way everybody knows when it's going and then as it's going uh we'll end up
doing some progress done twice thanks all right thank you have fun okay thank you have a good holiday okay we're all Okay next on the agenda is 2470 Pleasant Street uh Lisa 2470 Pleasant
Street that right now in December Yeah april 10th so we are following up on violations on their property at 247 Street
of the wild protection act and the wetland protection bylaw at our previous meetings and conservation commission um discuss your matter and do wish um to take further action unless necessary
however we await mitigation plan so we ask that they please email us and we attached a schedule of meetings so now at this point we haven't heard
back you haven't heard from them and they they signed for it we didn't get the green card yet uh is this something that we should send a constable yeah I think so um and uh this time
we're um we we should say that at our May meeting there a fine will be imposed starting uh if they do not reply um um well first of all we have to take a vote on that but this is these are my
thoughts anyway that that uh if we do not have a positive reaction um to mitigate the violation uh the commission will be forced to take uh
financial um action yeah okay uh okay i just spoke my piece what What is it with you people agree with you 100% uh Jack because this
they just been ignoring it and I think if we said it with a with a constable rather than certified male uh it's going to carry weight but uh but they they initially said that they were going to get someone to uh to clean the property
to do that um um they need to leave any of the mit there's still flow that's running through that area it's not completely
impounded but there is there is some okay well uh list the problem and say we are looking for um um a mitigation solution to the
problem and if one is not forthcoming uh our bylaws will be enacted to uh uh to set fines fines daily fines uh and that you can give them that section of the of the bylaw in writing and and I think uh
constable uh delivering it would be uh u quite uh finite yeah it would be it would get responsive okay I agree um so now I said my piece is would someone like to make a motion to to uh
send such a letter motion to send constable letter to 2470 Pleasant Street i'll second it all in favor okay okay uh next on the
agenda is uh 710 Center Street map 9 lot 154 it's a violation of cutting on conservation restricted land well he did come in he came in last meeting last
so I do have his phone number now now that it's the growing season I can work with to figure out what exactly we're going to do for trees i just haven't had the time no so it's actually on me i'm not as concerned about him no because he's on he was on board with everything
that we were talking yeah he's the other end of the spectrum i'm the one dealing with Sure okay um Pleasant um Center Street center Street that is Center Street that's the one we just That's the one we
just did oh oh okay all right okay uh 880 Hot Street um yes so let me just read you we had the site was it um so let me just pull that out okay the May meeting
so they went through our application after a site visit because we determined that they could put the cows in the backyard and they didn't need the fence in the wetlands and email
came so what was determined was that The timeline recap is drum will deliver a revised plan by April 30th the revised plan will undergo review at the May conservation commission hearing and information implementation or work begin
within weeks of the final approval okay so they didn't have to come to this meeting so that's we don't have anything okay uh 1070 Smith Street um They are in
the process of reviewing the um vernal pool they have the wetland scientists looking at the two potential vernal pools now that it's veral pool season um and Z is preparing a plan for what they want
to do in the backyard okay uh 10:30 Oak Street um that one was reviewed tonight under the um NOI for the septic so that one's going to come off the agenda okay and
we're going to work with them through the order of conditions okay uh 2134 Horton yep oh thank you but he has a color too
looks pretty good do you want to present it or um the agent i'm sorry just Yeah this is Yeah do this and we'll do this i'll talk to you yeah the woman that um I'm sorry she won't be
able to hear us if we're all kind of talking at the same time but um so the wetland scientist came out and determined that um there's an approximate 25 by 35 square foot area
about 875 square feet of wetland impact um so all the activity east of the wetland restoration plan um 875 ft will be restored buffer zone
impacts approximately 150 square feet and buffer zone restoration be 50 um instead of providing a survey plan it was a cheaper route to have prepare this
um as far as we know the trees that fell on the house before you before we bought the house yes trees fell and there was a claim submitted into the insurance company that's how we found out so there was
several trees not just one tree was assuming I think um so there were several trees so I don't think we should be responsible to replacing those trees and going with um Steven's um plan okay
do you want to read that excuse me please all right so the restoration plan um number one will be all site activity is to be completed under the supervision of a wetland uh professional two would be
no site activity will commence until the necessary erosion controls are on site and available for installation three wetland restorations activities will consist of the removal of wood chips material via hand and um mechanized equipment as well as grading
of reshore wetland and wetland buffer zone locations to pre-existing contours and epilivations four activities will be conducted in a uniform fashion such that work will be completed stabilized as cleanup and restoration progresses five
wood chip fill would be excavated down to the original or organic top soil horizon and all the stumps and rocks that are are native to the restoration area will remain in place six the buffer zone uh surface locations impacted by
the removal of wood chips will be graded to match um unaffected contours seven the restoration area will be seated with New England wet mix or similar at an application rate of one pound by 2500 square ft and upland locations will be
seated with the New England erosion control mix or similar at an application rate of one pound uh 1250 square foot eight wetland and upland surface locations um distributed by restoration operations will be covered with straw
mulch following seeding and the Dyon conservation agent will be contacted for final site review that's the plan okay so this looks like it's well under the way to getting done yeah and uh I
don't think they need controls there because I don't think they're going to go down as long as they're not going to really go down but what do you guys think they probably they're going to take wood chips out and plant wood chips out and and and let let it regrow uh sort of
you know naturally the seed mix too Jim they're going to plant the wetland seed mix so that's sufficient okay um we're all set then just Yeah just make sure Stephen's you know providing us with updates because sometimes we get calls from neighbors or
whatever and we want to know make sure we know how to respond and so long as it doesn't say zero court street he's got a front door so he's they wait for is a front door no I know
yeah so what about the shed i can't use the shed no more cuz his job I lost my job on that so they gave it to another guy because where I where I live now on Horton Street where we used to live in Secon it was only like 10 minutes so they call me on a daily daily basis cuz
I'm like an emergency i'm out of uh Local 4 by the way i saw you 271 yeah so I'm in a tie in crew so what I do is I do emergency services gas water power lines and stuff like that we get called and we get the text message between 5
and 5:15 from the office at Forever Construction so we have to get a certain time within 45 minutes get there established get your stuff ready get your crew ready and then perform your work got to be there within a certain limited time because of the due time
because when I moved here to Dykan I was lagging behind because I had the ConX boxes out of Distinctive which I got to tell you later what I want to talk to you about that in a minute so what happened was they gave my bid to somebody else they transferred me to
Lawrence Mass which I lost $10 per hour because it's a flowy difference because they only cut me as a fuser now you're in the construction business you know what fusing is right okay so we're taking out the Driscoll Plex and we're taking out Adelaide and we're just
putting it now to gas man because of the traveling i kind of like I just resigned from the company that's why I need to talk to you about they said something about um the hell they call that a withdrawal from the local for and see if I can get
transferred to 610 or something like that so I don't know who to talk to that's I'm going to need help with i tell you every every Monday the business agents over in the industrial park this area is he is he from Dayton no no he's
from Westwood he comes over to the industrial park every uh every Monday mr are we set are we set on the wetland area so and if you want to Yeah no continue later yeah so the conclusion of
everything is that because of that I I don't need the shed now at this point oh boy okay well if you ever do now you know not this time now with distinctive I'll be a truck driver so Okay um All right let's we're all set
then as far as Okay i think it looks good it just requires the monitoring with Okay and I'll shoot i guess you're good to go then great um it'll get done probably in a day I think yeah supposedly Bob said that he can get it
done in a day oh okay okay um okay let's go next then 260 Country Hill Drive thank you all right Jack i appreciate Thank you take care buddy thank you sorry for the hassle
hi there okay Lisa 260 Country Hill yep um so when I was out with my hip replacement I I got an email when I returned I followed up um
the neighbor complained over here at 260 Country Canal the neighbor complained about um some wetland violation um When I looked into the site I realized that there was a building permit or two building permits that were actually
pulled um for this property 260 um one was a deck and then one was a cabana and I did sign off on those because it was my understanding that that work would be well outside of any conservation jurisdiction so outside 100 foot zone um
there's no other jurisdictional area not like a flood zone or river no rare species issues so where is the problem but um well um so looks like the
the contractor did um had to do some grading and I think what did you say one tree removal we had one tree removed yes so what happened was I have photos if you guys want to see but there's a slope in the back do you have any photos with
you not of the back of the slope no yeah um so I believe that some of the work in the back was a pretty decent size slope i
would say maybe three to four foot slope that was filled but in speaking the owner of the property that has the wetland which I believe you what what this wetland is is a natural
underground spring and waterway which starts here floods up and it goes down towards 138 used to pass in between no cost anybody's here
used to go down and out towards the river now they put country hill estate 35 years ago there used to be a stone wall well unfortunately they took down 1900 ft of stone wall which allowed
the contracts to rescope the land that us now when they did this the bulldozers came in now when I was a kid I was raised land has been in our family for over 100 years there was a little bit of water
yes but not the amount of water we got now since they did concrete things because they first of all broke a pedical law by taking down the stone wall and then they were able to resol it
now this underground spring area that I'm talking about has been there for hundreds of years you have to see this area to know what I'm talking about because at one time it was a river that
used to flow you know the river used to must have came up and down so you can see how the land was shaped and everything how the water used to flow out but now Country Hill States did all this
we have so much more water now you know what it hasn't been as rainy as it has been past few years which is a good time where I wish you guys just come out and take a look at what I'm up against
because I don't mind them having a pool or anything but when you reloat that land you're taking away think about all the chemicals that could come from your pool soaps and everything else doesn't
have a chance to filter through the ground before it hits this natural spring area which mind you I have a deer I have n eight dos to nine dos in a buck that floats around now in the past five
years this population has grown up all has gone from like three four to this then it goes down then it comes up again The hot summer days in the months I see them digging their horse in to get
drinks in a bed right next to this area they've been there since I've been a kid i used to hunt that the wildlife isn't anything the way it used to be but if you allow this to happen because the way
you you smoked that land and then you put all that stone dust on that rocky hill that was just going to flood that river that's like just shooting down a water slide into a natural spring area can I stop
you for a moment uh uh did is that slope that you're talking about is it on your land that they did it or is it on their land on their land okay all right that that they did it but what they did they put stone dust so it's all stone dust so
the water has no chance to go into the ground and build the road so I'm just as it is I get flooded out by country states and now I'm going to get more flooded out in the back and not just that you're going to ruin this spring
that goes down and now I'm going to get more flooded out towards my house area in the whole area now it was working great you touched it seriously it was working good nothing
else that's why years ago they stopped it and did all that okay they hated us you find yourself complaining about this i mean I find that only this this is the problem we had a survey done and this gentleman thinks
we're now encroaching on his property you have the opportunity to get a survey done and rebutt where the line is buddy I'm not worried about this you just said we stole your land yeah you did you stole some of my land over there but
that ain't the problem the problem is you're you're ruining a natural underground spring so we're really here all right okay because of conservation so I have told I'm sorry is it Richard i deal with a lot of people
richard that he has wetlands on their property and I think that the wetland edge should be flagged in this area so we can determine the and figure out exactly where the
regulated area is um I think we should do a site visit here i mean give it a chance you take a look at it by yourselves excuse me you're saying but the wetlands is on Richard's property right correct so um the Oh I
the So okay so if I'm getting this right then the wetlands are on your property and but you are working within 100 filled in within 100 ft of his wetlands so we don't know that so the wetlands that we see we haven't had an
opportunity to speak so excuse me um the wetlands that we see on the GIS site we are not within 100 ft so that's inaccurate it's not it's not that we're not here to make trouble we didn't mean to cause you any harm we bought that
house 10 years ago 12 whatever whatever we're raising our family there seriously we're raising our family there we're not trying to make trouble we're trying to build a nice backyard we did not realize that we're in wetlands someone needs to help us ex
figure out what wetlands you're talking about because I thought they were supposed to be marked i thought they were supposed to be flagged i thought they were supposed to be registered of which we don't see any of so we're trying to figure out what we're in violation of so we can correct it and that's what we're struggling to figure out
i did speak with Zenith who did the property survey and there was a gentleman here from Zenith but it wasn't Niles Nile did Niles contact he sent us an email he said wait for this he said wait for the meeting and then to contact him so I
think I think we need a site visit but I also think that the two property owners should work together to figure out where the wetlands are no no no way absolutely not we are not working with this gentleman to figure out where the
wetlands are um we will use a professional but we we are not working directly what I'm saying is it's his property so you guys have to work together you can't flag his wetland i'm not trying to flag his wetland i'm trying to understand where we are within
that wetland that someone then registers and marks and does all the things that so that they're official and then we can figure out how we remediate around that but who determines where the villains are how far is this Phil from your
perceived image and I'm not going to say you you loggers on someone else's No no I understand that but you probably put a visual on it in the 100 foot zone do you think okay you think but it may not hold on so
how you determine a wetland we pass but let me start with this so that would be helpful before that so this is what we found you can't go on nobody can ever go on that that's just as you've heard the
number you have to go to some type of essentially which one is theirs That's what has to be done what is all the way here you have to go to a professional
wetland we determine wetlands hydraology if you don't have hydraology then we look at the soils and it's always done by vegetation so you might have a wetland scientist that comes to your property and stands out
and looks over Richie will actually let me walk on the property and at that point I could tell you you are or you are but it's really because you want to do the property I mean do the
project and I am an agent of the town i can't act as your consultant and tell you what to do but Zenith can help you is what I'm trying to say to you zenith you've already hired to do your survey we hired to them to do our survey this is beside the point because cutting was
occurring on our property we had no proof so we had to hire a survey to be done to prove that cutting was happening on our property just for the record who was cutting this gentleman you know what
I did i cut a limb off a cedar tree i was up there cleaning up this property it hasn't been cleaned for six it was more than a cedar it's more than How much fill did you put in just give me an idea we're not construction people we don't
We don't know i mean 50 ft wide 40t i'm not here i'm not here to write to record it accurate it's right so 260 on the far left this is and this is
right and they cleared this whole area right here and then they cleared it you cleared it the company is working for them to level out their property so when I approve the I didn't expect that they were going to have to
we just move dirt we weren't trying we weren't intending to move you didn't just move it you brought in Absolutely not that is not true that came from our backyard all that stone just came from your backyard that came from our backyard that's a lot of soldiers
how much surface area are we talking about here that's what I was trying to get from the script when you say it's worth the talking question to them just so when you say the surface area of of what of of the disturbed area uh or the
area where the stone dust is for sake oh it's hard to say because until we know where where the buffer zone is I'm going to give you an answer that's to an arbitrary line no it's not well I guess you know what's your lot size uh frontage and depth i don't have the
survey on me yeah see we that's why we need the plan and we need I mean we're not trying to be difficult i just don't have the information with me we need a site visit but I think more importantly we're we're going to go to the site visit we're going to say we need this on a survey plan yeah well it could but if it's under a certain amount we might be
able to make a determination based on that you know because it's not even just under a certain amount if you are you have to prove to us that you're outside the 100% only way to do that is to have a professional provide you with that so basically we're guilty to prove an So we
have to figure out ourselves what we're in violation of no you No no that's what's happening here no one can tell us what the actual measurement point is from i'm not going to delineate i am not allowed as the agent of the town to delineate a wetland on someone else's
property this is his property sure if he would like to do a delineation to determine that I'm strongly recommended that to him i'm just I'm just you know I'm happy to have a pool and all that i don't care about that the only thing I
care about is all that water coming down and flooding out and ruining that underground area but if if that's if they didn't bring in any stone dust it was just already there but where they put it it's where they put it and placed it and made it it's just going to like
take all the water up okay i I think a site visit will probably have to be made i think we probably need some erosion controls in the meantime though because if we get a big rain we're going to went off there's nothing stabilizing that you
asked to stop find your back border find the back border of your property and somehow uh Sorry too many people talking i I can't I can't hear if you get your back uh two little lines and and and see where you are and and
just put some kind of uh barilitation barrier to make sure there's no runoff until this gets uh uh settled if there's no runoff that's certainly going to be a positive for for Richard um and um
you can have the contractor contact me if you'd like i mean the contractor's a hardcape contractor right they're they're not a site preparation right we had someone do the pool we have someone doing the hardscape we've taken material
that we had on our property do the patio and they moved it you know to the back which we thought was we didn't know we were in violation yeah violation of a wet land you know we're trying to uh uh
settle this amicably between you two and and us because if it's a if it's a wetland violation you might have to just pull up some of that stuff back we don't have a problem doing that but the problem is we don't know what do we need to do you don't know where to start and
stop is what you're saying yes yes i'll work for you i said I just do you have someone else four people are talking okay
okay all the nittygritty about all this conservation stuff and all that that's fine i'll work with it it's only problem it's just all that stone dust when you cut slope
now that hill is just going to overflow that area on the rain if you see it from my point of view you'll see all the water that we get and you're basically just maining it to it and if you do have any chemicals within that water it's
going to get into the natural spring which goes underneath the comes out down at the end and goes underneath the road i'm sorry we see
them more than just deer we enjoy watching the the habitat well we just need to understand here's the thing it's our property we're not we're not here to make trouble but we need we work off of facts and I would love to I'm sorry that that this Country
Hill Drive development has led to issues for you guys i'm really sorry but that's not our intent we just need to understand what we're in violation of and that's what we're having a hard time figuring out so we know how to remedy the situation that's all i think we need a site visit first of a Richard's house and then second at 260 so we need two
separate site visits so we're not trying to do it all at once really i do i think that's how we Do you approve of a site visit by us well I got no problem with that um Okay so you're going to do the site visit but I think I heard a few moments
ago that you can't delineate where the weather she can't delineate but So what does the site visit what does that sir it it'll give us a good idea of what's going on without without being without giving accurate in well without putting stakes down and and that type of thing
but with that the end result's still going to be feels like to get a professional engineer out to do that would help to to give you information that would help us yeah and I mean we're trying to ju just again for the record
the project's not done lisa came out we stopped all work there the stone dust is not the finished product right what is we have is not the finished product right we're going to plant some a lot of
green giants right we want to you know clean up the area add some more trees to it try to help with some of the you know because our yard right now is is a lot of water it's very wet so we're trying to do some things but we've been stopped
midstream back there so now we're in this you know zone where we can't do anything which is fine we're not going to do anything there but it's not the finished product that's the problem we may be able to save you some trouble and time with a site visit and we don't
object to a site visit i'm just trying to know where things start and stop or even if it's in our jurisdiction for all we know in the meantime though not come under us and we might just say have nothing to do with us but in the meantime I think they should put Zenith
on standby because I think they're probably behind like four or five weeks or something so yeah so we talked to the survey people who's not it's not Niles office himself it's the one out of New Bedford okay the land zenith land
surveyors john Romanelli I think his name is okay he said "Yeah Niles has got a long list of but they have but they have wetland scientists that work with them you don't necessarily need If Niles comes out there he's probably going to say the he's going to say the same thing I'm saying he's well he's not going to
delineate that someone else is going to wetland scientist is going to." So if you just ask him to put you on the list for wetland scientists to come out and if Richard's amendable you guys are going to figure this out but in the
meantime we'll schedule a site visit i think that's just how we have to do two site visits i think we're all going to work together when are you guys free there's a little tension i still think we're going to work together we'll get this done i have no problem with that so when do you guys
want to come over yeah do you want to go out Wednesday that's right what day is that so we'll go to his site first and then we'll go over there two separate times so It's not jumbled and we're not I don't know if you need us to be there you're more
than welcome to the property we're not We are leaving town for a little bit so you're more than welcome to to help yourself out back okay when When will you be When will you return the 28th yeah monday august sorry April august
april august that's a good You don't need a poll okay do you have uh uh boundary stakes on your property you do okay yes and we've left that that's important too boundary stakes i have them
and you know what I did in my property i I uh cut a square out and I put cement around the pipes that were there and then I cemented it in so that it wouldn't get moved and then then where I in the front yard where I mow I I
lowered them down to just below the blade level smart thank you we really appreciate all i'm sorry to take your knife okay what time yeah i was just Oh yeah we need to set a
time huh what time are you guys free i'm open to so it's 10:11 okay yeah that's fine you want to do 11 11 11 good do 11 that'll give me time to get into the office oh yeah
we're We're dirt people we're conservation you know thank you can you also schedule a site visit for our Yeah yeah so we'll do two separate dates that we're there when they get with you
guys or do you want us to do it on our own i mean be better with them there i know i know i kind of feel like we should do it with Yeah okay we ready to move on then you know trying to do a site visit trying to schedule the site visit okay
okay let's see the 28th is a Monday what do you want to do do you see a Wednesday what about Wednesday i mean I can do Monday i can do Monday 28th you can do Monday okay i can do Monday what time
that's the 28th I think you want to do 11:00 so we're going to do Monday the 28th at 11 at Country Hill Drive and then we're going to do um what do we say wednesday the 23rd
at 11 well you would access through Country Hill wouldn't you to the That's a long way a long walk back name anyways there's no right next to Boyce's house oh wait a
minute i think it nice meeting you folks bye now okay we Okay richard okay okay um other business is uh a proposed
warrant article for conservation revolving fund um yeah I think it's just a technicality that we have to vote on that but before we we can do that item but I think we should take this Elm Street yes 365 we got to take it um take
other business wait a minute out of order here okay so he isn't actually on business because I just found this one yesterday public in Okay um okay uh a motion to take Lewis Street
out of order it's not Lewis Street elm Street I'm sorry elm Street out of order is there a motion so move second is there a second i'll second all in favor i okay uh
I sent you guys an email with his some of his information you saw it did you see it where this is Elm Street here yeah that's all cut everything in blue has been cut I have the exact measurements what I cut
out a lot it is 115 ft wide by 50 ft long only 50 ft long it's exact when you left yesterday ma'am I measured everything out exactly we're at 50 ft times what that's 500 That's
5,750 square ft total and the reason for that is what I want to speak to you guys about so last fall I um a tree fell in my pool okay I have underground pool cost me $13,000 for a new liner so the trees in my backyard they
were pretty much right up to my my fence line in my backyard and over this winter I was worried about more trees falling on my property so I says "Ain't happening." So I took that little section of trees down i said "It's not happening." So I have that BS spot now
and I says to my wife I says "What are we going to do?" "Let's do a little farm for the kids." You know I want to put a pole bond up a small pole bond 10 x10 pole bond i'm not doing a development like some of these people here are doing in today's meeting i was like in shock with all that they're building i'm doing a 10 x10 pole bond not putting a
foundation in nothing like that i have the lot size here i measured the lot so putting a a driveway too no it's not a driveway it's not a driveway so what I do is I throw some gravel down on the side of my property so I can bring a
trail in there with the wood cuz I purchased the wood for the pole bond already okay so and I park my work truck there on the side of my driveway so anyway that's the purpose of the driveway and you guys are welcome to come down anytime that I have nothing to hide so I first went down to see Mr
aguia the building inspector i think that's who it is Mr aguia and um so now mind you where this lot sits I have no neighbors whatsoever the town of Dyen actually owns the property around me so
I could have chose to do this without pulling any permits silently and just do it and I did it i did the right thing went down did the right thing pulled the permits i want to do everything leg jet so there's no issues and here I am now
so she came down which was not a problem um and she saw a little section of my land in the corner where she says that might possibly be wetlands it appears to be a skunk cab okay so that little spot there the water
comes down i know cuz I live there the water comes down the property comes across the property there goes down the swale which I mentioned to her and I showed her and goes down the property on my property down the side that's a low spot in my property there that builds a little water once in a while that mostly
stays dry most of the time okay so that's that's what she's seeing there um that whole property in the backyard is is ledge that's all ledge back there there's no wetlands and I'll I'll show you why there's no wetlands i have here
which you guys can probably pass it around i could have made I should have made copies contact him today he confirmed with me that he didn't actually have a weapon scientist that was back in 2016 okay okay is all this cutting in
wetlands and buffer zone that we should do a site visit absolutely now here's the thing with the buffer zone it's 100 ft if that buffer zone is actually 100 ft that house would not be built there from that buffer zone that she's indicating it's
about 60 ft to that buffer zone to 2015 when was the house built it's 60 ft from that buffer zone when 2016 2016 i started in 21 you if you if anyone that's in the construction industry knows which I know he knows
there you will know that's not that's not wetlands there you clearly see it you clearly see it you see that's a wet spot that's just been wet for a little while that's not wetlands well we have in our isolated wetlands as wet so in this
case I believe this is an isolated well it may be an isolated wetland but in any case I don't know if you want in the south of his property and it travels across just beyond the area where they had they stopped and fenced
in the area which is he and then it goes north and someone actually created a drainage ditch on the town property near it's not the town south of hat south of hot street this is uh east north north
of north of hot street which is on my property which I have the property lines here was I went out water towers it's right there just south of there which I have all property lines here which I I went out I went out when I told you when I I talked to you yesterday I went out I measured
everything out myself okay like I said I do this for a living I went out and measured out myself and the stone walls actually on the property is exact to the dimensions that is on the town records is which is here if you pass that down or not to make a difference but is is is
there that's my property and then the trees that I took down I'm saving them which is sitting on my property i'm seeing cuz I'm going to use them for firewood i'm going to chop them up and use firewood it's on my property and you can walk it you can see it there's four-wheel trails that go all through the water department's property so my
land sits here and the water department's property is right around me i have no neighbors it's it's myself my home that's it you know and I I I want to put a little 10 x10 pole bond for me and the kids and put some goats and some sheep there that's all I'm looking you're going to be able to do that we
just need to make sure that we know whether whether I put it I I'll put it anywhere it doesn't matter where I want to put it back there you know it it's just you know I know that's not wetlands i know there's no wetlands there i just can't see and my issue is this i can't see myself paying a scientist to go
there to take a sample of land it's It's insane when when it's showing here if you want to look at that it's near that big rock it's all rock you're in the right area with
with pebble stones that's all rock you know you see the clay oh yeah that's clay that's that's on top of the rock okay yeah so trapped water right the rock is make causing the wet to there so that's what's that's why you don't
permeability because of the rock i know that rock to the to I stopped at that rock and actually studied that rock for a while with all its different uh pebbles in it trying to figure out where they came from in in actuality sir where my house sits if you go back about I
would say 800 ft roughly don't be I'm not exact there's a marker cuz I know cuz I go back there walking with the kids all the time there's a massive rock back there there's a massive drop there's a marker that's engineered stamped there that's the highest point in
Dyon the highest point in Dyon how can I have You can still How can I have you you can have a But my property pictures like this it's crazy let's Let's be realistic come on my property pictures like this street which
is pretty And you know so that's that's that's my fight that's that's my fight you know yeah it's a perched water table because of the those rocks so I I guess at this point let's do a site visit and we'll feel free i have nothing I have nothing to hide you seem to you'll put
the pond wherever it needs wherever listen if if it's a problem where you know this is no we'll see all right you know site visit it will be yeah as soon as you can set up that you were pouring concrete i was putting up a pole i was putting up a pole one pole and she she
showed up you know and I stopped she said stop and I stopped i shut it down i shut it down you know I shut Okay let's uh let's just leave it at that then for the time being site visit will be coming and uh we do it at the same time as we do country
home you want to go can we go there during the day i have Listen if you want to meet me in the after I get out about 4 o'clock I'm I'm home by 4:30ish I'm home i'm only part time over here so you know I try not to work past 4 if you want to go during the day that's fine with me i I don't go I have nothing to
hide go oh you said 11:00 for country my dog's inside during the day no the kids go back to school next week oh good so it's not a problem that's not a problem you know don't worry about the dog kids you got to watch out double up on the 23rd yeah if you want to swing by you
know what I mean and and with Here's the thing with all the spring we just had it there's water everywhere every everything looks like like like you know everything looks like but it's hydraology vegetation and soils and you actually had some good holes there for
me to be able to see the the gray and the it's I believe that's sub soil you own a very small wetland but I believe a portion of your lot is in a buffer zone and then there is a small wetland is what I believe and I believe the wetland
and the soils mapping shows actually goes north of you on the water department land and then down but the interesting part drainage ditch there which that yeah that but that sits on my my property that drainage ditch but the funny part is like like you're saying if
that if that is the wetland section you know and I'm not trying to be tough and I'm not trying to start you know we have a lot of issues with that guy that's I'm not trying to go there but if that is the wetlands like you're saying you know and you need the 100 foot buffer that house could have never been built there
nor nor could that tower the wetland tower be there you see oh that that tower That tower was put up back in the 60s so and you know what I'm saying and and okay and then the highest point of 800
ft behind me you know the laws have changed a lot since uh houses have been built even 10 years ago and not and us being notified the highest point the highest point could be in Westite
but you know that's crazy that's crazy but anyway that's what that's what I'm looking to do okay all right i think I think we're all you're all set for a site visit and all that so So we'll double up on the 23rd yeah we appreciate your cooperation so we'll um have a site visit and do you have an email we'll
send you an email how's that uh yeah I'll write it down for you and then you can Okay let me know you know and then So you saying 23rd we'll go by and then Wednesday wednesday okay all right so yeah if you want to just write Yep i'll write it down for you
okay now do I still have to hire the scientist to come and test the soil i mean I I don't feel that I don't think I have to i mean I I don't think it's necessary to test my soil either that or I could just tell you where they are which would you rather what do you mean
tell me to tell i mean if I tell you where the wetlands are then you just have to So just avoid that section i mean I'll put some bushes i'll plant a tree if you want that's why you need a wetland scientist work with you on that because like I just told them I can't chestnut trees don't grow
in wetlands listen there was trees growing i know that's what I'm saying that's what I'm trying to tell you that's not wetlands there what oh trees grow oh trees grow we are especially especially the maples and see okay uh let us move on here uh
proposed uh warrant article for conservation revolving fund um we're going to new applications will having fees and if we have these these
uh fees put into a special account uh um it would be very beneficial I think to the commission um but it has to go on town warrant and I don't know how Lisa you would get Paul to write this up so it would be accurate
okay um do we want to have discussion on that or we just want to uh take a vote and to and to set up a revolving account on the town warrant uh I don't know oh we might as well okay
the revol set it up right yeah and well then the people have to vote on it to get it to give us a revolving account rather keep it so the funds would become ours rather than Thank you good night so how's it going to work i don't know
exactly how it works that would be that would be Paul's department but money that comes in for uh filing fees on new filing fees um for um let's say fines even uh this money would go into our
revolving account which would be used at our discretion i I I understand that part so but we're we're we're basically deciding now how we want to set it up so that the funds can basically be utilized
for the commission yes and it would I I think Paul would be the one to write up the warrant article then it has to be voted off upon by the uh town members right at town meeting which would be it's coming up
soon though right very soon june dave do you know what it is what's that the town meeting no I don't have that in front of me i know okay uh so if we vote on that Paul can probably can probably get on to it write up an article uh a warrant article
and then um it would be submitted to the selectman for I I think that's way to go you know because we just got those um in the new bylaw or the amendments to the bylaw we have funding and and let let all this
money go in there that we can use ra you know rather than someone else trying to grab it on I mean let's let's face it this this commission is probably the cheapest board of anything in town and because
none of us are getting paid Lisa is the only one that's getting paid and the and the individual doing the minutes um and other departments get uh uh they get overtime right you know they they work on snowstorms or someone's sick and
they work overtime but uh right we get nothing i mean I'm not saying it as you know I I knew that for us but for the department itself and then at times Lisa doesn't get fully compensated there you
go we asked for five uh last week lisa and I went to ask for five additional hours and we were shot down really we were shot down for five additional hours last week which would have cost the town $5,000 more over last year's budget
because we had already cut the budget by $6,000 and so this would have been a total of $11,000 uh per year for the five additional hours per week and it's our 5,000 roughly um over last year's budget and
um were shot down um you know but how many departments get overtime you know I mean I get comp time and I hope that I can use it the next week because I haven't even used all my vacation time from the
last fiscal year okay uh so is there a motion to uh uh to propose a warrant article for conservation revolving fund so move okay uh Dave makes the motion second abel seconds it all in favor i
okay so we'll have Paul write that up since he's good at that okay next item is uh um uh to accept the minutes from October 17th 2024 and February 20th 2025 is there a motion to accept those
minutes so move is there a second second all in favor i okay um bills payable uh that's been taken care of i have them here if you guys want to look at them i mean I I only pay bills like once a
month but there's also Okay all right well that's been signed either already payroll by myself or by Paul um Okay um Okay i don't know if we have to make any motion on that um it's just a review
okay and uh um review discuss annual report it was I had it here somewhere and I know um Dave saw it and Jack saw it abel I don't know if you give show to Abel if you want to have any comments on
that um it was already due i'm not sure if they are at the printers yet or anything but um that's been submitted already correct okay all right and the next item it says
uh discuss act upon the request for the uh board of selectmen and I think I just got that in there i I I kind of combined it with something else um um but uh I wanted to keep you up to
date on what transpired but Lisa and I were here uh and we uh got nowhere got nowhere okay next um did you did you vote on the minutes yes yes okay sorry
thank you okay um Bob Brimma Robert Brimma um we had vote about a year ago we voted him in as an associate member but we did not forward the um our vote to the selectman at that time since uh
he was working on a site that was uh that was involved with us and we didn't want anything to even appear as though it would be conflict of interest so we delayed uh submitting it and what I would like to uh do is to reaffirm the
uh the request to have Bob Brimmer uh as a new associate member to the commission um I just want to bring to your attention that I don't know if you heard Glenda but she is Glender at 2134 i think she's planning on hiring Bob um
and I knew that so I did have a discussion with him about that he'd have to do even as an associate member he'd have to take the conflict of interest ethics training yeah um and he'd have to recuse himself from any of that even though he doesn't vote he still should step out of the room i don't think
there's a problem with that right that's only going to be a short He can do that yeah so so I just want to make you guys aware we've all We've all stepped down when we knew somebody because we're we
are town members it's a small town and you know I stepped down uh when I knew someone working on it you have Jack has i don't know if you have you did yeah you did once on on Main Street i have too yeah paul has so we all have we just
have to be cognizant cognitive of it yes cog yeah okay so um while we're on the topic Jack took the ethics training um Dave just took it i took it took it i took it i don't finish it okay but I I
It's on you to do you know my to-do but I I did some of it back when for some reason I didn't I didn't finish it yeah it only should take you 45 minutes unless you jam it kept that machine kept on uh ticking back to what I've already
done and then 90% of it had nothing to do with it was dealing with education teachers doing uh uh taking kids on field trips and doing stuff and it didn't have anything to do with us i never took us on any field trips come on now we're going on one on the 20 two on
the 23rd oh you got to wear your muk boots okay uh let's do I have a vote to reaffirm and send our decision to the selectman for for a vote so move is
there a second second okay we got two seconds um and all in favor i I Okay so Lisa on Tuesday then you can send that to the selectman that we have approved Robert Burma for uh associate member
okay good uh wait a minute so who who made the motion sorry dave made the motion and I don't know who was first on it jack put Jack's name jack doesn't do too many seconds yeah we did a second there
great all right thank you great okay okay we did Lewis Street um no we didn't we didn't no okay go ahead lewis Street all right so as you recall may recall um
and I expected the woman Barbara Fontaine to be present tonight but she is not um so um at our 220 meeting Oh is this the water the the groundwater yeah so at our
Do you want me to read it for the record or No I you know I I don't think uh Well I think we should at least read your letter response because how it went down was our 220 meeting she she brought up concerns about um potential
contamination on her street and high cancer rates in response to that um March 24th we read wrote a very short letter we should read it for the record go ahead i think we should all right it was dated March 24th 2025 it was
addressed to the board of health border selectman town administrator Ralph Faco Master EP in the Dyon water district complaint received at a public hearing the conservation commission received a notice of intent application from Tim Cussen of Parallel Products Solar Energy
for construction at Borges Auto 2200 Lewis Street map 14 lot 41 for two solar canopies and associated utilities mass DP file number SE017-0513 at the open discussion point a neighbor said there was an unusual
high rate of cancer in the neighborhood we expected the site to be reviewed under peer review since that time the applicant has withdrawn the notice of intent the commission does not have evidence of said problem but believes that further investigation is needed the
commission does not have the expertise to follow up however we suggest these issues for you is the groundwater and/or soils contaminated is public water supply andor private wells at risk sincerely Dyton Conservation Commission
James Digits conservation chairman and we copied the commissioners again it was sent to the border of health board select we did get a response from Border Health saying that they are not aware of any spills in the area and we did get a
response from D saying that they don't know anything yeah D sent us a response on March 27th um Mass E Bureau of Waste Site Cleanup is in receipt of the attached letter based on Mass D's review of
documented releases and spills in Dyon mass D has no record of reportable spills or releases of oil or hazardous materials at 2200 Lewis Street as for private wells private wells are regulated by the town board of health we are not aware of any private water
supplies adversely affected by contaminants in the area please reach out with any questions take care angela Gallagher andrew Angela Gallagher is the chief site management CN section of Bureau Wa Bureau of Waste Site Cleanup
in Lakeville okay can I I'm going to cut in now i did forward this and we Yeah we did get a letter followup from Barbara Fontaine as well which reiterated what she said okay uh I sent the letter off to all those
departments because it's not our jurisdiction but I don't want to anyone to think that this commission is negligent in its duties uh we forward it to all the possible uh departments agencies that may have
interest in that and it seems like uh uh two of them have already disavowed uh any knowledge of of any wrongdoing i I mean I I I really think that if there is a problem then the neighbors that have cancer or that receive gut cancer or
whatever then they have to follow up on their own to uh have their wells tested if they have wells or have their ground uh source tested to see if anything is seeping underneath uh I mean that is not uh part of this commission's function to
do that kind of work uh so again uh it went off to anyone who might have a jurisdiction and then let them grab the bull by the horns so just trying to be responsible here thank you
um okay a memo received from the board of health we all got that yeah um he works on everybody's day off Friday Saturday Sunday the uh board of health uh
agent um not uh I guess easy uh I mean um here if something happens he's going to call Lisa and Lisa's going to have her phone shut off because they you know
she can't even get five extra hours a week uh why should she have her phone uh open on weekends to uh to take calls uh you know it becomes a problem um we did invite the board of health to our meeting but no one could come the agent
is away i I I suggested to Lisa that uh we just uh uh forward our bylaws to them and say "Hey we have jurisdiction 100 ft if you're not sure if you're not sure where where the wetlands are that's where we come that's our
responsibility." And and uh don't cut us short on three days not give us three days notice when we don't work the same time you do yeah so I think um if if you read through the board of health's new board of health
procedures and policies um that's what we're really referring to right now um but uh also anyway you know it can it can it can work i mean uh but we have to be responsive to each other
um you know they have to be aware that uh hey here's a septic system I you know a request for one um if you don't know uh send an email well um so in place we do have the perk location review that
the conservation commission has been um a part of it for over 25 years um previously we had Charlie doing the reviews and um the form has changed a couple times over the years but most
recently um in the let's see in the fall Barbara Kabia and I brought um amended the the memo and um not memo sorry the application we brought it to the board of health for approval we added um dig
safe number to it um we clarified a couple of things on the form that was confusing and we asked that they also um include a map of where they want to park so that when I go out there so basically how it works is the board of health gets
the application they forward it to me the application includes everything's completed needs to be completed on the application and then um it includes a plan that not just a sketch not a real plan but just a sketch location of where
they want to perk so I can go out and make sure that they're keeping 100 ft away from a wetland 200 feet away from a river they're not in a flood zone and if they are I don't hold up the perk however I tell them you are going to
have to deal with conservation going forward or you're not so that's worked pretty well as long as it works and as long as the communication is there but um we got invited to their board of health meeting this past Tuesday and I
was it was brought up on the agenda that they wanted to modify that application process to eliminate um our review and only have our review when the agent deems necessary but that raises a couple
red flags as me and Jim were talking about because technically we determine what the presence of wetland not them so how would that work and we've already ran into some situations yeah we've had
a lot of issues that's why these people are into trouble because we weren't notified in 2016 that their house had a building permit and the house went or a perk or a perk right you know uh and and
uh this is where the problems are so now he's suffering with problems and there's houses like that scattered throughout the town um uh that are in areas there's garages and barns and awesome a lot of buildings like that but especially
septic systems that are going to bubble up and flood out and then there's no room to to put new ones or Right so it's you know we're not going to review the design of the septic system but we need to be included because as you know we regulate land within 100 feet of a
wetland 200 feet of a river or in a flood zone so um they've asked that I I asked them to table that item for um editing that perk location review application and they have tabled it
which I was very grateful they did that because um I sent an email I'm sure you guys saw it that you know we believe that this is an important part of the process to let people know ahead of time so it doesn't come up later on and it's a big surprise guys you know and like
we're you know we're still getting them like this fellow here tonight he's saying "My house shouldn't have been built there." Uh yeah well how come we didn't know about it back then you could it's just like No that was 16 years ago
10 years ago no it was Yeah 10 nine um but I mean look at look at what it Rebecca wrote mhm you know what I mean it's You got to put up with it because that's what it was yep well and it's also access to the site
for the perk and for the septic system because a lot of times they're not thinking about the access they're just trying to figure out if they can add another lot right so I mean look at 833 Williams we had a major problem over there m it it dragged on longer than it
should have but they didn't flag all the wetlands they didn't think they needed to deal with us um and they ended up losing a lot and then they ended up designing a septic system and having to
move the septic system and then they all right and then what and they sold the house oh and now this you know so the property and in fact that one for for example they left the perk area a real mess and
that's in the buffer zone so that would have been eliminated if I was part of that review but I wasn't at the time because someone was the the board of health director well you know and what happened that verbally said they didn't think that I
should have the conservation should have to review perks um so you know I think we need to go someone needs to go to the next meeting or I mean it doesn't sound like they're going to be able to come to ours the meeting is via Zoom too so that's great
um the next meeting see I wrote it down here wrote it on the other calendar let's see does anybody want to go besides me when is it huh that I'm
getting there um okay may 20th at 400 p.m may 20th yes 400 PM um let me make sure yeah 20th at 4 PM i already had it on here
wow that's that's uh a month that's a whole Yeah full month okay all right but in the meantime you know um there's plenty of time to decide so I guess the only other question is you know you know maybe the concern is that there's a they
charge a fee but I think we we actually have a fee we have a $50 fee do we want to eliminate that fee um to make it more appealing for someone to say we wanna you know
um make it easier for a perk they look forward to getting that fee yeah I I think we should eliminate the fee well think talk about eliminating the fee but Okay but you can do it at I'd like I don't want to change the
bylaw we we just won't push the issue well it's not because there's a difference between a single homeowner and and a developer with uh 50 houses and they're going to call you out over
and over and over again you're going to keep record of of who is is requiring you and we we always I always have I have a file no but I meant for for uh if they have you come out too many times to a site they get charged
well no the fee is part of the uh perk application form it's separate than an RDA or anything like that okay all right can we make it just the first visit well it's only one fee it's Yeah yeah what
I'm saying we won't push it for the first visit but if you're going to go you know repetitively because they they didn't do anything and they say "Oh I'm all ready." And you go out there and there's no flags there's no nothing and you and you have to go for nothing yeah
so I maybe we just keep the $50 fee then because that would get kind of cumbersome cumbersome to who's going to manage that process well that would go into the revolving account yeah well right now it there is a separate line item for perks i guess we need to find
out from Paul if that's already going into a revolving Yeah account but anyways yeah so it was good we discussed these procedures and policies um
okay are we all set then for tonight i am okay uh is there a motion to adjurnn motion to adjurnn i'll second seconded by Ael all in favor i I our
next meeting is May 15th okay we didn't say it enough okay now are we off the air