##VIDEO ID:4ShuHx0fAXA## uh I'm assuming this is on you can hear me okay um at this time we're going to call this meeting to order welcome to the December 12 2024 meeting of the East Long Meadow Center Town District steering committee um we're going to take roll call real quick um U I am Carolyn feros uh the committee chair um Jason Vice chair gumbert um Don Stark um clerk Nicole polite and Steve Graham we also have Ralph paage um ex officio Town council member who is not here this evening and Rob um Terell who is the ex officio uh member from the planning board he is also not here this evening um so I just have a a couple quick comments um the charge of this committee is to educate and inform the public about the center Town District planning process solicit Community feedback and present a recommendation for a district map and bylaw to the planning board and Town Council um this is our agenda for this evening um we're going to move uh move through it as um quickly as possible so that we can um get to the task at hand um I want to take a moment to review the project process over the past year the committee has worked with the community to build awareness and to answer questions about the impacts this process could have on future community and E economic uh development over the summer the committee hosted Community engagement events with speakers from different areas of expertise most recently we hosted a map drawing exercise where members of the community came together to share with us their preferences and Thoughts The Next Step in this process is uh the purpose of tonight's meeting the committee will deliberate and review the maps drawn by the public and by the recommendations presented by pvpc following tonight's meeting the stearing committee will work to draft bylaws um host a public hearing and then take a vote the draft bylaws will then go to the planning board for public hearing Del deliberation and a vote then the draft bylaws will go to Town Council for public hearing and deliberation with the town Council taking a final vote um so why is the town pursuing a center Town District um we have uh fin finances stabilizing the tax rate um the more residential and Commercial properties we have um the uh the it can help grow the tax base um we have housing options for every stage of life not only for the young but also for um our aging population um and be proactive uh in growth management um the population is going to grow that is inevitable a Centertown District plans for and directs future growth to a limited concentrated concentrated area and Zoning determines land use for the future the town is not going to be developing these properties and does not have a project in mind this process simply creates the rules by which development is cited um Andre laru was one of our speakers over the summer um some of you were able to be in attendance um he spoke with residents about the 40R smart growth uh and was quite impressive we're going to play a a a clip for you hi I'm Rebecca Ley Deputy Town manager for East Long Meadow and this evening we had Andre Laro from math game talking to us about 4r zoning was to learn a bit more about who we are and get the back stre so that our Comm is more informed next time we come together and start building out the bylaw for the center Town District I was asked to talk a little bit about of the chapter 4dr which is a state law in Massachusetts that's called the the smart growth overlay District it's not about growth or no growth communities will grow but it's about are you going to manage it plan ahead or are you going to let it happen halfhazard the idea behind doing a 40R district is that it creates predictable fitting for developers and it's for the community Community is basically saying here are the rules that we want to get a certain kind of design you will go through a process you will design a district if you choose to adopt this and it can have the features that you want it to have once you put those rules in place then it's a very streamlined process for the developer so it doesn't come from the developer it really comes from the community and the community decides where it wants to grow because one of the big critiques of 40b has always been well that's fine we're not opposed to housing but we don't want it there you know 40R allows you to say we want it here your local zoning laws are basically the rules of what people can do with their property and so if they can't do much with their property they can only put a single family home for every acre on it it has a certain value if you change the zoning rules and you allow more development in those properties there's more value you're creating why you get more property taxes because it's a more valuable property you can build more homes and if there are vacant properties that haven't moved in a long time if you what's called up Zone them so you can do more with those properties they're going to become more valuable and they may get more interest from developers or investors you want services and you don't want your property taxes going up it behooves you to figure out where in your community you want to have some density you're getting more property taxes is in like the center of town and you have more resources to conserve key Parcels of green space and other parts of the there are certain pieces of the state law that are required like there kind of an affordability component so that you have a mix of incomes if you're trying to create homes that you know your kids or your teachers your firefighters can live in then you might want to try doing some different kinds of things and maybe a 40 yard is not bad because you have to have a 20% there's also an incentive payment to it when you adopt this depending on the amount of growth or additional units that could be built in this new zoning the state pays the town a certain amount of money these are the the different densities that you can choose for different kinds of districts obviously doesn't have to look the same in every Community there's no details to the proposal because this is a process that the community does to design it and this is the beginning of that process it it is to to intensify the uses so that you can do more things but that's part of what you as a town need to decide on like where that growth is going to happen Okay this on there it goes okay um our first order of business is item 3A presentation by pvpc is there a motion to take up 3A so MO second second all those in favor I I I okay um so uh representatives from pppc if you wouldn't mind introducing ourselves good evening everyone thank you for having us back my name is Kyle Fel I'm a senior use environment planner wither Val Planning Commission hey my name is Aiden and MCB and I'm the senior planner with pbpc as well so today we have returned with a presentation to in part summarize the wonderful work that community members um participated in back in October at the October 21st uh Community event where we had a mapping activity and then we're also going to present some alternative options for Center town delineations for the steering committee to consider and deliberate on following the presentation so at the October 21 event more than 55 residents participated in the group activity uh working as tables to build consensus on what a preferred Center Town District would look like on a map and then provided large trace of those delineations uh we asked for some guiding landmarks so that we could make sure to understand what those lines and squiggles meant uh and we also asked for um some elaboration on where the tables found agreement and where the tables had disagreement uh of the 15 tables that we had set up 14 provided a delineation or an actual District drawing I'm going to go quickly through these 15 uh and then talk about how we got to our Alternatives so table one um drew a rather large District primarily north south along North Main Street and Shaker Road including Industrial Drive Parcels uh it went all the way up to Heritage Park um group participants most agreed on rezoning the industrial zones along Chestnut Street uh and the main difference in the discussion was really how far the center should go or the district should go from the center of town table two uh included landmarks um primarily the rail trail incorporating the existing rail trail and potential expansion to the north um really focusing on existing uh businesses the group group participants most agreed on including chess Street area for future development uh the old package Machinery area um and extending the rail trail was an important feature with no differences or conflicts Table Three pres provided a more confined District um of maintaining existing Parks including the commercial and Retail um where it meets a residential boundary they wanted to ensure that there was some type of buffering like shr Shrubbery uh where the centr town District met residential outside uh the participants most agreed upon keeping the industrial and the residential zones separate um they discussed and differed on fixing the intersection which I believe is always an interesting topic of discussion table four provided another rather large uh drawing uh they included mixing um uses um or including the mix use Zone to the south on 3330 Chesnut Street uh there was a note that said um they would like to see something similar to eastw works if you're familiar with the mill Redevelopment in East Hampton uh they did not provide any information on disagreements or agreements table five really wanted to focus on the main business Parcels along um Shaker Road uh and some of the industrial zones to the east along Maple Street um the participants most agreed on not extending the central Town District Beyond Brook Street North Main Street table six provided the most confined delineation um mostly around Centerfield to believe the Carin building this was a hard handwriting to read um they wanted to include surrounding the town shops uh and going up to Elm uh along Elm Street Brook Street um the group agreed uh to avoid redistricting homes or residential um and focusing on those industrial Parcels there were some differences on um some wanting no change in town or in the center of town and some wanting more lockable Center District with small business spaces table seven provided another large uh delineation focusing on the rail trail uh and North Main Street uh and then also Chestnut Street uh the groups most agreed upon including businesses and Industrial zones table eight another more southernly focused um rezoning uh focused on um rezoning uh what presently existed uh they didn't provide any examples of agreement or disagreement table nine offered uh another focus on um non-industrial and mixed use um agreeing that along the rail trail and around the town rotary was the priority area of focus um and they said they agreed on everything so it's always a positive consensus table 10 was um in agreement that they suggests the town stay as is they provided no delineation no drawing of a center Town District um say believing that it's not wanted nor feasible um voicing their opinion that this would should be um a ballot decision um T 11 offered another smaller center Town District delineation focusing on Spruce Street between Shaker and Prospect including White Avenue Rook Street to the north between Elm and North Main Baldwin Street to the West no agreement or disagreement provided table 12 again more centrally focused including Spruce Street Brook Street um looking at back lot lines for the parcels that have Frontage along those roads uh and including the industrial Andor commercial properties that exist there was agreement on avoiding residential areas keeping the district Compact and using streets as boundaries uh there were differences uh but compromise was found on northern and southern boundaries and some wanted to go all the way up to Maple Shade in the north and Chestnut to the South which they decided not to oh table 13 is the most expansive example um they didn't provide uh notes on their landmarks but it extends from um the industrial Garden Parcels Beyond Industrial Drive to the South all the way up Shaker Road into the center intersection and then to the east it includes Municipal Parcels the Department of Public Works properties um they didn't answer the agreement or disagreement questions but they provided a short list of their priorities such as keeping green spaces open limiting it to one or two units per acre avoiding historic areas including short dist Transportation such as a Town Trolley which is always a novel idea stressing more affordable senior housing and questions whether or not increasing population would be a greater strain on traffic and public services such as police and schools table 14 uh I believe the only example of two distinct districts um they included um a primary central district that extends down Shaker Street um and up North Main Street stopping before green AC Lane uh in including some of the parcels um north of Baldwin Street which I believe is self storage uh and then a subdistrict which includes the parcel at 3:30 Chesnut Street and then the last table table 15 um drew a center Town District primarily north south with Chestnut Street as its Southern boundaries shaker Road North Main Street it extends up to forgive me is it spite space Spa Arden um and it includes the rail trail as the boundary on the west side of the district so the 14 resident generated Maps um were reviewed by planners at the pineer valley Planning Commission and um SC and put into a digital format and that's where we started to play with how those um could match or not so first of all we established two primary criteria for how we are going to uh synthesize the various combinations and permutations so we focused on uh identifying where the table maps from the residence overl over um overlap so those boundaries that we faed and then we really tried to group them in terms of scale so you saw several tables try to keep their Central Town District very confined some were very expansive and Broad some were more north south as a corridor along North Main Street in Shaker some were more East West extended down Maple or even to Summer Avenue I believe um and so working through these uh we found four syntheses uh but we also discovered that there is one outlier that we just thought was too broad it didn't it aligned in some ways but it just was kind of above and beyond so we excluded that one um so the first synthesis came from tables 3 6 11 12 uh this is the these were the group that proposed the smallest District uh we know notice that there's shared uh features including the industrial Parcels west of the South uh west of the rail trail and south of mapel Street uh Spruce Street to the north I'm sorry to the South was also a shared boundary uh Prospect Street to the southeast and then Brook Street in Elm Street that kind of corner was a shared delineation sentences two we grouped tables 1 four S and eight uh this represents kind of the largest range of proposed districts um shared features include business and Commercial zones along Shaker Road all of these delineations included 330 Chestnut Street and the industrial zones around it uh commercial and Industrial Zones North of Westwood Avenue were also included from these tables and the commercial zones uh surrounding Center Square were also included our third synthesis uh came from tables 59 and 15 um this is kind of our middle category in terms of scale uh shared features include business and Commercial zones along sh Road primarily um incl it um the commercial industrial Zones North of Westwood Avenue um and Commercial zones around Center Square so that's that's not accurate so it's um uh the business and Commercial zones along Shaker the industrial zones along Baldwin and then the commercial zones along North Main Street um and I believe that's Westwood and Maple Shade I think around that intersection that's where it stops that's where it stops yeah sorry the my text the fourth synthesis uh we um brought table two and table 14 together these two maps each proposed medium scale with a secondary sub District um we included table two uh with table 14 even though table 2 showed the rail trail to the South that's not a developable part developable parcel it's an amenity that exists so we included those together because they both kind of keep 330 Chestnut Street as its own subdistrict to a medium scale Centertown District including primarily the industrial Zones North of baldon Street and the commercial zones around the center intersection so we turned all these drawings into um a delineation for alternatives for the steering committee to consider um before we show you those the one outlier again table 13 which was very expansive um the unique features were the industrial Garden parcel south of 330 Chestnut and then uh the zon south of pleasant Street along Summers Road including the municipal properties so starting at where the delineations from the tables overlapped um we then looked at kind of the middle range of where those lines branched and diverged trying to close the gap and kind of cut the difference um we also referred back to the notes that the table provided so we could get a sense of what the tables were thinking try to understand what rests were really looking for from those synthesis and this is what we've come up with alternative one call it a compact core this is the smallest Centertown District alternative boundaries include Spruce Street to the South White Avenue to the east industrial zones west of the rail Triad uh North both north and south of Maple Street uh this District comprises of 152 tax Parcels it is approximately 96 acres in size which is only 1% now's total area that breaks down to 35% Zone business 4% Zone commercial 25% Industrial 16% which is multizoned only 5% is residential a and 15% is residential C and just for everyone residential a is kind of your base density which I believe breaks down to about7 Ms per acre uh and residential C is your more dense residance is I think it's about one and a half units per AC y just because there's a lot of yellow on the map and the district is yellow do you think you could point out the district for the audience sure um and just remember that okay if you're using your hand above the um projector it goes black so you might want to use the mouse if you can right so in the north um we have see up here I can't remember that one I think that one is um can't sorry I don't remember all uh to the east we have White Avenue which is here I believe I think this is Elm and Brook may be mistaken it crosses over the old rail RightWay and comes down I believe that's Baldwin Street yeah and then heads down Maple just a little bit and then Cuts South to include those industrial parcels and then Cuts back East uh following Spruce Street to the South that's the southern boundary and then that comes right back up that Prospect Street yes okay thank you so that's alternative one alternative to which is um mix juice corridor this is the most expansive alternative um boundaries [Music] include um okay so the boundaries include uh 330 Chestnut Street to the South coming up Shaker um following Chestnut East then it kind of zigs and zags through a mix of commercial and vacant Parcels it follows the Backlot of properties that have Frontage on Prospect but not Prospect between Prospect and Shaker it comes up along the back lot line it includes a little bit of the business businesses on the east side of the central intersection comes up Elm Street just a little bit crosses over Brook follows North Main Street includes some properties on both sides of North Main Street past Maple Shade and west but it comes all the way up and then crosses back over to the West coming beyond the old Rail Road RightWay and includ includes all of the currently industrially zoned Parcels along that rideway the boundary comes all the way down south around the Self Storage Parcels um along Baldwin Street back to Maple and then comes down to the rail trail and the large industrial Garden Parcels north and south of Chestnut Street alternative three our middle scale delineation more of a central district so boundaries for this parcel uh to the South it touches the corner of Chestnut and Shaker it includes the rail trail as its western boundary coming north when it gets to Maple Street it the boundary goes to the west and includes Parcels on both sides of of Baldwin Street as the boundary goes north then it follows the industrial Parcels that abut the old railroad RightWay all the way up to Westwood Avenue which is its northern boundary and then it follows North Main Street back south as its eastern boundary and includes some of the commercial zones just east of Center Square so just the parcels that are just around the center intersection of town this is uh this District includes 2011 tax Parcels this is approximately 138 Acres which is 2% of the town area current Zone owning about 38% business 2% commercial 29% industrial 133% multizoned it's only. 1% residential a I believe there's one parcel that's your base density and about 19% residential speed and alternative four which is really a district with two subd districts boundaries include for the main Central District you have Shaker Road with industrial zones west of the rail trail that goes up the East sorry up the um to the West it goes up Baldwin Street includes those industrial zones that are now self storage and then cuts across along parcel lines property lines to the East and then follows North Main Street to the central intersection down I believe that's summers's Avenue and then Cuts back to go behind the parcels that or down Shaker Street and then the secondary subd district is 330 Chestnut down to the South so this is 95 current tax Parcels approximately 126 Acres about 2% of the town area currently it's zoned 12% business 2% commercial 27% industrial 32% industrial garden and that's strictly the 330 Chestnut Street uh 177% multizone 1% residential a and about 10% residential C so we have four alternatives for the steering committee to consider again alternative one is about 96 Acres alternative two is 310 Acres about 4% of town I don't believe I shared all those details so I'll read all those that is 268 tax Parcels for alternative two our mixed use corridor uh that one is 19% business zoned 9% commercial 16% industrial 32% industrial Gardens 7% multizone 8% residential a and 9% residential C our alternative our third alternative the Central District again that's about 138 Acres 200 tax parcels and alternative four are subdistricts 95 tax parcels and approximately 126 acres in size so at this point I'm believe we're welcoming public no these are the four Alternatives and that's concludes our presentation uh thank you very much really appreciate that um in new business the committee will review and deliberate the community generated District boundary Maps after deliberation the committee will vote to create the center Town District boundaries at this time I will entertain a motion to take up item 4A review and deliberation of the District boundary Maps so second all those in favor I okay you you'll want to use the microphone so they can hear you okay okay I think I'm back on yes okay um so we have the the four uh the four Maps I'm happy to pass the maps the thing back and forth um we're not taking questions or comments at the moment we're going to deliberate concern could you possibly make those a little larger you can see them maybe put a rent that right at The Rotary every knows where that is you could take that very easily lower some of the font sizes and make the picture twice as big on the previous one yeah everybody knows where the is we're just gonna take this offline while the committee deliberates and then we'll bring it back up yeah we'll go ahead and and do that while we're while we're talking yeah I wasn't even saying for today but just yeah I was sitting here I hear a lot of people sure I can't see it yeah no sure sounds good um to pass the mic around a few um as we go any initial thoughts um on on any one of these four um one that we might be leaning you might be leaning towards sure what one I'm leaning towards yeah y hello everyone um I'm leaning towards the Cor number one alternative the core uh the more compact uh illustration provided and the reasons being it reduces the risk U smaller projects U minimizes the Financial Risk uh to a developer and the community um it also gives a better approach to address unforeseen challenges and it also helps the community um you know some of their concerns they have UPF front uh it also helps with Community acceptance uh allows the community to grow on a smaller scale and ease into the concept um also the opportunity for the growth smaller projects allow gradual growth um making it easier for the town's infrastructure and services to adapt over time rather than being strained and also provides U more flexibility starting small projects or smaller infrastructure allows for flexibility to make adjustments based on real life feedback in the town sorry getting over C and it also um lets developers get time to adjust to what we're looking for in terms of designs amenities and um feedback as well thought my thought alternative one thank you guess I'll go next sure um I like the idea of a more compact District I agree with uh much of Nicole's thought process I think the town um would react better to some slow growth see where it goes um I talked to many many people just walking up Street wherever I was and there is a an appetite for the center of our town and when I'm speaking about the center I'm talking around the rotary area where we have the industrial part coming down that I I do encourage this town to change um for commercial or business use um I will think that um I do have a bias I live literally almost in the center of town in an historic house um all of the houses from on my side of the street left side um from Brook Street down are all um were built before this town became Incorporated it started 1800 1830 1860 all one family um they're lovely houses uh I get concerned when I see that residential um houses would be included in this um I do think there'll be some push back from it um from a personal standpoint uh we bought the house knowing we backed up to some commercial properties and business I Am pro business um you have to have a good partnership between the residential and the commercial um I don't know that we want to open up more um shaping areas so to speak as well as when you buy a house you buy it and you think this is my property um and then the change the Zone I think can be very disconcerting um having said that we also this state just changed a Statewide law that I know is not related but in the big picture because this involved the entire town is related uh they passed the Adu so I look and I say hm residential especially say residential C which are larger Parcels they can have accessory dwellings by right um the town is now putting in some guidelines um and proceeding as best they can to me it's an unknown I can't say if it's good or bad I don't really have have an opinion yet until I see what happens um so I think there's an opportunity here however to address some of the housing issues as far as uh mixed juice within the actual Town Center District um I'm personally very open to that I think if our town has some Vision uh through our boards and with developers who have real vision and see this with the the value that it is our town has value we need to start making that apparent many developers know this however we want quality vendors to come in or developers I should say who share our vision of town and that means when you look around a center you see something that may be more aesthetically pleasing suits the local populace well uh become a destination but we have to be careful with uh of course we've got the rotary which is in the middle of town so that in itself um Can hinder some things I think at times uh but I do agree on a compact core I would like to see the residential because there in all of these there are many residential areas that may be affected and I'm I'm concerned about that um also 330 Chestnut I have no idea I understand the thought process and why um many tables wanted that included that is um an area if for those of you most of us know this but maybe you don't that is where there is uh it's a brown field it's where the old package machiner Machinery was and currently the town is uh we've got the warehouse there and so I think people want to address that and get that answer I don't have an answer for that um but that is so far removed and I would say when we go far down North Main it's it's removed from the center as well if it's a center Town District let's keep it in the center thank you thank you um so uh before I pass on um I was looking at um alternative three um and one of the things that um I want to note is that um we can um these are suggestions and we can um take um edits to these um I liked uh number three specifically because it does address a lot of the industrial going up the the northern part of the rail Tria um I think that it's important for our town to um look at those particular Parcels the industrial Parcels um and then that space um I believe the parcel uh in that one that's not included is just the other side of the rail trail um which is the Carin building I believe in number three so I I would suggest moving that line over to include the Carin building um it's also the one that has the least number of residential a um and looking at the lines um I know that the rotary is the center of East Long Meadow by default um but by doing this we have the opportunity to um to change the face of where the center Town district is we can say that the properties where you know where we have Center and to the West that we can pull the traffic away from the rotary we can pull it down Shaker Road towards those other industrial properties and create more walkable spaces and create more um commercial use mixed use and try to get people outside of the rotary and away from the Rotary right um so great great points made already um I have some of the same sentiments and and questions my first in uh inclination is actually to go for uh the mixed use Corridor approach I can't say happy with every line on it but my initial thinking is especially taking into account some of the newer plans around North main streets Redevelopment in the next few years uh including new grants that have been one to to uh improve and modernize it I think uh Redevelopment along that Corridor as far as we can take it is is is smart to go to company that kind of Transportation development um and similarly with the rail trail being sort of explored for redevelopment to I think moving as much additional f ibility in development uh into that area is is a net positive I think for the future of the Town um I can certainly see the the attraction of a central district as well uh but in addition to the points that have already been made I think uh that's why I would first lean toward a mixed use Corridor uh option two um and it's really but I do also really appreciate hearing everyone else's thoughts on this I looked at it um from the Viewpoint of the town in the in the compact District area has a has the most Parcels that are underutilized or vacant or have been utilized in a very inefficient way for a long time um and that that's going to change one way or another it has to change um going forward um for that reason I I focused on the the compact core but I I also think you know a little adaptation might be uh worth considering as some of the my fellow members have said with regard to the mixed use Corridor um but our Center of Town offers an extremely interesting opportunity that really can't be found any any place else that I'm aware of uh in western Mass and that is it it offers a a truly walking Community right now we have set up a couple places to eat two churches Health tracks to work out um Walgreens number of places to shop places to get something to a a coffee or an ice cream uh and the walking trail and it's it's all within minutes of this Central core what we don't have is housing which would um really make it attract make an attractive place to live where you could come out of your door and just walk to any one of a number of those things that already exist and if developed right could become I think one of the nicest walking communities anywhere so um for that reason I I'm really focused on the compact core thank you you want to read Ralph's comment into the record here I'm Ralph's comments um okay um so uh Ralph H our ex ex officio representative from Town Council is unable to join us tonight but has a few remarks he would like to have read into the record um Steve if you wouldn't mind yeah so these are Ralph Pig's um comments that he sent in because of his absence Rebecca thank you for sending along the compilation of districts I have the following thoughts number one my recommendations regarding boundaries will change based on what language is included in a bylaw this process seems backwards shouldn't we develop criteria that the town wants then decide where it would best fit number two if we start with a compact District we can add to it as the needs require if we start with a larger area it is extremely difficult to scale it back number three currently 330 Chestnut Street meets the requirements for a multi-use village if the property owner chooses to request a zone change for this reason amongst others we should not consider making this a part of the Central District the Central District by virtue of its name depicts a new Zone within the center and not spread out the industrial Garden Park should be left alone one of our Town's best features is having a wellestablished industrial Garden Park number six a vote should be taken to see if the town wants to proceed with 40 r as this will make a difference on what partials are included in in the center Town District number seven removal of industrial in the center of town should not suggest a complete removal of our industrial district many small manufacturing and machine shops can diversify the town which helps Recession Proof it these are a few of my thoughts as we move this process Ralph P thank you I really appreciate it um so if we're looking at um a combination of alternative uh one two and three um is there um I know um I know your concern is primarily with um residential Parts I do have a concern over that yes um because I I think I think when I think of Centertown District um you know East Long Meadow is a bedroom community and we are we're unique in the fact that we have a great industrial commercial and business um backbone we we came up through this we also have a lot of residential and um people like to live here people love it um I do and I think think we uh tend to be protective of of our houses so when you again when you buy the house you're thinking this is my house that I bought if a zone changes and you know there is the argument that well you now could make meab buuck because you could redevelop your house [Music] um that is true that's a possibility I get a little concerned about fre down Sun of our our um streets on North Main Street um a few years ago many years ago we had it's uh Zone when I picked up and I looked at our zoning map to me where things should happen jumped right out and it was some of the industrial that is near the center Corridor uh commercial and business I I think from an economic development point um commercial and uh business development is key in the fact that the those two developments do not they add to our tax roles however they do not take up um not take up but add to our school roles um having said that um the steed's point in the center is our town devises its own rules um we we could make it so it's upscale living arrangements and not necessarily adding to our school I get concerned we're building a new school it's going to be beautiful and it will host x amount we don't know what the future is going to bring I like slow development um so yeah I'm ramling on here uh but I I definitely I like some of your ideas as well about some of these uh close by areas undeveloped or like Baldwin Street uh that could be incorporated um I definitely am a proponent of cut out some of these residential I also saw some of these Maps cut right down the center of a street and I'm going so half of the street you're cutting up a neighborhood and half of the street is not and half of the street is in it I think we need to be very cognizant of what we do thank you so if we if we looked specifically at um one and so the biggest difference between two and three is this this lower um Southern portion of the map I feel like um the the two large two ex past two EXT north of uh of maple as well it extends um South and the north of Maple Shade shade yeah where three does not um so if if we're trying to come up with um a a cohesive set of boundary lines is there um any other discussion or thoughts as far as um what we do like that might be in three versus one or what we do like that's in one versus three or I think that in my mind the center Town District should be really focused on this the center of town and to to extend the boundaries North and South as far as two and three go I'm not um I'm not real keen on that okay any thoughts um no no any additional thoughts I know you ask to talk at this point it's only 7 o'clock okay okay so um we are um at this time we are going to go ahead and open up the floor for public comment um vote for that we take a vote to open public yes yeah okay um this time I would entertain a motion to open the floor for public comment so moov second second uh all those in favor I okay thank you um in order um in order to afford the committee enough time to conduct its business this evening residents are invited to State opinions or ask questions during public comment questions and comments will not be addressed on an individual basis um but will be noted and addressed as a whole by the committee in um follow in their following deliberation um we ask that you uh come forward state your name and address for the record speakers will have the floor for a minute 30 seconds and we'll be asked to step aside um when their time is up questions and comments should focus on the issues and avoid personal attacks as an ongoing Democratic process a lack of closure must be expected and accepted um be fully present and do not cross talk Aiden will get off M thank you so much any questions or comments I have the mic here but anybody who wants to speak please come up and I'll hand this over to you I can also come to you come voted and then motion and uh I also think number one and number three definitely not two or four and I just want to make one correction on Dawn sorry but yeah resident C is the smallest Lots largest that's it's mostly resident C around the center of town including I believe your property it's C or B so C is the smallest not the largest so and to get rid of industrial right around the center two home the two Lumber Mars need to be red uh rezoned get rid of the uh industrial zones right around the second I lived in ammer Mass started name name and address for the record Elanor Schuman 16 B Vista thank you and ammer started building uh mix buildings right in our down downtown whether there was room there for them or not they pluged them in what they didn't do was consider parking and I hope that whatever rezoning or acreage is designed and planned the parking is taken into account so that if apartments are created that residents have designated places to park and they're not taking up the public parking areas because that's what happened in ammer a town that already had no parking now had even less so i' just like to make sure that's taken to account good evening Ernest gag and 24 Jam Drive uh we're talking about services that will need to be rendered uh for residents new residents to Our Town police fire schools I think we need to discuss density and the mix of business versus residential housing um to take that question into account nor Diane 46 Glendale Road I I think we should take into consideration Ralph PA's statement I it made a lot of sense I don't know if this vote has to be taken tonight it was my understanding that this committee was extended through March maybe I've got that long but I think that was stated at the last meeting so if it does doesn't need to be taken tonight I think maybe we should consider that's a be pretty accurate and pertinent kind of uh comments about the considerations we should have and I also am very interested in knowing how the town's going to be affected by new ad8 new laws law that's coming in February because I do think that would make a difference to what kind of affordable housing might be available to talent I know people that have already made comments with what their plans are and they are for small homes and G and I think that most definitely have an effect affordable housing for people in town hi am pH Rosa harage Road um it seems obvious to me that uh there's only one area in town that can be developed in the center of town and that would be Depot area in the Carin building with some options on Maple Court maybe close that off it seems like the place to start that makes sense if you want to test this it would then become similar to long metal to some extent and it's a core close by and and over by Rockies whatever we call that Center District area there those two working in concert but beyond that it's um it seems way too ambitious right now we've got two obvious Parcels that' be available and I bet I know so many would develop it uh closing off Maple Court might be the only thing we need to do and um using the the little ponds at the other end that are there is obvious we could go with it sooner than later thank you Roland balock 110 Smith Avenue I've been a resident for 35 years now 36 years I've also was involved with the traffic studies and other issues that we've had here in town my worry of course is traffic we have the Guinness Book of Records sitting out there in the rotary and every road leads to the rotary and if you're going to do something that my business May deal with packages calls dents make sense you were thinking the same thing dents make sense in the center of town well DSE brings in traffic that will create dense traffic until you can put in a four-lane road that runs 83 Route 83 how much more dense can you make it uh I just sat out there working on our Christmas tree that with all the lights and all you have to do is sit out there for a day or two or night like we have been and listen to what goes on in the rotary go out there and have a seat sometime you'll be amazed um also how small or how compact of an area do you need qualify for this 40R uh did they say I don't know uh also how many people were involved in the brewery drawing drawing party uh they highlighted quite a big area quite a small area they all came up with areas where the people in those areas notified about this and what's about to happen to their area because I think it's only fair to do that to our citizens uh that are either running businesses or living there and uh that's all I've got to say Mike Raleigh uh 15 Lester Street uh question with the areas within town that we could put it up is there any plans I'm just talking let's say the big Why Stop and Shop area the owners of those uh facilities looking at saying G we want to try to expand in this direction or that or are you you working totally just on your own or are you looking talking to other businesses in town you know where do you have any fiveyear plan down the road 10e plan and how you'd like to expand your area and see it hi Greg Thompson 426 Porter Road um I I think one of the main things that we do need it's obvious is housing in the C talked about it a lot um I think there's a somewhat of a concern about the affordable housing aspect of it and the 40R I think a possible strategy we looked at uh would be density uh perhaps 12 per acre I think we can get market-based market-based reasonably priced housing not affordable housing but market-based reasonably price housing for our aging parents for our children who have graduated high school or college recently and want to live in East L Meadow currently there's no way to um grow out of your house and there's no way to enter the the town affordably so uh I really hope that housing is a large part of this I know we haven't worked out the details yet um but but I I don't think we should be afraid of it because the country is uh has a massive shortage and we all need to do our part and if we want Islam wi to continue to be healthy it it has to continue to grow and uh and be better so thank you for all your work ons what else yeah it's quiet hi Charlene Balck um Smith Avenue I'm just a little concerned that we're doing this these few zonings on one night that we spent in October with a certain amount of people that showed up that night to decide where we're going to go from here I think it's too short of a time in a single night to decide where our zoning is going to be I think that's something that needs to be thought of further I don't think that it's now's the time to decide tonight that we're going to check one two or three and go with that I think it needs to be I think we need to look into it further I think one night with just seven tables or whatever 13 tables we had isn't enough to decide what we're going to do with the future of these s meta and I agree a lot with what um Ralph Paige had to say in his comments too thank you okay I'm gonna head back if uh one else wants to speak Aiden can you just note in the microphone that um folks online can also raise their hand on Zoom to participate sure and also um folks online can raise their hand or their virtual hand on Zoom to participate everybody's raising their hand okay um okay so uh at this time we'll go ahead and do um a little more deliberation and um chat about the maps and um see what we come up with go from there um based on additional comments um from the floor um does anybody have any additional thoughts um adjustments um I think I tend to be a visual person we've talked about a few changes here I think maybe if we could nail down some stuff and get an idea of where um I do I will say I have concerns of uh kind of creating a Zone and not knowing exactly what's going to be in there however there are um we have to figure out the whole purpose is to create a Zone to create some energy and vision um and I think that can work this is I'll be honest this was this is the most different process I've ever been in and I've been in a lot of processes here uh and at first I said I don't understand it um it seemed to odd to me however the the conversations we're having with the towns folks have been um fantastic it doesn't just relate to a lot of the information we're getting from people isn't just related to a center Town District it's the spirit of the town it's the future of the town where are we going to grow a lot of it has to do with master plan and I know we've all heard master plan it goes into a drawer and it disappears I feel there's an energy here that we should capture um as far as uh deliberating on what exactly is in here um that's going to be I think a big discussion that's not happening here tonight I don't know I don't feel comfortable I'll be honest drawing this out I want to see what we come up with can something quick so tonight um what what our uh objective is is to draw out the uh first iteration of what this could possibly look like and then it will um go to the planning board and there will be deliberation they can change they can they'll be able to make edits from there um and then uh further it then it'll go to Town Council and then Town Council will then be able so what we are drawing is not the final iteration of what this map is going to look like this isn't a an adol all final mapping so what we're what our job as the steering committee is to do is to give uh Direction and say you know if it's not one uh maybe it's something somewhere in between one and three maybe it's one but going up north a little bit or it's three and taking it down a little bit then we kind of uh carve it out and then we move forward from there and then it will be further edited and further altered so we're doing the creation tonight we're doing the creation tonight the first iteration yes okay and if I may as support staff yes thank you so um as support staff for the committee I'll just um say the goal tonight is to create a first cut at the center Town District boundaries so that pvpc can do an impact analysis um and uh help you better understand uh what the impact of those boundaries would be in terms of um New Growth and new housing potential and then you'll also work to create a bylaw at a at another meeting and then you may decide to amend your initial map based on what you put in the bylaw and all that has to get voted on before you send it to planning board and then they will have hearings so public hearings to just like any other bylaw that we pass in town um the planning board has to review it they have a public hearing and then whatever recommendation they make goes to the Town Council and then Town Council has its public hearings and they can further amend whatever iteration they get along the way but it is important to um carve out and Boundary this evening so that you could start to see what the impact is and what the potential for New Growth and housing and other sorts of development are going to be so that you have that information to inform what your working on moving forward that helpful yes that very okay thank you okay any other thoughts yes okay yeah just I guess on this on on a similar Point um when I look at the different options I think different potentially different you know uh rules that would then fall into place based on the size of them so maybe more intensity for a smaller alternative like one um whereas two which is obviously the biggest or three which is still you know quite big perhaps there's less pressure in that scenario to have the number of units per acre for housing for example or um or things like that but I think you know I I I I want to thank the people in the audience too for raising some interesting points um I don't want to see you know a a z District that includes as many parking lots for example as we have now because they're they're hopefully not needed right because um to other people's points there is more walkability there are there is less need to be getting into your car and driving across North Main Street from one parking lot to another which you see quite a bit today right um so those are just some of the things that I'm I'm thinking about in terms of the different Alternatives any additional LS uh I'm good okay what are we moving do we move on to you still um you're still deliberating until you figure out where you want those boundaries to be okay so maybe start with the um compact four and Trace the boundaries and figure out what's in and what's out okay um so let's go ahead and take a look at let's start with uh number one um and one of the things that I I did notice on the um the right side there is a lot of that residential um going up Prospect I believe those those are on the left side of prospect those are all Residential Properties there are a few that are not like early uh sorry there are a few as you go up prospect there is so you have the Congregational Church there is a um on the left hand side the church owns the building it's a white uh commercial building or retail building there are also some um couple of shops that go up I don't know how far um if we could we could probably pull up our zoning map which I've got and we could just figure out and we could if we want to chop out I first is there a consensus here though about alleviating some of the residential and I I do appreciate the point um that Marty made on if we want to do anything with Baldwin there are a couple of residential Parts there that go right into um Z yeah I'm I'm comfortable with the the way that three kind of cuts through will help you trace um so that it's not as oh yes here we go okay yeah so um looking at three the way three kind of zigzags through and looking at this other map um that we have where Spruce is and then it kind of zigzags behind those are all those Residential Properties I do think that that is um kind of in line with what you your thoughts are so kind of zigzagging the same way that three does along the the back side of those Residential Properties does a BRI does a pretty good job on the zig zigzagging I it looks like maybe they looked at them out I don't know job um so I I do think that if we can um redraw that um going down is that Spruce so from Shaker and then zigzagging and so it up through the way that three does yeah want to I'm trying to cut you want to basically cut along the line of indust the back side of the industrial the backside of the industrial that front Shaker yeah yeah I think that's I'm in favor of that and then on um on Elm we've got these are it goes uh the first two Parcels on Elm on the left side and there is also yep Stacy is included in this would be cut cut the sorry the two the first two Parcels which are the uh Pride station and the old ritos and then it cuts down then from then on are the residential all the way down the brook and again it looks like that was cut out on the number three um agreed and then let's see sh shaker is good are yes the Shaker Shaker looks good yes you trying to keep up do I'm having a little hard time are you saying so we're right here we're up here okay so this is pride and then going this way and then coming up this way yeah like this okay you don't want to include this so I think that we should include go up and include this other part the northern part yes that's how you have it okay yes because they are Zone it's it's kind of naturally following our current our current zoning law which was well well thought out and I think maybe if we hold the line on that it'll make it a little easier um and then kind of going back to directly the the first furthest East where um there's the um yeah you're right um what is the the PT place there on um oh yes mvt so yeah so kind of similar again to three how it kind of cuts behind I think three yep and it they had the map there's no okay yeah I do um want to address this southern part of number three that is in number three but not in number one and a lot of those um buildings that are along there um I think are kind of Forgotten buildings um and right now there's a kind of a mix of industrial and office commercial there um we have a couple of businesses in there um there's the one that's like the buy something on Tuesday for $15 something on Wednesday for 10 and it goes down until $1 on Friday um I've actually never been in there but you know I think that including that section and maybe doesn't need to go all the way down but including some of those in there is that industrial area just to try to elevate that space and if there's a developer that wants to come in and um pull that into you know we're we're creating this uh idea of of what could be right so those buildings are uh many of them are uh the Spate buildings uh if you look at Shaker Road you go up and down a lot of the buildings are the same building cinder block and whatever um and so for future to your point would be that if and when ownership flips now would be an opportunity to give a developer some juice so to speak yeah and it's along the rail tril yeah yeah that was just going to be my point I mean anything we can do to encourage development so where where there is more walkability already built in seems like a real positive to me I'll for that yep okay so if Little Pork Chop kind the pork chop yes um all the way down this Chestnut yeah yeah all the way down so I the including oh look at that thank you at like Southern or boundar is chestnut we're gonna start at Chestnut start at Chestnut is the Southern Point um including the the you know going up the rail trail and up um Shaker to Spruce correct is that what we have yes Shaker to Spruce that's where the original you want to capture the rail trail Kyle rail trail and and you're you're adding from Spruce down to Chestnut on the side on the the rail trail side yes on the on the rail tril side there are some houses there but I I think they're they're obviously zoned office and Commercial so they're already zoned not residential okay there's two no we've got two hold outs there on residential but um I think one is a I can picture them but I think they've got businesses in them but they should I don't possibly C and then um I think currently we have it uh kicking from there going west towards the that there's like a residential street there uh no not that far not that far yeah yeah to there that line yes yeah um all the way North to Maple to include the Carin building um from like nor cross house you guys were refer to it by things that newer people in the town have no idea what you're talking about yes yes okay across from nor cross correct or it's not quite down as far it's not quite that far it's property on the other side of the rail trail so rail trail the rail trail and then the building thank you yes y okay down bald street down the center of baldman Street so on one it does not uh it does cut off the left side of Baldwin on three it does not includes I what are those Parcels those are in industrial I would include all I would include all of bald Street yeah left and right side yes yes that's that agreed do you agree with that no okay so some is a question yeah just wait can can we can we finish this real quick can we can we finish this real quick andang we're we're draw we're drawing the the whole map and then we'll zoom out so you can see everything that we've drawn um so so yes from the where the historical society is up um to include uh the question I have is to include the um uh this mini storage parcel angle yeah he'll flip it yeah that's yes yes to it yes okay I agree good need one of those old school overhead projectors you can just draw with a marker that totally age myself you get that other thing there that personally all right everybody bear with me I could take a picture of this and text it to him put it on like do the East Boundary on that page this this yeah there and then the last um question I have um is there is a looks oh that's a Conservation Area never mind there was a a large person um right here that is a conservation area yeah get that's pretty much Untouchable yeah you could still put it decide to put it in the district and it would remain Conservation Area okay okay um hand this to you I'm walk this over to him conclude on the Northern on the Northern boundary um yes sorry okay so um I think that what we um discussed was including the parcel where the Mini Storage is there's a little cut out um on the northern part of the Mini Storage that is residential um then coming back down the rail trail and then meeting back up with uh where one was originally where did you include the do you want to include the conservation area where alternative one is originally um yeah alternative one goes south of the conservation area if you go back uh down south along the rail trail yeah go south of the conservation are we can go south of the conservation area or we can include the conservation area this conservation this one right here oh okay just kind of sitting in there I mean I would just add we we have potential Rail Trail North of that that is in the same Spirit of developing along a rail trail that leads to the center of town I'm just my personal View sounds like maybe this is not the consensus butor so with that potential rail trail addition being considered right now that's a whole area that that could benefit from being included in in this uh in the in these boundaries for the purpose of putting more walkable uh development near the center of town I'm not in favor of extending the rout Trail and so I I think we ought to keep the boundary closer to Alternative one that's I con so so then um going south of the conservation area yep and then East on that boundary round it um going all the way over to Main and then I believe that's North to um to Brook Street is that right go away to Brook no not quite to Brook I apologize yes to there um not all the way over um down close to the right just a little bit more oh on the other side yeah and and jig Jag and down J down to the left and then down and then jog left left no other left down and then down a little what's that down and then to the right and then down to the right yeah yes and then um and then down to White a and then it follows there's a it doesn't go quite that far it's just these first couple Parcels right there yes and then down can't read my chicken scratch if I get if I stand in front of the screen will it yeah it does can I come look over your shoulder no you can stand right here it's projecting there I'm GNA hand back so it's this parcel okay all right come look over your shoulder yeah that's the church so and then through the back all the way down and then that little that little square to the left of that little square Don do you see what she's doing can you narrate can you narrate what they're doing they're coming down the back of parcels on Shaker Street can't see it so they're presently cutting the boundary South along the backs of the parcels that have Frontage on Shaker Road there start there of your place it takes care of all this crap behind pretty much Lumber constru don't do the whole start there and thiss out bring this is where we need to the microphone you ask him to just sit down Peter to sit down I would I start right don't go here start here Ball Street okay just use that zone there's no housing no what's leaving so well give him the microphone so he can follow one straight you wanna have comments or not yet um no not at the moment okay okay so um based on uh the conversation that we just had um um the uh Red Line area is uh what we've come up with It's a combination of kind of of one and three it's taken a little bit of um um parts of three going south um Extended one just a little further north to include the uh mini storage and a couple of the other industrial Parcels based on on um this map that we have here I think your Southeast Corner might be more narrow than what you had in three but I'm not sure if that's what you wanted um yes so we did not um draw to include um I believe there's on the South Side um there's there's a little a couple of parcels on the uh the southeast side on three that we did not include on one do you have any thoughts does anybody have any thoughts on those Parcels I believe those are one of them might be Shaker Bowl um don't remember what the other they're relatively there's quite a few new builds there there's there's a fair number of new builds there um so I think um to Caroline's point on the older builds might be where we want to concentrate I I know um I think it goes it's looking like it goes all the way down where they've refaced on the meadow shops have been refaced um a lot of them have [Music] been newly crafted so I would be curious on um on this other map that's got the colors um behind where that area that we were just talking about there is an under underdeveloped or um and vacant lot um that's kind of sticking in there um I would be curious if um if we did not include those Parcels um that are a little bit more uh developed as as you said but um maybe try to bring um that underdeveloped vacant land in if um it looks like there is a office commercial zoned property that abuts that underdeveloped vacant land and it does not look like there's anything on that land so if um it's this part right here yes this so this space right here I don't know where on this m this currently landlocked oh okay and there there are a lot of paper streets there um so that landlocked it just says underdeveloped or vacant it does not say what it is currently zoned ala Spruce um it's just yes south of spruce a landlocked area any ideas Tom I think it's anyway it's zoned residential but it's landlocked so just a just a thought um that it might just open up more potential for along that that whole area that that section but I see your point about those are already updated they're updated I'm I'm also thinking to Nicole's point was that if we have a more compact area and we concentrate and we see how it goes we can always if it's really successful and you know take a look back this is going to take quite a while right anyhow so maybe in five years or more we'll have a better picture of where it's a sound going okay any other thoughts or discussion about uh what we've come up with yeah I just want to make sure that you guys are are happy with the way you captured the top part because it is different than any of the other um Maps I don't know if that if was captured accurately that's all that I'm concerned about on the North the Northern end the Northwest end now that all piece there like the Baldwin Street area it's beyond Baldwin by a lot now yeah yeah okay so that car I think to the to the north um I'm not sure why we include the conservation area um and not leave it like we have on alternative one we did not include the conserv not includ it is not that it does not include it there that includes it that area that area is where the uh Mini Storage is no no the Mini Storage not that far that's the lot that's flat that's the parcel I see that is the parcel for the Mini Storage doesn't cut off at the line that's not highlighted no um the the mini storage units the mini storage units actually go quite a bit um closer to where that cut out is um to the left um it's on this map that we're looking at this is the Mini Storage it actually does go quite a quite far back into that that lot this is the many Star yeah and that's that that's that cut end right there so it does it does sit pretty far back into that lot that's an old lot line that that is an old lot line it doesn't exist no the dotted the dotted line correct is an old lot line there it is that's the parcel there's the Self Storage okay perfect yes yes so it does take up quite a bit of that parcel okay um and then so lastly based on looking at this um this other map uh it looks like we've captured without having to go further into residential it looks like we've captured about as far north MH um as we would be comfortable going so it seems like yeah okay any further deliberation see you have any other thoughts okay um so at this time I will entertain a motion to record the map labeled um compact core um as presented by PVC pvpc to include the following amendments um you have to read out the the the lines can we read can or you could just say the way that we drew the map this evening and okay yeah um so um the at this time we will entertain a motion to record the map labeled compact core as presented by P pvpc um with the amend amended lines that we have drawn on screen he's he's still drawing make it even a little smaller just do a snagg of it I think he's he's trying to uh make the lines more visible and draw them down um fill it in okay so we G do it one more time at this time I will entertain motion to record the map uh labeled compact core as presented by pvpc to include the edits drawn on the map um on the overhead and amended and amended include those edits to include those edits yes thank you so second second all those in favor I I okay any nose okay I'm opposed you're no no okay move one no one uh Steve is enough is yes okay want to comment um if you'd like to comment you comment yeah I like the participation I I think it's gets away from the center Square District as defined in most people's minds it's it's a little too big thank you I appreciate your input made the motion a second you made the motion yes motion Second Jason he he anything else uh any other discussion comments okay um all right um I will entertain a motion to move on to um 5A Deputy Town manager report is there another opportunity public comment um there will be um we'll have uh another meeting um to discuss um bylaws there'll be more comment open comments there they're open meetings so yes no com you can you don't have people to comment again yeah I mean if you want if you would like to oh yeah yeah for sure yeah I apologize sorry this is not the final vote I don't think they know it address address 90 seconds yeah yeah I'll keep it short hi uh Timothy Manning 40 Glendale Road um just want to bring up a couple things it's hard to decide on the location when we don't even know what's going in it it's a mystery box at this point so until we know the bylaw it's kind of hard to know whether or not this is good or bad it's just an unknown um two I know a purpose is affordable housing which is good definitely need more of it there's plenty of other places where affordable housing can be built in town don't need to focus just on this area three it is very concerning about the lack of participation we have 16,000 residents 10,000 voters call it 50 people here maybe more than that at the last meeting so we're talking what 1% of the population less than that half a percent just need more involvement more input and four just out of order as I said not knowing how this is defined makes it tough to know whether or not this is good if possible could a example of a central business district or Center Town District an example bylaw be provided so people can review it so we know what it may look like when it comes thank you thanks is there any other comments just have I have a question yeah actually Rebecca you had mentioned uh during the process for clarification so we presented this and to the point of what's going on in here now that we have um delineation that allows Pioneer Valley planning commission to then populate and sort of see scenarios okay thank you okay uh deput manager report yes okay do you need to take to motion to take it up sorry oh yes um go ahead motion motion I motion pick up the town Deputy manager Agenda Report report second second okay all those in favor I okay so thanks everyone um so yes congratulations you created a first draft of the Centertown District boundaries uh it's really an important Milestone because uh now we can have some more uh data presented for what the impact of these boundaries will be um and it will help to inform the actual bylaw uh draft that's created and this committee will review the bylaw um and as you review the bylaw you could continue to make amendments to the district boundaries based on the data that's presented um you could also uh amend the bylaw and as I stated earlier all bylaws go through a public hearing process first through the planning board and then through the Town Council so there's many many many more opportunities to know concretely what would be in the center Town District bylaw and where uh in town that bylaw would be impacting or affect which Parcels it would be affecting um for those public hearings there is a notification process for um uh residents that may be affected um so we have the impact analysis we also uh received a grant from the mass gaming commission this past year um what we'll be doing with that Grant in part is a parcel inventory and land value assessment um which is going to be uh empowering the the town to understand what Parcels would be in this district and how they may be um marketed to their highest and best use um so that information will be presented at the next meeting as well um and then other than that um we we have to take some time to create the data analysis and um we'll have a next meeting in 2025 and hopefully um turn that around pretty quickly to the planning board anything else from the committee y okay thank you all right motion to adjourn motion to Second all those in favor