indivisibley. >> I'd like to call the meeting of a harbor city council September 25th, 2025 to order. In compliance with the open public hearings act of the state of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting of the
aber city council was provided in the following. Advanced written notice was posted on the aber city bulletin board. Notice of this meeting was posted on the a barber city website and advanced written notice of this meeting sent to
the Hamilton Gazette and the Atlantic City Press. Also, this meeting is being conducted on Zoom and uh can people can conference in or be here at the meeting. The meeting is also being recorded for people to
watch at a later date. >> Uh roll call please. >> Mayor Jeppetti >> here. >> Clark >> here. >> Dash Dovy >> here. >> Galloway >> here. >> Heist here. >> Pessie >> here. >> Kenir >> yes. >> Timbers >> here. >> Wright >> here.
>> Okay. Number four on our agenda is approve the minutes of September 11th. Is there a motion? >> Second. >> Motion being second. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Second. >> Minutes approved. Uh I passed out before we get to the next comment, public
comment. I passed out a little friendly reminder to all of us up here for um how we conduct ourselves at during meetings. And I I had the opportunity the last couple weeks to watch our last meeting
and I have seen parts of it where someone gets recognized to speak and then other people are interacting with them. It's almost a debate and that's not the the way that the Robert's rules
of order are to be conducted. It's supposed to be you get recognized by the chair. >> Uh you get time to speak and then once you're finished other people can be recognized and speak to either what you
said or what what they have to say. So um and then you have a chance to be to rebut whatever that person would say. So, um, I'd really like to just a friendly reminder that that's we adopted those rules at at our reorganization
meeting and I'd really like to follow them so that we have a, you know, proper way of conducting. So, yeah, with that being said, um, I'll open it up to the public for any comment
or agenda items. Agenda items only. Seeing none, we will wait where the mayor. >> Okay. Good evening everyone. Um I'd like to read a letter that was sent by another municipality, specifically
Stafford Township Police Department um commending our our sever of our patrolman. So address to the chief. Dear Chief Alwin, I'm writing this letter to bring to your attention the exemplary work of three members of your organization.
During the month of July and August 2025, the New Jersey State Police Crime Suppression South Unit conducted an investigation involving the unlawful distribution and possession of firearms. As the investigation pro progressed, it
led to a Harbor City, New Jersey. Due to having positive prior experiences with your police department, I eventually was assisted by Captain Zack Vera, Patrolman Dalton Rosenberger, and patrolman Benjamin Springer. These three officers
helped identify the suspects, assisted with use of electronic and physical surveillance, helped with the execution of court order and search warrants, and were involved with the arrest and provided transportation to our
headquarters in Atlantic City. The assistance by all three of your personnel was first class and made the investigation a success. We in law enforcement must always work as a team and your officers exemplified unselfish
teamwork. You should be aware that this case resulted in the arrest of two sus suspects on numerous weapon charges. In closing, I again wish to thank you and your officers for their help. I look forward to working together in the
future. Respectfully submitted detected Zach Watrosski number one badge number 118 Stafford Township Police Department Drug Enforcement Unit. I wanted to bring that out. Good job, Chief. Your
So, I'm going to have a nice short report tonight. Um, and just in case you you were wondering, the mums will be out on October 1st and the stalks, hornstalks and the scarecrows will be out soon after that. The there's lots
going on in October. I'm not going to go through all the things, but please check the official Facebook page for the information and you'll see the picture of the council right there with the
great seal right behind them and you'll know you're on the right page. So, I do want to mention that we did open the fit the fitness park is finished and it is open. We are going to have a celebration, a grand uh grand
opening on either 10:22 or 10:21 at 10:00 a.m. I will conf I will that as the time draws near, but it's I've gotten many many many many residents say how happy they are that that's there and they just love it and they can't thank
us enough for committing to their recreation. And that's all I have. Thank you. [Music] Okay, thank you. Okay, we'll uh start with committee reports with uh Councilman Ray and the parks and
playgrounds. >> The only thing I have is uh brought to my attention um again um about putting a skate park in back in the egg harbor city. Um so I'm looking to have a parks and playgrounds meeting October 6 or 6:30, whatever works best for the
committee. 6:30 work. >> How about you, D? >> That's fine. >> That's pretty much it that I have. Great. >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> U Councilwoman Galloway for property and
sustainable >> um sustainable EHC. Um we were notified we will receive another small grant um of amount of $5,000. This is a uh Atlantic City Electric grant. Uh it's
we'll be using it for forestry management plan to cover the forested areas um north of the lake. Um and we'll be uh seeking proposals from approved state foresters to do the report if we
have less than they us. So um the other thing is um they they want >> no caller >> they want the sustainable Jersey folks want to come to a Carper City again to present these awards. Uh last time they
were here we had a an event at the union hall. I've asked the teamster several times over the last two weeks and they're not getting back to me. So, we're going to have to seek a different uh site for this. It'll be like a breakfast meeting. Uh people come from
all over South Jersey to receive their awards. So, we're looking for somewhere to have it. Uh probably about 40 people, which um and then we also had um the reinstallation of the peace pilgrim
statue on Sunday. It was a really nice event. We had about 45 people there. Uh, the statue looks great. I have to thank the public workers department because they really screw spruced up around the statue with power washing and moving
that damaged bench and it was really nice over there. So, thanks everybody for coming and whoever had a part in it, we're grateful. Uh the project was funded by the Leak Charitable Foundation and um we still need one to replace that
one bench. Uh right now that's all I have. >> Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman Messi with safety code and road. All I have for safety is I just want to let everyone know there were no fatalities in the
accident on the first respon at the first responder park and the wall was badly damaged and currently the adjuster is just waiting for reports to move forward. Um the next would be code uh I just want to say the b the bowling alley
Jerry Chris and our fire inspector were in court this week. Uh the I'm sure Jerry may elaborate more on that. Uh the trash and recycling carts will be delivered starting Monday. Is that correct, Jerry? >> We got three people coming from Grand M
Rapids, Michigan to distribute our shopping carts. >> Okay. >> Yeah, shopping carts. >> Fresh carts. >> Um and then just >> just a reminder, only two items per trash day, including furniture, metals,
and carpet, which are to be cut into 4ft lengths. and rolled and tied. One roll equals one bulk item and you can have two bulk items. I've seen I've seen three mattresses out there and some other things. So, just a little reminder
for everyone, just two bulk items to be put out with the trash. >> That's it for code and Rotary. Just a reminder, uh, coat drive box has been placed here at city hall and, um, it's across from the clerk's office. Uh, the
Rotary is asking for gently used coats, gloves, hats, and scarves. Uh, the box will be there until November 9th. Uh, the Rotary would like to thank all donors in advance. Uh, and that's all I have. Thank you. Okay. >> Thank you. Yes.
>> When the box is full, what are we doing with it? >> Um, just let me know. Yeah, I'll get it. Thanks. >> Okay. Next is Councilman Timbers with ordinance uh land use and >> I have nothing for Aaron Hoffin or for
ordinance. Uh however there was a land use meeting on September 16th. Um at that meeting they approved the minutes from 19 and with that they approved two resolutions. First resolution which was 20259 was for Jersey Grillin LLC located
at 1401 Brimman Avenue that's in the industrial park. Uh it's an existing uh grow facility cultivator. Uh they wanted to uh make use of the entire um facility right now. They're they're utilizing one
building. Uh they only have about maybe 600 square feet of growth that they're doing. uh they were permitted to do twi 2500 square feet and so they wanted to expand to the other two buildings in the facility to do the uh the maximum 2500.
Um additionally they wanted to install a uh a fence they would uh put on a lock uh that could be uh accessed by uh by the municipality. Um there was also another resolution um 202510 that was a
recommendation to the egg harbor city council to adopt ordinance number 18 2025 for the redevelopment of block 10001 block 11 that was a former municipal landfill at Anorp Avenue and
uh they basically with this one uh they wanted to adopt the ordinance and stating the redevelopment plan as it relates to capping the landfill and installing community solar on it is consistent with the master plan and the redevelopment plan will be designed for future standards and outlines uh
specifically for that one block and lot standards necessary to cab and construct community solar on top of that land. Uh that would be the only permitted use outlined in their redevelopment. Uh so that that uh resolution was
approved. Um also there was new business. It was an application 2025 070 Sir David Degrosa 1401 White Horse Pike. This is a automotive um repair place and they simply wanted to to to expand their
footprint. So they came in for that and that was um they needed a waiver from the site plan reviewed and approval and some variance removed and um that that was um uh that was accepted from the board. So that'll probably come to us.
Okay, >> that's it. >> Great. Thank you, >> Councilman Dovy for New W. >> Uh the public works committee did not have a meeting since uh in in September and u I'll defer to the administrator,
also manager of the public works department, Jerry, uh to give a more detailed update on public works activities. And that's it. >> Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman Clark for school board. >> Uh, nothing at this time. Thank you.
>> Okay. Anything you want to add on to >> Okay. All right. Um, >> Mr. President, I'm raising my hand. >> Yes. >> Checklist. >> Can Can I just add something because it remind Kim reminded me of it. Um, the
American Legion will be uh having a clothing drive on from October 7th to November 10th. We're going to store the clothes in the greenhouse temporarily out here and it will um it will go
towards a monument in Lincoln Park for I'm not sure exactly what they call it. It's um like what is it? the war on war on war on terror or something go golf war and the so we it's you know we just
want to give you the heads up because everybody's cleaning out their closets now so come next Friday you can drop your clothes off right at the greenhouse back there >> from 900 a.m. to 400 pm Monday through Friday or Monday through Sunday. So, we
really want to help them out. And if you're cleaning your stuff out, just keep that in mind because sure everybody's getting ready for winter. >> What's the date? >> October 7th, which is next Friday to November 10th.
>> Yeah. >> Did I say the 11? >> I thought you said, but I could be wrong. >> I did. >> You said November 10th. Yes. >> Okay. November 10th. So, that'll give everybody enough time. You know, I used to do um drives like this for Cedar Creek and we made several thousand dollars on it. So, but we all have to
chip in. >> Where do you supp all that jazz? And then just real quick, um there's going to be a cleanup done. If you see people out on Atlantic Avenue, the fraternity, which is called what, Chief? >> You should know this. They should be on
the top of your >> PETA. That's what I call >> that fraternity. I'm not saying it, but they're going to be cleaning up Atlantic Avenue and hopefully they'll be doing it right. So, we'll see. Jerry will let me know.
>> And that's all. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. um for finance and redevelopment. I just want to say that we had a meeting with Pinelands last week and I I'll leave that to Jerry to discuss and some other things that are going on that we've been working on pretty much the
entire year that are just starting to come to the point where we're going to make decisions on what we want to do. So that'll be coming in the next couple meetings. Uh next we have our police chief All
right, this should be short since it's only been a few weeks. Um, some numbers to begin with. Since we last met on the 11th, we've had one burglary fault, two civil assaults, one theft fall, seven motor vehicle accidents, two pedestrian stops, 29 stops, a total of 14 summones
issued. There's only 14 right now because the motor vehicle accident on Saturday at the uh corner of 3850 was a DUI. Um they are waiting for blood draw results in the until we have those
they're not going to issue any summones. There will be multiple summones issued with that though. So we have a total of seven arrest one DUI included in that. three business alarms, one residential alarms, 110 crime prevention activities, four domestics, 24 EMS incidents, eight
firearms ID applications, four follow-up uh investigations, 266 property checks, four public service calls, um operations, trainings, inspections. We had half the department do a first amendment auditor training um
yes yesterday. The rest of the department will be doing that next week. um something that's offered by the statewide insurance fund. Um it's helpful just because we've got lots of them and it helps especially for the police to know that hey we can record. Um they are very helpful in rec um and
recommending signage that we can have here in the buildings. Um, so that way we uh can tell people where to be and where not to be, especially if we have the signage. But, uh, yeah, I think it's good training for anybody to have, especially anybody here in the municipality. It's something that they
can offer to anybody who works here in the building as well, not just for police officers. Um, upcoming stuff that we have, trainings, we're going to have responding to bomb threat training. We have mandatory defense tactics training, a sovereign citizens training, and then a firearms
investigations training that throughout going to. Special event that we've had uh the last few weeks, we had the Cedar Creek fall festival where the police department did daily ride. That's always a popular event. Um we recently had the movie in the park last night. It got a little bit rainy and it was drizzly
which was kind of good because we had people kinks so there weren't that many people there so nobody was too disappointed but we did wind up getting that going and it was good you know his hair um so that was pretty fun. We had community event in on Wednesday in
Lincoln Park gave out food clothing state police were there um as well as some bar officers with naran and just general information reports with expungement information. Um, in July it was a little bit too hot, so we'll wind up cancing that one. Uh, so to make up for that, we will be doing an additional
one on October 15th. Um, a little bit more tempered weather, so hopefully um, more people can come out, we can supply some more hot meals, clothing, maran information, all that kind of stuff. Um, we will also be participating in the DEA
drug takeback day. Uh so anybody who has any unwanted prescription medications uh can come and drop them off here at the police station on October 25th. I will remind you again at the next council meeting. Um but we will also be providing uh bags that you can put your
medication in and it has some sort of material in it that will then dissolve the medications and safe to throw away um in the trash. Uh I want to give a big kudos to the guys in the department. Um
they're really willing to work and at last minute and do stuff there. So there are a few things to piggy back up what the mayor talked about earlier. Um a lot of the things that happen really happen kind of quickly and develop quickly and these guys are really willing to just kind of drop
things and and do things really quickly. So that being said, on September 22nd, a collaborative proactive investigative initiative in the Philadelphia Village Department of the New Jersey State Police, the Stafford Township Police and the Nagar City Police developed information that a male suspect in
possession of a handgun handgun was on location. While conducting surveillance, the subject was who was believed to be in possession of a firearm was identified. Further investigation developed definitive probable cause that the male target subject was in fact in possession of a handgun. As a result,
detectives conducted an investigative approach on the male subject during which a firearm was recovered from this person. He was subsequently arrested, searched, and handcuffed. Ultimately, a Glock 43X loaded with nine rounds of 9 millimeter ammunition. 9 millm ammunition and scoring stolen by the
Cammy County Police Department was recovered on the subject's person. Charges are placed on a warrant and the subject was lodged in the Atlantic County Justice Facility. The case will be prosecuted by the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office. you know this information that was developed sort of in real time. Captain Kerman came in and
this all develops very quickly and so a lot of come in work kind of at a moment's notice and it's really just a testament to their knowledge, their willingness to work, their professionalism and knowing exactly what they can and cannot do. Um so uh they
are to be commended. Additionally, um we had it wasn't really an incident in incident, but it could have led to an incident. On Tuesday, we had a boomeral uh candidate who came to town. Uh Mayor Jim Penny called at around 1:30. Um so yeah, this evening we're going to have
the candidate here in town at the Teamster building. We didn't know. Nobody told us. Um and that's a little disconcerting, especially given the current to climate. You know, it's pretty divided nation right now. Um and so who knows what's going to happen. who knows who's going to do what. So, our
guys rallied. We had quite a I would say an impressive force for such a small department. Thank you. Anybody who was there was safe. Um and so I I really have to hand it to our guys. I I'm really proud to work with them and I have to say they're a great group of guys. A lot of them are really young.
So, I would say great group of kids, but um you know, they uh they do good work. And so, I appreciate that you acknowledge that. And I feel they need to acknowledge them as well because I think that they get sometimes they get a bad rap, you know, but they're they're a good bunch of guys. So, thank you for
listening to me talk how talk about how wonderful they are. So, >> well, it was very helpful having them there because that crossing was >> Yeah, >> it was hard to get across Philadelphia Avenue >> with the Waw Wa. So, thank you very much. Yep.
>> But that's all I have. So, >> thank you, Chief. Yeah. Oh, Chief. >> Yes. >> Um, you had mentioned that there was a burglar. I think the last couple meetings there's been at least one. Um, have we um found any more information on that? Like who's doing it?
>> No. So, with a lot of burglary stuff with the folks leave their cars unlocked and so, you know, um it's very difficult and that doesn't make it good. That doesn't make it, you know, right or okay. Um, and unfortunately it's not
just here. I think, and this is going to sound horrible, but one burglary is one too many, but it's not really much in comparison to what's going on. I mean, we have groups of folks going around just pulling on door handles all over
the place. And, you know, we get the bladders from our neighboring jurisdictions, Hamilton Township, Bay Harbor Township, Galloway Town, all over the place. And you have multiple burglaries a night a day all over the place of multiple stolen vehicles. So, you know, I have to kind of kind of hand it to our guys that they're doing grids
up and down all night long to kind of try to prevent speed chasing. >> Um Oh, yeah. No, not us. >> No, I know down there. >> Yay. not us, but um so it's too many, but um you
know, so no, it's kind of rough. And unfortunately, these folks that are doing stuff, they they're clever. They're gloves and masks and they're so it's uh >> it's you know, thank you for bringing it up. A reminder, lock your doors, your car doors, don't keep anything of value.
Um we've been fairly fortunate here. There have not been, knock on wood, broken windows, uh, you know, smashed glass of anything like that recently. Also recently, um, we have seen a bit of that throughout the county, but not too much here. So, barely grateful. I
probably was trying to change that. You saw it. Um but yeah, >> I I've written several stories down each um regarding people leaving key fobs in their car >> and these thieves take the key fob and
enter your garage or your house. And I actually it was a public official who had her purse stolen out of her house because the culprit took their key fob and entered their house. So don't leave your key fob in the car. Well, also they
can unlock your door with this little system that they have. If you leave your key by even near your door, they can drive right by and unlock your door to your car. >> Another thing as well is if you have um garage door openers, a lot a lot of folks might have garage door openers
that they put on the visors. It's recommended that you don't do that because like that especially if you have I don't know that many houses here in Carver City do have attached garages but if you do then you know they just have to break your window open that and then can potentially get into a house. So
it's it's make sure your doors are locked, take your keys with you. I recommend keeping your keys next to your bed so if anything does happen you can hit your car alarm button just to wake everybody in the neighborhood up. Well, you know, I mean, if if something's happening to you, then your
neighbors are waiting. They're like, "Yeah, why is her alarm going off?" So, you know, >> um, so, >> but yeah, so >> anybody else questions? >> Okay. Thank you, Chief. >> All right. Number nine is our CFO.
>> Um, just have um monthly cash receipts report. So, I'll just read um the receipts in this month for August. August received for 2,956,000 $52959. August dispersements $1,39161,391,63148
for an ending balance of 9,927,192. >> Thank you. State CFO. >> I have a question. Go >> ahead. Um, on the agenda tonight, we have several requests for dedication by Ryder for >> Could you explain what that is? And I and I have another request.
>> Sure. >> So, um, these are trust accounts that we have there. None of them are really new, but when the auditors came through the our budget has like a listing of all our trusts, and these are just ones that they realized the state had not really approved at some point. So, just trying
to do these resolutions. We'll send them to the state. Hopefully they'll get approved. >> And um at the land use board, one of the members there is requesting that we adopt an ordinance that would create a trust fund for sidewalk waiverss.
So I don't know if anybody wants to address that. Maybe we could talk about it. >> That's we could talk about it >> committee council can look into it. We do have a small reserve I think from someone in the past that has done that but we don't actually have a trust right now. >> I think what they're talking about is if
they wave the requirement to have the cyber they should put something >> other towns have that Brian. >> Yes. >> Yes. Well typically it's sidewalk and landscaping. >> Okay. So >> it's controversial. Nobody wants to talk
about it. Nobody wants to do it. All right. Uh, number 10, city clerk. >> Um, today I got a another use of facilities that came in late and I just want to put on the agenda. It's not till October 25th, but it's the breaking bread ministry. I think the chief spoke
I think they're involved in that, too. And it it partners with the the coalition >> coalition for safe community, but it is October 25th. I just would like to add it with the veteran veteran day program for a motion to approve. Um, they use Lincoln Park from 11 to 1. give out
clothing and food and um other things. And she said last year was their biggest event yet. >> What's the name of their >> It's called Breaking Bread U Ministries. That's who it's several churches that come together and it's a clothing drive. In addition, they give out free lunch
and other other giveaways, other um I think the chief mentioned something about October 25th, something they do. >> Yeah, that's through the same thing. Yeah, the coalition uh coalition for safe community. It's um one of their subcommittees, the uh interfaith subcommittee that does that um every
year where they do the the food drive, not the food drive, but the breaking bread. So all the different uh denominations come and >> bread and they do a clothing drive and so that >> they gave us a certificate of insurance and they said people actually drop off clothes there too and they give it away. So if I could just add that one. Yes,
the other. >> Yeah, we'll make sure that's added. Thank you. I think we've done in the past. >> Anything else? >> Okay. City attorney. >> Um, did you did you skip, Jerry? >> Yeah.
>> No mistakes. >> City administrator. >> Thank you. Um, so, um, recently a flyer went out, uh, with a letter from the mayor regarding the distribution of the, uh, toers and because I was working with
a new vendor because I had, um, multiple emails going back and forth, the flyer did go out with a typo. I apologize. It wasn't a dirty word typo. It was just a typo. Uh, which is a relief. Um and uh but but if anyone if anyone and I
apologize for that, >> but if anyone has any questions, I'm already fielding questions from individuals uh people who own units, people who own um buildings and have one, two units, and they just want to make sure um that they're each unit is
going to get a uh a totter, a set of toers. Uh so I'm handling that through my office. But as I said, the uh distribution will start. We'll have a team here from Grand Rapids, Michigan, uh probably for the week, most of the week, if not more. Um we've got several
tractor trailers coming to DPW at 7 a.m. on Monday morning. So, it's going to be a busy place and um they'll start distributing the uh the towers and of course I'll start feeling feeling the phone calls of all the minor issues and problems. Um but we're finally here,
which is great. >> Jerry, how many of the smaller ones did we order? 100 of each which will not be distributed. There'll be trades that I that I negotiate. >> Um number two, the Crusader Building uh is almost complete. Uh Mason reminded me we have to do a few outlets, but other
than that um the Crusader building has been somewhat rehabbed. >> Um there's a new door which was the biggest thing, right? >> Yep. >> Then there's rolled down gates. There's also lights uh in the uh in the announcers booth. Um we painted it. We
put a new ceiling in. So, it was a lot of work going on in there. Actually, the insulation that was in the ceiling was uh completely compromised with moisture. So, we got rid of all that. Put all new in. >> So, um um that's going to have a second life, which is great. And then we have a big game Sunday, right? Yep.
>> Right. Big game Sunday. So, we'll have DW presence there and all of that. I did go to the first game. It's pretty crazy that lightning and Oh, yeah. >> That was crazy. >> Well, we had to make We had to finish it on Sunday. >> Yeah. >> Yo, you had to finish on Sunday. I didn't know that. >> Yeah, cuz during uh JV got in and then
I'll say about maybe two minutes in left in the JV game, it just opened up. So, they finished their game. They delayed varsity a little bit, right, >> just to let the rain die cuz we were like 15 minutes ahead of schedule and then um we got into
probably two minutes into the second half, I mean second quarter and then um lightning strikes. So, once lightning does, you have to have a half hour delay for every lightning bolt, right? So we stayed got it down to about 20 minutes and then it did it again. So there's another by the time we would if we would
had to start back up we wouldn't have been able to start back up till like 11:00 11:30. So late. >> So we brought it back till Sunday at noon and have to finish the second half of the game. >> Hopefully that's not the case Sunday. Yeah. >> You're starting earlier. >> Yeah. Sunday the game starts at 10:00. >> Okay. >> So 10 11:30 1 and 2:30.
>> Okay. Um, on the agenda tonight, number 16 is the resolution to enter into a contract with R&B regarding the planning and design services for citywide storm water management. This is money that uh would have zero match for the city. It's
up to $2 million in work. What this does is it will set the table for future uh improvements on the storm water system as well as the roads, the catch basins, all of that stuff with the um I bank money with the $3 million per year. I
know I'm taking some of Ryan's thunder away. But I just want to tell you that that at a former municipality where I worked before this, uh they spent over $675,000 in 18 months to investigate their storm water system. And that wasn't even
completed yet, right? And it's not free regrant money. It was a different community. It wasn't an overburdened low moderate income community like this. And it was all town money. So when you have a program that you can take advantage of, it's a total home run. Total home run for us. So, and more work for Ryan.
Just kidding. Today we had a meeting for an opportunity to have a a um to apply for a grant um for a communitywide um grounds inventory and investigation um for a half a million dollars. There'll be more of that uh on the next
meeting. Uh but I just wanted to uh update some of the board members who were not there that um there's a lot of money coming in for Brownsfields. We have the two VBAs. One of them will be discussed tonight. Um but there's a lot of money for brownfields which in Hamilton I did a
lot of this but not necessarily with all this money coming in. So there's a lot of money coming in. We need to take advantage of it. Um and finally the Pinelands we had a great meeting with Pinelands. Uh mostly um they wanted to talk to us face to face. Uh actually we wanted to talk to them but I think they
wanted to talk to us more about resolving some of the longunning issues that we had with them. um which we're meeting couple of Tuesdays, right? 6th we're meeting with them 7th 6th or 7th. Yeah. And meeting a virtual with Brian first.
>> So we're going over a bunch of things um so that we can resolve some issues. We did get approval for some subdivision of some lots and we did learn that um in the case of like the egg corporate city north development, they don't necessarily they just want you to follow their rules but they don't necessarily
get involved in density. they don't get involved in other issues that um we think they would be concerned about. They give the ability for the municipalities to have in the control not control but to enjoy home rule. So which is good.
>> We thought that was going to be an issue. >> We thought that exactly right. >> Yeah. >> That said unless anyone has questions. Nette has question. Um, regarding the Brownfields investigation, we did something like that a couple years ago through Sustainable Jersey, though. You
might want to check on our um >> Well, we did >> on our on the website. >> Who actually did it? >> Brian did. >> Brian did it. >> But it has all the all the brownfield sites listed. >> So, you have that somewhere. >> Yeah. Yeah. The map and all. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, this half a million dollars if
we get it. >> I did it already a couple years ago. >> Yeah. I get the feeling it's going be a little more than death. >> It might be a little more than death. But this gives us this sets us up for one and a half to four million per year to potentially clean up these
properties, especially the ones if we own them. And I learn every day that we own new properties all the time. We have so many properties in our city, it's crazy. Um that have contamination. >> Yeah. >> You know, that sounds very ownorous, but
you have to realize the age of the city. And at one point there was a lot of industry here. >> So I mean back in the old days, you know, they didn't care about what you did with your garbage. >> A lot of little gas stations all over the place. >> Yeah.
>> So So there's there's opportunity. Just have to get it and manage it. >> The tough part. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. Carrie, I have a question. Uh could you just elab if you can elaborate a little bit on the bowling alley? What
happened? Is there anything that you can tell us? >> No. So, so we were in front of the construction board of appeals for the fire official violations. The violations that the fire official wrote and because there was some um information that
wasn't shared with city and the um uh the owner and attorney of the bowling alley, they had to table the item. We weren't able to. We talked about it for a little while, but weren't able to resolve anything. So, right now the the fire violations are over $50,000
and so we need to get some resolution on that and then uh there was just the the final decision from the previous time I went to the court of appeals that had not been distributed. Be back and then we'll be in Hamilton
Court next Thursday again. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? Jerry. Thank you, Jerry. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh now number 12, city attorney. Uh yeah, quickly u earlier this week we
finished up the vicious dog ordinance and then division ordinance. It went to um Jerry and I and I think he um he copied Councilman Timbers on it for the code for ordinance committee to take a look at. So once you have any questions,
be happy to questions or comments on that because I know it's been a reoccurring topic in a lot of these movies. So the one uh victim that we just had recently where the dog got attacked. >> Yeah. >> Um did the woman that was responsible
for the dog agree to pay the dog expenses? >> For the injured dog? >> I don't know that. >> Okay. >> That that's >> Do you know that, Chief? I do not know, but from my understanding, she was victim blaming.
>> She was what? >> Victim blaming. >> Oh, okay. >> All right. >> Yeah. So, I don't know. And I don't think I don't I guess that must have gone to John or Diagene. >> I don't think so. The city was involved,
right? >> Probably civil man. It is. Okay. >> All right. Thank you, engineer. So nothing to the big one. That big that was the big one. Um so Buffalo Avenue, we're
recommending that we award that contract tonight. Um we had two bidters. Um there was probably a little bit higher than anticipated, but still within reason. Um so there's no reason to think we're getting better pricing if we go back out. Um the construction, we got to talk
to the contractor about um when they're going to be able to start. I was kind of hoping they'd be able to start in the fall, but u the method that we specified is a little more temperature sensitive. So, um we have to just talk with them to see if they're going to be able to get it all done before it gets cold before we have to wait uh and sort of start in
like February, March and wrap up the spring. um Lake Campground. Uh we did get some direction coming out admin commission supposed to be out there with Ron Ward October 7th because they expressed concerns about species and
tried to explain like it's on top of a 100-year-old clay dam and people have been walking on it almost every day. It's practically concrete like you could not and nothing will grow there. So, um I'm hoping when she sees the area that we're talking about, we'll avoid all of
those studies that take forever and cost a bunch of money. So, we'll see how that goes. Um and I think the other thing that we definitely landed on coming out of that is um we have money to do both the the improvements outside and the bathroom upgrades. So, uh we had discussed splitting off the bathrooms
and bidding them separately. We're definitely doing that. We're going to try to target your October 16th meeting to award that. Um, so we can do that and the city hall made an improvement simultaneously. So that's the next thing on this. Um, talked to triad about um applying for a fourth year funding of
DCA funding. Um, and they said, "Look, we really need to get some money spent down to show them that we're making progress and document what's been going on with the permit delays for finance commission." So, I'm working with them to to give them all that justification and then if we can award both of these by the 16th and start drawing down, uh they said that they said it'd be much
better positioned to get next year's CDBG grant funding. So, that's what we're trying to to position ourselves for. Um the path, we're still just working through that. Um New Ordision, like Jerry said, we actually got approval on that. So, we're scheduled to go set the property corners on October
1st and then I'll turn it over to Chris to file the subdivision. uh just filed by plat and then the city should be able to sell those. Uh the iBA storm project, that's the ongoing one. I'm just waiting for direction from DP of when we can uh get through their final reviews and get
that out to bid, but hopefully that'll start next spring. Um and then week Street, that's sitting just waiting for DOT review. We got some comments back responded to just some directions. Um the back side's been cleaned up a little bit. It's really just some updates. uh
katak fields. We got to direct pylons there. Going after restore a parking area. Um and then we should be able to move forward with the other stuff that we talked about the concrete pad for the port botties and extending snack stand. Um BDA areas we have been working at HTSRs. It sounds like we're going to be
working with Jeff on on the one uh at the Antar Avenue site. >> Excuse me. Ryan, can >> Yes. >> Uh the uh slab for the port of hotties. I don't know anything about that one. >> Okay. So we we had discussed probably over a year ago now. um that the
bathrooms at the uh T-Rex site are really inadequate for like Sunday game days for football, larger events, national, things like that. Um so there are water botties on site um but they're not really ADA accessible. They're just in the grass. Um and it's kind of uneven, whatever. So we talked about
adding a concrete pad out behind the building and then having uh an accessible path leading from the pedestrian path that's already there over to the port body pod. So you'd have 80 accessible uh Florida bodies and and they'd be stabilized be a lot easier to maintain
>> and will that will be owned by the city and will they be open all the time? Does anyone know? >> Those were only open. >> Right. So the ports are already there for game days and for events like that. So my understanding is that they would be managed the same way. They'll just sit on that coffee. >> The boards are out there because I
refuse to clean those bathrooms. >> Yeah. >> Every other day. Thank you. So and I'm about I've been doing it for the last two week and one's football season until people teach their kids how to use the bathroom. I'm not over kids.
>> Well, the adults, too. Well, mostly the kids. >> Just looking for a stable pad for the water. That's what we're looking for. >> Yeah, they're already there whenever they're there. So, we'll just >> I was just wondering because of people playing pickle ball, we're wondering if it >> opens.
Pots are always open 247. >> They are open. That's what I'm asking. Yeah, the portfol. >> Yeah, they've been out there for two weeks. >> Council President, may I add to this discussion? >> And Mace, maybe you can clarify this, but the portaotties are only there for
the football games. >> Yeah. >> They're not there 12 months a year. >> No, they're not. >> Just so you know that. I think that's what you're getting at. >> Yes. >> They're not there. I usually open the bathrooms when we're out there Tuesdays and Thursdays from June until beginning of probably like the middle of August.
>> So you lock them on every other day of the week other than 8:00 there >> and then pods are there from usually the end of August until depending on if we have the playoff games or whenever our last game of the season may be. >> We you know we'll pull them usually
usually to I say at least until November. >> Okay. But I don't think there's anybody out there playing pickle ball in middle of November or December. >> Depends. There's some nice days. >> Okay. Um then yeah, last two things we have are the the area redevelopment studies we've kind of gone through and I
left the update for the Philadelphia projects at so many questions. >> I do have Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Just Buffalo Avenue the 4 500 block. >> Did you identify any trees that need to be removed? Yeah, there are a couple.
Originally talked about whether to keep them in or take them out of the contract. Um what are you on that? >> Yeah, we're looking at back. We're looking at them tomorrow with the three men. Okay. >> Yeah. Before Jerry's administrator, he gave us the list of which ones that we should part of the project. So yeah, and that was consulting. Yeah.
>> And when he does that those streets, could could he do the rest of Buffalo Avenue? >> I could ask him to. Yeah, sure. cuz there's like not I don't my tree needs to come out that was broken and then there's a tree across the street that is half dead that
>> so maybe you could do the whole street at one time. >> Yeah. >> Um so Ryan to my recollection we discussed not putting the mat across the bridge if possible. It would make our life a lot easier over the dam.
>> That's we'll have that conversation. So, I know you'll have that conversation, but that was my recollection that we weren't going to do that. >> We would sort of offer that if if that was going to be a problematic area, we pull back on that. >> Okay. And um also, uh Jod and I talked
to Stefania from uh Triad >> also like two days ago and she feels like and I think Jod concurs that we're never going to spend that much money. We have to spend $600,000 before November. So, it's not a crisis,
but we just won't get it this year. We'll have to apply next year. >> Yeah. So, we I had I had a probably 15-inute call with her and we talked through the logistics and how much money we can get spent. Yeah. We we would have to spend one entire grant and then half another. Yeah. >> So, yeah, I agree that's not there's no
way to accomplish that. Um but we could probably spend a good couple hundred thousand >> and that's fine. That's a good thing. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> But I just want you to be aware of that that that's probably not going to happen. >> Yeah. They were they were sort of teetering back and forth. they were they were looking for information for us to to make call.
>> And then um one thing you didn't mention which you wouldn't because you're not the engineer on the job. However, the bike path we did discuss that we got some answers on that and um Pinelands will have to they'll the CME
will have to submit um >> revises >> plans. They apparently went overboard. You want to talk about a little bit? We we had a reductive discussion with the Pineelands about what had been submitted and whether um that was a good idea, for lack of a better way to put it. Um so I
I think there's probably a better approach from the detail that they submitted. Um I had a a lengthy call already with Brian Zor and reviews all the storm work for the commission and we have another call set up for next week. Um but um after I speak with him, I'm
planning to speak to um we set up a meeting with uh Poland and another gentleman from CME who's working on the design um so we can sort of relay to them what we got from the commission and what we came up with as a better path forward. So I I think that we should be
able to reduce they had a a footprint that involved puries paving with stone underneath and then a parallel portion of stone next to it. So the water would go down into the stone and then over and then down which um doesn't really help anybody just kind of wasted space and push the footprint of the project wider
which creates additional problems. So um I talked to the commission about you know using a smaller footprint just infiltrating right underneath the previous paving. They were open to that. So, I just need to convey that to CMA and explain the argument that they need to make uh to get that done.
>> And Ryan has generously offered to work hand in hand with the new engineer. One out of what four did we decide? >> I I think that have left. >> I think this is the >> Yeah. >> How many years has this project been working? >> Seven.
>> FY 2018 plan. And I count the time that Maria was on council. It's 20. >> So, um, thank you, Ryan. Ryan really wants this this to move forward. He obviously couldn't be the engineer because there was a conflict. So, we had
to appoint another engine. >> Yeah, you guys got design. They're designing free like, you know, I get it. It's fine. William, but yeah, they unfortunately need some shephering along this process. >> We'll get it there. >> Thanks, Ryan. Sure.
>> And I had a question for the mayor and whoever had that meeting with Triad. >> Did the um shade structure grant application come up? >> We're going to discuss that such things like that tomorrow. >> We didn't discuss that. >> Okay. Because the the deadline is coming
up. >> Yeah. We're going to meet with them tomorrow at 1:00. Right Jerry? >> You're invited to that meeting. >> You're on that, >> isn't she? Try it. >> Oh, no. >> Try it. >> Try sent it out. I didn't send it out. >> Yeah,
>> she didn't put She didn't put it on She didn't send it as a calendar invite. That's why I didn't have the thing. She just sent it with no response required. So, that's why I couldn't find it. >> Yeah, but I don't You're right. You may I may not have it. Same thing happened today. >> There's a meeting tomorrow with the ACA
project profiles at one o'clock. >> That was today. >> That was today, >> wasn't it, Cher? >> No, today was >> or that was the uh Miller, right? >> Yeah. >> No, I don't think the ACA is next. >> No, that
>> uh that meeting >> I have it on my calendar. >> You do? >> Yep. >> I don't think I have it on my >> meeting. >> What time, Ryan? 3:00. >> 1 o'clock. >> Yep. 1 o'c. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Pretty sure triads at one o'clock. >> Well, that Okay. So, that is a BD triad.
Yeah. >> Yeah. That's the same project profiles, >> right? But it never it never got to my calendar. I just got an email. So >> I did forward it to you. >> You did? Okay. But I then hence got this is got one. >> No, this has a Zoom link on it. It's we'll get it to you.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Councilwoman H. >> Brian, I just wanted to ask you um about the I bank and the uh storm water management. I know it had said something about repaving the whole road where it
>> Yes. So with roadway restoration is eligible. Additionally, we have in the past done roof drain and sump pump collector pipes under the sidewalks. >> So if we choose to install those in additional locations, we would be able
to replace the sidewalk, the curb, and the street all with this sound funding source. >> And that's really why we're doing it. So sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. >> And and do we have this all worked out so we're not doing it redundantly? Nothing's going to be on buffalo or anything like that. >> Right. So the the first part what we're
asking for authorization now is essentially a full H&H study. So hydraulic and hydraologic study of the entirety of a harbor city and the upstream contributed water flooded so we can figure out you know what storm water do we need to manage. Then we go back through we build a model of your entire existing system find out what the
deficiencies are identify areas that don't have adequate storm water management and then we design the system to replace what you have upgrade it to meet the sizes that are required to move the flows that we're projecting and uh to make extensions to areas that don't have adequate storm management now. So
that that is this part. It's the it's the planning. So planning is figuring it all out and then design. And then once we have that on the shelf, we're probably going to identify 25 to $30 million worth of work. And I bank right now has $3 million annually that applies for uh the clean water program for
construction. So at least for the next two years, they'll have $3 million a year to start chipping away at what we come up with in the planning design >> and take the worst parts first. >> Correct. My question is the roads that we're working on
>> here. When will this plan be uh worked out so we know that? >> Yeah. To coordinate. >> Yeah. So, we're as we're going through when we have the next project that's coming up, we'll sort of accelerate that part of it to make sure we're doing, you
know, whatever we need to do in that piece so that we're not messing things up downstream, right? So, we we know this is going on. We may not be done the whole thing, but we can figure out, okay, what do we need to do here now to make sure that this fits in with the whole rest of the puzzle? >> That's what I'm hoping. So, we get as
many streets done as possible without >> Can I add something to that? >> Uh Brian and Jerry are also going to meet once they get their plan with American Water. So, I think your question is, is it going to
>> affect their what they already did? And in fact, it won't. >> Well, it's not just that. I mean, we're working on Buffalo right now. So, we're redoing all of Buffalo. So, is it going to rupt are we going to rip off Buffalo at some point because of this? >> No. So, we're we're making storm management improvements for this
project, but they're very minimal. It's just like a cross string at a street. So, yeah, there's nothing that we're going to do here that should be impacted by a project. >> Okay. And I I agree that is another part of it. >> Correct. So once once we have um some kind of timeline and targeted areas, not even like resolved of what we're doing
there. Once we have targeted areas and a timeline for when we anticipate doing construction, we'll reach out to the utility companies and say, "Hey, in a year and a half, we're going to be repaving this and doing some storm water work. I can't tell you what we're doing yet because we haven't figured out yet, but this is where we're going to be, when we're going to be so that they can
start, you know, accelerating their plan." We actually had that with the first phase of this this project that we're doing now that we did the sign for already. Um we reached out to New Jersey American. We conveyed what we were doing and they accelerated a portion replacement. They had it like two years out on schedule and they said look we'll
do this now and we can do it in front of you and then you guys can come in and you know that we save on restoration we could help with restoration elsewhere. >> Right. We need so you are coordinating like the mayor said. Great. >> We need we need them to do their work in front of us. >> Yes. Absolutely. Not just American
Water, but the gas company, too. >> Thank you. >> Sure. >> Anyone else for Ryan? Anything else for All right. Um, thank you, Ryan.
>> Thank you. >> We'll go to number 14. Uh, presentation from Jeffrey Dy, Dynamic Site Redevelopment LLC. He's going to talk about some of the things we were just talking about. Yeah,
>> I also have I think you got >> CL recycle paper. I went on both sides. And what's already >> don't waste. >> Okay. So, as Gary told me, I had the five minutes, but so, uh, here to talk about the, uh, PDA
and the industrial park, specifically the landfill. And, uh, as some of you may recall, I was in here last fall talking about the landfill as well. >> And, um, um, here we are again. uh had a lot of discussions and and met with the
finance committee went over some concerns and we put together a kind of presentation about where we uh where things are from our side and how we'd like to work with our city to uh move things forward in BDA over there in industrial park starting with the landing.
So who are we? Uh dynamic site redevelopment is our uh division. We're a company that does brownfield redevelopment. It's nice to come to a council meeting where everybody's talking about brownfields. It's exciting and uh also does a construction management uh resource control consultancy. He's an environmental
consulting company. Uh being integrated like that gives us a lot of efficiencies. Uh and um we can answer any questions about that. We've been operating out of South Jersey for 33 years. We've cleaned up a lot of sites uh in in the Mid-Atlantic.
Uh used to work for some big companies aren't around anymore. when I've had the opportunity to travel around the country and do some projects. Um, that's my stage name, Jeffrey Cidai. Uh, and, uh, I'm an LSRP, a professional geologist, not an engineer. So, uh, we
do have, uh, PES and PGs on staff. Uh, one of the things, um, I don't like to talk about myself too much. particularly embarrassed but I was invited to participate when the LSRP program came out in a number of the guidance documents for investigation remediation
of soils elapsed uh landfill uh and under storage tanks and was author of those guidance documents those are being a lot of those are being revised and specifically the landfill guidance document we're working on that revision right now and it has some uh new nuances in it that I think
it proves things a little bit so why us Rick mentioned experienced brownfield developers. We cleaned up everything all over the place from home oil tanks or insurance companies, the messy ones that go under your neighbor's house and all that to refineries whether they're chemical or oil refineries. So uh we
kind of know uh know our way around contaminated sites. Uh we're very known with NAP staff and management professionals like we said, geologists, engineers, environmental scientists, LSRPs. Um, and we consider ourselves landfill
closure renewable experts. We got into landfill to solar a long time ago actually or landfill closure about 2005. Uh, Srex were like a gazillion dollars a piece back in 2010 and everybody was thought it was going to be amazing. It's
still pretty good, but um, so that was a big driver there. And but really for the old municipal land, it's only been very recent by 2021 where the funds are actually now available to actually be able to execute the project. Uh more work over there in Hamilton Township
with your neighbor. I've got some uh some images in here of that project which we finally just broke ground on uh earlier this year uh on closure. So um and they're using more programs and so the state is still very uh excited and
consenting uh both a landfill closure in particular when you're going to put uh solar on it and particularly community solar which is what the plan is here as you've already mentioned some of the we're uh as far as other brownfield redevelopment we're pretty agnostic
about what the vertical development is so it's not like hey we're coming in as a builder we want to do condos or we want to do this or we want to do And we know a lot of folks and work with a lot of folks that do all different kinds. So in this instance where you got a BDA and a steering committee back and
forth with folks what does the city want and you can't get what the city wants because it doesn't work out demographically. You know there's no interest in that particular but we certainly have experience and and know a lot of folks that can work there. So, um, we're always looking for the highest and best use if it works on on a project
and, uh, and can can bring those partners in to work on whatever the the final, uh, highest and best use. Uh, one of the things specific here, but in general, we're flexible in partnership with other firms. We're a small alpha out of South Jersey. We know a lot, but we also know what we don't
know. So, we partner with experts in threatened species, which was mentioned today. uh specific engineering components and so forth. And in here, which I've mentioned I've mentioned it several times with with Ryan, we would work with we've done this in our 70 to
53 upland acres in National Park, New Jersey, which now has started the solar construction component of the project. The landfill has been certified closed. uh we worked with the municipal engineer and they were our engineers to design the landfill and and do construction and
management documentation and provided the the asill uh uh certification that was submitted to solid waste for their approval. So our plan is to work with Gington, specifically Ryan. I don't know if he's the actual land expert, but I'm sure he'll be watching everything. That
also is an efficiency where we don't have our engineer coming in. And then we've got an escro. This engineer is looking at that. He's fighting with the other engineer. So it saves time. Time is critical right now given the fights going on or the position I should say federal government versus the state
government talking about that. So what we're asking the city is to appoint DSR as a design developer to the Anfor BDA. I understand that the whole BDA is not uh necessarily a brownfield development area yet and we're looking to start with the landfill but we are interested in
helping the entire BTA area. U next slide is I've got some images throughout here and I'll point out what they are. They don't necessarily direct completely with the with the text but um they are there for this is your uh your PDA area
over there in the industrial part uh from uh Ryan PDA application that was a great thing. We talked with a lot of folks here back when that was happening and uh that provides um a quicker access funding. It also provides on buds person at D. If you get in
trouble with different folks within the department, they can come in and say, "Listen, stop being a jerk. Let's get this done." That's what we do literally. Um, and uh, so uh, the first thing to do is a landfill investigation. We had actually photos in here last August. Uh, again, time is of the essence. We'll
talk about that. Uh, negotiate a redevelopment agreement for the landfill remedial and LRP design and and land remedial and landfill closure plan design 75% funded by HDSRF. 25% funded by the redeveloper. There are some programs in place that will be coming
online or on online yet that can help support that 25% the Brit as it's called Brownfield redevelopment senate program that is a tax credit so you don't get paid on that till the end. So we would bridge the gap in there and put some financing in place in the hope we would actually be able to sell the tax credit
at the end. And then our model is to uh take title. We're not absolutely fixed on this model, but it's worked well with our other projects. Um is when the landfills closed, we would actually take title and be responsible for the landfill closure throughout the duration of 30 years is really what the time
frame is. And the solar lease money pays for that long-term monitoring and any any gap in the financing up to 20% that we got to put up for that. So that's how that works. goes back on the tax roles >> and we can tax you >> and you can decide you tax us
conversationally. Uh $7,500 a megawatt. >> Um >> but the bottom line is this project would not cost the city >> this project itself would not cost the city any money. In our finance committee there was some discussion about that and we've talked about some financial
measures or mechanisms or asurances that would put in place to make sure that that is uh that is the case. So there's a number of things that um while the landfill is going on if we if other sites are interested I know some of these sites were privately owned that presents a little bit of an issue I
understand worked a lot of those in the past um so anyway that's what we look at uh next slide conceptual land well agreement structure I just talked about that didn't I okay um this uh this slide on this is is a depiction of a uh closed
landfill or landfill no longer used. It does not have a liner in the bottom. And these are the sequences of degradation that happened in your in your subsurface soil and groundwater as the landfill decays. What's been what's been found uh
in recent years, landfill regulations in 71, they weren't approved till 80 something and by that time the science had already changed. Now the whole idea don't let anything in the top of the landfill cap with the imperial covers. the rain doesn't get in and wash everything out, right? What's been found
now is that moisture in a landfill actually helps with degradation and that so that science that was there in the beginning or that engineering that actually by the time it was actually in place in practice, not to mention all the caps were initially put in all leak anyway. So, um
>> he explained that better than the pineelands test >> because they were Yes. I should have mentioned that Jerry started with we had a great meeting with the finance commission. That does not happen every day. Do you >> that was that was enough. Um anyway, so
that's just what that sliding but that that's a legacy landfill and the degradation. Most of these old municipal landfills that have been out of service and have waste put in for so long are what we would say technical term is cooked out. They've already been degraded. Uh any of the contamination any but a lot of contamination in the
groundwater has biodegraded over time. And uh when you you have those the bottom of those landfills end up getting a mucky mess, but it actually acts as a BOF filter. So uh anything kind of coming down and washing through there goes to that BOF filter. It really doesn't degrade. It obviously attaches
to the to the soil particles and pretty difficult. >> Uh Jeff, do you ever see after a landfill is that the monitoring wells start getting worse? uh as far as contamination >> only if there's uh you know if it's a mess there right if it's a if it's a bad
but and usually on those sites you'll find a problem area and excavate it we were involved in the uh the uh Harris landfill in Camden where they built the croc center the landfill uh consultants on that project and they had a nasty
there was actually film of the trucks pulling up dumping waste it was chlorobenzene or something so they had to actually excavate that it was hazardous and take it off site. So you any real bad >> could happen but >> yeah probably don't but >> well again our investigation is a pretty
extensive uh scope uh some of the things that have been uh upgraded in a new guidance that's coming out which I have know exactly what it says because again we're working uh is geohysical investigation really looking for drones and tanks and things like that and geoysical uh there's many different
techniques sonic and magic and so forth again not older expertise on we have an expert firm that work couple that Um, >> so so you take samples from the whole that whole area >> that whole area.
We got to turn the limit. Then we take samples of the top, take samples of the waist, take samples underneath, uh, groundwater and soil, but so you know, both and figure out exactly what the situation is, delineate the extent of it. There's existing wells, there's been
existing monitoring. Brian has shared some of that data with us. you've looked at it. It doesn't look very bad at all. >> So, that's why I'm surprised that there would be anything that would creep up later, right? You figure out if it's >> Yeah. Once again for the investigation. No, pretty much. But again, you're
taking a soil sample that represents a lot of a big area and you know, do you get that's where geohysical investigation covers a broad area and if something looks weird there, go in that area to investigate. So, it kind of targets your physical spectrum of those
areas. less time. Uh quick schedule. Um we'll talk about why we've uh got to hurry up on this in a minute, but image here is actually the Hamilton landill and mates landing that we just broke ground on. That's an actual real drone image with the design
laid over top. Uh we finished up clearing or just finishing up stump grinding now and uh mobilized this week to start physical construction of land closure. uh anticipated schedule for the investigation both is 6 to nine months.
Uh application with Kylins and HDSRF, we would probably make an HDSRF off the top for them in the city, but we'll make an actual application for the actual closure budget very soon, even before we're done. Just kind of a it's kind of an engineers estimate if you will, but
to get it in, get it submitted, get it approved so we can move along as we go forward. You can always adjust those. You can get supplemental corrective. We actually go out the bids, you get all the contracts, etc. So, and pine you got to get in there first. I thought Ryan about this a
little bit. Even today, red endangered species, cultural issues. You got to find those. You got to look for those right away. If they're there, you got to kind of clear them out. Hopefully you guys don't have a red heart talks. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> They're in my heart. in my order aren't quite as bad as any. Yeah. Uh designs Ryan probably do this but three or four months but that will happen kind of in concert with the investigation regulatory approvals 3
to six months maybe and then the closure itself is a 9 to six month project. Um that'll be followed by reporting as built groundwater monitoring. uh and once the closures and that can happen after the closure is complete certified and while the solar is being constructed
because so with ancrf project like this you have to specify the solid waste regulations and site remediation regulations so you've got a professional engineers leading the closure aspect under solid waste and the LSRP and geologists are leading the site remediation part of the project so it's
it's a much more thorough investigation of a landfill than just solid waste necessarily although solid waste is now going to use our dime stop said so. >> So what the soonestly could be finished what is soonest? >> I'll get to that later. I'm sorry. >> That's okay. No, no, because it it ties
back into the the solar and the investment tax credit. That's >> uh the next slide just talks about the action items redeveloper appointment and approval of resolution for landfill investigation HTS application. I've sent
uh an updated version of the uh the application for the HSRF investigation uh along with a budget and a resolution over to uh Jerry and uh um if you're so in favor I would recommend we kind of get that moving
uh project. Let's talk about that. >> Well, no one secret. So, in that regard, um it would be it would be uh up to the council of course if they agreed to um appoint as redeveloper this evening um ESR and then the resolution which we
have um we received. So, I wanted to have Chris take a look at it for us. So, it might be it would be for subsequ language from them. So you >> I didn't write it. That's for sure. >> It's a It's a standard application.
>> Wings says they're going to hold your >> No. No. I wouldn't do that. >> You've done them before like we recently did one for um >> those project. >> Yeah. So there that the investigation work the plunary assessment site
investigation reme 100% funded by CS. So our solar development that we're working for the two projects we have therapy right now is CS Energy. I'll talk about why there are on this next slide here. Um and not that we're locked into them but we like them. We they've
already done an initial scouting work on this. We did some last year uh as I mentioned in the last meeting with greener by design. They invested some stuff but they've done a preliminary like a preliminary application you can send in for ACA looks to lines and they've determined
that this is the potential capacity out here. Um so um they would they have their own project and their own pilings application. This is the application for closure would be a public application. city would actually be the applicant to manage all that, run that through and pay all the trees and all that stuff,
but the city's the applicant because they're the owner of the landfill. Um, and we put on as a redeveloper, we put ourselves on as the operator, which is kind of weird. Um, because it's not operating. Um, so but they would come in for uh do their own plans application,
their own site plan application, etc. Uh, down the road concept is is one to two community solar project. community solar products have a limit of five megawatts. 10 acres is pretty tight in my opinion, but the technology is getting so good they think they can fit
up to six megawatts on here. uh depending and it also depends on the point of interconnection that the interconnection points are a driver on where you can go how what does this particular substation able to handle that right so they've looked at that think that between five and seven
megawws is possible um and we over here we picked CS energy you can see all New Jersey that's the megawatts they've done uh more than more than 2/3 and everybody else has done the over the quarter really. Um, so they're
very experienced. They've done a lot of work. I'm sorry. >> Could you tell me the 5 to seven megawatt would u megawws would um cover like what would that >> next page is it doesn't have to say on here because I forgot it's 1200
>> uh a general rule of thumb for that side of a project. Uh so make sure point of recogn again holding these numbers but uh individual household savings you're talking about 20% savings lost electric bills about $32 a month from an average
home uh uh a little under $400 a year over the first 20 year cycle 7,800 and the program for the 1200 00 that's the whole 1,200 homes. Those savings, the electrical savings who the homes businesses are also eligible, but everybody kind of encourages the
homeowners first to sign up. So about 400 a year is what the benefit would be for a red >> for a resident. Yes, that's >> And who would manage that? >> Uh that's AC or the >> it's managed by um it's actually managed by the BPU, but there's a program
there's training and the CS Energy will help with that and we will too. there. We'll make sure we keep everybody in line and our our idea is is to be a resident of Egg City for a long time. So, Ohio House.
>> So, this is a little this slide you can look at this yourself. It talks about the different steps and how you sign up and and uh it's prioritized the schools and other the residents say a harbor city. Uh the federal policy impact on solar this is the thing that is really
up. So as you may have heard the uh one big beautiful bill that's called was passed in July the 1 125 and it's has a sunset provisions of the investment tax investment tax better right now for building solar facilities. It's 30%. a
lot of money for these facilities that are multi-m million dollar projects and uh they can still do a project but the lease payments like you know a couple of dollars not but the outside of the point but >> um and then the other thing that was alarming that thankfully didn't happen
is that they uh the executive order asked for the uh treasury to not allow the safe harbor and that was turned out treasury simply couldn't do such impressive IRS. So what does that mean?
Very simply, they need to start construction by mid 2026 and start construction I think it is is 5% of their project budget. So for example that we have here from the solar developer and it can be on-site or
offsite. So on landfills the solar panels are sit on racking but the racking sits on concrete blocks. So if they let a PO to the concrete manufacturer to manufacture the concrete blocks for the Milwaukee by the middle of next year, they'll have another four
years to complete project. So that's why it still works, but we've got to get to a point um by the time we get to by middle of next year such that um they're comfortable with making the commitment going forward etc. So obviously there's
a lot of moving parts on it. So it would be nice to start the investigation on uh and there's also some strict rules in the in the bill about you can't keep the panels from China and things like that sourcing. over. Uh the last slide just
show this is uh some of the other pictures you saw with Hamilton. The one on the front is our example over in that closed now. And this is a national park site. Top left corner is the beginning where we started. Bottom is the very beginning of starting and this is
completion before we seated. that large area up top that's meant to be a megaw that is and my phone number is there in case anybody has any questions and again thank you for coming in and
>> I do I have a question to answer questions about anything else >> I do have questions I have a question um we live out in that area uh we actually live past where the um the industrial park gives out by the lake and we are at
Pinelands. We went to put we put solar in and we wanted to put it in our field. Um Pinelands told us absolutely no solar in your field. No permanent structure in your field because you are Pineland
sorry water buffer for Pinelands. If you want solar it has to go on the roof of your house or you don't get it. Could you run into that type of situation in that lot that we wrote we we ran into on our property? >> Well, I've learned my lesson about
saying what goes through, but it it does allow for solar to be installed on on landfill in the pylons. It is it is within the CNP. >> Okay. Because I'd hate to see all this start rolling and >> Yeah. No, it >> then gets to the point where they go, "Oh, no, you can't put it that way." and
you don't have a roof to put it on where we, you know, we did. >> I would think the difference where you are though is because you're in a preservation area, 28 acres to build, if you wanted to try to build out there. So, and the landfill is not in that.
>> So, I think I think the difference is actually it's specifically regulated to allow the land. >> Yeah. >> I just want you know I just wanted to put her in at their house, right? They're out in the preservation. The difference
in >> so I mean basically still be covered on that's that's what she's actually saying you know you could run into the situation. >> Yeah. We we have to submit a development application. Sorry. Go >> ahead. We have to submit a development
application of behalf of the city and we'll do that on day one meeting with them and go over those issues. >> Right. I mean that's just a question that popped into my head or when we went for the solar our whole plan was to put it in our field. We didn't want it on our roof and you know we went through
the whole thing and went to Pinelands they're like absolutely not and we wound up having to put it you know >> yeah we looked at a project up the road here in uh and 10 aced there's no brownfield at all and no way.
>> Yeah. Well, and this was brought up at the Pinelands. >> It was Yes, it was brought up at the Pineelands. We had the executive director there >> and she affirmed that it's in the comprehensive management plan for the Pineelands >> because it's the brown because it's landfills. Landfill there. They're encouraging people, us to close
landfills, cap landfills properly. And then um they have it in there that one of the uses after it's capped properly is solar field. And I can't guarantee that our lot wasn't a landfill at once because I can tell you the things that we've found in that lot. Let me tell you, we could talk for hours of what
we've found. >> Probably from the Indians. >> No, it was from the guy who lived there before. The Indians had oil filters. It was from the guy that lived there before us. But that's a whole another story. But thank you so You're welcome. And no, we have we the site is definitely
regulated by the finance, but it is with I said CP comprehensive management plan. It's in there. hear that do it's also was updated I'd like to take credit for this but our firm was heavily involved with finance 20 years ago just trying to get them to to acknowledge that it's permeable caps instead of these
impermanable caps were approved they did change when they did the last update to it they allowed for or equal and put in there what or equal >> and or equal means no sub if I'm paraphrasing or these are my own words but no significant degradation with the groundwater right or if there's a plume
state getting worse what the uh council president brought up, you know, is there anything that can happen to crowd? So, but there's a there's a long-term monitoring to be confident. So, and that's why the investigation up front is important and key. You have to get the right data to
prove the violence that it's appropriate safe checks public health the environment that you can do this kind of enclosure because although it's expensive it's less expensive than a imperial geom membrane at the top of >> anybody else with the question for Jeff
>> I have a question for council >> okay >> um where are we with the did we adopt the redevelopment plan for that. >> Just wrote that up. >> So, what's the next step that we have to accomplish? >> The point of development.
>> And how do we do that? >> Council can do it. >> The voter council would be a voter council designated redeveloper for the site and then from there it would be entering into um resolution and
agreements with the developer. >> Should we do that? Well, they Jerry said he wanted Chris to look over the the uh contract. >> You can appoint the redeveloper this evening and then the resolution in the agreement would be, you know, something that we work out.
>> Okay. Um is that something we want to do tonight? Do we want to point >> that motion? >> Dynamic site redevelopment as our purpose. >> You're making a motion. >> Second. >> Motion made in second.
Yes. something like this. We do a roll call. >> Yes. >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, >> yes. >> Paty, >> yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Wright,
>> yes. >> Thank you very much. We look forward to working with you. >> Thanks. >> Thank you, Jeff. I'll stay around. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Get one of those. >> Okay. Number 15 on the agenda is a
motion to approve Veterans Day program. >> Make a motion. >> 527 including the breakfast. >> Breaking bread. >> Breaking bread. >> Breakfast. It looks like >> the Lincoln Park. >> Yes. On October 25th. And you made the motion. M >> second. Second.
>> Motion made and seconded. All >> in favor? I >> opposed. >> Motion passes. >> Number 16, resolution authorizing us entering into a contract with Remington Bernick for planning and
design services for the citywide storm water management improvements. >> Motion. Second. Motion made. Seconded. Questions? Motion. Clark, that's >> yes.
>> Dovy, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, >> yes. >> Hessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Yep. >> Resolution passes. Okay. Number 17. Authorize the award of contract NJ DOT
FY24 municipal aid program reconstruction of Buffalo Avenue 4 and 500 blocks. Is there a motion? So moved. I second it. >> Motion being seconded. Questions. >> Question. >> Go ahead. >> Can we uh talk about how this is being funded?
>> Sure. >> Majority of the funding is um fiscal year 2024 municipal aid funding which is from Department of Transportation. >> They gave you a little less than $300,000. So it's most of the funding part. >> Yep. >> The rest of it.
>> Um >> Jody, this is 548. >> Yes. We had done um ordinance a couple years ago for like some parks I mean not parks for parking lots and roads and things like that. So we'll actually need to amend the ordinance a little bit.
There was there was a few different things in the ordinance. So we'll use more towards the roads from some of the others that >> is this already funded. So >> does this one include that part of Burger Street that we talked about? >> I think it goes through that
intersection. It's the four and 500 blocks. So that's included in this. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. Roll call, please. >> Yes. Clark, >> yes. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, >> yes. >> Pass, >> yes. >> Tener, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Wright,
>> yes. >> Resolution passes number 18. Resolution for dedication by Ryder Community Special Events. >> So moved. >> Motion made and seconded. Questions?
Roll call. >> Clark, >> yes. >> Sie, yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, yes. >> Pessie, >> yes. >> Kener, yes. >> Timbers, yes. Wright, >> yes. >> Resolution passes. Number 19. Resolution by Ryder for street opening fees. >> Is there a motion?
>> So motion. >> M. Motion made. Seconded. Questions. >> Bill. >> Clark. >> Yes. >> Dovy. >> Yes. >> Galloway. Yes. Yes. Hessie. >> Yes. >> Tener. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> Wright. Yes.
>> Resolution passes. Number 20. Resolution dedication by rider performance and maintenance guarantees. >> Is there a motion? >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. Questions? >> Roll call. >> Clark. >> Yes. >> Dovy? >> Yes.
>> Galloway? >> Yes. >> Heist? >> Yes. >> Pessie? >> Yes. >> Kenir? >> Yes. >> Timbers? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Resolution passes 21. Uh, dedication by writer tax sale premiums. Is there a motion? >> Second.
>> Motion made and seconded. >> Question. >> I have >> I do. I have a question. I just wanted to make sure this is the properties that were sold and the tax leans as well. Is that what this is? >> This is just a trust that those when the
when they have a tax sale that the premium would go into. >> So that's where that's when they're sold. So it's not leans as well. That must be for the premiums. >> Roll call. >> Thank you.
>> Clark, >> yes. >> Joy, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. Heist, >> yes. >> Pessie, >> yes. >> Kener, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Right. >> Yes. >> Resolution passes. Uh, number 22, resolution online auction. >> Second.
>> Second. >> Motion made, second questions. Roll call. >> Clark, >> yes. Soie, >> yes. Galloway. >> Yes. >> Heist. >> Yes. >> Passing. >> Yes. >> Kenir, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Ray, >> yes. >> Say something. >> Go ahead.
>> You could get a John Deere 325 tractor for $25. >> That's the minimum. I'm looking that up, but that's the minimum. >> Okay. Number 23 is a resolution on health reimbursement account plan for
non-union employees. >> Motion. >> Second. Motion made and seconded. Questions? Roll call. >> Clark, yes. Dovy, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, >> yes. >> Pass, >> yes. >> Kener, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Wright, >> yes.
>> Resolution passes. Number 25, uh, resolution authorizing the AC. Clover City Police Department to participate. >> Did I miss >> jump right? >> Okay. >> I know. I wanted to get to the police thing. All
right. Uh, resolution South Jersey Power Cooperative. >> Uh, co-op electricity award. >> So, second >> questions. Roll call. >> Clark, yes. >> Doby, yes. >> Galloway, yes. >> Heist, yes. >> Hess, yes. >> Yes.
>> Timbers, >> yes. Right. >> Yes. >> Resolution passes. Okay. Number 25. uh a Carver City Police Department participate in defense logistics agency to enable the police department to request and acquire excess
department of defense equipment. >> Move it. >> Second >> questions. All in favor? >> Opposed? Resolution passes. Number 26, the bill
list second made and seconded. Questions on the bill. Roll call, please. >> Clark, yes. Soie, >> yes. >> Galloway, yes. >> Heist, yes. >> Pessie, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Wright, >> yes.
>> Okay. Number 27. Comments. Mayor, >> just one quick thing. Jody, I I was speaking with a man in the park who doesn't live here necessarily, but watches our council meetings for some unknown reason, >> but he Okay. >> He has a complaint about the YouTube. I
don't know anything about it, but apparently you need a higher something to make it play because it's not playing correctly. It's buzzy thing. And when you look at what it is, like it has to be higher. If that helps. Does anybody
>> It's be a little blurry, but it's really just the way I think it comes through from Zoom without >> It's something about the >> resolution. I I can give you his >> You can do that yourself. >> I can give you his email if you want. You set that when you uploaded, >> right? >> You set the
>> Yeah, you set the longer to up. >> Not big deal. >> Well, people want to watch, you know, >> it is good, right? >> Now we have words, too. >> Oh, yeah. We had a resident request that
we add closed caption it for people who are hard of hearing. >> Working. I've been reading them as they go up there. humorous. >> We'll find out. It's >> not sure.
>> So that be like a transcript. >> Okay. Anything else, ma'am? >> No, that's right. Uh just a couple things. Um tomorrow night, Chief, just so you got a heads up and nobody calls the fire department on me again. Um, tomorrow is homecoming for Egg Harbor City. We will
be having a bonfire at the baseball field. No, I am not lighting the baseball field on fire public. It's a bonfire. Um, so please do not call 911, especially when I'm out there lining the field. Um, but just so everybody knows >> well. Another thing was last year all
the officers came out. They were playing football with all the kids and everything having a good old time. We had the bonfire. They were actually around the bonfire. police had to go and respond to something. So I let the bonfire kind of cool off while I was lying in the field with all the lights on. Somebody drives by. She's at the
field was on the fire. They called it. >> And then of course the officers had to come back. But >> cuz somebody called 911, they had even though they knew what it was, they still had to respond because of the 911 call. But >> bonfire probably k Well, homecomr starts at 700. I would say the bonfire would probably be around like
>> 8 8:30. I would have to guess. Does coino >> we put in a fire department? I don't set up. >> Oh, we got a permit. You're good. >> Yeah, we don't. >> Yeah, with the schedule. >> Anything else? M. >> Um, I don't think so. I'll let
Councilman Clark touch about anything else. The Halloween um trick-or-treating and all that stuff that we're going to be doing at Trunk Street. Well, Councilwoman Galloway, >> I'm just very excited to be moving forward with the landfill and solar um
energy for which will benefit all the residents of Ed Harper City. It might take a couple years to get there, but we're on the right path. >> Electric bill residents with we can't always reduce taxes, but we can help them with their electric bill. That that just
that's all. >> Okay. Council woman. >> Uh I just want to touch on I don't know if anybody's noticed uh I put up a flyer regarding the flowers on Main Street and the it was called the Lantana Digout
Challenge. Uh it came about because of a resident who wanted who uh was saying how beautiful the plants were at this point and they really wanted to dig some out themselves. So I checked to make sure it was okay with um the mayor as
well as um Jerry and it was fine with them. So we had a challenge and the reason that it was a challenge is because digging out those nana could be a problem as the mayor's husband could attest to from last year. So So that's
why it was called the challenge. I noticed on my way over here a few of the the pots had been the Fantana had been taken out. And thank you, Jerry, by the way. If you had did you put the um trash bins next to them? That was a good idea.
>> And um let's see if anyone had um taken them out, please let me know how you're doing with them. Uh respond on the Facebook post so we have an idea for next year. And that's all I have to Oh, there is one other thing I would like to say. While out there playing pickle
ball, there are many more people out there. I saw families out there. Uh the other day, my husband and I were out there and there was a gentleman with three young boys teaching them how to play. Although they had tennis rackets that was okay. And then there was um
what was there? Two two other children and their parents and their grandparents that were out there at the same time. So it it is getting used and I think it's wonderful to see them out there, you know. So that's all I have. >> Nobody out there barefoot.
>> No one No, no, no. >> Who knows? >> Roller and the skateboarders are using a lot more than the people playing. >> Oh, are they really? See, I haven't seen that. >> Oh, you say I'm not there every night. >> Know what time? >> Anywhere from 6:00 to 8:00 when I'm out there. >> Chief, may please please I have some
tear up. uh mention the lighting goes uh >> the lighting goes on too late so I guess the timer has to be >> I have a guy for >> okay >> oh you do >> I do you know
>> yep I already spoke with him about it >> and he said that it has to do with you know it's just sun up to sun down so >> yeah so really couldn't do a whole lot with it that's what I was So, >> and you know what? We've been out there
at that time and it it's a little little hard to see, but it's not that bad and it doesn't take that long really to come on. >> I heard that was an issue at the new park last night for the U movie. The lights came on and they couldn't see the
screen. Is that right, Chief? So, they had to turn the screen around. >> Yeah, that was >> No, >> it's too blank. Oh, >> so it was too bright to see the junction. >> So I have access to the irrigation time, but not necessarily. >> There's no off switch for the lights. >> Okay. So
it's it's a photo cell, right? >> Yes. There's a break. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Council woman. >> Um so this weekend is an exciting weekend for football. Uh we have Cedar
Creek tomorrow versus Holy Spirit. Um we Crusaders, we do have our homecoming uh bonfire and also an opportunity to watch all of our levels of cheer do their halftime routine and recognize our eighth graders. Uh Sunday we have our homecoming game and family day where all
of the families both for cheer and football get recognized before each game. Uh games like uh Councilman Wright uh mentioned start at 10:00 a.m. on Sunday. Uh we hopefully will have some breakfast specials um for that day. So please come out. >> Breakfast. No breakfast. >> No breakfast. >> No breakfast.
>> A man. >> Just because we don't have another Sunday game and only other time we will be able to sell it is if we did it at the cheer fest. >> The first is Oh, never mind. The first Saturday. >> Um so we have homecoming and family day
on the 28th starting at 10:00. Um and also trunk or treat. We are taking applications uh for participants. It is a free event both for uh trunk-reers and for trunks. Uh that is going to be on Saturday the 25th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. And if you have any questions, please
feel free to email me lean green crusaders@gmail.com or uh come to the field and speak with me. And that's all. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. Um just a quick reminder that Saturday and Sunday is the
MS bike run coming through town. Um every year there's one or two that complain that they can't get out of the driveway, they can't get down the road. You have to go. Please leave early. It's a once a year event and it's for a very
very very good cause. So leave early and remember and thank God that you're not the one suffering with MS. and smile and just drive a little more those two days or just stay home and enjoy your yard. That's what I'm going
to do and that's all. >> Thank you, Councilman Dy. >> I don't have anything. >> Councilman Timbers, >> I wanted to say is um there's football tonight and it wasn't
mentioned that one of Cedar Creek's graduates is actually playing. So when you guys get home, turn your dials to whatever channel it is, you know, and uh to support uh Cedar Creek doing well.
>> Max. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh I don't have anything to add. Is there from the audience that wish to be heard? Okay. Mary To start with, it was very difficult for me to come tonight for a variety of
reasons and perhaps even a little fearsome. Um, but the past two weeks I've had several people including asking me to be here tonight to present stuff.
Uh, but I also have to clarify when I was here last night talked about the person that was struck on Buffalo and the White Horse Pike, I was mistaken in thinking that the person that was giving me that
information had seen it online. I was wrong. They were Ashman physically present. They were there. She told me she had spoken to some of a carpet city officers. um and a administrator or supervisor
from the uh voting agency on Atlantic Avenue was also so I wanted to correct my mistake that that person was up close and personal with that. But that person approached me again
a couple days ago and said, "What the city council tell you they're going to do about it?" And I said, Hey, maybe I should run for polo office and not be committed. Never. Anyway, but she said, "Well, will you go back and
tell them?" Because here's the gist of what she was bringing to me, and of course, anyone that knows me knows that agreement. Say, "Think what can be done to make it more safe." This is her
suggestion as well. didn't make sense to me and I do excuse me I do know a white horse pikes state road but the gist was can somebody appeal to the New Jersey Department of Transportation and perhaps add flashing
lights on the pedestrian signs you know the ones that say there's a crossing here like my word hey stupid people there's probably going to be people on the street and I No, pedestrians are not a
popular cause, but guess what? People walk. People have to cross streets and lo the wife's bike. And sometimes the idea of, hey, add a block or two in your journey to go to Philadelphia or St.
Louis for the light. Well, for someone who's able-bodied or is not pushing a stroller or having kids, that might be a suggestion to add to their difficulty in their journey of being pedestrian. But people go across
the street. And I think everything possible should be approached, considered, asked for, begged for, pleaded for. And then if the powers that be say we don't give a damn.
Okay. But you all know my stance. But I'm very thankful that hey, I'm not the only one as that woman who has had that accident. And this is the second or third time the last two weeks she's
asked to me and she doesn't live in this town to say what is going to be done. So, I'm presenting at least that suggestion, but and I know with all the solar stuff, it probably wouldn't cost
anything to put those flashing lights cuz batteries are But anyway, please try to do something. And it is a 1 billion% fallacy to think that crossing the pike
at the light of Philadelphia or St. Lewis is much safer. My god, I'm in more danger crossing Philadelphia Avenue with all the safety because nobody gives a damn. They just ignore it all. Red
lights, no turn. Nothing matters. And all I'm saying, and I mean that's nobody's here fault. That's just the stupid people driving that don't give a damn about people. And I have to say I've lived
I forgot Mary. I've lived there for seven years now. I've lived in a harbor moment as I've lived anywhere was was this year a little over 21
years. The hardest time I have walking around this town and all that time I've had the handicap is crossing the streets from my home up through and across the White Horse Pike than when I lived for
15 years on St. Louis Avenue. And I'll stop that part like this. To my recollection, I haven't seen one for a long time. The New Jerseys driver manual, motor vehicle manual states that every cross
intersection is considered to obey crosswalk laws whether there's any painting or signage. In other words, stop your car. And as I had to educate, stop doesn't
mean the wheels go around slowly. But anyway, so But it did help me personally to know that I'm not the only one because I often feel like that when I bring these >> well Mary we can definitely talk to the
state dot about that and >> I do appreciate that but that was also a suggestion and realize a lot a lot has been done to that area and I I've been appreciative of it now it would definitely unwise for me with my
handicap to even try But people are allowed to cross the street and I do appreciate that there has been stuff done but and I don't know that there can be much more but I just wanted to present perhaps
that idea of >> flashing lights you know because it's sort of like as I wear my vest people say does that make you safer? I said no and more often than not it makes me a better target but it takes away quote your excuse to say you didn't see me. So the next time
somebody's hit crossing the street, maybe they can say, "Hey, there's flashing lights in the door." But anyway, so so much for that, >> Mary. Just so you know, I spoke with Ryan and with Jerry about this. I was driving through Berlin and saw exactly
what you were talking about. Okay. >> And uh they are looking into it. Just >> Thank you. I I do appreciate that and thank you. I do really appreciate it. Just as a sign of my sister lives in uh where Burlington County and when I've been around there their stop signs had
these those soon as you get close. >> Anyway, so you all know it's my passion but it's also somebody else's and I had company for three days last week
from a state roughly 1,200 miles away. So, we had at least a dozen excursions from turning off the Philadelphia Avenue onto camp to get it in Renberg. Quoting him, "What the hell's going on with all these cars? I can't drive down the
street." Meaning, as I've said before, the ones that are parked and I said, and I said it, I said, "Look, they did paint the yellow lines," which by the way are ignored. Completely ignored. Well, I should say completely often ignored. And I said, "Look, they did do
his quote." Not enough. He said, "They should." He said, "But he said where he's from, that's the normal illegal parking spot. So even if you didn't paint it, you weren't allowed to park there. He's not the only man that has
said this to me the last two weeks. It should be farther down. It's not working. So I'm just presenting. >> I'm just presenting." And the final thing, um, I don't think I've ever had this in
my I was going somewhere, you know, you know, someone was driving me and, uh, it was the, uh, when the school was starting, you know, opening up. Oh my lordy. With people letting people
off on both sides of the street, stopping in the middle of the street, not knowing where to go, you couldn't go for them. People were coming up this way everybody. I don't know. But here's an idea. Maybe make school drop off only on one side of the state. Maybe the side
that school's on. >> That's been an issue for 20ome years. >> Okay. >> The whole curve. >> I've never experienced it before. I was like just couldn't get around >> and and she asked me, "Hey, would you
present?" So I presented. So thank you. But it makes me personally feel better to know that that other that people have the same concerns I do, >> especially the ones from,200 miles away,
>> you know. >> It makes me feel a little less crazy than I normally do when other people think. >> But thank you. >> Will I present it? >> We're working on it. have any hopefully never have to present these spots again.
But thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard? >> Anyone else? >> Motion to make a motion. >> Second motion made second. All in favor?
>> I have a few totally