All right. Good evening everybody. I'm going to call to meeting the regular monthly meeting of the Gen Conservation Commission. Today is Thursday, June 26th, 2025. This meeting is being held in person only. It is not a hybrid meeting. It is
being held at the Council on Aging which is 1059 Somerset A in Don, Massachusetts. This is a public meeting which is being video and audio recorded for cable broadcast and internet posting on www.dyon-mma.gov and the town of Dyon YouTube channel. Uh
the agenda items that will be the item the items that will be covered tonight are listed on the agenda and the committee may the commission may discuss other items not listed on the agenda to the extent allowed by law. Would you please stand and join me for the pledge
of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Moving to our first hearing of the
evening is a notice of intent application for Carl Rebello of Belfarm Estates LLC at 0 Milk Street and Zero Council Oak Way, Map 17, lots 109, 135, and 208, Mass D file number SE017-0520.
Uh, Lisa, am I correct that they requested a continuence? Correct. All right. So, they've put in a request for continuance. I'd like to entertain a motion for a request to continue until our July meeting. So moved. Motion made. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I I just realized Bob Rigo never came in. What's the July date? Uh the July date is the third Thursday of the month, which is going to be July 17th.
Oh, he's trying to get up. Is it locked? It was locked. Yeah. Oh, we don't know how to unlock it, I guess. Sorry. Excuse me. The low key wasn't there, but I think they can. All right, we'll continue to our next
hearing which is a notice of intent application for TNA realy trust to Antonio Almea trustee Almea Ridge residential subdivision to construct roadway storm water infiltration bases associated gra and utilities at 0 William Street map 21
lot 20 m file number SE017-0522 that's my for Bob environmental engineering project. Good evening, Bob. Would you please be uh kind enough to stand,
but um I say before you go on, if everyone could just make sure they sign in after after Bob's done. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um I believe we've been in front of the commission a couple times in this
project at least twice, maybe three times and um we're at a point now we're far along. We've been through the planning board. We received addressed all their final comments. Everything seems good to go. Last time we were in we had submitted some plans. They
reviewed by Wesley and Samson. Uh we reviewed uh their their comment letter, their peer peer review letter. made a few responses to that which I'll go over which I believe you address those all fairly easily. Um so tonight we're here looking hopefully to close it and to
move forward. Um the Westman Samson uh peer review letter included uh many of the same comments that were addressed in the in the planning board comments. Um one big comment they had which kind of we had
sent to the plane board but the revised clock wasn't off with a we had done some soil testing in infiltration basins. Um that testing was sent to laboratory reported the wrong soil types. So we used the wrong soil types initially for our calculation of
infiltration in our basins. Um West and Simpson picked up that error. So we adjusted that which required no changes to the basins but it did require minor changes to our storm water calculations. So we made those changes and um to to
the storm water report really and they're reflected on these plans and the plans that have been uh resubmitted to you. Um another comment that just required addressing was the um apologize for not having easel in here.
No, we we apologize for not having Okay. Can I give you a hand getting these on there? Yeah. I'm just going to put one up and it's going to be quick. Okay, there we go. All right. Um this basin up here in the front see this is William Street.
There's a small uh wetland resource area that connects across the street by a culvert. Um we originally had proposed just some minor um grading within the 25 ft buffer. No touch buffer was just the the the toe of
the slope. We've um based the comment from Washington s pulled that out. So there's zero grading now within that 25T buffer and the 25 ft no disturbance is completely maintained. And then the last and final comment
which required us to just address but really wasn't a change was the um question how we delineated the uh proper zone to the um this is a potential rental pool which we're treating as if it were a rental pool. There's also a second one on the property which we're
treating the same way. Um, so we had shown, we didn't originally show this light lighter pink color, but we do have a 100 foot buffer to that verna pool, which is a vernal pool resource area under your bylaw. And then we have a 25 ft no touch on top of that, and then the
100 foot. So our the original plans that were submitted to did include the same exact 100 foot buffer zone, same exact 50, same exact 25. It just did not include the 100 foot resource area. So that 100 copper is from the ground pool area and it's also well beyond what
would be from the border vegetable and um I believe that was it for any comments of substance that uh that we got back from um from our peer review consultant is here. Okay. So he has a presentation as well.
Okay. Sure. Yeah. So, um I mean like I said, we didn't require many changes. We've been in a couple of times um opened up, get it closed out if possible. Well, let's hear what um was now that
they've reviewed this. Um actually, I don't believe they have reviewed that. Okay. So, so our comments are going to be related to the original review, but I'll try and justify what Bob was saying. Okay.
Um, my name is Jim Rearden. I'm from Weston and Samson. Um, team leader for uh for the peer review projects that we do for Weston and Samson. Thank you all for having us here tonight. So, materials reviewed uh included the
NOI filing for March 17th. Um the storm water management report for March 25, the operations and maintenance plan uh long-term so that's for storm water again for March 25 and plan set entitled
the definitive subdivision um should say Alita Ridge uh which included 24 sheets also from March 25. This is the approximate location of the property that we're talking about. And these uh these sheets were obviously
excerpted from the flames that we received. This is the project site. You can see a couple of parts here. All right. So, technical comments. I'll try and like I said summarize these and
uh correct for anything that Bob mentioned. Uh and again we haven't reviewed those materials yet so we'll need to take a look at those. I'm assuming the board wants us to do that or the commission I should say. Um the applicant should clarify the magnitude of impacts in square feet in the upper
zone so that the the applicant should also clarify any vegetation or tree clearing um as it is proposed and if so how much within the buffer zone can I just interject as you're going in not but we we added that to the
narrative so that so that's been addressed that's been addressed we sent a revised narrative which included those numbers. All right. Yeah. And if you No, that's okay. If you if you want to um uh address items that were included in the narrative as we go through that, that's
helpful. Yeah. So, the permit plan should be revised to correctly show the local buffer zone to the pools. I know you were just discussing that. Uh the project does not comply with the local 25- ft no disturb zone and the applicant should address this. I think you talked
about that. That's at front base and you still grading. The applicant should clarify if the work is taking place between um the BBW series A and D uh existing raised uh walking path between the wetlands next to the vernal pool.
Can I quickly address? Yeah, that that path that he's discussing was a um path that goes over the top of a water line back probably 15 20 years ago. They extended the line from William Street over to the Abiding project to Hunter Hillment when they put that water line and they
installed the path. So the path got shown as an existing gravel. So no work. It's going to m be maintained as a existing. Yeah. It's not even our job to maintain it, but Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, let's see. The applicant should
clarify what erosion control would be used. I I clarified that in the plan. I was more specific to to say a 12 in mulch field. Um, so uh the commission may wish to require only native plantings within their
jurisdiction on the site as some plants proposed on the planting plan are updated. Yeah, we we had proposed street trees, some like Zola, which are non-native mass plants. We I've changed it. The only thing that we do now show the list that are native plants to Massachusetts tree species. I haven't
had a chance to look at that yet, but yeah, it's just the there's like six or seven street tree species that we suggested. I did double triple check they all Massachusett species. Uh some additional comments here. The
commission may wish to include the following conditions in the order of conditions. Um approval for the roadways, utilities and storm water infrastructure shown on the plan set. Permit applications for residential structures uh slashdevelopment of the
residential lots will need to be submitted under separate NOIs uh for the commission's review. Um a copy of the SWIP, so the storm water pollution prevention plan once it's prepared uh be sent to the
commission for their records. native uh plantings within the conservation commission jurisdiction. We're just talking about that, of course. Okay. And then there are a couple of I want to make sure I didn't skip something. Yeah. Uh there are a couple
of storm water comments here as well. So this is standard three which has to do with recharge with storm water and having the adequate amount of recharge so that you're not losing groundwater flow and so on. Um basically under this standard additional test pitch should
technically be performed. Um additionally in reviewing the storm water calculations it was noted that the engineer was taking the approach of using infiltration rates. I know you were just talking about this a moment ago related to the soil types and that you revised that. So um if the
commission would like us to I think it might make sense for us to take a look at that. Um, issues were also raised during the planning board review and are outlined in the peerreview letter. Um, we recommend that the engineer address these issues. For the issue regarding the need for additional test pits, the
board could elect at its discretion uh to allow the engineer to perform confirmatory tests, confirmatory tests, excuse me, uh, prior to construction for review as a condition of approval. Standard 10 has to do with elicit storm
water u management systems and that they're prohibit prohibited. I think that you guys sent us um uh form but it just wasn't signed. Oh, okay. Yeah, we can. And uh that that's the end of our
uh there any questions from the commission for Mr. Ruben? Lisa, any questions? Um, I so you said that the the you think that it was possibly already addressed the storm water issues, correct? I think the
storm water well he described them as being addressed except for the test kits. Can we open it up and and see if um the chair the chairman of the storm water committee Oh, absolutely. I I did have a question before. Um
I know that there was an issue with the laboratory who had initially provided the wrong soils. Did you say that Western Sam has not had the opportunity to review the updated information? Yeah, it was just me changing from one soil
from sanding room to sand and adding that to the trans. Like I said, it didn't even change the size of the base. We're using Stanish P standard published rates through the nasty stormwater handbook, the walls in there. So, it's
it's really a simple change that that that was addressed and stamped by me, a professional engineering of course correctly. So, I don't it seems to me excessive to require additional review of that one comment, but that's the decision is up to you. It's only the
only difference is there's a little bit more loom than what they thought. Yeah, there's a little there's a higher percent of silt when they when they didn't subtract out the right initial amount of so it's more sand. It's more slightly more fine material silt. It
resulted in a in a finer type so a slower rate. So we we changed that infiltration rate in the drainage calculations which were done and it still without changing the size of the basin grading outlet control structures anything it still worked perfectly fine.
Now Mr. Re if I may um in your experience is there a possibility that this differentiation between the types of soils can have a material impact of the the drainage? It can. Yeah it's possible. Um, and I'm not uh I'm not refuting what uh Mr. Rio is saying. No,
no. C, certainly I I completely understand. I just feel that um when it's the matter of a uh subdivision that's fairly close to the resource area, my initial impulse is to measure twice and cut once, but I'd like to really hear what what others have to
think about it. And um as Lisa mentioned, the chair of the storm water committee is with us this evening. Nancy, did you have any input on this filing? Uh I'm sorry I was late. Are we talking Alia? Yes. Yes. Um there were a number of waiverss requested and the
planning board forwarded them to the stormwater committee and today Mr. Ferry and I finished that up and I responded to all of those on behalf of the stormwater committee. Uh so I'm not going to discuss those tonight because um planning board needs to act on them
first and I'm sure they will share them. Um, one of the questions I had was in reading just through the waiverss, uh, are you aware that the town has its own storm water bylaw and regulations? I am. Yes. Have you read them? Yes, I have. You realize those are based on the
EPA standards. Do you realize that the EPA has uh, privacy for storm water in Massachusetts, not the D? Our bylaw and regs are based on what the EPA requires. So all I would say to you
is when the waiver responses are uh discussed by the planning board, you may find that our response is more restrictive than the mass D handbook and that's why I asked the question if you're aware of what our rigs were. Uh
so again I'm sure they will share it at the appropriate time. Uh but I do remember there were some issues in there that we saw that we questioned. Okay. I I I'm I'm US EPA has control over storm water
manage MS4 storm management which is a municipal and typically not I'm familiar with that I file of those I know yeah so typically not residential projects typically it's the mass DP storm water management standards which are the the things that are the problem is we know
that post construction management in the D handbook is not in line with what the de the EPA requested well over two years ago. And the reason I know that is because uh 50%
of the communities in this state accepted and referred to the D standards. Yeah. And we are in violation too, right? Which is one of the reasons why we have Weston and Samson uh and engineering crew going through all our bylaws and stuff to bring us into line
so we don't get fined. But okay, I I would have to see your comments because I'm again I I'm not here to discuss what Mr. Ferry who's the highway superintendent and I put together in discussing it. I'm sure it will be shared. I just one of my questions in
there is the developer aware that the town has its own bylaws and rents and did they read them? Because in what I've read, I only saw Clean Water Act once and that struck me as odd because Clean Water Act is as powerful as the wetlands
protection act. So I'm glad to know that you have looked at them, but I will leave it up to the planning board relative to discussing those responses. Thank you. Thank you very much, Nancy. Thank you, Nancy. Um, does anybody else have any um any questions on the
commission? Um, I'll open it up to public commentary if there's any uh questions from the public, but please be advised and this will stand for any filings tonight where we do take public input. This is the conservation commission. We deal with wetland matters and uh natural heritage uh protected
wildlife areas. We have a particular jurisdiction, so we're not the zoning board. We're not the planning board. Um, so if anybody has any particular questions for either engineer that pertains specifically to conservation issues, I'll entertain any questions
from uh the audience tonight. Okay. Hearing hearing none, um, I'll open it up to the commission again for discussion. Um, what are we uh any thoughts on what you would like to see? Well, I was uh I was thinking about the
the materials in the base. Uh maybe we ought to basically have them uh tested because apparently it sounded like they wanted to slow down the the rate of penetration and the basin. U is that is that going
to happen? Is that going to comply? And you know is do you do a civ analysis on that? That that's that's that's that was what the question. So I was out there I was a soil evaluator. I've done those test pits plus many many many others on the site that confirms it to be very
consistent. I when I did the soil evaluation I had it as a particular soil type. I believe it was sandy in one of the basins and sand in the other basin. We sent it to we took samples from the same test pits, sent them to a laboratory for s hydrometer analysis.
They ran the analysis but they reported the results incorrectly. So they didn't match what I had in the field. I said, "Oh, I was off a little bit in the field, but I was not." I've since adjusted those calculations to be correct. And so they were based on civ
analysis, weight of the soil after it went through a civ. And we do have civ analysis three two tests in one basin and another in the in the third basin that um identifies the soil type and again I made that determination as a
soil evaluator while we were excavating the test pit. So, and beyond those tests, those three, I've done at least 20 on the site in the vicinity that it's very consistent soils that um they're they're compatible in. Yeah, they're
compatible. It's not like you dig one area and it's different. That's why we put it there. We put those basins at the lower points of the site, which um you know, are consistently so we found through. I think it would be necessary to have
Weston and Samson on site to do some project management work when this is being built. What What does that mean? Oversight of the the building of the basins to make sure that everyone So what do they do?
They they look at the soils when we're digging the holes. Correct. What what do you typically do in that case when you um in a case like that? We would Yeah. We would observe the
excavation occurring and um we'd make sure that the basin was being put in in accordance with the planet. We've had some trouble in town with basins being installed on commercial sites. So now we're a little shy of
basins. Sure. And I I would say my feeling is that the the lab reporting the incorrect results is certainly not your fault in any way. Um, but given the close proximity, I know you pulled it back from the no touch zone, which I'm grateful for, but given the very close
proximity and the differentiation in the soil types and the fact that our peerreview consultant has said that there's a possibility that that differentiation could have a material impact on the drainage. Uh, that's I I personally have a degree
of apprehension. I don't know what the rest of the commission feels. Um, but I'll ask again if there's any further discussion and then if not then we'll entertain a motion. Just just so you know, I I made I responded to those comments within days of receiving them,
maybe two days, and get them back in with hopes that we could close them up. It's been going on for a long time and just trying to get closer to the project. I'd be fine to continue. I'd prefer not to. Like I said, those drainage calculations, I did the initial ones, stamped them as professional
damage. They were reviewed. they were okay except for the soil types. I made the change with a simple soil type infiltration rate um and reran the calculations. So it's it's a very simple operation that is but if you prefer to
have a second I I think he's right in that respect. Uh but I also agree with Lisa. We should probably have a little oversight just in the basin itself and the materials that are in there this way here. We could
probably close things out. Lisa, could that be conditioned? Yeah, definitely. Um I don't know. Do we need a bond? Do we need some sort of a bond or some sort of a I think we need an estimate
from them for that. Correct. I think we could close it. Well, let's think about this. I mean, The planning board typically has oversight requirements for the subdivision. So, I'm not sure how to how the two could be mixed. Yeah, it would have, but there will be bonds and
there will be I don't know about bonds, but there'll be there there Well, these guys need to get paid. Yeah, they'll be funded. There'll be an account for review that's funded and you can do the same thing here. We're fine with that. We're fine with that. Is there a project bond or a road bond required on this
job? I there probably won't be typically that typically if they plan not to finish construction or or look at lease lots before the the then they bond the road for for its completion. Um but I I'm un
sure how this one will work, but there'll certainly be oversight requirements by the planning board for inspections. Does the town require a road bond when the project is I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. So that would come under his road bond
anyhow if that's the case. Nancy uh I know that um Alita State heads I mean Alita Ridge has made several requests to meet with the storm water committee and I just wanted to assure you we're not putting you off.
However, the con and planning board are the uh first contacts so to speak. So to meet with you before they resolve all of their issues, uh there would be time wasted because once we know what they do
and we've responded to the inquiries for the waiverss, uh in the end when planning is uh all set and climb is all set, we will be in touch with you uh to make a brief presentation at a storm water committee meeting just so that the
full committee is up to speed. Uh but again by then waiver requests will be have uh reviewed and waiver requests that specifically relate to storm water committee will be acted on and we will certainly have you present uh when that
discussion takes place relative to inspections and test holes and um basins and pits everything that collects water. I absolutely hope there will be professional oversight for test holes,
for basin construction. I think most town officials know the history of a project that finally got approved at town meeting in June that has been around since the 2018. And the hold up was repeatedly basins,
basins, basins, and more test tolls. And unfortunately, we no longer have a storm water agent who has a PE. Uh so absolutely um when a proposal is put together to provide that kind of service to the town, I certainly
want uh storm water considerations and I'm sure they will because Mr. Ren has worked on other projects including the one that was the nightmare. Um, so I just wanted to make sure that uh the requirements of storm water for inspection uh are followed and we're
included. And as uh Lisa said, uh we don't want more nightmares and this is not a criticism of any project that is before you now. But as I said, as town officials, you know the history I'm talking about. So thank you. Thank you. I I echo Nancy sentiment wholeheartedly.
Um is there a motion on this filing? I'll make a motion to basically uh close it out with the given restrictions. Is that is that a motion to approve with conditions? Approve with petition. All right. Motion made. Is there a second?
I'll second it. Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? I I and I. Thank you very Thank you. All right. So, now we're moving into the notice of intent application for zero
Elm Street LLC at 2231 Elm Street. Map lot map 20 lot 84-4 to construct a storage building with associated drainage, parking lot, grading, and landscaping. A portion of the work falls within the buffer zone to a BDW mass DP file number SE017-0523.
Good evening. Uh for the record, Nile Museum Consulting Engineers. Um I emailed all these plans um to board members uh previously, but I also wanted to give you some hard copies. Oh, thank you. along with this respon with our
response letter. Um yeah, they each have one Um so rule before the commission um previously this project and at that time we were still waiting on uh we were still waiting on comments
from West um and we were addressing uh comments made by the uh western planning board. We've since been back to the planning board um plan board um and I don't speak
on the behalf, but um they were generally in favor uh of where things were. The chair uh chairman had reviewed the comments. Our responses and was in agreement with them. Um they were essentially going to approve it that night, but they held off until the
commission had a chance to go through it and they wanted to make sure that the conservation commission was in agreement with agreement with what they had before them uh before you before uh making a final decision. Their meeting I believe is it's somewhere towards the end of
July. Um and so that's the next meeting with the with the uh board. Um, so that's essentially how how we got here. Um, I don't want to bore you with all the details of the letter. Um, there
honestly, as far as the plan changes go, there was no major changes at all to the plan. Um, the real only major change that we made to storm water. uh western and and rightfully so had picked up on a
um regulation on our storm on our um underground self-service drainage uh that we provided. Um that was really where our major change was. Um they had found an area where we were not complying with the twoft separation of water table. Um one side we were and
there was a higher end where we weren't were not. So we reconfigured that and we also resized it because we did not have s there's a requirement that required 65% of your um area of your impervious needs to be directed towards the storm
water uh facility and recharge. So we reconfigured um the area made that area larger. Um the chairman for the planning board reviewed that and was in agreement with it. Um so that was really that's all within the parking lot area. um the
constructed storm water uh basin um that is proposed did not change at all. Um so none of that the limit of work uh as far as conservation goes didn't change. So there were really no major changes at all um from that. Um they did mention
that they would like to see or they that the commission would could ask for an extension of either uh guard rail or boulder wall um which we are completely in agreement with. Um if the commission so chooses it could just be recommended
in our letter that could be a condition of the approval. Um that was really about it. I know you your representative from west is here. I'll let him, you know, talk about it a little bit more. But, um, generally speaking, um, those were the, uh, kind of major, uh, things
that were brought up in the letter and, uh, be happy to answer any questions that you have after you hear differently. Perfect. Thank you very much. Now, now, Jim, as as you present, um, if Miles has input regarding any specific, are you open to Certainly? Yeah. You don't mind? Oh, of course.
Yeah, of course. Yeah. I'm sorry. No worries. this. All right. So, um, so as before, I'll try and go through and, uh, and elaborate with, uh, with the comments that we received and Alice's
presentation a moment ago. So 231 Elm Street, of course. Um these are the materials that we reviewed um thus far. I know there's some new materials that have come in. We haven't had a chance to look at those
yet. Um most of these are from Kate or thereabout and they included the normal materials. you know, notice of intent application, the site plan, storage facility uh plan, 21-day uh waiver, and
uh storm water management report. This is the location of the site we're talking about. Uh here's a little bit more of a closeup on it. So this is existing conditions or I'm sorry this is proposed conditions
technical comments um regarding the uh wetlands protection act. The applicant should clarify alternatives considered for the location of the proposed work to minimize the impacts to the resource areas. Um the project does not propose any plantings within the buffer zone.
The commission may wish to require native plants um within their jurisdiction to enhance the buffer zone. I think you addressed that correct. So that really we left that open to the commission. Um that's really one of those things where so I can tell you um
we did as I mentioned in the last presentation we did the building. Now this is a fairly large site um as the commission is probably aware we did we mimicked this building from a building that was done to the north of this um which had buffer zone impact as well. Um
it's almost exactly the same layout. Um, we did not provide any plantings in that. Um, the commission did not require it, so we did not propose it. Um, we're open to suggestions if the commission would like to see something. But that being said, that's that's kind of where
we stand is we mimic the the last proposal. I think at a minimum, maybe some native ground cover is what I was thinking. Maybe not trees, but some ground cover. Yeah. We're we're amenable to that. Condition, something that for
sure. If I recall, the layout of the site would make anything much larger than that fairly cumbersome to plant, right? That's correct. Yes, that's what I thought, especially with the slopes. Uh, you know, and it's a it's a it is a
glacial tail type soils. Um, so on those slopes, they're going to really withstand. Um, so yeah, and again, we kept the the limited work as tight as possible. Um, so and if anybody, you know, if you see the one that was done on the site, they've done a really good job in keeping it
pretty well. Um, you know, within a little bit of work and it looks it does look actually really nice. Um, well, just to piggy back on it, I think maybe the way they've planted it now is mostly grass, right? So, there's probably a lot of maintenance, but I
think if we could incorporate some pollinators, so maybe cut it twice a year instead of like every week into it, even if it's just in the middle between the two buildings or something, it might be It might go a long way. That's and it
would be cheaper than trees, right? Well, that's a shot. All right. Um, the applicant should clarify if dewatering is taking place and if so, where I think there was a deatering detail. There is. It's if necessary. Um, it's really going to I
think it's going to depend on the time of year. Um, if it's like I did. So, as you're probably familiar with the site, from the high end of the site to the low end of the site, it's about 100 foot elevation change, and the the water table basically rides that 2 foot to 3T
uh grade below surface. Um, and it does drain really well because of that slope. That being said, if it's in the summer, it's going to be there's probably not going to be any requirement for dewatering. If we're doing it more in the spring or fall, um there may be and
we again we provided a detail for it um that the contractor will use uh you know to mitigate that any dewatering that needs to be need to occur. The thing the thing that we would request and we already did it is indicate locations on the site where the dewatering will occur
if you need to. Yeah, absolutely. uh applicant should clarify if tree removal is proposed and if so how much in each resource area. Yes. So the the limit of clearing um essentially follows the uh self um and erosion control um
and but the deep the tree limit has been uh shown on the plan. So we do have that on this. Um commission may consider requesting the guard rail be extended. We were just talking about that. This is this is the area with the guardrail current. It may
have changed in the plane site you just provided, but currently uh stops here and we kind of recommended going around. They used um so on the one next door they actually used big boulders uh and uh it worked really well. Um so that was
uh probably what they're going to do and it's a very good amount of them on site so it's fairly easy to get them. Um yeah yeah yeah. So they they are obviously effective. Um so that that was that would most likely be what would be uh used on site. Great.
Well, I'm fine with that. Yeah, that's great. Um one thing while you have this photo up, um I don't know if you're aware, but like we can't allow dumpsters within 100 ft of a wetland per D. So
we're asking that maybe Jim and I talked about this yesterday, maybe you could move it Um maybe like yeah up there or around the corner. Okay. Can we condition that? That be something that could be condition. We give you a revised plan. I was not aware
of that require there's a requirement that since you can't have a dumpster within 100 ft. Yeah. Which is going to be problematic when if the town's um if the town's um new trash rules change
and people have dumpsters. There is no talk of private hauling at this time that I've heard of. Just if that assuages any concerns, that is not currently in discussion at any level that I know of. Great.
Um, next item. Commission may wish to require salt sock be installed between the limit of work in the wetland resource area along the entire the entire eastern portion of the site. So the salt silt socks stop us here that it
made sense to um to include along the edge there keeping anything out of the wetland. Yeah, we're we're open to that. It generally it kind of grades the it kind of grades in that area anyway. We have no problem with extending that. That's not a problem at all. Okay, great. And uh the applicant should
clarify uh if there are alternative locations where snow storage could take place outside of the resource areas. I forget exactly where it was shown here, but right there. So, um I don't know if that could move up that way, too. So,
that's going to again there's a swale there, so it's going to melt and it's going to go through the storm water basin anyway. Um so, I'm not as concerned about that. I know I know generally you try to keep it um you try to keep it outside of the buffer zone, but generally speaking, that's kind of
where it's going to get pushed is at the end there. Um and then this Actually, I have my response here. Can you show me where that's right? Yeah, hold on a second. Hold on a second. I apologize. I was trying to find
I know you're going to address it, but just a couple of quick things. So, I know that the snow storage area is here. The snow storage, the snow's likely to have like a lot of salt in them and stuff like that. Um, there's a catch basin here, and I'm assuming that flows
down this way. If it flows into the storm water system, it's probably okay. Um, but the way this is set up, this is kind of on high ground and down here it might end up flowing into the uh the wetland because the snow storage area
looks to be a little bit below grade of the catchway. Yeah. So, this is this is the swale here. This is the snow storage and then this is going to get collected. Uh, this is gonna so this is going to kind of go this way. Um, so what we're saying is that's downgradient. Um or so
how I'll tell you how we responded to it. While the snow storage is shown within the buffer zone, it is downgrade of the wetland within the proposed swale. The snow melt will flow through the swale toward the previously constructed pocket wetland basin to the south uh to excuse me to the north which
is so it's going to go here and then it's going to get back in and it's going to go which this is collected to the other pocket wetland um on the other site. So again, we agree that uh with the comment that snow storage is not typically put within the buffer zone,
but this is where it just made most sense. So it's not going to go towards the front of the site. What's that? The snow storage wouldn't go towards Elm Street. Some of it will. Some of it may. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But you can't plow from a backup forward, right? You're
going to make yourself a path. So maybe it will melt and go under the driveway and a culvert. So, I mean, some of it may I mean, I guess I'm on the I'm I'm in the mindset of the salt. I'd rather have
the salt going to the drainage basin than into the wetland somehow, however we however that needs to happen. I mean, it's going to be filtered a lot through that that water through that grass swale. Um, so that's that's kind of the idea. Um, you know,
that was kind of a that was kind of our thought process with it, but we're open to suggestions. Um, if the commission has any, does anyone on the commission have any questions for Jim at this point in the presentation or going
uh standard three uh having to do with the recharge again. So the engineers provided underground recharge chambers and we offer the following comments. I think you already uh you may have addressed these in the letter. We haven't reviewed them yet. Yes sir. Um
uh only a portion of the impervious site uh runoff is directed to chambers and it consists of less than 65% of the site which is the D requirement. Um and so uh so the basic gist of this
comment was um to uh to add to the flow off of the uh imperous surface um into uh into an infiltration basin. And I think in the letter that we reviewed, we did review it just fairly
quickly. Yes. That that you said that you would address that. Yeah, we re that was kind of one of the things I mentioned at the beginning of the present electification is that we reconfigured the subsurface uh recharge system not only to relocate it to get it over 2 foot separation of
water 2 over put separation of the water table as well as reconfigure it to get uh 65% or more of that area into it. So that was reconfigured um in in a new design. Yes. Okay. And then this is a
related comment um that the engineers claim that the standard only needs to be met to the maximum extent practical practicable because the site is typing soils. Um but the test pits showed different soil. Yeah, we so we see it as
so I have a response to that and I know that Jared had reviewed our response. Um our understanding is I mean these are really compact sandy looms uh very tight they very little infiltration. Um we've always we've always gone with the idea
that uh sandy loom especially in this case is is a CC D soil and that's what the soil maps show as well. Um so that's what we designed it based off of. um these with these these parks I mean these uh soils are not conducive to
infiltration very well at all. So um that's what we used as our basis for that excuse me next one is uh separation of seasonal high ground water could it be verified at the location of the infiltration station? We so there was um
uh soils done. I mean we we're right around two and a half or three foot of separate two two and a half to three foot below grade everywhere on the site. I mean it's a fairly large site everywhere dug. That's that's where we're at. So we held 2 and 1/2 ft. Um which is very conservative of what we
had found and that's what we did. So and we had holes right you know fairly close just not right in it. Um, so that it was that's what we held and most of it is a fill uh where we're doing this. So it's way above it and that but there were and
as Mr. Ren um may mention in the next comment um and I mentioned is the twoft separation. We did not meet it in one portion of we did relocate it uh to meet that requirement. So um yeah that that's that's where we stand with that.
uh standard standard cell uh seven, excuse me, redevelopment project and proposed project is redevelopment budget. So that one believe that one was set. Yeah, project meets the standards. Uh
standard nine is the long-term operation and maintenance plan. Um you folks have provided one. Uh further clarification may be required in the plan as to how the underground under underground chambers will be maintained. Uh per
other comments further above and we recommend that the engineer address this. Uh standard 10 has to do with the elicit discharges of the storm water management system and that they're prohibitive. Um I think you guys provided the form that just been signed. Yeah, I believe it's taking care of
this. Thank you. So, you did provide a signed assigned. Okay. I have a question. Um, so the um hay bale checks, did you replace those with the straw bale ones and where are
those? And um cuz they're not on You don't have a detail, but Weston and Samson noted that you had hay bale check hands. I was trying to find them on the plants. I I don't think we actually do. Um the response letter does state that
there no objection to the request if the commission wants to use drops. Yeah. So can I just addition? Of course. Absolutely. I thought maybe we might have the check dams along the road, but that would be No, that would be the only If anything, we would have them in the
water in the grass swale. Um but I don't even think we did that. Um, no. I I don't believe that we had any, but I I could be wrong. Well, we'll just I'll just condition it that if you need them. Um, absolutely. Well, we're absolutely uh in favor of
that. And then what about the dewatering? We can condition that. Um, just be placed outside the 100 foot buffer. Yeah, absolutely. Was there anything else you guys could think of? I did have one other question. There's a question for you, Miles. I
believe that in the letter, I think I saw earlier that um in terms of all the sighting, which I'm not proposing, but um that the applicant preferred not to explore that because they wanted to maintain the rest of the site potential
future development. Is that right? That is correct. And since we are doing some cutting in the buffer zone um is the planned potential future development is that in a resource area to your knowledge or as of right now no the the so if you're
familiar with the site the subtly portion uh which is much higher beginning shows the locus I can show it on America. So this is the existing conditions of the obviously showing the whole site. Here's Elm Street. Here's the resource
area. Here you have the 100 foot buffer and wrapping all around. Um the site slopes from drive to the north um down Elm Street and along the property line here perpendicular this way. Um like I
said before there's about 100t elevation change from here to here. Um the original the first building that was uh permitted and constructed um is located in this area here. The new building is located that we're in uh far in front of
you now is in this location here. And then the remaining land, obviously there's the rest of it, but um that would be worked on if ever um is in this area here. Looks well outside. Yes. If there were to be work within the
resource area, within the buffer zone, I I would foresee it as being maybe storm water uh facilities, something like that, kind of similar to the the situation that we have for you now. Maybe some grading um but nothing of major impact. Um, so it is a very good
question. Um, and that is as of right now there's no proposal and my client actually wishes he's I don't know if I mentioned this at the last meeting, but I did at the planning board meeting for sure. Um, Mr. Eman owns a fairly large plumbing supply company. He uses this
for um his own his own storage of his own building of his own jobs. Um, and he was so successful with his first one that he decided he needed another one. He's already he already had it over 95% full uh with jobs and now he's realizing
I need more I need more room. So, um it's become very, you know, very, you know, good thing for him. So, um he's doing this to mimic that. Uh but the remainder of the land as of right now is no there's no plan. Gotcha. I just asked
because um I'm accepting of the fact that given the grade of the site that replanting trees is is not practical in certain certain parts of the site. I just didn't want this to be like a death by thousand cuts scenario right to use a pond to you know
do a little bit in the buffer zone and not replant here and then a year later we have another one where we're going to be cutting in the buffer zone with no replacement. I understand completely. Okay. Um I have a question too and then we should open it up for anyone else but um
in the ANRAD process we spoke with Mr. Eman I believe about potential for conservation land here. I don't know if you could just reiterate to him that we still think this would be a great location where if you remember we walked
all when we all walked out there you can see you can see the taunt river you can see across the river depending on the season and just a great spot um very unique the parts even the parts that have been touched in the past are still
um pretty unique ecosystem. So mind if I rephrase it a little bit, Lisa? Go ahead. So if if these facilities are constructed, the his personal property tax is going to go up quite a bit, right? So the conservation commission would love to save him on his tax bill. Second.
Thank you. Thank you. Um is there any um questions or discussion items from the commission before we open it up to the public? The only question I have is the snow plow. um the snow with all the land to the side, why doesn't it just open up a little bit
more to push the snow away from the wetlands? Cuz you got snow and you have salt that's going in the corner and you have so much land to the side of the building. Why are we jamming it all up into one spot that's going to run down
to those wetlands? Oh, yeah. Could you dedicate that? So, whichever area you talking, well, you're going to where you where you're pushing all the snow, you're basically pushing it to the edge of the bank. You if you just look on the side of the land and you made a little
uh you made a spot over there because that saw is going to run guaranteed down that. So, you have all that land to the right of the building to the to the to the south to the south of the building. Mhm. Why don't you just open up more of that land and and push the snow make a little
gull make it I mean I'm a plow so I understand what you're trying to do but I would pull it so snow is you know in in further and uh in the wood he's got a swale there now they're going into a swale now with the drain so yeah
so you think it's all right you think the salt's all right well who says he's going to salt But that's true. You could use the molasses like John does. It works.
Good. I mean, nobody's saying any salt in the salt in the sight. I didn't know that. And it is going into a swale in a drain, so it should be fine. Well, I would imagine. Any other comments or questions from the commission?
I mean, we could also condition it so that you know the best available technology as far as deicing. Yeah, I'm fine with that. You know, I mean, it's, you know, he's not going to he needs to make room for himself. I
mean, obviously, I think this is going to be a hightra area where there's trucks in and out all the time. No, no, definitely not. But we also have to think about the future. It's I don't know. I realize that Lisa, but you know, he's trying to contain that. He's
working on a pretty good slope down there, right? Yeah. If there was anything that was going to change significantly, it would have to come back before the planning board, as you know, for a modification. So, we need to be aware of it. So, if it was going to change from anything but a
warehouse, um it would have to go in front of the plan board for a modification of the site plan. um either by special permit or site plan review by right and it would have to go back in front of the building inspector as the zone even if you just open the land up 30 more feet wide. Oh no no I'm just saying if we because we were talking
about the the the traffic flow usage ever chang the usage of this if the uses change. I'm sorry. Yeah. Any other questions or comments from the commission? All right as as we open it up this is just another friendly reminder that we are not the planning board. We're not
the zoning board. to not deal with with traffic or noise or property values. Uh but if anybody has any um conservation related questions or comments, we'll now um ask the public input. Yes. Yeah. Just from a strong water
perspective, Tommy, by the way, Tommy uses uh molasses and magnesium and he pre-treats also. So that's town wide. That's pretty impressive. That's impressive. Yeah. I never heard it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's been around for a
while. As a matter of fact, Channel 10 actually did a story about his concoction didn't invent it, but Well, Rhode Island could use a little pointers from him. He was on channel 10. They should have watched watched the Yeah. Anyhow, uh
from a storm water perspective, um we're familiar with the first part of the project. Um, and like I told the gentleman from Elmeita, after planning and con everything done and we get the reports in from Weston and Samson, we'll
ask you to come in. I'm sure there's going to be waiverss like the last time and so other than just kind of following where it is, uh, we won't be meeting for a bit, but we will be in touch with you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman, could I move over there and free up the seat? Oh, please, by all means, please. I won't vote. Okay. And like uh Paul said when he made his comments, uh I'm a member of the board of assessants, I'm not here to talk about taxes.
If there's any any further input on this filing, any public input? All right. Um, given that there's no further discussion or commentary, I'll now entertain a motion on this filing. Motion to approve zero uh, Elm Street.
That with conditions. With conditions. With set conditions. All right. There is a motion on the floor. Is there a second? I'll second. Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? I I hopefully I don't take that long.
Thank you very much. Thank you for coming. Thank you very much. Oh, yeah. No. Well, unless Bob wants it. You need All right. Thank you very take care. I'll let you know when the orders are
ready. Thank you. Have a great day. Our next hearing of the night is a continued hearing with a notice of intent for application form Kevin and Alexander Messier at 921 William Street map 8 lot 18-2 to construct an approximately 22x 32 ft studio complete with utilities
sidewalk landscaping as well as to install a 24 ft diameter above ground pool complete with decks, stairs, and utilities. A portion of the work falls within the buffer zone to a BBW mass D file number SP017-0524. Thank you. Bob Barry engineer representing me in
the office. Does anybody have a copy of the plan? We'll take one more for these guys. Okay. The message is live in this house off of William Street. Come down the driveway. The house is located here.
Stockage fence. Is this across from that new the the white new house keeps getting hit? Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know right here. That's so recently we provided with a particular device for the house and
stuff. It was kind of overlooked from years ago and that was taken care of. What they'd like to do now is where the driveway comes in, it pretty much ends here. They have a little garden area here. At the end of the driveway, they'd like to construct a 32 foot by 22 foot
studio. The studio is to be placed 53 feet from the wetland line. I'm showing the 25- ft no touch zone, the 50ft no structure zone. The uh Brandon Fan of Ecosystem
Solutions recently hung the flags. I think Lisa may have gone out there to look at it. Yeah, I did. Dave and I went out. Okay. And after we finalized in April, then they there was talk about putting a pool on their site. So we
talked about that and then we decided to revise the plan and to add a pool, a deck, and some stairs again outside the 50oot no structure zone. We initially filed with conservation with when we filed with the board. We did get a file
number. We got no comments back from the state. And then we sent the revised plan with pool is a state on it with the revised NOI application to D when we sent it back to the town and again
having been a response from D. It's all buffer zone. So yes, it was the same project. So that's where we stand. That's it's lawn pretty much here. We're not planting any trees or any woods or
changing any direction of flow out there on the site. And that's pretty much it. I've got some erosion control. I had originally put it here because the driveway is here and they're going to be doing some excavation. They just keep
the foundation in. I didn't put anything around the pool, but if you want something around the pool, they could also do that, too. All right, that probably good. Yeah, there is a stone wall that's as was there before the house and it's remaining all that's going to just stay there. And this is
all existing area. It's all the lawn area, the tree area. This wall that comes in here, it's pretty much trees back in here. There's actually a driveway that comes in here from the east. There's another house back here, not theirs, but
all this is existing. Yeah, everything's fairly close to the footprint of the existing structure. I believe was there a site visit done? Yeah, David and I were up there. Um I just have a quick couple quick questions about um how much grading will be
required for any of these? I think the studio I was going to just convert off the driveway, right? So they're just going to walk off the driveway and go into the studio. It needs to be accessible because I I want it for my photography business. Uh so to be basically flat flat and if it isn't,
we'll need to worry about some kind of ramp. Uh, so that's that's the plan is going to get as flat off the driveway as possible. And are you going to have to cut for the pool? Cut into the dirt. It's it's an above ground pool. So sometimes when a pool installed, a lot of times you remove the loom in case
there's any rocks, you put like a bed of sand down. Yeah. Just so that it is a hill, so we'll need to excavate Yeah. into that hill that area. And then the other question I have is the pool water. Um, I think if
the commission approves it, we'll likely condition it that you don't release the pool water and you just get it pumped out when you want to get it replace it. So, other than that, I don't have any. Is it a saltwater pool or fresh water? No, it's going to be a traditional
chlorine, just a regular chlorine pool. Yeah, that that was that was echoing Lisa's question. How's the water getting out? as long as that was conditioned that we pump the water out rather than just kind of put it back towards the wetland.
And that only happens when we decide not to use the pool anymore, right? Or Yeah. when you have to empty it or weatherize it. Yeah. And um you said that the studio is going to be be a photography studio. That's cool. the the the reason I I bring it up is because it's it's not
officially been decided yet because the town passed a bylaw at the town meeting gardening accessory dwelling units um or governing accessory dwelling units and it's going it's undergoing review with the attorney general's municipal law unit right now so it's not a binding
law yet but the reason I was asking is because in the event that this was intended to be used or potentially going to be used as an accessory dwelling unit There are exemptions for the replacement of a fan septic tank, but the enlargement of one is not exempt. So, it
could require a filing. So, it was just something that I wanted to put on your radar if there was an intention in the future to use it as an accessory dwelling unit. Just, you know, be aware and do due diligence. But since this sounds like it's for personal use, that kind of invalidates that. I just wanted to bring it up.
Um, does anybody have any um right after I finish saying we're not going to play anymore? Um, anybody have any questions, comments, anything? So, you're basically just going to dig out like 6 in, 8 in, put the slab down, put up for the Yeah, no
big deal. You're just going to remove the dirt from the site. Yeah, I I feel comfortable with this. I would like to see is one of the conditions I would just like to see erosion control around the pool. Um other than that, I don't I don't see any anything else that bothers me. Um and the pool water. Yes. And in
the condition of the pool water being pumped out. Yeah. And typically I don't know if it's going to be a problem for you, but in the conditions I usually um require um no pesticides or herbicides be used on the property. But if that's going to be a problem for you, we try to
say all natural anyway. Yeah. I put it in there like as an ongoing order of conditions. Hopefully the next owners would be as cognizant as you. Sure. All right. Yeah. There's no further discussion. I'd like to entertain a motion on this by motion to
approve notice of intent application for 921 William Street. Is that with conditions? With said conditions. Conditions. Is there a second? I'll second. All right, there's a second. Any discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor? I. Congratulations. Will there be any disturbance between those two areas? This is going to come off and then nothing else.
We were just determining square footage. Yes. Just a question. Um, I just request that the uh engineer's project calculate the area of disturbance and just send that to the storm water committee so we know how
much is going to be disturbed. Bob, would you be kind enough to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. You can contact Nancy through which department? Board of Assessors. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very
much. Thank you. Thanks. Take care. Thanks for coming. Happy night. Our next hearing is review discussion act for a new hearing for a request for determination of applicability from Michael Rodri at 1824th Smith Street, map 14, lot 16-2A
to construct a garage and driveway and associated site grading within the 100 ft buffer zone of an isolated vegetated wetland. Good evening. I'm Brad Fitzger from SFG Engineering, 28 Main Street, Lakeville. I didn't see
So this side is 1824 uh 1824 Smith Street. There's an existing house here. Here's Smith Street. Um the client, you got a wetland in the front here and you've got BBW here and you've got isolated wetland
here. you know, the site. Um, a client wishes to con construct a 35 by 40 foot garage behind his existing house. Currently, the driveway ends at the back of the house. He just wants to expand the driveway up to the garage and and
come out here. He's going to have doors on this side and this side, and he'll have a pedestrian door also on the north side. So, he's looking at a gravel driveway that would just give him enough room to get out and and head back down the
driveway to the street. At its closest point, this garage would be about 103 ft from the IVW and 127 from the BAW in the back. Um, the driveway itself would get to within about 65 ft of the IVW. Other
than that, it's gravel though. It's going to be gravel. Okay. um the existing driveways gravel now and it's just going to stand um very little grading. It's going to just kind of match. There's maybe a foot uh increase right around the garage just
to push run off away from the so it doesn't go into the garage. Other than that, it's u fairly evenly graded. Uh we we are proposing erosion control prior to the start of any work. Uh it will stay in place until everything is um stabilized and the grass is taped. Are
you going to do the filter shocks better? Yes. Yeah, we spec the uh 12 in filter made or equivalent. Perfect. Um the posts and the placers.
Would you mind putting some post and plaque? Is it like a couple along the IVW and then a couple here? Sure. Yeah. Um, you want to pick a like some spots if we do them
offset 26 and 25 or the 25? Yeah, perfect. And then um 29 and 31. or pick pick something. Yeah. 29. Yeah, that'll be good. Um,
do you want I mean, right now it looks like he uses I mean, maybe just put it at the 25 foot. Yeah. Okay. That's what I meant when I said 29. Yeah. Yum. Oops.
No major tree removal for this. Correct. Correct. I know you've been on the site. It might be there's some brush. Might be a small tree or two, but um he had it marked out in the field and it was just
there's a lot of like pushover, you know, maybe some old grading um old trees or stumps or something that just needs to clean up. um to make myself a level base.
But yeah, I didn't see any large trees. I think Nancy is going to ask, but we'll let her do it under public input if anybody else has any any of the commissioners have any questions. Anybody in the commission have any questions, comments, input?
No, I do not. No, I don't. Uh Nancy, did you have any comments you'd like to offer on this? Again, just a calculation of the total area of land disturbance about 0.15 acres. Okay. I need that in writing, please. Okay. Uh and uh if you just put Nancy Gulot
stormwater committee and either drop it off or send it uh to the U board of assessor's office. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. Does anybody else have any questions, comments, or input on this? Um yeah, I just wanted to also note
inside the U BBW there are streams. So I mean I don't want you you're all you're already going to modify it for the post. So if you just want to put a note inside that that there were streams within that they weren't verified by me but I know there's streams in there and
I know you're not going to be in the 100 foot of them but So you just want a note that says there are streams located within this BBW. Yeah. Okay. Um, is there any, maybe we already asked this, but is there any real fill
required for the any of this work? Very little. Like, it might be half a foot to a foot right around the garage just to keep the runoff from going into the garage. All right. Any further questions, comments, input?
Any uh conservation related questions or comments from the audience? All right, just for the edification of the public, this filing is not a notice of intent. This is a request for determination of applicability uh where we are seeking to see whether or not a full notice of intendance be filed in
this project or if the project is minor enough in scope or impact that the um concerns can be addressed without formal filing. So if any members of the commission believe that this project does not for a notice of intent that
would be a negative a a negative determination of applicability. So in this case negative would be to approve the project and a positive determination would require filing a notice of intent. Um so yes means no, no
means yes. Uh is there any motion on this project? Yes. Oh, if if it is the will of the commission to permit this project without requiring a notice of intent, we would need to
designate that this is a type three negative determination. Uh read type three allowed which states the work described in the request is within the buffer zone as defined in the regulations but will not alter an area subject to protection under the act. Therefore, set work does not require the filing of a notice of intent subject to
the following conditions if any. Prior to ground disturbing activities, erosion and sediment controls must be installed as indicated on the approved plan and inspected by the conservation agent. The erosion control shall be left in place during the disturbed until the disturbed soil has been stabilized with grass that has grown to a mable height and density.
Um what are uh what's what's the will of the commission on this? Do you feel this requires a notice of intent or do you feel that we could address this without one? I think you can address this without one because it's it's a minimal disturbance
and there's not a lot of grade change. All right. So, it's just a he's meaning all the setbacks. I agree. I agree. So, just I guess to to streamline it, I will I will now entertain a motion for a type three negative determination of
applicability. Awesome. All right, we've got a motion made. Is there a second? Second. Motion made and seconded. All in favor? I I Thank you very much. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. Um, so should I send it to you? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Our final new hearing of the evening is a request for determination of applicability application for Nina and John Maro of 1070 Smith Street, map 10, lot 15-02 for an after the fact filing to widen existing driveway. Place gravel
for parking. Relocate existing shed onto new gravel area. Construct retaining wall. Construct playground. Restore disturbed area with a conservation seed mix. Redirect roof drains into a subsurface drain pipe. And reloom and seed all disturbed areas. most of the work falls within a regulated wetland
buffer zone. They is they actually um realized they sent out the about notifications wrong um with the wrong address. So it was confusing for some of the neighbors and Niles immediately said, "Well, if we
sent them out wrong, we need to continue." So they continue to the 17th of July. That said, I would like to entertain a motion to continue this hearing until July 17th. So moved. Motion made. Second and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I. I. There are no certificates of clients this month. So we'll move forward into enforcement. Uh be review discussed act 2371 county street map 20 lot 65. Mr. Chairman, can
I ask that we just take some of the other people that have been here before out of order? Absolutely. Lisa, may I please ask which ones? Uh, I don't know. Who are you here for? I came here cuz I actually sent you an email a while back about money co. Oh, so that's what
that's the only reason I'm here. Oh, okay. So then we will go move on to um 23. Wait, what's your address? 2134 Street. I'd like to entertain a motion to take 2134 Horton Street out of order. So move. Is there a second?
Any discussion? All in favor? Bob's going to abstain from stop. He just he's learning. So, we are requesting an emergency hearing due to two escalating issue uh with our deck. Um if you're okay, I'm
going to provide Oh, I I saw you. Yeah. Oh, please by all means. I did I did see your pictures in your email. I did. Thank you. Thank you. I'm trying to propose to get our deck repair. And this is It looks bad there. It looks worse in color. Oh, it is. Yes.
So, when we purchased the home, like we visually couldn't really see what was going on. They were saying it was just because of a footing. Then we as we bought the home, we started investigating more and more and more and next thing you know, you can start seeing like underneath was like
rotted deteriorating. It wasn't anchored correct. They just slapped it on basically and it it was deplorable conditions um due to the safety facts of everything and plus like we had some erosion in the back of it.
So we're asking for an emergency replacement of the deck so to speak. So, oh, we do have we do have a plan of the deck to replace it and extend. It's going by
from 8 by 8 by 10 is it now? 10 to 12 x 16. Okay. So, also um Glenda has filed uh RDA already with D and US and I also did the list. She's got the absor
um the notification and the bylaw. You're welcome. Appreciate it. So, um, this will be on the July 17th agenda. So, I know they're here to express to you their concerns, but I think we
probably should just go through the process like we do with everybody else. My concern, I'm trying to avoid a potential accident. That's my Oh, yeah. I understand. I'll open up to the commission.
If you see like I don't know on that picture. This picture doesn't do justice to the condition of the base. I saw you saw like on the base of the foundation. I did. I did. I know. I saw the color picture. I know. I know exactly what you're talking And it it's it's got a it's got a gap on one end where exactly
where the doors are at and it's expanding out from the joistices. So, whoever put it in, I don't know how they installed it. They installed it wrong. They probably they didn't put in the proper anchors or they didn't, you know,
pictures. Am I not supposed to say anything? Cuz I'm uh Yes. If if if you had to recuse yourself under the conflict of interest rule and you did, then you pressured. All right.
So, that's what we basically want to do and we just want to like expand it, deviate the issue, and just try to make it, you know, feasible, livable in normal conditions, but we're going to keep it within our zone on the upper land of the house. We're not going to
extend it out near the buffer zones or anything like that. So it's falling apart for sure. So So Glenda, the the deck's going to go parallel with the house longer but not out more. Correct. Okay. Do you know how close the deck is
to the wetland now? Have you measured it to Mr.'s flags? The wetland scientist flags? I'm measuring like if if I'm estimating 30 ft maybe somewhere within that it was it was
somewhere within that. Yeah, you're about right some something like that. Yeah, I don't have an accurate measurement, but it's roughly around that because it's beyond the fence. And then obviously when we come out of the deck, we still got our yard a little bit
that's out there extended to the fence and then I don't know what happened with that. We're trying to maintain it as safe as possible and just get that thing cuz I got grandkid down the line. It was approved when this house was built on
wetlands. How did it get approved? But at one point that's beyond us. We just purchased this. You just want to be Yeah. So we just want to correct the issue. But we're trying to make it like condition for the home to be safe, you
know, like my family and the visitors. My my last house that I lived in is I could jump out of my kitchen window into the muddy curve brook. So that's scary. I hope he has dogs in the back. But that house was
way before the one before. That was probably the reason why probably. Yeah. So, how can we speed this up for them? Well, where an RDA has been filed,
I do understand what Lisa is saying about going through the process. I do also understand that this could be an exigent circumstance. Um, one of my questions is since your existing manicuring lawn area is fairly close to the wetland as it is, right?
Just because when when the house was built and, you know, no fault to anybody, wetland protection, probably didn't even exist then. Um, so one of my questions or concerns I guess would be is this going to be able to be accomplished without machines? You're going to have to bring machines in? No machines. Well, yeah. Post digging and
so forth. So, we'll be okay with that. You know what I mean? We're not looking to like Yeah. bring in a decorator or anything. Okay. Yeah. That's not the intent. Yeah. Something that could be if there's something that we can do by hand because it's tight in there as as it is cuz it's going to be impossible to get the machine
regardless. The only way is if I did it on the driveway, but I'm not going to do that. It's on the rear of the home. So, there ain't going to be no machines there. It's going to be all by hand. Okay. We still need to do the process and have you come to the next meeting regardless
of what we decide here as far as you moving forward. But they still need to come to the next meeting and but if you wanted to give them like permission to start um
I know you want to remove two trees. Is that the one closest to the home which you approved? Yeah. The other one you said just whatever's going that's near the home. That's it. All right. So, we've got one tree coming down that you've already looked at.
You're okay with we've just got some vista trimming on the other one. Yes. And um if you I don't know if you're going to hire the contractor or not, but when he contacted me, he specifically told family tree told me that he was not going to have to go in with any he could
reach, which is great. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I can probably show it on my phone. Just give you a rough idea. Here's the home right here. So, trees over here came down on it. I already demolished the roof in the past
tense. This is this area. And then in this area here, see how close that is to the house. That's a concerning point. Those are going to come down. Is it okay if I Yeah, absolutely.
So these are the limbs of the maple. Well, yeah. That's an actual tree that's like it's up and it's leaning and it's about the spacing between the home and that tree. Give it an Oh, that one in there. A couple. Yeah,
there's a gap of 30 in. Yeah. The other ones is the ones that's in the back. Yeah. They're about uh about maybe 25 ft from the from the house, I would say, on the back end of it. But it's because they're uprooted and they're starting to
lean a little bit and the windtorms is a concerning point because if you look in my land on the other side of it, there's a lot of trees that come down. There's a lot of dead trees back there. So, that's the only concern I have is protected is
the the main priority right now. That's what I'm looking at. safety issues. You know, it's all about the safety concerns. And who knows, one day we're sleeping, next thing you know, I wake up with a branch in my head. Wake up with a new Yeah. You know,
that's So, were you proposing to remove that tree, too? The one in the wetland? No, that's not what I'm looking at. It's just whatever's going to be hitting the house to That's what I'm looking at. And then if it does come to a point and I'll
address it with you guys and show you pictures if there was any dire needs of necessary emergencies. Yeah. So, well, I don't see why we can't allow them cut the tree. No, I think the cut the tree has to be cut down and then the limming. Um, and then you're going to need some
erosion controls around the deck anyway. So, you can start that and then before you know it, I think it'll be July 17th, I think. But, I don't know. I just Nobody's going to work next week anyway because of the holiday. Yeah, I
know. Everybody's already playing it. What are the commission's thoughts? Oh, I feel apply for a building permit yet safety issue. I I agree. I don't I don't want to see the commission get in the habit of skipping the order of operations, but I also don't want to see
a grandbaby fall through a deck either. They also have to apply for the building permit still. Okay. Yeah, I'm I'm okay with that as long and I know I'm not supposed to say anything, but there's no other fire access that is not safe if there's a fire escape.
Thanks for your input, Bob. All right. Um, is there a motion on the floor to allow them to commence work and to come back next month with with the RDA to just give us an update? So moved. I'll second
that. Motion made and seconded. Thank you. Any discussion? All in favor? I I Thank you very much. 17th they'll make a whole formal decision and then Yeah. As far as the building permit goes, I don't put it on until I know the
emotion controls are in and I know that we've done that. That's why. But when you have that, let me know. And I have to send you the word documents. Okay. My email is still not letting me send. I'm going to try again
tomorrow. And then uh on did you get that correct address for them? Oh, yeah. At Smith Street, he he withdrew. No, he didn't withdraw. He continued to next month. They did not present tonight. Yeah, they'll get their owners notices.
They're going to be in the Birkshars that week. They going on vacation. I mentioned it to them. However, we mentioned about the letter and everything else. And if it's okay with you guys, we'd like to be here for that day as well. You're Yeah, that you're welcome. Y it's a public building. You
own this place as far as I'm definitely going to be here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Bob. Thank you. Welcome back. Okay. Okay. Thank you. And then we have Matt here, too. Yes. Uh, what address are you here
for, sir? I'd like to prop take a motion to take 710 center out of order. So move. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? All hearing none. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Come on down. How you making up? Oh,
how we doing, Matt? I suppose I have some not pictures, but that's okay. It's your estate conservation area, but Oh, yeah. State, too.
This tree is growing in there. There pines and I have a an aspen tree that I was going to put in there by myself. So, I figured I'd move it. But
where's the aspen growing now? It's um It's probably 20 ft from there. It's just growing in the growing in the yard. Yeah. In the lawn area. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't
transplant it right now, but in the fall. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. We're outside the growing season right now, but um So, what about the area that's more between you and your neighbors? Do you have a photo of that?
Yeah. This is I don't know why I got What do you mean in between the neighbor? You know that peninsula area that was right between the two properties where you cleared? Yeah. What does that look like now? It's grass. It's grass. It's
lawn. Well, it's whatever grew. I didn't plant anything. It kind of grew on itself. Okay. So, how deep does this go before its trees in here? Is this like 20 feet of No, it's not 20. It's probably 10 ft. 10. Yeah. 10 to 15
depending on and Okay. And the stake represents That's the conservation conservation land. That's fine. Great. Okay. Um, we have I was just grow post. Wait, will we have placards? I I I mean if you guys want maybe we'll just put
some plackets up there because when Matt's no Matt no longer lives there again people might not realize because we have the signs that are actual not wetland but conservation land might be a good Oh cove right
so maybe we'll get you some signs um would you be a menal to put some put maybe like two or three up yeah the signs are little round thing. Yeah, they go on post. You choose the type of post. You just want wooden
posts. If you want metal post, that's fine, too. Yeah. Yeah. Probably metal, but probably last longer with Done with this. And then we'll just be done with this. Yeah, that would be great. I would think so.
We don't like the three page coming every month. Yeah. I'm just whatever in the conservation thing is just wrong, you know. Yeah, that'll be fine with me. Are you talking about still transplanting the aspen in the fall or
we need to put up the PL? Probably got a good amount of stuff coming in anyway. I'm sure there's some trees coming in there. Yeah, there's like a little pine grow thing growing. Good. I'd leave the We got a couple of chest trees, you know.
Yeah, it's kind of too late though to plant. All right. Yeah. I mean, if you wanted to plant more trees, you could. Oh, I do want I Yeah, I want to plant more native, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I have I can get maples from guy next to me
where I work. How can I do that? Yeah. Maples will always live. They thrive in Don. Yep. Okay. Uh, is there a vote required on this, Lisa, or is this just an agent? I don't think so. Okay. Thank you very much for coming. Awesome. Thank you very much for coming. Thanks, man.
Yeah. Thanks for Thanks for working with us. We do appreciate the packets. I don't have I mean the pictures like Oh, sure. Well, just leave us leave us with at least one. Um I can't put these on my fridge. If you just shoot me a text one,
thank you. just shoot me a text so that we can coordinate how you're going to get the placards and if you need me to, I can always leave them for you somewhere. Yeah. Pick them up. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Thank
you. And um you're here for money co sponsor. That's not on the agenda, right? No. No, they they asked to continue to come back on the 17th, but now you learned a lot about conservation. That's right. We're looking for associate
members. Did Did you have general comments you wanted to offer or would you like to leave those to We can motion to take public input out of order if you had general comments. I was just curious what actually what is actually going on at the pond cuz I know there's issues with the dam with seepage and whatnot.
So there was some hearsay of that it could be going away and it could be taking the dam out and there's some stuff back and forth and I was just curious what's actually going on. Oh okay. So the only things that I think that we can really say from firsthand experience right is that at a public
meeting uh was it our May meeting select and at one of our meetings as well we had a general discussion around theformational packet right we we talked oh yeah so right now I do not believe and forgive me if I misquote but I do
not believe that Zenica has any definitive thing that they're seeking to do though they have expressed that Their general desire would be to remove the dam and to restore the reservoir back to a some sort of field, right? Is that it
would um it's been talked about and u Tommy's trying to find the information. I've heard it time and time again through other people in town uh back years ago.
And there's a stipulation on that dam when Zenica is done with it. It has to go back to its natural state. There's supposedly paperwork that nobody found.
I believe that was built in 1950 or 51 and that was part of the stipulation that when they built it when it was no longer in use and you know they're not
there maybe just as a property owner but uh it has to go back to natural you know reopen field and a small stream through there and u Tommy's seen it, but he can't find
it. And um I've heard that probably from eight or nine previous town fathers and people within, you know, town government, you know, so um
you know, whether they'll push it or not, don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if Zenica probably doesn't want the liability. So probably come up, but I mean you can't quote me on that.
Yeah. So that's probably that's probably what's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? Nothing definitive at this time. That's all we can say. Yeah. But I mean Yeah. It's uh you know, as Tommy Ferry would say, nothing new to report. Well, yeah. But you know, like I say,
no, it's you know, people have asked and and that uh one lady we should have asked, she just passed away, Betty Rose. Wonderful. What? Um she probably worked for the town for 40
plus years or better. She was a secretary, but she was on a lot of that. Nobody went to see her. So But uh Mr. Chairman. Yes, Nancy. Uh if I may,
please chair. When I was a selectman, uh and my term finished in 21 um and I didn't run again. I was actively involved with uh Astroenica. We got in the dam and also property on
three lots on Main Street. Um, I asked them if they would uh donate that land to the town, the three lots, which they did, and separate those three lots from the dam property. In other
words, we know the dam property is a whole different ball game. So, we had the land tested. We did accept the three lots at town meeting and they're on the north side of Main Street. Uh
by acquiring that property, you can actually walk from Brook Street, the land we acquired, which is the western half of the Segregit River, through the backlands on land that belongs to the town of Dyon. So this is a potential hiking trail, recreation, so forth.
Getting back to the dam, uh I can't go into a lot of details because some of the negotiations were close session. It was left that the town would be willing to accept
that property if an engineering study was done uh at Astroenica's expense to bring the dam up to the next level. It's been I think it's been considered fair forever, at least ever since I can
remember. Um and what the town did at its own expense was we had the property uh we had the dam b the pond bottom tested and it came
back okay. So it was there's no contamin contamination in that area. It's on the other side of Elm Street where the plant was where the contamination is. So there were a number of stipulations uh that
included um having the dam tested uh by qualified engineers. We actually had uh Beth um trying to think of her last name at the time. We we called her the damn lady. She was the the person in charge
of that. She came down and met with us. Uh I'm trying to think. I know Jack Taylor was on the board with me at the time and she explained about what happens with the property. Number one is if the intent is to take that dam down, this is
not going to be a fast thing at all. One of the things she mentioned to us was that there would have to be public hearings held. um the property owners currently have waterfront property and there would have to be hearings and
there would have to be discussion about easements and all the things that go along with that. Uh so the gentleman that I dealt with we dealt with at um Astroenica Charles Elundorf my understanding has since retired. I
was at that meeting at the board of selectments uh in old town hall when this came up recently and um the other conditions that we
put in a letter uh to say we would consider accepting the dam as a gift if the following conditions are met. Expenses of which were not going to be those of the town of Dayton. Uh it was stated at the last selectman's
meeting that I was at when this came up that Mr. Elundorf has uh retired. Uh the gentleman that made the presentation at the selectman's meeting was the gentleman who works for the engineering company who's responsible for cleaning
up the hazardous site. Uh there were statements made that night that were not true at all and which I did refute when I got up. Uh, and it was um I found it upsetting when somebody who
is trying to convince the town or the town's people this thing has to come down with statements like it's going to turn into a uh he talked about a a bathtub with scum and stuff and I said that's never happened. That pond has
never had that condition. So anyhow, it was sort of taken under advisement. Nothing was done. Um but from what um we were told when we met
with the dam lady um this is not going to happen overnight. If the town says absolutely we don't want any part of that, we don't want it be because whoever gets it is a liability. All right. So to eliminate all that, they would have to
get involved with a lot more. So again, um I don't know of anything moving forward on this. So I'm not telling you something isn't going to happen. I'm just telling you what my involvement was. And this is not
not an overnight thing. I've when I represented the town at the Mass Municipal Association Committee on Energy and the Environment, I actually attended a damn party. It was a on route 117 in
Lancaster. Uh the Waky Peaky Brook uh was damned. There was a some kind of a building, a mill something there, but um it actually was taken down and there was a
celebration about the fish swimming upstream and all that and it was just a meandering stream. Uh but it takes a long time. So, and again there's got to be public hearings. So, I I just I hope that gives you a little relief. It
doesn't answer the question totally. Thank Thank you very much. It does. My uh my concern isn't so much now. It's the whole point of me buying the house that I bought on Elm Street across from the bond was because the pond was there. My intention was on retire to walk
across the street and go fishing. Gosh. So you you will have extensive opportunities for public input as Nancy said. Beth Lambert is the damn lady. I don't know if she's still in that department, but when she met with the board of selectment to give us advice,
it was Beth Lambert. Excellent. Thank you very much. Uh we do have another two pages worth of agenda, so we're just going to return to our regularly scheduled programming now. Thanks for coming. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you for coming. Uh under enforcement, we've got review discuss
act 2371 County Street, map 20, lot 65. Uh most recent update is an email from North County Clerk was received 623 2025. It was 620 actually. 620 2025. What was the number? 213.
Uh, Lisa, would you like to bring us up to speed on 2371, unless you feel it's an executive session matter, in which case, please just tell us that and we'll discuss it at a closed hearing at a later time. Um, there's no new information, only what was received in the email. Jack needs to
be brought up to speed because he didn't get the email. Um, okay. So, hold off on that till a later time. Yeah, that's that's fine. Well, you know, we're just looking to see if they started work, which they haven't started work. Um,
I asked Bill to go out there today and Bill, no work. No work's been started. So, yeah, nothing in the other location. Okay. So, now we just killed two items. Yes.
Um, the email that he sent did state he did send an email on the 23rd. I was checking my email. He did send an email on the 23rd. Oh, I only got one on the 20th. Oh. Um, the one on the 23rd stated that work will begin at 880 Hart Street next week and pictures will be
forthcoming. Yeah, I saw that. Okay. Yeah, cuz that was this one. I sent the screenshot to Matt and I thought So, this is this one you were talking about was the 20th. If you look at that. Oh, maybe he resent it. Yeah, I have one
said I have another one said the 23rd that says exactly the same thing. Okay. Well, anyway, so we'll be watching for the notification, right? Um 2470 Pleasant Street, previous billing made to wetland on property. Agent sent me
second certified letter on 410 2025. Email from owner received 51325. Yeah. Um on that one, the owner, yes, the owner responded on 5:15 that
is um providing us with an update. He's entered into an agreement without back engineering to conduct the initial engineering and planning for work. Good for the mitigation. He'll let us know when he has the proposal for the work. Okay. Okay.
It's good stuff. Yeah. Uh 880 Hart Street. We did just discuss. Was there any further discussion on that or just where we left off there? Uh 1070 Smith Street wetland violation cutting and clearing. Follow-up letter sent out on 12:30 24th consulting
contacted Lisa 1225. They are working with the filing and coming to us soon. Uh agent observed first work on the property May 7th. Agent emailed owner and consultants on May 7th to stop work. Site visits on May 29th. RDA with proposed plan submitted 692025.
Correct. All right. Perfect. And this is the one with the abuters notified um with address. So they're coming back on July 17th. Uh 10:30 Oak Street, map 6, lot 27th, wetland violations, clearing, cutting, and filling. Site visit with new owner Alivera Investments Kira
Ronald Olivera on November 12th, 24. Notice of violation sent 210 via certified mail. Uh restoration work for controls is underway. update. Bill deferring to Bill. He's he's my
designated site inspector over there. Yeah. 1070. 10:30 rather. We're talking about 10:30 or 107. 10:30. 10:30. Okay. 10:30. Nothing's been started there.
No, 10:30 oak. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. He said it was 10 1030 yolk is is all set. That uh was all graded off. Silt socks were still in place and they basically uh did
a nice job actually. I feel like yeah has been removed. Uh nice job of grading off and seating. Nice. Awesome. And on another note, they just lowered the price. Even better.
Really? Yeah, that's a good good size piece of property. Excellent. Uh, we already did 2134 Horton, so now we're on to 260 Country Hill Drive. Complaint received. New bucker zone violation observed 49 say it conducted 55. Get an update for us, Lisa? I wasn't
able to reach them um unfortunately, but um the last communications Dave and I had in the field with them was they were it sounded like the owner son was willing to do some restoration work on
the property and he wanted to work with us to figure out what to plant. We're kind of past that. We're definitely plant past that planting stage. So all the planting stuff is going to be pushed back on the agendas for like September now. Okay. So can we just reach out to
them sometime over the summer to see if we can get them on for maybe like August so that we can discuss what their plans are going to be? Yeah, definitely. Okay, cool. Uh 662 Somerset A uh map 9 lot 18 complaint received wetland violation
observer 423. Oh, I just did that in backwards order. What the one I just gave you the update was 662 Somerset app. Oh, okay. All right. That's okay. Uh 260 Country Hill. Yeah. Um I did um speak with them. They have installed
evergreens. They removed the fill that was really close to the wetland. Um and they agreed to put seed down. So, we'll follow up. Um they they said I could come do a site visit, take some photos. I'm probably going to do that on Monday
if anybody's available. I don't know if Dave's available. Um, we'll go take a look at that and then they agreed to do the seed in the fall. All right. It's the last day of the fiscal year. I'm the opposite of available on Monday. I know I might not
even be available with all this paperwork. Uh, 2365 Elm, map 20, lot 91. Violations observed when agent was on site for site visit for building permit for shed. Um, so the reason why I left this one on
is, um, I just thought, you know, it should be followed up with them to see where the shed was built and if they did install any, see if like, you know, everybody else kind of follow up with them. So, um, I can send an email or
maybe Jim Digits will send an email somehow follow up. Okay. Okay. 2625 Lewis Street, map 21, lot 47C, new buffer zone violation observed 58. You have an update on Lewis? Uh, yeah. So,
well, there isn't really an update, but I invited him to the meeting. Um, I thought it was a straightforward email. I was asking if he was going to remove the fill and the seed and um, he said, "Oh, we did put the ambrosia controls
up." But, um, so I thought I did what I was supposed to do, but we're we're just looking kind of for the long term. If you looked at the photos, Dave and I were out there, the wet the wetlands were pretty close to where this big build pile was dumped, and I know
they're not going to keep it there. So, um, right now it's all dirt in that area. I'll follow up with him, um, because obviously he wasn't able to make it. Um, and I have one more here which is 700
Maine. It didn't make it on the agenda, but uh they were asked if they wanted to come to the meeting and they would rather have sent an email. So Dave and I conducted a site visit um what was it?
Monday. Monday. Okay. And we got an email from Mrs. Mrs. Cabraw um for the meeting on 626. Steve Valdikin 700 Main Street on 623. Lisa and Dave came to take a look at the property. It was
noted that a small grass clipping small area of grass clippings are within the 100 foot distance of the wetlands. We discussed it and came up with a plan to remove the grass clippings and then to see this coming fall. We are looking forward to this plan and continuing work with the conservation commission to
protect our wetlands. Thank you, Stephen. Yeah. Okay. Very good. Pretty straightforward. Um, so under other business, we have review discuss act proposal warrant article for conservation revolving fund. Um, so this is something that I don't
think is going to be fleshed out enough to vote on tonight personally, but I'd just like to discuss a little bit about what this what this is. at our special town meeting that the uh we set up our fee schedule for our filing fees. Right now, those are all general fund
revenues. What we would like to do is because especially for things like enforcement action. So what I would like to do rather I shouldn't say we but what I'd like to see us do is to put forth to the town to create a revolving fund for us which
what a revolving fund is is it allows the commission to retain a certain portion of certain revenues. we could we could have further discussion around whether we think it should be based on filing fees, fines, things like that. Um and then a lot use them for certain
purposes. The purpose that I envision is in particular above and beyond anything um Lisa as we all know puts in a considerable amount of time chasing down violations, right? And we are all paid well no we are all paid the royal we are
paid by the taxpayer, right? And uh to me it feels unfair that the residents who did not disturb their resource areas are paying for Lisa to spend her time and energy working on the ones who did. So to me, I would say at
the very least a portion of the revenue from fines, I think ought to be retained by the conservation commission in a revolving fund and used to defay the additional time that Lisa needs to put in specifically for violations. To me, that seems like it's
the most fair. It's the most equitable. And that way the people that are actually causing the issue that is requires her to put in the time are contributing, you know, their proportionate share to that. To me, it just doesn't feel Yeah. It
doesn't feel fair to people that are, you know, we we think about the uh the Mr. Buffingtons of the world, right? Who purchased and restored that land and took on an obligation he had absolutely no no requirement to just because he wanted to see it restored. It it it frankly just leaves a bad taste in my
mouth that people like that a portion of their taxes are paying for Lisa to have to direct her time and energy to people that willfully. So this will give her more time to work. It it could, right? It it could that could be we would have to define what the revenue streams are,
what percentage of those revenue streams we'd like to see go into the revolving fund. And then the state puts very very strict limitations on what those revolving funds could be used for. So we would just have to make sure that we're keeping track of the amount of time if that was how we used it, the amount of
time that she was putting in on specific enforcement actions. Yeah. And we would have to work with the board of selectmen. We'd have to work with the town administrator. We have to work with town council to make sure that we color inside the lines. But once we're within those lines, I I think that that would be a really good way to go in order to
allow Lisa to divert more of her standard time that she's spending on her other duties and then when she does need to put in extra time to chase those violations that it's not detracting from the services that are available for the other residents.
Absolutely. Right. So, u if the committee is amendable, I will see if I can take some sample language of revolving funds from other towns and then maybe solicit MACC or MMA or another organization to see if I can get some template language and then present
that at either the October or the uh July the July or August meetings there. Sounds good. Um the meeting minutes um I don't have the minutes with me, but I believe Lisa did get the chance to send them out. Is that right? I think you
have one copy. So, the March minutes are completed. She did give me the April minutes, but I have not had a chance to review those. All right. So, since the March minutes have been sent out, did anybody have any corrections? We'll leave April and May um and then approve those once we've had the chance to
review them since our minute taker is um getting caught up because they she was brought aboard with a heavy heavy lift to have to do right from the get-go. Um, so did anybody have any any corrections to the March 20th minutes or is there a
motion to accept them as read? Motion to accept March minutes as read. Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? I. I. Uh, review discuss act bills payable. Review bills payable since the
last meeting. Uh, we don't have any outstanding bills, right? Everything's already been signed and submitted. Um, no. I have bills that I'm going to be submitting on Monday. Okay. Yeah. All right. Um the commissioner one of its previous meetings did authorize me and Jim to sign. I will be in the office on Monday. So I'm happy to sign those. Um
so we have the incumber funds for FY 2026. So what this means is that any expenses that are ongoing um in this year but we will not receive the bill until July since it was this year's work. We don't want to use next year's money to pay for this year's
work. And so what an encumbrance does is it allows us to kind of uh earmark money that we have available this year for expenses that occurred this year and then carry them over so that we can pay our June expenses when the bills roll in in July. We do have a couple of invoices
from Gay and Gay. Gang's office is currently tabulating exactly what those are going to be and they're going to provide us a couple estimates because a few of them as I understand it from my conversation with Lisa are are cases still in progress and so they'll give us our best reasonable estimate that we can submit
that as supporting documentation to the accounting office. Uh Lisa's training that she took the other day was also purchased on the town credit card even though it's a June purchase. the credit card statement for some god-awful reason closes the 2nd of the month. They generate the statement on the third and
I'll receive it on like the eth or ninth. And so what I'll do is um I have all the credit card expenses. Um so I'm happy to do the incumbrance for that. And um do you need a separate fund? I mean a separate account for that or do
you I mean how do you go? Yeah. Yes and no. So, under the Massachusetts Charter of Accounts, each line item of our budget has its own expense line, right? And then when the town account will open an encumbrance line and then scoop that
out of that revenue line into a new line. And so I'll I'll be writing a lot of numbers out on paper that I'm going to immediately scratch off and write all new numbers. So, yep, we do it right because we do it twice. Um, and we also have Kendra. So, three sets. Oh, yes. And our minute our minute
takers. Yeah. Our minute that she's doing. Yep. Exactly. Um, so is there a motion on the floor to approve the conservation commission or approve I guess me and Lisa or or Jim on behalf of the commission preparing
incumbrances for any expenses that are acred in fiscal 25 but not payable till fiscal 26? Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Uh, next on the agenda, we have the serpent redline version of the
conservation subdivision bylaw. Um, is this something that anybody else has gotten the opportunity to read yet or is this better? It's it's a it's a lengthy read. Yeah. So, I'd like us, Lisa, if you're amenable and Jim's amenable, uh, once he's back. I'd be grateful if we could
put this back on the agenda next month through Zoom discussion. Um, I read through most of this. There was areas that I didn't have any problem with. There are areas that I that I don't like very much. Um,
I have more detailed notes on my own computer because I have previously reviewed this and sent my own edits back to forward to surf. I don't know if they've actually reviewed them or not. Um, the thing I really didn't like and uh not to dwell on the negative, but
just the thing that was first and foremost on my mind is the very end part. The bonus point criteria. I don't care for this one bit. Um, what the bonus point criteria does is it allows the developer to increase the density of housing. So basically cluster house. Yeah. And you can increase the density
of your cluster housing by accumulating points based on a rubric of things that include things like um visual screening, forest stewardship, public recreation and things that are nice, affordable housing, senior
housing. Um, you know, while a lot of those things are nice, I just conservation subdivisions are a good thing cuz they preserve open space, but at the same time, we're stacking postage stamp on postage stamp
and I don't want to have too many postage stamps all in one place. And I don't I don't want to create this gamified, you know, game, for lack of a better word, where you can rack up points on the rubric in order to maximize. And then you end up with all these public
recreation areas that are sandwiched in these funky uh you know this this I this section I really didn't like. I wanted to see it struck completely was my recommendation to serpent. Um but there were a few things that I read through and I said that's pretty good. And then there were a few things that I raised an
eyebrow about. Um if we'd like to have an in-depth discussion about this tonight, I'm totally amenable to that. or if we'd like to just take it under advisement tonight, review it over the following month, and then discuss it once we've had an opportunity to review it. Um, any any questions, comments on
that? Agree, disagree? I I would say basically put it on next month agenda because I haven't had a chance to really review it either. Yeah, I would really love your input on this. I think you'll have a really high.
Um, so that runs us through other business. I don't think we need any motion on that. Um, and then our correspondence, our only correspondence will board of health meeting 5205 and 617 2025 was at a 1901 Milk Street. Um,
that is I'll give a little bit of background was a resident came into town hall and came up to the treadmill collector's window and asked for Lisa. Uh Lisa happened to be out of office that day. So I said or a site visit, I
believe, something like that. Yeah. And uh I was I was there. I came in a little while after. Yeah. There we That's what it was. And um so I took a brief description from the resident of what was going on. Um they were referring to 1901 Milk Street. Apparently there was a
failed septic that had been going on for I forget exactly how long, but in excess of a year. And um evidently the owner of the property had an open septic tank that had been failed and they had put a pump into it and they were running a pump with a hose out to pump it in the
woods behind the property stuff. Yeah. From what I was told, they reached out to the board of health numerous times, but it looked like the dirt was during a transitional period where there was some staffing changes and um it was just something that it had
hadn't been acted on yet. And so she came in and asked for Lisa in particular because this property does actually border the lot where the Borne estates filing is. It's actually the ab budding lot and we know that there are public drinking water supplies back there. There are verbal pools. There are wetlands. It's a extremely
environmentally sensitive area. Um and we literally have an open field septic tank being pumped into the resource area. So suffice to say it was alarming. So, uh, Lisa was kind enough to attend the board of health meeting and, um,
Lisa, do you have anything to share as takeaways from that meeting with us? Well, we went to the first one to Yes, we did. So, we didn't talk about it at the last meeting cuz Well, yeah, we've gone to two meetings now. Well, I've gone to two. Um,
I guess the the owners were there. They have since shut the pump off, evicted the tenant who has reported this. I guess there was some back and forth with them anyway going on, which is not a
conservation matter at all. Um, and I did speak I did was able to speak to them at the board of health meeting and requested that when a c copy of their plan comes in if they could provide it to the conservation commission cuz I do
believe that um there may be an isolated wetland on that property. It doesn't look like anything is contiguous going off site, but I did reiterate to them that it's in a water protection zone, zone two. Um, hold on one second. And I
have some notes actually. I don't have them in here. I have them in my car. Um, did you witness this? Yep, I have photos. Yeah, the resident who came forward had a lot of documentation, a lot of high quality pictures, the hose clearly
running out of the septic. The property owner had evidently bent trees in in what looked to my eye like an attempt to conceal the hose. Right. They're very made like a bridge of of grasses and trees over the hose. I was on Is there a cleanup? I have
photos. Does anyone want to see the photos? No, I've I've seen them, but anybody else who can I got a neat Is there a clean that needs to be done on that? Like, do you need to clean that up or just let it sit? So right right now what
I what I would say is that there if we do not see movement on on the the permit coming in to board of health that given that there is potentially an IDW back there it's something that we would look
into on a conservation jurisdiction basis. Um, I would say as far as just general title 5 goes where the wetland, you know, where the jur where the resource area ends is kind of where I feel our jurisdiction ends.
So really all we can do is iterate reiterate to the board of health that it was a matter that was treated very seriously to us. From what we saw, it appears to be very serious and encourage them to, you know, investigate with haste and vigor and really really unless there's an articulable wetland issue or
something that allows us to act and issue, you know, a notice of violation or something like that. Um, I think really all we can do is work with other officials to address them the need to to act and let them know that, you know, we stand ready to assist them with anything that we can help with. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
I mean, I would like to be able to coordinate with with I believe it would be Mr. Jerry Bernard. He's the is he the interim interim health agent right now? Yeah. Yeah. So, I would like to work with him because I really don't know
what else is going to come of this. But um you know it would be important even to like a a samp if there is standing water out there a sample should be taken to see if there's any bacteria in it. Right. I I agree. Um, this would
actually be a great example of a time when a revolving fund would be very help helpful because one thing that I will say is that since he is not an employee of the town, he's a 1099, you know, hired outside um when he
picks up the phone, the the billable hours start, of course. So, we would want to make sure that we route our conversation through the board of health because as pressing as this is and as immediate
of a need as it is, it's not our decision to spend the board of health's money. And so I would just say that as seriously as they take it, I would strongly recommend that we route our communication through the board of health and the office manager and then
let them bake that into their other business that they're retaining it for that they intend to spend the money on. And if we ever have a matter of this communication that we feel needs to occur that isn't at that point, the proper channel to go through would be the town administrator's office because they have the ability to do things that
we can't. Thank you. Thank you. Um, no further correspondence. Um, we already did public input, but we'll just revisit it one last time. Anybody have any further public input on the
commission that wasn't on the I do Nancy does too. Go ahead. I just have one question. When we were talking about Alvita estates and Jim Reen said something about proposal, when I asked to make sure that storm water is included and so forth, it was my
understanding that Jim was going to prepare a new proposal to do additional work on this Alme Ridge development because o oversight work is what my understanding inspection watching and all that. Okay. I I I thought it was
going to be something additional. That's why I wanted to make sure it doesn't appear to have been included in what we talked about before. So, thank you. Thank you. Um, any further business from the commission? Actually, no. Thank you. All
right. Um, with a heavy heart, I will I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? I. I