than for call the uh March 10th 2025 meeting to order please your rise for the pledge Al to of the United States of America to the for it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all make a motion to adopt tonight's agenda as presented second I have a motion in a second all those in favor I I oppos None
said motion passes um public forum Tammy Tammy gimple uh 22359 baton Street Mayor and Council um I'm here for a couple things I I I know I keep harping on it seems
like a certain something um with the fire department and I I just feel like I'm not being heard so I um I believe there's there's I want to say things wrong with the city of East bual I looked for a a s simonon to wrong I
couldn't find anything that that actually was better than wrong so wrong it is and I think that was reflected by how many people ran for Council and mayor this last year which was impressive to me to see and I can
appreciate that and um I think a lot of that was our city is some of what I see wrong is it's it's a good old boys club there's a lot of it's it's who you know and not what you know
and and I hope that is changing I hope some of the people that we voted for are changing that um I was looking through the last meeting and uh Susan Urkel
council member URL I have a kind of a new phone respect for you I've been watching you and seeing some of the questions and stuff you're asking and I I can appreciate a lot of that and
one of the things you asked was um about the emergency plan the emergency plan that that we had we paid we paid Capstone to to do up their review and in
that I mean they have a he had a whole page on that he had written up on the emergency operation plan um while existing urgently needs an update and training on its contents must begin as soon as possible this was started in
March of 24 it is now March of 25 and I mean it went it goes an entire page and if you read it and I know most of you have read it and if you read it again and pick up on the things I've picked up on it's I mean it's a legal
document that that has to be done and not only has to be done but it's of huge utmost importance to the residents of East bethl to residents of every city but ours
obviously needs needs help and and then training and we have a chief that we hired that was hired that is supposed to also be the emergency manager and that's
what his description was when he was hired it was fire chief emergency manager he has not touched that since he's been the chief and that's that shouldn't be that way again
now we spent money to to hire hire someone that pointed out that it's inadequate hugely inadequate and and look's response was that that um it's of top priority and that it's it's being
worked on but the county needs a finalizers first and I I'm assuming you're not going to talk to me while I'm up here but I don't understand that that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever why a why the county would have finalized theirs before we have
ours done ours ours should have been updated ated two years ago 3 years ago and now it's it's you know we paid someone to point that out even more so and since
September the fire chief that we I I believe he's probably the second highest paid person in the city running a very important department that isn't he he
isn't doing that job and and I'm going to keep saying it it's because he's not qualified and I'm going I'm gonna I'll I'll end with with this he is he's not an EMT and that's and and some people maybe don't understand that but to put
it in perspective when he comes up here and shows you you know how many calls there are right I think last I think January there was 83 calls or something like that and 60 some of those calls were medical so it's always in yellow
it's all yellow a few other colors in there right for you know car accidents other things but it's mostly Medicals those whatever it is 80% plus calls
he anyone that is an EMT is actually in charge of those calls versus him so if you have a six-month firefighter that's been on for 6 months that's it and they are an
EMT they outrank him at those Medicals and even though he's the chief of our fire department he is being out outranked at every single medical because he is not an EMT and my problem biggest problem with
that is because I was on the fire department and worked under him and I think I had three or four times I had to file against him because he was trying to stop me from doing life-saving
interventions while I was an EMT and he was a chief above me and we had to we went back and forth with him trying to get him to understand that at those Medicals I outranked him
even though I was underneath him firewise if that makes any sense a lot of our residents are are old some of them are older we have a lot of older residents and those are the people that need those life saving interventions
and they're being he again going on all these medical calls he's being outranked by the EMTs that shouldn't we're paying so much money for a chief that we could at least get that and we don't even have that
that's one tiny piece he's he's not qualified and I wish that this we would look at this closer we have there's a lot of good people out there that that can take over that job
that that would be well worth our money that's thank you consent agenda make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presume we have a second second and I'd
like to pull a b c d and e f and g okay okay motion's been made second and to uh adopt this all in favor with the amended say I I
opposed a okay a is the bills list and I have a question about the arena electric is that a monthly charge the $4,500 it just seems a little high so I'm just kind of
curious I actually don't have the answer on that Nate do you know by chance I should be monthly chares I yeah is do you think monthly is a good price cuz I I could see if it were a bigger Arena but it our Ice Arena isn't
that huge compared to others and I really haven't compared other people's electrical prices but $4,500 for one building seems over the top and then my other question is that
18,000 for the auditor is that just like a is that something they do year round or is it for a one month they come in an audit and how much per hour are we paying them because that seems like over the top two
maybe we need to find a new auditor that's a little bit less so those are my two questions I don't know if you don't have an answer maybe you can get back to me another time there's nothing I can change on it I just wanted to bring that to
attention bear with me I'll pull up the uh yeah Ice Arena just has it broken out we can double check on the ice arena Mr chair and council members see if that's one month or a collection of months or
what the case may be on that um but uh I would assume appreciate that I would assume it's not inexpensive to run those uh ice making you know systems in there okay with that I'll make a motion to approve item a second
okay we got a motion in a second all in favor I I oppos None heard motion passes b b is the minutes um I wanted to bring up the when the fire chief was talking
they totally omitted his comments about the chickens and the fires and the heat lamps and I think they should be added because it's important public information um Mr uh Mr Mayor and council members uh the minutes uh that we pay for are not
word verbatim I understand that summarize them and if we want to add um additional minutes in there we can certainly table them get you know get whatever that exact word verbatim is add it to it and bring it back in the next
council meeting if you like and it doesn't have to be verbatim it can just be a blurp about the warnings he gave about chickens and heaters and fires because everybody's getting more chickens out here so with that I'll table the minutes of February 24th so
they can be added in second have a motion a second all in favor posos nard motion passes c c is the adopta parks by the Lake Beach
people and I just want to send out my appreciation to all of them because I used to do that and it's hard work and I really appreciate them so I just want to give them some Kudos and thanks from all of us up here with that I'll approve item C with the of the consent agenda
second we have a motion second all in favor I I oppos unone heard passes D okay item D um somebody else may need to answer this this is the resurfacing bids um I'm just wondering
we're taking going for the very lowest um price on there which I I'm very fiscally um conservative so but I also believe quality is important not just price and I am wondering if you guys
have checked the reviews and um if if their work has been above par in the past or if they've had issues I just wonder if that kind of
thing has been checked with this knife is it Knife River or I can't Knife River good evening mayor and councel uh M CLE to your question the Borland companies is the company that's done this for us for quite a few years
they've usually been the low they've always been the lowest bid for the product that we use it's a higher quality material and we're very confident with their work and they do they do really good work they're from Athens Township so they're kind of local um good to know we buy a lot of material
from them too so yeah we're it is quality and low price both on this one so okay thank you with that I'll make a motion to approve item D of the consent agenda second second have a motion in a second all in
favor I I poos unheard e and e I just wanted to bring up um this these bonding bills I'm all for them but in that brings up this question of what stake is the schools going to
have in this when if if this gets approved are the schools going are they going out for additional money from the state are they going to give some of their lovey money to support this because I think they need to have a stake in this I don't think the city of
East bethl should be the only um people liable for this I think St Francis I think Oak Grove everybody that uses that school and goes to that those schools should be have a stake in it and
put for some money Mr Mayor and council members if I can just clarify some of the I don't know if the confusion is on this matter or not but sometimes when you take out debt as a city it's called a bond and a bonding bill is also a bill at the state level
where you ask the state to take out a general obligation Bond pay for a project at a city uh this is the state level uh where we are going to the state and we're asking them for $10.5 million for water treatment
well um a water tower and the lines to connect the the schools so the schools currently have a they're on well and septic their septic is extremely large and failing from what I'm understanding the well is pulling up um known contaminants uh and so they've been
asking if they can hook up to city sewer and water service there's a cost to doing that and that's this cost um they are in close proximity to the decommission landfill and that may be part of the challenges that we're we're seeing over there as as it relates to
how would they pay for how would they pay for either replacing their current septic system or hooking up to a city service um they would charge the taxpayer to do that if they if it was money coming out of their
pocket they would charge a taxpayer to do that um that means local dollars if we go to the state and say we believe there's a regional benefit to this we believe it can benefit the city it can benefit a future Economic Development it can also help the um the um the mech
Council treatment plant operate more efficiently uh there there's more of a regional benefit to it now and the state has in the past supported clean water projects such as this and um and may you they may support this we're hoping they do um but they may come to the table
with a staging mechanism where you get 3 million a year or something like that to you pay for it the goal here um to define the stake of it who who's got a stake in it the goal here is not to is to use what I call um opium other people's money
uh to fund this project um the city as you know took out a $20 million Bond our debt to pay for the current uh uh sewer system lines that are in there the thought of taking out another 10 million is probably a failure to leave the Launchpad you know type of idea so but
for the state stepping in and paying for this type of a project it's probably not going to happen anytime soon so I don't think I was really clear I realize this this is for money from the state but I also strongly believe there's no way we're going to do this
for this price for $10 million when the one that we have over there was over 50 million um so if if the state comes in with say it does cost 10 million and the state comes in with 5 million for us we
have to come up with the other five million would the school be responsible for a portion of that five million is what my question was in the beginning that's what I was trying to Sure portray so so you're asking if the state comes in short yes the options on the table
would be not to do the project um option b would be to go to the school and say you need to participate um that would be a a tough scenario to say we have a $10 million project the state's going to give us five million who's going to come to the
table with the other five uh that's a that's a tough nut to crack um and I and I think that's going to be part of the goal in in in lobbying for this is to say you know what we've already got we're strangled in in debt right now from the current system we're
not going to add to it and uh and so we can certainly encourage the school to go ahead and replace their their septic system of which you know who knows how long that'll operate and you'll probably get to replace it again sometime in the future or we can just do it right the first time and and um and that's what we
would encourage the state to participate in so okay thank you with that I'll make a motion to approve item D on the consent agenda or was it that was e I'm sorry item e second I have a motion and second all in
favor I I oppos None heard 7 A1 [Music] all right thank you Mr mayor council members the first item is the first planning item excuse me is an interim
use permit for grazing at 20485 East Betha Boulevard uh the applicants have applied for sheep grazing on the property uh which is zoned and guided rural residential shown on the screen outlined in red the request is to be able to graze
13 sheep this is not their property they'd be leasing this property or using someone else's property uh outlined in blue is generally the area where the grazing would occur and as they explained at the Planning Commission uh they will have a temporary fence that will allow them to
move the Sheep around the site for grazing an interim use permit is a conditional use that has a termination or a sunset clause and our ordin includes 10 standards for an interim use permit cup and includes additional standards
for animals and staff finds that both the general iup standards and the animal standards have been set have been met excuse me and that the iup should terminate if any of the following three things happen they violate the terms of
the inter use permit uh the land title is is transferred meaning the land is sold and it's a different property owner or they failed to start the operations within three years of approval the Planning Commission held a public hearing at their last meeting and
reviewed this item other than the applicants there was no one present to speak on the item the Planning Commission did vote to recommend approval and so we uh recommend that the council move to adopt resolution 25-13 approving the request for iup for
grazing of 13 sheep or gos at 20845 East Beth Boulevard as recommended by Planning Commission I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 2025-the of farm animals on property located at
20845 East bethl Boulevard Northeast East bethl Minnesota pin 23-33 23-11 d004 second okay we have a motion second any discussion I do have a question
if you have property and your neighbor has property and they want to use your property and you're okay with it I don't understand why we're going through all this to get the variance I need to understand that a little bit more because I'd like to give my neighbor permission to come over if he asked me
to graze his sheep or whatever so can you clarify that a little bit why this is needed uh Mr mayor council member I don't have all the history on your ordinance and why it exists the way way that it does um it is more restrictive
than some cities that I work in but the your code requires an interim use permit uh for animals for many things and this is one of them okay so that's certainly something you could look at in the future but this is uh this is why they
had an inim use permit on their own property just to have animals so having animals is what triggers the interim use permit having animals on your property I should say okay any other discussion I have a motion in a second
all those in favor I oppos None heard motion passes good luck with the sheet 7 uh A2 yes this is a preliminary plat uh the property owner or the applicant has
applied for a three lot subdivision uh named Blanco deola prera and it is two existing Parcels as shown on the plat it will have three flag Lots North South Lots on this property that's zoned and guided rural residential on the screen
you can see the three lots lining up against the county road there there's a large wetland in the back the applicant has complied with uh all code requirements for a preliminary plat in this District the city engineer has reviewed and has provided a number of conditions of
approval that must be met Anoka County has reviewed and provided comments but the key takeaway is that additional right of way is required as shown on the plans and the proposed access points are acceptable so there are a number of conditions that need to be addressed
prior to submitt of the final plat but staff finds that it does with those conditions comply with code requirements the Planning Commission held a public hearing at their last meeting uh other than the applicant no one spoke on this item and staff recommends the council moved to approve the resolution as
recommended by Planning Commission do we have a motion make a motion to approve resolution 2025-the [Music] [Music]
3323 32 0012 and 2633 23 23001 Second okay we have a motion in a second any discussion I have some comments um my first comment is why do things come before us when there's all
these other things that they still have to do why don't they get them done and then bring this to us or at least show good faith and get some of them done before it comes to us that's just a
generic question right yeah it's very common that there are conditions of preliminary appli it's very expensive to do these projects and and I think probably occasionally people are a little closer to being complete but this is a land owner who's not a professional developer
he understands that before it comes back to you with final plat they all need to be addressed so he has no right to do anything with the preliminary plat except move forward with the final plat so when that comes back you will be able to see that all the conditions have been
met I think it's simply a matter of this is his first subdivision I believe I don't I believe that's what he said at the Planning Commission so I won't put words in his mouth but sometimes there are things that just need to be worked through and this property has never been divided before right because we do have
some kind of rule where you can only divide a property once no this is the old Norm Coter Farm okay and it's intact yeah it's right across from me basically and just to clarify if I could Mr Mayor the code actually says you can't do uh
administrative subdivisions more than ones but you can replat property more than once oh okay my misunderstanding all right so I do have a big concern and that's because it's on a FL flood plane
and all these wetlands because recently during the last Council somebody had issue and put in a driveway and they spent tens of thousands of dollars and then another organization came in and said no you can't put that driveway
there you have to put it over here because of the wet lands so are all these different organizations involved in this whole development because I don't want to see people spend
tons of money and then find out oh you got to tear that building down it's too close to water it's too close to this I mean I've seen people we've had residents who have put up a swing set and they're like nope it's too close to the water you got to take it down a
swing set so uh I would like to make sure that all the organizations that provide rules and regulations on wetlands and flood planes have been notified and inspect and done their
part Mr Mayor and council members I think the one you're referring to is a filling of the Wetland was the issue involved there and um and anytime you fill a wetland you're going to have people all over you for doing so I think in this one here it's the wetlands in the back and and as long as they're not
building in the delineated portion of that Wetland they're safe but if they put a swing set in past the delineated line they'll get in trouble for doing that yeah okay but my question was all the different organizations that got
involved with that driveway which they didn't even know they had they just thought it was a NOA and the city and there was at least two other organizations that dealt with it have been contacted and done their
surveys Mr Mayor and council member generally Army Core of Engineers aren't involved in these type of plats um you know um I'm not even sure if the local um lower Rim River Watershed or Sunrise gets involved in in handling any of these plats unless you're replacing
Wetland if you're going to do it a two to one replacement or something because you're going to be filling some of it then you got to go through all those permits and get all that and that's where they're involved um but if you if you just do it thinking you can get away with it more than likely someone will report you and you'll be you'll be in
the throws of trying to deal with those agencies so okay thank you that's all I have any other discussion have a motion and a second all those in favor say I I I opposed
none heard motion passes 7 a-3 this is a rezoning at 22206 to rant Street the applicant owns property uh that is currently guided rural residential and zoned rural
residential and is requesting that it be rezoned to agriculture the uh request is consistent with the comprehensive plan that land use designation in the comprehensive plan does identify both rural residential and egg as potential
compatible zoning districts the applicant indicates that he would like to reone to a uh for to allow more accessory structures uh because there are no accessor restructure limits on agricultural buildings um the Planning Commission held a public hearing other
than the applicant no one was present to speak on this item and they recommended approval of the request so this evening we recommend that the council move to adopt ordinance number 20 2501 approving the rezoning I'll make a motion to approve
ordinance number 20 25-01 uh resoning of um property identified as 02- 33-23 d44
d001 22206 Durant Street second have a motion a second any discussion none being heard all those in favor I I oppose none heard motion
passes 8 A1 slides that one that's just pull up the staff either way I had a couple um the last one is the barn dominium I've seen this way yeah I lost
my pointer uh the barndominium ordinance we were here last month uh talking about this and um we've prepared a draft ordinance uh for your consideration tonight the ordinance is in draft form so that you can provide feedback to
staff and then we would schedule a public if we um have good direction and council is comfortable we would schedule a public hearing at the Planning Commission to consider the ordinance Amendment so a couple things that came up um in the staff report um there's
several parts of the ordinance that have potential impacts if we make this change to the code and um we've identified those different sections one thing is that we should Define it as we talked about last time seems like all of a sudden
everybody's talking about it but what does it really mean and really um under the building code we Define it this is the building State Building Code definition um a principal structure with an attached shop or storage area usually built from post frame construction so as
we talked about post frame constructions part of it the other part is just that it often looks like a pole barn that it's metal siding um little architectural um design um but as we looked at the ordinance we also uh thought about the
fact that your ordinance does prohibit home occupations in detached accessory buildings uh in the language in the ordinance and but does allow a path forward for somebody to come forward and ask for one but we wanted to make sure that we do address that if we're going
to make a change here in a barn dominium which I think generally is made for uh often is made for home occupations that's one of the reasons people want to do it um as opposed to a detached
garage um so when we look at the ordinances um if you go down I think um there we go the metal siding our code this came up there was a question from I forget which council member about why you couldn't have metal siding because a council at some point decided that you
couldn't have metal siding and so um a question tonight for the council is is metal siding an acceptable uh Building Material in on houses in East bethl um you know we have Urban houses
we have R rural houses is that an acceptable building material and I think it does affect the um value of homes and I think it's maybe something you would want to limit to certain uh districts or certain product types and so if we want
to limit it to the barn dominium um we would simply say you should have two standards at a minimum that the panels have been Factory treated that avoids the old corrugated metal that we used to have on the farms
and to have concealed Fasteners that also gives it a more residential character and of less of a agricultural uh look to it but if if you think metal siding is acceptable on any and all homes then you
wouldn't really need to call out the barn dominium specifically that's probably the biggest hurdle to the barn dominium right now is that metal siding the third piece uh relates to the size of the attached structure and so I
really spent some time kind of looking at the code in our detached accessory structure section of our ordinance in section 14 we've got a whole mish mash of things that are both attached and E detached um structure that we need to I
think clear up a little bit one of the suggestions is that if the intent is to say that these Square footages are just for detached in the table we allow up to 3,000 square fet
for a 5 acre lot 3,000 squ ft of detached accessory structure one tool that some cities use is to say we want to manage the size of accessory structures on Lots that aren't egg and
so one way to do it is to say attached accessor buildings including garages with a footprint of less than 1,000 square feet a standard garage two star garage is 440 sare ft for reference so
an attached garage of less than 1,000 square fet you get for free if you want to have more than 1,000 square ft attached like for a barndominium potenti ually you would deduct that amount over
1,000 square ft against your detached accessory building footprint you just do that by right there's no special permit then you just allow people to do a larger garage um you don't call it anything different you
just call it a house with a really big garage if you want to avoid iups or conditional use permits or things like that that's a great way to manage that size just tell people they can do it and you control your accessory structure um
uh square footage that way so we looked at how big are barndominiums what's the issue we're trying to solve whenever we change the code that should be our first question what's the problem we're trying to solve um when we look at the Menard's
examples of barndominiums not trying to sell Manards it's just easy to find the information those square footage for the barn miniums ranged from 2900 to 6,000 square ft and those garages were as small as 570 square fet and as large as
3500 Square ft uh comparing the garage size to the living space has a little that was a little trickier we thought about you know you can have up to four times the size of your living space in a garage and it just felt a little bit arbitrary
I there was no data out there about the right number so we kept I kept coming back to the idea that if the intent is to limit the amount of accessory space on a lot which I think the city has already done by that accessory dwelling unit
table then I think this is a simple way to manage that approach if you deal with if you decide how you want to deal with metal siding first uh then you can move on to how you
want to deal with the garage space and then a number of the other ordinance Amendment uh potential potential ordinance amendments that I put in the staff report kind of become clearer so I gave you the whole report hopefully you had a chance to take a
look at it um I'm looking for direction tonight again if you're comfortable with metal siding everywhere you don't really need to change the barn dominium to make that a new specific use but if you want to limit it to barndominiums we would
suggest allow barndominiums in the A and Rural residential district Define them as outlined allow metal siding on them and then we can talk about what do you want to do with accessory building square footage do you like our my suggestion do you want to do
something different so happy to answer questions be part of the discussion whatever you'd like Mr may can you go over the pictures and let me know which ones are metal size and which ones are something else
because they all look pretty nice to me so on the let's see what sheet is it think I put the cut she on the slide 111 Matt if you look at that one page 111 yeah of the
packet oh the next one I guess it is sorry um all of these are metal siding um metal siding can be the first one which I think has a very agricultural
look with the uh it's not quite bored and bad but the um L vertical uh seams um the one in the middle uh the vertical seams is sort of a Bard and batten look they've also got a
um a shake look on that house the one on the bottom is also metal and has um lap siding with a little bit I think the board and Baton is also lap siding on this one although that might be something
else so metal siding um has come a long way um I think most cities still prohibit metal siding but I do see cities starting because of things like this uh
starting to allow uh more of an option so I wouldn't mind any of those as houses as my neighbors with metal siding however they're not big sheets of white
or red or of metal that looks like flat sheets of metal what specifications would we need to put in an ordinance that would make them look like these that's what I would
want yeah so what you would do is you would say things like uh metal siding is pro permitted provided there are um two or more styles of metal siding meaning the shake and
the the lap you could say things like metal siding is permitted as long as you have Wes uh wanes coating which is the you know the brick on the bottom or um colored um uh accent and trim boards
you could say things like um you know a certain percentage of the house only a certain percentage can be one um style of sighting those are the things you'd do if you wanted to prevent um I think
there's an example of what some people might think on page let's see what is this page 105 or even this one maybe 105 to me looks less more agricultural less
residential or that one you know that one looks like a pole barn like it or don't it looks like a pole barn right so it is this one this is what pole barns look like yeah and this one I wouldn't mind if it were somebody's accessory structure but I
wouldn't want that to be somebody's house next door right I think there's a difference between a pole barn behind your home and this as your principal structure I think you could find that so that's where you would want to have some mixes their W's cating is just a different color of the standing seam
metal and so you know you could say standing seam metal is not acceptable um there are some things that you could do like that I think what I need to hear from the council as a whole is kind of what's important to you and then we can
figure out how to write a code to get there so the metal sighting is that uh you're just referring to the metal panel or does that include uh steel lap sighting I from your code prohibits
metal periods so this would be steel lap siding it would be all metal siding oh does it State no metal yeah the language in the code um specifically list the materials that are acceptable
go back of how you have it wrote up in the packet it's the exterior walls of all single family residences shall be similar in appearance to normal wood vinyl sighting or masonary residential
construction and if you took uh vinyl lap sighting and metal lap sighting you really can't tell a difference from from the road so I would make an argument that uh um
steel lap siding is similar in appearance to vinyl lap siding but nowhere does it have the metal panels that would traditionally come on say a pole
building the standing seam yes so some of these pictures they do have the steel lap siding on them like that and it looks like your normal vinyl sighting from the road until you actually walk up and get close to it you
usually can't tell the difference unless you're a sighting expert you can identify stuff from the road yeah and I would say previous staff has indicated just from notes I've seen that they were not accepting that as similar
that metal siding wasn't the same quality I think was their interpretation and so if we think it is that's a great way to deal with it to then you would I would suggest you'd want to say U metal lap siding and just
to clarify verify that because I do think you're you're right I think that the quality of that product has changed a lot in the last 20 years yep yeah and uh it's usually defined as
a upgrade from Vinyl so if we want to get that specific in some of our stuff that uh in some of the definitions that if we want to allow certain types
where has that or uh shake or uh accessory something we would certainly need to Define that or call out what's not allowed that might be easier
or if we don't want a pole bar and look MH kind of start from there and go that down that route so are most council members thinking the standing seam sheeting is not going to be allowed I hopefully we want it to look
more like a house residential house than um we want it to look like a house and not a a p bar yes and but however if it's for a stru an additional structure Building a
garage a pole barn a storage building then it's fine with me but for the barom minum aspect and we um could we have a house and a we could
have a house and a barn dominium right on a property or no we can only have one principal structure okay I guess another way we could combat it to is if you especially on the street side of the building you come up so many
feet with like brick or something so it ain't all metal anybody else well I agree with what's being said here that it's very important that we separate the two from what Susan's talking about and and what Bryan's
talking about but this type of siding and steel sighing uh it it's night and day from what it was 10 years ago the quality of it how it reacts how it holds up the weather wind everything it's it's a perfect upgrade like I heard
earlier to to putting siding on your house and I think our residents would be more than happy to have stuff like this if they either built one or lived by one or so forth it these are classy buildings I guess the only other downfall I can
think of is are we going to be increasing our iupp cups with buildings like this well we have a lot of interest in it I think good well would we even need a iup or
cup if this is run into an ordinance yeah so I think what we've what I've proposed is we all what I proposed is Barn dominium are an allowed use in the rural residential and egg district and I think what I'm hearing is that metal siding is permitted or should be
permitted um for lap or other decorative siding but not standing seam and so the only question I think that remains then is how do you manage the size um the you know some of them are um
very tall but it's your principal structure and our principal structure does have a height that can accommodate this so that's not an issue on these like it is on detached accessory structures so it's really a matter of how do you control um the amount of
accessory structure on a lot and in my red lines I made some suggestions to that section 14 and that's on page what page is that on there's a lot of text here
um and so I'd like some feedback about that idea about how you manage the amount of accessory space otherwise I think we're in pretty 95 yeah so that um is the existing table
and there's just some inconsistencies about how we use building versus structure so I tried to clean uh that up and if you go up above it Matt uh number four this was the new l language that really we have a minimum size for
garages but we don't have a Max for attached garages um and so it was a little bit unclear about whether that table there was attached and detached uh square footage square
footage all-inclusive and going back and reading some of the old staff reports didn't provide a ton of clarity so this is my suggestion and a welcome feedback back on this idea so if we adopted these changes sorry I would just say these
would be permitted uses it wouldn't come in front of you as currently drafted so you're comparing it to a principal structure that has a garage attach garage and they come in and want a accessory building this is Max size so
you're taking now the bar aminium uh assuming a certain amount of square footage for the garage I think he marked a th000 square feet for the garage and anything up above anything over and
above that would be considered accessory building and that would be the max per their lot correct okay yep good so if I had a for an example if I had a 5 acre lot that table gives me 3,000 squet of
detached accessory building so under this proposal I could attach a 4,000 fo garage to my house what this doesn't do is have um uh yeah so that's what that would do okay it seems like a reasonable
place to start yeah I believe the first one one of the first reasons people are building baram miniums is not to have a ton of accessory structures outside have it all contained in one area M so I I can see where this would work
and I think it's a start because I I want to contemplate the overall size excuse me a little bit because I think about some of these mansions that are on small Lots you know like a Minot
tanka and Adina and stuff and I'm like well their house is 10,000 square feet and they hardly have any grass so I I want to I want to contemplate the this size ratios but I I like where we're going right
now the one thing that's in the staff report that I'd also mentioned on the garage size and it could become a Code Enforcement issue but home occupations can't exceed 50% of the gross living area of the principal structure so if you have a th000 foot house and a 4,000
foot garage your business part is not that whole garage and that will be a little bit tricky but maybe people just want it for all their sleds and bootes and stuff so just something to be thinking about but I feel like I have good direction unless other council
members have more thoughts I think we could draft this up and we could either bring it back to you in another draft form or we could bring it to the Planning Commission for a public hearing um I do have a couple questions um so I asked this question
because on social media I've seen pictures um of so-called Barn aminium that the garage is incorporated into the living space so they have a garage and they it's all one big open they have garage
doors they have their living room right there they have a loft entertaining area etc etc so w with that in mind um is are these garages defined from the living
area and separated from the living area just like a normal single family home would be you'd have your garage you have your firewall then you have your living space I am going to double check with the building official but I believe that
they are one of the reasons the Minnesota building code actually adopted these standards is because they had concerns about that we see that a lot with the car condos yep um kind of stuff I believe with the bar dominium you do have to separate the living space from
the garage space but I will be I will confirm that and bring that back okay um uh question on the definition of the barn aminium says a single family
detached principal residential structure uh so I know what a detached townhouse is because the town halls implies that it's one big building with multiple units a detach town house is a single unit uh in this definition how
does detached a single family detached principal structure how why is it being called detached yeah both the building code and generally the planning lingo call what you and I call just a house calls that single family
detached uh structure so that's just the term that the again that definition comes directly from the building code and that's how they refer to it but really what it means is a house yeah a principal structure mhm okay um then one
other thing that a question to be asked um okay we allow these in Agricultural and Rural residential um in rural residential we
do have planted subdivisions of single family homes that are of we could call a different type than baram minum uh question would be asked would we allow Barnum in a platted single family
development because it's almost like putting a single family home in a town housee development it's kind of two different different living structures living buildings great question I think that's up to the council I would say two things the
council can could set a minimum lot size in those zoning districts for barndominiums which would solve some of the ploted subdivision question but not all um uh I would be cautious about tying it
to whether the lot is platted or not because there's just so much that's different a platted subdivision so not just a single lot right but but anything that's a platted lot one block one Brian Edition is part of a subdiv
mhm so um whether it's a two lot subdiv you know Blanco is a subdivision and so in that case it probably would be appropriate those are large Lots right but um there are others where it wouldn't be I feel like it's tied more to lot
size so that's a question for Council the other thing I would note is often uh subdivisions that are platted by I can't think of who's done one here but just say P or Sentra Sentra homes often has covenants that would would
prohibit this so sometimes you'll have subdivisions that'll control that so that's a great question is is there a minimum lot size besides the zoning that you want to limit these to I don't
know it's a question definitely be talked about um so I think that that's all the questions I came up with and to your question I would say I prefer you bring the draft back to the council before you take it to the
Planning Commission I don't know what everybody else thinks but that's my official opinion just for a simple review then discussion done done all right moving on see
administrator okay get to the right area here okay uh this is uh agenda item 8.0 G2 and this is Administrative coordinator position description update and salary grade change Carrie Frost began employment with the city of East
bethl as an administrative assistant on November 4 2011 she was Pro promoted to the city permit technician position October 1st 2014 and she was promoted to her current position as administrative coordinator and since that time uh her
position duties have expanded and uh there's a list of them on here I will just I think that's 113 and see she does a lot she does a lot um they don't have on here the goto for any question but I know that's uh
one of the big things she does so anyways um in addition she's a scheduled complete her city clerk certification on in July of 2025 this year and uh that's a big certification one that's uh very important and currently right now the
administrative uh position coordinator position is at grade six or 3538 an hour um and uh we want to kind of stay within the East bethl uh salary Matrix and going up to grade seven would be 3892 an
hour and it has a fiscal impact of $736 Plus benefits annually and it is the recommendation of staff to um approve and update this uh position and
change the grade change um from six to 7 as noted here effective March 11th 20125 I'll make a motion to approve this the um update Administration coordinator
position from grade six to grade seven effect of March 11 2025 second okay we have a motion second discussion thank you for everything you do Carrie it's really appreciates not
not just for Council it's for the residents I just want to say I think this is the way promotions everywhere should occur I think people people should earn it and I strongly believe Carrie has always gone above and beyond and she definitely has earned
this okay a motion a second all those in favor I opposed none heard motion passes Mr Mayor we'll go on to item number uh G2 and G3 G2 is a sunrise
River Water Management organization budget and GPA joint Powers agreement Amendment and uh this comes every every year you'll see what we've paid here in the past uh and what's being proposed and what the East Bethal portion of it
is and um there is a joint Powers the second part of this is the joint Powers agreement uh which essentially when they're coming up with their new plan that's required by the state how do you fund that is it is it operating cost or is it um not operating cost and that's
uh and you know there's the way the percentages are broken out uh we pay more for U non-operating costs than we do for operating and the recommendation is to actually do a um operating budget expense or at 25% each uh of the member
cities um otherwise it breaks out as Columbus 19 athal 30 Ham Lake 4 and lwood 47 so um the the uh plan is estimated around 50
some, uh so it is a significant um requirement let's call it an unfunded mandate from the state and uh and has to be budgeted for accordingly so what's being proposed is to budget for it over a number of years so that it doesn't spike in one year and and you see a
large increase in that budget and any R um the sunrise is before you for approval this evening so we' need uh two separate motions you can make one motion approving the budget and the jpa if
you'd like who sir kind of two different discussions you can do it separately if You' like okay well as it Li on to Sunrise is there any questions on the budget I just want to know what they're doing
different for that justifies the increase I mean 2025 there's no big increase at all but to 2026 the the increase is starting to budget for the funding the 10e plan
that's where the big increase comes from that's for the sunrise one what about the other one um maybe we can talk about it after we vote for this one same sort of deal though y yeah same same reason MH okay
so got it well I'd make a motion then to approve the 2026 budget of 50, 643 for the sunrise second have a motion second any more
discussion hearing none all those in favor I I I oppos None heard motion passes so and for the GP jpa Amendment uh currently the 10-year plan
is uh I call identified as has a non-operating cost and so it is broken down by the ratio that Mr look stated before um so what was proposed and this was
actually proposed by the Columbus representative that uh the 10-year plan be defined as a um operating cost so everybody would then pay a 25%
amount um so columbuses would actually go up a little bit east Beth will go down Lynwood would go down hamlake would go up a lot and so hamlake may have opposition to it but that's the the
history of where that uh proposed amendment came from and Mr Mayor and Council memb just for clarity to all members need to vote on this so if one doesn't vote on it it doesn't pass you go back to non-operating cost which is the current
way of dealing with it so do we have a motion on this part well we would need a motion to either yeah or nay is there any thoughts from anybody
on it okay none heard uh so I guess I will make a motion to approve the proposed jpa amendment of moving
it the 10year plan cost to in operating cost second second have a motion and a second all those in favor I I I None heard motion
passes and the mayor uh council members the second G3 item is the upper Rum River wat shed management organization 2026 proposed budget it's before you here today again a breakdown of what um what was paid for previously and he
Beth's portion on that and um had it not been for the plan the increases going into the plan this budget would have seen a $60 increase uh but planning for that that uh the cost associated with
that plan uh we have a larger than $60 increase it's before you for approval so this is like $15,000 between 24 and 26 that's the biggest one so
far anyways I'll make a motion for the upper run River management organization 2026 budget that's when we're on right I'll second that for approval so this is the one that I think I was
mostly concerned about cuz the other ones were 3 to 5,000 increase this is like 15,000 so we have a motion second any further discussion hearing none all those in favor I I opposed
I motion passes 4 to one okay Mr Mayor and council members uh one more item here is item 8.0 G4 spring town hall meeting um there was a request to get this before the council to
establish an available date in April to have this meeting and so we have that before you here we have available dates listed out here um and um staff has somewhat looked into this and and um wanted to throw out yet another idea
just conf you know not confuse matters but give you guys a lot of options and that is uh a proposal to hold the annual town meeting in conjunction with the city celebration of booster day and um you know everybody's kind of here anyways and uh it might be kind of
um an opportunity for a lot of folks to participate in that but up to you guys if you want to pick a different date or how you want to handle that this year so if we pick Booster Days what part of booster day would it be would it
be an hour or two in the evening with because I think everybody's going to be exhausted after a full day and they're not going to want to hang out here people come and they're not going to want to come back that's that's my feeling were we
thinking six in the morning Carrie or I believe you you have some thoughts on this as you're involved with planning for booster um as on the right up since I know the booster Day committee is already trying to work on their schedule
for the event this year we would probably want to consult with the committee see what other events are kind of anchored in place already and see where we could wedge it in there in between and see what would be most convenient and then bring that back to council so wait and
see thank you Carrie and because we're talking April I I think maybe we could think about that for next year and start talking about it earlier but I think I'm gonna just sit here and nominate April
for 24th for the date to do it because I know the airport commission would like to come and some other outside organizations that could be Affiliated and like to be promoted by East btha
would like to set up a table is there any conflicts over the 24th 24th sounds good is that a motion I'll make a motion to make the Spring Town Hall April 24th Thursday
second okay we got a motion and a second any further discussion now'll start at six I believe it's the stor six yes and can I ask that make sure we get signs put out
because sometimes in the past there are signs on the major intersections and sometimes there's not so I'd like to see the signs back out to remind people the week of I got a great idea can we get a newsletter out to our working on it
residents prior to that that'll include that information I'll get a more solid date for you on that that'd be awesome okay that said all in favor I I opposed
none heard staff report Mr Mayor and Council just a couple items I want to bring you up to speed on we're uh making excellent progress right now on security system that's being in installed uh we are we have completed the ice arena cameras
we've completed fire station one they are moving to here very soon and then and then I know they're going out to um the spring Aspen so um so far that's moving along nicely they're dedicating a
lot of people to doing that um there's also on June 25th through the 27th there's the League conference it's going to be held in duth this year I don't know if anyone plans on attending that um but if they are uh that is obviously during the week but um if you are
interested in attending that we can get you signed up for that uh as indicated on those bills that were supported here this evening uh I will be lobbying on Thursday uh for at the capital investment committee fortunately I do know the chairwoman of that committee so
hopefully that goes well that will not be approved at that committee but they will um they will move that on to the next committees and so on and so forth uh but we'll at least get a good feel for how they if they're going to be receptive to that or what sort of push back there may be we get a five minute
presentation on that so we're going to cram at all into five minutes um we are in the process of finalizing the financials on the ice arena I know that was brought up a few Council meetings ago we've sold more ice time than before is what I'm told and um
and by all accounts it's being managed much better than it ever was before so people are very happy uh that are that are there and we're uh setting up for next year here determining how we're going to other agencies that might be able to use this and and keep it going we are of course keeping a close eye on
it make sure that um that uh from a financial standpoint it uh it at least breaks even and uh and that is all that I have for this evening I'll stand for questions if there are any okay Council
reports I just want to talk about the newsletter because I know uh on previous Council we talked about even getting it out six times a year last year I think we got it out once what can we do to fix that the residents what I understand there's not
a lot of people that watch the council meetings and stuff like that and but they will read the newsletter if we get it out what can we do to speed that up and try to get at least four times a year yeah Mr Mayor and Council we've we've had this discussion many times the
uh newsletter is kind of a function of um articles and what sort of information goes into it and um and that sort of thing and so if there isn't new articles that say to go into it it's doesn't really make any sense to
put one out um but we are currently have requests out to the different department heads of What's um what's you know what's a current article you want in there for example it's you know um Nick might put an article in there about cleaning cleaning things up in your yard because it's snow is starting to melt
and Things become visible and we start getting complaints for code enforcement those type of Articles uh can go in in there if Council uh has ideas for articles wants to draft articles we can certainly put those in there as well um
and uh and kind of uh make it a a useful document shall we say because it is expensive to put out so okay oh pyb that do we ever sell advertising in that to local businesses since it goes directly to our
residents there is advertising in it I don't know that we push it real hard um we could um we could make a few phone calls or perhaps have the chamber you know kind of research some of that and see if there's people that would be interested in participating in that um
we I know we have more yeah we have more uh people kind of contributing to the ice arena now too they may be uh candidates for that as well and so the newsletter kind of Falls to me and um as far as advertising goes
I do have a list that we when I send out the email to recruit articles and whatnot from staff and other people that have from external entities that have sent us uh articles I also send out a separate email requesting anybody that
wants to have advertising space that they can contact me and we have we do have that listed on our fee schedule as far as the advertising space goes we don't get a whole lot of interest drummed up in that it is also a huge time
suck um to put advertising in yeah cuz most of the time I wind up designing the ads oh no they have that their own but what is the fees I wouldn't be able to tell you off the top of my head I do know that we do
reduce it if they pay for um four additions of the newsletter up front so if they pay for like a year round ad we do I think it is like a 25% discount on the price of the ad depending on the size the largest ad space that we go is a quarter
page so and if you only put out one in a year do they get three the next year it's per Edition that comes out so all right good yep so are we doing the same with the ice
arena are we selling any kind of advertising in there at all we do sell we do have that is also on our fee schedule um that is something that Jay has been handling along with the ice arena management and what if somebody just
gave you a business card and say I want this as an advertisement just like a scan copy of the business card yeah scan copy doesn't work so then yeah you have to recreate the wheel and yeah okay got it it's it's
a Time suck got it so okay thanks yep anyone else I have some questions um back to the key thing that's being installed the security system I had a resident ask me what if the phones get lost if somebody
has they can unlock the doors on the phone and somebody steals their phone NOS or password then what so the the access will be with security cards but they also will have a four-digit pin so um certain locations
you can punch in your PIN get so all the firefighters will have a four-digit pin they can get into the fire department but they remember their four-digit pin just punching that in it'll be it'll be specific each person if you lose your card we can fix it pretty pretty easily but they won't be able to use it for
that time so okay so just because at the last meeting uh Mr look was talking about you can unlock a door for with your phone but you would need a a keypad number two right the administrators of the system can unlock a phone or unlock
it door with the phone so I could do it Matt has if he has access to fief unlock but not everybody okay just certain people so they can call and say we're locked up you Qui Buzz us okay what if somebody sto your phone and knows my phone's locked and password
protected as part of our it policy but if I lose my phone then we'll have to have there'll be multiple people with access to it so be able to get in and real quick as long as I'm up here to answer your question earlier that was the onetime monthly fee for the electric bill at the arena okay um in January it
was 4,300 in November it was 5200 and in October it was 500 so that's the electricity to run that cooling system that chills that floor and keeps it ice cold along with the lights and everything else too it diminishes quite a bit during the summer
then well in the summertime yeah it's almost non-existent okay electric cost are ice is expensive now know why we now it was out last week so there's no that's been shut off so that that it'll drop significantly now so okay thank you
um my next question is our interviews scheduled for the new CDD the community director interviews are not scheduled as of yet we have uh four applicants right now so we're going to meet with a
Personnel committee kind of uh get next steps on that all right and who is involved in who sits in on the interview the Personnel committee which are some council members right and who else well generally it's uh it would be Mike jerki
myself and um and uh you know possibly a department head or something like that you know but um we I mean we can certainly set set that up with Personnel committee individuals if you'd like um that's not a problem yeah I I just feel like somebody from the council should be
present I just be so they can be totally different Outlook different view on it and my last question or comment or desire is whenever there's a resolution
and this has bugged me for six years now the city always says the city recommends approval for something for whatever resolution it is and I would like to recommend that it say The city recommend the council approve or
disapprove resolution because I feel like it's a bias I feel like if the city is recommending approval the city some council members might feel like oh the city thinks it's
a really good idea and not look for the pros and cons of everything so that that's just a suggestion on my part and for people to consider and that's all I
have uh we had our planning meeting uh the three items that we saw tonight was there uh there was another item of variance for second driveway that I believe that we will see at our next meeting and we have a booster Day committee meeting on Wednesday that I'll
be attending that's all I have anybody else I would just finish the budget over at the uh upper Rum River uh we also are one of two cities that have paid their dues for the years which is
nice um we got a park commission meeting coming up tomorrow night and uh that's all I have so far all right so at this point we'll close this part of the meeting and Al be
going in to close session before we before we do that you yeah we need to we need to State on the record that we're closing the meeting it needs to be voted on by the members of the council why motion to
adjourn not adjourning we're not motion to go into here point of order before we shut everything down here yeah uh the City attorney usually uh says general terms of uh we need close session why we're going into it
and we will come back and reval yeah some of these statements need to be made by the mayor as the Director of the meeting okay okay so we're going to be in uh going into agenda item 90 close session employee event Improvement update the council
will now evaluate the performance of the fire chief and emergency manager Rod Sanel Minnesota statute section 13 d05 subdivision 3 a allows for the council to do so in a closed session I asked that a motion to enter
into a closed meeting to evaluate the performance of fire chief SEL make motion for the reasons uh the mayor stated second motion and a second all in favor
I I with that Council will proceed to close chamber close session thanks for coming everybody they e e e e
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e e e e e e e Mr Mayor um it is uh on the advice of our Council that we reconvene and then take a 10-minute recess for a
formulation of a statement you want to do what now well under normal circumstances we would reconvene this meeting and then and then MO to to adjourn however um on the advice of our Council um we should
reconvene this meeting and take a 10-minute recess and then come back to the meeting I I say that with the assumption that this body wants to issue summary findings tonight if this body wants to issue it at the next meeting um that
would be my preference I mean not to mislead you Matt um my speak to the mic oh I my apologies um mayor council Mr look um that is correct that was with the assumption that this body wants to issue
summary um conclusion from the Clos session tonight um but in the event that you're okay waiting to the next meeting that would be my absolute preference uh but I understand the um you know the nature of the decision uh and the discussion in
that meeting and so I leave it leave the question to you but if you wish to proceed with the summary of the closed session tonight uh I do ask for 10 minutes to create that summary tonight do we need a motion for
that or anything uh you do just like any other recess you know we're just going to recess the meeting as you would for uh you know if you're taking a long meeting and needed a rest okay I will make a motion for a 10-minute recess so we can refine our F refine our f ings
from the close session second have a motion second all in favor I I None e e e e
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e e e e e okay I need a motion to reconvene the meeting make motion to reconvene second all in favor all
right okay summary of the Clos session re fire chief chief Rod s under 13 d-05 meeting was closed to evaluate the performance of fire chief Rod sandel the meeting was a followup to a 60-day
Improvement plan the city discussed the fire chief's efforts to regain confidence of the council the fire chief was allotted adequate time to explain his performance and Department
morale the council asked fire chief about his performance since implementing the 60-day Improvement plan Fire Chiefs and all responded to the council's questions council deliberated at a
length and voted to terminate Mr Sanel by your Chief any discussion on that no that that part's done I want to make a motion to hire Jerry strike as our interim advisor and until we have a new fire
chief I spoke with Jerry and uh you will work for the same pay as we were paying our previous fire chief you will also work as much as we need them or as least as we need them and
also all of uh Rod's computer and all the 911 app and the first do everything needs to be shut off immediately and Jerry will assist us in finding the right Chief and also he'll help us recruit one and
uh so we have uh the keys and the stuff from the chief also for the vehicle and the pager so that's my motion second have a motion in a second
discussion okay I just kind kind of need reparation now Mr Striker is the guy who did the study on the fire department and what are his
qualifications Mr Mayor and uh council members uh Jerry strike is a um uh retired Chief himself he worked um I think it was in uh well I think it was Andover was a chief he was a deputy chief in Ramsay he has a long
distinguished career uh he started Capstone LL as a um consultant for fire departments and uh is well respected um in the fire Community um and uh it comes well
recommended okay so um I'd like to see a contract for him at the next meeting um I I can see hiring them until the next meeting until we have
a actual contract in front of us I don't want to engage a long time without seeing a contract understood we'll have that so in the interim I can understand we have the need but um I want to see you contract at the next meeting and
then we can vote to carry on if we wait for the next meeting who's going to be in charge down there well that that's why I said in the interim I see the need and we can hire them we can engage with the services oh I see I miss up until the next meeting when I just want to see
a formal contract that explains the terms and then if we so choose that we can engage with them long term thank you I I missed your first part of your comment so thank you so as long as he comes up with the contract it says that
heuse just an interm until we fill yeah what whatever the contract stay uh to Sure shows terms of employment what were what would what his wage would be Etc then uh we could proceed full term
after that if that's what council chooses um but I can see in the in the meantime before that meeting that we can engage with them um up until the next meeting that we can't have no choice right now
to Y understood I will have the attorney draft that than thank you no more discussion okay um all in favor I I opposed I motion toour
second all in favor all in favor I motion passes let's get