Weary and we have the annual report on our green communities northern middle sex economic development district designation application. The letters support. Uh we will have an update from the chair of the historic commission regarding 273
high street. police chief here to discuss proposed stop sign locations. contract contract um for open space and recreation plan. The consulting contract at Nimco,
repairs to the library, a contract change order, union building exterior restoration, amendment to the contract for architectural services, an appointment of the conservation commission member of Bridget Pontrian. And then section 15 off premises all
alcohol license renewal liquor LLC the 238 cleans. So, is there anybody from the public speak to anything questions, comments that's not on the agenda? None. Move on.
Okay. Next up, we have the appointment of Theresa Olirri to serve as our treasurer and tax collector. Thank you very much. We're seconded to this position. That's very pleased with that. Reason to make a motion. Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, obviously she's highly qualified and we'll be sharing her with Pepro. I move to appoint Teresa Oiri as treasurer collector for a term to expire on June 30th, 2026.
Second. Any further discussion? Thank you. All those in favor? I I I welcome aboard. Thank you. excited to be here. You've got the best office in the building.
It's the coolest right now. Exactly. You don't have to endure the meeting if you rather go out and traffic like everyone else at 100. Fair enough. I understand. Good night. All right. Bye now. All right. The green community's annual
report. You doing that, Jason? Uh yeah. Um, so I'm going to kind of breeze through this and if the board has questions or anything, this is a requirement of the green communities program. Um, we joined
here today with NPC representatives um, Reggie and Michelle who, let's be honest, put this together for me to walk through. Um so um real quickly we all know NPOG um and I do I I will take this
opportunity to just say that we are very um fortunate to have NPOG as our partners. They are if you kind of walk around town or you walk around the projects that are happening in town almost every single thing that's happening or is a cue to happen has their fingerprints on it. So, we're very
lucky to have them as our planning agency and our partners um on a whole lot of things that are happening right now. Um so, thank you for that. Um so, as you know, we're we're a green community designated um we're designated green
community. Um we've used um the green community program in the past for weatherization projects, for LED conversions, and most recently in 2024. And I think in 2023 as well, we used it to help us purchase a hybrid
police cruiser. Um these are criteria for any and all three community um designations. They've kind of listed out some of our energy usage. As you'll see, town hall is our um largest user of energy in
town. um and corresponding heights um emissions. This is the most recent project we are currently um working with Michelle and Megan on um trying to uh
advance other weatherization projects. We just recently have engaged with National Grid and um I don't know what are they called but there are subcontractors that help kind of audit buildings and then make recommendations of how we can make the
building or each of the municipal buildings and facilities more energy efficient. And so out of those um audits come reports on weatherization, reports on systems, reports on controls. And so
we do have some recommendations. The first of which I think we're going to look to implementation recommendations for town hall for highway garage and for the lock.
That's all she wrote unless anyone has any questions or comments. That was our first project. Yeah. But what about within the buildings? I know the opportunity for Davis is going to be joining us to talk
about LED lighting. Yeah, I know there's some grant opportunities for that. I know that. Yeah. So, I did just want to note for the LED lighting, um the green communities only funds that for school
buildings. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. The only Can you repeat for school buildings? And I Is that new though? It's a fairly Yeah, they used to um that kind of was like a big project. A lot of towns when they first became green communities, that's kind of what they what their
first like low hanging fruit, I guess we call it. Yeah. Oh, cool. All right. I just figured Yeah. And we did, as you know, we're kind of working now on the street light stuff. So, there was a project. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, there's still
some stragglers that's need to be converted. So, that's something we're working on right now to to accomplish. Well, thank you for the work on it. Thank you guys for the work. I don't have any other questions. We have a motion we have to make. No motion. No.
Well, you do have an item on here. Coming up. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Next up, we have the Northern Middle Sex Economic Development District Designation Application Letter of Support. Do you want to speak to this or or not?
We can just Yeah. Yeah. So, this was something that we actually this is a renewal of an application. So we um this I believe we did this it was either 2423. So this is just renewing their application to um
for Northern Middle Sex Economic Development District designation to the federal government. So I they just in order to apply for this designation they need um a letter of support from each community in the in the Nepot region. Yeah,
I think it looks like they started in 2021. didn't cause apply for the ED status in 21 with support from the nine communities in the area. So may Okay. Do you need your motion? No, I
don't. And so just just from my understanding, this letter is going to get transferred over to Dustin letterhead. Yes. Yeah. I move to authorize the chair to sign a letter in support of NEMCOG's effort to designate the Greater Lower Region as the Northern
Middle Sex Economic Development District by the United States Department of Commerce Economic Development Administration. Second. Any further discussion? Question. Sure. Jones, what goes along
with that? Anything? I'm not I'm definitely not an expert on it, but the I I think part of the reason to endeavor to get this designation is to open up the world of grants, programs, technical
assistance, etc. Well, I have no doubt that that's the carrot. I uh I'm just curious as to, you know, what other uh
what we might be opening ourselves up to otherwise as far as Oh, we don't I don't we don't lose any local control. Essentially, just it creates opportunities for federal grants, though there are almost none available at this
current time. um which is a shame, but that's the hand we're dealt for now. Um and as a region, you can apply and go after them. So like in towns and I'm writing grants for them for FEMA, even though FEMA is about to be abolished, uh for like flood plane resistance and such
like that, but you do it as a region, sort of the goal with MRPC is who they're using. Um so just something to be a participant with and see where it leads. And I think it I mean it's not just for local grants. It also helps
them um secure grants for to support. Thank you. All right. All those in favor of I I I Okay, that brings us to 473 High Street.
An update from historical commission chair who's joining us remotely. You want to take anything out of contract? Um, she was on. She's on. She's just
waiting for She's What is she waiting for? For us. She's Yeah, we're there. We're ready. Yeah. So, I can hear [Applause]
I can't Is anybody there tonight? Yep, you're you're good. We're here. Okay, good. All right. Thanks, S. Um well, I just um wanted to provide a quick update. Um the historical commission met last Tuesday and we um you know I had
not uh the commission had not met since uh prior prior to the uh visit site visit and also the last time I met with uh you all. So um everybody is definitely uh very on board
with preserving the house and uh but a lot of questions came up at the meeting. We did not take a vote. Uh people I think uh had concerns about how this was going to be done. Um using CPA funds and
um Joan and I uh Joan cooked up a wonderful letter to Stuart Stuart at uh the community preservation coalition um and wrote in and I uh provided some questions that had come up during the
meeting. Um there were several questions you know first of all is this something that that can be done uh using CPA funds and is it possible to sell the property um with a
restriction? Um and then another question that came up at the meeting is um is it possible to use CPA um administrative funds for um uh putting up reservation restriction
in place. Um, and then I'm just trying to remember the other questions, but uh, Stuart I think is in process of talking. He's talking to Joan and Joe may know more and I think she's she's there, right? Yes, she is. Yes. Okay. Um, but
that's kind of where we are and I I sort of felt like the group was not prepared to go ahead with this until we sort of got some answers from CPA. Um and I know there's a precedent uh Joan shared that she had spoken or she
received an email she with with um with Stuart that that he does has there is a precedent that was set in Draet or the Richardson's farm and um there was an old house associated with that and the
town raised something like 2 million in CPA funds and purchased the the property associated with the Richardson the historic Richardson farm and uh put restrictions on the house and sold the
house after um they they were able to put those restrictions um on on the on the property. So um that's that's my update. Um and I don't know if you all have any questions. Joan, you might be
able to add more to this. I still have have not heard from from Stuart, though I expect to, but he's pretty good about um getting back to me. So,
uh right now, just what you know, you know, just what the email said and he shared, he sounded optimistic. He did. He sounded optimistic. Um, and that was that was pleasing. Um,
we were we were uh we were wondering if if the I I've remembered the other two questions. Um, could the money from the sale of the home with covenants be returned to the CPA historical reserve fund after the sale? That was a question. And then we also asked him the
question whether um there could be a potentially selling a house lot in the very back of the property as an affordable unit or at market price to recover some of the um CP CPA funds used. I mean that was another question
that came up in discussions. Um so um that's that's that's where we are right now. Um, and I'd like I I I invited Tim Joyce to come to the meeting. Um and he has been through this of course before
um having purchased from the um trust for public land the Ferrari farm house and he that was in tough shape and he restored that and um I did I did throw out that number of $500,000 to him and
he said you know I I did a lot of the work myself and I didn't he didn't come close to sort of spending that amount. But, you know, I I don't don't what the I don't I don't think that the I can't say what the how the conditions of the
two houses compare. Um so so they don't compare. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And um there I did call the realtor after the last select board meeting because I
wanted to find out get a sense of where uh what the septic situation was and the uh water the water source and she she said that it was the well in fact the well in the basement that the sept she
wasn't sure what what the septic was so she you know I don't I I I didn't feel like I got much from her. So, on that front and I'm hoping um I'd like to have another site visit with Tim Joyce and
take some photographs as well um to for documentation for the historical commission as um I think that's an important thing to do. Um so that's that's my update. Where are we? What's the timeline?
Jason, are you August 15th is the deadline. The deadline for us to notify them. So in two August 15th is the deadline to have authorization and funding requests.
Okay. Yeah. So between now and 15th we need to have a special town meeting. Yeah. CPC has to have a meeting special town meeting to approve purchase using those funds. Yes. We need two weeks prior to a specialty meeting to set that date.
So, yeah, the clock's ticking very quickly here. the the clock is definitely ticking, but I want I really want my my board on my board on on on board with um this whole thing and and a lot some of them some of
the board members did have some reservations and um I I feel that it's it's I I think Stuart's questions are going to provide them with comfort.
Did we ever get a a written report from the historic to whatever I can't remember his first and last name the person who went through that? I've thought a lot I have thought a lot about that and I think it's going to be very difficult to get a written report from
anybody because um you you know let's say the work turns out to be a lot more than whatever the person provided you know h I think I think you don't and I I I
don't think that's should be a a something that makes us shy away from this. I I think that there are a lot, you know, everybody's idea of a restoration is different. Um,
you know, um, I'm just trying to think of a good example. Um, for example, I I I live in a house that has one bedroom on the second one bathroom on the second floor for a family of four. and and you know that's
I think I think to to the level of restoration is a very uh personal matter and I think um you know are we talking granite countertops and you know modernday everything or are we just getting the
house up and running you know it's the costs are very different um and so it's hard to make a a an exact assessment of that and also one does not really know what um the
cost is going to be of a restoration. So and and the town would not be taking on the responsibility of research be the person who buys it that and and as Tim said he he he felt comfortable as a
person that uh was familiar with older buildings purchasing that property and restoring it. put out a certain number, right, or like a level like because the town's going to buy it to
exercise our first right of refusal and then sell it off to XYZ restorations for them to do the work and they have to we have to come to an understanding of what that number is so the town's not belly up. Right.
Absolutely. Um, but I think are we we're restoring we're we're preserving this house to preserve it because of the association with Amos Kendall. We're not preserving it to, you know, earn a certain level of I mean a
specific amount of money off the house, are we? I mean I I think what our mission is is to preserve the house as because of its association with Amos Kendall and the land around the house um
so that it it it stays you know it doesn't get demolished which which it will definitely happen if um I I have a sense of it um if if we just sort of walk away from this
as advisory board met to discuss this? No, no, it hasn't appeared on their agenda. Their last meeting, they did discuss it under new business because it doesn't didn't require any action. So, they did they have discussed it, but it hasn't been on any of their agendas
and we weren't at a point for CPA to make a recommendation to the select board who meets again next July 15th. And by that point, you're two weeks from a town special town meeting and two weeks to
fundamentally we're almost out of time. It doesn't give you much time to begin with. It's ridiculous. Um and I don't I don't I don't know. I because we did an assessment on the union building
and that we felt very you know people felt very strongly about that restoration because we had the time. Yeah, I I understand the differences between you know I I I I agree with you. I mean that's a that is an anchor um in
the center of town. That's an anchor building. it's it's uh its location is was is so important to preserve uh because of its location and it's uh community use. Um,
I I I'm you know, I I'm I I think if this was just an 18th century farmhouse that was located as it is sort of near the edge of the town, I
would say I would not be pushing for this. I think I'm I'm I'm I'm so I'm passionate about it because it it's of its association with Amos Kendall. There aren't there are not many people in town
his historical figures in town like him that um that you know uh sort of merit this type this sort of preservation. But I think do we want to let that piece of history go? I mean, that's that's what we're
going to be doing, I think, if we just walk away from this. Um, and it's a hard it's a really hard one. Um, so I mean, are there other ways to memorialize this house
that are significant, you know, not just a little piece of plaque that Yeah. Well, I've thought of I thought of a lot of things. I mean, could the house be moved? Could we kind of move it to another location somewhere? Um could
um but but I feel there's an association with the landscape. So that's a hard one to justify. Um um I mean I I know I came back to that concept. I know Mr. Chen you had a question um about creating like an open
space subdivision plan up there on the right hand side before you get down to where the cows used to be. And like that Larkin family buyer seemed somewhat curious about if they got a fourth building lot out of
it, they would save the house. Do we have any appetite for that type of proposal? And we can't. It's up to the ZBA to uh make a decision on that, but we could write a letter of support from the select board, right? And if they save
the house, they get another lot. Yeah, it's the car. We don't have the time. I I have asked on a number of occasions for something written from this family and they have not provided anything. Um, and I I feel that putting a subdivision
up there also sort of defeats the purpose of what we're trying to preserve, which is the farm as well as the house. The farm is such an important part of uh Amos Kendall's heritage and you know with 50 acres already preserved
at the the landscape there as it is or with surrounding the house as an agricultural landscape it's it's sort of tough to think of putting a subdivision there and keeping the character of that area. Amos Kendall Estates.
Oh yeah. I mean, right? Like, so Joanie, you just said Amos Pendle Estates, and you know, my my head goes to, you know, you have a little culde-sac with four, you know, 3/4 acre lots like you do on
some other subdivisions in town. You don't have the time. We don't have the time for anything, though. We do close, but you certainly don't have time for that. I don't think that you have a legal justification for it before the
CBA. I mean, the ZBA is going to do it job. um you know these it's um basically bishop and bank on uh
you buy it you sell the house with covenants you sell two acre lot and you keep the background lot as open space and you don't sell that 2acre lot as
affordable No one's going to buy it. Affordable is up. Okay, it's historical and open space and you get a chunk of your money back.
And one of the key questions is uh and we assume that the answer will be yes, the money goes back into the CPC fund. Uh that's that's a key thing for several people. Okay. Uh so basically uh
the and with regard to what do you pay for the house or what are you getting you sell it for and so forth and so on. Uh we know from Uber's basically basically 100 grand for
structure 400 grand to bring it up to living standards so on and so on. Now, we know that there were several parties interested in buying the house and restoring it, but they could not take on the $800,000
for the whole passel. They were just interested in the house. Are they still out there? Are the people like them? What would they pay? I have to find out. But it's a fair bet
that you would find someone who would be willing to buy it and restore it as long as the covenants were not overbearing and dealt primarily with the outside appearance as opposed to what went on inside.
Okay. Uh so uh it's it's somewhat of a gamble uh in terms of how much CPC money you would get back but I don't think a big and as an says you know you're dealing
with something that you have to say oh are we the kind of town that is going to make an effort to do this or are we going to come up with enough worries and and so forth that we walk away from it.
But it's uh the the proposed project has evolved from thoughts of saving the whole property and this that and the other and all kinds of ins and outs and so forth. But uh this is what the uh
committee the historical commission meeting basically wound up with. But you're saying you're saying don't save the house. No, I'm saying you you buy the you do save the house. You sell
the house to someone who will restore it and you put covenants on such that the outside appearance. Uh if Amos Kendall walked out say, "Yep, that's the house I grew up in." Uh but inside logically, it
would be completely modern. Uh, now there are some nice wide floors and some other features, but it's not a grand old house. It's just an old house
with grand historical connections. No, you would you would not and the town doesn't want to own a house. So, so that's what you would do. And as I say, there was uh it became very clear
at that meeting that um the affordable housing angle is out. Uh it just not it's just not a viable deal. Um but assuming that one can do this under the
CBC rules and so forth, assuming the town would turn around and sell that Okay. So, in other words, you get half a loaf rather than the whole loaf, which is kind of what life is like. It's a compromise. What do you how do you come
out ahead? You save the house. You save some open space associated with it. So, it looks, you know, kind of like the Fletcher place, the butterfield place. In other words, uh Bob Fry and uh
up there. That's the place. Uh you got a little bit of open space associated with it. So it doesn't look like you know a couple of big homes out next. I should get some significant
money back. What's that 28 lot worth right now? 2753. What's a What's the house worth? 2 250 3. Yeah, I I I don't This has got a This is
still got some work left to it. We got to get our numbers together on it. And um I mean, it's a it's a it's a nice idea. I'm just not certain at this point that we the timeline is in our favor. I think it's against us significantly. Why
don't we and whether or not if we if the deal is that we're going to buy it for a specific price and it sounds like from listening to this and I haven't seen numbers that we're going to put a covenant on it and sell it and probably sell it for less than we bought it for.
We'll be buying the whole 11 ac 750. Yeah. What are we paying for a house on its lot on a three acre lot? We don't you can't you can't say precisely. So, do you get your money back or most of it?
Get most of it back. All of it. It's impossible to say, but we would then end up with the ide and it's going to go it's going to go out for bid. can't private sale. Yeah. We can't just call Kenny Lo and have
you. We have to RFP it out. Yeah. It's got to go up a bit. And we have to RFP the work that needs to be done in it to get it up to Well, I think the thought is that we're going to put the covenant on it and sell it as We're not doing the work. We're not doing any of the work.
It's going to go We're going to we're going to buy this. we're going to um you know put a covenant or restrictions on it and then sell it at at at bid as is as we're out of it at that point. Now the only the only risk here is and I haven't
just I'm just having discussion. I don't know how much money there is in CPC because the union building's coming right behind it looking for a chunk of change to do the interior work and I don't know we got enough money to do all these things. I don't know. I I I I I
really don't know. Um but this Well, that will be something to find out by attending the CBC meeting. However, the interior and I don't want to take the time on this and Jason knows more about it than later, but when we
got interior work, u there are confirmed um $200,000 lined up, 150 for the school district, 50 from the grant. Thank you, Jason. And the historical society is interested in spending some money there
as well. Um, and then we will be looking for more grants. Uh, there's not been a lot of talk that I'm aware of on the CPC of going to the CPC for much money on the interior. That's a possibility.
We're starting that process depending on what's done inside. you know, if it's not a historical uh uh restoration. That's right. CC that can't be used. If
I'll say put it this way, if there's a way to use CPA fund for the interior, we will need to Yes. The other point is that of course we've been saying Oh, absolutely. Flat twice and the flat
rock payments lined up 26 mid. Yeah. August August 26. We're all done paying for the Ferrari. August 26th, the current year. Uh 2026. 26. Okay. 26.
2026. I'm sorry. The uh the thought was that you needed the month of June to hash it out and see if it was doable. And that meant getting the answers from Stuart, which still
happened. Uh and it meant um hopefully getting a CDC meeting well early July now. Uh and then you know again uh if this if selectman need to meet and they don't meet until July 15th
well maybe they can call a special meeting. Absolutely. uh and uh you know we have to basically will need to uh reach a decision in June
based upon information that we don't have entirely quite a bit but we need and then the month of July is line up your boards and and get your expertise lined up to make this thing happen
because it's things I don't know how to do when when we did flat rock. Who did flat rock? Who sold the house? We worked with TPL. TPL did. Yeah, they sold it. They had people in house who were all
about writing uh covenants covenants. They had the noise, they had everything and found it. So that that is a hurdle that something you know you need you need someone uh
who knows what they're doing uh to to guide a town in these steps. It's not rocket science, but it's fairly demanding and I wouldn't want to
fix them. Uh but uh so and then and then if things continue to fall in place, we don't be a special town meeting and beginning of August. So, we essentially need a you you need
answers from Stuart for a CPA for another CPA meeting and then to have your CPA committee vote to approve the town making exercising the first right of refusal on
the high street property. Then we need an advisory board meeting to say they're on board with this. That would be good politically. uh they're not I mean it doesn't affect the tax rate. It's just it's not their their mission as I've
been told many times is uh to revise on the tax things that affect the tax rate. This doesn't um nonetheless not help other boys behind you if you can't line them up. I mean, I do the same
thing on a conservation purchase. I would never go to a town meeting if I uh even though this there's no town no impact on on typically on open space purchase do on the tax. Okay. Courtesy.
Yeah. And and they speak and they sit up front and they offer advice when come up. So, we would need CPA Steuart CPA advisory select board and then schedule a special town meeting for like the first week of August basically. And then we would need probably a few
days to have the boat ratified so we can make it so we can allocate the funds to the high street owners. I I just don't know the the the vehicles that go behind that. If in the event that we were to get, you
know, CPA to have everyone on board, have advisory because I agree with Alan like having advisory support is important for us, for CPA and for the town as another check and balance here of life and then
for us to meet the week of 4th of July basically in order for this to happen even though that's next week. Do you Jason was did advisory have any specific I know there wasn't a full presentation and but did they have any specific concerns that they're waiting
for answers? Nothing specific that I we don't have any hard numbers other than the 750 plus let's say 10,000 to $12,000 worth of closing costs the buyer would have to absorb on that number. So it's really seven
70 million. Be safe. The advisory board meeting is report. Are there closing costs with a with a when it goes out to bid like that? Um yeah, there's going to be real estate.
Yeah, there's going to be title fees, you know, legal fees and transaction. Yeah. Transaction costs, you know. Yeah. because it's taking a a private parcel and yeah, there's a few things to go behind that and we would need like a
good faith estimate from C council to give us what it could be. One thing that that bought was made that I don't know the answer to and Stuart will tell us uh is okay I think that the uh
parcel with a house on it not a problem. your open space parcel, not a problem. Buy a parcel and turn around and sell it or at full fair market value just to help fund the whole thing. Private land
trusts do it all the time. Can the town do that? I don't know. It's a good question. Can the town do it? I don't know. I think it's got to go to bid. It'd have to go out as an RFP. Yeah. And that's I'm not I'm not talking
about the process of putting it up for bid. I'm talking about can can you use CPC money that way? Right. If we've purchased the whole parcel with CPC and then sell that for I don't know. Well, that was the question is if we did that,
would the money go back into CPC? Well, that's Yeah. Well, that we have to survey it. You got to mark it off. You got Well, there's already a plan. I found my I found an example in Newton of a sim. It's not identical, but it's
similar. And I do believe that the money would of the sale would go back into CPC money. [Music] I think that that's how I read the
Newton case. Yeah. So, I just pulled up the process again just because there's been a lot of questions about that. Um, just for you to see and have fun [Music]
and we're not voting on it tonight, per se. We don't It's not a Yeah. Yeah, right. But we could either, you know, support
the decision to proceed. We don't know what the proceeding. Yeah. Well, I don't need the investigation. Yeah. Which I think is worth doing. Let's get all the info and see where it brings us.
But if we can sort of press some of these people for information. What uh so what time I mean so I obviously I need to schedule a CPC
meeting. What is uh is the timeline again for uh for uh um a town meeting or when when do we have
to have this? I'm assuming I'm assuming Stuart is going to get back to us soon. Okay. He said his email. Yeah. So, you know, um,
so how far out can I schedule this CDC meeting to to discuss basically what he comes back with and get a determination?
I would be trying to get CPC to vote in to vote on a on a recommendation the first week of July. That's next week. But I mean, Stuart's got until he's got one, two, three days to get back to you in Monday.
And then you post the meeting for CPC Monday the 30th to meet on the 2nd. And then we could potentially meet the 8th or the 9th to say here's how the here's the plan. here's what CPC is
asking and we can decide if we're okay with it, what our plan of action is and our questions. And then advisory should also be meeting that week so they're looped in and fully
informed on what the numbers are just so they're supportive or asking questions. And then we then we got to schedule a special town meeting. We got to publicize this a bit because
it's summertime and people are away and we want to make sure a good spectrum of the town attends a an August or a July 31st meeting basically or a July 29th meeting. When's
the day on the 15th of 202? And and then we'd have to tell the sellers and their realtor that, you know, let's let's figure that's like the week of the 11th of August. If this were to come to fruition,
it would help if there were someone who had been through this sort of thing somewhat before shotgun. Um, we don't have anybody quite frankly
certainly not one. Yeah, I got some information. We all have some um um I don't know is there a a public spirited real estate attorney who perhaps sits on the board with you
already who might be interested in helping out. I'm not a real estate attorney. Well, I have to go to the water boy meeting tomorrow. I'll find out. All right. Good. You have a question. Um, have all the
the CDC design that were appointed been sworn in yet? Because I don't know how much of a board they're going to have. I wish there was like a a plan B. So, plan F, some other way.
Yeah, because I I'm I'm on board with saving the house. It's like picking our poison. Like, we have to either save the house, save the land, and we're in a short amount of time. like we we what's what's more purposeful
for the town and and you know with with this the union building coming up for CPA funds and some other goals that CPA probably has for trail renovations and restorations and all that great work
like we have an affordable housing project that still shovels aren't in the ground and well that's affordable housing bucket that couldn't be used for this yeah but you We also just asked for an override. Well, but again, this wouldn't come from
Yeah, just off. Yeah, I'm just But there are a lot of people that are do have an interest in start. I'm just curious to see what what are we there specifically looking for at this? Yeah, Alan kind of
illuminated it where it was uh by buy by the entire 11 acre parcel um then shave off a buildable lot which has been sort of roughly approved. It sounds like an ANR but don't quote me on that. Then we there is an AR. Yeah. So, we would sell
off that lot and then we would put covenants on the home to be sold and then it would go out to bid to preserve a historical home or restore uh restore a historical home in town and keeping
the land as such as this and pastoral land. Is there a way for us to do that without actually buying it? Not really. Not really. there there is a way to save the house very like the again I'm quoting the Larkin guy who came here way back when he's like well
if you give me another lot I'll save the house and you know that was all kind of word you know wasn't there's nothing in writing support can't just give him another lot just doesn't happen yeah it's not really one could imagine perhaps a different
um party to deal with than the ones who actually have may have been accepted off the library development standard for that. I'm sure there are other people on but I have dealt with people who were
more excited about open space and historical preservation than they seem to be. So be it. Uh so you know working with that family doesn't seem to be something you know that would work.
So, we're kind of back into this approach. We're in a corner and we Yeah, we're running out of time, unfortunately. Um and we we don't have all the you know sources of information sort of
ironed out in terms of how this un the house is still under a demolition delay I believe I don't I mean I'm sure this is until September so I don't suppose this is probably really reaching if there's any way to
request an extension to that 120day a right of refusal. No. Yeah. and I doubt they um so I just as a as a chair of the board who uses and relies on CPC I do
have concerns about this knowing what's going on with our field and the money that's going to need to be spent once we get the review of the property completed Um, and I also, in all honesty, this probably isn't popular, but I feel like it's a bad look to do a purchase like
this from the town. And I know, believe me, I understand CPC is not going to affect the tax rate, but to take on an endeavor like this when we're in the situation that we are every year financially, I just think it's
and that's been spitting through all of our brains, too. So, appreciate input. the kind of thread of fine people right now. Yeah, we're not we're not feeling good about it either. The the point here is though that you
know we have a historical figure and I know you know probably a lot of people could care less about historical figures but you know I think a little extra effort needs to be uh put into this to
see what we can do. we can schedule the CPC meeting. We can see what the committee says. You know, you'll be there uh to make your point. We can talk to Steuart hopefully before that. So,
we'll see what is possible and not possible. But I sent him an email that uh described our situation pretty uh pretty well, I think. and he uh he
sounded very optimistic that uh you know we could with you know with Ann's questions included he sounded very optimistic that there was something that could be done. So you know let's just you know we'll take it as far as we
can go and we'll see what happens. I uh personally, you know, what's that old saying about a bird in the hand is worth to a bless. You know, this is this is something if we can if we can get our money back on
this, then I think that's I think it's worth. Do do we have to get our money back? I'm asking CPC folks because I'm just if say say this cost us
$770,000. That's my guess. And then you sell a lot for 250 because it won't come with a drilled septic or a septic or a a drilled well or septic plane in hand. So it's a quarter mill. That's that's what it that'll fetch. And then you're
selling the house for 100k basically with covenants on it. So then you're down 420K. Is that okay? Is that you mean you guys are CPC representatives? Um I haven't not asking
to be on the record, but I believe in uh just in the undesated uh alone is somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars. Okay.
Just in undesated. There's never an open space and these guys had kind of gotten a pencil and paper estimate on larger gases, right? I wasn't aware of that, but that adds
more flavor. Throw an old bay on that equation. And when we get to talking about the uh union building, the cost of that, the estimate for the work on that has
uh come down quite a bit. So, you know, I mean, and like I said, with the fact that the fact that the Ferrari property is going to be off the books here pretty soon. And yeah, I
I think we need to move forward and see where see see what we see. All right. Is there anything else we need to discuss on this? I think we Yeah. Are you allowed to appoint me as part tonight? Because no one's going to
appoint you yet. I don't know. Can we not on the agenda? We know topics not anticipated. Next meeting is the 14th 50. 15. So we'll get you on that.
All right. Well, I think I I I'm in agreement. I think we should see what we can figure out. I mean, I don't want to just throw my hands up and walk away. I think I I would like to get the information to Stuart. I think the
CPC should meet and see where they are um and and go from there and see if this is makes sense. How can CBC buy it if there's no public? It's for other store, right?
Yes. Okay. Historic and part historic and open space. Uh yeah. Okay. Because you're going to preserve the middle acreage or whatever it is in between. Yeah. Okay. and it create parking to get up and in there through the snow wall.
Yeah. Have to It has to be Yeah. Okay. We have no vote on this. So, no, there's no vote. I think it's just keep rolling. All right. Yep. On to the next. You bet. All right. Thanks for joining in. Thank
you. Thank you. All right. Uh, next up for posttop sign locations. Chief, the old pile. There is a whole pile. Yes. So, um, this conversation kind of started back when major fest last year
with you got two in your house. I might say something. Yes, you did. We started uh this conversation back then after we ended that accident at the intersection. So after that, I kind of did a ride
around town. Looked at all the intersections without signs. There's quite a few of them. Um I also spoke with the highway. He pretty much had these same roads on his list that he said he had kind of talked about before.
Um but the signs hadn't gone up. So anyway, this is the the list that I came up with. All of these roads intersect with, you know, a busy roadway. Um, you know, and I think we're we're putting
oursel in a situation where if we don't have a stop sign and there is a bad crash there, what does that open us up to? It also makes it difficult for us when it comes down to finding fault at crash for somebody um which they're looking for.
at some point when we have access especially. So we have Fortnite Street and I I can only take credit for the main picture Jason a Photoshop wizard.
Um so this is 49 Street 113. I mean that is one of the busiest roads in town which is tracks. I mean there's 13,000 cars a day. um on average. And if you're new to the area and you're not familiar with where you're going, we know everybody is just
looking at their GPS these days, especially Amazon and Uber and Lyft and all those things. There is nothing there that says you need to stop. Common sense, yes, but that does not always prevail. Um you know, so those
that intersection there, I feel needs a stop sign that both sides Can I ask a quick question before does just in your experience having a white line painted there like a stopped line provide I don't know if that's legally enforceable
just because it does indicate to the driver usually that you know you see you associate the two do you need the stop sign and the stop bar together question I don't know
because that, you know, I mean, all of this really kind of reverts back to road commissioners, too, because those stock bars, they think David himself has when I talk to David, he has a
surplus of signs right now. I did a concern. I also think because we're getting to hands-free driving, if there isn't a sign that's pre-programmed into
the car, the car will keep going. So, if there isn't a stop sign, because the way the Tesla cars work and the way cars work, it's based on what's up and they taking pictures. Yeah. And I know tons of people now are looking at their phone and or they have their hands.
They're I've seen people reading books on the highway. So like um you know it's it's just where we're going technology wise but but I'm not like it's just it's what Teslas don't and the pickup trucks now like my friend
has a a hands-free jali it's a monster. He's like oh I don't I don't have to put my hands on. So if you get in an accident because you're reading a book and your car is driving itself is our fault because we don't have a freaking
stop sign. Well, there's no liability. Like you said, if there's no stop sign, then you're not at fault. What do you It doesn't tell you to stop. People are idiots. I'm an idiot. Sometimes driving, too. I'll be self
deprecating. I've heard that. It's on the record. I'll record it. A little owl got me. Why don't we move on to the next I'm only [Laughter]
Um, French Street Main Street. It's on the uh fairly it's kind of a corner there. It's kind of hard to see in the picture. Um, but it's also kind of blind. You don't you can't really see well in both directions. Again, it's on 113. I don't think there's a road that intersects with 113 that shouldn't have
a sign. If you want to knock one off the list, I can give you this one. Um, but it is a pretty good cut through. Um, people do use it in both directions uh because you can see better at that intersection that Western Street even
another one. I take this one every day when I come to work. Um, if you don't stop there, but that's a good stop. You cannot see more than 10 feet past that other way. Yeah. So, there is no
way that you should not stop there and really take a good look. And I I don't know when this picture was taken or who put it up if it was me or somebody else, but I'm pretty sure we're at a crash right there in the center. That's why police truck there.
And this is going the other way. This one has a better line of sight. This is looking left towards town hall with the yield sign appropriate there. You do have a pretty good vision. Remember there used to be a yield sign at the stop sign that's there now used
to be a sign. Oh, really? Jo two stop sign. But yeah, one for you, one for Harold. Yeah. [Laughter] Put that Yeah. Put that back.
But again, you know, North Main Street's a it's a busy road. It's a 40 mph zone. And again, nothing there says that you need to stop. Can't you just put one in the center island? No, I think I think there should be a point for light
right at depot in Maine and have that flash all night long. Sure. That can that can go with the street light that shines in my uh window all night long. It's wonderful. How big are these sides
going to be? Snap size. I've seen big and I've seen small size. There's also no stop yet. There's a stop sign at Fletcher Street on the opposite side out.
So, here's Mil at Oak. Um, this is the intersection we got in Rash. If you go to the next picture, it really illustrates. Oh, I'm sorry. That is that is um the other this this
one is kind of I think Yeah, this is the one I was thinking about. Look, the intersection there. We measured it. What was the uh 155? Yeah, 155t across that intersection. Um, this intersection in
my opinion needs to be brought off the edge of the road and brought out and then stop sign and then maybe inside green space at Fortnite. Um, it's a heavily traveled cutthrough road.
I know everybody's got to go to Lilac Blossom somehow. And sometimes when they're coming back, they need to remind you to stop. And the view again going down, it's not great.
Woods for basically paved. I know a lot of people don't live down there. You have parking area for conservation down at the end, stuff like that. So, we are going to get outside visitors to come in that corner. No one's going actually.
That's one of the most dangerous approaches. You can't tell when you're heading toward where that road is, where Woods is. Something needs to be done. Oh, yeah. It's all It's closer to
this house. And of course, wouldn't be a problem. you and all my what the accident rate is there but it is fortunately it's low because there's not people that live on so there's not I'm talking about people
yeah and ones who live on court know damn well they got to be careful when they go home like my gosh I feel like that's um 194 Forest Street. Uh, again on a curve.
They're both low speed roads, but we have had crashes there before. Sorry. And yeah, so that's that would be the view. Uh, you can't really see to your right, especially with a hard angle. If you're taking a left on the forest
looking back, you can't see oncoming traffic coming from that direction where that car is coming from. The other way you can see pretty well. That's why we That area was treacherous during the Route 113 project and rerouted through there.
People drive in the wrong side of the road all the time. They think it's no one else is on these roads. There's not even any lines to designate which side of the road you're supposed to be on. I mean, you think we should figure that out by now. Um and then you know we just had the incident a couple weeks ago where teams bro had a pretty bad crash
on route three and it was shut down and pretty much all of route three was coming through that wasn't backed up clock and these are all drivers who um now coming through town.
Wait wait wait turn that back please. Now just look at that beautiful vista and you know imagine see just see what it looks like without those nasty signs.
And now I get it I understand but I mean you put signs up for lots of stuff. We have wildlife crossing. We have turtle crossing. We have all sorts of things like that to protect the wildlife but we're not protecting the people who are driving through our town.
ironic. Would this be an opportunity? I think I saw this on one of the platforms about not or maybe it was an email to us about not allowing trucks to cut through like large like there was a tracker trailike
I think that email said. I mean every now and then they get rerouted because something's happening on Main Street. You can't avoid it. And then and then the other problem you run into is people get deliveries from Home Depot when it comes out of flat little or whatever
is parked in the street and they're loading up and you have a farm that operates close to Thornike Street and is in and out of there with his large trucks on a regular basis. If you make it no trucks but what does that mean for and then the trash
trucks? Yeah. Okay. And the oil trucks. Yeah. What about um Hall Street and Grten where they meet there right by a larger field. Is there there's not a stop sign there. There's a stop sign there. Um that's another intersection
like a local redesign that's not on the list. No, because it has a sign. I gave that one a pass because there is a sign there. But at some point I I David has spoken to me about it before. He had his way do that.
So you can actually see on traffic because you can't see it now. And they have that great machine that does a good job cutting back for visibility visibility purposes. But you know having to do it every year now these things seem like the bittersweet everything grows so fast. The stuff has been
growing so fast right now. Yeah. I've noticed again not a lot of people down there. Um we do have the Christmas tree farm down there. people coming off that side of Hill Street. There's there's a stop sign on the opposite side. If you can see the
line, you can't really see the sign. Especially with school traffic, there's a lot of traffic that people try to beat the bus across. Yeah, sure. So, those are the spots that I uh that I thought.
Yeah, I think these are all val. I like that mentality of protecting our citizens as much as we protect the turtles that I love. So that's all I got. I think that um you did a good job. It's too long overdue.
Yeah. Couple of those intersections, you know, over the years I've been to crashes and you know, couple of them are really bad. And I don't know how it is that the one that was most fairly recent was at Oak and Maine, right? I think,
you know, that was an involving Uber Eats driver, I think, or some sort of delivery service and, you know, she's got significant injuries that are some of those are permanent. Yeah. I mean, it's just the way it is. So, I I think
this is a good effort in in in terms of trying to create that safe environment that we want. As far as the signs at Maine and Depot, at the very least, they should be that red blinking light on the sign. me and I'll be glad to pay for those by the way and have them
installed. You'll pay for it already. You just have to go with the other end of your I don't care. Okay. There is just stop sign. Uh move to approve the new
stop signs and yield sign locations as proposed by the police chief. Second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor? I. Okay, moving on. the open space and recreation consultant
contract. Unfortunately, the Nimog folks were here, but they had to leave. So, those are two long debates. So, um so we received a technical assistance grant in the amount of $20,000. Um so,
this contract will be funded through that grant. Um, as I think we all know, we're going to the update right now um of the OSRP. We got the extension thanks to this uh our hard work of updating our action
plan. Um, so we do have an extension for um three years, but we're still going through the process to update it more comprehensively and fully. Um, so this contract will allow us to do that with noneog.
Yeah. No, that's great. We need to keep this thing up to date. Public forum tomorrow night. Tomorrow night on Zoom 6:00. Join us. I move to approve the contract between the town of Dunable and Northern Middle
Sex Council of Governments in the amount of $20,000 for professional services to assist the town with updating its open space and recreation lands. Second. Further discussion? All those in favor?
I I Okay. Repairs to library contract change order by at Painting. So, the um the work actually is complete at the library. Uh looks looks really
nice. Um there was some work. There was one door um replaced, exterior door replaced in the back. In the Yes, exactly. And as they replaced that and repainted it, we realized that some of the other
um the the nice new shiny door looked out of place with compared to the other exterior doors. So they just we had them paint the um the other exterior doors. And so that was not That work is not included in the original contract. So, this change orders cover that up.
How big was this contract? $39,900. And he needs another 850 bucks to paint two doors. All right. I mean, I understand the door painting those doors is necessary because the sun will cause that door to swell or expand.
In a day like today, you might not get out of those person. Those other two doors are egress doors from the building. That's, you know, the electric room door gets you into the utility room in the main electric room, but those other doors are how you get out when you
fire alarm or whatever. So, I I I get it. I'm okay. It wasn't the only change that was submitted to us. This was the change that we Okay, I'll um I'll take my contractor hat and throw it in the trash. Move to approve the change order to the
contract with AT Painting LLC for repairs to the library in the amount of $850 for work to prime paint the building's exterior doors. Second further discussion
in favor I I Okay. Union Building Exterior Restoration Amendment Contract for Architectural Services by GNAP Architects. I think this is specifically to increase the
amount of site visits for ENAP to come out and monitor the building project. That's right. This um this adds a not to exceed an additional not to exceed $5,000 so that we have sufficient
presence on site to monitor the work being done. Yes. Great idea. Yeah. I just want to ask while we're here and I know I'm kind of going down the same path but off. I would like to see the submitt log and
the RFI log as well as his schedule. I will send it to you because the that's that RFI log and that submitt log is telling Y. Right. And I'd like to just see if we can get our hands on that. And
then this $5,000 number. It's an NTE at 5,000. Correct. How what's it going to do? Just bill us. Is there an hourly rate? It is on the seven page. Yeah. No, sorry. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm okay with that. It's a good idea. It takes it off
Jason's plate to go over there with his uh sledgehammer on the monitor work itself. Let the architect do architect himself. There's a level of expertise you're going to get. [Music]
We can send him over. We bought him binoculars by the way doing this. He's checking on that project. Move to approve the contract amendment for architectural services with GANAP architects for the Union Building
Restoration Project in an amount not to exceed $5,000 to support increased construction administration services. Second. Further discussion none. All in favor? I I
work started over there. Yes. started last week. Last Thursday, I think they mobilized. Yeah, they are. I saw the equipment there. I just didn't know whe All right. The appointment next step is the
appointment to the conservation commission of Bridget Montre. This had come up um two weeks ago I believe and there was a question about whether or not she had a conflict. Yeah, a conflict of interest
and it's been determined by powers that be that she did not have a conflict. Cool. We're being you know an employee of Nova Health and under contract with us with our board of
health. I move to appoint Bridget Pont the Brand to the Conservation Commission for a term to expire on June 30th, 2029. Second. Fiveyear term. Yeah,
can't get away. Discussion none. All in favor? I I This last agenda item does not do that and that's on there by my mistake. That's Like I said earlier, that's what
happens when the suits takes a week off. I messed up the agenda. So, this one does not need to be voted on. Okay. Um, initially I thought that that the license needed to be um renewed, but it doesn't expire until I guess the end of
the calendar year, but we do need your signature on it. So, hopefully we get that signed and issued. Yeah. Can I can I ask a question? I did did some leg work, right? Yeah. And it's just a question. Do they need a victim's license or does the victim's license
necessary in order to hold the liquor license? They they definitely need both. Um they have one they have one for the shop. They have one for country as well. Yes. Okay.
And you have that for us to sign cuz I think there was some conflict earlier about the address. Yeah. Feels beauty. All right. We good. Anything else?
Sign this one here. Motion to ajourn. Sign this first. You can't do two things. I'm Greek. I can do things however I want. No, it's going to be right. It's just There it is. I can do things
however I feel like it. Yeah. All right. All those in favor I I I