Good. Okay. Well, we'll go with it anyway. All right. So, it is 6 o'clock on Tuesday, August 12th. We'll call the select board meeting to order. A pretty short agenda tonight. Um start with a public comment followed by approving of meeting minutes from July 15, 2025, July
21st, 20 July 24th, July 30th, 2025. as well. We have an amendment to the phase 2 intermunicipal agreement for the water system expansion. Inter intermunicipal agreement on the community outreach initiative network.
Discussion regarding the nuisance dog designation uh for 139 off Pawn Street. And then the mass general law chapter 268A section 19 disclosure of financial interest and determination by appointing authority by Jeff Rosen.
And uh any topics not reasonably anticipated by the check which I do have one thing that I will bring up at that point. >> Excellent. So >> anticipation. >> Oh yes. It's a good one. You're going to love this. >> All right. Public. Anybody in the public
would like to speak to something not on the agenda? >> I would like to speak to something not on the agenda. >> Okay. I uh uh we got we were we were out of town and we got back
in time to catch the uh the fire department on the common um what did what was that called? Jason >> splash pad. I forget like a summer so summer
soak or something like that. >> I missed that. That was >> fabulous. >> What a boot. >> Whose idea was that? >> It was a It was a brainstorm among a few of us. >> Okay. Cuz I thought of the chief. Chief
was there. We stopped. We weren't running through the water. >> I don't believe you. the chief said that you and and he and I he didn't mention anybody else, but
>> yeah, >> what a great idea that was. Kids were having a ball. >> Yeah. >> And God knows how the the grass I guess the grass in that spot is going to be green.
>> You say it's probably black. Yeah, green. But it was it was absolutely fabulous. I was afraid we were going to miss it, but he said they had a call. It was supposed to be 2:30. >> He said they had a call uh just as they were getting set up to
do it. So, we rolled into town about 3:00 and they were >> still going strong. It was >> I was worried the kids were going to leave, but they they all stuck stuck around for it, which is nice. I called Sue >> today
>> and I said, "I hope somebody took some pictures, some video of this and I hope we'll be seeing it on Facebook." >> So, it was it was actually So, yesterday the chief and I had a we're doing performance evaluations. Okay. Just the
annual. Yeah. And so we were talking about the heat and um would the libraryies opening up for our cooling stations for people to >> go in if it's if they're >> Yeah. >> And um as we talked we had talked about
this last year potentially doing doing this. And so I >> it came up during that conversation that hey maybe we should so we said well I'll do it tomorrow. I said okay by fine tomorrow. Great. And so uh so that's it was just it came
up during that conversation yesterday and so we put he put it together >> quickly >> was holding up traffic everybody's watching >> everybody coming out >> good
do that again >> for what it's worth there's a couple of the teams are having captain's practices at field like they later on this afternoon. So, if you time it out with one of those, >> fun for the high schoolers and I think it's high school and middle school. I think they're doing it. It's pretty hot
out there, but >> yeah. >> Just another idea because it was >> field hockey and I think their soccer is finishing up. So, >> okay. >> All right. >> Yeah, it was fun. >> Good. All right. Good job. I'm kidding. I said I said, "How old is the water in
that truck?" Because it's coming right out. >> No. >> So, I don't know if I don't know if we'll get any complaints. >> Huh? >> That's not the spirit of it.
Phil's immunity. >> I just water department isn't going to be >> too upset about it. >> Awesome. >> Well, great. Thanks for that report. >> Anybody else? >> No, you're good.
>> Uh oh. >> All right. >> Very good. Okay. Next up, we have the approval of the minutes for July 15th, 21st, 24th, 30th, 2025. Um, >> me too. Yeah. Move to approve the
meeting minutes from July 15th, July 21st, and July 24th and July 30th as submitted. >> Second. >> In favor? >> I >> I
amendment to phase two intermunicipal agreement for the water system expansion. So, you had a um multi-group meeting on this on the 30th July. Yeah, I was away. Unfortunately, I missed that, but see if
there's a presentation here. So, there's some changes. I don't know if they're necessarily minor, but they're not enormous. Um having to expand some of the water lines because of the plume is expanding. It is in encompassing several more properties
um in both Brockton and Dunwell. Um so there's uh a group effort to address those and that has required some changes to the agreement and that is what you have before us here.
>> Yeah, that was a good meeting. I thought it was interesting attendance in terms of you know some folks from Grton spoke up some folks from Dunible. I think the pep folks were other than Andrew was presenting sort of MC was pretty quiet.
Um, >> but you know, a couple of our residents spoke up and I think there were just concerns about this growing plume. >> Well, we're all >> what the endg game is. I don't know what it is. >> I I too am concerned for those folks and
the growth of this. >> Understood. >> And where does it stop? I mean, no one really knows at what point. >> Yeah. I don't Well, I think I think I think Tig and Bond is >> You weren't at the meeting, but I think Ty and Bond is looking to They're the LSP.
>> They're looking to close this thing out. >> I'm sorry. >> They just keep adding. >> I I mean, I don't know how that's going to happen because I just don't And what's his name from Tiger Bond? No, no, that's the end of the plume. That's all. I'm going I don't know how I mean this
thing is traveling. How can you just conclusively say, "Okay, that's it." Well, so we're we're required to continue to test until we until it's closed, quote unquote. And so that's that's still happening as we speak. We
time bond the the engineer that was at the meeting was from a is from Apex, >> right? >> Who was designing the solution, >> right? >> Time bond is the LSP as you said. Um so this but time one does believe that
they have the boundaries the perimeter of the PAS plume pretty well defined. Um again they they have to continue testing and if they continue testing and they hit a positive on that perimeter then
that changes the volume but right now we've kind of hit the end so to speak. Um, so this what this amendment does is essentially allows us to move forward with that phase two sooner than we were
planning on it because the plume shifted in those areas. So it goes up, it's going to connect Prol to North Street, from Jersey Street to North Street in Brotton and then goes up to um I think
it's 504 Broton Street from >> from Chem Street on Broton Street. That's what this allows us to do. It moves it it moves it along quicker than we were planning on it. Um but then there were you probably remember there's some talk about the permitting and the
interb basic transfer that you need if we were to go further than this. So this is um this is going to address the the plume expansion. Um and then separately from that which only includes tons and groten not
we need to address other streets beyond this. So um the other side of Kemp Street and Dunville and then Rey Meadow, Braden and Hotree in the town of Roden.
Um we need to build out water infrastructure on those streets that we weren't originally planning because of the plume expansion. So I did just so you just so um you had that information I did do a quick
breakdown of cost just to show that um we are still with the authorization we received at special time meeting we are still within that authorization. In fact, we're still below it. Um, >> largely because of the the grant we
received that Pepper received, but it's for it's going to benefit all three communities. >> And so, we're able to use we anticipate we're we're going to be able to use about a million and a half dollars on the um on the Jersey Street to North
Street connection and then Gro Street as well. So, That's um that's basically where we're at. We did one followup from that meeting. Um
you may remember there were two Dunable residents that were concerned about the way that it was originally conceived. The private connections to the main were
going to be basically um done privately. homeowners would pay for it and then they get reimbursed the cost and there was some concern expressed at the meeting about that. Um I think town officials at least between water
departments and market and I we've talked about that and we kind of are in agreement that we should actually pay for the connections not do it on a reimbursement basis. there were some liability concerns or procurement concerns, prevailing wage
issues that we they were all out there, but um it will be a little more costly to do it that way, but again, we're within budget and we think it's kind of a fair approach to res. So,
>> um we're not we don't have like any anything definitive for you yet because it's still being worked on, but at some point we'll ask um for your support and approval of that once we get there. >> About the resident that touched on like
I think they're receiving water at their house, right? Was that one of them? I don't want to use her name because not be inappropriate, but she was like she was saying she's getting water delivered to like her front steps and they're older and they don't think they can get it into the house. Did that did they
ever come back to us >> with any further questions? >> She didn't I haven't got that. I do. I know I actually know exactly what you're talking about. >> Yeah, >> but I felt for her because >> because she was one that expressed
concern about the connection. >> Yeah. From the start, she's been pretty >> unfortunately surprised by what's gone on here with this plume and sort of the consequences of what happened when that fire started back in the day. So, >> yeah, it's pretty crazy.
>> Yeah, >> I don't know that this I don't know that her issue has a resolution. and she's getting water delivered and they're five gallon jugs and they got to carry them in and >> you know sometimes there's a pump sometimes they're on a croc or whatever.
>> Yeah. >> I I >> I don't have an answer. I just like >> I don't think there's an answer to what she was saying. I just I mean I understand it but >> is it our responsibility to get it brought to the house? >> Yeah. I mean or maybe it's just you know
Tai and Bond or whoever just gives a call and says I hear you. do you want? Or if it's the school delivering the water, >> it's the school. >> So, you know, maybe it's just maybe it's cases of little Poland Spring water bottles they can just cut open. I don't know. I just felt bad for it. I mean, and sometimes if we just provide good
customer service, then maybe that helps a little bit, >> which is what we're pretty good at. So, >> there were there were also two residents who said they had tried to call time bond and we weren't able to reach them. And they have they have been
>> they both of them have been contact. >> Okay. >> So they had had discussions with both. So that's great. >> What is nice before we make it was it sounds like they were able to identify that this type of PAS product is is so we know where it we know where it's coming from. Makes you think of like
those story books we read as kids that so like you know you knew it's got certain qualities in it. So they're able to identify it's come from there. So in case there's any naturally occurring PAS, we don't have to. >> Yeah. It's like >> we know it's, you know, red, you know,
>> it's like tagged somehow. Yeah. >> Yeah. I know nuclear bombs are like that, like tagged based on the uranium and things like that, the components. So >> So a quick question on the plume perimeter. So where it crosses if any portion of someone's property
falls within that are they getting tied in >> or is there so >> so there it's that map that the print out is is tough to read right >> but what they're doing is they're
testing I they're testing um each well and then they have to draw a 500 foot perimeter um okay >> radius and then if any other properties fall within that then you have to go and test that out. This map does have PAS
measurements including in it included in it and it is colorcoded. It's just not with a print out. It's if you look at it online, it is >> um so >> so any level of PAS it will be labeled
on this map and we are apply to bring water to them. Oh, like we're not bringing it all the way down Chem Street to that resident, right? >> Not yet. We We may have to >> We do have to bring it to the other side
of chem. >> Yeah. >> I just >> not all the way down, but just >> because I don't think that that family has allowed us to test their water is the >> I've heard there is a positive result on Kent. That's why we have to that's part of the expanded
>> but it's not like all the way down Kent, right? Like so that like I I know this is where that tree farm is way at the end. >> Yeah. >> And I I thought I had heard someone say that they have ignored the testing requests. >> I didn't hear that. I didn't know that
>> because you know kind of it's an odd characteristic that they're not >> Well, there are a couple houses down past that big field. There's like one on either side. I can I can get you some. Yeah, we have to we have to try to >> Okay.
>> Okay. I just can't tell unless >> Yeah, it's a little green. My worry is just like it's going to bleed out and do like this. That's I know that I know that guy. >> Yeah. So, so there's one like right here, the
back corner of the property just the the plume limit just clips a corner of it. So, it depends on where their well is on that property and whether or not if it's within 500 ft. >> No, it depends on the reading of the
well. And I just can't see the what the right on the map. >> Um on the top I'm trying to pull it up on just feels like it keeps coming, >> right? >> I I'm not convinced it's going to just
stop. Question. Do you know of in the expanded area is the concentration higher than the original area? >> I don't know. But there >> I would suspect so just nothing's going
to flow uniformly because it's hitting different things under the subsurface. >> Yeah. >> But >> no, I'm curious if the original places that they've gotten lower concentrations now diffusing. >> Oh, right. like at the high school
>> that that level was quite high. >> Oh yeah. Nothing's been higher than the high school high school. So that is Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, we keep expanding as we need to. >> Yeah.
>> All right. Well, what do we need to do? We've got agreement we need to approve to sign. >> Yep. John, sorry. Um, is there is there no filter that you know a homeowner can can use to
filter out the >> I believe there is an infiltration system that can be installed >> to filter it out. >> Yeah, like arsenic requires like a reverse osmosis system. So does radon in the water
>> to different degrees. The reason I ask is the sounds like the elderly woman who it's nobody's job to help her, you know, with her bottle of water. Maybe that's an alternative
to, you know, to have something like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. the um the bottled water at the moment is a temporary measure that um I think actually D is still paying for
that if I'm if my memor is right. Um but for a permanent solution to anybody who's getting bottled water right now, it's either hook up to the water man, connect to the water man, or some sort
of um onsite filtration system at the wall. We're just not there yet. Yeah. >> What? >> We're just not there yet. >> Yeah. Do we know how much one of those infiltration systems?
>> I don't I don't >> Well, this >> Okay. >> So, look, just to answer this first. >> So, it looks like this is the last one on camp here. 105. >> Okay.
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. So yeah, this is this is >> Yeah. No, it doesn't go that. It doesn't go that. >> But his property's clipped over in the corner here. He just like So right there it catches it. >> No, I think that's just
there's no readings there. So we wouldn't be responsible for it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But a property like this one, >> I think it's just you got to draw the line somewhere. So they probably, you know. >> All right. Good.
>> Yeah. Yes. >> Move to approve the first amendment to the intermunicipal agreement for water system expansion for phase 2 dated January 29th, 2024 between the towns of Dustable Groten
and Peril as presented and authorize the town administrator to sign the agreement on behalf of the board. Second >> the TA chair. >> Do you want him to sign it? >> Yeah, because he's signatory to this
already and he's already on the title block. >> Okay. >> And the other town administrators are too. So I think he's he has signed this before. So, the other um important point on this is in the agreement it says we still
need to negotiate who's paying for what on this portion of the project. So, we're going to it allows us to ne to work on that the TA and TAS and the T and >> you guys Yes.
>> are going to are going to are going to come to that conclusion. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Right. You don't need >> No, no, no. Just wanted Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> Okay. Very good. >> Intermunicative
network. This is this is a program that the police department interfaces with. Um I guess it originally started with PEL police department and moved to air and then
moved to a larger nonprofit called Advocates. It's essentially um a pool of um of clinicians for anybody struggling with or having a mental health or
substance abuse issues or crisis. They're able to use the police department able to use them as a resource to either help respond to a call or do followup with folks um after a call. And um so I guess with advocates
it wasn't serving the communities as as um well as they hoped. So the air police department is taking it back um and so the clinicians will be hired um and they will be air employees.
It's all funded through grants um so we don't have to pay a dime um but we benefit from the service. Um, okay. >> I think we've been involved with something like this for a long time. Chief >> Yeah. >> got us involved in that. >> Yep. It's It's been a while. >> Yeah. >> Great.
>> Okay. Sounds good. >> Yeah. It's an intermission agreement. So, >> it is. >> We do have a motion. >> Yeah. I move to approve the intermunicipal agreement between the towns of Ashby air, Boxboro, Dunable,
Groten, Littleton, Shirley, Townson, and Westford for the purposes of providing social work services to police departments in these communities as presented and authorized the chair to sign the agreement on behalf of the
board. Second in favor >> I >> I >> sounds great. >> Okay. Um next up a discussion on the nuisance dog designation. Um
the dog owner had a concern about one of the issues, one of the um conditions or orders that we issued last month um regarding restraining his dog and it's primarily the use of a muzzle and he actually submitted a
petition to us through court to address this. I think um both parties would like to avoid that, but it was a tool for him to be able to get us to think about this again. So, so it's back here on our plate to see
where people are thinking about lifting that particular order of requiring a muzzle um >> to >> to make the change to the to the board's decision. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, we'll need to
revertise, repost a hearing. >> Yep. >> And notify others and all that. >> I just didn't want to have conversations with Mr. Mobile without the board being >> Yeah. >> comfortable with those conversations and um
and if we essentially basically so the the hearing is on August one, the schedule for August one. I would like to try to get that delayed in order to for the board if if the board chooses
to consider modifications for the muzzle requirement because that is the that's the hangup right now. >> Everything else seems to be um either in progress or already adhered to. So, um,
so if the board is open to changes to the muzzle requirement and if if you are, I would contact him and ask him to um to agree to delay or postpone the hearing and allow the board
to get back together um call another hearing, third hearing on this um to talk about that and to come to a decision. When is the date of this hearing? >> Wednesday. >> And what are our parameters for
discussion right now? Anything? >> Yeah. As far Yeah, you can talk about anything. You just can't come to you can't change it without >> it. Okay. >> Without it. >> Can we ask questions like we have proof that some of these things have been satisfied based on the timing here?
>> Like I see August 1st like we have photo evidence. Has the animal control officer gone out and documented these things? >> I drove by. I think Did you drive? >> I drove by and it looked like the fence was up. I didn't get out and walk around this property, but I think it would
behoove for someone to actually do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um his contractor was still doing a little work on the fence >> when I went by. Mhm. >> Um but we do need to make sure that it is >> as we asked that every door exits to a
fenced in area. >> It looked like it was but yes I mean and today's the 12th so >> we are 3 days from the date that which he said his dog would be fixed and I don't >> I don't know if that's been done.
>> Yeah. You know, I'd certainly want some there's some different hurdles here for this scenario for me to even >> yeah, >> think about further into the process. And he has talked to the animal officer about training and has started that. I
know he's had at least one session or at least he's told me he has. >> Okay. >> Um >> I haven't seen warning signs yet. It's not. >> Yeah, >> he told me the phone he was he was going down, but I don't I don't know if that's
>> Well, he needs to provide us proof of that from >> he he had So, this is I'm I have a little bit of a thought process going on here, right? I've read this.
All right. And I've tried to I had to decipher some things because it's so poorly written. But th this hearing from the way I see this Jason and I I mean this is I'm no lawyer
but essentially he's challenging he has the ability through this process to challenge our entire result. >> Yes. >> So that's what he's doing. >> He's appealing the whole order. >> I I took a hoof by there today. Right.
And I, you know, um, just with leases, some fence isn't finished. There was this guy, you know, whatever. And I was trying to be >> The fence isn't finished. >> It wasn't finished. Somebody was they were changing things around with it today. Some guy was there moving pieces
around or something. I don't I don't know. >> I I don't want to spend the money for legal fees, but at the same time, I I I my preference, and my colleagues can disagree with me, and we can come to a different decision. My preference is he wants to have a hearing on the 20th.
Let's have the hearing on the 20th. And because I'm going to tell you based on what I know, the he's the chances of him coming out of here and winning is slim to none because the court's not going to get involved in a
dog bite thing. The judge is going to say, "I don't know." you know, so I would just assume have this hearing because I I just I I I just get this feeling that that Mr. Maldun is um doesn't understand the consequences of his actions with this thing. That's my
feeling. And to go to the court and write this up and and and process this this way here, he's just challenging us. He's going, I'll get this whole thing thrown out. That's what this looks like to me. And I, you know, I I I don't want
to spend money on legal fees, but every once in a while you have to. And in this particular case, we'll see you on the 20th at 2:00. That's my feeling. But Leah and Karen are going to have, you know, I don't
know what that we I don't know what they feel about this, but my thought is that, okay, let's let's let's have it out. Let's get this finished. Okay. Just to jump on, I'm I agree with Ron because I I worry that
this is a ticking time bomb here. >> Yeah, it is. Absolutely. And I felt that that night. I felt that the first time we had this one and the other folks didn't show up. >> I really felt that the second time. I I rewatched myself and just our our our >> our actions as a board. And I think
we're deeply concerned that someone's going to get hurt here or another dog's going to get ripped apart, whatever. And I don't want to see that. I don't want that in the news. I don't want that to happen to one of our residents. So, I am a I agree with Ron in the sense that
this might be worth a little legal fee action here to to make sure that we are holding our line because I think it's to the public detriment if we don't. >> Yeah, that's exactly that's exactly how
I see it. Right. >> And I hate to say that. I mean, I can tell you how much I love dogs and nice, but like what are we doing >> again? Well, yeah, >> it's not the dog. It's just the owner. You know, I watched him and I watched again. I just think >> I worry he has knee surgery coming up,
too. So, like he told us he's getting his knee replaced. >> Yeah. >> Next couple months, too. So, he's got some other stuff going on here. I think the dog >> needs to be muzzled, you know, or >> there are some very good muzzles out there. You see police dogs, German
Shepherds, and you can fully have your dog's mouth. >> They can still bark and go bananas. >> They can drink. There are some you can they can still drink. They can put their tongue through just >> there are many many options for mus. >> And there's I I know
>> Jason sent him pictures of these muzzles. >> I know. I sent to go buy them. >> I sent those to >> It isn't like we just said to him, "Hey, go figure it out on your own." We said, "Yeah." And the thing's like $25 on Amazon. I mean, it isn't, you know, but he's I I when I read through this whole
synopsis that he put together here, he's he's just he he's just decided he doesn't want anything doing any of this. So, the dog's fine and he's challenging us with this. >> And the muzzling can be part of the training process, too. And that trainer can provide the the right type so that
it can address the concerns. And I mean, you hate to do it, but dogs get muscles for many reasons. Not that I'm a huge advocate, but you've got a lot of parties to be concerned about. >> I mean, >> um, again, I don't like spending the
legal fees either. And, you know, but that's why we having this discussion to see where everybody falls on this. >> You figure 400 bucks an hour. The attorney's going for eight hours that day. It's a $3,500 day. 3,200. that there'll be extra fees and mileage and parking lot.
And this is one of those moments where you just want to make sure that we have our line in the sand as trying to prevent something bad from happening. >> So who goes >> what day is it? The 20th.
>> Who goes to where the court? I'm going to go there. Absolutely going to be there. are as expected uh the board because a group goes like so >> we'll we'll engage um I'll talk to Brian
I can talk to Brian tomorrow and he said he was going to have to um get a letter get involved in it. So, >> okay. >> Well, he >> either him or the lawyer that represented us when um
we had that issue up on Hillrest, right? I forgot her name, right? Someone has to file a notice of appearance with the court. That's not been done as of today. >> No, it hasn't >> cuz I looked at docket and >> T was not represented at this point.
So, somebody's got to file a notice of appearance. >> Y >> and then let's let's you know what? Let's just go at it with this guy. That's it. That's you know, really that's I mean, if I was him and I said that to him that night, here he is with all these medical issues. You you don't
need a dog that's got management issues. You need to take care of yourself. And so, I'm just disappointed in this. And you know there was in the news last night about a dog that um mauled a kid in l I think right happens.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Nope. Thank you. I just wanted to have the discussion I'll connect with compounds in a moment. >> Yeah. And I you know I do have a you know animal control officer should go and verify
the fence. >> Yeah. >> The points of access. I mean, >> all of these things need to I mean, the only thing we I'm not going to be able to get any proof on is whether he's going with the >> and if the muzzle is actually going to
be on on, but it should still be >> if we were to wave the m the go through the hearing process, wave the muzzle and the dog breaks through on the leash somehow and has an incident, we'll know if there's a muzzle on the dog or not,
>> right? So, >> well, I mean, I don't go up off Pond Street a lot, but a part of me wonders like >> just to drive up the street, if you see the dog off the leash. >> Yeah. >> Well, right. But it's I mean, we're not going to be out there monitoring 24/7.
>> But the other things absolutely can be documentation can be provided for that one. The fence, the training, the neutering, the warning signs being up, etc., our attorney will make note of, you know, Judge Smith or whatever. One, two,
three, you know, he hasn't done one, he hasn't done six, he hasn't done five. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, sorry, but >> it is what it is. >> It's too important not to do it. So,
>> yeah. >> Okay. Next, um Jeff Rosen is here tonight to >> we're doing you're submitting a waiver of disclosure. >> Uh yeah, so as you guys know, I'm a member of the union building
rehabilitation committee. Um I also have a day job where I work as an engineer for a company called Alli Consulting Engineering Services. King Architect reached out to my firm to service this sub. It's not my firm but my employer uh to serve as a sub consultant on the
response to the RFQ. I spoke to the state ethics commission's office and someone from my firm has discussed with our attorney um conflicts of interest and how to proceed. I personally would like to stay involved with the union
building uh rehabilitation committee. I feel like my input is valuable and I enjoy being involved as such. uh to prevent the appearance of conflict of interest. Uh the state ethics commission said I there was two avenues I sort of
go through. either resign from the uh the committee altogether or with a certain form or I could keep myself in the interior portion with certain form or I would go this path the path I've chosen to ask if the appointing
authority which is the select board would allow me to be to remain on the committee with the stipulations I outlined the form uh and they are as follows to prevent the I'm sure read it to prevent the appearance conflict of interest. I will take the following
match uh actions. The first is in my role in the union building rehabilitation committee. I will recuse myself from the review and recommendations of response to the affformentioned RFQ for the interior improvements. So if you agree to this, I
would have no say as a committee member as to who is awarded the contract for the interior renovation. Uh and then as an employee of my firm, if it's awarded to
the prime with uh my employer as a sub, I wouldn't have communications with the architect uh and I would work on the architect. So those are I'm interested in remaining on the committee in that in that
fashion. And uh I just also want to point out I am not a partner at the firm. uh they are my employer. I don't have any sort of financial specific interest uh in this matter. I don't get a bonus tied to projects, nothing like
that. Uh and that is a >> you just you're covering the base is what you're doing. That's fine. >> I try to say >> that's fine. >> No, it's fair enough. I think that's good. No, I I think your bow will be on
the committee, so it's good to keep you there. >> And it keeps your employer happy. So, >> yep. I move that the select board having received and reviewed the written disclosure of financial interest
submitted on August 4th, 2025 by Jeff Rosen, member of the Union Building Rehabilitation Committee in connection with the RFQ for design services for the interior of the Union Building
determines that the financial interest disclosed is not so substantial as to be deemed likely to to affect the integrity of the services which the town may expect from Mr. Rosen condition upon the
adherence to the recusal and nonparticipation measures described in the disclosure. >> Sir, >> all right. >> So, can you offer opinion as a resident if you get Can
>> you have to leave the room? Yeah. So all right very good. So I think that is all we have scheduled on our agenda >> except for topics not reasonably anticipated by the chair. >> Yeah. So there's um there's this group
called the small towns collaboration that I've been on for about two years now and I think that it is time for me to roll out and have a new member roll in and garner garner their own perspective on this particular group. see what they could possibly offer
um to see what Dunswwell has to offer to this group and what this group has to offer to offer to us. Um they ideally like to have two representatives from a town either one select board member or someone from our business association
which we do not have. Um I tried to get people from the economic development committee to participate. Someone showed up once and never showed up again. Um, you know, I feel I'm sort of, you know, without going too deep into this.
I I'm kind of burned out with it and I don't feel I have an awful lot to offer to it. I'm not quite sure the direction the group is where it's going. We've been I feel personally we've been sort of spinning our wheels for a while. Um,
but anyway, I think a new perspective some would be really good. So, if either one of you would love to sit in on that, it's once a month >> Friday, the second Friday >> in the morning >> of each month at 9:00 a.m. either at
Towns and Town Hall or via Zoom. >> It's easy for me because I'm working. >> Well, you have the job. I say that now, but I just wonder downstairs. >> Yeah, 100 downstairs. So, >> when's the next one? September.
>> We just had one last Friday. So, yeah. Be >> September. >> September. Whatever. The second >> 12th. >> That sounds about right. Yeah. >> Somewhere in there. >> Yeah. Be the 12th.
This committee have What's the word? I love you something that you're >> Well, what they're trying to do is so it's all the towns in the first Middle Sex district. And what they're trying to
do is essentially sort of make it a sort of a a cohesive group that can work together to sort of boost economic development or you know primarily that make it a destination for people to go. Um
you know if you're familiar with the group the destination groten that is so it's like that but including all the six towns. There's a bit of redundancy which is kind of what I'm finding. Um we're still trying to get the website going. There's you know they've asked for
financial contributions and two towns have not done it. Dunto being one and Ashby be the next because it's just not I'm not seeing the true benefit yet and because of our financial situation I don't feel that it's a really good way
of spending the money to do that. But um you know there was the Rosco or asking us to go to the businesses. They haven't I don't know if anyone's done this yet, but to try to get contributions from businesses to see
if they would kind of foot the bill to pay for the website development and then maintenance of it. Um that hasn't quite happened yet. Um, so yeah, we're still it's still plugging
along at a kind of a slow pace, but one of the one of the things is that, you know, Dunable doesn't fit in any of the square boxes of any of the stuff. It's >> we're part of a different um chamber of commerce than the rest of the
towns are. >> We also are in a different planning agency than the other towns are. So there's this sort of, you know, how do how do we fit in? We're not a business-driven town. You know, we can
tell them like, oh, we have the strawberry festival, we have this, we have this, but I'm not taking on that job of collecting that information and feeding it to that. That's just not in my wheelhouse. Um, so they're just trying to sort out
how that information gets fed in, who's taking care of it, who's doing it, how's it being presented. Is it going through the Showbox Chamber of Commerce or going through North Middle Sex Chamber of Commerce? Is it going through Nimco? Is it going through whatever? Yeah. So, there's a lot of lot of stuff that's
just >> at some point it' be good to review which Nimco MRPC that we really feel we are best fit for. And that's a much longer probably review, but >> that's another story, but
>> we're so not like Tesberry or >> LOL. We're in the Nimog, which is, you know, great. They do some wonderful things. >> They've been fantastic. Yeah, they've done great things for us. >> But are we more of a rural community? >> Yeah, >> probably. You know, are we >> when you look at our comparative towns?
>> Yeah. Closer to Machisa regional thing, they do some cool things, too, but I don't >> I'm not familiar with them, but yeah. So anyway, that can be a conversation for another day. So thank you Kieran for taking over this role. I will inform the group that >> I probably know some of this guest. >> You probably do.
>> Probably do. >> My only thing was I saw an email about some enforcement matters. You're going to get sort of a summary. I know it's not on agenda. Is that something coming down the pipeline? >> So that was kind of the summary we have up to this point what I forwarded you. >> Yeah. >> Um
>> are we talking about this? >> Yes. >> Yep. Um, so because we've we have I don't know the last two or three months, we've seen an uptick in >> Yeah. >> concerns, complaints about a variety of
property issues. >> Yeah. >> And so because of that, I just pulled everyone together this week to start talking through them. Some of them are long-standing issues where quite frankly we need to determine if we want to do >> certain things if we want to take
enforcement action just because it's kind of burnt for quite some time. >> But other other things are um more recent and new and uh so we're looking at them and trying to um
trying to determine that 431. open. If anyone has any comments or any of that, just you can we can talk. >> Okay. >> Or you can send me an email, whatever. >> Okay. I just like probably closed the loop. Either we do something or we >> Right. Exactly. >> Yeah. No. Agreed.
>> I mean, we have bylaws to enforce. So, >> agree. >> Just like the dog can expectation, get it done. >> I mean, this a couple of these and this is really good. It's comprehensive and I understand your limitations with some of
this. All right. But, um, I got to tell you, I went to concerts and I I there were two different residents that spoke to me about 307 Pleasant, right? And, you know, we And now to see all these other properties layered in here, Jason, I
there's got to be some level of next steps with this. >> Oh, yeah. and you know an enforcement action and you know I have I have visibility to 307 Pleasant because that's how I got home right >> and to hear that that reply was you know
we're just parking the trailer there I got to tell you I've seen people go in and out of that trailer late at night and one resident you know I'm speaking here with third-hand information one resident said to me they believe that
the house is not habitable and so their occupants are living in the trailer. Where that information came from, I don't know. I do know there was a tree that came apart in back of the house. Oh, yeah. >> And it did some damage and it may have done some damage to the roof on the house. I I don't really know. I don't I
can only know what I see from looking at it at the street, but that house has got a lot of attention from a lot of people. And everybody's kind of sitting at us going, "Okay, what are we doing about this?" and whether I I I'm gonna tell you I've looked at that house and
structurally I'm not sure that that house shouldn't be condemned. >> Well, we haven't been doing nothing for that. I mean, there have been the board of health is >> Well, she did. She wrote a letter, but back to last April. This is August.
>> Yeah. But I Well, I'll tell you this. So 30 that specific property um you would I think at the last meeting you would ask to have it on the agenda for this meeting. Um and I intended to
get um essentially a notification letter to them before we we it was placed on the agenda. >> Yeah. >> Essentially as a hey heads up here. >> Yeah. >> Um just in fairness I wanted to do that. I didn't I didn't get around to it. >> No, it's fine.
>> And then since but but I'll say this since then Sue found a file about this thick over the over the course of I don't know the last 10 years say of letters that have been written to the
owner of that address about a whole host of issues. So, yes, it just kind of started back up with the board of health in April, but there's I I'll send you the file if you're interested. The file goes back
quite some time on the property. It is it is this has been a discussion for if I had known that before, I just would have put it on the agenda to be honest. But, um but yeah, it's it's it's been a discussion for a long long time. And honestly, there probably other
properties on that list that you could say the same thing about. >> And the absolutely, >> you know, as we discuss them, um, you know, some of these issues aren't dealt with here frequently. So, um, there's some work that needs to be
done on developing paths forward on each one of them. to be honest um it wasn't immediate clear immediately clear in the meeting for a variety of them on what the next step should be um are there violations
maybe yes maybe no there so there's there's a lot of work that needs to go into those and I we talked as a group about doing them not every month but have a followup to talk about what the next steps are yeah um on a somewhat
regular basis so we stay on top of them. But like I said, I think the what Karen was saying, I think the first step is how do we want to handle how do we want to handle them? Because similar to the to the dog,
if you're in it, you're in it. And it's going to it part of I think the reason some of these do exist is because it costs money to enforce these things. At the end of the day, it's going to cost money to enforce them. >> That's not a reason not to do it. But I do think that's probably a reason that
it hasn't been done. Um, so there's a lot more work on that stuff to come for sure >> and a lot of followup that's needed. >> Would it help to have like I know this this is a lot of work for our building inspector. Does he need like a a
commissioner of sorts to help organize? >> We have a backup building inspector that could be brought in to assist with this. >> Yeah. who's very willing to work. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean to me the question of do we want to do it
to me it should be are you complying or you not complying and if you are not complying there should be enforcement. It shouldn't be well done I'll come back >> or this one's been like this for 5 years
and we haven't >> it's fine. If we're going to be serious about it and treat everyone the same and treat everyone fairly, you should be held to everybody should be held to the same standard. And so enforcement should
be based on that. There are some that will be difficult, you know, but that's ultimately that's how we should be treated in my in my opinion. It's great. >> Yeah, >> there's a lot there's a lot of work >> here to do and I'm not sure I I I'm
going to tell you I I'll I'll speak to this a little later, but I think there may if we're going to do it in this with you know with this approach. I think there may be another property or two that should be on that. >> Oh, that's why I sent it to you. Absolutely. Absolutely. If if you have others, please
>> we can't we can't do nothing. >> I agree. And you know, I bought a house in upstate Maine that was condemned and the town took it to tax title and you know, it went to auction and we bought it. But one of the things that happened
to that house is all the legal fees became a municipal lean and so when I bought that house, I had to pay those legal fees to the to the town to clear it. So maybe I don't know about Massachusetts cuz it was in Maine.
If we've got legal fees that we're going to incur as a result of taking action on this, I want to know whether or not Massachusetts will allow us to put a municipal lean on the house so that we can recover whatever legal fees there are. And I know I'm farreaching with
that at this point, but this my experience with buying one of these cuz that house had that house I bought partially collapsed and it was just I we're going to tear it down. the legal fees did get added into the and I had to write a check for all that
stuff. So, but I think we got to we got to get after this cuz it's not just him. There's a you got a few on here that just opened my eyes and I'm like we got we got to we this thing has got to get some traction.
It just does. So, overall this report that you put together is really well done. It's it's just it gets right to the point. It's not blah blah blah. It's good job. Thanks. If you have if you have things you want to add to it, please. >> Yeah.
>> Send me an email or give me a call. >> Sounds good. Anything else? >> The blue bins/green bins. >> I know. Good. >> Right. That's better. That's good. >> Motion to have camouflage.
>> Well, that's next step. >> Second. All in favor. >> All right. Meeting adjourned. Thank you all. >> Thank you. It's hot