may have already been purchased by the district um day-to-day use of metal detectors is the exception not the rule in the majority of US schools we may want to guarantee that our kids will be safe but expensive metal detectors
cannot provide that for us there are a number of researchers who have found that when using metal detectors in schools students report feeling less safe they are more likely to perceive violence and disorder at their schools and they feel like criminals
the National Association of school psychologists said that massive public attention to school shootings has created the misperception that schools are dangerous places even though crime statistics show that schools are one of
the safest places in the US placing metal detectors in schools is controversial and needs to be a choice made by The Wider Community a security committee who wants the district to purchase security equipment is not the wider community students parents and
teachers all need to be asked if they even want metal detectors will the units create a bottleneck and frustration amongst students every morning we don't need our students to start the day frustrated compromising their educational day how often will they be screened will it be
in the morning after hours games practices dances school buses returning after lunch how many schools how many units what's the projected Personnel costs for training and operation what what's the projected maintenance repair and replacement cost what is the
comprehensive plan going forward have we at any time used metal detectors in our schools are we currently using them now we don't have unlimited funding and we need a lot more information on all of these items thank you I can appreciate those
comments before I move on would you be able to give kind of a background on the rationale for why why we are um wanting this policy sure I'd love to um it actually started back in 2018 February to be exact when Parkland school
shooting occurred that's when we started receiving a lot of community phone calls and dialogue from our community asking what we were going to do to take next steps to protect our schools and our students several of the um suggestions
from our community members who voiced their concerns did mentioned metal detectors they also mentioned armed security and other protocols which we have worked through with esak the enhanced security Community advisory Council to implement a lot of those
changes we did talk about metal detectors at one time but we moved forward with other initiatives that were more impactful at the time such as armed school security officers now we find ourselves in 2023
is when we um had this discussion with escac and now in 2024 when they were actually purchased with funds that we had available to us um but it was through the enhanced security Community advisor Council where this discussion
did take place where it does have um School leaders community members members of our law enforcement Community as well as student members or student board members and parents I'm sorry yes and parents
thanks Miss Murray okay director Schmidt director H so the Rapture is coming soon because for the second meeting in a row I have some agreement with AB Schmid um so I am familiar with the science that you
shared with us on um the impacts of uh of um of metal detectors in schools and it's overwhelmingly negative so with that in mind though when I read this policy the most important thing that stands out to me is the when
statement when d49 Administration has reasonable cause to believe um that we need essentially a escalated um security posture this puts an important tool into their hands um so when we have a
credible threat that's been received that something might be happening at a specific building or um specific school specific event um my understanding is that the purchased um metal detectors are portable and can be quickly set up
and operated is that correct yes sir that's correct so can you confirm that there is no intent to permanently monitor all d49 schools I can 100% guarantee you first I
don't have the manpower to do that second of all um it's not reasonable this there is no intent to deploy these units in a any d49 school on a full-time basis for everyday use this is literally
going to be for moments that we may receive a late night threat through safe to tell that we cannot deem it not credible with our law enforcement partners and we have limited time to get back to school in the morning and it
would allow us to deploy them with a security team just for that morning or throughout the day so that we can add additional reassurance to our community that we are taking additional steps to keep their children safe while they're in our schools getting an
education so that answers any concerns I might have had that that match Debs and I I feel very comfortable in making this important tool available to you when necessary I I think that's a very legitimate concern Mr Hy um again I I
have no desire to want to put metal detectors in our schools fulltime director L right okay so one question currently I believe sro's as Law Enforcement Officers can in fact W
students and if you're hearing things of people being wanted it would be the SRO that has done that correct no ma'am okay we'll have a conversation in private later um I was an SRO I never wanted one
single student I understand but I have personal knowledge so we can talk later but if there is any of that I don't think it's ever been a district employee I'd spend an SRO if it's taking place I'm not aware of it okay and then um the second this is
just kind of I was on escac when metal detectors were brought up with students before in terms of full-time and the students were wholeheartedly against it I was there as a parent representative when I wasn't on the board um but I can also say I was also a parent in 2022
when there was a concern at Falcon High where there was an increase in armed security present that year um for a short period of time and um my daughter's opinion was she would have
felt better and safer if at that point in time people temporarily walked through through metal detectors than watching people walk with gun cases through her Hall and her take on it was a little bit different than most students the gun cases didn't scare her
because she's a competitive shooter and now that she's in the Air Force she's an expert Marksman her thought was it's going to take him a long time to get that out of that case um so she did not feel safe because she felt on the flip side of where some people are who aren't as familiar um she felt like they didn't
the access wasn't ready enough and so she felt kind of like it was a show to try and make people feel safe but didn't really increase her safety and she would have preferred everybody just walk through a metal detector that day so that was one students perspective on do some of how we deploy some of those
resources and sometimes maybe if it's a combined one um I don't have a problem with the way it's written because it's situation specific yeah and if and if I can clarify the unit that we've selected to deploy um as a part of our Safety and Security posture and protocol for
threats um it's very it's a lightweight unit it's not abusive at all um and we can set it so that it literally can only detect what we would deem to be weapons of mass destruction which could be Firearms large weapons um large knives
it won't it won't go off on notebooks and keys and cell phones and stuff like that so we were very careful with the selection of this product when we looked at all the products available in the market and the product we chose the CIA
open gate is utilized at numerous um sporting venues throughout the country the Secret Service um Homeland Security and and others thank you um very good clarifying background information um I have a couple questions uh how many units did
we purchase one okay one one one full unit and two hand WS okay and then um the esac is able to make purchasing decisions for the district or is that something that you you guys and your team made that decision no ma we present
the information to them as a council okay they make a recommendation of whether they think it's a viable option moving forward to add to our security posture and then conversations happen with principal groups Mr hiltz u m Dr
Fletcher um and others and we collaborate on the project okay so then that decision was essentially made by he yeah may I clarify any anytime you hear an acronym ending an act there's a pretty good chance it's an advisory
Council so whether that's cact act esak skac um and that word advisory is really important so ultimately this is an administrative decision just like hiring extra security for our board meetings or or tasking extra security um those are administrative
decisions but because this does interface with an existing policy on personal searches and seizures and there are some first and Fourth Amendment implications um to this it's it's right for us to get it in policy um most of
the I'll speak directly to director Schmid for a moment most of the objections or Or the critical questions that you raised are nonrelevant to this to this implementation because we're not talking about doing these uh at every school or every morning it is really
situational and so um yes it's it's within ultimately my authority but but I would be def differential to our Safety and Security folks as advised by the escac um that this is that this
is a legitimate purchase and the timing of this is just right because now we've gotten training on it um we did a demonstration at the escac now we know what we have have and how it could work it's time to get a policy in place and
then one last uh last thing with the um now it's going to go right out of my brain um there's an important question I'll go to my school board uh School Representatives um from a student
perspective I do think that this is a good policy just because it's situational um I do think it could help students feel more safe because is you know like just uh recently there was that non-credible threat that caused a lot of absences and so if students were
aware that that there was going to be a metal detector that day or if parents were aware I think that would um encourage them to send their kids to school on days like that um and so just because like it's only with a reasonable cause I think students would appreciate
us thank you Mr Le right I want to add on to that and also your daughter's perspective um as of now like the only thing we show the security guards when we go into the school is our IDs and so for me personally that's scary because like they anybody can have anything in
that bag you know and so as long as it is because I don't want to make anything feel like a prison but I think if it is situational and I think it's just something to really promote and push because like I think as of now especially this past year many of us have been scared to go to school it's
like not fun it's scary is what it is and so I think yeah thank you Mr Zayn we are very sensitive to that um we believe wholeheartedly in the protection of our students and preserving the safety of
the learning environment and we're very committed to that that's our mission that's what we do that's what we get up for every day and if we can have a tool that can be added to our tool belt to be able to assist in that um providing that
safe learning environment provide for the opportunity for students not to be afraid to come to school when we re um receive these threats one of them came in from California one was up in Denver they weren't even in our area and they disrupted our learning environment for
days we got over 77 safe to tell reports in two days in our school district that is very impactful to our learning environment and at any time that we can add a tool to assist in reassuring our
community is sending their children to a safe learning environment I think the better we're going to be at meeting our mission yeah Julia actually reminded me of my my question um because it was my understanding that these instances have
increased dramatically and you just mentioned it just now about how that has this level of activity actually has gone up and actually finding things in students backpacks that that were were weapons or things that that and it's a
good thing that they did not use them and that they were found but um if we could prevent them coming into the school that would be helpful so absolutely that was not a question that I did prepare some key takeaways that I think would answer some of your lingering questions potentially if you
would indulge me I can read them for you that might help um we talked about it going through the escac already with the passion of this policy there is no intention for the weapon to detection systems become a permanent part of our everyday Safety and Security plan this policy and weapons detection systems
will allow us to deploy quickly in the event we are unable to determine the credibility of a communicated threat in a timely manner through a collaborative investigation with our law enforcement Partners the City of Colorado Springs and El Paso County have seen an increase in juvenile violence possession of
weapons by juveniles and our loan um sorry and there have been um over 5 th000 stolen firearms in The Last 5 Years weapons um detection systems are a prudent measure to provide Community reassurance that we take incidents of violent threat seriously and are willing
to take expanded measures to help ensure that we will uphold our community promise to provide a safe learning environment this will enhance our district Safety and Security posture it could deter a student from acting on violence at a d49 school as well as it
be a proactive measure to prevent weapons and unauthorized items from entering the learning environment and the last really important one is although there may not be a majority of support through our community they have voiced substantial
support every time we receive a threat that's all I've got okay are there any objections I have a few more things to say do we want to do another round okay one minut minute so situation situationally
speaking if I saw a metal detector at my school I'd run like hell um normally the board gives consensus to send items to committees about topics they need more information about when the board sends something to the committee the committee has a meeting or several meetings where the topic is discussed and minutes or
taken when the committee reaches its conclusions they are expected to be presented to the board during a public meeting for board consideration this is in policy however the legal responsibility for decision making in all matters of policy and operation
rests with the board as one member of the board I would would like to know the date of the public meeting where the use of metal detectors was first introduced I do understand that was probably with the last board I want to know the date when the previous board publicly gave
consensus to send this topic to the security committee I would like to see the minutes the attendees and findings from those security committee meetings I would like to know how the security meetings were made public at which board Education meeting the security committee
presented their conclusions for the board's consideration and I'm just not sure that proper protocol for advisory committees was followed completing completely according to policy BDF did we spend jistic money on on
metal detectors without the board of education's approval was the process done correctly for maximum transparency were parents asked a lot of parents not just committee parents a lot of students not just
committee students until the dri District can answer these questions I cannot give agreement to move this forward it does not seem transparent to me dormed I um respect your statement um but one uh point of clarification this
is not a committee this is a council advisory Council um so it works differently and um we have a legal responsibility in the state of Colorado to do all we can protect our kids and provide a safe learning environment and
we're moving forward doing the best we can with that mission Mr Hills can you further clarify if I I can so the policy that director Schmid is referring to uh about advisory committees is BDF but there are multiple places within that policy where it speaks about the board
or Administration so it's incorrect to say that all decisions have to come back either have to originate with the board or have to come back to the board that's not our governance model that's not our Administration model and so um the the characterization that you are applying
to this policy is what is kind of collo called a management board we don't have a management board we have a a governance board and so one of the things that I'm charged to do is administer the expectations of the board or the expectations set in policy and
and maintaining safety in our schools is one of those um the board has had Presence at the escac but those are intentionally not going to be public meetings and I'll I'll stand on that all day long um we may disagree permanently but you don't want to have discussions
about security protocols in public um you want to have those in private you want to have demonstrations of security technology privately because you don't you don't want to that's one of the reasons why um sometimes people will request video
and we are allowed to not release video from our security system because it might reveal the depth of field the range that is visible and those are security details that were explicitly allowed to keep private so if the
interest of of safety um is well established and it is then there are times when we are not only allowed but we're prudent to have less transparency uh in this case um the escac has operated now since Parkland Right started under under the leadership of Mr
Watson and our former chief operations officer ped almea it it is a representative uh committee it has had student parent staff security professional voice um which I explained to you this week in in our email exchange
and these are not matters that we should discuss or or will on my watch discuss in a town hall setting where we have gotten input has been when there are events nationally that increase the
level of of concern and anxiety in every Community including our community so if there is a uh a shooting in AAL or a shooting in Parkland or or uh shooting in Nashville when those things happen we
constantly get an immediate kind of Blossom of requests to harden our schools and and the number one thing that they they usually say is put metal detectors at all entrances we've already
had that debate at escac and we've clearly rejected that um and every one of the representative groups there has rejected that so it's not like students hate it and parents want it nobody wants as as Zayn said earlier to prison ify right you didn't use that bad grammar I
did but we don't want to make our student our our students go to school in a prison that's how we all always say it plus prisons are really dangerous places like lots of crimes happen in prisons so we're not trying to harden them to the point that they um that they can't be
effective learning environments uh but in terms of how the advisory councils work um this is 100% % within our protocol and our normal practice for decision making and if I may add to that as having been a sitting board member
when it was formed we approved the bylaws that explicitly stated what the membership would be um what the rule and um how it was going to operate and that included all members signing non-disclosure agreements when they participate or com not confidentiality
nondisclosure because scenarios that could involve of um security decisions that if known would then defeat the purpose of the security protocol um would be discussed openly with people serving on that
community on that committee and so they have we have to and I'm no longer on it because I don't respond to anything from it because I was a parent rep and I can't be a parent rep and a board rep at the same time um but when I was on it I
signed that agreement and I could not talk about anything even though I was representing Falcon high as a parent I couldn't go back to Falcon high and talk to the principal about what was presented there unless I was explicitly asked to get feedback from my building leadership because some aspects of it
had to stay in that very close and it in that that close group to keep everyone safe and that was explicitly approved by the board at the time it was established and I'm assuming those bylaws haven't been substantively changed to that point
but I remember us explicitly stating that and in fact when the board gets briefed on those things they are sensitive enough that it qualifies under um executive session rules um because it would put people at risk otherwise and I
want to be respectful to you um director Schmidt and answer one of your questions before I walk away from the podium here in a couple minutes um the last time that esac talked about this topic was November of 2023 director
H so this was a question that came to me from a constituent earlier this morning and I already heard a hint of it and I just want to get confirmation were principles consulted on this policy uh the administrators that were in the esac which includes which isn't I'm
sorry which includes principles assistant principles Deans so there is Administrative um attendance thank you and regarding the the the confidentiality requirement I mean one of the things that people will be talking about and you need to be able to
talk about in the ascac is Frank conversations about things like known vulnerabilities you know a building that uh you know may have a an entrance that isn't properly secured and we need to strategize on what we're going to do about that things of that nature that's
why it's absolutely vital that these conversations are not happening in the public yeah and that's why I love engaging with our student board and other students in the escac process because I can do a vulnerability assessment at any of our d49 locations all day long but you know who's going to
be the expert at telling me where our gaps are students any further questions from our students it's also technically not a board advisory committee correct isn't it an advisory to operations and therefore it doesn't even come so it
originated as advisory to the chief operations officer and then in the weird year um that that attached to me and and then we actually passed policy that whatever was a prior reference not I'm sorry we didn't pass a
policy we adopted a memorandum that anything that previously referred to a chief officer now referred to the superintendent so even though we still have some chief officer language that Lynette is judiciously scrubbing out um even if it says Chief education officer
we have uh we have board approved practice that that translates to superintendent it's not the same as a board appointed group that's correct and it's also not a statute there is no statutory foundation for the escac it's
a District 49 uh probably not a unicorn there's probably comparable in other places but it it's something that we created after the uh margerie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland incident because we did not want to be making these administrative decisions that as
Mike said require super high sensitivity we we just knew we needed more wisdom in the room and we used to have a district safety Emergency Management Council that um I used to chair prior to the escac so we stood that down and stood up the
escac so that we could get more Community involvement and uh students involved and parents okay before we go to director Schmidt um we're going to go to our student board word um I had a couple things I wanted to throw out there this is no way shape or form of question but this is
something I want to throw out there so that way we all hear each other I'm really big on hearing each other out I like to hear other people and I like to hear myself sometimes too um so I wanted to say the questions that we ask about topics like these can always like start like bickers between
each other and we can always end up with questions like were parents asked were teachers asked were deans asked but like at the end of the day what does that question lead us to do you want your kid to feel safe at school like what would the obvious response be like no so I mean like yes we do you know what I'm
saying and so I just feel like the question of is everybody okay with this I feel like the answer should be yes I feel like if there is a credible that threat then yes we should be okay with making sure that the kids at the schools who are in experiencing experiencing it sorry are feeling safe I also wanted to
say that many times we say that things like this won't happen especially you've seen seen this around the world I'm sure um and it's always the people who say like oh our school would never get shot everybody here is so nice it's always those schools like that that something does happen and I think this is a really good thing to push because it's making
sure that we're prepared I also wanted to say that we can say that metal detectors are scary and that we want to run away from them but also I want to add being in a school shooting and being in a threat is scary there's like it just yeah thank you very well said Zan
thank you Juliet do you have anything no thank you dror Schmid I'm just going to say nothing is 100% effective and if we're going to throw metal detectors out there to offer
a sense of security we're not going to get that metal detectors will not give us 100% sense of security um director SM I can appreciate your on that but neither will a firearm in
the hands of a good guy inside the school there was one in the hands of a good guy SRO in Parkland and a major Massacre took place so there are no foolproof
strategies with all due respect with Parkland you had a student that was in and out of school in and out of difficult situations taken out of the school put him back in the school everybody knew he had issues and they
kept putting him back in the school so if he took a gun from someone somebody didn't do their job along the way because the kid was messed up all the way along and everybody knew so I don't like using
Parkland as the example because we knew they knew fair enough um uh Parkland is what got all this started everything escac armed school
security everything and I'll just end saying if someone's intent on evil evil is going to happen and we've got to be prepared and have the best tools in place to be to be able to meet
it but will they meet it I hope so all right uh well we're going to go ahead and uh it sounds like we have might have some objections so if I can get a consensus on the mic please no yes yes
yes okay and that will move forward to our next meeting we are on to thank you so much uh we are on to 1.3 new job description Zone Partnerships and Innovation administrator
members of the board as as uh Dr Gutierrez is walking up I just want to I want to make a quick observation um Although our materials tonight are are uh replete with the name Izzy because Izzy's in the role that we're talking about and leads the programs that are
that are part of this discussion um it is a good HR principle that you don't create positions for persons right that's a that's a just a good General principle in HR and I just want to I want to be very clear that's not what we're doing
um although you do not create positions for persons persons often create great programs and so I'll use allies as an example we we all understand that Rebecca Thompson was incredibly important in in creating that program
and we wanted to create succession that would carry the success of that program forward so what what very is about to to present is really a way of creating sustainability if there were to come a time where we didn't have the person
who's creating these programs and we want those programs to continue to be viable and sustainable then we need to have the right position in leadership um so that we can support the existing the incumbent but also think about succession and future um program
sustainability so I just wanted to give that frame around um this isn't about Izzy this is about the position that Izzy is in yes thank you superintendent Hils because that is a very important um
frame to have and thank you school board for allowing me to come before you to make this recommendation So currently what we have is a coordinator of special projects and when that position was
created it was a appropriate but since then um and up to now the role and the responsibilities of the role have greatly increased um I connect
Zone continues to grow and so I was checking our enrollment tracking currently the I connect Zone makes up 55% of the total District enrollment and I did go in and I said without goal
because we always have to make that distinction so even without goal I connect Zone does make up 39% of d49 enrollment we have um several schools more than the other zones and we
continue to grow we want to continue to grow we do have the programs that are in the scope of work the high performance program without it um spring Studio would uh go down significantly in
enrollment because it is 36% of spring Studio we have the F1 Visa program we don't currently have international athletes that doesn't mean that we would not be approached by an international athlete aerolab has grown originally it
was 14 students currently it's serving 241 students and I believe it was at the last board meeting that a parent came before you and said her child learned how to fly before they learned how to drive which I thought was phenomenal so
we just have all these amazing programs and we have several in the works and so what what I'm looking to do is eliminate the coordinator of special programs position and replace it with his own Partnerships and Innovation administrator which is a
mouthful we do have a savings a little bit over $2,000 that we would have because currently what we're doing is we're stien stiening that that verb sounds weird to my second language learner brain um but
we're providing a stien for every day beyond the current contract because there's just so much work that needs to get done so going to a 261 day contract at a Zone administrator is is actually a
cost cost savings to the Zone we're looking to bring in more CTE Pathways we're looking to create more Partnerships this is really truly a year round position I'm really excited um
that we're looking to develop two Partnerships with two of my former employers we're looking to create a partnership with Target for internships for students in the Ace classes at
Patriot and since you said be mindful of acronyms I sat in the back and said I don't know what Ace means now I do it's alternative Cooperative education so we're working with Target out at briergate to provide internships for
Patriot students and we're trying to build a partnership with waterburger to bring in Waterberg University for leadership development so really excited to have those two Partnerships in the works but I can't take on that work
Rochelle kohh house can take on that work but his own Partnerships and Innovation administrator can take on that work so I'm hoping you would consider um creating this position eliminating the coordinator and that you
would consider voting this into reality at the next board meeting and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have director Schmidt thank you so much for breaking that down for me um on the F1 Visa I did
not realize that d49 was using it that was one of my questions how you were in implementing it I didn't know you were using that for international athletes I always assumed F1 visas were for adults wanting to come to learn in the US
um I don't it sounds like you need this position but I would like to just throw out there that from 20,000 or from 2000 to 2019 the number of school administrators
have increased by 88% and teachers and students have only increased by 8% so I'm going to be very mindful about putting more administrators in although from what you've said it makes sense in
this yeah particular case that's that's why I'm eliminating one yes I'm eliminating one and replacing it I'm not adding yeah that's what I got out of it so I do appreciate that chair D may I interject for a moment director Schmidt can you clarify the source of that
statistic because we have a board policy National Center for Education statistics so that's a national statistic so I want I want this on the record it is that is radically incorrect for District 49 we have not incre increased our administrative roles in fact we have a
very strict ratio that we have maintained for 12 years um and so while that comment may have great relevance for a national observation for the purposes of this conversation and since we're on the record that when a board
member speaks reasonable people might think you're speaking about the district that you lead that statistic is completely wrong for District 49 wrong not to site that I'm sorry I I appreciate that and I just I just want to balance the record and make sure
people know there is a Time coming when Mr Anderson's going to stand up and show you a couple of graphs and he's going to show you that our administrative line has been flat I think it's stated 78 to 80 administrators for 10 years in a row
even though our number of students of all kinds has grown a lot and so I I appreciate and I appreciate the the rapid acknowledgement of that but it's also part of why verin said this position was right right when it started and it's not we we have essentially the
programs have outgrown the position Dr trial yeah I just wanted to say um you know you are responsible for your Zone and you are telling us that this is a position that you need and that you that you've outgrown another position and so
it's one for one it's completely budget neutral and you know we have faith in you that's why we gave you the position and so you have my support thank you I appreciate that director L right um I totally agree especially when you look
at the analysis and you see by creating it um as a salaried admin position with an admin contract you're getting um a little bit of a savings technically um but either way when a program grows it's very similar I like to the comparison to allies because allies started as a program within e
School a very small program within a school and has now grown to its own school so obviously we didn't have a principal of the program within the school but we ended up having to have a separate principal for that um as it grew substantially into not only just a
program but a full full School of its own and I think this is a similar um development for similar reasons Innovation and education to reach reach student needs which is what we're supposed to be about so I think this is awesome thank you did I do that did I touch something I shouldn't have touched
oh there it is okay thank you for bringing this forward I think it's important for us to know what's going on with our Zone and to hear the amount of students that are at the AOL lab is really exciting and encouraging and uh that's like my husband's favorite thing to talk about
is that AOL lab um and coming from a school where we have actually experienced Growing Pains ourselves and had to create new positions or re rework different positions based on our needs I fully support this um this uh re redoing
of a role essentially so yep thank you may I add just one more little observation yes really fast um one of the reasons I'm super excited about the relationship that we maintain with our Charter Schools is because of how many great Charter
leaders are working in operated schools and Izzy is an example of that he was an rmca guy before he was an I connect Zone guy and and whether it's Martina Mike weeder I I just there's a long long list of people who are in leadership roles in
District 49 who who came through one of our Charter Schools uh at least four principles just just thinking rapidly and I don't want to say them all because I'll miss somebody but at least four of our principles came to us out of the charter school community and I was at a math conference the last couple of days
with one of our great teachers that went through a math Masters program and is now providing great leadership at one of our charter schools and that story is just is common so just another example of how critical the I connect Zone has been to the culture of d49 it's not just
about student Choice it's we say it's the best choice for anyone who's choosing a place to work a place to learn a place to lead and Izzy exemplifies that but he's far from the only one who exemplifies that absolutely what about the students do you have any
questions for me if I don't want to walk away without you asking me something if you need if you wish I don't have any questions I do think it's a um great um job to add especially because it prioritizes the students needs so thank you okay thank you Zan I don't have any
questions to add as well I do think that it's amazing what you're doing your Partnerships congratulations thank you Z yeah okay any objections okay if there are no objections this will be moved into
action at the October 10th board meeting thank you very much I appreciate your support okay we are on to 1.4 Unified School District district Improvement plans Lisa Vu thank you Dave he knows I'm so bad at
this this right there don't touch the other ones right hi I'm Lisa fellow executive director of learning services and I'm really happy to be here tonight because we have good news I'm happy the
right I'm here to present to you our unified Improvement plans also known as our uip so uh that's what the only acronym I hope to use um but I'll catch myself the our uips are constructed in
response to our uh school performance Frameworks and the the state only requires for schools that are at performance and above to do these every other year um since I've been in the district they're done every year and
they're just a good reflection of our where we're at in our schools and what what our opportunities for growth are for student achievement and maybe some highlight some great things that are happening um this all ties into our
culture and strategy of continuous Improvement this is up here's our I'm showing you our 2023 school performance Frameworks or school performance ratings that's what that R is um you'll see a lot of
yellow uh up there and you'll see one for insufficient State data and now here is our working student performance I mean school performance Frameworks our spfs for this year and and just a significant
Improvement and we are so proud of that I really want to highlight um evans's Elementary as far as I know they've been in uh Improvement status for quite some time and this year they are not and it was a lot of hard work for that school
so yeah thank you I also really wanted the I think what has driven the us to have more schools on performance is the the work that Peter started last year with meeting with every single principal
and Zone leader and oneon-one so that was a lot of meetings and really explaining their school performance Frameworks and going all the way through digging very deep into the data that that just giving them that
awareness and setting some goals that were attainable that just because it says does not meet you're very close and this is how you can get there um I just the whole vibe that we have in learning Services now we're on this trajectory
for improvement and it feels really great so thank you to Mr hiltz for leading Us in that direction um I also the state had changed they do every they do something creative every year
this year they streamlined the the unified Improvement um plans online and they they they allegedly streamlined them but there have been so many technical difficulties formatting
difficulties that I need to shout out to Karen Bixler my some of my team came because I don't know if they don't trust me up here or if they're here to really support me because I told them to go home they just got back from a professional learning conference so I know how tired they are but
Karen she took every one of those calls from principal panicking because the formatting wasn't working um we are grateful that she has such a great relationship with um the Department of Education that she just picks up the
phone and these issues were solved immediately it was pretty good um and then oftentimes we beat other districts and Reporting these so we helped out other districts because they got resolved right away so thank you Karen
also she did trainings at for all the zon then she did one-on-one trainings because some um principles required more training and then she even did daily trainings with all the phone calls she received so thank you Karen and as a
result of Peter digging deeper into our spfs and really uh working with our school leaders on identifying their data and data literacy that created a lot more work for Kathleen
granis she gets many requests on a daily basis for data that is so deep and very very specific that um and she just responds right away um things that we thought
couldn't happen that we couldn't pull that data Kathleen pulls it right away so thank you to Kathleen for all her hard work um let me move on I pushed the wrong button just a reminder that that our unified
Improvement plans are a result of uh the school Prof it's an answer to the school performance Frameworks and this is just a quick reminder that it's 60% um academic achievement I mean
growth and 40% academic achievement but now they've added some science in there so we had some science scores this year and um I just wanted to give you this with a link to online tools to help you better understand
it and then I present to you our school unified Improvement plans um these there's two schools that are not on here um pepsol and P and that's because they exercise their right to do every other
year the I connect Zone the charter schools often do that some give them to us every year but those two schools exercise their right not to now keep in mind if they are below performance so if they're an improvement or priority
Improvement they must do them every year so um I know these are a little bit this is a lot uh we put them in a PDF file for you to better read like a summary of them um and I know that Lynette and I
have talked about possibly doing a training on the actual platform and the tool on how and the how decisions are made so I'm happy to do that and lynet and I will set a time for that okay any
questions director Schmid I just had a comment I did not when I was looking at it the link to the online tools went right past me so thank you oh okay look at it okay okay director
H director liia Wright director Schmidt did you want to say something that I did have one more uh comment and it was that there wasn't any data in I think it's the next pages that is a excellent observation
because these are all Based on data a lot of them a lot of what we write in those in the uh unified Improvement plans uh you'll see a couple of them with some data that's pretty ugly it's huge that is the one formatting issue
that CD has not figured out and that only happens when a school is trying to upload screenshots and they are aware of this they have repeatedly asked us not to include data um charts now you can speak
to the data and some schools did um but you cannot insert any graphs the they do that now which this is new they they put all our graph in there all our Cass um
longitudal data everything's in there and so they ask us not to it's kind of frustrating because sometimes we really want to address our primary literacy scores or our math scores in in
K2 and we can't I mean we we cannot upload the the data the charts and the visualizations so and then I have a issue that when they do the PDF when we run the PDF those charts that CDE puts
on are not visual so that's something they said they're working on I will direct you to the school view on um the Colorado Department of Education where you can put in particular schools you can also look at our district school
performance Frameworks and you'll get some really good data there again not our eight data and not our star 360 data so it's kind of frustrating um Juliet do you have
comments uh no thank you for what you do Zan no thank you for what you do well I want to thank the School principles too they did all the work um any other questions I just want
to say that I am so proud of our district and how far we're coming and the amount of schools that are in performance now than used to be and we're going to continue to keep going so
um this has given me a lot of hope so thank you I always say just even a little bit of success it really does breed motivation I know our Department's very motivated we're seeing that with our principls our coordinators our Zone superintendent so it's
it's it's a good feeling and I also want to tell you that the um final ratings these are working ratings the school performance Frameworks will come out in November and hopefully there'll be some more good
news okay thank you thank you thank you all right we are on to 1.5 Energy Services per performance Contracting Fletcher you're up I just wanted to come to you very
briefly before our guests come on you'll probably remember back to to the annual planning Summit when we talked about the exciting deferred maintenance but we had talked about how that is something that's growing in the background as we do great things out front it grows I
always challenge my colleagues to not just come with a problem to come with Solutions so I don't want to be um divorced of that myself so uh looking at energy performance Contracting is a solution that allows us to do some investment in growth and get return on that so without further Ado we have a
representative of Snider Electric and a representative of the state from the Colorado Energy Office letting you know we went through a process where we looked at many different providers got down to two finalists had great scrutiny and Schneider was on top of that so that is why I bring them before you as
opposed to bringing a parade of energy service companies to talk to you without further Ado thank you Dr Fletcher okay sorry I'm just gonna I feel like I'm gonna need the water um good evening Board of Education superintendent hilts thank you so much
for having us today uh my name is Will Benish I'm a program manager with Schneider Electric and with me is Charlie Stevens from the Colorado Energy Office he's a program engineer and he really here just to be in the background supporting all of this which is great thank you for being here Charlie um so
like Dr Fletcher introduced uh we've been working with the district hand inand over the last six to eight months in you know consistent conversation understanding well what are your greatest challenges when it comes from an operation standpoint where are challenges in the learning environment
um and how can we help uh I I've had the opportunity to work with um schools big and small across this state for over six years now and helping them the slide this way now we know okay thank you thank you um I'll think achieve a lot of
the goals when it comes to reducing that amount of deferred maintenance um so you can see there there's a lot of content up there in 15 minutes we'll see if we can get through all of it but I know they'll have some questions and we can definitely touch base at that point as well very briefly um like Dr Fletcher
alluded to uh we're an energy services provider pre-qualified to do this kind of work here in the state of col colado partnered with the Colorado energy office um to be able to execute projects like this for schools cities counties municipalities all across the state um a little more information about who we are
more nationally I guess um but I've had the pleasure of working here in Colorado over the last six years um doing this only with school districts so one of our first conversations together as a team was understanding well what does what this program is and what do you do to
benefit our school learning environment and it really came down to three main categories uh very first creating a comfortable working living environment for students and faculty and staff when it comes to addressing deferred maintenance we're going to talk a little about what that actually means today speaking with the actual Capital
recovery program the energy performance Contracting itself avoiding massive future operational costs so dollars can be saved now and can be leveraged for projects that are coming in the future projects you normally seen in a general Bond obligation or with a large cash infusion can be used through this
program appropriately and then finally providing and promoting environmental stewardship um but as well as providing student engagement opportunities especially for students that have interest in a potential career down the line when it comes to engineering electrical mechanical and the trades
which is something that our team has to offer okay so you see two images on the screen I'm going to do my best to explain this this was the work of superintendent hilts and Dr Fletcher when I explained exactly how this program works they came up with this analogy it has to do with the snowball so
imagine you have a snowball it represents the giant pile of deferred maintenance that is at the school district which grows every single year right currently the heating source that is melting that snowball is the sun something that chips away at that
snowball year overy year but unfortunately the snowball is growing faster than the sun is helping it melt so the amount of deferred maintenance the dollars that are being added up and the operations expenses are adding up as well so let's say instead of the sun we
use something like a blowtorch blowtorch is a bit extreme right it's going to melt that snowball immediately this is something like a general Bond obligation that you'd see where you'd see millions and millions of dollars being addressed a large cash infusion a capital contribution that's a very expensive
blowtorch and not a lot of school districts have millions of dollars in cash to be able to use something like this so thinking more realistically and accessibly what about something like a hair dryer a hair dryer not as powerful as a blowtorch but what a hairdryer will
do will melt the snowball at a faster rate than the Deferred maintenance will grow um and we're going to talk about how that correlates exactly with what this EPC energy performance Contracting program can get to so I'm going to give them all the credit for creating that analogy there thank
you we talk about the program itself one of our one of the things that our team takes a ton of pride in is understanding how a school district functions the goals that it has the Strategic goalss that it has and and the future thinking that's in place so very early on our team took a look at really major
categories that we're going to use as the foundation for a lot of this work understanding how our accessibility as a project management organization can match up in align with accessibility with the Baldridge framework which we know you take a lot of pride in um how we know the district's not going on for a bond this year but sometime in the
future being able to address operational challenges now so you don't have to go to your taxpayers in the future with a larger ask that's in place strategic goals that are associated with improving the facility condition index score at your schools this program supports that entirely student achievement and accessibility with career shadowing
opportunities that we've done right down the road at District 38 at Elizabeth School District a Canyon City school district have students receive scholarships as well as opportunities for job um opportunities in their futures of course how is this funded over time and how are we managing energy
in the process so up to this point we've had some steps that have occurred you're going to see this word IGA come up quite often that stands for investment grade audit um that is the state energy offices contract template for an Energy
Services Company like our team to be able to go in and complete an extensive audit of all of the facilities or a majority of the facilities inside the district to determine well what are the things that are going to generate utility and operational savings that we can then use to help pay for a lot of the big mechanical needs big building
automation system needs needs that you don't see or feel right now but your students will and it's going to come as a budgetary item in the future that will be very expensive so that includes an introduction of the Colorado energy office which is the state agency that provides oversight to
our team's analysis of the energy work that's being done as they do with every other school city and county here in uh the state of Colorado if the board were to decide to move forward with the investment grade audit there is a formal approval required for that and then once we get into there we'll have about a typically
a 5 to 7even month timeline in developing and completing this investment grade audit this is the investment that the energy services company makes to the school district uh in terms of getting down to exactly how much money is being saved how much energy is being saved and how are you creating that analysis so we'll finish
that investment grade audit report providing updates to the Board of Education in the process deliver it to the energy Office deliver it to the district and if we're all happy with what we see we would move forward in implementing it so obviously we're very very early in that first stage um but wanted to make sure you understood how
the development of this timeline goes how am I doing on time not good all right so when we're talking about the different facilities and I hope I got these colors right I I supera HS helped with that um the facilities team and the planning team came down to I believe 20
schools in the district that we would be taking a look at and prioritizing these schools I don't think you could see it on the screen there but this is averaging out to a school year built around 19 1992 and just over 1.5 million square ft being audited so those would the schools that would be included in
the investment grade audit so what does that mean in terms of kicking off the investment grade audit so like I mentioned earlier there is a contract associated with the investment grade audit that is not a Schneider Electric contract that is a contract that is the Colorado energy offices this is the contract that every
school City and County that has done this work utilizes with Partnership of the Colorado Energy Office so we've been working with the district currently in finalizing what that contract could look like but in that contract there is the
determination of what the price of this investment grade audit actually would be this is not an upfront price required by the district this is the cost that it would take for our team to go in and develop this work over the next 5 to seven months but it is not something
that we're requiring in a specific ask from the board right now how that cost is determined we take the total square footage that we're looking at we multiply it by and I don't know why the energy office used it this way but we multiply it by the distance from here to the Colorado Energy Office in Denver and
that determines the cost per square foot so luckily enough Falcon got the lowest uh cost per square foot on there at 20 cents a square foot um so you're seeing an investment gr audit price just under $300,000 that would be the cost of the actual investment grade audit on the
right there I've got a lot of text I'm going to make sure this is is very clear this is very important so the investment grade audit price is not an upfront fee it is a contingency fee if we if we move forward with this and we develop this project and the school district decides
to move forward with the construction of this project the cost of that investment grade audit is rolled into the cost of the entire project which we're going to talk about is covered by utility and operational savings this is a budget neutral program if we execute this IGA and the
district decides at the end hey you have a viable project here but we don't want to move forward um that would be the fee that is invoiced dis nider electric for that work in the rare case but we have seen it before if we cannot find a viable project if we cannot find a
project that generates utility and operational savings um that we can present to the Board of Education um both parties can walk away without an investment grade audit being owed I've never seen that before but it has happened so anyway I just want to
make make sure that was very clear and understanding how that is broken out so I showed snowballs little light IG stuff um this is a very clear description of how this program actually does work so what we would do is gather
a utility and operational Baseline of what you're currently spending at your school which we don't have that number yet we did a feasibility assessment of four schools in terms of how we got qualified for this that spend was about $630,000 just for those four schools between el El gas and water here we did
not actually calculate any operational spend specifically but we would gather a baseline utility expenditure we would make recommendations that we know are going to generate utility cost savings um and what our team does is once we install those um we essentially guarantee the savings well we guarantee
the savings so if we tell you you're going to save $100,000 a year off your utility bill um and you only see $90,000 saved from your Baseline we will write a check to cover the difference that's what the guarantee means and the Colorado Energy Office holds us to that jurisdiction um and the statute
supporting it here in the state of Colorado that's how every state with this program is performed um so in turn the savings that you're seeing that are being guaranteed we're using the savings to actually pay for the work through a variety of different funding
mechanisms high level okay so speaking of funding um there are a variety of different funding mechanisms to actually pay for this work um the most common funding vehicle that we see is actually a form of financing it's called a tax exempt lease purchase
agreement as a tax exempt entity um lenders and school districts have the opportunity to work together to essentially um Finance out this project so we were talking about on that last slide there those payments there the savings that are guaranteed that are
generated the annual debt obligation that a school district would make are covered entirely by the savings they have to be that is what Dr Fletcher reflected with the budget neutral approach the savings from your utility Baseline will cover that annual debt obligation entirely if we don't meet
that we cut you a check to cover the difference and of course figure out why is that happening it shouldn't be happening so I'll go back to that real quick so just as a quick example we worked with District 38 down the road a few years ago and as we talked about
their project their project included the installation of security vestibules it included boiler installation rtus brand new controls LED lighting it was very Capital intensive um so there were a bunch of different funding vehicles to get there and one of the things the board actually requested was
understanding okay well the savings are paying for the annual debt obligation each year if this is a 9 million project when are we going to see $9 million in entire life cycle savings so our team completed a projected payback that um over the life of the equipment inside of
the facility in year 17 of that life cycle that is when the savings would would be meeting um the entire life cycle of the projected payback of the project cost and I broke that out just a bit further on here for the project at District 38 which is relevant just
because it's down the road and it's it's a great project um about 3ar of that project cost was financed through a tax exempt Le purchase agreement as you could see there but on top of that we actually were able to secure a few few different grants well I guess
considerably the best Grant um and they used some of their sr2 as well as their own District Reserve in order to achieve some of the other work that did not generate any Energy savings but wanted to be included inside of this project so that's broken out there below um and I
just think the importance of this project with the association of we implemented items that didn't have much to do with actual energy management or utility cost savings but Capital priorities um which was something that they wanted to prioritize especially
around safety in security so that was a big really important project that our team took on in that moment so we talked about the financing mechanism as the primary form of funding um but one of the things that our first team takes on first in the investment grade audit is looking for federal and
state funding that we can use as an upfront contribution um there's a lot of free money out there right now for projects like these with school districts we have an in-house Grant and rebates team that would be able to take on Federal and State Grant applications the on you see a here are simply examples of fiscal year 24 applicable
federal funding I am not saying that is what we would go after it's whatever would work best for the school district um this is your project at the end of the day we're not here to enforce a scope of work that does not meet your expectations and requirements but these are just some examples of ones that we've gone after this year um we're not
perfect but we've got a great grants team uh and and we'll work our tales off to find funding for you up front before we look at that primary funding vehicle oh 40 seconds it's okay and the most important part too um we're really proud of our student engagement programs at
Schneider um it it's something that has grown tremendously over the last five years five six years um one of our top programs our energy fellowship program um is actually an in-house program where we allow students to come on site with our construction team in an appropriate
setting of course provide trainings and teachings for them especially for students interested in the trades um so we'll have folks um construction managers that essentially become mentors to a lot of these students that are interested we did this most recently at Elizabeth School District and it was very successful I'm going to move
actually to the right because actually at Eliz at Elizabeth we included our Schneider Electric University program which is free to all students that we work with those are 300 classes associated with engineering electrical mechanical And Trades work um that we offer to students as well there are a
few others on there I will skip them just for now um feel free to take your time you're fine thank you so much much I appreciate that you know what then I'll stay on it actually perfect um students and steam is a great event we actually held this in the El Paso County area uh we held it for three years in a
row we took off last year but we're hoping to bring it back this year here in a few months actually um but essentially we bring in speakers and um just impressive individuals that started out in the stem and steam oriented fields to be able to talk and speak to
students we usually hold it at the space Convention Center space Discovery Center in college Springs um that's an event that we want to expand further out into different regions of the state but just a specific one I wanted to include for some of the younger grade school students we recently kicked off our waste diversion program at Thompson
School District up in Loveland Colorado um that's been a big success with two schools that we've worked with there and finally on the very right associate with Schneider Electric University is an energy dashboard we use in housee for how students can monitor and manage actual energy usage but most importantly cost usage inside of their buildings
I've seen competitions occur that way too awesome thank you to wrap things up kind of way back at the beginning our team did complete a baseline utility analysis of four schools at the district um we took a look like I mentioned between
electricity Natural Gas and Water understanding what the cost per square foot is what the usage is between all of those utility providers so what could a scope of work actually look like for that and again we worked hand inand with the facilities team they gave us some guidance on things things that they
might have already addressed or preparing to address but a lot of the scope decision making we took on our own in this case um we wanted to understand well what are the things that we know are going to generate utility and operational savings what are the things that we know have free and available
funding out there that the cost can be covered so the school district can take on larger capital projects a lot of the items you see on there you don't see or feel but especially under mechanical and electrical equipment those things are extremely expensive um they degrade heavily over time and
those are the things that schools hospitals counties and cities need the most so how can we fund those with other items that are going to help get them there without an upfront contribution from a school district or going to your taxpayers that's how we came up with that preliminary scope of work on those four
schools this financial summary you could call it a financial summary there's no costs on this page this is simply what the savings projection opportunity could be so the Topline data in green that is a rounded range of energy and operational savings that could be generated based on the four schools that
we looked at as well as the life cycle savings associated with it this is over a 20-year term based on ashray standards for equipment that is inside of that facility I includeed on the right side sort of just a a visual to be able to highlight what savings and how they escalate as they follow utility rates
over time and then below is the very similar chart the only difference in the chart below is the inclusion of a renewable source being solar and the only reason I included solar in there is because of the tremendous impact it does to the cost savings on top of this
between ITC credits that are out there tax incentives it is the cheapest that it has ever been to afford this especially for commercial properties as well um so we've been very successful in capturing 30 to 50% cost deductions on solar panels to be able to impact a
savings potential like that so you can fund a lot of your top mechanical and automation need needs that are desperately needed I believe that is all I have I'll beside some next step and just discussion thank you so much for for the
time and the extra time we appreciate it questions yeah thanks so much for your it made a little more sense listening to you talking about it sure um because there were a lot of acronyms in there tried to yeah you did good you did good
um so I'm understanding that we need to fund and proceed with an investment grade audit first and that it costs about
$300,000 is this to the state or is this to Snider Electric so the contract that you have is the state energy office's template contract but it is between Falcon and Schneider okay that's a great question and then wow 20 years of
financing that's a lot that's a long time doesn't have to be 20 years of financing sorry to interrupt you well that's fine let me know if there's something better we can do because that that's long um it's also recommended that we go
ahead and proceed with the Energy Service performance contracts but I couldn't really ascertain what what that cost looks like um I know you didn't have numbers on there for it but boy that would be good information to kind of have an idea on
and with all due respect I'm I'm not trying to be rude here but it appears to me that these service contracts would pay Schneider who identified the work to complete the work that Schnider
identified does that make sense so we essentially serve as the general contractor for this work so we would be the ones that are as we're measuring and verifying the Energy savings we're also bringing on the subcontractors the site superintendents are all in-house to us so we designed and build this project
entirely so that's where the so but this it still kind of goes to you as the the main guy not the subcontractor correct well the subcontractors are paid absolutely I mean the project price and the contract is with Schneider Electric but we we pay our subcontractors
accordingly okay um how much of this work can we do ourselves if if I can clarify also the the they have what we call open Book pricing you get to see all the sub contractor pricing okay so that you're it's all that data is available and you're able to see it
during the EPC development process the the energy performance contract process and also another thing is that the equipment has to be has to last as long as the financing yep so that's part of the the state law says that you can't
wear out your equipment in 10 years and still be paying it for it for 20 years so that's that's part of the the how the legislation is written and I think I think the next question is for me I heard the first part of it um I was just curious how much of this work can we do ourselves I mean can
we maybe split it up and just get the IGA and then do the work ourselves I'll give you a for example um that's not the most efficient way to do it but one of the things that we did we were able to do is that we won't have any uh LED
lights within this uh contract cuz we did that part ourselves but we don't have the expertise and the uh insight to be able to do uh energy monitoring with a with the Fidelity of this group we do it so on a physical thing where it's plug-and play we pull
out the uh fluorescent lights plug in the LED lights we can go out there and look what our energy bills are and what the savings is so that even if the rate goes up for the Energy company we still know we're having some savings because if we did nothing and the rate went up we would be paying even more um we're
already in that process ahead of other school districts because that when the law comes in effect January 1st about not being able to buy sell or trade um fluorescent light bulbs in Colorado we're already ahead of that game and that was a great thing we were able to do but you got to understand um being
able to do energy performance is not our skill set in operations so we need to bring in a specialist to be able to do that more efficiently than we could director Hy so I've been involved in this from the beginning you might remember me from
when you came out to to make your pitch um so um Dr Fletcher just for um for background uh correct me if I'm getting these numbers wrong but we have approximately $150 Million worth of deferred maintenance for which we
currently have allocated approximately $3 million a year for projects yeah what we've done we've been able to do some work with fun 49 and Bruce Brown will bring that to you next uh next month after next in November but yeah we had uh our our assessment of our master plan
so we can see what the uh things were we were around 150 we're around 138 now with some work we're able to do with a a blowtorch we got temporarily called Fun 49 we will never have that blowtorch again conceivably so what we're looking at right now is if we had to enumerate
with $138 million of deferred maintenance looks like it's 46 years worth of deferred maintenance and we throw $3 and A5 million dollar at it each year so that's one mechanism we had get getting money through the general fund through the board authorizing that what we want to do with um industry
performance Contracting is we want to make another source come in to be able to do that because the interesting thing about deferred maintenance is also addition by subtraction I don't want to get too and too complicated in the math with that for example one of the big expensive things we have is modulars if we able to subtract modular there is
more than just the and put some replace it with something like a permanent building we can get a little more asymmetrical or or um savings on that versus just linear it doesn't just like we take out 2 million it becomes 2 million it might be 3 million so what
we're doing is this is one strategy that I believe is effective um we'll be we'll still be doing Effectiveness things on our sides that we need to do but yeah you're exactly right if we were able to keep defert maintenance at the same level for five years that would be a win
that would be something that most people can't do so we have to go against it attack it we have to make sure we modernize some of the things that would happen through the energy performance contract would be replacing some of that equipment as 13 years past its um effective date and that kind of thing so one of the ways to characterize
this program is essentially when all is said and done we are getting some work that we can put towards that uh deferred maintenance and the net cost to us is nil and what the value add for a Schneider is is that
number one they can um they can do that audit and so they can give us really good information on exactly how much or very good approximations of how much Energy savings we're going to get for these projects that's not an expertise that we have in house also they're going
to go after um grants for us that we you know we would have to spend you know many many hours researching um uh applying they already have that knowledge in house because it's something that they do um and then it's really important to understand too that
this is a three-way partnership so we've got Schneider who is coming to us with recommendations and saying these are the projects that we think uh align with what you're interested in and are going to give you the most bang for your buck our facilities team who is really good
and has led many projects they're going to be able to evaluate that and um see how that matches up with our district priorities and then we also have the um office of energy who is providing an oversight mechanism to really make sure
that everybody is getting value out of this so just as uh you said if if you promise US $100,000 a year in savings and you only deliver 90 then the the rules established by the office of energy established that Schneider has to
make up the difference and make us whole what hasn't been mentioned is let's say that we exceed expectations and we get $110,000 worth of savings we can put $100,000 toward that that debt and the rest is ours to reallocate as as we
choose so we get to keep the Delta so um it's a really great project uh really great program um especially with the office of energy you know providing us that layer of protection um really it's a very very
very safe bet may I add one thing to that in every project that I've been on as a uh as a conservative set of Engineers that are on our board where we're saying hey if we're setting a guarantee we don't write very many checks we've always seen there being a
positive cash flow associated with it you're not going to see down to the penny every single year the ex the extent of associated with it so great point though I'm glad you mentioned it and just going to Deb's original question on that is that being that it's budget neutral there' be no incentive
for them as the general contractor to inflate things because they would end up paying for those things they inflated I'm not saying conflate things I'm just saying when you have cost it's not nil
no no director Li right okay so I just want to make sure I have Clarity and others who've kind of asked me things have Clarity on this too the 294,000 for the initial audit is not a check we write to you if we agree to do the
project yes that that money then only comes out of what we do pay it but we pay it only out of savings yes that we make on the project if we make no savings on the project we're not we're still not paying you that money because
you're writing us a check back to then give back to you so it ends up being neutral to pay that $300,000 bill that's correct correct um so that's why we can say this is budget neutral is that as long as we agree to do the project we actually never write that check that's
correct Miss other than it comes out it becomes a part of the payment plan but a part of the payment plan that's only out of the savings so it doesn't come out of our operational budget right or a new it isn't a new ex like it is but it's not I'm I'm trying to think of the right way
to say it so if my electric bill is $300 a month and I'm saving instead 150 a month my payment can only also be$ 150 a month because it can only match what my savings is to you so my most money out
of my total pocket my from My overall budget look it's as if I didn't change anything yes where I'd get a benefit is if I was paying 300 bucks a month for utilities I have to pay you 150 a buck 150 a month for the work but now I'm
only paying 50 bucks in utilities now I still pay you the 150 I get to keep a 100 extra if my utility bill doesn't change you pay me the 150 you said you promised and I send you the 150 back to make my
payment so my budget is still exactly neutral is that essentially how this works did you get that right but I mean like see because do you know what I'm so I really would like to interject because I think this is one where where we
shouldn't use analogies we need to be really really precise um we will have to finance the cost of the audit yes how ever because of the state program of which Charlie is a representative the terms of that
financing are are incredibly attractive we estimate just looking at the market and where the state's at and after the the drop in basis points we're estimating that that money would be available to us at about a 4% rate and and 4% money that not only not only does
the you know the 294,000 but the the cost of carrying that that financing can be paid off by the savings um we do not have and the business office would tell you and and kind of as their representative in this case I'll tell
you we should not write a check for the investment grade audit we are going to be we got two weeks left we are just just barely in the black on our projected budget our our enrollment has really stabilized in a good way we'll talk about that in two weeks but we
shouldn't be adding a $300 uh 300,000 ,000 expense right now and so the financing can get rolled into the cost which then gets paid by the savings and if the savings don't pay for
the cost then they pay for the cost the key question to go back and forth right they they eat it basically the key question is whether there are enough savings available if you take out LED
savings if we don't think we have bonding capacity to replace all of our roofs for example um and that's the analysis that we've been working really hard on and and I will I will trust um partly in the in the collaborative process that we've gone
through but but Lou and his team on on construction and uh facilities in particular they've worked really hard to understand whether this is net beneficial the bottom line is they they believe that it is there are some side benefits like it gives us real Clarity
on our deferred maintenance and it it it allows us to do some things that we don't have the expertise for but the financial terms of this are at worst neutral with many many more options uh of significant savings than options of
neutral right and I think that's kind of that correct what I was trying to say in a in a way that I was like I don't think we ever actually end up owing them $300,000 that comes out of anything else we wanted to pay for unless we completely chose not to implement the
project which would be not great so um right because that's that exit Bill if you say oh thank you very much but we're not interested then you have to pay them for the so this is really important because I as I ask their the paiges senior right to to this this group here
their their their senior representative that was at our last meeting I said if we decided not to implement the savings then is it worth doing the audit and she said no which is a great answer from a vendor that stands to do the audit like
they're telling us it it's only worth doing if you walk forward with it right exactly as she explained it it's like in it's like the candy in the store as you go out it's a loss leader for them if they do it that way this they work in the same okay I'm sorry right I just
like you know that that the my but the point would be the only only time in which we're actually writing a check where we end up instead of being budget neutral which means it does not impact any other project we have and doesn't take any money from those other projects
is if we said thank you very much we're not interested in Energy savings right um I would say you know and that slide that showed projected as an example was that your example just on the ones was that specific to District 49 that was to
those four schools that we looked at then when we look at that just your if that's the saving in one zone right in one year if you look at four zones you know two others of that are
about the same size and then one that's smaller um in one year then it's we're probably getting the Savings in the first year no actually I I I need to interject again and manage expectations that slide
which is slide 17 that slide is not actually a projection it is an example and that that's really important we're not Schneider Electric is not suggesting you're going to save $135,000 75 to 135 in the first year
that that scale and and this is something we talked about that is not a so if we come back next year and tell you well we saved $30,000 I don't want you to say well we thought the low end was 75 that that's not that's not what
we're seeing on screen it it it is at least visually a little bit misleading but it wasn't intended to be misleading it was just a visual just an example we talked about that if I may oh sorry yeah how specific is it to that
that information that's what I was tring to see this is is high level as you this is 30,000 feet in the air um we had about a month to walk the sites for a day look at an annual look at the utility bills um utility and some of the operational challenges from there in our
investment grade audit you are going to see exactly what that guarantee is in that first year and that's it takes that much time for our team to develop the resources and also has to do with the the cost prohib prohibitive so we'd have we'd have something that was was more of
an actual projection rather potential by then um because my my other thought on this and why I think overall it's a good idea to move is I think the two least predictable pieces of our budget in
terms of explosive cost and impact tend to be utilities and health insurance like they tend we have Personnel we can say okay we we we can look at our number of students and where that's going to go right we can those
costs tend to be far more predictable than what we have to pay in healthcare C average which tends to balloon to higher than inflation often in our budget which then messes us up because we're not going to get that ballooning from the state and I think energy is the same
because it gets so significantly impacted by differences in federal and state um energy policies which change every time we have a new Administration um so in that way it might be the smartest thing to
aim for in terms of trying to hit as much efficiencies as you can because we have so little control over what energy we will have access to and what the cost of that energy will be in the in a 20-year period because we're looking at I'm assuming you're doing
20-year estimates because a significant amount of the equipment would have a 20-y year lifespan that's exactly as Charlie alluded to that earlier we've watched utility rate escalation take a a really volatile turn over the especially since Co um a lot of utility providers
National but also Statewide are taking on carbon emission goals that are impacting the utility rates they'll be providing to their residents their commercial providers and so on and so forth so we that's part of our analysis as well is is the utility rate escalation in terms of volatility and if I could just add on to that too if we
can reduce our energy consumption then that reduces our exposure to that volatility as well that's my and like I said I'll never represent anything to you as the only thing we can do I mean you could give US $10 million a year for defert maintenance that's
that's a possibility go get that um if we decide to do nothing defer maintenance still grows so like I said I will never bring you this is the Magic's flashbang solution to something but this is something that has been shown to be effective gives us some capabilities and
also gives us some expertise we don't have and some you know some some Acumen with being able to do the grants so we can do our jobs and not have part you know part of our TB grants too so it has some upside with it too but you know it's like we said it's the haird dryer
he going to help us to keep the ball the same size or Shrink it it's not going to necessarily get rid of it we have to do we'll have to do other things but this is like you know not doing a bond so this adds no taxes and that kind of stuff so so this is not the only strategy to
assess and address the district's deferred maintenance liability no I saying this is not the only Str not the only Strat strategy to buy down our deferred maintenance like I said you could give us instead of $35 million a year to do deferred maintenance or our
capital projects you could give us 10 million but then we'd have to look at the budget to say what is it what is the net impact of five years of $10 million versus $3 and a. half million so what I'm saying is that there are other ways to do it some ways are more painful and there's also not doing anything at all which is also a
choice Juliet do you have any thoughts or comments no thank you Zane no thank you are there any other questions before we move on I'm still stuck on the 20 years
financing that's really sticks in my side yeah and uh of all of the options that we have in front of us they're are all going to involve some budget pain and what's really interesting about this solution is its budget neutral yeah yeah
where we might or if it's not going to be budget pain then it means we're reaching out to our taxpayers for a bond and they're feeling the pain they are anyway because grants are paid by taxpayers if there are no
objections no objections okay I can't move that forward so maybe with the meeting with Lou we can discuss it but I can't move it forward I know you three probably would okay can I get um voices on the mics yes
yes yes you thank you thank you for your time okay so this will be moved forward into action at the October 10th board meeting thank you very much okay we are on to item 1.6 proposed
casby resolutions and direction to board delegate okay so after um telling up the votes you can see the ones that are unanimous um to support so I guess you guys can just
discuss amongst each other if you agree and I think there was only three or four five that you need to fully discussed to see if you want to go for them or you know because they were
neutral well I have a question yep um are we having that other meeting October 4th in to finalize this yes sorry okay so I did have one comment because on one of them that I wanted everyone to think
about because one of them was a resolution to support increasing the amount of um time in school and do you very nicely didn't put down the names I am the against and I'm going to tell you exactly why and that's
because nowhere in there does it say with funding okay and so when it says let's in casby supports increasing the amount the state's required instructional hours um I believe without commensurate funding
that would require us to ask people to work more hours without commensurate increase in pay so becomes an unfunded mandate so when it's discussed at the casby level um I have no problem saying
let's have kids in schools more if some somehow we're also going to have more money to pay for the people who have to be there to teach them um yes our teachers are saled but they have 181 day contract and we're not going to add 20 days of contract and not add 20 days
more pay and then we have plenty of hourly people um I think there are two against there there were for support two against um I I'm the other against and the reason I'm the other against I I I have I have so I I concur that it's an unfunded mandate and it's the kind of
mandate that usually get passed on to teachers invisibly by lengthening the school day slightly and so we we we we take it out a drop at a time instead of a pint but we're still we're still taking um and so that's the reason but
the other reason is that our calendar is so distinctive in in District 49 that any manipulation of the calendar is a risk and given the significant Improvement I don't think it's a Time
issue I think it is a performance issue on my part on the zone and principle leadership team and on classroom leaders that we call teachers I think we can perform better within the time so those are the reasons that I that I was not supportive of of this your yours is a
little bit more um mine's very direct boy everybody politically would say yes let's make kids go to school more and then they're going to be like m have fun everybody who has to work longer days longer hours and although teachers are salaried perir professionals are not
salaried secretaries aren't salaried anybody who's an hourly employee we're paying hourly rates our cost goes up our budget doesn't go up so raises no longer happen because we no longer have the money to make raises and we further burn out a field where we're already having a
hard time recruiting so this is like a disaster in the making because politically it sounds so great to so many people so I can see people latching on and saying sure let's do it yeah there will be no money because there already isn't enough money in the state
budget this you know the the financial information that has been coming through is they have less money coming possibly than they thought they were going to be or less robust growth so very very very very simply like literally 15 seconds uh if you project out five years we're in
the best year it gets worse worse right really worse and really worse so so that's a recipe for absolute Financial meltdown um because they will pass it I guarantee you it will be passed on to districts without any money um the state
won't have money to give us so um that's why I'm against it because it it's the it's the train it's the train coming to hit you right smack in the face of all of the Good Intentions that end up having really unintended consequences that hurt so anyway So Others May kind
of want to think about that piece um and and bring it up bring up the fact that it creates an unfunded mandate when they're debating um because we can cry all we want when we go up there Medicaid and education already the majority of the state budget they have very little
flexibility too so what what I said off Mike is Medicaid is eating the state budget and that's why they project that the next five years it gets worse and worse and then that and because of the new legislation so the repeal of Gallagher started to restore the balance that used
to exist between State and education and local funding for education and because there was political pressure to then readdress the fact that Gallagher was repealed to try and control the growth of property taxes that has negatively impacted the state's budget because local share is now isn't
going to grow the way in which it would have if that legislation hadn't passed in the emergency session in in the um in the legislature so so it's a complicated mess but um this this sets us up for
Worse anyone else discussion uh director Hal yeah so I was a provisional support um but that was based uh that was uh awaiting answer to a question that I I didn't get uh answered so um how many instructional
days do we currently have in our calendar we have 17 72 but some of those are student contact days you and I wouldn't call them instructional days because their assessment days or they're or they're um allowed to be counted even
though they are conference days and so the actual number is closer to 165 all right um ready to move back into the against column and the state controls hours not days so um that's why Peter said well the nightmare would be
then people would add hours so the reason some school districts can run four um four day school weeks um isn't because they run longer into the year it's because they run much longer days and that's what they would start doing everywhere to meet the new hour requirement I and I and educationally it
does nothing for you there was a time one of my last year's teaching in d49 we had to add three minutes per class for the last couple months of school so that we could make up snow or something um I guarantee you I didn't teach more extra
chemistry in 3 minutes per class there was no educational gain in actually making up the time that way it checked off a box and that's similar to the way this would end up being implemented yeah so I basically went into the um positive column based on an
assumption that we were already um in compliance with the recommendation so now understanding where we're at um I'm not ready to take on that additional budget stress any other items that we want to discuss before the October 4th
meeting um will that chart still be active for us to change our responses yeah it's still active right now perfect so then we can go through and change anything that we would like to change okay I think we're good
then you do have to vote on this for the 10th okay so if there are no objections this will be moved into action at the October 10th board meeting awesome we are on to thank you Lynette yeah we're on to 1.7 resolution
opposing recreational marijuana and I'm up yay okay I'm going to go ahead and read something that our board president uh Lori Thompson had sent me on um the
rationale for why um see here actually let me read the resolution first let's do that anyone want to read the resolution or should I just go for
it I'll go for it okay cool uh resolution opposing ballot question 300 whereas the safety of the children of d49 is of Paramount concern to the d49 board of education and whereas Colorado ballot question 300 is on the
ballot for the coordinated election this November and whereas voters in the city of car springs will consider the ballot question that would remove the ban on retail recreational establishments and allow medical marijuana establishments to be licensed as retail recreational
marijuana establishments without increasing the cap on the number of locations and whereas this measure will not enhance the safety of our children and harm is already happening to our kids from the re ready availability of other drugs and whereas it is
appropriate for the Board of Education of District 49 to partner with parents and other concerned community members to advocate in the interests of the children of our community and whereas increased access to higher potency substances is especially risky for the
Youth of our community as demonstrated conclusively by medical research summarized as recreational medical marijuana should this ballot initiative pass d49 students will likely experience increased exposure to high potency THC
our student safety is this board's top priority and the science indicates that high potency THC impacts the developing brain of our youth and adolescents just a few few very concerning examples of this impact according to the science is
increased risk to to psychotic symptoms and other psychotic disorders evidence of altered connectivity in brain Pathways IQ Point loss uncontrolled and repetitive vomiting cannabis use
disorder dependency dependence now therefore we The District 49 board of education do hereby oppose ballot question 300 and we recommend that all voters in our community vote no on this ballot question let me read what Lori
sent us okay these are her words not mine I mentioned this year but it's worth repeating I know of two former students of District 49 who experienced marijuana induced psychosis one fully recovered and one will be on antis psychotic
medication for the rest of his life anything we can do to minimize student access to marijuana is a good thing especially since it is far more potent than it used to be when they first legalized medicinal marijuana we had a spike of marijuana incident in the
district per Dave Watson he is going to get me some statistics on marijuana incidents in our school here we go even though our students would not be old enough to buy it it is still an enhanced risk hopefully those who have a card for
medicinal marijuana are a little more cautious around children okay discussion director H and so I am very sensitive to the the harm that it causes children um but that's not the only
substance that's out there that causes harm to children as we well know so I when I think about this one I also think about alcohol and I think about firearms and you know what are we doing to limit our students access to either
one of those really nothing right you can buy either one of them pretty much anywhere um now if this city ordinance did change the availability of
marijuana then I would support it but the the the resolution says that it will increase access and I don't believe that that's true because that Genie is out of the bottle we live in a state that has authorized it for medical use or for
recreational use and so it's 30 minutes away and I'm not a user but I know people who do and they go pay a visit to to a dispensary and they secure a six-month Supply so you know 30 minutes
6 months the availability is there um so I don't think that this you know we're not increasing the number of dispensaries because this um new me measure is essentially a compromise they say well we're not going to authorize any new
ones so only the ones that are currently licensed or if one closes down then another one can can be off authorized so um yeah there will be additional purchasing happening within the Colorado
Springs uh City Limits but instead today it's happening in manitu and the citizens of the second largest uh city in Colorado are you know subsidizing their budget and so if if I'm if I'm a
manager at uh Manitou Springs I'm really excited for this budget for this uh this measure but if um or this resolution but if um I represent Colorado Springs and most of my um director District lives
there um then I think that those dollars that the tax dollars that they're generating should stay in Colorado Springs director Olia right um the one thing I take issue with is it still says Recreation ational
slmed um if we're going to discuss recreational let's just say recreational rather than referring to both I have a very different opinion on recreational than I do medical having a family member who has a seizure disorder um and putting myself in the place of parents
whose kids didn't have it well controlled um without the access to medical marijuana so um let's separate the two not continue to convolute them um first um second where I look at it is yes we have
a lot of substances that our students should not be able to purchase under 21 and are having access and it is a having teens in high school currently that I'm observing the level
of access that I'm seeing already is unacceptable but I'm also seeing and have firsthand knowledge of places selling things like um nicotine Vapes to people who they should be asking an ID
for and aren't um and so my concern in opening the door of saying let's let the medical marijuana establishments also sell recreational is the more lack we make the regulation around each facility the more
opportunity it is for adolescents to more easily purchase because we're already seeing a difficulty in enforcing on things we have laws on the books for brought up firearms firearms um pistols can't be purchased till you're 21 rifles
can't be purchased until after the age of 18 we know kids are getting their hands on them um there are laws already in place for some of those things but it does it does reduce having the law in place to say not not until that age does reduce some but if we're already having
a hard time enforcing laws that should be protective of our children um on things that are already legal I am not comfortable expanding the opportunity for even more which is why I would be supportive of the resolution although I don't get to vote um I live
out in Falcon we do not have a medical dispensary out in Falcon either so the kids who are getting their THC in Falcon are getting it from people bringing it in from the city um who are accessing things um so um so I I don't get a vote in the
city piece of it but it does concern me to continue to rather than look at at the prevalence of access to THC in our Adolescent and even Middle School communities currently and that our
students have access to and the fact that obviously there's a whole level of things not happening um enforcement already until I see a step up on on the ability to enforce what's already there I'm not comfortable saying let's also
have another Avenue for people to access I I would need to see heck of a lot better ability to enforce by cspd and El Paso County um before I would ever be okay with increasing those substances and the substances aren't coming from the kids
homes I'm getting contacts from Plenty of parents saying we don't use in our house our kids getting it from elsewhere and I know the locations in Falcon where it's being sold illicitly from people buying it legally in town um some from the marij medical marijuana places and
then some buying it legally as recreational so um that's my concern and it's why I would support this because I do think the greater access the more access you have the greater problem and it really if we want to make it to the gun piece well if we're talking about
the more if people believe that the more restrictive gun laws are the fewer shootings we will have kind of the same thing the more restrictive our rules are around a substance that isn't safe for adolescent TRS um maybe the safer we can keep them so it's it's the same concept
in both areas for me Dr Schmid do you have anything no all right um I'm GNA we can always amend it so you brought up a good point of the
recreational retail uh versus recreational medical right well right and medical isn't even on the ballot right other so I think that's easy fix so I would agree that we should go ahead and fix that um I also agree
with uh director L wri on um limiting the number of access or the ways to access things is is the right way to do it um just saying that uh would they have access to alcohol or
they have access to Firearms or access to other uh other things that are harmful to them um why wouldn't we take um action in order to limit the access to medical or to um recreational
marijuana why would we just continue to open the door to Pandora's Box um and uh same goes with with alcohol um I would love to be able to limit the access to that for our adolescence because that does lots of damage on an adolescent
brain um and so so uh one of the things that is important to knowe is when our state decided to legalize marijuana and have the medicinal purposes Etc uh we did open this box and we're seeing the
effects of it um and I think it's it's been very detrimental to our state and our city and uh I would like to be able to shut those doors a lot more uh than we have in the past so um
this state is not the state I grew up in I also just have one other kind of minor philosophical that's just kind of my own yep go ahead personally philosophically I disagree with using Sy taxes to fund education I do not think that we should
say well sure go on ahead I I don't like using gambling Revenue to fund education I don't like using alcohol tax to fund education I don't like using pot tax to fund education I don't like
using ammo tax to fund education I think the two things should be completely separate and I don't think that we should benef I don't I don't believe my children should benefit from someone else's choice that could be harmful to them um that's just a personal
philosophical belief is that uh the use of a syn tax to to fund things for kids seems to me to say well we'll make things more available that expose them to environments that can be hurtful both because of addictions that the parents then suffer sometimes and to for easy
access to kids because so because then we can educate them better um it it it creates a dissonance in my head but that's just me personally um as a as a separate thing to this well to top that
off to top that off uh the supposed money that was supposed to come from from these taxes actually never came to fruition for our our education so when they say that it's actually a a mute issue it does not actually happen yes uh
director Schmidt I do agree with changing that you know amending the recreational and the medical part of it other than that I I agree with this yes yeah so um I just want to reiterate that this doesn't increase the
supply um or the the number of vendors those vendors are already under some very strict rules they have to um make sure that uh they're not selling Beyond a certain amount to um individual customers they have to be checking IDs
if they are non-compliant they risk losing their um business license um and that's an existing thing that those companies are facing today so where do students end up getting their hands on these things that they're
not supposed to be having generally they're coming from adults who are legal purchasers and then make them available either you know intentionally or not um so these things are already available to
our students through the adults that are around them the if they want to get a hold of them they will um so like I said I I I disagree that this adds any new
avenues um it's just a short driveway it's like why would we not want to keep it strict because when you open the door I mean you're going to have people in there that don't have Med cards who are now purchasing you're going to have new purchasers so with new purchasers no
there won't be no purchasers there'll just be people who have to make a shorter drive to to make the same purchase they would have made well there are some people who are unable to drive that far they get it from other other avenues or people who pawn it off on them Etc and we're just anyway I think I
I think we're arguing a mute point at this point but um if we can get consensus on the mic because I do see that we have um objection possibly so here we go I have no
objection no yes as long as you make the word change I suggested so yes was a yes to move it forward yes I did not word that right do I have consensus to move this
forward all right if there's um this will be moved forward to action at the October 10th board meeting okay we are on to 1.8 resolution supporting ballot question 2D oh man
of I forgot it's pulling up there we go whereas d49 is committed to the safety and well wellbeing of our children and whereas Colorado ballot question 2D amends the charter of the city of carado
Springs to add a new section 130 of Article 15 prohibiting retail marijuana within the City of Colorado Springs on the ballot for the coordinated election this November and whereas this measure will enhance the safety of our children
by prohibiting the operation of retail marijuana establishments within one mile of K12 schools residential child care and alcohol treatment facilities and whereas it is appropriate for the Board of Education of District 49 to partner with parents and other concerned
community members to advocate in the interests of the children and of our community and whereas this measure will inhibit access to high potency substances which is especially risky for the Youth of our community now therefore we The District 49 board of education do
hereby support ballot question 2D prohibiting the operation of retail marijuana establishments in Colorado Springs and we recommend that all villagers in our community vote Yes on this ballot question
discussion director H so I think the conversation on this has already been uh is already had but we did not hear from our students students do you have any thoughts thank you director H for helping me with
that um for um the resolution the past resolution I think from a student perspective I do support that one just because um I think we're already seeing a lot of students use um marijuana and so just any way that we can limit that
um is helpful and then for this resolution I also would say that it would be helpful and just to further prevent um students being exposed to um these sites where they can purchase
things thank you um for the past resolution sorry for the P resolution um I wanted to kind of like agree as well um I think being a part of like students working against tobacco we see not only kids using tobacco but also things like
marijuana I mean kids have like Vapes everywhere now and stuff like that so I see it all the time but I just think it's not a toy store like we're not trying to give it out more we're trying to prevent it so
yeah thank you guys for your comments I have a this one okay it says where is Colorado ballot question 2D amends the charter of the City of Colorado Springs to add a new section prohibiting retail marijuana within the City of Colorado Springs on
the ballot for the coordinate election this November doesn't it actually I don't know maybe I'm my brain I'm just having brain frog but doesn't it just prohibit the sale of retail marijuana within the city of Colorado
Springs period not just asking the question ever or not just the question this November I'm probably just over reading the sentence but I don't know that you need that last section
right Mr Miller would you have any thoughts on that like do you need the on the ballot for the coordinated election this November wouldn't you just say whereas Colorado ballot question 2D amends the charter of the City of Colorado Springs to add a new section of our Article 15 prohibiting retail
marijuana within the city of limits of Colorado Springs Springs period would be Springs period more correct right yeah actually because it's a um because it's a whereare ass statement you would want to say Colorado Springs semicolon space
and and then delete on the ballot for the coordinated because you reference the the ballot you reference the question so you shouldn't have the other part on there right otherwise it sounds like you're just opposed to it being on a ballot that's exactly going same thing he just said yes I didn't catch that on it
okay do we need consensus to change that or we it it's what we call a minor repair okay so you can make a minor repair between now and when you take this up for a vote and especially because this is a resolution as opposed to a policy
it really yeah lessens the you know the perfect okay any any other discussion no any [Music] objections I'm a no all right um can I have a consensus
to move this forward yes no yes yes all right that will be moved into action at the October 10th board meeting yay
okay are we concluded yes hey okay okay well this is like a discussion that isn't for the meeting what exactly are we discussing in our meeting that's Zoom October 4th for the amount of time we have alloted this was for
you um everything that's on the form double-checking it and uh anything that might come up between now and then because you might have more understanding of it and things like
what you just said that are helpful for me to write down so when I'm at casby I can be like this is this is what my board feels I would love to have those thoughts cool we are adjourned at 9:25
but I guess we don't have to do that for a work session nice job Jamie Lynn nice job