Okay. Town of Edison zoning board of adjustment regular meeting of May 13, 2025 is now in session. Adequate notice of this meeting as required by the open public meetings act of 1975. Has been provided by the annual notice published in the home news tribune on December
13th, 2024. as opposed to the main lobby of the missile complex on December 18th, 2024. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance to the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madam Secretary, roll call, please. Miss Shaw, present. Mr. AOT, here. Mr. Johnny here. Mr. Chabra here. Mr. Patel here. Mr. Schneider here. Mr. Det here. Mr.
Sedaran here. Vice Chair Gorman here. And chairman Gumba here. Thank you, Madam Secretary. Minutes for consideration. April 29th, 2025. Minutes for approval. What's the board's pleasure? Motion to approve the motion made by Vice Chairman Gorman. Second by
Mr. Sedata. Roll call, please. Mr. Tabra. Yes to the motion. Mr. Johnny, yes in motion. Mr. Schneider, yes to the motion. Mr. Patel, yes to the motion. Mr. Sedata, yes to the motion. Vice Chair Gorman, yes on the motion. And Chairman Kumba, yes on the motion. Thank
you. Okay. Uh, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We have one announcement. KZ13 20ou 2025 lake home renovations at 17 Gan Place will not be heard this evening. Uh, it was improperly noticed. Uh, it will have they will have to renotice to a later date required. If
you're here for this case, Z13 2025 Lake Home Renovations LLC at 17 Gan Place, it will not be heard this evening. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is a regular meeting of the Township of Edison Zoning Board of Adjustment. The board is comprised of Edison Township residents appoint appointed by the
Munipal Council who volunteer their time and service to the board. The Mispu land use law requires that members successfully complete a land use training course administered by the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs. The board also holds in-house training conducted by our board professionals. The zoning board abides by the
provisions of the mis land use law in addition to our board's bylaws. The zoning board is a quasi judicial land use board which differs from the township planning board. Under the misvalanius law, board members are required to be impartial and are not allowed to discuss any case prior to being considered at a hearing. All
applicants will have the opportunity to present present their case before the board along with the opportunity for board members and board professionals to question the applicant and their witnesses. At the conclusion of the applicant's presentation of their case, the case will be open to the public. Residents within within 200 ft of the subject property will be heard, followed
by residents from outside of 200 ft. All residents will be sworn in. They'll provide their name and address. They'll be given six minutes to comment on the application being considered without the opportunity for rebuttal. Residents may ask questions of the applicant. the applicants professionals and board professionals. The board requests that
these questions are asked prior to any commentary being made on the application. Once commentary begins, the resident's timer will begin. The applicant will be allowed the opportunity for cross-examination of their witnesses. Under the law, the chair is allowed to stop any commentary which is repetitive or an attempt to
filibuster the board. Further, the chair is allowed to stop any commentary that is irrelevant to the case or prohibited from the board's consideration. Once public portion is closed, all public comments are ended unless new testimony is presented by the applicant. Following the closure of the public portion, the applicant will have the right of
summation on their application. Following summation, the case will go to the board for decision. This procedure has been followed by the board and is similar to the procedures followed by boards of adjustments statewide. The munipal land use law requires the board to engage in a balancing act. Is not required to strictly apply township
ordinances, zoning plan, or master plan. As a board of adjustment, variances are granted when appropriately necessary following all legal considerations. As has been the case with fire prior boards, this board will see where we are at if we were still in session around 10:30 p.m. I ask that all applicants,
professionals, and residents show respect to each other and be civil throughout all proceedings. I ask that you withhold applause, booing, or interrupting of anyone while they are speaking. The chair will not tolerate any outbursts by applicants, professionals, or the public. Further,
since most cases are being recorded by a court reporter, I ask the speakers do not speak over one another. Madam Secretary, first case on the agenda, please. Case number Z14, 2025, Hannif Popal at 8 Charles Street. Applicant is seeking bulk variances to construct a new single
family dwelling. The following standards have not been met. Minimum front yard setback required is 25 ft. Proposed is 13.10 ft. Minimum sideyard setback required is 6 feet. proposed is 3.46 ft and minimum combined sideyard setback
required as 18 ft. Proposed is 13.7 ft. Affected property is located in the RB zone. Designated as block number 546.03, lot number 70.01 on the Edison Township tax map. All noticing paperwork is in
order. Is the applicant here? Pull the microphone closer to you. Pull the microphone closer to you. Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the whole truth? Nothing but the truth. Help you God. Yes, I do. Please state your full name for the record. Anal.
Good evening, sir. Good evening. Do you please tell the board what you'd like to do and why you'd like to do it? Okay. I also provided a small summary of uh my situation. Would you mind just before you start just bringing the microphone a little closer so we can pick you up? Thank you so much. Uh, no problem. I
provided a uh brief summary of what my situation was. I provided to the secretary. I don't know if you guys have a copy of that. We do. I can read it to you guys if you like. Okay. So, I'm writing uh this is basically to offer some clarification on my variance application for construction
on a small 600 foot ranch uh with pre-existing which is a pre-existing non-conforming lot. While the existing setbacks are uh remaining the same and the F is also under limits. Uh I also informed uh I was informed by the building department that the
construction changes to my approved application required a variance. The change that I had to make was to remove the uh remaining foundation due to it being inadequate to support the uh twotory structure. Uh keeping the old foundation without any footings which it
didn't have uh was a safety risk and could lead to failure. Uh I had already been approved by zoning and building, paid the required fees and uh started construction. Uh upon demolition of the uh rear side of the foundation, we noticed that the existing foundation could not be salvaged because it was
missing footings and thus uh could not hold the weight of the addition. Per instructions, we uh modified the plans to replace the old foundation to properly hold the new structure. But unfortunately, our work was uh halted by the construction department stating that I had to now apply for variance for the
work that was underway. Uh this unexpected delay was uh has been very costly to me and I set me back many months on completion. Uh I am committed to ensuring that all construction uh complies with township regulations. I kindly cons uh would like your
consideration allowing me to continue my construction. Okay. Is that your anything else you'd like to present? Um, no. So, basically my lot and many lots around my house are non-conforming. Um, the setbacks that
I'm applying for variance on are setbacks which pre-existed even with the ranch as it was. It was a small one-bedroom, one and a half bathroom house. So, I mentioned just 600 square f feet. I wanted to enlarge it. My lot is almost uh per requirement which is
7,500. mines is about five square ft short of that. Uh but the setbacks on the side yards and the uh and the total yards and the front yard uh weren't met even as it was. So I'm being uh asked to apply for variance in order to complete
uh the work. So out of the three variances, all three were pre-existing. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Does the board have any questions? Mr. Chairman, Mr. Dav, is this the original survey of the old house? Yes.
And you are keeping the same setbacks the way they are. Correct. And you have an approval for the demo and new construction from the building department. It wasn't considered new construction. It was an addition/ renovation. You were going to keep the old foundation and then kind of raise
it. No, but when you say renovation, it means you were keeping the old structure. If you're demoing up to the foundation, it's a new building. It's a new home. I wasn't aware of that. I was notified that if you demolish more than 50% of the structure that it is considered new construction. Um and I'm
So are you keeping 50% structure? No. So you completely removed the house. The foundation remains. The upper structure is removed. Foundation remains. The foundation is gone as well. You said it was not sufficient. You removed the foundation as well. I did not remove the foundation. When we had the inspector
come out to take a look at it, uh he noticed that the house, the old foundation didn't have any footings. So we're building a two-story structure. was a ranch. So, it wasn't going to be a So, who determined that the foundation is not sufficient? Your structural engineer, your builder or the architect?
The architect and the uh uh contractor. Okay. And you are removing the whole foundation. Yes. And putting a new foundation. Yes. Mr. Mr. Mr. David, Mr. Dav, we go back on record. Mr. Aat, are you in in agreement with Are you in agreement with
the applicants? All right. So, you realize that once the old foundation is gone, the old setbacks are gone as well. You can't just say that you are going to keep the old setbacks even though they are nonconforming. You realize that,
right? I guess so. Where the house stood is where I want to rebuild the house. Okay. Let me clarify. Once you remove more than 50% of the existing non-conforming structure, it loses its nonconformity. You remove the entire
home down to the foundation. Now, you have to start with the new setbacks and you have to conform to the to to the RB zone setbacks. That's why you're here, correct? Yes. Okay. So, it's a new home. In effect, it becomes a new house. Yes. It's not an addition and an alteration
to an existing foundation. Correct. It's a new home. So, that's where we're at. has to conform to the setbacks in the RB zone which are 6 feet uh 18 combined sideyard setback 25 front yard set back 30 rear yes 44
F 40% lot coverage and 23% building coverage correct all those coverages and the F is were under that just the the setbacks Mhm. Just because it's a narrow lot and most of the lots on the block are they are narrow. Correct. Yours is
not the only house in that area that's on a narrow lot. Yeah. But the other homes also came before the board. Um so just a little brief history on Charles Street that are on the size lots. Did you do any type of analysis or comparison that you present to the board
as to what similar setbacks are within your neighborhood? uh based on the analysis of the architect he he put that in the plans what the setbacks are and what our proposed are and if they meet or not. So what we what the board needs uh for our
consideration is is for the architect to be here to present this to present the analysis. So be it the architect or be a planner uh or an engineer we need we need some we need some testimony put on the record so as to meet the proofs uh for approval for this. My understanding
was that it's not a requirement and those that information is all on the list uh as we have it. I don't know if you guys have a copy of the plans but um the asterisks on m Mr. Papal I think what the board is trying to tell you is
that you have to satisfy certain proofs. This is now not an existing house. um the prior setbacks and all the other uh variances that might be required are now considered a new what we're trying to tell you and what I think the board is indicating is they need some proofs
proofs that you yourself may not be able to present um because it is a brand new construction it's a new single family dwelling and that is how the board is viewing it is um something that I think you should take under advisement and perhaps speak to your architect and have
professionals testimony that would provide um perhaps the board greater clarity on what they might be able to approve. Um because right now just because those were the prior setbacks once you remove the foundation it's no
longer pre-existing. You understand that right? Yeah. But the foundation is not totally removed. It still stands. But you still have a portion of the foundation removed. And as you just indicated to Mr. deveet that you've um you're taking you've basically
demolished more than 50% pretty much it's a single family new construction correct yes it'll be considered that after so under those circumstances you really do require some greater proofs than what you're currently able to
present um if you proceed today the board could vote if they vote not in your favor it could be a problem for you or you could come back and choose to come back and consult with your professionals and perhaps see what testimony is required because it is a new single family dwelling. Are there any type of
particular questions that you guys may have that uh perhaps I can satisfy? I can't advise you. I don't know if the board wants to I that's really not the board's job. It's your application. We're just telling you, you know, that the proofs
right now, what you're presenting, don't appear to satisfy the legal requirements the board has to consider. Okay. Was there a prior resolution on this matter to allow for um the
demolition addition? There was no prior resolution by this board, right? It was never before the zoning board. Okay. Okay. your decision, sir. Obviously, your opinion matters a lot. So, whatever is your advice, I would
like to This is our advice. So, we're giving you a second bite at the apple. Okay. Then I'll go go through that route if if it's recommended. Okay. All right. So, then we'll carry for another evening. Madam Secretary, if you think you can have the documents provided, we
can offer you June 17th to come back. Yeah. As soon as you can. Uh serious. Yeah, I asked if uh if an architect was required. Uh I didn't know he was. If if he was, then I certainly would have brought him. I thought it was straightforward because the lot was the house. We get it. We're going in circles
here. Yeah, we're going in circles here, sir. We already covered that. Okay. So, we we're going to need test we're going to need testimony from an architect. Okay. What type of testimony? Just to so I can uh specify to the uh architect. Your architect will know that he needs
to speak to the variances because you have not met your proofs for the variances you're requesting. Okay. All right. Okay. So, for anyone here present, for anyone listening at home, this case uh will be carried to June 17, 2025
uh with a meeting beginning here at 7 p.m. here in council chambers. Thank you very much. Good evening. Thank you. coming. Okay, I'm going to I have to recuse for the next application. Uh so uh the board will be in the trusted hands of uh vice
chairman Gorman. Let me see. Okay. All right. Rachel, next case. Case number Z. Case number Z15 2025. Michelle Campbell at
four fielding place. Applicant is seeking both variances to construct a new single family dwelling. The following standards have not been met. Minimum rear yard setback required is 60 ft proposed is 46.42 ft and max height permitted for a fence is 4T proposed as
6 feet. Affected property is located in RA zone designated as block number 557.04 lot number five on the Edison Township text map. All noticing paperwork is in order. Okay. Thank you. Good evening. Would you raise your right hand? Do you solemnly
swear or affirm to tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth? So help you God? I do. And state your full name for the record. Michelle Campbell. Okay. So I'm here tonight requesting um as Madam Secretary has asked uh rear yard setback and a front yard fence bulk
variances sought to construct a new single family dwelling at four place. The property is located at block 557.04. 4 lot number five in the RA zone. I have owned and resided at this property since July
1997. Um, so is there a preference as to which variance I should start with, the rear yard or the fence? Whatever you're comfortable with. Okay, I'll start with the rear yard. So, um, the rear yard setback required is 60 ft. Um, proposed
for the new build, the new dwelling is 46.42 42 ft. My existing home currently is at 50.20 ft. So this is a nonconforming lot. Um so first the difference what I'm asking
is 3.78 ft from my existing. Uh like I said this lot is non-conforming. The depth the minimum depth required in this zone is 150 ft and the average of my property is 122.83. as far as so it's a deficit of 27.17
feet from what is required um and as I stated this is nonconforming so therefore I'm here asking for a variance for the rear yard setback all the other setbacks are within the requirement
okay thank you any any board members any questions yeah Mr. Chairman, why do you need a six-foot fence up front? Well, I have an ingground pool, so you know, currently I have my my backyard fenced in. And as I
stated, I've lived here since 97. I would love the opportunity to enjoy my whole yard, you know, especially since my back is so short, my sideyards are bigger, and I do spend a lot of time outside. So the fact that I have the
inground pool and because of the short depth, you know, it probably will it will be a picket, you know, a metal picket fence. It won't be solid. So I would, you know, I would just prefer to have the six foot. As well as the fact that I do have larger dogs. I've never
had a 4ft fence. I just think it would be safer for them not for jumping. But really the the main reason is the pool. So all the three sides are wooden fence currently. Um so it's four sides. The
side and the back is a um chain length 6 foot with I have slats in them for privacy. They're six foot. Yes. Okay. And the front, you know, the front part of the fence, which is really the backyard is a sixoot. I've always had a sixoot. So they would be picket fence.
So you'll have the this would be a metal picket fence just so you know for visual lack of visual obstruction. Okay. And then the other reason that I kind of was doing this was um I wanted to have a gate for my driveway because it's a
people love FedEx. Everybody loves to turn in it. So when I decided to do the gate that's when I figured maybe it would be nice to kind of go to the you know full front. And currently you don't have any fence around just the pool. Just Yes. No, not just the pool like the
backyard is fenced in. Okay. But not you know the pool is within the backyard fencing. Oh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Anyone else, Mr. Chair? Um, so the picket fence will be the alongside the whole front edge of the house. Yes. Okay. You know, the the
front yard. Okay. All right. Thank you. Are there any other houses that have a a six foot fence in the front yard? Um the block across ne you know I'm on fielding. I don't know what the name is on Charlie Brown's block. They do have one there. People as people are building
they're putting them in. Do you have an address? Whether it's four feet or six feet. It depends. Their lots are very different. You know they are not as uh wide. They're deeper. So I don't know what's going on behind and you know what they require. But I just like I said,
it's mostly for the pool. That's the biggest reason. Either way, I want a fence in the front yard because I'd like to utilize when I'm in the backyard. I feel sort of like my front yard is isolated from the rest of my, you know, my property. So, I really want to enjoy the
whole thing. Especially that I do have the dogs. Like right now, I keep my fences locked. Like my both the gates I have, I keep them locked. that you have to because of the pool. Exactly. Exactly.
Do you have anyone else for testimony or? No. Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Go ahead. Um would it would it be considerable to not put the six foot fence in front of the house? Just put in front of the driveway possibly and just move it back a little
bit. Uh interesting. So right now my garage is in the front of the house, my existing home. We will be having the garages on the side of the house now. So
by doing that, that would make things more challenging to fence off, right? Because now the driveway instead of just being in the front yard. So now like side of the house, the fence comes when you have a driveway going down. I can't go across the middle of,
you know, I can't go across the middle of the driveway with a backyard fence. I definitely have to have a fence up because of the pool. Yeah. No, I understand. Like currently shows you have the pool, you have the sixoot fence existingly covering the pool. I get that. Um my only concern as uh Mr. Chair
previously mentioned, no one else on that road has a fence in the front yard. So that's why I was considering if you'd consider just putting it in front of the driveway alone, not the whole front edge. But then what would I do with the back? Because that's what I'm saying. Because now that the driveway is on the
side, then that means that the on if you're looking at the home on the left side of the house where the driveway is now the fence is going to have to be behind the driveway. Yeah. You're going to have to make it behind the driveway, which would be that's that's a lot of land that I'm losing. It's also the same 12oot setback variance that you're
requesting that your lot is lacking. So, it's going to have to be behind the driveway if you're going to go that approach. If I go six If I go six feet, I'm not talking about the fence. I'm saying because of your lot being short from the back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to have to move it behind
the asphalt driveway if that's the approach you want to take. Right. That's what I'm saying. If I don't go with the whole front yard fence if I'm not granted that variance. 4 foot is is allowed. Correct. Correct. It's just I'm requesting the six foot.
Right, Miss Aya. Four four foot is allowed. Yeah, four foot is allowed. So either way, I want to do the facts is what I'm saying. You know, people are, you know, homes are constantly being rebuilt in this neighborhood now. So, like I said, as homes are coming up,
things are changing. Like when I first moved into this neighborhood, nobody had a fence. So, that was like devastating to the neighborhood. But I had dogs and then I put the pool in and, you know, things changed. So, Just for the sake of an argument, other
peoples have dog as well and 4 foot fence is enough to keep the dog in the yard. Yes. Right. So that you're saying you need six because of dog. Sorry. Yes. But some people also have dogs that don't even have a fence. Right. I mean because I you know they you need a fence
because of the uniform because of the pool. Exactly. You don't need to put that fence around the whole property. You can be just limited to around the pool and that would satisfy the code. Yeah. But I right if I want my fence either way I'm going to have my yard fence. Okay. Whether I'm let you know
again if I'm I would love to be granted the extra additional two feet in the front because that's really what we're talking because either way I want to put a front yard fence. I want to utilize my whole land. I It would look odd to have a sixoot fence in front of the house. I
mean, the house that has it across the street behind on Charlie Brown's, I think theirs looks amazing. The six foot fence in front in front. Yeah. Yep. And he's got double He's got a U driveway. It's a huge house. Have you seen that? Have you
seen Do you have an address? I hear what you're saying. Oh, actually it was part it Well, I could tell you the street because they're on the 200 foot um radius, but I only had to um I only had to go to the first couple of actually char not Charlie Browns. I keep
saying Charlie's I'm in a touching country club. I apologize. Charlie Browns is gone now. But it was Oakrove Lane. It's on Oakrove Lane. But it's a it's a brand new it's it's a huge house. It's big.
But they have like a, you know, a U driveway. They've got two gated, you know, the driveways are both gated. Thank you. Anyone else?
Okay. Anyone within uh anything else for your testimony? That's it. All right. We're going to go out. Anyone within 200 feet? We would like to make a public comment. Anyone within 200 feet? Seeing no one, anyone further than 200 ft from the
property. Seeing no one made a motion to close the public session. Okay. Uh Mr. Chairman, I got to close it. All agree. Everyone all agree. I Okay. All right. Good. Mr. Chairman, I make a
motion to approve this application. It is a diminous request. It is not detriment to the neighborhood, not out of character with the neighborhood, and there are no objectors. Is there a second? Second. Is there a second? Second. Schneider.
Okay. Mr. Davey, uh, made the motion and Doug Schneider seconded. Roll call, please. Mr. Chabra, yes to the motion. Mr. Johnny, yes to the motion. Mr. Schneider, yes to the motion. Mr. Patel, yes to the motion. Mr. Dvet, yes to the
motion. Mr. Sedata, yes to the motion. And Vice Chair Gorman, no on the motion. I don't think a sixoot fence should be put there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. All right. Enjoy.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Okay. All right. Um All right. We're going to take a break. All right. Take a make a motion. going to go on a break. All right, we'll be on break. Thank
you. 3 minutes. All right, the board will return to session. Madam Secretary, next case on the agenda, please. Case number Z10 2025 Rita Meta at 14 out of bounds. Applicant is seeking bulk and use variances to construct an addition
to the first and second story home with a two-story garage to the existing single family. The following standards have not been met. Max F required is 15% proposed is 23.21%. Max lot building coverage required is 10% proposed is 12%. Max lot
coverage required is 25. Proposed is 38.57. Affected property is located in the RAA zone designated as block number 415, lot number 63 on the Edison Township tax map. All noticing paperwork is in order. Good evening, Mr. Sh. Good evening,
Bernard Shre and Shire on behalf of the applicant. Uh, Mr. Chairman, I just heard from our planner. He is not available this evening and I'm therefore requesting that the matter be adjourned without further notice. Uh, I understand the board has a meeting next Tuesday
evening. Uh it's a short application and uh I think we could finish it up that night. Dr. Yeah, we can carry him to the May 20th agenda. Okay. All right. So for anyone here present and for anyone listening at
home, this case Z10 2025 uh Rita Ma 14 out of bounds will not be heard this evening. It will be carried to Tuesday, May 20th, 2025 beginning at 7 p.m. here in council chambers. Thank you very much. You received a notice, you won't receive additional notice. This will
serve as your notice. Thank you, Mr. Sher. We'll see you next week. Okay. Okay. Now, um next we will go to close session. Madam Secretary, can you just read the notice close session? Sure. Can we just do the one resolution before? We didn't do the resolution. No. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Uh resolutions for
adoption. So, we have one resolution. Edison 687 developers for approval. What's the board's pleasure? Motion to approve. Sick. Motion made by Vice Chairman of Gorman, seconded by Mr. Patel. Roll call, please. Mr. Chabra, yes to the motion.
Mr. Schneider, yes to the motion. Mr. Debet, yes on the motion. Mr. Sad, yes to the motion. Vice Chair Gorman, yes on the motion. And Chairman Gumba, yes on the motion. Thank you. Madam Secretary, next we'll go into close session. If you could read uh the not close session.
Close sessions discussion of Aliwali notice of appeal litigation and to formally authorize board attorney one of the actions to be taken to formally authorize and response. Can I get a motion to go into close session? Motion to go into second session. Motion made by Vice Chairman Gorman, second by Mr.
Schneider. All in favor signify by saying I. I nay. The eyes have it. Board will adjourn to close session. Uh we will be back. Thank you. Can you get a motion return to public session? Motion to return to public session. Second. Motion made by Vice Chairman Gorman, second by Mr.
Schneider. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Oppos. Nay. The eyes have it. Um, can I get a motion for the result of close session? motion for to return from close session. No, we did that already. So, I just need to for
to authorize to authorize Okay, I I should try this. I haven't made one of these before. Um I'd like to make a motion to authorize um spending not to exceed $5,000 for the Do I have to specify the
case? Can you help me with that? So, yes. So it is um with regard to Masi Rawali the appeal for the Ali Wallally notice of appeal litigation to not exceed $5,000 in cost. I'll second. Motion made by Mr.
I'll be more prepared next time, chairman. Thank you. It's all right. We'll forgive you this time. Okay. Motion made by Mr. Schneider. Second by Mr. Roll call, please. Mr. Chabra, yes to the motion. Mr. Schneider, yes to the motion. Mr. Patel,
yes to the motion. Mr. Levy, yes on the motion. Mr. Sedatan, yes to the motion. Vice Chair Gorman, yes on a motion. And Chairman Ka, yes on the motion. Thank you. Go get him, Michelle. Madam Secretary, any further business come before the board this evening? That'll be all this evening.
All right, seeing none, can I get a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Second motion made by vice chairman of Gorman, second by Mr. Sedado. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Those nay. The eyes have it. Where stands adjourn. Thank you everyone.
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