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Part 1 (Video ID: VPhZhv1JyZ8):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Agenda Overview: Minutes, Dogs, Retirement, Contracts
- 00:01:04: Public Comment: No Comments, Moving to Meeting Minutes
- 00:01:21: Approval of Past Meeting Minutes from March/April 2026
- 00:01:58: Dangerous Dog Hearing: Legal Notice and Introductions
- 00:05:00: Complaintant Rafferty Describes Dog Entering Property
- 00:11:26: Dog Owner Conit Explains Dog's Playful Behavior
- 00:17:55: Board Member Discussion: Dog's Temperament and Surrender
- 00:27:35: Motion to Continue Dog Hearing Pending Surrender
- 00:32:40: Annual Appointments: Review and Approval of Committees
- 00:35:45: Annual Town Meeting Articles: Reviewing and Supporting
- 00:40:54: Retail Marijuana Discussion: Board Takes No Stance
- 00:45:55: Motion to Support Specified Town Meeting Articles
- 00:47:10: Trinity Ambulance Contract: Approval and Response Times
- 00:55:22: Route 113 Complete Streets Redesign Contract Approval
- 00:58:59: Comprehensive IT Management Services Contract Approval
- 01:01:04: Executive Session: Cyber Security and Minutes Review


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public comment followed by the approval of meeting minutes from March 25th, March 27th, April 27th, all of the year 2026 to then be having a dangerous dog hearing followed by annual appointments. Then

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the retirement recognition for Joan Ferrari, board of health agent. Um, annual town meeting articles review and votes of support and the Trinity ambulance contract. We need to review and approve

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the route 113 complete streets redesign contract with GPI Inc. comprehensive IT management services contract with Umbrell Technologies and then we will be going into executive session um which we will not be coming back into public

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forum after that. Um but it is pursuant to Mass General Law 3A section 2A7 purpose 7 to review and approve executive session minutes and determine whether such minutes should be released. So that being said uh we'll open up for

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public comment soon here to speak anything not on the agenda this evening there being we'll move on. All right, minutes. Three sets of minutes. >> That looks good. >> I must say, too.

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>> Okay, I'll take a >> motion on those. >> I move to approve meeting minutes from March 25th, 2026, March 27th, 2026, and April 7th, 2026.

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>> Second. >> In favor? >> I Thank you. >> Okay, so the next thing we have here is the dog hearing. We there's a procedure that we need to follow for this, so bear

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with us. not done many of these but um hearing so do is I will open the meeting for the the hearing

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and Jason you have a legal notice for us to read. Thank you. Um, notice on Dunville dangerous dog hearing notice is hereby given that under general laws chapter 140 section 157 Dunville hold the dangerous dog hearing on Wednesday May 6 at 6 p.m. at Dunville

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Town Hall 5 to determine whether the dog resides at 340 Watford Street. All interested all interested persons are invited to attend. Jason Sus administrator.

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Okay. Um, is Jody attending? >> She's not here. >> Is she coming? I don't know. >> Well, I think we have a report as well, right? Information. >> In the meantime, while we're trying to

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track down Jody, um, next person, um, Mr. Robert Raperty the complaintant need to swear in before sue swears tell uh tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth. Thank you.

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>> Then we have the owner and representative of the dog um Susan Brian Conit tell the chief treat. Thank you. There's me. [laughter] I do.

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Um, >> yeah. I was going to say, is there is there anybody else here who will be having so put this here? You may as well. >> Chief, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing with the truth? >> Thank you.

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>> Carolyn, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing with the truth? Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um I was hoping Jod would be here. She

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could have started with her input, but I guess we will start with um Mr. Rafferty. >> Okay. >> See the video? >> I have not seen the video. I did not see a link on it. I was not able to retrieve

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it at least on If Eight. So this was the latest. Finally going to release some biome. As soon as my girls out near the school, heading out of the driveway, we catch the school bus for a giant

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enslave. a magnetic thing to physically and bark the dog. Sorry. Well, so here we're all part of the community seem like a genuine kind person builder in the community. Um I want to

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be this is a difficult time. I want to be really clear. Uh, my goal is to keep my kids safe in our yard while they drive. Keeping them safe while they catch the school bus, keeping the neighborhood kids safe when they

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come over to play. I'm not asking for a to be punished. I'm asking for a to be safe. >> But I ask you just to speak up a little bit so everyone can ask. or abandon students to survive error that she be trained and fully disclosed

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before adoption. So other families are not the risk. What you saw in the video was a little bit better and was naked. No one got hold and thankfully no major scraps or bruises or worse kids.

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Jod's not here but defer to the board uh who may or may not be well over these matters uh to make a recommendation designation based on the facts and recommend appropriate corrective actions that fit the circumstances.

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These are the facts has entered our property dozens of times when we pass running over and knocking down patience. She's terrified of then causing him to flee and scream, sometimes making it to

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safety, many times not. In the video, Maple makes three separate attempts to reach my youngest daughter. She su successful at least once one of those attempts. Maple does not disengage even though boxer. She does not command. This

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was one of, as I said, better outcomes because my kids managed to get stay on their feet and not get run down continue to enter and behavior that threat from my children safety. At some point, it will just be bruises and scrapes and emotional damage, not

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willing to wait until it's off that bring us to the town. We started documenting in Gers uh since January 2025 because he's got a problem with a safety concern. I've spoken to accountants four separate times,

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including indicating my kids were being hurt by people and was very clear with Brian that if it continued that would involve law enforcement acknowledged the problem continued to grow clearly and continue to knock down the children has also spoken to the

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comments on multiple entering their yard and downs. Even the schoolless driver is yelling for comments from Maple being and potential to cause a car accident as she runs into the rain. These accident

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reckless disregard comes into the dog and terrified of the children. We ask the con to fix the situation and nothing happens. a large dog exhibiting behaviors around small children to the serious safety risk and highlights the needs of containing a

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trip have told me they're considering surrendering Maple to the MSPCA so she can be adopted by another family if Maples surrendered without appropriate designation and disclosure the next family will have no idea Maples would be knocked down to her children that

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creates two problems put another family especially when children are arrested it creates a liability for the town and the governments for transferring on with no dangerous behavior without disclosure. Last slide to assess and recommend

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program designations and actions to save kids. Personal opinion is to be that receives professional training is contained at evaluated with physical barriers and properties and the choose to surrender a can only disclosure

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appropriate restrictions. This is not about function. that are very serious injury to my children or someone else's my children deserve to feel safe in the honor and any future family deserves similar truth behavior. I respectfully ask this board to take actions that

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protect public safety. [clears throat] >> Thank you. >> You learned from Jody. >> Yeah. trying to see if we can get her on on phone because she had it on schedule for for tomorrow night. >> Okay. Thank you, Mar. Um I guess we'll

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ask it to speak to her side of the issue. >> Yeah. Um so just a couple I guess comments. Um we've lost 53 3 lb her last

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appointment where she was um weighed so she's not lb but she and the big dog especially next to three small children. Um I also have three small children. She plays with our children all the time and she has never been aggressive with them.

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Um, I believe that it's true that she does. Um, well, I know she gets very excited with kids and when a child starts screaming, um, she hates, you know, oh, we're playing and she's very rambnous. She's a young dog, but we get

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people in and out of our house all the time. So, I would say she's a very rambunctious dog. She's an extremely friendly dog. um to people that don't know her well, I can see how she would be scary, especially to children. Um

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we've taken measures to keep our dog on our property. We have an invisible fence. Um, unfortunately the invisible fence collar malfunctioned. Um, a few months after we had it and we

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worked with the company, they had troubleshooting, but for a while we were trying to figure out what was wrong with it. The company was working with us. We ended up having to send it back. Um, and those were some of the times that these folks saw the dog in their yard. We

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really didn't know it wasn't working if it hadn't been for people saying we know your dog is in our yard but her collar's on. Um so we you know we tried to keep her contained in our yard. Um again I have three children. Um yes the dog has been

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let out and the most recent time um the dog did not have her collar on which is why she was in our yard. She plays with our neighbor's dog um every day. Um or at least she used to. Um and they're best friends. She's never got another dog she doesn't like. She's she's just

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she just wants to play, but it's not okay for her to be in their yard. Um I have a paper here. We are surrendering the dog. Um we decided to surrender her before we knew anything about a police report, before we knew anything about a

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hearing. um just because we felt that, you know, we don't want to have conflicts with our neighbors. Um I notified them, I walked over, I told them um that we would be surrendering her. Um when you surrender a dog to

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MSVCA, you have to go through a very indepth process. Um, they want to know everything about the history, obviously, all the records, um, why you're surrendering her, if she has any

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behavioral problems, um, if she's ever been, if there's ever been neighborhood complaint about her. So, they are aware of all of these things. Um, and so I guess to address that concern about, you know, potentially a another

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family getting the dog, um, they would know, you know, the whole history about the dog. Um, I guess I can't stress enough that she she's very very playful, but she's never growled at anyone. She's never bit

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anyone, but yes, she does, you know, get excited and jump on people. And um I guess at this point, I'm just hoping that, you know, the rehoming will put them at ease that their children, they

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don't have to be concerned about this. I don't know if we want the um or if it matters, but >> probably good to have for our records. >> Yes. This is just the uh application and then the confirmation of the date of when she will be surrendered.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> So, next Wednesday. >> Yeah, they have about a month long waiting period. Um so, I contacted them quite a while ago, but um they have to get records from their dad, you know, and they have a full waiting period. So,

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any luck or take a look? >> No, I wasn't grateful. I don't I don't know that I'm going to be able to. >> So, Mabel, she has no she's never bitten anybody or these children or your children or never had any never any.

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Um, she loves to play. Yeah. So, she decided, >> you know, give up the >> We have a golden doodle in the family that's like that. We all have to protect my mother when the dog comes in because she just >> very excited about being protected.

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>> Was there ever any aggressive behavior? Like I >> grew up with animals. I didn't >> Yeah. She's not her down the bus. If I'm holding people, she'll drag me too if she's going. I go with her. Hey,

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if she has a call on, which most times she has not had a call around when she comes to visit us. Um, it's just intense behavior and it's responding to the page that come in. Um, you know, a dog on full speed at you as an adult was

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staring and as you know, children staring. I would say last year when this was happening, she did nip. She was very much a company at that stage, but she was nipping and she's at the base level of my one-year-old at the time. And so, she was nipping at her. I mean, it's

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puppy behavior, but they're small kids. We don't have a dog for a reason to get this much life. You know, I don't want to deal with it. You don't have any issues with the girls when they're swearing.

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>> But you tell them to sit in his bed. >> I used to sit on that all the time. I love it. She was very >> She was very shy. >> Yes. Really? >> They know to her run when the standing close to us. He's very shy, very timid

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and yeah, we wait in >> either to you. >> No, not really. I I you know >> I just want to comment that is um that when you have a dog and you have livestock and you have coyotes and foxes

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and bears around um and have the dog in the house all the time. Um coyotes pretty quickly. Um and [clears throat] so that is a reason for having the dog with a call with all that

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should work out and about otherwise livestock which mean last year and the dog bar and a bear doesn't like that

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so they trade and so forth. This is not to say that to defend Mabel and her rambunctious behavior. It's simply to explain why

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um there is no changing fence around so forth to keep the dog inside all the time. There's a lot to do with the dogs. Good to have a dog and that's not that's not my

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>> chief. Would you like to speak before the board? >> I just think the only respons in the reported five or six other officer. >> Okay, I'll bring it back. Karen,

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>> I think with these steps, the dog um is in the process of being surrendered. Um, [snorts] and I know there is a MSPCA process to that and um, you know, I I I have been aggressively talk attacked

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by a dog before and there's a very clear line of delineation when the dog's angry and when it's overly rambunctious like a puppy might be doesn't excuse it knocking down children and things like that or being sort of restrained to its own yard. Um, but I know MSPCA is very

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thorough in terms of their process and finding the right placement for animals that are in this situation. So, um, you know, I I guess a sixoot fence would do the same thing to me, but that's your goal. Um, [snorts] or our call if you

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want it to be. Um, but you know, that's sort of where my head's at. Yeah, this is just these unfortunate situ. It's just awful for us to go through this. I mean, we're all dog people, I think. And um but you know,

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safety is the first thing that we all have to consider. Um I'm not seeing that this dog is aggressive. I've been there's been no sign even in the video where the dog is there's no doubt she's chasing the kids

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down but in a dog friendly way. She's never bitten anybody. She hasn't bitten any of your children. She hasn't bitten your children but I'm not that doesn't diminish the fact that it's obviously very scary to you and your children. I am a true believer in a physical fence

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and it doesn't have to be a small fence. My yard is I have an acre and a half fully fenced in. My parents five acres is fully fenced in. I've done it myself because of these issues. So, our dogs get to run free in a very large space

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and yet be confined at the same time. Um I've had dogs that I just they would not I don't trust technology and batteries and the electric fence thing. and you've you've had your share

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of problems with it and obviously there's some consequences that she knows when it's not on and she's going to go. >> Yeah. And there are times when the dogs don't care and they're going to go through take the hit and then when it's

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time to come back they're like oh gez I can't come back because that thing's going to shock me. Um so I've never been a fan of the invisible fence thing. I just believe in physical fences and if this you know the BMSPCA

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um date doesn't pan out or you decide last minute I have to keep her that is absolutely something that I would want to see is a fenced in area not a confinement but a fenced yard um so that that doesn't happen. I don't

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know how she can jump. She probably can jump. So >> yeah. So, you'd probably want to go with, you know, something higher. That's the only way that I would feel safe that >> if you were to keep her that have a preventative >> Well, she's

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we're going to stick to the date. In fact, they know that >> we're on the waiting list. If for some reason somebody cancels tomorrow, she'll be gone tomorrow. >> Yeah. >> But they do have a waiting time. >> Yeah. And I know there is rigorous testing and temperament testing. And I'm

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involved with the Low Humane Society have been for 50 years and you know I'm very heavily involved that and I know the process that they go through is very rigorous. They don't just take the owner's word for it. They will do their own testing with dogs in their own environment in different situations.

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They checks for food aggression, resource guarding, you know, how do they deal with cats, how other little dogs, with children, with you know any circumstance. So even if you don't feel that they're going to be forthright,

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the MSPCA is going to figure this out themselves. So I don't think there's really um any thing to be concerned about the temperament of this dog being passed on without the future owner not knowing. Um there is nothing in here that makes

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me think that this is a dangerous dog. It is not a path that I am going to go down. I'm We just we had a similar >> Yeah. >> hearing it feels what like four months ago maybe for another animal for a while

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>> and that one we had we had a clear evidence of like physical wounds to other animals and that drew a line for I think several of us in terms of that's a nuisance dog. It was terrorizing the neighborhood and it was off leash and

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not under control. But that dog, we saw physical evidence. And not to say that your children aren't frightened, and I certainly respect that and appreciate that. >> But there was there's a difference. Yeah. Just to be clear, like >> other dogs being attacked by another dog

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>> and then a super jumpy I have a jumpy dog and they've got them took me a little while to get them under control, but I have. Um but it it there's a difference. [clears throat] Um >> yeah. Yeah. That's not a That's not even a d the dangerous dog is not a

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consideration here in as far as I'm concerned. Um moment I'm still not quite sure where to go. Making of a nuisance dog. Um >> I don't Well, they surrendering the dog. >> They are. >> Okay.

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>> As early as tomorrow. >> Well, it's the only thing that I and I get all I you know, believe me, we you're right. We've had a couple of those here. This is I think our third one in my time at the board and you know if they're going to surrender the dog um

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madam chair I think that this point we'll do a take no action and ask for them to submit to uh the town um documentation that the dog was surrendered um and and you know I know I

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I do understand this is difficult right you got to come here and have this discussion and it's not a conference ation is not always easy for people, but um I you know, I saw your videos. I read your your stuff. You know, I believe me, I I get it. But and there's always

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chance that the dog could knock someone over uh especially a toddler or a kid and then you break a bone and boy, that is difficult even under friendly circumstances. And um so the they've

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agreed that they're going to surrender the dog and I think that's probably um sufficient resolution to the problem and I would I would ask that we just take no action at this point. Uh Madam Chair, but that's just the way.

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Well, if I mean I would love to go that path and we may still I just want to note that if they were not surrendering the dog. >> Well, if they're not going to surrender the dog >> if they weren't I mean it's pretty clear it's going to happen. Um you've done the application you have something possibly set for tomorrow. If not you have a

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definitive date in which is going to happen. Yes, they'll have to take that off. Their teams just said I agreed to Josh who said, you know, um the date is pretty far out if there are cancellations and they say, "Yeah, you know, it it's worth checking. Sometimes

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that does happen. It's unlikely, but it'll be unheard of following that." >> Yeah. >> So, the next Wednesday Dave is sort of, >> you know, the latest she would be. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Echo. So I would kind of echo what Ron

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said and you know if we hear different then I think we have some actionable things to you know recommend with this uh animal owner and property owner about fencing and requirements as as we did with another um taxpayer in town. So um

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but I agree, you know, I agree MSPCA is very thorough. >> Um [snorts] they have their own guidelines. That's why there's a waiting list and a list to get dogs, you know, um rehomed with them. So, um, you know, in in the meantime, it's up to the property owner

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and the dog owner to take responsibility for them until they're in [clears throat] the care of MSPCA. >> Yeah. I mean, I thought So, I'm going to I'm going to move that the board no action at this point in time and and that we are asking the dog owner to

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provide documentation to the town that the dog has been um rehomed and uh the effective data that just give us some paperwork or something that says that that this has occurred so that we can have conclusion to this thing and

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and I I just don't think we would take any action action at this point. I think that's unfortunate, but >> do you want a second? Then I just want to make >> I will second Mr. Michael's motion. >> Um, one thing for us maybe to consider

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is instead of making a decision tonight, >> tell me if this is continue it. >> We can do that too. So that once we have the information the dog has been surrendered, if that falls through and again the last moment of I can't part

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with her, I love her or whatever. You never know what's going to happen, then we can go forward and make a decision at that point and maybe institute potential nuisance dog, >> right? We can So the motion will just be

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restructured to continue the hearing. um for two weeks. >> Yes, that should make >> um pending a resolution of the rehoming of the dog and >> Okay. And we'll allow you to hear from the animal control officer too, right?

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I I know, but I think at this point since they're surrendering the doll, I >> I don't want that to be the primary because there is an issue that is aside from enough for them to do that. >> I I completely understand. Trust me, I

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get that. I I am a absolute diehard dog person and I will trust my dog before any person at any [laughter] within reason. But nonetheless, um if they were not going to be and there's still an if because it hasn't happened

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yet, but I don't trust you and the paperwork, but there is always an if until it's actually happened. >> We do need to be sure that their children's safety is being considered. And if that if comes to fruition,

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I think there will need to have a second conversation about what what could possib should happen, >> the steps necessary as a result of that. >> So I think um I would like to go that route. >> That's fine. >> Um >> we'll just amend that motion to read

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that way and um go forward with that. >> Okay. >> So move. >> You got that Sue? Yes, I think so. Just let AI will filter it out for you. >> Got it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Is everyone happy with that? Do you

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think? >> Okay. >> Solution. >> Understand. Yeah, I understand. >> So, I think we have two possible pathways that will help. So,

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>> okay. Motion to close the hearing. >> Sure. >> I think we have to do a roll call, don't we? >> Michael. Yes. >> Jeremian. Yes. >> Basification. >> Absolutely. >> Enjoy your company.

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>> There's other ways I'd spend Tuesday night. [laughter] [clears throat] >> Thank you. So you didn't you didn't close the hearing. >> We continue. >> Yeah, I got it. We got it. >> Just wanted to make sure everyone was authentic. >> Okay.

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>> All right. Thank you all for coming in and for difficult situation here. >> Thanks. >> So we'll move on to the next on agenda item. All right. We have some What do we have

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here? Annual appointments. >> Yep. >> That's on the time of the year. >> It is. They're coming in. [clears throat] >> Okay. So, we have what do we have here? We have appointments for affordable

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housing. Okay. Community preservation committee. There are three positions there. Cultural council, economic development committ committee. Two, union school rehabilitation committee.

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Um and then subsequently we have John Hughes, John Hughes, Annal Darber, Joan Simmons, Jessica Price for the cultural council, DNS Dorus, Tim Dicola, and BB Wood. >> Excellent.

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>> Excellent. >> Okay. Any issues? >> No. Right. They're all >> just on top of this there's things that because I'm finishing up at I'm on like the one of the trust thing that so just

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be aware not that not that it's an active group by any means >> but there are a couple that I sit on that >> as liaison like appointee you'll want to backfill with whoever >> they will be put on the plate of the new person.

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>> I wish them all the best. God speed. [laughter] >> All right, that was painless. >> We actually didn't vote in motion then. >> Oh, well, someone's going to read the motion. >> I'll make a motion to appoint the uh affordable housing committee. John Hughes, Community Preservation

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Committee. John Hughes, Community Preservation Committee. Alan Starboard, Community Preservation Committee Member, Miss Jones Simmons, Cultural Council. Jessica Price, Economic Development Committee. Do Master Taus and Union School Rehabilitation Committee Tind Nuca and BB Wood for the terms as

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displayed on the piece of paper. >> Second. All those in favor? I >> Janine is not was not able to make it tonight. So, we're going to push that. >> We'll do that next time. She people should be here for that. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> She had a death in this county. So,

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let's just >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So, we will jump to the annual town meeting articles reviewing support for votes. >> Okay. So, the >> We've been through this. >> We always do this. Yes. The warrant is

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finalized. You sponsored the articles to place them on the warrant. Now it's time to take positions on the articles whether you support them, oppose them, or take no position on them. >> Okay.

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>> So, there are several that are, you know, typical articles that you generally support annually. Um, and then there are some that are new and different and interesting that I think um, you may want to review and

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talk about >> fourth town meeting article 4. We have a tally of what the stabilization fund will look like >> afterwards. Just >> people may say, well, what do we have in there now? >> Oh, yeah. >> They can go on the charity.

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just wanted to show my face. >> Thank you. >> For the record, Jody was here. [laughter] >> Oh, sorry. >> But >> they continue. >> Okay. I will be very mindful of what did I say? I'm so sorry.

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>> Oh, good. No worries. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um, so yeah, it's that that tally is actually um on the website right now. Yep. people can go look. >> Yeah. But it's also something it's a great >> look for the town. It's, you know, it's

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been a practice. It's a wonderful way to >> highlight some of the good work the town's been doing. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. I know the accessory dwelling unit's gone through planning boards revisions and amendments and Yep.

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>> Yeah. So, the accessory dwelling unit is um really was um drafted and led by the planning board. Um the article 18 we're recommending no action because it needs to be um

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tweaked. Uh the reddraft needs to be tweaked. So 18 no actions. And then 19 is the personnel bylaw. That essentially is just updating the bylaw to current practice,

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>> which is the select board's been playing with that role. >> Um because there just hasn't been a functioning personnel board. >> Um so that's what um what we're hoping to accomplish through article 19.

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Article 20 is um creating a new revolving fund. I know you know a lot of this, but creating a new revolving fund for COA program. 21 is 174 Pleasant Street, reszoning 51. Those um are um sponsored by I think all

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of them are are sponsored by the select board. I'm assuming you support. >> Well, 21 is by select board. The remaining are economic. >> Well, no, no, no. All the ones you >> I just went over it. So those are sponsored by the select board. I'm

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assuming that the board will support those >> for 19. >> Yes. >> Does it mention anywhere the town administrator being the representative of the select board in personal matters? >> So the five the current bylaws. >> Okay. Cool. >> So the current language does do that. >> Right.

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>> So then they're just linked together so they're not competing with one another. >> Correct. >> Excellent. >> Yeah. We we [clears throat] appoint >> we appoint town administrator to be the human resource representative or >> right

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>> um so yeah the the the remaining articles 22 23 24 25 and 26 are um those that are sponsored by the economic development committee which um I I just wasn't sure if you wanted to

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take a position on any of those or none of or whatever, but the rest I think uh you know >> I'm not sure I want to take a position >> they they they air closely to like a

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citizens petition. So I think they're not because they came from a committee but they're >> so I think it'd be to be mindful I think we just leave it alone. >> I think it's up to the town to decide on these these are some have some big impact and some do not. Let them I think

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as I said a lot of the let's just flip tone meetings begin. So >> is there going to be a presentation for these the economic development committee. >> Okay. >> There is yeah they've done their >> they've done their own slides they

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posted um people can go and look at them but they are going to um to present them on their own. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. is not going to take a position on whether or not we uh allow

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retail marijuana in this town. There's been a lot of debate over the years over the marijuana. As you know, it hasn't really been tested one way or the other. Um I I don't I don't feel we need to. I

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think it's up to the challenge. I mean, we, you know, we've had this discussion. I mean, those marijuana, those retail marijuana stores, Joan, I mean, there's a lot of them folding up. I mean, everybody thinks they're just going to open their doors and they're

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going to be flooded with business. That's not the way that panned out. And so, I think in this particular case, the we've electively decided just the town meeting made that decision. And I went to the the planning board

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hearing on these articles and you know I I I know how the bo the board voted on that and I personally can't say I disagree with what the decision was but at the same time the discussion that you know this is a

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perfectly legal business and we have allowed liquor store in town which I think it certainly the one in the town center district is adding a lot to the town.

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I'm not saying they're the same type of business, but they are both a legal product to be sold. And I don't feel it's my decision to decide whether or not I can pick and choose which business. Let the market tell, let the

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town people decide if that's it what they want. Um, >> and it's actually not it's a town. It is town meetings. >> December. >> We could say yes, we could say no. At the end of the day, it's still going to

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be the town to vote. >> Is advisory providing any thumbs up, thumb down of these things? >> Yeah. Advisory. Um, >> advisory fold over on >> advisory. Advisory.

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>> I respect that. advisory supported went on earth and supported each one of them. Okay. >> And then planning board uh supported all of them except I didn't let me get there. [laughter]

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>> All of them except for article 26. >> Yeah. I mean I I don't have a problem with us being challenged to determine if we want to take no act like offer no recommendation thumbs up or thumbs down. I mean, I I echo what you said. It's

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it's a legal product in the state. So be it. But >> well, it's it's a legal product in the state. But the question remains, you know, do we want to sell drugs to, you know, beef up our,

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you know, our our our children's, you know, money to pay for our children's education. You know, >> there is that circular conversation. >> It's a moral type of thing, I guess. And I just it just leaves a bad taste in my

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mouth. And as far as alcohol, well, alcohol has, you know, that ship has sailed. Okay, that that ship has sailed, but this one has not. So, we have a chance. Look, people can

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go to every town around us and buy their marijuana. We don't need to legalize it here. >> So, you can buy white, but you can't buy black. Or you can, you know, I mean,

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they're both legal products in the state. >> I don't want my personal opinions to be influencing one, the board or the town. It's not my role is to put my personal opinion forward. My role, I believe, is to make sure that

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the people have a voice. We we put this on the warrant for people the town to make a decision on this. It's not my choice. So >> the town made their decision, not >> I think the town's going to make their

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decision whether or not the board makes a recommendation or not. So >> otherwise the articles are good. So >> J, do you want us to move this? Is that what you're asking us to do? >> So, we want to >> And then this little this little note

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here, you want to put article 21 up here? >> Yeah. So, yeah. >> Okay. So, I'm not going to have it here. I'm going to read it up here >> and then >> 21 was sponsored by us. >> Yeah. I can add 21 and then leave the

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rest. >> Yeah. And I'm going I move to support I move to support the following town meeting warrant articles number 1 2 4 through 16

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17 ADU 19 20 and 21 second in favor I that. >> Okay. Should be good to roll then for Monday.

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>> Yeah, we're in good shape. >> I can't wait. Yeah, it's going to be fun. >> Going to be great. >> Did mine in three hours last night. >> Really >> record. They couldn't believe it. >> The town meeting. >> Yeah, >> it's shorter than your regular meetings.

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>> Usually three nights. >> Yeah. houses. >> Well done. >> We had room. >> We good. Next thing. >> Yeah. Um, [clears throat]

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as you know, we were working closely with the town of Chingsboro on establishing a partnership for ambulance service that, um, ended up being unsuccessful.

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So, um, we now have a contract with Trinity Ambulance in front of you. Um, it's a one year with two one-year options. Um, we haven't had a current contract with

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Trinity since I've been here. It was predated me. So, we should have a contract with them in place. >> And um, in the meantime, I just do want to note that the the fire chief, police chief, and I are still talking about

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solutions to the problem problem of ambulance service. Um so we're going to continue to talk to uh neighboring communities including in hoping that we can establish or

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reestablish some partnership to uh to advance. So >> have you had much discussion with Trinity? I have not verified GPS. >> I read through this, right? And and I I

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g wrong wrong, but I'm not sure. Our biggest problem with them has been from dispatch to on scene. >> Mhm. >> Right. It's taking too long. >> Right. >> Right. And when

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Trinity handled um Kingsboro's ambulance, >> they used to keep an ambulance at West Tech Park across from the mobile station. It was pretty good and now that's gone away. Okay. So, I'm just

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wondering if it's possible or not to put some bonus penalty in the contract that's going to say, "Look guys, if you make this time response time, um, and there are no extenduating circumstances

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like a snowstorm or whatever, right? and you make that happen um on a quarterly basis with some point scale. We're just having a discussion. You give them a check for some kind of money is and on the flip side of it is if they

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have a whole bunch of full bars and they're not making any of these calls, they're going to pay us. >> They would definitely not do that. >> You don't think they would do that? >> No chance. No. No. I mean it's a it's cookie.

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>> Yeah. It's simply because they don't generally speaking unless they're already in the area for another call. They're just taking some >> and I I just don't think they take a

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penalty. Sure. If we if we were just to say, "Hey, if you meet this time, we'll put some incentive to it." I mean that why wouldn't they do that? >> Yeah. >> They wouldn't take the opposite. Yeah. >> Um and we have had conversation with them. This

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was >> prior to them talking to Kingsboro and others in broad. But um we had talked to them about what would it take to get you closer and you know what would the what

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would the bill look like? And it was >> substantial >> way out of yeah it was very very expensive. >> So we have had that conversation um to put penalty in there for not leing a

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certain time they won't do that. >> Okay. Well, I mean, you know, when we have service vendors, right, like York and some of these others, you know, and they have response levels, priority one, priority two, service, they got to meet

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that criteria. And if they don't, you'll be and if they do, and they say, "Look, we've done a phenomenal job for you guys." >> Um, met every service call on time and and so we would write them a check. >> Yeah. So, you know, I I

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conceptually it works really well, but I I am only asking questioners because I don't know if that would work in this particular case and I really don't >> I don't think so. I By the way, I'm not saying if if you'd like me to kind of socialize that a little bit and reach

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out to them and see what they what their reaction is. I'm happy to find more. I'm happy to do that. >> You know, they are >> I guess there's no point of doing that. No, I I just kind of fly it by them and see what I don't think that's going to,

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you know, affect us here tonight. But, um, I I just put it out there and see if if they'll be >> Have you seen like this before or just that other business model you were talking? >> No, no. I've seen this before with us here. >> No, no, but I mean that bonus.

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>> Oh, yeah. We do it all time. Yeah, but with a you know >> with a first responding service >> the first responding services they're they don't know what really one day to the next what's going to be happening what they're calling >> and neither does a service company uh Johnson controls you up we call them

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8:00 in the morning say I've got five fuels in the building it's hot you got to be here in 2 hours and they do um and that structure works really well but at the same time like the bigger vendors get checks they can't get a

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check for in my world, they'll get a check for like 50 or $60,000 quarterly. >> Oh, that's not >> I I know. Just saying that. But in this particular case, we could incentivize them with some dollars outside or beyond

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the fees that they're going to collect. All I'm saying is we're just going to put a little cookie out there to try to get them to do something because at this point is this ambulance is either coming out of LOL or it's coming out of Trump's president. Yeah, it it is.

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>> No, that's that's true. The issue is the in the incentive that would be required in order for them to meet the response time they're looking for. >> I mean, >> it's going to be what we could do. >> They're not going to do it for a

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Duncan's gift card. >> No, that's something. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But doesn't hurt to ask, right? >> No. No, I know that's it. So, we're going to move forward with this, right? Um Jason, is this your recommendation?

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>> Yes. Um move to approve the ambulance service agreement with Trinity Ambulance for a one-year term with up to two additional

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one-year terms and authorize the chair to sign the agreement on behalf of the board. Second. >> In favor. [clears throat] >> Yeah.

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>> You saw that complete with new star. >> The the contract they um provided does say five starity. >> Pride star. Trinity. It says both. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Pride star. Trinity Trinity, but they're still operating as >> Trinity EMS. They've not given up that name. >> So, it's Yeah, they merged. Yeah, >> it's a lot to say.

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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, let's hope it goes there. All right. Route 113 complete streets redesign contract with GPI inc. Yeah, >> we had um

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as you know, we received the housing works grant for $475,000 to hire our engineer to help us begin the process of designing um or redesigning Route 113.

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We received a grand total of 14 proposals >> and and a lot of good proposals. pretty strong proposals. Um we had an evaluation we had an evaluation committee um that I put

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together with um Leah me and then two member two um staff members of them talk and um so we had a really good pro I thought it was a excellent process. Um, I had a lot of fun actually just

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learning about um some of the firms and hearing their ideas for Route 113 and a lot of kind of interesting input and creative ideas. Um, ultimately we interviewed like six or seven um >> seven

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>> seven uh firms and um ranked BPI won. Um, so, um, I actually have sent them the contract. They have actually already got it back to us signed. >> So, um, as long as the select board

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approves contract with GPI, we can get the project moving. >> I don't I I'm not going to have any issue with it. Jason's vetted this out substantially so, and so, yeah.

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We did. [clears throat] We're going to move. >> Okay. I'm going to move to approve the contract with Greenman Peterson Incorporated, GPI, in the amount of $52,900

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for the complete streets redesign of Route 113 and authorize the chair to sign the contract on behalf of the board. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> I'm going to abstain because they are under contract with me in another

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village. >> Oh, okay. >> After a difference in the price there, >> you just took Yeah, you you just took the words out of my mouth again. So, I was just going to note that the grant was for $475,000.

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You might remember that at special town meeting we appropriated $28,000 in free cash as the matching component of the grant that we were required to to match. So in total we have $53,000 um in place for the contract.

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This came in $100 on what we had. So um it's right within the budget. Funny how that happens sometimes. What a world. [clears throat] >> Stars aligned. Yep. Okie do. Next up,

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>> technology. >> Hey, right on Q. Doug just walked in, but um >> Hey, Doug. >> So, so we uh our contract with Umbrell expires at the end of August. Um, I put

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out a um solicitation for quotes um early just so we had everything wrapped up and in case there was a transition we would be ready we would be able to handle it with the time um that

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we have from now until then. Um as it turns out there will be no transition. Um the lowest responsible uh bidder is was umbrell at uh $39,000. Um we did receive 1 2 3 4 5 we received

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six um responses. Um but umbrella so this is a one-year contract um with a I have no issues with that. I I just got one question. It's kind of a >> Yeah.

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when when they got this email like >> did you get any push back from them? Was there any like >> uh no response? >> Not no response. Oh, see you later. >> No response. Um, I move to approve the contract with Umbrella Technologies for

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IT comprehensive management services from September 1, 2026 to August 31, 2027 in the amount of $39,000 and authorize the chair to sign the agreement on behalf of the board. >> Second.

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>> All those in favor? >> I I thank you. >> [clears throat] >> You're free to go. >> No, he's not. [laughter] >> Well, we're going to go on executive session to talk about cyber.

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>> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's that's it. That's next. So, >> anything else before we we're going to be closing short here public meeting? >> [laughter] >> I move that the select

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executive session pursuant to Massachusetts general law chapter 3A section 21A subsection excuse me paragraph 7 purpose 7 to comply with the provisions of the public records law and

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review cyber security strategy and planning and information technology systems. and infrastructure and further to review and approve executive session minutes and determine whether such minutes

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should be released. The board will not reconvene into open session following executive session. Second hearing. >> Ron Michael I. >> Leah Bazbane's I >> mean I

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will be [laughter] home.