All right. Well, go ahead and call the meeting of the bylaw review committee um of Thursday, November 20th at 603 call to order. And we're uh starting at 416. You said >> 416 vehicles and traffic. Mr. Chair,
>> thank you. 416 vehicles and traffic. Oh, look. I did make a note. Look at that. All right. 416-1 parking ban. It shall be unlawful for the driver of any vehicle other than acting in an
emergency to park said vehicle on any street when the town manager or designate has declared a parking ban. >> Good. >> Makes sense. >> Makes sense. Pretty clear and concise. >> Question. Um saw the gears turning.
>> Huh? So I saw the gears turning. >> Yeah. >> Private way that an automatic parking ban if there's a private way. My street's a private way and we have battles with the neighbors two streets down to keep pocketing on our street.
>> Who plaus your street? >> East Long Meadow. >> Then the parking brand would would apply. >> Would apply. >> Okay. >> Because it's a street that the town's responsible for. >> Yeah. cuz half it's Springfield half snow meadow. >> Okay.
>> Thank you. >> 416-2 removal of vehicles from streets and ways. The Department of Public Works superintendent or designate for the purpose of removing or plowing snow or removing ice from any street or way may declare a severe weather emergency.
So it's a scaffolding with the letter B now. Is that what it is? >> H. >> So A then triggers B. Is that what that that that means? >> Yeah. It looks like it's more of like a process thing. >> Yeah. >> Uh when such an emergency is declared by the department of public works superintendent or designated the police
department shall be notifi may be notified as the vehicles parked on streets in ways that hinder the removal of snow ice. Vehicles ordered for removal shall be towed to a convenient storage facility. According to a policy directed by the police chief, vehicles removed under the section shall be
subject to a fine of $30 for each offense in addition to any reasonable costs of publishing or sending any notices. The Department of Public Works, Police Department, or the Town of View Summit shall not be responsible for any fees incurred for removal and storage of vehicles legally towed in violation of
such declared emergency. So, I'm just curious um and I understand um the thought process with the superintendent of the DPW calling the the weather emergency. Um
should it just be him or should it be um the DPW superintendent or town manager or their designate? My thought would be to do town manager designate like it is above
>> for the parking ban. >> Yeah, I would suggest that only because the design could be >> the superintendent, >> right? >> Could the design also be the police chief or the fire chief? >> Could be. >> Yeah, >> that that's why.
>> Yeah, I like that. Yeah. >> So, we're switching A. So, we'll switch A and B. Take out Department of Public Works superintendent and change that to town manager. >> Mhm. >> Are you going to add it, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah, that makes sense.
>> That is for me. Maybe it's the town manager saying he doesn't want it. >> No, my friend. Potential spam. >> B. We're taking away the DPW supervisor >> because we're the designated. Oh, >> okay.
Do we have under our fee fine and penalty schedule that $30? >> Probably not. >> On B, do we want to leave it with the Department of Public Works superintendent like and the town manager or something? I'm just saying legally
then there might be need to be like a process change on paper to designate this the DP the DPW as the uh >> designate >> as a designate like we might be monkeying something on paper that we don't realize we're >> well I'm thinking ahead of time just
like if the um town manager goes away or whatever he has to designate someone >> we'll just leave it as is in addition to the town manager That's all I'm thinking. >> I'm kind of with Jim on that one.
>> Or for A and B, do we just say town manager, comma, department of public super works in superintendent or designate? >> So, you kind of have like three choices or >> Well, then does that put two people against each other? If the town manager says, "No, I don't think we should be
calling a an emergency." But the superintendent does anyways says, "Well, I got the authority." >> Well, technically, he works with a town manager, so >> yeah, >> they'd be a hell of a hell to die on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> I think the town should go into that section two just because of section one, just for consistency. >> Mhm. I also don't think we should take away the Department of Public Works out of there.
>> It's also a hill I'm not going to die. >> I'm just trying to make them consistent across 416. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, 46 up top is parking B in general. So that's the first step and that comes from the superintendent >> and this has more to do I think with
basically snowstorms. >> I'm not sure. >> Yeah, because I think dash one was saying you could declare a parking ban that isn't weather related whereas -2 is more specific to >> weather related events.
>> Yeah. And 2-2 is for the purpose of removing or plowing snow or removing ice from any street or way just be at the start of the day the town manager andor the department of public work superintendent or designate.
Yeah, I like including town manager so it's clear that like they're the still ultimate authority on it. >> But I do kind of like having DPW superintendent since it it's so related to weather and we know that that's generally what that is intended to mean.
>> So we'll do the town manager department of public works superintendent or >> said design or their designate. So the designate should be after the town manager, >> the town manager or designate >> and then a department of public work
superintendent. >> Would you want the town manager if designate someone if he's not around? If she's not around, >> you would assume the DPW. Huh? >> I would assume that be the DPW superintendent. Okay. Then if he's away
then a designate. That's what I was saying. >> Okay. >> Terms of a hierarch. >> What's Rebecca's position? >> Deputy town manager. >> Deputy town manager. Thank you. >> So the town manager department of public works superintendent or designate for
the purposes of removing or applying some removing ice from any street or way may declare a severe weather emergency. >> Yeah. Could we just put the comment before or but otherwise looks good? >> Not to let me make this even more confusing. Um,
okay. There is a uh back in in early 2000 we had a hurricane. I mean this says removing or plowing snow, trees fell, branches fell. Doesn't it also should be included in this letter A
other than just snow and ice? I don't think so. >> Okay. >> Only because if a tree falls, it's in a usually a limited area. Um, >> snow and ice is basically across the town based on the parking ban and all
too. >> Okay. >> Uh, so I updated B to mirror the language above. Um, did we look at the chapter 500? >> Is that the fees? >> Yeah, I don't have it printed.
>> I don't know where it is. I suppose I could just look in the big book. >> Where'd you get that book out? >> Oh, she begged for it. >> Getting more hiding around. Actually, I think Maryland just got the
last one. So, what would we be looking under? Police, uh, planning, local licensing, fire department, public works department fees, fines. Um, >> it would be chapter 500, Ryan. Probably.
>> Yeah. 5005 maybe. >> Not in here. >> It's probably not in there. Doesn't sound utility engineer chains, sewer inspections, storm water fees, transfer station,
electronics, water service fees. Search for like tow Oh, we're going to get town toe space >> town. No toe. >> So, it seems like it's probably not in there then. >> Yeah.
>> So, I think we make a note to add that. I think some of these are fees because it went to each department and we asked them, "Hey, what are all the fees that you charge, >> right?" >> This one's probably never been used.
>> So, we'll do take out this part. So, it'll end up saying under this section shall be subject to a fine as defined in chapter 500. >> Chapter 500. As long as we remember to add all the keys in. >> I know.
>> Good. >> So, I'm adding an additional comment. Thank God. >> The Department of Public Works, Police Department, or the town of Isa shall not be responsible for any fees incurred for removal in storage of vehicles legally towed in violation of such declared
emergency. Good. C. The police chief shall keep or cause to be kept a record of each vehicle removed under this bylaw. Such record shall describe each vehicle, its registration number, and location of the storage facility. The police chief shall within 48 hours send the owner on record
within with the Massachusetts registry motor vehicles by mail in writing or other means notice as to the location of the removed vehicle. >> Should it be the police chief or designate? >> Yeah, that's probably good. Uh I would
think yeah lieutenant could do something like that be >> yeah more by the people in the office. Yeah. And honestly, I don't think they really ever do this. >> Yeah, it's >> because you just go bang on the doors. >> For the most part, I mean, I drive an
East Long metal during a snowstorm. There are very few people on the road. I mean, >> everyone's got their own single family. >> Yeah, exactly. So, I >> I mean, occasionally you may see someone parked on the side of the road, but
usually it's because they're broken down. >> Yeah. I'm almost thinking in C we changed chief to department >> obviously the chief he he has the authority I think through the normal course of business he can direct >> who he wants to I don't think we really
need to change it >> true >> it's more of an administrative function than like >> like a power >> D if the owner of the removed vehicle is unknown the police chief shall within 48 hours cause to be published in the newspaper or of general circulation in
the town, the description and registration number if any of the removed vehicle and the location of the storage facility. If after reasonable time the owner of the removed vehicle remains unknown and reasonable effort has been made to locate the lawful owner, said vehicle will be disposed of
according to Massachusetts general laws to satisfy removal storage and administrative charges. The remaining balance of such disposal shall be put into the general fund of the town. >> So where would this go into the So where would this go into? The obviously could
can't go into the reminder because he's got to turn this around in two days. >> 48 hours. It's can only go to the Republican base which is gonna cost them a fortune. Probably more than the 30 bucks. And this I feel like I mean although it was
more related to like seizing like homes as a result of like taxes and stuff. I know there were a lot of cases that kind of overturned a lot of these kinds of provisions in the state
that you can't just take it and keep the proceeds. >> Take it with live 48 hours. >> Yeah. So I feel like >> where'd my car go? >> Yeah. probably not as of a section anymore. >> Yeah. This is so far down the line like
>> Yeah. >> Yes. >> They usually don't even tow cars. I don't even I don't think they do. They usually just find the owners of them. >> Okay. And back to Rich's point about the newspaper, do we add something in there about maybe
just advertising it on the town's website and advertising the back or we put that on the website? I mean, so it's it's so little used. >> But again, if you're we don't own a tow company. It would be the toe company's responsibility, wouldn't it? >> Not to advertise it >> under Mass General law. I think before
they dispose of it, they have to. sort of like a storage facility. If someone doesn't pay or whatever, they have to advertise it within my paper uh before they can actually seize the property and get rid of it and do we need this?
Yeah, it's almost one of those things like the only reason that section sounded like it was in there was just so that we could recoup the $30 fee that we were posting. Like >> we're going to spend thousands to do it. >> Can the town just eat that and let the tow company worry about how to legally
dispose of a vehicle if no one claims it? >> That's a good point. >> It does serve a purpose. I say leave it as is. By the time if it ever gets to this, the car is going to be abandoned. >> Exactly.
>> Something. >> Yeah. Maybe it's like a broken down thing that they were trying to get rid of for free or something. >> That was not their problem. >> Yeah, exactly. Good with uh D. You leaving it? >> Yeah, I'm fine leaving it.
>> Uh E. Before any person shall be permitted to reclaim a vehicle removed under this section, the person shall one furnish evidence to the police department of the person's identity and ownership of the removed vehicle. to pay the reasonable vehicle rubal charges, the maximum being established by the
office of the Massachusetts Attorney General and any reasonable daily storage charges together with the cost of publishing or sending any notices required by this section. So, my vehicle's towed.
I am really not going to go see the police chief >> to that that it was my vehicle that was towed. I'm going to go to the tow where I've told and I'm going to give them my ID and I'm going to take my vehicle after I pay my fees
>> to go to the police department to see the police chief. I think this stuff is all the way back to, you know, 1960s. >> Um, I just don't see it ever happening. Um, is it in there? Does it sound great?
Yes. Is it ever going to happen? No. You're going to go to the towyard. Um, >> yeah. Yeah. And maybe that was of the olden dates, too, where it's like, "Oh, we towed it to the police department," not like >> to some private thing. >> Maybe it's a section we give to the
police department to see what their actual process is these days. And >> it's updated accordingly. >> I'm going to tell you what they're going to tell you is we don't have to tow vehicles. Everyone's off the street. >> Um, >> if they're not, we knock on the door till they move it. And if they don't,
then they still they'll plow around it. Yeah, maybe we just remove E because I think it's kind of implied that >> you're going to have to pay whatever fee the tow company's imposing upon you to hit your vehicle. >> Don't know that we need to say this.
>> I'm off for slashing. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I I would suggest we remove E in its entirety. D is now removed. It's got some more that there.
I don't think it's written the note 416-3 off streetet parking. Any person or persons proposing to construct off- streetet parking of more than 1,000 square feet which will have access to and from any street or way shall first submit a plan showing the proposed work to the department of public works
superintendent or designate and obtain the superintendent's approval prior to issuance of any building permit. Why? >> Goes to the planning board, >> right? And >> yeah, that kind of seems like
>> in return uh consults with the DPW uh as far as curb cuts and stuff like that. And if they're going to do off- streetet parking, it's going to be part of a site plan review, which it's all tied together in it.
Yeah, it almost kind of seems like a zoning thing that's outside of the zoning by. >> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. >> The only thing I can think of this would be here, but it doesn't even say that it was added would be for um >> storm water.
>> No, because our um zoning bylaw specifically deals with having to do a storm water management plan. Yeah. >> But that's on anything over one acre. >> Yeah. And this this 1,000 square ft which >> is tiny.
>> We get rid of it. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I think we leave off streetet parking to the zoning portion of the bylaw. >> Yeah. We're going to strike it. >> Slashed.
>> Fire lanes 416-4. The fire chief or designate may designate fire lanes within the limits of any private way, parking area, or driveway for the access of fire apparatus, ambulances, or other emergency vehicles to multiple family dwellings, stores, schools, healthc care
facilities, elderly housing complexes, and places of public assembly. Good. >> Is this before, during, or after construction? >> Probably all of it. >> And the only reason I'm saying is
obviously when you submit your plans, um, it actually doesn't go to the fire chief. I mean, I can understand no parking or anything like that within a fire lane, but I I just I've never heard of the fire
chief designating fire lanes. I'm not against it. I I just I don't know. >> I don't think we need to do anything is even used. >> Uh B. The owner of record of any area designated as a fire lane shall provide and install signs that shall read fire
lane. No parking, loading or unloading. Violators can be subject to a fine of $100. The sign shall be 12 in wide by 18 in high. They they shall be installed at a height of 6 ft 6 in from ground level to the bottom of the sign. Location of the sign shall be approved by the fire
chief or designate prior to installation. That is very specific. >> Mhm. Is this done? >> I can't imagine that the fire chief's going on approving signs before they get installed.
If he wants to, we can. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That sign is 6 feet 7 in. >> I wonder if that $100 thing like is that a MGL thing or is that like a US fine?
>> That's a good question. And shouldn't the fine be under >> 500? If it is. Yeah. >> Oh, look. It's so specific to >> and long. At least we're on top. Wal's got the same thing.
Look like it's a stay. Yeah. Okay. But it sets the max. But I guess we set it to the max. So it probably should be in 500 then. D. That's just saying that the sign says that under D it says yes that the fine is
$100. Signment shall read fire lane. No parking loading or unloading by order usually. Okay. Good to leave B. >> Say it again. >> Is it good to leave B? Yeah. >> Yeah, I think B is >> I think so.
>> See, it is shall be unlawful to obstruct or block any area designated as a fire lane with a vehicle or by any other means. >> I think that's >> pretty straightforward, self-evident. >> D. The register owner of any vehicle that obstructs, blocks, or occupies any area designated as a fire line shall be
punished by a fine not to exceed $100 for each offense. >> Again, I would suggest removing the $100 and just like we've been doing. >> Yeah. >> Direct it to the fee schedule. >> And then when we add it to the fee schedule, I would probably remove the
not to exceed part since all of our other ones we've just put uh >> an exact amount like it's 100 not. Well, I think for you it's 82. Yeah. >> Push my vehicle. >> So, if I obstruct a fire lane by
something other than a vehicle, >> Yeah. >> I don't get a $100 fine. Because define is only for vehicles. >> Well, it does say vehicles and traffic as a title,
>> right? But what I'm saying is see above it. >> It says a vehicle or by any other means. >> So if I dump a pile of dirt in the fire lane that obstructs it, >> they can't find me. So he puts >> I'm not supposed to, but they can't find
me for it. >> A little state law covers it >> probably. >> Yeah, maybe that just like defaults back to the property owner or something >> cuz I guess to the enforcement part, I mean, at least with a vehicle, whether
you're there or not, you know whose it is. But if it's some random junk, how do you know who owned it? didn't get rid of it in the snow. >> Yeah. >> Snow plowing >> and again. >> So other than moving it to the fee schedule, we'll keep the
>> Yeah. fines and remove that. Who gets the job of writing all of this up? Ryan. >> Uh, let's see. So, I will entertain a
motion to recommend chapter 416 as amended. >> Second. >> Move and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Motion carries. Chapter 421. Water.
>> This should be this should be exciting. >> Um, what was the because we had some recommendations from Bruce, didn't we? >> I think it's for water. >> We do. >> Yeah. I don't know where it came from. So the first thing I would suggest is to
remove the article one if there's no article two. >> Oh, true. Maybe that was like an old >> What are you saying, Ralph? I'm sorry. >> Um, under chapter 421, it says article one, water emergencies, but there is back, right? >> There is no article two. There's nothing
else for water. >> Yes. There we have rules and regulations governing the public water system. Which >> so all we have is article one the same. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> 421. >> So why call it article one?
>> Chapter 421 water emergencies. >> Unless they're hoping to add other things underwater. Hm. So, I wonder if this is meant to replace that section
water emergencies that should be rules and regulations which should be an addendum. >> So, we have certain things like paper streets and stuff on that idea. Um yeah. Wasn't that a whole separate thing
that we received? >> Yeah. I mean, like I said, I can see that as an addendum, not part of the bylaw. >> Yeah, it reads as a novel as it is. And And I believe rules and regulations for
it are governed by each department. We have multiple different things that come up. >> Public ways um has its own little thing. >> Oh yeah, we have a whole thing. Division two is rules and regulations. So we'd
add it in there. where we now >> we're we're up for >> and it's a whole separate thing that's voted on by the council separately to be placed in as a whole. And I'm sure
there's going to be more um subdivision rules and rags is one that the planning board's supposed to be going through and >> at some point updating. >> Oh, we only have traffic rules and rings >> at the moment. That's all that's in there.
All right. So, we get we get down to there, we we can add this into it. So, we will So, >> a sec. Do you mind sending me that one? I don't think I've seen that. >> You sent it to me. >> I did? >> Yeah. >> Oh, all right. >> Got one.
>> Oh, that cuz that was back in March. Okay. >> Yes. >> I thought that was recent. Never mind. Uh, we want to remove article one, right? >> Yeah. Did you want to change the title be under chapter 421, water emergencies, because that's really all
>> Yes, that that would be my thought. >> Okay, I see what you're saying. >> So, chapter 421 would become water emergencies. Sounds good. Authority to declare. The town manager or Disney is authorized and empowered to declare a state of
water emergency as may be necessary from time to time in order to conserve water resources of the town and ban or restrict the use of water for certain uses. >> Sounds good to me. uh violations penalties. Any person who upon approval of the foregoing
restrictions for the state of water emergency by the Department of Environmental Protection of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts shall violate the ban or restrictions shall be subject to a fine in an amount of $100 for each violation and each day in which a violation occurs will be considered a
separate violation. >> Makes sense. We'll just do the same thing with the $100 move. Mhm. Applicability of state law. This bylaw shall be subject to the provisions of MGL chapter 21G and the regulations adopted thereaunder.
I'm assuming that's correct. I'm good with that. I make a move we uh recommend chapter 421 water emergencies as amended. Second. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in
favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Any abstensions? The motion carries. >> Wetland. Huh. >> Chapter 424. Wetlands Protection.
This is a long one, huh? Yeah. This is some light reading material. So it's not a short one at all for 21 purpose. The purpose of this file is to protect the wetlands related water resources and adjoining land areas of the town of Sado by controlling activities found by the conservation
commission here and after commission likely to have a significant or cumulative effort upon the following wetland values. Protection of public or private water supply and groundwater. Protection of fisheries, flood control, sediment and erosion control, serving as a drainage area for storm water runoff,
prevention of water pollution, protection of water quality, and the provision for and protection of wildlife habitat. Collectively, the interests protected by this bylaw. >> That makes sense. >> Yep. >> It's robust. I have a feeling this is
like a boilerplate conservation law. >> Yeah. >> Um yes and no. Um this was put in not that long ago actually. Um can you check or can you
see if this is also under the zoning bylaws? >> I think almost the same thing is in there somewhere. I may be wrong, but for some reason I feel as though I wrote this thing twice.
It is only in chapter 424. >> Okay. Well, at least in terms of water resources, what kind of protection? >> So, we okay with 424.1? Let's see where else gear is current.
>> No, I was just trying to remember stuff. >> So the same language shows up in Great Bington, Ammerst, Ringland, Pepper, Sunderland, Hudson, Southbridge. Oh, >> okay. Dyon. I know that is Huh.
>> As you said, boil plate. uh 424-2 jurisdiction except as peritted by the commissioner as provided in this bylaw. No person shall remove, fill, dredge, build upon, or alter the following resource areas. Upon or within 100 ft of any bank, bordering freshwater wetlands,
flat, marsh, wet meadow, bog, swamp, isolated wetland, or temporary wetland, or upon or within 100 ft of any estuary, creek, river, stream, pond, or lake, or upon or within 100 ft of any land, underside waters, or upon or within 100 ft of any bordering or isolated land
subject to flooding, or within 100 ft of the 100year flood line. The jurisdiction of the commission over any temporary wetland or in the 100 foot buffer around such wetland shall exist only if any such temporary wetland is found by a
qualified wildlife expert to be vital to the survival of any animal species that uses such wetland exclusively for its reproductive cycle. It's a mouthful, but it's very specific. We'll go with it.
>> Feel like 100 ft is like the the number. >> Yeah. >> 424-3. Exceptions. The permit and application required by this bylaw shall not be required for maintaining, repairing, or replacing, but not substantially changing or enlarging an existing and lawfully
located structure or facility used in the service of the public and used to provide electric, gas, water, sanitary sewer, and storm sewer, telephone, telegraph or other and other telecommunicating service, telecommunication services. Provided that written notice has been given to
the commission prior to commencement of work and provided that the work conforms to the performance standards in design specifications and regulations adopted by this commission. This bylaw shall not apply to any emergency project as defined the wetland protection act MGL chapter 131 section
40 here and after the wetland protection act in the regulations pursuant there to or to any mosquito control project authorized by any laws of the commonwealth. The commission may exempt by regulation the application of this bylaw to work performed for normal maintenance or
improvement of land actively devoted to agricultural use at the time of the application. Provided that such regulations are consistent with the provision applying to agricultural exemptions in the regulation promulated under the wetlands protection act. >> Do we have to keep the word telegraph in
there? So truthfully, I don't think any of us are qualified to make any changes to this. So I would make a motion at this time just to adopt chapter 424 as is >> all of it.
>> I don't think any of us have qualifications to really dig in. >> I don't understand letter A at all. So I I'm kind of in agreement. >> It's very very well written. Yeah, I it's I remember rewriting this from somewhere and it was very
>> Who wrote this? Do you know? >> I typed it all up. >> Are you serious? >> Yes. And I remember writing it from somewhere and it was like, are you kidding me? And um cuz we did it uh typed it all up with Ecode and Craig Jernstrom at the time.
had to make sure that we included it in our bylaws because that gave our local commission a little bit more authority rather than just using the state law. Um, but I would just say
>> there's not broken, leave it alone. >> There's >> maybe just the one fine >> fines in here. >> Yeah. >> Where were the fines? >> Uh, 424-11. 01. >> And so I think part of that is what we had changed
because originally Connor um they went through and said uh if the fine was this or that, it was this amount when we when we did the fee schedule. And it was just we basically said, "Hey, >> just too many open-ended possibilities
for fees." >> Yeah, it was huge. Um, and I know we made some adaption to that. We decided, >> yeah, >> hey, let's not keep all of these in. Let's narrow it down to this. But
>> the only other one I'm questioning is C under 424-11. Like maybe that's worth finding out if we have adopted that kind of ticketing system. >> Comprehensive ticketing program. >> Yeah. Hell does that mean? >> I don't know.
because that just seems a little too >> open-ended. If the town >> has a town adopted a comprehensive ticketing program, >> I don't know, but I feel like we should either make it we have or we haven't. But leaving the bylaw open to
>> Well, but but it says it does say if it's so it's a condition >> for 21D. So, would you want to keep it there in case you do go to that? >> I'm just thinking about it as a resident, though. How are you going to know that the town did or didn't and what you're supposed to
>> do? Ticketing program based for noncriminal disposition. And that is what we allow for actually. It's in chapter one of our our bylaw. >> Yeah. >> That we can deal with it with a
noncriminal disposition. >> So you don't have to bring them to court or whatever. You can basically fine them. Um, so we did adopt that portion of it and actually I believe the conservation commission actually there's
a gentleman on Porter Road that they actually uh assessed fines for. I don't know. That's right. >> Now, I don't know if our commission did it or if the state ended up stepping in. >> All it says is if the town has one, the
commission has to adopt it. If the town doesn't have one, then the commission can enforce >> under chapter. Yeah. >> Either way, it's happening, >> right? >> Yeah. I don't see any.
The only fee or fine I see is 300 bucks. There might be a different thing for fees. any person who violates any provision of this bylaw or any conditions of a permit issue pursuant to it.
Yeah. So maybe just like I said remove that fee and put it under the fee schedule. So be punished by a fine as defined in chapter 500. the other one on Porter Road. Those got up there pretty quick if I
remember right. >> Cuz each day of a violation may be a separate fine. >> Yeah. >> Who processed the file? Was it was the police or >> No, >> I don't know. >> What's that?
how >> um that I'm not sure if it was the state that issued the fine to them or if the town I think it's the town though >> um and that goes with the property. It doesn't go with the owner. So if someone else buys the property,
>> those fees, those regulations, um those problems are still with the property and the new owner has to take care of it. >> Doesn't that roll up in taxes, won't it eventually? Um, yes, >> that's a separate bow. >> Yep.
>> But Ralph, go back to your original point. You're saying approve this as is. >> Approve it as amended now because all we did was took out the fee and just changed it to schedule 500. But >> okay. >> Yes, that's that's what my suggestion
would be. >> Your motion? >> That's what my motion is. I'll second it. Move >> and second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Any opposed? None. And the abstensions? None. The motion carries.
>> I am out of paper. Where's next? >> Zing. >> Oh, seriously. >> The other the other threequarters of it. >> So, >> I don't have that. >> Can you pull up uh the the latest um 412 transparency?
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh, that's not an E code yet, right? >> It should be an E code. >> Is it? >> I have the paperwork here that says it is. >> 412. >> Yep. Right there.
>> So, this is the one that we just created and just approved, >> right? And I just I wasn't sure if uh anyone wanted to look at it to see if there was anything else or any adjustments that you think should be made to it.
>> Town council approved it. >> Town council approved it. >> I'm the only one on town council. >> But again, I mean I'm looking at it going >> question myself. That's the wrong >> I wasn't sure if um
you know there was anything else that we wanted to add to it >> under trans will be defined in chapter 412 um but we can I think building permits we can add because open gov has a public portal we just have it turned off now
um the police logs we can link out to it from from the transparency page which I don't think needs to be defined Um I guess certain things what was it the police um rules or procedures
for bodywn cameras. >> Oh true like any like departmental procedures and guides or something >> right and again I don't know if we want to uh suggest that those be added to it. Um,
>> I don't know. >> I'm not opposed to it. I guess the only thing I think about though the more we add to it >> the more that we have to keep it up to date or you know the department's using a new version and we haven't posted it and >> right
>> and it could get too big and then >> you're losing everything in noise you know it's not the the real intention behind it >> and I know there's other stuff that we do put on the website under different pages like the assessors has some stuff
and I think even under our council page Genies put like the licenses each year. >> So maybe it's just more about like revamping the transparency page to link to some of the other stuff that like hey there is other stuff you can find. It's just
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There. But I don't think we have to necessarily do that in the bylaw. We could just take that >> just put it up there. >> It's already there. just an organizational >> I think this is basically set up to where there's certain things that hey we want we want this up there
>> we want you to be able to see the contracts and all um we're not hiding anything right >> do um >> uh along that line should we add the expenses we have it now but it's not defined in
bylaw by bylaw >> oh >> oh like checkbook >> under transparency that we will keep and maintain. >> Yeah, cuz it's there now obviously, but it's not defined. >> Yeah, >> I don't think that's a bad idea.
>> I like that idea. >> Is open checkbook like the name of a software or something? >> Uh, it's it actually is the name of the company. It's but it's also like you know >> what you're doing. You're keeping an open checkbook to show everyone.
>> I don't know if there's just a different generic name we could use to kind of encompass like the >> Yeah. To post. >> Could you pull it up? Um maybe that'll jog our memory of terms.
It's right there. Huh? Okay. So, Remember, I'm the average citizen here. What is this? >> This is all of our everything that the town >> go on there and see what the town expended. >> Every single check that >> every single check. >> Yep. >> Yep.
>> From supplies and you can Yes. You can go, let's say, the school and you can break it down by that or the DPW or whatever department. Um >> I see >> it takes a while to get used to it. Um
especially when you're searching for let's say a certain company. >> Yeah. >> Um you know you may spell the name wrong or something and it's like nope they don't exist and what do you mean I know we >> Okay, that makes sense. So maybe
since it's always things that we're paying I it could be something to the effect rather than saying like open checkbook necessarily it's like we should include under transparency the accounts payable
like uh expenditures >> expenditures is a good word >> a detailed reporting of accounts accounts payable expenditures What's the page look like before this round? >> Actually, it I I kind of sideways with you, Conor. I I do
think open online open Checkbook kind of >> that's consistent like a lot. >> I think it works. >> That's fine. >> Yeah, I think it works. Conor, >> it just happens to be that name of the company is also open check. I
>> think it's open check. Open check. 2,000 bucks a year. >> So once I learn how to use that, I can find out anything that's been procured by the town. >> Yep. >> Yeah. You >> by fiscal year. >> It's you can do it by fiscal year. You
can search all of them. >> Yeah. >> You can search uh >> Wow. That's very That's >> by department. There's categories. I don't know what the categories really are, but >> you won't necessarily be able to see like the line item detail in the invoice, but like the >> the high level we paid so and so
$20,000, >> right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Like you see the See the smoke coming out of your head. Well, no. I'm just wondering if we divide this then into, you know, wages >> as one,
>> one article and article two would be >> I agree. >> Yeah, >> it's really two different topics. >> That's a good idea. What What were the other buttons that we had on there now aside from the open checkbook? income reports, uh, contracts, and financial
reports. >> What's under financial reports? >> It's like our audit reports. >> Yeah. >> Oh, the audit statement. Wow. That hasn't been updated in a little bit. >> Well, I don't think we would have our 2024 audit back yet, right?
>> No. >> Oh, true. >> That's right. I always mix up the years. >> Yeah. That's always like it's way longer, too. >> Go back to that cover page again. I like that. That's pretty impressive.
>> Thank you. >> So, personal contracts, what we're talking about right now, Ralph and Transparency, correct? >> Yes. >> So, these are all the different contracts, different union contracts, and all that are listed now.
Okay. >> Yeah. So, I like the idea then if we say article one is basically what we already had in there because that's pretty self-contained. And then article two, we could just list open checkbook. >> And if we wanted to say annual town reports and >> audits,
>> the financial audits. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Since it's already there, we're just kind of encapsulating what? >> So, article one would include wages, compensation, and contracts. >> Yeah.
>> And article two would be open checkbook, however you want to word it. >> My only suggestion would be because this is so new, that's what we want to do. Just bring it back as an amendment to the council and then >> Yeah. >> Not doing it through this process.
Yeah, that may actually be better. >> True. >> Yeah. And we could always take that as a um research exercise too to see what else are we posting on the town website and should that be >> moved or included too cuz >> I like that idea.
>> There might be other stuff that >> maybe putting out the department as you know there's transparency tabs. Is there anything that you produce >> Mhm. >> that can be included underneath the like a police log or >> And again, even though we put it under the bylaw, I mean, it's more important
just that we practice it, >> right? >> Um whether it's in the bylaw or not, if you're practicing it already, do you really have to say, "Hey, you have to do this." Um >> yeah, I think >> what would that I mean, >> I think the expenses I think should be defined in that.
>> Yeah. Like in 2015, the select board mandated that everyone's salary be put up to the website. Well, they never said they did it one year and I guess everyone was up in arms and then they just never posted it again. And it's
like, well, >> hey, should we put that back up again? >> The rule was still there. They never changed it. But >> that ah action items. >> I know. Yeah, I do. That's a good idea to uh
look to the council to do an amendment of it. >> Yeah. >> Instead of at this level. >> Okay. >> So, for our next meeting >> Yes. What are we doing our next meeting? >> Um chapter 115. >> 115.
>> Geez. Someone's been sitting on that sitting on this for some time. >> We just didn't want to interrupt us. We were >> only I got it. Do uh so if we keep our if we go back to our initial meeting cadence, we would meet on the 11th and
then >> no third would >> uh if we switch back to our cuz we this is we're now >> Yeah. going the other week back there. Okay. >> Right. >> Sorry. >> But then you would land on Christmas.
Uh so my thought is we use this as our new cadence. >> I would say so. should make us meet when? >> On the 4th. >> 4th. >> The 4th and the 18th. >> December 4th. Yes. >> Yeah, that would make sense to them. We're not running into Christmas and the
New Year's. >> Yes, that that actually works for me because that puts me in between my time away. >> So, we're now going starting at the the cadence begins on the fourth. Yeah, bet
starts today. But yeah, got you. >> And once but that this is one section. Once we're done with this, what's our next step? I hate to keep asking because I'm not sure. >> So, uh, next thing we got to do is review department head feedback.
>> Okay. >> Uh, Tom was checking off a bunch of those yesterday. I kept getting emails about it. >> Uh, but other departments have also submitted their feedback. So, go back through that, >> review those. >> Does anybody not have a printed copy and
want one zoning? >> I don't have anything at all. I'd appreciate if I copy. >> And I I would think J would need one, too. Right. Kingston. >> I'm sure he has his own. >> Okay. >> I'll have a I'll have Jeie print a couple and you can just stop into the office and pick it up from her if that works for you.
>> Sure. >> Okay. >> Thank you. So, are you talking about a copy with the suggested changes? >> I was what it was right now >> of zoning. >> Yeah. >> Of zoning.
>> Zoning. >> Yeah, I know. >> Well, the other group's already going through doing the kind of cosmetic lift, right? Diagnostic or whatever. >> Unclear. And weren't they doing like a cleanup or something?
>> They asked us what we were expecting, but I don't think that we >> I think they were going to bring it back to the town and say, "Here's how much it'll be or here's what we can govern our contract." >> Okay. Okay. So, next meeting. Okay. Ralph will
be making a big presentation. You're going to have a PowerPoint. >> 15 PowerPoint. Ross, I think a motion to adjurnn. >> So move seconded. >> Any further discussion? >> Everybody have a wonderful Thanksgiving. >> You too. Thank you.
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