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The meeting, the first thing we're going to do is have a roll call. Um I Mark [clears throat] Begley is here. >> Charles Gray. >> Gray is present and Francis Dean is present. Uh and James Channing is on his way. Uh but we'll proceed with the minutes of

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the administrative minutes. Did you guys have a chance to read the March 16th minutes? >> Yep. I'm going to go over them. Should be good. >> Are you guys okay with them? I read them and I'm okay with them all. Three vote in favor? >> I I >> We accept the minutes as presented.

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Adopted from the the meeting. Uh the next uh item that we're going to have is our zoning hearing uh for the um hearing uh with regard to the um

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property uh requested for um Well, the public minutes of the agenda tonight is just for the petition for your single single family at 29 Newbury Avenue. Uh um relief of the setback for this single

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family family home the variance, but we've got to wait till James is here so we have a members that can vote. >> Uh Mr. Chairman, so we have to approve the May 18th minutes as well. Do you want >> Okay, you want to go ahead and bring up May 18th minutes? Yeah, okay, I see that. Okay. And so the first one we need

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to approve was the uh March 16th minutes and then we can >> approve the April 20th >> April 20th and then we'll do the March >> May 18th. >> The May 8th minutes. Yeah, right here. Okay. >> May 18th. 16th. You sure? Yeah, I'm good with both of them.

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>> Yeah, okay. You read the minutes after we read them now. >> Pretty short minutes. I move to approve. >> Yes. >> This is the one that we established though. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> So that meeting you guys >> Yeah, that's all set. >> So you guys voted to withdraw >> This week voted for the the

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>> Totally draw. >> Approved the withdrawal >> It was a very quick meeting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's why >> Yeah, yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. >> I So I second >> I all second. >> In favor of >> Is that Charles? >> I >> Make the record reflect the May 18th minutes been approved as well as April

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27th. >> Next So we're still waiting Mr. Channing some time to get here. He did inform us he's on his way. So he called to advise for inconvenience and we appreciate everybody's patience today. Um as we mentioned, you're the only petition on the agenda. So plenty of

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time to discuss this petition. >> Do we want to read the notice? >> Well, we might as well read the notice and just verify jurisdictionally we've got. So I see that the request for abutters has been submitted. >> Yep. >> Um

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and we have that. Um wanted to verify that the publication took place. >> It did. >> Um so the publication's taken place and that the abutters have received their notices as well. >> Yep, so they were mailed out. >> And here's James Channing.

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>> I apologize I'm late. Sorry. >> Donald, that's fine. I was late, so >> Watch your step on this side. >> Be careful. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, I'm late, sorry. Thank [clears throat] you. >> So I'll have the clerk read the publication. >> Case ZV 202602.

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The petition for variance under East Lyme Meadow zoning bylaws table 32 for relief from the front setback for a proposed single-family home Excuse [clears throat] me, at 29 Newberry Avenue. Assessor's parcel ID 15442 in the residence C zoning district.

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Applicant Deborah Bushnell 32 Newberry Avenue, East Lyme Meadow. This was published on both and the Who was on both May 28th, 2026 and June 4th, 2026.

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>> Well, from a jurisdiction point we can hear it. The publications and notices have been sent. So, what I'd ask for people to speak first we'd ask for the people just give your address, name and address when you speak. I'll ask for the people who are in favor of it. I will

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ask people after they're done speaking in favor. I'd ask anybody who's here in opposition to speak. I would also give the chance for the petitioner if there's something new that is brought up by anybody who opposes this to address

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any of the opposition that they didn't actually know they had. So, do we have anybody here to speak in favor of this petition? >> Okay. >> So, so just heads up folks, we have microphones in here that's going to record what you're saying.

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>> Yeah, yeah. >> So, just if you're speaking from back there, it they won't pick you up. So, you have to be up here to physically speak if you want your testimony recorded on the meeting and recording. >> Okay, thank you. Hi, my name is Deborah Brushnell, Deborah Brushnell. I, like

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you said, I live at 32 Newberry Avenue. I applied for the building permit for a parcel which is 29 Newberry Avenue, which is where we're here. It is a pre-existing non-conforming lot with an existing house on it. It is 100 ft wide

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by 70 ft deep. House was erected in 1940, so prior 1962 bylaws. So, right now the house meets of our current setbacks, meets two of the four.

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What I'm proposing is to increase conformity and meet three of the four setbacks. The hardship would be the front setback, the 25 ft in the zone state, which would not allow a building

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envelope acceptable to a single-family dwelling. So, what I'd like to do is remove an eyesore from our neighborhood and increase conformity,

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bring obviously everything to code. And what the The neighborhood that I live in, I actually of the above, where we tried to send out notices. I brought copies of plans if you guys want to look. >> Which one do you? >> The one you >> Two loads, yeah. >> Okay.

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I have >> Just watch your step up here with the wires. >> Yeah, oh, shoot. Sorry I just said that. So, oh, you have these. >> Yes, I do. >> You have these. Okay. >> So, I don't think you have the building plans. >> I did send the building plans with the application. So, I thought you guys have

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them, so I didn't print them out, too. >> No, I'll share them with you. >> Yeah. And this is >> So, current >> This right here is Sorry, I almost There we go. This right here is the parcel in question. With the existing

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structure that is actually over >> The apple >> the existing lot line. >> Right. >> So, uh what I did is I put a dot on every single home in the neighborhood that is that is way below the 25 or encroaching and over the street because of their

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pre-existing nonconformity. >> You know, they're they There's actually two of them on there that aren't pre-existing nonconforming. Um but made it in the neighborhood. do that. And I also, just to dot my eyes and cross my tees, printed out the wetland

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maps to show that there's no wetland issues >> Yep. >> anywhere near them. >> So, this is the current structure. Right. Right. Right here, right? >> Correct. This is right here. >> So, the current structure is, I mean, it it

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feels like it's already over the >> It is. So, what I'm proposing is bringing it back 12 ft and bringing it in 12 ft. So, I would meet this setback, the rear setback. The side yard setback which still would not be able to meet the frontage. >> Yep.

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>> So, I'm I'm requesting to increase conformity, but still there would be the front yard setback. That That is what I'm going for a variance as far as the front yard setback. >> And what's the square footage of the current structure? >> Current, um, that hasn't been deemed. I would

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place it right around I work with Kelly for that number. So, I'd have to do that. Um, I would place it right around 800, maybe 900 at max. And what I'm proposing is 1,008. And the way that that parcel sits right

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now, as you can see, it sits I'm almost on top of one of my abutting neighbor's yard. >> Mhm. >> So, I would like to move it away from their yard to give them a little more space, too. And the person behind me is

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the same size lot as 100 by 70. So, there's no opportunity to purchase land from him, as well. >> Okay. Uh, Mr. Chairman, may I offer some context here, too? If that's okay. Just some background information on the lot.

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Uh, the house was built in 1940. And the lot has no evidence that it was ever altered or reconfigured post-1962 when the zoning amendment was adopted. The lot technically is undersized per res C. She technically would need 10,000

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but because of that vested right, she has the right to build a single-family home there given that there's water and sewer nearby. So the only issue at hand is just that front setback in terms of non-conformity to the zoning regulations.

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>> And I am open to moving moving the structure. If if you guys see it fit that way. The the what I'm supposed the proposed structure. >> Got it. >> Yes. That was what I was just thinking about

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when I was talking with Mike Smith and making it more conformant. And removing an eyesore from the neighborhood, removing overgrowth, and increasing my neighbors' property values. >> So if you were to move that to the maybe the south.

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>> Correct. >> And center it on the lot or something like that, you'd have that two variances [clears throat] but it might end up with a better condition of the house not being so close to your neighbor and have more side yard. >> Um there's a lot of wooded area there. >> Yeah. >> So it it wouldn't be an

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>> it. I got it. I saw the woods. I saw that was a >> So it would still be able to maintain the privacy of all my directly abutting neighbors which there are three of them. You know, there's Walter who's behind me, there is Chloe who's adjacent to me, and there are Eddie and Sandy who are to

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the right left of me, excuse me. So it actually >> Yeah. >> helped all of them. >> Sure. >> I do Mike some of my neighbors are here tonight. Uh >> And the the home home on the property is is I just for the record I think is a

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single story. >> It is a single story ranch so it's correct. >> Mhm. >> That's what I thought it's a single >> No, they can't try to put it the right way. >> I [clears throat] know. I wasn't sure because of the way that when I was here the numbering >> I tried to figure out the numbering but It's an old

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>> Yeah, non-existent. >> old neighborhood. It is it's an old existing neighborhood. >> That's for sure. >> And there you know there quite a few in there. >> Okay, those lots were subdivided in like the early 1910s. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, this is the old like they called

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it Little Libley. >> So of my neighbors I couldn't be here tonight I do have a a letter from one of my other neighbors. Would you mind if I >> No, no we'd like to have that just for the record so if you would >> Dear East Long Meadow zoning board, we are Chris and Glenn Gabner Gabner of 51

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Linden Ave. And we are abutting neighbors to Deborah Schnabel. Although we are unable to attend the June 15th meeting, we would like to express our strong support for her building project. Having reviewed the plans, we are excited to see her move forward with a project that will improve the appearance

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of our neighborhood. I believe it would be a wonderful addition and will fit seamlessly into the character of our established neighborhood. Thank you, the Gabners. >> Thank you. We just would like that for the record. >> I can take that. >> Thank you. >> And we'll just have that exhibit one. Okay.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay. Um yeah, I I I just the only concern I had was um whether this could have been done by a special permit. In terms cuz are you increasing the non-conformity?

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>> So I thought about that but because she has a right to build a single family home on the lot given section 3.5 of our bylaw. >> right? >> Technically the lot is conforming to our stone zoning standards because of the fact as I mentioned earlier. >> Pre-existing, but what she's got is a

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pre-existing non-conforming structure as well as a pre-existing non-conforming lot. >> But because she's demoing all the structure. >> But she's demoing an existing structure and building a brand new one. So that's kind of where it canceled out. So if there was an existing structure and she was adding to it or moving it back, that's where the special

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>> So you have because you you felt that because she was knocking it down. >> Exactly. So it's a brand new building and that's where we had discussed >> I did think that as well because the special permit grants the authority to I was on the plane for >> Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I understand. But sometimes you can keep a portion of the house just to make

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just to make it as a structure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. That's fine. >> Because 3.5 you know, increase in conformity you cannot decrease conformity. >> Right. Cuz you're decreasing the non-conformity here. >> Yep. I'm decreasing >> Decreasing >> I'm increasing the conformity.

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Decreasing the non-conformity. >> So Deborah came to me about a month and a half ago and we discussed this in length and I told her because >> You're not >> You're no nothing from the existing building's going to remain. >> Yeah. >> Brand new building just to avoid that headache. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just to

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>> No. And I I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Is Newbury Avenue public or is that a private way? I think >> It's So it's a tech Technically it's a public right of way. >> It is. Okay. >> But it's not going through anybody's specific property because it was a It's it's technically a paper street. >> That's what I'm saying. That's what I

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thought. It's a paper street. Has this been This has been accepted? >> No. >> It's not No. So it's a private way. >> Right. This is a private way. >> My existing home is here. So if you look on this parcel um where I circled it, my this is my existing home. And this is very weird.

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Yes. Yeah. Very weird. >> But I think that the driveway would just come straight into the >> Yeah. The driveway already comes all the way back. >> Yeah. No, but it'll it'll come [clears throat] in straight. >> In 2005, I bought this parcel, demoed the house that was there, and erected that structure in 2005.

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>> But for the for your home For my personal house that I live in. Oh, and I didn't let you know, I'm not This is not This is not to be used for personal gain. It's not going to be sold. This is for me having a garage cuz I desperately need one. And for my children because

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they're going to going off to college so they have someplace to stay and have, you know, a nest egg, if you will. >> Right. And that that's fine. I mean, but >> But it's not for personal gain. I'm not looking to sell >> Well, whether it is or isn't Yeah, that doesn't That That's it with me. It

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doesn't really matter to me, but some people may think so. Well, it's a bad bad thing for people knowing it is, I guess. But uh >> Also, I want to say DPW did review this project and no concerns regarding the driveway and having access to it.

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Um if there was an issue that was raised later on, that'll be addressed during the building permit process, but I talked to Mark Berman, deputy superintendent, and he told me that he didn't see any potential issues here with building this structure, which I'm assuming would classify as single-family home.

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>> Yes. >> So, there's going to be people living there. >> And the And the paved driveway that go already is in front on the private So, I mean, I assume >> [clears throat] >> that she owns the two of them, shouldn't be a problem. I What I would suggest is if you ever change the title,

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>> Mhm. >> that you have some sort of a driveway agreement who's going to talk about maintaining >> driveway. Like a shared Yes. >> A shared driveway. So, yeah, but I mean, at this point since you own both of them, whether it's an investment property or a rental property, I I really don't care.

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Uh but if you do separate ownership, be important cuz you could have fights over >> Right. >> the maintenance, repair, replacement, who does it. >> Mhm. >> You know, makes it makes sense. So. >> Yeah, I bought it from my neighbor, another butter, Dan Casey.

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I was I tried to buy it for 15 years. He finally gave Um he finally came and sold it to me last January. >> Wow. >> So, and he knew my intentions, you know. >> Are you um just out of curiosity, are you disturbing any of the woods nearby

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or are you just >> No, I am going to have to cut some trees, but they're trees that need to be cut. >> Okay. So, like kind of minimal clearing. >> Minimal clearing, yeah. Overgrown brush and there's one detrimental tree. >> Okay.

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Which is >> coming from a It's actually my neighbor's tree and they just moved in there um How long has Cody been there? >> Cody's been there about 3 years. >> About 3 years. When they bought the property, I actually we talked about it and I said I'm trying to buy this. Let's

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wait. Let's see if I can do this and I'll I'll cut it down >> Sure. >> when we do it. It already happened. >> My only question is um so, increasing the conformity, appreciate that. Um the rear setback >> Mhm. >> as I'm seeing it on the Smith Associates

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survey is 30. Meaning the front setback from the street is 12. Why wouldn't you go to 25 that and increase >> Honestly, my neighbor Walter behind me um

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he has a lot of stuff that kind of goes over the property line. He's an older gentleman and I really didn't want to disturb him that much. And I sit since I can't, no matter what I do, meet the 25 >> Yeah. >> I was thinking it'd be nicer to have a little bit larger backyard, give him a

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little more privacy, and just enough room to park a couple cars in front of the garage. >> Yeah, just be >> That was my thought process. >> Just be careful he doesn't try to claim part of your lot. >> [laughter] >> He's a good dude. >> Well, I understand, but that >> No, [clears throat] I know. >> Somebody may may should probably send

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him a letter saying I'm giving you permission and put it on the lot so it doesn't become adverse. >> Thank you for that. >> Well, no, because somebody may buy it and say, "Ha, this has been doing this for years. So, I got adverse possession." And next [clears throat] thing you know, you lose 5 or 10 ft of your property and you have an even smaller lot.

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>> small. >> Well, I don't know how much it is. I could see crap, but I didn't know if that where your property line was. >> Mhm. >> But you don't have a very wide lot. I mean, it's a good you know, today. >> No, it's very It's a postage stamp. >> You know, with the frontage on the street, usually it's the other way around. You have a smaller frontage and

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a much deeper depth. I mean, it's only a 70-ft lot deep wise. >> Mhm. >> You know, with the setback requirements, you know, you got to you know, the issue on there, so. >> And also, I'm using I'm going to be using this as my personal garage. And so,

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you know, walking back and you know, back and forth. My house that I live in now does have a garage, but we all know you need [clears throat] a certain depth to pull a vehicle. And my garage is only 19 ft. You can't pull a vehicle in a 19-ft garage.

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You just cannot. >> So, is the garage, I guess single-family home in this case, is it two stories? >> Yes, yes. >> Okay, and are you >> This is what looks like a split. >> No, it's not a split level. >> Well, I mean, the garage on the first floor. >> Correct. >> And second floor >> The second floor

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>> is living space. >> is living space. So, that's split level. >> No, this is >> Yeah, but I mean, it's like >> two stories >> two story with your garage as your first floor. >> And does it also meet the height requirements for the sign in here? >> Yes, we are definitely under the 35 ft. It's still 35, right?

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>> Yeah, or 32. >> Yeah, either way I'm under. Yeah. >> So, it's going to be a two-bedroom Looks like one full bath. >> Mhm. >> Kitchen, living room, laundry room.

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With a deck. That's And really no one here has a question or they aren't for it. Uh anybody here to speak in favor of it? >> Yes. >> I think you used >> Good evening. Uh my name is Simon. Last name is Brighenti, b r i g h e n t i.

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Um as we some of you may know that I was a real estate lawyer for a number of years. Uh I'm now pro bono retired. And I'm here as an abutter. I'm also a member of the uh historic commission in town. But I'm acting in my personal capacity as an abutter. We're at the 35 Linden Avenue. Um we

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bought the property next to his house when he left town. And um I I met with her. We walk our dog past there every day and she's right about, you know, you look through the trees there and you see this this old house that definitely is is a uh an eyesore. Um

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I did walk down uh the other day and met with her and we talked about what she was looking to do. And um again, when I was practicing, I want to make clear I'm not practicing now. I'm not representing anybody. But when I was practicing uh this is the type of situation I would I would look for her because it's again you're increasing the amount of

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conformity. It's not There's no no less of a substantial detriment to the neighborhood. There's no detriment to the neighborhood. It's an improvement to the neighborhood. Um you've got I think you're going to hear a lot of people in support of it. And um I I think it's just a good project to go

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and and you know, you know the people involved. Smith Associates has been around forever. And um so I I think it's a solid project. Uh she's I think she's approaching it, like I said, the right way. She's talked to everybody. She's talked to the town. She's not hiding anything. She's not not arguing with anybody. She just wants to

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get this uh you know, old place taken down and a new place put up. And I think it'll be a great a great addition to the town. >> Thank you. you. >> Yep. And I appreciate you having to leave. >> Yeah. >> Are there any other people who speak in

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favor? >> I'm in favor. I can't wait for her to get started. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, just wait. Just your name and address. And if you speak up here just so we can get it in the uh >> Just so we can document it in our meeting minutes. >> He directly looks at the ISO all day.

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>> Yeah. I'm sure he does. >> We even enjoyed it. >> My backyard, Debbie's house. And it's heinous. >> [laughter] >> Eyesore. >> Yeah. My backyard. Raccoons in and out. >> Yep. >> Bass in and out.

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>> Do you mind just saying your name and your address for the record? >> Amy Stankwitz, 36 Grove Avenue. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. >> So, um as soon as she gets started, I told her I'm going to set up my lawn chair and a beer. >> [laughter] >> And cold beers and watch everybody construct it.

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>> Good deal. >> Uh okay. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Anybody else speak in favor? >> I'm Melissa Nott at 43 Alpine Ave, which is from her property kind of sitting on her.

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It's very strange. Our lots You're You're across from me, but yeah, it's kind of strange. But I think it's a great project. It places not been inhabited a whole 10-plus years that I have lived there. It is definitely not um adding value to our neighborhood, and any improvement is a good improvement.

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And I really liked how it's The plan looked and I read over all of that, which was great. So, I'm very excited about the project. >> Thank you. Anybody else speak? >> I'll I'll go on following the guests. A little bit of information uh on my part.

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Uh I moved into the neighborhood I'm Maria Forbes, 34 Linden Avenue. >> Okay. >> Uh I moved into the neighborhood for 15 years ago and at that point I was told that the street behind me was paper

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street. That my understanding was that it's wetland. And it certainly is. After rain about 1/3 of the yard is wet. >> And and this yard of this home or the

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yard of the >> my parcels. >> Your yard is wet? >> Yeah, my yard is 34 London that my backyard >> It gets wet when it rains. >> would be New Bedford Street. Paper Street. >> Yeah. >> So,

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just what does that mean? If it's paper street, it's is it wetland? That it's >> Well, I'm not sure it's a quote paper street because it actually is So, a paper street is a street that never got developed at all. Here it looks like it

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was opened, wasn't paved, but it was kept open. A lot of paper streets, you go there and you'd see you think you just think it's woods cuz it's not That's what paper street never got developed. This has actually been used as access to this whatever you want to call that a house. >> By most of our maps it got abandoned as

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>> Yeah, yeah, but there was a at a time that was used as a access. So, it's it's a it's a private street. It was laid out and anybody on that plan that was that it was laid out. But, you know, when they laid these things out in the '20s and '30s, um

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there wasn't any zoning in these land at all. So, >> So, it has nothing to do with the wetland? >> Well, the wetland this isn't in the wetland. If it's in the wetland or you're within 100 ft of the wetland, then you have a buffer zone and you may have to go to the conservation commission

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um to to >> No, I finished out the wetland now. >> Yeah, no, no, I answered and so right and so it but if you're in it within 100 ft of a wetland, then you have to go to the Wetlands Commission with a a notice of determination. They can determine whether it is or isn't apply. Um and if it doesn't apply, they

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say so. If it does, then they may give you an order of conditions or deny it if it can't be done to protect the the wetland. >> Yeah, also I I looked at, you know, 34 Linden. Uh it looks like you're about three So, your backyard it may be between like 250 to 300 ft away from uh

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this property. But, I mean, just to note future reference, if you're within 100 ft of a wetland at all, um as deemed a wetland by the state or by a professional wetland specialist, that's when you would need the Conservation Commission to approve it. Um

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and those are buffer zones that usually are developed on set of plans. Uh the applicant has proven that those wetlands are not near the property. But again, you know, Conservation might look at this again during the building permit process to verify that, but that's that's usually pretty standard. So, uh

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we don't see any issues with that. >> Yeah, so see, you you you're responsible in the the abutters, you and your neighbor. I don't think Mr. Stankiewicz needs to use that area. He could, I guess, if he wanted to. Um but I he's got access from Grove. Why

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would he want to go down that that street? >> [snorts] >> But But you should have some sort of agreement at some point. Um you know, sometimes when you go to finance if you are going to buy private ways, the banks sometimes create a problem. >> Mhm.

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>> So, but if you have an agreement by the owners, we talked about you're going to separate it. >> Right. Yes. Yeah, that was useful information. >> Yeah, or if you're going to mortgage it, cuz if you don't pay, the bank would end up with a new you know, new owner. >> And banks hate shelling out money to fix roads. I've seen it.

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>> Well, no, they they got screwed in a case in this part of the state where it was a road in the town of Bandon. It was a public way at the time. But there was a there was a stream that crossed it and it had a bridge that failed. And it was going to cost like 300,000 to

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and it only served two houses beyond >> It's a private road. >> Yeah. >> You know? >> It's an old case. It's an old case. >> It's an old case, but the town but this is an old case, but the town basically said we don't want to be on the hook for a $300,000

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thing. So they abandoned the road and they left the two people on the far side and unfortunately the bank had a mortgage on one of those two lots and they found out you couldn't get there [clears throat] because the the bridge had failed and they had to build, you know, to make their their thing marketable to get

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anything back for it. They had to they had to put the bridge in. >> Yeah. >> And they weren't happy campers. >> Yeah. >> And then after all of this Well, yeah, but then in like 2010, remember we were going through the crisis, they basically said if you're on a public if you're not on a pri- a public way, we're not going to fund fund

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it except it was like under a subdivision with obligations to the town. Well, these old private ways have no obligations to the town to pave it and you know, put the utilities in and all the other things. >> We have a lot of easements on that. >> Yeah. We do. A lot. >> They have easements on >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> Now, are all the utilities going to still be coming in the same way that they are now to the house? >> Yes, the utilities were connected to the house when I purchased it. >> Right. >> And >> What type of utilities are all there? What are what utilities are all existing? Is there gas there?

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>> There is not gas. Gas comes down half of our street, half of Newbury, half of Alpine and then it stops. The rest of us in the back are either propane or oil. >> Okay. >> So this will be propane. >> Propane. >> Sewer? >> Sewer and water? >> The sewer and water are right there.

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The GD&W came and I was the Dan and I went I put >> So they ran out of gas. >> Yeah, we had that shut off. So the sewer and the water connections >> Where are they there? Okay. >> are on the house If this is the house that's there now, the sewer and water connection is right here on top of >> It's on top of it. >> on top of it. >> No cheese.

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>> So they would have to be like, you know, >> moved. >> They'd have to be relocated. >> Right. >> That's what I'm saying. >> talking >> All right. Anybody here in opposition? Hearing none, do we have any further questions from the board? >> No. I'm all good.

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No. Everybody good? >> Now, we have a motion to close the the hearing. >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Motion was unanimous. Um do we have a motion to either approve or disapprove of the variance and the

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grounds? >> I I move to approve the variance. Um it uh improves the the nature of the neighborhood. Um so there's no detriment to the unique nature of the of the lot and size. Um

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it uh it seems to be an appropriate use of a variance. >> I second. >> Yeah, [snorts] and I I just would add that we'll the the house be built in accordance with the plans that you actually submitted to the board.

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Um and you know, I don't think there's anything you could do um except you'd have like an extremely small house that I don't think anybody could live in. Um if you if you you build that and and met all the zoning requirements.

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>> He's 5 ft tall. She's got a >> Yeah, what I'm saying >> I mean you you it wouldn't be a house. I I guess I don't know if it would be maybe an outhouse. But >> tiny hero >> Right. Right. Yeah, I don't even >> Yeah, but a tiny house on it. >> It'd be like a super tiny house. >> Yeah, bigger.

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>> Um but I think because of the just the it's a unique situation because it's a preexisting it's a substandard lot by a lot in terms of especially the depth. It's only the 70 ft. [clears throat] Creates a real problem with a

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a setback requirement so that can't be any closer to the road than 12 ft. Um so you're getting a variance of a 30 ft throw for 25 25 I think yeah. So it's it's going to be a 13 ft variance.

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But you meet the other requirements and so that's we have it but So we'll take a formal vote. I'll abstain. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> I and I. >> So that was unanimous. There is a right

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to appeal. If case is somebody out there want to huh? >> 20 20 days. >> 20 days just 20 days from when we file it with the town clerk. >> Oh wow. >> And I'll uh I'll reach out to you either tomorrow Wednesday about next steps and stuff. >> Yeah I'll file I'll file it with the

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town clerk. He'll write up the decision. I'll read it to make sure it's accurate. We'll sign it and then he'll file it with the town clerk. That's when the 20-day appeal period. You can build at your risk within the 20-day appeal period but if somebody appeals and you lose

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whatever you build was done at your risk. Can't imagine anybody's going to appeal it but you know there's always a chance. >> Exactly. >> Yeah well that's a >> One in a million. >> It could [clears throat] happen but I think in this is a good case. I think it'll improve the not only the property

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but it's it's benefit of the town. I mean it's going to be a lot more valuable lot tax wise for the town. >> is revenue coming to the town. >> The town will get [laughter] more The town will definitely get more revenue. For this and I think You know it'll be appropriate that it'd

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be more you know they got a shortage of housing so your kids can live there for now but eventually maybe one of them will live there who knows. I mean >> Maybe. >> You know it may be theirs and they can do whatever they want with it. >> and 17 now so way too soon to >> Right exactly.

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>> [laughter] >> Yeah. Years ago that was what uh That was the >> People were getting married at 16 and 17. My son turned 17 last month. My daughter's turning 16 this weekend. >> Wow. >> She driving yet? >> He is driving. >> I want her to be safe.

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>> I don't know. Is he a good driver? He's a good [laughter] driver. I have many issues with him. She's like, "That means not your hands on the steering wheel while you're driving now." >> Was that 10 and 2? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> 10 and 2. >> All right, guys. >> Well, thank you. >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. Thank you for your time.

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>> Good meeting you, too. >> You as well. >> So, Mr. Chairman, so if you >> I'll make a motion, huh? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we have a motion to close the meeting. >> So moved. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Motion unanimous.