Good afternoon everyone. This is the regular monthly meeting of the Dyton Storm Water Committee. It's Wednesday, June 17, 2026, and I'm calling the meeting to order at 1 12 p.m.
This is a public meeting being video and audio recorded for posting on YouTube. And now I will ask you to stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you call >> Mr. Ferry >> present. >> Mrs. Calonia >> here
>> present. We have a quorum. Has anybody heard from Dave Phillips? >> No. Um, hi Jesice. >> Hi Nancy and uh Jim, are you there? >> I am.
>> Okay. Um, so we have a contention today from Weston and Samson, but they'll be addressing two different issues. So, um, since we have a couple of items that I will ask Jim to comment on, I would like a motion to take agenda item 4F, Weston
and Samson, revisions to storm water and bylaw rigs out of order so Charice can uh join us and give us an update. So, I do have a motion. So, move. Is there a second? >> Second. >> A motion, a second. Any discussion? Hearing? None. All in favor? I
>> I. >> Okay. So, uh, all of you should have gotten a, uh, email from me over the weekend and attached to it was the forwarded report uh, reports updated uh,
information that Jerice has been working on. Uh, I know it's a lot to look at. uh both the storm water article and the uh revisions. But the one thing I would mention is
before you try to tackle those, the easiest thing to look at and I think is the easiest to understand, there was a memorandum dated September 16th that was reissued uh this month and in it there are uh annotations. There
are references specifically to sections of the bylaw and Jerice has also included reference where she has made uh changes or citations or whatever in the bylaw. Uh
this memo is 15 pages which I know is a lot to review but if you do it a bit at a time I think you'll be able to understand it. uh and it will help you as you go through the bylaw and the regs but really what's in this
memorandum is is best place to stop. So having said that Jerice would you like to give the committee an update on what you've done so far as far as uh the review and what you expect from the town being uh input and feedback uh and what
we're looking at as a timeline so that you're able to complete this. >> Yeah. No, absolutely. Um, so yeah, obviously like Nancy said, this has been something that we've been working on for a while now with the town. Um, and so after, you know, we had highlighted, you know, in that that initial kind of
regulatory review memo, we highlighted basically changes that need to be made in order for the regulations, the bylaw and regulations to become compliant with the MS4 permit requirements, regulatory requirements, which were due to be completed in permit year three, and it is now permit year 8. So, this is
something that the, you know, the town has been behind on. And I know Nancy, you've been in in contact with EPA on this. And I do, I do agree with you that I think because of that contact you've had, you've gotten a little bit more of a a little bit of a grace period on stuff. Um, because for other communities, you know, EPA has been scheduling meetings and issuing
administrative orders, requiring communities to comply by a certain date in terms of, you know, adopting the required updates. So, like I said, we had put that regulatory review memo together highlighting all of the required changes. Um, and we had went
forward and we updated the the bylaw and the rules and regulations. Um, and I know Nancy, I had provided those to you a while back. Um, with the so the annotated version so you could see all the track changes of the of what we were kind of modifications we were making. We did we did kind of shift some stuff around, kind of reorganize both of those
documents a little bit. um when if you look at those and track changes, there's a lot a lot going on. Um so Nancy had asked me to kind of streamline things and to produce the just kind of the the draft PDFs of those documents for review along with that, you know, annotated regulatory review memo that shows you
where we kind of address those items. So I mean, I guess as you as you go through and complete your review, it wouldn't hurt for you to, you know, kind of look side by side at the the original documents um you know, and compare a little bit. Um but again you can also use the regulatory review memo to see how we you know how we addressed each
item. I think one of the other things too Nancy that you had requested changes to related to the the threshold of disturbance that would trigger a permit and so and it more aligns with the actual MS4 permit with that 1acre threshold of disturbance. So you're increasing your threshold um for
requirements for you know um for permit reviews, storm water permit reviews um internally. So yeah, and I guess Nancy, just thinking about the overall kind of time frame kind of going forward. Um I know the goal has been to, you know, it would be great by the time that Nancy
files prepares the town's annual report to EPA that's due the end of September. Um the template was released this week. It's due September 29th. um you know and in that report it would be great to say that you know the bylaw rules and regs have been um you know adopted the
changes have been adopted um for compliance you know if that's feasible I mean I realize with the bylaw obviously you have to go through you know before town meeting for those modifications so that might be a more challenging it might be easier to um you know push forth with the rules and regs at this
point and a lot of the meat of the requirements is in the rules and rags versus the bylaw um so I I mean, I guess you could technically probably, you know, move forward with the rules and regs now and and address the bylaw later. I don't know if, you know, there's a a planned fall town meeting
where the bylaw could be added to that. >> Uh, yeah, we have a meeting, a fall town meeting to kind of wrap up the budget for FY27. And so, we're hoping that we will be able to present the bylaw at that town
meeting. >> Okay. uh we are obligated to have a public hearing on the bylaw prior to town meeting. The regulations require a public meeting, not a hearing. So, uh the ideal
thing would be to have a public hearing followed by the public meeting so that we could uh you know have the public act on it. Um obviously the goal is uh to get feedback
from planning and zoning and climate boards that I will say our work uh intersects with even though we we're not we're separate committees boards whatever uh but there is reference in the storm water regulations and bylaw
and so uh the response from the planning board has been good. Um, and uh, I'm hoping now with this summary that you've done, they will at least look at that and and get back to me with any comments they may have that relate to their
various boards. Uh, as I say, planning the response has been very good and I expect I'll be hearing from them shortly. And um the other thing I wanted to mention to everyone uh yes we increased the lots the area of
disturbance from 35,000 square feet to an acre which is the federal requirement and we had talked about doing this before until we know how the board of selectment is going to act on separating the storm water committee from the board
of health uh which has been requested. We have not made changes to this document. So if the selectment agreed to separate us and make us a standalone committee, every reference to board of health will be stricken and it will be
the con, excuse me, the storm water committee that will have the authority to do what is now listed under board of health. Um I have uh at the and I'll talk about this later. I did go to the planning
board meeting on May 20th and as I said uh we had some discussion there and that was very positive. So uh and and the planning board uh stated that they fully support separating the stormwater committee from the board of health. Uh
so that's a plus and um so as I say I'll talk more about that when I get to the report uh under 5A. Um, so I have actually gone through this and and I haven't made it all the way
through, but um there are uh recommendations in here that specifically address uh issues that we're having with the project on Elm Street where the property, excuse me, where the project
owner uh does not want to fund inspections. and we'll get to that when we talk about the uh items for E no C and D. Uh but the citations in here that are already
contained in the bylaw and regs certainly support the position that we have that we hand inspections and site visits to to show that there is compliance but also that uh on MS4 we
have to report number of site visits and certainly uh and inspections and uh so certainly anything uh that and Samson does relatives to site visits and inspections uh is something that falls
within the the reporting criteria. Uh so I don't think uh everyone un everyone when I say everyone I mean outside of the storm water committee I don't think people understand exactly what it is that's required. Uh, and I've
emphasized repeatedly that we report to the EPA. We don't report to any other town board, committee, commission, um, simply because EPA regulates storm water uh, in Massachusetts. So, uh, anyhow, that's where we are with
this. Does anyone have any questions of the uh, or about anything relative to the work? Uh, and I just want to mention again the work this is the project that's being funded under the APA grant money and we have a September deadline as far as paying our bills under that
grant. So, um, just it's just a reminder. All right, Tom. >> Good afternoon, Jice. >> So, sort of two questions. Um, I'll try try to ask it all in one. So, in reference to the square footage
disturbance, um, in in general, how do we compare with other towns? Are they smaller? They can't really increase that, right? Are we pretty much the same? And then the second part of that question is after reviewing us and putting up with us for
a little while, uh, how do you feel about are we in good standing? Are we in good direction? >> Yeah. So, good questions. Um, I was going to say I I would say that a lot of communities move forward with the the 1acre threshold, you know, what's required. I think a lot of communities
worry about if they lower that disturbance threshold, um, there's going to be a lot more, um, you know, manpower that's needed to help with with project reviews. And so, I think that's kind of the concern. Um, that said, we do have, um, a few communities that we work with that have very, very low thresholds. And
the reason is basically if they were to keep at that 1acre threshold, they wouldn't really there was there would really be no projects that would come before them because, you know, they're in heavily urbanized areas with like smaller lots and stuff and not a lot of maybe commercial industrial development.
So I think to for them, you know, to try to have more of an impact, you know, it made sense to kind of go with that that lower threshold. Um, but I'd say I'd say for the most part, communities are sticking to the to the 1acre threshold. Um, and I actually, if you're interested, I actually have a summary
table that we pulled together a while back, and it does list for various communities what their thresholds are set at, which I could certainly send you if you're if you're interested. I haven't looked at that in a while. It might need to be updated, but kind of just gives you some some guidelines. Um, but I would Yeah,
>> that's good ammunition because as this continues in the process, you never know what questions are going to come out. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, that would be an education part on our part. Yes. >> Yeah. And I mean, as far as overall compliance, I guess, um, you know, as
far as the regulatory piece, I I do think, you know, I think EPA is is probably, you know, issued probably administrative orders for a number of communities that haven't complied at this point. But I think, like I said, because he knows you're actively working on this. And they do think if if communities are getting close as well, they might, you know, be like, "All
right, we won't issue something, but please follow up and and provide those documents." So, and I do think, like I said, Nancy, I think you've been given a little bit of a grace period there because you've been, you know, in constant contact giving updates to the EPA about where things stand. So, I do think it would be great if we could get to the, you know, or get close to the
finish line by the time the new annual reports do. Um, I mean, as far as other permit requirements, I know you've been doing the best you can to allocate funds where you can, and we've been prioritizing um kind of moving compliance needs forward. Last week, we were out, you know, doing some additional mapping. we finish the dry
weather outfall screening um and advance the mapping further. So, we're going to kind of look at the budget, see if there's any more mapping we can do under that existing budget with the available funds. Um but yeah, so I think kind of chipping away at things, but I mean I guess that said to year 10 is is kind of
the end of the compliance time frame for a number of the requirements related to like the IDE efforts. So there's still a lot to be done related to like insystem catchment investigation work, wet weather outfall sampling where it's deemed necessary based on the permit requirements. So u and finishing
obviously the mapping and and you know other there's some other requirements too. So definitely keep pushing forward and and try to get funding where you can so we can keep kind of um hopefully chipping away and get closer to where you need to be by the end of permit year 10. But I but I'd also say for the most part, you know, it's a lot for any
community to undertake and funding is limited. So, I wouldn't say there's any community that's like, oh, 100% compliant on all items. You know, you know, depending on what they've had for funding. Some I'd say, you know, a lot of communities might be, you know, like 80 90% of the requirements, but then
there's definitely some that we work with that are, you know, very very far behind on on certain items and again, you know, trying to get funding to move things forward. So, um, >> thank you. >> Um, I just wanted to uh mention
something. Um the OPA grant not only is uh funding the revisions to the bylaw and the regs but it also provided for testing last year last reporting year uh outfall and mapping in that what Jerice
referred to which was done last week that's where it is not APA funded that's the $15,000 that's in the FY26 budget. So, we had that money in our budget and um the recommendation was do more
outfall uh testing, mapping, whatever. So, that was the crew that was around town last week and we will be getting information back so that when we submit our MS4, we'll have something to submit like we did last year. So, so um it's a
continuation of the work that started under ARA, but the funding for the work last week was actually from our budget. Um something that I did want to mention when Tom said about the um the one acre when we when we started this bylaw
originally we put in 5,000 square feet which pretty much is you can't even put in a septic system without that. And it it just for this town and the lot size requirements we went to that was one of the
amendments we made was to go to 35,000 square feet which is roughly a house lot. Um that doesn't have town water or and you have to put in your own septic. Um the reason we're looking now to go to an
acre is because uh it actually meets the federal requirement. I don't believe we could exceed one acre because we would be exceeding the federal limit. We can have more stringent regulations which is what the
35,000 square feet is but going to go to the 1 acre. But the other thing when you're reading through the memo that I'm talking about on page three, and I'm going to specifically cite this, this is uh this is a uh in Jerishes report excerpts from
Dayton's regulations that support storm water permit that support permit requirement. Um the town of Dyon stormwater bylaw and regulations approved at a special town meeting on November 2nd, 2009 state that quote, "No person may undertake a
construction activity, including clearing, grading, and excavation that results in a land disturbance that will disturb equal to or greater than 35,000 square feet of land or and the R is very important because it's also going to
apply when we go to an acre. or will disturb less than 35,000 square ft of land but is part of a larger common plan of development or sale that will ultimately disturb equal to or greater
than 35,000 square feet of land without a permit from the board of health it's designated unrest otherwise provided. So even by going to an acre assuming it gets approved um we could still get involved and say
time out this is what the provision in the bylaw in the regulation is so when you get to page three it's the very top item just read that carefully um these are the kind of things that uh I hope uh the
other boards committees commissions are going to look at because it's very clear it's very plain And um it talks about the zoning bylaws also in this but I just pointed that one out because
it is certainly important. Uh we have looked at other sites I'll call them that were less than 35,000 square feet but um let me say that in looking at them they didn't trigger
a full storm water review but again that's when we had a storm water agent and he could he would know about a project and he could go out and look at it and either say to us yeah they need a storm water permit or no I checked it out it's going to be okay. So that's
again that's a service we had that that uh um we don't have in-house anymore. We can certainly have that through Weston and Samson uh provided it's funded but um but that's a very important point even
increasing the size of the the uh disturbed area of disturbance. Um does anyone else have questions for Jerice? I'm >> Hi, I'm Lisa. Hi. I'm just curious um so compared to
like other communities our size um as well as Dton, are we kind of in line with them or are we kind of behind most of them >> in terms of just all over compliance or
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um it's funny. There's a few communities that I would would describe as, yeah, similar to Dyton that were very behind. Um, and then, you know, even hadn't submitted, you know, per se, like their annual reports. Um, and so they had gotten communication from EPA
saying, "Please submit your annual reports." And I think for a few of those communities, that kind of fueled um, you know, allocating more funds toward compliance. And so over the last several years, we've been working to really help them kind of catch up. Um and some of them had used ARPA funds as well um for that effort and had been able to put you
know kind of a substantial amount of money toward from ARPA toward that those efforts. So I think that's helped but um but I can think of another community that you know I'm working with right now to try to get the regs um in place and and they're a community that um did get an administrative order from EPA for not
filing past I think three annual reports and then also for the regulations and so we got the annual reports in and so we're still still trying to get to the finish line. they got the bylaw adop updated, but now we're trying to get the rules and regs in place. Um, but they haven't I I'll be honest, they haven't done much else outside of that. So, they
keep talking about trying to get more kind of funding in place. But I think and I do think that becomes challenging when you know you submit the annual report and then it's hard because there's a lot of stuff that we can't say, you know, was done during the permit year or hasn't been done to date. Um, and I do think, you know, I'm
hearing more. Um, one client that we work with recently got, um, contacted by EPA. They're getting audited this week for compliance. So, it's related specifically to there were a community that had to put together a phosphorus control plan, a requirement
that you don't you don't have um which is a very, you know, intensive comprehensive plan of how you're going to reduce phosphorus in the wershed and a lot of funds to kind of implement that plan. Um so, they're getting audited because just because EPA wants to review and we're meeting tomorrow to go over the plan and what they've been able to
do to date. Uh but the other piece is they they got um they're getting audited related to their SWIP inspe you know EPA's coming out um to do site inspections or came out earlier today to do site inspections of those facilities. So it does seem um that EPA is um you
know still still has staff available to kind of follow up and and they're looking to do more of these audits is what we're hearing. So, I guess that does put kind of the spotlight more on compliance and and the importance of of of compliance. I mean, I don't I don't think EPA and they've said this, they don't they're not really looking to find communities, right? They just want to
help communities get into compliance. Um, and sometimes for certain communities like an administrative order is almost like needed because, you know, it puts um just the emphasis and the importance on compliance, right? Because otherwise communities have so many competing, you know, financial needs that I think it gets gets overlooked and
maybe other people like you keep telling certain, you know, boards or entities. Oh, we really need funding for this. You know, there's fines, there's, you know, for compliance and, you know, but then something like this happens and it's like, okay, well, now we have an administrative order. I guess we better, you know, this is for real. Let's focus on getting some funds um to getting
ourselves in compliance. >> Yeah. And I, you know, in in working here, I mean, I can see, you know, we can have all the bylaws in the world, but if we don't have anyone enforcing and like actually, you know, going
through and making sure that and it just falls at the wayside. So, >> yeah. No, that's a >> that you guys are doing for for Dyon. And I mean, I see the importance of the storm water regulations, but it's hard
because we have to educate people around here to let them know why it's so important. There's multiple reasons. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. Public education is so important. It seems like you guys have been able to advance on that front a little bit. You know, I
feel like I've seen some of the >> Yeah, definitely. Um, and I will add that for that special town meeting in the fall, we are going back and asking again for at least the 20,000 that we asked for this year in
addition to the 15, but because of I mean those of you entered town meeting uh attended town meeting um we got the 15,000 in the FY27 budget. the extra 20 that we wanted to do more of the work the I'll call it the field work and the
technical stuff that was not included in the budget. So we'll be going back in the fall asking for that again. So uh right now we got 15,000 and if we can get an additional 20 uh if I can get an additional anything it's going to be a plus. But um anyhow that's where we are
with with our funding for FY27. So, and I think also the information that we have here and hopefully I can tell them watch the storm water meeting that's taking place and they can hear the information um and uh and we can get
some support. Uh uh hopefully when reach is certified uh we'll be able to do something with that. Um the uh the the the one thing I will say that reminded me when Jere talked about
helping people get their MS4 filed for the past few years they have actually they EPA has actually indicated how many reports have not been filed. And that always amazes me because
rather than not file a report, I mean, you need to at least you in general, you have to make an effort to file the report. If you don't file the MS4, to me, that's the red flag. So, um, as I
say, I was surprised and who hadn't filed. uh if you don't file uh and you know you're not going to make the deadline, juries do they are they like the IRS you can get an extension. >> So I think I think some people do
obviously submit their reports late which I think is fine. I think they take a while to kind of get download all the reports and kind of go through everything because there's obviously 250 communities in in Massachusetts alone and then they EPA retains primacy in New Hampshire as well. So, I think I think it takes a while and I think by the time they go through everything, it's like
several months later. So, I think you can get away with submitting your report a little. No, I wouldn't advise submitting a late, but I think you could you could submit it later and it's okay and they wouldn't you wouldn't hear from them right away. Um, you know, I think it's more like probably I'm trying to think when community started hearing
maybe like in the early, you know, spring or or winter time probably, you know, once they go through things and realize that there are some some that are missing. I just I just wondered um no we got fined in 2006 um when I came on board in 2007
hopefully I said never again not while I'm here so uh we've always met the deadline but but as I said for the past few years I have seen uh information that x number of reports have not been filed and I was just surprised I mean uh
but in any case >> does anyone else have anything for jerice You have anything for us, Theres? All set. >> I just I just have one question too about the schedule overall. >> Go ahead. >> So, when is the fall town meeting?
>> Not set yet. >> Okay. Um, so you said a public um hearing before fall town meeting. Is that like 30 days before town meeting or more or is there a set >> to see what the regulations are? But it
has to be posted in the local newspaper. Not that everybody reads the paper, but it has to be posted in the newspaper and it has to be posted in the town so forth and so on. >> That's only for the bylaw. >> Okay. regulations. We can schedule a we
usually do them together because it's easier to just have one night, two meetings, get the act on the bylaw, which is uh the hearing, and then go to the uh public meeting as opposed to the public hearing. Um but uh
we I think we had I think we we had the initial meetings in 200 I think it was the end of seven or beginning of eight because we had the deadline to get it done or get fined again by March of 2007
no 2008. Um and we got it done and then we decided that we needed amendments. Um and the amend amendments were to go to 35,000 square ft and to define um retention, detention and infiltrate
infiltration basins and put them right into it. So because there was always uh a question um technical uh that what we said was a detention basin, oh no, it's a retention basis. So we finally get
sick of those arguments and just spelled it out in there. And I think the planning board adopted those those same definitions. Um but there wasn't um there wasn't opposition. I mean we had the hearing, we got it done. We got to town meeting
and um got the changes made. So, um I I I don't think the other thing too is um uh when I send my next update to Luke Tedar, I'll tell them where we are and
that we're hoping to excuse me go to the fall town meeting with the bylaw changes and um you know hopefully uh I find that in dealing with Newton Tedar at the EPA as long as sees you're making
attempts and you're making progress. He's not going to lower the boom on you. And I think we have a a an honest relationship with the EPA that says, "No, we haven't done everything. We got this done. We did part of that, but when we moved on to
tackle another area that was it was more feasible to do at the time, whether it was financial or operational." And um so he knows we're not stalling. uh that what we're doing is is based on what we can afford to do, what we have
people to do, the urgency of what it is we're trying to get done. So, um but but again, um I try to send them an email every now and then and just tell them what's happening in Dyke. So, >> yeah. No, I agree, Nancy. Honesty is the
best policy. So, we always say, you know, when filling out the annual report, be Yeah. Completely transparent and honest. Definitely. Okay. So, as soon as we know a town meeting date in the fall, we'll let you know. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> But, um, what now the work that's been
done, how long does it take for the men, uh, the crew, I should say, to put their findings in writing in a form that we can send to the EPA. >> Yeah. So, we're working so to update the mapping based on the new information that was collected. Um, and then we were
going to develop like a memorandum to kind of accompany the mapping. So, I would think we'd have that done by July, end of July. >> That's fine. That's fine. >> Okay. >> I was shocked to find the MS4 in the mail yesterday. It usually come the beginning of September and then
>> it's like, oh, crisis time. Now we get it. It's due the end of the month. It would have been so much better to get it early. So, um I uh and much to my surprise, I was able to click on it and open it from the email, which I haven't
been able to do in the past. So, uh I I I actually printed one because I use a working copy that's written and I make sure I got everything in that report in my handwritten before I put it in the computer because when it goes in the computer, I'm ready to send it. But I
have to talk to different people in different committees and ask them different things. So I use my paper copy uh as my working draft. So I'm I'm ready to stop. Mr. Ferry, he's shaking his head.
So uh you have anything else, Sherice? >> No, that's it. I don't think anything else on my end. >> Okay. Thank you very much for coming. >> Yeah. No, thanks for thanks for everyone's time. I appreciate it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, um
agenda item 4. Um does anyone excuse me, anything to report on the homes on Wharton Street? I was by there maybe it was three weeks ago. Um everything was looking good. Uh, I
didn't have anything there. Um, Jim Ren, are you there? >> I am. >> Uh, have you have have you been out to that initial visit? I think that James Pearson went out. Um, >> yeah. >> Anything new?
>> Nothing. Nothing new on Horton Street. Um, as I think, you know, when James went out there, he felt like it looked pretty good for soil erosion and sediment control. Um, and then we we put that review letter together for you. Uh,
got delayed a little bit, but we sent it to you. Uh, May 20th. You got we you got that. Okay. Right, Nancy? >> Yep. >> I was by there last week. >> Yeah. >> Professional. Very nice. >> Oh, good. Um, yeah. And and um
he is very um he Mr. a little while ago is very responsive. As a matter of fact, um I got to get in touch with him and ask his have his engineer uh submit a storm water pollution
prevention plan uh which we'll have and certainly share with Clinton, but it's a requirement. So >> Jim, they haven't submitted a SWIP at all. Um so we don't know who's inspecting how if they're inspecting the
um erosion controls or anything over there. So >> uh yep. So we're kind of in holding pattern in other words. >> Well, we haven't put it on hold but um but yeah, we expected that to be
forthcoming based on the storm water permit and it >> Yeah, >> I don't know if it was overlooked. >> I don't know. But um I will get in touch with Frank Bongo and let everybody know uh if it's there and they haven't submitted it or they're in the process
of putting it together and we'll have it by a certain date. Um okay. Could I get a motion to take agenda item C D.
In other words, I'm going to skip B at this point to take agenda items for C, D, and E uh out of order. >> So moved. >> Second. Have a motion. Second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I. Okay. So 20 floor C is 2231 L Street, building one update. This is the even storage facility on uh Richmond Hill. Uh and
4 D is building two update. Before I um ask Jim Reen to to uh comment on any of this. I received first an email which I didn't get in
time um just prior to the May 17th meeting and it was followed up with a letter on May 19th from Michael P. Oessy. He's the attorney representing uh
Mr. Eman. Um, it's addressed to the town of Dyon storm water committee to my attention. Uh, 2231 Elm Street assesses map 20, plot 84, lot 4.
Uh, I'll just read this and then I'll comment on it. Tim, Gulap, this office represents Zero Elm Street LLC. Uh, it is my understanding that the town of Dyon
storm water committee is requesting that in the abbreviated ZES LLC deposit $10,300 for inspections of sediment and erosion control measures based on a Weston and Samson letter dated January 6, 2026.
Please be advised that the DCS I think it's supposed to be DSC. Anyhow, stormwater committee. Please be advised that the stormwater committee cannot require ZES LLC to pay for these inspections based upon my reading of the town of Dyton stormwater rules and
regulations November 2nd, 2009 bylaw. The bylaw states that the board of health shall implement and administer the rules in regulations formulated of the provisions of the stormwater bylaw. The board of health may appoint an employee agent board or
commission as designated to carry out in part or in total specific duties is provided for this bylaw. As an initial matter, I am unaware of any appointment of the he keeps saying DCS. I it's it's
actually D uh SWC by the board of health to carry out the duties of the board of health under the bylaw with respect to 2231 Elm Street. The board of health inspections required under the bylaw are as follows. Erosion
and sediment control measures are in place and stabilized. Berry inspection to ensure bury inspection to ensure erosion control practices are in accord with the filed plan. Site clearing has
been substantially completed. Rough grading has been substantially completed. Under the bylaw, the board of health certainly has the right to inspect erosion and control measures. However, the board of health does not have the authority to require ZES pay for a third
party to undertake these inspections. Moreover, there is nothing in the bylaw that allows that storm water committee to require payment for these inspections. Instead, the bylaw under the section entitled inspection and site supervision says permitted inspections.
The permite or his or her agent shall conduct and document inspections of all control measures no less than weekly or as specified in the permit and prior to and following anticipated storm events. The purpose of such inspection will be
to determine the overall effectiveness effectiveness of the control plan and the need for maintenance of additional control measures. The permit or his or her agent shall submit monthly reports to the board of health or its design in
a format approved by the board of health. It is my understanding that these reports have been submitted by ZES to the board of health or its designate as part of the uh SWWP. I think that means he SWPP.
Yeah. Process by MLB land development and permitting cooperation. Given that MDL is complying with the reporting requirements and there are no provisions within the bylaw requiring ZES LLC to pay additional fees of inspection of its
erosion and sediment control sedimentation control measures, I would respectfully request that the D Storm water committee take this item off the agenda. Needless to say, it was on the May agenda. Should you have any questions or comments, please do not
hesitate to contact me. Well, obviously when I got this and read it, I realized that the selective parts of the bylaw he took are not interpreted correctly. The fact that he cites in several places the
board of health are its designate. Well, historically speaking, the board of health in 2018 asked the board of selectment to create the storm water committee because the board of health had too much work and
could not deal with everything storm water. And you got to remember that's the time when we was getting applications for solar farms. And so the board of health asked the selectman to create the committee which
in effect the selectman did and that's what created the designate. So to say that the storm water committee has no authority like I say I looked at this I had too much stuff that was more pressing and I haven't responded to it.
I will respond after today's meeting and suggest they listen to this um or watch this video. Uh but uh comments, questions? >> Yes. >> One, this is up loud enough.
>> One, this is a legal matter. Two, it is I have become aware that several boards committee members have unofficially made comments to Mr. Eman that have
complicated this matter. Since the storm water committee does not have a budget for legal, I would respectfully request storm water reach out to the board of
selectment and ask that town council send a letter to Mr. Eman either supporting his claim or refuting his claim. This has gotten one, stormwater doesn't have,
correct me if I'm wrong, any real power to enforce this man to pay. And secondly, there have been other boys who have muddled the water, which could turn this into a very expensive legal
matter if Mr. Dean so chooses to take it in that direction. >> Okay. And my response to that is before I ask for town council to get involved, I think the stormwater committee through me will send a letter to attorney uh
Shaughnessy and advise him without going into a lot of detail that the citations in this letter are not in fact proper um interpretation of those sections.
I'm not going to get into an argumentative situation with him. I feel that based on the storm water rules and regs, the procedures we've followed, the succession of I'll call it transfer of power up to the
point that now the board of health is saying, "Yeah, they should be on their own and planning supports that and we're waiting for a decision." I think that in itself is enough information. I will also state
that the gentleman who owns this project had gone into town hall uh and was very let's say loud and um threatened legal action.
Well, having served in some office in this town since 2000, and I've lost track, two, the threats of legal action, I I would run out of paper listing them all. Um, the threats of legal action are going to
cost him money. He's going to spend more on that and find out. I believe we are in a strong position. uh I know some of the comments that were told to him that are incorrect. I intend to speak to the individuals that spoke
to him and ask them to please get in touch with him citing especially the document that we had that summarizes exactly what these the bylaw says. Okay, this is from an outside engineering firm
that is hired by the town. Um it is very succinct and very clear in here what the authorities as far as requiring the project owner to pay for outside engineering.
This is the first project Ola that's injected and it we've had to do this since we no longer have a qualified person to act as a storm water agent who was a PE. So we hired an engineering
firm and we have pees doing this work. Uh the there is a history with this project. Uh they were not happy when they were told you need a storm water permit. Uh that turned into a brewhaha
right in this room. But they did get a storm water permit and the entire site was permitted. We didn't just permit one building. It's one tract of land. And based on the information that was provided to the building
commissioner and the board of health, there was a permit fee. We have not charged him any more permit fees. But to that was $3,200 and change which is based on $250 initial a base fee and 5
cents per square foot after that. Needless to say, you got a bargain because they've disturbed more than what is in that permit. But the permit was issued on the entire site based on the information that was provided. So uh to
now object to doing what has to be done. Yes, we get the reports uh pretty weekly with photographs of the site sites and we have communication but none of
those reports or inspections or results have been verified. I'll use that term verified by the town engineer which would have occurred if we had the storm water agent. Therefore, we have
not changed anything except that we no longer have the position. We don't have we no longer have the funding. So, funding for this work has to be done uh at the expense of the property uh project owner a property owner. In the
case of the uh project on Horton Street that we discussed earlier, this this private citizen three family homes. This is not a development. This is not a family with two children who are
obviously adults are building three homes. The cost for engineering services for that uh project came in at around I think it was like $9610. The gentleman saw the what was proposed, looked at everything, understood what
was going to be done, understood what was required by his engineers and which he is totally responsible for. Said okay, wrote the check. three individual private homes, not a
business. So, to me, the fee of 10,300 uh is not out of line. We're talking about industrial facilities, commercial facilities. They're not private homes. The terrain and the conditions at the
site are certainly not what the site is on Horton Street. Um but um I I understand your concern, Lenny, but uh and it may turn into a legal booha, but um
I'm not threatened by letters from lawyers. Um, I feel that we have uh in place and we have a history of treating people fairly, following the regs,
sharing information. As a matter of fact, the fact that Weston and Samson has looked at site one and has been involved with site one after our stormwater agent left. They know the area. They know what's
there. The work that needs to be done at building site two. They're not green tooth. If they had if they had never seen one or been involved with one and got there at two, I personally believe the the cost for the work would be much
higher than 10,300. But but the fact of the matter is we have a history with building site one. we get the funding to do this work, the engineers or engineer going out there to
take a look, they're not going out totally green. Um they're familiar with the area. Um so uh in any case, um I will I will speak to at least two
individuals uh ask them to watch this meeting. Um, I've I've read the letter publicly. Um, if this would go into litigation, obviously this would not be public, but
I want people to understand uh what it is Strongwater is committee is responsible for and what we are required to do under the bylaw and ranks. uh if I quite
frankly um to request uh that this not be on on on the May agenda, which I said was too late. Uh absolutely not. Absolutely not. I will not leave things off the agenda based on
something that I personally consider has no merit and is not based on fact. Now I will prepare a response to that attorney and I will copy the appropriate people including this committee. >> If he still refuses who was the
enforcement us the following the project doesn't continue. Well, that's another thing. It's clear in the bylaw regs the package. I'll call that a package. What we have to follow the stormwater committee has the power
to issue a stop work order. All right. Now, needless to say, that's going to be loud. Not from us. It'll be loud from the recipient. But we also have a history
in working with Hong Kong on the largest soul farm in this town. One week, one week after they started, we shut them down. And it was a it was a joint order from both Concom and Storm
Water because what they were doing violated everything. Okay? We shut them down. stop work. They were told what they had to do. So, they had to hire a wetland scientist who stayed on the project till
it ended years later. Um, they had to develop a restoration plan for all the damage they did. They had and there were regular inspections by stormwater and con
um and they complied and once they complied and they had developed a restoration plan and um for what they say what they destroyed um they started up again once everything
that was required to fix what they ruined and that was agreed to by storm in concom um and that project continued. >> If you issued the order, where would the money come for the legal on that?
>> First of all, uh it would be a vote of the committee or if it were an emergency, um I would tell them to shut it down, which would really tick people off. But the fact of the matter is in the case of the solar farm,
that was an immediate order. I didn't schedule a meeting. I didn't I got the call. We got major problems up there and we did a we stormwater agent concom and I went there and pointed out the damages and the
storm water agent said what do you ought to do? I said we got to stop this right now. Issue a stop work order and concom this has got to stop. uh in this particular case if the attitude is you can't tell us and you can't make us do this that's a
different ballgame okay but um in the past stormwater committee I remember issuing a uh stop work order for an ille illegal drainage system uh that was put
in at a business uh and I should say attempted to be put in at a business and um prepared a letter and sent it to them and they didn't stop. So then the letter was printed and I got a police escort to
take me out to the site, go out there and deliver it in hand and and say you will stop and you will take that down. Um they weren't happy. Uh but they did it. Um although the storm water committee is
charged with with everything storm water we represent the town of Dyon. If the storm water committee deems that this has to be done because there are violations or they're not following what the bylaw says and
whether it's another board in town we're appointed by the board of selectments so it would have to be the board of select if they say no we're not going to enforce it then just I'll just notify the EPA this is not something we're doing to be
vindictive or anything And if that's >> but I'm not ready to jump and say we need legal. No. Um I'm as an assessor I'm dealing with another situation.
Um not storm water related but um eventually that may become a legal issue. My personal opinion is this isn't worth it. We've got other options. Um but I sent him what I thought. But I
will refer to some of this information we discussed today when I respond to this letter. But again, if somebody says to me, "Oh, you can't take that off the agenda. You can't discuss it. Time out." Wait a minute. No. >> This the other thing I would point out
is if I really consider this a legal matter. We would not be discussing it in open session. At the point of me reading this letter, it's historical because they were talking about the last meeting. The issue before us is we need engineering
services. The town's position is on all of the boards that need engineering services. Those services are paid for whoever owns the project or the whatever.
And to deny that in this particular case uh is certainly questionable. So I have to rely on and I am relying on the strength of the bylaw that's in place
and the board is selecting to act in the best interest of the town which would support what we're asking for. I don't know of any project where they have been the project owner has
been contacted about engineering fees that have they've refused to pay. This is the first one as far as I know. But um I I'm I'm glad you brought the point up, Lenny, but um I feel that the sawmod
committee is acting responsibly. Um we don't ask for duplication of work and which we were accused of with the first building uh and then charging the property owner for the same information. We don't do that. We share information
and quite frankly in this particular case on building two had the request that was made for engineering services included a clause that said not only what the planning board needed but also storm water
requirements put in a package it would have all been funded as one. It wasn't put in the planning board package this time. So the work has to be done. It's not like this is something new we're taking out of the air. But in any case,
um, does anyone else have any questions relative to that situation? Because I still want to ask Jim Riden to just give us any information if he has anything new. >> No, I agree. Send a letter first of the story so we're clear on what's expected of him and then go from there.
>> Yeah. I I really think in dealing with situations like this, uh, a letter from an attorney doesn't mean, oh, we're we're in in big trouble. No, I honestly feel as we've done with other developments, even one in the city of Toronto, try to resolve it at the storm water
level, uh, and not have to go higher and further and get into legal issues. But, um, anyhow, uh, Jim Re, do you have anything to report on, uh, buildings one or two on Elm Street? You know, I think the the last thing that we have, Nancy,
is the proposal that we sent you in in February on February 11th. And I know that you advised us relatively recently that um the applicant said that they weren't going to fund it.
Uh so uh I am going to pursue funding um through um let me say appropriate town officials. Uh, I'm going to ask them, would you please contact the gentleman and tell him that the information he
provided is incorrect and that based on the bylaw and the history of the town uh hiring outside engineers to do all the town engineering that this work has to be done and it has to be funded by
the project owner because if not there will be sanctions improve. Uh uh all I can say is uh only had to do it twice. Uh but the last one, largest um
solar farm in the in the town and that one came to a screeching halt and it was several months before they were allowed to get up and running because it took so long to take care of repairing what was destroyed. Um
anyhow, let's see. Um, Jim, have you heard anything on uh this is agenda item 4. MAS MACS Arujo Solo Farm update. I did get a an email from Glenn Golden. I get them reg
regularly and he keeps asking me to give them permission to go out there and do what they want to do. And my standard response to him is the stormwater proposal for testing is on hold because you haven't responded to
the planning board. You've got to respond to the planning board's concerns first. Um, if you provide the funding for whatever planning board may need and Weston and
Samson looks at all of this and can determine that the information provided addresses also the storm water issues, then we're good to go. But until they deal with planning, uh, I don't see
storm water moving ahead with this. So, have you heard anything, uh, Jim? >> No, I'm uh I'm afraid I haven't heard anything on that one either. Uh, they did send I think um and it was a while ago um that they had sent an updated uh
version of the plans. So, there was an updated version of the plan set. We provided a proposal to review that. Um, and uh, I think it was $2,300 or something something in that neighborhood. Um, we did that a while
ago. Uh, and we haven't heard anything back since then. >> Well, and I think the only thing that happened since I went to the planning board meeting on May 20th, um, they actually sent a check to the town but mailed it to me. It was $320 and change
and it was owed on a previous proposal. >> Yeah. >> And so the what they sent back to you and what they need to pay to the town so you can do the review work and let us know that's
hanging. And because they haven't responded to that, the storm water proposal that we asked you to prepare is also on hold because it they've got to be sequential and without we can't ask you to go out there and do all this work even if they funded it
when the planning board has something that's let's say ahead of our proposal. So when I hear from Glenn again, I'll just tell him the same thing. You you've got to get this resolved. send that money to the planning board and let
Weston and Samson do that work. Then I'll know whether or not we need West and Samson to do the storm water in addition to that. But uh that's where we are with that. So
um does anybody have any questions of Jim Re? >> Okay, Jim. So, uh, that's where we are with all these projects. So, uh, we'll stay in touch, let you know what's happening. >> Okay. Thank you, Nancy. And, uh, thank
you all. Appreciate the opportunity to see you >> and work with you on this. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, what's planning meeting again? Does anybody know? >> July. Oh, it's in July. Okay. Oh, that's Car's on vacation, I think. Well,
whatever. Okay. Uh I'll I'll check with Jeff when I get in touch with him about the uh report from uh the draft report from Theres. Um okay. So the five the new business that's the report on the meeting with
the planning board on May 20th. Um so the flowchart that we've been working on that's still on hold. Uh we may be meeting with the planning board in July to go over it. Um,
I explained to the planning board what the board of health had agreed to do, which is they requested in writing to separate the stormwater committee from the board of health. And um one of the things that we talked about was
there is a waiver that's contained in the bylaws that deals with underground uh storm water disposal systems. And the reason why there has to be a waiver on that that was a border health regulation
that was put in effect before 2007 when I came on the board of health. And the reason that was done was because at the time that was when um West Nile virus
and uh triple E uh were very uh prevalent or in the news, let me put it that way. And the board of selected who was the board of health felt that they did not want standing water which would encourage increase the
growth of mosquitoes which would be a potential health hazard to the town. So they wanted all storm water runoff and all that kind of stuff put underground. Well, when I got on the board in 2007, board of select and border health and
started working on storm water, I had said you you can't have underground disposal. How are we supposed to inspect it? We have to be aware of and inspect for elicit discharges. Well, if everything's underground, how are we going to know what's in it? And it is
better to design above ground systems that do not have standing water per se. Uh which led to the initial bylaw rigs and then uh the amendment to define
exactly what uh infiltration detention and retention basins were based on EPA definitions. We put that in there so that we would stop having arguments from uh proponents and engineers. Oh, that's
not what it is. It's a this or that. And it was like indictment. This is the definition. This is what you'll comply with, which as I said came from the EPA uh information. Anyhow, because that bylaw is still in effect,
um planning can do all their stuff and we've done some waiverss, but that's a waiver that has to go to the board of health. So, I said to uh Jeff Cavalo at this meeting, Jeff, definitely we need to have that regulation
uh incorporated in stalwart, but probably um too. and he cited he says this is I says yeah uh we don't want to have to have proponents of projects to go for that
waiver because it it it it's in violation of the storm water thing you can't inspect underground systems you have no I way of knowing what's going into them um hopefully it's all clean water but every time a project comes up
board health has to vote to wave that requirement so we need to get it wherever it's referenced in in bylaws and regs, we need to get that above ground uh information in there and clarify. So, uh from my impression of talking to him, that's he was certainly
agreeable to that. Um the discussion that uh we just had with uh Jim uh Ren uh again the sequence is uh I told him our proposal for inspections at MACS Solivan it that's on
hold until they fund the money for West Samson to review the plans they submitted. Once we know with the response in that review, we'll know whether or not to move forward with the storm water request or continue to put
it on hold because there were still issues that Western and Samson has on the planning board side. So that's where we are with that. um uh the first set of materials that came out
from Western Samson with all the red colors and all this other stuff. I sent that out to uh Jeff and he looked at it and so did Dan Higgins when he was on storm water and they both responded to me on that uh with some good information which I forwarded to Theres and she has
incorporated in what is in this um memo that I referred to earlier uh in the meeting. So, um I I think uh I think planning board has a a
has a better perspective on what storm water has to do and and the emphasis on has to do. We're not sitting around making this stuff up. This is right from EPA regulation. So, um I think I think that's I explained to him uh storm water
and clon have been working together for a while because quite often if one has a problem it actually involves the other one. So, we determine depending on how bad it is who takes the lead, but it doesn't mean the other one doesn't do anything. We're in this
together, so to speak. And both of the the things we have to follow, the rules, the laws are EPA regulations. They're federal regulations. So, Yes, we are on that. Um
unanticipated items. Yes. >> Sorry. Uh you did skip over 4B, the calendar update. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, that's important. Agenda item 4B. This is the calendars. So,
um I have contacted BP the department several times. I contacted the person at the school who's in charge of all projects. and asked for a an estimate so we can encumber money out of the current budget. I still haven't uh received a
reply. Therefore, I would like the uh a motion for me to send a letter to the town accountant asking her to encumber, we'll fill in the dollars after we discuss this, an amount of money to pay for the
2027 storm water calendar. So, so first could I have a motion to send the letter and a second and then we'll have discussion. A motion to send a letter to encumber the money. What are you shaking your head for? >> That's a negative uh two and change 20
and change. How much do we have? So we usually take it out of communications. >> They also have an invoice here. Heather hasn't seen yet the excess of $20,000. >> So we usually take it out of
communications. >> So take it out the number. So, is that coming out of communications, the invoice you're talking about? >> No. >> But it's coming out of the budget in total. >> Yes. >> Is that budget is that expense going to
wipe out what is in the budget? It's no he's um he's like 36,000 in and collectively he's like 36,000 like in personnel that we're not going to expand >> which would mean we'd have to request a
transfer. >> You're getting that on the the main street though, right? Weekly takes three weeks that main streets come out of 432, right? Okay. So,
is the we need to we need a motion and a second to discuss this. So, I need a motion to send a letter to the town accountant regarding encumbering funds for the 2027 calendar. So, move
>> second. We have a motion and a second. Discussion. Okay. Since the communication budget right now is is short $20 and some dollars, that means there's going to have to be a a a transfer or whatever. They won't they
won't make you transfer within your own budget. >> Yeah, within their own budget. Yeah. We don't need to go through finance. >> Oh, right. Okay. The total budget right now, the balance in the total budget, is there sufficient money to
operate the regular expenses, payroll, whatever through June 30th, pay whatever invoices you have. And since there's still money left that we could encumber an amount for calendars, >> we should. >> Okay. So,
>> and that 432 is also going to have to cover 422 >> to finish the year. >> Okay. So, um I didn't write the number down what we paid for calendars. >> Uh it should be on there. It's 1,749.
>> I know it was 1700 and something. So what we did last year the the 20 25 calendar we bought 650 but for the 26
calendar we reduced it to 600. Um because obviously we were cutting expenses in anticipation of not having enough money. Um and um yeah, 17 $1,731.75
cents. That's what we paid for 600 calendars last year. Now, every year it goes up because of paper and chemicals and um those are supplies.
um ink obviously, but there is another charge that varies and it's disposal of hazardous waste and we're never sure where that's going to come in. It's like it's like dealing with disposal of waste in the town. It's your best guess. So
what I'm looking at as potential encumbrance 1731 um if we go to 2000 or should we go higher than that the number I'm going to put in the letter unless I get I'm going to
write the letter to the town accountant. I want to give her a reasonable estimate. If I get a better estimate before June 30th, I will certainly go to her and say, "It's hopefully less money or it's more money, but we need to do this, but I'll have something in
writing." Um, I had hoped to start this calendar thing in April, at least get all the pictures together and go there, and they didn't even respond to that. I'm sure they were up to here with year end stuff and graduations and all that other good stuff. Um, what do you think is a
reasonable amount to put in the letter? Know if we spent 1,700 and change and we do given a best guess as 600 uh calendars, which by the way, if in
fact the cost is too high, we'll have to reduce it further. But I got to have something to put in the letter. I got to have something on file before June 30th because I don't want to lose it. Did you go through all 600 you gave them out? >> Oh yeah. As I was anyone got one because
Glenn No, not not Glenn. Sean at Hunters Hill would like to get a copy because I'll tell you about that, too. Um I just saw one. There was one Oh, downstairs at the border house >> on the counter. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. I told him if I could get one, I'd give it to him. Um so anyhow, what's a reasonable number? 2,00 >> 2,000 >> I said 2100 >> okay >> wait yeah because
>> uh 2,000 is not even a $300 increase. >> Okay. So, uh, what's the feeling in the letter I asked to set aside 2100? >> That's fine. >> With the understanding that if I get something in writing, I will be in there
with it. So, it that number can be changed, hopefully reduced. If I get a number that's much higher, um I may be saying, uh it's going to cost this and therefore we
either we take that money out of this year's budget or if the town says you can't do that. Uh when I say this year, I mean the coming year. Uh I I really don't want to do that. We may be looking at a decrease in calendars, but for
right now, 600 calendars and $2,100. Is this what you're suggesting? I put Mleta. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'll second that. >> Well, second. This is discussion. >> Yeah. You didn't plug the number in
initially, but that can transfer $2,100 600. I can't hold this. um Encumber 2100 from six budget.
Okay. So, um so the motion was for me to send the letter. So now we should amend the motion to state uh send a letter to the town of county requesting that $2100
from the FY26 budget to pay for 600 calendars uh being be in effect incumbent from that budget. So that's an amendment. I need a motion on the amendment which means that's what the letter is going to
say. So, is there a motion and a second on the amendment which plugs the numbers in? >> I will make a motion to amend to $2100 >> for 600 calories. >> For 600 calories. >> Okay. Second. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second. Any
discussion? Hearing none. Uh, vote on the amendment. Uh, all in favor? I I uh vote on the original motion as amended. >> So moved. >> No, no, just this is a vote. I need a vote on the original amendment. Original
motion as amended. >> I >> I >> Okay, so that's unanimous. And um I'm looking at Heather. By the way, I I should have done this sooner. Heather is moving on to green pastures.
Oh >> yeah, I was going to bring that up, but you would get >> that's a matter of opinion. Okay, >> unanticipated. >> So, I don't know. Garage store. >> Sitting next sitting next to
uh Heather is Melanie Silva and she will be leaving the board of assessor's office and she will be in the highway department office. So, uh Mr. ferry makes out no matter how this comes out because uh Heather will be going to the sewer commission. >> Oh,
>> and Melanie will be going to the highway department. So, um I'll talk to you about that later. >> I should have introduced you at the beginning. >> It's okay. I'm just >> um there are six number
any any unanticipated items? I guess introducing who's coming and who's going. That was unanticipated. So that's a personnel change. >> And next time they're going to do Zoom. >> I don't want to mess around with that
computer again. >> Any public input? You don't have any public. >> She doesn't show up. >> Correspondence. Uh the only thing I will have for correspondence is uh the letter I read earlier from uh attorney
Oshanaughy and uh Heather I will get you a copy of that because it has to be listed under documents because I referenced it here uh and so uh Melody when minutes are
written you may have seen this in assessor's office after they're signed down the bottom it says docu documents. Any documents you discuss during a meeting are supposed to be mentioned. So the the letter that I read, this will be
referenced down the bottom, but it's it again uh Heather knows about the documents. It's just part of the read. Don't be concerned about it. It'll be there. Uh expenditures this month, office supplies $2.13.
And that's a budget, gas and diesel fuel, which is wax, $48,3.77. That's it. Okay. Um, so when you just list those in the
minutes and expenditures. Uh, okay. Um, is there a motion to approve the minutes of May 17th? >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of May 17, 2026. >> Second.
>> Any discussion of the minutes? Hearing none. All in favor? I >> I >> Oh, next meeting. July 15th is the nominal meeting. I'm requesting uh that we change the date to July se 22nd.
>> Sounds good. >> Nope. >> Mr. Ferry, do you wish to comment other than shaking your head? >> I I already have a committee that day. >> The 15th of the 22nd. >> 22nd. Um,
is this another study? >> Yep. Storm water. >> Well, the 15th. I've got I've got a study, too. >> 11:00 a.m. Normally, they're night games, but there's actually going to be one at 11:00 a.m. on the 15th. And I've never
never been to it. I don't understand. >> Outside of um Elm Street, we probably could consider skipping that month >> or the seventh. Could we meet July 8th? >> Um,
>> I don't expect to get a response to that quick though from Elm Street. >> Oh, I I'm I'm sure I'll hear from somebody, but it's not something I'd call a meeting about. >> July. >> What about July 29th?
>> Nope. >> So, >> wait a minute. No, it's June 29th state. >> What? >> Hang on a second. >> He's off by month. >> The month. >> He was confused. June and July. I
>> first class the 29th of June. >> Yeah. July 29th is okay. You're getting closer the following month though. >> That's what I'm thinking. You just just skip that one month. >> Well, I want to set a date. I can always cancel it, >> right?
>> Like you know how we say we get we're in November, we're looking at December and we say are we gonna meet in December and or it seems to me we've skipped July sometimes but I think we need to set the date in case something comes up and then
if not uh we can cancel the meeting and uh do August. All right. >> What about July 21st? to Tuesday if the room's available. >> Tuesday. >> Yeah.
>> The day before the 22nd. >> I'm living on a wild side. I hate this. >> What about your work schedule? Well, that's why I'm waiting. I can I get enough as long as I have a couple weeks notice. Okay. Put in time. 21st will work. 22nd I go. It gives me
plenty of time to put in request be okay. >> July 21st. >> Fine with me. >> Okay. So, could I get a motion to change the meeting date in July to Tuesday,
July 21st? So moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? >> Um I will still look at this and see I'll
be in touch with you, Tom, and say this is what I got. What do you think? We we still may um we still may cancel it. So, Heather, um, and Melanie, I need you to post a meeting of the
stormwater committee for Tuesday, July 21st, and somewhere on it at the top, put please note change in date and day. And then put down
agenda item. agenda items revised agenda will be submitted. But I want people to know ahead of time that the date and time date and um day are changing. Okay? And then when
you post that and share just want people to know ahead of time this is a change. It's not going to be the third Wednesday. and we will have a regular agenda, but there's also a question where it's possible this gets cancelled, but for right now, we want the public to know.
>> So, it would just be a blank pretty much. >> Yeah. If if you um take the top of the word and then put down uh please note meaning day and date change. All right.
And then list that noon date and then put under it, use big big letters. It says uh complete agenda to follow. It should be all right because I don't sort this meeting. They post an agenda
and then they post another one. So, uh my my main point is changing the date and and the day. Um but yeah, just just something simple. Um, um, before we adjourn,
um, there was something that was mentioned earlier that I said I would speak to. I'm trying to remember what it was. Um I >> is it uh the three houses?
>> No. >> No. >> I think we were talking about the planning board meeting um and something came to mind and um not coming to the house. But in any case, let me just take a quick look at
all this good stuff I got for you. What was this calendar? Oh, I know what it is. Yeah, the calendar. Not really the calendar. Um Sean Actton, is that his name? Sean
Actton is the superintendent uh site superintendent at Hunters Hill and he sends uh weekly reports and um I get copied on them. And so the there's a written report and there's photographs.
So, I said to him after I I talked to him, I didn't have any questions about the report or anything, but there was a photograph that he submitted that I said to him, "Would you give us
permission to put this in the calendar?" So, that's what I said. I've got a new picture. Um, and it's uh it's a site up there. Um, and other than Hunter Hill, I'm not going to identify where it is, but it
shows um I'll call it some raw land that's been cleared, but it's got all vegetation growing on it, but where the edge of the cleared area was, all this, you know, mother nature puts
up all this grass and green stuff. Then there's the woods. So, this photograph shows one of those black plastic fences out on the outside. And I think this was work you requested be done. And then it's got like double
rows of silk socks and and because I said to him, "Tell me exactly what's I know what that looks like. Tell me exactly what's the picture of." And he says, "Well, Lisa requested." Anyhow, uh he's going to send that picture to me because I said I like to have in the
calendar a storm water picture like we had the the storm water bay in this year's calendar. So, this one is we'll figure out where to put it, but it's actually going to be a a storm water management part of a storm water
management system so that anyone looking at it understands uh what is out there. And um so I said just give me your name and your title. I don't need the and describe what I'm looking at, but I don't want the site.
when they drive by, when people drive by and they see these random barriers on the side of the road, people always wonder, I think we should do a a silk sack, too, or a dirt bag. A dirt bag.
>> Well, well, hopefully a dirt bag. >> It is dirt bags, right? >> You have to define dirt bag. >> Yeah, I was going to ask >> in stom water. Yeah, but it's a great idea for education. >> Also, um that Taton River watershed
thing. Um it's to give out information about whatever and um certainly those uh that kind of information. Uh because wherever you are, if you're driving, >> yeah, >> 495 somebody's back street, whatever,
you'll see these things and it's like, what's that? Who puts up a plastic fence? Well, it's technically not a plastic fence. You know, there's a reason for this and it's not to keep out whatever, but but anyhow, I just wanted you to know. Uh, so I do have a storm
water photo coming that actually deals with a a stormwater management system. So, >> another idea >> and it's Lisa's fault. Yes. >> Sorry if I'm dragging this on, but what if we put a photo of notweed, too, so people knew what notweed looked like?
educational smartw how's that related to storm water? >> Um >> I I know the answer should be >> you miss it >> between you know when you pull them out you're going to have beer ground. I mean
you know it's also on the side of the road >> the debris of it just mowing it can spread it through the storm water system. Yeah >> right down the system. Hey, if somebody can get a good picture of a a bunch of Japanese knotweed. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Uh, and write something um some kind of something I could summarize in a description. >> I think send it to me. I think it would be good to do like the knotweed and then like where Tom has removed it the same location so we're not like saying he has
knotweed we don't like it but Tom didn't do anything about it because Tom always seems to always do something about it. >> Okay. So I'll leave this a task assignment to Lisa and Tom. >> Okay. >> Come up with something that we can and
that we can and be sure to shoot um if you can horizontal not vertical. Okay. So we can meet Yes. All right. >> But that's certainly we got time. >> Heather gave me >> a thumb drive today with the pictures that we've accumulated
>> and I know I'm going to have this one and there's another one. Uh but we can all we can add them to the thumb drive and then figure out what where we're going to put them in the calendar. >> Okay. >> Uh if there's nothing else, I'll enter a motion to adjourn. >> Who knows?
>> Second. Motion and second. All in favor?