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record or however you want to do that. I'd like to call the meeting to order with a flag salute. >> Uh oh, there >> I got something across my There we go.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for its one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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>> All right. Uh June 16th, 2026, this meeting was advertised pursuant to the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Notices were sent out to official publications for

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the A Carver City Municipal Land Use Board, the Press of Atlantic City, and the Hamilton Gazette. A copy of the notice was posted on the bulletin board of the A Carbor City Municipal Building. Will we please enter that into the

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minutes? >> Yes. >> And a roll call, please. >> Mayor Jim Petty >> here. >> Mr. Timbers. Mr. Gar

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Mr. G >> here. >> Mr. Peterson >> here. >> Mr. McKenna >> here. >> Mr. Walker, >> Mr. Walker >> here,

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>> and Mr. Hess >> here. >> All right. I'd like to have a motion for the approval of the minutes from May 19th, 2026. Do I have a motion? >> So moved. >> All in favor? I

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>> I >> opposed. All right, the motion carries. We have no resolutions tonight, so we're going to move right down to new business. We have an application 2026-02 1018 White Horse Pike LLC. Would you uh

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step forward and be sworn in, please? >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh Bob Roberto, can you hear us? >> Okay. Um >> for Roberto and Bob Bruce. Okay.

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>> If uh you gentlemen are both appearing by phone uh on Zoom, if you would where you are, raise your right hand. And do you solemnly swear or affirm testimony you're about to provide this evening will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God.

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>> Yes. We got another one. Is Bob having tech technical difficulties? Tom, can he hear us? >> I responded. I said yes. >> Okay, you said yes. Okay, I got you, Bob. >> Okay,

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>> being sworn. Uh, Mr. Darcy, >> thank you. Uh, good evening, gentlemen. Uh, Mr. Chairman, uh, Mayor, this is, uh, application 2026-02. Uh, the property is located at 1018

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White Horse Pike, uh, block 526, lot 1820 and 21. Uh, I represent Roberto Perez. Uh, he's the managing member of 1018 White Horse Pike LLC, who is the current owner of this property. Uh

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Roberto bought this uh early in 2025. Uh we do have a conforming certificate of filing from Pinelands. Their application number is 2025-0190. one um the uh the only condition that

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was contained in the certificate of filing was that the Pineelands Commission is requiring that we are going to merge these two lots by a consolidation deed. So lots 18 20 and 21 uh will be consolidated by deed. uh I'll

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contact the assessor uh and uh uh get the new lot number and we'll provide evidence of the recording of that deed in the Atlantic County Clerk's Office uh to Donna for your permanent file. Uh this is an application for site plan a

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preliminary and final site plan approval for the property. We are proposing um a uh commercial use on the first floor of the existing building. Uh this is an old building was built in 1920. It's located

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near highway commercial zone. So the uh we're proposing a tattoo parlor there. So that service is a permitted use in the uh in the HC zone. We are also proposing a second floor residential use

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and we were not 100% certain whether or not that would be permitted in the zone. uh your engineer has issued a report indicating that in his opinion, although there is some language in your ordinance that suggests that uh second floor

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residential uses uh are encouraged in certain ways, in this particular zone, the second uh uh second floor residential use can only be a permitted use if it's for senior citizen housing. And we were not we were not proposing

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that. So the uh the application for the second floor residential use would require a use variance and because that requires a super majority of five

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preferable votes um uh we would like uh the board's cooperation to allow us to uh continue that aspect of the application uh to the next board meeting without further

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notice and hopefully at that time uh we will have seven voting members uh to hear and decide on the use variance application uh only. So, if it's agreeable with the board and your solicitor, I'd like to limit tonight's

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uh application to just the preliminary and final site plan approval for the tattoo parlor on the first floor of the existing structure. Uh is does that sound workable to the board?

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>> Uh Ryan, are are you good with that, Ryan? Yeah, I think that makes perfect sense. Um because the the site plan um is sort of independent from the use variance for the residential second floor site plan is parking, landscaping and circulation

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and things like that. So I think that any issues that would arise from the second floor residential could be dealt with separately when we have a second. >> Any comments from the board on that? Tom, uh, before you go, uh, chairman,

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uh, Tom, I just want to ask you when you noticed, uh, and I'm sorry, I'm Gary bring it up now to confirm, but did you notice for a Dvarian? >> Yes, we did indicate in the in the notice that there was a question about

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what type of variance would be necessary for that. >> So, so, uh, we would ask the board if we could get a continuence, uh, without further notice. that uh Mr. Chairman that would be acceptable for my purposes uh since it was noticed that we can

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announce at the ne for the next meeting that this application will be continued. >> Okay. Thank you, Damon. Is there anybody from the board that would like to comment on that? No comments. Okay. So, I guess we'll go with that then. We'll go with the next meeting. We'll do the rest of it.

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>> Thank you, board members. Uh thank you, Damon. Uh what I'm going to do is uh we'll do BCM to do a brief overview of the existing conditions and then we'll get Bob Bruce uh brought into the uh the mix here and Bob will explain the

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proposed improvements uh that we're proposing for this site. >> You want me to share my screen so you can see the plans? >> I'm sorry. >> You want me to share? I have the plans pulled up. You want me to share my screen so I can pl >> Uh yeah, that would be great. Thank you. Right.

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>> Do we need a motion from the board to move the uh the variance application to the next meeting or >> we could do Okay, I'll do a a motion on that. Does anyone have a motion to to motion? >> I'll offer the motion. Todd,

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>> second. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All All in favor? I >> I >> I >> I improve appro uh uh uh anybody against that?

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Okay. It's it's uh so be it. We'll do it that way. >> Okay. That and that was a motion to bifurcate the application. >> So >> yes, the next meeting. >> Yep. Yes. >> Okay. Uh so you can see on the screen here, this is uh site plan sheet one. Uh

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that's part of Bob Roose's site plan uh that he submitted to the board. Sort of in the center left, you can see that the property uh fronts on the White Horse Pike and has frontage on Boston Avenue and also has frontage on the uh alley,

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the 30 foot wide terrace. And the structure itself uh exists uh and is located on the terrace. Would you would Ryan would you be able to switch to sheet? There we go. sheet two. Uh, >> zoom in 72.

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>> This this shows the this shows the proposed conditions, but I'll just desri I'll describe what's existing. Uh, tent Terrace is a uh improved uh city street. Uh, you can see the commercial building uh located fronts on the terrace. It has

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a uh pre-existing nonconforming front yard. uh that's a uh existing condition which is protected uh under statute because it predates the ordinance. Uh so uh we have if the board is inclined that

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they want to grant a variance uh to to uh completely legalize that. I'll leave that up to the board and council. But again uh uh it's a it's a pre-existing non-conforming condition. Uh you can see on the sketch that Ryan has up there's a parking lot and a driveway that runs

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from Boston Avenue to Tent Terrace that that are new improvements. Uh the existing driveway just comes off of 10th Terrace sort of dead dead ends right next to the building itself. Uh the property is 160 ft wide along 10th

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Terrace and Boston Avenue and it's 150 ft wide along the White Horse Pike and the common property line with the neighbor next door. Uh we have city water and city sewer. Uh the proposal

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here is to uh uh make the first floor of of the building uh a commercial tattoo parlor. So that's uh that sort of summarizes the existing conditions. Uh Bob, you want to weigh in on what we're

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proposing from an engineering standpoint? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? >> I can't. Yes. >> Just wanted to make sure I've I've got you on my phone. I've got you on my

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Maybe this I'm getting feedback here. There you go. Is this any better? >> That's better. Much better. >> I had you on the phone in the computer. I just want to make sure I got that. Anyway, good evening.

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Yes, as Tom mentioned, we're in the corner of The way Terrace across Tent Terrace is the Walgreens on on our site. We do have an existing

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building as Tom mentioned in an access from 10th Paris. The project proposes to provide a additional parking area so that we conform to the ordinance by providing a through drive to Boston.

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Excuse me. And Boston will be a two-way exit and entry from Ten's Terrace were one way in. We provide a total of 13 parking spaces

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along the drive through the property and along the common property line and three others with the handicap space towards the white horse. Uh our our site include the curb and the

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curve surround and then a larger retention basin towards the white horse. the seasonal high water was unfriendly and that it was close to the surface.

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So, we needed the area for for the basin. Uh the basin will cause us to remove some existing trees. There are several dead trees on the site.

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uh landscaping along Boston. Uh we're proposing to dress that up and sort of leave that the way it exists. uh with respect to our our neighbor and

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now we're we have three fronts 10th white horse bike in Boston and then we have a neighbor there's an existing chainlink fence there and we have we're able to provide about a three-foot grass

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area down that common property. Um the site lighting is proposed to light the 10th terrace 10 10th terrace

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from uh building mounted fixture and then we place a 24 foot high mounted fixture which is less the building is 28t high and we're less than that uh

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requirement. Uh the I I think that pretty much sums it up. >> Bob, quick question for you. The neighbor that you uh talked about uh on the uh left side of the the sketch that

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we're looking at, that is not a residential use. That's a commercial building. Is that correct? >> That's correct. to the building on the other side of the fence and then they access to their site.

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>> Yes, >> m Mr. Chairman. >> Yes, I'm I'm having trouble hearing Mr. Bruce. I see that he has uh his name is on the screen twice. Mr. Bruce, is it possible that you have two uh open and

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and you could mute the other one? I I think it's giving you feedback. I don't I don't I only see him one time. I don't see it twice. >> Bring up the list, Todd. And And is he in there twice? >> Yeah, he's in there twice.

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>> Okay. So, mute the one that is in all caps. >> Yeah, you can do that. The meeting the meeting chairman can can mute him possibly. >> Let me uh let me try that, Jack. Jack, I'm pretty impressed with your with your uh understanding of this

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high-tech world we're we're in. >> I don't I don't understand anything. I'm just making it sound like I do. >> Just make an observation. >> Okay. Well, >> yeah, he's he's got to he's mute and turn the audio off on the computer because I when he's got audio, it's even

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back in one. Yeah, I I turned my computer off. >> Okay. We ideally now >> that won't be a problem. Is this okay here? >> Yes, that's much better. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sorry about I just signed in twice. I

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wanted to make sure I got here. >> So, uh Bob, just a couple quick questions. at the at the present time uh there there is no real designated parking area uh for uh this building. Is that correct?

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>> That's true. You pull onto the site and there is a gravel area sort of in front of the building that extends the length of the building. But there it is not paved, it's not marked, there are no wheel stops, uh etc. >> Okay. And also there are no on-site

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drainage facilities uh for this property. Is that correct? >> You're correct. >> Okay. Uh in your opinion as an engineer, Bob, would you say that the proposed site plan improvements that you have on your site plan are substantial upgrades to this existing commercial building?

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>> Yes. I think the the upgrades provide the necessary parking uh lighting, storm water management uh for the site. Yes. >> Okay. And Bob, uh, uh, Ryan McGowan, the board engineer, uh, prepared a very

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comprehensive, uh, engineering review, uh, of the site plan. Uh, he had numerous comments and concerns about things like landscaping and the, uh, the technical details of the drainage facilities that were designed. Um, do

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you feel comfortable that you can work with Ryan uh to resolve those uh landscaping and and engineering issues if the board is agreeable that they will uh grant uh the site plan approval

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subject to uh your our being able to comply with all Ryan's comments in his report? Ryan and I have worked together on the past on other applications that I have submitted and we in fact reviewed this

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particular application this afternoon and I feel we have a good understanding of what I need to do to satisfy Ryan with respect to his requirements. >> Okay. And just so that you understand,

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Bob, and also Roberto, you're online. If for some reason there's a conflict or a difficulty with the review process where uh you can't satisfy Ryan on these details, uh you know, we'd have to come back to the board and uh have the board

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review that uh is that your understanding? >> Well, yeah, I don't anticipate that at all, but yes, that >> Okay. All right. Good. Um, what else, Bob? Anything else that you

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want to point out to the board on the site plan? I think with respect to the landscaping, um, we could plant some trees in the vicinity of the basin between the parking sort of to, uh, meet a

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requirement there for a parking area, but between the landscaping that that's there and the landscaping that we're going to leave, uh, I'd be happy to to meet in in the field and decide if they're if the area

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needs to be supplemented. Yes. >> Okay, good. Uh they're going to be installing curbon sidewalk on Boston where we have the two-way entrance. Uh yes, >> the uh the White Horse Pike is already fully developed. Uh is there any access

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uh proposed out to the Pike? >> No. >> No. None. And on Ted Terrace, uh you know, the terrace is sort of narrow. Uh it is it is paved. Um I I I think you had an on-site meeting

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with Ryan about the issue of curbon sidewalk on the terrace itself. Do you recall what you guys had decided >> uh about the terrace? I think the plan reflects what we decided in that we'd

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apply provide a one-way entrance from 10th terrace the site and we would provide a concrete well an apron and curb returns. Yes. >> Mhm. Okay.

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Anything else, Bob? >> I I think we should mention the trash enclosure in that uh the application proposed a private hauler. However, uh we should mention we want to conform to the city's

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ordinance with respect to trash enclosures. And there's yeah, plenty of room on site to have an exterior trash and recycling enclosure >> enclosure. With respect to the

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freestanding sign, uh we the the plan says uh also a space available and a phone number that's going to be removed from the plan. That was a thought of the owner. I don't know but

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that will be removed and we would modify the building mounted signs in that they will be 2 ft high maximum and there will be only two. One will be mounted on 10th terrace and one will be

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mounted on the front of the building as you come on to the site. We had requested I think four but we would propose two and I will provide the areas conforming to the ordinance and the height of the

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ordinance. >> Anything else Bob? Uh well I was just looking I don't think so unless you have something having reviewed the letter I feel there if I haven't mentioned something that we

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can satisfy the Ryan's requirement. >> Okay. >> Uh I think that concludes our presentation for the moment. Mr. Chairman, >> you're muted, Todd. Todd, I think your voice is muted. >> Me? >> No.

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>> Yes. No. Todd was muted. >> Todd, can you hear us? Shake your head. >> Yeah, I can hear you. I I was trying. I was pushing the button like crazy, man. Um, before I go on to Ryan, is there anybody

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from the board who has any questions? Uh, ju just to clarify, Mr. Bruce, you you will be constructing the the a trash enclosure. >> Oh, yes, we insist.

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>> Okay. But the the uh uh Ryan's review letter said that there was no trash enclosure proposed. I'm just clarifying that you will indeed have a trash enclosure. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Great. I take it that'll be on the uh

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neighbor's side of the of the uh parking lot, I would say. Right. As I'm just looking, I'm just guessing. >> I I somewhere in there to see it behind the building from 10th Terrace right there in the general vicinity of the parking.

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But okay. That's right. >> Work that out with you. Anybody else have any questions before I go to Ryan? >> No. Okay, Ryan, you ready? >> We already went through and sort of bifurcated. That was a the concern with

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the proposed residential above. We'll sort of split that off for the following meeting. Uh one thing Tom mentioned was the existing non-conforming condition from front yard setback ter. Okay. Um

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the other the other thing that we highlighted zoning table was um the wall signs were proposed to being 3 ft in height. Bob already covered that they're going to reduce the wall signs to a two foot height. So this will switch from acquired bars to conform as long as they

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do not the technical review. I'll save this whole section for the next meeting use uh site plan design. Um couple things I just want to not go through them all but um these are all ordinance requirements.

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So I tried to highlight the ordinance section as applies and then applies to this specific application was missing. Um so I I noted the applicant doesn't have a dedicated pedestrian area to the building on a small site like this. That's pretty typical. Um so but I just

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wanted to highlight that. The other wasn't fully clear until I spoke to Bob today was that um there's concrete proposed around the perimeter of the building here. So there'll be access provided around the building. Excuse me. Way to get from the stall

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here up to switches on the side of the building. They didn't provide a loading space on the site plan. Um that's a gen a general requirement um for this specific use of the zone. um it's not necessarily

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required, but we wanted the applicant to talk about um deliveries of materials, loading or loading. I can't imagine it's a tractor trailer making deliveries for a tattoo par. If the applicant could explain how deliveries are handled, you know, when he anticipates the largest

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vehicle and the duration for the delivery, I think that would help the board to better understand whether space would be appropriate. Mr. president or or Darcy in staff. >> Uh Roberto, can you describe for the

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board uh what type of deliveries and what size delivery trucks you would anticipate uh coming to the site and you know how often uh you would anticipate that that kind of traffic. Any deliveries we have are typically

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standard parcel Amazon delivery. Um, small packages, nothing major where there's box trucks sitting for a long period of time or anything like that. >> There's no real like retail component um, you know, associated with just

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strictly service and you know selling packet twists or anything like that. I'm sorry, Ryan. Was that a question? I I I I didn't pick it up. >> Yes, I was just making sure there's there's not like a retail component. You're not like there's no shelves to

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stock. There's no, you know, nothing like that. I just want to clarif that that that's correct. This is basically a service operation. Uh uh, you know, tattoo parlor. How many employees will be there? How many employees are going to be on the in

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the building at one time? Is it just him? >> Roberto, can you answer that? How many employees uh do you anticipate would be there during the uh eight hour shift? And how many days a week would you be open?

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So it would be open like seven days a week and then we have five service providers including myself. So the most that would be would be five of us. >> Are are you doing walk-ins also or is this appointment only?

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>> Majority of our business is appointmentbased. Um if there's an artist available there will take a walk in. There's not typically a lot um a lot of opportunity for that. They they do try to stay pretty busy, which we're

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hoping for. >> Okay, Ryan, I didn't mean to interrupt you. If you got more, go ahead. >> No, I think um I think the partner question to that is anticipating the hours of operation. >> Yeah. Uh >> I'm sorry.

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>> Yeah. So, go ahead, Tom. Uh, I I'm sorry. You said seven days a week. What What would be your hours on those various days, Roberto? >> Since we are primarily by appointment, um, they will vary, but, um, the

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earliest being 9:00 a.m. Um, latest it could be about 10 p.m.ish. So, we really rarely have anyone there that late. There's not a specific prohibition for operation. We just like to, you know, document

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the file so that the code enforcement has an understanding of the future. Um, okay. So, moving on. Landscaping of parking lots is a requirement of the site plan design standards. Um, there were no trees proposed as part of the

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application. There wasn't like a a full landscaping plan. Um, I believe Mr. Bruce mentioned that in his outlining of the project. There are a number of large trees on site. There are some that need to be removed. Um I believe that the city also has a tree

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replacement ordinance. So we'll have to account for the trees that are removed to make sure that they're replaced on site as presented. There's ample room on site for that. So I don't think that'll be an issue. We'll have to make sure match up.

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Um the the applicant is required to have a lighting plan that conforms with IE standards. Um they provide a lighting plan that Bob can speak to to the best of your knowledge. Will this conform with IE lighting standards?

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>> Bob, can you uh uh provide some comments on the proposed lighting for the site? Yeah. Well, we have shown some lighting contours on the site. Uh we could entertain putting another light towards the Boston exit freestanding fixture. It

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might light that exit area a little better. >> I can demonstrate that to Brian. I mean to Ryan. Brian. >> Um just just so we understand the plan. We have a proposed light fixture here kind of eliminating the lot.

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>> Yeah. Once it >> Yeah. So, one here, >> we would add one. See where the double arrows are going out towards Boston. Mhm. >> The other end right in there. Add one

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right in. >> Just so you have a little more even lighting across the the site. Okay. Yeah, I think that would be that would be helpful because I think over time you're going to end up with minimal lighting at the exit entrance. I do think it would be helpful like this

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drive. >> Yeah, I agree. Um, okay. So, next item in the ordinance was screening. Um, so the the ordinance in in multiple locations, I'll I'll sort of cover them all here, requires that parking areas be screened. Um,

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there's also a requirement for a five- foot buffer along property lines um for setbacks. Uh, since the neighboring use is commercial, um, and I think the parking lot geometry uses this this space about as tight as possible. It's got the minimal uh drive aisle width

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here and space depth um and then minimal you know 5 foot width off the building frontage. So I think that the layout makes sense. Um but you know some kind of visual screening along the side helps to comply with the board feels about that

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high >> sorry trash enclosure refuge disposal we talked about um Mr. Mr. Bruce, they will add a trash enclosure. Um, but just for for everyone's sake on the call, I I think Mr. Bruce will be somewhere on here on the site where we can see my

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mouse on the screen. >> So seemed like up in there. >> Okay. >> Yeah, the truck I'm thinking of the guy picking it up, but it's going to be a

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garbage can basically, >> right? So having the zoom mean? >> Yeah. Because of what I have now. >> So I I don't think you need um you know you won't be a full runoff enclosure anymore. But if you have an enclosure out here and they can wheel the cans out

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to the terrace um rather than you know have the frontage here where you have homes. >> Definitely not. >> Exactly. Exactly. It wouldn't make sense to be on the Boston Avenue having frontage. It wouldn't make sense to be in front of the building. So I I think somewhere in that in the space back here

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is probably the most logical location by >> Okay. >> Okay. So next would be uh street trees. So there's a requirement to plant tree street trees based on the frontage. Um

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you know we talked about the tree replacement ordinance that's that's also required. So, I think we'll have to work um work together on a landscape package that makes sense. Um this covers trees as well. This is the landscaping strip, the five foot

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landscaping that we discussed along the side here. Um let's see. You addressed the light standards. You said the height would be uh 24T and the building was approximately 28. Is that correct? >> Yes, 28T is the height of the building.

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closer line. >> Okay. So then so the light standard is lower than the height of the building which is um addressed this one. We had a maximum height of two feet for the signs where 3 ft proposed that we modified down maximum height of two feet.

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Um, another element is that um for freestanding signs, the ordinance requires um landscaping plantings around the signable to add in those.

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>> We can do that. Next requirement is again sort of highlighting um landscaping a 5ft perimeter around the parking lot with um vegetation buffering. Um the next one is the number of trees

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required based on number of spaces. So um more than 10 parking spaces I'm sorry more than 11 parking spaces must be admin one disrous tree per six parking spaces. and then again landscaping section want to work together landscaping

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package there and the last requirement in that landscaping section was the trash closure which we've already covered okay so moving into general comments these are not specifically tied to a section of the ordinance um Mr. Bruce

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already clarified uh what the space available uh and prospective business uh signs were that they would be moved. Uh the concern I expressed was that it indicated that the building would be support for multiple commercial leases.

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Um but that is not what's being proposed. Is that correct, Mr. T? >> Yes. Single single commercial. Yes. So, just wanted to clarify that um the total square footage of the building mounted signs um

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was um we just couldn't tell how many how many faces of the building that we were going to be on. Um Mr. Bruce, I think you said it would be on the the Route 30 frontage. Was it also proposed on any other frontage or

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the building signs? Bob, Bob, can you comment on the building mountain sides, please? >> Yeah, there will be two. One that in will face 10th terrace and one will be on the front facade of the building as

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you come down the driveway. They'll be 2 feet high and their square footage will conform to the ordinance. >> So, it be the Boston Avenue frontage and the 10th Terrace frontage. Is that correct? >> They they will not have signage.

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>> Okay. So just just on the route 30 >> not building mounted. No, >> right. Okay. Um Oh. Um so one sort of suggestion that I

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made was that um that because of the nature of the uh ground shallow groundwater table this basin is very large relative to the size of the site. Um so the the suggestion I made is to um consider a small scale bio retention system or another uh basin type that

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incorporates vegetation because an infiltration basin uh the the entire bottom of this basin will just be sand to be maintained sand. Um there are other types that function similarly but incorporate um plantings so it wouldn't

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have to just be a giant sand pit um you know 20 ft off of brick third. So for present that for consideration again that wouldn't necessarily be mortgage requirement but um you know I think it might might help the the

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applicant maintain a long term to maintain this as just a bearing sand you know bottom it's going to be difficult um next two comments are just very technical in nature very Mr. social just language differences between reporting

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calculations. Um there was a minimum time of concentration used instead of the calculated. So we talked about that I don't think that had a huge impact on the calculations. Um another suggestion I made is to consider expiltration during routing

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calculations which means taking credit for water going down into ground during a storm event. Uh the BNP manual allows for that as 2023. So that might help reduce the basin footprint a little bit and help you know preserve some of the rest of the site which the city in

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addition to helping navigate the city to see to try to minimize you know basically footprints on their commercial number eight number nine and 10 just have to deal with making sure we're infiltrating the right volume

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about center for that. Um the one of the basins there's a detail submission to the other sheet where the the freeboard for the basin is um

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minimal I'll say. Um so the elevation where the spillway is is about 5610 and then the elevation of the top of the bank was only a little more than an inch higher. Um so I I asked Mr. Bruce to to run some calculations to demonstrate the potential maximum depth of water over

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the spillway uh to make sure that you know the water elevation doesn't need to exceed the base elevation. Um so the spillways were intend function as intended just sort of spill out. So that's that's something work out.

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Number 12 was just a typo and set up that corrected. Number 13 is just information that we didn't we didn't get in the package that was submitted. So by that uh not have to provide a maintenance plan not often filed with the team. U that's usually

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good to just hold off until the entire storm manager plan is done and finalized because the plan is very specific to details. So I really wanted for that to be the last thing. Uh number 15 again just on the information that Dylan submitted. Uh the 16 and the next couple

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will have to do with um grading and site and spoke to Mr. Bruce today about this a little bit. I think that the the depressed bird location will probably have to be relocated. Um and the one thing that stood out to me is that the

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grade at the front of the building was a little bit lower than the grade back curb. Um, so obviously we see range away from the building. So I think that that's all easily correctly

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south parking lot. There's no just a spot here. It's 5650 here. So just make sure to to the press curve being adjusted and flush with grass. and uh voting space was the last comment

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that I had sort of went through that the business will function should not require loading space. Um in the event that this business were to change to retail or something else that would require deliveries uh that would not be

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larger than say a passenger vehicle. Um there's actually more parking is required by ordinance. know what's there's potential that one of those can be converted in the learning space if that becomes silly in the future you know I application was proposing

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something specific but the board members always to look ahead is you know is the site still functional if if something else were to come to so I always try to address stuff like that so that's it for for technical comments

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for me. Um in our recommendation section um what we suggest is if the board is comfortable with the site plan um as it's presented um and would like to see adjustments to the landscaping package um and obviously the curly management will be adjusted to deal with them

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administratively. uh the board could you know provide a condition with the approval um that the oper would have to return to the board if the uh redesign required the basin's horizontal extent to be enlarged. So like if the basic footprint needed to grow for some reason um we're going to have to come back

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because that that is a direct impact on the site plan but if the horizontal extents stay the same or we're able to shrink a little bit and the depth of basin doesn't increase by more than a foot or so um you know it's not really anything that rises to the level that we

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need to come back to the board if you guys are comfortable with that. That was my suggestion to be able to allow the applicant to to sort out those details without having to come back to the board if it's not something that impacts you plan

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necessarily. So, so that's it for me unless there questions. >> Uh, does anybody from the board have any questions? Nobody. Uh,

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I guess we could hear from the public. Is there anybody out there on the public that would like to say something? >> Yes, I would. It's N Galloway. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes, I can hear you. Uh, does she have

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to be sworn in, Mr. Tiner? You're muted. You're muted, Damon. >> I solemnly swear to tell the truth, so help me God. >> All right. So, there is a motion open to the public and uh Miss Galloway being

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sworn, uh you may proceed. >> Thank you. Uh I just um this is kind of like the first um development application that we've had before your board uh since we adopted our u shade tree replacement ordinance. And I just

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wanted to remind the board that you really should check with the um the new ordinance requirements. Um I see is there is this lot um wooded Bob, Bob, you want uh the uh Miss Galloway

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asked if the lot is wooded. Could you describe the existing conditions on the property? >> Yes, it's not wooded in in in the sense that it's a vacant lot out in the middle of town, the city. Uh we have clearing on

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the site. deciders has any number of trees on it along the White Horse Pike in Boston Avenue in that corner of of the lot. Uh there's a large oak tree as you come in from onto

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the lot and along Boston there are some trees and shrubs but it's I to say wooded I don't know but to say it contains significant vegetation I would say it does.

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>> Yeah. Do you >> you're going to be removing trees then? There are trees there that you're going to have to tear down. >> Oh yeah. There are some that are dead. >> So, we have a requirement that that they be replaced. I would suggest that you contact our city arborist

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early as possible. He's here for another two weeks before uh he leaves. So, he can walk you through all that. >> Could I get her name and phone number? >> Yeah, it's Jerry Barbario and you can reach him at city hall. I'll I can get

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you the number. >> Okay, I'll call. Is that isn't that something that Ryan isn't that something that Ryan should be able to handle? >> Uh yeah, it should make sure that you're following the >> coach his report. So I just wanted to mention >> adding another person in the mix.

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Jerry's on his way out the door, so it might be might be a waste of time to go through Jerry is all I'm saying. >> Ryan, didn't you? >> Agreed. >> Well, he knows stuff and he'll be he's working for another two weeks. So that's why I suggest that that Mr. Bruce contact him >> like as soon as he can. So Jerry can,

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you know, scope out the property and make his recommendations. >> Ryan, isn't that in your report? You had covered trees in your report. >> So we we covered the all the landscaping plantings um based on the the previous ordinance requirements. Um the tree

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replacement ordinance um is actually not in the code book using quite yet. So I I did not incorporate any um new requirements for the tree replacement. Um but there as we discussed sort of that length um you know I think a larger

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landscaping package um with plannings along the side of the parking and tree replacement um is what's going to be required. Looking through it looks about six to eight trees are proposed to be removed. Um some very large diameter there's a 72 in plus or minus tree

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that's indicated beyond. >> Is that tree scheduled for take down Ryan? >> Uh well just based off Mr. Bruce's plan. He's got 72inch tree and this this TBR in brackets typically is to be removed. So he has a 72inch tree to be removed

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here, a 48 inch tree to be removed here, 12 in here, 36 in here. So in within the footprint of the basin, you're going to have to remove all trees. Um he's preserving a 48 inch here. Um so and there's a couple other 18 incher tree

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over here. Um but again there'll be a fairly large portion of the site available to plantings. They'll be able to plant some in between the basin and parking lot itself. They'll be able to plant some with here and then some along the Boston Avenue frontage. So I think there's plenty of room to make the appropriate uh you know street tree

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plantings, parking lot plantings and replacement plantings. Um you know we'll make sure that the numbers match up with the required and species as well. Anyone else than that? Do you have anything else?

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>> Uh, no. Just u keep an eye on the um banned species and the approved species too. >> No Bradford pears. >> Okay. Well, we're in Pineland, so we're limited to Pineland's species.

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>> Well, we can help you with that. No. Okay, I can read. E, thank you. >> All right. Is there anybody else from the public again? Anybody from the board have anything to say?

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Uh, I guess we're looking for a motion. Can anyone make a motion? >> Motion. >> And that's a just to confirm a motion to approve preliminary and final site plan approval.

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>> Yes. >> Second. >> I'll second it. Okay. >> Second it. Call a question. Say it again, Damon. I'm sorry. >> I said properly moved and second. Any

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questions? Seeing none, hearing none, you want to do a roll call vote? >> Well, the >> ready. >> We want we want to do the motion in a positive uh >> Yeah, it's a motion to approve

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preliminary and final site plan approval. >> Okay. Donna, could you do a roll call, please? >> Yes. >> Mayor Chimp Petty, >> yes. >> Mr. Gar, >> yes.

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>> Mr. Peterson, >> yes. >> Mr. McKenna, >> yes. >> Mr. Walker, >> yes. >> And Mr. Hess, >> yes. >> Thank you, board members. Thank you, professionals.

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Yeah. >> And uh Ryan, thanks for facilitating the uh the Zoom meeting uh doing all the work with the site plan. We appreciate that. >> I'd like to thank the professionals for coming to us with a with a good plan and

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answered most all the questions before we even had to ask them. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good luck, Mr. Perez. >> Thank you, everyone. and I appreciate it. >> Thank you, Tom.

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>> Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Tom. >> Good luck. >> Same here. Thank you. >> Okay. So, >> Madame Secretary, uh, and Mr. Chair, I guess you have two announcements.

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uh that this application will be continued at the next regularly scheduled meeting to for a uh devariance use variance application and

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uh madam secretary did you want to announce that the the at that meeting uh the second application that was originally scheduled for tonight will also be heard? >> Yes, it will. Okay. And could you just say that

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application for the record? >> Um the application that will be heard um at the July meeting which will be on a second will be July 21st.

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The application will be application number 2026-03 DMB White Pike LLC uh located at 26 White Horse Pike, E Harbor City. >> Very good.

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>> So, that will be heard. Those two applications will be heard. And uh Mr. Chairman, uh I'll turn it back over to you for any other business. Thank you. Uh, old business, we have none. Council

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report, we don't have a council report tonight. Is there anybody out in the public that would like to have another comment or anything that they'd like to questions answered or anything like that? Okay, I guess we're good there. Uh,

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questions and comments from the board. All right. Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Very good. >> Thank you everybody. Have a great evening. >> Thank you. You too.

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>> Have a good night. All right, Donna.