To the flags, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I'd like to call the meeting of June 26, 2025 to order. in compliance with the
open public meetings act with the state of New Jersey. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided in the following manner. Advance written notice has been posted on the averar city bulletin board. It been posted on the
averar city website and has been sent to the Hamilton Gazette and the Atlantic City Press. Number four is roll call. Mayor Jetti here. Clark here. Dash here. Dovy here.
Galloway here. Heist here. Hessie Kenir here. Here. She's on Zoom. Here. Okay. Number five on the agenda. Approve the minutes of June 12th council
meeting. Is there a motion? Second. Motion made. Seconded. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passes. Okay. Number six on our agenda is public comment on agenda items.
Anyone here has any comments on any agenda items? Seeing none, we'll go to number seven, the mayor's comments. Okay. So tonight I do have a report for the lake, a preliminary um report. So
the badges that we sold so far um were 587 in all different forms or no, I'm sorry, 2,127 in all different forms with a total of 28,010.
Picnics 71 in total for $3,970. 18 uh boat rides and gazeos, $180. And the total sales to date is $32,160. The same uh sales from at the same date
from last year were $60,910 for variance of $28,750. We got our first campground payment of $5,643 for the brings the total revenue for lake operations in all forms $37,83.
So, as many of you know, we had a cold, wet several weekends. I think every weekend at rate it rains. I think that was one of the reasons the sales were lower and also sales at city hall were significantly lower um this year.
Um what else? K. I have the police the chief's not going to be here tonight, so she will have her official uh static her statistical report next week or next meeting. But I can report that our emergency operations
plan. It's called a EOP has been completed and signed by all the uh appropriate people. Um I thank uh Captain Per for that. He did an outstanding job. And as you know, our police department runs OEM now, which is
um Office of Emergency Management. So that's that's a that's quite a feat what he did. So thanks to him. Question about that. Is there anything in there about heat and like Yeah. Um hopefully you'll get a chance
to read it once it's been it's finalized because he still has to look over this. I can't distribute or would have but you should be able to get one. I think not sure but maybe. Um just a reminder upcoming events
fireworks at uh the lake at on the 19th. The lake will close at 6 pm as always to prepare for the fireworks. The lake uh citywide yard sale is a free event. It's on August 2nd. The rain date will will be August 3rd. you can put out your
stuff from um I believe it's 8 am to 4 pm and also come out and support the firemen if you make some money at your yard sale. They're having their annual spaghetti dinner on August 7th is eating or takeout and I believe that starts at 4 o'clock and that's all I have. Thank
you. I have a question for the mayor. Okay, mayor. I was just wondering I was up out at the lake the other day. um the PA system that's not up and running yet or they're not using it or did it Well, um I asked Jeremy to come and look at it and he said when he gets in town he will
Okay. I was just wondering it's a little comp I know last year it's it's a little because nobody there uses Yeah. a little more complicated than what we expected. So I'm wondering if there's an easier way to use it where you can just have to hold the microphone and say that's what I asked Jeremy. stop jumping off the
dock, you know, or stop. Well, that that that's not really going to help because you cannot have the lifeguard leave their stand there. I I figured if they could walkie talk into the manager, what that could use before be used for is what I decided was that if there is an emergency and you have to clear the
lake, right, that's the time that that would be in place because that is more of a broadcast. Absolutely. But as far as management of the water and the uh customers, the lifeguards cannot leave the water to do something like that. Yeah, I know. I was out there the other day and there was a bunch of guys out on
the dock and they were Yeah, we have megapones and they were flipping and the kids were they were trying on the megaphones. They really were. They were yelling and these guys out there were just bigger and louder and they were not hearing them and they No, they they I guarantee they were hearing him. They
just ignored him and then that's the time he called the police. Yeah. They finally paddled out and then they shut the dock and it you know but it was you know it's not a delivery method problem. It's a soliciting problem. Absolutely. So so yeah when uh Jeremy comes I'll get
that make sure that if there is an emergency we have a mechanism to broadcast it to the whole lake. Yeah I haven't heard back. I was just hoping it wasn't broken already. That was my you know my biggest concern. Well I hope it isn't. I'll find out when Jeremy comes. All right. Thank you. Mhm. Anything
else? No. No. Okay. Uh, council committee chairs, start with uh, Councilwoman Hassie for safety code enforcement and Rotary. Uh, I don't have anything for safety uh,
code. I just want to commend uh where the department for doing a great job and for Jerry um overseeing them and um directing them. I think it's I think they're really off
to a good start here. Um that's all I have to say for code and Rotary. Uh I have nothing. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman Galloway for property and
sustain. Nothing for property tonight. Um, I just wanted to make an announcement that the green team purchased monarch butterfly way station signs. We bought five of them and they're going
to be put in areas where uh the milkweed is growing. I was driving down Deer Street the other day and I came across a big patch of milkweed. I was so excited when I saw it that I went right home and ordered the signs. So, if anybody knows
where milkeed is growing in the wild or on public property or anything like that, let me know and we can put a way station sign there. It just basically says this is milkweed and this is a a way station for the monarch butterfly just to create awareness that you know
we we're trying to help the monarchs which are dwindling in numbers. Um regarding um the peace pilgrim statue we did get um confirmation from the foundry that they are working on uh cleaning up
the mold. So that may be cast soon. We won't have it for post pilgrim celebration July 19th, but we might have it in time for uh the international day of peace which is September 21st. And for anyone who's a mosquito magnet
like me, um I posted something on our Facebook page today, Sustainable EHC. Um it's called the mosquito bucket challenge, and it's a simple way to mosquito proof your your yard and your garden. So, I'm not going to tell you
how to do it. You could just go to the uh click the link and it'll take you to the page and it it's really simple instructions and it's kind of cute. Kind of like uh the rain barrel idea for but for mosquitoes. And there's no meeting
until September. That's all I have. Can you put that on the official city Facebook page also and send me a picture of your sign when it goes up? Sure. Okay. Thank you. Uh, council members for ordinance um, land use board and air.
Uh, nothing to report uh, other than um, there was a land use board meeting. I was unable to attend. I assume if anything um, happened at the meeting, Brian, I'll go over it. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Dobby. For GPW,
um, I have uh, nothing to report. I'll I'll defer it to the administrator when he gives his work. There have been a number of public works challenges over the last couple of weeks, but they seem to be enhanced.
Okay. Thank you. Councilwoman Clark, school board. Uh nothing at this time. Thank you. Anybody else have a report back? I just have one thing from finance or or city council. Um, it's been the
practice of this council to cancel the summertime second meetings of the month. So, we were looking at the calendar and July 24th and August 28th meetings. Uh, if it's council's pleasure
that we would like to cancel those two. Is there a motion to do that? What was the August? 28th, July 24th and August 28th. And we worked it out with the business that we have and we think we can do it with the meetings uh the
first part of the meeting, the second week of the month, Thursdays. I'll make that motion. Second. Okay. Motion made and seconded. All in favor? I meant I won't be here August 28th.
wasn't going to be here. All right. So, the chief don't have a She does not. She She's not feeling well. That was number nine on the agenda. Number 10 is the CFO. I do not have anything. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Uh, city clerk.
Nothing. Nothing. This is going quick. Brian, I thank you for the report. And yeah, you're going to have to get a second page. We're We're being close. Yeah. Yeah. Our engineer report, please. Sure. Um, so there's a stuff. So I'll just go
through like the active ones. Um, archway Green, they're moving along. Uh, we requested a schedule update, but we're still anticipating that to be done um, prior to events in August. So wrapping up at some point in July. Um, the Lake ADA improvements. U, we requested a meeting with the planning commission for the week of July 7th. Um,
so we're going to try to pin down a date that week. Um, wasn't able to get anything on the calendar this week and next week is not going to be good. Um, let's see. Um the IB stormware project, we're trying to uh work with your bond council. Um I bank has a funding
mechanism where you guys are eligible for $3 million in principal forgiveness. You have to bond for money uh and then spend it essentially they they forgive the bonds immediately. Um so we're working through all the process, all imaginations with that. Was there an issue with that though with the state?
Well, we were trying to qualify under the FY25 funding and the FY26 funding and we had everything ready in time to to qualify for the FY25, but they had so much on their plate. They kind of told us like we're not going to get to it's just not going to happen. So, um the new
fiscal year is June 30th. So, we're trying to be like first in line for the Y26 funds. Good. Um so, we're working through that. I was hoping to have the introduction for this week didn't work out. So, it'll be we'll be introducing that in July. um construction of East Street. You guys authorized us um or to construct East
Street between Brand and Baltimore. So, we're working on design for that. We're going to get the PSA in the next month or so. Um Weisser demo um we are Jerry reached out confirming and coordinating utility shut offs. Everything was already shut off, but
some of the stuff wasn't documented um in the way that it needs to be. So, that should be finalized in the next weeks or so. Um in conversations we have with the contractor, they estimate it's going to take two, three weeks potentially um all said and done. So they don't want to open it up before the food truck
festival. They're not going to be totally done. So originally they were looking at starting um you know the first or second week of July potentially. Um depending on when we get this utility clearance uh they may not they may just hold off until after the food truck festival so they're not you know open it up and have a big mess for
that. So So I have three of the four clearances already. Right. It was just No, water and sewer were done. Okay. I have gas came in today and then the um I'm waiting for ACE. Okay. I know. We should probably reach out to Gary Hess on that because he coordinated getting
it shut off a while ago. Leaders are pulled. He's It's all shut off. I told you you just don't have proof of it. Shut off, right? We just need a letter for the file. Been shut off. Yeah. New Jersey American I think replied back that they it shut off at the um like the valve was shut off. the meters removed,
but they're going to physically remove the service, I think, back to the main at some point soon. Uh, we're not excavating, right? That's what correct. We're doing the minimal amount of excavation. Yeah. So, that shouldn't impact anything they're doing. Um, the key rack improvements, we got to roll that into our meeting, um, which should
be the week of July 7th. Uh, pickle ball courts are done. Um, still a couple punch list items, I believe, for that, right? They started working on that today. Okay, good. um brownfield stuff where we should have a proposal for you to start the HDSRF uh investigations
um probably at the next meeting. Uh that ties in with number eight, which is the redevelopment plan for Edworth Avenue landfill. Um we've had a lot of interest um from solar developers who've had discussions about um you know the the capability to designate someone as the
redeveloper for that site. Um but as we dug a little further, it turns out that the um industrial park never appears to have never had a redevelopment plan for it. It was just established by other means. So um we are using the citywide uh designation as an area need
rehabilitation as the basis to come up with a redevelopment plan for that landfill. Once we have that redevelopment plan, the city can engage with redevelopers and um work towards having them uh close the landfill and pay for landfill closure and then develop a solar project on it
afterwards. So um this is sort of the the first step of that. I I had a question about that. Do we have to do an RFP for that? We do not have to do an RFP for that. That's an option. Um but we have to have the redevelopment plan in order to designate a redeveloper
either by RFP or directly. So definitely need to uh help. Yeah, no matter which route we're going to meet. And you What's the time frame to get something like that finished? Um we're gonna try to turn around in a month. Um so we're going to try to have it ready. Um well,
one meeting in July. It probably finalized it in August. So relatively short term. Yeah. I think it's important to get that rolling because you want to get in the pipeline. Correct. In case there are any changes to funding. Yeah. Yeah, it appears that the federal incentives may be phasing out over time. What the schedule is is a
bit murky at the moment, but it seems headed in that direction. So, the faster we can get on track, the better position we are. Thank you. Sure. Um, master plan re-exam, we have that that draft recirculated, so we we need to sort of circle back to that and um get some of the recommendations uh to the finish
line. Um, the area and need of redevelopment study for the north subdivision. Um the redevelopment plan for the north subdivision has expired at this point and needs um some revisions. So we started to look into updating it.
Um and then sort of simultaneously confirmed that it is uh a redevelopment plan or an area in need of rehabilitation. So that sort of limits the city's options a little bit in working with developers. So we are um working on the area in need of
redevelopment study so that we could make the determination that it is an area in need of redevelopment um and then the redevelopment plan would apply to that instead of just the rehabilitation designation. Um so the council referred that to the planning board um at our last meeting. Uh the
planning board uh directed us to move forward with it. So we are working on it now. Um may was able to get an ad in before this Saturday and the following Saturday. So, we are planning to have it ready for the July 15th uh planning board meeting and then it will come back to council. So, first week first meeting
in August. Yeah, exactly. At the next available meeting. What's the ad for the advertisement? You have to advertise um the blocks and lots um and and essentially that you're conducting a study for for a determination of an area need to rebuild. Have you notice notice
right? Yeah. It's just an ad in the press city. Um because we couldn't time it with the Hington Gazette. So it was Wednesday by the time we we were able to get the ad together. So they only publish every other Wednesday. Yeah. Well, they've been really slow on legals at the press and I had a one town that I
cover, right? Had to delay public hearings on like four ordinances because they didn't get advertised. Yes, we experienced that numerous times. I haven't heard first thing. Yeah, I was I was shocked that they they gave us that one. So, um yeah, I I'm not going to
count our chickens before they're hatched. So, hopefully it gets published Saturday. But that's the plan. Um what else? Oh, um the last thing I want to hear is not uh any work that we're doing, but just a a sort of update and summary for council. Um we met with the
county um and Brent and Pillo who's doing the bridge design and CME who's doing the bike path design and Comcast and Verizon and Lex Electric. Uh Jerry and I um talk about dollars rolling right there.
Yeah. Uh it was also 100 plus degrees. So I got back in my car with 104. That was fun. Hydrate. Um sorry. Yes. Yes. Continue to hydrate. Very important. Um so the the county uh at the end sort of summarized a um a timeline for their projects. They're
anticipating bidding the bridge replacement project this winter and starting it um early next year, January, February. Um so we talked about the impacts of draining the lake um and and the timing for that. So we'll have to work with them on that. Um so they're going to do the bridge project first. They're going to they're estimating
that's going to take a year. Um they're going to keep one travel lane open. So, it'll be an automated traffic light. So, you'll still be able to go back and forth. You'll just have to sit late and wait for your turn to go back and forth. Notice how he's looking at me. I guess he's explaining this. This really matters. The one there's no shortcut.
Yes, there is. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know about short, but there's a way. They're doing the non there's a way. Correct. They're they're doing the north side of the lake first. Once they finish with that, they'll have to move all the utilities from the south side of the lake to the north side of the lake. Then they'll do the south side of the lake.
Um and then there'll be one new bridge that question the draining of the lake. It has to be drained during the whole project. No. So the only complication is the city or there will be no control of the lake level from the bridge during
the project. So normally what we do is we drain the bottom half and we keep the top half full. We can't do that during the project. So, we should drain the lake and and do the dev vegetation or whatever we're doing while we still have control because if their project's going to go for a year, we won't be able to
drain the lower half without also draining the upper half for a year. Um, so my understanding is the upper half is stocked. Um, and that draining it is not desirable. Like you typically have to have it drained by like November 15th and you have to have it filled by February 15th,
right? And it's only like a 30-day window or something that you get, right? No, no. Oh, you rather do the hydration. Okay. Well, this the city doesn't not to interrupt you, the city doesn't stock the lake, just so you know. Correct. But the lake So it could be prevent it from being stocked if necessary. No. So they
Right. They Yeah, but it shouldn't be necessary unless we in the only situation would be if we needed to drain the entire lake, which not be really desirable at all. Well, we drain it every year. So Well, yeah, we typically drain, right? Well, they always complain that that one drains, too. Well, yeah,
but the stop logs weren't really working properly. But technically, that bridge is a dam and then there's another dam downstream um with the swimming portion. Fixing that damn part is that's part of the project. Yeah, they're going to end up replacing that and it'll be um because you tried to go in there with
Yeah, you can't. They're fixing that during this project, right? And it never drains completely on the one side on correct. It's still a stream that that flows through the middle there, but we lower the water levels and it does it does keep the fish in there. So, yeah, but uh if they if we were to drain the
upper half, you've essentially gotten rid of the fish up there and then, you know, I don't know how well they would do on the lower half. Um but anyway, so the the bridge will go first. That'll take about a year. Then the county is positioned to repave the road um which I believe will be from route 30 out to the
bridge and then um they're expecting the bike path to be able to move forward immediately after that. Uh so you have they wouldn't do the bike path with the street. Wouldn't that make sense? Different. I asked the same question. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. To be the
impervious surface though. That's the problem. So they're they're trying Yeah. They were trying to work out the timing. Um that was really the the biggest issue I think was they they the bike path portion has still not been able to get pilots permitting. Um they're asking for additional design assistance funds on
this agenda which will go through DOT so it won't cost you guys anything directly but they're asking for more money to go out and do test pits and boardings and and all that. Um so I think part of it has to do with the fact that that's not ready to go and the county doesn't want to continue to delay their project. They just want to say
this is what we're doing. you can go after us. The other part is that um the bike path itself will be constructed of pvious pavement material which is not what the rest of the road will be constructed with and the face underneath of it will be different. So um it's it's kind of two construction processes
anyway. Um so it doesn't necessarily need to happen at the same time and the and the whole road is designed with like umbrella drainage where it's just a Vshape and everything drains off to the side. So um it's not critical to do it at the same time. Um so that's that's the schedule as they envision it. So I
just wanted to share that with everybody. Um last two last one thing there'll be um the land use board made a referral back to city council based off our last meeting. Uh an applicant came in to uh construct a front access
driveway which is not permitted in the city's ordinance. Uh we have waved a couple at city council but for existing homeowners um because they're not at the land use board for any other reason. Um this gentleman built a brand new house and u his original plan had a driveway on the front. Um the city approved plan
in general, not really focusing on the driveway. Um and then when he asked about the driveway, he said, "Well, that's not actually permitted in the ordinance. You have, you know, you have to build in the back." Uh the complication is that there's no road behind him. It's just dirt. So um didn't really seem fair to have uh require
someone to put a parking pad or have their driveway out to a dirt road and a paved street right in front of them. Um, and there were six or eight other houses on the same street that all have front access driveways for somebody. So, uh, the referral back from the planning board to city council was to consider modifying that ordinance to only apply
in situations where there's p a paved terrace at the rear of the property. So, someone doesn't get stuck in this hole where they're required to put a driveway, there is no road, and they have to come up with board for relief from that requirement. So, did they give approval for that? They did. They did grant approval. Uh in fact the board solicitor kind of um made the case for
them at the very beginning and said like you don't have to approve this but you can't really deny it. So um so yeah they they did ultimately approved as a design waiver. Ryan I I was I was yes
pardon me. Ryan yeah I I was at the meeting. Um I Okay. I took Carl's place and my my question to you is and the reason that I voted for it was I thought you couldn't park on that street. Can't and you can park on that
street. Can you not? I mean I I have I've seen people parking there and I don't see any signs and I don't see any ordinance stating that you cannot unlike Well, I was trying I was trying to pull that up during the hearing and I I wasn't certain whether it was one way or
the other. There's no parking on Dawick Street. I think that the the misunderstanding that they that I don't know the miscommunication I guess was that people are generally not parking on the street because its driveway is all up and down the street with the exception of in front of this house. So
I think what they were getting at is you can't really park in front on the street there because there's so many driveway uh cuts there that you can't you can't really park there effectively. I think that's the point that they were trying to make. Ryan, go ahead. That's that's
not true though. I mean, I've been out there and people do park on the street. Sure. And I looked in the ordinance as well and they have Egg Harbor North in there that you can't, but they do not have that. They have many other things in there. Yeah. So, I voted only for
that reason because I believe that you said that you cannot park on that street. So, that that was what they presented. I I tried to sort of fact check them in real time, but wasn't able to get through the ordinance in in time in the hearing there. Um, so I I'm I
wasn't to be frank, I wasn't certain whether they uh whether that statement was correct or not. I was trying to verify that, but um but yeah, I again I I I think the guy misspoke. I don't think he intentionally misled the the uh
board, but I it's certainly possible. Okay. Thank you. Sure. Anything else, Ryan? That's it. I do have a couple questions. Um the Archway Green irrigation. Yes. What's an update
on that? Uh I don't know. I'll have to talk to um the MPP coordinator because we left the irrigation out of the bid because we were trying to keep prices down and you paid probably three times as much if we had done it through the contract as we could do it sort of separately because we talked about that
on the bill list. Jody, it's Yeah, I was going to say it must have been done. It was on the bill list. So it's completed. There you go. Okay. So didn't know where it ended up. Yeah, that's really important because of the way I think it was RW Brown, right? Is that the Yeah, they're so they're actually also the subcontractor to the
prime contractor to do the landscaping. So, I'm sure they they'll and also the archway green since that is not going or no the demolition on the Weisspecker building. Yes, that's not going to be done before the food truck. So, something has to be done about the front
of Weissers. It's either has to be painted or we need to put a sheet of plywood on it and paint it. But that that cannot happen at the food truck festival. Not that that's your problem, but Jerry, that might be your problem.
Put the mural back. I might just put the mural back. Why don't you gra like at the happy guy? Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. Right. And just to note about the um project at the old dump out
there that that wood, which was something I didn't think of, if we do complete that, we would get property taxes on it if they put a solar farm, which is a good thing, right? And obviously the community solar would be a good thing. So, it's a good project for everybody. Y um and if just for the
general public here, uh just to explain the term community solar, community solar is where the public gets to participate in the discounts that are offered. So, if we did did get a community solar project, you would be
able to sign up as a resident, get a discount on your electric bill. So, that's a good thing. And then I just have a question for Jody. Um, I heard Ryan say that CME was going to apply for another design grant. Did you get any
notice of that because they just got a they just got We emailed about that. That was the thing I think we had emailed about. They got approval for the addition. Are they I'm confused because I I felt like Ryan said they were going to apply for more, but they did actually get Yeah. the money, right? On your ordinance, I think, to accept it. Okay.
Okay. Agenda. Their agenda. Yeah. I'm sorry. And did they Ryan, did they talk about was the electric company was at the meeting, too? Yes. They did they talk about when they're going to start moving the poles because that's going to be a huge So the only the only part that needs to happen Oh, for the bike path. I
mean, yeah. No. No. They're still working on that part with them because that's going to be a big hold up. I mean, unless you get on that now, it's not going to it's not going to happen. Are they moving wires before they start moving poles? Yeah. Switching wires from one side of the street to the other for
the bridge. Yes. Yeah. for the well so for the bridge they're only anticipating moving or relocating five total bulls to start the project Verizon is the only one on the north side so they got to move Verizon to the south side first to the north side of the bridge move it over to that side and then they're just going to leave them on the north side
for the bike path the all the a bunch of the poles need to be kicked one way or the other so that they're out of the alignment of the bike path or the bike lance I should say so Jerry what's the process what are we going to do about that so I don't know if they're doing one side and they're pushing 10 ft in or
they're doing both sides of the pulse, both sides of the street. Well, I think we maybe we need a meeting with the county because I don't know if we participate that or the county does or BME is conducting the design. So, it's up to them to determine which bowls need to be moved and how far. But they should have that in their design already. They
should that should be done. The only thing we should be waiting for is that last piece of it. And I haven't had update from Mike Mlen, so I don't know. And this being mayor was just about the bridge. Didn't really talk about correct. Sean was there smell utilities for the rest of it. We didn't talk about
that. So, we do need a meeting for that, but I don't know if anything's prepared or ready to be discussed. Yeah. On their part, we're not right. No, it would be um Sean Patterson was the representative. He's the one doing that or working on that project. Okay. I just want to keep it on everybody's radar.
I'll reach out to Mike Mlullen again, but I haven't had much success. Yes. Sean um Sean Patterson is the the the guy who works for them who's actually actively working. Right. Well, Mike's boss. Yeah. So, I'll call him. You can deal with Sean. So, Ryan, I have a
question. Sure. Um, so when the voice becker property is demolished, since it's adjacent to the archway, how will the actual ground be left? So, the contractor is required to um essentially remove everything from the foundation
up. We're leaving in all the concrete. We're not digging any holes or any of that, right? Um, what's probably not obvious when you look at that building is the pad is more or less flat from the front of the building going back and the ground slopes up multiple feet. So, by the time you get to the back of the building, it's three feet down where
like the foundation comes up and the actual grade is 3 ft high. So, the contractor is required to get clean fill and fill it to grade. Um, essentially just grade it so that it's roughly evenly graded towards the front of the site. Okay. Um, so we've had discussions like what do we want to do there? We
want to put top soil and seed. Um but ultimately we want to preserve as much impervious cover as possible so that the next thing there doesn't have to deal with storm water management. Okay. We can preserve the site as you know 60 70% impervious. The next thing that we get built there could be 60% impervious and
not have to do any storm management. Okay. So that's that's the objective because you'll lose a whole bunch of that area to storm management if you lose that impervious cover credit. Yep. So when they're done it it'll basically be just a dirt lot for all intents purposes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. Yep. Anything
else? Sorry. No, I did have another question. I can't remember, but not I'll ask you tomorrow. Whatever. All right. Thank you. Uh, administrative number 13. Thank you. Um, I'll do DPW
first. So, obviously, it's been um tough week for um the employees at at the DPW, but uh they've worked through it. Uh they got everything done. We're caught up on a lot of things that we lost a lot of time on with all the rain that we
were having. Um the month of July, we'll be embarking on uh fresh, new, and replacing missing signs throughout all of our streets. Uh we have this nifty program that Ryan um didn't pay for, but got for us. And um so we're using that
now. Um, and then as I said, um, I was happy to learn that the punch list items at the pickle ball courts are getting done. So, that's good. Uh, as far as code, as um, Council Person Hessie said, uh, it was a very successful month for us. Uh, we
were able to remove, uh, three abandoned junk cars off of people's properties that had been there for a long time. Uh, we unfortunately found one person, uh, living in the shed. that was addressed. Um, numerous highrass resolutions um
have been resolved and uh the most successful part was Monday when a famous White Horse Pike building business um Rich Saunders and I successfully defended an appeal by that individual at the county construction board of
appeals. Um, so, uh, that was, uh, that was a good day. A good two hours. I'll never get back in my life, but it was a good day. Um, that's really it. Unless anyone has any questions. Do you want to talk a little bit about the RFQ or No, not at
this point. Oh, no, not right now. No, I'll I'll talk about that in July at the July meeting in detail. Okay. How's our sweet street sweeper going? Has it been out lately? Uh so our newer one is in for repair right now and our um former
street sweeper which we repaired will be out on Monday. So we missed one Monday but it's been out every Monday hitting the streets. Okay. Yeah. It's working good. Um, and we have the the bigger street sweeper.
Like I said, multiple times has been occurring. Is that's going to be like a regular thing where you're doing street sweeping on Mondays? Yep. Street sweeping on Monday. You need to get signage. But we have like no parking between so and so. We start with
Philadelphia Avenue and then we go through because on Mondays you're prohibited from parking Philadelphia Avenue from 3:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. We get out there early in the morning and do Philadelphia Avenue and then Raymond proceeds on with the other streets that he can do. Um so we haven't necessarily
gotten into that what you're talking about yet. Um we'll have to at some point. Yeah. But agreed. But where are we where are we going to park? There's nowhere. Yeah. So that's right. So it impossible. We've done many of the side streets alleyway. Truthfully, we haven't done any avenues because they're pretty
much bumper to bumper on on the avenues as far as parking, but Raymond has done quite a few side streets and then of course we've done parking lots as far parking lot and those kinds of parking lots, but they're used to fails. Mondays are our day this week, Nette. Okay. Well, I'll barking back on Mondays.
Okay. Because it never fails. They come up the street and they go around my car. Yeah. And I I am the only house that has a dirt on it. Everybody else is clean. Anything else, Jerry? No, that's it. Thank you. I have a question. Crusaders,
you know, the announcement booth. Um, yeah. So, are the doors and the the locks? I'm sorry, I should have added that. So, we are putting in a new door that has been contracted and should be up um within the next few days. Okay. If
not ne by the end of next week. Um we've contracted and issued a PO for the announcer gates. Uh Raymond and I went in there to try to work on the ceiling, but we realized that the insulation was not appropriate to be there. M. So,
we're replacing all the insulation and we've ordered and Lowe's has our ceiling tiles. Okay. Which are going to be like um bathroom weatherproof kind of moisture proof ceiling tiles. And then our electrician has provided us a quote.
So, everything is set and slowly things will get done definitely within by the end of July. Okay. By the end of July, uh Ingred everything will be done. Okay. Yeah. So, we have all those pieces of that puzzle in motion right now. All right. Yeah, because uh we already started the practices and we're starting
to clean up the concession stand and the gear shop and I just want to make sure that I'm not going to either be locked out or not be able to get into the announcement booth cuz that cuz that that lock is one or two turns away from not. So, there was several individuals
who tried to who said we should keep that lock until the person who's changing the door said there's no way we're keeping that lock. Okay. So it'll be a new lock and everyone will have to have new keys. Okay. Yeah. You won't have that issue. And you're getting a roll down gate for the the one facing the field. Yeah. One facing the field.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the up on top are roll down gates as well. Instead of those boards that get hung to the ceiling, right? They're roll down gates now. And the ceiling. Is that upstairs and downstairs that you guys are doing the ceiling? Just upstairs. Just upstairs. Upstairs with new LD lighting throughout the whole ceiling. Upstairs.
Okay. So it won't be a dungeon looking thing anymore. Yeah. With the wood paneling. Yeah. Yeah. No. So, the paneling is getting paid. Okay. All right. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jerry. Uh number 14, city attorney. Um the only thing I will say is that
Jerry got us a draft copy of the RFQ for um the north development. Uh we're reviewing it. We should have all comments finalized back um hopefully early next week. Next week's goofy week because of the 4th of July, but um uh we're hoping to get that back, but it'll
be it'll be ready to go uh sometime in the beginning of July for first. We're only going to have one meeting in July. So, yeah, the RFQ was already approved to get Yeah, we're just going to finalize. We're just tweaking language now. Okay. Or at least the lawyers were tweaking
language. Yes. What we did, right? Anything else? No, that's it. Okay. Number 15 is a resolution authorizing updates for the Acart City personnel manager. Is there a motion?
Have discussion? Well, we do the motion first and then we'll have questions. Is there a motion? Motion. I'll make the motion. Motion second. Second. Motion made second. Questions on the motion? I was the um the manual is
is very large. I had a hard time determining what was new, what was being changed, and what was Did you read the mayor's letter? Because it said it clearly what was new, old, and changed. Well, as I went through the manual, like I couldn't really It's hard to follow
for that. Yeah. Yeah. Formatting. There's a table of contents that shows the change the actual changes. So, some one from last year. Yes. So, you could compare them. I can't put both in there. It would be much longer. Okay.
I I guess my my point is a lot of times when there's large documents that are being amended, there's usually uh editing notes that go alongside so you can see that this has changed. Things go in brackets. Uh things get highlighted. That would be the draft, but I don't I
don't have a draft. President, I have things that were added and revised. that could it's a very short list so I can read that I can read that um so added were the code of ethics administrator's job description the employees week I'm sorry employees work
hours and rest policy expenses reimbursement policy use of municipal property policy as well as video surveillance policies those were added to the manual revised were the employment application the number for
part-time employees in the code department. As everyone knows, we added an additional part-time code enforcement officer. Uh use of electronic scheduling and payment platforms uh which ties in with the program that we're using at the in the code department and digitalizing
the inspection logs uh in the code department. Similarly, we're we're going all electronic in the code department. What was removed um Steve was the employee request for special court pay form. since we don't have a port anymore. That was it really. And wasn't
that was on the mayor's letter. You just read that off the mayor's letter except for what Kim's suggestions were. Is it the mayor's letter? Yeah, I'm reading the mayor's letter. So So go ahead. What? Me? No, no, I it was included with the resolution. Second page. Yeah. What was the revision, the heading? Yeah. But
the mayor's letter was included with the document because Joe Jackie copied it. The whole thing. She scanned it. Right, Jack? Yes. Just to be clear that that's what it is. And those, by the way, those recommendations I got to add the new
items with the exception of the um camera policy came from Angela Cost again from the GIF, the Atlantic County JIF. That's where I'm I'm not debating any changes. I'm just saying I I had a hard time I had a hard time differentiating the different language
on each of those items. I understand that there's some new things, but if there's things that are changed, it's just it was just the application. I just took I just put are you are you related to anyone that works in city hall? That was the only change. Okay. Was there
another one jar that I'm missing? There were minor revisions in the fact that like I said we added we don't have a court person anymore. We don't have a court we added an employee in the code department. So these were these were highlighted and pointed out to me by the chair of the code committee. Uh and then we have electronic scheduling challenry
or I can't pronounce it too well. And then that wasn't that weren't my changes. Those were those were and then uh digitizing the inspection logs which is how we're point there there's different changes in there not just what you did it makes it hard to follow if if they're
not like if it's not actually like if you look at like legislative things when there's when there's edits you can usually follow along like this this is what it used to say this is what it's being replaced with or this is being added well this was the final copy that I made with the exception of what I
got from Kim or what you know what she emailed that was supposedly the final copy and there really weren't any other changes but the application everything else was just brand new. Mhm. That's the question. Why are we putting the amount of employees that are I don't know and I don't know why we're describing it was
in there it was in there was in there as four now we have five. So I mean I didn't know I don't know if we're removing something like that. It was basically job descriptions that has nothing to do with civil service or anything formal that we advertise. I was asked by Nette several year two years
ago to provide job descriptions for all the employees at city hall. So I'm not an expert on what they do. So I asked them to give me what they do in during the day which is probably a million times bigger than what's on their job description. Do you think it should be
in there? The amount of employees? I do not. No. Can I just make a suggestion? Can we table this until the next meeting? Yeah, but we do have new employees that are going to be given a a outdated handbook. But what what would we why can't we just discuss since there's a motion on the floor? What you
want to change? That would be better. I want to change. What I'm saying is it's hard to follow. But if you look at the employment application and you look at job description and code enforcement, okay, and look at what's the other one? the some sort of a platform that they
use now that's put in there somewhere. Was that originally in there? All digital were digital. And was that originally in the job description? And the reason No, not in the job description. But the reason I think we wanted in the handbook is because I've been trying to reinforce the fact that we need to use the electronic platform
that we pay for with the employees. Right. Right. But my my point was like Steve Hadley, he would say, "Use the blah blah blah to do my job to log this in." So, was there something on there that was inserted that says, "Okay, so
that's where I'm getting a little confused with that." But hey, whatever you want to do is fine with me. But these are the changes and I don't see where some of them fit in. However, you know, the only change I made was put that on the application. That was it.
everything else is brand new. I'm not saying I don't approve of anything that you did. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying as a as a very very large document, right? It's just hard for me to follow where exactly all of the changes are. Right. Well, we have two options. I
Steve was I had a hard time looking for some of the stuff I wanted to read. Can I make a suggestion next time we next time that we we go through this? So, it's obviously a word. It started off as a word document. Was it printed out and scanned? Yeah, it's there PDF. Okay. So,
scanned PDF was scanned on a machine. It wasn't Yeah. So, if if we can do a conversion like there is some free programs out there and we probably even have it system document. That's what I'm saying like if like you send it out as a PDF which will definitely make it a
smaller document um and more clean and the format is a format but if we convert it to a PDF or use a PDF printer that way just all electronically it'll be a lot easier to do a control F to be able to find like for me when I saw code of ethics I'm trying to look I'm trying to
do the control F to look for code of ethics and it wasn't coming up. Did you look at the um the uh table of contents? Yeah, it's not it it's not there. Like it was just going through pages. I finally found it like on page 23. What did you do? What
did you do? A control F. Control F wouldn't show up. You don't need to do that. You just search for the dot to search for the the way you don't you don't need to do that though. The way it's presented to you is in a table of
contents. So it says under one of the subtitles employee code of e ethics has a page number on it. Mhm. So I don't understand how that could not be found when I was looking through. It's a highlighted link. So all the code all the contents are all highlighted links
and you click it and it goes right to it. That wasn't on the for you have that program. I have that. I have a tablet and a telephone. I see. I see. I am 1942. That's what I own. I'm sorry. I don't have a laptop. I don't have a desktop. I have a tablet my daughter
gave me she didn't use in college and a cell phone. That's it. Okay. We have two options here. I'm like one is we can Steve, you mentioned tape. Yeah. Is that a motion? That's a motion that would take precedent. Yeah. Make I I can I say
I think we really just need to hash it out. I mean what is it that you want that has to be tabled? Nothing else is get being added. The only thing if you don't want you're saying what I'm voting that's all. I'm not debating anything that's in there. I'm not saying I would like I still can't in my brain. I don't
know what you're talking about, but it says clearly if I had a my I don't have it on my laptop, but it says clearly all the policies on there. Policy code policy. There's policies that are being changed, but there weren't. Nothing was
changed in the manual. It's the same that it was before it was added. So, if you want to know what the code of ethics policy is, you cross reference. Okay. The mayor says she changed she add it. Go under the add it code of ethics. You go to your table of contents. It says
code of ethics policy fully and then you read it. So I'm confused. So you didn't I had no problems uh mayor with with going through it myself and I went through everything the whole thing and that's how I found what I needed to add to it. Just like with
the code it's it's you look look in the appendix. So, so like Councilwoman Hessie had suggestions to make changes. She read it. She She read it. I understand. So, she found she things that she wanted to change. Yeah. And that's what everybody supposed to do. I
understand that. I understand that. And I'm not saying Excuse me. I'm speaking. I'm not saying that I want to make changes. All I'm saying is I want to fully understand any of the changes that are in the manual before I vote. That's all I'm saying. Well, we're going to
give employees that just started a old manual. What did you give employees that started six months ago? An old manual that was from 2023. Okay. But now that we have revisions that are important to Can I ask you please
the code of ethics? Is that a brand new addition? Okay. Yes. This is what I'm trying to understand. Are there change under your mayor's? Are there changes? Like say the um job job descriptions, are there changes or is it everything
that's listed in your letter? Are they all brand new additions or are some of them where you changed and you tweaked what was here? Did you want to read that again? Sure. No, I can read it. I read it. I'm not If it says if it says additions, that means it was added. If
it says revisions with this revised, that was the Okay, then does Okay, let me read it again. We're going to take a little order here. Um, Councilwoman Hassie, you were saying something? Yes. And what I was saying was I sent
out all of the changes that I wanted to the code committee so they themselves can review it. I put the page down. I put exactly what it was and what needed to be changed, what I thought needed to be changed so anyone can respond back to
me from the code committee. Then I gave as I gave it to Jerry and he he moved forward with it since there were no changes from the code committee and that's how that transpired. It wasn't just me. There was no issues with what
Kim she was just kind of like make sure it'd be comfortable if this is in there because we do want the employees which is a personnel policy right a personnel manual we want the employees to use the digital platforms that we are paying for to be able to to utilize them right so
it's not really it needs to go someplace where that directive is and it seemed to fit well in the personnel manual okay getting back to my point before you made a motion to table. Is there a second? Second. You want to second that? Yes.
Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Roll call, please. This is to table. Table. Clark, yes. Dash, yes. Dovy, no. Galloway, yes. Heist, yes. Hessie, no.
Kener, no. Timbers, no. Yes, it's board four. I think it's board four. Mayor, no. So, that table is not active. So, uh do we
have a motion to update the manual and authorize the resolution? Is there a motion? Motion. Second. Motion made and seconded. Roll call, please. Discussion. discussion. Go
ahead. Has has our attorney reviewed this these changes? Um I have not I mean I've seen the changes on u that they send out annually um that have been adopted and that's where I got them from because Angela gave me gave them to me last year. Yeah, they go out to everybody. So I I have
seen and reviewed the updated legal policies. The other ones are So this was in the works before you came aboard. Yeah, pretty much. So are so are you are you giving your approval on your stamp of approval on these changes based on the mail changes? I mean I think it's prudent to update the policy because you
need to update it with current law, right? Um and they require you to do that and they actually give you a discount as you uh for your for your deductible when you do when you do pass the policy. So the other change was the other revisions. I mean they seem mine are just workplace revisions. I haven't
personally reviewed them based on Jerry representation. It's just, you know, adding minor things to to employment applications. I don't see a problem with it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Roll call, please.
Clark, yes. Dash, yes. Doby, yes. Galloway, I'm going to abstain because I don't have enough information to make a a decision. Yes. Hessie, yes. Yes. Timbers, yes. Okay. The
resolution passes manual is updated. And can I ask a question, Jerry? Did you make those changes that the Kim requested? I made the four to five change. The other ones I still need to. So, if that
changes the table of contents, you'll have to revise the table of contents. And God bless you. Good luck. I know. Yeah. There was some of those areas where I couldn't change all of a sudden for some reason. You've got like ghosts in that program. I know. I tried to get
rid of them, but it wasn't happening. No, it's not. I mean, if you want to send it back to me, I can try to work on it. No, no, no. I because it's yours now. It's all yours. I'm done. I'm done. You can do whatever you want. The administrator's letter.
Number 16 on agenda is resolution chapter 159 additional design assistance for the bikeway final design. Is there a motion? Motion there. Second. Second. Motion made and
second. Questions on the resolution. Roll call, please. Cler, yes. Dash, could you? Yes. Galloway. Peter. Yes. Chambers. Yeah, I think someone's trying to ask a question. Kim, are you trying to ask a question? I
jump. I can't hear it breaking up. Yeah. Do you want me to explain this? Yes. I just have a question. Sure. Uh about it. Is Is this about the bike path? Yes. Breaking up. Yes, I'm breaking up. Okay. Okay. So,
she's I guess you can't hear me at all. You can't hear me. We can hear you. You're in and out. Sorry. Forget it. Are you a Yes. Is it the bike path? Yes. It's for the bike path. It's the design for the bike path. It's being funded by
the state of New Jersey. Yes. Okay. Resolution passes. Number 16. I mean, yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Let me stop and hold. Yes. Heer. Yes. Timbers. Yes. I just
Okay. Number 17. I hope they're not all like this. Resolution authorizing the of nonfair and open contract for perch purchase and installation of the concrete pad. Some moved. Second. Motion made. Second.
Questions? Uh, this is for the fitness park. Yes. Okay. I have a question. What's the source of the funding for this grant and small cities grant? Small cities grant. Roll call, please. Clark, yes. Dash,
yes. Doy, yes. Galloway, yes. Heist, yes. Pessie, yes. Kener, yes. Timbers, yes. Resolution passes. Number 18, approval to submit NJ dot time extension for the award of LA-2023
SST a Carver city transit path extension phase three second extension on December or two December 11th 2025 at long last is it Avenue motion just
didn't motion second questions Yeah. Uh Brian, could you describe this project where where this phase is? Yeah. So, phases three and four are um phase three is the extension um
along Atlantic to Braymond and up Braymond to the bus stop. Um we applied for an extension for this and we're granted it. But by the time we were granted the extension, we needed another extension. So, and we did a bunch of them a few months ago, right? So, yeah. Okay, roll clear.
Dash, yes. Dovy, yes. Galloway, yes. He timbers, yes. Resolution passes. Number 19, a resolution for a lean payoff and refund of over pay overpayment of property taxes for 100% disabled
veteran. Motion second. Motion made second. Questions? Roll call. Clark, yes. Dash, yes. Doy, yes. Galloway, yes. Heist, yes. Hessie, yes. Kanir, yes. Timbers, yes.
Resolution passes. Number 20, public hearing or ordinance number 7, 2025, capital ordinance for the purchase of trash and recycling carts. Is there a motion to hold a public hearing? Motion. Second. Motion made and
seconded. All those in favor? I opposed. Okay. The public hearing is open. Anyone wish to be heard? Uh before we do that, uh Jody, would you show some of those pictures that I sent you? Sure. Sure.
One of the questions about this these trash carts are um the fact that we were told that everyone has these carts already. And my wife and I took a ride around town when people put out their
trash the last couple weeks. And you'll see hopefully um what we saw. Can you go a little slower? Sorry. Yes. Can you make it a little bigger or you want a lot Jeff? So many
zoom. The the bottom line is too many people have the cards. Is that a little better? Number one. Number two. Got to go back to it. Number two, the blue the little or can you see the pictures? No. Our ACA
representative here. But um I guess the blue recycling barrels were given out uh to people who asked for them for a long time. That seems to be what most people have and they're putting both trash and
recyclables in it. And our goal with this project, and I'm maybe I'm speaking out of turn at this point. I I just want to get this point across is to encourage people to recycle more so that our tonnage and trash reduces which would
pay for this more than pay for this program. And what we saw was just what you're seeing now is there are trash in these recycle bins and probably not too many recyclables in those. And it was recycle week when we took these
pictures. And again, this is only two blocks of the town, but we did ride around. Didn't take pictures everywhere, but uh this is what we saw. So, yeah. Greg, is there any comments you want to make about the program and what
you see from the AC? Yeah, please. I'm turned it on. I did turn it on. It's on. Now it's on. I'm Greg S, director of cell waste at the L County Toys Authority. Month ago, I guess we at the
first presentation for this. Um, so many municipalities are moving the cart program. Uh, collection service in general towards carts. uh it's more efficient whether it's a side load or just having all the ones easier for the
staff to do so and other than I think it's very difficult proposition right now so we can make it easier make it quicker we do just collection time having everything collection time guys aren't plugging all
different size containers random bags in there so that is a huge benefit for the municipality as was mentioned this will increase recycling rate tools will reduce your trash time. What we've seen in um six municipalities that we've done it in
uh Betner, Absin, Brigantine, uh View Vista, G City, Hamilton uh or excuse me, Hamilton Township 10% increase in recycling. So that's material that would usually be thrown in the trash you pay for to dispose of going to recycling
which you don't pay for to dispose of. That is a significant potential increase or potential decrease in expenditure by the city. And Greg, not to interrupt you, but we pay half a million dollars, $500,000 for our tipping fees for trash.
If we reduce the trash by 10%, that's $50,000 a year. We would save. Well, potentially 10% increase in recycling doesn't necessarily include 10% because of the weight. So you're different different piles, but you know the 10 10%
increase in recycling you were taking in with your out of and tipping is not that whole 500,000. That's like really our whole amount that we paid. But you have your um your um bill list this week for May the tipping fee. It was about 16,000
I think portion. So it's it's like like yeah 109 like about let's say approximately 200,000 is what our tipping fees there's the direct savings right there. um litter litter mitigation, too. So, you're going to reduce the amount of material that comes out of containers gets blown around the city. Um it's just
a a nicer look. Um if you've been to a town that has this, you'll see you'll see it. Um certain towns will mandate the use of the carts, others provide them. They don't mandate them. Veter for instance does mandate use of the cart. So, if you go through Vetner on a trash recycling day, you'll see all the carts,
same carts lined up. Looks nice. Looks presentable. So, we didn't see this. No, you may not see that. Um, but you know, it's also up to the city on how you want to have your ordinance. If you're going to mandate the carts or not, whether whether you buy them or not, you also would have to
mandate them, right? But again, you know, you're going to reduce your tonnage, which is a huge savings, decrease your recycling, and um potentially you would see a reduction in your collection cost because it becomes easier for us for us to collect cards and the tone. I have a question for you.
I I was sick the last when you were here the last time. I apologize, but I live out in the rural area of Egg Harbor. Every time we buy a brand new trash can, we go to Home Depot. We buy the pretty trash can with the lid with the wheels. We wheel it out to the end of the road with our trash in it. Your guys come by,
they take somebody comes by and they take our new trash can. And this has happened more than once. We literally have to take our trash can, spray paint it, make it look like it's 93 years old to put it out with our trash so nobody steals. So if I will these carts out to
the road, your pretty carts and they're you they're the cities. They're not mine because they're not giving them to me. I can't make them look 93 years old. When your guys take the trash and the guy behind them takes those trash cans, how
do I replace that? So the city, you'd have to reach out to the city, but if it's being used anywhere where we do collection service, we would be able to find the cart. The cards have been RFID. Like think about your easy pass, right? Yeah. So every time our truck drives by it, it registers that. So also you would put the seal on for us. Yeah. There
would be So for instance, a car in Ventner would show up somewhere in Gway. Someone saw it. One of our staff members saw it and someone's backyard in Gway and said you you know, you weren't supposed to have that here. And they said, oh, I'm sorry. And went back to Benter. It's property of the city. So if it shows up in another town in
But how long does that take? Well, to see it, it depends on if someone sees it. But if it's actually used at a curb, our truck would register the next time it gets picked up. Okay. So then what do I do with my trash that's now piling up because you'd have to the city would
have say my was stolen and the city would have to provide you and in the meantime you could in the meantime you could use another container. Um actually that depends on the ordinance the city passes for what goes to the curb. Um because that that's my whole thing like
I can't tell you how many times I've had my mailbox stolen my you know it's what happens when you live out in the woods and you know you get the pride of the woods and no neighbors but you also have the people who steal the things straight you know out from in front of your home. So, Donna, the same situation when I was
public works manager in Hamilton happens all the time. And so, we had extra cans. We would provide you the can and then we would we have a liazison uh that works with us uh Kenny uh that works uh with the with the city. I'd let Kenny know,
hey, this address had a can missing. Just reported the can missing. And then everyone would be alerted. All the readers that are in the the trucks, if it ends up on uh you know, if it ends up on on London, it'll show up that that can not supposed to be there. We collect that can, bring it back to you because
it would be the whole thing is like with the boat works out in the Sweetwater area, all those guys driving by, they have to pick up trucks and they just and so Right. But and there'll be on occasion, doesn't happen very often, but there'll be on occasion where I don't know where my can is, can't find our
can. So then it's our obligation to give you the other can and and that's really how it goes. Just how it goes. How big would this seal be on pretty big pretty big I mean it's pretty big. Pretty big on the side. So I guess can be put on the side. Yeah, absolutely. Property of
city. See see that see that on on the on Yeah. Yeah. I mean the container is roughly the size so you can fit them pretty big. Right. How many trash cans and recycle cans would we be purchasing? Uh so you know the this isn't going to be the exact number but the number we
got a quote for was the total of uh uh 1,750 homes. So you'd be getting,750 of each. I have one more question which is more for council. If we have a um home that is broken up into four
apartments, how are we working that? Like I said I wasn't here. I apologize. That was a big topic of the code committee. You want to report on that? No, no. Okay, could do it. Councilwoman, you want to report on that? Yes. Could you repeat
that question one more time? Donna, I said if we if we have like a a multi-unit home, like four or five apartments, how are we working that with cans? Are they going to get, you know, four or five cans, one for each unit or how's that going to work? Yes, it was
one one for each unit. That's what we have decided on. one of each one of each for each unit and and that's the those are the numbers that we provided Greg and that's again there's also discussion of different potential
smaller parts in certain situations so this number isn't the final number you'll come back with exactly what you want but this is pretty category for us there's a four family house the four unit house they would get four of each. Yeah. So, we're purchasing
30 3500 tons pretty much. Yeah. The cost is $182,000 uh per year. It's like $37,000 a year. It's a fiveyear program with the US or ACUA, no interest. And we believe based
on history of other towns that the recycling difference with the uh versus the trash will more than pay for that. But the reason to really purch this these things is to clean up the trash in the city. And that's the bottom line
really. We can't keep going on with trash. The other thing I I I think is really important that these cards should be kept off the asphalt and put onto private property, not in the right of way. That's a problem because they're
big and if they're left on the asphalt, cars are going to ride into them and then they're going to get ruined. So, it's up to every resident of the city to do their part to make the city a better place to live. And I've lived here for
45 years. I'm up to here with trash and I we have to do this. It has to pass. I I'll freak out if it doesn't because it's I'm sick of trash. So So of the the 3,500 cans that we'll be purchasing, um
they'll be replacing I would think 3,500 or more trash cans, maybe even possibly maybe twice that many since these are large. Um, are all of those those maybe 7,000 trash cans are they all recyclable?
Yes, you so well it depends on type material essential, but they can be exposed. Typically when someone's disposing of one, we it becomes complicated because our guys see a trash can. Okay. But we tell them, you know, so how will this be addressed? The 7,000
extra trash cans that are now not being used in the city. How will we address that? Some people want to keep their old ones, use them for something else in their property. But if they want to get rid of them, they can advise us, you know, we can give you language, you know, put an X, put an X on it, put a note on it. As long as there's a note
for our guys to take it, they will take it. They just need to know because they don't. It's a 95gallon tote. Put it inside it. We do that, too. We We will take it. Just we need, you know, when this rolls out, it it wouldn't make sense for the town to let everyone know the procedure. So, we don't leave those
cars there. Can we do a special collection to pick up those old uh cans potentially? Just to get rid of them. I still have a couple more questions. Um that's just just to be clear, might not want to get either. I get rid of Oh, sure.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Um what if someone is is handicapped to the point where they can't move a 96 gallon trash can in and out on trash day? So, there are there are smaller options in certain towns. Um there's some uh developments have very little space so they do a
smaller car or again you have an elderly resident this came up recently too. Yeah, there's smaller cart options at the city by the way. So this question for the council then so are we going to be accommodating people that need different sizes? I think they would be the exceptions versus the rule. I would
say yes. Yeah. Okay. This came up to another town and some of the senior citizens did complain that they didn't want to move that. Yeah. cuz I can tell you right now there's no way my leg is moving at six gallon. They they had a procedure for doing it. The person had
to contact public works and public works went out and investigated to make sure that that was the case because there was a lot of not a lot but there were some people who were objecting to buying the carts in the first place. So they found out that there were very few people that
needed smaller carts. Okay. And the um the $82,000 Um, where's that money coming from? Jody, you want to report on that? 182. Just Oh, I'm sorry. I meant the 182. We did an um there's that's
what the ordinance is for and it's from the um fund balance that we have. The utility fund balance is what we funded it from. So, this is the same fund balance that we had moved 85,000 over for the budget last year or year before.
Is that the same surplus in utility? Yes. and and that that actually moving that 85,000 met with a lot of resistance if I remember. Isn't that correct? Anybody? Okay. So, so the 182,000 hours that'll
be moving from the uh essentially the surplus from the utility, will that wipe out that utility surplus? I'm sorry, say that again. the $182,000 that you're going to that we're going to move out of the the surplus from the
utility. Will that wipe out that surplus? No. No. No. No. And how much would be left? Well, first of all, this is a 5-year program. We're not paying 182 upfront. I understand it's 37,000 a year. Okay. And
so next year, if we do save, as we anticipate, we save money from the regular budget for the tipping fees, we would use that to pay for next year. There's still there's there's over $3 million in surplus and sitting and
surplus for the utility. And this 182 is just like the top number. It could be lower depending on I still don't No, but I'm saying like if we end up getting the small if we have a couple residents like it may be a drop in the bucket but at least it doesn't change much. You would you say that? No.
And going back to the small card issue. So typically you would issue issue unless there was a circumstance you absolutely know like a certain set of homes that it couldn't fit there. You would issue everyone a larger cart and then people don't think they can handle it and then they're okay with it. But then you want to get people that can't
and so but typically you're going to issue larger cars Chevrolet and then as needed you would get the smaller cars and so and then Joe we would be involved in changing out the car. So we would get 64 right we we take the 96 from them give them the 64s and then we would use that
96 someplace else somewhere else to replace parts. I have to say years ago I don't know how many years ago is when we first started using the big parts. I was against them. I thought, why would I have that big thing? It's the best thing that we ever had. And my wife, she's out
there all the time doing it. I understand. If you're ever missing, I know where to look for you. But, um, no, if you were ever missing, I mean, I have I have I have two homes in Ann Arbor City. One home absolutely needed 96 gallon totes, and they have
them. I purchased them from anybody. Um, so I understand that there's definitely times where they're needed. Yeah. Um, my own personal house, we use maybe 30 gallon can every and so I don't know that my house needs 96 gallon tote. I know some people that don't put it out
trash for a month. Yeah, you do that. It's halfway full. Greg, they have them in 64s and then do they still have 32s? Takes a lot of time on Tuesday. Probably get that small also. And again, this is something we can look at the stats on some other municipalities and give you all get this many small ones at a time.
Yeah, we we did maybe a few dozen 64s and gave them out to mostly um mostly elderly people, people with disabilities. It wasn't a lot. And it doesn't take long to get these shipped either. It's like, you know, a month. So if you need more, they get here quickly. Okay. I just want to be careful because
we are using tax dollars. So the other thing may or may not want Steve, when when you weren't at the last meeting, we did discuss how much it is if someone were to get one themselves as opposed to what it is what it costs us
individually. I think it was like $48 as opposed for the 96 gallon as opposed to what was itund and something Ryan Yes. So it's a big big difference if someone had to go out there and get one for themselves. a large one and it's not
even as well made as the ones that we're getting. Okay. And what are we doing with the one homes that have them already? Are they getting additional ones? One of the things that was brought up and I think you brought it up Greg the last time
that if you have a recycling bin 93 ounce, uh we have stickers that you could put on the side and make that your yard trash, you know, your yard. Okay. And that's what that new. So, okay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, so there's other uses that happens in the business past.
People already have them. They can keep them. They can sell the other one, give it to someone else. Okay. I I see I've seen people using old ones all the time, all the new ones. So, it's Okay. That's all my question. Thank you. Um and then I just have one last one. Um
it's more of just a proposal. Um, piggybacking off of uh, Councilwoman Galloway's idea about having like the specific like dump day uh, for our city administrator, would we be able to just maybe arrange something so that people drop it off at like the public works
building at the at the garage, the trash cans that they are not no longer using? That way we have one central spot and then have, you know, the ACA come pick it up right from that one spot. I'd get a dumpster get a dumpster from them and it would just be that just throw it in there. Yeah, that's pretty much pretty
good idea. All right, that's it. Once they're issued, um, yeah, please come up. State your name. We did we did open it to the public, but I spoke first. I'm sorry. The question is, um, once they're
issued, are they going to be tracked? We're going to be able to know who has these trash cans in case someone needed a replacement one. Or he's shaking his head. Yes. Behind you, sir. My name's Joe Farn also. I'm sorry I
missed that part. So, you know, they have the RFID which has a number attached and all the carts will actually also have a serial number as well. So, part of the services the company that produced these cards will deliver them and they'll have an address match to every serial number which ACUA
will get, the city will get. So you'll know where all the thoughts are at. Yep. Okay. Um I know we talked about if we if you don't need it, but is there an opt out policy also? Personally, I I won't need them. I mean uh if there is like a a a
surplus where people uh could use Why wouldn't you need it? I have two already and I only have two people living in my house and I have about three of the old the blue trash can the old blue recycling can I mean I don't I wouldn't need it for myself so I would rather see
it go with something one thing we're trying to do is clean up the alleys so that you don't have open containers so these containers have lids on them that's what I have I have you said the old blue ones the brown yeah I have them in addition to the So you wouldn't need
that if you had a a big one. You said you already have one. Yeah. I mean, but I don't need one that's going to be issued either. I mean, I would rather see it to go to a surplus or to somebody else that that would need it. That's what I'm questioning. What is the opt
out, you know, option that we're giving people? It's not an opt out. It would just be a um interaction between you and me. You'd call me up and say, "Look, Jerry, I don't really need these. Can you come pick them up?" we'd pick them up and then we'd use them for other uses or people who, you know, necessarily
maybe um had a trash can hit by a car that got destroyed or something along those lines because we will have a small stockpile of uh of cans, extras at DPW. One thing I would say to that though is uh I've been in other towns that have done this and there's something about
uniformity. Yeah. You know, having the new trash cans next to each other and down the street, you know, that it looks really good and not I'm I'm there. Rick helped me out years ago when I I
needed um the recycling. So I like I said, I just don't I I don't really need it. I would rather see it go to somebody that that could use it, but I don't I don't want to have four trash cans right as of right now. So, I just in case
other people don't really need it. I know we want to have people to adhere to this, which is which is great and I'm fine with that, but like I said, I don't I don't need it. Joe, how long have you had yours? I'm sorry. How long have you had your cans?
Probably five years or so. Yeah, cuz we bought cans also and I find that sometimes the handles come off. Oh, wow. So, if I were you personally, we've had ours probably for more than 5 years and I ACA actually came and fixed the handle for me because it was their
fault that they got it off. I would tape it and if you need a replacement, you have one because those handles aren't steady between every all the junk that I have in there, you know, just and and the car. I mean, other then the other thing
is Well, now I'd have to leave them out. Yeah, I leave mine out. Want to have to do that either. So, cars are in our alleyway all the time. We just pull them to the terrace when before they come. Mine are out all the time. And at night times I I don't even put
them out for like two weeks because I don't have enough trash. It's only my wife and and myself. So yeah, Joe, my my uh suggestion is right on the line of what Jerry said. This is Kim Hess. I'm on on Zoom. I'm council. Um is on the
same line as what Jerry said. However, instead of instead of taking not giving you the new trash cans, give you the new trash cans, we could take the old trash cans if they're and maybe we could find at public works another use for them.
Right. I would rather see them not go to waste and and to me I'm I'm not going to be I know I'm not going to need all that. No, I'd rather see it go to somebody or go to stay with the city. So yeah, I would I would think everyone
like Joe said, it should be uniform and again if they're going to be in the way and if Jerry could take those and use them at public works or you know there may be some other use that he can have for your old ones, not the cities. So the city everyone will have a city trash
can. So they should have that put out. I think it probably better that we do have a surplus anyway. But why don't you order the smaller one? Get a smaller one. The small ones. Um well, I mean I I have no argument against the big ones.
Yeah. I mean, I'm always the one that's putting them out. But um I really I don't need the small. I'm fine right break right now with everything that I have. It's it's to me it's just it's it would be a waste for me. So I'd rather
see go to a surplus. So just so the people have an option because I'm sure there are other people that also have that are in a sim situation like there's the one that are out there that that people have those big ones from what I in my travels they're beat up. They're
pretty beat up like Lisa said they're beat up. I have them as well. No, the other option I use one I had I have an extra one we got for yard waste and you just put the sticker on says yard waste. So then, you know what I mean? And you can always leave that out back. I mean,
you cut grass, you bag. Yeah, that's what basically I use for three months that I have. Okay. Thanks. Well, thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard? There was a comment. Oh,
all right. Hi. Yeah. So, yeah, this is Tracy 3:14 hour ago. So, um, how are you going to handle the yard waste then? Same way it's taken care of now. Okay. Yes. Same. Use the same blue buckets. Cool. That's what I wanted to know.
Thank you. Well, again, like we said, you could use an old container. She's gone. I want to read that yard wave should not go in either can. It should be completely separate. Right. But that's what they said. There stickers
can be put on the of an old can. And we have stickers here. They're available to And Greg did mention it, but we'll have parts. We'll have wheels be able to repair. We'll have lids to be able to repair. Um, we'll be able to get called resident can call us at DPW. We'll go
out and we'll repair their cans right there in the alley right on spot. I've been through this long time. It's worked out great. Anyone else wish to be heard? Thank you. Thank
you. Okay, seeing none, motion to close the public. One, I just need I have a question. Not a public hearing, but the blue totes that we now get two every two years for free. Yes. Can we still use the Not that I would need to now because
I'll have enough containers, but a lot of times one recycled container isn't enough. That's that's up to the city. That's up to how you create out there. Can Can we still use them, Kim? Uh, we didn't debate that at all, but I
can't see why not. Blue recycling. The blue recycling container. But what if you put a sticker on it that says waste, which I put my waste in it, my um yard waste, and they take it too, like do that. Okay, you could still do that.
Right. But Lisa, the bottom line is they need to use the the cityowned cans first. The recycling and the trash cans got that given. Yeah. That are provided by the city first. Okay. Gotcha. Thanks.
So, yeah, this is Tracy. I um the yard waste sticker on there works really nicely for the yard waste. So, I guess if the city or you can still pick them up at ACOA um to to show that it's not just regular recycling, that's actually yard waste. We have them here at city
hall, too, right? We have them here, Tracy. You can pick some up if you need more. Greg, I have a question. Um, give away the blue buckets. Yeah, it's where you have to buy them now. It depends on It's not as frequent. It used to be one a year. I think it's every every two
years I think it is. I understand that. Is it more? Yeah. Um, you can still get them, but I think it's like five years. So, we want to leave that. And they don't have lids. And if you have to buy a lid, how much is a lid?
Seven, I think. So, went down a little. That's what they charged me when I went there. Special. You'll have a bill. They like That's what I want. Okay. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? I make a motion. Motion made second. All in
favor? I opposed. Okay. Roll call for the resolution to adopt. Yes. Is there a motion? Oh, motion to adopt. Yes. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Motion being seconded. I just have one
more question. I'm sorry. Okay. Just one more question. Um, so if this passes and everyone gets a a a trash tote and a regular tote, um, can residents still in addition use a trash
can for trash? No. You have to use that. So, so, so we're So, we're going to restrict Yes. We're going to restrict citizens from using any trash cans except from these the ones you're being given. I mean, if you have a party, that was my question.
If you have a party and you have extra trash, then yeah, you could use it. That was my question. So, so they can use an addition to the city totes. They can still use additional trash cans if they need to. But they to condense. So, there'll be no there'll be no penalties
if they use an additional trash can. No, but they need a lid. There must be a lid. Has to be litted. Okay. The lid, Stephen, is in the current ordinance now. It has to be lid. Absolutely. But other than that, it would be picked up on the regular trash hatch. Okay, pick it up.
Okay, back to roll call, please. Clark, uh, yes. Dash, yes. Joby, yes. Galloway, yes. Heist, yes. Hessie, yes. Kainer, yes. Timbers, yes. A motion passes or
adoption of the ordinance and a motion to have a titles. And that's all part of it. Yeah, that's part of it. Okay, you got it. When will this take place? Good question. How long will it take? Once you put the order in takes about a month or less, they come pretty quick.
So, we'll have to work out specifics of what you want, but it's about a month from when I think for the citywide. Thanks for coming again. Uh number 21 on the agenda is a public
hearing for creating chapter 179 for the dumpster permit fee and guidelines in the code of a harbor city. Is there a motion to hold a public hearing? Motion second. Motion made in second. All in favor? I. And I can I Oh,
I'm sorry. Give a public hearing is open. Does anyone wish to be heard on the chapter 179? Can can I make a comment first, Joe? Just to remind everybody that this dumpster ordinance was recommended by the code enforcement
officers who have witnessed as I personally have witnessed our brand new street on Chicago Avenue had a dumpster sitting on it like the very next two days that was not properly put on the street with pads and whatever else was needed. Okay. Ruining a street that we
just got done, not once but twice. Okay. And Rich said that it would be helpful if we had an ordinance for dumpster. And that in my mind was maybe it's something else that you guys are going to talk about, but it was the debris from the
homes. Like if you're doing a remodel or a roof and you have a dumpster in front of your house, it's not like dumpsters as far as I know that are out there now for trash. This is a specific construction dumpster. This came up before. Yeah. And Mason actually brought
up about the tariffs and all that. Yeah. So, we table it and here it's back again. Yeah. So, just to be clear if there's a question that was requested by the code enforcement office and um it was actually suggested which I did I believe put in my letter original letter
to Chris that Pleasantville had a very good one if you want to model one or whatever. So, whatever we have now that's what it's and that's all I need have to say. Okay. Open to the public. Anyone should be heard on the dumpster ordinance.
Second call. Okay. Motion to close public hearing. So move. Second. Motion made. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Motion to adopt the ordinance. Make a motion.
Second. Roll call, please. Clark, yes. Dash, yes. Dovy, yes. Galloway, yes. Ty, yes. Pessie, yes. Kener, yes. Timbers, yes. Okay, that'll
change in the chapter 179 is adopted. Number 22 is the bill list. Is there a motion to I'll move it. Second. Motion made second to pay the bills. Questions on the bills? Roll call. Clark, yes. Dash, yes. Doy,
yes. Galloway, yes. Heist. Yes. Hessie, yes. Kener, yes. Timbers, yes. Okay. Number 23 is comments. Mayor, well, I have about four comments that I'd like to make, but for the sake of
time, I'm just going to not make them because it's I think it's pointless. But I just want to say happy 4th of July to everybody and I hope you celebrate with
just thinking about all the great things we have in our country and how fortunate we are to be Americans. That's all. Thank you. Thank you, uh, Councilwoman Galloway. Yes. I want to thank the council and the public for
allowing us to pass this uh trash container ordinance. It's been my goal since 2015 to get these the city to purchase these containers. uh was recommended by the green team in 2015
and it was proposed numerous times over the last couple years and I'm just ecstatic to see that it's passed and I'm really looking forward to seeing the city cleaned up a bit. So, thank you. Does this get us more points? I wish it does. No, I don't think so. No, not it's
not open, but you know, I'm always looking for points and I just want to wish everybody a happy 4th of July and um that's it. Hey, thank you, Councilwoman Clark. Um so, happy 4th of
July, everyone. Um in the absence of Councilwoman Wright, um I guess I'll make the announcement for the Crusaders. Uh cheerleader and football signups are still ongoing. Uh we will be there every Tuesday and Thursday from 6:00 to 7:30
p.m. Um also, uh we are still selling tickets to the Sorry, I have this two stuck on the top of my head. Um so we we are still selling tickets to the uh Ruckers season opener which is
happening on August 28th. Um, a portion of each ticket sale will go directly to benefit the Crusaders. Um, as everyone knows, uh, two of our former Crusaders, the Melton Brothers, um, went to Ruckers University and now are playing for the NFL. So, we're we're always trying to
encourage our boys and our girls, you know, to not only, you know, to have the dreams of professional of, uh, you know, competing professionally, but also um to, uh, further their education. And um and
I'm a Ruckers alumni, too. So, um anything that promote my alma mater as well as empower the kids of Carver City, I'm for it. So, please help out. Even if you just buy a ticket and don't go, they're 15. They're $18 with fees all
together and we get $5 of each one. So, that would be great. And um information to purchase tickets is on the Crusaders Facebook page and I will share that on the Carver City uh site as well. Thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman. Hessie, you still there?
Uh, yes, I am. I just want to say happy 4th of July to everyone. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman. Just want to say happy 4th of July. Um, and in this heat, um, just be mindful of the workers out
there, the public, the DPW workers, the, um, utility workers out there. If you see them out there working, it's hot. They're out outside all day. Offer them a bottle of water, offer them a Gator, Gatorade. They're out there, they're sweating, they're their body temperature
is very high and they are dehydrating by the moment. So, please be mindful if you see them out there. You know, be kind and offer them something to drink. Um, they really would appreciate it. And just happy 4th of July and please be safe. Fireworks are dangerous. Keep an
eye on your children. Yeah. Thank you, Councilman Dash. Just a couple quick things. Um, couple shout outs to some of our local businesses. Chen's Kitchen, the new Chinese restaurant on Philadelphia Avenue. Um, over the last two months, I had the opportunity to be there, I would say
probably 10 times. Um, great food, really great food, and uh, extremely friendly, extra, very friendly staff there. Um, also Angel's on the Avenue, no one hungry. Um, I my family had some medical issues and I needed some medical equipment. I had phoned Angela to ask
her if she had very specific pieces of equipment. She said she did. Um I while I was trying to make arrangements to pick it up, she said, "Don't worry about it. I'll have them all on your porch uh before you even get home from work." So, uh very much appreciate Angela and all she does for the city. Um and my last
thing is um piggybacking on what Donna said about the heat, please keep your pets inside. Um, know that the black top if it's if it's 80 degrees outside, that black top could easily be 125 degrees. It'll burn your your uh pet's pads. So, keep them hydrated. Keep them in the
shade. Better off just keep them inside. That's all I got. Thank you. They have sushi over there, Steve. Yes, they do. They have sushi. Good sushi. Check it out. Council like to wish everyone a happy 4th of
July and a safe 4th of July. Thank you. Councilman Timbers, happy 4th of July. And and I say the same thing. Happy and safe 4th of July to everyone. So at this point, um
public we'll do a public comment. Anyone wish to be heard? Number 24. Another question. This is for Ryan. I wanted to ask you about the um the Weisspacker building and the uh demolition and the nature of
what their business was. Has any um test or studies been done um prior to the demolition to that building? So there is active remediation occurring on the site. Um DP has been advancing that remediation and filing leans against the
property for years. Um so we coordinated with them and they essentially said if you don't disturb the ground you'll be fine. Okay. Um so they're taking precautions for the base pain as best those kinds of things cleaning products and everything they use. Well so the the
cleaning products are actually the contamination ground and ground water. So that as long sort of advising as long as we're not. Okay. All right. I just was hoping he was going to come up. That roof came in on that building, too.
Didn't see that from the streets. The tree growing under the No, no, we're saving the tree, right? Yeah. There you go, Mary. Hi, Mary Campbellberg Manor. Um,
one thing I was wondering, um, there's there's things I'd like to like make donations to like No One Hungry and maybe other similar places and I've had major health changes and stuff, so I can't haul anything anywhere,
but sometimes I have extra. And one of the things I've been concerned about cuz places like that is um you know they're not open every day. So if I just mailed the donation like a check, what happens?
And I get it people may not know here, but like if I want to give, how can I give to a place that it's not open every day? Like what happens to that mail? Because I certainly don't want the check sticking in a street side mailbox.
because we all hear how unsafe. Does anyone know? But that's they'd be hesitate to make a donation. My suggestion would be is if you want to give to a u a nonprofit or organization um I would contact the organization, figure out how they would best accept um
whatever you're providing them and the most secure way that they would do it. So I would check with the individual entity by which you want to provide the donation to. Correct. They said our mail, but as far as I know, we'd sleep a bug. So, I was just wondering. Yeah, but
thank you. It's like cuz I don't want to get another list. But anyway, that's Mary, if you call them, they make just send somebody down to pick it up. Oh, welcome. But they do pick up donations. They'll they have people that don't go out. They'll come by and pick up donations and stuff. A lot of things
have changed for me starting last November and Yeah. She may be able to send somebody over to pick up something. I didn't have some extra time. Yeah, I'm mindful of those kinds of things. And sort of on the same topic, like you know, it was lovely hearing about let's
make everything cleaner and nicer. Like most of you are aware of that particular property some time ago on the 400 block that was all when that got cleaned up. I'm like, "Yeah, we want it." You know, and then I had just recently seen
something. I don't really do that social media stuff. Usually if I find something, it's by accident. But I think I saw something about, you know, not just these containers, but, you know, hey, you know, cut your grass and so
forth. And I certainly get that. I mean, I lived in one place where the uh landlord had a tendency to ignore stuff. And at one point, the weeds were literally over my head. But it's just something I just want to
put out in the universe and maybe even people that do that social media and stuff and it's based on something I read a long time ago and and and even in light of these there are people like if I lived in my
own individual home I'd have one heck of a time trying to haul something out like that to to curbside and people perhaps cutting their grass or trimming hedges and so forth.
So I just I do understand codes and enforcement and making it pretty and it is nice. But one thing I just was thinking you people that make the decisions like if you see a house that's overgrown that's
neglectful and before any understandable consequence comes of hey you know trim clean up perhaps find out if that home has people who are handicapped ill disabled whether they're
95 or 25 because you be 25 and have problems. And it's based on something I read some time ago. A city went after a fellow. His place was horribly, horribly overgrown, and they were, you know, all
kinds of fines which he couldn't make. But what was found out? The person had had a heart attack, severe health issues, no money to hire a lawn company or anything.
And when the community found out, they're like, "Wait a minute, city, can you hold off?" And young people and other people came and they cleaned up his property, which got it up to all the codes. So, I'm just saying I don't do
really, like I said, if I do, it's by accident that Facebook stuff. So just a consideration perhaps if you find something that's not meeting the codes whether it's lawn care or whatever perhaps
find out if now I'm not talking about people like I'm referencing that landlord he was quite able to not have the weeds taller than I am but there could be you know if if it's not a willful onpurpose ignoring ing neglect.
Maybe a person in that home has a need in the social media stuff can say, "Hey, you know, Joe Blow at 102 Main Street needs help with this yard. Can anybody come by?" And then it would meet the codes. It would keep the town pretty and
offset any financial or penalties to the person. And even with these new trash can thingies, you know, just a consideration before any
consequence comes, maybe you find out. Mary, that probably won't be too many people in that situation. Excuse me. Might be. Yes. Excuse me, Mary. This is Kim. How are you? Um, I just wanted to say to you, Mary, we are reaching out to
people. We are letting people know, you know, what to look for and we we are, you know, it the thing is as a as a homeowner, there are responsibilities and I mean, we're not being bullies about it, but there are responsibilities
and there needs to be codes for health and safety purposes. But Mary, I really do thank you for your thoughts and we again, we we're we're letting people know. I mean people are aware ahead of time and yes of course the neighbors we
mentioned that as well my neighbor we help each other out you know you should know that is your violation we do have a conversation with the okay thank you thank you well in the workings that a regular person like me in course but we
do have a conversation uh if they show some type of need or temporary disability or anything like that of course those considerations are provided Um, a lot of our properties are rentals. They're individuals who collect rent and so it's a little bit of a different situation here, but we do run across
those kinds of things and um, we handle it accordingly based on the situation that the individuals are dealing with at the time for letting me know. But like I said, that's inner workings. And and I can tell you, Mary, that the county had a program. I don't know how long it ran,
but I did put it on Facebook that if a resident that is in need of help could get it from the county because they have a a program. So, just a little I know, but I again, you know, you have to talk to the person like you said to find out. Yeah. Yeah.
That's all I'm saying. especially when I had seen that story of that person and I don't know what state they were in but yeah Mary if I could just say something uh the statements that you made about um some people might need help with things like cutting grass or things like that snow removal they were they were the
most important statements I've heard tonight and I want to thank you for coming up and speaking um we live in a very small community we should all be helping each other my thought too and please Kim I absolutely understand codes and enforcement that it didn't, you
know, I can see it looking nice because I've seen all of that and you know, so certainly not saying it's bad to have codes. I'm just saying before a consequence happens, maybe find out if
there's a need or if it's full of the flag. That's a whole other ball game. But that's all I'm saying is thank you. People like me are bold and handicapped and have needs. But thank you. Thank you. the intera.
I appreciate that, too. Thank you. Thanks, Mary. Thank you. Is there anyone else that wish to be heard? Please come up. Excuse me. A little bit. Excuse me. That down.
[Music] Yeah. And I live in Renburg man. And uh last council meeting you heard my daughter speak out about my dog and my dog. So just saying every time I see a loose dog
type 91. Okay. Not only fear for my dog, but I have a fear now and it's a genuine fear. Yeah. My neighbor got attacked viciously at Buffalo Avenue. The other day I um
a dog got loose. It was on June 22nd. The dog got loose. My friend was out with with his dog. I was out with my dog Romeo and the dog was trying to get, you know, off six terrace into Renberg Manor parking lot, but I beat him to the
sliding doors. Called 911, fired beating the sliding doors. And I'm waiting and waiting and waiting. I said they'll send someone out. No one ever came out. It's my neighbor's dog. So, prior to my neighbor deciding to secure his fence, the door got out. And
then once the dog got out and he saw it and the um the woman that lived at the house pulled the dog back and the dog went back, you know, I'm not going to say epidemic proportion, but there's loose dogs all over city. Yep. I agree. and and if
there is not some kind of a consequence beyond a warning, they're not going to they aren't going to do anything about So, if I could um I've started engaging the mail carriers
in conversations as I'm driving around writing up work orders for the GPW guys and um I'm talking to them. They are giving me indications of where loose dogs and angry dogs and not so nice dogs,
right? If anyone knows, it's the mail carrier. So um there are places that we are um not the police because I'm not you know police we have a chief and she's fantastic that we are monitoring
ourselves um in code as well as the DPW pass just to make sure that if there is a repetitive incident that needs to come to my attention so I can address it. Right. So, that's what I since you get since you came up here a couple of weeks ago, that's what we've been doing. Um,
there's one property that uh I was reluctant to give a fence permit to um because there's some violations on the property, but I decided that we would issue the permit because there are loose dogs in the backyard and I need to be
able to at least do something to contain those loose dogs. Um, so we're making adjustments and we're looking at things a little bit differently because of some of the things that you and your daughter said um, a couple of weeks ago. All right. I still love to walk around the
neighborhood. I get it. I can't do it anymore. Even by myself walk, you know, if if I can make a quick suggestion for you. Um, so my day job is I run the main Society of L County. I I run that facility for the last 45 years.
Um, if you're walking your dog outside and you're you're concerned about other dogs coming up to you, there's one little thing that you can carry with you that that can be very helpful. They make little tiny uh portable air horns. They have them at Walmart. They're very expensive. They use them for boats.
They're small enough to put in your pocket. Um, if a dog is coming in for a dog fight, a lot of times that blast will scare the dog off. So whether you're walking alone or you're walking with your dog, if you're afraid of a stray dog coming up to you, I definitely
recommend just keeping one of those in your pocket. Just keep firing and just blast it. A lot most of the time it will it will separate a fight quickly most of the time. Okay. The male didn't work. The male men the male men and the male the male women have them. They have they say mace doesn't work. I live out by the
past the lake. I'm out beyond the lake and we hear the coyotes all the time. Especially when it's mating season and when my husband's not home and I go out at night, I carry a boat horn with me because if I hear the coyotes and I feel like they're getting too close, I will sound the horn off and it gets
completely silent and they're cheap. So, and yeah, they're like five bucks. So, just But thank you for the suggestion. Thank you. And I don't know if this is a good this is different topic um because I do live at Radenberg Manor and I and I
you know I'm here the whole time and love to beautify the neighborhood and make things neat and they're next to Al's lunch and the eyesore greenhouse. Yes, we've already had that discussion but so it's in it's in yeah that's in that's in works. Y it's in work. Okay, that's it. Thanks. Thanks. Appreciate
it. Thank you. Thank anyone else. Anyone else wish to be heard? Is uh myself and Mosha. Mosha, go ahead. Go ahead, sir. You go first. Who is it? Moshi on Go ahead. Who Who's that on? I
said Tracy had her hand up before I did. So, it really isn't fair I go before her. Okay. Tracy. Oh, yeah. Just just did somebody say with the new that we are to use them for the regular trash as well. What or is it just for recycling?
There'll be two trash cans you get. One for regular trash, one for recycling. Oh, I didn't know there was two. Thank you, sir. That's it. Thanks. Great. Anyone else up there? Yes. Go ahead. For me, um, my name is Motion Math. I'm up I'm now up in Gloucester County since
I saw mayor list. Uh, I made a call today I spoke with Nick over at Bloom real Bloom Insurance to check on the dog issue because I was I said I watched the meeting remotely two weeks ago as I am tonight. And there a couple things worth noting. Renters insurance does not allow
you to have a does not cover dogs and does not allow you to put a rider in for dogs. Homer's insurance doesn't carry Rottweilers or pit bulls in homeowners policies. And if someone has an investment property, their insurance policy is similar to a homeowner's
insurance policy, but unlike when you go to a restaurant and they have a special uh Aldur, whatever homeowner uh the investment policies alakart. So it's the same thing as a homeowners, but you're paying more because everything is separated. And even with those again again this came from Rick Bloom as I
understand it is uh Rottweilers and pit bulls are not covered under home owners. So, I don't know what these dogs are that are causing problems here, but I just wanted to know when I looked into today with a lot of patience and uh assistance from from that company, and I have no interest in the company, but when I saw the issue, I I I just
shuddered. Thank you for your time. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Beard. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Hi. like this. Just want to say, Jerry,
you're doing an amazing job. Keep it up. Keep it up. Don't worry about what everybody says. I usually don't except my wife. That's it. Remember, they're just doing so they can get pat on the back. That's it. It's all that's all just for show. And Joe, you keep it up.
Doing a good job. And I see you bodyguard here. The bodyguards. You can't What would we do without them? Now again just whenever you send your things out for those who have trouble
reading you might want to try you know let them know that we have products we could try to attach that you know they can get that they don't if they don't understand we have that okay that's for you excuse me
right there right there excuse me is that addressed towards me having a problem with reading. So, you can make the comment, but you can't address it back. Okay. Disrespectful. That's very disrespectful.
You do your thing. All right. We're we're uh we're going to go to number 25 on the agenda. Need a resolution to go to executive session. Motion second. mot second all I so we're going to go into
executive session we will I don't know how long we're going to be in minutes you're welcome to stay we will have a statement of what's discussed anymore but it's up to you if you wanted to stay or not
second all those in favor you want to make a statement course well yeah the thing I would say is we go into close session discuss personnel matter no formal action will be taken tonight based on the closed session
is there a motion to adjurnn motion second second all in favor [Music] I'm shutting the TV and the mic All right. How do we shut the mic? Have
a good night. How do we shut the mics? Same to you. I don't know. How do we shut that? I shut that down. Never.