Ready. >> Thank you. >> Please stand for the flag to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for it standice for all.
I'd like to call the March 12th, 2026 meeting of a Carver City Council to order. In compliance with the open public meetings act, the state of New Jersey, adequate notice of this meeting of a carver city council was provided in the following manner. It's posted on the
AC Carver city bulletin board. It was posted on the AC Carver city website and notices were sent to the Hamilton Gazette and the press of Atlantic City. All please. >> Mayor Jetti. >> Dovy >> here.
>> Galloway. >> Yes. >> Heist >> here. >> Hessie. >> Yes. >> Kenir >> here. >> Ortiz >> here. >> Sen >> here. >> Timbers >> here. >> Wright. >> Yes. >> Okay. Number four is public comment on
agenda items only. Is there anybody here that would like to speak on any agenda items? Seeing none, we'll go to uh number five, which is approve the minutes. >> Make the motion second. >> February 26th. Motion made and second.
All in favor? >> Opposed? Motion passes. U no mayor tonight. Uh she had a prior commitment that she had to be at. And uh we'll start with >> say the inductees to the um honor
society at Cedar Creek. >> Honor Society at Cedar Creek. Okay. And we'll start with the committee. Um, Mason, would you want to >> Yes. Jerry, can you hear me? >> Yes. Can you hear me?
>> I just got your email today. >> To if you want me to go over it, I can, but it's a >> I kind of went over it. I mean, Jeremy here today from the skate park. Um, >> okay. I know that there's a first step that you wanted to get done and I was just wondering if that's something that
we can attempt tonight or >> Sure. >> get the ball rolling. Le >> let's give it a shot. Um Mason, if you guys if you want to bring it up. >> Okay. I guess we got to reverse basically basically get a vote on whether or not the council wants a skate
park and then basically basically out of the two areas link park and next to the uh >> uh DP building. Yeah. >> So, basic >> to basically bring up about the um we've been talking about for the last few
years about the skate park coming to the public city. >> Well, be before we do that, the call for another uh we do have our risk management. >> Okay. Insurance, >> okay, >> guy here. And uh John, would you come up? >> John D. Austinino is our risk manager
>> here. and uh he's here to answer any questions, >> okay, >> that anybody has pertaining to the skate park >> and Jason's also here runs the whole fundraiser. >> Great. Excuse me. We're here a lot of questions. >> We're here for that too. We would like
to comment also >> the three of us. Okay. >> Thank you. >> No problem. >> I don't think we're all right. Uh first of all uh John do you have anything that you can uh start off with and tell us what your thoughts
are? I think it started last year and what I did I went to the statewide insurance fund where you have your insurance and I just asked them if they could give us some guidelines >> which they did. We sent this off to I'm not sure if everybody saw it. I know the
safety committee saw it. >> I know the [clears throat] administrator saw it. I I distribute it, John. I did distribute it to everyone. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah. >> So, well, I guess first, you know, I'm a risk manager, so the what you have to
understand is um the first thing I look at is risk avoidance. So, naturally, that would be just don't do it. >> [clears throat] >> But that being said, often people want to do things that I think would not be of best interest as
far as liability. Statewide gives us rules um or should say rules, guidelines to make it make sure that the city is protected and the public is protected. So, I'm [clears throat] not saying
risk manager says no, but if it's a yes, then we should follow the guidelines and make sure we're doing it the right way so that all of the citizens are going to be protected. The
earlier this year, uh, we saw our go 11%. because the five-year loss ratio of the Cydia has been elevated. Um already this year we're probably looking at a dozen claims um in
March. If we follow these guidelines, we're protecting. I just have to I have to tell you that these some of these things are when I read them, I'm saying I don't know how that's going to work. So
[clears throat] what the strip might ask is that a architect designs it [clears throat] >> not ours. >> Um they ask that a company that builds these
>> um actually installs it. Now in fact years ago I remember building parts parents all got together and just did it. Unfortunately, liability those days are done. So, [clears throat]
if it's designed by an architect, it's installed by a company who makes it, then a couple of things that uh are very easy. You have to put a a signage.
One of the things that I I believe would be difficult, they asked that a waiver is formed signed. Now, I don't know some of the people that are here if I don't know if if other towns are doing that. Um,
statewide ask that you sign a waiver, which I above 18, you would have to have parents sign it for for minors. They like to say it, supervise.
I've seen this in in larger municipalities that have a lot more manpower that um that isn't as difficult. Uh but the doesn't have to be none of these things have to be done. This is what they're telling you. Good.
>> That was my question next. But it doesn't have to be supervised. >> Doesn't have to be supervised. You don't have to put up signs. >> You could build it yourself. is just what they're doing is is saying how you minimize the risk so that the claims
[snorts] second part of risk management is risk transfer. So by having an architect do it the the design and having a company install it rather than have a Harbor City employees install it. You're transferring the
risk. >> Correct. So we would [clears throat] like to see as much risk transfer as possible. So the architect now the signage [clears throat] it's easy. Anybody um
can throw those up. They like to they request that you have periodic inspections. So, it's it could be as simple as a daily walk through and just see has
anything come loose? Has anything broken? Is is there any sharp edges that weren't there yesterday? Um, so you could take care of any of the things that are obvious immediately. I don't know what you what you would
plan as far as times. I have seen two things. I've seen one where um certain time it gets locked. I also saw a municipality that I represent have have someone climb over the fence because it was locked. So that's it's a two-way
street. It to me if you're going to do it um [clears throat] the prudent thing would be to lock it. If somebody falls from a 20 foot height because it was locked, we're going to say why did we put a lock on the thing? you could have just let
them go in and and they wouldn't have gotten hurt. Um some of the things I've seen um it was being used by other than its design purpose. So um I believe you're looking at just a skateboard.
So we have seen for example in some of the municipalities where um [clears throat] it looked really attractive for a bicycle too, you know. So figure I'll [clears throat] go in there. That's where the supervision comes in. I don't
know um how you how you stop. Um I know if I was riding by the place of I would think it's a good idea to try one of those zones. >> A lot of skateparks have signage on it though that say no bicycles, no roller blading, no this that, no that. >> Yes. >> So the risk would technically be again
in the person's >> Well, they would the person doing that. But if it's um if if it's enforced, so are are the police going to be monitoring it? Are they going to be riding by and saying, "Wait, there's a
bicycle going on there. I got to got to get them off." Uh but as I said, all of this stuff is doable. It's it's just how much work and how much um how many of these steps you can put in place to make it safer.
So, [clears throat] >> I'll have I don't know if anybody has any other questions with the with the insurance, but >> I just have a comment. One of the things that I I think we talked about a long time ago >> was um I always growing up used to skate
on the Acro City Lake. >> And everybody did. We actually had bonfires out in the middle of the lake and skated around it. And um over time because of these type of things that that kind of thing went away
and not that we can't do it but it puts the city at a really high risk tolerance and I I think that's kind of the same thing they're saying here. Yeah. I I I not this municipality, but I uh at
another municipality, I said, "I would like to see you sell [clears throat] all of the vehicles, fire all the employees, get rid of all the buildings, and I'll have a year where we have no claims. [laughter] That's not realistic, and I and I
understand it." So, in my heart, I say, "No, this is a bad idea, but I know that you you may want to do it." And then let's take as many safety steps as we can. But if you said risk management
101, I'd say have somebody form an LLC. Donate the land to them. Let the LLC do this and Carper City's off. They don't have any risk at all. >> But that's John Decino's world. That's I
I see somebody else have it. >> Let them have that. Let them have the get all the glory. It's John's LLC and look what they're doing for the kids. >> What happens at What happens at Crusaders and Derek? Somebody gets hurt there. >> They have their own insurance.
>> I have my own insurance. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah, they're covered. They're covered and they're a legit LLC or 501c3. >> Yes. >> You guys are 510, correct? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Mhm. So, let's say let's say there's
>> and let's say there's a swing >> and you have a 5-year-old who swings on a swing and they want to go as high as they they can >> and they and they go high enough and they fall off the swing. >> Mhm. >> Right. Um would the municipality have
more liability if they were not manning it? it was just a swing or if they had a personnel who was there standing there little kid on a swing and and a kid now falls off the swing. I would think there may be more liability potentially if you
are manning it because the second the person is not manning it and a kid uses the swing and falls now you've made a swing >> u an issue of liability that would may not have been. So that's my concern. If we were to say, okay, well, you have to
have someone who is going to supervise [clears throat] people using a skate park, which is honestly the way these things are built, they're like it's it's like a something could be as as
the height of like a couple bones but long, and someone just kind of goes off and grinds on it. Just a piece of metal, >> right? But someone who's not a good skater could go off of that and just fall. >> Yeah. >> Most u most of the injuries or the first
time user um borrows it has no idea. Once people get used to using them they're they're safe. It's just that um but most skateboarding is just hey let me try it. >> I got a question. >> Yeah.
>> Now you have a kid that's skateboarding nowadays hurt. Who's laughing? >> Yeah. Well, it could be. >> But there's no difference whether they fall off on the sidewalk or they fall off in a park. >> It's no different. The difference is no different than the tennis court, the
pickle ball court. >> Get hurt playing tennis. Get hurt playing basketball. >> Might be. You asked what a risk. >> Yeah. No, I risk. But if someone I think the sidewalks I believe we have a sidewalk ordinance that the sidewalk
belongs to the homeowner. Mhm. [clears throat] >> So we transfer that risk. >> Okay. What if they fall off another road? >> But if they if they fall in the in the park or uh in the road. Yes. And we have liability and we and we pay.
>> So you're saying if it's sanctioned by the city, >> then there's more liability that way. >> We pick up the if they fall on my sidewalk in front of my house, >> they they're going to sue me. It's going to be >> my insurance. So we've transferred that
risk to >> not in New Jersey. >> The home, >> not the way it works in New Jersey. New Jersey municipality can pass ordinances requiring people to to remove snow from their sidewalks to repair the sidewalks. But but typically if someone were to fall on a sidewalk, the only way you can
kind of transfer liability if it's a commercial property, but if it's residential property, municipality tends to eat it. >> We So I mean, insurance companies do not have to pay. >> We've actually won that case where it was a The person fell at a home and they
went after the city years ago. Um, but they went after the city and we actually did win that because of the sidewalk ordinance that >> we weren't responsible for the >> now that that's probably going back 20
years ago. U I think Yeah, it's probably at least 20 years ago. >> You were a teenager then. I have yeah I suppos I started >> but the the question I asked before was that the more control that municipality takes as far as um monitoring.
>> Yeah. Well supervisor that the what they're doing there is they want supervisor that's going to make sure that they signed a waiver. That was where that was tying in. They wanted it supervised. They want to make sure like we had said like no bikes you know
nobody's your sign [clears throat] says that but doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The supervisor idea they have here is that everybody signs a a waiver if it's a minor their parents signed a waiver
and as long as there's a waiver go ahead. >> But what is what does the waiver cover if if they were to sign a waiver? My question is is if they sign the waiver and let's say that there was a signage on the front of the skateboard part and there's a QR code on it that says scan
here to sign waiver >> they hit it gives a time stamp and when they did it they go they go skate and they >> 45 minutes after that and then they go oh well I fell and then it turns out the person didn't sign it and then they try to do it last minute. Well you just fell
and you can somewhat prove that they didn't sign it. They just try to do it last second after they fell. I'm sure there, you know. Yeah. >> So, they follow it. But what And what my question is though is what does the waiver cover though that it would need supervision there
>> because I mean with the waivers is a read. I'm fully aware of the fact there are special dangers and risk in her in the activity of skateboarding including the risk of serious physical injury, death or other consequences that may arise or result directly or
indirectly from skateboarding. being fully informed as this [clears throat] as to these risks and in consideration of being allowed to participate in city skateboarding activities and or use of city facilities. I hereby assume all risk of injury, damage and liability
arising out of such activities or use and hereby release the city, its officials, >> right? prison and >> of the right of recovery that I might
have to bring claim or lawsuit against them for any personal injury, death, or other consequences um occurring, >> you know. Yeah, I I think your issue with the waiver, I mean, it's it's a good point. Like if somebody's not there to monitor it, nobody's going to sign a
waiver. And I don't think 16-y old kids are going to show up with their parents to sign a waiver to get into the skate park either. So, I'm not 100% sure that, you know, that a waiver is really feasible. Um, unless you're gonna unless you're going to staff it. Um, I think
the staffing, not only to have wafers signed, but also to make sure that the that the skate park is being used appropriately, um, is your defense against if you don't have anybody there. If you don't have anybody there and people are using the skate book
inappropriately, you know, you're going to be potentially liable for the fact that you weren't uh you know, you you knew it was an inherent risk and you didn't do anything to protect it. It' be like having a it's a not a great example because the
risks are much more dangerous in a city pool, but it's a city pool without lifeguards, right? And that would be like, oh, you just leave the gates open and everybody can come in and swim, right? swim at your own risk and you know um you can see the liability there. Um tour claims act would still protect the city um for some of the for some of
the potential liabilities but to your point if you're you need to inspect it because if you're not inspecting it and there is you know one of the pieces is deficient and there's been complaints about it you know that would trigger liability or sharp edges that have been ground down for whatever reason. So, you
know, but but I think to uh Councilman Wright's point earlier, you know, swings and playgrounds are inherently risky as well and people get hurt playing pickle ball and things like that. So, you know, it's an amenity that if if council were
to move forward with it, um the risk manager's point is there's things you can do to minimize your risk because it's naive to think that there's not going to be some sort of accident or injury at that amenity regardless of whatever the amenity is. Um so, how do
you give yourself the best chance to be protected by tour claims act or something like that where you can avoid liability, you know? Now, if they if they this group that wants to do this, if they created an LLC and had their own insurance that would release the city
from any kind of liability, >> you'd have to to the point earlier, I mean, you couldn't own the property either. If you own the property, then you're still going to be you're still going to be potentially on the hook against the property. >> If the property gets leased to the entity, >> it it depends. I mean the devil will be
in the details on how the lease is written but potentially I mean you can be indemnified under the lease presumably >> because well how how would that work with the Cassadersville because Cassadersville is technically or key record is technically leased out to the city but we have our own insurance so insurance. Yeah. >> So but that's
>> your insurance probably indemnifies the city from any injury that occurs during that time. >> But what would that be the same thing as if we least >> Well, that's what I said like devils in the deep. It depends how sort of >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> Yeah. If in other words, it's going to
be how you word it. If he if he words it then there but >> do Excuse me. Do they have different ratings for the different activities of how risky they are? >> No, they don't. >> There are no ratings for the different activities. >> They're not even they're not even going
to raise your rates. out that the only the only thing is the claims or what winds up raising the rates. >> Yeah. So, if you get a whole bunch of claims next year, the rates will go up because of that. >> If you get if you build it and there's zero claims,
there's no there's no change at all. >> Okay. So, >> yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, then if the skate park can be created through an LLC, whether the land is bought by the entity or leased by the entity,
why would we not do it that way? >> Well, that just seems like the thing that would make sense. That way, we get to have a skate park and the city is off the hook if anything happened. >> So, >> right. Or is that simplifying it too much? I'm just trying. So, so the issue
the issue is that majority these companies that build skate once they build it they basically are it's something that they're they raise the funds for it but they are then giving it to they do not want to stay and and be
on the hook for for for um long-term maintenance or ensuring it. They're not going to want to. I mean, if the gentleman is here, >> but that would be their responsibility. >> Before we go to him, >> you want them to take our responsibility. He's not going to
>> speak to that. >> Before you go to that, uh, I think our administrator had some comments on this, too. And I should put you first, Jerry. I'm sorry. >> I No, that's okay. So, I wanted to make sure that that um we respected John's time. So, John has already been to city hall earlier today. So, this is his
second visit. and I appreciate he only lives close by, but I appreciate him coming by and and nobody's going to be able to explain um shifting the liability better than John. So, let's put it let's put it that way, right? So, I I have questions that I provided
everyone. Um and if you didn't get a copy, please let me know. But, uh Jody, I'm going to share the screen. Um okay. >> So, I can put this up. [sighs and clears throat] Okay. So,
>> so, so this was uh basically the outline of a presentation that um I'm doing right now. So, it's not really a prepared presentation and I wanted to make sure. Can you see it? >> Yep. [clears throat] >> Not yet.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Hold on. >> Questions? >> I can see it. Your skate park was sent out at five o'clock. >> It was. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah. [clears throat] >> Until today. >> That's why That's why you did it.
>> Yeah. But at five o'clock. Like wouldn't it be here? >> No. No. I I didn't I didn't expect anyone to see it. I just want to make sure that if you didn't get it, I can send it to you tomorrow again. But I I have it up here, Donna, as a as a share. So, let me let me just try to share this again.
Uh let's go back to Zoom. share. How about now? >> Not yet. >> There it is. We got it. >> Okay, good. So, so uh the questions I I I shared um the question I asked the committee and then copied uh blind
copied everyone else is um council will need to pick the location of the park. If you recall from the last meeting and even the prior meeting, uh Lincoln Park, um and Ryan will um confirm this, uh is a super fun site. So, Lincoln Park may
not be the location, um that a new park gets built. We have a park there. Um but at some point, we will be using state or federal money to clean up that super fund site. uh when we go through the entire process that we're currently in with trying to get all the brownfields
and super fund sites identified in the city. So I really think that the only location that is in play is the second location which is the Buffalo Avenue location across from Philadelphia Village behind DPW. So So at some point um my point is
council will have to vote on a location to move forward. But before we move forward, I need to identify or I need to I need to ask council to identify a funding source, right? I understand that there has been conversation about fundraising and that's great. I I mean,
I appreciate everybody who volunteers and fundraises, but in order to undertake something like this, and like I said, I want to appreciate John because he couldn't I couldn't do what John just did or what John can do. But there are um there are decisions that
council has to make regarding what funding source are we going to use to pay the engineer, to pay the architect, to pay the attorney, and to pay the builder who builds this thing. Are are we paying for all the professionals ourselves or will the skate park group place money in escrow to be able to pay
for all of that? Right? So, I have some basic numbers that I'm just kind of spitballing here, but an engineer for permitting and and drainage design is at least $40,000. An architect could be 15. Attorneys, I don't there's just an agreement, so there's a little bit of
money there, but then we're looking at a 200 to maybe $300,000 skate park um based on how it gets designed. I understand that they may be well, we could do it cheaper and all of that stuff. I get all of that, but I'm just looking at some of the potential costs.
Number three, will there >> that's actually an important point, too, because >> yeah, >> you're going to do it on the idea that you donate the land and somebody does it as an LLC. And I don't know if that's the plan, but that was one of the options that was thrown out. If it's
done pursuant to if it's if even if it's leased and it's still city property, >> you're governed by uh local public contracts law. to go through the valing wage and everything like that. >> Correct. >> Is going to be you know >> much higher cost for us than anyone else
truthfully. >> Finish his point. >> Yeah. Finish. >> Yeah. It won't be it won't take long. Number three. So the question and I think it was already raised. Is this going to be a crusader or K-RC type relationship where the skatepark becomes a 501c3 and provides annual insurance
which as John you know explained um you know our our our wellestablished outside groups uh youth sport groups have their own insurance and we not only request that annually but we review it annually John reviews it annually to make sure
that it's current and it's appropriate. Number four is if the skatepark is at your own risk, will our attorney or risk manager develop rules and regulations for the users? That's probably a a yes question. Uh but if not, and then who does that? Number five, who be
responsible for safety inspections? Will it be a city employee? Will it be a volunteer? I'm not sure if we can get away with having a volunteer do it. Uh so it would probably have to be a city employee. Number six, is there a plan if and when we have to decommission or close this and it becomes either unruly
or vandalism occurs? As everyone can see or maybe has seen and hopefully has not seen, but there's a lot of uh tagging and there's a lot of um uh spray painting at the better built doors where the impromptu skate park was built. um
that could be argued um like it's uh you know art and and street art and all of that stuff, but typically if there's vandalism or if there's tagging at a park um someone will find out. They will call us. They will get in touch with the
mayor or me or someone and tell us to go clean it up. And so when that happens, who's responsible for that vandalism? The last thing is, and I think we kind of touched on it, but not necessarily. Well, parents need to be present when kids use the park. If not, how do we prevent, and I hate to bring this up,
but but how do we prevent groomers or other persons with with uh intent to harm underage users? How do we prevent that from happening? Um, do we put cameras here? Is it something that gets locked after a certain amount? So, so really what I'm trying to stress is
there so many questions that it's just not something where we can we can say, okay, you know, I vote and I second the vote to build a skate park. There's a lot involved here. Typically, when we build a park, a funding source has
already been found. Either we have um a grant or we have um Ryan or Jod or someone or our grant writers, Triad, find additional money to do that. We're not undertaking anything. The reason we rebuilt the Winberg building and the
reason we rebuilt the uh tennis courts with pickle ball is because of the um water department sales, right? We had money in place to do that. We're talking about building something that could cost several hundred,000 without a penny in place yet. And so I just want to not put
the cart before the horse and kind of really bring this down and focus on this. Now, like I've said to council, I've got a couple of months where I'm doing a special project, so there's some time to talk about it, but these are really the my most concerning questions, and that's because I'm not a risk
manager and I'm not an attorney. I'm going to share >> Jerry, would there be a number nine? Uh, Pinelands would pine. >> Yeah. So, that's that's in the number with the with um the engineer. >> Okay. >> It would be permitting. permitting would be would be something where we could
probably get it approved over a 12 to 18month period, but there would have to be drainage. And Ryan, I don't think you should bring up the fact that Pinelands and Ryan don't get along with drainage right now, but but they don't get along with drainage. So,
>> yeah, hold on one second. Um, y'all, 80% of these questions were answered at the meeting that we had. you remember >> they they were answered at the park committee meeting. I'm not sure if they were ever discussed or asked of council >> question. So that's I'm saying that like
80% of them were answered, but I did bring Jason and Jeremy a bro here to answer all those questions. >> Yeah, >> which I could do quickly and easily. >> Why don't we call you up? >> Yeah, thank you. Would you mind pulling those questions back up on the screen? >> Oh yeah, I can do that. Yeah, hold on. Hold on.
>> Let me get that. >> Thank you, sir. Just to give everybody a little >> just to give you guys a little bit of background about myself. I run Skate AC1C3. Uh we built both skateboard parks in
Atlantic City. We have a a really good record over there as far as having zero injury uh zero lawsuits, excuse me. Um and you can look the statistics up for yourself. There's over 90 public skateboard parks in the state of New Jersey. Most years there are zero
lawsuits. Every once in a while you'll get one where they stopped paying attention to the park and a ramp fell apart and maybe somebody got hurt. So that is like the number one. If you got any liability claims, it would be because of not taking care of the park,
which we, you know, our whole community is constantly monitoring. That's why you've had the park over there for so many years. Skaters want to skate things that are good and our community cares about this stuff. We want the kids to have somewhere to go and the community to have somewhere to go. And you know, I
know it's easy to look at these things as a liability, but you might not get sued, but there is a liability if you don't give the youth somewhere to go. You have the highest depression, obesity, addiction rates amongst the youth that you've had in recorded
history right now for this generation. So that's why we advocate for this. Um, and if you look up the facts of what's in New Jersey, I really would recommend calling Jersey City Bayon, um, you have multiple parks in these much larger
communities where there are no lawsuits. They're open to the public. There's no waiverss. The signs are posted just like basketball courts, football courts, and I purposely designed what are called lowcost, low impact parks. So they are less of like humongous ramps that you
would see on the X Games, more of like a driveway ramp you would see in your driveway or a curb you would see out front of your house. These are for kids to learn on to be safe um and to prevent injury. I've been doing this for 25 years as a skateboarder. So I know how to develop these things so that the
injury rates are not there. Um we've got the questions up here so I'll go through them. >> Can you see them? You okay with Yeah. You want me to make it bigger? Does this thing come? Can I take this off? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, number one, uh, you'll need to choose
the location. >> Number two, what funding source? Uh, we would pay for everything. My business partner on the nonprofit is Bob Marley's son and Lauren Hill's husband. So, funds. They have millions of followers
and massive support base. Um, his name is Rohan Marley. We have uh let's see number three will crusader key park group. We are 501c3. Uh if we had to do the insurance for the first year, we could look up the cost
just so that you guys could see that there are no lawsuits around something like this. I'd rather not, but I'm confident that you're not going to have those issues. And just so you guys know, you can also look it up. Pickle ball has just as high injury rates as skateboard parks. Nobody ever asked these questions
uh when it comes to pickle ball and uh it's because the you know rates of the people who are doing it are a lot older and they're actually more likely to swim um because kids are just there to have fun and then you have uh park would be at your home risk number
four. So the rules and regulations we did work on that together. Uh obviously our parks in Atlantic City one of them has cameras on it station. So constantly, you know, watching over who's using it. Um the safety
inspections are the skaters and the community themselves. We will constantly be there to advocate for a safe space as we do in Atlantic City at both of our parks. If there's ever a crack that, you know, emerges and needs to be filled, we'll go there immediately and make sure
that it's safe. Um, is there a plan for decommissioning or closing if the use becomes unruly when vandalism occurs? I mean, uh, we go and paint over or any vandalism at our skate parks in Atlantic City. So, we could run the same type of
thing here. We advocate against it. Wherever there's youth congregating, sometimes you do have some vandalism. That's, you know, if you look at New York City, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, when you build safe spaces for kids to go, you will get a little bit of
graffiti, that just means you're doing your job and giving the children somewhere to go. Let them paint over that. But that's actually a sign half the time that you're getting them off the streets and giving them somewhere where they feel welcome. So, you know, I've talked uh here before and you don't
do this, you're letting youth become trespassers and uh you know, labeled as loiterers and making them feel unwelcome and rejected by the community, which they are future. So, I don't think that's a good plan and creates liabilities and other ways long term.
Who will be responsible for the pair will take on that? And uh will parents need to be present? You know, it's definitely something you could put on the signage and advocate for. Um, this one about the groomers, you could have that at any park where there's any sport
or any playground. That's kind of a weird question, but uh I would say that we will be pleasing on, >> right? So, so this so, so this is it looks like and I'm just going to highlight it or try to highlight it, but
it looks like what you're talking about is the same relationship we have with the Crusaders where they have a 501c3. They're certified and then they give us annual insurance submission. They one of the requirements is that they have. So,
it really seems like the um the skate park group would potentially be similar to the Crusaders where it's city leased. Uh Mason, I don't know how much how much do we we don't get anything from the Crusaders. I don't know if we get I don't know if we get any money from the Crusaders. I'm not really sure.
>> I don't know. I think it was like a dollar. I think >> Yeah, it might be something nominal, which is which is probably Yeah, it's very super. Yeah. So that's not I'm not the but but it looks like that the the the group I don't know who the gentleman is. I'm sorry I can't see you.
So I don't know who the >> Jason. Is it Jason up there? >> Yes sir. >> Okay. So, uh, so it seems like you're talking as if it would be potentially city property leased to the 501c3
and then a skate park would be built under the 501c3 and the 501c3 would take on the liability of it. Um, that's also another option that was something that our risk manager even discussed, right? You know, just a few minutes ago. So the
the concern of cost uh typically uh isn't it's not going to be a concern of mine because everyone's going to take on the cost. So I'm not a decision maker. I'm the guy I'm the operations guy. So you really have to convince council that
a skate park run by the 501c3 similar to the crusaders on leased city land with annual insurance uh requirements satisfied to our risk manager. I think that could be a path forward. I don't I don't see uh I don't see a problem with that, but I said like I said, I don't
make the decisions. I don't make the vote. That's council members and you're looking at them up on the deis. >> Mr. Claus, one of Mr. Claus, one of the things that you mentioned um was maintenance. >> Yes. >> Um I remember love park in Philadelphia. >> Yeah.
>> Um they couldn't keep the skate skateboarders out of there, >> right? And I think the liability comes down to your maintenance and inspection records versus assumption of risk. So with something like this, if it's going to be important that the city
that there's some type of program for maintenance and inspection. >> Sure. >> If you guys were doing the maintenance and inspection, that would still have to be somehow coordinated and and overseen by the city. >> Sure. part of what you do. Do you educate the
city on how to inspect and maintain? >> Of course, the parks. >> Yeah. Um it's pretty basic stuff, you know, they're just curbs and ramps and things and it's concrete. So, you would really notice if there was a massive issue, it basically be a hole or
something would form in the ground. Um, you know, um and Love Park, for the record, was not ever a skateboard park. It was just >> No, not a district. Yeah. They didn't want skateboard them out. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And they're actually building a skateboard plaza in
Center City Philadelphia that I was a part of the group advocating for that opens up in April outside of city hall uh with the help of Vans. Um so, you know, the tides have shifted. This has always been the issue is that people are always scared because a lot of times,
you know, respectfully, it's older people making the decision on whether or not be um built and they just assume kids are going to fall on their head and call their parents and get a lawyer. But that is just historically not what happens there. Like I said, there are 90s something skateboard parks in the
state of New Jersey and you can research the amount of lawsuits there are and the majority of years there are zero. Um so it's just something to consider. Uh >> yeah, Joe, may I ask another question? >> Sure. >> Of Jason. So So Jason, are you aware um are a couple of neighboring municipalities, Galloway and Mullica,
they closed their skate, was your group involved in those skate parks? >> No, that was many years ago. And that was a situation I believe in Galloway where the ramps were not maintained and what are called prefab bark. They're pre-fabricated ramps that were put in
that uh also um you know the concrete ones are actually you know on the ground attached to the ground. A lot of times the issues come from when these ramps prop up and there might be something that sticks out uh and that's prefabricated issue was way um yeah
>> thank you. No, thank you for that. I appreciate that because I didn't know what the the you know I don't know who who created those parks. It must have been the municipality themselves. >> Yeah, they closed down a long while back. >> The during this whole process, I've been hearing, you know, this is for the kids, right? >> Yes.
>> And now I wasn't over at the park where when it or the skate park on Atlantic Avenue that was built by whoever was using it. Um, but my understanding was it mostly were 25, 30 year old guys.
>> Yeah. That's delay and say they died young. >> But how would you how would you manage that? How would you manage, you know, a little 5-year-old or 10year-old? >> Sure. >> Wanting to go on the park when there's guys that are 30, 40 years old. >> So the guys who are older are, you know,
just like if you were on a basketball court and there were little kids playing with basketballs, they're aware that this is a youth learning and they are typically uh helping to teach them uh how to do this. Would there be a section of the park for the smaller kids or not?
>> Uh that's, you know, not what typically happens. Um but realistically, it's not as much of an issue as you would think. Uh these guys were also once little kids, so they're very aware of the process that these kids are going
through. And you know, typically we are mentoring these kids. We are now put a board slip out and hit a kid. if the guy doesn't land his trick and the kid doesn't know what's going on possibly, but it's a very rare circumstance. Um,
we definitely are uh very conscientious about making sure everybody has a good time. Uh, you know, so and yes, to your point, it's not just we we do this for the kids because the kids are the ones that really have nothing to do and nowhere to go, but there are also older
people who skateboard and um it's for everybody, you know. the skating community typically tends to stick to itself and >> yeah, >> they help each other out. >> Joe, can I add that too? >> Sure. >> Just from being involved around with the kids and stuff and um but like when we
have like our adult basketball type 90% of the people have kids, those little kids who are on the court playing with the the 90% where you're committed. I don't know much about skating, never really skate, don't know much about it. But far as basketball, football and everything, when you have adults that
are dedicated to the program that they're doing, they see young kids pick up on basketball, pick up a football, the last thing they're doing is pushing a kid off the court and saying, "We're so important." They're taking that kid under their wing and they're teaching them how to do a layup, how to do a shot. >> Great. >> What it's doing is it's more of a
benefit for the kid than anything else, >> right? >> So, I'm assuming that probably with skateboarding is probably the same thing. Yeah, your little kid struggling on the skateboard trying to you're going to teach them how to, you know, stay >> Atlantic City. We run programming for the youth. Uh we teach them lessons and we are, you know,
>> there's tons of kids that I mentored and and our community mentored that are now sponsored skateboarders that teach other kids how to skateboard. And it's kind of like if it becomes generations just recycling energy and investing energy into the next generation. So I I did
hear ahead. >> Is Is this a Hi, Jason. How you doing? Is this a full-time job for you or are you volunteering? >> I started the nonprofit and it is a volunteer movement. I have a regular job but uh this >> So how much time do you usually spend
there >> at the skateboard park? >> Skateboard parks. Yeah, of course. One second. [clears throat] >> Yeah. I mean I'm not like monitoring the parks every day all day. I go by a few hours a day or I wouldn't even say a few hours a day. What it is is that
skateboarding is like how you would have a social network on the phone. We're a social network at the parks. We're all in touch through the phones, but also in person. So, the community is constantly aware of what's happening at the park. We're communicating with each other
about what's going on in the park, mainly like who did what tricks and things of that nature. But like if something were to happen uh with a ramp or something, I'm typically [clears throat] the first person that people will call. Hey man, this you know
thing is and we really don't have those types of issues, but like uh we've had a few incidents with graffiti where somebody will send me a picture and then I know, okay, we got to go over there and paint that like that. >> Joe, so Joe, one one thing. So Joe, I want to I want to apologize because it
it's going on for a little while and I I apologize for the impromptu presentation, but it's really great that everyone came together, John, that I had time to go through these questions that I was concerned about and that Jason and others are there. I'm not sure if it's something that continues at this meeting
or a subsequent meeting, but I just wanted to, you know, apologize that this presentation or this discussion is going on for maybe a little bit longer than I think we may have planned. >> Jerry, that maybe we could call a special meeting. >> Yeah.
>> Council once I have a special meeting on city council that we could >> Yeah. come up with concrete things like the idea that sticks in my head is about the 501c3 where you guys would you would run it. We don't have the
resources in the city to manage it to do all the things that you're talking about need to have done on there. I would personally and the rest of council has say too but uh I personally would be more comfortable with that type of setup and thus you guys building it and
throwing at the responsibility of the city. One second. >> Yeah. I'd like to call for a vote to move forward with working out the details for both sides to protect both sides. I think the city has to have some has to want to protect the youth and protect the city. So I think we should
really put it to a vote to protect both sides. I'm going to make a t a motion. I can make a motion. Right. >> Yeah. Well, >> she she making a motion. I want to make a motion at the table. I >> was obvious to just come into city hall one day and like talk to you guys. That's what I did in Atlantic City
meeting. >> Can I talk to you about this? >> I've been trying to do that for the last three months and trying to get it on the agenda. Trying to get it talk. No, we can't do it. That's what you No, we have to talk about No, we got to vote on this. >> Well, there's still a lot of questions. >> I know. And that's what I mean. That's what we're here for to answer these questions. I don't think we're in a
position to vote on this right now. >> I mean, we could have been in this position three months ago to vote on it. >> Yeah, I I already made a motion at the table. >> Second drag. >> We have a motion made and second at the table that takes precedent over any other motion.
>> Are you going to hear the rest of the comments from the public? I know these three right here said they're >> Yeah. Before we even motion, I I think we're kind of pushing it because of other people not understanding it when it's really not too much. Yes. Can I can I finish on >> Sorry, Tanner. I apologize.
>> I know that there's a lot to understand with it and it seems more that there's like a um like there's a lot of scariness with it, but I mean just because you don't understand the liability that comes with it. I mean like I agree with Mason a lot there. We we're going to table this and table this and table this until somebody just
because people don't have >> and set up a special meeting where we can have discussion just about this because we have a lot of other businesses. >> That's okay. But I don't think that should be a time period. That's some meetings go long. I think that the public has come. They've invested their
time. I think we should hear from them. [clears throat] >> Hold on. If there's a if there's a motion in a second to table that should be voted on and then I mean right now you're allowed to discuss whether or not you >> I'll send that and we'll ask these guys to say
>> me to sit down. >> Thanks Jason. speaks. Can I ask Jason a question? >> Sure. >> Is there a cost for your people to participate in the park? >> No. Just like any other public park. >> And um do you ask for liability waivers?
And how do you issue those liability waivers? >> Just like every single other skateboard park in New Jersey except for Ocean City, New Jersey that I know because they don't want people from outside their community coming into their community. None of the other parks in New Jersey have what you're talking about. They just like a basketball court
open to the public. And there are >> Yeah, it is a lot safer than you guys would think. People get hurt a lot more doing pickle ball and and that leads into the lawsuits more than skate parks. And this is all stuff I've researched that you can feel free to use if you can
look it all up. But is it is it more um when someone gets injured in pickle ball, usually an ankle or something like that, where somebody gets injured on a skateboard, I think it's a lot more a lot more >> I've been a skateboard for 25 years and
I've never broken a bone. >> Oh, really? >> Anything can happen. I can fall in a pickle ball court and the pickle ball thing falls in my eye socket danger. I think that's where >> they is this on.
>> My name is Michael Mars. I live not too far from the park. I live over in Al Village. >> Okay. >> I've been over there for about 20 years. Um, I like to go outside and exercise, ride my bike. So, I always like to stop at a park at the park on a nice day. So,
I'm I'm not here to advocate against a skate park. We're talking about the benefits of the skate park. What what I'm here to advocate for is the benefits of Lincoln Park because I've been watching this on Facebook and I seen where as it was progressing that Lincoln
Park was the preferred site. And these are just my thoughts on maintaining Lincoln Park as it is. So, >> well, before you go any further, I think it was established already that that site really does not work. >> Got it. >> Because we need to um do some
remediation. >> And also a concern was that to get access to Lincoln Park for the kids in the city, they would have to cross over Route 30. And that wouldn't be overall that wouldn't be a safe thing to have happen on a daily basis.
>> Okay. So it appears that it's not going to happen. >> Okay. So that being said, I'll just summarize my points here. Okay. >> So >> I was just going to say that you know communities they need just as he was saying they
need places for the kids um recreation. We also need green spaces, parks for people. Okay. [clears throat] And mainly what I was touching on here was that when when I moved here about 20 years ago, I seem to remember Lincoln Park being even bigger than it is now. So,
they came in um we needed the uh the commuter parking lot for the city and to draw people here. They built that. They built the street there, but that took up a sizable part of what I seem to remember as the parking. the park is
already smaller than it was. Okay. So, I was just sort of um alarmed when when I, you know, heard about us reducing it more and when I saw the graphic on Facebook taking another slice out of that. I don't think we should do that. I
think that we have undeveloped areas. We have areas in need of development. at the area over there by the public works and and I just hope that that we go in that direction. >> Okay. So, that's all I had to say. >> Anybody else want
>> I'll keep it short. >> My name is Eric Lang >> and I just want to say I love everybody here. >> Thank you all for your service. >> I love Acover City and uh I think Lincoln Park is a great place. Escape sounds good, too. But cutting down the
trees, like those trees are my friends. So, I thought I'd come in here and just respectfully, humbly advocate for them to not be cut down. That's all. But if you guys are going to cut them down, whatever. >> Okay. They're not cutting down yet. >> Not cutting down trees in Lincoln Park.
>> That's all I got to say. Peace and love, everybody. >> Peace and love. >> Anyone else? All right. Um Okay. >> So, now I'd like to make that the tape this and for very soon have a
motion special. >> Do we make a motion at least today on the location? It seems like we know the location. Well, we got to get it approved first and then the location. >> When you say look into that location, >> can we
need to be a second? >> Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's a motion on the floor. There needs to be a second and then you can discuss it. There you go. Now you can >> to table >> the table. But now you can discuss. >> But can we put a time frame on how long we're table?
>> Like we will have a special meeting on or >> we can we'd have to look at the calendar and figure out but soon. I'm I'm not saying a month from now. >> We're talking public meeting or >> public public workshop meeting. City council. >> Can I make a point for I don't think we need to table it. It wasn't on the
agenda. It's not an action item. >> Yeah. But it is a discussion. It's >> a discussion. >> I think we just need to set a meeting date to to hash. >> That's a fair point. >> A meeting. >> So, >> are you making that motion to do that?
>> Point order date. >> So, let's look at the calendar. Our next meeting is on the 26th. Why don't we do it that same night and do it earlier? Uh, how about the 25th?
>> Wednesday the 25th. >> Wednesday the 25th. >> What time? >> 25th. >> 6 o'clock. >> 6 p.m. And is that um a public meeting? >> Has to be a public meeting. >> Public meeting >> and then we can spend all the time
>> on that. as question. >> Will we have an answer that night? We won't have another meeting after that, another meeting after that, another meeting after that. >> It depends what probably happens at the meeting. >> Yeah, >> because there's people that call >> take a >> keeps asking if they're going to like
for both sides, you know, what might who knows what will happen at the meeting. >> Well, I I agree with somebody's point over here that >> this fight is one thing that we need to do, >> right? We got if we're going to agree to do this. So, but I don't know if we've agreed to do this yet.
>> That's what I'm saying. We had to agree to do it first before >> but I think we need that meeting to really uh they answered a lot of questions. The 501c3 is seemed to me like the best idea and I think everybody feels good about >> I mean they answered all those questions last. >> Okay. So, you're saying that on this
meeting on the 25th, Wednesday the 25th, we will decide as a council whether or not to have a skate park. >> Yes. It'll be advertised and that'll be the one topic for >> no other agenda items.
>> Mr. We should go come to that meeting prepared like the background information on the on this 501c. [clears throat] Uh so so we understand whether it's applicable or similar to to to
our meals that we have now. So there >> is does Jason still hear you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So can he get us that information and >> and maybe have maybe a plan rendering size of it
>> property necessary all that kind. >> Can you do me a favor? Can you look at Jeremy when you're talking because Jeremy's going to want to come in and he might be so he knows exactly what you're talking about so he can get that information for you. >> Was it you need? >> Well, it's not for me. >> Yeah. So we come to the meeting with
information that's given to us. actually 24 >> and now I have to screech team I'm only one set did gentleman hear >> what Mr. Adobe Adobe said.
>> So you'll be prepared with everything you need to be prepared with. >> I'll need it in advance. >> You'll get it to me in advance. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Great. Okay. So, we got to settle the table and uh >> Yeah. move on. >> So, let's vote on that first.
>> Oh, no. We don't have to do anything, right? >> No, we don't have to. Not on the agenda. It doesn't even >> So, we're going to make a motion to have a special meeting. >> So, is there a motion? >> I'll second. Motion made and seconded for Wednesday, March 25th at six o'clock, a special meeting of city
council to discuss sleep. All in favor? >> I opposed. >> All right. >> This is why they call such pain. >> Mr. Galloway, do you want to speak on your committees?
>> Oh, yes. >> Talk about which committees you're reporting on. >> All right. Um, I did not attend a safety meeting today. Jerry uh or Meg, maybe you can give a little >> recap of what happened at that meeting.
um sustainable at Harbor City. Um I passed out the flyer for some of we have six events planned. I don't know what those but um concentrating on bees and
butterflies and pollinators. So all program if you want to have discussions please take it out into the hallway so we can hear what the people on the days are saying. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um so we will post information on the
website sustainable ehc.org. Um we have programs. We have beekeeper coming. We have um uh arbor day is going to be free trees for backyards. Uh people have asked for uh fruit trees and flowering
small flowering trees. Uh we'll have a program actually two programs on growing tomatoes. Uh, one will be uh we'll give it giving away his own plants and another one will be how to can them, freeze them afterwards. Um, and then
we'll have potting party. We're going to concentrate on getting some pollinator plants to plant. We want to increase the amount of milkweed in the city. I have purchased milkweed seeds, so they'll be available for the public. Um, our next
green team meeting is 700 p.m. Tuesday, March 24th. And this is important if anybody's interested in attending. Steve Feedler will be there to discuss the wild and scenic designation for the Egg Harbor River. Um, the Great A Harbor
River is, what did I say? >> Great. >> The Mullica River. uh Great Egg Harbor River is already designated as wild and scenic and it offers some benefits and a protection for the river. So, it'll be an important one to to attend if you're
interested. It'll be here at city wall. And um this isn't related to the green team, but I did get contacted by the Peace Pilgrim Group and they want to have hold their walk this year on Peace Pilgrim's birthday July 18th and they
have a new initiative. Um they have some new members on their international board [clears throat] and they're interested in getting walks done in every town that piece Pilgrim Walk through was the country. They have a map with all the towns she visited and they're going to
be contacting all these communities. So, they're asking for a barber city support for that and so I'll have a resolution for the next agenda. >> Okay, >> that's all I have. >> That's okay. Thank you, Mr. Sassy. >> Um, I have nothing for Rotary. However,
um, as far as the code, they have there is a resolution uh to hire two people that we had interviewed. >> It's not on the agenda. That'll be an add-on from Jerry. >> That'll be an add-on. >> Yeah, it just happened. >> I know. I had seen it, so I thought
everybody saw it. >> Everyone Everyone received the copy, but I'll read it into the into the record, but yes, that's correct. >> And what I also wanted to ask is, can we please post a job opening for code enforcement that um since Yes.
>> will be leaving on the >> Yes. Yeah. And so, um, I wasn't sure if he was leaving until early this morning. So, yes, I'll get that posted right away. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> That's all I have. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Timber.
>> I have nothing. Mr. Dobby, any report? >> No report. >> Okay, S. Um, no, I'm good. Thank you, Mrs. >> Um, yeah, just one thing. um the licensing committee um after speaking with Megan and Jackie um the first thing
we would like to do is um all games of chance um through the churches, the high schools, anybody who comes in and gets a license for a game of chance. That would be any bingo game, any um 50/50, any
purse, the purse bingos they do, anything through the high school, the churches, they have to pay a >> basket raffles. >> Basket raffles. They have to pay a fee to the state in order to get a license to do that. They do not pay anything to the city to have the paperwork
processed. We are entitled to get the same amount that the state gets to have that paperwork processed. we have never charged for in all these years. These girls give the paperwork out. They go over the paperwork. If the paperwork is wrong,
they correct the paperwork. They are the people that the state calls if there's an issue with the paperwork. So, we would like to set um change the ordinance that we charge the same amount that the state does when that paperwork
is processed that we get what the state does. They said that when most people walk in to get their license, they walk in with two checks. What do we owe the state? What do we owe the city? And they tell them what they owe the city nothing. >> Most other towns, >> most other towns do charge. Now, the
state also charges if they do a bag bingo and they make $13,000, the state gets a percentage of that back. They have to pay the state a certain percentage they make on their profits. We don't want to charge that. We just want to charge the fee that the state
charges when they receive their license. >> It's not a big fee. It's $20, >> you know, >> but we feel that it's something that >> a processing >> and the proc like a processing fee for what they do with their time and their effort to do that. So, we wanted to bring it um in front of council to find
out if you guys would feel that that would be a fair and legitimate thing. >> Just not anybody can just get a license. You have to be you have to be licensed by the state to even hold the raffles like but you know >> right >> like the the school has to have the ban
bianial license from the state the registration to hold these raffles like not just anyone can come in and apply >> to renew it every two years these raffles that people are having around town >> that that aren't saying you I mean no but
>> but this has to be done ordinance >> so we'll have to have the ordinance prepared >> right and I I shared with you with other towns too. I mean, >> right, >> can [clears throat] prepare something for the introduce maybe the next meeting if you so if you want to, >> right? We wanted to bring it here, put it in front of everybody, make sure that everybody was in agreement that we felt
that this was fair that we did this and then we could take it. >> I don't think we need to take a vote on >> what we do is we'll we'll prepare an ordinance for council's consideration. >> Okay. As long as everybody feels that just you know, >> I'm curious what's the fee for the state
license? Like it depends if it depends what's the prize amount. People have to guess guess what they would get on a 50/50. So it's like 20 bucks. Say 20 bucks on the thousand something like that. >> I mean they're not they're hard to get. I remember job. >> Oh you're talking about the license to
apply. I think it's like 200 bucks every other year. But you have to meet certain criteria to get that. >> You have to list every person. >> Well they that's through the state. We don't get involved in them getting a license to have the >> state is the fee is 200. you want to charge 200.
>> No, no, no. That's to get a license for an organization. Say um Cedar Creek football team, they have a license to have but they have to apply every two years and prove like show proof that they're a nonprofit. >> But what happens is if you're going to
hold a raffle in town, you have to go and get the town and then the state permission to hold a raffle on that daddy. And there's like a $20 fee for that. Yeah, >> I think what the council woman is suggesting is that this right now only the state is getting the $20. The city is also doesn't have an ordinance that
would allow the city to also collect the $20 and they're doing all the processes. So, >> right. And you can't we the state doesn't allow you to charge more than they get like it's capped like the >> Okay. So, that's something we can prepare for the next meeting, too. If you're I mean yeah we they know
>> I say let's vote on all in favor first of all we need a motion >> I'll make a move I second it >> okay all in favor >> post >> right chief of >> police um we were struck by lightning last
night um they are still working on our servers went down um some of our stuff so they are still working on fixing everything. That being said, I was not able to access all of our stuff, so I had nothing. >> That fits right in in tonight's there, right?
>> The Joe, she was excellent taking care of business today, though. She was she took care of everything. >> Thank you. All right. Number nine, CFO. >> I don't have anything. Thank you. city clerk. >> I just want to mention next Tuesday we're having an on-site well wellness
screening um for if you anybody wants to come blood blood pressure pre-diabetes risk assessment uh glucose when this >> it's next uh Tuesday from 10:00 a.m. to two and >> yeah it's here at city hall
>> Atlantic Care is partnering with the mayor's wellness program so that will be here in this room next um Tuesday >> thank you city attorney I have nothing >> okay city administrator >> this year we had a ice storm we had an
ice storm we had a blizzard we were hit by lightning I had to salt or I asked an employee to salt sidewalks today after two or three 80° days >> and next Tuesday we are planning for
another snowstorm. So um this is the test >> the test of wits and and all of that other stuff. Um but I really don't have much. I took a lot of time. I do want to say that at the safety committee meeting uh the one thing that was very important
was that um we have a website. I think Jody checked on our website to make sure that the website is also ADA compliant. We are starting to do a we start we are starting on a $400,000 project at city hall um designed by RVE and um managed
or built by Maxwell Construction. So ADA is very important. It seems like the theme of this spring. Um, but Jody, there's a couple of websites that are linked to ours like sustainable EHC. So, I don't know if you checked on those as well. >> What would have to be
>> about the font and I don't know that they would be required to be >> I don't know. Just that it's linked to ours. So, I was, you know, concerned about it. Um, >> I'm not sure if there's any others that are linked to ours. I just found our EHC, our sustainable EHC linked to ours.
So, there's requirements as far as uh ADA on our website and I want to make sure that um we're complying. So, I'll work with Jody to make sure that we um we get those. Um >> Great. Thank you, J. >> That's it. Thank you, >> Jerry. Another I have one question.
>> Yeah, meetings going to be during the day or are they going to go back to Nette planning them through committee? So, so safety committee meetings are prepared um for uh quarterly meetings
10:00 a.m. um in in in city hall and then if the safety committee wants to have a separate meeting on their own. So, so at this meeting we talk about um insurance claims, we talk about employees getting hurt, we talk about uh
returning back to work, we talk about a lot of um internal stuff. Um but if the safety committee wants to have a separate meeting, we do have minutes from these meetings. So they could have a separate meeting in the evening when people when council members are available and then we could go over the
minutes and I can discuss or add whatever questions answer any questions that you may have. So maybe maybe your meeting during the day with the quarterly meetings maybe call it something else other than safety committee because
>> the safety committee has been confused about >> so you call it risk management assessment >> it's a requirement of our statewide insurance fund. We have to have quarterly meetings and we go over training. We schedule training and we
look at issues and problems within our workforce. It's it's basically DPW and police that cause all the problems. So, um but we have staff there that help us manage these claims. So, it it shouldn't be uh a safety committee meeting similar
to our safety committee. Um it could be something else and I'll start calling it something else, but it is a requirement of our insurance coverage. >> I was just going to say that had to be during the day. I was going to ask that someone else because I cannot do it during the day. I was going to get that someone else take my place because I felt it was unfair to be on the
committee and not be able to attend the meetings >> but completely different and >> yeah these are really for employees >> right then then I understand that and we'll just >> work two separate >> right two separate entities >> yeah and it's not like I mean Nette tried to to get on we didn't have we got
hit by lightning so we didn't have our email up and all of that so I ended up apologizing because I didn't see Nette's email asking for a quick zoom uh which I could have easily set up But um if an council member wants to attend, of course, I know I don't stop anybody from attending. It's just that it's it's an
internal discussion with a lot of uh detail regarding our employees and managing the risk that we have with employees and our operation. >> Jerry, did you want to mention the resolution for hiring? >> Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. Um so, uh I just want to bring it up, Meg, if I
could. >> You're allowed. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just want to find it actually. Okay. So, the the resolution uh council president, the resolution that I need to read into the
record, I don't have a number for it, but is the resolution to hire part-time employees, whereas the city of Egg Harbor has a need to hire um employees. Uh we would be we would be asking council to consider hiring um Mr. Brian Malazo, part-time code
enforcement officer, assistant construction official, $30 per hour, up to 20 hours per week with no benefits. He does have his construction official designation. And then uh we have a resignation. Today was his last day actually, Mr. Rich Saunders, who has
been our construction official and our uh building subcode. And we would be um passing on that responsibility to Mr. Stephen Buckhoffer who is currently our um fire, electric and plumbing sub code
and is also our fire official. We would be adding to him um the title of construction official which basically um is the um connection between our office and the DCA and building sub code official. >> He doesn't doesn't have building sub
code. I just talked to him before the meeting. >> Okay. Okay. So So uh Brian has building sub code. So, we'll work that out. I think that was probably a misunderstanding that I had. So, we'll get that straightened out. Um, and then >> mentioned 20 hours. It's 28 on the
paper. >> 28. I'm sorry. I did I I I meant to say 28 if I said be up to 28 hours per week. And then Mr. Buckhoffer would be our construction official. Uh, $11,000 would be added to his current salary of 17425
for his sub code work. Okay, >> Jerry, will he be overseeing the code enforcement as well? >> Yes, >> it is his full-time job in Willingboro and he would be doing that for us on a
um part-time on call type of basis. >> Okay. Is there a motion? >> Second. >> Okay, got it. >> Okay, >> do >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. Heist.
>> Um, I have a question. Can we put this through if we have it if it's not correct on here? >> It is correct. >> Well, you're talking about the building sub. >> Yeah, it would be removing building sub code. Thank you. Good catch.
>> That should be on Mr. Malazo and not Mr. Buck Hopper. >> That's correct. Yep. Thank you. >> Mr. Ro if it's not written correctly on this. >> No, we're going to correct it. Meg meg corrected it. You can do the the motion to motion on the amended motion.
>> It's different than an ordinance. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, it was corrected. >> So, we can we can Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. Where was I? Hessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, yes. >> Ortiz, Sen. Yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Right.
>> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, >> all right. So, uh, engineer. >> Sure. >> Engineer. >> Yeah, I'll keep it short. Um, Buffalo Avenue, uh, we are looking to do stop work on Monday. Um, weather dependent.
We'll see how that goes. Um, the campground, um, we are working through the design as quickly as possible, trying to get all our permit documents, uh, ready to go out the door. Uh, city hall improvements, uh, we're making material selections, processing submitts. They're ordering materials. Uh like we talked about, we're going to make sure that they have pretty much
everything lined up so they can come in and sweep through as quick as possible. >> Please give me. >> Yes. >> When should that start? Do you have an idea projected date? >> Not yet. Um it's going to depend on some of the longer lead times. Um we don't see anything being longer than the four to six weeks. Um but we're we're still
getting submitts in to approve. So they have to send them to us. We have to review them. Uh the city's making some material selections. Once that process is all flushed out and they get them back, that's when they actually place orders. So, um we should know I would say in another two to three weeks, we should have a very very good idea on the
schedule. Uh but we talked when we had a pre-construction meeting, we talked with them about um like timing the deis work the work that's required in here to be in between meetings. So like we'll have a meeting and then they can start Friday do their demo of the whole week to do the work uh the following week. Uh so we
won't you know we won't disrupt a regular council meeting. Um, sure. Uh, New Orleans Avenue subdivision, we, um, I saw the solicitor's office sent stuff over to the county for review and approval on the conditions, uh, that were required as part of the approval. So, once those are approved, we can finally, uh,
circulate the plat and get that filed. Um, I bank project, we need to place an ad probably within the next week or week and a half. Their advertising requirements are crazy. You have to advertise 30 days prior to when you're going to advertise. Um, so you have to
advertise, wait 30 days, then advertise the job, and that has to be out for 30 days. Um, so we're trying to do that next advertisement within the next week to 10 days. Uh, that would put our bid opening at some point in May, and then we could award it in June. And there's some time for DP to approve everything.
Um, so we're we're on track for that. >> Please, >> that is the the storm water improvement project, the like two plus million dollars in clean water. >> Do we have a a location or >> Oh, yeah. It's primarily on Beethoven Street. There's a splinters up to Argo and a couple side streets. Uh but yeah,
it's it's we designed it and submitted it to them in March of last year. So um they took a long time to get back, but we're still on track to get the FY26 money. Uh and then hopefully move on to the FY27 project. And then the last thing is the senior center ADA improvements. Um we did a site survey
the other day. Uh we have a LAR scanner went scan the inside for to so we can design all those improvements. Um so yeah, that's that's the active stuff at the moment. Uh We um we finished the survey um even though there's still some snow on the ground. Um but we have our
site plans and we're we're finally ready to submit that I think. Oh >> yeah. >> Two two things. Deer Street >> um >> so Deer Street the county is performing work. Uh we held a meeting with them a coordination meeting with them here like three weeks ago now.
Um, yeah. Uh, just to talk through, they didn't think it was really going to have any impact on the school and the one that they were focusing on was the Havana Avenue and the community school. Um, and they didn't realize that the only way to get to the elementary school is from Deer Street. So, um, we had a
probably hour, hour and 15 minute meeting here and we talked through how they can phase everything and how they can sort of shift their detours so that they'll provide access to uh, Buffalo Avenue from Deer Street at all times. Um, so there'll be a series of revolving
detours. It might be three different days in a row, three different detours. So, it'll be a little bit of confusion, but every day there will be access to Buff Lav School. Well, it was originally slated to start Monday. They pushed it >> a week or so. >> Yeah. Um maybe the end of next week,
more likely the following Monday. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Schools have been notified. I sent them the detour routes. So >> I saw it on Facebook. >> Good. >> Yeah. Can that >> Yeah. They um you'll you'll see they're going to start the work. They have work in Galloway. Um that's going to occur
before this. So you'll see work start down there and then you'll figure you're a week and a half to two weeks from when you see the work start in Galloway. Um >> and one other thing can you talk about the change at your company? >> Sure. Um so Remington and Vernick Engineers um became part of Ardora which
is a uh larger national engineering company. So we have about 2600 employees stretching uh clear across the United States. Um but yeah so we are operating as Remington Verdict at least for the next year or so. But it seems that we will eventually be part of uh the larger
Ardora company. So, >> but we'll still have you. >> Yeah, there's you're right. So, um I sort of glaze over that. No real like internal changes. Everyone literally everyone in the entire company is staying our whole management structure. Ardura has no current presence in the Northeast. They had nothing north of
Virginia. So, they didn't like buy us to merge with somebody somebody else. It's it's just a division within the company essentially. Um so, they're they're not planning on really changing anything. It's just sort of folding into that that larger umbrella. >> And legally, we don't have to make any changes. council
>> uh after well they're not making any changes not right now if they change during the term of their contract you'd have to amend the contend amend the resolution just to recognize the new entity >> yeah we're not we're still operating as Roington and Vernick 2 LLC I think is the technical legal name at the moment
um but yeah we're still operating as that entity we have thousands of contracts all over the place and we we had that discussion as part of that merger was we're not going to you know over complicate that as contracts cycle through we'll turn them over um at this continue >> just and just the fact
>> that ver 125 years old correct >> and Carter City has been a client of them for all 125 years >> been continuous yeah >> I didn't I wasn't here when we started [laughter]
this meeting started [laughter] >> but yeah we we will still be celebrating our 125th anniversary at Remington Infernic this Thank you. Anybody have any questions for us? >> Any number 14 resolution budget
appropriation preserve transfer last motion? >> Motion second. >> Motion made second. Questions? >> Yeah. Why are we transferring 20,000 into the heat of the >> So that way I can move money to the storm trust. >> It is for the storms.
>> Yeah. Dovy. >> Yes. >> Galloway. >> Yes. >> Heist. >> Yes. >> Pessie. >> Yes. >> Kenir. >> Yes. >> Ortiz. Sen. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Resolution passes. Number 15. Resolution
for 100% disabled veteran. Tax exemption case number 2026-02. >> Mr. [clears throat] >> Motion made and seconded. Questions? Roll call. Doby, yes. Galloway, >> yes.
>> Heist, yes. Pessie, >> yes. >> Kenir, yes. Ortiz, Sen, yes. >> Timbers, yes. Right. >> Yeah. >> Motion passes. Number 16, resolution 100% disabled veteran tax exemption case number 2026-3.
>> I like the motion. >> Second. >> Motion made second. Questions? Roll call. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heis, >> yes. >> Hessie, >> yes. Kenir, >> yes. >> Ortiz, >> yes. >> Sen, >> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Right. >> Yes.
>> Resolution basis number 17, 100% disabled veteran exemption case number 2026-01 repeat of 2025 property tax. >> Make a motion. Second.
>> Motion made. Second of questions. >> I do have one question. I just wanted to ask Joby something. We do get monies back from the state. You know, there's actually legislation that they're trying to work on to try to like >> force the state to give the municipalities money back since they're
the ones who I wasn't sure whether we >> apparently unfortunately it up and [clears throat] I thought >> rolly. Yes. >> Galloway. Yes. >> He pesser. >> Yes. >> Ortiz. Sen. Yes.
>> Timbers. Yes. Right. >> Yes. Resolution passes number 18, 100% disabled veteran tax exemption case 2025-02 refund of 2025 property taxes. I'll make the motion second.
>> Motion made second. Questions? Roll call, please. >> Doby, yes. >> Galloway, yes. Heist, >> yes. >> Hessie, yes. >> Kener, yes. >> Ortiz, Sen. >> Timbers, yes. Wright, >> yes. >> Resolution passes. Okay. Number 19 is a
public hearing ordinance number 4-2026 abolishing the ordinance opting into the Garden State CPACE program to facilitate and finance CPACE projects adopted on September 1125.
Motion. >> Motion made second. There second. >> Second. >> Second. Motion made. Seconded. Questions. For public comment, right? >> No, this is >> public. Open the public.
>> Okay. It says adoption. >> Public hearing. Uh public hearing is open. Oh, let's make a motion. >> Is there a motion to open? >> Second. That's what we do. Motion made second. >> Yeah, you just public hearing.
>> We're just abolishing the one we created last year because we had to make some changes and we that one we adopted at the last meeting. >> Okay. Public hearing is open. Anyone wish to either >> seeing none. So motion to close the public hearing motion. Second.
>> All in favor? >> Okay. Now, is there a motion to it now? Make a motion. Second. Motion made in second. Roll call, please. >> Doby, yes. Galloway, yes. He >> Yes. Hessie, yes. Kenir, >> yes. >> Ortiz, Sen,
>> yes. >> Timbers, >> yes. >> Right. >> Yes. >> Ordinance passes and it will be posted on the city website. Number 20, public hearing ordinance number 5-206
amending chapter 235 streets and sidewalks article 7 titled free renewal and replacements there. Motion to hold a public hearing. >> Make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? I opposed.
>> Okay. Public hearing is open for ordinance number 5-206. Anyone wish to be? >> I have a question. A couple questions. >> Okay. >> Well, basically comes down to this and I
believe Councilwoman Galloway answered me in the in the affirmative two weeks ago. My question is according to this ordinance, I'm reading it. No trees shall be removed until the code enforcement department or the city ISA certified arborist has reviewed and approved the
removal. And then a couple pages later it says any person agreved by the decision of the city. My question is can a resident be denied permission to
take down a tree on their property? >> Yes. >> Yes, >> they can be. >> Yes. according to the way according to the way the ordinance is written. Yes, they can. >> City administrator Arberus, would you elaborate on that? >> Uh, sure. Thank you. So, earlier um
today, and I apologize because today was a crazy day, but earlier today, I did send out an email to clarify that um I've done this now for three municipalities. Um, Egg Harbor City is one of the three, and I continue to do it for some other municipalities.
And typically um a tree that is requested to be removed is most of the time almost 95% of the time the way I keep my statistics is either dead or diseased or dying. And so I
identify the risk uh the risk that typically the homeowner already knew or may have been told about uh by a tree company and I approve that removal. There are few instances where someone wants to remove a tree um and
the tree is somewhat healthy. And so in my case, I and the homeowner talk about pruning the tree or potentially cabling the tree, which is uh putting a cable between two branches that could be potentially um um uh weighted
differently with an un unbalanced canopy. Uh but most of the time because trees cost tens of thousands of dollars to remove or or thousands of dollars, I apologize. Thousands of dollars to remove, typically um wholesale removal of trees is just so costly people tend
to not do it instead of do it more. >> Okay. Well, I what if I want to add an addition onto my house and there's a perfectly albeit healthy tree in my yard where my new living room wants to be on it. >> Right. So, we wouldn't we wouldn't I
would I would be asking you if it's a perfectly healthy tree that um while you're taking it down uh you would say I want to put a large addition on my house. It has to come down and then um I wouldn't deny the tree to be removed but I would request as the ordinance says to
plant a new tree in its place somewhere else on your property. >> And I have no problem with that. I'm not, let's say, I'm not wanting to remove an a healthy tree, say for a home extension, but I just don't want this tree in my front yard anymore and a
healthy tree, but I just want it down and it's on my property, >> right? That there there has to be >> I agree to plant a tree in its place once I take the perfectly healthy tree down just because I want it down. Can I be denied the right to take that tree
down? Now, you'd be required to replace a tree. Um, you'd be required to make a tree replacement, right, Jerry? Under That's correct. >> 4B2, resident who removes a non- street tree, which would be one on your property,
>> um, that is not deemed a hazard with a diameter of 6 in or greater is required to plan a replacement tree. >> Yep. regular space. >> So then I will not be denied >> no >> need to take as long as I plant another
tree. >> So So the way the artist works is if it's if anybody removing a tree on the property has to come in and do a $25 >> no problem application. >> Okay. And then if the tree arburist comes out and looks at it and says, "Okay, the tree is unhealthy. You're not
required to plan a replacement tree." If it's a hazardous tree, I'm I'm just explaining the whole ordinance. Okay. >> Right. So, if it's if it's considered a not a healthy tree, you have no replacement obligations. If it is a healthy tree determined by the arborist
and you still want to remove it, then you have the requirement to replace it to to plan to replace the tree. >> But I will be able to remove the tree as long as I agree to plant another tree. >> Correct. That's the way. >> You will be I will try >> vigorously to talk you out of it. But
you will be able to do it >> if you need to do it. Yes, >> that is how that is how the ordinance is written is that is that if you're if you're the ordinance only requires a replacement tree if the tree is not deemed a hazard. But it doesn't say that you can be not denied the right to take
the tree down. What it can say is that if you take down a tree that's not otherwise a hazard, you have a requirement to replace a replacement tree. You have a requirement to plant a replacement tree. That's what you >> and the the the real and Joe just real quick if I could say the real um reason
why the D wanted this ordinance that every municipality so they tied it into the MS4 permitting process is because people were taking down trees without replanting trees, healthy trees without replanting trees. And so really the goal of the DP is to make sure that if a
healthy tree comes down, a healthy tree gets planted so that the canopy can rejuvenate itself over time. >> Correct. It's a tree replacement ordinance. It's not denying the homeowner the right to to remove a tree. It just says remove a healthy tree, you have an obligation to plant a healthy tree somewhere else.
>> Okay. And you answer my question, Jared, by mentioning the D. >> Yeah. >> Actually requiring us to do that, right? >> They're requiring everyone to do it. Yes. >> Which begs the question to me, why have a local public on it if this is if this is being mandated by the state? Why are
we even >> Why are we voting? Similar to the pine man situation where >> they don't have enforcement power in any car city we do >> and that's why we have our local ordinance correct >> yes >> that's correct >> if I'm not mistaken
>> just like storm water management regulations and things like that DP regulates DP mandates that municipalities have to implement it and the full >> and if we didn't then we get >> you get fined >> you get fined right >> the were fined and and in Jerry's in Jerry's he tried to sneak it through
before and they There you go. >> I tried. I really did try. So I apologize, but I did try >> a lot in the ordinance. The first thing that and everybody in this room should be concerned about it is at this present time, >> the people who own homes in Egg Harbor
City are responsible for their street trees, >> right? >> They're how old? 100 years old. They cost brand to remove. So without adopting this ordinance, everybody in town would still have the the
responsibility for taking care of those. Adopting this ordinance puts the onus on the city to take care of those street trees. Okay. We got $2 million, well close to $2 million to take care of that. It's a four-year program. Not adopting the ordinance puts that $2
million in jeopardy. >> Yeah. And and that's >> I don't want to see that happen. My only question was if I don't have a street tree and it's healthy, I want to be able to take that tree down with the agreement that I will plant another tree. I be denied in the end. What
you're saying, what I hear you saying is that I can't be told no, that tree has to stay on your property. >> No. >> Yeah. You'll be told yes, but you'll be told yes, but you got to plant a tree somewhere else on your property. That's >> okay. But but the yes, but I'll plant it on the tree allows tree to come.
That's that's my >> Okay. Very well. >> The other thing I wanted to say was this ordinance has been introduced the third time it's being introduced. It was introduced last January with all the
requirements recommended by the D and the uh Pineelance Commission which I supported 100%. It included replacing trees based on the size of the trunk. So if there was a you had a big humongous
tree, you would have to replace it with four or five trees. That ordinance, it didn't go anywhere. The council would not adopt it. So we had to redo it. We took all that stuff out. We took everything out and made it the way the public wanted it, which was
no requirements, no fees, nothing. We sent we docked that in December, sent it to the DP and they said, "You can't do that, >> right? You have to do a real ordinance and you have to replace any trees that come down in your community.
>> And we did try to this is the end result and has it went from $250 to $500 replacement if you can't replace it on your property fee to $25 application
fee. Now I just today Washington Township through the woods over bridge they have the same ordinance that they adopted recently. Their application fee is $250. Now when that money goes away that we
have to maintain our street trees when it's expired and we used it all up. There's no money in our budget to take care of our trees. >> Mhm. >> So having having those fees, those replacement fees would go into a trust
fund that would replenish some of that money so that in three years time when the grants go away, we no longer have any money. We have a little pot of money that if somebody or somebody a tree needed to come down, we'd have the money to go pay. Right now, the grant is
paying $750 per tree to remove that's that was the bid amount that we accepted. So, it's costing the city $750 to to address every street tree in town. It's a lot of money. I don't think the
taxpayers can afford that. So, you could you could turn down the ordinance. You could push against it. >> There's pros and cons to my main question was answered and to my satisfaction. So I'll I'll vote. >> You're asking a question
>> about your tree in your yard or anybody's tree. We can't give you that one your argument. No way. >> Stop talking. >> Is there a motion? I got one. >> You said I can't be guaranteed that. So you just said that >> was not an arbur. I can't look at your
tree and tell you. >> Well, I'm not asking you. I'm asking if this says that. And according to our lawyer, he says that I will be able to take a perfectly healthy tree down as long as I plant another one. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Amazing.
>> I have a question. We are planning to do the next phase. It goes well at the the north. >> Now, what do we got to do with all those trees that are going to come down? >> That's in there. There's >> a while. I know it's in there. But >> you want me to explain it? >> No. Not
as he asked the question. Well, this is public comment, so we we should probably close public comment and then you can discuss your >> make a motion. >> I think most hear from the public. >> Yes, we did. We It was public comment. >> My question is, is this ordinance going to interfere if we have to take trees
down over there? >> Where? >> Over where? I didn't understand them. >> I just want the answer. Well, it doesn't redevelop. It it it will it will it will require the new the new development to plant new trees. Yes.
>> Not one for one. No, not one for one. It's different. You see it in the ordinance. It's different for development than it is for private property for development. >> Okay. Development and private owner. Yeah. >> Different different categories. >> That's what I wanted to get to because I kind of knew that. Okay.
Motion made and seconded. All in favor? Opposed? Motion to adopt. I'll make >> motion has been made and seconded to adopt roll. >> Doby Galloway. >> Yes. Heist. >> Oh yeah. Pessie.
>> Yes. >> Kener. >> Yes. >> Ortiz. Sen. >> Yes. >> Timbers. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Thank you. >> Passes and it'll be posted on the website. >> Number 21. Ordinance number six, public
hearing amending chapter 216 of the city code titled rental property registration. Is there a motion to open a public hearing? >> I'll make a motion second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> I
public hearing is now open for ordinance number six amending the city code title registration rental property registration. Anyone wish to be heard? [clears throat] Seeing none, is there a motion to close the public hearing? >> Second.
>> Motion made second. All in favor? >> Opposed. >> Is there a motion to adopt? >> Make the motion. >> Second. >> Motion has been made and seconded. If you call, please. >> Doby, >> yes. >> Galloway, >> yes. >> Heist, yes. >> Hessie, yes. >> Kenir,
>> yes. >> Ortiz, yes. Sen, >> yes. >> Timbers, yes. Right. >> Yes. Ordinance adopted and it'll be posted on the city budget. Number 22 is our bill list. Your motion. >> I'll make a motion. Second.
>> Motion made. Second. Is there questions on the bills? >> Seeing none. Roll call, please. >> Dovy? >> Yes. >> Galloway? >> Yes. >> Heist? >> Yes. >> Hessie? >> Yes. >> Kener? >> Yes. >> Ortiz? >> Yes. >> S? >> Yes. >> Timbers? >> Yes. >> Wright? >> Yes.
Bills are paid. Number 23, public comment. Anyone wish to be heard on any other get a recording. Keep it. Oh, she does. She got four words. [laughter]
>> Hey, she's doing an amazing job. I don't know anybody. [laughter] >> I miss you, Komi. I miss you. >> Doing a good job. Um, the ladies in the office. I don't know. Anybody told you, but you guys are doing
a good job. And you, too. No one's here to arrest you today. Amazing job. They mortif. >> Oh my good. All right. And I hope we get the skates. >> Yes. >> All right.
>> Thank you. Anyone else wish to hear? >> Okay. Um number 24 comments by city council members starting with let's start >> the 10 minutes. >> Okay Mr. James
>> uh that would be great meeting looking forward to our next meeting till we can talk good stuff about >> yep >> that's it. >> Thank you Mr. D. I have no
finish. >> When I was young, I rode a skateboard. You remember a pebble to this day? Cuz I went fly and >> I believe I assume that risk. That was good. [laughter]
>> And no, I do not sign. That's all. >> I would like to say I had the very first skateboard that would was ever manufactured. >> Oh boy. >> When Remington
Remington and Berdick came [laughter] >> else um after uh I guess this would be a good time to tell it. If you haven't known, you're about to know today. Um, I had switched to an independent. I will be
running out of independent this year. Um, it took me a couple months to make that decision, but uh, there's a couple things that, you know, over a couple years that I'm just throwing my way to go back to an independent, like I've said for years, I don't believe there should be an R and a D in a small town
like this. We should all be here for the city. >> We're all in this together. >> Yep. And um year after year you hear both parties. It's all about power. We got power. We got power. I did not sign up here for power. I signed up here for
the help for egg barber city. And so after my wife and everybody, I decided that I am going to go back to an independent and I'll be running at the independent. Just wanted to put that out there. I mean, the mayor already let the mayor know a while ago, but before I got out
there, I'm sure Mega already received it, but >> I thought it go city council, but I mean, not city council, the first office. >> The petitions aren't due yet. >> No, not the petition. This is like the switch of a party or anything. >> You have to do that. >> I already thought. >> Okay. No, I don't get >> I didn't know yet. >> No. No.
>> But yeah, I just wanted to put that out there. That's all. >> Okay. Uh yeah, I just want to say that um we have a lot of projects in our queue for [clears throat] um
progressed progress in our city. Uh some things have already happening. Um there's we're working very hard with some of the eyes that were in town. We're looking to do some redevelopment
u planning for the main street white horse bike corridor where we have a lot of eyesource. We want to try to come up with a plan. We we all have ideas of how to do things, but we want to put it in writing and put a plan together and we're we're going to do that with our
our planners and our engineers to to do that. And hopefully very soon we'll hear from the Pinelands on what's going on with the studio and I think that will be a big day in Acover City and uh all the other things that we're
working on. Uh I think 2020 the rest of this year we'll see some of those projects come to fruition. So or at least start. That's all I have. >> I got one question on the studio. All I ask is that if that does go through and
they do as a ribbon cutting that the old council that started that program and got it to go to where it is dead can be invited to the um the >> I'm sure you know that >> that'll be Mr. Shankers plan but uh >> yeah whoever whoever yeah whoever I know
there was an old a lot of old county members right work on project >> okay there a motion to adjurnn motion >> second motion made second all in favor >> good night everyone