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Part 1 (Video ID: aU97XDUvOjs):
- 00:00:01: Meeting Call to Order, Flag and Roll Call
- 00:01:31: Public Comment: Concerns Regarding Tower Project
- 00:04:54: Approval of Minutes, Committee & Police Reports
- 00:06:45: Safety, Sustainability, Rotary, and Code Updates
- 00:12:33: Police Report: Crime Stats, Training and Narcotics Arrest
- 00:16:27: Police Report: Crisis Intervention and Pickleball Complaints
- 00:20:58: Reports Concluded, Redevelopment Plan Ordinance Overview
- 00:22:58: Administrator's Report: Code Enforcement and Campground
- 00:27:43: Administrator's Report: Code Enforcement Updates Continued
- 00:31:15: Engineer's Report: Buffalo Avenue and City Projects
- 00:35:11: Engineer's Report: Drainage, Stormwater and the Storage
- 00:45:10: Engineer's Report: Infrastructure and Storm water Solutions
- 00:49:15: Engineer's Report: Hamburg and Tower Site Updates
- 01:03:33: Resolutions: Purchasing, Contract Renewal and Grants
- 01:07:11: Resolution: Atlantic Motion Picture Agreement Amendment
- 01:09:34: Ordinance 7: Budget Limits and Cap Bank Public Hearing
- 01:11:03: Pay the Bills then Open for Public Comment
- 01:11:36: Public Comment: Agreement Sale Request
- 01:12:58: Public Comment: Film Studio and Pineland Development
- 01:14:54: Public Comment: Banning Data Centers Ordinance
- 01:16:43: Public Comment: Bridge Load Testing Questions
- 01:18:32: Public Comment: Questions Over Tower Project
- 01:19:07: Closing Remarks and Motion to Adjourn


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Please stand for the flag of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Good evening. Well, welcome to the April

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22nd 23rd, 2026 a Carver City Council meeting >> in compliance with the open public meetings act of the state of New Jersey. Adequate notice of this meeting of the Aar City common council was provided in

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the following manner. Advanced written notice of this meeting was posted on the AC Carver city bulletin board. has been posted on the A Carver City website and advanced written notice has been sent to the Havon Gazette and the Atlantic City Press. Roll call, please.

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>> Uh, Mayor Chimp Petty will not be in attendance tonight. Uh, so we go Mr. Dovy >> here. >> Heist >> here. >> Pessie >> here. >> Heer >> here. >> Ortiz >> here. >> Mr. Sen is not here. Mr. Timbers >> here. And Mr. Wright will not be here.

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>> And I'm here. >> Oh, Nette, I'm sorry. Oh, she didn't know. >> Okay. Number four is public comment. Uh for agenda items only. Is there anyone here that wishes to be heard on our

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agenda items for tonight? Yes. >> Or >> Yeah. Please come up. State your name and address. My name is Kim McCville 426. >> Yeah. >> Kim Mcconville, 426 Hamburg Avenue. I'm here for the tower project. Um, really

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quick, I don't know if I can say this at this point, but I want to put on record that when the Mullica committee people were here, it was all Mulla people but one aver city resident. We did express the same concerns. They told us they knew nothing about the project, which we

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know that they did know. So, I just wanted to let that be known. Um, but I do have a couple of questions. Um, my first question is why can't the small lot that Hamburg Avenue and Deer Street and between the two residential properties

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be either sold to one or subdivided to both um homeowners and that would keep that like it would keep their peace there and offer this company land that's in this new development that you're putting in

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for their apartment complex or putting in their storage unit. Um, it's kind of like you live in a residential area or a rural area and you know what's going on around you and then they put this right literally in your backyard or people

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that don't live there yet. This they're going to move next to this. The people that complain because they live next to the high school, they bought the house next to the high school so they knew that noise was going to be there. where these people bought these homes with this small little lot in between them thinking it was going to be peaceful and

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quiet. Um, sorry. Um, and I guess that was like my my main two things for this. >> Well, the one thing is that we in these uh parts where the public comes up and speaks, we're really not able to answer

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the questions at this point. So, uh, we hear what you're saying and we appreciate it and, uh, this isn't really the forum for that because, well, actually, we have a finance committee that meets with this gentleman pretty regularly. So, we'll, you know, we'll

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merge that subject, but um, again, we we can't answer those questions right now, but we appreciate you bringing it. >> Sure. >> Um, it's they have been talking often to join the program. So, what happens when Stockton joins in on the deed either

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before closing or after closing and then they're able to get a tax? >> They can't for that. >> Yeah, >> this is a for-profit business. >> So, I'll tell you that. >> It's going to be written up like as a deed requirement, then it's going to be then it can't be

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>> he cannot it's not a not for-p profofit. He's not a a 501c3 or anything like that. >> But what happens if they add sucked in after the fact? Well, that would be up to us. This is a redevelopment zone and we're not looking for that. >> I understand. So, I understand I'm

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blinking up because I know they have talked to people over there to >> and he does want to partner with schools but um not in that way where he's looking for a 501c3. Okay. >> Nonprofit. >> Okay. That's all I have for this part. >> Okay. Well, thank you.

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>> Anyone else wish to be heard? Okay. Seeing none, uh, close that portion of the meeting. Um, number five, approved minutes for April 9th, >> 2026. >> Second. >> Motion made in second questions.

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>> Yes, >> I do have one question. >> I know I had mentioned something to Jackie and uh, she told me to wait because there was something that wasn't um, written up quite right and um, yes.

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Could I correct it when when Meg gets here? >> You can make a statement what you feel it should be. Okay. >> And then it's up to me to decide whether she feels it should be corrected or not. >> Okay. So, >> when you vote on that, you can very well say, you know, yes or no, but then you make a statement in regard to what you want.

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>> Okay. So, >> thank you. >> Can I ask what it was? >> Um, it was about um uh when I spoke to um >> Okay. the officer or did not see an officer. >> Okay. >> But real quick, I just want to for the

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record that Carl has now joined the meeting. I just wanted to >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. All in favor? >> I >> I oppose. I >> I have I >> So, was I supposed to say something then

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or was that enough? >> Something now as long as it's on the record. >> Okay. I just want I just wanted to say um when I was speaking to the chief um I did not say that I saw an officer. I said I did not see an officer. That's

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all. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> And we'll check with the clerk and make sure. >> Did we have a motion? A second item. Yes. >> Yes, we did. All in favor? >> I made a motion. >> Thank you. Okay, >> that was number five. Uh number six,

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mayor is uh council committee chair. So uh we'll start off with uh safety and sustainable. >> Okay. I got a lot. >> Okay. >> Um there um I don't have anything for

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safety other than there will be a meeting in June, early June 2nd at 10:00 a.m. >> Yes. >> Uh sustainable EHC. Uh we held our Arbor Day program last Friday at Pe Pilgrim

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Park. Uh we distributed 15 full-size fruit and spring flowering trees. We planted with uh the public works department two northern red oak trees in the upland section of Peace Pilgrim Park. And um the public uh works crew

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demonstrated how to properly plant a tree. And we had 30 students from the reach uh program at the community school participate in a scavenger hunt. Uh we also distributed red oak tree saplings and to those who attended and weren't

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eligible to get a tree and we gave the leftover trees uh saplings to the school so they can conduct an Arbor Day program this Friday. Uh so I wanted to thank everybody who was involved and thank the Hamilton Gazette for the coverage. It was great.

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And I just wanted to remind everyone um who's planted trees that we're in a severe drought at this point. So, please make sure that you give your trees 20 gallons of water a week uh for the growing season. Uh I don't have the

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winners of the Arbor Day photo contest yet. Um when the items were packed up, all the little tags that were on the back of the thing fell apart. So, I'll have to check with Brenda to find out who the winners are. And um our next uh event of our spring environmental series

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is tomato basics with Belinda Chester of Rucker Cooperative Extension. And we'll have a limited supply of tomato plants available for those who attend. That meeting will be held here in Council Chambers 10:00 a.m. Saturday, May 9th. And then the following week, we'll have

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the nature trail walk at City Lake Park. Uh we've also received the first draft of uh heat island mitigation plan being formulated by Dell Atlantic Conservation District uh which is follow up to the heat island assessment adopted earlier

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this year. Um that we'll share the recommendations that are in that um document at our special meeting being held 6 p.m. Tuesday, May 26 here at city hall. And it's important for the public to attend if they're interested in what's in there. And we don't want

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people coming back, including council members and residents saying, "Well, we didn't know that was going to happen." So, come to the meeting uh or log on. Uh we'll have a link for a Zoom and find out what's in the plan before it's

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adopted. Uh we have a tree committee meeting Monday, this coming Monday at 6 p.m. here um city hall. And the next green team meeting is Tuesday night at 6 p.m. here at city hall. Uh that's it. That's all I have.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh Joe, can I ask? >> Sure. Do you want the draft posted online or not? >> Not the draft yet. Okay. >> We'll do it for in ahead of that meeting. >> All right. >> Council President. >> Yes. >> Um I'm on the safety committee and I'm going to respectfully request to be

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removed from the safety committee. I cannot have meetings during the day at 10 o'clock. And I I've specified this numerous times. I can meet after six in the evening or on Fridays. So, you might as well fill somebody in there who is retired who can meet at that time because I cannot do it.

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>> So, you can remove me from that committee and put someone else on. >> Well, I didn't set the meetings. It was set by the clerk. So, >> I was told quarterly safety meetings. >> Yeah. >> They're really for the employees. They are really not for council. Keep just seeing them. Yeah, that's not

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the regular safety committee. >> That's not the council safety committee. >> Okay. So, we haven't had a council safety meeting yet. So, that's just keeps being the quarterly safety meeting that's being reported. >> That's what I thought it was. >> Okay, that's fine. Then I will stay on

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it because that's one I don't have to get to because I keep, you know, I keep saying I can't beat it and I don't, you know, take a seat that can be used by somebody else who can be productive in the committee because I cannot bid. >> Okay, fair enough. Thank you. >> All right. Uh, Councilwoman Hassie for

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And for Rotary, >> I have nothing for Rotary and code. I'm going to leave it to Jerry. Um, hopefully he could fill you in on what's going on in the code department. I have no idea. rules. >> Could I can I mention I'm on code, too, but um I wanted to ask if Jerry could

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maybe contact Mullica Township and see if they could do anything about the graffiti on the old car wash because people think it's an Aar city and it really is. >> I will miss you. There you go. That says all but I

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will contact it. No problem. Okay, back to Mr. Dobby. >> Um, I'm going to let Jerry uh give the public works update just quickly. Um, they're the crew is very busy. Uh, they've done the cleanup after the

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storm. Uh, started cutting grass and of course they working many hours out at the lake putting in the water and sewer. So, they're they're pretty busy. >> Yeah, >> that's all. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Ortiz. I don't have any update for parks or for school.

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>> Okay, Mrs. Heist. >> I have nothing. >> Okay, that was number seven. Chief of police number eight. >> All right. Since we have last met, um, let me just give you some numbers. We've

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had uh one reported burglary, one case of fraud, two simple assaults, six thefts, um six motor vehicle accidents, nine pedestrian stops, 89 traffic stops, total of 71 traffic citations issued. We've had 12 arrests, including two

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DUIs, seven business alarms, 196 crimerevention activities, four domestics, 26 EMS incidents, seven follow-ups, 607 property checks, and eight public service calls. Um, don't know if you recall last meeting

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there was I think we had like 20 thefts. Um, and I did mention that a lot of that was Wawa. Um so in order to help deter that what we did I directed our detective to come up with um an operation plan to help deter

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theft. So we have begun working with WAWA. Um we will see an increase in uniformed officers and they also did some undercover operations in order to try to combat um some of the retail theft that has been going on in Wawwa

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Wawa's throat. Um but at some point in time they need to get their own security. But um but for right now um the increase in uh uniform presence seems to uh have mitigated some of the

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theft and hopefully just our presence there occasionally even if we're just going to get our coffee will have people think twice. Um in terms of trainings, we had one crisis negotiation training. Um one of our officers went to that. We had an officer

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go to a mandated child abduction response training. Um, every department has to have an officer who was cart child abduction response training uh team certified. So that was two days out of his regular schedule. Um had some officers go to their Alcatest

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reertification. We have to get reertified every three well three years um in order to operate our Alcatest machine. So, we can go ahead and do that. So, all of the DUI arrests, we have to make sure that all of our people can do that. Um,

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other things that we did um on the 17th, last Friday, in collaboration with the New Jersey State Police Crime Suppression Unit, um, two individuals were arrested, arrested following a targeted narcotics investigation and the execution of a court approved search

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warrant. Um, this happened on the 500 block of St. Louis Avenue. uh a Cody Ryan, 37, and Jamie Winters, 43, were both arrested and were charged with the following. Unlawful possession of a weapon while compi committing a controlled dangerous substance offense. Unlawful possession of a handgun,

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possession with intent to distribute CDS, possession of CDS, three counts of possession of drug paraphernalia with intent to use, three counts of possession of drug paraphernalia, four counts of receiving stolen property. Um, both were lodged in the Atlantic County

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Justice Facility. Um, we remain committed to working alongside of our state partners to ensure the safety of our neighbors neighborhoods and address the unlawful distribution of narcotics and illegal illegal firearms within the community. Um, we have to say these charges are merely an accusation and not

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proof of guilt. All criminal cases, a charged defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in a court of law. But that's all I've got. Any questions, concerns? >> Questions for the chief? >> I do have a quick question. Um, do you know what CIT is? The

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>> intervention training. Yes. >> Yeah. There I do know does uh Atlantic County is going to have a BRT session pretty soon. I don't know if any of your officers want to attend it or if you want any of your officers to attend it. >> So the I think the crisis intervention training that there is coming up. I thought that was only for dispatchers.

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>> No. So, Cumberland just did one um and that was for state and sheriffs and local PD and >> but I I think they're trying to get Atlantic County to run I know they do the BRT >> um but I think they're trying to start up a CIT. >> So, I know that the Church by the Bay

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does do the CIT usually twice a year. Okay. >> Um and I think maybe that's the one that I saw recently that specifically for >> dispatchers. Um, but yeah, I'm It's rough with the CIT because it's a 40-hour class, >> right? >> And that takes a lot out of um

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>> it's a big punch to your time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I mean, it's definitely worth it. I mean, we do have um one veteran who um is on the veteran response team, so he did go through that and um yeah, but it's definitely something that I'm interested in. It's just right now people out.

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>> Gotcha. Thanks, Chief. >> I had something. I just wanted to clear something up from the last meeting. um our chief um brought something to my attention. I saw a photo of myself at the I don't know if anybody knows in last meeting there was an issue with the

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pickle ball courts and I didn't think that the that the um police had responded. However, I had seen a photo that the chief had given to me and they were there. However,

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in my defense, they I was never approached by them and I was the only person in the pickle ball court. So, I was picking up balls and I had never seen them. So, I would hope that in the future that when a resident calls that they would at least

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speak to the resident to see whether they're okay or that everything is okay before they leave the scene. So that's that's all I have to say. And there although there is one other thing I do have a I don't know if this is a

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time or not, but the pickle ball courts are getting ruined. I have pictures of what they're doing to it. And it's not even I mean maybe it's a year now, but there's not only the tire marks, but they have ebikes. And I'm guessing it's because of the ebikes and they're just

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like keeping them in one spot. And I have them on here. If you can if you can show it on this on the screen, it would be nice. >> Why don't we do that in committee? Okay. >> And we'll deal with that. >> Okay. Because they're really they're really starting to rip it up. And it's a shame. It really is. And and I do have a

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little >> I was I was thinking possibly we can put a lock on there like a co with a code so that it can change monthly or something and maybe you know that might help. Don't suggestation. I will. Yeah.

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>> All right. Thank you. to address that. >> At the school 911 caller reported juveniles riding their bike on the pick. >> That's the only information that our officers were given. Um, so while I

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understand that you may have expected officers to check and make sure that everything was okay, the only information that they were given was that which was said. So you were there, >> right? >> They don't know that somebody else

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didn't fall. Additionally, unless a 911 caller specifically says, "There's an issue. I want to speak to an officer." Um, and dispatch usually does ask that. I know that they didn't this time. They're not going to make a I don't want to say a big scene, but we

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have had issues where people have said, "Why are you letting anybody know that I'm the one that called 911?" So, we didn't get that information from dispatch. >> That was the information that was related to the officers, which was 911 caller, kids on the pit ball court. They

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didn't give any information or any kind of indicator about who the caller was or anything like that. So typically if a caller does want to have contact with the police, we absolutely will follow up. Um >> they were not given that information. So that's why that happened. >> Well, thank you.

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>> Thank you, Chief. Anything else? No. Okay. Thank you. Uh CFO. >> Um thank you. >> Nothing. >> Uh city clerk? >> No.

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>> City attorney? I don't have anything. Um unless you wanted me to um walk on the redevelopment plan ordinance. >> The add-on that we have. Yeah. Would you? >> Sure. >> Yeah. That's what she handed out

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earlier. >> And it was a rather >> um so this would be for our first reading. Um, it's ordinance number 10-206, an ordinance adopting an amendment to the redevelopment plan for the gateway

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um, rehabilitation area. >> And we're talking about the Acme site, correct? >> Yes. >> Are there any? So, this would be presented tonight as the um introduction of the ordinance and uh in a couple

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weeks we would have the public hearing >> and this will be going to the land use board. Yes. After this this Tuesday. >> Next week. Yes. >> This Tuesday the 28th. >> It's coming to Okay. >> 28. Okay. Is there a motion to introduce

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this ordinance? I'll make a motion. A second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. >> Questions on that motion? >> All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. Ordinance has been

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>> Oh, yeah. That was >> mess. >> Oh, Carl. >> I'm here. >> Okay. >> In Florida. >> You said this. Okay. Thank you, >> Joe. Was that on the agenda or is that just an add-on?

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>> It was an add-on. >> It just says may >> actually Chris sent it an hour after me. >> No, I I just was looking to see where it was to >> agenda. He missed it by an hour for the agenda. >> No, that's fine. Thank you. >> All right. Uh number 12, administrator

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>> already >> already. >> Uh so, uh as far as code, we have two new employees in code. Uh one both code enforcement officers. Uh they replace Mr. Hadley and Mr. Hinki and they're doing really well. One is local and the

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other one is Malikica. He's from Malikica. So he's almost local. Um just in the first two weeks we have um I've spent um a total of eight hours training them. We've written up over 60 code compliance

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reports, 37 tall grass reports which were issued this week. issued three dilapidated roof violations. the building sub code official um our our acting Gus Morg Morgani um he issued

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a unsafe structure and then uh with the assistance of several officers and our detective um we did an investigation for a slaughter in a bank property on Chicago um 450 Philadelphia Avenue. I was

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informed today that is the green in color house near the lunchonet. All the permits um have been um issued. All the demo permits, they have their pineelands. They have everything else. So I was asked to motivate the contractor today to get that down.

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>> I would have missed that property. It's been like that for 40 years. >> So that'll be down soon as soon as I have a conversation with the contractor. Um so code is moving along. Uh we had you know a pretty maybe two week three

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week disruption because of the resignations and um we're back up on track. So we're doing pretty good with the individuals that we brought on. As far as the pipe project, GPW

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um has had to maintain um mowing which is very difficult when it's 90 degrees and it rains. So, we've done the best that we can. We're almost caught up with all the sites um to be able to do that. Um the pipe project is extensive. I did

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um have the opportunity to um tour um our council president and we realized that a little bit more than they thought it was. Um but I knew what it was. Um, and so we have uh in our possession 6,000 linear feet of pipe, of which

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we've installed 2,000 linear feet so far. Uh, we have seven manhole structures being built right now. We have uh the electric marked out. We did have the county come and test our wells um which passed. I don't have a

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report today. So I would have had a report today if it failed. So they passed. So, we have a backup plant. In the event that I can't get water connected at the street, I do have the ability to open up the campground with the existing wells and the existing septic that's there.

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>> Do we have any idea what American water can do there? >> I talked to my engineer, my favorite person on the table here and he says not really. >> Yeah. Right. >> Is there somebody we can call >> there? Yeah. We need to get some things

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in and then we can get some reaction and see how long. >> Okay. >> There's a lot of >> a lot of moving parts. >> We we have the ability with the equipment that we rented, we have the ability to put in about 5 600 feet a day. So, we can go pretty we can go pretty fast. Um the manhole structures

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are 9,000 lbs each. So, they will have to be set by the the contractor. Um, and then we will have a plumbing contractor connect to the existing buildings that we have, the existing concession stand, the braided building, and then the two bathrooms. So, we'll have a licensed

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contractor do that. They'll pull the permits and get it all inspected, all of that. So, we're moving along. It's just that there's um you know, we don't really know if we're going to have water for the season, public water, public sewer, but we do have a plan um which is

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our existing soils be able to continue to operate. >> Great. >> Um that's as far as public works >> questions. Yeah, >> I do. I have a question for um about code. Is there any way that you could

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continue to send or not you but the the code department send me the reports and what's going on? >> So, so what I want to do is we have training scheduled with Mike Mangle on Thursday. I want the I want the programs to spit out the report as opposed to

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what was happening which was the Excel spreadsheet which was extremely timeconuming. Yeah. So >> and uh they are using both both individuals are using the iPads out in the field. That's how we take pictures and upload it to the program. >> Wonderful. >> Um, they're very comfortable using them,

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especially Bobby Mlan. >> So, um, we're doing that. But, yeah, I want to get Mike, that's my next Thursday, I want to I want him to train the the staff, the new staff members, but also show us how to spit out reports

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because it's redundant and ridiculous to have the individual. So, we'll get there. We're just not there yet. So, right now, we're operating on work order. Basically, I meet with them in the morning. I provide them work orders. Um, we interact with the police because there's some issues that are kind of um,

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you know, a little bit up in the air. Um, and then our construction officials, Steve Buck, Hopper, and Gus. We're in communication like that. >> And is the initiative still in place? >> Yes, thank you. >> Yeah, we're doing we're doing everything. See, the only thing we

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changed um, Council Person Hessie is the report structure. I want to >> Perfect. >> I want to come to a different report. I want to eventually get to a different report structure. >> That would be great. >> Thank you. >> Jody's nodding her heads. >> Yes. >> Take away from being manual.

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>> Right. Exactly. Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> Any other questions for >> working on my tan every day? If you can say >> that sunscreen >> slow. No, I'm not that. It's more basil cell's not fun.

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you know, he mentioned it that I was amazed at what they're doing out there. And um it's, you know, we sit up here and we say, "Oh, let's put water in shorelines to the to the campgrounds at the lake and sounds like it's, you know, we push a button and it gets done." But

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there's a lot to it. And if we would have had to go out to bid >> and RFQS, RFPs for a contractor would have taken time and money >> and we're saving a lot, right? >> This would have been sealed big because of the cost.

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>> Yeah. So, we appreciate it. Thank you for your >> Sure. >> I I I think we're saving a lot of money and I know that the staff's learning a lot. They're telling me they're learning a lot. They also tell me other things, but I can't do these other things. But that's just how it goes. That's how it goes.

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>> Well, thank you. >> It's not an easy job. Thank you, Jerry. My husband does it every day over American Water. It's not easy. >> Yeah. >> Maybe we should call them. >> He doesn't. >> The guys can say that they're expanding their abilities and knowledge. And so

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that's super fresh to sit into that. Right. >> He already left you stuck in the shower once. >> Right. But they did. >> Jerry, can I ask you one other question? As far as Gus goes, is he he's just going to be on the payroll until until they get the license and then he'll no

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longer be >> if if and so if our employee cannot get the license and we have to have a conversation with that individual with our employee Brian, >> but I'm pretty confident that he will get it. Yeah. And then Gus will still be what he was in the past which is the

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fill-in individual for our subco. >> So if we needed him. >> Absolutely. And how do we pay him? >> Uh per day. >> 150 per day. >> How much per day? >> 150 per day. >> 150 per day. >> He comes in twice. >> Okay. >> And he whatever whether there's 50 or 20

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he gets on. >> Okay. >> And he also can fill in for as well which is a nice hill. So if I had something he can also do a lot of stuff. >> That's a great thing. >> So the other licensing. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Great. All right. Thank you. Well, >> all right. Number 14. Uh, that's one of the ones that you would recommend. >> You missed. I did it again. I did it again. I'm sorry. No offense.

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>> And and thank you for this nice colorful back. >> Sure. Do you want me to show that or that? >> You know, you could you could >> Okay. Um, so I'll go through the normal court. Sorry. I didn't get a chance to distribute everything. It was pretty work day and I thought it crazy. So,

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>> oh, it was a fun day. Um, so yeah, well, I got this map produced. So, um, so I I'll go through all the projects real quick. Uh, Buffalo Avenue, uh, construction is progressive. We'll move along there. They're still finished up uh doing the curbon sidewalk work. After that's done, they'll come in and do the

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road. Uh, the road portion will take a day or two once everything else is done, ready to go. And then APS is usually very good about getting all restorations done either right before or right after they paved. So, um, expected everything to be done next couple weeks. >> When did you say the the road should be paved?

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>> Uh, I don't have that scheduled yet. It's, yeah, they're finishing up the concrete week or two away and then, uh, they might let it sit for a week, just let everything settle out. >> Um, but they didn't have much pipe work, so there's not, you know, if you give you extensive pipe work, you want to let all the trenches settle for like 90

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days. There was barely any pipe work. So, we're not going to deal with any of that, but it shouldn't be more than like a couple weeks. >> Okay. I speak to we out yesterday walking the walking with with director Michael Ryan's colleague and

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it's probably two weeks of concrete and curbboard >> and then it'll settle a little bit and then they'll break the black out >> Ryan. >> Yes. >> Why was there not much pipe work? Isn't there storm water pipe? >> So they're not in that section. That's the four and 500 blocks. So a little

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higher. Um, we did actually have to add um there was a like a sump pump system that just continued to run all the time. So, we ended up adding a little collector drain to bring that down to the inlet so it wasn't discharging on the road all the time. Um, other than that, I think we replaced like one inlet

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and one little stick of pipe. Um, that area is relatively high. It kind of goes down towards um, Beethoven and Argo. So, it's that's two blocks away. It's sort of trending down towards the 200 block from the board 500 block. And is that culvert on the corner on the opposite

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side of Burger Street going to be repaired? >> So I don't think we included I think Burger was the limit. I don't think we crossed over to the other side. >> It's really bad >> that the the inlet itself. Well, the in the the public works department, you

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know, purged it to get it get the old cast iron thing back in, but the the depression there is so deep, it's really hard to make that right-hand turn. >> All right, I'll I'll take a look at it, but I if it's on the other side of Burger Street, it's probably outside of the limits of our application. I know we

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already extended a little bit of curve down Burger because there was a section that was pretty beat up. Um, but I'll take a look at it. We can address I know DPW looked at it a couple times and did some work on it in the past. >> Yeah. >> I don't think since you've been there was actually an inlet that was a low

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spot along Buffalo that didn't go anywhere. It wasn't connected by pipe to anything else. It was just a local low spot and it appears that public works installed like a little just infiltrator inlet there years ago to try to solve the drainage problem. Um so we actually regraded the road to eliminate that. Um,

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so we brought all of the drainage down to the corner and and there's there won't be a puddle at that that low spot anymore. There have been for the last 40 years. >> Well, it's getting lower and lower and lower and at the curb where that big tree was removed. Is that going to be repaired? >> Yeah, that's going to have to be

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>> from the clear terrace. Yeah. >> The whole the whole stretch there. >> Originally, we were trying to keep that tree and when they went in to do the service walk, the roots were everywhere. So, um, yeah, we I think Jerry to take that down, I think, but yeah,

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>> that Burger Street section is for the fall, right? >> So, I think we're going to do a small section curve now as part of this and then the rest will do fall. >> There is a pretty big pothole there by the terrace, seventh terrace.

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>> That mean work order. >> Okay. >> I I have a question. Uh we're having issues with our storage and what they need to do is redirect and they were really hoping that they can go to Beethoven. Unfortunately, the manhole is not lined up with Beethoven.

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>> It's just off. >> I'm just wondering why it wouldn't be lined up with our terrace. >> Got me. I mean, >> and I'm just letting you know like now for the next Yeah. for for the for moving forward, you know, um to make

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sure they're lined up. >> There's lots of uh anomalies and oddities all over town and um I've got lots of stories from old council people, you know, we wonder why some of the roads don't have enough slope. And I get stories of like, well, they were trying to save money so the council president like this 50 60 years ago would go out

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and like push the stake down so they didn't have to bring so much fill in. And like >> lots of goofy things happened over the years. Um so how we got here I don't have an explanation for. All I can do is try to fix it going forward. Now that's New Jersey America's problem and not our problem unfortunately. >> Yeah. I was just wondering if that's the

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norm or not, but I I was I was told it was not the norm not to put it right in the middle. >> Typically sanitary sewer, right, is run down the middle. Uh occasionally you get to areas where there was a storm sewer problem or something else and another utility went first and somebody put the utility down the middle of the road and

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um this actually came up recently. The junior engineer was designing the project and they were like, "Oh, I have it preliminary laid out." They had to start down the middle and they said, "Somebody in 40 years is going to hate you. Move that over to the curb line and don't do that." >> Yeah. >> So, we're going to avoid that in the future and elsewhere. >> Thank you. >> For somebody else.

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>> Yes. >> Did you report on past meetings about our walk with the American Water? >> Um I think we did, but we can we can recap that. Um so, New Jersey American Water has had a pretty extensive water main replacement project and they're

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replacing um a 600 foot section of sewer on turrets. Yeah. >> Um so they I think are just doing that now or maybe just finished. Um but we met with their paving superintendent and approximately 90 days after they finish

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um all of the sub um subsurface work, the water man and sewer work. Um they're going to mill and overlay all of the terraces that they did work in and a large section of it or camp I think it's camp. um a whole block section of Camp

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Street. Um so you'll every all of the roads that you go down now that you see like a giant, you know, trench repair, they'll all be full width mil and open >> um at the inclusion project. But even if it if the work drags out a little bit, it'll be 90 days or prior to school. >> Okay.

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>> So we had that conversation with them, make sure that the paving work is done, even if it's 75 80 days, we'd rather see the paving done and you know, cut it a little short than pain cons. So, um, yeah, at some point in August, you'll see all that paving work. >> And what terraces was supposed to

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>> 10th, 11th, and a section of 12th, and then a section of Camp Street, um, around Pro 10th. >> Okay. >> So, that's that the primary area. We have a a little map that we can share once they find that. >> Yeah. Yep.

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>> So, that's those um, yeah, campground improvements. Jerry sort of went through that. Um, we're still working through lots of paperwork, but We're making progress. Uh, city hall ad improvements, I think we got the last submittal selection um, sorted out. So, they have placed the last material order. They're

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trying to get all the delivery dates lined up so that once everything's here, they can come in and knock it out quickly. Um, again, we're going to time between council meetings and we'll let everybody know as far in advance as possible so any other meetings can be uh, located. It's really just the DES area and the ramp on the side. So, the

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room will be open the rest of it. Um but that the DS will not be usable for you know a week or so. >> Are we looking places for somebody additional? >> Yes we are. Um >> and then Ryan Megan and I met at the senior center. >> Yeah. So that's further down my list. Um

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but I can jump to that. So we respond to an RFP that you guys had to put out because you're using federal funding uh to pay for some of the soft costs, the engineering design and inspection. Um we are in design for that now. It's upgrades to the senior center, redoing and reconfiguring the bathrooms and the kitchen and redoing the floor throughout

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the first floor area. So, that'll be a nice um significant improvement there. >> Yeah. And when I met with Megan, it was um county people were there as well. So, they they're aware of what's going on and what we're doing. >> Yeah. But it's and it is um it's interior improvements, also exterior

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improvements, so that the entrance ramp and everything is ADA compliant, which it is not current. And the door threshold, all that kind of stuff. >> I have a question. >> Yes. Uh, I remember when we toured it, I noted that the men's bathroom floor, subfloor needed to be replaced. >> They're getting totally rect. They're

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getting reconfigured. Will be I think it's two instead of three. They're whatever it is. It's like there'll be two ADA and one bathroom that'll be for staff, non ADA bed. So, there'll be three. There'll be three bathroom there. One kind of dedicated to staff, right?

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>> And the kitchen will be ADA with the flooring. I didn't want any of the men to fall through the >> Yeah. No, it'll be >> You were in the men's band. >> Total total men's band. >> Don't ask any follow. >> You got to go. You got to go. >> It's a lot of work. >> Yes. Yeah, it's a good amount of work.

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Um, uh, New Orleans Avenue subdivision, we're still trying to work through uh, a deed restriction that the county was requesting that we felt was a little over the top. So, um, soon as we get that resolved, we'll get that filed. um ivactor project. We were intending to

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advertise that on Tuesday uh and on Monday we got an email from um D's water quality division that they felt that some of the enlarged pipe sizes would trigger the major development threshold which is like a nightmare. So, uh, we spent the last

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couple days, um, going back through things and trying to demonstrate that, um, where we made enlargements, it's not a capacity increase. Like there's more capacity on the there's one spot where like the road comes down, um, audio street towards your bridge. And, uh,

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right now there is no pipe. It just flows in the road, but the capacity of that road gutter to pass the road, like to pass the the water is actually more than what the capacity of the pipe will be. So all we're doing is shifting that flow from above grade in road to um so we had to demonstrate all kinds of stuff

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like that. >> Oh jeez. Yeah. So um yeah and I I tried to explain like DOT has minimum thresholds for when you're have a single cross drain you're allowed to use a 12-in pipe. Once you have more than two and let's contribute pipe supposed to be 15 which you guys have 12in pipes

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everywhere. So we tried to up upsize some of them to be compliant with DOT and RSIS. And they said, "Well, that's still an enlargement unless you flatten it such that the capacity of the pipe by gravity flow is less than the prior 12 inch, which might have been a steeper slope." So, it's been a lot of um >> Who's that with the D?

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>> Yeah. So, the the bureau chief of the water quality division. >> Um Yeah. So, they for whatever reason kick to him at I think the last minute or appreciate it, but whatever. Here. So, yeah, it's been a lot of just trying to demonstrate that, you know, what we're

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doing is okay and making some adjustments where, you know, frankly, we couldn't demonstrate. Um, so there'll be a couple 12in pipes going back where we would like to have 15, but how much are we doing? At least it'll be new and not 80, 90 years old. >> Is is any of it um on Beethoven Avenue

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over in between New Orleans and and San Francisco? >> Yes. >> Is that >> Yeah, that whole section. all those old city silence. That's when we laid out this project. I mean, we submitted plans in March of 25. When we laid out this project, we targeted a project that we

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felt wouldn't require a permit because we wanted to be able to qualify for the fiscal year funds. And in order to do that, you have to be under contract through 30th. So, we kind of got kicked out of the FY25 program. Um, we're now in line for the FY26 program. But again, the original intent was like, let's get

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something we could do quick and easy and um you know, wouldn't be a question on funding and all those old city style inlets. The DP wants to get rid of all of that as fast as possible. >> So, we identified them. We identified replacing all that pipe that was put in in the 30s and 40s. Um so, there's all kind of like the lowhanging fruit that would require a permit. It's all

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replacing existing stuff that's aging and >> Are they doing anything else though? Because it seems like it's just like really low and it goes over the road. It's it's just the pipes that are the problem there. Um, seems like it's more than that. >> Pipes and inlets. So, we weren't allowed to um really increase collection

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capacity as part of this. >> Oh. >> Um, because if we did, we've well the water quality bureau would flag it and we'd have issues. So, we we scaled like way back. Um, and they still flagged it and had issues. So, I'm glad we didn't get more aggressive than we did. Um but

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we do we we applied for and are um supposed to receive a $2 million planning and design grant which is all towards the u an H&H study which is a hydraulic and hydraologic analysis of the entire wershed they contribute to harbor city >> and a complete redesign of the storm

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management system all of which will require extensive permit so that is a longer running program that's just to fund the design and the planning part the clean water funding which which is the $3 million you can use towards construction and saw costs. That one,

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you needed to spend the money. You needed to have a contract awarded by a certain date to lock the funding. >> So, it was like, "All right, let's let's replace what we can replace now because we're going to get $3 million a year. That's what we qualify for. We have like $50 million worth of infrastructure replace. So, let's replace what we can

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replace now and then we'll circle back with that other money and we'll do a full analysis of everything and figure out how to reconfigure the system going forward." So, we did try to target areas that we thought would qualify for enlargements. A couple areas we had like existing 15s and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but we

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upsized it to 18s. Just trying to, you know, >> we know where we're going. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, so yeah, that that was one of them that was flagged. So, we actually had to like flatten the pipes out a little bit to so that the capacity of those 18s were not more than fires. >> Um, but it's a lot of gymnastics to try

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to, you know, make the numbers work on page. So, >> okay. >> Um, but yeah, we're trying to spend the money as wisely as possible and get the city as much of it as possible as we can get because that that program will not go on forever. And we can get $3 million in FY26 and we think we can get $3

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million in FY27. And again, we got $50 million in need. So, that gets you a little more than 10% of the way there. So, um, you know, if we can get that locked in and then continue to do the longer term planning and permitting, that's that's our approach. >> Okay. I was just I just wanted to make sure it would would um help not hinder

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the situation over there because that's pretty very bad over there. Very bad. >> Yeah, no doubt. And um yeah, I mean we we did a little preliminary work to try to figure out what the numbers were going to be, but again we were kind of limited in in the scope of what we could do. And even in the conservative approach we took, we still got flagged

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and had to justify a bunch of stuff. So like I said, I'm glad we didn't get more aggressive because we really go got jammed up. >> So >> thank you. >> Sure. Um, >> okay. >> I have a quick question pertaining to the uh the terraces as well too. When

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you guys run uh you guys are doing operations on the terraces, are you guys contacting ACUA uh to let them know because I know they just did it happened two weeks ago or three weeks ago, but ACUA uh they skipped the whole entire terrace and there was there was numerous people that were calling me that just so

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happened. Yeah. Trash pick up. When we've met with American work to plan out these projects, we've asked them to make sure that they coordinate the basic way. It's not us doing it. It's there doing it. So, we think and we rely on them doing it, not necessarily. Any issues though should probably come to me. If

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you hear anything and then I'll be able to get the SUA, individuals who kind of round things up like that or fix things like that right away. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Only you. >> Yeah. That's the best way because you ask them to do that kind of make sure that you know you coordinate because

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we're going to have those issues. I've even volunteered public works to bring them to the to the end of the street if we need to and then bring them back because I have who gets what can'ts. They just sometimes they miss >> right. Yeah. Yesterday I had to go drive around find them and then tell them like

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hey don't forget it. They told me they'd drive through it check it out. They did and they came back so it worked out. >> If he doesn't answer his phone you can find him at the lake. >> All right. in a perpetual state of construction. I mean, American waterfall. >> Yeah. I mean, they they made a commitment to the city that they were

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going to spend almost $15 million over the next 10 years. So, they're going to spend a million half dollars here a year on average, which is a lot of work. Um, but yeah, I mean, when we talk to our contracts in Jersey American, they're telling us, oh, our policy is this and we do this and we do this and then they have to sub work out to Pioneer Pipe or

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other contractors. So, they have to explain it to them, but you know, the message always doesn't make it to the guy if you got >> when there's a local issue. New Jersey American, they're happy to address it, but you know, it doesn't it doesn't always translate to the guys there. Sorry. That's cool. Um, okay. So, um,

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see, two more things. Um, we are trying to get our survey lined up for the section of Camp Street and the section of Burger Street that are appointed by the, um, FY2026 municipal aid. So, that's um, we'll try to get that in this year. Worst case scenario will be next

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spring. Um see oh and then uh the tower site. So we uh we took the developers um latest uh plans which I requested um just for

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for context for everyone for for council and and the general public um the stage that the developer is in right now is going through permit. So we uh we met with them they have been working on concept plans. They have been working on uh soil borings and everything else

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that's needed um to advance the project. Um and they have to put on paper anything that they might ever do. Um because if you don't get it permitted now, it's very difficult to go back and permit it later. Um especially because the rules keep changing and getting harder seemingly every now. Um so uh the

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the res or the the um the resident who came up earlier and spoke about um the potential for development they were near some of the the single family homes in Deer Street. Um from from my conversation with the developer I I don't think that's anywhere near the top of their list. I don't know that they

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think that will ever happen. Um but they want to put it on a plan and they want to get it permitted now because it's much easier to do it now as part of this larger, you know, overall push um than it would be to to try to circle back and figure out something. But so I mean he's he's really trying to maximize um the

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plan he's putting forward and get everything permitted and then sort of circle back and you know execute um the the project that he's you know really envisioned. Um so I I hand it out back to council and I'll show it from the photo.

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Um so this is the copy of the developer plan um literally the complete copy block from an engineer. Um what this shows is um the entire redevelopment area the city has designated. Um there's

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a couple of areas that are privately owned that are you know that's why these pieces are here. Um all of this green area is wetlands and wetland buffers that will be preserved. that is 60 plus acres or about 60 acres of the site. The

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whole site is a little over 90 acres. Uh the development portion is about 32 34 acres depending how you count it. Um this red area is a former landfill that existed um was clo and was ceased to

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operation at some point in the 60s or 70s. Um this landfill is not currently closed. Um closed is an official term that the D uses um to indicate that all the testing was done and a closure plan was approved and executed either with

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clean fill cap or impervious liner or whatever the um you know the contaminants and and whatever the material in the landfill um requires to to prevent further damage and ecosystem. So the city at some point in time was

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going to have to go in to where that that entire red area and likely clear it and likely uh place a cap on it whether it's 2 claim fill or impervious cap or otherwise. Um we were going to have to deal with that at some point and there's some funding for the investigation

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portion. There's very little funding for the redevelopment. um as part of this redevelopment project, the redeveloper took that on um has been investigating it and is working through the closure process as part of his project. Um he

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has proposed parking areas on top of the landfill. That's one of the very few things that you can do. You can't put any um facilities, you can't put any residential, you can't can't really do anything like that. Uh parking and solar are really the primary things that you see on top of most landfills. Um, so

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again, that's a six plus acre area that the city was going to have to clear and do something with anyway and spend a lot of their own money and now they've been able to engage with a developer who is is taking that on as part of the process. Um, so the yellow areas are areas that would be ready to develop.

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The red again is the landfill. Um, this smaller green band here is an area that the developer could clear if he wanted to, but is proposing to preserve to try to, you know, offer the site a little privacy and provide a little buffer. Um, he's going to try to keep some vegetation in the landfill area. He may

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have to clear that and reveate, but then, uh, on how the the closure plan ends up going with TP, but his intent is to to keep a vegetated buffer around the site. Um and again he's he's clearing and developing about a third of the overall site less. Um so this is the

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portion that the developed previously in the top left corner of New Dear Street. Again that's not at the top of their list but it was part of the redevelopment area. It's upland area so it's technically developable. So he wanted to to get something permitted there as part of this process just so that you know if this thing goes gang

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busters and he's really you know pushing for space he does have an area where he can expand the operation. So he's really just doing that just proposed this isn't something that he definitely wants right there because I was just going to suggest couldn't it be down in the light

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green area down by Washington Avenue. >> Can't do it >> as you can't the light green is all wetlands and wetlands buffer. So he's maintaining uh he did not go in for what's called a buffer reduction model where you can try to squeeze the buffer size down to get more available area. He

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stuck with the default 300 foot buffer for wetlands for all of the wetlands. >> Anything in green you can't use. >> Oh because I thought there's two different shades of green and I thought the other shade is >> up near the site up near Moss Mill. I'm sorry. Yeah, up near Moss Mill Road. Right.

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>> Um down near Washington. Right. Right up on Moss Mill Road. that area could be cleared and developed in theory >> as opposed to the other, >> right? But it again that that would kind of take away he's trying to buffer the facility so you're not staring right into this parking lot and there he's trying to maintain a vegetative buffer around the site,

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>> right? >> So from the road you're not going to see a whole lot. >> That's the idea. Yeah. >> But I was just saying if push came to shove, >> right, >> could still move it. >> Yeah. >> As opposed to putting it in between. And again, this this plan hasn't been presented to the city formally in any

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capacity. He chose to go through the pine lines process first like and get that to completion before he comes in to the city's landing board. That is where we have discussions about impacts to residents and traffic circulation. Yeah. So management and all of that stuff. So like I I don't have storm management calculations. I don't have any of the

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things that ultimately will be reviewed. And I'd say I because I am the land sport engineer planner. >> Um so ultimately all of that stuff will get submitted. We'll have all of those discussions. Uh anyone within 200 feet will get a notice that there's a public hearing about this development project. They're welcome to come and and speak

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the peace. Um there's a whole uh land use board which is all residents of Arbor City. Um so they're they're all there to hear concerns and vote on. Um and you don't they don't have to just vote up or down and approve or deny. They can have discussions with the developer. They can put requirements in the resolution that he make certain

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alterations or something as a condition of approval. Um so everything that's here is not like locked in. This is just what the developer is seeking a permit for from the Pance Commission. And again, when you're going for a permit, you you push the boundary as far as you're going to possibly go because you don't want to have to go back. So, I

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just wanted to provide some context and some some a visual of what you know this actually looks like. >> Thank you. >> Sure. And in an effort to give full transparency to this project, you um you shared this that without the colors,

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>> correct? prior to this and that's what kind of started everyone's concern and u I understand that but we're at a point now where we haven't had a formal as you said >> yeah formally received any plans I I asked

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the developers engineer for just like a courtesy set so we could you know have an understanding of how things are going so they're working in the finance process they're they're refining their plans and making revisions so I just wanted to to see where they're at the land use board hasn't received these the city hasn't received these But there's

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been no formal submission. So, >> there's there's one other thing that has come out uh since we've been talking about this in public here. Um this tower site the mayor put together and we could

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post this online or we could do whatever we we want to do with this. Share it. Uh but it it talks about everything that's happened on this site. >> Yeah. since May of 2009. >> Right. >> And all the different projects that were

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proposed and most of them or all of them have not come this far. >> Yeah. >> Until until we're at where we are today. >> Yes. >> And we're still not to a point where any formal presentation has been made. >> So there there was a whole bunch of red

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endangered species work that had to be done for various plants and animal species. There was snake study. There was numerous plants. Uh there's Bardowl study, all kinds of other work that had to go in prior to the finance submission. Um Bardowl, for example, requires a spring and typically a spring

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and fall study. The snake study runs like four to five months through the season. So yeah, I mean there's a whole lot of prefill. He's got to deal with DP solid waste. Um there's a whole bunch of I want to say about $200,000 worth at this point worth of environmental investigative work

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which again had to happen one way or the other because it's ultimately the city's obligation to close the Steinfill at some point. Um so you know the fact that he's taken that on um you know relieves the city of a pretty significant

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>> and the asphalt cap is is permitted to cabin >> correct. Yeah. depending on what the contaminants are and what's going on with the olive plume underneath. Um, sometimes you have to put an imperial liner over the entire landfill. Um, from our studies that were conducted at this

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site in the early 2000s to mid 2000s, uh, we found that it was primarily household producible waste, which means the stuff you throw in trash in the trash at home. Um, and there wasn't really any significant contaminants of concern. There was no um, no significant like groundwater contamination or plume.

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Um but again that was a preliminary investigation. So as part of this the full environmental study will be conducted to make sure that there is no bloom of contaminants you know washing downstream underground to people's wells or to to other um you know to other

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sensitive receptors. So you know if we if we're not advancing this project the city's not in a hurry to close this landfill only because it's a significant financial obligation. And to put that in concept context, how much do you think it would cost to cover that landfill? >> I mean, just the investigative work to

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this point has been $200,000 just to like >> that's not doing any remediation, right? >> Correct. That's not the cap. That's not the closure plan. That's not even finishing. >> So, we're talking millions. >> Millions easily. >> Yep. >> Do they have an LSRP working on it already?

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>> Yeah, they have. They engaged GZA who actually did the um site work for the coal gasification site over by the city's train station. >> So they've done extensive environmental work in city >> and unless we could get grants for that that would be a city expense tax

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>> and typically uh as I said the investigative portion you can get grants for. We've actually worked with the developer to secure grants to help you know ease the the burden of the cost of that because it's still property. Um, but on the on the remediation side, typically the most you can get is 25% or

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so. You have to kind of like what we're doing at the Antarctic landfill. You have to engage with a developer who has a financial end use which will bring you know money to the project. So we've engaged with a solar developer over there and now they're going through the same process and again they're going to take on that obligation to help get the

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city's landfill closed um and you know have a funding source which will mean solar generating facility which will go on top of the landing. So for for most municipalities for this type of project, it's a huge burden to come up with a couple million dollars to try to close the landfill without some kind of productive reuse at the end. So, you

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know, to think that the city was just going to go in here and clear this little uh land clear this six plus acre landfill area and just deal with that and not do anything with this site is is, you know, just frankly not how these usually go. There needs to be some kind of financial incentive to push the

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landfill closure to to actually happen, right? How is the infrastructure grant going for that? Excuse me. Don't we have something? >> Sure. So, we applied for a very specific funding source which was for infrastructure upgrades to support movie

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production studios. So, as you can imagine, there were very few applicants. >> Um, we were one of them. I think we were one of either six or seven recipients at the state and I think we were one of the largest awards. Um, and it was to uh improve infrastructure. I think the the

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application and vision along Mosmo Road um to to add where possible curb, sidewalk, lighting, uh roadway improvements if we need like an acceleration deceleration lane for for widening. Um so that that was what that funding source was for. So >> we did get it.

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>> Yeah, we we did get that grant. Um we're still working with the developer is as as they continue to modify their plans, we don't want to lock anything in place and go out and build it and then he, you know, revised his plans and we're doing something different. So, um, we're kind of waiting for that process to wrap up so we have plans that everyone's

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comfortable with and the city approves and then, you know, we can sort of circle back and figure out how we're going to make those infrastructure improvements to support the project. >> And how long do we have to use that money for the grant? >> Uh, as far as I know, it was supposed to be 12 months from the final execution of

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the agreement and we've been working with them. The execution agreement will essentially be when everything's in place, >> right? Yeah. So, we'll wait until then. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Question. >> That was great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I appreciate >> anything else on your engineer. >> That's it for me. >> Okay. >> Thank you. I won't miss you again. I say >> no offense. >> But I will refer to the uh administrator on number 14. You're asking for that to

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be table? >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Is there a motion to table? >> I'll make a motion. >> We'll second it. >> Motion made second. All in favor? >> I >> Okay. Was that I for or against? >> What was the

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>> four? >> Four. Okay. So, motion passes. Uh it's taped number 15 is a resolution to allow qualified purchasing agent uh QPA to award Windows contract.

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>> You want to go explain that? >> Can you uh elaborate? >> So basically the our bid threshold is 53,000 but the stake paytoplay threshold is 17,500. So this rather than have to do a nonfair and open resolution when we need something like we just did to do

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for the pipe at the last council meeting, this would allow me to award those contracts that go up to the threshold. >> What's the window steel? >> It means between the 175 and the 53 window. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. Makes makes more sense. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is there a motion? >> Yeah. Second. >> Second. >> Motion made. Seconded. All in favor? >> Oh, I'm sorry. Roll call. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Pessie, >> yes.

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>> Kener, >> yes. >> Ortiz, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> And Miss Galloway, >> yes. >> Resolution passes. >> Number 16 is resolution to renew the

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treeman contract. >> Is there a motion? >> Some moved. >> Second. Motion made. Seconded. Roll call, please. >> Doy, >> yes. >> Heist, >> yes. >> Cassie, >> yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Ortiz, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes.

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>> And Goway, >> yes. >> Uh, resolution passes. Number 17 is also recommended to be tabled. Um, you want to elaborate on that, Brian or Jody? >> Yeah, it was it was really just lining up the financials to uh we received this grant in December. It's not like an

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emergency to award it. Um it's kind of scattered all over the place in town. Um and we received less than we applied for. So um the city's going to have to cover this off us. So just give us some time to figure that out. >> Yep. >> Okay. Is there a motion to table? >> Second.

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>> Motion made and seconded. >> Um all in favor? >> Motion to table. Um number 18 is a resolution for the annual recycling grant application. >> Every year um we have to apply for the

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recycling tonnage grant and that is based on our um recycling rates and also based on reports we get from um like commercial um recyclers as well. So that ACA prepares it for us and submits it on our behalf but we have to pass a resolution to apply it.

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>> Motion moved. Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> I oppos. >> Resolution passes. That was for in favor. >> Okay. Number 19, a resolution approving the fourth amendment to the agreement of

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sale between Atlantic Motion Picture Studios LLC by Jonathan Saker and the city of Aar City and authorizing the mayor and the city clerk to execute the amendment on behalf of the city. Questions?

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>> I have questions. >> Go ahead. >> Oh, yeah. I guess it's a question. Um the the ordinance is it this is a resolution, right? Resolution. >> Yes. So the resolution for the settlement will be in one year and I I'm

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thinking settlement should be sooner than that if he gets his his approval because it's based on him getting his Pineland certificate filing that he would go to settlement. But the way this reads it reads it as settlement in April 30th of next year. So I think

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it's >> So can that be on or before or no later than? >> Yeah, my understanding is intended to be by April 30th, not on. >> Well, it says on >> and I did confer with uh Mr. Orlando

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about this, Alena. And he said that he actually recommended us do the year because if it goes another three months and we keep doing monthly, right, >> or three months at a time, >> it it'd be easier to just do this. We don't know what Pineland is going to do,

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how long the land use board's going to take and all that kind of stuff. So >> yeah, >> but my understanding is he's he is to settle with us on the land >> when he gets a certificate of filing by the pine lands. >> 10. Yes. >> Okay. >> So yeah, I think to your point, why

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don't you be honorable >> owner before? Yes. >> I mean, I have no problem giving that here now. >> It can be. Yeah. >> Right. So with that addition, you want to put that in? >> Yeah, definitely. >> Okay. Uh, is there a motion based on

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that uh comment? >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. Uh, roll call, please. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Christ, >> yes. >> Cassie, >> yes. >> Kener, >> yes. >> Ortiz, >> yes. >> Tempers, >> yes. >> Galloway,

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>> yes. >> Resolution passes. Uh number 20, the public hearing on ordinance number seven, calendar year 2026 to extend the m municipal budget appropriation limits and establish a cap bank. Is there a

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motion to hold a public hearing? >> Motion second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? >> I Okay, our public hearing is now open for ordinance number seven. And Jody, you just want to explain that uh to

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everybody. >> Oh, very >> sorry. I feel like I say this every year. Um basically it just allows the state sets um an appropriation cap of the read the max well that changes every year, but the max you can do is three

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and a half%. You don't have to go up to that. It just allows you to do that. and also allows you to bank it for future years if you pass this ordinance. So we always have that we can have it back if >> Okay. Anyone wish to be heard? >> First call. Second call. Anyone wish to

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be heard? Seeing none, is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> Motion made and seconded. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Is there a motion to adopt? >> Second. Motion has been made and seconded to adopt. Roll call, please.

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>> Dovy, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Pessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Ortiz, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> And Galloway, >> yes. >> Okay. Uh, number 21 on our agenda is to

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pay the bills. Is there a motion? >> Make a second. >> There's your main second it. Uh, roll call, please. >> Doby. >> Yes. Heist. >> Yes. >> Pessie, >> yes. >> Kener, >> yes. >> Ortiz, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> And

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>> yes. >> Okay. Bills are paid. Number 22 is public comment. Anyone wish to be heard? >> First call. Anyone wish to be heard? >> Yeah, it's open.

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>> Everything and anything. >> We do have a threem minute uh window. And the thing is it's public comment. So, uh, council, uh, really can't give you answers at this point, but we'll hear what you have to say and we'll take it into

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consideration. >> Okay. Well, apparently there's an agreement of sale on >> email address, please. >> Name and address for the record. >> Dan, you don't know me. >> For the record, >> Dan, 5930

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Dear Street. So I assume there's an agreement of sale and it sounds like they extended it for a year. Is that what happened? The agenda >> there's a redevelopment agreement in place which is extended to allow for the private process. >> Oh, I see. So they were supposed to settle sooner or soon.

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>> We don't really want to get into discussion. >> Is that something that the public can see this agreement sale? >> Sure. It's public record. >> Yeah. And is that posted somewhere? >> You can make an Oprah request for it. >> We can we can let the sale. You can certainly make our over request.

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>> Okay, that'd be interesting to see. Um, I guess that's all I have. I just >> Okay, thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone wish we >> Okay. Hello. My name is Megan Beyond. I

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live in Egg Harbor Township. Um, I am a member of a group called Indivisible. I want to start by saying the energy in here. So, I'm not sure if you guys heard about the data center in Vinland. You guys are so much warmer and more welcoming.

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Like, it's insane. It's like night and day. So, like I think that that's a beautiful thing like the open discussion that you're promoting. Um, regarding the film studio, I came today to check it out. Spoke to him in the parking lot. Very, very charming. But, um,

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>> we think so, too. But like I do have concerns regarding like just I don't know seeing what's happening like to our world and seeing land be developed like I think it's really important to take a second and to really

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consider those factors especially I'm not sure if you've ever seen but like maps of New Jersey when you look at the Pinelands it looks sacred like it's one of the only like undeveloped parts of basically like New Jersey and it's

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really beautiful land that you guys have in this city. So, I just think making sure to really consider like these factors and being like, okay, like cuz this thing can be developed, but what if it's on something that already exists?

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Like what if it's on I know I know you guys mentioned it might be like the last like the red developing lands. I'm not familiar with all the terminology, but like if there are other potential options of where to put it, if there's something else to be done in regards to it or just making sure it's very

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thoroughly thought out. >> That's all. >> Well, we appreciate you coming. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone wish to hear anyone else? So, McCondell, 426 Hamburg Avenue. Um, kind of in touch with the tower project,

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but would the city be willing to sign or create an ordinance to ban data centers? >> Sorry, sorry. >> Yeah, >> we can take that into consideration. As I said, you know, >> I don't think it's something we would want to decide right now. And

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>> I'm not saying like right now you must you must answer my question, but >> there really no place to put it that Saturday. >> They're crazy. It's like gold. >> Yeah. You mean in regards if the facility were fail and then like because I know that's been stated in the past people had said that if it failed then

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it's just going to be another data center which I mean if it would fail or if somebody else >> this site is nowhere near the >> right but anorage they would need >> I mean it could be any other privately owned land too in the town that they might want to do this

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>> there's no other land right >> yeah the the off land parcels you have none of them are big enough with a contiguous area to join. >> A lot of our land is wet. >> I'm just asking for an extra layer of protection for the town, the residents,

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the neighboring res. >> The whole thing is asking a Carver to sign an ordinance for data, you know, data centers. Then we should ask Mullica to sign Galloway and >> we should ask and you know what I mean? If we're going to turn around and put

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that blanket on Egg Harbor, then we should extend it to all of Atlantic County. >> Just because we're putting this in, shouldn't put that blanket over ice. >> That's my personal opinion. >> I definitely think that Mullica should as well. >> Um I do have an engineering question.

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Sorry. Um >> and this is not my realm, so I'm sorry. Um Hamburg Avenue has, I believe, three bridges on it. Has there been any load testing on them in regards to this project?

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Because the construction or the the trailer entrances are right now on the designs all on Hamburg Avenue. So, has there been any check on? >> Yeah, please go ahead. >> So, uh all bridges in Atlantic County are controlled by the county. So, the

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county maintains them. They do inspections. Um, until they are derated, they're assumed to have a weight limit truck rating, which is an 80,000lb truck, which in the worst case scenario is actually not a tractor trailer because the load is spread over a large area. It's a concrete truck or a loaded

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triacle. Um, to like an asphalt truck, things like that. That those are the heaviest trucks on the road. Um, so if the county derates a bridge, they have to post it in advance so that no trucks go that way. Um, so I mean we could reach out to the county and confirm, but as far as I'm aware the bridges are not

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derated. There's no sign trusted. So we have no reason to believe that their capacity estimates. >> Hoping when they drive over. >> Well, we'll confirm with the county, but yeah, if um if the county had a concern, if they did an annual inspection and found that the bridge had um, you know,

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substandard elements or had degraded or whatever, um, they would go up and and post it um, for years. the old Ohio Avenue bridge going from Venice Park to Atlantic City had a rating of 12,000 lbs or 20,000 lbs, whatever it was. Um, so again, if there's not a weight limit

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posting stating otherwise, the weight limit is 80,000. >> Okay. Thank you. And just thank also for the added police on Hamburg. >> I feel it's like much better when I run it every day on this. So much better. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. >> I have one more question. >> All right. Uh, I'm looking I my eyes weren't very good, but I looked at this plan and it looked like there's nothing of lost snow. There's no entrance. Oh, okay.

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>> The landfill is closed. >> Oh, I see. Okay. The same plan I told you. >> Correct. This is literally just that's for discussion of the plan. All right. >> Anyone else wish to be heard? Okay. Uh

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start on this this uh place. >> I have nothing. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> I just want to say thank you to the people who've been showing up at meetings. It's I attend hundreds and hundreds of meetings every year. And

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well, often people are afraid to get up and speak their mind on an issue. And I just wanted to thank everybody for showing off and being respectful because I've also seen people be very disrespectful to their elected public

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officials. So, thank you very much. >> I don't have anything in particular. Uh, is there a motion to adjurnn? >> I make a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? I opposed. I have respectful

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but I think you The