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Good afternoon everyone. This is the monthly meeting of the Dyton Storm Water Committee. It's Wednesday, April 15, 2026. It is 10:01 p.m. Calling the meeting to order. Uh we are

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in the uh upper level meeting room at the old town hall. This is a public meeting being video and audio recorded for posting on YouTube and we have a a Zoom posting there. Uh has anyone zoomed in yet, Tom? >> No.

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>> Okay, fine. Um when you when we stand, the pledge of allegiance, please remain standing. Today is an important day. Um, as you can tell by my t-shirt,

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>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I just want to mention and commemorate

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this is the 13th anniversary of the terrorist bombing that happened near the finish line Boston Marathon. April 15, 2013. Um I think we all saw the pictures. Young

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boy Martin Richards, eight years old. Uh Dennis Simmons who was a Boston police officer. He was involved in the shootout in Watertown and later died from his injuries. Crystal Campbell, she was a student at

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UMass Boston. Uh Lingu Ling Zoo Lee um and Sean Collia who was the police officer from MIT who was also murdered.

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But all of these people died directly as a result result of that uh a terrorist bombing and I just wanted to mention it because we happen to be meeting today. So in their memory I would just ask for a moment of silence please.

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>> Thank you. >> And chair is joining me. >> Okay. Hi Jim. >> Hey Nancy. >> So today we have um uh Dave Phillips from the conservation

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commission, Tom Ferry from the highway department. Um we have Dan from the planning board and I'm here. Lisa is absent because something came up and she couldn't make it. So, um, so, uh, just to

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mention, we have with us today from Weston and Samson, Jim Reed, and he's just sitting in in case anyone has questions about any of the agenda items. Um so the first item is agenda item 4A

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update on Horton Street Homes. Lisa had made a site visit there and uh there was some runoff, silted runoff and she got in touch with me and I followed up with uh

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Frank Longo who was sort of in charge of all three sites and they got their contractor to come down and to put down more silk socks and they sent pictures which I followed did the email. I hope you you all got it,

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but it showed uh some new silk socks. It showed some water running that was clear and so uh main thing was uh they addressed it right away. So that was that was very good.

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I haven't been up there lately. Have you been out there, Tom? >> Just driving by. Uh >> there's nothing on the road. Yes. Everything is clean. >> Are there shelves of the houses up? I'm sorry. >> Are there shells of the houses up? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. All right. Have you been by there, Dave? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It look It looks decent. >> You know, it could most of the silk that was there previous is pretty much gone. >> Okay. For the most part. >> Okay. Have you been up in that area,

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Dan? >> Just to drive by. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, I haven't heard back on this is agenda item 4B. I haven't heard back yet from uh Bristol Plymouth. Um, I did send an

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email ask if I could meet with uh them after the April vacation, which is next week. So, um, I got in touch with Heather, see what we have. Um, when I get a chance, I'll look to see what you've got on your computer. then I'll

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know what's on mine that I haven't said to you. Um, and yeah, there were some duplications. And I think I think the main reason we have duplications is it's a question about which picture is the best one, which when we enlarge them and look at

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them, we can figure out we can figure out what where we're going to put them, uh, what month they're going to represent. But do you happen to know did I send you one of a full moon that was taken down near the river? No, >> it's at night. >> No.

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>> Um, I actually shot it with and without flash and the pictures are quite different because a flash at nighttime down there would mean nothing. But there is a picture of a moon and I've just I wrote a date. Um, I've just got to look

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to see, you know, which moon it was. There's the wolf moon and the strawberry. Certainly wasn't the strawberry moon, but I had look to see which one it is. But I took it at the park, the tsentennial park. That's why. Oh, that's a good one. Um, night photos are high.

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>> Yeah, there agenda item 4C 2231 El Street update on silted runoff at building one. Um, this is something else that Lisa was had discovered in driving by and uh she sent

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the email to uh Jason Souza who works for the construction company and uh they did immediately look into it and took action to

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uh put in additional storm water controls. Uh that's a tough site simply because of the slope of the land. Um the next item is agenda item 4 D.

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Um so where we are with this project. Um and I I did contact Jen Heeney and ask her uh to let Mr. didn't even know that we we were meeting today and would be willing to discuss with his concerns

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about the proposal that was put together by Westmin Samson to do the uh storm water review. Uh Jen wrote back that she had a funeral and that Mr. Eman was uh out of state at the time. I

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haven't heard anymore. I also invited um town administrative attack to come because Mr. Eman had contacted him about uh the uh concern about the cost and the necessity of

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storm water monitoring of the site. Um, I copied everybody on an email that Ralph Fitaco sent to me on April the 4th. And on the top of that, I

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responded, excuse me, to him on on April the 12th. Um what he said was that um I guess what concerns me about the email is first of all Mr. Eman has not contacted the storm water committee at

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all. Uh he chose to contact the town administrator. Um, I would have thought it started with the stormwater committee and that's why I asked Jim Reen to be here today in case anyone was here from Eman that wanted to

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talk about the proposal. Um, the the gist of what Mr. Vaco said was that Mr. even was concerned about being asked to pay $10,000 for storm water monitoring.

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And uh he goes on to talk about what he knows. Uh Ralph has not met with this committee either and he wanted to meet with me to I'm looking for the right words. you wanted to meet with me, I believe,

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to talk about the situation. I have made it very clear from day one. Uh I don't do backdoor deals. Uh this discussion belongs before this committee. Um my concern is that uh

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Ralph wrote, and I quote, "I am no storm water afficionado, but I hope we can proceed reasonably with Mr. Enus, with Mr. EAN and any future applicants," unquote. U uh we're certainly ready to meet with Mr. Eean anytime.

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I don't intend to meet with him or anybody else as an individual, but I will certainly talk and schedule any kind of a meeting that the committee's at. Uh it's this committee's job to enforce

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storm water bylaw rules regg. You pick it and we got to enforce it. Um, but the rest of it was, uh, we can proceed reasonably with Ming and any future applicants.

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I find that very insulting. I think it's inappropriate. I think it is without merit. I think all of you that have been on this committee for a while know that we treat people fairly. we treat

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them equitably. We don't discriminate. Uh we do what we have to do. Um so this is the situation we're in. Um I would have thought um I would have

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expected at least to hear from Ralph. I got no response at all. So, at this point in time, I don't know where this whole thing stands except we are still waiting for Mr. Eman

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to give the town a check for it. I think it's $10,360 for the project. Um, one of the things that uh Ralph mentioned

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uh was that Mr. E and wanted to know why this has to be done uh why there has to be um these inspections so forth and so on and that they send us the reports and yes we get the monitoring reports that

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the uh monitor the company hired to monitor the site on behalf of the property owner and the construction company. Lisa gets them, she forwards them. There are pictures. Uh I respond to them at times. They're very good at responding

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and all of that's fine. The other thing is I don't think they realize once a storm water project is completed

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whether it's a solar farm or in the case of the Horton Street project uh residential homes uh whether it's an industrial site the basins that are created have to be monitored at least annually. You've been on those inspections, Tom.

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And the last one that I remembered, uh, I was not on the the inspection, but I know it was Tom in Jimagia and the fire chief. And the reason the fire chief goes is obviously he has to make sure that the access that

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was originally seen by him and approved by him, especially at solar farms, is still accessible by emergency equipment. There is no cost to the property or project owner for those inspections unless a problem is discovered in which

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case the storm water committee would follow up point it out and say you need to correct this. Most of the maintenance deals with keeping them mowed and so that brush doesn't grow in them and that they drain properly and they don't have uh I'll just say litter or something

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blowing because some of them are close to the road. Um, but in any case, uh, since no one's here to ask questions, I will reiterate, uh, anytime

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Mr. Taco, Mr. Eman, anybody who's got a project out there that we're looking at wants to discuss anything, um, all they have to do is get in touch with me and we will put it on an agenda. Um as far as sharing because another

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concern was uh Mr. even felt that um we should share information. Well, I think all of you know you've seen the monitoring reports with photographs not only for this project but for others all of the storm water projects whenever

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there was anything that came up. Um I sent out emails and copied everybody on it so they knew what the concerns were, who was doing whatever. Um I your inboxes are probably loaded

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with correspondence between um Ahmed Hafz and me on Brook Street and then the last ones would have been with Jonathan Prasad as they we were wrapping up that project. uh

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all of the discussion uh and disagreement that we had with Brook Street, which was been the hardest storm water project we've ever had to deal with. All of that was done and everyone was kept informed.

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Um and quite frankly, there were times when I was contacted by uh Mr. half that he wanted to skip steps and I said, "No, no, you got to go to the planning board because you've got to make major changes to it." And he said, "I believe those are major, but if the

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planning board says they're minor, we can proceed, but until I know, you've got to go back to them." And obviously they and their engineers didn't want want did not want to do that. But as it turned out, they finally went back to planning and yes, it had to be looked at

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again. And uh the end result was the uh final drainage proposal that they presented was approved by planning which means that then storm water could move ahead and uh

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there was testing and we got that one resolved. Uh so that site now is a I'll call it a monitoring site uh which is the same case with all the others. Um so does anybody have any

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questions on on the Eman site because at this point right now today we're waiting for a response from Mr. Eman. Uh Mr. Taco can't resolve this. This is going to come back to the storm water committee and questions about the proposal uh will

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be addressed. I will ask uh uh Mr. Reeden or somebody from Weston and Samson to attend the meeting and answer any questions. But um I don't have answers right now because I don't know questions and I think it was totally inappropriate to go through the

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town administrator to try to settle something that it's a very grassroots level, no pun intended. Um, I will just recall to everybody's memory

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the situation we had on the segregans river. That problem was until the city of time, but it was the storm water committee acting with the health agent, the building commissioner, the town administrator,

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all working together that that whole situation got resolved. And that was a very sensitive position because it involved a city. Uh it was resolved without legal issues, without because we all work together. So I really think that if we

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could hear from this property owner, uh we could work this out. So this will be on the agenda for next month. If I get anything in the meantime, I'll just keep copying you on where we are with communications.

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Um, so that's what we have on 4D. Does anybody have any questions or comments? Okay, hearing that, I'm going to move on to uh, excuse me, 4E FY27 budget update. Uh, so I understand that the debt

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exclusion failed. So has >> Oh, excuse me. Jim Ren, did you wish to comment? >> Um, I thought you did. did a very nice job uh explaining the situation, Nancy. And so, um I didn't have uh additional

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comments unless anybody has questions uh you know about the scope of work for uh the Eman property or anything like that. >> I just we probably don't need him to stick around unless he wants to stay. >> Excuse me. >> We don't need to stick around unless he wants to stay. >> Uh no, no. Uh but before you leave, Jim,

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I just want to make one other statement. >> Sure. All of the information I receive regardless of who sends it to me, I share with the committee and so I get inspection reports and depending upon

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what the comments are from the engineer who's out on site doing this uh for the company, not the town. I will write back and and say I might say, "When can this get corrected or something like that?"

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And they respond right away. Very good. I went forwarding all of those emails to Lon and Samson, not because I expect him to go to work on it because there is no money on deposit, but assuming we're going to get money to do this work, they will have all that

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information. They will have those pictures. So, in effect, everything that has come by or come through me and shared with this committee, I have sent to Weston and Samson. In addition, the proposal lists everything they have, the records from the planning board, the

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plans, all of this. The only thing we're waiting for is the funding to have Western and Samson go ahead and do the work. So, um I'm just stating this publicly so that uh if Jan or Mr. Eman

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get to see this meeting, um they understand we share everything. uh the amount of money that was in the proposal uh doesn't necessar necessarily have to

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be spent and we have a policy if it's not all spent and we return it to the party that paid it to the town. However, having looked at the proposal again, I'm not asking and Samson to change anything because it's premature since we don't

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know other than uh Mr. even thinks it's too much money. I I don't have an answer for that. Quite frankly, isn't excessive. We get notices all the time from people that say my taxes are too high. But uh

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we'll just wait and see what we get um from Mr. Eman and and see if we can get him or somebody from his organization to come in and meet with us and tell us specifically what his concerns are so that we can respond to him uh and let

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him know. But um Weston Samson does not duplicate work efforts. Uh it's uh what they were asked to do is what is needed that was not part of any other proposal that they did for any other board or

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commission. So anyhow, um, Jim Reen, I want to thank you very much for sitting in. >> Happy to do it. >> And, um, I'll be in touch with whatever we get and pass it on to you. >> Thank you very much. Um, I hope the rest

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of the meeting goes well. >> Okay. Thanks, Jim. >> Take care. >> You, too. Bye-bye. >> All right. Um, core EFY27 budget update. The debt exclusion, I understand, didn't pass. So, has there been any any kind of

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instructions or anything from the town uh administrator or anybody about what's supposed to happen? We submitted two budget. So, one with the debt exclusive, one without,

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but we already submitted that. So, it's basically contractual obligations. They don't change. We have the we should have enough for fuel and u the disposal. Those are the big ones. Have you heard uh at the

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FinCon is meeting, but I don't know if it's Thursday night tomorrow or but I'm thinking there is the reason I asked is because I got an email from the chairman and he had asked some questions and at the time I didn't know what the

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status of the debt exclusion was and uh it it didn't specifically refer to it was just general financial question things um about municipal finance. So, um I I guess at this point we just wait and

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see. >> I will be very surprised if they decide to eliminate trash pickup because I think there'll be a revolt quite frankly in town. Um, but

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we'll wait and see. That'll be on the agenda for the next meeting. Also, Heather, I'm going to keep update on the Hen Street Homes and U231 Elm Street. And now this one, budget update. This will be on the next agenda.

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Uh in case do we have any new information or uh if not we'll just pass over and continue on for red review discuss act update on MACS Arujo Solan.

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Um, so Weston and Samson put together a proposal based on the last report we got from Western and Samson that uh, at which time we voted to ask Weston and Samson

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to put together a proposal because that was the report that they talked about concerns about uh, potential over topping of the storm water basins. concern about some of the mathematical

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calculations on capacity. So, anyhow, that triggered the respon the request for proposal. The request for proposal is 23,000 and change. Um, I heard from Glenn Golden, and I'm not exactly sure what his title

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is because the man we've been dealing with, uh, Pete Warren, was copied on it, but it wasn't from Pete because he was the site manager, project manager on site. Uh, but Glenn

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thought that with the last response, everything was taken care of. I haven't seen anything that has addressed the Weston and Samson proposal other than the fact they don't think they need to do it. So, this is another

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situation where we have an outstanding proposal for storm water work by Weston and Samson. And uh this one in particular, they got

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the same report. And then you've got engineers talking to engineers. So to get an email saying they think it's okay. That's why I don't understand what Glenn's role in this. Maybe he's on the financial end, but uh we all saw the

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report from Weston and Samson. We were all concerned about it. So um I will get in touch with Mr. Golden again and asked them what is the status of the request to fund that proposal because

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the situation has not gotten better and we've had some heavy rains uh since that went out. So, um I had hoped somebody would sit in on today's meeting, which they haven't.

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But, uh in in in this particular case, I will offer them the chance to sit in to express concerns, to ask questions, and everything else. But if they continue to ignore it, then we're going to have to take enforcement

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action. Uh which is a future thing that we'll have to talk about. But again, with engineering reports that raised the question uh about a safety of safety hazards plural,

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um we're going to have to do something about this. Uh, so this is going to be on the agenda for next month also. And again, anything that I get, I will write to Glenn. I'll copy everybody on it and we'll see what

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we're going to get for a response, if any. Um I'm not aware of any other information that Lisa would have talked about uh other than we've already talked about Horton Street, we've talked about uh the

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silted runoff at the first building site on Elm Street. So those to the best of my knowledge have been addressed. Um so I don't have anything else under old business here. Um, new business. I don't

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have anything. Did anything come up, Heather? On the new business? >> Um, no, nothing. >> Okay. Unanticipated items. We have We don't have any public, so we don't have any public input. Uh, did we

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have any correspondence? >> No. Okay. Yes. Um, so I'll have a I'll have a update in May. Hopefully by the time we meet again, I will have been able to get to uh get some time with Bristol Plymouth

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and uh at least get the pictures to them. So that'll be when they come back to school in the fall, that'll they'll have the pictures, which usually takes the longest amount of time is to get the pictures set up.

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Did we have any expenditures? >> Um, we have so we have begun basin work in town. Um, so the last invoice was $8,335.

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They're cleaning all the basins and we also began street sweeping around in town and the we're just the employee salary is the expense. So so far it's been $3,190

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was how much? >> $3,190. >> Okay. And that's our employees doing that. John, the street sweeping. What was about street sweeping? What was the question? >> Well, the basin work is being contracted.

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>> All right. So, the the street sweeping that is taking place, it's being done by town employees. Yes. With our equipment. >> Okay. But the the stuff that gets disposed of >> uh the sweepings we we don't need to

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test. The basin stuff has to be tested. >> Okay. Okay. And the basin work when they remove whatever they also dispose of it after they it's tested >> after it's tested. Yes. The testing

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determines it its location. You know the where it's the bill waiting to be determined. >> Okay. Um is there a motion to approve the minutes of the March 18th meeting? >> So moved.

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>> The motion. Is there a second? I can't. I wasn't here. >> You can actually You can actually approve. >> Second. Second. >> Any discussion on the minutes hearing? None. All in favor?

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>> I. >> Next meeting is Wednesday, May the 20th, 2026. Here. Uh, does anyone have anything that they would like to see on the agenda before we adjourn? anything you can think of coming up

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other than we'll just have these usual items. >> Are we going to do anything for the couch which is coming up at the end of May? Yes, they did contact me for that officially and we will have a table and uh

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as me I again heard uh for the art show in >> yes sir >> the fall and so we're all set with uh there was two different members of the Lions club that contacted me. Um, so we

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are set for both of those events and the couch was going to be the one the second event for the reporting year that ends June 30th and then the fall arts festival will be the first one for the next reporting period. Um, the other

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thing too is I have questions about the reporting period as far as supposedly new new storm water eggs were coming out from the EPA and they keep saying they're coming out. Uh, nobody's seen

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them. Uh, I believe we are in our ninth ninth reporting year that ends June 30th. The notice of intent ends the following year because it was a 10day notice of intent.

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So, um I keep wondering when we're going to find out about what these new regulations are and what we might have to do. But in any case, in the past, I mean,

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they've extended them for as much as five years at a time. Year after year, it got extended extended. Uh, so I don't know if they we don't get the new regs

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and we get into our 10th year, I don't know if we're going to be required to do a notice of intent. Uh it seems to me the last that notice of intent that I did 9 years ago was during a period when we were still waiting for the new regs and then some came out and we continued

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on and that was part of the work that Western and Samson's doing for us as far as updating everything. So, uh I'm just thinking down the road wondering there is a uh

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the the statewide storm water meeting that's coming up on Thursday. Did you see that? >> Yes. >> Okay. I can't attend that because I've got a training session in this building for uh assesses on uh trying to think

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what it is now. But it's it's I think it deals with um updates on different kinds of real and personal property. So I that's I believe it's 9 to 12. So I'm going to be here and I can't sit

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in on that meeting. So if anybody gets a chance to sit in on that. >> Is this tomorrow or next Thursday? >> I haven't got my book. I was thinking it was tomorrow. >> I'm out tomorrow. Tomorrow. Tomorrow I get the D meeting. She can't come in.

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Not allowed to. >> You get any chance to watch television for an hour or so? >> Tomorrow. What time? >> It's 10:00. I think >> I can send you the information. >> Yeah, send the information. See you.

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>> All you have to If you got the time, all you have to do uh send it to Dan, too. I don't want anybody left out. If you have a chance, all you have to do is sign in on Zoom. And listen, and I got to tell

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you, in all honesty, most of the important stuff starts at the very beginning because that's when uh if Michelle Voodoo was there from the EPA and whoever might show up from the um D,

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their comments will be the stuff that we'd really be interested in. like if we're going to regs, the regs are going to change or the new regs are coming out or there's a delay. After that, they talk about programs and they then they get reports from regional areas. Uh most

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of which doesn't apply to where we are in this part of the state. But uh so I don't think you're going to get stuck listening for a long period of time because EPA and D, they get through this stuff pretty quickly. Wow.

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>> So, yeah, but I I don't even, you know, I don't know if it'll be 15 or 20 minutes because I'm I'm usually there at the beginning and then after that it's I'm listening to it, but I'm doing something else on my computer because it's other people that they aren't talking nitty-gritty. They're talking to

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this is what we're doing. Where are you? We are. So, anyhow. Okay. Um All right. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. Second motion to second. All in favor? >> I

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>> I We are adjourned at 138. Don't run off. There's so much pollen in the air.