Good afternoon everyone. This is the regular monthly meeting of the stormwater committee. It's Wednesday, October 15, 2025. It's 100 p.m. This is a public meeting video and audio
recorded for posting on YouTube. So, I have called this to order at 1 p.m. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Attendance. Roll call. >> David Phillips here. >> Tom Ferry here. >> Dan Higgins here.
>> Nancy Gulot here. So, we have a new member. Uh Robert Woods was our representative from the planning board and served for well over a year. Thanks for your service, Woody. We enjoyed having you on board. Uh our new rep from the planning
board is Dan Higgins. Uh, how long you been on the planning board, Dan? >> A little over two years. >> I was going to say two. >> Yeah, as in too long. >> Seems like more than that. Um, welcome, Dan. We're glad to have you on board.
Uh, and along those lines, um, we have an initiation that has to take place. So, Mr. Ferry, I'll turn this over to you. >> Okay. So, it's it's informative.
>> Is it optional? No, >> you really should share it. >> Oh, okay. >> Yes. So, we we have brochures uh for the stormwater committee. You might be quizzing at the next meeting. It's useful information. Also,
the D side which you'll find that we parallel with that and it's very similar as planning board rules and rags. We got we don't make up a lot of the rules. We just need to have the tone of follow them. That's what it's about. Some other miscellaneous information.
Some of this will be discussing today. Very important. >> No calendar. >> No. No calendar. >> Okay. >> Year's almost over. Okay. >> That's a gripper. >> It's got a slogan on it. >> What slogan is this one?
>> Grip on storm water. Yep. >> Yep. And I know you're kind of a whimsical guy, so you got a Frisbee, too. Same thing. Be solution for storm water solution. >> Okay. Awesome. >> You even get a bag to carry it all home
in. >> I will cherish them. Thank you. >> So, in those those brochures, the one that's in color, uh, that's right from the D, excuse me, EPA. It really concerns more along the line of uh
industrial or huge developments as far as their requirements which is what we try to follow. >> And the one that's uh copied black and white that's more relevant to uh smaller projects uh home sites um if somebody
puts in a huge septic system uh there's rules in there but again our bylaw pretty much follows that. So, welcome aboard. Uh, along those lines, um, I think you already noticed, but, uh, Western and Samson is in the process of
reviewing everything, uh, storm water. Um, the bylaw, the regulations. They've already completed the first phase of testing, which was sent to uh, EPA, copy to the EP. I'll make a note to copy you
on the MS4 that that went in uh the last Friday in September. They sent a second report uh and I will also make sure you get that they're continuing to work on the bylaw
and regs. They waited to do those till last because the testing had to be completed before June 30th. So it would correspond to the reporting period. So that was the the uh outfalls and uh testing dry weather testing, wet
weather testing. Um the good news is they look for illicit discharges and didn't find any. Uh we haven't found any either. uh ones that have been reported to us have not been um something that would be uh
created locally by a homeowner or something. We had a couple of leaking trucks that that the companies reported to D and copied us on it. And all we did was make note of it so that we could uh put in the MS4 uh for whatever year it
was that we had been notified about a leaking fuel truck and whatever else had happened. um and that was taken care of by the the owner of the vehicle, but we just noted that uh there was a discharge
and it was appropriately cleaned up. Um so, um I will I will email those to you uh for your information. Um, I'm thinking that the engineer, her name is Jereice Schwarz,
uh, who works for Weston and Samson, uh, will have something for us in November. Uh, when we get that final report, uh, we'll have to go over it. will have to have meetings with uh various boards and
committees because it does affect them and uh fine-tune it or make changes whatever we feel needs to be done eventually when we get the proposed bylaw
uh we will need a public hearing because we'll be taking it to town meeting. So a bylaw has to go to a public hearing prior to the town meeting. you have to have a a public hearing for bylaws, a public meeting for regulations.
So, um I I think one of the major changes that we're aware of that we've talked about a number of times is the uh area of disturbance for a storm water permit is 35,000 square ft. Uh and we've talked about going to an acre, which is the
federal regulation. Uh but we'll see how it all comes out when we get her proposal. So maybe by the November meeting um there will be something coming along. Um
but that's where we are with that. Uh I think she started when did she start the testing Tom? Was it about March would you guess? >> Started. Yes. >> Around March. Okay. And this is all being paid for by uh OPA money that we
applied for in the way back when. So we're hoping to wrap it up um at least her work by the end of November. Uh but definitely I think December is the I'm thinking that's the cut off, but I'm not positive, but I'll check with the town on that. So those are some of the things
that are out there. Um does anybody have any old business? I don't have anything here. Nothing. We do have a guest on pizza. That must be that county street address. >> Okay. Uh
>> yes, I'm here. Can you bring him up? >> Here he is. Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. >> Um could you pronounce your name for us,
please? Yes. Um, hi, my name is Carlos. Um, I'm the the owner's project manager um managing the CN pizza uh renovation
project. So, um we uh we're adding two residential units um behind uh the store uh and uh one office as well. And um so far we got approval from the um
from the board of health department uh agreed to do to add those and um last thing we had a meeting with the planning board. Uh we were talking about um the storm the the the water um the storm
water management. Um, so we were saying that um we we we're not touching the the envelope or any structure or the roof or anything. We just adding some walls inside splitting. >> Okay. Okay.
>> Sorry. >> Can you get closer to a microphone because it's difficult to hear you? >> Is that okay? >> Or can you turn that up, Sean? >> It's almost 100. Um, let me try.
>> Okay. Would you say your name again, please? >> Yeah. Carlos. >> Carlos. >> Carlos. And the last name? >> Say fan. >> Carlos. >> Carlos. Siphan. I don't want to say it wrong. Is that correct?
>> Yes. You can call me. It's easier. >> All right. Um before you finish your explanation, I just want to uh have the members of the stormwater committee uh say their name and what committee they represent. The stormwater committee is
actually made up of representatives from various boards and committees in the town. So they're all connected somehow. Um, and that way they can go back to their respective boards and committees and keep them up to speed on what's happening with the storm water
committee. So, I'll start to my left. >> David Phillips, conservation committee. >> Tom Ferry, Dane Howard, department. >> Dan Higgins, Planning Board. >> Nancy Gulot. I represent the board of selectman, but I'm not a selectman. Um,
so the reason you're on the agenda is because you met with the planning board and they asked us to just get in touch with you to get more details to find out whether or not there is anything that would fall under our jurisdiction.
Now, my understanding is that um you're going to be doing renovations inside. Is it the twostory apartment building or is it the pizza building? >> It's the pizza building and the garage behind it. >> So, it's one store.
>> All right. So, will the pizza business stay there or is that going to be turned into apartments too? >> Uh the pizza store, >> the restaurant. >> Yeah, it's going to stay. >> All right. So, you're working in the
back part of that building. Correct. >> Okay. And how many apartments are you talking about? >> Two apartments and one office. One small office. >> Okay. Um,
will you be doing any work in the restaurant or is that still going to stay the way it is right now? >> It's going to stay the way it is. >> Okay. Um the current septic system for that building uh does it have the capacity to
handle the two apartments in the office? >> Correct. >> All right. Will you be doing any work physically outside the building? >> No. >> Okay. Um obviously our area of concern would be land disturbance.
So that eliminates pretty much storm water committee uh requirement for a storm water permit. Do any members of the board have any questions for him? >> No. I mean I've heard um is presented to the planning board and our opinion was
that there was no impact >> to storm water. We just wanted to make sure we weren't missing anything which is why we asked you to invite him here today. >> Okay. Uh so based on everything we've heard and from um what the planning board has already
talked about is uh we don't see a reason for the storm water committee to get involved with this project. Um we will notify well Dan's here so he can notify the planning board that we met and talked to you and that we don't see any
reason for a storm water committee to require anything. So you'll just be dealing with whatever board's probably planning that you're dealing with now. >> So you had asked at the last planning board meeting about blanket wavering of all storm water related. So sounds like
that won't not be an issue. So tonight's meeting, I don't know if you're attending tonight, um that'll just be revisited and the board can make a proper decision based upon that. So >> okay, sounds good. Thank you so much. >> Okay. The other thing you need to know is if by any chance you have to do
anything outside the building, if you disturb 35,000 square feet or more, you would be required to have a storm water permit and we would be talking to you about that. Obviously, if you were dealing with a septic system, you'd be dealing with a border health,
too. So, for right now, we're good to go and you're all set. >> Thank you so much. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for coming. >> Thanks. Bye. Bye. building out back. What's that? A garage or is it a garage? >> It's garage right now. Yes. >> Does anybody use it?
>> I'm not aware of it. No. >> Was it Who was it? Dave. Dave. Was it Dave Rose? >> That was a couple weeks ago. a couple week we talking 15 20 years 25 >> oh no a lot more than that a lot more
than that yeah um I remember when the front part the restaurant was Don uh TV and was it appliances but they sold televisions and uh record players
now if they were there they'd have customers again um and I'm thinking appliances this um then I got turned into a pizza place. Um unanticipated items. I do have something here. Um I did not put this on the
agenda, so we will not get into a lengthy discussion. Uh Tom, this is the proposal from Weston and Samson. >> Yes. >> All right. You got it on your machine. Okay. So, I'm going to give Dave and Dan copies of this. Um it came in last
night. Um so what this is about is there are three homes on Horton Street. Uh they went to the planning board. They got a large lot divided into three house lots. Uh the father will
live in the middle lot and the two children adult children will live on either side. uh because of the land amount of land disturbance each lot itself is more than an acre which well exceeds the the storm water bylaws um regs so and because we
don't have anybody to do the inspections that are required this is a proposal from Weston and Samson uh to do the work that would have been done by a stormwater agent if we had one
so I've sent this over to a copy over to Alaco uh told him I would be in touch with him about this um because the next step would be for the town to issue a
contract for services. Um and basically the second page shows what will be done. Uh this will be based this this is based on what is required uh when the town issues a storm water
permit and I was able to find an old a storm water permit that it was issued. It's for the uh solar farm behind Arou.
But uh I'll just pass this around just so you understand what it is that I asked Weston and Samson to do. Um >> so what's the next step? They don't have the permit yet.
>> The application has been it's supposed to be held at the board of health. So the next thing is we can issue when they need to write what needs to go on the back. So what you're looking at at the front end that's that's kind of
description of the project and what the boxes that are on the right side. Um this is this form is on blue card stock uh and it's printed on both sides. So when the storm water permit is issued,
which is what you have in your hand, the person doing the inspections back in the old day, it was a stormwater agent. He would go out and make little entries in those boxes that shows when he made uh visits and what his comments or findings
were and all that. What's on the back is the meat of the whole thing. And so because we don't have anyone to take the plane and look at what was approved by the planning
board, the conservation, whoever, um they're going to write the terms and conditions for the back of the permit. They'll do the front and the back and then they will provide an engineer to do go do the inspection. So, what you see on page two,
uh, field investigations, things like that, they're going to provide the services for three house lots that a, um, storm water agent would have done. Uh, and and he was a PE. So, obviously, you need somebody qualified to do these
inspections to make sure that they they fit the requirements of everything that that's considered uh, uh, important. conservation, the planning board, um, board of health, uh,
so forth, so on. So, what you're looking at is the proposal from Weston and Samson to have somebody um, do the review the approvals, which I
believe have already been done because he lists the documents he got from the planning board and the conservation, no, ZBA. Um, and I know that Lisa was sending in stuff from the conservation commission. Of the three lots, there is
one lot that has got wetland issues and the conservation commission is dealing with that. Um, so this in effect replaces our storm water agent that we used to have. So this
whoever gets assigned this task from Western Samson will complete this work, make the entries when the site visits are made and make sure that the work is done according to the approved plans
from whatever town boards are involved in this. Okay. >> And you said you thought it was CBA. >> Excuse me. >> CBA was the approving authority >> uh >> initially. I know that ZBA both ZBA and planning
were approved. >> The planning probably just I know I kind of remember planning just said you have enough frontage to split the lots with no comment about whether they're buildable. So it was just the split the lot thing. >> Yeah about what you want to build.
>> So on that >> okay >> his comments about the planning board that that pretty much covers that. Um, so, so the price for Weston and Sam to provide oversight for
these three house lots is $9,810 or $3,270 per home. We've made an initial site visit. Um Tom and and Lisa, you've been up there, Dave. Yeah.
>> And um Abel was there, right? >> Yeah. So I there's nothing else we need to do at this time. The next step would be like you're saying, Board of Health finished filling it out. >> Well, the next step is I got to get the
town administrator to issue the contract for them to do the work. Then when we get the terms and conditions back >> before the 53 is set up. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. The money's going to be on deposit before we can issue anything. >> That's what I'm saying. So I would say that it's going to be finished filled
out. Get the money and initiate the contract then. Right. >> No. I'm going to ask the town administrator to issue a contract for services for all of what's described there. I'm gonna ask a Samson provide the information. In
other words, make up this form as it applies. They can do three individual ones or they can do one, but I think three individuals probably because it's three addresses and we know one of them's got wetlands. So,
three storm water permits. Give these to the board of health. They'll collect the money. I think it's 250 a lot for a house. Something like that. Something like that. >> Plus the 3,000 change. >> Um the homeowners, the the lot owners have
got to provide the money for each of the lots. Then Weston and Samson can begin. They we can once we get the permit once we get the application uh storm water
permit front and back, we give that to the board of health. She can issue the permits and collect 100 250 per lot. Um, Wesley and Samson will not begin working until this money is on deposit in the 53G account. >> Okay. >> So,
uh, after I have a chance to talk to Lisa, we've got to get in touch with the gentleman >> because Ralph and Liz got to get on board, >> get this wrapped up. >> But right now, we're waiting for uh, the contract to be issued. Weston and Samson, a new
>> guy. Yeah. Lester Samson accepting the uh uh the filling signing the contract for services. The money comes in. Western Samson can begin work.
Um so that's where we are with this. >> Yeah. Right. We're still not stopping the airport. We're moving along. Well, we haven't stopped it yet because they had other approvals >> to maintain the location around the co. They're pretty responsive.
>> Dan, have you been up to that area at all? >> Okay. Um, if there's a site visit planned in the meantime, we'll let you know and if you're available. Uh, they have done a lot of work. Um, the houses sit back
quite a ways from the road and they have put in rip wrap where the driveway meets the road. so you don't have all that silk running out into the road. Uh the conservation part of it as far as silk socks and other things Lisa is dealing with. Um
when storm water and conservation work together on a project, we determine who's got the most um if it's a violation uh or in this case, we got three house lots. two of them don't have wetland
problems. So, storm water is involved with all three, but Lisa is really focused on that other lot that's got that. And she will handle the storm water, excuse me, the conservation part because by making sure they put in silk socks and they control runoff and all
that on that lot. That automatically uh fits in with what we're doing too, but rather than two committees telling them the same thing. So she'll handle that, but she is part of the whole just like we're part of the whole. Uh so um
whenever we've had joint projects, we usually determine which if it's a violation situation, which violations were worse. Is it conservation clean uh wetlands protection act or is it storm
water which is the clean water act? So, we have once we determine that, then we know who's going to take the lead. Um, we had a clean up on the segreg took the lead on that because once the
concom concerns were cleaned up, it automatically took care of storm water issues. Uh, we had another project in Taton that was on the Segregancet River. Um it was a condo site. Uh it wasn't a conservation issue per
se. It was a storm water issue because they were building too close to the segregans river which is the boundary but which is also uh a major water supply for the town of Giten. So we got involved with that and storm water took the lead. Kong was with us on it and
attended meetings uh of the time conservation commission but we were able to work through it and get the plans changed to prevent the runoff and protect the river because again of the water uh rights and supply up there. So that's what we usually do is determine
who's got the worst problem to deal with. Okay. So, um, in this case, um, I think we need a vote, uh, to accept the proposal from Weston and
Samson. Uh, send it to the town administrator so a contract can be issued. >> The recommended contract, please. Accept a proposal from Weston and Samson for the homes on Horton Street >> as presented. >> And forward it to the town administrator
to issue a contract for services. >> So moved. >> Have a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor? I >> I opposed.
Motion passes unanimously. Is there any public input? >> I was just wondering if you know anything about Brook Street. They did plant the plants on the >> You go this because the Can you hear a mic?
>> Lauren Bose 1680 Pine Street. Um so I was wondering if there was any more news on Brook Street. They did plant the plants on the burm, but you said a lot when they do plant the plants on the burm that they're going to straighten out the basin. That still had a bit of a
problem. And I'm don't know if you know if they did that. >> I'm not aware that either basin has a problem. >> You took the picture that still after 72 hours had water in it. >> Yeah, that's just a regrading of the stone,
>> right? Have they done that? question. Yeah, >> it was supposed to be done when they planted. Had they done that? >> I I I wasn't even notified they were planting. So, I I wouldn't know. >> So, I'm going to check and make sure. >> I'll send a um
send an email to Jonathan Prasad, who is the the contact person, uh and ask about regrading. Is it the big basin, Tom? >> One. Yeah, that' be one closest to the gate. And I was just wondering like who
monitors the basin to make sure that it continues to drain within the 72 hours. >> I don't think anyone would ever be there with a stopwatch. >> Well, within 3 days of a big storm,
which um when did you take the picture, Tom? Would you guess? >> That was in this early spring, right? That was that was early spring, >> I would. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was springtime somewhere around springtime.
>> I'll ask if anyone monitored after the rain we just had. >> Did you happen to notice who did the plantings? >> You know, I didn't. I just noticed that they were done. So, I had to have been out on those.
But speaking of the plantings, they're already tipping over. So, could they possibly like stake them in the ground? >> I'll find out who's doing it. Um, >> because two have already tipped over.
What looks like two anyway. >> Well, I'll find out who's going to go back and stabilize the what they planted. How I haven't been down. How tall are these trees? >> They're not that tall. >> Okay. >> No. >> Um, under five feet. >> I'm five feet. So maybe
>> Okay. I don't know for sure. It's hard to tell with the distance, but um and I don't know if you're aware that they are online. >> No, I haven't heard that. >> I had the electric company tell me that
they're online. >> Okay. So, that means they finished up the work with whatever had to be done because of the panels. >> I don't know if the batteries are in or the switch is actually closed. >> I'm sorry. I don't know if the batteries are in and the switch is actually closed, but yeah, the panels would be
energized. Yes. >> Yeah, they're they're producing the electric, >> right? >> Is what the electric company told us. So, I don't know about the batteries. Do you know about the batteries if they're >> No, I'll add that to the list. >> Okay. >> The price needs to know, too.
>> Yep. So just in case all requirements haven't been met, just to let you know. >> They uh I know when when did uh National Grid tell you they were online? >> They told us a couple of weeks ago and
they have been online for about two months. >> That doesn't make sense, huh? Well, we wouldn't we somebody got notification of that happening. Uh because I'm sure I've had emails back and forth with
Jonathan and Jonathan Prasad and he had said the last time I checked with him, which I'm thinking might have been um I got in touch with him the last time
about the trees. So, unless they came on after I talked to him in emailed him in August, which would have uh could have been could have been, but um the last thing he told me was that they had not finished whatever
national grid told them they had to do because the panels sat idle for so long. So, but anyhow, all right, I will send an email to uh Jonathan Prasad and check on all these things. >> Okay. >> Um, as far as ongoing inspections, we
don't do that, especially since we don't have a storm water agent. Uh, if we still had a storm water agent on board, um, he might make periodic evaluations if he was if we thought there was a problem. But um
aside from Brook Street, I don't know of any of the solar farms that have been reinspected once they were went online. >> Random expect inspections. >> Okay. >> And be it be an above normal storm event after I get caught up. I would spot
visit some especially something like that. I would t that be one of my targets. That one in particular. >> Okay. But they they wouldn't be a scheduled >> um minimum and I think we were doing two a year. Uh we did have uh members of the storm
water committee go out uh and the fire chief was there just to make sure they're mowing and keeping the vegetation down so it's not growing up into the panels. Uh and also look to see if there was any erosion or things like that because um one of the solar farms
on Richmond Hill. Uh when you drive in it's um a tough road and to get to the one behind it. Uh initially there were problems with erosion. So um at least once a year
they're monitored to make sure that the the basins are being mowed and they're not growing into trees. Right. Right now it's not a mandate but coming with the MS4 all of them need to be cataloged and they're third party inspected and maintained and we don't have to do the
work but they have to get share the report with us but that's not mandated yet. So we would have a mechanism we wouldn't even have to go on their property. We can see that something's done but it's not in motion yet but that's something that's >> it's coming. >> It's coming.
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Uh Heather for the next meeting uh update on Zola. I'll hopefully have information from Jonathan. Was there any correspondence that came
in? None. Uh approval of the minutes for September 17th. Have a motion, please. Motion to approve the minutes from September 17, 2025. >> Second.
>> I'll second. >> Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? >> I >> I saying >> I three votes for one abstension. Next meeting is set for November 19th.
2025. We are probably going to invite um someone from the three projects on street, the three housing projects uh to come in. Um we have not taken action to shut them down even though there are some
violations there. Um but um once this uh permit is issued and we're set to go, I think we'll ask them to come in just to give us uh if it's just a progress report or whatever or if
there are any violations, we would hear them at that time. Does anybody have anything before we adjourn? anything that came up, what did you think of or um I have still not heard back from Bristol Plymouth about
the 2026 calendars. Uh I've sent them mail last August uh through the post office. Um I've sent at least three emails and I haven't gotten a response. Um
I will keep trying. uh told them I needed at least 200 for the lights on. Uh I hope we don't run into what we did last year. But anyhow, uh if there's nothing else, is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Uh all in favor? I I >> I We're journed at what's that one? >> What's the saying? >> 138. >> 138. Oh, that's good. Right out front
time.