one. Okay. Okay. We are recording. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I'm going to call to order the monthly meeting of the Dayton Storm Water Committee. It is Wednesday, September 17th. The meeting's called to order at
10:01 p.m. We are in the upper hall meeting level uh upper level meeting hall at the old town hall 1111 Somerset Avenue in Dyon. This is a public meeting being video and audio recorded for posting on YouTube and the uh the Zoom
meeting information has been posted on the agenda. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. David Phillips here. Lisa Calonia here. Prairie here. Nancy Gulard here. Um,
do we know if either Woody or Joe are planning to come? I haven't heard. Okay. Well, we have a quorum and I do want to mention at this point we are down to five members because James Aguia uh has left the employment of the town uh has resigned from his position. So,
um I guess we'll wait to see what happens with the building department because that's that's obviously who we represented and we still don't have a rep from the board of health. Okay. Um are you here for the
agricultural presentation? Yes. Okay. Uh, could I get a motion to take agenda item 6A out of order, please? So moved. Is there a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor? I
I Okay, if you'd like to come up to the Please I'm going to recuse myself for this. I may chair. Yeah. Thank you. For the record, my name is Brian Dunn. I'm the principal of MBL Land
Development and Permitting with Office at Five Bristol Drive in Southeastern Mass. I'm here on behalf of Joe and Caleb Touch for property at 1280 and 1281 Pine Street that they own. and they uh wish to uh really clear the trees um
behind their home roughly about 3.2 acres of land. Uh it is their intent to only clear the trees, remove the stumps and keep the existing uh floor bed of the forest there and supplement it with
some loom and seed and uh restore it to a grass area. I've uh I have a large plan and I think we submitted the application uh with this plan larger plan. I have it here for you to
look at. Um it's really um you know behind their home like I said 3.2 2 acres of land and um we showed the limit of work gas he goes you know in through this area
clearing of land uh madam chair okay so I see the driveway in so the so the area is it buts it abuts Pine Street. Yes. Their property um one of their addresses is Center Street, but they al
it also extends all the way to Pine Street. All right. But the frontage is actually Pine Street. Correct. There's frontage on Pine Street and there's also frontage on Center Street. Can you show on the big map where I can see the driveway coming in, but where is
it on Fine Street? I don't have a driveway located on Fine Street. Oh, well, I see there's an existing hole. I see the gas line. Okay. So, here's Pine Street. Here's the house on Pine Street. That's part of the
property. This is the property area. That's also Oh, so it's all of this. It's 280 and 281 uh Pine Street. So, 1280, right? 1280. Yeah, I'm sorry. 1280 and 1281. So, it's all of this that they own.
And this is the area that they would like to clear the 3.2 acres. This right here. Okay. Yes. Okay. Um it's my understanding that agricultural use is an exempt activity. I had a hard
time trying to find that I because the application does does show you can see it says agricultural use. I saw that and a little confusing. Yeah. When I got um the person who issued that doesn't
know the bylaws or didn't follow the bylaws or regulations. I believe it's the regulations. um because when I responded with the email, I quoted exactly what it says in there from the list of exemptions.
So, I just want the the um committee and the public to know, yes, this is agricultural. Yes, is it is exempt from the town storm water bylaw and regulations. They don't need a storm water permit. The reason I asked Mr.
touch to send somebody in. Uh so Mr. done is here is because I believe this is one of the first actual agricultural exemptions that we've we've heard and I'm only doing this forformational
purposes and the fact that a storm water application got issued um it shouldn't have been uh had I been contacted I would have said no you don't need to do that but what I received was that application and the minute I looked at it was check for agricultural that
doesn't apply apply. So, anyhow, thank you very much for coming in. You're welcome. Thanks. It is um strictlyformational. Uh anyone who sees this uh needs to understand that if you look at the regulations, there are a number of
exemptions in there. Uh and again, because this one's agricultural, and I don't think we've had something like this come before. I know we haven't had a storm water permit application come to us. I just wanted to let everybody know uh it doesn't apply. Um the only thing I
said in my response was that obviously uh any work they do uh they will follow good uh storm water management practices meaning there won't be silted runoff. There won't be anything like that. But because of the nature of the land, my
understanding is there would not be runoff anyhow that if the rain fell, it's not going to go onto other property anywhere. It'll disperse on the property and it's going to be uh grass, hay, something like that. Yes. So, anyhow, uh does anybody on the
committee have any questions? It is you you said it was just grass, but it is actually a hay field. I it'll eventually turn into a hay field when once they you know repopulate the seed and some lom into the the forest bed. It'll eventually be you know grass area.
Yes, they could they could uh farm it for hay or just leave it as mainly cured lawn. So either one of the two. When's agriculture? When's not it's a hay field, right? Excuse me.
It's a hay field. Yeah, if the use changes, he's going to have to go to another bullet anyhow. All right. And uh I would assume since it's agricultural, it's probably in chapter 61. So that would also affect what
happened to the land other than uh an agricultural use. So So we all set? Yeah. On on our end. Yeah. Okay. Uh any questions from the public hearing? None. Thank you very much. you offset with that or would you like
to keep that? Um, we'll keep it. Okay. Very good. I will speak to the the uh board of health uh person let them know um agriculture is exempt. But if you have
any but there are any questions please call me so that before they even ask you to file anything we can get an answer for you or whoever else does this. Maybe Lisa can help you get the agricultural left. Well, the minute somebody applied for
agricultural because you have to state what you're going to do. Okay. It should have been, oh, agricultural. Okay, fine. You don't need a storm water permit. We're going to put this in the file. Okay. Have a nice day. Goodbye. Right. Yes. The other thing is um because of a lot of people know about storm water.
They don't know all the rules and regs, but if they see something going on, because people have sent to me, hey, have you been on the street lately? They're doing this d and I'll go by and check it and uh if it's something that we need to do, I usually get in touch with Tom and he takes a look at it and
then we go from there. But again, uh there was one on Center Street that I wasn't sure about and I checked with back then it was Todd Pilly and he says that's actually going to be agricultural. I said, "Okay, fine." All
right. So, um I mean, I'm familiar with agricultural. It's just this one was a little different, but it turned out to be agricultural. And, uh I think it's great that the public says they notice, let's say they're getting educated about storm water, and they deserve a
response. So, I think you're all set. Great. Okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you, Mr. Doug. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Who's online? So, Mr. Pearson has joined us. Oh, who's Jonathan? Jonathan's Mr. Jonathan notator.
That's AI. It's who? AI. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. So, we're going we're going back to It's to help Heather's life be easier.
Just like my daughter. Oh, you got to try it. You got to do it. It's much easier, Dad. I'm like, I don't know. You say James P. even want to know what it is. Weston and Samson. Yes. Okay. So, is he responding to whatever Jonathan's note was?
Mr. Pearson, are you there? Yes. Hi, Nancy. I'm here. Um I uh I I know there were some emails back and forth prior to this meeting and um I I don't think we necessarily did have any updates for you on any projects, but I just decided to log in as a courtesy
just in case, you know, there happened to be any questions. If there aren't, I can I can log back off or I'm happy to just Okay. Um, no, it's I had I had communicated with Jim Reeden and um, initially I said, "No, you don't have to attend." And uh, but quite frankly, I'm
glad you signed in. Um, same old question. Do you know if MACS has submitted those new storm water figures? To my knowledge, they haven't. Okay. Um, the reason I'm asked is because um, I've got to get in touch
with them that's going to be on the list, but I got another issue with them um, relative to the pilot agreement. So, since I'm going to bring that up, I will find out uh, about again ask where were
those calculations? Um, like I say, I have I think we all have concerns, but anyhow, I will follow that up and um I will copy you on that email just as a blind copy so you can see uh we're again
trying to get somebody moving. They keep having um Pete contact us. He's he's not the person. I mean, he's he was the project manager, but he's not on site anymore, and he certainly isn't going to
do engineering calculations. So, whenever somebody contacts uh their their other person, um we go through the circle of Pete writes and says, "What do you need?" We're not getting anywhere. So, try a different approach.
Um The item I have update on Weston and Samson storm water project review agenda 5A. Um that doesn't include Mr. Pearson or Mr. Reed. What that is about. Late last night I received a draft update on
the project that uh Theres Schwartz from Weston and Samson is doing for us. This is the review of the entire storm water program. Um, it came in late. I haven't had a chance to look at it. Um, I think I forwarded it to you, Tom, or if I
haven't, it's sitting in the draft folder. Um, it's the page is the report is 15 pages long. Um, I believe it's got um talks about the bylaw and the regs and potential changes. Uh, I don't know
if there's any testing involved or anything. The first project report we got was on testing because we have to file that with our MS4. So anyhow, we I did get a report. It will be available. Um we will take a look at it because
it's a draft and um I got to wait for the town administrator to get back because it's uh it's being paid for from the grant money and that all goes through his office. So that's the only update I have. Uh, James, did you have anything on anything else you're working
on relative to storm water? If you are I I do not have any other updates at this time. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Do we have any unanticipated items?
Public input. Um, anything on street? anything on their planting because they were supposed to take care of the basin when they do the planting. Okay. The planting is supposed to be done during the planting season. Isn't
that the planning board? I have something. Do you have Go ahead. Yeah. Um they submitted a restoration plan for the south end of the site where they went outside the fence and they had cleared previously. So they submitted a restoration plan for that to
conservation. So they'll be coming to conservation just to present that and discuss that tomorrow night. It's not a public hearing. So you wouldn't have gotten notified on that. Okay. On the north end. No, actually the
No, it's plant season now. It is plant season. This time of year. Mhm. No, but they should they should be doing something on the north side. You're right. Well, all the trees that died were
supposed to be replanted. And it would seem if they've developed a restoration plan, that means it's going to plant stuff, right? They do it at the same time, right? So, if you want to come to the meeting on um Thursday night con number of hearings ahead of it, but if
you got there at 7:30, I wouldn't think you'd be there longer than an hour. So, 7:30 here. Yeah. Okay. Try and get there a little earlier in case. Um yeah, there's a lot else going on. So, okay. Do we have any correspondents?
Um, I have correspondence. I just Okay. wanted to share with you that I got my EPA construction inspection um certification. I passed the exam. Congratulations. Thank you. See? Yeah. Thank you. I'm
going to hang it up in my office, I guess. What does this mean? Oh, it just means that I'm I can you could use my knowledge to pass the exam. But I took five modules and I recommend it for anyone who's interested because I
think it would benefit. Take it through the EPA. Yep. Online. Send you the link. Yep. Online. There's five modules. It took around eight hours of Did you start it at all? Not yet. What's cool is at the end of each module
they do like um little little quiz to see you know test your knowledge on what sounds like what you have to do to become an assessor only it's not little um but yeah I learned a lot in you know pollution prevention and all that and
compliance standards and the EPA expectations you learned an acronym a lot of acronyms that's the hardest part of I know. Did you do it? Yeah, that was when this first came out. Oh, is that right?
I bet you could take the exam without redoing it. It was 80 qu uh No, the acronyms that drive you nuts and some acronyms that mean different things. The same acronym. Yeah, 40 questions. You had to get an 80. So, 32 out of the 40.
Very good. Congratulations. Thank you. I was going to tell you that means you got a CDL and you can plow snow for Tom. Thank you. Congratulations. Thanks. I appreciate it.
Any other correspondence? Hearing none. Uh could I get a motion to approve the minutes of August 20th? So moved. Discussion hearing none. All in favor? I I I
the next meeting is October the 15th. Uh oh, before we adjourn, I just wanted to mention, you probably all remember this picture. Tomorrow night at the um Yeah, we should have that picture. Hon
items on the agenda is to discuss the uh pond and dam on Elm Street. This is a picture that was taken back when Tom replaced the culvert on Main Street. It had the pond had to be drained. This is what it looks like when it's drained.
It's a mud flat with a meandering stream. You can even see it was it was drained enough so that this grass grown that's how fast the the mother nature was taking over. But anyhow, uh the point being uh that is not a
huge reservoir of water that if it burst it would wipe out a whole section of Main Street. It's very shallow. I don't know if it's 3 ft deep except down near the spillway. Um,
if you look at the edges of pond that you can see, if you drive by north what's up a pond when it's a drought, you can see stone and you can see that pond is down. This thing got drained. You don't see any of
that because this pond is not that deep. So, uh, anyhow, this is it. I'll let you take this to the meeting. All right. Yeah, definitely. I just need that there. This is the the
um 24th calendar. And I like to keep one for reference. You can see why. Yep. So, and that, by the way, is also the picture. That picture of the pond is what the BP kids took and it's on the
front page of our no brochures behind the town seal because when I looked I thought what a great idea that was but the kids took that picture so it is right there now. Um so anyhow uh if anyone from the public happens to catch this that meeting is
tomorrow night six o'clock it starts here just for reference we are having that tabled until October 16 um due to the filing not being copied to de so we're going to open the hearing with no
discussion or presentation and continue damage. Mhm. Take the night off. No mean. Yeah. You know, if if you if you have anything like that that is going to
be continued, it would be wise to take it out of order so people don't have to wait if they're there to talk about it. Yeah. Get rid of it. I think Hong Kong does that. I remember going there to meetings and the first thing they do is there's a list. all the first ones that come up move to continue
move. It just goes on and on. Uh and we were there for the one that was going to get continued repeatedly, which it did. And same thing with when we get there for the Forest Hills thing. So, anyhow, uh can I get a motion to adjurnn, please? Motion to adjurnn. Second.
A second. All in favor? I. We are adjourned at 1. What's that time? 24. 1:24 p.m. That's a record. You're staying, Mr. P.
I think he's gone. I'm logging off now. Thanks, everybody. Okay. All right. Very good. Nancy, you said something really funny. You asked if the note taker,
what' she say about the noteaker? If that was him responding to the notetaker.