We will call the bylaw review committee meeting to order of on January 15th at 6:01. Uh this meeting is being recorded by LCAT. If there's anyone else recording the meeting, please state your name. Hearing none, let's get started. Uh
cleaning up some of our things that we've skipped over. We're going to look back to chapter 115, which Ralph graciously volunteered or got volunttoled to to take a a sharp look
at. And so I uh printed out for everyone a table of contents. Um came to my knowledge that that wasn't included in anyone's packets. So that when I was referring to, you know, stuff saying
article one or part one that you guys had no clue what I was talking about. >> Um >> so [snorts] I think on chapter 115 um what part of my concern was is um the organization of the different departments in it. So, we have a
planning and community development department and within that department you have the planning department, the building department, um you [snorts] have local inspectors in the building department and stuff. So, I was trying to figure a way to um set that up. And
so what I did is I referred back to the table of contents. And if you look under um part two departments, um number 97 is municipal finances. [snorts] >> And the way that's broken down is part
one, the municipal [snorts] finance department, part two is the accountant, part three is the collector, >> and then the very next one you get to 115. They don't break it down at all. >> Correct. >> Mhm. So, [snorts] what I'd like to see is a little change to chapter 97, which
we'll go back and talk to. >> But under chapter 115, [snorts] um, what I would suggest is we say part one. So, chapter 115 is the planning and community development department. >> Part one is the planning and community
development department. It'll be listed under there. Department head, composition, duties. >> So, is this a new page, Ralph? that it's modernizing that page. So, I broke it down. >> I don't have that page. >> I Well, I have don't have the top part
of the page. I just have I should start out with >> Yeah. >> Okay. Go ahead, Ralph. I can see it up here. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. So, [snorts] my suggestion would be to say, you know, part one and have the departments as the part. [snorts] >> Mhm. >> So, part two, I would go down to the
building department. So part two, article one would be um the building commissioner [snorts] >> and list his jobs. Article two would be local inspectors. >> Um and that way there the articles are subdivisions of
>> the parts. [clears throat] Um you know then once we go to uh part three would be the planning department, article one would be planning department, [snorts] article two conservation commission, article three the zoning board of appeals. So I hand
wrote it out and the only reason I did that is >> I don't have the ability to switch from a PDF to a word document. [snorts] I'm too cheap to pay for that. >> Um but that was my thought. Then I think
the other ones like uh chapter 97 should pretty [snorts] much mirror it. >> Um >> so do we want to call that parts instead of articles just cuz the like the next higher level like part three multiple member bodies is also
part. So they have parts at two different [snorts] hierarchy levels >> and that's exactly what the table of contents is listed and that's why it's so in one under department 69 they had
two articles under it and then under 97 they switched them into [snorts] parts. So it's like >> so we want to switch that to articles. So you want to keep everything here is we have subdivisions under the parts, [snorts] >> right? >> And that's why I was thinking of making
those articles, >> right? To keep everything consistent >> and that's what my thought was. >> In 78 it says article one. He's saying the same thing, right? Uh number number 69, article one, article two. You want to keep things consistent with the use of the word article.
>> Well, I'm just saying the next level up are also called parts. So now we have parts. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe in here under the table of contents, instead of calling it [snorts] part one administrative, say section one administrative, section two department. >> That makes more sense.
>> Section three multiple member bodies. >> Yeah. >> And that would just be changing the table of contents then. >> So, so substitute section for the word part. >> That's only >> so the that's the top level. So, like the
>> Yeah. Part one will be section one >> administrative. Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Then part two departments would be section two. [clears throat] >> [snorts] >> part three multiple member bars would be
section three and the same for four [snorts] and five schedule >> and then the rules and regulations that's >> that's division two it's saying >> yeah that's an appendex Actually,
so [snorts] the rules and regulations are completely separate. Um, >> why is it division two? Oh, division one is the bylaws. I see. Okay. >> Okay. [snorts] So, so we're staying consistent then.
>> Yep. >> Division one part three. So, we're going to [clears throat] change this to section. >> Oh, you got to change. Oh my god. How you going to do that? There's surprisingly not a lot. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. There's actually only one
reference in the text. [snorts] >> That's pretty good. [laughter] >> Cuz that's what I was calling. >> Yeah, that's why we did it this way. [clears throat and cough] >> Jackie Sullivan. >> Yes. >> Excellent. Good work. [snorts] And then
who slips? Is it Cindy? Cindy is gonna do um >> Jackie Jackie and Amanda will slide to Cindy >> that I don't know you know >> too far ahead. [snorts] >> Yeah I um and like I said Ryan you can have this
unless you want to just change it now whatever. >> Uh yeah I've just been changing it one on on the fly here. >> Yeah I think best yeah do it all now. So Why? Cuz we originally said we were going to delete article one. [snorts]
>> I think our thought on that was the planning community is like the overarch. >> Yeah, exactly. [snorts] So this is the planning and community development department, but under the department you still have to have a department head um or you still have to have the
information related to it. Mhm. >> And I think the original thought was, hey, let's get rid of these articles and we'll just put it all together and all. And that's when we finally just went I said, you know what? Let me take it and see if I can figure >> it.
I don't care. Well, probably should. >> It's the is it capital and >> finance? >> No, it's lower case. >> Well, we're getting to that. >> Okay. [laughter] >> So, so I'm going to jump to um number 97,
municipal finances. Um so, municipal finances in itself is not a department. >> Okay, >> we have a municipal finance department. Um, so my thought is 97 the heading should be municipal finance
department >> and then break it down under part one municipal finance department department head composition duties and responsibilities. Then part two, um, article one would be town
accountant, theirs. Article two would be town audits. Um, article three would be revolving funds. Article four would be enterprise funds. And I'll just show you how I did it. >> Yeah, it's a little different than what we have here now. >> Exactly.
So, so municipal finances add the word department. You're saying >> municipal finance department. >> Department. Got to add the word department. Okay. Okay. >> [snorts] >> And then >> and then this part one three four change completely part one would be municipal finance department. >> Got it.
>> Is that a part one or article one? I thought we're going to stay consistent with the word article. >> We are. So it's actually part one. >> Okay. >> Because we [clears throat] changed chapter 115. >> Mhm. >> Um so it would be part one municipal finance department. >> Got it.
>> And article one department of that would be Tower account will change to town audits. >> No, let me go through. Um, [snorts] >> yeah, what's listed as part two right now is town accountant, >> right?
>> Um, and that's up here. So, part two would be the town accountant. I don't understand. >> Yeah. Why isn't Why was article two down to that? >> Yeah. So, part two would be town accountant. >> Got it. Y >> and their duties. Then article two,
you know, we just removed this. Article two, it >> there's a part. >> This is article one, >> town accountant. >> Article two, town audits. Article three, revolving fund. [snorts]
>> We're just moving everything up. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, we really haven't changed anything. It's just the wording. um and just recharacterizing as far as from part one to part two. Um so what I've
tried to do is um the departments or the uh collector treasurer and all that would be a part and then anything subdivided under that would be an article >> and actually I don't know if there's really [snorts]
>> under accountant there's article one two three because there's multiple things under >> the town accountant. Do we need to list all of those or do can we just stay with the parts >> for under the Tom accountant one?
There'll be articles cuz they fall under that part. >> Right. Correct. Do we have [clears throat] to list them in the table of contents? I'm asking. >> Um I don't think so. >> I don't think so. >> We don't have to. I mean it would be nice but I mean it also be nice if this document was linked the way it's supposed to be linked.
>> [snorts] >> But under the table of contents, we're in departments >> cuz we do list articles in other departments. That's what I'm saying. Look at number 69. >> Yeah. Well, that's another one I'm going to address. >> 78. >> I think uh number 69, emergency
services. We don't have an emergency services department. We have a police department. We have a fire department. Right. >> And I would list those two separately >> because the category is departments. >> Mhm. So, can we go back to 97 just so we can get this? >> Yeah. Yeah, let's let's clean that up
and then Yeah. [snorts] >> So, you want to make this part Oh, it's already part one. [snorts] >> Yeah. Seems like a lot of And all I'm trying to do is get the table of contents to match the articles. And I'd like it so that when you look at
the table of contents, of course, not many people have the book, but when you look in there, if you want police, oh, we're in departments. P police. >> Yeah. No, no, I think >> I don't think about going to emergency services when I'm looking for police.
>> Police department. Yeah, [snorts] >> you can have that, too. >> Yeah. Take it away. Nice. I always share. >> While Ryan's doing that, how are we going to present this to the town council? >> It got voted down last meeting.
>> Here you go. >> Last [laughter] ballot. >> No, that actually I'm glad you mentioned that. >> No one No, no one. >> Would you put that back on the ballot this year? >> Yeah, but no one understood. No one understood that. >> It's going to take more marketing and
>> No, that's that was legal. Truthfully, it's because our Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. I know I'm on camera. Our town attorney wrote the language. >> Exactly. >> And again, you could see it was legal language and they handed it to me and I went, >> what does that say?
>> And I I was the one leading the charger. I'm like, I don't even understand this. And [snorts] >> I did because I was on this committee, but if I was not on the committee, >> right? Um, [snorts] >> so for uh treasure collector, this would be article one, wouldn't it? Because
it's under part three. [snorts] >> Doing okay. >> Doing okay. >> So part three is collector treasurer >> which is the same >> beautiful >> same thing. >> Yes. But I look at like So for part two
we did the article article one for town >> but there's no article two >> oh because there's no further division >> right so part three is just there's no further >> division of it >> so delete both those lines you think >> they state north end >> so this would be article four enterprise funds which goes under
>> that facility is really nice >> um >> but that's a really nice facility they have the cardia >> my dad was [snorts] treasured for like dietary help but now for a ton of help there >> because that's
[snorts] part >> um sorry >> change God we just talked about a charter question and all last night because whatever language has to be in by March so
wow It's going to be here before you know it. Uh, >> it is middle of January. >> I'm going to forget that. >> I don't. >> Yeah. And then it's just as we go through.
>> Yeah. I'll let him catch up. He's doing a lot better than I was. Yeah. I went on I tried to download it and then I tried to convert it and it converted some and not others and then it changed the locations and all and I
went how if I just write it on paper. >> Well, Mark, what what website do you want with all this? What the t the >> I just got the PDF version of it >> and then yeah, just basically use that. I I work for like a cloud file server
company and so I have it in like I get a personal account through that. So I can basically do all like the PDF annotations and stuff like through that. [snorts] >> Yeah. Because we will have to bring a ballot question. Yeah. >> Back for a charter change >> allowing us to do multiple changes at
one time. Um, >> that's the wording we need just like that to [snorts] present multiple changes meeting at the town council. >> But I but I want people to understand that I mean if it's something that is um
extremely important, you know, some type of change that we're going to hold a separate um meeting on it >> um public hearing to talk about that and come on in and tell us tell us what your thoughts and all are. But most of this stuff is
>> the clerical thing more than anything. >> Yeah. >> I mean, can can we do it like we used to do at town meeting where it's >> like a summary agenda, >> the appropriations and then you go, okay, does anybody object to a particular line item? And then you take that one out.
>> Oh, I see that the roll call. Yeah. >> I mean, it's going to be very much like what we did the e-code. >> Okay. >> Um same same language basically as the e-code. It's just going to say, "Hey, every 10 years when we have to do this, >> yeah,
>> then we have the option to do it." >> Yeah. [snorts] >> And when we did e-code, I don't know what I was thinking. I would have suggested to attorney Lavine, >> hey, we're going to be running into this every 10 years. Why don't we >> um >> make make it permanent? Yeah.
>> Right. >> Yeah. >> Chips and emergency services. [clears throat] So, it would be my suggestion to um remove that as a department because emergency services isn't and make the
police department um hold on. Um, so if we go by uh alphabetical, the fire department I would suggest is number 69 instead of the emergency services and then put police under 117
>> which would fall under the P >> O, >> right? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> And the language can stay the same. I think we've already been through the language with the police and the fire, >> right? It's just
changing it in the table of contents basically. What I do look at >> 117 >> 117 >> and that way there it still gives us one up and down from it. We got rec code to actually get that
work done. [clears throat] P would go to state 69. My friend under chapter 78. If you want to pull it up, did we remove the article one?
Yes. Okay. I didn't do that on my table of contents. I'm looking on my >> Yeah. >> Article one. Okay. >> Did a lot of goodies. That's pretty much I had
emergency services break municipal planning different articles. >> How do we make a motion to adopt all that? >> Just like what you just did [laughter] what was just said. Is that your motion?
>> Yeah, that would be my second. I guess the motion was to revise the table of contents >> as discussed >> and related articles as discussed. >> Do second. >> Second. >> Move and second. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. >> Any opposed? None. Any abstensions? None. The recommendation carries. [clears throat and cough] So I think I brought this up before under hawkers and peddlers which is >> we did discuss that
>> 42. >> We did discuss that. I remember >> 15 >> that the inspector of weights and measures can request to see permits from hawkers and peddlers. >> That's aware.
So, um, under, um, section 342 is hawkers and peddlers. >> I don't know if it says it in there, but >> yeah, it's not in there. It might be under that. I think it's under that that inspector one.
>> Yeah, maybe under Yeah, there 158. [clears throat] It just blows my mind. Um, why I guess is [laughter] do we really in I don't even know if our
town manager know who's knows who's the weights and measures person. I don't I couldn't tell you. I've never met him. >> Who should it go under? And do you ask for I just again I thought that was something that popped in that I was like
say what >> I just >> Well, this looks like it's it's it's state law. >> Okay, >> it very well could be. I just >> as prescribed by the state director of standards >> blows my mind. I
So I'm assuming that uh because we've uh put our police department um we've also given them um the ability to go out and look at permits and stuff that they would also be able to. And if that's the case and
they can enforce the bylaws, then that's fine. But I I just I don't see our weights and measures guy walking around on the Fourth of July parade. um checking hawkers and peddlers licenses. I just don't see it. Um I bet
you if he did, he would probably find quite a few that don't have the permits. >> Yeah, probably. >> Oh, we're both going to have license section 22. >> Who's deputy director? >> Can I be at the state level?
[clears throat and cough] It says it should be local as it's made by the city by the mayor and city council on the town by the board of selectmen. >> I mean I don't think it's anything major. I just >> we might as well clean it up. Well, I was just surprised and I didn't I I
don't know if there's a way to clean it up or you just say, "Well, if the weights and measures guys out there and he sees someone hawking or pedaling, then he can ask to see their permanent." >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Well, it depends on what they're pedalling. If they're pedaling something
that's weighed or measured, okay? You know, like you hot dog stand or whatever, you know, >> not a third pound dog. [snorts] >> [laughter] >> Is this a foot long action? >> So, I will say the only time I ever met anyone from Weights and Measures was
when I was a young kid selling vegetables on in front of my grandfather's house on Elm Street and he stopped and charged me 20 bucks to zero off my scale. >> Yeah. >> Did that radicalize you as a young kid?
>> [laughter] >> I can't wait to be on the console. >> Well, I think the entire day I think I brought in $25 and he came and took 20 of it. I wasn't too happy. I can tell you that. But [snorts] I think the funny part was when you sell
tomatoes by the pound, you put it on there and you're like, "Oh, it doesn't reach a pound." And you keep putting them on until it's four or five pounds and go, "There you go. This is old. >> [snorts] >> Moren hasn't been here in how long. >> I just saw Moren
through the building department. I don't know. Health department maybe. It's >> in the planning and community development. >> Yeah. >> I would have to say if someone called me and said, "Who is it and where where can
I talk to?" I wouldn't be able to answer. >> All you got to do is put the gas pump and say, "Yeah, >> and you'll see his name on it." Yes. probably. >> I mean, I I used to know the one that was previous to this guy. The one he was
the sealer for a long long time, >> but he retired. I don't know. >> Maybe it just means that he's doing his job so well that no one sees him knows of him. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. Huh? >> [cough] [clears throat]
>> So again, it was just something I I saw there and I just didn't understand. >> Not that I think we really deal with a lot with walkers and peddlers, but So at this time, Ryan, is there any categories that we marked that we need
to go back and nail down? I think we had asked Tammy for some clarification. >> Yeah. So, so big picture of this. I mean, where are we? In other words, we have we're done with this. >> I think so. Okay.
>> Okay. And now we're moving to the zoning. >> Um, not yet. >> No, no, no. I'm just asking. >> Yeah. No. I think what we need to do is check with the departments, >> right? Clean everything up. >> Clean everything up. get the generals all done the way we want so that we can
turn those in. >> Got it. >> And just say, "Okay, those are completely done. This is what our recommendation is." >> Okay. >> And then see where we're at. Um >> Okay. >> I think we should really see if um the
director of planning would come in and speak with us. That would be good because I think what's happening with zoning is we may be getting someone some help. Obviously, we [snorts] got some information that's coming back to us in
March. Um, deliverables from them. Um, >> and I think at that time we need to compile and figure out, okay, which direction are we heading in with zoning bylaws. >> Um, as George knows, zoning is difficult.
you change one little thing. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's a ripple effect down the road. And >> um and we've seen that we we made changes through our last director uh um Bailey. >> Yeah. >> And
whether we caught it or not, all of a sudden we're finding out that well, we actually changed this even though we didn't think we did. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. So, did you say we finished everything up until the general bylaw as well?
>> So, the general bylaws I think we've pretty much gone through, >> right? >> Oh, wow. >> Did you miss chapters? >> I mean, I was I missed two meetings in November. >> Okay. >> So, I I didn't know like the storm land storm water disposal, all that stuff.
Not that I read any of that, but I didn't know. I was trying to go through. So, we did get >> because I felt like we had a ways to go after >> the last meeting I was at was the presentation from the
>> Y. >> So, one thing we did get through I think was Felix is um rules and regulations governing [clears throat] the public water supply and he was looking at adding that into the general bylaws. >> Yeah, >> I guess we didn't have that. It would be
my suggestion that if we were going to do that, this would have to go in front of the town council. I would rather see this as an appendix to it as under rules and regulations of that department. And the reason being is
if any changes need to be done on the fly, >> it's easier to change rules and regulations than it is to change bylaws. I have D for 3.95 solid waste and we put that on hold. Is
that true? 395. I have a big hold. Something that is my I think Bruce was supposed to get back to something there. Oh, that's Psalm one. That's Psalm water. Excuse me. >> Reassigning some things to Tammy. Never
heard back. >> Was scir. Yeah, that was >> Bruce was supposed to get back to us on that. I think >> Yeah, [clears throat and cough] the solid waste. >> Yeah, I have a hole, but maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong there. >> No, I know there was a few that we said,
"Hey, can we have so and so look at >> Bruce is going to look at the storm water." >> Yeah. >> So, he's been out though, >> right? He's been out. >> He came back. This his first week back. >> Beautiful. >> And now's the time to hit him now. >> [laughter] >> The strong board is is highly technical
and it's really >> determined by what the >> um a lot of it but not all of it. >> Not all of it. a lot of it >> because when we did ecode, there was stuff in that that we actually um I
talked to Tom about at the time and we removed some of the wording >> that had been added in that. >> Oh, it looks like Bruce did cuz he added some things. [clears throat] >> I don't they have that hole, but I don't All I have here down is something to do with the lettering. I don't know. Maybe
did nothing there. you're talking about for solid waste. >> Yeah. So, in solid waste, we asked Tammy to uh review some things like there's no listed regulations on the website for dumping and disposal.
>> Mhm. >> And we asked her, do we need to address illegal dumping? There doesn't seem to be anything in our bylaws to address illegal dumping. Those are the two things from that section that we asked her. >> And I apologize. Tammy is >> the health director.
>> Health director. Thank you. >> Yeah, that was when they don't have any regulations for that. Yeah. >> So, when are we is our wrap-up date? >> Say it again. >> When's like our wrap up date that we have to have everything done by whenever we finish.
>> I thought you said March. >> I know. It's I think it's March that we're supposed to, but again, that also included the zoning, which there's just no possibility. >> No, meet every night. >> Um,
so based on what Tammy comes back with, what I would suggest is that somewhere within our bylaws or our fee schedule, >> um, somehow we address illegal dumping. >> Yeah. as um >> just recently I drove down Denlow Road
and I saw someone's couch and living room set on the side of the road. >> Really? >> Now, [snorts] I'm certain that they just set it there and they're going to come back and remove it, but >> yeah. [snorts] >> And and this is something that I've talked to uh the health department about
and I said I've seen an uptick in illegal dumping. Um and it's not just here. I mean, I take care of properties in Springfield and all and they'll drive behind someone's building and just dump a whole truckload and drive away >> and we have [clears throat] different uh
>> farmland and stuff like that >> that they've literally just driven in and they'll dump a load of shingles or something and chum they're gone because >> down in Deer Park they do it all the time. >> Deer Park at the end of Deer Park it is constant >> constant. Now, I don't know since um
Thermats have started developing it and stuff if it's if it's better, >> but even with cameras, I mean, they were in and out so quick. >> Yeah. >> It just it's atrocious. And I I just think if we have a fine, I know Holy
Oaks, uh $500 plus you have to remove it. So, um and that would also include, you know, stores and stuff. A lot of them have their own dumpster, right? >> And all of a sudden, people show up, they open it up, and they start throwing
their carpets and everything in it. It's like, "What are you doing? >> I'm paying for that dumpster, and you're dumping illegally." And >> um I just think that would be a benefit to the town. >> So, we have to get some feedback from
Tammy. Is that correct? >> What Who else is out there, Orion? As far as feedback goes, >> uh [clears throat] Tom responded to a bunch of them. Uh Bruce responded to some. So, let's go. Let's just go through our list here.
>> So, I know one of them was town attorney because the hiring practices and all that it outlines, we just don't use anymore. I mean that the old town attorney when this was written was basically you contract with someone [snorts] uh for a
full year and for x amount of dollars they show up at all these meetings and this and that. Well, >> now it's an hourly rate and you only ask them to be there when you need them. >> When you have to have them. >> Yeah. >> So, in animal control, we have some responses from Tammy. >> Okay.
>> Uh >> [snorts] >> Uh so impounding owner of Cuban bur of such animals. Bless you. >> Thank you. >> A period of 10 days within which to recover such animals >> should be seven. >> Okay. >> I like the fact that she uh quoted the
master general law too with it. Should we put that in there? >> Um, I don't think it need Well, no, but I don't think it needs to be >> that also. Again, you have to change after seven. >> Yeah. [cough and clears throat]
>> Yeah. We should just go down that right hand column there uh Ryan and just see what where we at with all those comments and >> uh so Bruce added this section in storm water under rates under section one
>> added purpose This gets you in the office early, huh? 6:11 a.m. 6:38 a.m. 6:56. >> Get things done and not get bothered. >> Yeah. Yeah. We have 299 updates.
Wow. >> In position of fee. That's 299 pages. [clears throat and cough] We have like 700 updates. Yeah, I was going to say [snorts] >> so town as established and in the
department of public works master billing table. Um should that be as listed under the fee schedule as listed in section >> 500? >> Section part.
>> Wow. how to do that [clears throat] >> because what we do is we take their um recommendations and we put it into that fee schedule. What we're trying to do is get the fee schedule in here so that everything is in it. >> So if you want to know what something's
going to cost, you flip through and you got your menu right there. >> Right. >> Uh he added additional land use codes. Good wick charge. >> What with the farms? >> Farms, mixed use golf courses, mixed
residential towers, vacant industrial. [clears throat] >> Wow. Vacant industrial land. Yeah. >> No, those were although I don't know if they were in this or in the fee schedule that I've
been dealing with. What's LU stand for? >> Land use code. >> He added what? >> Added um under exemptions added roof gutters. I don't think he reviewed storm water.
I see any changes. Oh, yeah, he did. So >> Chris Beer, we asked him about fines for false alarms. [clears throat] He said yes, it's still relevant. >> I just saying sorry. [clears throat]
Sorry. >> Oh, cuz I think it took him a while to get back. >> Ah, that took him less than a week. That's not bad. [snorts] So, all of those uh land use codes that Bruce added are actually already listed under our fee schedule.
>> Really? >> They probably just weren't in >> Yeah. >> the bylaw portion. >> Uh William Ley from Housing Authority reviewed it marked as done. [clears throat and cough] >> Yeah. He's new, right? I met him the other day. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. This is Jamie Rook. >> So, wait a minute. What was that one for that you were just on? >> Uh, housing authority. >> And what did we change in it? Low income. >> Yeah. Meeting low-inccome state
qualifications. If you did that or we did that >> [ __ ] low income state qualifications. Okay. I think some time way back at the
beginning of that day. It doesn't sort them that way. >> Oh, it's just like I click the [snorts] change it jumps way. So, see most people got >> Yeah. >> Candy again.
Uh so we have indemnification of the town condition of permit or license. [clears throat] Uh any person receiving a permit from the town shall execute a written agreement and furnish a bond if the town manager so demands to indemnify and save
harmless town against all damage or cost by reason of any claims or damages blah blah blah blah blah. We pinged Tom or we tagged Tom on it and said asked him if we are doing this and he said we are not. >> We're not. >> So that gets deleted. [snorts]
>> I think it would be the other way around that it should be something that gets done >> done. Oh okay. I see. >> Okay. We have not I see how we answer that question. >> Yeah. >> But DPW does do that. Is it covered
separately under DPW? >> Um, I think this is just for everything. >> Okay. Because DPW does [clears throat] require bonds for streets. >> Yeah. >> New streets that are going in, >> right? And that's a permit that comes under the permitting the uh the
subdivision. >> Yes. Sub rules and regulations require a bond. >> Yes. >> Or cash. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I mean, if someone wanted to walk in with, you know, 400,000 in cash and put
it down, they could do that, too. >> Uh, Chris Beecher, false alarms. He said it's still relevant. Mark that as done. We just talked about Uh, let's see. What was the next one? Jamie Rook.
>> Replace [snorts] cable with community. >> And she said, "Leave it as cable." >> Okay. >> And some at the end. Um, chapter 40, >> which is town manager.
If you bring that up, you should have the question we asked Tom as far as the town attorney, the appointment and removal. anything. [snorts] >> Uh, so we asked Tom about the inventory of property. >> Yep. >> Mhm.
>> You said this obviously makes a lot of sense for public body but likely unattainable without parameters. The big ticket items, buildings, vehicles, etc. are essentially handled with our insurance policies which are updated every year. Conversely, I'm not aware of how many paper clips the town clerk is in possession of. Hopefully my point is
not lost on a bad attempt at humor. [laughter] Well, I think I think this falls under I mean there's certain things like in our annual report uh that's done up each year, you know, you read all the different departments. We have this, we have that, we have this. And I got to the police department and it says that
they have 17 vehicles. And the chief looked at me and said, "We don't have 17 vehicles." I'm like, "Well, for the last seven years, you you've had 17 vehicles." And he said he would look into it and I'm
sure once he does, um, which I don't expect to happen soon. >> And again, I think what what ends up happening is like those annual reports, it's a once over glance and Yep. >> Yeah. send it back in, change the date a little bit, and that's it. And
>> that's why the inventory, it's like, well, what do we have? What don't we have? >> Um, DPW, I noticed behind the building at one point there was old trucks and everything else all piling up because they were going to go to auction.
>> So, they were still inventory, but not it's like, hey, some of this stuff we just need to get rid of. >> Yeah. And I think that's basically why it's there. You know, what do we have? Especially under capital projects. Um that's always been a huge thing. And
>> it seems like um truck 94 has been replaced like 35 times. [laughter] >> And and I say that jokingly, but what ends up happening sometimes is you go through and once you get rid of so many of them, they reumber. >> Mhm. And so, you know, that truck all of
a sudden becomes number 94 and it's like, wait a minute, didn't we just redo this? And but yeah, the town attorney in here. So, appointment and removal, the town manager shall annually in June and whenever a vacancy shall exist appoint a
member of the Massachusetts bar to act as town attorney. I don't think that ever happens. I thought we changed that to say contract and remove the annually and whenever vacancy. >> Uh so we said appointment removal of town manager shall contract with a
member of Massachusetts bar to act as town attorney. >> Yeah. >> The [snorts] town manager may contract with special counsel as needed. The town attorney shall be subject to uh at any time by removal of town manager. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> And then duties.
Uh we tagged Tom and asked uh can we remove it and he said yes. There's a lot of >> We already got rid of most of it. >> So we got rid of two and three. The only was left was one.
because we figured that's going to be covered in the contract. >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> What about C? >> What about the very last? Did we >> C is there? >> Um we modified it. >> Where [snorts] did we modify it to? >> All town officials, boards, and
committees requiring the services of town attorney shall obtain approval from the town manager before performing any services. >> Yeah, man. I understand that, but I don't necessarily agree with it. Um,
and let me give you the scenario. We had the planning board, which the special permit granting authority when I was on it, made a decision, and again, the new town council coming in, uh, didn't agree with the decision. They had the town attorney. They refused
to get an attorney for the planning board even though they appealed our decision and it went to court. So the planning board was left without an attorney going to court and the town manager refused to pay for an attorney
for the planning board. And I don't think that's right. >> In this form of government, they work for under the town manager. They don't have a budget >> so they wouldn't be able to hire one. >> Can I give you the opposite though? When I when I was principal, Ralph, uh previous superintendent, the uh attorney
for the schools got very friendly with the five principles and we started calling him directly. >> I And that's >> and that the wall they said because the bill all of a sudden >> Exactly. >> So I've seen >> so no and I do understand that and that's why it's sort of one of those that
>> um >> Yeah. I guess you would hope that your town manager, if there's a discrepancy, would say if you need legal counsel, yes. >> Yes. >> They'll get you. But >> yeah, >> we had a past town manager that refused to. >> But you really you really can't let the
departments just go to the town attorney. >> So originally because of the language, they were able to and just like we said, all of a sudden the bill just went skyrocket because >> Yeah. instead of, hey, I'm going to do
some of the research and do it myself. It was just like, well, have the town attorney write it. Have the town attorney write it. And all of a sudden, the bill was huge. And >> so, >> at least it's on record that I do have. [laughter] [snorts]
>> Some concerns. >> And again, no matter how good we get with these, they're probably not going to be perfect, >> right? >> Um, >> very impressed. how you've kept everything really organized. This is very impressive on your part.
>> So, can you send this file to me so that I can review everything? I know you can. Click, click, and you're done. >> That would have just taken me 45 minutes. Okay. >> So, what file are you getting now?
>> The one with the corrections. >> Can I have the same file? >> Yeah. >> Huh? Uh yeah. So actually what we're going to do instead of giving direct, we're going to Oh, you guys already have it. We should have it.
>> Yeah. >> Where? >> Uh >> tell me how to open it. [laughter] >> My phone should be on my phone now. >> Uh it's just a link. So you click on it, you should be able to view it. >> Okay.
>> I'm with you, Ralph. I'm not exactly uh >> so somehow I just on my Google found a Google Drive and I guess all during the charter review and all they were sending me stuff. [laughter] I was like look at all of this.
It was like at the beginning I shared with everybody. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Downloading one message. Well, at least this way here we can scan through before our next meeting and see if anything jumps out. Makes >> sense. >> Oh, there it is now.
>> Okay. So, in other words, okay, so we can this up. We're going to have that showing. >> Okay. >> And what does that task to do now? >> Well, that way there we can look through >> anything. Yeah. >> You see the changes and all in it. >> Make sure it's all okay.
>> And see if there's anything else or >> you know, one of the changes was made and you're like, I'm not sure about that. I like that idea. Okay, >> that sounds good. >> Thank you. Yeah, >> you don't see the modifications. >> What? [snorts]
>> You don't see the comments? >> Yeah, we're just here as viewers. >> Yeah. >> But once we pull it up, can't you click on something for the comments or whatever? Um, you don't see that as viewer. So,
let's see. >> What's your concern, Ryan? >> You don't see the the like >> the highlights when you're logged in, you'll see the highlights and the changes. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> So, like if we look at uh 40-3, >> it's show it shows the
original version. Mhm. >> So like 40-3 time manager authority to employ special council >> and here's the time manager authority sports and it has all the other the stuff we deleted. >> So is there a way I can change that? >> You have that as a separate document
>> with changes. >> I see what you I'm looking at it now. Yeah. >> I feel better now. because I wouldn't be able to do it either. So, um, so the one other aspect of the general bylaws, um, and again, I
don't know how much we want to get into looking at a couple other towns, seeing what's in their general bylaws and if we're missing something or not. Um, >> you can see it. Just don't make any changes to it. [clears throat] >> Okay. So, would you send another link out? >> The same link. >> Yeah. >> I just changed the permissions on it.
>> Okay. So, what are you saying? It's >> just don't make any changes. Just take notes for our next meeting. >> Yeah. Okay. [laughter] You sure you want me in that? [snorts] >> Okay. Excellent work. >> Yeah. Like I said, I just uh I like Long
Meadow. I haven't brought their bylaws up in a long time. I don't know if there's something that they've addressed that we never thought of addressing that maybe we need to. >> I'm not sure Long Meadow is the best. >> Well, just saying. [laughter] And again, local towns are whatever
around and every town's a little bit different what they address and what they don't address. >> Would be a good place to look. >> Yeah. >> And I think maybe, you know, each of us just take a just scroll through and see if anything jumps out. >> I can do that.
>> Uh, so our next meeting is the 29th. >> I will not be able to be the Air Force. I'm in Boston after a meeting there. Did you get my email with regards to Yeah, >> I went in. I looked and I'm like, >> is he sure it's this week? >> Yeah.
>> I'm like, the agenda says the 8th and 29th or something or >> I can do the 29th. >> Yeah, I can't unfortunately. >> But you know what? You'll be able to review this if you see anything. >> Yeah, >> I'll pass on you.
>> Yeah, that's the way to [snorts] do it. >> All right. Uh if there is no further business, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Any further discussion? >> A very very positive meeting as far as directional going.
>> Yeah. A lot of clean up. >> All those in favor signify by saying I. >> Any opposed? None. Any abstensions? None. We were journed at 658.