I'm going to call a meeting to order. It's 1005 p.m. That's loud today. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. A Phillips here. Lisa Calonia here.
Nancy Gul here. Okay, we've got Oh, this is really getting annoying. Your cell phone's on, isn't it, Tom? All right, I'm going to shut this one off because I told her to call either one of us. This is going to keep making noise.
Um, I would like a motion to take agenda item six, new business, presentations out of order. So moved. Is there a second? Any discussion?
All in favor? I I uh even plumbing So, the four presentations we have, this one's 68. Um, I think they've all gone before the planning board and they met with
Kongcom. Um, so we will not be doing uh storm water commits per se. They're going to be handled by the planning board under the bylaws and they were originally written. Uh the reason why the storm
water committee was formed and we were issuing through board of health the permits was because that enforcement wasn't taking place. But um Mr. Cavalo said that this is now what they're going to do. So I asked these four uh
presenters to come in just to give us a brief overview of what the project is. uh a plot plan showing the overall thing, but we're not going to get into discussions or um
a lot of information that's already been covered by planning and con. I believe there's a planning board meeting tonight. So, you can zoom in on that if you want to hear more of the discussion. Uh but for uh right now, would you give us your name, please? Yep. Tom Morris
for the team of consulting engineers. Um, and just just so that everybody knows who's here. Um, again, Dave uh Phillips, he's uh on the Clancom. He's also obviously on this committee. Lisa
Calonia, the the uh conservation agent, John Ferry, Highway Superintendent, and everything else that nobody does in town. And I'm Nancy Kula. I represent the board of selectment. So, uh Tom, go ahead. Okay. So, um as you said, this has
already gone through planning and conservation been reviewed by Wesson and Samson. So, everything is approved and yesterday we just went to board of health to get the variance for the open basin and that was approved. So
the previous site that we had done is right here that's already been um the the storage building that's already been permitted and it's already built. So just ups slope to the south. Um we're proposing the same building, same layout
of the parking. Um same drainage technology, uh slightly different orientation just based on the shape of the topography and how the wetland comes out. Uh but it's a constructed storm water wetland. Um and we have recharge
under the pavement here for the roof. That's essentially it that does that I'll call it that section of the plant. Does this have any storm water basins there? So this is the basin. So we have the for bay and then it's fil basin here.
Okay. Uh the top right hand corner this what's that dark area? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Come down. No. Right there. That's a drip wrap spillway. Oh, okay. That's the the emergency over there. So,
there's nothing designed to go over that spillway. So, this comes out of the the outlet pipe here. Yeah. Outlets into that rip wrap and then it goes north to the swale that was designed and built on the
the previous storage building that wraps around Okay. Um, the building is the same size, the proposed building as the one you've got. Exactly the same. How much more land do you own going south? Um, I'm not sure of the area. We might
have it on. Does it go up to where the houses are? There is a small buffer, I believe. Okay. Between that. Okay. It does. It goes up to Hillrest Drive. Okay. There's a small parcel in here. Okay.
Actually, I think there is a thin strip that separates them, but yeah, it goes right up. Uh, does anyone on the committee have any questions or comments? Yeah, we're not going to get too much technical, but just just so I understand because everything else they do. So if
it does get overwhelmed, it is still going to miss the previous project at least. Right. Correct. It's not going to add to it. Right. Right. Okay. That's it. That was easy. Does anybody else have any questions for this project? Conservation issued order of conditions
and um they're going to be recorded and followed. So okay. Uh so the other thing I want to mention is uh the storm water committee will not be doing the number of site visits that it usually does. We may have on-site visits uh depending upon what uh
the town engineer finds. There will be inspections done. Uh there will projects that have not officially broken ground yet but are in the process of going through approval. Um the town engineer Weston and Samson will be responsible
for that. But again, this will be handled by the planning board. Uh, and I know Lisa will be out so that anything comes down uh that the storm water committee needs to be involved in and requires a site visit, then we would do it. But we will not be doing routine
site visits like we used to uh when we had a uh storm water agent. So, uh that'll all go through planning and our concl. Okay, any questions? All right. Uh I guess you're all set. Thank you for coming in.
Thank you. Uh the next 16B is Bell Farms. [Music] before you start. Uh Bob Rico, can you hear us? Yes, I can. Sorry, I had to unmute myself.
And uh James James Pearson, are you on? Yes, I'm here, Nancy. Okay, very good. Thank you. Is there anybody else on that you can see, Tom? Oh, yeah, that was that was it. There's two on. Okay, if you just keep an eye on that in case anybody else
comes on. Uh, okay. So the next presentation as I said is Bell Farms and you saw what uh um was presented uh by Tom for his project. So go ahead. Uh good afternoon. For the record, Chris
Vandenber with Fine Consultant. Your name? Chris Vandenberg. Okay. Yep. We're also going through the process of planning board and conservation. We are on objective for tonight as a matter of fact for a planning board. Um so quick overview. um proposal for a 26 lot subdivision um
with access off of um council oak lake and street um related to storm water but the storm water site is proposed to be mitigated through the use of two infiltration basins um about approximately halfway through the site maybe about twothirds of the site um storm water is collected
uh via the pavements um so the majority of the runoff from the pavement roots is going to be collected via the use of these two infiltration basins um test pits were conducted out there to make sure we have adequate uh adequate groundwater separation and um storm
water outflow. I believe the infiltration basin one is designed to outflow. I believe that actually is designed to have no outflow as a matter of fact with basin two has a little bit of outflow flowing to um the area of fresh water here. Storm water flows would if anything outflows can be
flowing to this uh pond which is uh going to have a proposed culvert be tied under the road there. What are the green areas here and there? Here. Yeah. In this is so this will represent manicured lawn area for the proposed subdivision. The darker green represents the
maintaining the wooded vegetation. Okay. So within the I'll call it the the half circle there. All those green spots. Yeah. Where you are? Yep. These are represent of the wetland areas. Okay. And that'll be natural vegetation. Yep. So like wetland vegetation but it's
lighter green. this dark green that you see everywhere that's just remains wood dense vegetation that's going to remain untouched. This would be like the manicured lawns this type of area. Okay. Uh does anybody on the board have any questions?
That is across co there halfway. No down closer to you. Yeah, right there. Y connecting those two greens. No idea. Yep. That's Yeah. Proposing box right there. What what size? Um I think it's going to be an 18 foot
wide box cover. No, like a three-sided box cover with an open bottom. It's going to be 18 ft wide, right? That's trapped. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lisa, do you have anything conservation?
Not at this time. We're in the middle of reviewing it. Well, Weston and Samson just submitted their um their last phase review. I haven't looked at it yet and have anybody have anything else? Anybody in
the audience? If you have any questions on these projects, just put your hand up. If not, you're all set. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. The next project is agenda item 6 C, Alto Ridge.
Hey. Um, for the record, my name is Bob Rigo. I'm with Riverhawk Environmental. Can Can everybody see me and hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we can. Um, is there a way to share my screen or should I just uh tell you about the project?
I don't think I'm I'm sorry. Is it okay to share my screen if you know how to do it? Uh yeah, I I you'd have to approve it. I have to send a request. I I can I can just um talk about it. It would have
been maybe a little clearer without it, but I I can give you a quick overview and if if you guys need to share it, I'll Okay, Bob. Um, first question, where were you with planning and concom? Uh, we've received approval from both.
We have an order of conditions from conservation um and we have uh approval of the planning board. We have not received the decision, but we've been through the final meeting and they've voted to approve the subdivision. Okay. So, give us the street location
and the number of units, please. Okay, the the project is located off William Street. Uh, the name of the subdivision is Almea Ridge and um it's 17 lots. Um, I'm not sure the total acreage, but it's a fair it's like 80
acres. It's permitted under the conservation um bylaw. So, there's a bunch of open space that will be um that will be set aside um beyond the 17 lots. Um we're basically
this subdivision was designed to manage the storm water in accordance with the mass DP stormwater management standards, the the Dyton planning regs and the conservation regulations. Um it was fully reviewed for both conservation and planning by Wesson and
Samson. And um it's it's basically a typical subdivision and that we're proposing to collect the water from the the roadways and um catch basins and convey it uh through piping to uh one of two infiltration
basins. Um they've been both basins have been designed uh to um meet groundwater separation to handle the the um flow from the 100redyear storm and um to to meet the rest of the treatment requirements of the mass DP uh storm
water management standards. Um the only other storm water feature is each of the proposed dwellings will have an on-site dry well to to infiltrate the um the clean roof water runoff or roof runoff
from the um from each dwelling on the on the each lot. And that's basically it. Does uh the street the entrance off of William Street is it a loop or does it exit somewhere else? It's it's a single
entrance. Um Okay. It's one uh road that just is goes down to a culde-sac. So, it's just a single entrance. And at the entrance, uh there was a comment, I believe, from the highway um
department about a culvert across the front entrance to pick up some flow u from the northerly abudding properties. So, so we did it incorporates a culvert underneath the front of the road to uh to existing wetland system that's on the
on the um northern part of the parcel near the entrance. Okay. Any questions from the committee members? Lisa, anything from KCON? You're all set. Tom, do you have anything? No, not at this time. Okay, you're all set. Anybody in the
audience? Nope. We got an audience, but not not from that neighborhood. So, you're all set, Bob. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Uh, the next one is 6T Shaw's boatyard. [Music] How you doing? Good evening. Good evening. Good
afternoon. Uh Brad Holmes with ECR on behalf of SH Boatyard. Um Cory and Bob Robert Mun Cory the boatyard are here. We've submitted a application just right up for boat storage building at the Shaw's boatyard.
Um as you know the property uh there's marina offices and storage leading up to here with additional boat storage areas to support the existing marina. What we've do done is we've submitted an
application to put a new uh boat storage building on the property in that northern portion right here further away from the the marina portion. Uh this occurs within existing degraded
areas which is pavement uh asphalt both storage whatnot. This building is proposed here which will include a new storm water management system to process that new building along with some of the uh other impervious areas of the site.
We are under conservation review. We're also under review with Weston Samson um which is in progress. We haven't received the report from them to be able to respond and um coordinate. But this as we discussed by email was uh the
purpose of this meeting today was more of a introductory meeting because we don't have review from the conservation commission. It's just to uh present to the board and take any comments you have and then we'll be coming back once we have uh gone through conservation.
Okay. Um, where is Main Street on either of those? I guess the first one's probably the best one. So, the Main Street, that's the main entrance, right? Correct. This is the the overall site.
Here's Cobb's Lane here. Main Street is here. Right here. Oh, okay. Cob's Lane is here. Yeah. Cobs Lane is closed. We have it gated there for security. Any questions from the uh committee members
at this time? No, it's early because they're still in the process. I have initial question. Um alternatives to sliding it within our 50 foot no build. Speak up so the mic will pick up.
I've looked at that. Alternatives to keeping it in the 50 foot no build. Um we can discuss that. This is obviously new. Um this is a previously developed site. Yeah. So there is no vegetated buffer here that we're trying to protect.
Yeah. I know you're familiar with the site. So um you know to keep a undisturbed I obviously the no build the no touch buffers are intended for you know vegetated areas and uh undisturbed
areas. This is uh not that case. So maybe some mitigation of some sort is all I'm thinking. Sure, we can look at that. And then we figured that once we have a review from West and comments from you. It came in today. I just haven't had a
chance to for it. Okay. So yeah, this is the Yeah, we're up for uh if we can we are mitigating in the sense that there's a lot of it's on the plans. A lot of the material that's in this area is coming out um along with the storm water basin. We wouldn't be
opposed to adding some additional plantings. How much land do you own? Is that the broken line I'm seeing at the top or do you go beyond that? There are multiple lots. Um Warf Reeds Warf. Okay. But going where's your north arrow?
Okay. So going north, do you That's it. The the broken line at the top. This is the top. Yeah. Okay. And then we have a neighbor here, Mr. Wayne La Page, and it's us. Okay. Um, are those docks that I'm looking at that go out this way with
cross pieces? Yes. Okay. That's Marina. Okay. What when when this is all done roughly, how many acres are you? Oh, we're putting up a 74 by 100 building. No, but I mean,
oh, there's no change in the They're not purchasing new land or just redeveloping within the footprint of this existing parking area, right? We still have boats here now around the circle. Okay. Done that way forever. Y also inside the circle. We always
maintain the access for fire apparatus and y having the building there just replaces same space. The boats will be inside versus outside. And um I'm sorry. Yeah. No change boats going from outside.
I know that we did size it to your point. We did size it for the lot lines for our neighbor. That's what we had for available space. That's why we had picked that dimension and we worked on it for quite a while. Okay. Any questions from committee members? Yes, John.
So this would this whole project going to fall into conservation for the storm water component? Um, no storm water would fall under planning because it's a commercial site. Well, we still have to comply with the storm water of the D.
Yeah, but as far as local Okay. Yeah. Did you already file the plane board? I we have I haven't yet. No. Yeah, you guys need to Well, right. This is our first step to go through conservation. Yeah. Right. What we've been trying to
do is have um applicants from current both. So like you're getting the same review from Weston and you know Weston and Samson and I think they're doing that as part of their the fees that were paid. Yeah, that's okay. I think Snider Dave with
the engineering they that fee has been paid. I believe they're doing that review as part of that as well. Okay, good. All set. Yeah. Um, James Pearson, uh, I know you're gonna give us a little rundown. Do you have any questions for anybody here on this
project? No, I do not at this time. U, yeah, we we've uh I've assisted with the conservation commission review and and we've also been doing the uh the review for the planning board. So, um, we we've kind of gotten through doing those. And, um,
so, uh, I I guess I guess I would say that, uh, as far as technical comments, we we didn't have a lot of real major issues that we really found with the application up to this point. So, um, there there were there were a few comments, but I don't think it's going to be anything that's going to be really
really earth shaking. So, that's about all I have to Okay. Thank you. Anybody have any comments, questions? If not, you're all set. Thank you very much. Thank you again. Okay. [Music] Uh under under uh item six, these
presentations. Um, I have an email from it was dated August the 7th. Uh, James, do you have a copy of that? I had asked him, I told him we invited these four projects to be at the
meeting. Uh, I asked if you Weston Samson would like to comment on anything. So, he listed four bullet points at the top. Do you have that? Okay. What date was that email again?
Um, he wrote to me on August the 7th. And it starts out, good afternoon, Nancy. We have a few updates. Okay. I'm just Yeah. And he said that you would be available today. Oh, okay. You're talking about the one from Jim.
Yeah, Jim Ren. It's And it starts out just for Bell. Yep. Yep. Okay. So, if you would like to comment on that. So since we're talking about these projects, yeah, happy to do it. So um so Belle, um we did our second peerreview letter
of that one um for the planning board uh around July 28th and we were awaiting a response. It looks like there's been a little bit of email traffic um with the planning board just the last few days. Um so there are some issues kind of being
kicked around a little bit. Um, nothing really storm water related. It mainly has to do with availability of uh of public water supply for future homes in the subdivision. Um, and so that's really kind of where that
stands. We're we're kind of in in limbo on that right now with the planning board review. Um, did you want me to go on and talk about the three other projects that run that email? Yes. Yeah, please. So then there was uh there was the Almeida project. Um
we were still waiting for an updated storm water analysis uh to to uh to go along with the asbuilts that were submitted. So we do have asilt plans and uh we had reviewed those and we had identified that there
were some differences between the aselt plans and the original approved plans. And so we had asked for a storm water analysis to be provided that showed that uh with these changes to the project that it still meets the original intent of the approved plan. And so we just
still haven't seen that stormwater analysis yet. And we were just kind of waiting for that. That's been that's been something. Okay. Um uh James, just a minute. What did you say? I'm confused. Is this a a rou? He said
Almea. I think he's talking about our clearway. No, no. The email I sent to Jim Reed said we as built for Almea. Okay. So maybe he did mean MACS.
Okay. Um I might I might be some of these projects seem like they go by multiple names. So I I might be transposing that a little bit, but uh No, that's what you're reading what Jim wrote and that's what I'm mentioning, but Lisa is saying there aren't any asbuilts and the storm water is what
we're waiting for. MACs, which is the Roujo's solar farm. So um Alas has not been built yet. That was what Bob was presenting on. Okay. But he didn't write this memo. So, all right. So,
for the record, um, on this one, Heather, just cross out with it, uh, the reference that was just given the report from James Pearson in effect is for MACS, which is the solar farm behind Arujos. Okay. It's that the comment is
not on Elmea. Okay. Yes. Correct. Uh so the next one is Aiman, right? Yes. So um it sounded as though that project's been approved by the planning board. Um we had issued a few comments on that. I think that they must have worked through those with the
board. Um so I I don't I don't think we're being asked for any further review at this time. I can I speak on that? Yes. Go ahead. Um the conservation commission um did look at the some of the storm well all the storm water comments and um
oh I'm sorry I'm confusing them now too. Let's talk about it. No street we we did approve it as is. Yeah condition. Okay. So um
Okay. So, um, has Weston and Samson been contacted? Anything relative to the Shaw's Boatyard project? Yeah, the Shaw's Boatyard project. Um, that one we actually just finished
reviewing and we had just issued comments to the conservation commission and we also did a review for the planning board. We we may have already issued those comments to them, too. I I I'd have to double check and see if Jim Reen sent
those out, but uh I believe he may have. I just gave Nancy a copy. Okay. Yeah. So, um I have um Belle, I'm halfway through that one. I didn't have any questions. Um and I do have
This is a new Bell one. This came out yesterday. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. Very good. And I do have Shaw's here. So, thank you very much. Um, is so, uh, getting back to Almea, James,
is there anything to report on Almea? This is the, uh, the 17 lot development off of Williams Street. This is the one Bob Rigo spoke about,
right? Yes. Yeah. We um we we haven't recently done any further review on that one, so we don't have anything new to report. Okay, I have something. Go ahead, Lisa. This is the one I wanted to speak about. Um the conservation commission approved
it with conditions. Um and one of the conditions is that there is a um oversight by Weston and Samson for construction period supervising considering that they I believe they still maybe needed some test cuts and
things like that as well. But so that would be additional additional proposal from Weston and Samson. Uh James, the other thing is if you heard me make the comment about the storm water committee not going out and doing site inspections like we did when
we had a storm water agent. Um that Weston and Samson will be asked to submit proposals to do those kinds of inspections during construction on these projects. Uh obviously we can't just let it go because we don't have a stormwater
agent. So just a heads up, there's more work headed your way at the expense of the project. Uh, so, so that understood. Okay. Did you hear what I said because Tom
brought this over after the fact? No, I heard what you said. Yeah. You you mentioned that you were going to be looking for construction phase inspection services for Almea. Yes. Yeah. So, add the list farms and
uh Shaw's boatyard. uh once they once they start uh so that would be so your work at any work on Eman is that's done right now as far as Oh no they haven't built a building have they?
No. Oh so there may be additional work that has to be done relative to inspections uh there but um I'll check with the planning board because they'll be the ones making the request. Uh and the main concern of the stormwater committee is
obviously um the work that Weston and Samson does on all these projects because you're the town engineer uh will cover all phases meaning planning board conservation and storm water issues. Okay.
All right. and would be copied so that we know uh if there were findings if if in fact something happens that that we should have a site visit for you know like if we get the hundredyear rainstorm and the hill washes away or something else
wherever it is. Um so that's I think that's everything we had on those. Um, are there any, while we have James on the on the screen, is there anything else um that needs to be um brought up?
James, do you have a phone number for Jarice Schwarz? She's the engineer who's doing our um storm water review. And uh I think she was she called in. I didn't get the call. She hasn't called back on Tom's
phone, but if you have a phone number, we can call her. Um I think she's away on vacation, but if you have her cell phone, uh we'll try to reach her. Yeah, it looks like she'll be returning um on August 25th from vacation, but uh
if you uh if you want to reach her, her her desk number, I can give it to you now if you want. It's uh 978573 4136. 978-5734136. That's correct. Okay. Okay. Uh
is there anything else on the agenda that you want to comment on, James? I uh I don't have any comments on other items at this time. Okay. I got a request.
This is for everybody. Uh I'm still asking for photos for the calendar for 2026. Uh as long as it's something indicted, uh it can be um animals, farm animals,
wild animals. the the only rule we have is rules. Number one, it must be indicted. Uh doesn't have to be this year. Uh no buildings and no people. Um so, uh if in your travels around Dyon, I
know we have we down Brook Street, but I don't think we want to put that on a calendar. Uh if you have any if you happen to look and see anything uh it can be wood lot, it can be hay fields uh can be a stream. I last year we had a uh
vernal pool uh that was photographed up at um MacSO. So anything like that as long as and then you can email it to me and all I need to know is uh where it is and who took the picture. Okay.
And we'll give you credit if you send anything. We all set with James? Yep. Lisa. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, James. Thanks, everybody. Take care. Okay. Bye. Bye. Tom, did you get that phone number?
You want to try reaching her? You may have to leave a message. You want me to try it? Yeah. Yes. test number and and looking back at the email, she's offered to come next month's meeting to pull our copy. Yeah, this was supposed to be the intro that we asked for,
right? 9789734136. Yeah. I want to see if that's the number that uh came in here. I got a feeling it was. Um Tom, while you're waiting for me to look
that up, would you uh I'm going to go back to fora. you want to give us a update on the Main Street reconstruction project, please? Well, it's it's coming along. Um we have some challenges with the hill, but um
we're just over the crest of the biggest part of the hill there, the far end of Main Street. Yep. We're above the ocean's property. We're above that. So, it's come along slowly. So,
is the did the drainage start at Williams and go east or did it start on Maine and go west? Well, was it intermittent in a couple of places? Okay. It goes several different directions. The original drainage system remains in
place. We're just adding where we're adding a curb for the most part and updating a treatment on the outflows at the actual water bodies. Are we going to benefit from that uh supplemental budget with extra chapter 90 money?
That's paying for the materials now. You're not talking about money. You're talking about get the Oh, I'm talking about the governor just got a supplemental budget. I sent out an email from MMA. It's already in our It's already in our account. Oh,
I I get I know some of I happened to see a copy of the Rehobith reporter and uh there was an article about money that Rehobith got extra money and SEC got extra money and I was wondering
we we have it in our state level yet because I have 65 miles of road I need to tend to. Right. Right. But we are going to get over and above the initial chapter 90 money. Yes. Okay. It's always good to hear our tax
pay money comes back here. Main Street, but it helps. Tom, write this number down. 978. Yep. 764 8402. 978 like the other one.
Yeah. 978 8764. Wait a minute. That's too many numbers. That's the one you want me to call. Wait a minute. 978764 8402. Try that one first because she she may have called in.
Um, okay. This is Tom. This is Jes. Yes. Is now a good time. Okay. Loud and clear. I'm gonna speak a phone. Okay.
So, Teresa is on the line. She's walking to a quieter place. Um, but Hi. Hi, Jarice. Can you hear me? Okay. Or do you hear I apologize. There's I feel like we're a lot of background noise. Everybody hearing any of the background noise? Okay, we can hear you. Um, this is
agenda item 5A. And this is a um a brief update on the progress review that Weston and Samson is doing for the town relative to the storm water program, the testing and all that other stuff.
Yeah, thanks everyone for having me. Again, if you can't hear me at any time, just let me know and I'll try to try to move a little bit, see if I get in a better spot. Um but yeah, I mean there were three different tasks that we've been working on with the town. Um, and these were tasks that we identified as priorities. These are items that are
kind of on EPA's radar related to, you know, compliance concerns. Um, and the first task was developing kind of the implementation plan. So, looking at kind of all of the permit requirements, looking at the status of the town's compliance and work that's been done to date and work that's remaining for
compliance. Um, so that was one of the tasks. The second task was doing a uh regulatory review. So reviewing all of your existing regulations that include um you know storm water requirements um and again trying to ensure that you're fully compliant with the post
construction and construction storm water requirements of the MS4 permit. Um the deliverable for that task essentially is kind of a memo that summarizes each requirement where the town currently satisfies that requirement and then if not
recommendations on where language should be added to existing regulations to meet that requirement. Um the third task was um fieldwork related to mapping of your alcohols and doing some dry weather alcohol screening. So sampling where we
observed um flow during um dry weather. So, those were kind of the three main tasks. Um, we do have kind of drafts of each deliverable. I haven't finished my review of every deliverable yet, so I apologize if I haven't got Nancy and top deliverables for all three tasks yet. The main task that we did produce a
deliverable on to date was the was the outfall mapping um and sampling effort. Um, so I know Nancy, I had sent you and Tom that that report and now I'm going to follow up. I know Tier probably like you said you a hard copy of that report, so I'll be following up with a hard copy of that report. But the mapping exercise
basically focused on um kind of the urbanized portions of the town that are regulated under this permit. So basically, you know, out there walking each street um and trying to, you know, identify um outfall locations, which I know Tom also provided assistance with,
which we appreciated. Um and so we were able to map um 79 outfalls um and then screen those out falls during dry weather. We only had three outfalls that were actually flowing which is a small number which is which is good and kind of speaks to you know um positive impact
in terms of less likely to have um you know an elicit discharge. Normally if we're seeing a lot of flow and that's not always indicative of an elicit discharge but obviously we're not seeing any flow that's positive. That means that hopefully non-storm water discharges aren't getting into the drainage system. um and and of the sampling that we did do, none of that
tested positive or um meeting, you know, fully meeting the likely sewer input parameters of the permit. So, that's also really good news and hopefully that'll help to streamline efforts going forward when there's follow-up field work that's done. So, the dry weather alcohol screening is kind of the first piece. you're sampling at the outfall,
but then you need to go up into each system and do what's called catchment investigations, opening up manholes, again trying to isolate dry weather flow. Um, and looking for any non-storm water discharges getting into the drainage system. Um, so that, like I said, that exercise is done. Um, we have
the memo drafted for the regulatory review. I'm kind of just giving it my final review. It's just taking me a little longer to get through it than I anticipated. Um, and then the last piece again is that implementation plan which again kind of highlights a path going forward for compliance for anything that's still kind of outstanding. And I think that's been helpful too because
based on the, you know, the fieldwork we've done to date, we know we've kind of streamlined things in terms of, you know, future dry weather outfall screening efforts that are needed. There's still there is still some streets we weren't able to visit under the current budget that we had available within the contract. Um, so there's a little bit more work to do for outfall
mapping as well. Uh and then of course mapping a lot of other additional you know drainage infrastructure that fully meet the summer requirements. But I think you know overall I feel like we've made made some good progress. I know Nancy we talked about you know kind of priority prioritizing items kind of
going forward um based on the kind of the audit that we're doing and thinking about you know if the town would have available to kind of keep keep moving this work forward each year and trying to have an MS4 compliance budget kind of going forward. And I know a lot I know Nancy does a lot to kind of help the town with these requirements as well
which is great but anything you know that you wouldn't be able to kind of handle in house where you need outside support. Um we're coming up on the end of so we finished permit year 7 ended in June June 30th. Um annual reports are going to be due soon. Those are due September um 29th to EPA. Um and I know
Nancy usually takes the lead on preparing those reports and obviously Nancy we have some information based on the work that we've done for you to include in that report. We're happy to um review that report with you as well and help help in any way we can. Um and I guess the last thing I was going to say too is I did get an update. I had a call with new Tedar last week. He kind
of just got an update. You know, a draft permit did come out for public comment last fall and he is saying that that permit should be final in the next six months. So, um so I was kind of surprised to hear that. I know um just because historically it's taken EPA a little bit longer to kind of get permits
to the to the finish line and there's been so much kind of other changes going on in the background with a new administration. So I wasn't sure what that path was going to look like but but on this call he did say the new permit is expected to come out in the next six months and it'll be interesting to see what that looked like. I mean, there was a lot of items in that permit that were,
you know, very costly for communities to implement, and I know there was a lot of commentary on those particular items in the draft. And so, it'll be issued to see if some of those items are modified, um, you know, as part of the final permit and what that, you know, what that looks like for the town kind of
going forward. Okay. My kind of kind of high level overview. Um, but I know Nancy, you talked about having me come in person for the September meeting. Um, so we could do maybe a deeper dive on some of these items, you know, that we should be kind
of finalized by that point with these items and have them to the rest of them to you for review in advance of that meeting. Okay. I think what we're going to do is um when you have the the reports uh draft reports done and you send them in
um we'll share them with the stormwater committee and uh I'll ask for comments from the committee that items that we can bring back um to you. We may not have you come in for the September meeting. It's going to depend
on what kind of feedback I get. Um, obviously Tom and I will be going through the reports and probably that's where most of the questions or comments will come from, but um I think we're going to wait for you to send in
something uh you know additional. Uh but um I did look at the report. Um I thought I thought the outfall map was really interesting. Um,
and all I could think of was, gee, we're not going to use Tom's handwritten, handdrawn outfall maps anymore. But it doesn't look like you found a lot of outfalls that he didn't have. I mean, they seem to go pretty closely.
79's a lot. It's more than I expected. More than 79. Yeah. Um, if if I may on what you just said, I think it would be beneficial sometime in September regardless that the three of us meet, me
and Jesice, because there's probably going to be more interaction on our level and then then when it's ready for the storm water committee. Yeah, I agree. Uh, Jurice, did you hear Tom? Oh, yeah. Sorry, Tom. I heard you said about having a meeting with you and
Nancy and yes, absolutely definitely do that. Yeah. And um I will add that that the town administrator uh wants to sit in on a meeting because this will be the first uh I'll call it draft report. Uh he
wasn't here obviously when the proposal was written. Um it was Mike Mullen that put it all together. So he's familiar with the proposal. He hasn't been baptized with some water. No. No. So anyhow, um that's what we'll plan to do after we get your your next
written report. Um share it with the committee and the town administrator and then uh you Tom the town administrator and I will sit down and come up with a list of comments or questions or whatever. Um
I have like five questions but I I realize this is just a overview. Yeah. Um, in a nutshell, Jarice, is there something I need to act, my department needs to act on now before we meet? Is there anything your department needs to act on before we meet? I don't think so.
Okay. I saw some comments. At a high level, it highlighted just some of our general findings, but I don't think, you know, other than, you know, I mean, there's some cleaning of outfalls that's needed. There was some structural concerns, you know, separate items from, I guess, the immediate needs of the permit, you know, just to be for
consideration, too. So, I guess just thinking about some of those outfall cleaning, obviously concerns about flooding, you know, those outfalls aren't um Yeah, those obstructed, right? The two that you comment on obstructed, those are abandoned. That's why they're obstructed. Oh, okay. All right. Well, that's good to know.
It's redirected. So, stuff like that is super helpful. I was more concerned with that information. Yeah. I was more concerned about the the testing that you did. You found falco the falco form and stuff like that. Is that something I got to track now? uncommon, but you didn't hit on the other parameters as well, which is like
the um you know, like the surfactants and the ammonia. And usually it's all three of those parameters exceeding certain thresholds to indicate likely sewer input. Um but the bacteria I feel like is is so common in so many, you know, communities. It could be anything. So that that can wait then until we
meet, right? Yes. Okay. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, know that'd be great to know about the like I said the abandoned alpha because we also want to make sure that's going to streamline the level of effort needed going forward for obviously those alphas are in we don't need to do any additional mapping in those catchment
areas or any investigations or you know we can take those off our radar too. So that kind of you know anything like that will you know reduce the amount of level of effort going forward right okay thank you uh jerice um I did give a copy of your
uh report to the town administrator and um I told him that I had looked it I had read it over and that I was going to be talking to Tom about it but I said my impression is number one uh there are no major findings that require immediate
action such as um elicit discharges. Um none were found from what I could see. Um of course the report had the pictures two pictures of uh the pipes in the
comments which Tom just addressed. Um so I said to him when we get the next report um I'll let you know. But I said the good news is from what I can see we don't have any anything that's uh which
Tom similar to what Tom just said we don't have anything that requires immediate action crisis time or anything else. Uh I felt as a matter I felt pretty good about the report when I saw it considering this is the first time
the everything is this whole program has been looked at um by engineers. So, um I think it looked pretty good. Yeah. Know I mean the fact that you only had so few outfalls with flow that's,
you know, usually we see a lot more than that and sometimes it's not because it's, you know, like groundwater, but that we're kind of chasing and testing and spending money testing stuff that's not, you know, related to an elicited discharge because it is flow. So, I was glad that we didn't have to, you know, spend funds in that way and that allowed us to do some more mapping. Um, which
was nice. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing too is the pollutants that you mentioned um were were and still are the major pollutants that we report for um the major water bodies, the Taton
River, the Segregancet and Three Mile uh and Sunken Brook. I did have a question on you mentioned Broad Cove. Um when I look at Broad Cove, I consider that part of the Taton River. Um, so we haven't
segregated Broad Cove as a separate area and I didn't know if that's something that we're supposed to do. Um, because it's not it's not per se a waterway. It is it is a it is a separate waterway.
We have an out we have out flows going into it. Fish and wildlife identifies it as a separate waterway. uh DP also but I think the thing is what I'm saying is um when we the person who helped us
identify the bodies of water um was Bill Npalitano from Serpent and because he gave us the data on what the pollutants were which is basically
septic waste. Um but in any case, um that was just something that I noticed because it was it it didn't appear um on what we report. Um is that something we should now list
on our waterways? Uh Jereice Broad Cove Nancy, you're just breaking up a little bit there. Tom, I can hear you a little bit better. I don't know if you want to repeat the question. My phone might be closer to It's because you're closer to me.
The phone speaker. So, she's asking about BR Cove. Should we be identifying it now with our MS4 reporting as a separate waterway? I do that in the future as an addendum.
Um, so this is So, you're saying is it not I guess it wasn't previously identified in the permit? Is that a concern? Yeah, we we identified as part of the Ton River is what she's saying before. Oh, okay. Um, let me look at that because let me look at how it's included
on the 303D list. I'm thinking we keep status quo until we actually make a change. Yeah. Yeah. It may be better to correct it as you know if there's any correction needed as part of the next permit because you're going to have to submit a notice of intent again and list all your receiving waters and the outfalls and discharge sheet of those receiving
waters. Okay. And I think what the the what you said you were going to look at that list. I believe that's the list that Bill Npalitano from Serpent gave us way back uh years ago um when we were trying to identify
the major water bodies and what their pollutants were. Okay. So it it won't be in the MS4 this year. We're going to keep the ones that we've been reporting. Um, yeah. I mean, well, I mean, if there's if there's new impairments that have
come up, then we need to include those as part of your annual report this year. Um, and if there are new Yeah. I mean, if there are new waterways that you discharged to that previously didn't identify as having a discharge to, then that should be corrected in like your storm water management plan, which I
realize, Nancy, we have I think your hard copy of. Yeah. Yeah, that was another thing I was thinking when I meet you in person, I'll return that to you as well because a lot of that information was helpful when we were doing preparing kind of the implementation plan. So, we should we should update the storm water management plan to reflect that information, but that will also be I guess you know
corrected and updated as part of the next NOI filing. Okay. So, it won't be listed on this the MS4 for the one that ended June 30th. And the other thing is that Save the Bay uh periodically sends people out and
they've done testing at Broad Cove. So uh that's just something else to to uh keep in mind. Um Okay. Well, I guess going back to so the sampling that we did do this go around those and the screening, we're going to have you include one of the tables
related to that effort with your annual report. So you will submit that information. Okay. EPA does ask for that information, but we can talk about that before before you, you know, you file the report, but assumably it'll probably end up just being a couple of the tables that be included in the report that you'll include a separate attachments
with your your email to EPA. But um but they do ask in the annual report that you ask if if other testing is being done. Um sometimes they do ask if you can submit that as well. They're just trying to get all access to any information that would be available for sampling,
right? I saw that. And then I saw the last table in your report. You can't read it. The print's so small. I know. I know. I'll do We'll do better when I send you those hard copies. I'll make that bigger. Okay. So, those are more legible. I apologize for that. Um
Yeah. I know. I did it on 8 and 1 half by 14 and uh using landscape and I still could not read it. So, anyhow, we'll do by 17. I'll make sure it's legible before I put it in the mouth. Okay. I think I think I told you that um
when we were preparing the budget, you gave us a list of uh recommendations with potential cost estimates. Um we did uh select the it was the testing Tom was the testing and it was roughly
$15,000 and we did get that approved at town meeting. So, for the year we're in now, uh we do have uh some storm water testing money and I I believe it was 15,000. Uh obviously the list is lengthy, but uh money is very tight in
this town. Uh yeah. So So I think it's pending if it's required because I'm not sure if our region is required. Yeah. Well, if we don't spend it, we don't spend it, but at least we've got money if we have to do something.
We're banking on her to identify if we're required to or not. Okay. Um, as far as the new permit, Yeah. Uh, coming out in about six months, I remember the previous permit was due out and was due out and was due out and
five years later it finally came out. I know. That's why it was surprising. And it's funny in this call, I I actually was on a call related to a community that kind of is behind on a bunch of stuff. And so they were we were having a meeting with EPA to figure out how to get them caught up. And New offered that information. It was funny
because I was curious about the status, but I didn't even ask him that question. He just said, "We're expecting the new permit to be out within the next six months." And I I agree with you 100% given the timeline that we've seen in the past. Um it was kind of shocking to hear him say that with such a quick kind of turnaround, but so be interesting to
see if that actually materializes. But he's, you know, I can imagine he would offer that information if he didn't think that that was going to happen. Yeah, the the reason I remember it is because I was on a committee at Mass Municipal Association uh policy committee on energy and environment
and I'm the the uh a letter came out from um EPA signed by Thilma Murphy and stating that we were all set and I happened to mention it at a meeting and they said you couldn't possibly have that. They haven't approved any. I says,
"We we got a letter of approval." I mean, I'm looking at the letter and they're telling me it didn't come out, but we did have the letter, but that's why I remembered it was it took so long. So, okay. Does anybody on the committee have any questions? Not at this time.
None. All set, Lisa. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for the information. Okay, Charice, we're going to let you go. Okay. Enjoy the Thank you guys so much. I apologize that I'm not um there in person or Well, no, we appreciate you being available. Um Nancy and Tom, I'll definitely be in touch with you both
next week. Okay, very good. Thank you. Enjoy. Thank you. Okay. Bye. Bye. Great. Take care. Bye. Bye. Um do we have any unanticipated items? Does anybody have anything public input? Mrs. Post?
No, I was just wondering if I'm under the uh unanticipated if something was going to come up. Uh, no. Um, correspondence. Not really correspondence. I just want you to know I did place an order uh for 600 calendars based on the
estimate they gave me. Um, I had trouble submitting it electronically. So, I actually printed it and I mailed a copy to Mr. Kabalo at the school and I'll follow up with him uh when school opens. But, uh, so so that's done and we have
the money uh to cover it. uh incumbent. So, you have enough photos or No, I'm still looking for photos, but I need them soon. But I thought I actually have um I sent one to Tom and Heather um last was it
Thursday night that storm front came through uh and the sky got very dark and it rained for a while. Uh that was the one I sent to you. I was able to lighten up. That was an interesting picture. Uh, and the thing
is the dog is standing on the deck looking as if to say, you know how animals respond to weather changes, especially bad weather, and and the dog is is he's just there looking, you know. Um, I got three pictures today from the
town clerk that were taking some taken somewhere on Elm Street. Um, uh, beautiful blue skies. Uh, one was a hay field uh with woods and stuff, but they were I'll call them nature scenes.
Um, still waiting for the Aggie school. Got to remind him. And Paul uh Reynolds is supposed to send something to me. So, uh, if anybody's got others, um, I'm just putting them all in a file. And I've got some left over from last year.
I found one I took, um, Broad Cove Nature Trail. It's a giant beehive. You know the ones that make those gray things that are wasps. Wasp. Yeah. It's huge. And the day we went down
there, uh we walked down to look at the property that's fenced off. That was the whole purpose of the of the walk. But I got a picture of this beautiful beehive. Uh, good thing it was up high because I don't think we want to
disturb the neighbors. Um, the next thing is um, uh, the minutes for June the 18th. I need a motion to approve. Motion to approve June 18th, 2025. Is there a second?
A second. Any discussion? All in favor? I I votes unanimous. Um, let me just check the meeting date. Oh, my calendar says that's citizen citizenship
day. Okay, that looks okay. Um, uh, does anybody have anything they want to bring up? potential agenda items or anything. If not, I'll enterain a motion to adjurnn.
Motion to adjurnn. [Music] I'll second. Have a motion in a second. All in favor? I I Okay, we are adjourned at two.
What's that number? Is it 12? 10. 210. Yeah. Thank you everybody. Thank you. No, thank you. This