Good evening everyone. Tonight is January 15, 2026 and this is the uh board of health for East Long Meadow. Um the board of health is recording. Is anyone else recording? Okay. Um, and tonight, this meeting is
held via Zoom webinar pursuant to uh former Governor Baker's um order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, which has been extended multiple times. Uh, my name is Christine Johnston, chair of the board. Um, so our first item on the agenda
tonight is to approve the minutes. Um, we actually have two sets of minutes to approve. So, the first set of minutes is from our November 19th uh 2025 meeting. Um, does anyone have any additions or corrections to those minutes or do we have a motion to approve?
>> I motion to approve as written. >> And I second. >> All right. Um, and a roll call vote for that. Christine Johnston, I. Dr. Katie Jins, >> I. Sorry about that, Katie. Rebecca Torsa, >> I. >> All right. So, uh, the motion to approve
the November 19th minute, uh, meeting minutes has passed. Um, then we also have a second set of minutes, um, on January 7th, 2026. Um, the board held an open hearing. Um, and we also have the minutes from
that hearing. Um, does anyone have any changes, additions, corrections? No. Okay. I can motion to approve the minutes from January 7th, 2026 as written. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> All right. And roll call vote. Christine
Johnston. I Dr. Katie Jins. >> I. >> Rebecca Torscha. >> I. >> Awesome. Um, so those minutes have um been approved as well. Um, do we have anyone here who uh for public comment
tonight? Now is an opport one opportunity um for folks to comment. Um, if anybody would like to say anything, please raise your hand. Nope, we're good. All right. Um, so our main item for business at hand tonight
is a public hearing um to review and hear comments relative to proposed board of health regulation uh regulation of the East Long Meadow Board of Health restricting the sale of tobacco products. So, um, what we will need to
do first is hear a motion to open this hearing >> for public or what is the word? I just had a brain fart. Um, I motion to open the meeting. Okay, >> I'll second that. Um, and so we are
opening the public hearing. Um, roll call vote. Christine Johnston, Dr. Katie Jobins. Hi. >> Yep. Rebecca Torsha. >> Hi. >> Awesome. Um and so now the public hearing is called to order. So we are um
very appreciative of your time, Lisa. We're joined here tonight by Lisa Stevens. Good night. Um and I will let you introduce yourself. Um and then we will go through our proposed regulations. >> Okay. Uh my name is Lisa Stevens Goodn
Night. I'm the director of tobacco control for the Massachusetts Municipal Association, which represents the 351 cities and towns across the Commonwealth. I'm muted. It's 2026. Still dealing with the technology. Um I think we'd be
better six years in. Um so what we have is a proposed um regulation restricting the sale of tobacco. Um this has been reviewed in a number of public meetings um up to this point.
um the current um regulation which I know you sent me and I didn't I mean I opened but then it's not sitting is um dated 2023
so it's a few years old but there are some pieces of it where definitions data has changed um and some additional pieces to it so Tammy I don't know if you would like to take over. At this point,
>> I think that um for the most part, I think the most noteworthy of the changes would be the cap on um the nicotine pouches. And of course, I'm sitting here not with the
right one. Um, we also wanted to make sure that we've adjusted the number for um the number of tobacco permits in town just to kind of make uh just to uh adjust it
for closure and retirement of previous uh tobacco licenses to include that in there. and then um pretty much just adopting the model regulations uh with the um the language and the definitions
within um I think that's kind of it it's not it's not a big heavy overhaul I guess what I'm trying to say. Lisa, is there anything that you want to add at this point?
Um, no. I would just I um can speak a little bit on the oral since that's the biggest change you guys are making and speak a little on the oral nicotine pouches. Um, I don't know. They're kind of a new product, so not everybody knows about them or much about them, though they're you're seeing more and more of them. So, uh, this is becoming less true
as the days go on that nobody has heard of them. But they are, for those that don't know, they're um small um nicotine salts that you put in they're in a little pouch. You put it between your gum and your lip. Um, and it gives like a kind of a quick quick
hint of nicotine. Um, so I would I would encourage the board to adopt the oral nicotine pouch provisions in the draft regulations um that limit the strength of nicotine pouches that can be sold in East Long Meadow. Um, as I said, they are the fastest growing um, nicotine
product on the market. So according to the CDC, from 2016 to 2023, sales increased from 6 million to 334 million units. um they are uh not just and that the that use is not just limited to
adult use. From 2019 to uh 2023 in Massachusetts uh use among high school students tripled from 1% to 3.2%. Um so it's still a small percentage but it's growing very very quickly. Um they're
very they're you know they can be discreetly used in school because they don't have any smoke or vapor. So they're very easy for students to just kind of like tuck in their lip and and you wouldn't know. And the containers look similar to gum or mint containers. So that's another way that they're just
very hard for um you know for people to to notice that that youth are using them. Uh currently 480,000 middle and high school students are using them nationwide and they're the second most popular nicotine product used by youth in 2024 after um
ecigarettes which still remain the the top product of my youth. Uh then there's also some sense that the nicotine pouches are safer or healthier um way to quit smoking or vaping. They are not an approved sessation device. So they can't they they can't advertise that they are
used to quit but that there's like this sense that they can and there's some um influencers that online influencers that have talked about how they uh can be used to reduce your nicotine intake. Um but the truth is that just because they're smoke free doesn't mean that they are nicotine free. They still
contain nicotine um which is still very addictive and has negative impacts on people's health. Um, again, they aren't an approved smoking device and or uh quitting device and the FDA actually specifically prohibits the companies from making claims that the products can
help people quit nicotine. So, they are not allowed to or supposed to be saying that that you know kind of in their commercial producting or uh commercial uh messaging. And then um although we have li right now we have because they're so new to the market, we have
really limited data on the health impacts, but there's some early signs that they can have some serious health consequences. For example, um dentists report an increase in mouth lesions, um gum problems, which can be linked to some pretty serious uh cancers. So
that's not to say that we know that they will cause those or like will cause those cancers, but we have some early signs that there's reasons to be concerned. Um, and I personally would like to not get the data that says that they killed a ton of people down the line because we didn't do something about it uh when we could have. So, um,
we've also seen really high nicotine content. So, as high as 28 milligrams per pouch, uh, per on the market, which is close to like a pack of cigarettes per tiny little pouch, not per container, per tiny little pouch. Um, so those are kind of the reasons why uh I think it would be a really positive step
to limit the strength that these can be sold in. And I would also recommend just keeping an eye on the product in general going forward. Um because again we don't the last thing I want is to have to you know 10 years down the line be reading a bunch of data about how people died from
these products. >> And Lisa I think it's really important like you just said around the amount of nicotine per actual pouch. >> So maybe you can just explain so people understand if they watch this or hear in
one pouch. So say it's a six milligram pouch. Um how much is that? Like what equivalent is that to a cigarette? >> Like the systemic amount of nicotine you're getting? >> So a cigarette I'm trying like the numbers of it's a cigarette has like 12 milligrams of nicotine but of that you
get around six to nine maximum um actually get into the the user's uh body and then some of it obviously there's the external like secondhand smoke and that other people can um inhale. So, my understanding and again this we don't have a ton a ton of science on this yet
and as we get more like I'm updating everything as quickly as I can. Um, but it looks like almost all of them and people keep it in their mouth till they're not getting a kind of a buzz anymore. Uh, and then they throw them out. So, I I guess you could put it in for like a a minute and not absorb all the
nicotine, but that isn't generally how they're used. People are generally absorbing all the nicotine in the product. Um, and they come in packs of 15. So if it's six milligrams, the other thing that we see is a lot of people use like two at a time. So like they will
use two of the six milligrams and then they'll be getting 12 milligrams of nicotine in their system and >> I'm sorry that so what I meant and I was giving you a leading question but I'll answer it. So in one cigarette it's 12 milligrams like you said but systemically you get around like 1.2 to
1.8 8 millig. And so if you're getting six milligrams, like you said, they're getting the full six milligrams, that's actually the equivalent of having essentially six cigarettes in your body. >> So one pouch is actually a much higher hit of the nicotine, which is why
>> limiting that's why we I think we all were very adamant about limiting it on that that six milligram because anything above that is dramatically higher. Whereas if you if you read like the label of one of these containers, it says a certain amount of time you should leave it in for, but like you said,
people are leaving it in much longer. So theoretically, a 3 milligram should be about the equivalent of one cigarette. So that's kind of what people >> the way it's advertised. So I think it's really important for people to understand anything higher than that is
a much higher level of nicotine that's actually going into your body. >> Yes. And and the other thing is that if you look at the nicotine amounts for um because there have been comparisons made to censation. Again I want to emphasize these are not cessation devices but there has been some comparison um not
directly by the industry but by people who are are kind of like selling the products online um as influencers that these are that these could be used as reduced risk or sessation devices. um nicotine gum uh which also has nicotine
comes in two milligrams and four milligrams and is designed so that it delivers that over an extended period of time. Um, so that's kind of why we like one of the reasons that we looked to the six because then comes in three and six. And so it would be kind of the clo I mean they're not sessation devices. So
like they don't have to adhere to that. But that is like as kind of the closest equivalent we could say that was like we know nicotine gum is safe in in the sense that it's not like deadly to chew a a piece of nicarette gum. Um, but yeah, these like 27 mil or 28 milligram
pouches, that's like smoking like three of cigarettes in terms of the amount of nicotine getting into someone's body. Um, and that's just in like a sitting. >> Do we know how many towns have already passed um these regulations, similar ones?
>> So, I was looking at the list I have and I it is out of date because I I was looking at it right before and I was going to send it to you guys, but I can send it later. Um it's just a bunch of towns past that this rate at the end of the year. Um and so there's at least like four towns I have that are missing
from the list. And so I have to go through my records and make sure I didn't miss any others. Um as of like November last year, we had four that had passed it. um had passed this and then an additional six that had restricted them to adult only and one that had uh
banned them completely for a total of 10 that had wait no sorry 11 that had um done something to restrict the uh sale of of oral nicotine pouches >> and from my understanding these are so
new that in our 23 regulations we don't even address nicotine pouches is um and I'm sure that many towns haven't even looked at their tobacco regulations longer than it's been for us as well. So are having some discussions. >> Yeah. And we had to do a lot of
education because again like in 2023 like we knew the products were on the market but they just weren't that big. In 2020 I believe Philip Morris bought Zin for $16 billion from Swedish Match. Um and they increased production and
they increased advertising. So, we've seen this huge huge growth um really backed by this major tobacco company um pushing these products as one of their top growth products. >> Well, and I think it's really important that we talk about the fact that it's actually nicotine, right? So, that's a highly addictive substance. We know the
complications from the medical profession of what it does for increasing your heart rate, risk of hypertension, risk of increased heart disease, and incre, you know, increasing your risk of stroke. And that's just from the nicotine component. So I think that's really important to talk about like you said limiting it. So where we
take it down to the six is where we obviously talked about what we put into our new regulations. Um and that also understanding that it's not well studied but we do have a lot of data around nicotine which is really important and especially the addictive potential
especially in young individuals is very high. So, so now Tammy, is there anything else we need to review in addition to the pouches on the regulation or was it I think that that was one of the big changes we made, right? >> Yeah. Can I just point out that we're not at this point just for anybody who's
watching or watches later, we're not restricting the sale of or the proposed regulations do not propose to restrict the sale of these products. They just propose to restrict the sale of the products above six milligrams per pouch.
So for folks who are um this is their preferred method, they're of age, right? Um we're still able to access that product. Um things like that, right? So businesses, they are still able to sell those products. Um things like that. It's really just looking at restricting
the amount of nicotine in each particular patch that can be sold. Sorry, I didn't want to cut you off there, Tammy, but I just want to be really clear about what the proposed regulation um outlines that it's not a it's not a complete ban. I know Lisa,
you said that there's one community who's done that and that's not what we're looking for here. >> Yes, there's one that has that did that. Um I said we one of the reasons that we like that uh the model regulations have the it the way it is is because we do
want to leave open room that be these could potentially be you know the data could come back and these could be cessation and but that would be I think if they did did have if if there was a possibility for them to be used for cessation they would pro it would definitely be in those lower nicotine amounts. It would not be in the higher
nicotine amounts. So um you know we want to again we're just re you we have to react as we get the data and try to be proactive um but you know realistic. So that question that KD asked any other major the only other one that I picked
out um the 2023 regulations had our number of permits listed at 14 and since 23 one business no longer has a uh permit and therefore it would just drop that number down to 13 because of the decreasing cap.
Tammy, anything else? >> Is it 13 or is it 12? I feel like there there was um we had lost one by the time we put the uh my god we lost one by the time that
we voted it in. So the number wasn't correct. >> It's 13 in the regulation >> then that's right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, but everything else is pretty much straightforward from what the model regulation is, which
follows along very well with our last one. Um, there was a few there was a few um issues with the way uh the layout of the last one too. There was some duplication. So, this corrects those duplication. Not
Katie, Rebecca, any other additional questions or comments on this? >> Done for me. >> Very clear. >> Okay. Um now at this point um is there anybody here for public comment who would like to speak on the proposed um
regulations? >> Um there's no indication Okay. Um, if there's no one here to speak on um or wishes to make public comment, um, are you ladies ready to move to a vote?
Okay. Um, so we I can make this motion um, if you want. Um, I would motion to and Tammy, we are recommending because the regulations are actually or does this then go to the town council? No, this is a board of health regulation.
>> Okay. So then therefore the motion would be to adopt um the proposed um town of East Long Meadow regulation restricting the sale of tobacco products um as written and presented this
evening. Do I need more than that? >> Do you need a date of when it's going to start? Lisa, do you have a suggestion on a time frame for the businesses getting these products off the shelves?
>> Thanks, Alex. >> Um, I I guess I don't I don't know your town well enough to know kind of what kind of volume goes through. Tammy, I probably have a better idea. But yeah, usually giving a sellown date so that they can get rid of the product that they've already purchased is is good. I I've
seen anything from like two like a month to a year. I I doubt they would take a year for them to sell down their product, but that's usually if it's like a bigger like they have to remove all ecigarettes or something that would which I which is not recommended here. I'm just as an example. Um then you
would obviously give a much longer period of time. But yeah, Tammy probably has a better idea. >> March March 1st would be because that's like a month and a half. >> Alex, is that's you know the product. >> Oh, March 1. Yeah, that should be good. I think that's enough time to get make
sure that everyone gets the regulations and understands there. Not all of our tobacco stores even sell pouches. So, >> so Alex, and I mean, you're the one who's out on the road, right? Um that
would give them now two weeks till the end of March and then a a full another month um I mean till the end of January and then the full month of February to have that sell down period. >> Yeah. And I also think that's enough time to pass along information to the
tobacco control coalition so that they're aware of the changes. >> Yep. >> Okay. All right. So um I am going to make a new motion. The motion would be to adopt the
um town of Islong Meadow regulations restricting the sale of tobacco products um as presented this evening with an effective date of March 1st, 2026. >> Second.
>> All right. And so we will do a roll call vote. Um Christine Johnston I. Dr. Katie Jobins. >> Hi. >> Rebecca Torscha. >> Hi. >> Right. So, that motion has passed. Um, and at this point, do we have a motion to close the hearing?
>> A motion to close the hearing. >> I can second. Um, and roll call vote. Christine Johnston, I. Dr. Katie Jins, >> I. >> Rebecca Torscha, >> I. >> All right. Um, so the public hearing is closed. Lisa, thank you so much for your
time tonight. We really appreciate it. um feel free to stick around or uh go enjoy your evening. Uh the rest of our our meeting agenda is um health department updates and and business. So
um Tammy, I'm going to pass that over to you, hear what's going on in the health department and Alex if as needed. And I kept it slim because I wasn't sure how long we were going to go tonight. Um, I feel like it's been a real a real
busy couple of weeks. It's I think maybe maybe it's all relative like we take a little time off for the holidays and then we come back and it feels a lot busier, but I think it's been pretty busy. Um, we are now in um budget prep for next fiscal year. Um,
our level one budgets are due tomorrow. Um, so that's been keeping everybody busy. Um, I'm happy to say that it we've been able to keep our operating budgets pretty level and our trash budget. Um, actually
this I was really excited that we were only going up 1% on our trash budget um this year. And let's see some other things. Um, Liz is always great and gives me the rundown of what's been going on for the year. And so she just
kind of gave me some trash numbers today um for the year. Uh we have recycled 548 tons of containers this year and 729 tons of paper. Um we recycled 43,739
pounds of textiles through Heart Springs and CMRK. Um let's see. I know in there we've collected over 18,791 pounds of books with Bay State Books. We do um we do it in conjunction with the
library and we also have a book kiosk um outside of the senior center. So if people want to get rid of books um they don't have to be uh they don't have to be like super great condition. Kind of similar to the textiles, bring the books there. They'll either get um >> Wait, tell me more about this. I have many books.
>> Oh, there's >> I didn't even know about this. Yeah, you can uh you can go behind the senior center uh and there is a book kiosk and >> pop them in. >> You pop them in. I know there's a program with the library um with um but
you'd have to contact with them. But any books like that they out they put out of commission as well. We recycle in another container somewhere else. A super secret location. No, it's not super secret. You can see it. It's right side, but it's not for the public to use. Um yes. So, we have that container
there and then we have the obviously the textile one behind the senior center or behind the fire station and then the once a month we have Heart Springs come and do the big event. Um, and this year we diverted 58,287 pounds of food waste.
And that is kind of something that I think over the next year we're going to look a little um a little harder into looking to see if we can pilot some residential um food waste collection or composting programs.
And this week we also set the date for Earth Day which is going to be May 2nd with um I think we're going to do the we're going to try to reprise the Earth fair the day before. So more information to come on that.
Um let's see. Oh, I had another little note in here. Um, nurse Chris wanted us to let us know that um, she's seeing a bunch of flu
still um, uh, in Maven in our database in town. Uh, a little bit of COVID, but and not too much else is pinging on that. We um, >> flu is everywhere. >> Flu is everywhere. Everybody's getting it. Not too late. >> I was in the hospital and more than half
of my list when I was rounding was flu. >> Half more than half. How many people would you say that is? >> Well, again, I was on the floor where that could happen. So, on my team normally ranges between 16 or 18 people.
So, and then one Nope. Multiple people had flu and CO together. I've never seen that before. Blue and CO >> at the same time. They didn't feel good. >> Oh, I can't imagine. But I think the
thing that's really important is that the and this was on the news Bay State elevated their respiratory risk to everyone now we're masking again in um patient care areas. So I think the risk right now for the flu is very high and we across the entire country because of
I'm just going to say it misinformation people are not getting vaccines and so we across the entire country we saw a dip in everyone getting vaccinations this year. So, it's very important just to recognize that elderly, those who are imunocmpromised um are higher risk patients are
unfortunately going to be exposed to more things. >> Anything else you're seeing? >> It is not too late to get a flu vaccine. >> No, please get it. Get it all. And even if you've had the flu, the recommendation is to still get a flu vaccine because there are multiple
strains and it could we could get another wave later in the year. >> Well, we still saw and I don't know if you were seeing this Rebecca or Christine in your spaces either, but we had a couple um unfortunate um neuro viruses still lingering with like the GI bug. Um there's been a lot of strep
throat as well too which I'm like um and then obviously non-COVID non flu um upper respiratory like human metanuma virus um and then parinfluenza as well too.
>> A lot of fun stuff going around. >> So lots of good hand hygiene. If you are sick and have a fever, stay home. Don't take Tylenol. Don't give your kid Tylenol so they can go to school. If you can keep them home, keep them home. >> Or Advil or any other fever reducing
medications. We're not calling out any by name, right? >> Any medication that lowers it. >> I know we all wanted them to go back to school after the holidays, but um let's see. Chris also wanted to uh
let everybody know that she just started teaching a new Pilates class over the senior center. I think it's on it just started on Tuesday. Um and also we have a new uh we have a new senior center director, Emily Constantino. And I don't
know the name yet of our new outreach coordinator that starts in February, but I know that the health department um once that they are in place, we will put that person to work. Um Alex does not uh it doesn't seem to
slow down the case the um the number of calls we get for housing situations and for people in uh in distress in housing situations. And it's always been great to have the previous outreach coordinator. So, it
it's kind of bridges that gap between kind of um seniors and our department, the health department. It's a good it's a good it ends up being a good relationship and I think I think more towns should have that. I've never worked in a town that did that so well.
So, I'm very kudos to the way that it's set up here. Um just trying to think. Uh It's the beginning of the year. We are looking to do another um food safety
manager uh course for our um food service establishments. Um that information will go out once we get a date and a place. I confirm that the person who did it last year wants to do it again. We just need to get a a
good venue. And let's see, Alex or Renee, anything you want to throw in? Plug. Oh, um, trying to think of
let's see. We the beginning of the year, we're kind of starting over with new permits and everything like that. So, it's nothing nothing super exciting, but just >> I got my um census in the mail today for my dogs um
>> licenses. So, I have to renew those, too. >> Got mine today, too. >> So, make sure you So, I have to do that now. >> You're sleeping. You guys want to see my puppy? Here she is.
>> She's sleepy. And we have also been working alongside the clerk's department to make sure that um that this year in June um Ali's law went into effect and it's a
um an act to um regulate um regulate the safety of dogs uh basically when they're not with their owners. So that would be things like boarding and daycare. And so we've been learning a lot in the process along the
way of what is considered a kennel and what is not considered a kennel and trying to make sure that uh the health department doesn't um we don't license the kennels. Um but through the animal control office which is part of the health department. We inspect the
kennels and then we have to report on them um once a year to uh to the state to make sure that they've been inspected that they've been applying. Um so that's uh an kind of an everchanging I feel like we keep learning a little bit more
about the program as it goes along. The law is in place but a set of regulations haven't been established yet. So we're kind of waiting for that. I've talked to a lot of people at MDAR and hopefully Massachusetts Department of Agriculture, agricultural resources who re regulate
animal control. Um, and hopefully in the next 6 months or so, we'll be seeing regulations to kind of help support what we're starting to work on. Um, and that's been I feel like this is we call this animal control year. It it
was very quiet until until we hired a new animal control officer, which is very great because we have an extra animal control officer. It was almost like the universe uh knew they she sent they sent her to us.
Um and she'll be doing the academy hopefully in a month or two. Um which will be great. So then she'll be mass Massachusetts certified. Um, and we'll have a full compliment. And I think that's kind of all for the
fun and exciting things at the health department this January. I say fun. Other people don't think it is. But when people stop by, you'll know. You'll hear laughter when you open the door. >> Anyone have anything else
to discuss? New business this evening. All right. Hearing none. Should we look at a meeting date? >> I think I think we should definitely meet in February. >> Yes.
I was say we have to meet before the end of February, right? Because of the extension of the meeting we had >> last week. >> Yeah. >> If that if that is determined to be the case, then yes.
>> And that was >> it expires February 28th, right? >> 66. >> 26. February 26th. I couldn't remember. Yeah, >> the 26th. >> Okay. >> Is that a good date for everybody?
>> I'm pulling my calendar up. My apologies for not doing this beforehand. >> Uh, no. That is not a good day to have a major work event that night. >> Do you want to do the 25th or the 23rd?
I can look and see. I can ask them if >> there's a week before February vacation. So, I feel like that would be a horrible week. >> Wow. >> Um, >> 23rd or the 20? Oh, you know,
I'd say the 23rd would be probably wouldn't be good because we want to make sure that we give enough if if if our offices aren't staff staffed on Friday or Thursday depending on whether or not uh whether or not people are on vacation. Um we will be able to time.
>> So then the 25 >> does that >> how many hour how many when do we have to post it? Is it two weeks? Monday. >> No, no, it's 48 hours. >> It's just It's just 48 hours. >> Okay. >> Well, okay. Let me find out.
>> Um I know that uh I believe which one planning commission might do Wednesdays, but I will we can I will ask and we can tentatively pencil in the 25th. >> Okay. Katie, what does your night of the
25th look like? Because it depending on how long that agenda is, if we needed to work around that planning commission meeting, either be a little earlier or a little later. I just want to be respectful of folks evening. >> I am free until from 5 until 8:00 p.m.
>> Rebecca. >> Okay, that works. >> Yeah, I'm free as well. Also, Tammy, if we need to work around a planning commission meeting, okay, >> if the date works for everybody, including the health department staff, um th those were two very busy weeks for
me that week prior with vacation and then that week. So, if that week works for everybody and we have to go a little later or something, I'd rather >> do that than um earlier, a little bit later, then then try to find a different date. >> Yeah. And I'm out of town the week before, so I'm not able to do the week
before. >> Me, too. All right. Well, I will um so 5 to 8 is the window for that day. Um I will get back to you guys and make sure that we can see if we can secure something. >> That would be great. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> All right. Um if there is no further business, I will make a motion to adjourn this meeting. I second that. >> I vote yes. >> All right. Uh Christine Johnston, I
Katie Jins >> I. >> Rebecca Tora. >> Hi. >> All right. And Rene's cat also. I >> Yes. So, uh, meeting adjourned. Everybody have a great week, a great evening. Stay healthy.
Thank you. >> Thank you everybody. Bye bye now. Take care.