Conservation Commission meeting at six o'clock. In attendance, Anthony Zampertini, Elizabeth Stoton, Jason Gbert, Thomas O'Brien, and Megan Logan. First order of business is to approve the open session minutes from January 14th, 2026. Did everybody have a chance to read
them? Any questions or changes? >> Motion to approve the meeting minutes of January 14th, 2026. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I motion passes. Uh, next is approval of minutes for January
18th, sorry, January 28th, 2026 open session minutes. >> Make a motion to approve the January 20th, 2026 open session minutes. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I
notice of intent NOI 2025-02. Notice of intent at 391 North Main Street, assessor's parcel ID 13-23-0 for the judging of Blackman Pond to remove sediment as well as other park improvements subject to the wetlands
protection act 310 CMR 10.00 00 and local wetlands bylaws chapter 424 wetlands protection applicant town of Eon Meadow 60 center square east mass 1028 continued from 114 2026
>> you can just state your name for the record >> I will um So these are for you that the rest of them are. >> Oh, thanks. No problem.
>> All right. So my name is I'm an engineer with Birkier Design Group and um working on behalf of the city for this project. Um, so this is the third time that we've appeared before you on the project. Um,
and this uh letter in this packet um just outlines the um two of the comments that you made last meeting. Um, so to correct the uh colors for the BVW and
the open water, making it more clear what's BVW and what's um underwater. And then um we also added um every 50 ft along areas where we're
in within the buffer zone or that people could travel easily into the wetland. um wooden posts and there's a um we've used these in other places and they seem to work well. There's a um on LC506.
Okay. >> So, there's actually a placard that says not disturb preserve. >> Oh, nice. >> Sign on it so really understand there. So, >> great. >> Yeah. And that that works better cuz sometimes when the if you put boulders
or other things and they get covered and then the mowers hit them and and these are higher up so people are able to see them. >> I like them. >> I agree. >> Yeah, I like them. >> Nice. >> Um the other thing that we had discussed
about the fertilizer plan um which we're hoping we could bring that in later um because yeah, Bruce doesn't really have an idea of what they're doing with that. Um, it just goes, you know, we need to get into
final design and everything and >> I think you said that we were just going to put it in the order of conditions that it would be required before starting. >> That would be Yeah, that >> Yeah. >> Does anyone else have any
questions or I do not. >> What's our next step? >> Um, I gave I put motion assistance in the back of the comments. That's one of the things I updated on it. So, um,
any special conditions you want. In this case, it just seems like the fertilizer plans since they addressed everything else. and then um close the public hearing and it it has the rest there. You can see >> sweet. >> Uh mentioning the like something like the the newly added, you know, posts to
be added. Is that would that be considered a special condition or is that >> they're on the plan? >> Okay. >> All right. So, um motion to close the public hearing for NOI 2025-02. You making the motion?
>> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I >> Okay. >> Um and so for special conditions, we have the inclusion of a fertilizing plan um
prior to the start of work. >> Yeah. And what you wanted should include it should include the the plan but in the plan we want to know like what are they using as fertilizers and treatments. But yeah definitely before before um starts
uh we also have our standard special conditions which I've already sent to him so we don't have to like read them out. >> Yeah, I would just say the standard plus that one that we add that in there if everybody else agrees with that. We don't need anything else.
>> So, uh, okay. Uh, motion to approve NOI 2025-02 with special conditions noted in addition to standard special conditions. >> Second, Tom. >> Oh, all those in favor? >> I thank you so much. Thank you.
>> Thank you for all your work on this. We appreciate it. >> Yeah. monitoring EO25 violation of 31 out. >> Well, you know what? Before we start that, can I just hand out the signature sheet so we don't?
>> Yes, please. So, we don't forget. Yeah. So this Y massive. >> Yeah, we need them for the basement. Go
for the record. Have such good penmanship. It's warmer out. >> You're kidding. >> Toasty 20. >> I know, but at least it's not negative 20. >> That windchill the other day, it was -22. At least at my house. >> I know. It was so cold.
>> Internal. >> No, it doesn't because it's spring fed. That's right. >> I keep looking to see if it freezes and then all of a sudden I look out back and you see like where the snow is like wet on top of it. It's cuz it's spring fed. So it's freeze over.
>> No ice. >> No ice sports. Boy, that must be a dull place. >> Uh, you know, the birds are still all out. The bobcats run around and play on it all the time. >> God, I heard >> I watch them out there. It's hysterical. I heard something last night I never heard. It was a weird noise. It was
something >> fisher cat. >> Huh? >> Probably fisher cat. >> Oh. >> All right. Project monitoring EO 2025-06 wetlands violation 30 Vinland Avenue. >> Hello.
I think we talked >> it was our last meeting. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was looking at the wrong ones. I wanted to see what we >> It's the 28th. So January 28th >> single page one. >> Oh god. Okay. >> It'll be on the back side.
>> Okay. Got it. Okay. Sweet. Um so I think we had all discussed um that we a wetland professional needs to be hired to develop a restoration plan. um is basically being to consider the preservation of the longevity of the
home um because of where the trees were cut and now that embankment is unstable. Yes. Well, you well you can come forward and state your name for the record. That's what I was doing.
and uh my Sally pan out. So what happened um fell on my house um and then sewer back up the sewer backup
that the tree broing and I had to that's what was problems with my sewer or the water pipe. So I got that taken care of. He said, "You have to take care of the tree." And then the roof, they took the tree and fixed my roof,
thank thankfully. And my cement was compromised because of the tree limb roots were growing into my house, and making them stable. So, I had it stabilized. And I had my foundation waterproofed and
my stabilized with metal go things on on the edges. Um and when I came to the town like Alex knows I came to the town and they told me if it was on my property that's
then since then Alex told me or you told me actually that my house is on wet land. Y >> I did not know that. I know there's wetlands behind my house, but my house, >> my house is a wetland. I said, which I don't understand. So, it was all in good faith what I did
and I didn't know there was anything wrong >> and that's okay. We're just trying to move forward and make sure that your house doesn't >> Well, that's what I did to the embankment. >> That's what I did. I I've waterproofed my house and I've uh >> So, you've done more work after we talked to you.
>> No, no, no, no. This is the work I did. Pre came down. We waterproofed the house and we made the the um concrete out the out the back. >> Yeah. It stabilized and >> All right. So, what we're talking about is external of your house. And what
we're talking about is stabilizing the bank >> goes down to the picosic brook. >> Mhm. >> And then cleaning out that debris, which is going to cause a damning effect, thus creating more problems for you and people upstream of you.
So, I think the restoration plan is going to need to that all that tree that you put into the brook is going to have to be >> this one. Yes. >> Pulled out of there. >> Yeah, I know that. And we were in the process of doing that when I got the letter in October. It become ready. >> Okay. And then a restoration plan would
involve some plantings. >> That's what the plan was. Just need to know what kind you need, right? But we we want a wetlands consultant to go out and take a look. No, I thought that's what Alex was. >> No, >> he works for the town.
>> Oh, well, I said he was wetland. >> No, you'd have to hire a wetlands consultant. >> Oh, that's take a look at everything. Make sure that the right stuff is planted and planted in the right places. Um, that's that's what we're saying. It just it you need to hire a professional to take a look at it. >> Yeah. to preserve the bank and then
preserve and uh fix what was what was damaged in the wetlands >> which was >> the the tree being put into the brook is an issue. >> Yeah, that one tree >> there's a Yeah, there's a ton of brush in there that needs to all be removed. I mean this this all of this needs to come
out. It needs to come out by hand because it will cause a dam in that brook and that will cause issues for you and people. That there what you're looking at is uh is that bracken stuff that comes every year and comes down. Not at the top. It's not. This is all this is all branches
that are in there that are covered in snow. That's not >> it's not brush. That's stuff that was put in there from cut down trees and branches. >> I can't quite see. >> Thank you, darling. I just can't see from that.
Yeah, you can ask. >> Oh, you can ask. >> Two of those trees actually fell down a year ago. Yes. Okay, I got it. Are these little pictures taken of my house? I love you. That's nice.
>> That's from the town JS system. >> Never mind. Okay. >> No, >> I was just curious who did the cutting along the uh the river bank. >> No, this was next to my property. It wasn't at the river >> right here.
Did the cutting that close. you hire a contractor to come up and >> he's Yeah, he was the guy that was doing my um restoration of the roof and the um cementing and you know making my house
solid. That was that fell on my deck. That one went this way to the bed. >> This one went on my roof. Very expensive job. And it was all done to preserve my
>> Does he have a name or a business name? Yes. Raginski. But he asked me if I went to the town and I told him yes cuz I did and I got approval and >> but there's no way you got approval.
>> But as a contractor he has to know that >> he any contractor knows you can't do what he did. any contract that tree. He was taking it away and I told him we had to stop
going and we got permission from the guy that owns the land on the side. Um, we went and asked him, he said, "Oh, absolutely. Take it down. It's laying on your house." I thought I did everything right.
>> Is that the the banks in my right here? >> Mhm. >> Is this a tree that fell or >> That's one of them. And there's more over there. >> Much larger one on that side. >> It doesn't go back. >> It doesn't go that way. >> But to dump it in the brook. >> Yep. >> No, it was being removed.
>> It right. But I mean I to just to >> We had five uh trucks >> to a running stream sense to me. >> You cannot fill trees into a a wetland. >> You can't dump debris into >> It was being removed when I got the letter to stop. No, but he he was
removing it and he was throwing it into the stream. A flowing stream. >> Was here to to take the stuff away with the chainsaw. He got the letter. >> Yeah. But I I'm telling you straight, ma'am. I I can see just by his cuts that he felt that stuff right into the brook.
I'm a professional. Any professional in my business knows you can't just want to fell trees into a wetland, never mind a brook or a stream. >> But he had pain. He had a Bobcat to it. >> He can have all the equipment he wants,
but he has to have professional knowledge, >> right? >> So now you're on the hook for his negligence, >> and we could drag him in in here and and hold him accountable for his own negligence as well. >> You don't understand this.
I have retired. I used my savings to take care of my house. I thought I did the right thing. Come down. Get permission. We can call him in here and hold him accountable if you would prefer. >> You just told me what I have to do. And what else do you want me to do?
>> No. No. We're not asking you to do anything else. We're saying comes. >> Yes. They need to be hired and come with a restoration plan to fix the bank and remove the damage that was done to the wetland. If you want to put this on him cuz he's a contractor. He should know this. He's a professional. He knows he can't do that. You can have him come in
and talk to us as well. And it's up to you if you want to hold him responsible for some of this. He should know this. That's not should that's not all on you. That's on him as well. >> thing. It was all going. >> It doesn't matter. He cut it into the brook. >> He cut it into the brook. >> That That's the point. He cut it into the brook. And here's no way he was
going to get it all out. >> It's a negligent act. The those trees should have been removed in a manner that that didn't impact the wetlands behind him or the brook. And permission should have been gotten at the onset >> to even touch these. >> I did come to town.
>> You didn't come to conservation though. Whoever you talked to gave you the wrong information. >> Yeah. >> Did you go to the building inspector? >> Yes. >> That should have automatically triggered. >> And I have I have my phone records of
the calls to him. And I got the map plan thing of my property and where it was. So, obviously it is my error and I am sorry and I will do what I need to do, but I just feel like you're really being
mean to me. We're not trying to be mean to you, ma'am. We're just the these are the rules that are in place and protect the weapons >> and that's okay. But just because you didn't know doesn't mean we can't fix it going forward. I know. I'm not saying that you won't.
We're not being mean. >> Okay. I just need to know what trees allow. >> The wetlands consultant that you hire. >> Whatever he says I can put. >> We'll come up with the plan. He'll come up with and that has to be approved by us. The plan that they come up with. They have to come up with the plan when
they're going to plant, what they're going to plant, what they recommend. You submit that plan to us and then we approve it. >> First they extract the trees out of those because then you're going to see the collateral damage and That's the after plan.
>> She had a picture before with this tree on my house on the roots in my house. See this? >> I've seen plenty of trees on houses. I've seen plenty of roots. I know this. This is my old neighborhood.
>> Okay. What I'm telling you is whoever you hired may have specialized in home improvement, but outside >> trees down around a house was not his specialty. >> It was coming. It was being removed. >> I know. And then you start
>> this stuff was knocked into the brook. >> No. Got a stop order before he out >> and the winter came. >> We're not moving forward. So, >> okay. What is the what do you think an acceptable timeline is to have her hire
a wetlands professional and come back before us with a with a plan? >> We have to wait for the stuff to thought first. Right. >> I got a thought. What if we just kind of get a general idea of what we want to have happen? I'll list it out like
you want a wetland consultant hired, etc. Uh, and then I can write up a new amended version of the existing enforcement order for our next meeting that'll like itemize all the dates and all the thing and then you guys can look it over and kind of that way we kind of
already have a baseline. I'm already like listing some of the things you're asking for now. >> Okay. >> Can can she get somebody a a professional to come in here knows what he's doing? Let's get that river bank and >> that would be all part of the plan presumably. How long do you want? It's
got to be craned out, not dragged out. >> Yeah. >> Dragging out. >> You can't use any heavy equipment or anything like that. >> It's got to be It's got to be lifted out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It's going to involve a log truck if one can get close proximity. >> River bank.
>> I can show you on the >> 30 ft. I can show you >> 30 40 ft. >> 30 40. >> So, you got to be really careful who you hire. Maybe that, but the actual like there's that second steep drop off for the that's eroding. That's the worst part.
That's maybe 20. >> Yeah. Where it starts to erode is like 20 ft. >> But right now I have >> that's where the tree there's two trees that actually fell into it as it was as the water drains away. Those two two of
the trees are down that way. And then this other one came on the deck and then this other one came on the house. But, um, I've changed the gutters. So, the duck gutters now are going out either side. Long, long, long gutters. So, they're not going straight from under
the deck down. They're going >> out. They're buried. I've done a lot of improvements. >> Something else we probably should have reviewed for water from the >> It's water from the gutter. It's just >> I'm saying any of that's inside of this area
>> is supposed because you're right >> attached it. So it's longer. So it's going out further. That's all >> red redirecting >> any any decision. >> Water off an imperous surface. >> Yes. >> Because your property is is has this wetland on it probably should be coming through us before you do any of that
work. And that's that's I think what the other members of the commission are saying. >> Yeah. So include that that the >> water runoff. >> The water runoff. >> That's what the conservation person's right do, right? >> Mhm.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We're listing >> We're listing what we want the wetland >> want them to look at. >> Mhm. >> Maybe some sort of baffling or >> just to check it to see like if it's >> the dissipator looks like. Yeah. >> Dissipator, a baffler, something. So it's not
>> just mainline it right down into that brook. >> Sure. So right now so far from what I've been picking up, I've got I've got the tree to be tree debris from the brook by crane plantings. Uh and then the water runoff and see what the dissipator looks like if there is one.
>> Yep. >> Uh and all that done by a consultant. >> Copy that. >> So finding one stage one and having preliminary. >> We have a whole list of them. Like that's just we can't recommend anybody
outright, but I can send you a list of everybody that's come in front of us since I've started here >> that is certified to do this kind of work. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, so that will take I can draft an amended order up for the next meeting. >> That's fine.
>> And then that way we can tweak the dates however and any details you want to add >> and then just send it back to her. >> Yep, that makes sense. >> First time I've been requested to a meeting. >> It was only on our agenda last week for us to first discuss the visit. That's
all. It hasn't been on our agenda yet >> and there's nothing we can do right now anyway with it being when we spoke. It's like you got to wait for the springtime. >> Yeah. Yeah. Can I have this? Yeah, of course. >> Okay, cool. So, that'd be good. And um you can determine what you want
it to be and >> Right. >> Yeah, that sounds good. Cool. Thank you. Thank you for coming in. See, >> last is just the planning and community development department staff report.
Anything else we got, Alex? >> Zero prospect. Next meeting. >> Zero prospect, which is the >> uh the other source one. I I don't >> Oh, they're back on. >> I don't have an update. >> That's just when they can we continue to the 25th, I think, is >> okay. >> The meeting. So, I'll put this uh
enforcement order on there as well. Okay. >> Um otherwise, um the only other thing to uh be made aware of for the time being is that uh behind the scenes, um the department is looking for grants. I think I've mentioned this
before, grants to start, um trying to develop some trails and the um there's like it's there's multiple different Campbell Conservation Areas and Mary Swords. It's all that uh it's a big piece of conservation land. and it's off like we've seen like
on Fernwood that property. Um so uh just we might need to have more conversations about that. I might ask uh keep in mind if there's anything particular you want to see developed back there. Um and please let me know. I'm sure I'll have
more specific questions soon, but we are looking to go after grants in the near future while the timeline is still there. >> Sweet. >> Awesome. >> That is that is it. All right. I will entertain a motion to adjurnn.
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Make a motion. >> Thought he made the motion. >> I said I'll entertain the motion. >> Oh, I said so moved. >> Second. >> You have to make >> fully fully uh vocalize. >> Make a motion to adjurnn.
>> Should we share today's date? >> Thank you. >> Now you can second. >> All in favor? Third.