Okay. Um, this is the Dayton Historical Commission meeting of March of March our as well. >> If you're not ready, I'll just do it ago. >> Yeah, it's now six o'clock and I'm calling the meeting to order. Um, this
is a Zoom meeting. It will be be recorded and shown on Dyton's YouTube channel at a later date. the listing of matters of those reasonably anticipated by the chair which may be discussed at the meeting. Not all items listed may in
fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by law. Okay. And I can see that we're all here. Let's stand for the pledge of >> allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Next is the minutes of July 8th.
Unfortunately, Rappa, >> can I start? Yeah, >> there was some miscommunication when we talked about 3025 Elm Street. Your minutes said the house was a convent. That's not the convent. The convent's
across the street and then you wrote the convent is behind >> I was I was relying on a transcript because there was no video. >> I know, but it's unfortunate you don't know that section of town and I'm going that teeny weeny little house was never. No, so we don't the historical sharing.
>> It's under the 3025 Elm Street section. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, it was never a convent. Cross that out. And the convent is across the street from that, if you want to put that in instead of in the back. >> But the funniest one was there was a gentleman who donated over well, not
donated, who gave >> over 50 years to this town. And you called him Dwight Lang. And I'm going, who the hell is that? >> I didn't even catch >> Dwight Lane. You don't know Dwight Lane? >> No, I never heard. >> Oh my Helen Lane, the historian. It's her dad.
>> Okay. >> So, you called him and I'm going, "Who's Dwight Lang?" >> Well, the the the transcription automatically puts Lang >> and then >> where were we supposed to read it before you and I'm surprised? I'm surprised because Lane is a word. So, it's not like if I can assume the last name is
and recognize, but Lane's a word. I'm surprised the transcript didn't >> Well, those I chuckled at those and I wrote the down. So, whatever else you had. No, I I I had the one about the convent. I was like, that's not right. Where's the one about Dwight Lane? Oh, I
see it. I got it. I missed that one. >> Number 10 in historical sharing. Yeah, like about threequarters of the way down. >> And when did your minutes go out? Cuz I didn't get them. >> The draft. Did you get You didn't get the draft. >> I couldn't find it.
>> Oh, I got the draft. >> I got She was a recipient. That's all. Did you check your spam? >> I didn't have time tonight. I didn't send it tonight. So, no, but I usually I don't. >> Anything else?
>> That's what I I saw the one about the convent. So, >> and lane. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, I will entertain a motion to accept the minutes as Oh, should we wait until Irene has a chance to review them?
>> No. Go ahead. Okay. Um, >> don't wait on me. >> Uh, um, entertain a motion to accept the minutes as amended. >> So, move. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay.
>> Irene Alley at >> So, next is our budget. We haven't spent any money, so our balance is $600 for the month of July. That's easy. Um,
does anyone have any questions or comments about our budget imbalance? Okay. Uh, next is unfinished business. Preserving memories of Dyon. >> Had a great Zoom chat with John and we're definitely sympatico in terms of
how he's viewing the project and how how we're viewing it too. Um he said he needed about was a couple weeks ago about a month to preserve uh get ready whatever materials he has because he has we talked about Pat's topic suggested for him Weston
his acquaintances with the Hortons >> Dr. being built and he said he had a lot of material on that so he said he wanted to compile it and >> I don't think it's going to be so much a lot of me asking questions so much as me just saying tell me about your history with Northlight because he's so
informed. >> Yeah. like some people might be more of a Q&A, but it sounds like with him, I might interject here and there, but I don't think I'm gonna need to really ask him a lot because he has so much. We're just going to go to cable within a couple weeks first because they have a green screen there and he wants to know
if he can project onto the green screen. Not project, but like pipe in whatever because he has pictures of pictures and maps that he wants to bring. He's like, I can set it up on a thing or we can try to put it on the actual screen. So, we're meeting with um cable to figure out. >> Did you get a date for that?
>> Uh, no. The did he emailed Dave emailed back yesterday and said that I emailed him saying what we're looking to do and he had said, "Let me get back to you." He said, "Don't and I already send us what dates work." So, I emailed John and said, "What dates work for you?" Because ideally, him and I will be going together. It's not a big deal if he can't come with me. But he he wanted to
because he hasn't seen the studio yet either. >> Okay, good. >> Wow. Making progress. Is Jeff still interested? Okay, we'll have him next. >> Do do you have any potential topics for him that you can send or
>> Oh gosh, he would be like the history of the fire department. Okay. >> Not not that he has to focus on one thing in particular, but Pat started to do that like with this person like I wouldn't have known to John I wouldn't have known to West or him about GR. >> So it's you know if you have areas of
focus that it'll help. >> Irene, do you have any when he was a young boy working on the farms? Yeah, he would like to talk about that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Other than that, he might not let you get him word in hedgewise. >> That's fine.
>> That's fine. Having the fire history, the fire station history, fire department history will be really really interesting, >> which obviously he must have had a lot of lot on. >> Okay. >> And he could talk a little bit about growing up in Dyon, you know.
>> And he worked at ICI, too. >> Oh, that's another whole topic. Yeah. >> Um, and you if you want to relay this to him. So, John was asking me too, you know, how long should the it be? And I said I feel like I know people say that everyone's attention span is short
nowadays, which I think is true, but also there are people who will watch seasons long of an hourong TV show in one afternoon if they if they want to, right? So if we were trying to get word out there, yes, you want it short to, but if it's something that people going to look up and want to watch, I was
like, if he could wants to talk for an hour, we can talk for an hour. If he wants to do 15 minutes, I would say, let's stretch out 15 minutes because I don't know what how deep we would get into 15 minutes. But if you think like he's like, "Oh, I could talk for an hour about the fire station." Then we wouldn't have to talk about ICI. If he
wants to talk about all of it and it goes over an hour, then that's fine, too. I think it's whatever something that's not airing at a certain time unless cable eventually chooses to do that. I don't think we have a time. It's not like oh we're doing an hourong segments. >> It's whatever we want it to be or
however long the interviewee really feels like they can talk for. >> I feel like it'd be extremely interesting though for the people that are going to actually like watch it and and be interested. I think it's going to be something that you could sit through. >> I'd want I would like ideally I would want at least 45 minutes. I know it
sounds like a lot, but like if you're talking about something that you know a lot about >> it quickly. >> It can go quickly even if I don't know enough but I know what to ask or like help facilitate it. >> Um >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And do you think he'll be fine being on
camera? >> I think so. >> Yeah. He doesn't have any problem talking. >> Apparently I need to know also. So, that being said, I could probably even go ahead and start talking to cable about setting up that one. >> Um,
>> the only days he's not available is Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. >> Do you want to try and sit down with him and kind of like prep with with him like you did with John? I think that's a good um >> process to um Pat, I don't know how much
you know about this. Cable obviously films. I know my dad does a segment on on Sundays. Do they film often on Sundays? >> I don't know. >> Because once once the school year starts, >> it will be harder for me to do it during
the day. >> Yeah. >> So, if so, with the job, you know, I'll be doing the after school care. So, I would get out around 5:30. So, if it's a day that town hall's open till at least 6:00 and cable doesn't have a meeting they got to work on or using the studio, we can do it week night. >> But, if Jeff can't do Saturdays, I would
hope. >> Yeah. I don't know. Do they go in just that one Sunday once in a while for my dad's thing or is it something that they don't care about doing and they'll do whatever on a Sunday? I I don't know. >> I don't know. I think that's a question that you would have to ask. I would ask about Sundays. How far in advance do you think
>> your husband would need? >> I can ask him. >> Okay. Cuz like I mean obviously I won't do it this coming Sunday, but if they say three Sundays from now or Tuesday, no. >> Yeah. I'll have to see what our calendar is. The other the days that you know I said he couldn't do it is the days he has to ask. >> Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, right? Yep.
All right. So, we can work that out. Okay. Finally, that's like off the ground. Good. >> Good. All right. Um the walking tour pamphlet for quorum district. >> So, we
worked on it. Yeah, that welcome. >> Basically, I don't I didn't spend too much time even talking about it the first time around because we knew we're adding a lot. But is this the final draft?
And not that I can't still make edits to it, but final as in it's not like, oh, Pat and I still got to piece something in here or we got to fill something in here. It's it's done in terms of what we put into it, but it's not final in terms of we can't go back and fix something if we need to. No, it's not I wouldn't it's definitely not done in that stretch. No
>> it bleeds out when they print it. It'll bleed out to the edges, >> right? This is just in terms of just looks printing on the way we did it. Edit remove vice chair. >> Oh yeah, that's going to be on both of
them. >> Good point. >> And you have to put vice chair next to you. Sure is not vice clerk and the August 2025 will be >> October. >> Yeah, I talked with Pat on the phone today. I asked her what should I put? I don't want to put the word published.
I'm not publishing it. We don't want to put the date of the tour. >> You know when this was made? >> So even though the walk won't be happening until at least September, you still want to put August because that's when the thing was made. I I don't I'm not questioning it. I'm just curious. >> Yeah, that's what I was kind of thought today, you know, because we have to have
so that there's some record of when this particular pamphlet was made, you know. I mean, we could just put 2025. We can put fall of 25. >> I mean, the only thing I thought about
with the time matter, but we already kind of So, we did have to obviously we added John Hathaway health house health. John Hathaway house raised >> in 2025 and Pat and I were even debating like do we even include it and it's like well the site was still there >> even though the building's not it's
>> it contributes enough to the area. >> Um so but we do obviously had to put a note saying that it's no longer there. Um >> when you pass these out they will be folded. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They fold them, right? I'm not being
anal here and if you don't want to, that's fine. When you fold it, you cut this guy off. Can you scooch him over? >> So, when they do it, um, you can talk to the print team. Uh, when you take the printer, >> they trying to fold it as good as I can.
>> If you if you look, there's a dotted line that goes right down the middle. >> Yeah, >> that's where it will be folded when they do it. So, it when it when they fold it, it will be along the dotted line and it will it'll line up. and 1/2 ft. >> Do you do you think it's so off?
>> I understand what you just said, but how can it? Because I'm folding it in perfect thirds. See it? Yeah. I mean, come on. >> Yeah. >> And you cut off this. >> So, I I understand what you told me and Well, good luck with that.
>> Yeah. >> I just think it's going to be off. Whatever. That could be something to work with um the printers. >> Yeah. >> On, you know, to make sure that the layout is correct. >> Yeah. of half the way house alignment >> experts. >> Yeah, they're the experts because when I
took it to them, they said, you know, this is what we want. You know, I try >> and it's beautiful. >> Yes. >> Beautiful. >> No, but you're right to have it fully properly. >> And that's why I had mentioned that said I want to go I want to go I want to go with you when we do it. So I I'm I'm going to bring my computer. So if in the moment they say you got to scooch that
over, >> I can just do it and then resend it to them. So >> Right. That's, you know, that's a technical thing that they can they know how to do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz that Yeah, I can definitely. So,
>> what do you think about the date? Leave it as August as or do we want to put fall? Fall. >> Fall's a nice word. >> Yeah. All right. >> Fall sounds better. Fall. >> Yeah. Um, does everyone
is everyone clear on the pictures of the maps? Because Pat and I were talking about that for a while. The way So, obviously, one is from a two dimensional map, one's from a bird's eye map, one is a screenshot from Google Earth. and Pat
and I were the longest that we spent was trying to >> figure out does looking at it make sense to you like the two versions of the past versus the present and is it line is it like showing everything correctly
>> I don't understand the middle map where's the river orient me tell me where the river is where the boat is right yeah >> okay so then >> so like this warf is this right here. So this >> So here's the river. Yep.
>> So here's kind of this quickly moving river. >> So here's um >> Yep. So this warfight >> this warf this warf is that right there is what Pat and I
>> we probably and Pat maybe we should put we how we should we put a disclaimer saying they are not necessarily to scale. I mean it's close. Neither one of them are >> neither one. I mean, yeah, I guess no old no old maps are to scale necessarily, but >> I'd get rid of
again. Yeah, humor me. I'd get what's on the street here like it's going up the horse. >> The first one. >> Yeah, that sure don't look like a horse to me. Looks like a either a wild puma, you know, the horse and carriage going the other way. >> She's kind of right when you look at in
comparison. >> It's kind of silly. >> Well, that's that's the map. Unless we wait. >> There's a man on it. >> Yeah. On the first one. >> Yeah. >> What is he? A jockey? Cuz look at the size of the man compared to the horse. >> Maps. Cuz that's front of the map. >> The other one looks nicer. He looks more
in proportion. This guy over here. >> That could be a big dog. >> But it looks like a dog or Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes, it does. >> Great Dane running up. >> So it's that section right there. >> Excuse me. I would get rid of it. You
could work it out, I guess. Why not? >> Just that right there. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, they have great names back there. >> They did. >> Did they ride them? >> Little men. Only little men.
>> Hey, Pat, while you're here, can obviously while you're here, can you just look over the wording of the parking? Does that make sense? This is what I called you about today. >> Oh, yeah. For parking, we recommend leaving your car at Tricentel Park, conveniently located between our two historic districts.
>> Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And please lock your cars. >> Period. Period. Yeah, I know. I just saw that too. >> Camera. >> Never know. >> Yeah. Because we talked about the parking um on both Pleasant Street and
Water Street. If you park on the side of the road, it's very narrow. Yeah, you know >> blocking area right there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Looking at this now, I want to fix it. I don't like how the only thing on that
line is the word 1938. >> Yeah, >> which I can that's I can tweak that. It's fine. That's just bothering me now. That's the only thing on that line. >> You know what your spacing here maybe like the above you can if you put it >> Yeah, it's in it's in block format instead of being left or right
justified. So when you do that to make it line up, it does put in bigger spaces in between words. It drives me up the wall, right? >> Like down here look between whit marsh major and Charles is a huge gap. But I I can you can add a couple more words in
there to make it. It's just when you do block format and that maybe that's one thing they can even help me with at the place via that that that formatting too. So go you want to talk about like this block >> the block formatting >> because now that you point that out I can see like
>> yeah it's like I could just left justify it and wouldn't be an issue but then it won't look as neat and lined up. So >> also here in circa they were spaced between circa and the date >> where space. >> Oh he built this um Georgian house
circle. >> Oh yeah yeah that's just that was just a typo. >> Oh yeah show. Yeah. So, we're just gonna Yeah. George. >> So, >> so why don't we not that why isn't it called the the quorum show house?
>> It seems like all these houses whenever someone else adds itself owns it and it become a slash or a to the name of it. I'm not saying I'm not saying we should change it on this. I'm just saying in general why don't they call it that? >> I think >> because he owned it. >> Yeah. >> In the 19th century. I mean it's not it's not like he it's not like he just started owning in the 2000s. I mean
sounds like it's obviously considering he was a prominent person too. I'm just surprised they didn't end up call it the quorum show house. >> So with George Schauve I tried to do find some you know genealogy stuff but I found conflicting um information
and given the time constraints I was like oh I don't have time to you know confirm his genealogy or not and I'm sure there are some residents out there that are related to George that have it. Um >> what was it was confusing about it? >> Um
who is which lineage was his? >> Oh >> which because when you're doing it with some of these families everyone's has the same names in the different generations. >> Right. A lot of George. So but but this George Schauve was definitely the one who authored that. Okay. Well at least we know that much.
>> Right. Right. >> And he was definitely the show that added the porch. >> Yes. >> Yeah. At least when I mean obviously that seems to be the >> All right. Does anyone else see any other changes? I wonder too like when they bleeded out
if that changes where the folds are not knowing anything about >> printing. So the black line that you kind of see around it right there, that black line. >> Yeah. At the bottom, >> that's what the template called that the
bleed line. >> So that's why I that's why that's why I was sticking to making sure nothing past that. >> But I don't know why then the dotted line is Trying to find the So, it called that
green line. So, it's if you can't really tell, the bigger thicker line that you see right here. >> Yeah. >> The template calls that the safe area. Then it calls the dotted line that's on the outside down here. >> Yeah. >> It calls that the trim size.
And then this red line way down here, it says bleeds bleed bleed size. And the template it said it said make sure anything you don't want cut off, make sure it's actually in within the safe area. Didn't say like make sure it's in within the trim area. It said
the safe area. And then the reason why the picture the background of the map picture takes up the entire thing it said if you want if you want no white spaces make sure your background is covers up the entire thing. >> Right.
>> So it's like we don't want white at the end. We want it we want we don't we don't obviously we're not going to see white right here. >> It's going to be just just the map. >> Yeah. But like I said, when we meet with them >> and you're going to Dval or no BP or
Dval is doing this. >> Yeah. >> So, we should do that as soon as we can only because once the school year hits, it's going to be hard for me to go during the day. >> It'll have to be >> doable. It's doable for me to go during the day. Just speak. >> Yeah. Um >> so if if we can't within the next couple weeks, I mean,
>> yeah, maybe next end of next week or so. >> Okay. As long as we're everyone's all set with this. So then on the the wars district too, we would add the parking information. >> Yeah. I'll just we'll just copy and paste that panel onto that one
>> and make the corrections for the vice chair. >> Yeah. >> And put the date on it. >> Yep. >> Okay. and then we'll be ready to print because we have the um vehicle's grant
>> to spend on it. >> Do we have a a date yet for the library opening? >> No, >> not that that determines this. It's more about when we do the tour, but I mean >> tour. Yeah. No. And um that depends on the occupancy when they issue the
occupancy hasn't >> No, not yet. Okay. Does anyone have anything else on our brochures? >> I'm so glad you came along, Zach, and put it together because I never would. That's beyond my skills. I will for our
next meeting have a draft of a letter for the property owners, too. >> Oh, that's right. >> Because we were going to send them uh with the brochure. Send them a letter to let them send them a copy brochure. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Nice. >> Definitely. Good deal.
>> Yeah. So, okay. >> All right. Um, next are significant properties. I started looking at them and I was like, "Oh, we have so many. So, um, based on the way that our
demolition delay bylaw defines the significant properties, it's either listed on or within our national register district." So that means all of our homes in the National Registered District are significant. Um
if it's associated with one or more historic persons or events architectural, cultural, political, you know, economic or social history of of Dyon or the state and architecturally important especially like if it's associated with, you know, an architect,
a known architect or builder. So I thought, you know, I started thinking about I was like, "Oh, where do we start?" So like the Carnegie building is significant.
I think the community church. I was thinking um Dwighton Macy Lane's house where Helen Lane lived, our first historian. The brick church. Um the Ezra and Mary Mary Richmond house. since Thomas Richmond lived um
their son was there. He was very involved in a lot of um town stuff and he was actually the first selectman when the town separated into Wellington as well one of Wellington's selectmen.
Um I was just like trying to think of different reasons why people would be important. None of these have to stay or go. Um the Gushy house where the James family lives now. >> What house? Gushy House is on Elm Street.
>> Guess H E. >> Oh yeah. >> Um so that was associated with Reverend James Smith who was a minister um of one of the first of either the first or second meeting house. He was a
son-in-law to was it Nathaniel Fischer? He followed Nathaniel Fischer as reverend. So, but he he lived there. He had like an academy there. And then um Abraham Kushi, who later was the minister at the Unitarian Church, the
Titan Community Church, um lived there and he also had an academy there. Then we have 100 Acres that has like a lot of um the Briggs family and the Briggs um dam and their um factories
that were there. and um John the John Clustin house on old Somerset A and then our segregated at schoolhouse. So Pat, you look like you've got papers
and tons of stuff go. >> Okay. Well, I thought when you mentioned um the church, the Weston Baptist Church is a significant property. So, if you're talking the community church, you're talking this church. I wouldn't talk
about St. Peter's anymore because it's turned into a private home. And I would forget that. I would forget the other one on Main Street, >> the Methodist church. >> We talked about the academy. How about the academy that was on Main Street, which is next to the parking lot of the Carnegie building that was an academy
for many years. Um, I also thought the buildings that were once part of the one room school houses. So, I mean, we have what, like nine or 10 left. So, you're talking um the garage on
um Pleasant Street. >> Yeah. >> Phillips's garage. Yeah. >> You're talking the garage near Sher's house now. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> That belongs to the car family.
You're talking the Flat Rock School, Albert's House at the end of Maine and Williams. >> The Fish School was demolished. There is another school on Williams Street heading toward more 44way. >> Yeah. >> On the left hand side.
>> Yeah. >> Um well, all the school houses. Okay. Yeah, this one on Middle Street. You know that? Near where Scott Maxfield lived. Like one house away from Scott Maxfield's house.
Oh, you didn't mention the Graange. I don't think you mentioned the Graange, did you? >> No. >> Come on. That's the most significant, you know, but you don't think of everything because, >> right, >> how can you think of everything? >> You mean here?
>> Yes. Yeah. So, I ran a form to me on here. >> Okay. >> So, I was concerned about the school houses. I was concerned about the Graange. >> Okay. Anybody else? Well, like I said to her,
I had my list and I lost it. As I'm coming down Somerset Avenue tonight, I don't know the number of the house, but Atwood's house that they have just redone over. >> Yes. >> Yes. Bruce.
>> And then 1399 Somerset Avenue, which is would have been Pelatus. >> How old is that house? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> This So there's two Atwoods on Somerset 1304 and 1872. 1276. I lived in that
house. >> The Atwood one. >> So it's 1276. >> Second floor at the time was 1278. I lived at 1278. >> It's green now. >> Two two doors down for elementary school. >> Take the elementary school. Take the
brown one next to that. The green one. >> So are you saying just Bruce's or the other one that he owned, too? >> Uh Bruce's the one that she did the store next door. Is that what you mean? The other one too. >> No, he own they Bruce owned the red
house um where Ernie lived where you lived, right? >> No, I lived in the green house. >> He lived in the green house. So Ernie lived in the the one that's red. Um who lives there right now? >> Leslie's daughter was there. Did she Did she move out? >> Leslie Atwood's daughter lived there. We
went to a tour of her home one year. >> Okay. Just redone over that they've been working on. Scott was doing work on it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I hadn't thought of that one. The other one that I was thinking of is the one up
here. I think it's 926 Somerset Avenue. >> Currently got a for sale sign on it. >> The blue house. >> Oh, Mrs. Watson's house. Mrs. Watson's house. >> That house. >> And the other further one is Phil Brook. It's got all the rod dendron, but >> you can't see it because there's big
bushes in front of the house. >> I don't know the date of that house either. >> I think there is a form on that one. >> Okay, >> that was what I had picked. And I think there was another one, too. And like I say, I lost my paper and I can't find it.
>> Well, there's the old old house on Lincoln A near uh between Rafa and the store. The one on the hill, the bread. >> Yeah. 17 something something. >> Yeah. >> What's their names? I know the people. I know their name and I can't think.
>> They cut down the tree. The the evergreen tree. And they did a great landscaping. I don't know who owns the house now, but they do a lot. >> You're talking about the little cape. >> The what? >> The little cape house. >> Like the blue house or is it brown house? Cuz on the corner I thought there
was a little blue house. Yeah. The one next to the liquor store. Next to the liquor store. It's either one next to it or skip one. >> Johnny's liquor. And the house right next to it. >> It's either next to it or skip one. I'm not sure. >> I can't picture it right now.
>> The one next to Johnny's Liquor. Whoever used to own that house put a historical mark. It says 1775. >> Okay, then maybe it's that one. >> Not even sure if it's actually 1775. >> See, we're only concentrating South Dayton. You know, you got to consider this more of >> Yeah, I know. And then I tried to get to
North Bay and then I couldn't wrap my head around. >> Some of my some of mine might end up going there. I'm not sure. >> Okay. What do you got? >> So, I was focusing on street uh houses named like where if it's Brig Street, the the Briggs like the namesake for
things in town. >> So, I mean there's more than one like there's more than one Briggs house. Do like what do we do? Do you know the Briggs of the actual Briggs? Like the first Briggs that the street would be named after. I have a list of them. I just >> Matthew Briggs. >> There's Matthew Briggs. There's
>> started the shovel business. Yeah. >> Which some people say turned into Ames shovel. >> Ames is a really big name in shovels. But somebody else tells you that Ames comes from Norton or Eastntown breweries in there.
>> I told my husband that Matthew Briggs came and that started. So >> I know it's Matthew Briggs the according to the No, the spreadsheet I have is just all the macros sites downloaded and I figured would it be the first one? The first one's a Captain James Briggs.
>> So that was >> but he's not on Brig Street per se. Doesn't mean the street was doesn't mean the street was eventually named after him, >> right? >> But ones that like Matthew Briggs that one that address is a Brig Street address. >> Um is it David Briggs that has a Brig
Street address? Those are the only two that have a Briggs Street address. Not to say again, not to say that the namesake wasn't didn't necessarily live on that street, but I don't that's why I figured you guys wouldn't probably know who was the Briggs like whenever like
was there one in particular the street was named after. >> I don't know. But you could see how people would say, "Well, you know where, you know, like way back when, you know, well, you know, where Matthew Briggs lives, you know, so you know, over we're going over to Briggs, you know,
eventually because if you look at even Horton Street >> that that's one of the I was going to ask you that one, too. A lot of that is um was part of um Solomon Horton's farm and he had I don't know a number of sons and they divided it up and it's also
related to Simeon Horton who ends up over here. But that um they did have farms there. So I would imagine that's why it's >> the the only Horton house that's on Horton Street was Tal. Oh >> yeah, >> Horton. That's the only Horton. But
again, but there's another Horton house that's on Elm Street. So I don't know are they and >> but the Talbot house is n is 1845. That's the oldest named Horton house that we have. >> I don't know if but if but that that's a
if isn't even if it's not the person >> assuming it's tal you know it's probably a close enough descended that it might be worth recognizing that that's house a namesake for that street. L um Lincoln A. Do we the Do we know what Lincoln the oldest Lincoln? It was
a Nathaniel R. Lincoln, but that's Pearl Street, but then there's at least three four other Lincoln ABS with the last name Lincoln. Do we know? And that obviously that that street was not originally Lincoln A. So, so it would it would make sense it was a later dated
house because it I mean do you know what Lincoln and then Richmond from Richmond Hill was that what do you know what Richmond that was in particular first name? >> No,
>> there's a Captain William Richmond. >> Was it Sylvester? >> An Colonel Ezra Richmond and a >> Williams The Ezra was the oldest one. 1751 on Elm Street.
>> So it would >> ask me about Marian A. Boy, do I know who that was named after. Come on. >> Is the house still there? Is there a house with that? >> Marian AB was named after Marian Rodri. >> Oh, so for Okay. And now is that >> Esther Brook? Esther was his wife. So
Marian and Estherbrook. >> Okay. So named after the Rodri who lived over there. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Yes, I found that out. And I was talking to the granddaughter. >> She was at the community church for the
Declaration of Independence. She has dark hair. I never seen her before. She's very pretty girl. And when she was talking, she said that was my grandfather. And so I know that her people were Rodri's. Oh. >> I don't know her name now, but she's big in the church. So do you know a woman who's very pretty with dark hair and
she's big in the community church? Not off the top of my head. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not. Yeah. >> Uh, Walker Street. Is it safe to assume that was Colonel? Is it El Nathan? >> El Nathan Horton. Like E L Nathan E.
>> Because El Nathan lived when you read about him, he lived close to Taton. >> And that house was dated 1750. That's the oldest of the Walker named houses. So, um, and that's on Walker Street. Actually, it's the only named this Walker burial ground. There's no other
walkers named who live on that street. So I bet it probably was. And then Williams is William Street J. Williams that lives on William Street, but that house is dated 1850.
I would imagine it might have been someone before him, but I don't know. Um, Cobb, none of them have a Cobbs Lane address, but I would imagine Cobb's Lane must have been named for one of them because there were a lot of Cobbs in the in town.
>> Um, yes. Um, William Cobb. He was a builder. >> Captain, was it was it Captain William is >> Yeah. >> to Oh, yeah. 192 Main Street. >> Yeah. >> And the carriage house. I bet it's
probably that one then >> because he had a business down there. >> Uh Smith is Smith Street. Anyone? There's a There's a David Smith house on Smith Street circuit 1881
and a Smith Street, a Smith house on Elm Street, but I don't know. And then Whit Marsh and Wheelers are the other two that I got. Wheelers. None of them live on Wheeler Street. >> Whit Marshes were all over town.
>> Yeah. Looks like Samuel Dean Whitar seems to be the oldest. Oh, sorry. No, no. Major John Hathaway Whit. >> Oh, that's on Water Street. That's Halfway House. Wrong one. So, I would
say Charles Whit and I would say Dean Samuel Dean Whit or Dean Samuel. I can't tell the way it's highlighted, but >> Okay. All right. Did you have Kenny's house on Milk Street? >> No, but I I thought about that. Yeah. >> With all those styles, blah blah. And
did you have the Smith Hall? >> Um, no. because we had already declared that locally significant because we already said the Winsow Davis Museum was significant. Oh, we did the library, too, I think. No. >> Um,
no, we didn't do the um we did the Winslow Davis House and Museum. We did the Mountain Home Company um area and Smith Memorial Hall. >> So, okay. So, we've declared those three as already being significant.
>> Why don't we just declare every property that's 100 years old historically? >> Well, that's one thing that I did, too. When I first did it, I just went to like I'm going to sort by date. This is the oldest ones in town. >> But I figured just cuz it's the oldest doesn't necessarily mean it's >> Yeah. And I looked at it as how did it
contribute to the life in the town? That's why I fig like I figured if we decide to name a street after someone, chances are they had some kind of prominence at the time. >> That that's that's what that was my mindset for mine was like >> right >> cuz like age alone will be great but is
it just old or >> No, because it can be just old but not >> relevant to actually happened in the house >> or Yeah. >> Right. >> What? I'm trying to make my house historical because I'm getting oldest parties >> for the ones who lived on Brick Street.
>> The most social house >> and the oldest um >> 1139. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, this is the form after 11:30 Brig Street, which is uh and if you flip over, you'll see the picture of the that
that's where they started the shovel. So, that's um it's closed off. You can't drive over there. M that's house and the map on the second page shows maps and bricks. >> All right. So that's in the 100 acres um >> okay that's why so >> that I don't have the one listed
separately but because it's included in that then maybe it could be that if that's 1700 then that is the oldest one and it's not anything here. I mean that's definitely you know significant I think for that whole area
>> seen this. >> Yeah. You know what and if you if you read the historical significance it says shortly after 1700 Matthew Briggs came over from England. >> Mhm. >> So it sounds like he's the first one. So I would say this house >> Yeah. >> probably is of Briggs Street. It
>> would probably be that would street. >> Yeah. Right. >> I would say so. So, I think we make a list and we work on it a couple, you know, a couple of times. Sher, do you have any that you have to add? >> I don't. I'm sorry. I don't have a lot going on.
>> Well, you >> Well, she just happens to have >> I just happen to have farm. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It actually, it's funny looking at this. I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I can see already that this is already gone right
here." >> If you read about it, it tells you who was there and blah blah blah. I thought you might enjoy >> what >> at one point in time that they had that um >> started to get that nominated for the National Register. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I've been looking through um all these maps lately just to try and find other things going on from the house. >> Yeah. But the um so this is still here. So this was the actual where they kept
the cows and they did you know they it's all still attached. >> Okay. >> So it's cool. Unfortunately, you can't get in there right now because um somebody has a bunch of stuff in there that is not my father's. And but
there's a speestous in it. >> Oh. >> So, I can't remove anything from there unless I hire somebody because I'm afraid to like or my husband can just >> Yeah. >> get a soup and start cleaning it. you can do it.
>> But um yeah, so uh this is all still good. And you know what? It's really cool. So I'm going to tell you. So one of the things, so where my bedroom is now, there is a it looks like a trap door, but you literally lift it up and it goes
down the stairs into the kitchen. And um yeah, that's where a secret pass. >> It is. It really is. It's the coolest thing ever. >> It's still there and you still use it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's you can open it up and it's and actually the stairs are
better than going down in the basement stairs because nobody's ever really used it. >> So they obviously frequently use that enough. >> Yeah. So it's really cool. And um so we were originally going to put carpet in there and we're like, "Oh, we can't do
that because that is the coolest thing." >> And so my husband thinks it's the greatest thing in the world. So when I'm sleeping, he said, "Oh, >> scared." >> Yeah. So, um, but it's really cool. So,
when you look at the floors, cuz we're going to, um, sand them and because they're all the original floors for the house and we're not removing anything. Um, we have all kinds of original things in the house, but obviously things that we now have walls in the kitchen, which
is important. Um, yeah. So, it's really, really cool. The little intricate things that I found, even some of the doorways are the original doors that still have the skeleton key. >> Wow. >> Which is on my husband's keychain
because this door right here >> is the coolest thing. So, you actually open the door with the actual skeleton key. It's the original um door right there. Wow. And so that's on my h my
husband's the happiest. He's I'm never changing that. Ever changing that. So yeah, it's really cool. All the original windows. >> Wow. >> You say wow now. >> It's a bugger.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And to try and um you know uh fix some pains. It's not cheap. >> No. Um, but yeah, so the milk house though is really cool because it says right on the outside of the milk house it says
1936 and it's all the original out front and it's beautiful. And my husband's like he's we got to clean it out. We got to clean it. We have to figure this out because even the old um fridge is still over. It's
still there. So, you can open it up. Obviously, it doesn't work, but you can open it up and it actually has the old um like fridge area that they used to keep all the milk in >> to sell. >> Nice. >> And we found So excited because remember
how I was telling you about the bottles? >> We found five in the house in random weird places. >> Bottles. >> Bottles. The milk bottles. >> How about the cases that they go in? I have one case. I have more than that.
>> I have one case. Elliot Walker. >> I know. So cool. We are on our our door knocker still says Elliot. >> Oh, that's nice. >> And we're never changing it because it does say it's a walker. And um I have his original secretary desk
>> with his original um he had um all these like pens and stuff that have like feathers and have like the ink and everything like that. So I have those. So cool. >> I have um his china set. I was like, "Oh my gosh, how cool." And
then so where our pantry is, one of the original parts of the house, my husband put all of his china set up top. Like we really did it all that way. And then on the other side, my grand my grandma and grandpa's stuff, their stuff with a
picture of them with a picture of my grand my greatgrandfather. >> Oh. Oh, wow. >> And um Oh, yeah. He did a whole section of like just historical things that meant something. And so there's a big picture like of my
grandmother and grandfather with like a prayer thing next to them. >> Nice. >> Yeah. >> Nice. >> It's a very cool home. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I'm sure it sounds it >> very very very cool. Upstairs, I'm going to be honest, it's been interesting because there's not a lot of plugs.
So, I'm like, "Oh, Lord, wait a minute. We need an AC. Where are we going to put that?" But, um, yeah, all the original windows, all the original floors. We're not changing anything like that. We're going to keep it. We're going to replace
panes, try and find the original windows if we can't replace certain things. I just really think it's pretty and beautiful. >> Sure, it is, but you need to be practical. I'm going to pay for all this. So, I don't Oh, no. This is a want, not a need. >> Well,
>> have a good time doing that. >> Well, you're >> It's like a yard someday. >> You're there, so you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's awesome. >> Yeah. Awesome. >> And my father says, "What are you doing today?" >> Nothing, Dad. Don't worry. >> Did you have any houses that you'd like
to add? >> No houses, but I would think all cemeteries significantly. Oo >> I can touch on old cemeteries. >> Yeah. >> Lots of history there for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the cemeteries >> different architect like tombstone
different ar different styles different make different designs. >> Yeah. We love that. That's why I love the cemetery the community church. I have a book on the people who carve the stones and which stones from which cemeteries the same carver carved at, you know, and it lists them and stuff.
>> I love cemeteries. >> I do too. Me, too. >> Had a picnic there once. >> Friends. >> Well, that's random. >> With friends. >> Well, some cultures they offer food. >> They bring food to us. >> Yeah. Well, when they were making, you
know, the um the garden cemeteries, the Victorian looking ones where they have all of the mausoleiums and stuff, that was the intent was so that people could go and be there with their departed and, you
know, remember and they'd have their lunchon and they'd talk >> Notre Dame and Small River, Oakrove, all those fancy ones were like intended to like landscaped like intentionally space green area to not put stones for that sake of Yeah. make like a park.
>> It's a park >> essentially. Yeah. >> And there's some beautiful ones, you know, around the country. >> All right. I will try and compile the list that we talked about. Um you'll have to send me the ones you
just highlight and you'll cut and paste. >> Yep. Sure. >> Um that you thought of. Pat, you said mainly the schools, the one room schools and range in the old town hall, the Atwood House, Bill Brooks. Oh, no, you
said Bill Brooks. >> Just one one thing that I was thinking about >> and the Wat the what used to be Watson's house. Yeah, that's got to have some history and I don't think >> that's a way up that way. >> That's a Matthew Briggs house. There was two Matthew Briggs. One was known as
Uptown Matthew Briggs and one was known as Downtown and they very they get very um mixed up. You know, like we were saying, all the names are the same. It's the same. >> What's the house that's on C or Main
Street that that Washington allegedly stayed at overnight? >> Oh, the >> maybe maybe >> St. O's used to be Maggie St. O's house. >> Oh, St. Oh, the brown tail. >> I don't know how re how how relevant how
how accurate that is. >> Lex house. >> Yeah, >> but they knocked that down Lafayette. >> Yeah, I you're saying that it's >> it's in the corner of that corner in Elm, right? >> Yeah. Right across from your red house. >> Take 21109 Elm because they exchanged
guns for >> Yeah. Yeah, I did think of that. Yeah. >> Um >> the point is what's the sense in the list? What's the what's the expectation? Well, I think if we prioritize the ones that we have significance and declare them significant um
>> so that the job is done in case something ever happens >> like to prevent what happened to the half of the house get it to that point that it is significant and then we let people know that we you know consider these to be significant and I think we have to do this kind of ties into
um the um just lost my whole train of thought the local historic districts, you know, it's like the public education sharing of the history, you know, why are things significant, you know, and important. So,
>> um I don't know, I kind of see like is this list as a way to not always be behind, you know, like all of a sudden something happens to a home and they come to us and we haven't no clue why it's significant or not. >> So that we have an idea why something is
significant. >> Oh, we just want to be prepared. >> Yeah. proactive essentially. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Because >> but of course it doesn't carry any clout because some of these places that we're mentioning are town owned >> and if they're not going to update and upkeep
>> Carnegie Library Knee Library if they're not going to >> one room schoolhouse. >> So if they're not going to think it as a priority and why should >> why should other homeowner that this here wants to use her own original glass? >> Yeah, I know right. >> You're sweet. You're sweet. But it's so
nice. >> Yeah. >> I just didn't know the expectation. >> Yeah. Just just to be a little more prepared at least to keep it, you know, in the back of your mind in case something comes up or whatever. >> Is it a list that you that we would eventually send to the selectman or is it more of an intern? Not we wouldn't
share that we wouldn't share it, but is the intent to share it with anybody specifically or or is it more just a log and file for us? I think for right now a a a place for us, you know, suppose we're not here, you know, and the board is all changed.
>> Bennett's house on >> that's the Richmond house. >> Oh, that's the Richmond. >> Okay. >> You know, so like as the board the would change, >> you want them to know what we have already. Yeah. you know, kind of like a little
proactive, a little And of course, we know that any of these buildings, if they're condemned, it doesn't matter >> what we said, what happened there. Right. >> Right. So, okay. The only ones I thought of anything that
was ever a a tavern or a store, but just the fact that this used to be a store doesn't necessarily make it historically relevant. But are there any that were >> high-profile areas of commercial buildings in town ever that are still
standing? >> Oh, >> not not not not now as a commercial place necessarily, but like oh so and so's house that used to be a general store. That was the only general store for 20 years. Does anything like that exist? So still s in town. >> What is the oldest business?
>> Would it be still exist? >> Yes. >> The oldest business. >> Uncle Bill's saw thumb was uh you know Uncle Bill. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That was a blacksmith shop, right? >> And the top of it was a different business. They took the blacksmith shop and they added another business to it
>> and turned it into a single family house. >> Right. So it's not a a business anymore. At one point I had a list of the businesses and it was the Daniel Andrews grocery store. >> That was the >> 290 Main Street. >> That was the red and white
>> uh Babbot Store. >> That's um >> 1056 center >> down center street. That's near the church. That's a house now. >> Uh pit store in mail. >> We have um profit's house in the brick. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. >> What about the white one across on Pine Street?
his father's >> um pit store and mail station. >> Thank you. >> You win store and mail station >> 2117 Williams. >> Here here is form B for store and mail station which is now which is now
>> Doodles do care. What >> if you've seen on Facebook doodles? Happy doodles. Happy doodle doodle dogs. Have you seen nothing >> that came before? They came before zony board. >> Yeah, happy doodle doodle. >> That's where the
>> It's a a doodle doodle doodle daycare place. Yeah, they came before they came before that at all anymore. >> Well, they have a business, >> but it was a mail station and it was a store, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And then I have a Joseph Gooding clock
shop. Oh yeah, that's that's >> 1209. >> Yeah. So that's where the um dentist office is. >> Um we have a a golf store. Benjamin says Benjamin Golf House and store 2709 Wellington. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Near the church. >> Church. Yeah. >> The this map just called the Engles and Store on 408 Maine. So, it must have been a house that was known by the Engles and Lincoln house. It's also called a store. 408 Main
Street. [Applause] >> That would be up towards your way, right? 408. Is that Uncle Bills? >> Well, because the library is 395, Uncle Bills.
>> Bam. Look at that. If you read the write up on the next page, half of it was a blacksmith shop and half of it was another shop. They put the two together. So yes, that's your Engle stores. >> Alan Alen the library. >> Oh, big deal.
>> So this was at one point commercial. And then uh Haway Brown, well Brownathway House and Tavern on 214 21104 Elm Street. >> Yeah, that's on the planner. Okay. And
then the Allen Cibble Hathaway and Telephone Exchange >> on 420 Main Street. >> That ring a bell to any No, no pun intended. No pun intended. Ring any bells. Uh to you guys that that's what the the macro site calls it. The
Hathaway Allen Cibil. So probably Allen Civil Hathaway House and Telephone Exchange 420 Main. If Uncle Bill is 408, it's got to be on Uncle Bill's side. Only go up more. >> His house, Fornia's house.
>> John Foria. Yes. >> 420. >> Okay. >> I didn't know it was a telephone exchange. >> I didn't either. >> And then there's the really pretty red house that puts the candles in the windows every day. Beautiful home. They
redid that. It's beautiful. Same side. Oh, I know. I know. Yeah. Really nice. They did a nice job on that. >> So, yes, apparently the the historic name is the Allen Civil Hathaway House, but the common name says New England Telephone Exchange, the John and Rose
Bulier House. >> Those names don't mean anything to me. >> Yeah. Is that the brick? >> Not the brick building, but I mean, is that where it's either Forners or the Red House? Yeah, >> it is. It's Main Street. It address is Main Street, but it's on the corner the
the corner of Maine and Palmer Street. >> That's is it >> right there? >> Yeah, that's that. >> Okay. >> I like talking about this kind of stuff. Really? I do. >> Evidently, you don't.
>> I was hoping that the commission really >> No, I know. Me, too. I just couldn't resist the compliment. >> I know. >> Moving on. >> Okay. >> Oh, that name John Boulder was a selectman in town 1939 to 1949. >> Nope.
>> And it was a switchboard was located in that house. It's kind of hard to read. It's all in cursive writing. It's very hard, but >> not very good cursive. >> No, it's not. >> Method.
>> Yeah. telephone office and switchboard and operator for about 40 years 9 1900 to 1940 say this dial phone and then it said Rose and John Bulier most of that time so it looks like
Bulier lived there while it was also the switchboard location apparently >> don't uh Edonia over in Berkeley >> Locust Street >> she ran the dispatching center out of
her house, >> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For years. >> That's what they did. Wow. >> Okay. Next. Um Kat, you had a list of demolished
historic properties. So, I started printing them out. I started with four. So, this of course is the James Smith house on the corner of Maine and 138. Yep. >> Then we are talking about the 2120 Water
Street then my favorite red and white market and then I also that's why I put the pit store and mail station on the same street. So that's the first floor that I have. >> Okay. >> Oh, so that hasn't been redone. It's
it's it's completely demolished now. >> Nope. They said it's Go buy it. It's red. If you see a doodle. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> you can pet the dog. [Laughter] >> It's right across from Camber's house.
>> Okay. Yeah. And it was a mail station for the town. >> You're kidding. >> Pit store and mail station. That's what it used to be called. that it's a house now. Yep. >> Did you get all those?
>> I have >> the James Smith house that was on the corner. >> Has a list. I'm sure she has a complete list of >> I have I have a list of um some that Marina gave, you know, that have been demolished. >> Do you have the form B's? >> Um
>> why should I reprint them if you already have one? No. Um, no, I don't have the formbs. Um, but I have a list. Some of them like the James Briggs never had a form B done. >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Surprise. >> That is a surprise surprising.
>> Yeah. Um, so there's like the James Briggs. She has quite a few. I'll send them to you. >> Thank you. Yeah. And then there's like from a long time ago the Atwood Walker House that would be down
>> that had the paneling which is in the historical society hall. >> That would be the Walker. Um no that's >> different Walker. >> Yeah that's David Walker Lima. That was the Lima house. From what I can figure out the Atwood
Walker house actually went um it might have burned now that I think about it. I've just like red pieces here and there. Um, but it's down towards almost like where the Sand Piper Lane is down that far. There was never a form B for
the Nathaniel Fisher House, was there? >> I don't know. >> Uh, yes. A form. There's a >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Reverend Nathaniel Fischer House. >> Yeah. Dig 110 >> is the macros number.
>> So this is the halfway. >> Okay. >> It doesn't. So, next we have the updated local historic district book. >> Yep. 2020. That's the most recent. So,
I don't know. Um, so I I kind of like went through it and I think we have to do some other kinds of educational things. This is my opinion before we start really talking about local historic districts. you know, like we're talking about significant houses. Um,
and then I I started brainstorming with myself and I'm like, "Oh, stop." You because, you know, offering programs or opportunities for people to come and talk about their houses, something that revitalizes an interest in the houses. I know there's a lot of stuff like online
that people say and do, but a more positive environment for our history. Um I'm not quite sure how we going to do all that but that's the way I was thinking. Um >> do you think first we we as a boarding
become more knowledgeable about it? >> Us to become more knowledgeable about it and also you know being to talk more with the community about it. >> Is that from the book that show printed last time? Right. That's the one that shared with you.
>> Yeah. >> Um, so a couple of, you know, like a couple of things that struck me is like it doesn't prevent all changes from occurring, >> right? >> It doesn't that's a big one. >> It doesn't for people to be aware halt growth, but it allows for thoughtful
consideration of change. >> Dyon also has a master plan that was from I think like 2014. Does that sound right? >> Yes. And there's some historic stuff in that. >> Um, >> we could just go back. So, you said it
doesn't halt growth, but it what >> allows for thoughtful consideration of change. >> So, that was definitely relevant for me on zoning and I would say planning board should know too that if a district were established, we can't tell someone what to do with the house that's already
there, but we can have some it seems to be more say as to what goes in, >> right? And the other >> and that's relevant for me to know and I think our board the zoning board should know once we know exactly what that means as to like hey we have a house coming before us in that district it
could be a potential reason to to deny if we feel like hypothetically you know so that's that's good to know that it doesn't halt growth by right but at least can >> one of the things too is to have discussions with your other boards and commissions and a big one is the zoning
and so my question to you as a member of the zoning is has the >> chairman as the chair instead of the vice chair here there. >> Um, you know, has the zoning board ever
talked about the historical parts of it or pieces of it? >> The only time was recently with the halfway house when someone which which at that point we already knew was being condemned. That was the only time that the historical
Uh that's not entirely true that that in terms of like within an actual already predetermined district. >> However, there was a house that was put before us at in the Mount Hope area. >> Mhm. >> That was going to be in the middle
of I can I can show you. It's it's been appealed right now. We denied it because we just felt like we didn't need to put a house in the most congested part of town, especially where there other reasons to deny it wasn't just that reason, but a lot of it what a
lot of the abuters had to say was the historic nature like do we want to keep adding, you know, things to the to ruin the historic integrity of the neighborhood. So now that's obviously that's not an actual deemed historic district yet, but that's the only other time I can think of when the historic
nature has come up. the halfway house and then the one within that whole area. >> So what are they trying to do? Push a piece uh a building into a small wash. show you right now. Okay.
So right here, [Music] as you can see, that's Bedford Street >> Prospect. This white right there is an easement. Right there is a shed.
Another shed in an out building. They wanted to put a house. Oh, that was in back of the um >> the building was calling it 22R. >> Yeah, Summer Street. >> It was in it was the easement where the people on Summer Street go into their garages.
>> Correct. Correct. So, the reason why the Dyon zoning board denied it. One was that you you have to have a 175 ft of frontage between that entryway there and that entryway
air. The applicant was saying combine those our frontage here and our frontage here. That's how much frontage we have. Your frontage has to be contiguous. >> No, that's not. >> So, we were like, no, that that's already not going to work. So, if you were to pick one of them, it's still going to be way too narrow, which you
can which we can say it's okay. is narrow. That's part of what you know the variance is. We felt like it was too narrow. >> They want to stick it in there. >> They want to tear they they weren't going to put anything new. They were going to build tear down the biggest
shed garage is what it was called on their plan and put a house right in that same footprint. So, it wasn't going to be any bigger. It was just going to be >> an eyesore. It's an ISR is an ISR right now because of how like Jim is this
close to making these all have to come down because how how condemned they are. They're not condemned by that definition, but >> they build those structures without permission. >> No. So those were there back when the village started essentially. >> Okay. So this road that you
>> that was the road that Milikin would send his trucks to pick up trash from those people's homes. >> Right. So yeah, here's your house. Here's your shed. You know what I mean? So they've been around for a long time. >> All of these residents, no, I shouldn't say all, most of them have an easement to use that road.
>> So when there's a plow ban in effect, they all park their cars there, >> right? >> And we made sure that we told the applicant, just so you know, that easement states. So if you put a house there and sell it to somebody, you're going to have to tell them they can still go on that road.
>> Now, do they have that written in their deeds? >> They do. Yeah, >> they do. We asked them. We we not that it was going to We can't deny it because of that reason if they're being eent, but that they all we we reached out and said if you and almost all of them
suppliers copy with their deeds were in writing. It does say. So, we obviously denied it and they're appealing it. the so I can really say right now on it but um that was one historic part of town where new construction will start other than that.
>> So where did they go to appeal >> mass housing? >> Oh >> which is what any decision that the town the zoning board or planning or that's where they would that's where they go. >> I didn't I didn't know where it would go to appeal >> because you don't come back to the
zoning board to appeal a decision. >> No no no. So once they it's appealed then whatever that appeal decides is what happens. >> Correct. Sometimes they'll remand it to go back to the zoning board
where this where the state will then say zoning board you have you you looked at this incorrectly. You need to apply X Y and Z. We you need to revote on this. There are times where they'll straight up reverse our decision and that's it. Sometimes then they'll back our
decision. I don't you know >> now does the housing >> group or whatever do they ever come out to visibly look at what is being appealed? >> No.
>> Or do they just look at a map and say I would think that they would have to come out and view the site >> is what I'm saying. >> They get whatever documents that we have. So, if our documents include an aerial view, which they do, they'll see that. I don't know if they'll actually
come out, but I don't think it'll be just a black and white map. I'm hoping it'll also include a satellite view map where they can really see it. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Um, >> to answer your question, the only two
times that historic nature has come up. Now, planning, I don't know about planning. I I think there has to be more communication like between in order that to do any kind of preservation because it's planning and zoning and conservation too. >> Yes. And I would say open space >> and open space.
>> There's other board I can think of. But you that's a good point because >> if I wasn't on the historical mission, the Hathaway House coming down, I wouldn't have known that. >> I know. >> Meaning I guess what I should say is being on zoning board, I knew it was in a sort district because
of my my position on this board. Great. >> Other than that, I would have not known what areas >> boards don't look at what or further investigate their working knowledge of areas of town. Then >> it
>> am I correct? >> It depends. So when someone comes up for a special permit, one of the characteristic, one of the things that the zoning board takes into account is the area in terms of like the historic integrity, stuff like that. If it's a
variance, we simply have to vote on the shape, topography, and soil of the land. We can't say it's historic, we can't do anything. Not for a variance. A special permit, we can because a special permit requires us to consider the area.
>> So, a special permit, say they were to blast something. I'm thinking personal. um like a like a cliff and so like say across from my house there's that big cliff right there and
down street. >> Yep. And I know it was sold and they were looking to build houses but they would have to blast >> permits to do something like that is not go before the zoning board. >> Okay. Just question. >> Yeah. Special special permit for
construction >> would go. Yeah. Okay. But not for blasting like that. That would probably be up to Jim, I would imagine. But I don't even know if they >> But I mean to even do that, it affects everybody's um foundations. >> Absolutely. >> As well as
>> the terrain. >> The terrain. >> I mean drainage. >> It's Yeah. So I don't >> integrity of the street. >> There's a house there's a house that's adjacent to Zeke's. >> Yes. >> Up on up there that they wanted to do something for that the zoning board denied. Not for this reason, but all the
residents were saying they're gonna have to blast. They're gonna have to blast. What if there's damage done to my house? >> Yeah. >> And we as a D zoning board said you are right. But we as a board don't have any legal basis to deny it for that reason. The most we can say is if in the nature
of construction something happens to your foundation, >> unfortunately the only avenue they have is to >> go after is to go after the developer civily in court >> and hold them accountable. We can't say oh you might blast, you might do this
because think about it then then it's almost like where do you draw the line? You can say, "What if their crane hits my tree on the way into their property and falls on my house?" Like, "Okay, well, we can't say the crane might do damage to your tree." Like, at that point, we can't, >> you know,
>> those are all, >> what if what if your what if the construction trucks drive on my lawn, rub my lawn? >> Okay. Well, the dy zoning board can't say you we can't approve this because they might drive on to your lawn. At that point, you have to go take care of it civily. Given your statement, Zach,
about that you wouldn't have known about 2120 being in a historic district except that you were on the historical commission. >> Yeah. >> I'm thinking it would be an informative thing to share with the zoning, planning, conservation, and open space
our brochures if we go and do like a a public hearing, public input. It w it would and I would say I would have to discuss this with the board in terms of on our application when puts
from a you know one has a variance is there a line item there's not but put one in there that says is your house is is your construction because then not everyone wants to build something new. They could be willing to put on a shed. They could be wanting to you know divide their property. is is
the does your does your application the property in your application is it within a local historic district? >> We don't have a local historic district, right? So I mean >> so I mean that would be one way and also I don't know probably have to think about this a
little bit like conversations with them about what our goals are for preservation of historical properties just so that there's aware an awareness >> I would say even I'm sure it's probably within that book somewhere there there's going to be other boards that have asked
the same asked the same question. >> Right. Right. Because there's the one room of school houses. Right. like and then there's that one room schoolhouse right across from right property. That's like that to me is >> let's say let's say there was let's say someone bought a one room house
schoolhouse that's now a house and wants to tear it down completely and build a house on that same footprint >> that's happened >> we don't know that >> we we don't know his history unless the unless the applicant tells us it history. Mhm.
>> Sometimes you have some lawyers who are really good and will go for about 5 10 minutes on the history of the properties and who owned it back in the whatever date it was. But more often than that, that does not happen. >> That the school the fish school on
Wellington Street um the owner, the new owners came to us at the 11th hour and said, "We didn't know there was a six-month demolition delay. We're buying this historic property. um but we already have things in motion. Would you consider ignoring the six-month
demolition so that we can go ahead with our plans? Very nice woman. She came to the meeting and we knew that there was nothing in that house that we were going to try to salvage or other than it being a one a one room schoolhouse many many years ago. What was the significance? So
we said to her that it would be okay for her to proceed. So we overrode our own six-month >> bylaw. Interest. Now, the other question I've got, and I don't know whether you've seen it or not, and I don't know whether this is from something that we've had come to us before. Remember that woman
>> that came and had that odd piece of property? >> Yeah. >> On 138. Yeah. >> 138 sign. >> Yeah. >> Now, would that end? How would somebody buy what would they buy? That little piece there and whatever is across muddy coain
or was her piece of property where that red sign is that's for whoever wants to go look at it. We couldn't speak. >> We couldn't speak. Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz I was thinking the way she was talking I thought it was across the street. I didn't realize it was that
strip right there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like right next to And I thought where my father-in-law's house, the blue one. >> Yeah. >> I thought he owned right up to the thing, but the railro railroad
>> the railroad that whole railroad bed is owned. I don't know if it's all a part of hers, but that's all privately owned now. >> So, how big of a piece is that? Was look into it. >> Yeah. So, um, all right.
>> Okay. >> I'm going to read a little bit more. I was kind of concerned about, um, you know, and also, oh, the other thing is like talking to property owners that, you know, we're talking to the people, you know, to the public about historic
things and we did do that with Mount Hope and we have to do that again. Yeah. you know, so um I'd like to see one of the things that we work on as being like a little more in the public, >> you know, arena, I guess you would call
it. You know, food for thought for tonight, though. So, anyone have anything else about local historic districts? I think this is a little like premature for us to really be
saying that we're going to pursue it because we don't have enough knowledge ourselves. >> Think it starts somewhere. >> But I think we have to educate ourselves as to what it is and what we need to do and also to, you know, work maybe towards that at some point in time because I think about the Mount Hope
area, you know, yes, we're working on to get it on to the National Register, but that's not going to protect it. >> Correct. It's right. It's the local >> right >> that will protect it and that's going to come with more >> right >> hands raised about it >> right >> as it should. >> Yeah. >> But
>> so before we can talk about that, we have to be knowledgeable about it. >> Okay. Does anyone have anything else on it? >> All right. Um CPC didn't meet in July. The library building committee met. Oh,
it's it's coming along. The shims are on the windows. The flooring is done. Uh they're waiting for sunlight fixtures. Um the storefront glass is waiting the is in. So um for the teen
area and um they're waiting for the doors to go in the glass doors to be electrified. Um the project is on time and within budget. We don't have an opening date until the shelves are set up so that they can uh determine square footage in
order to determine occupancy. So once that's done, we're good. Um plans are in progress for the grand opening. And Mark Prochnik, the library director, he's given a pre- ribbon cutting talk here on August 28th at 6:30
if anyone would like to hear him. And then America's 250. Uh we're working on a coin design. We'll have anformational table at the Dyton Community Church on October 4th.
We still have to meet with Bristol Aggie to confirm the use of Woods Farm for the site for the reenactment. Summertime is tough. >> And our next meeting is September 8th. And we're also kind of working on some programming ideas because we had such
fun with the other ones. >> Um the write up about the play rough draft form. Oh yeah. Do you want that done for the ETH meeting? >> Um yeah. >> Before the ETH meeting so you can review it obviously. So >> yeah. Yeah, that'd be good.
I'll put I can put that on the agenda too. All right. Does any um our next meeting date is September 9th at six o'clock? Did anyone have anything else under other? No, we didn't have any correspondence.
Um historical sharing pet has something to share with us. >> 7:30. >> You brought a lot of things and I' I'd really like more than five minutes of your time to share it. So, can you put me on a little earlier next time? >> Okay. Yeah, because we'll put some of
the other stuff um make it a little shorter. I our discussion about the significant properties took a while. So, um absolutely I can do that. And the other thing, last month we mentioned if someone in town uh had passed during the month, we were going to acknowledge
their passing. >> Did we not? >> I don't remember that. >> Whoa. Okay, >> we did talk about >> We certainly said that somebody significant. >> Right. Right. Yeah.
>> Might not might not have made the minutes, but we did talk about that. Um I don't know how many of you knew Pat Mashado, lived on Center Street. She um lived in Dyon many, many years. Very nice woman. Uh her name was Francis when she was single. Um she was 74. She grew
up on Main Street. She moved to Center Street. She worked at 1712 um in Georgia. >> Oh, recently. She worked there. Wow. 1712, too. >> Yes. >> Oh, >> yes. >> And so she passed. Oh, I had her date written down. Oh, yeah. Here we go. July
22nd and she was 74. Very nice woman. >> Now, that wasn't >> young. At least his mother was. >> Yes. Yeah. Yes. Very young. Well, thank you for sharing that. Pat
was a lovely person. >> I knew her when she was a kid. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I recognize her. >> I remember her from the restaurant when her daughter was there, you know, and I my husband says, "Oh, I don't know who she is."
Jeffrey, I'll give you that. So on before he loses too much >> on the agenda, do we want to a standard place to put if we're going to mention someone who has passed? >> Well, we talked about doing that last
month. I thought we had >> I could have a special topic for it. >> And Pat, would you take charge of keeping track of that for us? >> Okay, great. >> Oh, no, that's not my father. >> Okay. His father's name was Joseph
Karen. Okay. >> So, he was not a junior. >> Leo, >> I mean Leo. Yeah. My father was Leo Cameron. >> No relation of yours either. The gentleman down here.
>> And my father's dad was Joseph Camille Karen. >> Not that I know. But that doesn't mean no. >> I just thought maybe it was a relative. >> Leo Karen. >> All right. Um, I'll entertain a motion to
>> adjourn. So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Okay, we are adjourned.