14. Call to order the January 14th conservation commission meeting. Uh in attendance, Anthony Zampuchini, Elizabeth Stoen, Jason Gumpert, Thomas O'Brien, and Megan Logan. Uh first order of business is to approve
the minutes from the 1220 1210 2025 open session. Everyone have a chance to read the minutes. >> Any adjustments, questions, concerns? Make a motion to approve the minutes of
1210 2025. >> Second. >> All those f I motion pass. >> All right. >> Project monitoring. >> We have to make a motion. >> I'd like to make a chair. I'd like to make a motion to take >> Thank you. an item on order um that we
move 5B wetlands violation at 34 PS road to uh be before uh 4A notice of intent. >> Mhm. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I >> Okay, perfect. >> Project ning wetlands violation at 34 PS
road. >> Did you find in the back of your It's in the back of your packet. It's like it right after the outside of the restoration plan. >> So this was um I believe if you're here Yes. Did you
have anything? If you want to say anything to the board, you can come up and you can state your name and all that or just want to talk. Up to you. >> Okay. So, there was a a cease and desist ordered um for clearing within the
wetlands the or the buffer zone. Alex and I went out and take a look. Um basically what they were trying to do was um clear I guess you call it deadfall and hazard >> other hazard trees um from the backyard so they could go back there and walk and
bug and be safe um from things falling. Um, it's kind of really what they're they're doing. They're they're also uncovered that someone else is dumping on the property. So, um, recommended getting trail cameras on the
property line to that and then if they can uncover who's doing that and to they can turn over the the footage to us and we can potentially go after wetlands violation mark for the dumping. Give you guys a minute to see what you
catch on just put on the front. That's it. >> Nothing crazy. I mean, this wasn't like, you know, >> questions, John. >> No, I don't. >> Okay. God,
I have to keep. So, what are the next steps then? Um, there's no more there's no more cutting of trees at this point. Um from my perspective I mean if that pieces and and any additional and we
have a procedure right for there are trees on property >> the hazard trees they've already utilized it actually for the stuff that comes in their maintain back there. >> Okay. >> It is it is wetlands but it's still their property and they just wanted to let the dog out roam free and not get hit by falling trees which there's a lot
of dead stuff out there. >> Yeah. Looks like it was mostly dead. >> Yeah it's a lot of dead stuff. Yeah, I don't have much else to say about it. If if it's not happening anymore, then yeah. Um I don't see any anything else to discuss. >> Any thoughts, Tom?
>> Yeah, I mean totally ceased to assist. They're trying to clean up some dead wood on their property. I don't have any issues. >> Are we going to allow them to clean? I mean, what do you guys think about the um
uh walk through a walking path loop plan? >> Is that is that something that's requested? >> No. No. Should we request that and then I that way they have a safe walking path through the the back of the property or just it was just a suggestion from them.
>> It's always nice to have a walking path through the wetland. It is. >> I can't walk through my well water. >> That's pretty funny. >> It's a lake. I can't walk on water. >> Are we going to allow them to clean up whatever they cut outside of the buffer
into the wetland? >> Outside of the buffer? Yeah. >> They planning on cleaning all this up and the other stuff that >> that was the whole purpose. Yeah, the stuff. So, the stuff that was already piled, I believe you already took, >> correct? I think anything that's already on the ground is
>> cleaned up. We cleaned up all this stuff that's on all this debris that's in the picture. >> Yeah, I know you're not. >> There's basically >> piles of branches from the start.
>> I think a lot of it has to wait for the snow to be gone, right? Wait, I think >> what do you want? How do you want to handle it? You want to >> do we have to vote on it? Do we have to >> No, because we haven't issued we haven't issued an enforcement order on it. We just issued a cease and desist.
>> Okay. And we don't need to vote on it or anything or >> Do you have any questions for us about going forward or anything like that? Like we're not asking you to do anything crazy or Alex has been really helpful to set us straight on the street policy having a conversation.
>> Awesome. >> Good. >> Okay. Yeah. Feel free to use that hazard policy anytime. That's what it's there for. So definitely keep that in mind because that's that's why we created it to make it easy and fast for you guys if you ever need it. Um, I think if you
whatever you're cleaning up, it's fine when it gets warmer and you can get it back in there. It's totally cool with that. So, yeah, absolutely. And if you do find out who's dumping, please let us know cuz we can go after that for you.
Yeah, absolutely. Any of us have any >> Yeah, feel free to clean up that debris even though it's not your responsibility. Technically, it is because it's been dumped on your land. So, by default, unless you can find out who's responsible for it, the unfortunate
reality of it is it it falls on you as a property owner, you can leave it. You don't have to clean it, but if you want to, you're welcome to clean it. But if you can find out who's doing it, even better. And we can on that.
>> Burning season starts. >> Yes. When does it start? >> January 20th to May 1st, burning permit. Have you burned on that property before? Okay. Uh, things have changed up there. Go online, write fill your name in. Uh,
I don't believe there's a fee anymore. It used to be $5 for the burning season. What is required that you call every day that you plan on burning just to see >> they do it based on what precipitation
and wind I think for the day. >> Pull it out to the middle. I mean, I bet up there on your land. pull out in the middle and have a hose. >> What do you think, Liz, about the walker? >> H >> What about the >> I don't think we need it. >> Huh?
>> I'm not worried about that. >> I'm not worried. >> I'm not worried about >> It's just an explanation for them. They can actually do back there. It's not >> And they have a copy of this the the rule about the 30 in less than 3. >> Yeah, I've told them about it. Yeah, person. I told them about the exemption.
>> Okay, awesome. >> Yeah, if you have no more questions, you guys are good. >> Yeah, >> continue. Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. >> Um, >> notice of intent. >> Yes. Notice of intent NOI 2025-02 notice
of intent at 391 North Main Street Assessor's parcel ID 13-23-0 for the dredging of Blackman Pond to remove sediment as well as other park improvements subject to the wetlands protection act 310 CMR 10.0 00
bylaws chapter 424 protection applicant town of East Meadow 60 center square east metal mass 1028 continued from 108 2025 >> yes absolutely please want to look this
discuss >> awesome if you can just state your name for every >> So, I'm Chris Baker here um on behalf of the town for Birkshire Design Group. Don't know if Bruce is going to make it. So, >> okay, no problem. >> Go over everything.
>> Um I did bring a couple of larger hard copies. >> Okay, perfect. >> I don't know. >> Yeah, >> maybe we can write them out. And I brought I only brought one copy of the >> I gave them copies of the reply. Yeah. >> I didn't print everything from the sub.
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, probably enough just to go through a couple of >> So, it might be easiest just to go through this letter one by one because >> share it. >> It's just responses comments collected
from D, the staff, you all, everything that's happened. >> Yep. >> Kind of go through that. So, starting with the D comments, um they wanted uh this um hearing to be left open until the MEPA certificate was issued, which it was, and I enclosed that in the
packet. >> Um so, uh number two on the D comment was about it being a limited project. Um, we acknowledge that it it would have qualified um as a limited project, but we didn't need to use that because we
met the standards, the performance standards, and we don't have more than 5,000 square ft of BBW, so we didn't end up using it. So, it was kind of a moot moot point. Um, I guess just stop me if you have questions on any of these as I go through them. Um, number three, um,
is that the commission may ask for both existing and proposed data. And it was on the sheet. it was just very very light. I apologize for that. So I've given you sheet LC 140 which shows both of and existing and it's gener it's
almost um everywhere around the pond it's almost one exactly everywhere. >> Yeah, I could. Okay. Uh, actually 133 might be easier to look at if you grab that one.
So the lighter um lines are the existing and the darker lines are the proposed. >> Am I blind? >> These dark red lines >> uh just the dash lines in the pond. So it's these are the existing ones and
these >> these are the so those are the epimemetry just drawn superimposed on each other. >> Okay. Oh, that so it's this versus >> Yeah, >> the basic idea is that it's all being brought down a foot because that's how much soft sediment was found in the
pond. >> That's um Okay. Um number four is so there I know there was some back and forth with D and you all about where the BVW was and what counts as the replication area. So, we got that
straightened out where the restoration and the bank restoration is on the slope and then there's one foot of BVW around the pond and that's being um that's that's the restoration area, but we're not it was really a nomenclature thing.
So, that's not the bank restoration. So, just to totally distinguish that that restoration up to where the top of the slope is and then it's BVW there and it's it's uh basically a foot around the whole pond and it's a 1,600T
perimeter. So, that's the elevation. And on the second sheet and on the details sheet, we did cross-sections for the bank stabilization. So you can see the different plantings and seedings that we're proposing for those areas and it
shows the the one foot as you get to the top of the slope as >> Y. Um Mark >> wetland vegetation on those slopes. Um so there is yeah so it's so the slopes
any sloped areas there are going to be um I believe it's a lot of willow stakes so it'll be there'll be stakes and c put in and then um there will be kind of on top of that >> are you going to leave the grassy areas grassy
>> um >> that are so there are some areas look there are some access areas that we left that aren't seated. Um, probably 133 is probably also a good one to look
at here where there there are breaks in the proposed vegetation so that you can >> fishing dirty. >> Yeah. Open spots. >> Yep. Yeah. So, there's um there's breaks essentially in the vegetation where you
can where you can get down and you know this it'll be willow um Can you define which which are the brakes and which is the >> um Yep. So we've got So there's some areas on the top here. So there's a
break here. There's a break here. So anywhere where you're not seeing those circles which are the shrubs. >> Okay. >> You pretty much have a break where you >> So this whole side >> you have access. >> This whole side is covered >> right there. Okay, got it. So,
>> where's that little shed there? >> Is that the shed? >> Yeah. So, as you go um like where the pavilion is proposed to be, that whole area won't have the shrub plantings on the top right there, right? Is that
the pavilion? >> So, actually this is the pavilion here. >> So, so this to be built >> to be built. Yep. So, this will be Sorry. Yep. So, yeah. So there'll be access really in in all these. >> And this is where that current little shack is, right? Is that what that is?
The current little shack that's out there. >> Is that what that is? >> Looks like it. Yeah. And we could I mean we could when we get out there and actually do the project, we could shift some of these. >> Yeah. Like maybe, you know, a little more area. >> Yep. And then these are going to be little peers so people can go up there
and potentially fish off of them. But >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> What are those peers going to be made of? Cement? >> Um it is. No, they're all wooden. Um there is a lot of wood.
>> Yeah, they're wood with um helical piles. What? It's not >> Oh, I was playing that with water. >> Glass well together. >> The golf
>> the um helical. So they're um metal pilings and then where's the decking? >> The decking's on top. So the decking can be replaced. >> Can you help us? Go ahead. >> No, no, you answer my question. >> Um can you just help us make sure we're all oriented on like the orientation of this of this?
>> Yes. The orientation of this one sheet is different than the other sheets because it wouldn't fit. So it is a little bit >> Where's Where's the road in the current playground? >> Road. >> Oh, parking area. Playground. >> Inlet Brook. wetland kind of bleeds in
here over here. >> This is the the pavilion. This is this is a grassy area. >> Okay. >> So, this is this is North Main. >> You're you're stop and shop. >> So, this is your big shop. I'm >> Okay. Okay. Got it. >> Fitness actually.
>> All right. Got it. Okay. Okay. >> Got it. >> I like that better anyway. >> Okay. That makes more sense now. All right. Where were we? Five. >> Um, okay. Continuing on. Okay. Um, let's see.
Five. Um, so this was about high intensity land uses and I just um did the calculation on the vehicle generation that would determine if it is or isn't and it's it's not close to that. So, just to to check that off that it it wouldn't
count as a level. So, six, um, he's commenting that for him the plans with having the open water and the BBW the same color made it confusing. Um, we didn't revise those. Um, or kind of if you all would like
that to >> I would like it because it's very confusing for me to >> see what's what. So that would be very helpful if we could do that. Yes. >> So we can do that for like a record. >> You see that?
>> I was kind of leaning forward. I didn't know if I was blocking. >> Oh, I wasn't looking at it just now, but I can. Um and so D makes this comment on almost um every project that has storm water because there's really no agency that is
providing proprietary TSS removal rates anymore. So this is just to document that for the file. There's essentially nothing for us to use um other than the the manufacturer of those devices.
Um so that's what we've used here. the underground chambers um and the elicit discharge statement. So I did up upload that. You have a copy in your >> Yeah, we saw that. Yep. >> Okay, so that's all set. Um the on and so um we did revise the O
andM plan with more details for the rain gardens infiltration devices and then there's a log book for each MP and that was included as an attachment enhanced template for the city to use once it gets built.
>> Yeah, I have one for my HOA because um this is D I guess making um a recommendation to you all that you may require ENS controls during CO >> down the bottom.
>> Um I'm on on number 10. Okay. >> So, I'm not really sure what he was getting at here other than I guess, you know, you have the authority over where we utilize erosion and sedimentation controls and that um I think that general conditions
do have, you know, prior to the start that there's clearations of where the work is happening. you'll get a chance to look at the erosion and sedimentation controls and we can make sure that there's, you know, fencing. >> Yeah, I think that's already >> you gonna put them in.
>> Well, I think he's just reiterating that we have the authority to request, >> right? >> I mean, you're dredging the pond. >> Yeah, I know. >> He's referencing the whole project though, right? >> The fields as well. >> They just seem kind of move to me as anything you're that is eroding, you're
dredging actively. >> Yep. Yeah. And I think the general conditions that the commission usually places on projects also take care of a lot of this. So these are um staff comments. Um so I think I already went over uh just
clarifying what the impacts are. Um that should be in the order. And so it's 1,600 linear feet of bank. It's 1,600 square feet of BVW that that's altered and
replicated in kind. And then um pond area is actual the pond will remain unchanged. That was number one. Number two, um this is just about the replication.
So we are requesting the order of conditions for loss of 1,600 ft of BBW with the rep replication at 1 one and it's in the same location that it exists. Yeah.
Um, number three. >> What says 5,000 square ft? >> So you So you as the authority >> Yeah. So you as the authority can allow up to 5,000 square ft of alteration of a BVW. We're only requesting 1,600 square
ft. So, it's within your purview to essentially allow this alteration and replication if you, you know, decide. >> I think Sin was just putting the rule in there. >> He's Yeah, he's like >> I'm actually taking a citation for you.
>> Okay. Um, so 3A is about wetland markers. Um, so we uh didn't add any of these. just thinking about um the future uses that you know clippings and and things like that. It's not like it's a you know residential development where
you may have homeowners dumping stuff into the wetland that this will be managed by the town. >> I want them. >> So I you know I don't think they'd be doing you know >> you would like them. >> I would like them. The other um yeah the the only other point I guess is that there there is a lot of vegetation
already um in areas where people would be getting close to the banks and we added some more which I'll talk about in a minute um kind of near that culvert area. Um but we can certainly put in the demarcation if you would like that.
>> I just I know they do a lot with mowing and >> Where are you thinking though? You thinking up in these areas in these areas or are you thinking where they're installing these these little vegetated wetlands vegetation areas?
>> Wherever there's going to be future mowing or plowing or any sort of >> maintenance of the property is where I'd want to see them. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> Right. I don't I mean they don't need to be everywhere. where there's going to be
future maintenance of the property as far as like you knowing, trimming, plowing, any of that stuff. >> Would these be durable? Like would they >> It's just your standard wetlands markers that are >> they use LA. >> Yeah, like the the the metal What if
they use iron pins, concrete? >> Iron concrete. I mean, the ones at my house are they're the some sort of a pipe filled with concrete. >> That's a lolly. Yeah. >> Okay. Loll. There you go. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So it could be ballards. Sometimes
we've done actual signage with like a blue sign that gives a wetlands >> sometimes we've put stones there. So you know there's kind of that it keeps it kind of natural looking but
>> something flat to the ground so you can go over it with a lawnmower or go up close to it. >> It's aesthetic. I mean I mean I would say definitely aesthetically pleasing. I don't want a bunch of, you know, white post sticking up everywhere like in my backyard. >> Something flat on the ground that's g, you know, depending on the dimensions.
>> You want them to be able to see it because you don't want the point is to keep the mower from going past it. >> Yeah. But you don't want all these obstacles though if you have if you've got, you know, >> it's supposed to be an obstacle to keep them from going past that point. >> Okay, it's fine. >> So, I don't know. Yeah, sometimes there
putting some boulders. >> Currently, they're they're mowing right to the the pond, though. Right. >> Would this just be for the BVW areas and not necessarily the land underwater >> because maybe we could just do that. Put
it where the wetlands are. Not really >> just the wetlands. >> Yeah. And not not nothing around the pond, but just >> two inlets >> around the >> Right. Not necessarily the pond. >> Yep. >> Just around the BBW. >> I don't know if that's a little >> This is the brook that comes in. This is a bleed comes in.
>> Do you want to look at the sheets of the fields, too? Oh, really good idea. >> That's only >> Yeah, we can see the fields. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that might make sense. Maybe along the fields also so people don't, you know, decide to so they actually
know there's something to >> to know that's a >> at least to know it's a wetland. >> Dump dump their trash back there. Yeah. I mean, that Yeah, that'd probably be helpful. Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I can we can do that and I can talk to Bruce about what their maintenance may entail and
>> what it'll look like and where they may get close to the wetland. >> Yeah, that'd be good. >> So, we'll we'll come up with something. >> Are these to be built or is one of these existing? >> Those are we have three fields on there right now? >> Yeah. The one that has So, that one that
one is to be built. This one >> that has Yeah, you can see all the proposed grading on there. >> So, where's the existing over here? >> Is this the existing one or is it the >> existing going to be? >> Oh, that could be the existing
everything is getting reconstructed and resolded and leveled out. >> Yeah, I think that's what it's called. >> Is that field going to get >> right now? There's really only one. >> No, not that one. >> Which one? This one. >> They Yeah, it says it's going to be reconstructed. >> Okay. stabilization seating.
>> I understand. >> So, what were you thinking on the spacing along these areas that >> um >> is there typical >> you suggested 50 ft? >> I think that's typical one. >> Yeah.
>> Right. >> That's Yeah, we can definitely do that. >> Some bob wire up there. Um >> he's just um mentioning about the geese and that the plantings, this is B, that
the plantings we chose were a good choice. Oh, >> to keep the geese back. That's a good thing. >> Um so C, we talked about this last time. Um he's suggesting that there's additional shrub plantings and to
basically create buffers in areas where the BVW is close to where people will be. Um and so we added 15 additional shrubs and more um seating in the area um where the culverts
is um cuz that was really the only place where it was he was mentioning you know within 20 ft of the wetland and that was really the only place. So that's on sheet um 131. >> 131. >> Yeah. So it's right the the field comes up pretty close to that culvert and
there's the walking path across the culvert. >> Yep. So right right there. Yep. That's where we just we added um Yeah, like I said 15 new shrubs and planting around there to keep >> Yes. One people out.
>> Yep. Exactly. Yep. >> Planting >> so that Okay. have to comply with with that and hopefully keep people from walking off the path and venturing down into the the BBW itself. Um so
planting plans, this is this is kind of my own commentary um on things that were discussed during the last meeting and the last hearing. Um so the planting plans are in your packet. Um the things that have been updated are the addition of those 15 shrubs and seating um to get
grasses the area to keep out. Um we updated like I said the bank and restoration areas for the the BVW around the pond and those details are in those sheets as well. Um, so the sediment results, I know we I
think we discussed that last time. Um, because of the dredging, we did sediment sampling in the pond and those didn't come back with any reportable conditions. So that's positive. Um, so it it's not going to be um a controlled
substance for disposal purposes. um the MEPA certificate I know we were waiting on and so it was a single um EIR that was submitted and the certificate was issued for that uh last year and that
was what was in closed. Um and then the there was um you know D didn't write anything about the 401 water quality certificate being in hand prior to closing this out. It's not really necessary but um we are in the process of getting that. So, it's going to be submitted um this month. Um but it does
take around six months to actually get a certificate, but that is the um that should be the last state permit, state level permit that's needed for dredging. So, kind of working our way through all of the permitting and then
basically with all that in hand, I think the, you know, the town's going to look for the money to start implementing these things like the whole master plan is uh set. Oh, >> everything I had
>> questions can question. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Um so, thanks for all those updates. Um when it comes to erosion controls, I think you touched on this already. Um, but I noticed the plans have like an erosion I think there's a note that the
builder will decide on the erosion controls. Um, yeah, I would have I think we typically see specific plans for those. >> Okay. >> So, fences or I mean whatever you whatever.
>> I don't remember what was in detail, but they did give original uh a detail. I think a sock and a silk fence. Yeah, I think we >> Does it name them specific? >> Straw waddles and >> it's in a detail somewhere. He's right. >> Yeah, we usually do straw waddle with silt fence
>> because I think somewhere on one of the >> say something about >> it says builder will use erosion. >> Is that on one of the >> Yeah, on one of the notes. >> Okay. Yeah, that's just one of our typical notes. I think we did call out specifically waddles with sil fence. And then I think that note is for the
contractor to comply with the >> not my sedimentation >> should be on the plan details. I don't think it was it wasn't in the packet. It was in like um plans you have right there. >> It was on the It was in the original set.
>> It's like a Yeah, like you said fence >> probably the last page last couple pages >> and they denoted it like on the plans as like a dash line I believe. Yeah, it says the road can control TYP of details. That one you have your hand
on now. >> Trend. One more. >> Top top left there. >> Oh yeah. Here we go. So tracking pads. Silt pens. bottles inlet protection erosion controls.
>> So this would I mean this will be a construction general permit for the contractor just because this anchor. So they would also be submitting erosion control packet to the engineer for approval. >> Okay. before as well if they wanted to
change anything. But um and just looking at the plans, I there's areas of development that are in in buffer zones that don't mention any erosion controls like like the paths, the 5ft and the 12ft paths. Is there
>> a reason there's nothing >> planned? Um >> as far as do you mean the temporary erosion controls like the beds and stuff? Um, I don't think there's any reason. There should have been erosion control between any work areas and resource areas.
So, I have to look at the original >> Yeah. >> set. So, >> I might have actually Let's see. I think it might be in the original. >> Yeah, that's where that would be. >> I think it was Yeah. Uh, I wanted to give myself
But >> one I was I think I was just looking at the biggest like the furthest. >> Those are the planting data. Okay. like for geographically some other ones caught my eye were like um
>> this was there um okay so we have erosion control all around here it should be the entire perimeter so it's this it's all of this around the pond and then we're
continuing here so it it is on the side of all of the so it would continue here. >> So it's really around every >> so it's sort of it's enveloping everything. >> It is. Yeah. So it's in between every area of work and a BVW.
>> Okay. So like when I'm looking at like work that's in here. >> So it's just shown on this site prep and demolition plan where the erosion controls go. >> Okay. I got a question for you. >> Yeah. So obviously, you know, create so
like what's to stop the soap from going across the underneath under underneath North Main? >> Yep. So >> is this is this the inlet protection which would actually be the outlet? >> Yep. So So basically what's going to happen is we're going to dewater the
whole pond, let the sediment sit there for a little bit water it. um it they'll either take it out of the center of the pond or try and dig a tra a channel to get the deepest part of the pond near the outlet and there'll be sedimentation fences there to try and catch all the
turbidity. Um and then they'll essentially like build up a filter and pump out of that. So it' be stone or something to filter the sediment out. So that's the first deatering phase. And then they'll dudge it with like excavators and everything and bring the
partially dewatered sediment over to the stockpile area on land. And that is um an area that will have um hay bales all around it with um a geoteexile fabric around that. So it the water will
get filtered through that drain back into the pond and from there that'll sit there for a couple of days to get enough water out of it to be able to put it into trucks and take it off site. >> Got it. >> So that's kind of the idea. >> Got it.
>> So and this the um the inlet water these these black lines on the on the plan those will actually be plastic shoots. And the idea there is to get the water in from the two other inlets without picking up a bunch of sediment so that
the water will keep draining from those upland areas and flow down the plastic instead continuing to work pond. >> When is this work going to occur? I don't think there's
>> there's no timeline season. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I haven't talked to Bruce in a while. I don't know what the is if there is anything identified. >> I don't know if you >> haven't heard anything yet.
>> So, I imagine that obviously the on such get through that and kind of figure it out step by step. >> I wanted to ask a question about um about the the multisport fields. Um I I
raised this last time and I um I think we've addressed it, but I think you said that the plan was just to use a standard sort of fivestage um you know a fivestage fertilizing process maybe. >> Okay. Uh Bruce might have been talking
about that. I'm not as familiar with that so I might not be able to answer your question. >> Okay. Um I I my point or my thinking about it was you know with these fields sort of you know in a lot of buffer zone and almost right up to the wetlands in one spot. I would personally like to um see
whoever's you know responsible for maintaining that um have a plan that's more specific to the sensitivity of the area than just um a standard turf um you know service that that they would do
anywhere. And that especially when it comes to leaving space around perhaps the fertilized areas um you know doing soil testing that's more bespoke for the area so that they're not overloading it
>> with with you know the main chemicals that go into fertilizers. Um those kinds of things. Um >> I thought he was using I thought the town was using some safe uh fertilizers. I don't remember. >> I know we touched >> Well, yeah, we just I just don't know.
Um, so I I would like to see something in >> Yeah, I'd want to see it in a plan, too. What their plan I can't remember. Um, and and I don't know what the standard if there's if there's a a typical way to be sensitive to that um when you're putting turf in in buffer zones, but
>> because we definitely don't want the bid that out. >> Sorry. Isn't it bidded out right now? He puts it out for bid on all the fields. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I >> town personally does it himself themselves. I think it's >> I know to a contract contracted out.
>> So to be clear, you're asking for more information on a fertilizer plan for the fields. >> Yeah. and how to what kind of to >> I'll email this to you too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And how to keep it from getting too much of that stuff into the wetlands. >> Mhm. Okay.
>> Yeah. >> I'm good. I'm good. >> You want me to read off what I have for changes requested to make sure we have everything you want? So, I have um revised BVW and open water uh coloring to make it a different color so
it's less confusing. Um wetlands monu monuments 50 ft apart. Um and then the fertilizer the more detailed fertilizer plan for the fields. You have anything else? anything. >> Yeah, you can. Yeah, it's
>> always whispering. Stop it. >> Does anyone else that's here in the audience have questions about this project while we're discussing it? It's a public hearing, so >> Okay, great. We we don't know.
>> You just have to state your name. >> I'm sorry. Denise. I'm the behind the >> Okay. Yeah, we don't have a date because they're still they're doing still doing permitting and they're still figuring out the finances. So, we don't have a date yet. I'm sure as soon as it's decided, it
will be publicly announced because it'll be major project. Um >> about to go through planning board, too. >> The plan has to go through the planning board still. So I think um but other than that we yeah we don't know a date yet >> unfortunately. >> So your group basically talks about the
land use and the fertilizer ecology of it and the planning board will talk about use of the park's going in the park. >> I don't know for a fact it has to go to the planning board. Um I think it might just because of the parking count.
>> Uh I'm not but I don't I don't know for sure. Um but if it does they would talk about yeah the like the phases of construction and the parking etc. But I again I don't know for sure that it even goes to planning board. >> Yeah. All all we're all we're concerned about here is um the
>> the dredging of the pond the wetlands is how it's going to affect the wetlands um and how the field will affect the wetlands and maintenance and construction of those. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Of course. Absolutely. >> So do we need a motion to continue? >> Yeah. um these changes
>> for the changes. Uh do you think end of the month or do you want to go into February? What do you think? >> Yeah. No, we can get these turned around pretty quick. Yeah. >> Okay. So, what do we have? >> You think do you think Bruce can get us the fertilizer plan though? >> You actually want the fertilizer plan ahead of everything. Um
>> we can do the 28th or we can go to February 11th. >> Yeah. Um, is that something that could be conditioned or you because this is so early on. I don't know that he's gonna that's probably something that he would get a consultant to like write for him,
but I don't know that he's going to want to do that. Not even knowing, you know, if the construction >> I mean, we could Can we put that as a special condition? >> Make it a special condition. >> Okay. Yeah. It's not Yeah, we can make that a special condition that it has to be forward. Can we construct it? >> That would be better. >> Yeah, we can do that. Sure.
>> Cuz I I think he can do it. I just Yeah. >> Okay. kind of. >> Yeah, of course. No. Yep. As long as he's aware of the of the ask and that it'll be required before and that when we do vote it'll be in the order conditions. >> I think that makes sense. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> We're looking for the ingredients.
>> So, their next meeting is the 28th of January or we can go to 11th easier for you >> because Yeah. So, he'd have to call. >> Um I think the 28th >> I think it's on a is it a yearly contract? >> Did a bid go out every spring or >> I that I don't know. That means I would
have to get you stuff by >> just a week in advance. >> A week in advance. >> Maybe we should just push it >> the 11th. >> The 11th by >> Do we need to close the public? >> No, you just continue. You're continuing the public hearing to uh February 11th.
>> Okay. I have motion to continue the public hearing for NY-2025-03 to February 11th, 2026 meeting of the conservation commission. >> All those in favor? >> I passes. Great. >> Thank you very much.
>> Great. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Project monitor. Yes. >> Does anybody know if they put a when they going to put the new covert underneath there? >> That area where it leaves heritage and it goes behind here.
>> You mean off North Main Street? >> Right. Right under right under North Main Street's leaving the pond like you part of the Isn't that part of the um >> I didn't know if they repaired it or they're putting >> They might That's going to be a different project. I think >> they repaired They did repair. >> Oh, yeah. They did. Yeah, they did a
head wall to the head wall. Yeah, they did the damn part and they because when it was dry they took it out. >> They went down there and I know they were having a trouble some years ago opening the wheel. >> They did a head wall repair. Was any other repair? I don't know anything about it just yet >> cuz I know the road is supposed to be
rebuilt this year. >> That's I don't know question. >> There's a there's a plan, but I don't know when it's supposed to hit. >> Moving forward. >> Yep. >> 383 road restoration plan.
This. So, this is our amazing YouTube. >> Yeah. I looked at it and it didn't it didn't >> not much >> bad. I mean, it's you just got to fix what >> adding to the area. They're not taking
away the stuff >> that's there now. Hand restoration. >> Yep. basically saying that the actual location of each plant is going to be or the uh >> the specialist
which I'm fine with. >> I think would be good to just reaffirm with them to keep us updated on like when things are starting and >> so we can go check it out. >> Yeah. to have a timeline.
>> And it says spring, but I mean obviously we all know that that can mean March or April, sometimes May. >> Yeah, I think they did a good did a good job with this. >> Yeah, it's great. It's nice.
Do we need to send them anything? Like it's a do we need to vote on it or don't need to vote because we're not closing anything out? But um I as long as everybody is happy with it, we'll >> just let them know that it's know that we're that >> good to go and >> no changes. >> Yeah. And just let us know when they
when they start so we can go take a look at it. I think we're >> good. Wetlands project mannering wetlands violation at 172 Funwood Drive. This is an interesting one.
>> Civil Park is separate. >> Yep. I'm not bringing that up. Um the the track you see in the pictures was already moved. Um it's over back by the the garage or shed >> by like the house.
>> It's by the house now. So it's not out to anyone that used it as soon as um they were notified that it's not supposed to be there. Um there's not a ton. I think I think it's more of a if there was anything going on out
there, they just stop what they were doing and don't do anymore. >> Right. There's brush brush piles. Um the the end of their maintained lawn is where it starts. It's our town conservation land. And so there's brush piles. There's trails there. >> Yeah.
>> And a hunting stand. Well, >> is there I know you were talking about um putting signage up on areas like this right on the border where it's >> at the entrance at at the entrance because there's that to the right of it.
We would put something there to just say conservation land. >> Do we have Do we have any signs left over? >> We have some no hunting signs. We don't have anything else left over yet. >> Yeah, that's not going to really help us. >> Okay. >> Was there any >> trespassing? Oh, you can't put that either. >> Was there any need to be repaired?
>> No way. >> It's a funky piece of property. >> I think everyone's >> I think it's for years. >> Yeah, I think tell them it's no more. >> No, I do it. leave it, you know, leave it as is. And if we have signs that we
can put up at the entrance just saying it's conservation area, I think that's >> on the border. I mean, that was the only problem we had, right? Instead of going all the way down, >> putting one behind each uh lot >> that's something that we could Yeah, we could consider cuz I also like I know
that um internally in the background, we're also looking at just like developing some of these trails for recreational use. Right now they're mostly maintained by neighborhoods. They don't have any signs etc. >> Um and so with that would come more
signage too. Um >> I don't know like with this project with this uh here I mean they yeah they moved the vehicles. There's still just brush piles um in a trail. I don't know if you want them to move the brush brush piles or if you just
want them to close the trail. Uh, one way we used I've closed trails on the other side of the state is typically just taking limbs and just dragging them over the trail. Um, >> so the trail,
>> right? Yeah, that one. >> The trail is inside the conservation area >> and in the wetland. It's not even in a buffer, >> right? I mean, >> and that doesn't require restoration. >> It can. It's up to you. I think we should invite them in if we're gonna >> Yeah. >> have further talks with that though.
>> I think if we off the trail so they don't drive >> into it anymore. I think is >> a roll of can of water. Oh, >> stop the problem. >> My only concern is if we keep the trails open, it's tempting for people some
someone to go back in. And >> I think it's just blocking it from their backyard to the trail so they don't drive their equipment up. >> Yeah. I mean, that's really all we're >> trail out this backyard. I mean, if you go to the end of that street, there's >> Yeah. >> The DPW's got to have access to that area because there's sewer lines and
>> Right. >> back there. >> I think it's more to just keep whatever tractors and equipment he has from being driven back there. There are they have again I don't know what you if there's anything you want to do about the brush piles but they do have the brush piles
then you could have them move from the brush piles some of that stuff cover the trail to close it off and it'll eventually grow on its own or additional I just think if you want to ask for more which certainly can uh but that we should invite them in that discussion because we've already have a dialogue
we've met with them etc we should have them in for We have a lot of conservation land in this town. >> Who's trees stand? We make we start one place. We got to >> we don't we don't know. >> I don't know officially, but um we'll have the DPW remove it. That's how we did it last time.
>> They're not allowed on >> Yeah, there's no hunting anywhere >> on town conservation. They can truck through, but >> you can't hunt on town property. has to be >> for permission. Is it worth having some notice in the reminder some things that
people claim conservation land the dos and don'ts and I don't know I mean it's >> we could we have we have funds to pay for it. >> It might be more effective to put something on the website though. >> There you go. >> Or could we do both? >> Yeah. Let me
It'll take some time but yeah we can absolutely. um >> or is it something where we do an actual mailing >> so >> to residents? >> I I've updated you on this in the past, but um that was a while ago now is uh last year, I think late spring, I came
out with like this pamphlet that's like a living in a wetlands buffer. So that way when we like anytime we ever came up with somebody that needed hazard tree removed or had a minor infraction that we didn't like feel an enforcement order was fit for, I would give them this like little pamphlet and it just tells them like what the realities of living in a
wetlands buffer is and what they need to do, what they can do with no permits, etc. Right. >> So that way to prevent this from happening in the future so that we actually we could put that on the website. That's a great idea. >> Yeah, let's do that. >> And then we could look at more. Yeah, I can I can draft some stuff up. >> Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, >> I think a lot of people unfortunately in
town, I mean a good majority live in wetlands and they probably don't even realize it. >> I know when uh spotted lantern fly uh first started showing up here. I think it was like two years ago now. That's time flies. Um I had it on our website and I had it on the like there's like a
news flash on like the main page. We could >> do that >> that there as well. It stays there for like a few days. So >> that'd be cool. >> Right. Right. Draft something for your approval. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sweet. Thanks, Alex. >> Okay, so where are we at with this
project with 172? What are we? >> I mean, I think if DPW removes the stand because that's our it's metal property. >> And I mean, unless you guys feel differently, I think just having them use some branches to block access to the
trail so that no one drives equipment back there. >> There you go. >> Is I think that's sufficient. >> Mhm. I mean, they can use fallen limbs. They can use the brush piles, what whatever. Okay. It It doesn't. >> So, you don't you want you don't want them to do anything with the brush to outright remove them. They can they can
use it to block the >> Okay. >> Do you want them to remove anything left over or do you I just want to make sure I'm clear with what I'm telling them. >> I don't know. I don't I don't think they need to. Do you? >> I don't think they need to remove anything. >> Habitat anyway cuz it decomposes. So, >> I'm just worried that if moving the
brush to the trail isn't going to keep many people like keep them off of it. >> It's only to keep them from driving equipment down the trail. >> Yeah. You could People are allowed conservation. They just can't. >> Is this one of the main entrances in there? >> No, it comes off their backyard. >> Comes right off the backyard. >> Okay.
>> Entrance is to the >> to the right. To the right. Yes. >> And people use it all the time. So, we good. Other business, planning and community
development department staff report. One second. Well, actually, you know what? There isn't there isn't one aside from just uh Zero Prospect that Eversource Easement Property. I haven't heard anything from them. I don't know where they're at, but they are scheduled
for our meeting on the 28th. Um, so we'll see where that goes. >> Reach out to them and ask them if they have an update and they want to be on the meeting or if we need to just continue. >> I think next week I should like maybe uh Tuesday, not Monday.
I'll reach out to them and uh other than that, the only other big thing is 30 Vineland. >> Oh yes. >> We went to that's going to be on that agenda. Okay. >> Yeah. Cool.
Cool. >> Adjournment. I will >> obtain a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> You have to make the motion. I can't. >> Make a motion to uh adjourn at 6:56.
>> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. I