Stand to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic which stands one nation indivisible and >> please keep standing uh for a moment of silence for 9/11 victims.
Okay. I'd like to call meeting of September 11, 2025 to order. This meeting has been properly advertised and posted in accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act to the state of New Jersey. The adequate notice
of the meeting was posted in the a Carver city on the ACRE city bulletin board on the AC Carver city website and not those were sent to the Hamilton Gazette and the press. Next on our agenda is roll call, please.
>> Mayor Dupetti >> here. >> Clark here. >> Dash >> here. Doby >> here. >> Galloway >> I'm here. >> Heist >> here. >> Hessie >> here. >> Kenir >> here. >> Timbers >> here. >> Right. >> Okay. Number four. Approved minutes for
August 14th, 2025. >> Second. >> Motion's been made and second. All in favor? >> I post. >> Motion passes. Uh number five is public comments for agenda items only. Is there
anyone wish to be heard on agenda items? Seeing none, we'll go to number six, the mayor's comments. >> Okay. Um so before I start my um report, I just would like to read a little bit
um a little bit of the uh speech that I had written. I changed it around a little, but so as you know, we have right in front of our building here, we're fortunate enough to have, for maybe some of you don't know, we have a piece of the um World Trade Center. And
we should all be really proud to have such an important piece of American history right outside our doors. Those of you um who remember Tom Msina, he was that was his goal to get a piece of the tower and he worked very hard along with
the American Legion and the VFW to get that monument. So as we walk by, we remember at least I do the events of September 7th or September um two n September 11, 2001 and how it changed
our lives in our country. As we look back now 25 years, we remember the horrors we watched on TV. The planes crashing and exploding, the Pentagon burning, people jumping to their death, and the massive Twin Towers crashing down, and countless people covered in
gray ash, fleeing for their lives. We remember the anger we felt when we saw our enemies celebrating and cheering as the towers came down. the hope we embraced when the American flag emerged
from the rubble and the unity we witnessed as our leaders held hands and sang God bless America today and in years to come. The message of September 11th will always be remembered and never forget. The lesson
will always be, "We have enemies that hate us and want to destroy us." The moral will always be, "Justice will prevail." As you pass by our memorial, remember those events that took place, commit
yourself to defend the ideals and values that unite us as Americans. As President Ronald Reagan warned, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. The enemies of freedom, those who are
potential adversaries, they will be reminded that peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it. We will not surrender for it now or ever
because we are Americans. >> Well done, Beth. All right. So, um, we had the opportunity, uh, Ryan Brian and I to meet with John, um, John Coolen with a potential buyer. I
don't know if I'm allowed to say the name or not, but he >> but he owns uh, blueberries. We'll just I'll just say he owns blueberries in Hamilton and he's very interested in the site. So hopefully we'll be able to
he'll be able to sell that property and we'll have another growery. It is cultivation. Um they were thinking at one time to do uh edibles or is it what do they call that? >> Processing. >> Processing. Yeah. But they have decided
to do a um the growery that what was the original plan. Um also I have a nice letter from that was sent to me from a resident well sent to the police department and then sent to me. I won't uh say the name or the
address but says to whom it may concern. Oh gosh my computer cut out half of it. Do you have it? Do you have it on your uh >> Go grab it? >> No, don't. Hold on. I think I can get on
my cell phone. Hold on. No, you know what? Go grab it and I'll I'll go through the report because I don't want to load everybody up. All right. So, we'll come back to that. So, the lake report that should give me enough time. Um this is the final report for the lake.
Um total number of badges and wristbands for the year were 10,315 at the amount of $121,270. Picnic tables of all prices 588
with a total of $33,870. Boat rides 263 with a total of $2,680. And the sales wound up at 157,820, which was $37,530 off from last year, mainly due to a very
poor um opening when we were just open on the weekends. It was very cold and windy. Nobody came out. Uh we had several days that we closed, more than several for rain. So, we're not doing too badly because I didn't spend all the
money in the budget. So, Jody will be happy about that. So, it should offset it somewhat. Um, we did get the campground payment one, two, and three. And I think there's a four coming, which I don't understand how, but I think it is. >> You're paying monthly.
>> Okay. So that total was $19,030 and total revenue for all uh operations is $176,851. So all in all we did very well. Okay. So since uh chief just gave me the
letter, I'm going to read that real quick. So it says to whom it may concern. We don't begrudge our fine neighbors to have part fun parties. Yet we are very grateful so many police officers showed up before 1000 p.m. to
peacefully disband the party. A million thanks as the number of people, alcohol, and late hour could have been a potential problem for the neighborhood. Thank you very much. Sincerely a resident. So kudos to the police
department. And that's just one small sample of what they do, but they're on it. You don't have to worry. Um, okay. So, there have been a lot of dogs roaming the neighborhood. So, we have decided that
we're going to put together a dog plan. Uh, the chief, Jerry, and myself will work on that. Um what we plan to do uh is educate residents through a campaign regarding safe secure dog ownership and walking
dogs in public and just refreshing them on the current ordinance pertaining to dog ownership. An effective safety deterrence will be included which would be if a dog approaches you, what you can do to um
get the dog to back off. So, we'll go over all that. We're going to communicate that information to the residents and specifically to dog owners and hopefully um we're going to look at the current um registrations and make
sure that their prop the registered dogs and make sure that their properties are are properly secured for the dog because that's how it seems these incidents happen. the dogs either get under the fence or around the fence or the fence is open or whatever.
So hopefully we'll get to that point where we have enough help in the code enforcement off office office to do that. We would like to also initiate a dog ownership survey and register any dogs that are not currently registered. Many people don't realize that they do have to register their dogs. And Jackie,
I know you told me how many registrations we have. >> I think we're like 54. >> Okay, 54. And I could tell you that there's many more dogs in a Carver than 54. And why is that important? Because just today we had a dog at the community
school um and it didn't have a a license. If if it has a license, we can identify the owner. It wasn't a vicious dog. He just was just hanging out, you know, sitting peacefully at the community school. And um we don't know
who he belongs to. Did you find out? So, >> and he's a sweet dog. a sweet little dog and he was just sitting there like a poor puppy, poor lost puppy. Um, so we really have to do this. So, and then the administrator, he'll look at our
ordinance and and along with Chris and um recommend any changes that we need to keep people safe. >> I'm drafted already. >> Okay, good. Uh, we had a we have a Eagle Scout project that has been completed. I don't know if those of you reme anybody
remembers we had a um Eagle Scout who wanted to preserve the Clark's Landing. Ryan, wait till you see the bridge. >> Did you you didn't did you see the pictures? >> I haven't seen >> Jody has them. Sure. >> So, I'm going to pull the pictures up
and you can see what what was done. And if any I'm sure there's people here that know what it looked like. I I Ryan and I personally witnessed it. Nearly lost our lives. fell >> and got soaking wet trying to cross the bridge that was there. So, that's the
new bridge. I don't have a before or after, but that that is a big improvement as to what was there. So, um Dick, you're here. Do do you want to talk about the uh the uh grave that's there? Do you want
to mention anything about it? It's Clark's Landing. It's the Clark's grave. Wolves get want to pull up the grave site, Jody. >> Okay, you can. >> Do you want to tell them? >> Chief, you want to tell them?
>> You want to talk about the club? >> I don't know anything about it. >> Wow, I'm shocked. >> Okay, so if I if memory serves me, Nette, do you know anything about it? >> No. Okay. So, inside that box there or
it's not showing up on >> it's not Hold on. I can >> hold on. >> Okay. So, in the middle of that box is a old old grave site I think from the 1700 >> 1600s of the Clark family.
>> How old were they? Yeah, [Music] >> we can't we can't reveal exactly where it is, but it's somewhere over there in the woods at Clark's Landing and it was damaged at one point in time by what was
it, Ryan? A storm or something. Do you remember? >> Somebody they said somebody took it at some point. >> Oh, yeah. It was vandal. Yeah, they broke it in half. some point 50 or 40, 50 years ago, they sort of cast it a concrete um or around it just to keep it all together and intact in one place.
>> Okay. So, so hopefully this will help keep it safe. And I think a gray from the 1600s is just simply amazing and deserves to be safe. And the last thing, just to know how important boy scouts are, we did have a
uh we have another potential e Eagle Scout candidate, our clerk uh our clerk, Angela Fogan. Her son is a candidate for Eagle Scout and he's working on his his uh badge and he just did a nice cleanup
at the lake. So Jerry, your guys will be happy about that. >> Yeah. >> So hold a lot of traffic. >> Rarely do they get h Yeah. And that's sorry if I was long. >> Thanks. >> All right. Thank you.
Next we have Nette for >> sustainable for cemetery and for property. >> Okay. Um well we did have a cemetery meeting but I'll let the girls talk about that. They're interested. Uh last
night we had uh Doug Palamy came to Cedar Creek High School and did his presentation on the nature of oaks. It was very well attended. We had about 125 people there. Uh most of them were from out of town, not as many from a Harbor
City. And unfortunately we didn't have any kids there and they have an environmental magnet at the school. So we got to work on that. Um, and uh that's all I have for for sustainable. Uh, we didn't have a um parks and
playgrounds meeting, but I'll discuss this in part of property. Um, we're going to be rededicating the peace pilgrim statue on Sunday, September 21st at 100 p.m. Uh, 21st is the
International Day of Peace. Uh, the statue has been cast in bronze. It was um will be picked up tomorrow and be brought to Egg Harbor City on Monday and we'll have the week to install it. Um it
looks really good. Looks exactly like it did last time and it's metal and >> well yeah sort of I guess it can all over I guess. Uh but it'll be um they
call it French brown so it'll be a bronzy color. That's so ter and that's all I have right. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh next we have Councilwoman Hassie with safety code
enforcement. >> I have nothing safety uh code enforcement. I'll leave to Jerry and Rotary. I just wanted to say that uh we're collecting uh if you haven't noticed out there the bin in the uh lobby here across from the um clerk's
office. Uh we haven't been there to collect gently coats and hats and gloves until uh November 8th. Um and they will be donated to the uh rescue mission, Atlantic City Rescue Mission, as they do every year. And um just to mention the
Halloween parade um it will be held on October 24th and um that's all I'll say about the Halloween parade. It's listed. It's a little too early yet. And that's um that's pretty much it. >> Okay. Next we have the Thank you. Next
we have council members or um >> license ordinance and >> uh nothing report for license and ordinances. Um I already have nothing
report at this time. um um land use there was a meeting um however I'm going give the report on that meeting and next week's next week's meeting at our next meeting. >> Okay,
>> that's it. Thank you. Councilman Doy, >> uh I have nothing to report. I'll defer to Jerry when he does the report on public works um manager and city administrators.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Councilwoman Clark for school board. >> Uh for school board uh there are a couple of events coming up tomorrow. Stud will be having their fall fest uh from 5 to 8:00 p.m. Uh there is a $5 entry and it's uh different activities
for the family. Uh, Saturday the 13th is varsity day for all fall sports. So, it will be at the school starting at 9:00 am. Uh, September 18th is the Sprag back to school. September 25th is the
community day uh the community school back to school night and uh both of those days are going to be 1250 dismissals for the children and also on the 25th is the back to school night at Cedar Creek starting at 6:30. >> Okay. Thank you. Councilwoman Heis, do
you have anything to add to any of these reports? >> Nothing. >> Councilman Dash? >> No, I have nothing. >> Good. Thank you. I just have u two things. One is tax collectors monthly report for the month of August, we took
in 2,379,5732. And for the year we're at 8,470,18064. And I just want to add that uh I was away for a little while and we have some meetings coming up that uh all the things that we've been working on uh with the redevelopment and the finance
committee uh to move them forward. And I was told today that one of the properties that we've been looking at was sold and there's a new owner. That's the shift property on Mc by Gateway West and we're looking to meet with that
person as soon as we can. So, um we'll see what happens with those. There's there's a lot of irons in the fire right now and we're waiting for, you know, the Weisspacker property being torn down was a a step in the right direction, but we want to start building things and not
terrible happen even though there's probably some other buildings to be torn down in town. So, u all those things are being looked at. I commend that Jerry gave us a really good report on code this this past month and uh progress
that's been made there. And I commend everybody in the department. >> Okay. Number >> can you clarify what the shift property is? >> Yes. The where the better built doors. >> Better better open doors. Thank you. >> And that one property I think is owned
by somebody else where they just remodeled it on the corner near Hamburg Avenue. >> Graphy Fix. Rafy Fix. It used to be >> Yeah. And there's a problem back there which the D is aware of. There's a big problem. >> Contamination.
>> Thank you for that. >> Okay. Thank you. Number eight is the chief of police report. >> Okay. Since we last met uh August 14th, let me give you some numbers. Uh we've had one burglary involved,
three reports, one sold April 11, 15, 11 pedestrian stops, 53 traffic stops, uh 34 summones issued, 18 arrests, six
business alarms, one residential alarm, 171 crime crime prevention activity, seven domestics, 53 EMS incidents, three firearms, ID applications, four follow-up support2 property checks, 15 public service calls. Um some things
that we've been involved in with back to school events. Both Strive and Community School had their um summer back to school uh events. Um so we were there at those on August 20th. We had a community walk that was put together by the
coalition for a safe community, the attorney general who to harbor city here. So he got to see a bit of our town. Um, we have a book bag giveaway. One of our former residents, Kale Graves, has a
foundation where we had selects book bags and we gave away quite a few book bags at Q on August 27th was a wonderful evening. Um, lots of fun. Uh, so we include that. Um, upcoming things that we will we will be involved in. As
Councilwoman Clark mentioned, tomorrow is Fall Fest for the fourth year in a row. The Edward City Police Department and the Ableton Town Police Department will be doing a a ride out there. It has been quite popular. So, uh, we were out
there and we have a good time. Um, Jody made fun of me because I ordered from Amazon some popsicle sticks and some glittery markers. That's how we keep uh the kids honest because they line up and people like to cut in the line, but if you don't have the popsicle
stick, you don't get to be on the wagon. >> Like there must be a reason you need >> for community policing. >> So, um so so we got that going on tomorrow. So, a big thank you to retired Chief Sam Rome from Hamilton Township
who secures us the wagon to attach to one of our trucks each year. Um, and it's wonderful that he still likes to be involved with it even though he has fire. Um, so we have that. Um, next week, September 17th, on Wednesday, we will be resuming our community cares
event at the Mian Park. That's the event where we do food giveaways um that are prepared by uh warm food prepared by the pickleilly. Um, New Jersey State Police are out there. Uh, the operation rise giving away Narcan. New Jersey courts are out there helping with expungement
information. So, anybody who has any questions about expunment, they do on-site expungements. They can help you with on-site expungements. They will be able to direct you to the port where you can um get information as to what you need to do. Um we are out there as well
for food and clothing. So that is there on at Lincoln Park 11 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. next Wednesday 17. Um some things that we had going on the um traffic cares
initiative that was the county task force continued on through August. We had two other uh two other initiatives. one the day that we were here on our last council meeting, then another one on August 26
or 29, I forget the exact date. Um it turned out to be a very very successful initiative. So much so that um we the county chiefs of police were addressing and potentially looking to expand that county task force to address the issue
of ebikes um and micromobility issues. So, I know that there was a an email thread going through some council members regarding ordinances. Um, please know that we as county chiefs are addressing it um on a county level to
keep the any potential ordinances sort of similar while addressing the different needs of each municipality so that if there are municipalities with bike paths or different areas that at least some of the language will remain similar. So that if you are traveling
from area to area. There aren't rules that are changing from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. So, as soon as we have some of that, we actually just had um a mock or a draft version of a resolution that the chiefs have come up with that
we are reviewing. Um just sent that out today for everybody to review amongst the chiefs. So, we will hopefully be sending that out to our respective um jurisdiction. uh soon to take a look at to hopefully start implementing. Um but
I did want to share that with you. So that we are addressing the the that uh issue. Uh but we do have different concerns in different areas. We're not bringing team. We're not linguid. Um where it's narrowly kids who are riding
the ebikes. We have a different uh demographic that are riding the ebikes. So we may have to attack it a little bit differently. Um, but taking that all in consideration. So, that's what we've got. I did want to also let you know, um, this is going to be very vague and
I'm sorry, but I can't tell you more, but I do want to let you know during the summer of 2025, the state police crime suppression south unit with the harbor city police and the Bureau of Alpha involved back and firearms, the ATF, um, conducted an investigation into the
possession of weapons and the il illegal distribution of weapons. Throughout the investigation, it was learned that two residents of Egg Harbor City were involved. As a result of the investigation, court ordered search warrants were authorized at two residents in Egg Harbor City. Two
residences in Egg Harbor City. The court order search warrants were executed on August 20th. All individuals involved in this investigation were charged accordingly and pending court proceedings. Um, I can't give you more information. That's all I can give you.
When I can't give you more, I will. But I wanted to let you know that, you know, we are we're doing things. So, you know, that's what we've got. Any questions, concerns? >> You want to talk about the memorial that we unveiled? I forgot.
>> We did have an opportunity this evening um to unveil the first responder uh memorial. It is quite beautiful. A lot of people put a lot of hard work into into it. uh the MPP um the uh stakeholders there, council, the EDC, um
Karen Adams put a lot of work into it. Uh the Lindberg Foundation was integral in getting the funding for that. It is on the White Horse Pike. Um along the White Horse Pike, it has all of the first responder uh badges etched into it. The ambulance squad, the fire
department, the police department, and then the city seal above a beautiful etching of the corner of Philadelphia Avenue and the white horse pike uh with the old firehouse and some very old vehicles. So, probably over a picture over a hundred years old. Um, and it's a
beautiful tribute, a beautiful piece of stone with beautiful etching and and it's, you know, rightfully deserved. While we were out there, we did have an opportunity to say a few words. Um, first responders are, you know, they're important, but again, one of the things
that I stress is that we can't do it without all the family members and the supportive community. So, again, I I'd like to reiterate thank you to my family members if they put it in me. Um and you know for for everybody else uh families who you know
share us with them you know missing holidays and special events things sort. So it's beautiful. Um thank you to anybody who had the idea to put that out there to honor us. It's greatly appreciate it. So thank you. That's what
we've done. Anybody else? >> Anybody else? No. Thank you, chief. >> Okay. Number nine on our agenda is CFL. >> No report. Uh number 10, city clerk. >> Um as um Councilwoman Galloway
mentioned, we did have a cemetery meeting. Just went over the usual business of the cemetery. Nothing. We have some plans possibly to build some first niche walls, open another section. Uh all in the works. So Ryan prepared a
plan for us. We were looking to do more like a master plan to not just move around milly willy if that's it. Um come up with a plan and that's what we're working. >> Great. Thank you. Number 11, city administrator.
>> Thank you. Um September 29th is the first day of the new trash and to uh distribution. uh the company that uh contracted with ACUA will be distributing the totters directly to the properties. Um in
addition to that, when there are issues, uh you'll be able to contact me at 609-9650081 and pick option two or extension 115 and I or Ray or Johnny or Tyler or anyone at DPW will handle any issues. Um, we are
currently developing a fenced in area that will be secured uh because we do keep our yard open for brush drop off and things of that nature. Uh, but we want to make sure that it's not one of those help yourself type of situations for our extra cans. And our electronics
have been um significant this year. Uh even though we've picked up once or twice, most of the people who dump the electronics will bring the electronics, we've had to empty the container three times this year so far. Wow. >> So there's a lot of electronics being recycled, which is really great. Um
other than that, it's all status quo at DPW. Things are going really well. >> The um we are in contract to sell Rex Power Plus. uh it got in like a bidding war and amazing that that happened and
it was uh we got I think 15 or 17% over asking price so worked out really well. Uh October and November will be tree planting months. Uh we um hopefully will award a contract this evening for 200
trees um we planted throughout the city in the city rightways. Uh Nette has provided me quite a few locations and I'm still working on a few more. I will meet with the contractor if approved this evening. I'll meet with the contractor in two weeks to get that
going. Trees are not dug out of the ground yet. They need to start to shut down before they get dug at the nursery. So this will be mostly October and November. Um we've removed 140 dead trees throughout the city with our grant. Um, and now
we're turning over to pruning, uh, elevation pruning so that we can address some of the issues that our fire trucks have throughout the the city. Uh, so they'll be going up and down each street, uh, doing elevation pruning and deadwood hazardous permit. Uh, so that's
that's really important. Um, for the fire trucks, we've had a couple of firefighters talk to me and others about it. Regarding the code department, our code compliance actions have increased 67% this year, the amount of red cards
that have been issued has doubled from the same period ending in August of 2025. Code related investigations has increased 40%. Zoning issues that have been reviewed are up 50% from last summer to this
summer. and Miss Donna, the office manager and land use secretary, has collected more than $30,000 in the first half of this year compared to last year. So, they're really booming over there and they should be um
commended for all the hard work. Uh that's really it. Last thing is uh a day like today, I think about my brother Frankie. My brother Frank was a New York City police officer whose tenant assigned to the emergency services unit
on 911. He responded to um the towers and um survived but was crushed uh in his truck. Um and uh he lives uh with his um wife and kids and his in-laws. I
don't know why the in-laws are there. Um, and the in-laws in Wilmington, North Carolina right now, uh, and he does well, but a day like today, um, makes me think I could have lost my brother, but they didn't. So, it's pretty great. >> That's it.
>> Jerry, can I ask you, um, the flyers, when are they supposed to go out? >> They went out. >> They did go out. >> Yeah. So, they went out. So, they're >> Everybody should be mail. >> Kim, I didn't go first class. I went standard. Try to save a little money. >> So, Are you sure? >> Yeah.
>> Right. So, and then we did I did email we had 220 >> uh on my BBC list for landlords. So, that went out. So, landlords are calling already trying to get whatever they can out of me. >> I did I did see somebody contacted us about if they don't want them, what do
they do? >> No problem. I'm sure they have a message for me. I'll make sure they don't get them. >> Yeah, that's no problem. Yeah. >> J, I have a question off by us. I guess it was the county. They came out and pruned the trees along the roadway.
>> It looked like Edward Scissor Hands on a really, really bad day. >> Yeah, >> it was. >> His name was Dennis. >> I don't know what his name was, but he was really angry. It was It's horrible. It's absolutely If you look at those trees going down the side of the road,
it was horrible the way he just went down that road. Like, they weren't even straight. Some of them were real far in. Some of them were It was just >> Yeah. Unfortunately, that's been their process for a long time. >> I've never seen it done. Have you ever seen it done like that?
>> No, it was >> it was like that. He came I went down and he came home from work and said, "What happened to the trees?" And I'm like, "It was just I don't know if it's a different guy that did it, but he went down like he I don't know if you know somebody spit his Cheerios that morning,
whatever it was, but he was an angry man that day. And those trees look like they're never going to come back the way he he went down there. >> So So typically they do, but >> I don't used he used the the the brush on the arm. Just
>> he just ripped through them like he was just >> mad at mad at the world. It was just >> There's no finesse. There's no finesse. >> No, he just went down. Well, there was no rhyme or reason for why he did it the way he did it. And it just made it look
so unattractive and it made it ugly. Yeah. Basically, >> I I don't get down there all the time. Kind of like the lady. >> Nobody gets down there all the time. >> So, I'll I'll look at it. >> Me and your head that way. I'll take a look at it.
See if there's any touchup that they need to do. Kind of maybe make it a little bit more. >> Yeah. It was bad. Did you see it, M? Did you get a sip? >> Yeah. as the former assistant director of public works in the county used to get those complaints all the time. >> Yeah, it was bad like and I've never and
we've lived out there for 30 years and I've never seen >> I just thought possibly not the right equipment, you know. >> I just thought he was really angry and I was glad I wasn't standing there when he went by. That's how bad it was. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I'll tell you a story. All fine.
>> Anything else for Jerry? >> Good. Thank you. Number 12 was city attorney report. I don't have anything. Okay. Number 13 is motion to approve use of city property for the archway green for movie night and September
report. >> I skipped >> I think it was forgot. Sorry, I missed. >> Can't forget. >> I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> All right. Yeah. Right. Try to skip. I mean, I handed it out. >> Now, um, so number one on both sides of
the page, uh, are both done. It's the Archway Green and Weisspacker demo. Um, Archway Green, there's still some punchlift stuff, but I think overall it came out great. >> Yeah. >> Um, and then Weisspecker, um, they just flew through, got it down, and made the site look, you know, as presentable as
you can for you can't really do much with it. Um, so they submitted their payment application for less than what the bid was. So looks like we'll save a little money and it's done. >> Can you just comment on we've had people fall if we own Weisspeckers? >> We do not.
>> Yeah. So the Weisspecker property is still privately owned. Um, from what I recall from a discussion with the tax clerk, it went to tax sale numerous times. A few people bought it not realizing there was an environmental case and then just, you know, didn't pay the taxes. Um, so it's still privately
owned. Uh again, we've gotten the guidance from D to just let them clean it up. They'll continue to clean it up at at their own expense placing leans on the property and then when they're done, we can foreclose on it and dis dispatch the leans and take the property with clean tight essentially. So, um I know
it's frustrating, but if we don't wait for them to go through their process, we're going to be on the hook for the rest of the cleanup and probably not be able to do much with it anyway and have to pay for. So, we just wait, you know, we get it free and clear. So, >> right. Is there any way they can maybe put like a little fence or something to
working on that? >> Yeah. >> Oh, are you okay? >> It'll be It'll be similar to what they did at at NPP did at the Archway Green. It won't have the columns, of course, but it'll have that black that black broad iron. Yeah. >> And we won't be on the hook if we just do that because that's on our property.
>> Yeah. You can do it at the back edge of the sidewalk and just pull to the sidewalk. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then and then if however whatever the progress is there when they start excavating and cleaning it up, we'll just remove that and maybe use it someplace else. It's all bolted together so it's easy to put up and take down. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Can I ask about the back of the property because people are parking there? >> Back which property? >> The Weisspecker property. >> I mean it's a privately owned property. >> Well, we're not going to put a fence in the back. Keep people off of it. >> No, I wasn't going to discourage or
encourage people to park there. focus. >> Yeah. And uh originally we had intended to pave the back of the archway green property, but um >> we had lots of competition requirements that just sort of made that impossible. So I believe Jerry had a plan to sort of address that area too. Yeah.
>> But that's why we didn't do anything part of the project. >> And I had one other thing. Someone had brought it to my attention as far as putting like to Jared Ballard or something to make sure that nobody will come through Archway Green. Mhm. >> So that's that's something. >> Our magnolia trees help a little bit
with that, but they'll have to be something which will be decorative type of things, >> especially with everything that's going on. Yeah. You know, around. >> We'll add something to it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um so next on the front page of the list is Buffalo Avenue. Um we got
approved from DOT. It's out to bid right now. Uh we'll be bid opening on the 23rd to award it to meeting on the 25th. We'd like to get that that worked on this fall if possible. Um campground ID improvements. We're scheduled to talk to the finance commission and our meeting up there on the 17th. So no more coming out of that. Um the city hall 88
improvements, we need DCA approval to bid. We're trying to advertise that as soon as possible. Um so we can get that award and get the money spent in October at least uh a portion. Um L Pedestrian, we're still just working through permit process and and access agreements. Uh P
or the New Orleans Avenue subdivision, another one we got to talk to Pelines about. We should have had approval months ago, still don't. uh the IB stormware project, you guys adopted the bond. Um so I believe we need to reach out to DP at this point because we submitted for environmental review um in
time for funding last year and I just didn't have the bandwidth to deal with it. So we had to circle back with them and get that process restarted so we could get uh moving back towards constructing. >> So you need help just because they did it the others down the street. >> Yeah. Thanks.
>> Yeah. >> Well, it's Yeah, that's good. And then we have the tech assistant. Yeah, we can talk about that. Um, and then construction dtory street, the section between brain and Baltimore. Uh, we have plans into DOT. We already responded to the one round of comments. Um, they kind of changed the way they do their reviews lately, so we've been seeing like two,
three, four rounds of comments sometimes. So, we're hoping it doesn't go that far, but we already responded to the first round. So, be addition. Um, the back side is really just um keeping apprised on things that aren't really projects necessarily or things that we're doing, but that are going on
involved in. Um, K fields. Uh we got a meeting with the pylons to talk about all the outstanding violations that they're considering there how it can move forward. Um pickle ball courts are done. That'll probably drop off the list next time. Uh the brownfield sites we are preparing HSRF applications um so
that we can do the investigative work there and I believe that we're working on moving forward with developer on one of them. Um master plan we need to sort of develop some recommendations and circle back to to try to move that forward. >> I'll get that. I'll get 14. Okay. Um the
redevelopment study for the north subdivision area. Um again there was a redevelopment plan but it was based on the city laws designation as an area development or I'm sorry area need rehabilitation. We needed to do that u area needed redevelopment study so that we could u consider the plan that way
instead of as area need rehabilitation. So that has pretty much worked its way through uh both here and the plan board. Um same thing avenue landfill. did the portion at the planning uh planning board in the last meeting. Um so should be able to have the developer ready for
that to engage with developer. >> You know what I mean? Separate from the >> okay meeting. Okay. >> Um and then the last thing was just I'm going to leave on here for probably some time is Philadelphia Avenue the summary
of the county's schedule to replace the bridge and construct Philadelphia Avenue and uh like that. So I follow that directly. But >> so I have a question Ryan on the master plan re-examination. I did send you a copy of the strategic plan.
>> I did not get a copy of the master plan that you did to review, but did you add that? >> Yeah. So there we had talked about like that the the butterfly witness a couple other things added. A couple other things are all going to be hopefully in >> right. >> But I'll I'll resend. We had we had
distributed a draft a little while ago. >> Yeah, I don't I I think I might have commented on that, but I didn't see the final copy. >> Is the energy plan in here? >> Energy plan is by reference >> and um
well, we need to address the trees in in the master plan. >> Okay. Do you have a a separate report that we have incorporated? >> We haven't talked about it because, you know, we're going to need an ordinance. >> Okay. eventually. >> But we do the we do have the the plan the C
MP. >> Yeah, that's almost finished. >> Community CF CFMP >> community. I reviewed my site. So >> I I had some changes and it I want to put some things in there. So we need to talk about that. >> So So we have a community forestry management plan that just finished for
us. Yes, we've reviewed it >> and it's very good couple. Good job. >> Cool. >> So we can add that element right there. Yeah, I mean we'd speak to it in a paragraph or so and then just incorporate by reference. Okay. >> So, what's the timeline anticipated timeline for that >> for the master plan? I mean, it's it's there's a little bit of back and forth
that needs to happen, but um I mean I >> Yeah, I was going to say I don't see any interviews could happen by the end of the year or early at the beginning of next year. >> And I have another thing, Ryan, on the city hall ADA improvements. We talked about this before that we actually have to spend the money somewhat or get into it
>> in order to apply for the next small cities grant. Are you going to be on charge for that? >> We're still trying to award uh at the next meeting on the 25th, but um we have to wait. We have a DCA for who plans and specs the certain funding agency. So I'll be talking to try it.
>> Are you talking to Stefania tomorrow? >> Uh so there's there's two different people. She's on the like getting the grant side and then there's people on the execution side. So it's not Stefania, but it's people that she works with that work on that side. >> Okay. So you think it's going to happen that we're actually going to spend start
spending money. >> Yeah, we should definitely be able to start spend >> Okay, because recall we agreed that the next small cities grant was going to go to improve do improvements at the library. So, we can't do that if we have three grants still open till >> Yeah.
>> library or senior? >> Oh, no. We got the senior the senior center's open. This is open and the lakes's open. >> So, it's it's nearly impossible to get another grant if you haven't spent any money. And we haven't spent any money. I think the oldest one's one of the later. >> Yeah.
And then on the um I know you mentioned it on your report, but the uh New Orleans Avenue new subdivision, you still haven't gotten anything on that. >> No, it's on our It's on the list. >> I know it's on your list, but >> yeah, I mean, we talked about it in February or March. They said it would be it's the two meeting cycle. They said
essentially it was up for approval at that meeting and it should get by. >> Okay. There's five or six issues on Wednesday that we have to discuss. I think so. >> That's I don't have anything else. Thank you. >> Ryan, I just wanted to ask you about uh WAWA
>> and the we we did release the monies right to them because they were supposed to have everything done. I can't recall that we called that. >> Yeah. I went through this a little bit of history with Jerry. Um, we actually held the performance bond until January of this year and they had imposed a
2-year maintenance guarantee from that date January 25th until that. So, we still have on site. Um, we I mean I mentioned the trees to them about point of January. That wasn't really appropriate time to plan. So, but they definitely they could do it, but we
still have them on the hook for another year and three four months. So, it's not the bond didn't expire. We still have Yeah, we still have leverage to get them. We have leverage. >> There's money there. Yep. >> Does someone talk to them about it or do they just do it? >> Not yet. It came up with me because I
was locating trees, tree planting spots and I know that so I can't put the trees along Philadelphia Avenue. They're going to put the trees where on their property, right? >> So I need to That's why that's why I got into it with with >> You can't put the trees on Philadelphia
Avenue. No, because because their their trees are going to conflict with our trees. So, I need them to put their trees in. >> I'm not going to put trees. >> That right away is huge. That planting strip is like 20 ft wide,
>> but they're so their trees nowhere near the sidewalk. >> Yeah, they're they're trees are just on the back side of the sidewalk. So, their attend out to about their on their property above the BM. I thought they had some just off the sidewalk. I'll have to look back and
see. >> Yeah, that's what I remember seeing, too. So, it's it's fine. We have extra spots, so if we can put them in, but >> Well, that's one of the hot spots was identified in the uh heat island assessment. >> Yeah. But my point was I I'd rather have them put their trees in the replacement
trees that died instead of us spending, you know, grant money on our for the illustrates where they owe us trees, right? So, >> we'll figure it out. Thank you. >> Sure. >> Anything else for Ryan? >> Okay. Thank you, Ryan.
>> Thank you. >> Now, we'll do 13. >> Uh motion to approve use of city property archway Green Movie Night in the park September, October, November, December 7 to 9. And then first responder park
uh for the dedication on October 28th at 5:00 p.m. So move. Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Motion passes. Okay. Number 14 is the resolution
awarding the contract for tree planting services street trees. >> Motion secondary. >> Motion's been made and seconded. Questions on the motion? >> All in favor? >> Yes. Dash? >> Yes. >> Doy?
>> Yes. >> Galloway? >> Yes. >> Heist? Yes. Hessie? Yes. >> Kener. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. Number 15. Resolution for County Rock Salt Award. >> Is there a motion? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second.
>> Motion made and seconded. >> Roll call. >> Clark. >> Yes. >> Dash. >> Yes. >> Doy. >> Yes. >> Galloway. >> Yes. >> He keer. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. Number 16. Resolution 100% totally disabled veteran tax
exemption case number 2025-1 effective August 1st 2025. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion's been made. Seconded. Roll call, please. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Dash, yes. >> Dovy, >> yes. >> Galloway, yes. Heist, >> yes. >> Hessie, yes.
>> Kener, yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. Resolution passes. Number 17, authorizing shared service agreement with Atlantic County Utility Authority. >> Is there a motion? >> Make a motion. >> Second.
>> Motion's been made. Second. Questions on the motion? >> Roll call. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Dash, yes. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Galloway, yes. >> Heist, yes. >> Pessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Resolution passes. number 18 resolution
to knock out opioid abuse debt. >> Motion second. >> Motion been made and seconded. All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Resolution passes. Okay. Number 19 is a public hearing of
ordinance number 13-25 amending chapter 120 the code of a harbor city concerning construction codes uniform to update general construction code fees and building sub code fees in accordance with the New
Jersey Department of Community Affairs codes and standards. Is there a motion? >> Make a motion. >> Second. Questions on the motion? Roll call. >> The public hearing. You open public hearing.
>> Motion to open the public hearing. >> They did. >> Anybody from public? >> Anybody? First call. Anybody from the public? >> No. >> Second call. >> Motion to close it. >> Motion closed. Second.
>> Second. >> Motion made a second. Okay. Roll. Motion to adopt. Sorry. Motion to adopt. That's right. >> Make a motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion's been made. Second. Roll call. >> You got it. Clark.
>> Yes. Dash. >> Yes. >> Doy. >> Yes. >> Galloway. >> Yes. Heist. >> Yes. >> Hessie. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> We got a lot on here for practice. >> Okay. So number 13 passes and it will be
advertised motion notice of adoption in the hammering gazette on September 7. >> Okay. Number 20 public hearing ordinance number 14-2025 amending chapter 213 of the code the
city of a Carver concerning vacant and abandoned properties. >> Is there a motion to hold a public hearing? >> Make a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? I >> Okay, public hearing is open. First call.
Second call. >> Seeing none. Is there a motion to adopt? >> Close the public. >> Make a motion. >> I did. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Motion to adopt.
>> Make a motion. >> Okay. Motion. Roll call. >> Clark. >> Yes. >> Dash. >> Yes. >> Doy. >> Yes. Galloway. >> Yes. >> Heist. >> Yes. >> Pass. >> Yes. >> Kener, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> And that will be also noticed in the Hammock Gazette on
September 17th. >> Okay. Number 21, public hearing ordinance number 15-2025 amending chapter 262 of the code of a Carver City concerning junk and abandoned vehicles. Is there a motion to hold public hearing?
>> Make a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? I >> opposed. Okay. So, public hearing is open on ordinance number 15. First call. >> Second call. >> I have something.
>> What's that? >> I said I have something. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Um, okay. So, subsection 2611 in the definitions. It say does not have a current license plate or registration. How will law enforcement officials determine if a vehicle has a place in
registration if the vehicle is parked on private property and safe vehicle has a fitted car covering the entire vehicle? Is there concern that people's right to privacy will be violated by removing the cover or requiring the owner to remove it? What is the plan if the owner tells
the official Diva's property? >> First question. So, um the plan would be to engage Steve, the owner, um to see um if they're willing to uncover it. If they're not willing to uncover it, we
may have a different conversation. I haven't had a scenario like that yet. So it would still be a discussion regarding a car with a cover on it that code enforcement officers or I believe are um
it's a junk vehicle. The police would only be looking up vehicles on public roadways. >> Okay. We would be uh looking up um vehicles with the program that DMV allows us to look up which is the uh
they call it the cars program. C A I R. It stands for something. >> Yeah, they're they're allowed to. So that's how we would be doing it. Um and like we had asked last time, 30 days. You should >> I have >> it was amended to 30. Did you?
>> Yeah. >> 30 days. Yeah. >> Yeah. 30 days. And I wouldn't have a problem with someone if they ask for an additional 30 days. >> Well, if if you were to come to my property and my car's covered in my driveway >> and I tell you, I'm not going to open up the cover. I'm not going to even discuss it with you. What's your next step?
>> I will probably walk away. I probably walk away. >> So, it's not enforceable. >> I'm I'm not going to get into it with you. Everything other than uh a covered car with an owner that is not willing to cover it is enforceable. >> Okay. I mean, I understand. I understand
the the the basic we we want the junk part. I totally get it. Yeah. >> But but by definition >> if it doesn't have place of registration it's considered abandoned according to the definition. >> Right. >> So so I would say that that the definition needs to be men.
>> That's my first question. Um, so my second one is >> But how Okay, so >> I'm not I'm not sure I follow that necessarily because if we're talking about a car, >> you know, the the intent of the purpose behind this behind this ordinance is
obviously to to to get rid of junk cars of people people's property street, right? If somebody has a say an antique car, for example, or whatever, and it's covered on their property, I don't think that that wouldn't necessarily be defined as a junk car. that that
wouldn't be something that would that would code it in the post would would necessarily look at it and say hey this is a this is a public city >> have have you read this ordinance amendment >> right it yeah >> so it state the one thing it states does not have a current license pl registration >> right
>> so my question would be if it has a park offer how is that enforceable >> but how would you know if it didn't have a license pl registration >> that's my point >> but that's what I'm saying like that doesn't necessarily fall a covered car that's there to protect the car because
maybe it's a a sports car that you only want to drive other states, whatever it is, doesn't fall under the ordinance. >> Okay. >> So saying I don't think that example necessarily fit the ordinance. >> So So a car So a car with a full car is pretty much exempt from that part of the ordinance. I think not only would it not
fall under the ordinance, I think also from law enforcement perspective and from a code enforcement perspective, they would have no ability to go in and and do anything with them. >> That's my that's kind of my point. >> Yeah. Well, and right and and the inverse I know what you're getting at.
The inverse is going to be that um well then anybody with a junk vehicle will just go out and buy and buy a tar for their car, >> right? >> Maybe. I doubt it. I mean, but I think generally speaking, we're trying, you know, the ordinance the way it's written is going to get at, you know, the
majority of the problem. Now, none of these are perfect. Okay. We're not going to be able to get every single junk car off properties and some people may flaw the ordinance by doing that. >> Okay. >> But, you know, >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Uh my second question is it says uh it's
found to be mechanically inoperable and is allowed to remain inoperable for a period of 10 days. Is there concern that this may cause undue financial hardship on lower income families that need to save up to repair their vehicle? For example, transmission can easily cost anywhere from 2,000 to 8,000. So, what
happens when a hardworking parent needs to save up money to repair their car is parked on their property? Is their car if the car is on their property? Why would be the city get involved in their financial matters? >> Well, I think that was the portion for 30 days. >> Okay. So, so it's been amended to 30
days. >> Yeah. then then there would be some discretion either at the code enforcement officer or with my office to give them additional time if there is >> a hardship. I mean >> it doesn't state that anywhere in your
subject to Jerry's approval or approval. >> No, it doesn't. It says 30 days. So, right, I'm just letting you know that I would be somewhat flexible with people who demonstrate or not demonstrate but articulate a hardship and >> and that's consistent with how code operates now with with all code
enforcement, right? I mean, you go out to a property, the initial the initial step is to interact with the property owner, give a warning, right? >> Um before actually enforcement. >> So, that would be part of the interactive process that they are engaging with practice now. >> Okay.
>> And I've done that with the 10day and the 30-day. So, it'll be enforced sometimes is what you're saying. >> No, it'll be enforced most of the time, but you're right. I mean, there will be some times when discretion comes into play. >> I mean, it could take someone It could take someone six months to save them for the money to repair their bike.
>> Yeah. >> So, so I'm wondering why we're putting that kind of a time frame on their own property. It's not causing a hazard anymore. >> Well, it does cause a hazard, right? I mean, >> how does it cause a hazard? I gota get
that. So the whole part of it is you know one is um you know it's it's it's like any other code enforcement on somebody's private property. It's like not cutting grass or uh dilapidated building. If it's a dilapidated car on the property and the city is enforcing
its rights to have that property owner, you know that vehicle. I was in Camden um as a uh as the county attorney at the time and we had three children climbing the back of an abandoned vehicle on private property. The trunk came down,
slammed, those kids died in the middle of the summer. These are hazards. So, this is a way to enforce the hazards. And I think real life examples show that um abandoned cars and junk cars can become um nuisance and hazards. I >> I I agree with you that abandoned and junk cars can fall, right? But this
state's inoperable. So if you have a car that has a mechanical issue that is being being worked on, that doesn't mean it's a junk car. >> Correct. >> I mean, all of us sitting up here, we have enough money to repair our cars. We can call Highway Motors have them done. No problem. But there's people that may
it may take them two, three, four months to save up to fix something. And that's when Jerry's office engages the interactive process to make sure that the car gets um that they work with the property owner to see what the intent is for that part. >> Okay. But there's nothing in the
ordinance that states that it's subject to approval. It says that you're in violation, >> but our general operating pro process in code is to provide additional time even though it says in the code that's our
normal process. You know, I could say that would be true with most ordinances that we have that they go to the it's like our snow shoveling sidewalk ordinance where it says if you don't shovel it within
you're going to get a $2,000 fine six months in jail, >> right? >> And that has never occurred. We've never imposed a fine limit. We we haven't given individuals additional time to cut grass or to cut back their shrubs or trees in the
sidewalk and things of that nature, cleaned up their property. We've given them additional time even though the ordinance, you know, only gives that 10day period. We do give them additional time. That's basically the process um and discretion that we have in the code code department to work with the
individuals to work with residents because they are residents. At the end of the day, I understand, you know, that it's not going to be cut and dry at every situation. But >> I think what Chris said to start it off with your answer is what it's all about.
We're here to try to make the town look more appealing, cleaner. Uh, >> speak and agree. >> I do agree with their pride 100%. And and Councilman, I mean, I I get your point that it's not written in here, but I I would I would have played it almost the law enforcement speeding. The speed
limit says it's supposed to be 25 miles an hour, but they do give discretion to the officers to whether or not to write a ticket or or pull somebody over. That's the same discretion that's offered to um code enforcement, decide whether or not to pick the person or work with the person. The idea is
compliance. The idea is not punitive, it's confl. So personally, if somebody says, "Hey, I need you know, I'm working two jobs and I need, you know, to save a couple hundred dollars to get this car fixed. That's compliance. You know, they're going to work towards compliance. They're not going to be
punitive. The punitive aspect of the ordinance is designed to clean up the blight, not to punish the individual residents working. And I understand that that and that's why I'm concerned because I don't want to see hardworking
families get caught up in something because there's other vehicles in the in the city that are hazard. >> And I think that the the changes I mean we we just passed this amend this uh ordinance two years ago. So I think that
the amendments to it um kind of put people possibly in jeopardy. I mean, there's another part of the ordinance that says you can't make a repair of your car on the street unless it can done be done within two hours. So, if you have your car parked in front of
your house, like most of us do, and you go out there and the starter's not working, okay, you go order a starter at Napa and they're like, "Okay, it'll be here tomorrow." By definition of this ordinance, now you're in violation
because that repair wasn't done within two hours. Now that car is still parked in the same spot it would have been parked if the car was running properly. It's not causing any additional hazard to the city. It's not causing additional blight to the city. So I'm wondering why
we're putting so many specific u restrictions on residents. I look it's it's hard now for people to pay their bills and get along. Um I think this is going to hurt people that are lower income. I mean, again, it probably won't
hurt any of us up there. Um, but I can see where it could definitely hurt people that are that are lower income, that are struggling. >> Excuse me, Steve. In there, doesn't it say I mean, if somebody's parking their car in the street, you wouldn't know if they're if they need a transmission or
something in 24 hours or a week or whatever. You wouldn't know, would you? Would anyone know? And the other thing is it's if there's no tires on it or or they're actually working on it. So you can see that they're working on it.
>> If you had an actual description of a abandoned, dilapitated, non-cared for vehicle, I wouldn't be bringing any of this up, but this is you're it is a broad pen. by saying inoperable. That means any mechanical issue on that car
at all where you can't drive it. It's you're caught up in this. And I I don't think it's right. I don't think it's right. I think if the car is a hazard, absolutely it's a problem and it should be addressed. Just like if someone's grass is a hazard or if there's a road
infestation, absolutely. I'm 100% in favor of code enforcement enforcing all the laws. But with this, we're being so very specific. But on the other hand, we're saying, "But if Jerry talks to him, then, you know, we'll let it go." So that's why I don't really understand why we're
tweaking this ordinance that was passed just two years ago. With most of us sitting up here voted yes for the ordinance that's that's the current ordinance. >> I don't think we're saying Jerry's going to let it go. I think we're saying, Jerry, give them a little more time to
>> the current ordinance allows them to have one junk car in their property and that one junk car is the one that's bringing down property values that they're not addressing, that they're not getting rid of. >> Okay? So, if I have a 65 Mustang
convertible sitting in my driveway, I don't, but if I did, um, and it's going to be a project for me and my grandson. >> Project, >> how is that bringing down anyone's property value? That 60 that 65 convertible Mustang's probably worth
more than some of the vehicles that would it would be next. >> That's true. So, how is a car that's not registered, sitting on private property, that's in good condition, but is not being used, how is that an issue? My
other question is, um, what about people that have cars that are only insured part of the year? I have a car that's only insured during the summer. It's in it lives in a garage year round. It's only driven very certain times. Now, I'm fortunate where I have off-site
garage that I keep it in. But if I didn't, it would be sitting in my house under a under a car. But now, that car is not a hazard to anyone. It's not a polite to anyone. That's why I sent out that PowerPoint that I hope everybody got the second time where I was able to demonstrate
over I think there were 40 cars in that PowerPoint that were junk cars that are now permitted to stay there because it's one car per property that someone is permitted to have. That's why I sent those examples out which if I didn't purposely go out for three days and look
for those kinds of things. those are just in my normal routine of of working throughout the city that all of those cars right now can stay there and that's what's bringing the blight to the city and that's the thing that has to get cleaned up and you're bringing up
examples that I understand may not want you know you don't want to impact people I get it I do get it um and but that's not what we're trying to do here >> and and I understand that and I support I support what you're trying to do. >> Yeah.
>> What I'm saying is you're being so specific and so and so broad. >> Be specific to have some kind of >> baseline for what we're doing here. >> You keep going around. I mean, is this still public?
>> It is, but you should be recognized. If you want to speak, >> you have to come up and say your name. >> I'm sorry. What's wrong with me? >> 61 know who I am. I was just teen grade and I'm at 342 Cincinnati. So I don't understand why you keep going
back to the same thing. We're we're not talking about your car. We're talking about the junk car that is >> No, you we're talking about every car. >> We're talking about a junk car that is uh on somebody's property that we're trying to get off their property because it's an eyesore.
>> Okay, I understand what you're saying. What I'm what I'm saying to you what I am saying >> the change in the ordinance I understand what you're saying the change in the ordinance from what I understand I don't even know what the ordinance is it changed it from a 2hour to I mean
>> 10 day to 30 days to 30 days there's a lot of changes there's a lot of changes in it and if you would read it better change for what your >> that change that change was made last me last meeting it was
days and we've requested it be made changed to 30 days >> which made it better for the people that he's talking about. >> Exactly. Is that correct? >> Exactly. Yes. >> So what's the problem? >> You can Well, if you would let me speak, I will tell you. >> Okay. >> C can I ask a quick question?
>> This this is the second time we're asked this ordinance. The >> it was t Well, it was >> because of the days, >> right? Nothing else has changed except the 10 days or were there more changes?
>> Okay. So, that was an amendment made for the public hearing. Was there any were there any other changes made to that ordinance from then to now >> because we already had this big disc back? >> Yeah. >> So, I'm just I just want to clarify. I'm a little confused.
>> Well, I can I can I can educate you on what you're saying if you like. No, I know what you're saying, but you're talking about the ordinance from last year or whatever. >> What I'm saying is this this or I just want >> the definitions the definitions in this ordinance are so specific that it's that
it's going to trap people that you're not intending to. >> It wasn't in the public it wasn't mentioned in the public hearing last time. So, I'm trying to figure out if >> we didn't have a public hearing last time. It >> did. Council discussed it.
>> Right. I know, but but nothing's changed since then. So, the the items that I brought up last time are the same items that I'm bringing up tonight. >> Okay. Okay. >> That's what I'm saying. >> I got you. >> Cool. >> Um if if if you have changes or if
there's something you have concern, you can bring it as a motion to be considered. Then it can be voted up or down and then we can if we decide to do that um you know to >> Can't there too late? Yeah, it's too late for because it's the uh
>> Oh, that's right. because it would have to start over. >> Any substantive changes would have to start over. >> Start over. >> My only my only point I'm trying to make is is that some of the things in here are going to catch people up that you're not intending to. The people that have
dilapitated >> all that's written. That's almost everyone that's written. That's why that's why code enforcement is given discretion. And quite frankly, um, one of the issues that I get involved in, um, is when ordinances are not specific
and then it gives somebody who is an habitual violator of the ordinance an opportunity >> to skirt the intent of the ordinance because they can come up with >> um, because it's not specific enough. The the more specific, the better it is for the public so they know what's
expected and what isn't expected. that and you have to balance it with obviously the discretion that is given to our either law enforcement or critical >> and is the discretion um mentioned in that ordinance >> I don't believe it is
>> it's not mentioned in any ordinance >> yes still open public hearing Karen Adams 5 Boston um my question is if there's a way to be
more specific about what determines a junk or abandoned car because so and I mean personally just not having a license plate or insurance doesn't dignify it as a junk or abandoned car. So, for example, my 17-year-old has a
car that has been sitting in the backyard um that's not falling apart, but needs a lot of repair. She's working. She wants to put the work into herself. She wants to build this car back for herself to be what it can be. That's going to take some time. It's not in any repair. It's not in any order
that could hurt someone or harm someone. It's perfectly secure to outside elements. So, no animals would be getting in that. But just because it does not have a license plate or insurance should not deem it as a jump or abandoned car. That's kind of my glitch in the thing
from what I'm hearing is that maybe we could redefine that part of the facility. >> Can I ask a question? How many junk cars are allowed on private property right now? One. >> One. So your daughter's fine. >> Well, not this pass. This one changed there.
>> This one did or it's out >> cuz I don't have the ordinance here cuz I didn't print it out >> twice again. >> Please state your name. >> Hi. Um K question. Um if a a car is on your property, a fencing yard, it wouldn't
matter, right? But if a car is on the side of a property and someone sees it, that's where the issue is. Correct. >> No. If it's on if it's in your if it's in your property, if it's in the garage, then there's no issue. >> Right. >> Right. But if it's on your property and it doesn't have tires or it's
inoperable, it doesn't have license plate, doesn't have an inspection, >> I can only assume that it's a inoperable abandoned car, >> right? >> Until I have a discussion with you >> and as it is seen, right? But if you can't see, >> right, but if you can't see it, it's not a big deal.
>> I can give you an example of that. There was a vehicle that was placed in our library parking lot that was completely smashed from the night before and I came upon it that day because it wasn't there
the day before and um asked the police to take a look at it and see what this vehicle was. It had been placed the night before in one of our parking lots behind the library. um it was moved to the individual's property and put in the garage because he wanted to part it out
and use it to sell on eBay and all of that kind of stuff or or marketplace. So he moved it and put it in a garage. He didn't put it in his backyard. Yeah. Because it's not a blight. It's not an eyesore. It's not the situation. But I mean that's one of the cars that is in
the PowerPoint. >> You can look in your email. >> Look in your email. So that that could be an issue as well. >> Yeah. >> So So to answer the next question, that car would not be allowed to stay because this ordinance would remove that ability for her daughter to keep that
>> car up the ordinance. >> I just don't get what the big deal is. I mean, we had this already in another meeting. We tabled it for that same meeting. Now we don't over half an hour. Anyway, Jerry, you're doing an amazing job at this. I don't know if they told you today, but you're doing awesome job.
>> Thank you. No, they did it. You're the only one. Thank you very much. >> Everything that's discussed is legit. I I understand concerns and I understand that people don't have money and I understand all of that, but we're at a point where there's too many cars in
backyards that are growing moss. They don't have license plates. They don't have current registrations. You You have the examples. You have the examples. I wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't something that should be addressed. >> Yeah. And look, I don't have a vote on this obviously, but I mean, I'm giving
you a real life example how these things are a significant hazard um to a community if they're not addressed. So, you need >> And you would say this ordinance matches a lot of other community? >> Yes. Very similar. >> Yes.
>> We actually the three of us went back and forth a couple of times. the chief ailwin person and I went back and forth a couple of times until it kind of made you know >> Mike Chapetti 28 Millings Avenue about the 2hour rule with the car being fixed on Palm Street living here my whole life
59 years it's been common practice if you drive through town that people will work on their cars on the streets they will jack them up and keep them jacked up for days which is an absolute hazard to children going by. So, as far as code
enforcement goes, if I raise my um hood on my car to change a starter and they don't have a starter, I'm going to close my hood and it's going to be good for a couple days, right? Nobody's going to come and start a stopwatch and go, "Hey, Mike Chimpetta just opened his uh hood
on his car to change a starter and now it better be changed in two hours before we tow your ve like that. This kind of nitpicking I think is absolutely ridiculous." J, you brought up the example of code enforcement or um traffic enforcement with police officers. Okay. Every one of
those statutes, I believe, except for DUI up to an officer's discretion. Okay. Whether they can do it or not. So, I don't think there's anybody in this town in code enforcement that is out to try to burn somebody. As far as I'm concerned, sometimes code enforcement is
too lenient. Um they're always out there trying to help the people and and do what's right for the town. But at the same time, when you have an eyesore next to your house, okay, and one house can typically like I'm not going to say ruin a neighborhood, but really make your
neighborhood look awful. You know, that's a problem. So, these ordinances that are coming up, I mean, this is just this nitpick and stuff is ridiculous. You could is the sky blue today? I mean, it's got to like kind of end. So, you know, let's just put the ordinance out there and leave it up to code
enforcement. Also, just because you're writing summons, doesn't mean that your car is going to be towed. Anyone that gets any kind of summon has the right to go before a judge, state their case, and a judge can say, "Hey, in this case, no, code enforcement, you're wrong. Hey, the
car can stay there." So, they need to kind of move on. This this and that stuff is just real out of hand. So, that's my opinion. >> And your your point there at the end is true because we've been in court for two years. >> Yeah, we have. So this isn't like cut or dry. Hey, your car's not fixing fire.
We're telling him you don't have anything to say. No, it's going to go before the court before the car tower property. >> Any that's >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Anyone else wish to be home? >> Okay. >> I just want to say one thing. >> Yep. Up and state your name. >> I want I wanted to say one thing. I I
have requested boats be put in here because I have a neighbor who's had a boat in their yard for 30 years. It's a hazard because it fills up with water. mosquitoes breed in there and it's covered with weed and it's not here but
you know you have to uh wait weigh two sides and be negotiable and >> but there was an issue with the DMV and the lookup for that that's why I had to it was >> but it's not like a car so >> ma'am state your name
>> and address >> my name is Stefania Kenir 459 Chicago Avenue harvest city. >> What would you like to say? >> I would like to say this. We all love our town. We wouldn't live here if we didn't have some type of real concern
for it. The fact that we are trying, you're trying to clean it up should be commended. Everybody talks about the bowling alley. It's a junkyard. It sat there for two years. It's bounced around the whole county court system to try to
get it cleaned up. I don't have a junk car in my yard. I have a fully fenced in yard and I have a garage and if I needed to, I could put something in there. But you do have people that buy things to fix it and leave it there. You either
want your home to be nice or you don't. You either want your yard to look nice or you don't. We all want our town to look good. I'm sorry that there are people with financial problems. I faced that as a young mother. I know how that works. However, we have 4,000 other
residents that live here and they're entitled to their property values to stay up and not on the floor because this guy down the block has five cars, only one runs. That guy down the block has two cars. None of them run. We all
deserve for our properties to continue to value up. I don't care anymore. I'm sorry that you're so sympathetic. I would be too. I think that's a nice idea. But you're affecting everybody's property values and we've listened to you for 45 minutes on the same subject.
Finish and be done. Thank you. >> Anyone else wish to be heard? Is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Is there a motion to adopt? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion's been made and seconded.
Roll call, please. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Dash, >> no. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, >> yes. >> Hessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes.
>> Okay, motion passes and it will be advertised in the Hamilton Gazette on September 17th. Number 22, public hearing on ordinance number 16, 2025,
repealing and replacing chapter 170-81.5 of the code of the city note 33 titled cannabis licensed businesses. >> I think somebody better explain that. >> Is there a motion? First, we got to open the public.
>> Make a motion. >> Second. Bush been made to open a public hearing and all in favor. >> What did you want to explain? >> Well, that we're not actually we're amending something but we're not asking
we're not allowing another store. >> No, no, we're appealing and place replacing the cannabis license. >> Okay. >> Like the ordinance we have currently, >> right? Because we had three different ordinances previously. >> They combined them and >> Yeah. Look, I can tell you that a lot of
a lot of towns passed ordinances quickly in the beginning before uh the Cannabis Control Commission, I guess you say, um came out with regulations. Nobody really had best practices. What this ordinance does is it mimics what the best practices are throughout the state. And
>> well, you know, people get confused. They >> Yeah. >> Before you know it, they'll say we're having another >> retail store. It doesn't change. Thank you. The only thing it changes is >> that's all I need want to hear. >> But you open for the public hearing. So >> public hearing is open. Anyone who wish
to be heard on this? Second call. >> Final call. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> Second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? >> I posted. Public hearing closed. Is there a motion to adopt? >> Make the motion. >> Second.
>> Motion made and second. Roll call. >> Clark. >> Yes. >> Dash. >> Yes. >> Doy. >> Yes. >> Galloway. >> Yes. >> Heist. Yes. >> Pessie. >> Yes. >> Kenir. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> Motion passes and it will be noticed in the Hamilton Gazette on September 17th.
>> Yes. >> Number 23. Public hearing ordinance number 17-2025. Opting into the Garden State CPACE program to facilitate and finance CPACE projects. >> Motion second. >> Motion made to open a public hearing.
All in favor? Opposed? Okay, public hearing open first call. >> Can we have just a little Can I have a little bit of explanation what CPACE is? >> Yeah. So, the it's a um NJA program
which provides uh the ability for private financing at a discounted rate as long as the municipality is involved with it. >> Okay. >> It doesn't affect the municipality. It doesn't affect the bond rating. It doesn't affect anything like that. What it does is um it allows for example
revel the developer to submit >> um and go out to private market and borrow money at a rate that government will get a rate at. So a much lower rate so it's first development. New Jersey is actually really late to the game. There's about 34 other states that have
done it successfully. Um New Jersey realized this is good program to development because of private funds instead of necessarily public funds. Uh but in order to be in the program, municipalities have to adopt an ordinance saying that you're going to be in. And if you look at the ordinance, it's a little confusing because it talks
about a resolution, >> right? >> Um that part that means that any development project that would invalidance off of of the case would have to come before the governing body governing body to pass whether she acknowledged that it could be accepted case. >> Okay. And we do have a business that's
interested in tapping into this >> and it provides a um because because it actually affects Jody and her life a little bit with with how these things get budgeted. Um it does provide uh yeah some money to cover uh
administrative cost. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. And this is only for commercial. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. But that's the type of funding that is right. Yes. Make sure >> anyone wish to be heard. Anyone else? Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion second. >> Motion make second. All in favor?
>> I posted public hearing closed. Is there a motion to adopt? >> Make a motion. >> Motion. Roll, please. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Dash, yes. >> Doy, >> yes. >> Galloway, yes. >> He ker, >> yes.
>> Timbers, >> yes. >> Notice of adoption will be in the hammock is on September 17th. Number 24 is public hearing on ordinance number 18-2025 adopting a redevelopment plan for block
10001 lot 11. It's the landfill area on Antor Bath. >> Make a motion. >> Motion to open public hearing. >> Second. All in favor? >> I posted public hearing open.
Anyone wish to be heard on ordinance number 18? Second call. Final call. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> Make the motion. >> Second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? >> Opposed? Public hearing closed. Is there a motion to adopt?
>> Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Sash, yes. >> Joy, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. He >> Yes. >> Hessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Motion passes. ordinance bases and it'll be advertised the Hammock Gazette on
September 17th. Okay. Number 25 is the bill list. >> Make the motion. >> Second. >> Motion made second. Questions on the bills? >> Roll call. >> Clark, yes. >> Sash, yes. >> Doy, yes. >> Galloway, yes. >> Yes. >> Pessie, >> yes.
>> Kenir, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Bills are paid. Um, number 26 is mayor comment. Yeah, there is a lot going on in Egg Harbor City in the fall. So, please be sure to check uh the official
Facebook page. It's www.acarbor I mean it's on it's on www.acarborcity.org. There's a link and you know it's the official one because that seal right there is on it along with the picture of all council members that tells you everything that's going on. I know a lot of people mentioned things but there are
a lot of things that weren't mentioned. Also, as we sit here on 911 and we think about how happy we were to be united as as Americans during that terrible time, very saddened to see that a young man was assassinated, 32year-old young man
was assassinated at a recently um he has two children and a beautiful wife. and I'm not familiar with his platform or have I have never watched him, but it's just very sad that I I've since learned
that he reaches out to young people and tries to get them involved in the political process and answers questions that they may have. So, very sad to see that today that that has happened. Um, also another sad thing, uh, one of our
board of education, um, board members was in a very serious accident last week. Um, the last update I had is he is doing better. A lot of surgery, long recovery. So,
you never know. You just never know. So, pray for him. I'm sure many of you know who he is. If you don't, you know, I'd be happy to talk to you after the meeting. And that's all I have. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Start with this side. U
Council Clark. >> Um just one quick announcement for the Crusaders. Um our homecoming night, which is usually the bonfire and everything is scheduled to happen on September 27th. It'd be great to go out and support the kids, especially our
eighth graders. Um, and we have recently uh discussed and we are going to do our fourth annual trunk or treat on October 25th. As uh Drop uh draws closer, we'll provide more information, but you know, it's never too early to start uh asking
people to. >> Yeah. Thank you, Council Woman. Um, just to echo the mayor, prayers for our board of ed member. He's a amazing man. He'd do anything for anybody in the community. So, please pray for him and his family. Um, he is a
former teacher at Oakrest, Absagami, and Cedar Creek. He was very instrumental in our daughter's education, and he, you know, he has a big place in her heart. So, um, please pray for him and and his family going forward. and prayers for
the family of the young man who was assassinated. He um I did listen to him here and there. Um, I didn't always agree with his platform, but I did respect him for the way he presented himself. And I did respect him for
bringing the light of Christianity to a lot of young people within the speeches that he made and his debate platform that he used when he did talk to the young people. He opened a lot of their eyes to
Christianity and he used it in a lot of his debates to to show them that there was something that they could stand for and he stood behind what he said where a lot of young people will go out and they'll debate but they don't have a platform to stand on. He always had a
platform to stand on whether you agreed with his platform or not. He had a platform to stand on and I respect respected him a lot for that and prayers to all the families of the 911 victims and that's all I have.
>> Okay. Thank you, Councilman Dash. >> Okay, I'll keep it brief. Um, my thoughts and prayers go to to Charlie Kirk's family, his wife, his two daughters. He was he was senselessly assassinated the other day. Um he was a
a incredible speaker uh a man of God um and he brought that message to many many young people and colleges across the country. Um also my thoughts and prayers go to the survivors of 911 and the and the victims of 911. That's all I have.
>> Okay. Thank you Councilman Dovy. >> I don't have anything to add Timers. >> Okay. um 9/11. Um it seems so long ago and it also seems like it was yesterday.
It's one of those events where most of us can remember where we were. Um maybe not when the first plane went into a building, but we remember definitely looking at the TV and seeing the second plane and going, "Whoa, what is going
on?" Um there was terror. uh you wanted to know where your family members were. Um I had a cousin that was he was in grade school and his um they had just visited the Pentagon and
uh so we didn't know what was going on. We were uh trying to get in contact with them and what I always remember is that the cell phones were down. there was no way to contact anyone and uh the relief to find that they uh their itinerary had
them in the Pentagon the day before. So they were on their way back. Um Charlie Kirk, there's a lot of people it's, you know, he was kind of a polarizing figure. Um
he often said things that I really did not agree with, but he was a counterpoint. So he was someone that had a voice that was uh worthy of hearing. Uh
I think that if you didn't agree with him, he invited you to debate him. you know, he didn't mind if you didn't agree. Um, and I think someone who was willing to shoot him was not willing to
get in line and walk up to the microphone and debate him. And that's sad. When someone gives you the opportunity to tell them they're wrong, you should you should appreciate death.
Um, that's it. The only other thing I want to say is Cedar Creek has a uh has a big game on Saturday. Uh it's against uh Atlantic City. So uh um I plan to be there. Um I hope that uh a lot of us
will come out and support these young people and um Atlantic City I think is ranked like 15th in the state or something like that. So it's a big game. >> Yeah. So, um, >> my billers I had the same
information, >> you know, >> chief was talking about bread buttering the bread, but yeah. >> No, that's it. Thank you for letting me know that, please. Council woman has >> I just want to say my my thoughts and
prayers go out to both families. Uh Charlie who had lost his life and also to the my neighbor and um who's who's in the hospital fighting and um hopefully he
regains regains everything that he had. But um I my thoughts go out to him and his family for sure and um all the first responders and um that's all I have to say. Thank
you. >> Thank you, Councilman. Councilwoman Galloway, >> just a few dollars uh regarding 911. Um 2,977 people were murdered on 911.
343 were firefighters. 23 were members of the New York Police Department. 37 were from the Port Authority Police Department. 184 people died at the Pentagon in Washington DC. And 40 perished on Flight
93 that crashed in Shanksville. Those numbers have grown over the years and people are still dying from the after effects of the cleanup that you know people all over the country went over to help. Um, regarding the fellow
who was assassinated, I never heard of him before yesterday. Um, but I have seen some videos of him debating people. And it just brought to mind a quote from a man called Stephven CVY. He wrote the
seven uh habits of highly effective people. and his comment that stuck with me. I heard it about two months ago was listen to understand not to respond.
That's all. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Just a quick story. Um on 911, my wife and I were on a cruise and we met this guy in the pool and he had a New York City Fire Department hat on and he was an elderly guy, older than
me. And I said, "Uh, are you an Atlantic City I mean a a New York City fireman or do you just have the hat?" And he goes, "No, I was a fireman. I'm retired." And so he wound up telling us a story that he had retired six months before 911.
His son just got into the New York City Fire Department, stationed right at the World Trade Center, and was one of the first ones in. And he rushed over there after he heard what was going on. spent three months in the pile and finally
found found a sonow >> and said he was one of the few that was taken out in peace >> and he had the honor car public comment anyone wish to be heard if
that's say anything. >> Well, she's coming up. I've never heard that story before. >> And I've been friends with him on Facebook, too. He's >> he's real involved with the memorial and all that stuff. Um, but I think
[Music] watch the names all day to hear that one. somebody as I was listening to their names. >> Yeah. First person, you know, they go back and forth. They
do their list. And then he has my father-in-law. Yeah. And what I'm discovering is where couple hours away but how much people are affected
>> something >> but that's how >> which is not intended to cover >> no that's what the shirt >> um actually I'm sorry Mary Campbell bring
matter see I'm almost remembering too. Uh, I need to hold on. Um, I I I I came up tonight because I believe it or not, somebody else in the world asked me to, but anyone who knows me is going to
know. It's a topic I care about, but a person in my life that helps with a number of my needs and many other people. Uh she doesn't live in a Carver, but she works in a carbor.
Uh and she spent about five or six hours of her eight hour work taking in her car. >> Um so I'll just put out what she actually said was why don't they have flashing
lights? That was that was like well I and what I'm what she was referring to which I didn't know about until she mentioned it but evidently someone was hit on the white horse pike around Buffalo Avenue or something
>> in the last several days. She didn't elaborate >> years ago. No, no. She said like, well, well, I'm just relaying, but like within the last five, six, seven or so days >> and she said it was a hit or run, of
course, but >> the chief doesn't seem to be aware. >> Well, well, >> maybe it was in a different community. She thinks it's Barber >> because that's quite possible. >> That wasn't years ago.
>> No, she said actually I I went to look it up and It did say six days ago. So really, >> was it on the Newsreak app by any chance? >> Uh, no. I don't I don't even know what that is >> because there's a there's an app on the phone. It's called News Breakak and they
so they kind of have like this the CB radio and I've noticed that a lot of times they'll say a certain like it'll be unclear >> they say the address and they'll they'll mark it as Carver City. Like the other day they said like back Maryland. >> Like she she may even witness it.
what what I want to lead to and I know the white horse pike is not a program it's the states um and I you know I've always been excited that several years ago the uh the painted crosswalks got there and the
signs because I do believe that does help and it does make a difference make a difference to me coming tonight crossing Philadelphia Avenue because I'm in the crosswalk and I watched the car come and come and come and I actually
had to turn around and blow my whistle to get them to stop which was right in the middle of the intersection so anybody >> coming up can used to it now that walking around town is hazardous dangerous it's like people
are angry that they find somebody in the street pavements aren't much better especially the you know the bicycles and the polarized woods that are allowed um scares me.
But to go back to what the person said and even if that's a happening, I'm just going to put out what she said is, "Hey, can you get the city council to get lights there?" And I'm like, "But they
don't control the labor spike." But I just wanted for her sake and anyone that knows me knows it's something I care about that to me the more things that can make it safer the
better. Now my experience because people know I wear my vest and things and I've had many people say does that make you feel safer? And I go no it makes me a better target but it takes away their excuse that they didn't see me. And I'm only half joking
because I still to this day they're like, you know, I come close to punching of a car to get into a stop. So it's almost like a pedestrian whether it's Philadelphia crossing anywhere, but I know the pipe.
I wouldn't I'm glad they're there, but I wouldn't cross the pike anywhere except at St. Louis or Philadelphia. That's really what you're supposed to do, Mary. Cross at the lake. >> Yeah. Except I mean, I'll do it and that's all I'll
do, but I've had people go around me into oncoming traffic because I'm like in in the middle of the road like maybe sort of like where Gish line is because I get the feeling people hate the best students. Sorry, I don't have car anymore.
But anyways, so I don't know what more can be done, but I wanted to present it if people weren't appeal I guess to the state department of transportation to see. But I don't know that they would do any more that
has already been done. But >> she asked me to and it is something I care about because like I said, even coming tonight, I could barely get across Philadelphia Avenue, >> you know. >> Well, we there there was a safe streets
to school um done. Ryan and I were part of that which did actually have some flashing lights required. I'm not quite sure it was on the pike, but basically dealing with the routes that the kids go to school. >> Yeah. So,
very glad that the school season when you know right up where I live you know camp yeah they get their their walks but how long did it take to get >> so so being being that they did that we are eligible to apply for grants so
hopefully maybe something can change Ryan you want to say anything about that >> sure so if you recall when do came through and did the 30 project where they upgraded the storm water management and all that >> yes >> we had discussions with them at that time as to whether the council wanted DOT to add crosswalks at Buffalo and
Cincinnati and ultimately it was decided that that was probably not wise that we should probably just redirect DOT agreed to install some enhanced pedestrian signage to indicate it was a you know high traffic corridor and they
agreed to install additional lighting along that corridor between Philadelphia Avenue and St. Louis A. So we I mean we we did at that time attempt to address those concerns. >> It's never going to be perfect. >> Oh no. And you know speed limits seem to
be a suggestion and not a rule you know and because I live on filing your scene the what the heck no U-turn signs. >> Yeah. >> Where my apartment's located which may be knows where it's at. Oh my lordy. And
I get it. It's the people people that live on the other side of the state like I watch every evening here. >> It could be my husband. I don't know how >> you know >> when we're doing the flowers. I'm not going to lie. Sometimes he does. But
>> yeah. No, somebody's been putting some of those pots back. They got they got to be moved back away from one of the ideas they kept them back on the bricks. Keep them off the white pavement.
>> It just stops people from going into being used >> wheelchair can't get around it. >> I can't get around it. >> I can't get around it. But that's not you're supposed to be able to stay down the ramp. >> Mary, to tell you the truth, I'm a
little afraid to touch him. So, uh, if you someone wants me to move them, I'll move them. No problem. >> Oh, >> you can move them. >> Yeah. >> Well, I'm just And right now, I think the the worst spot is out >> uh
by by the post office on the outside, the post office in front of the library. >> They're like right there. >> Okay. >> I thought I saw >> one of you guys did put them back. And you know what? >> I saw we did do them. I remember they did, but
>> they put him back. I think they didn't seem that way. >> Yeah. >> You know, the staining or whatever. So, let him move to >> Well, I'm glad you brought that to our attention. Why? Because I've got I just wanted to put it out there. I
used to, you know, really when I do a cross street, I put my whistle right here. >> Yeah, that's a good >> Because I don't want it to waste the seconds. >> Sure. And two questions if people if anybody can know for later. I want to personally purchase a fire extinguisher to keep in
my bedroom. Now my apartment does have wood of course in the kitchen, >> but I'd like to keep one next, but I don't know how to purchase one. And does anybody know anything about the VFW/ VFW? I want to join death. >> Yeah, sure.
>> Because BFW is long history. >> Yeah. So, if anybody can let me know about those two things, >> I can I can send Paul McIntyre's the president. I can send him your contact. >> Yeah. No, please. >> And then maybe he'll call you. That would be good. That's right across the street, too.
>> Yeah. Yeah. My mom was a cardian for almost 60 years. >> Okay. >> And she used to say to her caretaker, "I don't care what bills you're paying. Make sure to pay my membership." >> Well, when you're approaching 90, I guess it doesn't say. Thank you.
>> All right. Mary, thank you. Thank you. >> Anyone else wish to be heard? >> Okay. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> That's a favor. I don't defense