Okay, here we go. >> Violence in the workplace. >> I'm calling this to order. This is the night historical commission meeting April 14th. It's now >> six o'clock. >> Okay, very good. Thank you, Rappa. Um,
this is a Zoom and a hybrid meeting. So, we're here at Oldtown Hall and Rapa is on Zoom. So tonight all votes will have to be by roll call. Um this agenda is subject oh to revisions. We know that prior to the meeting the
listings of matters are those reasonably anticipated by the chair which may be discussed at the meeting. Not all items listed may be discussed and other items listed may not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent
permitted by law. The meeting is being recorded and will be shown later on's YouTube channel. So let's um rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> I see that Stacy is in the waiting room. So, we will move to that.
So tonight, first on the agenda is the National Register application for Maho Pension Company, an application uh to review with Stacy Spice. Hi Stacy. >> Hi Stacy.
>> We're all set and ready for you. You're muted. >> She's not ready for us, apparently. >> You're muted. >> There we go. >> You're not ready for us. >> I'm ready. You guys are ready. Right.
It's 6:02. I like it. Um so, uh I have also uh Pat, I just sent you maybe just about an hour ago a link to the whole folder for everyone. Um, so if um, you know, as we we start doing reviews and stuff, uh, it's a folder and everybody
can look at all the photos that are attached and it's the whole National Register nomination. So, it may, you know, it may change by the time, well, it probably will change uh, by the time um, Ben gets through with it at MHC, but at least you'll have everything that I've got uh, that I sent in, so you'll
have a good reference point. >> Okay. I did see that and I did forward it to everybody. >> Okay. I'm on it now. >> You're on it now. >> It says you have to request access, though. >> Oh, gee. All right. >> Yeah. So, I sent you a message to request access for it. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, did I? Yeah. >> Okay. All right. I will check. Let's see. >> So, you can do that after and we can take because that'll be like a living document kind of thing. >> Exactly. And so, as um the update, sorry, my dog is in the corner of my
office getting her bed just right. >> Oh. She's going crazy trying to make the the bed just soft enough. Um >> she's a rescue. She knows she's hit the big time here. >> Um yeah, so that'll be a living document and that way you'll have everything
that's the most up to date. Um >> okay. >> Uh I will double check. U that may be because I sent it as a link. Um >> so you'll just like send the access or whatever we need to get. Yeah. So that that way you'll have everything I've got. So um I did hear back from Ben. he
had some um he wanted me to kind of reformat some stuff. So, I'm I have a project going out the door this week hopefully. And so, I'll be uh making those changes real quickly and then he's going to look at the whole thing and all the boundaries and everything. So, >> since it's such a big document, he's going to it's going to take a little
while. Well, take a while for him to work his way. I had emailed him and he basically said um you know told him that we had the draft and said like section 8 to re to reformat. Is that >> Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, section eight.
>> It's not adding anything. It's just the format. >> No, it's just justing it around. Yeah, there's nothing new to be added. It's just re It's formatting a different way. Um yeah, I it was formatted more as if I were writing, you know, a very big area form. And so I'm like, "Yeah, he's
right. I need to re I need to format it more as a compelling argument for why it's uh National Register eligible. So, >> okay, >> you know, we kind of we're kind of, you know, I've been working on it so long and you've been thinking about it. It's like, of course it is. We all know that.
So, he's like, you need to you need to write it as if somebody's reading it cold, which they will. So, I was like, oh, that's good feedback. So, um I'm just going to rework it. >> Okay. Okay. So, um, while we're talking about Ben
and Mass Historical Commission, he I got a copy of the letter that they've received it, you know, and all of that and the process once they review it, they'll be able to schedule the nomination for the state review board. >> Um, so the process we've started.
The other thing is I had also emailed Ben telling him that we had a copy of the draft and we'd already hold like a publicformational meeting. Um, so he says that we don't really need to do another one until the nomination is is
in a final state and scheduled for the state review. So I think we're good there because generally um the people that attended that meeting were in favor. However, but there's like 27 new properties that were added. >> Yeah, he uh part of his uh that's one
thing I need him to to go through what part of in that letter he had sent us back when um uh the area form got sent in and you just you know and we you were asking you know do you think it could be eligible? What do you think? He had said that he needed me to look at anything
that was associated with Mount Hope that they owned or occupied or rented out or >> so that's one thing that I it's smart that he's um you know that to hold off on a final uh property owner
>> um meeting because he may he said throw in everything that is that you know has a reasonable amount of uh integrity and was owned by uh Mount hope. So, I threw in everything. So, he he may come back and say, "You know what? I think some of these don't have as much integrity." He
may have some um ideas about pulling it tighter. Um that's why you'll find some that you'll find those kind of discontiguous uh properties. >> Yeah. >> It's a different set of rules for National Register. So, he said even if it's discontiguous, put it all put it all in because it was owned by Mount
Hope. and I tracked down I think pretty much as many as pretty close to perfect on uh how many buildings I think they owned or had their hands in. So, um uh we'll see. So, yeah, that's he will probably have some comments about uh
what the final count looks like. >> Okay, Zach, you had a question. >> Yeah, only because it kind of relates to the um I had a bunch of on this anyway, but this is a good time to bring it up. Um, one of my questions was, um, so Winter Street and Autumn Street. >> Yes.
>> Those were two streets that were laid out by the company by Maho Finishing. >> Yes. I've got >> expanding boundaries even though I think only one if any houses remain. >> Yeah.
>> There's word two. >> Yeah. So, I included it. Um, I expanded it to include I think it's >> there is one on autumn 87 >> one on a like 876 autumn or something and five let's see hold on a sec.
>> Right. But looking at the boundaries like it almost doesn't include Wind Street at all. I don't know if it's worth including. >> Yeah, I know. That was part of that's one of the questions I want to talk to him about because so the buildings otherwise are all much younger than um
Mount Hope. So it was kind of weighing that question. Do we include the streetscape? I mean, do we include the physical street because it was laid out by Mount Hope and or Olmstead even though the buildings most of the buildings on there are not. So that's definitely I agree that's definitely a
question to have with him. >> One thing, >> one thing, too, I found this in our town vault um kind of by accident. I was working on another project. We have blueprints that were submitted to the town, hard copy ones of the Mount Hope Street. So, the original with I don't
know if there any parcels on it, but at least like plans that were submitted to the town for road acceptance. >> Oh, that's cool. Okay. >> We don't have digitally, so you wouldn't have known about those because they really interesting. >> They're I found a hand I took pictures
of them. Um I can take better ones, too, if they're things that you think could be worth actually including. >> Um I can send Pat the pictures that I took for now if you want those. >> Okay. And there might be now that I know there's some. There could be more, but they seem to all those seem to all be in
one place. So, I don't know if there's more, but >> yeah, that's really interesting. I know there was a um that'll be, if nothing else, a really interesting snapshot in time, especially as they brought in um as Olmstead was brought in, you know,
what parts. One of the things I had to really attempt to kind of tease out was and and Ben was saying, you know, if you're really going to if you want to nominate it for um significance for its association with Olmstead, you kind of need to tease out how much of it was Milikin and and Mount Hope and how much
was um Olmstead. And that was a little tricky. So it actually if you've got a road acceptance map, that might help. You know, if it falls before that initial conversation between Mstead and Milikin, that might be really interesting. Yeah. Milikin was on the
road commissions like he was heavily involved. Not only did you play that on the floor that kind of that's a whole another topic, but um >> Oh, yeah. It was the more I the more I found out I know um uh I'm forgetting her name. Was it Kelsey? Chelsea that who did the the
master's on it. >> It was Yes. It was so interesting because she had said that they were was so intertwined and the more research I did it was like oh wow everybody you know was on the commission was voting for the thing and I'm like wow there wasn't really a whole lot of um you know
I need to you know step aside for this because this might be a conflict of interest that was does not appear been much of a a concern. Um, also Bailey Street, I know those houses which and I'm so I've been working on a project of our
town street names and our street history and I Bailey Street is named after the Bailey's because they that family goes back to that area a long long time ago. >> Yeah, there was a Bailey's house somewhere right in there >> on Summer Street. Right. The only thing is that I don't think Milikin laid out
Bailey Street because all of those houses are 1950s post him. Right. So, so he wouldn't have named So that would not have been a milk uh a Bailey Street, right? I mean, that would not have been Milan Street Pat,
>> I think. Yeah. Um Yes, because I think that got popped in later. Yeah, if that's 50s because that where that Bailey Street is um >> was originally where Olstead was thinking
>> with houses like in the by the late 1920s, wasn't he? pretty much. Yeah. By 29. And I'm thinking >> I'm thinking of the map I had seen. I think Bailey Street was kind of where um I think there were plans for it maybe
because there's that Rotary right where Prospect and Bailey's come together. And the reason why I brought that up too is that looking at deed research um on the corner of I think it's summer school and prospect
where they all meet >> or no maybe it was um either way it was it was in that area a Emerson Bailey's I don't think last year it was but it was in the 20s at least
>> deed over at the property >> and in the deed it mentioned something about for a new roadway >> and at that point Chase Street was already laid out. So it was like was that Bailey Street? But >> yeah, you know what? There was also and you know what I should do actually now
that we're at this point too I will I have that one um I'll do that shared that whole shared file in Dropbox also what I can do is >> um because there's so much more and it was kind of just a you know how how to you know there were some things that
were unbuilt um and at one point Winter Street >> was there was a there's a plan for Winter Street to keep continuing north and connect with Summer Street and Arm Street to keep going east. >> Yeah, exactly. You got you'd have the whole cross. And so it's really interesting, especially if you look on
Mass Mapper, like the GPS, the GIS for the whole state. >> It's really interesting. You can see these little traces of things >> like Yeah. >> that didn't get built. There was also a street that was going to connect Bedford
Street to Andrews Street. And you if you look at the GIS maps, you can just see a little stripe there. That was Yeah, it's really once once you know what you're looking for, you're like, "Oh, there's a street in there." So, what I can do is
um uh on that folder, I'll set aside I did download a bunch of the um uh Olmstead files that they either from Library of Congress or the Mstead site that they made available on Flickr and things. I can upload some of those and
you can um have fun with that because that may answer some you may see things in there that may answer some of your questions. >> Then also the um blueprints done by the mutual insurance company that that we found after the
fact in American textile. >> Um there's three total. Oh, because I'm only seeing because I had I had thought there were three and then I went to the textile that link back to the to University of Southern Maine and I only found two. So, I was wondering if
>> we talked about a lot at the last meeting and it's almost like the one that you have that goes not the not the one that's like a bird's eye, the one that's more like a detailed floor plan, >> like a plan. Yeah. >> There's one that looks similar to it. And if you zoom in, there's things on
the third. There's it >> streets or parts of streets on the third picture that aren't on that one. >> Oh, interesting. >> There's only the two. There's only cuz I thought there might have been a third and then I went to double check the citations through University of Southern Maine and I'm only showing uh showed two
of them. If you can re send me that, that might be interesting. That might help me clarify some of some of the descriptions of the buildings >> only cuz I have it up right now. Not not not that you to open and look at now if I can send it to you right now while I'm thinking about it if you >> Okay. Yeah, that's how I like to do
things too. Um yeah, I'm writing myself a note. Add blueprints to folder. Okay. So, that was one of your your questions. We've talked about why it looks more disjointed. That was another chunkiness. It just
looks so chunkiness even though >> it looks so strange. And so and and I I talked to I well I corresponded with Ben about that and then he sent me back to the um you know one of the how-to guides with um because this was definitely the most disjointed one I've ever done. And so I
went he was sent me back to one of the how-to guides and I'm like yep that's exactly how it says you know. So, it looks really strange and I know that we'll have to um when we get to that point, uh, you know, presuming there because there are going to be disjointed ones because you're going to have, for example, the bungalows at the top of
North Walker, you know, is pulled apart. So, that'll definitely be a question I imagine the public will have will have questions about as well, >> right? Yeah. Um, but also the possibility not all of those properties would be included.
>> It's possible. I know some of the I I went back and forth on some of the ones um especially over the Taunt line because they were more altered and there were a couple of actually there's a couple of them maybe one or two that I
found in Taon but you would never know that that's what they were. I think they started off looking you know if you look at them you squint at them you can kind of see underneath what they might have been. Um, >> interesting too because we talked about how the is a a farm. >> Yeah. The divine. Yeah.
>> And what's interesting is that we and Dan know that it was once farm, but the mattress form that Tata did obviously it was it looks pretty old. B I think the font of it is actually >> I think it's from like the 70s or 80s. They call it >> and they never even mentioned it being that whole,
>> right? Isn't that interesting? Post 1950. Yeah. >> Yeah. So I and that's one thing I had to talk that I mentioned at the last meeting was when you include forms from other towns. Is that a tough one? Not tough. >> It's just they're they're a snapshot in
time >> like >> based on whatever information sometimes they're really um especially I just did um a townwide survey for uh downtown denim and those were the oldest those were like original forms from the 60s
like the like 1967. >> Um and those were isn't it a pretty house? There's nothing there. Um so the only thing I could really salvage in most times was you know a passing reference and just that you know and I already had a macros number. So what
they do is when um things get uploaded into macros they load all of them consecutively. So you'll see the most recent one and so if um what would happen if the farm is included in the national register nomination, it'll pull up and it'll have the register
nomination and then it'll have the old form as well so that you know people can get the whole picture. Um and also I think the older form had one of the buildings that's gone now. So it's helpful that way too because some of them are gone. But yeah, the the standards even for a a national register
nomination in the 70s or early 80s was it's a pretty house kind of. I mean there's there's usually not a lot to it. So, >> but yeah, it doesn't what they'll do is they will probably what um when they update MRIS they would put in they would
add a secondary name on there and it would say Mount Hope Farm and then it would also say divine farm. So, >> did you have to do the research to show that connection? I did I was able you know what else I can do I did find it's really you know if um you could go
rabbit hole but it is really interesting I will also add I pulled is uh pulled a lot of um I did have to do the deed research for all the taunt ones to confirm >> um the uh there's some really interesting plans especially for that
farm um about how you know it was all being sold as chunks um Mount Hope formed a real estate company to kind of dispose of everything when it came when it came to the end. >> Yeah. The Dyon realy company. >> Yeah. Dyon realy. And then there was another one another one actually that
started a little bit earlier because I think they were like in 49 before even the strike. So they were starting to divest even before that. There's a whole I'm sure there's a story in there too. Um and so they had another name in there in between for some of the properties.
So I will I can also just for your own >> rabbit hole research um I have lots of plans of things. Um when I did deed research and sometimes they have the buildings but that whole that whole parcel that got sold the farm that got sold goes all the way from the factory
behind all those houses on Summer Street and it just kept going. It's huge. >> Yeah. It's a huge piece of property. Um, so you added all of the School Street um houses in there. Is that because they're
all in the same area? Um, I did de I did the deed research. I double checked my deed research because some some of those were um when I did them for the uh area form when I did the survey would there would
be a passing reference that you know Mount Hope owned it for a little while but it wasn't you know they were much older than Mount Hope you know Mount Hope bought them somewhere along the line um so those got included and then I was I also was using um some of the maps
the maps and the Mount Hope maps I was able to get my hands on. Um, and some of them would mark which ones were owned by Mount Hope. Um, so I was able to kind of uh triangulate, you know, between this map that says it should be and then my
own deed research and know and then when I started I went worked my way down Lincoln Avenue too and I started to realize there were >> once Den once Ben made that he said I need you to run them all down to make sure it started it kept going and going. So that's how it got to be as big as it
is. So he made >> both properties on Lincoln Avenue and then like Five on School Street. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of funny because both of those Lincoln and School were both one time area forms that were being worked on. >> Right. We have area forms.
>> Yeah. Exactly. It it was interesting because what really happened is when that shift from I hadn't realized the scope of it until he he kind of posed that question. I said, "Oh, you know, I really got because we didn't run I ran a lot of chains of title for a lot of the stuff on Lincoln and school, but I didn't run
them run them all. But then once I was able um once he kind of once he said I need you to make sure um running that back I was looking at the maps going yep yep yep y >> so um yeah that was kind of a surprise how far it went and that was really the
shift from when Mount Hope was building its own houses to when they said you know what this is a lot >> and then they started you know after the 20s moving into the 30s anything they were buying things buying existing buildings and so that's how you got things that were a lot older the Mount
Hope. They owned them, but they hadn't didn't have them built, >> right? Um there were a couple of properties that were deleted like 64 Street, 626 School, 94 Stoddard, and then two on
Summer Street, 154, 159. Was there a reason or >> uh Stoddard? Um yeah, I debated on that one. Uh that one actually was never owned by Mount Hope. Um it was
owned by a um in the early days the very when they when Mount Hope was starting to was starting really ramping up you know 1907 1908 they brought if I'm recalling correctly it was um I think it was another English
gentleman or a gentle he someone who brought in as management they kind of brought in talent and he owned the house for a year or two but Mount Hope appears to have never owned it. Okay. >> Um, and then he s he was gone pretty quickly, so I decided to drop that one.
Um, >> yeah, because it's in the original format, not in the national record. >> And then the one on >> Yeah. >> Yeah. the bungalow on oh the little the little one on school street between the
time I did the area form and um the time the register nomination got built they made a lot of alterations to it and it doesn't really look you can't can't can't really tell what it looks like it doesn't look like what it did just a couple of years ago
>> and so I I made the call that I think the in the integrity has been lost Okay. >> Um, you know, we can make that call. But I just thought, you know, because I was trying to keep this as tight as possible and I thought, you know what, it really they really it's changed so much that I think it's it's not included.
>> I think they did lay out that like they did lay out that street saw because I remember looking at one of the houses for the D research where the street name came from and it mentioned like so and so conveyed land from Mount Hope.
>> So I I don't know. Yeah, because I there's it was a shame when I realized how much that little school street house that little bungalow was that they're actually in the either Olmstead or National I mean or Library of Congress, one of them, whichever one has the photo albums.
>> Oh, it must be Olmstead. They h actually have all sorts of photos of that one house being built and what it was like right after it was built. And I was like, "Oh, come on. I have good photo documentation. Don't go and change that one." Did you find out if two 238 Chase Street
was not a Mount Hope House? Only because on the macro site and on on the macro site and on the new boundaries, there's one parcel on Chase Street that's not part of it. But on the
macro, if you click on it, it says Mount Hope finishing company worker house built in, assuming that's right, built in 1920. I just interesting that like it's not included but it was built in 19 but it it says in Mount Hope House >> 238 >> 238 >> right here
>> see that one parcel right there. >> Yeah >> on the original plans and that it's not included but it does say >> yeah it may be let me check this 238 >> there's no individual form for the house though. Yeah, it's probably from when
the area the area form was done in um like 2000. >> Yes, I think >> yeah, >> I think I did some deed research on that one. Um need to look at it.
Uh, Chase Street, North Don, look at you. Yeah, I think I can double check that one, but I seem to recall that it was not there.
I will double check, but I think I for whatever reason it I think it didn't show up in my maps of what was included. um when they were clearing things out, but I can check my files. >> Okay. >> So,
that kind of answered my question for now. It covered all the things we talked about at our last meeting, plus you know, the changes in the streets. So I guess is it worth then including the Mount Hope farm even
though like the Taton site, sorry the Tata Mus form won't be able to support that it was a Mount Hope like would a separate form have to be done on that property to include it because like I said the Tata Mus form doesn't say it was Mount Hope. We know it was. >> Yeah. No, they'll he'll he'll re they'll
revise that once we give them enough information because I've got deed research and such. Um Okay. So that yeah they'll they'll amend that once they get on these forms anytime that you they get new information they just they they'll change it accordingly. >> When you mean the mass historical
commission >> yes mass historical will make we'll make the the change to to note that we you know we've documented that it was part of Mount Hope. So um >> my questions are answered. Does anyone have any other questions for right now?
Rafa, do you? >> No, I don't. >> Was Warner Boulevard put in after >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah, it was put in um It was definitely near the It was put in later. It was kind of
moving maybe right before 1950. Um it was definitely a later end of things. >> Yeah. Um, and since I and I didn't I didn't go too far with that because I didn't have a whole lot of buildings that fronted on it, but that was definitely um a plan to
kind of get things uh be able to ship things >> right >> better, >> right? >> And I did I also >> in the 60s um that was even considered a new road. >> There's actually a blueprint form of that >> because I know people that you there was
nothing on there. It was just a straightaway. So there was a lot of like street racing. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> 19 So the blueprints actually show in show
a 1959 state highway and it's the the deeds. The blueprint plans say March 17th, 1959. M >> and it was the plan it was the plans
laid out for the highway as by the public works. There were I do seem to recall I'm thinking because there was a lot of um I'm trying to think right cuz right where Stoddard between like where
Stoddard is and right in that area it was that's kind of where there was there was a church at one point and I think I've seen photos somewhere of them sort of blasting through that to create Warner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because there's rocks there was rocks there. >> Yeah.
>> Still is. Um, what was I thinking? >> All right. So, process from here, Ben, you're going to reformat the section. >> Section 8 is going to be re I'm going to make I'm going to go into sales mode and uh >> Okay.
>> sell the world on how how significant it is. Um, yeah. And then he um and then Ben will have a look at it and then he'll start to process um you know trying figure out whether or not he agrees with the boundaries and then at some point he'll do a site visit and and
and visit it himself. So >> okay. Okay. So um so when they start making any of their changes too, they'll send it back to us again for another review. >> Yep. they'll they'll send it back to me and then I'll us and then I will I'll
make the changes that that need to be made. So they he'll he he he and the other I think there's one other reviewer will have a better once especially once they've done the whole review and then once they do a site visit he'll kind of come up with a plan and then he'll send something he'll send back probably a couple pages of comments.
>> Um which I'm Yeah, it given the size and scope of this it probably be a lot of pages just because it's a lot of information. Um >> there is I mean >> in a good way. I mean >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was Yeah. My proof reader was like this is like the most she said this
is the most densely information dense thing I've ever sent her and she had worked on the area forms. She's like this is a lot of info. I'm like it is >> too much not enough. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know reading it you know you're reading first in the first section I'm like okay I can get through
this. And then I started section eight and I was like oh I think I need to take a break. It's a lot. I know. So, so that'll be a good part of it that he wants me to is kind of back it up a little bit, do more of a, you know, a
pitch for, you know, a statement of why it's significant and then I can back it up with all that. So, it'll be good. It'll have it'll have some better introductory paragraphs and then I can, you know. >> Okay. Um, anyone have anything else?
>> No. >> Okay. I will look for um the requests for access and then I will also upload some more information. Uh you know I've got I'll I can just start um >> I've got lots and lots of plans from the uh registry of deeds from when I was doing stuff and that might be really
interesting um if nothing else for your for your you know if you're if you have insomnia right and >> for your research rabbit hole >> and Zach has sent >> I just did >> the third one. And did you send the blueprint? >> I did. Okay. I said there might be more
coming depending on the vault, but like the ones I found are Yeah. >> All right. >> Awesome. Well, thank you, Stace. >> Yeah. So, let me know. I will um I will also once I make the changes and uh to
go back to Ben, I'll also upload that into that whole folder. So, that will be it'll be a you know, it'll be up to date with whatever >> we'll all be on the same page >> and you can just send you'll just get notified when there's something new to look at >> probably. Yeah, it'll just come through Dropbox. >> Okay.
>> All right. Thanks so much. >> All right. Thank you. >> Enjoy this. Enjoy this summery weather when you're done. >> Oh, I know. >> It's going to be 47 next week. So, >> exactly. This My snow shovel is right by the front door. That hasn't changed. >> I'm not messing with the snow gods. All
right. Have a lovely evening. >> All right, Stacy. Thank you. Bye. >> Bye. >> Okay. Awesome. We're making progress. >> Yes. >> I know this is I'm excited now, but we have a long ways to go.
>> It's kind of funny how like based on her experience and said that this is one of the biggest ones she's ever done in terms of discover. It's kind of cool to know that our small town is was able to to provide that much information. But I think a lot of it is because of the history of Milican and Mount Holt being
so significant. I think is like and documented, >> right? >> I mean there are books written about it that you know what I mean like it helps. So >> do you have Kelsey Murphy's paper that she wrote? She wrote a paper about military.
>> I have Kelsey Murphy's and um >> so that was interesting. >> One called >> So that was that one talks about a lot of the founding of it, right? And then there's other one called the politics of paternalism New England's textile industry from corporate capitalism to
red to second red scare >> that talks about other things but actually but it talks a lot about um the mount hope leaving wanting to send it send the company south. >> So I think that's a bit more about
Milicanin as a person. >> Not it's not a ton I have it pulled up right here. It's not a ton. It it sets up the history of the topic, but there's not a ton of history in that document about the founding and the creation as opposed to Kelsey Murphy's one. But >> yeah. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. This one was by >> You want to send that to everybody? That would be cool. >> Yeah. This one's Oh, this is also by Kelsey Murphy. >> Oh, was it both? Are they both? I know she did the first one. >> I just send those to everyone so we can have it for our reading pleasure.
>> Maybe call it pleasure for sure. I >> all right moving along. So the minutes for March 10th, 2026. So Rap I just amended it for under the
minutes to say motion to accept was moved by Zach and seconded by Irene and everyone all in favor. >> It was I'm sorry. It was moved by what? uh the motion to accept that for the the minutes of January 13th.
So I motion to accept was moved by Zach, >> seconded by Irene >> and all were in favor. >> Okay, thank you. I thought there was something missing there. >> I'll just fill in the blanks for you.
>> Thank you. >> Other than that, didn't have anything else. Did anybody else? >> I didn't get to see it because >> I'll put your computer down. All right. Um motion to accept the minutes as amended. >> So move.
>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? None. Okay. We have to have a roll call. >> Okay. I >> I Raphael Delin
>> and I Pat Gails. All right. that passes. Any remembrances, Irene? >> Um, I did look up um going back to the previous month on Ron uh Smith. He was a veteran. He was on the Dyon Historical
Commission and his date was uh February 26 25th, 2026, and it was private services, which I was a little surprised. The other one I have is a Wendel K, and I think we talked about him. He was on March 13th. He lived on
County Street almost to the Dyon Somerset line. He was 85 years old and a Navy veteran. And I guess a lot of people did remember him. Other than that, I didn't have anybody else. I didn't >> I can send I'll send you um the updated
next. Thank you. So, our budget is the same. Um, as of March 31st, our balance was $56,956. I turned in the invoice for purchasing the 250th coin for $25
and also the invoice for the plaque for Cathy yellow for $92. And I do have the plaque to show you in a bit. So, um, that will bring our balance once that posts it'll bring it down to $45256. Slowly we go.
Um, unfinished business. Um, Zack, anything on preserving memories? >> Uh, just waiting for make some dates. Um, you obviously you gave me the contact information for Dorothy Garden, which is great. Um, couple things that I was curious for you
guys only because I don't know Christine. What kind of questions or topics do you want me to mention? Obviously, something's come up organically, but is there anything specifically? Oh, mention her coming for Jeff. Like, oh, she might have her talk about this, mention this, like >> have her talk about her grandfather. I
think it's her grandfather. He was um his name right now. he was connected with um Mount Hope. So she had a lot of Mount Hope in North Dan history. And she also I think she grew up
think she was a she >> think she was a Horton. >> Oh >> married name is likeorton. >> Okay. I'm not sure, but definitely she has, you know, dating connections like that.
>> Um, has she been dating her whole life? >> I do believe so. >> Or just out of curiosity. >> And then how about Joe Joe Bashiko? I know this one that I I thought of my I wanted to hear especially about his
>> Yes. his experience being on like zone like I could talk to him for about zoning board history, but I don't think a ton's going to find that that interesting. has Titan connections. >> His family. >> Yes. >> Oh, is it I actually >> he was also inspected for the septic
systems and that >> right actually good good point. I forgot that one. I was thinking more like you know subdivision coming in and like how what that did to the town. But that's a good point too about Frank up the building inspector. >> Oh no. Jo Lawrence is building
inspector. Um but the >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> But that is and then Dorothy Curry. Um anything specific to ask her? I mean considering she's the most resident but
she's got everything. >> I'm assuming she probably would be the only like we're talking about >> she did. Um, >> she born in res but she was she
>> I'm not sure but I would talk with her nephew first, you know. >> Yeah. Right. Oh, right. Yeah. >> But there probably I'm not sure how far back they go. I did look. Was she the one I kept on census
once? only because like I know I want to talk to people about like I talked to Kim talking with MNA about how when dynamic school was opened and there was a literal capital and Montyu's feud from
North A and South A coming together. >> Wow. >> Because of them it's it's super interesting because they relied on the south they relied on farms. They work for their money not the mountain home didn't but like everything was built for them. They had nice homes. They're up there.
>> And I think Milican added to that >> few their living didn't depend on the land or their or the weather. So like the as kids even even though it wasn't us doing it, it was like the North Bank and the South Bank kids, but I don't know many other people that would have
been around that are still alive that would remember that or have any, you know, because she was like in elementary school and remembers it happening. not like knowing the history of it. She actually was there. So I, you know, I don't know if she would have had any
experience with that. >> Well, my husband remembers, you know, everybody kind of looked at looked down at South D. He said when he went to school, he he calls it he went to school with the League of Nations because you had the uh immigrant farmers coming in
at certain times and they would send their kids >> to school. >> Yeah. um you know >> my friends. Yeah. So they would come just for the um crop picking. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> And the south end was a farming
>> community. You had you know the Portuguese, you had you know the other immigrants coming into and yeah he probably went to school nations. >> Was she Do you know what her maid name was? >> Who's
>> Dorothy Perry? >> No. >> But who was her husband? I don't know if she married. >> Oh, I was wondering like what >> she married. >> Oh, okay. I was going to ask if she like any other fable in the area, but I guess
>> Okay. Do you anyone know Bruce at all? No. I've heard the name Bruce Harry. Cuz like >> I'm not from like >> I come across them. >> My husband pulled me over.
You had your transplant then, too. >> Yeah. >> And my mother had a fit. She thought I was going to the moon. >> Okay. >> But we called you over here berserkly. >> Oh, we got that all the time.
>> And Berkeley was a big farming community. >> Very big farming community. Yeah. Hopeless, too. >> Mhm. >> All this area. what it was called directly. >> That's what people say people in call hobos. >> Oh jeez.
>> Well, anyway, moving on. >> Sorry. >> Um, historical markers. So, I did get the um historical marker to Kevin who >> Yay. >> who took it to BP and he said BP's capable of producing them. Um, but we'll
probably have to wait until the fall. And I think there's a little bit of kinks we have to work out with GP too. I'll talk with Kevin. Um, but they can't do it. And Kevin will work with us to get it done. They're probably will be moving starting school in September in
the new building. >> So that's why we have to wait until the fall. It's like it's May. They're they're out of school in I mean it's April. They're out of school what in six weeks. So >> um we've waited this long. Let's work it
out and see what happens. >> I have a question. So, I noticed when I was taking pictures for the play, um um the Claus House. >> Mhm. >> Alana Andrews house. >> They have the old wooden brown
>> from 1962. >> Wow. >> Um >> Yeah. I think it was 62 for the 250th anniversary. >> The Andrews, one of the Andrews. The the one on Elcon Andrew's house though is white and it's painted. It looks different than
>> People can get their own. >> Oh, okay. >> They don't have to go through. You can have a historic mark for your house. >> Right. All right. >> But they're not officially recognized for the town. >> Right. >> Right. My house.
>> Right. I can order my house. No problem. >> In the ballpark. I'm trying to find out who owned mine when it was on Main Street. >> Do you know the address? >> No, it was there. Oh, right. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, at least we got a
positive answer from somebody. >> So, that we'll put that off till the fall and I'll talk to Kevin about some of the details of that. Um Irene Wellington anniversary. I know you told
me the concluding. Did we talk about that the last meeting that you had talked to? >> Yep. >> The church. I mean, there's like the minister. >> I don't even know who the minister is. I know MNA tried to find out from her sister. Um there's kind of a split right
now in the with the church membership. the address that I had the email that's still on the sign there because I saw it Monday when I went to the historical society um is still the one that the previous
minister who's now in Florida. >> Okay. >> You know, so I so and MNA was trying to research it for me too and >> it's kind of a dead end. >> It's kind of a dead end because I think there's kind of a big split. his members
that have left and >> okay >> kind of a mess. >> Well, I remember considering how you said like how he responded to you saying that he had left and how long it's been yet they didn't update anything. So clearly it's not that right.
>> If he left that long ago >> and he still the main source of contact clearly there's not enough of a >> focus or there isn't That was March 10th that I had gotten
me. I contacted Reverend Owens. >> Right. >> Okay. So, I guess it comes down to we have to think about how do we want to do anything for that anniversary.
>> I mean, at this point, it's this year, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean, we're running a >> I mean, like we had talked about kind of coincidentally about how we're having fun writing, you know, the play that we're doing for and how we want to do future, but we want but that's kind of
based on the play. We I want to write our own. We were talking about what a great topic would be to do a play about Don versus not versus, but when Wellington came about, not people would know that. And I said to Pat, "Oh my god, we should do it the year of the anniversary when they when they rejoin."
She was like until this year and I was okay. I mean >> that's a little >> to to write something decent enough to be proud of and want to perform and then get kids and rehearse it. We're talking November, December. So, like not saying it can't be done, but like that's that's
>> that's something that that could be done in the future. But I'm just thinking maybe um >> we do during our historical share and we just share some of the history of Wellington uh at one of our meetings. So then it would be recorded and
>> just because I have all of that information that when we had the intern working >> for us on Wellington. >> It's funny. In the same >> so maybe like in June for the June meeting. >> Yeah. At least that way it would be
recognized. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Or we could also do we could do that plus also um get on the board of selectment schedule and have some recognition there. Just a little sharing there.
>> And you said you've got most of the information. >> Yeah, because when Samantha was working um as an intern with us um she did a lot of the research on that. >> It was a bit neolic. And when I was looking I was looking for the
actual recorded documents from 1776 and when the time to become independent and that's all there. I found other books talking about like big handwritten meeting minutes talking about Wellington. So there is definitely stuff in there. I'm not sure if she I'm not
sure if that's what she looked at too. >> No, we didn't didn't look at that. >> What did she look at in the vault? >> Um we didn't look in the vault. It was more online research. >> Online research. Okay. research and who was living in the boundaries of it about the history but you can go to the like
1912 bsentennial Helen Wayne's history and >> put together you know what happened >> I I did take some pictures of the documents that come in the vault regarding Wellington at the time I was focusing when I stopped at the vault that day I was focusing on the 1776
stuff so there probably is way more Wellington stuff to look at but I did start I have some pictures of it it's kind of cool like >> that would be nice to bring it up. Ask if we could do like a >> we just ask for >> preserving memory of the Wellington Dyon. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Um >> we could actually It's funny that might not be a bad idea to do a preserving memories episode about Wellington. I know we wouldn't be interviewing an outside person, but we can we can talk about it and record it as if it was an actual episode. >> Oh, that's true, too. Do it that way.
>> It's an oral history recording. It doesn't have to be with an outside person. We could do our own. >> Yeah. >> So the story doesn't get provided. >> Yeah. >> Like more like a a roundt discussion. >> That makes it
that's probably better than doing a piece here at our meeting than a piece at the board. It's more I like that. >> I don't know how many people going to want unless it's a heavily attended meeting for zoning. I mean heavily attended meeting for a second meeting for other reason. You're not going to have a lot of people that are going to be there to see it or go back and watch
it and care >> have some of us. >> Right. Right. Exactly. So, I almost think the present memories is a great way to do it because >> those that if Dave gets that stuff out there, people watch that now. Not not now, but like it's easily people are going to see it. Select creating clip on
Facebook. The only thing is when I was talking to Dave about doing a preserving memories thing with more than one person, he said it and if you're doing it there, it could be difficult. Then with the microphone set up when I brought you know Jeff point
like that specific space with more than one guest but more than two guests he said could get tough >> at the um >> at the physically at table >> but we could do it here >> cuz I I think that would be kind of cool
too to have that >> but >> like televised like that from him >> that and the one reason why Pat that's even better idea is that we didn't do this with Jeff's episode, but we did it with um John's where we integrated
photos. >> I know we have photos, but we have maps. We have draw concept maps and stuff like not concept, but like sketch maps of how it looks. >> We can incorporate that kind of stuff as opposed to we can't really do that here. We can't we can't edit it, >> right? >> We can't edit the we can edit they can
make edits to whatever films for us. So, >> it just a matter of how do you want to go about doing it? Like I mean >> well >> do we each take on the topic explain have one person talk about why they came back together have one person research
like it would have to be kind of not scripted but we wouldn't want to go into it with one person having all the information or everyone having the same information. You kind of have to plan how do we want to format the actual discussion. of Wellington, >> right?
>> Yeah. I think we can think about it and talk about it and >> I'll put it on for May. >> Look at the information that's available and then that might also give an idea. I have I think I have a lot of that stuff
I can email to everyone too. I'll look for what I have. >> I'm off next week for school so I can come by to do more research at some point. >> All right. So, it depends. I have um a lot of things going on this week.
>> Is there a food meeting coming up on Saturday? You know how you know how >> um it would it's it's I forget what day after. >> Yeah. Yeah, that might work better.
>> All right. Um so, I'll see what I have. Zack, you check out the the minute. Um, and then we can figure out make June. I think they got to get back. Was it June? I don't want to say June or July
>> is when they came back together. >> Yeah, I think it was a summer month. I'm not sure though. And they were and they came then they were separate for a year and then came back. Right. Didn't >> somewhere I saw that and >> yeah I don't know how I haven't seen
>> that. I saw one place said it. >> Hope it was. >> So let's for next meeting let's bring our research and then people bring some you know ideas. Also think about if you want to be a part of the preserving memories discussion panel because
that'll determine like where we film or whatever we ask Dave to do. Um I wonder if >> all are welcome. >> Do you think Dave do you think John would John get considering his West Dyton knowledge? I don't know. I don't I
don't know if he if he has any extensive or different he might know as much or the same like if he knows or feels like he can contribute or he just wants to be a part of it because he knows Titan so much that might be possible thing I still got to hear about email you know
so all right so we'll go on that route instead because I think it should be recognized >> I mean I just felt so discouraged with that and then I gone by the the church Monday and there was a girl out in the back parking lot but my husband was
driving the truck and I figured he's not going >> considering like that would have been a good place to do it at the place where we actually where it actually >> I didn't even know who this girl was. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like Marina hasn't been able to get any more information on me either.
>> All right. So, the plaque for the Cathol and the town flag to go to the state house and see our town again. That's pretty cool. >> Oh, that's really nice. That was perfect.
I love that we did this black. It's so nice. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We should We should put it higher and see. >> I love that. That's came out so good. It looks nice. Looks >> Yeah. You want to see?
>> Sure. Closeup, please. >> Close up. Close up. All right. If you insist. Oh, you got the plaque. Not me. >> You, too. Oh, that is amazing. Beautiful.
>> Beautiful. Beautiful job. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing. I was kind of like great >> when I went. >> I mean, for the for the symmetry, you want it below that flag. What else would you I mean, we can't put on the side because it's going to block the flag. >> It has to go below it.
But that way she won't be forgotten. >> No, >> like that. >> So, um I was thinking about I have to reach out to her sisters cuz she has two sisters. One is in town and I think one is in New
Bedford. Um >> so they can be here. >> Would they do it at a select meeting? >> Yes, we'll do it at a select meeting. >> Um So, I have to get that, you know, on the selections agenda, too. So, um, then
we'll invite the family. >> That's great. That looks so good. >> That's That project's almost done. >> And the family doesn't know that we've done that. >> No, I don't think so. >> Okay.
>> No, I'm not saying, you know, bad or different, but it would be >> kind of a nice surprise thing. Yeah. Well, you'd have to call them. We want them to come to us, but they don't have to know this place, >> right? No. >> So, um Okay.
Time capsule. So, Rapid did send some links for the time capsule. >> Mhm. >> So, some of them I look at I like the ones that were very, very expensive. >> I know, right? Well, the Well, you get
what you pay for. up now. >> The one that cost The one that costs $8,000. >> Oh my gosh. >> I had a question on these cuz they're be cuz I really like the expensive one,
too. Like I was like, "Oh, these are really nice." >> So they're they're definitely going in um the library. >> Yes. So, I was thinking to myself, I'm like, hm, I wonder if we could I was looking
up chests, right? Did you look up chests, Rafa 2? >> Chest? No, just um time capsules, boxes, >> right? So, I was looking at chests because I was like, okay, I wonder because it's not being buried. If we if
we have it there, we don't need something like that because like >> she's talking about the cylinder from Walmart. We don't really need the cylinders because it's right. So, I was looking at kind of some chest things with blocks on them >> that you could technically
>> almost like almost like this >> almost like that but much bigger. There is one >> a foot locker size like >> No, it's not big. So, on that I found one because I looked at one but it didn't have a lock on it. Um
the one that was $45 rapper that looks like the last >> the last one. Okay. >> So that's big enough. You think >> that's the one? >> Yeah. But it doesn't have like a lock on it. >> Yeah. >> Why the clasp, >> right? But then I found one if you go
down to similar kinds of things. There's one that's um a keepsake block and it locks. >> Yeah. >> How much was that one? Just so I know. was 54. >> That's not bad.
>> How could I find that one? >> I recognize it. >> I I guess we can roll out the um those cylinder shaped >> containers because >> I think they're they're only good for let's say documents that you want to roll up like posters, you know.
>> I would say the heritage time capsule one. I know you sent one link of the site search results in general. Mhm. >> And then you said one of a small square one looking a small like that's almost too small. >> 16 by 12 by eight. >> That's that's like this big.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How about how >> that one like holds photos or that one's like is that one 8 by 12? >> 8 uh 12 by 8 and a half. >> 12 by 8 and a half. So that would hold pictures.
>> I have another idea. You do. >> We can commission a local carpenter to build us a uh a time a box. >> It could. >> We can do that with a box with a lock and then he can sponsor us. >> He he he can put his name uh you know on
the box. This box was built was designed by such and such carpenter. There you go. For free. >> I wonder if highway department would do it. Rafa >> the fire department. >> Oh highway. >> If I said fire and highway. >> Oh the highway. considering the work that they can do
>> or the BP people, the school of carpentry. >> I would say we'll offer BP considering who knows if they can even do the markers. But >> yeah, we need to take advantage of our local resources as much as possible. >> Rapid, do we have wood in the segregated schoolhouse?
>> Oh my god. >> Oh, I think yeah, the old doors, remember? They're they're leaning against the wall. There's a couple of doors. There's a lot of wood, like vintage wood, old wood there. I remember
>> that would be great. >> Yeah, I think that's an idea. We can we can, you know, make it like as big as we can. Like >> I don't want to speak on their behalf, but I'm sure someone on Highway Department could do it considering considering what they've done. >> I'm sure they can do it. >> It's I don't know if they have the time
now because they're shorted. >> But let's ask the questions. >> Might as well ask the questions. Well, we wanted it to be done by not done by, but we wanted to be sealed by the end of this year, right? So, I mean, it wouldn't have to be tomorrow or the next questions.
>> So, we have a few months to make it. >> Yeah. Good idea. Why didn't you think of that before? >> I don't know. Maybe because of the shingles. That's why. >> The shingles is making you more creative. >> Okay.
Okay. >> All right. Um, next is America's 250th anniversary. So, we're still planning the Colonial History reenactment and battle, and we're still fundraising. Coins are on sale at town hall for $25.
Uh, May 16th will be our 1776 play with the middle school students, and we're having two shows at 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. Um, April 26th, the Historical Society is
hosting an afternoon with John Adams at 2. The Historical Society is hosting a historical house and garden tour on June 27th and it's $25 a ticket and I believe there's eight houses and gardens. Is that right, Irene? >> I think so.
>> Oh, that's cool. >> Yeah. Um, so things are are coming along with all of that. Then the CPC met on March 19th. Share uh brought her digit digitization project
and um conserving project for the rest of the vital records. So, um, then we talked about doing some grant research, but everything I found, so everything I
did find for any kind of grants were from 2025. You couldn't there was nothing that I could find for 2026. >> They did say that they would try and work with me. Like I said, that they they're trying to work with me a little bit because I was like, we can't be
above a certain Right. Right. A dollar amount. So, um, so they're supposed to come back. Actually, um, I just re I just sent an email this morning just to confirm like, hey, can you can you please send me the
actual >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, uh, how many records you did? >> There were, um, so there were a total of eight books. two of the books that um we decided that we could just put inside a
um a box so that like a historical box so that way it can just be preserved there. Um because we don't really use the indexes as much as we use the the books themselves. So those were two indexes that we were going to um just
put inside the boxes. Um, and then there's six books in total that we want to uh that we do definitely want to um treat, reproduce, digitize, and then um put in
um a box and put it it like permanently down in this vault um down in our basement. >> That's what I'll do in public during after. But um I would say the max too. >> Well, we can't Yeah, that that's that's
a totally Yeah, that'll be a >> different Oh, yeah. I knew it would be that would be CPC as well too, right? >> Yeah. >> Right. So, one of the questions that came up through um CPC was the digitizing of it, you know, because that's not historically conserving it
and all of that is >> so talking to them which was very interesting. Well, that was one of the topics that came up, you know, in trying to decide if it's eligible and, you know, worthy of the money and all of that. That's one of the things, you know, the fine hair is that you have to
decide. >> And with the digitization, um I did talk to um the company, anything they reproduce, they digitize anyway. Anyway, so >> but you can't so you can't so say you
can't just take away the dig um digitization of it >> because it's because it actually is included in that reproduction. >> It's part of the process. >> Yes, it's part of the process. >> Well, that's good to know. >> Yes, >> good to know.
>> Yes. Okay. Um and um I did because John Gail was correct that you know that is the only piece of it that maybe you could get um any kind of uh grant money. I I mean I went to every single
place I could possibly find. They even recommended like okay these are the places that you would have normally gotten any kind of grants but unfortunately there hasn't been any since 2025. I have not seen anything that we've been eligible for.
>> Why? >> It's just the way that we cycle is. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> so it would either be that or we'd have to wait if we if we need to do grants. >> Are you putting together the >> Yeah. Um I'm going to put together the
final um >> application. Yeah. So, one of the things we did last time when Mark was working on this conservation um Yeah, conservation. That's not right. We saving all of these historic records.
Let's go there. We wrote a letter of support um from the historical commission to the CPC that we felt that this was an important project to do. Um, these are these are permanent vital records, permanent. And
unfortunately, what's happening is that because we use them often, and the the community can come in and use them. What's happening is that it's just going to get worse and worse and worse. >> And what touch and what did they use?
>> Correct. So what when Mark did it um it was nice because then they're now housed those original documents are now housed in our like vault that is you know that's where they need to be because it
is you know it it's forever it's forever records >> and that's one thing too that I definitely want to bring up that I talking back and forth I shower when I went to the vault is that the vault
downstairs is the one that's temperature controlled and all that kind of stuff is not. >> So, if anything, the stuff that we're really like is really fertile and really not so much valuable but fragile to the point that it should be kept in should be all moved down there.
>> They should all be moved down there permanently and then any of the reproductions would be upstairs um that we would use daily or whatever we need to um get into our vital records, which is often
because a lot of people do want those birth, you know, birth records, marriage records, you know, death records. Like we're on we're always in there and um and then we have people that do come and and want to take a look through it. >> How far back does the general public or
you guys reference that? Like have you ever gone back like oh like when have you ever really need I want I need to go back to the 1800s or something. >> Of course because people do genealogy and >> and I know when my mother was doing
genealogy she was getting copies of birth certificates, marriage certificates and death certificates. So with some of her research she's got the copies to prove that this is when these people were born, married and whatever.
And sometimes well they get the the records they go and they look at the original records then char creates a certificate from there >> that they are being used. >> So they didn't consider it historically
>> it's preserving literally it's literally preserving it. >> It's literally preserving it. So the question is, do I have a motion to write a letter of support to um support this reproduction, digitization, and conservation?
That's not right, is it? Conversation. >> Conser Yeah. Conservative conservation. >> Conservation. Yes. >> Yeah. I was a preserving conservation. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay, we're going to vote. Um, all in favor?
>> I roll. >> I for too. I Zachary Karen. >> I Sher. >> I I >> Rafa Duffin. >> I Pat heels. All right, we'll do that. >> We always seem to have somebody on Zoom.
The number of times Terry goes Zack Ro. >> Okay. Um, does anyone have anything for historical sharing? Okay. So under other the NASA History Alliance Conference is Friday, June
12th, 8:30 to 5. The registration is open, but and their their theme is um has to do with the revolution. It's like small but mighty or something like that. Um
but they don't have their their sessions workshops outlined yet, right? So, you don't know how it's going to be when it's going to be. >> Huh. >> So, >> that's how soon it's coming up. >> I can send I'll send you the the link
for it. >> Where is this one? >> It's in Worcester. >> Okay. >> Um >> I mean, if we need to college of Holy Cross, >> if we need to spend money, we probably go >> I June 12th is like I can't do June 12th. >> I could I would take the day. I'd have
to look at my calendar. >> I'd have to take the day off from work. >> I will probably conference already. We are going to be at conference. >> So, >> wrap up. >> Uh, I don't know. I'm not sure. >> Well, it's kind of hard because they
don't have their workshops outlined yet. >> When's the deadline? >> Um, because maybe by the time the deadline comes, they will. >> It's not yet. So we can talk about it again in um May. >> So hopefully maybe I would say by May
that would be a month away. You think by you would think by then they'd have it you think they'd have it out >> postmark. >> Maybe we should bring next year's conference to Dyon. >> Yeah. >> You know I I was thinking >> or to Taton even. >> We we can totally you know support that
in our town buildings. One thing I was thinking like we should have a speaker come. But then I was trying to think, you know, maybe for next year we think about this is have a speaker come to one of our meetings or make them, you know, a separate meeting. Um, and kind of like a workshop for us
and >> tailor it to what we would want. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think that's a great idea. >> Well, it depends on what you're going to do, but then our meetings are open to the public, too. just >> or maybe have have any of these speakers
maybe uh invite them to any of our activities associated with the 250th anniversary. >> The speaker would be for them to >> it would be more of the speakers putting on the event for us. >> Them coming to one of our events, they wouldn't be paying them to come and
watch us do something. >> Well, you know, we don't have to pay for them. Just invite them. >> If only. If only. like, you know, >> and so I think we have to be creative. Um,
>> I'm running out of ideas. >> Yeah. June 12th is like I thought about that and I'm like I June 13th is a strawberry festival and I'm busy studying up for that that day.
Yeah. Just >> Yeah. I think we ran into that last year with the back to back. >> Remember the one that I was going to go to, but I couldn't really work. >> So, I will look to see what they've got. >> Yeah. We'll wait see what they have. I
mean, this conversation because if they don't have the workshops that are pertinent to what we need, for nothing. >> Well, Worcester is better than Ammerst. >> Not much. I mean, what is at least? That's amazing.
>> I guess Emmer is what, another 45 minutes, an hour west. >> So, anyway, so that's all that. Does anyone have anything else? >> Um, I do. It's something >> I was trying to see just like in his ar why I open my
mouth. Um, it's more of a question and then maybe another agenda it an agenda item for another meeting. But the vault I've heard it said quotequote our
portion of the vault meaning the historical commission. >> What does that mean? Because I spent a bit of time in there. >> Anything that had the pink stick, >> right? But I guess what does that mean in terms of like um what kind of things are considered historical commission?
Because some things that I I show were like um like mar like list of marriages like >> those are all vital I know they're cool because they're from 1776 but you know roughly but you could
argue that's vital records that's not a historical commission thing. So should it be on our side? We only have a portion. >> But what's what is there that belongs? >> Maybe what we do and maybe what we do is that one of these days it would be nice
Pat like Pat you myself like we actually go down there and like figure out. Okay. >> So >> I've never even seen almost empty it. >> Not like shift things around. >> We have an inventory that we made. Remember rapper before co
>> Yeah. >> We have an inventory that we made of what was considered historical commission belongings in the vault which is great. So that's what we can start with. Perfect. You know and look at that. Now, I know that there's some
things that kind of creep over >> literally figuratively >> space, you know, but we do have that and to my knowledge, we haven't added anything to that shelf. >> Correct. >> Yeah.
>> But we've got encroachment into us. Well, >> because >> because we because what happens is that we we as town clerks, we have everything is permanent, right? Everything minutes are all permanent records. Um,
elections, permanent records, you know what I mean? Like things like certain things. Okay? >> So, not I'm not saying elections are permanent. I'm talking like certain things, the minutes of these things. But um we are also running out of ground. So
we everything that is going down there that we can no longer support and have up in our vault upstairs. Um and you've got to think that half of that size of the half the vault is treasure collector's office. So it's we
are truly running out of room and so like we actually made a lot of room by getting rid of a lot of those books. >> You know what I mean? So >> can you share with us? No, we're not. I
mean >> it would be nice to see like what the inventory what the inventory is and kind of organize it a little bit better >> because we did start this was a project before co and we just haven't gotten back to it five years later you know
>> um >> because that's why we bought those archival boxes and there are still some of those we have some labels we have you know all that it's just a matter of making the time to go and start doing it >> so >> we might want to buy more of our materials then like office supplies
>> sooner or later and we could get some archival things. Raph, you have the inventory still digitally. >> Uh, I have it somewhere. I'm going to find it. >> You look in I'll look too because I think you may have sent it to me. So,
>> I'll check. >> I know I have paper copies because I love paper copies >> which take a lot of space. So to see like what we actually truly have and >> cuz I mean exactly we saw we have we found like a really cool book, right?
Like an old book. Nothing inside. >> It's like a like a like a 1920s ledger book. >> Nothing inside. >> Nothing. Are you sure it wasn't written in there in? >> Yeah, it is. It's saying someday
is going to look at this. >> Whoa. and be like, "Oh, this is really good." >> Yes, rapper, you look like poor rapper. >> What? >> I'm sleeping. >> I'm in medication, that's all right.
>> All right. So, we can do that if there's We could post it as a meeting, too, just to be sure. >> Yeah. The thing that's tough is that I can never go during the day. What's and there's no more school days that are there's no more like, oh, I have a half day because there's a workshop or like
I'm going to school because it's a workshop. Like those all done for the year. The last school day that I have off is also a holiday Memorial Day except for next week with school vacation. Other than that, I could not go in during the day or even really late afternoon after town hall is closed. If
we >> it would h it would have to be a weekend or or some or or past 5:00 on some days. >> Check your your accounts.
>> It's just hard because I have that um next week's the only time I I have literally open availability if I'm in school. >> Okay. So I would >> until until the summer. Sorry. until all the new comes. >> Right. Right. Right. >> There's not that ball. >> It's not too
>> technically, >> but also the hard that's is that Oh, yeah. It's uncontrolled. So, yeah. >> Dumb question. Dumb question. >> Um, let me see what my schedule is like next week. I can't guarantee I'm not saying
it has to be next week. I'm just saying that if you want to take for me, next week probably not would be good because I'm going for surgery this week. Okay. So, you >> All right. So, just find some dates or something.
>> Yeah. If it ends up just being >> because it might work next week and then because I might be busy the week after like I don't know >> the dates. Yeah. >> Just let us know. >> So, um we'll do that. We'll also check the archival materials. Make sure that
we have appropriate materials. Okay. >> And I think that will do that. Okay. Anything else? Not for you, Zach. No. >> Not my mom. >> No. Okay. Then I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.
>> So moved. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I Raphael. >> I I 7:26. Yeah. Have a good night.
you there. >> Thank you. I will That's really