Let's go ahead and get started. >> The planning the planning and zoning committee meeting for January 26, 2026 is called to order at 8:37 p.m. We're going to do a moment of silent meditation.
Pledge to the flag of the United States of America to the stands nation indivisible. Chair Vice, Vice Chair Martin >> present. Member Urban >> present.
>> Member Winters >> present. >> Member Lifewood Ward also present. For the record, Janice Jacovi um village clerk Joseph Keller village attorney and u future soon to be started. David Roseman, village manager.
>> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate that. um for the approve the agenda. Uh E2 and E3 you all are residents with you know smaller um items than E1. So if it's no
um with you guys can we put E2 and E3 before doing >> second. All say I >> I say hearing none. Um the agenda item we're going to E2. This is 12 Northwest
86th Street. Um is the resident for 12 Northwest 86th Street. Uh can you is Miss Ham. Miss Ham. Miss Ham, you come on up. >> Mayor, if we're beginning, let me go
ahead. >> Absolutely. Will everyone who's going to provide testimony tonight, that is, you're welcome to to sit here, but if you're going to testify to something, please rise. >> I don't have something to say, but if
you're here, you have to be sworn. So, please raise your right hand. Public comment, too. >> Yes. >> Um, and just repeat after me, please. And listen, you can get sworn in. Doesn't If you change your mind, you don't have to
talk, but if you're planning to talk, you do need to get sworn in because we keep a record. This is a quasi judicial procedure. So, raise your right hand. Repeat after me. I >> state your names
>> do hereby solemnly swear >> that the testimony I will give tonight >> the testimony I will give tonight >> will be the truth >> the truth. >> Whole truth >> whole truth. Nothing but the truth. >> And either so help me God or you may
take an affirmation. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> This is for the Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Um Miss H2 Northwest 86 Street, please explain it to us and uh
and talk to us about any conditions. >> Yes. Um, this application is request um requesting a variance to convert a garage to a living area within an existing residence at 12 Northwest 86th Street. The applicant is also expanding
the home. This site is 10,100 ft in size and currently contains a home built in 1947 and the proposed residential use is permitted within this um within this code. The proposed garage conversion will create a new bedroom bedroom and
bathroom. The the home's front facade will be renovated for an updated look. The proposed home addition will create 257 square ft home in total with four bedrooms and three bathrooms and will include an updated facade and a new
driveway. An additional 634 ft will be added to the house's footprint. The home was reviewed under the code's development standards and found to be consistent and garage conversions are allowed by code through the variance process. Off- streetet parking is
provided in the existing driveway. And with that, um, staff does recommend approval for this variance to allow for this garage conversion and for a site plan application. >> Thank you very much, Miss H. I appreciate that. Any questions or comments from the committee
hearing? Seeing none. Any questions, comments from the audience about this particular item? Uh 12 Northwest 86 garage. Seeing none, back to the committee. Do I have a motion to move by
member Winter? Sorry. Oh, member Winter. Second the micro board. Uh second by member Irv. >> Winters. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Martin, >> yes.
>> Nerson, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to none. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Um can you really quickly when you get a chance uh see the clerk and she'll just kind of give you a couple of things um
before you leave just just the next item you guys is so this is 157 northwest 88 street a new site plan >> yes this application is requesting site plan approval for construction of a new single family residence at 147 Northwest
88th Street. The site is 9,800 ft in size and the current home is built was built in 1939. The proposed residential use is permitted under this chapter and the proposed home is to be one story and 3,300 ft in size. It will have four
bedrooms and three bathrooms, a onecar garage, a wooden deck, and a pool in the backyard are included in the site plan. The home was reviewed under the code's development standards and found to be consistent and they are requesting no variances. This proposed design for this
new residential residence is mid-century modern type architecture with its proportions are in scale and compatible with those in the neighborhood. For that um staff is recommending approval for this new construction with one condition that um they need derm
approval for the demolition of the current house. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Is the uh All right. Um questions or comments from the council? Hearing seeing none. Any questions or
comments about 157 Northwest from the audience? Hearing seeing none. Do I have a motion to approve? Moved by council person or member Lightoot. Second >> second by member Winters.
>> Roll call. Uh member like board. >> Member Winters. >> Yes. >> Member Irvine. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Martin. >> Yes. >> Chair Nickerson. >> Yes. >> Motion passes five and up. >> Thank you very much again. Make sure you see the clips before you leave tonight.
Next, we will be back to E1. You guys want to 205 North Police 87 Streetful Miss has there been any adjustments since the last meeting that was? >> No, the application is um presented to
to you today the same exact as it was um at the previous planning and then the board committee meeting. >> Um so there's no adjustment with that. Thank you very much. Can I please have the soulful representatives uh come up?
And while they're doing that, you guys had a um a presentation come over. Um while you guys are setting up, we're going to have somebody that wants to say something very quickly. This is not public for the comment yet, but um they spoke to us beforehand and we're gonna
give an opportunity to speak. Attorney Galla, Attorney G. Yes, sir. This is your time to listen. Also, >> yes. >> Hi, good evening. Amanda, office is at 1395 Brickle Sweet 800 here on behalf of Greg Spear. Um I would like to
respectfully request a deferral tonight and I would just like to do that as a point of procedure early on. Um because a a couple of reasons, but uh you can see that this project is one of the biggest projects that's come to the village in in a long time. That site has
been um you know uh not used since for many years uh probably almost 20 years. So it is going to have a significant impact on the village. you see by the turnout here tonight that you have significant interest from the village and I was really surprised. I did reach out to Mr. Fernandez earlier today and I
don't think that a town hall type meeting has been held advertised publicly advertised to invite residents to come ask questions have a dialogue talk about the traffic talk about their concerns. Um while these forums are are great for vetting public comment there is time limitation and it's less of a
dialogue with the developer. I mean in in the case of a town hall it could be the developer and the residents only uh just having that dialogue and trying to address the concerns. So to the extent that the board would consider u deferring for just until the next meeting with a direction to the applicant to hold a town hall for the
residents that would be uh much appreciated. So, with that being said, um, attorney G, you have anything you want to add? >> I'm I'm sorry, Mayor. What's your question? Do you have anything that you want to add? >> Did you switch with me? You stuck me
with this mic. Mayor, um, I'll just say this for the benefit of the council. Uh the request is in order. It's proper to ask you. You don't have to grant the request. We
don't know how long the proceeding will take. In any case, it's conceivable that you could not finish depending on how late you're willing to go. Um you are you have the power to grant a
continuence or an adjournment upon request. You also have the power to move forward with what is scheduled and and listen to the presentation. You have the power to hear the whole presentation to hear questions and
ultimately vote to defer or vote on the item is presented to you. It's it's basically entirely in your hands. It's a it's a a proper request. The applicant wants to proceed forward. That's also a proper request.
Uh if someone wanted to make a motion, it would be in order. It would be subject to being seconded, discussed, debated, and it would be subject to hearing comment from the public about it. Um but again, you can also defer
that decision. Oh, look at that. Stopped ringing. You can also defer the decision on whether or not you want to take the final vote or or uh uh defer until after the presentation and you hear what the applicant has to say and uh and hear
from residents as well. So basically I'm just saying it's entirely in your hands as to how you wish to proceed in the discretion belongs to the village council. >> Thank you attorney. Do you have any questions? coming from the council
before I go back to presentation hearing. Seeing none, um you heard uh the options that we have and we have those options open throughout the hearing. Um, you guys have a presentation. >> Do we have a recording going on? That's a proper recording. We do have a
recording going. I know there was an issue. Somebody got in an accident. >> Yes. But we are we are okay because we do need to keep a record. Thank you. >> I'll get started while they're working on the uh the screen. as one of the comments that
we heard the last time it was difficult for people in the back team and so we brought in a larger screen hoping that that would help. Um my name is Laura Clo. I am representing I'm the order representative for soulful pronoun
student it's pronounced soulful um it stands for student of life for life and first and foremost I'd like to take the opportunity to thank um our council um Dr. Mayor Mr. Geller and our new city manager our
I say our um with hopes with hopes that it will be our and that we will be uh new neighbors. I have um truly been honored uh by the community for the opening of homes and for the opening of dialogues that I have been able to have
with um some residents. And um I really genuinely appreciate and look forward to hearing your comments today as well. Um as we discussed in the last meeting, we're going to go through basically what
uh what we're asking in terms of zoning and then we're going to go through based on what we heard in the last meeting, what um issues we can address from the residents.
We're not good. Okay. Um, so again, just to remind everyone in case people weren't here last time, we got it. Okay. And >> so that was the intro.
Um, Soulful is a nature earth school. Uh and through our web of life curriculum, our students explore not only literacy, mathematics, science and language, but also nature, our local ecosystem, environmentalism and sustainability, thereby empowering our students to
become environmental solutionists. We are a community of soul surfing, grateful giving, lifeloving, happy humans. And these are not only our values but our mission in education.
As I've explained previously and to some of the residents, this is why we feel Elortal is the perfect fit for our curriculum. For all of the reasons that you love Elportal for every single tree, for every bird sanctuary area, for all of
the natural habitat, for all of its beauty, that is why we are hoping to become your neighbors. Um, with that I'm going to turn it over to Jeffrey Davis who is a development partner in project and he's going to go
over some of the building information. >> It's a pleasure to meet everybody and thank you for having us to your home. I am partners with soulful. I'm the development partner and we thought it was an appropriate time for me to join
this meeting. I'm hopefully going to have an opportunity to speak to everybody on an individual basis. Anytime, contact me. I'll sit down with you and explain why we're coming to your neighborhood and hopefully having a positive impact and
we will help to make the town better and solve the problems that you're telling us so we don't create them in your town. Part of the things that we're here to talk about are what the proposed changes are for the zoning. Currently, there is a church and previously a school on site
and a residential lot next to it. So, we need to annex that residential lot into the larger site. So, that's what we're here to ask for and we're ask here to ask to approve our site plan application. Tonight's hearing is actually the first step to move that forward to a hearing where the
commission can actually vote on that. Tonight's hearing is simply the first step in that process. They will then have the ability to vote on it in the next two hearings. There's a comprehensive plan amendment that takes those two lots and combines them together. And then what in this
community, in this village, there's a special exception. Because of the size of the site, there's certain requirements we have to fit in and meet those requirements. We gave a presentation last time. So, these are some of the factors that tie into this. You can tell me how much
you want to hear from me tonight. I'm sure it's not all that much. Um, I don't know if you want us to bore you with all the details, but basically, this site sits on Northeast Second Avenue and the larger site is zone Z4, which is your
main street zoning. So, it allows for some of these things to happen. The smaller residential piece needs to be annexed into it. So, it previously operated in the context which it's going to operate into. So, we're just annexing and continuing vote. Not going to bore you with zoning. I'm not the guy you
want to hear talk forever. You want to hear everybody else talk. I'll come back and talk to you later about what we're proposing to the community. Help solve some of the issues that were brought up. All the guys that do all the fun stuff talk now. >> Hello. Uh, thanks for having us. I'm
Logan Grant. Uh I lead our construction operations at Icon. We're partnering uh with SOFUL on this project um to to deliver it. ICON I want to give a just a brief overview of who we are and what we do. Uh it's somewhat unique and I'll let Jose cover uh what specifically we're
going to be doing on the project. So we are a construction technology company. So we are a full design build um firm. We focus on robotics materials design and build. We um we're mostly known for 3D printing with concrete. Um
however, we've we've advanced materials. Um so, you know, maybe going back to robotics, our goal is to do build faster, better, more beautiful structures uh using 3D printing and high uh advanced materials, concrete in
particular. We've developed our own concrete mix to work with our robotic systems. Um so we we're really focused on high durability resilient structures. One critique of concrete is its carbon uh impact. And one of the things we
focused on is lowering the car embodied carbon in the concrete. So we have our uh we have a proprietary concrete mix that has a much lower embodied uh uh carbon. Uh it is uh called carbon X and it's a very sustainable lowcarbon uh
system to build with. So, we're really focused on building beautiful structures, making them more sustainable, and making them resilient. This is uh an image of the 3D printer system that we would be bringing to this project. We call it the Vulcan. There's a new printer that we're developing, but
uh this is our workhorse. Um you'll see it's uh set on some tracks. It's got some uh a gantry style. It on that dance floor. We can print pretty much anything. anything is possible. Uh there's a height restriction, but we're trying to uh open that up with our new
our new robots that we're putting out. So, I'll give a just a quick video so you can see it in action. It usually answers a lot of questions on how it's done. So, I'll let it play real quick. Heat. Heat. Cool. So that's just uh some yeah how we
do it. Uh this is just an image on our typical wall system. Main point is this is a fully structural reinforced concrete wall system, fully insulated. So uh really focus on high performance here. Uh one of the questions that came up last time was about hurricane and
wind resistance being here in Florida. That's import important. We've done a lot of testing. Uh hurricane and wind uh protection being one of the many tests that we've done. Um and so we've we've passed the requirements and a lot of testing that's required under Florida
building code uh and um complies with the Miami date county requirements for uh hurricane resilience. Our system also works as a tornado and hurricane storm shelter as well. And I think maybe one thing to close on is just uh as part of these tests
and here's some standards that we test against um if anyone's interested I'm happy to share more after the meeting. Um and here's just uh a visual of how that test is conducted. There you go.
Wall didn't move and the 2x4 disintegrated. So, uh, but we're very excited to be here and be partners on this project. And, um, I'll turn it over to Jose to cover some details on the architecture.
>> Good evening everybody. Uh, my name is Jose Parisio, uh, project manager uh, for a as well uh, here in Miami. Icon and Soflo have partnered with VR Engles uh referred to as BIG at the designer school. BIG is one of the uh
world's leading architecture firms and we work very closely with them to identify key sustainable uh principles into our design. As you can see, um, our, uh, architecture is really designed in a
series of canopies, connected pavilions, uh, around a very lush central courtyard, creating a strong connection between learning spaces, um, in nature kind of inside and outside. Uh this also forms uh this form promotes
a lot of light uh daylight natural ventilation and outdoor engagement while reinforcing kind of community centered campus experience. These are kind of the kind of core uh sustainability uh principles that we highlighted through our entire design uh
um process really emphasizing kind of the uh sustainability uh ecology uh food. Um and we'll see some of these images how we started to integrate this into kind of classrooms and the architecture and then very uh conscious about materiality like we've discussed
kind of iconsarian mix is carbon x which has a very low uh uh footprint footprint. So this is an image of our typical classroom. Like I'm like I said uh helps really promote a lot of uh natural
sunlight and cross ventilations through our classrooms. Kind of see here also an image kind of this farm um that'll help students really promote uh the use of of producing their own kind of vegetables and take them directly to their uh
kitchens and help prepare for their kitchen classes. This is an image that we talked about last time. We kind of heard the community concerned a little bit about the the wall. Uh we have emphasized on looking at other options to help soften
that with adding maybe vegetations, but we're really interested in working closely with the neighbors to understand how we can help reduce some of that uh that friction and avoid that kind of uh separation. So this is the site plan and
circulation. Just kind of the overall um some of the key highlights um on 88th Street. Uh that's our main entrance to the school. Uh we essentially allowed a right turn lane to accommodate up to four cars. Um, we have on-site parking
and two items that highlight from last meeting is we increased our car pooling lane to 11 vehicles and we also dedicated full uh space for student drop off to avoid any queuing um or overflow onto the rideway um on 88 street.
>> Can you show which street is >> Yeah. So the top would be 88th Street, the bottom 87th and then north and south would be second. How many are getting dropped off? >> But we have a few other slides that'll that'll highlight
>> uh parking plan. Uh just to highlight a little bit of here, one update from our last meeting is that we want to open our public parking during non-operating hours for any type of community engagement uh and things like that.
Uh just an update on the offsite parking that's up there on the north. Uh we are going to be uh opening it up to the public during nonoperating hours. >> So >> yeah. So >> yeah. So this is what we're gonna This
is what we're going to do, guys. >> Yeah. So we're going to have them do their do their presentation and then we're going to open up the public comment, but they're not going anywhere. So you can so that they can go back to any slides you want them to go back to and things like that. But we have to have a >> Sorry. >> No problem. No problem. No problem. I
love your message. You have to have a public comment. Uh portion of we're good. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right here actually. >> Good evening. My name is Juan Calderon from Saturn Engineering Group. We're the traffic consultant for this project. I
am a professional engineer, professional traffic operation engineer, roadway safety analyst. So with over 28 years of experience. So let me let me talk about the not so
fun stuff, okay, which is traffic. And we recognize that traffic affect you every day and that traffic is obviously a serious concern for the village. So the commitment of the applicant from the
beginning when they reached me was that we were going to find solutions to the different issues that this development could bring to the village. Understanding the context of the village. So I'm going to present to you the
traffic operations plan. Traffic operations plan aims always to conclude that the intersections will operate at an acceptable level of service with proposed mitigation
measures. This traffic operation plan was presented to Miami Day County as part of a methodology meeting with them to make sure that the development traffic was going to be mitigated or
find solutions that will help not only the regular vehicles but the nonmotorized traffic. And what I mean by normalize people that could end up walking into this into the school.
So there is a commitment already as part of this project that signed by the applicant with Miami Day County to operate at an acceptable level of service. For that purpose,
an eastbound right turn lane dedicated as it was shown before along a the northern entrance is being developed to make sure that it there is proper access in 87 street.
The westbound left turn lane is being extended as part of the as part of this project at the intersection of second avenue. In addition, that intersection is going to be improved with high emphasis crosswalks and what we call the lead
pedestrian interval where pedestrians are going to have priority crossing. Moreover, uh school zone is going to be implemented on Northwest Second Avenue. In the last meeting, I had the
opportunity to hear about how traffic was using Nor Avenue as a cut through for I95 with I95 has heavy demand and that you were receiving high speed on the road, the school zone and bring the
opportunity to deter traffic using second avenue. Regarding operations, >> traffic, >> regarding operations, there is a an stagger schedule
in order to make sure that not everybody goes at the same time. We have three schedules that has been accommodated as part of the project to make sure not only that the demand on the drivers are maintained
at an acceptable level but the queueing of that traffic during those schedules are mitigated as part of the process. So as it was mentioned over 11 vehicles inside the site will be accommodated on P demand and that was also part of the
analysis with Miami Day County. As you see there is also a commitment to have um to have staff around the site making sure that traffic gets
processed adequately. Last but not least, obviously all anything regarding accessibility and accommodation using police presence is also part of the of the commitment with
Miami D. That is >> good evening everyone. Um, my name is Karodina Monttero. I'm a licensed landscape architect. I've been practicing in Florida for 20 years now and I'm very proud to be part of this
project. Um, because I almost never get the chance to work really and work in a way that I can bring everything that I learn into a project. And I think that gave me the opportunity to not only be very creative with uh things that are
very innovative uh for school such as outdoor um areas for kids to just play freebie and learn in a dream way, but I also use uh a variety of plants that I almost never had the opportunity to use
because um I don't get this freedom uh very often. So I'm very proud of to be part of this project. So the main goal for us here uh was to create a very lush landscape uh very rich uh that promotes biodiversity,
habitat creation um and you know we are going to achieve that through native planting and tree preservation mostly and that is going to help us create habitat uh for not only for the kids and for humans uh that are going to use the
school but also um for you know all the little animals and coordinators, uh, birds, um, you know, we want to create an environment that is, um, very, um, positive for everything. Um, you know, humans and animals as well. Um, we're
very careful with the selection of plants and we try to use mostly native plants. Um, again to to create this natural habitats that we are talking about. Um this is the overall site plan and every color that you see here is a different species of plant. Uh so you
can see there's a lot of variety. Um and like I said it's mostly native and if not it's adaptive. Um it's you know it belongs here. We are not bringing anything um from outside and trying to implement and not work. We are also uh
preserving a lot of the trees on site. Um yeah, um retaining, you know, the the trying to keep as much as possible the wildlife of, you know, our community. I also wanted to mention that I live here. So I
think, you know, I'm very interested in creating a beautiful project for all of us. I'm part of the neighborhood. I live on 86th Street. Um and um again, we trying to to maintain as much as possible the the trees that we have on site.
uh prioritizing data material, creating an immersed experience uh for kids and for you know all the output programs that we are creating. Um so this next slide shows all the large trees that we that we are keeping and we are retaining
21 mature trees that are on site and they're going to remain in place. We are not interested in touching them. We do want to preserve and maintain that on site. And we are also keeping age trees that are also very large that are not
native but they provide shade and provide um you know the the habitats for the for everything that um the animals and birds and butterflies. For the tree relocations uh we had to do
a few relocations mostly because of um conflicts with construction. Um, so we are doing only four major relocations for trees. Uh, two small fruit trees that are going into our vegetable garden area that we are
incorporating into the project. And we are removing removing relocating 18 palms to other areas that are going to be more, you know, closer to the outdoor classrooms and some other things that other spaces that we are creating outside. Tree removals, which is always
sensitive. Uh, we don't want to remove trees. We don't want to touch any trees. But of course, a lot of the streets are in conflict with construction. I we added some images here so you can see what kind of trees we are planning to remove. Uh which is mostly what's around the building. Those are palms
that are not in good condition as you can see. Um and some other trees that we had to remove because they're not viable for relocation. Um because they are in poor condition. We had a a certified arborist uh work with us with me and my
team to assess those trees and we really try to minimize any type of tree removal from the site. Um this next slide shows um our proposed canopy plan which includes everything that we are keeping everything that we
are relocating and everything that we're proposing which is uh nearly 100 trees 100 new trees being proposed being 100% native palms and 95 94% native trees and the 13 life oaks that are in the
rightway you're not touching Um this next slide shows the understory planting that we're proposing. Um the green uh everything that is in green is proposed native planting and everything that is in orange is proposed pollinator species. So you can see that you know
the entire site is covered with landscape. We tried not to leave one inch without landscape that we didn't have to for for example the driveway but everything else is fully landscaped. you know, we don't even have lawn just so you have an idea. So, we really want to try to minimize pesticides and any
contamination uh and be very uh sustainable with this project. Um we are proposing 70% native plants and 30% pollinators and nearly uh 10,000 new shrubs proposed for the site.
Uh the next slide shows um the lot coverage. So impervious uh versus pvious we are uh we have only 39% impervious surfaces on the site which is a 14% reduction from what what you have there now and a 21% reduction
from what the code allows. This next one shows lot coverage in perviews uh and it shows it illustrates some of the materials that we are using which again are nearly all um permeable materials. We don't want to create any
issues with drainage or anything like that. So we really trying to be very sustainable about everything we do. Um maximum allowed is 60% and we are using only 39% uh with impervious surfaces. So we really trying to minimize any uh
runoff towards any other property or creating any issues with the construction of the school. Um so this is a quick illustration about green space and open space. So you can see quickly um how it relates to the construction and the amount of green
that we have all around. And most of this you know white patches that you see it's all the the previous surfaces that we mentioned. Um this one you want um this this one is an illustration of
the the view of that offsite parking that we talked about looking from uh second looking towards the the parking lot. So we our intent is not to create a parking lot that is just hardcapes. We really want to bring green around surrounded
uh completely hedge it in so there's nothing ugly to see only beautiful plants and palms and beautiful landscape um for the neighborhood. >> You get me again. So we sat down and talked to the community as many people
as we could. Lauren did. Um, I commend Lauren for getting out and talking to as many people. I tried to talk to as many people in the community as I could. Unfortunately, I live in New York. I'm only here a few days a week. >> I was only able to talk to as many
people as I can. And we took as much as we could to report back and bring things to the community. These are proposed offers to help mitigate us bringing a school to the community. So, some of the things that we're bringing to the community to help offset
a school being in the community are as follows. We will pay $25,000 per year for 20 years dedicated to parks and open space to offset because it's a nonprofit and they do not pay taxes. We'll do this in lie
of taxes. We will directly fund for two full-time police officers with a value of approximately $100,000 a year for the life of the school forever onward two additional police officers to the village of Elportal. The off-site
parking that we will be building whenever it's not used for the school will be used for the community. We're going to resurface ADA Street from Northeast 2nd Avenue to Park Road, Northeast 4th Avenue. We're going to take because we have to build new sewer because of the way it's
designed today. The discussion was rather than going up First Avenue towards Little River, which is the most economical and easiest way to go, it was determined then asked that the best way to do this is to go actually to Northeast Second Avenue. By doing that,
we can create a civic area where you can have cafes, restaurants, salons, everything that can actually be used to create a business area in that district by bringing the sewer system to that area. >> Where is that? >> Northeast Second Avenue. So, we're going
to bring the sewer line from the school all the way down to Northeast Second Avenue and run it all the way to Miami Shores. So, we're creating a whole new sewer line and system underground direct boring. We're not ripping up the
streets. We can The next thing that we're going to do and we're committed to doing is when we do an event at the school, we're contracting for off-site parking. We will have everybody park offsite and shuttled in. We are not looking to cause
an issue with parking in the community. We will deal with it offsite. We'll contract it ourselves for both events and eventually when the capacity at the school grows and we need additional parking. We're committed to do that
and there will never be more than 350 children and when the capacity of the school grows, we'll have additional parking. That's all committed to and will be in an agreement with the village. These things will be committed to in writing in a development agreement
which will be committed to by your town attorney and your commission. >> The last thing that we agreeing to do and this is something as a developer hurts. If the school is to fail, we will never
build a live local project here. We are committing to the zoning we are going for today. The project will never be a mixeduse live local project. We are freezing the zoning as it is. So restricted covenant on the land today
after this is reszoned. >> We are reszoning it for Z4. Whatever Z4 includes, I'm not a zoning expert, but whatever that is, we are not applying live local. We are never going to build a mixedtory
eightstory live local project on that site. We are committing to a covenant to restrict the zoning on the property. So, we've put this package of offers together to the community to address the
concerns that have been brought to our attention. That's all I have for you tonight. >> Is we do have Ben Fernandez here as the zoning expert. Um, and we are happy to
have him speak to any zoning questions you may bring for public comment. It is my understanding that Z4 is your main street zoning and that is for multi-purpose use, restaurants, bars, religious institutions, education.
Um, it's the main street zoning that you have discussed previously in your sharet. Um, with that we'll conclude our presentation. >> Thank you so much for your attention. We look forward to hearing from you. >> Thank you very much. Okay, before we
start and we go to public comment, um, are there any uh, quick comments uh, from the committee? >> Could you repeat that, Mr. Mayor? You're looking for comments from the deis. >> Yeah, before Yeah. Before we go to public comment, are there any questions
or comments from the committee? >> Yeah, I have a couple. Uh max uh max amount of students is 350. Period. >> Period. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> I have one technical question for the constructor for icon. I'm not sure if
they can answer this or not. Uh in your proprietary concrete mix, are there any PAS materials? >> Could you say that again? What materials? >> In your proprietary concrete mix, are there any PAS materials?
>> Prefast. PFAS. Oh. Uh, no, there's not. >> Okay. >> Another question for you. Um, I know that you've been working tirelessly kind of meeting with people one-on-one. Has there ever been any sort of effort to do just like an organized town hall similar
to this? >> So, we had discussed it before um this process began. Okay. and it it was discussed that we would perhaps have some town hall Zooms andor town halls. Um, I'm not sure why that didn't come to
fruition exactly, but after after our first hearing here, um, I did put forth that I was happy to discuss this project with anyone and made myself available. And thankfully, we had several residents
that opened their homes to me and to other neighbors to be able to discuss the project. But um as far as I understand there was no um effort from the village to
just clarify one thing. This was a continued meeting from last time for the opportunity for everybody to come and further comment and be able to speak. >> Okay. But the there is no resistance on
your part to do any sort of like more organized town hall. >> Absolutely. And I'm sorry for speaking over you. We would absolutely look forward to the opportunity. >> Perfect. Good to know. Thank you so much. >> Any other questions? >> I'm I'm just going to just 30 seconds
here real quick. So, um I see many familiar faces from last meeting. I see many new phases uh that were not at the last meeting. So, um, just for the record before we get going here, um, I personally have had exceptional
frustrations with this process because I believe that what should happen anytime a developer comes into Elporttowal is they should be received by a team of ours that should consist of the mayor, the manager, and the attorney. And that
team should be rapidly disseminating information to both the public and the council. So I believe that a disservice a little bit was done to the developers on this project because nothing resembling that process uh was in place
as they came into the village. Having said all of that, I will remind everyone I did move to deny this application outright at the last meeting. I did not get a second. In that time between the last meeting
and now, there have been some serious uh uh offers to be put into a development agreement that I do feel are worth listening to tonight. Uh but I did want to at least establish that I personally
have reservations simply for the way the villages handled this from the beginning. Uh, and then my my largest concern is simply the special use variance because it does seem I would like some background from either
the attorney or uh perhaps even Mr. Rosema might even know a little bit about this uh from his time previous or the mayor to understand uh uh why the use of that lot specifically was ultimately changed
within the past two decades. I'm not sure exactly when that took place, but my understanding is that the need for a special use variance on this project uh that is that has me pausing uh significantly because it does seem that
that restriction of use on that property was made conscientiously by this council at some point in the past. And so before we go back on that, I would like to understand ex exceptionally with
exceptional clarity uh why we chose to restrict that use in the first place in terms of specifically school not being a prescribed uh entity to be on that property. >> Mayor, if I can I can shed some light.
um maybe not everything and I may end up deferring to our zoning consultant, but um I think that happened one of during one of my uh relatively brief periods of absence from the deis uh the council at some point
under our prior zoning consultant adopted a formbbased code which completely rewrote all of the things that the village had functioned under for decades. Um,
city of Miami had formbbased code. Uh, whether it was most appropriate for a village of this size was something that I think I would have to refer you to the people who were sitting on the council at the time,
which I think of of all of you. Um, I don't think Dr. Lightoot Ward was present on council at that time. Perhaps Mayor Nickerson has has a recollection. Um I just let me just say two things
about special exception. The fact that a special exception needs to be granted is not going back on it. it when there are things that are prohibited that you just, you know, can't do unless, you know, there's a
variance or something. And a use variance is much less common than a non-use. But a special exception does not require that. It simply says for some kinds of things
that the council has to look at it and determine if this is an appropriate place to have something. If it's prohibited then you know you can't
without a variance and in that case you use variance. Special exception is only intended to give the council discretion as to whether or not this is appropriate at a particular location to give the
council a stronger hand in making determinations as opposed to having something that is as of right. So, it's not it doesn't have to be exceptional to get
that exception. It just has to appear to the council as something that is okay. It makes sense. It's in the right place and your hand is not forced to do it.
you have discretion, but it doesn't have to be, you know, some extraordinary determination. You just have to decide to grant it. Um, I have to say
that your comment that you presume that that location and that application and that classification requiring permission
was the subject of scrutiny. is logical >> and aspirational >> and hopeful. Yeah. >> But yes, your word is correct. I I do
not I again I was absent when that happened but uh for a couple years there but I I do think that that presumption may not reflect actual reality or attention
to that detail on the part of the council that adopted it. Um, I can't speak for the council members who voted at that time, but it is not necessarily the case that the
adoption of the formbbased code looked at every parcel carefully and made an independent determination as to each parcel. Um, it is an unusual
thing, the formbbased code. It's usually in much larger jurisdictions and um it is what it is, but I don't know that you can put yourself in the minds of the council that adopted it. The bottom line is you have discretion. It
is allowed, but you have to say, "Yeah, that makes sense." You don't have to be extraordinary, but if you think it's out of place or wrong, that's within your discretion. And that's what the special
exception applies. Nothing more. Just that the council has to look at it, hear the facts, hear the applicant, hear the residents, hear any experts, and just decide, yeah, this is this is okay. Not
perfect. But you have to decide is this okay here or is this just wrong where it is. That's your discretion. It is not extraordinary discretion. I hope that helps. And I'll defer other than that to
our zoning consultant, Miss Hammonds, who may be able to tell you more about just how this application of the formbbased code to this property works. >> Okay. Thank you. That was helpful. May may I ask a question maybe that Miss Hammonds can also answer as well just to
clarify. It's my understanding that the special exemption only takes place when the property size is over a certain square footage and no. Okay, let's let Ben ask then that was my question.
>> You may want to hear more from Miss Hammonds. >> We're all going to learn a lot tonight, >> right? Um I would I would concur with what the attorney said. Um he he's absolutely correct. Um the special exception is a tool for um kind of taking a a deeper dive into some
specific uses. They're all allowed. Um it's just that you need to go through a special exception mostly to look at the specific use, how it affects the neighborhood specifically and what conditions we can use to mitigate. And that's really the tool that we're using.
Um the I just want to point out also that the term variance came up a couple times but that is not of any there's no variances requested in this application. >> So then the official title of the request is special use except >> special it's just special exception
>> special exception. Okay. >> Can I make a comment? And and the point of that is, as Miss Hammonds says correctly, you can impose conditions because it's not of right. You just have to determine
is it reasonable and appropriate for you to exercise your discretion to allow the use under the conditions you see fit. It's not extraordinary, but
it's not nothing. Can I make a comment? >> Yes. >> So, I apologize. I wasn't here last meeting. I wear many hats and sometimes I cannot wear the hats simultaneously. So, I was in a completely different
state. Um, but I do think in general introductions matter the way you're introduced. Um, and I don't know who has advised you on this one, but I do think it appears that you've taken a lot of time to put
together this presentation, and I think it is it is a very interesting concept. I think it's a beautiful school. I have school-aged children. I understand the need for alternatives. Um, my children go to Kushman who also has just
implemented this staggered drop off system. Um, and it's worked tremendously relieving the um, complaints that were surrounding our drop off previously. So, I've seen this work in the context of the school my children attend and it
really has been useful. I didn't know how it was going to work, but it was actually it's perfect. Drop off takes five minutes instead of 25, 30 minutes. So, um, I see where you're going. I just think that whenever someone is presented
Excuse me. It's Do you need it to be louder? >> Okay. Oh, I just making sure. Um, but I do think that whenever someone is presented with a concept and it is presented within the confines of a
meeting like this where it's actually just a yes, we're going to go forward or no, we're not going to go forward. I think antennas are raised. I do think if you had a town hall where it's more of a conversation, um I think that a lot of the sticking
points, a lot of the uh question marks can be answered in an environment that I feel like is a little low lower stakes and lower pressure. Um so I don't know who, you know, what the analysis was um to have it be the first time this is
presented is within the context of a planning and zoning committee meeting. I think a series of town halls may have served you a a little better um on this end. Um but I don't doubt that your intention is to try to put forth the
best possible product that you can. Um but I also understand that everyone in this room has questions that they deserve to be answered. And I think that now that we're here in the context of like a go or no go, it just kind of
ratchets up the the stakes and it makes it appear as though, you know, something is occurring. I know we have not spoken outside of the context of like these walls about this project. I'm interested. I would like to attend some of these um town hall meetings. I think
that is probably the format that might have served you better. Um, with that being said, we find ourselves here. Um, and I do think everybody deserves to be heard and you guys deserve to present. I just would like for everyone on this day
is to think about how we um talk to applicants and what we suggest because honestly, you guys must feel like this is a humongous expenditure of time and resources. Everybody in this room, you were here last time and you're
here tonight. and essentially you're here for the same exact uh item because I don't think that there's anything that has really changed. Um so I'm left to wonder is this ripe? Is this ripe at
this moment for this meeting? And if not, why are we having these meetings um without there being any sort of substantial change in the item? I think if the residents had questions last
meeting, uh we we do have to we do have to, you know, keep it keep it nice and composed. Um but if the residents had the questions last meeting, they probably have the same questions this meeting and we need to explore the format. we need
to and also in addition to that we are in the middle of uh our new city manager coming on board and I'm very intrigued by some of these value ads that you discussed but I think that these value ads need to be analyzed by a
professional city manager so that we can discuss whether or not those numbers are really what we want them to be and what some of the impacts are or are these really the items that are the most valuable My big issue is these decisions are
being made in a very small room with a very limited number of people and that needs to be opened up. I do not doubt the fact that we have people I do not doubt the fact that we have people that are passionate about the village analyzing but I need skilled
administrators to be looking at these items. Not because I'm just kind of picky. We have been in a situation where we've entered into agreements and then afterwards we have found out that these
agreements were not necessarily advantages to the village that there were ramifications and considerations that we did not think of and I would not want to be in this position again. I don't think this conversation is ripe at this moment. I also don't think that
this is necessarily a horrible idea or I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we need to vet it. And I think the correct people need to vet it. And we need to stop and I hate to say it this way, but time is really important to all of us. We need to think of how we're spending
our time. And we can't do the same thing over and over and over again just because one person decides that we should do this. we should really make sure that our procedure is correct, that we are putting forth something that has been vetted by the community. Um, and
then we can see where the where the chips fall in the context of this meeting. But this just doesn't seem like it is ripe for discussion uh in my opinion. And I think the way that the applicants have been guided to apply for
or to go through this process is really unfortunate because I do think that you have good intentions. I can tell just by how much hustle you have surrounding this, right? We haven't had a chance to meet personally, but I get the emails. I
I get it. Um, so that is my comment. I would seriously like the day to consider I think deferring this item instructing the applicants to host the series of town hall meetings. It seems as if Scarlet is telling us that something
needs to be brought forward by Miami Day County surrounding the traffic study. I don't understand why we are here again tonight at yet another uh special special planning and zoning meeting. That's my comment. >> Thank you very much. Any other comments,
questions from the council? >> Uh, I have a few. >> Any other comments, questions from the committee? >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Um, so if you guys remember when we brought this before the council uh in December, uh my my view to get it
approved, I had 15 conditions. I've never had that many conditions ever before because there's a lot of issues that needed to be resolved. This included parking, this included traffic, this included everything. So, the reason I'm I'm mentioning this right now is they did
try and resolve a lot of this. Uh I don't think it's perfect yet, but uh I want to know how we got to the point here, Miss Hammond. Um with the parking because, uh with the 32 lots, spaces at one over there and then eight over here.
It's like 40 spaces total, but there's going to be 20 students per grade and 11th to 12th grade. That's 40 students that going to be driving. Then you have 12 teachers, 10 administrations. Then you're going to have about a half a dozen early pickups. You got like 80 spaces needed. How did it get approved through planning and zoning for under 40
spaces when we're going to have 80 being used daily? >> So, um, basically it does meet our code requirements for parking. It it's right on. Um, but this again going back to this being a special exception. Um, that could be something that, you know,
looking at this use exactly at this site. Um, that might be something to consider that you might condition that they they might want to >> Well, they've already figured out how to fix this, but I don't know why it came here with logically what I just said to it should not have passed through us
saying that this works. Why? Tell me why that worked. >> Because it meets our code. >> How does it meet our code though? I just explained >> requirements that are specific to schools. So that's what >> So it requires 36 spaces for school. >> It it does. It does meet our code for
for >> But how required parking? >> I mean it somebody determined the number of spaces per schools. >> Is it like a set amount of spaces per school? Like 36 spaces per school? I mean
>> um yeah, there's a formula. >> Can I hear the formula? >> Hold on. if I have it here. >> Let me just say by the way that council >> that the staff >> is not vested
>> with the discretion to add conditions. That discretion belongs to you and your colleagues. staff is only entitled to perform the mathematical calculation
that the code provides for because staff is not supposed to be exercising discretion. We're just, you know, hired hands here. But if the council feels that in this circumstance
that something other than the strict provisions of the code is appropriate, you have that discretion. Again, that's the reason that the special exception exists. So it's not whatever the code
provides is considered as of right. The council has the discretion to add a condition about parking specifically as a condition of being of approving the special exception. But that's
you are the electeds. It's not for staff to try to make that decision. That's your discretion. >> Miss Hammond. Um in our parking calculations we have um it's required to have 42 spaces total
which they have provided. Um two ADA spaces and two EV spaces and also um bicycle racks um to hold um 24 um bikes. >> But how does that calculation get to 42? >> I don't have the math in front of me at the moment. Um if
>> is it a percentage if the team has a site plan? It it should be on your um site plan. Is it amount of students, teachers? I mean, is it >> perhaps we can hear from the zoning attorney for the applicant uh if they have that information available.
>> Thank you. I believe I'm sorry the audience may not be able to see but I believe the applicant is uh the applicant's attorney is looking through the documents now trying to find that >> but I believe we may not have brought the mathematical calculations since it
was determined that it does meet code as it stands. So, while there may be questions as to how that came to be, that is something that can be explored possibly at a later date since it does meet code.
>> Well, I I do believe that Jeff has gone above and beyond for that already, but I want to find out how we got to this situation where we are not able to provide parking for everyone, but it met our code somehow. >> I understand your frustration. >> All right. and and we did offer to solve
this based on feedback, right? So, while it does meet code, we understand the frustrations and we understand that um the perception andor feasibility of whether the code is accurate may not be correct. And so, we're happy and willing to contract with outside
um off-site parking and and options to make that feasible. All right, you guys. Are there any um other questions or comments? Uh member Winters, >> that's all. Thank you. >> All right. Any other questions or
comments from any of the other members of the committee? >> Mayor, >> yes. Council L. >> Thank you for your presentation. I don't know if you all can hear me because I can't hear it. Okay. I can't hear my thing.
>> You all want to be in El Portell little bitty little bitty place like this. I say I hear it now. Little bitty place like this. You want your your school to be in El Portell and you've made that decision because
you know Elertell or you think we don't know Elertell? Which one is it? >> Because the Elortell that we see we love and we would like to be a part of. We don't presume to know anything about Elportal. We've only been learning and
we're enjoying what we're learning. That's the real truth. >> Okay. Well, that that thank you for being honest because I'm wondering why a school, which we all know we want our children to be in school.
>> I'm wondering why. Why is this becoming such a holistic problem that you this about the third time? Am I right? About the third time we're hearing from you all. >> Second time. >> Oh man. sec. This is the second time. >> All right, we'll give it a second. Okay, we'll give it a second. And I'm
wondering what what's going on that I don't know is happening. What haven't you not told us? Because I'm I'm sitting here the second time listening to this and I'm saying what's the problem?
>> I I I think uh council life will ward if I may. I think that there are other elements as far as the not necessarily people having a problem with the school. Some do. So I think where we are is we have you know
the option of individuals. So we have the you know the group of I don't want the school no matter what. I don't think this is a good fit for our community. You also have the school I'm not necessarily against, but why is it coming here and how does
it benefit our community by it being here? And so I think that uh council person like foot what we're having is is when we think about things like traffic and things like that, it's like when you when you picture what may be coming with the school, a lot of our residents are
looking at it like, well, what is the benefit that we're getting? It seems like we're just getting the downside and we're not getting an upside of what's coming into the community. And I think there's, you know, individuals that are looking and saying that, you know, my standard of life or my quality of life
is going to be affected by this project. And I don't see a benefit that we're getting as a community for what may be affecting my quality of life here because we like our quiet, quaint community, and we don't want it to change in any type of way. So, I think you're getting that. So now where we're
where we're at, I feel so you know and we have an option. Uh thank you very much uh Vice Mayor Martin. So we have where you know we could say no, we know we don't want a school period and that's
it. Now with that you guys um comes a set of questions about what then do they have the right to put there, right? Because they're the private owners. And so if we say no to the site plan for the school, I'm not I'm not saying this to
say that we should be in fear or we should cower or anything like that. I'm just saying for specifically educational purposes. If we say no to the site plan for the school, what what do they have the right to put there just by zoning right? So that's one question. The other
side is if if we don't have a problem necessarily with the school but as I explained before like what we getting out of it the downside to it and things like that then you all this is just the first meeting right they have to go through like three more meetings and
just like just like if anybody brought a um you know a site plan or anything for anything else we can pass it in a committee meeting and vote the down at the council level. So, so if there is, and I think this leads
to, you know, what might be possibly like the town halls and stuff, but if there is, you know, in that camp of, well, I may not be sold on this, but we should continue to work on this or I want to hear more, I want to learn more.
If there's that, then there's that option. There's also the third option of tableabling it right and saying we want to table this and we want to if they want to organize you know holistic um
town halls and then coming back. So those are kind of the three options that we have you guys right now. >> Um I'm still going to you know come to public comment if we need to but is there a motion? >> Yeah, there's a motion for sure. I think
at this point we can't really although I completely understand that uh a vote for this to move forward tonight um doesn't necessarily mean that they're starting the bill tomorrow. I think we have a a group of residents in the room um that
that already have their antennas up about this and I think it's best for us to slow work this thing. Um, and I would move to defer this until the applicant is able to complete two town hall meetings open to the public to discuss
this item. And also a comprehensive comprehensive report from our city manager on those proposed value ads is presented to each council member so we can so we can um really analyze this thing and make sure the numbers work for us as
well. We have a motion on the table. >> Is Is there a second? >> Hold on, Mayor. >> Okay. >> According to what? >> Uh, can we pause for a second? We're We're voting to defer, but the man the
mayor already explained the public comment will be open. So, we're just deferring the item. Um, so there will be a public comment portion. >> Yeah. Council person forward. Is this the second time we're hearing about this?
Just just kind of help me know. Is this the second time we're hearing about this? >> I deferred this last meeting to this meeting. >> Uhuh. >> Little bitty city like this. And all you all want to do is another school. School. You talking about a school?
>> Actually, a school. >> You know we got horsemen over here. You know that, right? >> Yes, ma'am. >> We got horsemen over here. You know we're the tiniest school in Day County, right? You know that, right? And for what we have is just that, a
little city. How many people you expecting to be at this thing? 360 children. >> 350. >> A what? >> 350 max. >> Okay. You So you heard me. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. 350.
And parking. Another concern. Y L Portell, the smallest city in Miami Day County. Y LLE, >> would you like me to answer? Oh, uh, I'm
sorry. I was waiting for you to finish. Why El Portal? All of the same reasons that you love Elportal. The community, the people, the trees, the bird sanctuary, the >> the environment,
>> and actually the neighbors. >> Well, the neighbors don't want it. >> Did you not Did you not notice the neighbors don't want it? >> So, I we are absolutely willing to hear from the neighbors. As a matter of fact,
I I would love to hear what they have to say. I understand that there is a motion on the table. We would love the opportunity to be able to continue and to continue this process to move forward and to be able to have town hall meetings with whomever would like to be
there. I'm happy to set a schedule for next Wednesday or whenever is available for everyone. I'm happy to show up here every night of the week next week if you'd like. If given the opportunity, I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to host it. I'll host it wherever you'd like. Um, but I would love the opportunity to
to move this forward and I would love the opportunity to hear from the neighborhood. >> Well, I think you're you're hearing I think you're hearing no. You don't want to hear no, but I think you're hearing no. It's a tiny city. We don't want to
have a whole lot of And I'm saying it because I know where you are. I know. But I like where we are. It took time for us to get where we are >> and and to blow it up because because we're the smallest city in Miami Day
County. >> Come on. Somebody must have been putting something on you all to say, "Hey, you got Elf Portell over there. They don't know what they're doing. Just come on in. She'll they'll do what they want. We do know what we're doing." With all due respect, it was it was
genuinely out of a positive uh and enthusiastic love for the community that we saw. That is really why we're here. >> All right, you guys. So, we have a motion on the table um by Vice Mayor Martin. Do we have a second?
>> What was the motion? The motion was to table this um and >> until the applicant completes uh two town hall meetings and we have a comprehensive report from our village manager on all the value ads proposed. >> And keep in mind we will hold a town
hall meeting before the first vote 100%. We are not opposed to a town hall meeting. This is just the first step so we can actually do something. We we can't move forward in any way whatsoever without this meeting. We will hold town
hall meetings. We are here to listen, but we need to take the first step. This is the first step that's already been deferred once. I understand everybody's concerns, but everybody also has to understand this is a zoned project that can be built for
certain things. We're asking to build the school and offering mitigation >> responses. So, so we have a we have a motion on the table. >> Do we have a second on the motion? >> I'll do a second going once.
>> I will second the motion. >> We have a second. We have a motion. We have a second. Madam clerk, may I please have roll call, please? >> Roll call. Life foot ward. I want to say no because I don't I don't think we're where where where we think
we're going. >> I said no. >> Member Winters. >> No. >> Member Urban. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Martin. >> Yes. >> Sharon Nickerson.
>> Yes. >> Motion passes three to two. >> All right, you guys. So, we have V we have town halls coming up. Um, and then we'll have a comprehensive uh paper from the uh the manager with the town halls coming up. Do you guys still want me to open up public comment?
>> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Perfect. >> All right. You guys want to open up the public comment? >> Mayor, I just want to make a clarification for the applicant that they would have to count with our scheduling for town halls. The applicant does never schedule the town halls or any meetings, period. >> Absolutely.
>> Absolutely. We would happily appreciate the opportunity for the council or whomever the general whomever would is in charge please schedule a town hall please. >> So we're going to open it up to public comment you guys. >> Exactly.
>> And mayor just to clarify again to reinforce what the the clerk acting manager has said the village does not set town halls. The applicant schedules town halls. We can cooperate by making
village hall available for them if that's the desire of the council to facilitate it taking place. But they have to hold them. They have to schedule them. They have to invite people. Um and then they under this motion they'd have
to notify us formally that they have completed that. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> What? I don't know. I'm sorry. I just want to clarify because I I misunderstood then what was um what Miss
Yukobi said. >> So to clarify >> who's whose responsibility is it to set the time? >> I want to make the clarification because um previous things had been done in a different matter. So I want to set it straight for the record that
>> any calendar stuff that has to do with the village does not get set by the applicant in reference to hearings in reference that gets set by it would actually be me in the village clerk uh position because I do have to count with quorum firm administration and count
with the quorum of the body that's going to be voting on any item that's going to be voting. So, a town hall, it's your responsibility to actually have it hosted and it's we we also advertised it for the benefit of our residents.
>> Okay. So, to clarify, just to make sure that I heard you correct, >> moving forward, when you go talk to the planning, you do not tell them what date. We tell you guys what date. That's what it is. And just in in reference to a comment from a council that spoke earlier
>> to be clear um members of the village council, >> you're I mean if they wanted to hold something not in village hall off site somewhere, they could do that, but they obviously they can't schedule village
hall without talking to the clerk to see if it's even available. Members of the council, you are entitled to attend a town hall meeting even though you're not going to be there to vote on anything. These town halls are
informational. But if more than one member of council is planning to attend a town hall, then you have a couple of options. Either you
can attend and listen but remain silent and not offer any public comment. Or you have to notify the clerk so the clerk can advertise that more than one
member of the village council may be present because otherwise it can be a violation of sunshine. You can't go to a meeting where you guys talk but it's not recorded or anything like that. It's not
it doesn't have minutes taken etc. So if you plan to more than one of you plans to attend, notify the clerk so appropriate advertisement can be made or else just make up your mind that if you go even if one of your colleagues speaks
you're going to be silent and frankly if one of your colleagues is in attendance and begins to speak you should step outside the meeting. That's what sunshine law requires. So, probably safer if you're planning to attend,
notify the clerk and allow the appropriate advertisement even though these town hall meetings are not meetings where you're going to be called upon to either comment or raise your hand. >> Absolutely. >> That's exactly why I was saying it would come from my office because in order to
be in the best practice and to be precautious um of any other council member showing up because they will be a voting member and sunshine. That's why it's going to come from my office. So, we will coordinate and let you know. >> Yes. >> Amanda Coran, just a procedural
question. Um, if members do give, if you know any member of the audience gives a public comment tonight, will they be barred from giving public comment when the item does come back? >> No. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Me, not members of the public. That's fine. Only they're bound by sunshine. the audience is free, the
members, the residents are free to say anything they want whenever they want to that's not, you know, somehow illegal. Um, your comments are fine, but the the village council is bound by the sunshine law.
>> All right, you guys. So, um, we have one of two ways of doing this that I'm going to allow you guys to open up a little bit more. So within the threem minute period we can either um I would suggest that you ask the questions you want to
ask and I'll allow them to answer right away. Now public comment usually is not it's not debate and it usually doesn't work like that. Usually public comment is where the public comes up and they either ask their questions or make their comments and then once public comment is closed we come back and we answer those questions or respond to those comments.
Um I'm going to do it try a different way with you guys. You guys are going to stick with the same three minutes of asking any questions, making any comments you guys want to have. Then I would allow them to respond or respond to those questions or comments. Then
we'll move to the next individual. >> Okay. We have two town halls coming up and so public comment public comment is isn't even isn't even for and I have it right here. I can read it you guys into the record. The way Robert's rules public comments work. um public comment and
public hearing is for the public to address the board or address the client and then we move to the next individual, next individual, next individual and then we and then when public comment the public hearing is closed then we address those answers and we comment to those answers of those questions. What I'm
going to do now though differently is I'm going to open it up for your public comment for your questions and then we'll have the responses. All right, you guys got to remember as far as rebuttals and things like that,
>> that's why you have your town halls coming up. >> All right, >> Mr. Mayor, can I can I just ask a question to the applicant? Are you clear on how you should be scheduling these um town halls? >> No. >> Was that answered?
>> No. But but I will happily send an email to the clerk and Mr. Geller to clarify and I will move forward in whatever manner is required of me by law and otherwise to do the right thing. >> Okay. >> So I think she was >> so she was simply trying to clarify that
for a meeting of the deis in any capacity committee or general counsel full counsel that must and only can be scheduled essentially through the village i.e. the clerk. Right. And what she's saying is for the town hall
>> that is actually outside of that purview meaning you are in fact in fact the onus is on you >> absolutely >> to schedule that and uh just obviously I would be in direct coordination with the clerk. >> I would hope that it would just be automatic that we would notice there
might be multiple council members there. I'm expecting that there will be. So >> yes sir. And I I also think what you do want is for the public to be quite clear that this is happening. Um and coordination with the clerk actually can
get that elasted out to everyone that you want to know that this is occurring. I think village hall would be a great location just because it's easy for us all to get here. Um, and on our end, we as the body will do what we need to do
to make sure that we're not in violation of sunshine, but that's our concern. Really, just the coordination and the dissemination of the information through the clerk uh to our list serve is the part that's really important. >> Absolutely. Thank you so much for the clarification.
>> All right. Say your name, address for the record. >> Okay. So, my name is Gigi Crop and I've been a resident of El Patel for over 20 years and I'm also a realtor and I'm selling properties here in El Patel.
>> Did you say your address for the record for us? >> 130 Northeast 88th Street is my is my home. Anyway, so so personally I do not think that a school
is the highest and best use of an acre and a half of property in the village of El Patel and especially this is a notfor-profit school and it's also I'm told a Jewish school. So it limits the
membership of what children can can attend and and also all these changes that they have to make. One ways this thing that thing all this this stuff is not does
not reflect positively on our home values. The values in El Patel have have gone up immensely because we are a small quiet little neighborhood. If we put a school
in the middle of the u of the neighborhood, it's going to be very destructive for for our value for the values of our homes. And it's also going to totally change the the village just like you
know one of our council people said. So I don't think that this is the best use of this property and I don't know why they are so motivated to put a school here. And also we have the you know the design we have the designers and we have
the builders and all these people. Well, why couldn't you just build high-end homes on that property? The high-end new construction homes sell in El Patel for for very high numbers.
They can make their money that way and in so doing they can improve and uplift the values of our homes not degrade them by changing the um the whole you know
face of the of the village. Now I'm also told that they're buying properties. I hear from people that I'm associated with that they're trying to buy their properties and turn them into into um you know shop parking lots. Now we don't
want parking lots in El Patel. We'd love beautiful homes, but what are we gonna have? Parking lots and traffic and and changing the layout of the streets just to accommodate a school because they got an itch that
they had to have a school in El Patel, but it doesn't. I mean, it doesn't serve the people of El Patel very well. And then I was reading something about zoning. They say they're they want to reszone it Z4.
Z4 designation supports Oh, >> it supports a high mix of Go ahead and bring it to high density of high density commercial, retail and community services. Do we want that in the middle of El
Patel if their school fails? So that's it. >> Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Miss C. THOSE ARE MOSTLY THEY WERE MOSTLY comments more than questions. >> Uh yeah, come on. Oh, I think there's
Miss White. >> Hi, I'm Ashley Luchio, 127 Northeast 90th Street. Um, I want to talk about the hypocrisy I've encountered today. Um, hearing this
group talk about how much they love their neighbors in Elportal, the values of this school, contrasted with the conversation I had with a woman today at 8920 Northeast 2nd
Street who's being displaced from her home. She's been there for 20 years. She's been in the village since 1989. She's raised her children here and she is now on her way to look for a new
house, not a house, an apartment, an affordable apartment in Miami. What are you I mean, what is the thinking here that you're displacing people for a parking lot?
What are the values there with that? How much do you love the neighbors of Elportal that you're pushing them out of their homes for a parking lot? That three multifamily affordable houses
are being torn down for a parking lot. These are historic buildings, by the way. And I have set up a petition because all of Elportal number one should be designated as a historical
uh district. The entire town specifically Northeast 2nd I'm I'm sorry. Yeah. Northeast 2nd Avenue and Northeast 90th Street specifically has been recommended as an historic
district. Those homes, those three homes that are going to be torn down are 1950s style ranch buildings um and are just one example of the highly characteristic and signature homes that we have throughout the
village. Just one example. So, you know, I just I cannot accept a parking lot being built on the corner of my block. I will never accept that over my dead
body. Okay. God forbid. >> And I can't accept that you're displacing multiple families. And where are you putting them? Where are they going? Do you know a one-bedroom apartment is $1,800 a month
in this neighborhood? And that's the cheapest price you're going to get. Where are they going to go? What are you going to do for my home value once it decreases because you want to put a parking lot at the end of my block? What are you going to do for me? What are you going to do for all of my
neighbors? We are a we are a community of people. We are not residential lots. We are not, you know, I don't know, echofriendly 3D printing. Like we are people who have homes, who have lives, who've been here for
decades. generations, some of them. And I've said this before. I said it at the last meeting and I'm going to say it again. I'm going to keep coming back and saying it. You guys did not invite me to any of your little private meetings that you were having with residents. I don't think you spoke to one single person
from my block or from 89th Street. You spoke to people from across the way and you spoke to people on Northwest 90th Street. But you did not speak to anyone from my block. and my block is directly impacted by that parking lot.
And same with 89th Street. So please, I beg of you, if you want to continue these conversations, you need to talk to each and every single person in that twob block radius. Every single one of us. And if you don't reach us because
all of the announcements are being hidden and you know the notifications are only being going out to select people, you know, you need to make sure that you hit you canvas and you email us and you call us to make sure that you speak to every single one of us. That's
it. >> Thank you very much. >> Who's next public? Hello, my name is James Curry. I reside at 52 Northeast 90th Street. Um, >> James Curry, 52 Northeast 90th Street.
Um, you guys have done a lot of work. A lot has gone into your planning and stuff like that. I just wish you would have planned a little bit more of going into our neighborhoods and finding out what we want and how you were going to
be fought tooth and nail on this project. You can talk about how you're going to mitigate the traffic. I'm sorry. I lived here for 27 years. It is a disaster. Um US1 has recently put in um these
crosswalks. We when they press the button and all the lights flash. It now is a disaster trying to get up and down Biscane Boulevard. When I 95 is traffic, all of our streets are flooded as it is
now. Now you're going to add something on top of it, a school with these traffic lights. That's one thing. The putting in the school with these high walls looks like a prison. I think it's
going to not help our values at all. I really think it's a beautiful project. It's just not in the right spot. Um what's the what's the trailer park called? Um >> little farm would be an excellent place for that. And I I will I would say yes,
I would be 100% agreeable for your school there. Not in the middle in the heart of Elbertal. >> Thank you very much. Hi everyone. I'm Edna Edelman. I live at 301 Northeast 88th Street. Um I did
reach out to Lauren and we had her over to my house uh to meet with the residents of 88th Street, Northeast 3. Um those of us who are directly impacted by the school. Um, so some of the some
of the concerns that we raised of course were parking and traffic. Um, but I did and I felt that I'm I'm going to voice an unpopular position here, but I am for this school. I was against it. I changed my mind after work talking um to Lauren
and seeing how the willingness to work with us. Um, now there's another issue. We live right next to this church. Um, if there's I would prefer a beautiful school than an eight-story apartment building. Um, the previous proposal was
for something like a citadel with restaurants and bars. Um, I prefer hearing children than intoxicated people in a parking lot um, late at night. Also, um, another point, the school is open nine months a year, five days a
week. Traffic is an issue for pickup and drop off. um >> for five days, nine months. Um I I shudder to think that if this school is not does not go in, what will go in
instead? Um it's zoned for Z4, which is commercial. Um they can also invoke live local um and we get an apartment building. And I know that my neighbor Joanie, who's waiting to hear uh to speak and lives right next door to the
church, uh would not appreciate an eight story building looming over our house. Um, so I I know that a lot of you are opposed to this. You don't like Adam Newman. Um, you don't want a Jewish school. Uh, lots of reasons, but think
about what is going to go into that lot. Um, the church is falling apart. We went on a tour. We could see that it's been exposed to the elements for 20 years and it's deteriorating. It's disintegrating. Um, something needs to go in there. Um,
it's great to say I don't want this and I don't want that, but what do you want? Um, something needs to go in there. And I prefer a beautiful landscape school um to retail or an apartment building. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, >> Joanie Hector, 260 Northeast 88th Street. I bought my house from the church over 41 years ago. I have been its neighbor this entire time. Like Edna has said, I have waffled a lot about
what I thought was best. And I also am in favor of the school being there. I feel that my dealings with Lauren have been very much above board and I agree it would be it would have been much more
helpful to have had some public discussions about this prior to this and the only thing I will say is you know if you've got a hundred people you're going to have a hundred different opinions about what should happen but I will say I know from past experience when the
church was there years and years ago and they'd have weddings at night. If I was in my backyard, the car doors are slamming, people are yelling, it was noisy. I would much rather have noise during the day. I would much rather hear
kids than have my nights and my weekends disturbed by a lot of other traffic by garbage, more garbage with a restaurant or bar involved, rats, raccoons. We already have plenty of those in the
area. I would rather not have more and I think that it is a good solution and it does worry me because the amount of money you've already spent with acquiring the property in order to sell it if this does not go through in order to sell it what in the heck is going to
go in there because I am sure I will not like it whatever it is and so for me personally I can say I think that you've had a great plan I think it's innovative and for people that says what benefits Is it to the community? Well, and
they've talked about opening up the church to have things there. Do you open up your house and have the community come over to your house? These are somebody that owns it. They don't have they don't have to do that. And as far as a wall is concerned, school issues
are a real big problem right now. Our kids safety matters most. And I think having the wall is the only solution you're going to be able to get away with. And that's a sad fact of where we're at right now in society. Hey everyone, Adam Old uh 140 Northeast
86 Street. I actually I I I've been here a long time. Also, uh the church used to have a school in it. Was not a big deal. It was actually kind of cool. Um I don't think like we can't be like not
in my backyard. that's like a bad way for humans to be. Like I don't think we should do that. What I do think we need to do is look at like what does our code say and is this really living up to the
standards that we um put forward in 2013 when the entire village came together and performed the sharet. Um the school I think fits into that concept. It's an educational use. I don't have any problem with it.
What I do have a problem with is that parking lot. Um, our sharet and our zoning code actually specifically prohibit that. And I don't know how this got past staff, but it should not have.
In the parking standards section 24B16, part D subsection 4 says that
parking garages, parking lots, loading spaces shall be masked from the frontage by a liner building and shall be in the rear of the property. So, we did that on purpose. That wasn't
like an accident. Like, we did not want a surface parking lot on Northeast Second. Northeast Second is zoned Main Street and Main Streets with surface parking lots on them suck. And we don't want that. And we wrote it into our
zoning code, which is confusing to me. How did we end up here with something that is like very obvious? Like I got the diagram right here says you can't put it in the first two layers. That has
to be a building. I I don't think it's their fault. I don't know whose fault it is. The manager signed off on it. Previous manager, sorry. Um to me, I'm like that was very clear. I
have, you know, renderings from the Cherrett. to have discussions during um the the resoning in 2014. I think this this is unacceptable land use for our village.
Um it should not have ever even gotten to this point. I would far rather just let the applicant build with no parking. That's what we shouldn't be the ones deciding what the private use has to do this and that per thousand square feet
and you know one parking lot per five seniors in high school which is how it's actually determined. Um like let them decide how much parking they want. Don't demolish homes for it. That's my position.
>> Thank you very much. Greg Steer, 120 Northwest 86 Street. I'm going to go over a couple of things that I've I've already gone over before, but I just want to say uh thank you to the council for voting for the deferral. I think that was a smart move. And for the
Adam Newman group to agree to village halls, I think that's a good move. One thing you didn't mention in your entire presentation was the fact that you're going to tear down Raider Church. Not a single mention. Uh racing permanently part of our history. And not
for nothing, but it seems like a perfect layout for a school to begin with. It was a school. If you look at it, it's a very elegant and functional structure. outside of Li Little Farm. This commercial lot uh is the only commercial lot that we
have that sits directly in the heart of the village. It should be our town square. It should have been a park, but at least it should be a development that is accessible and usable to every single resident and not just to a wealthy few.
I've said this before about parking. I don't am I the only one who se sees a real problem with having a school on one side and parking three blocks away on the other side of Northeast 2nd Avenue? You're going to ask your teachers and your administrators to cross that street
twice a day in all kinds of weather. That's an accident literally waiting to happen. And who's going to get sued? The developer, the the nonprofit school, or the village that approved it? And finally, I just want to talk about the numbers because I think those are
important. Today, the property is assessed at $4 million. So, their taxes are $95,000, which by the way, they haven't paid yet. I don't know if you guys have paid your property taxes. I've paid mine. How many of you are billionaires? Okay.
Still unpaid. Of that 95,000, the village will get once it's paid $35,000. However, in 2026, since they bought it last year for $14 million, their taxes are going to go from 95 to $330,000.
The village will get $120,000 a year forever by doing nothing. Even if we don't approve anything, even if nothing gets built on it, we'll get $120,000 a year. So these concessions are a pittance compared to the money that
they're going to save. Over five years, you're talking about $1.7 million. Over the next 10 years, you're talking about $3.5 million that Adam Newman is going to save and the village is going to get if the school if a nonprof has nothing
to do with this being a Jewish school. It's a nonprofit school, which means they pay no property taxes. So if it's approved, they pay nothing. And of the nothing, we get nothing. >> So think about that. Who's ever sitting across the table when you start to
negotiate these concessions? Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Hey guys. I'm Denise one 173 Northwest 88th Street since what I was 12 years old right so I spoke to
Lauren and Lauren caught me at the end of the meeting she was like oh I need to talk to you I was like hey girl call me up she called my phone we had this long conversation first of all she's a really really nice person right I like her she we had a great conversation went back and forth then we Lauren right she was
free to talk to anybody who wanted to call in and talk to us if you ain't get her number. You got to get her number because she will come all her people. Oh, they caught me off. Okay. Right. >> Oh, you know them, right? Right. So, we had a great conversation. I'm in love
with you, Lauren. You're such a beautiful lady. You are. But, you know, I got a problem with the fact that it's non-inclusive. I already spoke to you about that. >> Now, I understand. I don't have a problem whether it's Jewish, Muslim, I don't care which one it is. I have a
problem with the fact that it's just one set. I'm an all-incclusive person. Y'all know sometimes I'm Haitian, Jamaican. I'd be Puerto Rican if you want me to. But I need it to be allincclusive. That's what I needed to be. The 8ft wall. We don't have nowhere in Elportwau
where you allowed to have nobody's wall, anybody's wall, anybody's bush. They just let my neighbor tore down his whole entire bush. But if you have enough money, I got a teacher voice. I don't need this. If you have enough money, then you get to build an 8ft wall. They said, "No, here we're nice. We're
quiet." Another thing, Life Awards said it. We itsybitsy though. We itsybitsy. And the only thing that your school is going to do is grow. And as it grows, it's going to take up more and more space. We know this because of Kushman. My vice mayor mentioned Kushman. And also Country Day over here. Country Day
look like a whole campus for college. I don't They might as well make it a a college institution. And then let's not talk about the traffic. There's no way to mitigate traffic for pickup and drop off in anybody's school. I'm a teacher. No way. Miami Shores, get out of here.
Elementary. Yo, if I don't get there in time, I'm in that line for a whole hour waiting for my little nephew. I'm not doing it right. Anyway, so I don't know how the people around you going to feel. That's another thing. Next thing, the fact that, oh, you going to be nonprofit, so you're not going to pay us no money. That's another thing. But I
heard my boy say, I was listening to you, sir. You said 25,000. This man just talked about a $100,000, $25,000. Although it's very nice, we got a $500 de deficit. He keep telling me no, but I ain't seen no proof that it's gone away yet. So until he show me proof, Mr.
Mayor, I'm going to keep thinking we got a 500,000 deficit. So $25,000 ain't going to do nothing for us. Poo poo. But you know, um, you know, I'm not finished yet. You and I'm on a roll. I got to keep it going till I'm done. And then you can answer me, right? So now besides
all of that, I'm come back to my council. Number one, I thank you for deferring it. But how you make a a a decision or even vote on something and you ain't heard from us yet? Who does that? You're not listening to us in common welfare in the beginning no more. You done cut that out. What you afraid
of us? You don't want us to talk. We not allowed to get up here and talk and and carry on foolishness. And then you vote. Oh, they done cut me off, y'all. Y'all know I got two more minutes. Just just a little bit. Just a little bit, Mr. Mayor. Now, I'm asking the council
again. I appreciate the fact that you deferred it, but don't defer it so that there's only five of us here the next time you bring it up. >> I need those people who are always here. I need you to be here so that when we not here so you can call us to it so we can fill this room every single time.
I'm in love with y'all. I'm sorry. I don't agree with the fact that if you had a regular school and you was everybody could come, maybe I'd be a little open. I love the fact that it's innovative and that, you know, you going to use nature and you going to save trees. That's really nice. That lady was boring, though. But no,
>> I need your thing to be all-incclusive and I need it to be beneficial for my neighborhood. I'm not asking you to open the door and let us in every down like you're right, ma'am. Nobody's supposed to open the door and let you into their house regularly. Like, but they getting
away with a lot. A whole lot. They saving a whole lot of money. And I'm sorry, y'all make more money than we make. So, we going to keep the front. I'm sorry, Lauren. Nothing personal. I still think you a beautiful person. We going to keep the front. I need y'all
here every time. >> I love you. >> Thank you. >> Tim Bosidity. I live on 149 Northeast 89th Street. Uh, I have traffic concerns with the current plans for the school, but my primary concern is for the off-site parking lot. It's one thing for
Mr. Newman to invest in a otherwise vacant or unused building. Uh, it's an entirely different thing to destroy homes, property values, uh, and quality of life just because he's got the money to do so. And as it's been said before, this does nothing to raise our our
property tax base either. So, putting in a parking lot, uh, adding significant traffic with a subpar traffic plan. I mean, counting on people in Miami to be on time as a traffic mitigant doesn't seem like a good long-term solution. Um,
and but my my biggest issue is like this goes against a lot of the things that we say we're for in Elportal, right? We're we're for nature, we're for tree cover, we're for environmental protection, we're against noise pollution. We want to create community and build community and tearing down apartment buildings,
roofs over people's heads. Um, for a parking lot just seems to be completely against that and against what we're passionate about. And and I think you can see that that was kind of glossed over in the presentation, right? We we focus on the beautiful school and no one wants to talk about apartment buildings
going down for for parking lots. Um and and and look, I think one of the things that we all have to be careful of is um he's he's not here to take it personally, nor do I think he would care, but uh everything that Mr. Newman has touched has been essentially lit on
fire. Um he's got a just catastrophic history of of failure and irresponsible behavior and everyone after him has been left holding the bag. Uh, and so that's that we're being pi we're being pitched
a sequel right now. And I think that's one of the things that we have to make sure that we're very careful about is if this does go forward for the school, what are all the contingency plans for when he blows it up, what happens after?
Uh and my last point would just be uh I would request more visible and longer notice for future meetings both with the village and town halls with the developers. We shouldn't need selfless neighbors uh scrambling last minute to help raise awareness to get us all here
and and thank you for those that that do that. Uh but that's a show. Um we we we like especially for something that is as important to the the fabric of our community. Um with that, thank you and thank you everyone for your time. >> Thank you. Thank you. My name is Patrick Mills. I
live at 166 Northeast 90th Street if you ever want to stop by. >> Thank you. >> I've lived here for 20 years. Inside joke. Sorry. Uh I have three questions.
one, I kind of got a wisp of it that it's a Jewish school, but demographically, do the demographics that this school, the people in this school collectively
have reflect the area that they're in? What are you going to contribute to this area other than couple jobs and God only knows what else you can whip up, but do they reflect the demographics?
Because Elportal is a unique area. The other question is how many parcels of land total because we're only hearing about one parking lot. incidentally, which is right next to my house that this project's allocated. How many
pro how many parcels of land are we talking about? Because we have the school, we have a parking lot somewhere. I think it's at 90th Street in Northeast 2nd. That brings me to my final question.
Let's have a show of hands here. And y'all are included, too. Who would like a parking lot right next to their house? Anybody? You want a parking lot next to your house, pal? Keep smiling.
>> Thank you very much. >> Hi, my name is Pamela Mills. I live at 166 Northeast 90th next to the proposed parking lot. I have a phrase for you. It's called quality of life. Really think about that because we throw it
around. We throw it around. But this whole project is going to disrupt all of our quality of lives. Whether you live next to the parking lot, proposed parking lot that I will be living next to it. impacts my
quality of life immensely. But guess what? It impacts all of yours. And all this wonderful flowery conversation about, you know, it's sustainable and focus, focus, focus on the school, but it's just not the school, it's
everything that goes with it. And I have this thing about, well, if the church falls, you know, what are we going to do? We might as well take the school. Well, why is that an option for us? Why is it either this or that? What about
No, and I'm sorry you did all that work and you have all this input, but it's your job. So, if it doesn't happen, go don't worry about it. You got paid for what you did, all the work you put into it. You got skin in the game, but we live
here. You can go home and put your head on the pillow and say, "Well, you know, the project work out. It's okay. But if you go forward with this project, that's where the quality of life comes in. >> Quality of life.
And you know, you're all elected officials here and we elected you and you're not representing us. If you really listen to us, this project would be no. You're supposed to represent us.
>> Bear that in mind when you make your decision. >> Thank you very much. Hello, my name is Ron Flores. I'm retired engineer. I live on 81 Northeast 88 60 61 Northeast 88th Street, which is
10 houses approximately 10 houses away from where the project is. I go by that. I run by the church or the exchurch twice a twice a week. I drive by twice a day. I go visit my mother twice a day through
there and I always wonder what's going to what's going to go there. Something's going to go there because because we all know it's just it can't just sit there. Something has to happen there. Imagine my surprise when today when I'm always going right by that property, I
find out guess what? There's going to be a school there and they're going to be voting on it today. And I'm like I'm retired engineer. I go through my emails every single day. I go through my mail every single day. I talk to my neighbors. My neighbors don't even know what's going on next to me. I had to
call him next door. I found out nine hours ago. And it's maybe it's not your fault. >> But someone needed to tell us we have what less than a thousand houses in >> El Portal.
>> We canvas. We can go by snail mail. That still works. But we got nothing. Nothing. You know, that's my fundamental problem is that and and it's a little insulting when I find out the website has now
accepting applications when we don't even know if that school is going in yet or I didn't even know what type of school it is. By the way, the plans are beautiful. I I have no problem with with the way it looks. Maybe the wall can be, you know, fixed a little bit, but
>> um you know, there are some other problems. of course the parking lot and I know there's going to be a traffic issue. I I know that you guys have it meets code. Okay, maybe the code needs to be changed then because all you have to do is go by and I go by every day
Miami Shores Presbyterian that little tiny they have 150 students and every time you go by there five days a week during school time it's a mess. Okay, this right here is right in the If you throw a dart and it was a dart board, that would be
the center of our little village here. I love this little village. But now all of a sudden, we're going to have that there. Again, at least it's beautiful, but it's not our only option. I know you guys bought it. And the very biggest problem I have, and I came out of Texas in the
Silicon Valley, I know what property taxes are like. between me and my neighbors on either side of me, we we're paying more than the $25,000 that you guys are going to contribute, you know, and and again, I know you're a nonprofit, but is that the best use for
our little village? I say we need money >> and it could be mixed mixed use, you know. Um, I don't have the answer, but I'm glad we're going to have a forum and I'll have more questions in there. But I just I wanted to bring that up and mostly for the city council sometime
sometime when something like this comes up again, let your constituents know we only have a thousand homes. How many voters are there? It's not that hard. It really isn't that hard. We should have known that something this big right in the center of our town was happening.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Hi everyone. Um I'm Jo Alise. I literally just moved here about eight months ago. So did not know that this was happening. So thank you for having us. And um I have a I don't want to
reiterate what's been said because I think everyone is saying a different version of the same thing. Um so when it comes to traffic, obviously there's concerns. When it comes to quality of life, there's concerns. when it comes to taxes, there's concerns. Um, so I'll give you my perspective and it will
definitely conflict with a lot of the emotional feedback that I'm hearing. I'm thinking about it from kind of like a scientific perspective and also because we did just move here eight months ago, but we did come from 74th Street, Park View Island on the beach, which is right next to another school. And you know,
from that perspective, I did not see our community change. you know, the school there, uh, I think it's called Lurman, was very small when we first moved there about six years ago and then it expanded and it continues to expand and I'm literally three or four block houses
away from there. So, when I moved here, I love the fact that this is such a beautiful, quaint community. I'm Dominican. I grew up in this environment. This was this is like reminding me of home. With that being said, as someone who I work in tech, I work in um, engineering and AI. So
seeing a school that is bringing forth a place where people and I do think it is going to be inclusive, right? Um I'm sure there's going to be scholarships and things of that sort. Let me land my plane, please. Um so when it comes to and maybe that's something they should
consider, right? Like inclusiveness and scholarships and things of that. That's not my my my my ground there. But what I will want to say is that I would love a place in Florida, in Miami that is known as a go-to destination for STEM, for people that want to have kids in
technology, especially minorities, especially across all different ages and ranges because there's just not enough people in careers in tech. And as someone who um works in this field, there's not many of us. And I do know that there is um the school already did
start taking applicants. there's kids that are going in an alternate school for this because I did do a little bit of research before I came here. Um, I do think that if we're known as a destination where people are bringing children that want to be in these type of careers that are trying to advance
their children in AI, it is a very big win for the community. It will bring forth other people. You don't have to agree. This is just me from my perspective working in the field and knowing how many people will love to have their children know about technology, understand AI and understand this different because there's no
schools that do that. So I think they're opening a new channel and we can be a destination where people our property values will go up because my property value went up significantly in 74th Street. So that's all I have to say. Thank you.
Hello, my name is Mayor 298 Northeast 87. I am actually in a belief that uh it will increase the property value. I I know the people that will come, you know, parents that will have their kids, they would rather also walk to school
and not drive and traffic and everything. I see the schools. I don't have kids, but I know that after school hours, the place is a quiet place. And if the developer already owned the property,
I don't want another citadel next to my house until 11:00 p.m. with drunk people. So, I rather have a place that by 5:00 p.m. Again, I don't have kids. Maybe five is the hour. Maybe five, maybe six. I don't know. But I know that drunk people stays late and they're
allowed. And I'm in favor for the school and I know that there will be solutions and I noticed I wasn't in the past meet in the previous meeting but I see that they work and they listen and they work and they trying to fix. So it's good that we raising questions and I feel that it's
on you guys to actually help so everybody's happy. But I also know because I'm a sport fan, people say Ronaldo better than Messi and it's not true. >> And there's a lot that you're gonna try and you will never hear. Okay, now we like you. So I feel that my point is
they own it. You guys rather a commercial space with bars, restaurants, and drunk people or school. For me, it's it's either this or this cuz it's not it's not going to be a park. There's never going to be a park
there. >> It's not going to be a park. It's Elportal and they offer to keep it green. Homes homes will not be green. Will be a building. It will be a building. This is me. This is what I see. This is the plan that I'm reading. I rather see the greenery and kids
studying about um self-defense and martial arts and uh what do you call me, you know, other things that the Chad GPT will not answer for them in the future. Now he's you know it's it's a new concept that I'm all for it and maybe
will motivate me since I'm some couple of doors away to also have kids. So I'm in favor and I rather that than something else. If you guys vote against this land will turn into something that may be more negative. You can't always
say just no. No, no. We have to also see what's the alternative. And the alternative for me is worse. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hello. My name is Craig Smith. I'm at 285 Northeast 88th Street. And uh I moved to the village 25 years ago from
San Francisco and um I don't know if a lot of you only a few probably know the story but my neighbor was the former mayor um Audrey Edmonson at that point. She was served as mayor of the village and then went on to serve as mayor of the county commission. And she as I was unpacking she said we really like to get younger people that are newer to the
village. I was younger then to get involved. And she asked if I would run run for the council and I did. And one of the things that I love about this meeting is hearing so many strong voices. There's so much passion in the room and I hear that and I think that's one of the things that makes this village unique. Um I'm a big believer in
public service. I served for one term on the council. I'm also a big believer that council members should rotate that you should, you know, do your service and then give other community members a chance. So I encourage you, this is an election year, right? >> Yeah. Run for office. Get involved. knock on doors and these concerns that
you have, you know, actually do get involved. Do more than vote and come to these meetings. Uh I think it's so important. You know, it is your village. I was when I heard about this project for the first time, I was concerned about the process about hearing about it last minute. I was concerned living on
88th Street near Edna and Joanie about the effect on the property values of our house. I was concerned about traffic. I was concerned about quality of life. All those things. And I really appreciate Lauren, you know, you took the time to uh and you did say after the meeting were available for anybody. You took the
time to meet with our neighbors. I encourage you to go to the town hall meetings. You answered all the questions. We had about a dozen main concerns and you answered them all and that's part of what's being proposed here. I know that's that's going to change. It can be adjusted in terms of the contribution and how it's laid out.
Uh the paving of the street, the parking concerns. If you look around Miami and I I as I drive around, I'm astounded. Every time I go to Windwood, new buildings have gone up. You look at what's come going on here, what's going to happen in the little farm. Development is here. It's coming. Huge developments in Little Haiti around
here. So, we can't stop that. And I don't believe that we can be just a no. If it is not the school, and the school we all agree is beautiful, what's it going to be? A friend of mine was the developer who owned this before and they were going to do the restaurant pizza
place offices. I think generally I mean there was there was upset too of the change of that and and I know um Ed and others said I don't they like the idea of night life or people being there like making it a citadel but that wasn't financially feasible. So something's going to happen there and we're not the owner of it so we don't get to decide
and my concern is that if it's not this beautiful school what's it going to be? And so, uh, this developer has, um, invested in it. It's a quality project. I think that it's important to note that the people right there on 88 that that have met with Lauren that we're
satisfied with what we've heard. Is there more work to be done? For sure. Um, but I think the best that we can hope for is to have good neighbors. And I really appreciate you're taking the time and your continuing willingness, you know, to do these town hall meetings and to and to and to listen. So, and I
just would encourage everybody to just not just be a no, but to listen and to think about what you would like instead. So, thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Good evening, Alport residents. Um, thank you for allowing me to speak um to express my point of view. I want to
begin first by saying that when the council member mentioned that there are a lot of new faces here, faces who were not here at the last meeting. >> These are individuals, select individuals that Lauren met with. Okay? And they were, I'm sure, encouraged to
come to the meeting to express their point of view. What you should have done at the last meeting was go to each and every person present and give them your contact information so that they can speak with you and not just allow them to try to find where you are, what your
number is because if you are open to having people come and for you to explain to them exactly the process what's going to happen um you know I think they would be more welcoming. What you have to understand is that Alpertell is a community. I have first
of all 48 Northeast 86th Street. I failed to to provide that information. I have been a resident since 1998. So I have seen Alport go through many many changes and this is the best that it has been for a very very long time.
We are a community, many ethnicities, demographics and we all just seem to come. It's a melting pot. we come together, street parties, whatever what wherever you are from, people are
accepted, right? And I think that many are reluctant to accept the idea because of the fact that the the the students are coming from outside. They're not coming from Elportal. And so that alone that creates a block,
a wall where people are thinking, well, this isn't for us. There is this is actually profit the it's going to profit you the owner and whoever else is coming but don't talk to us about well inside yes the plants and the this and that
we're not going to see them it's behind a closed wall it's true I understand the aesthetics and everything but this has going to do nothing for Elortell yes there's a school there building there it's been empty for a very long time I've been
here I've seen seen the many different occupants. Correct. But I think we need a lot of visibility. First of all, we need to feel that we can trust you and that you're not coming in to do something to benefit you, to
benefit whoever the owner is. Correct? We want to know, we want to be a part of this process and to know that whatever decisions are are being made are not going to affect us. I live a block away from your from the proposed site. When
there's a lot of traffic on Northeast 2nd, I'm on 86th Street. Okay. Everyone cuts in front of my house. So, I'm between North Miami and Northeast 2 and the traffic sometimes I have a dog. I've almost gotten hit before where I've had
to bring it to the attention of a police officer. So, it's dangerous. But we just want to know that. Okay. I have two minutes and it's not going to be much longer, but we just want to know that you are working with this visibility. We don't want any surprises.
Yes, the owner of course has to you you are working for the owner and everything that you're saying is on his behalf, but we want to know what's in it for us. How are we going I don't want to pay taxes for this property.
>> Okay. I don't I have my own taxes to pay and if I don't pay my taxes, you know what? They put a lean on my property. So, I do not want to be responsible for a nonforprofit. So, I think then the the village should come up with some idea to
make up for the difference. Come with us with ideas that we will find that we where we will say, "Okay, we're willing to work with you." Okay? And I know that they've said many good things about you. We would appreciate if you could share
your your information with us so that the next even if it's not a a a council that we can reach out and speak with you but it's visibility that's extremely important. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hello. Good evening. Um my name is Neil
Breuro. Uh I live at 8920 Northeast 2nd Avenue. Um there have been a lot of really um good arguments both for and against the the school. Um I don't have a very strong opinion about um the school. Um I'm probably one of the only
few um renters uh in El Pal. Um I live uh just a couple depending on I've I've heard different rumors about which of the the buildings on Northeast Second A are going to be demolished. I'm either uh one house away or right next to the
demolition site. Um and um that really concerns me both personally, you know, because I don't want a construction site right next to where I live, but um actually more profoundly um just the fact that so I moved in um five and a
half years ago. Uh and the block that I'm on was full of people, families renting, um in in different apartments. Um, and over those five and a half years, um, we've just seen this like dramatic loss of our neighbors, the
people right across the street from us, which was a family uh, with kids and dogs, moved away, and now it's like a short-term rental space on some website. We can't seem to find it. Um, but people seem to like go in for a little bit and then and then leave. Um, and then the
space directly next to it had tons of families living in it. Um and then that's been redeveloped into some sort of like strange office space. Um and so and we've just heard about um neighbors directly north of us who have gotten a
60-day notice to vacate their property. Um and that's really devastating for us that our neighbors are being forced out of um their their homes. Um, you know, there's the worry that that our landlord who has um, you know, dipped his toe
into selling his property, um, that like he might be next. Um, and hopefully I didn't just give you an idea to try and uh, kick us out of our apartment. But um yeah, it's it's really sad to think of the the neighbors who we say hi to every
day um suddenly moving away um and and then them being replaced with a parking lot. As beautiful as you may make it, um it's still going to be a parking lot and um we need more housing and more affordable housing in Elport Hall. A lot of people have talked about their
property values. Um my concern is rent um and and making sure that there are a good amount of people in our community who can afford to live in our community um who aren't able to purchase a house,
especially the beautiful homes in Elportal. Um I think that's everything I wanted to say. Um thanks. Alexandra Basa, 120 Northwest 36 Street. Um, first of all, I really want to express my um excitement about having um
this open forum as a and the possibility of a town hall as opposed to a private meetings behind closed doors. And you know, as generous as your offer of um giving your personal phone number uh is,
I don't think it's appropriate. I think official businesses should be open to the public um regardless if you like their feedback or not. Um then um and that also is you know kind of about
transparency which is kind of a recurring item in in these uh meetings. Um then I would be um I would like to bring to attention to the fact that not is not necessarily a be being opposed to
a school um and you know what what the Dr. Word say is about all the changes and signing that you will be required for this for this project. Not necessarily this particular uh lot but
all the all the different lots that will in are included in the project now and will be included in the future because I'm sure this is not going to be the first one. So uh we have to consider since you know the plus studies ne were
never completed we don't have as strong planning on signing code as we should we have to be very careful uh for each project that gets approved because each one sets precedent for the next one. So
I asked the neighbors uh not to think this as an isolating item like think oh this is going to affect my property. This is not you know I this is the kind of project that I want just next to me. It does affect everyone here. The this
commercial lot is like so many others have said is at the heart of the of Elportal and it will be a great opportunity for having some something that is more uh inclusive doesn't necessarily have to be a school
can be a school or not but inclusive to everybody. So that would be a you know a loss opportunity if that is not the case. Um that that would be I think that's and yeah last last thing is for those that
think that it's going to be just a you know a parking lot. Um I think 43 parking spaces very quickly you're going to find are not adequate. So most likely will be more like two or three story parking garages.
uh so it's don't see it as is presented today because this is just phase one again I am not opposed to this but we have to be careful that is aligned with the vision of what the residents have
now and in the past that's thank you >> thank you very much >> hello Jessica Cassinelli 386 Northeast 88th Street uh Lauren and we've met before. I will leave my comments about the school for the town hall. I would like to say thank you to vice mayor for
the motion to defer and have a town hall for these conversations. My commentary is for the full council. I believe as Craig, my neighbor, has stated earlier, development is coming to Elportal. We see it in our surrounding neighborhoods. With that being said, I do want you guys
to consider that motions like any development offer should now be fully addressed and standardized to be presented with town halls future moving forward. In addition, areas like what has happened in the past with the
Kavista building, how we have been left holding a bag also need to be addressed as well to prevent these from happening in the future. I recommend a standardized plan for town halls as well as assessments done by city managers for
all the how it's going to have an impact on our community as well. Thank you very much. >> Good evening. Uh Ken Hector, 260 Northeast 88 Street. Um, my wife was up here earlier. She's all for the school.
Um, I'm torn. I am not for it or against it. I'm I'm torn title totally with it. In fact, uh, we live so close to the school. See this wall here? That's my backyard. Okay. I don't know. Anybody could put their hand up and it's going to be their backyard. I guess
nobody, but that's going to be a backyard. Um, I've been living in Elportal since 1999. There was a school there at the time and I worked at home. There were little children playing. It was it was an enjoyable time. In fact,
one of the last things that was done there was a memorial for my mother-in-law who passed away. After that, we've had about six developers there. And I just want to say that I'd like to see a developer do something with the property. uh because we really
need to get that this building is just falling apart. It's been there for 20 over 20 years. So, please keep that in mind. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> I'm back. Denise White, 173 Northwest 88th Street. There were two things I forgot to say because I was up here
ranting like I didn't have no sense. Right. So, number one, a parking lot. I'm a teacher. Um I don't know about you, but my school is right here. My parking lot is right here. No teacher don't walk from down the street to go to their school to go to a parking lot. So
then that makes us go, is it really going to be a parking lot, though? Couldn't they just have parking right there on the property somewhere? Or are they going to make it so big that they're not going to include 43 little parking spaces right there? Like, why is it down the street? And why would a
teacher walk? Not even a teacher. Why would a principal walk from all the way down the street to go to the school? That's number one. I don't understand that. But, you know, again, if they get it passed for whatever they special variance, special acceptance, if they get it
passed for special acceptance and let's say, I don't know, we bother them till they don't want to make a school no more. They could do whatever they want if they get it passed, right? They can they can make it into they they can make it into whatever. Well, sort of kind. Okay. Anyway, that's a question. That's that's that's number one. Number two,
they say, "Well, it's their property. They get to do what they want." Look, I got a property. I want to live. I want to remake a yellow school bus into my house. I can't do that here at Elportal. Why? Cuz we got rules. And they said, "No,
nothing with wheels. I own the property. I own the property, but because of the rules of the city, I can't have a yellow school bus that I live in the back of my mama house with, you know, I can't I can't have it." So then why does Oh. Oh,
maybe it's cuz y'all got more money than me. Is that why you can have a a foot wall and get to do what you want? Oh, Lauren. Come on, Lauren. Anyway, yeah, I saw her. >> I saw that. Call me. I saw her.
>> Have to I saw that. >> No, no, no. I saw that coming. >> Okay, cool. Cool. >> Good evening, everyone. My name is Jason. 280 Northeast 88th Street. Um, I'm new to the village somewhat. Uh, my
wife has, um, pretty much grown up in the village. Um, and we did everything we could to buy her aunt's house when she was selling it. So, we're in the process of construction and putting everything we have into this
house to make it a beautiful home for our neighbors and for our family. And we are two doors down from the proposed area. So, we we are in real estate and we're pro-development
within reason and we I will second the fact that Lauren is a great person. You know, we spoke with her earlier and Jeff. Um, but with schools there, I would really like some more clarification on the 350 that you said
it will never be more than that because I've been a part of schools. I first came here to go to Barry University and I've seen how they've expanded their campus perpetually. And every school that I've seen has always been expanding always and always.
And today's zoning meeting was supposed to be about that one simple little lot that was once a single family house that is now being asked to be converted to the mixeduse. When will it stop? Where will it stop? It's already the deepest
lot into a residential neighborhood uh out of the commercial corridor. So, yes, if you guys get approved now, will the next house the house next to me now be taken over?
Will my house now become the next house? And I know that's a little self-centered, but we all have to think like, yes, it's a parking lot and you you might not be speaking up as loudly as the next person cuz it doesn't directly affect you right
now, but you don't know what's coming down the road when it's a school. If it's a business and it it provides commerce, it provides jobs, it provides walkability, it provides, you know, things that we would enjoy as a
community as opposed to an exclusive school that we explicitly asked, would you allow neighborhood kids in it? And they were told, we were told explicitly, no. >> Um, I I just don't see the value right now
in the way that it's proposed. Maybe if things were adjusted, maybe if there's more revenue paid out every year, maybe if it benefits the community in a better way. I would love to hear that. But as it's proposed right now, we're definitely against it. And
there needs to be, you know, a better proposal that benefits the community more. That's all I got to say. Thanks. >> Thank you. Velvet Connelly, 355 Northeast 87th Street. So um I third, fourth, fifth
what everyone has said about you Lauren you know I have grown to have so much respect for you and you have shown me personally and you know people in the meetings that you know we've been able to have that you really are genuine that
you're sincere um and that you care and I think that that's a lot more than what we can ask for a lot of times with developers when they come in with a certain temperament um so I think that in and of itself is advantageous to us as a community. Um, and I really do like
the idea of the school in terms of what they're proposing academically. The look and the feel of the school feels nice. Um, I've said this to Lauren and I want to just say this. I've spoken
to a few people on the council about it. In general, I'm very concerned as a village about our position when it comes to people coming into our community that there is this idea that seems to have
gotten out that people can come into the community, they can benefit from the community we've built and they can offer little to nothing to the community and somehow that's okay because they made a purchase. I find that to not only be unacceptable,
but I think it's it's our responsibility when we figure out where does the buck really stop. I think it's our responsibility and the responsibility of our council to set the tone that people understand that they cannot present projects that don't have a clear and
tangible benefit to our community somehow someway. It's up to them to present those ideas. It's not for us as the community to then have to feel like we have to lobby for understanding of well well what are we going to do here together if you want to come into this
community. You need to spend time in your presentation explaining what you will add to the community. And the thing is a lot of times yes when people come in and pay taxes then it is it's okay well I'm I'm a taxpaying citizen. But when you're proposing a project that
doesn't pay taxes will impact the lives of the community, then I think you also have a responsibility to present along with that. But here's the compensating factor. This is what I will do to benefit the community. I know Lauren's team has done a lot and is willing to do
a lot. Lauren has expressed that clearly. They're willing to do a lot. One of the ideas that I heard at the previous meeting that I felt got washed over and I just wanted to bring it to the forefront. Whether this is practical or not, I would just like to bring it to the front
of the conversation. Um when they were discussing the parking lot at the last meeting, Urban made a comment and he said, "I don't know why the developer didn't decide to build up build something on top of the parking lot, a two to threetory structure that
has a replacement of is it okay, mayor? that has a replacement for the commercial uh properties on the ground level and then above that a two to three story building that would have some kind of community use and the parking lot
underneath. That's what Urban said. Lauren said, "Well, maybe that's possible. You know, we'd be open to that." After that, I watched that video and I spoke to the mayor about, "Well, what if they built up and it was a community center? There was something that had programming for the community. there was a place where events could be
held, office spaces, whatever. Right? So, we talked about this. We walked the site. It seems like it could be feasible. I know it's a budgetary issue, so I'm not saying that they have the money to do that. I think Lauren has said she doesn't think so. But for me,
whether it's that or not, something commensurate with that size, it has to be the impact that this is going to have on the community, what is given back needs to be of equal size and value. And I think it just has to be that way. Whatever it is, it just has to be equal
and right size. So for me, that's not really a I mean, for them, they're bringing in a project. I would encourage the team to think of things like that and include that in the future conversations that people don't have to ask you, but you say, "Hey, this is what
I'm bringing." I think that would go a long way, but I think it's up to our council to make that a standard and a requirement and not some nice to have. >> Thank you very much. Noel Pace, uh, 206 Northwest 91st
Street. Um, also, my wife has a preschool, uh, the building that's right across the street on 87th Street, Miss Claudia's Village Academy. We've been in uh, Elportal for since 2008. So, we've been homeowners, business owners. Uh, and so, you know, first of all, I to
reiterate, Lauren, you know, we spoke with you. you're hey you're you're doing a great job for your your employer and and and uh we appreciate your efforts. Um, uh, what I'm concerned about is is that I think that, you know, I I think
we love education and we love the idea of the school and, you know, the the treehouse fortress concept that, you know, you guys have going here is is is really interesting and I I love talking to, you know, hearing about your design for for the deciduous trees and all those things. The thing is is I'm, you
know, we and we talked about it. You know what's the rule number one in real estate? It's location, location, location, right? What's rule number two? >> Well, that and don't get emotionally tied to a piece of property, right? And so we have talked about and there was
another gentleman who said it and and I I think that Elortell is a great community and would welcome you, but I'm not sure this is the right spot and that's what I've shared with you. I'm going to share with the town. I've shared it with all of you. I I know that you have a lot of options here and you have especially a large option. I think
another gentleman mentioned I know I mentioned it last meeting of the little farm. Okay. On the river has tremendous nature capability there as what fits into the the school uh uh theme and and your your mission there. And so the
thing is is what concerns me is we had four hours of feedback at the last meeting and at this meeting not one change or proposal, not one modification, not one anything. And so and so I I I think it I think they
probably cut you a break in the fact that now you guys have some time to take more feedback and have town halls and maybe, you know, look at a couple different options because I don't I don't think this the village is anti-school. I think they're anti-school at that particular location. So, um, and
that that's just me reading the room. Now, now we do have a couple of of people here that make comments that, you know, they may live right next to the school or so on. You know, I am concerned as Violet mentioned, you know, we we already have, and I appreciate the transportation guy saying the county
approved this. Okay. In terms of transportation, the county also approved Miami Shores shutting off its streets and pushing cars into our in our uh area where our streets are depreciated more because of all the extra traffic. Now, we're talking about additional traffic
here. So, that's what I'm saying is like, you know, and and any project that goes in there is going to need a sewer. Okay? It's not just you guys. It's anything that's there. So, so please just reook the plans. look at a I I personally think I think the town would be behind putting the school at the
little farm. Um and I mean if if you guys really want a school, I think that's the place and and I think that may uh help you. So that's it. But you know, again uh we've been above board and hey, we think you're delightful and uh thanks very much. Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Pascal Deool, 177 Northwest 90th Street. We've been in the village for almost 30 years. Uh we run some business in the village. We've lived here. We love it. Um I love the the design. It's beautiful. The school looks absolutely fantastic. It looks like a great little
place. But we had the distinct honor in on Northwest 90th Street this last half year to experience school traffic from Horseman because we had um a roundabout that went in and that blocked all the traffic that normally goes down normal
streets and we got to see buses tear up our swailes and destroy property and make a mess of something like that. If you I don't know who did your traffic study, but if you just sit on Northeast 2nd in the morning, in the afternoon, I
don't know how you can fit another car in there. 88th is the the 88th Street is the narrowest street we've had in the village and you guys want to have cars come in and out of that for 350 people. Even if you're staggering this,
you guys don't have the best track record here. not you guys, but us as the village council here don't have the best track record of figuring out how to run traffic in our experience when we did the roundabout. So, I just know that
unless you widen Northeast Second, you're going to have an issue with traffic. We already have an issue with traffic without an extra 350 people in there. And then we love to give back to the community. We have places we rent here. We rent out to people. We love our
tenants here and we love to see we love to give back and we love to see somebody giving back. We pay taxes. We add something to the community and for you guys to come in and say we're going to do something, not
pay anything for it or pay a smittance. You know, the $25,000 a year is cute. Um, I just would like to see a little bit more. And again, I agree with what's
been said here. I don't think it's the right place. The school's beautiful. We're not against it. We're against it there. >> Thank you very much. Okay. Uh Daniel Roas, 60 Northeast 86 Street. Uh just want to say I've been
I've been on the fence with this project since the start because the structure I don't think you could have a better structure for like or a better like more thoughtful plan with regards to environment and plants and drainage than this. But uh but there's a
few things I still don't like and that's why I'm looking forward to the town halls and I appreciate that we deferred this and that we're going to have at least two town halls to discuss it. Um my biggest concern is just like everybody else, the parking lots not adhering to our code. Uh the
disappearance of housing and no plan to make up for it or for the revenue. Uh the exclusivity of the of the school when when we're say we love the community, we love what it is, but then we have 8 foot walls to keep us away
from everything else. Um, so and I think these are all things that we can discuss in town halls and maybe work up to something. Uh, a concern of mine is that we had discussions that day of four hours like somebody else said and we also had those private discussions about
our concerns and things that we like to see, but we today we heard the same the same spiel as we did in the last meeting. So hopefully we can get some change and something that actually works for the city because I would like to see this work for us. Um but uh but again
I'm still on the fence but I'm I'm looking forward to town halls and thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Uh good evening. My name is Warner Dreer 486 Northeast 87th Street. So uh again just want to thank Lauren uh you hosted
that meeting. I was at NASA's house. So, thank you very much for reaching out to the community. Uh just have one question, a couple questions here regarding the process. Uh I know you presented the the offer list, right, and those bullet points. So, I want to
understand how is that being negotiated? Who from the council has been involved, right? And how engaged has each of the council members been involved? So uh and also are we going to have uh the rest of the residents have a voice in what we want if definitely that you when the
project about the project that offer list. So um is that something that's going to be opened up in the town hall meeting uh for other residents to see where they would like to actually what can be contributed to the village. Right. So uh that's where I'm at just
trying to understand that process. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. So I can answer that. So at the town hall meeting you guys, everything's open. So it's a broad and it's a macro meeting, right? So everything will be addressed at the town hall meeting. Um, as far as development agreements, it
always starts out where the manager, manager, and mayor, um, we put out our initial wants and then they come back with their responses and it goes back and forth with that, including the attorneys for the developers and the attorney for the village of Alport. And that's just how it usually goes. If
anybody wants to see my original ask, just uh, contact me or just come up to me and give me your email address. I'll forward it right over to you and so you can see how that looks. Okay. I'm sorry to ask uh is there a more descriptive
uh statement besides and thank you mayor you you shared your list with me but is there going to be a more descriptive statement regarding those bullet points that were put on that presentation how is that going to be involved into the service agree into the agreement so that's where I'm at trying to understand
yes >> yeah so what they presented tonight that's their version of what they feel like they'd be willing to This has nothing to do with final negotiations at all. So, so what what you're saying is as far as what they're showing is at the final version. It's
not the beginning of the final. >> Correct. Yes. And will the rest of the uh residents will they have the the opportunity to say, well, I'm more, you know, I'm concerned about 87. How 88th Street changing one direction. How is
that going to impact 87 Street, 89 Street? Perhaps we might want to see where some idea. So >> absolutely and understand and understand also that development agreements are separate from site plans, >> right? Like they don't go they don't go
together. So development agreement it's its own like road on its own. All right. It's separate from the site plan. So that's another thing also to kind of keep in mind. Is this sorry to ask is this offer list is that going to be
embedded into the agreement into or how is that going to be somehow >> the offer list that they have? >> Yes. How how are >> I don't whatever they have is what they have now development agreement the agreement itself has to be um authored
and has to be put through with both attorneys involved and all that type of stuff. So that >> okay. So for in the future we could perhaps see you know make sure it's being >> being sane whatever it was agreed. Yeah >> for sure. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Hi George Alvarez. I live at 165 Northwest 88th Street. Mr. Mayor, we had a conversation recently where it was suggested that in addition to other methods of input for which I thank the
vice mayor um to her her gracious idea to put uh to uh be a proponent of of a town hall. Might there also be a tech answer, a simple Google sheet for which people can
make suggestions. I'm sure some of them will be outlandish. Some of them will be egregiously nimi, but I bet some of them will show quite a bit of wisdom. And I think there is something to be said in the wisdom of the masses. And this might be uh the thing that starts people so
that when there is a town hall, we can all come correct and we can speak cheerfully and honestly and maybe even realistically after we've tested our own ideas. I think that might be fairer to the applicant, quicken things up a little bit. I have no doubt that through the
swamp that you guys just waited through, you did get a good list of things that you're going to have to respond to, honestly. And I hope you take it seriously because there is a wisdom here in this mass. Secondly, I want to say
if there's one thing that I heard tonight there is some disapproval of the school. There's a lot of approval of the school, but there's a whole lot of conditional thinking about
the school. I think I think that some of the list of concessions that the mayor um was asking for, one of them about kind of cloaking a potential parking lot to appear like
the rest of the building, that's literally in our code. >> So that's not a win for us. That's something that you're obligated to do. Mr. Calderon or I'm sorry the engineer from uh from Calran
he mentioned basically adhering to the minimum required tenants of Miami date county with regards to traffic control. We need better than that. So help us help you, right? Like I think you guys
can come up with some creative solutions and we will too. So, this is not a way of being like a bully or anything like that and we hope that the same comes from you guys. Um, that we will earnestly try to work together.
I wonder if this school as proposed was a smaller proposal. Its site plan was smaller. Its capacity was smaller and some parking at least were reserved for the site plan that is now known as
Raider. I wonder if there might be some more support here. I think it's unbelievably unfair to expect the residents of 90th Street and of 89th Street along Second Avenue, especially west of Second Avenue, to
bear the burden of cars waiting and idling twice a day to get in and out of whether it's a parking lot or a glorified parking garage by Renzo Piano or whoever. It doesn't. The point is they're going to suffer the consequences of that and that's where way of life as
one of the people who I I don't know if still is here uh mentioned really comes into play. So you guys have an opportunity to solve those problems before there are problems. It may take some things that you don't want to hear that you don't want to do but when you
want to be a part of a community sometimes you make compromises and I'm going to advocate for compromises. Frankly, I I think the cool sounds the school sounds pretty cool. I'd like to learn how to be a DJ, but
the school in the context of its current plan and proposal, I cannot really agree with. And it's because of things that you've heard about already. The possibility that you guys end up using live local at a later point. the
possibility that any agreement that we make with you, and by the way, $25,000 a a year is is is is is really nothing. As somebody said, it's it's cute. At $25,000 a year, everybody, in 30 years,
we could have another roundabout at 91st and Northwest Second. So, that is to say, we like you, Lauren. That is to say the offer is not good enough whether or if if the school I said this to you before I'm not the king
of El Patrtel. This is the king of El Patel right here. This is the body politic and we get to have this process of which we do not get to vote. These are the people who get to vote on our behalf. We may cajul them. We may talk about them behind their back, but we
believe most of them to be honest and earnest in their dealings with us, and we certainly hope that to be the case. That said, when, and this goes for everybody, when there's a meeting and the meeting
has this many people in it, the answer is no. Or it's no for now. and that's where the space exists. So, thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Thank you, Mr.
>> Sorry, quick point of housekeeping. Velvet Connelly, um 355 Northeast 87 Street. So, we had discussed with the mayor at a meeting last week about setting up a Google Drive for anybody that wants to add to the current list
that he's putting together of what would be included in the development agreement for us as the community to be able to add what we'd like to see in there. Uh, the mayor gave permission for us to set up a Google Drive so that whoever's added to that can just add their line
item. So, anybody that wants to be added to that Google Drive, if you would just please give me your email address and then uh the mayor would have this running list from the community of things that we all might want to see included in the agreement. Did I say
that right? Okay, perfect. >> Thank you. >> Hello, Alita. um 12 Northeast 90th Street. I would like to thank the council members because they're enduring all of our concerns and everything. And
then I know you take them to heart and I know you will be listening to us. Thank you for suggesting the town hall. That was also very beneficial in the previous conversations we've had. This is not just about the school. The school is only 30,000 lot. And if that was the
case that you wanted to build a school, you could have built a nonprofit school on that particular lot and not turn our village to parking lots like all around. It's not about only, you know, there's so far we know that only two
multifamilies are being uh converted to garage, but we also know I just heard from a lady tonight that her h someone had offered to buy her house to also turn it into another parking lot. So like a previous represent uh previous
resident said that uh this will be continuous the game buy more lots and it will not stop just with the two lots behind the church being asked to be converted to commercial. This will continue to two more additional residential properties behind these two
other and then we will have not just a half of a block but we will have the entire block. Therefore, on that note, I would suggest to the council members to please demand the city of Elportal to give you a planning and zoning attorney,
to give you a real estate development attorney, to give you um a fiscal tax expert or attorney so you can have the proper knowledge that how are you making these decisions. It's an
Thank you. It's not absolutely true to say that it's not going to affect us. It will affect our taxes. It will affect our properties. We are already paying more for projects that are coming to Elportal. And like previous residents
said also, we are not allowed to even keep like a 4T bushes in front of our properties. And now we're talking for walls. And if that's the case and then we all decide let's all build our eightfold walls.
Let's all have protect our properties individually like you deserve to do. And again the school is perfect. You can build it on that 30,000 lot. Go ahead and do but do not think that we will allow you to change our beautiful city
into garage. Absolutely it will not happen. I'm not going to say over my bed dead body, but we have all lived here for 13 years. We have endured all of these changes and we will continue to live in this neighborhood and my
daughter will enjoy this neighborhood and period. >> Thank you very much. Hello, my name is Thomas Polium, 205 Northeast 86th Street. I'm literally right around the corner on the corner of 86th and Northeast 2nd Avenue. Um, I'm
really specifically uh concerned about the CALR and traffic study. um does not look at 86 and 85th Street at all um whatsoever. And the specific area I'm on um on that street, you know, it's actually a double street, 85th and 86th
together. Two streets are converging into one. Um really concerned about the traffic impact through Sherwood Forest. Um people avoiding 87th Street or whatever, trying to get around. um how that specifically is going to impact um
85th and 86th Street intersection at Northeast uh 2nd Avenue. I was really surprised to see um that that location was absent from the traffic study. Um and for me that's really a mustave to understand, you know, if this is something I'm would be in favor of or
not. Um in addition being so close, I'm very concerned about um a lot of people have talked about quality of life. Uh noise pollution is one big concern. Um that's a part of quality of life. Um if you're having people out there directing
traffic, whatnot, are they going to have whistles? Are they going to have megaphones? Like what is that actually going to entail? Um and what is the noise impact actually going to be? um part of the uh six-f figureure plus
Serbia study and workshops that we were doing last year, which we're waiting to see that come to fruition. Not sure when that's going to happen. Was supposed to be in the fall. Um now we're in January of the next year, almost February. Um but some of the top concerns there had
to do with uh noise and lighting uh nuisances. Um so we've had conversations about this before. um very interested in what the uh noise impact uh is expected to be with this. Um my last point,
there's been a lot of speculation about the condition of the current facility in the church. Um if there's really real concern there, I would love to know, has the uh village building department gone out? Have they done an evaluation? Have they condemned it? Is it a non-safe
building? um or is that just you know why is that in the ether because there's been no proof uh brought to the table of what condition it actually is in um and if it requires demolition or or what not. I know it's been there a long time. Probably not in great repair, but where
is the building department on this? Do we even have a building department uh representative or official at this meeting tonight? Yeah, I I don't think so. So that's uh another huge area that should be involved in the concepting and
evaluation of this project. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> We're going to be really brief this time. Jason 280 Northeast 88 Street. Uh this is for the council. I do want to reiterate what the lady before the last gentleman, the lady by the door said. It
is very important that we have the proper vision for not just two years down the road, 10 years down the road, 20 years down the road because this this corridor
is so important to the lifeline to the to to the to the life of this city and the and the thriving of this city. We have literally from 86 to 90th Street to and that's it. We don't have any room for mistakes. And a mistake
or poor planning or an oversight will have decades of ramifications if it's not really ironed out and and and really looked at with a magnifying glass. And if that means going out and
getting people that have had experience bringing a small city with this size of a population or with just a small amount of of of of space to deal with and turning it into a successful thriving community, not saying that you guys are
not capable of it. I'm just saying that there are there are the developers. They have teams of experts that have decades in their field of development and we are all passionate about El Portal and where
we want to see it go. But if our main job is not development, we should definitely look to see who we can bring on to negotiate. Not to say that this school can never happen or that it's not the, you know, that it's it's not going
to bring like I think bringing a sewer down Second Street is going to create a lot of opportunities. Second Avenue, sorry, is going to create a lot of opportunities in the future. 10 years down the road, there's going to be thriving businesses because of it. But with all the stuff that we have in place
for design and what type of businesses can go on on that street, it just we need now is the time if we're going to be making a decision on what should go there. Now is the time because this property is so pivotal and this time is so pivotal and we only have four blocks
to play with. Guys, that's not a lot. That's not a lot. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Holy >> Hi, Mayor. Uh 298 Northeast 87. I just had an idea came up to me. The icon
person mentioned that uh the walls will be hurricane safe. Maybe that's something that will make some people happy that in case of a hurricane anyway there will be no school and there is police that get paid to be there every day. So maybe you know there can be a
place where the resident can go in time of hurricane because all our houses surrounded by trees. So we definitely not safe. So to know that there is a safe place for the for the for the airportal resident to go to and the police will be there to make sure nothing is abused. I think it's another
good idea that they will be happy that we do something. You know that's just a general idea. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate Pascal Deool, 177 Northwest 90th Street. This is not for you guys. This is just to the council. We've been in meetings
before over the past couple years that talk about affordable housing and housing shortages. This project is tearing down homes. It's not adding homes. Forget the traffic. Forget the school. Forget any of the other stuff. If you guys are serious about affordable housing, I can't see how we can allow
parking lots or existing homes to be part of commercial structures. >> Thank you very much. >> Anyone else? Public comment. Hi, I'm Kathy Emery and I've grew up in Elpertell and I've owned property here for many, many years. And my major
concern with this is the residents and homeowners of Elertell did not have proper notice of any of these proceedings. I didn't find out about this until I was in the front yard of my property and somebody came by and asked
if I knew about it. I had no idea whatsoever. I searched for where they where people received notice and about a week later I saw two signs in front of the church on
Northeast 2nd Avenue at ground level that advertised the December hearing. And the only reason I saw that sign is because somebody was there crouched down on the ground trying to read the sign.
And so it's I I served on a planning and zoning board for unincorporated date on the other side of the boulevard for 10 years. I have never seen anything like this. That the neighbors in Albertell do not get noticed.
And even the interim manager, if you recall, you said notice is a courtesy. It's more than a courtesy. I believe I'm not an attorney, but I believe it's the statutory requirement, especially for interested parties.
And the only other comment I have right now, I haven't had time to review the the documents, but I found it the petition or the application on the website and I tried to pull it up and
the print is so fine you can't read it. So, I hit the plus sign and I tried to increase the size so I could read it and it moved over to the right side of the computer and you can only read half of it. So, that's not noticed. And I don't
know if it's just my computer, my computer illiteracy, but it's not available. And I had been to the office probably 10 times asking to see the the application and I was told it wasn't
available that I had to talk to the village manager and we only had an interim village manager and she had another job and so I couldn't get a copy of it until just tonight I was looking
at it and I found many inconsistencies with the Alpertell code of ordinances and I haven't had time to review it at all, but I think many people here haven't either. And the one thing that struck me, and you invited me to come
and talk about this, was the traffic on 87th Street. I've left my phone number and email address numerous ts at the office to either have the mayor, the city manager contact me and I've
been to the police department probably 10 times asking them to monitor the speed on 87th Street between Northeast 2nd Avenue and Miami Avenue. Sometimes the cars are racing down there near 60 miles an hour
and I've talked to the police and they said we have to get permission from the council >> to monitor that and issue tickets. You have to talk to the council. So, I want to know here if we have a commitment
from the council to instruct the police to monitor the speed on 87 street and this project is going to turn traffic west on 87th Street. So, it's going to be 10 times worse. So, can we get a
commitment from this council to instruct the police department to monitor just like they do Northeast 2nd Avenue the speed of traffic on 87th Street? >> Does anybody care? >> Let me let me let me jump in for that.
Let me jump in with that. Um, so I apologize for whoever told you that. That's not true. >> Um, that's not true. Just like I've instructed the police to monitor Northeast 2nd, 91st, um 86, uh they can monitor. We'll put up
a watch order. We just set up a watch order for speed and they can monitor that. So, um I apologize to you, but whoever told you that, but that's not true. And so, I'll just implement a watch order for that street. Is there a particular time of the day where it's
worse or is it just like it just happens? It happens randomly because it's not a real busy street. Sometimes around a little bit after rush hour, >> but sometimes traffic people adhere to the speed limit, but there are a lot of
cars and it's not as frequent as Second Avenue because there's more traffic there. But a lot of them are going 45, 50, 60. Two or three days ago, there was a woman. There's no sidewalks there and the road is real rough at the edges and
there's no traffic calming. There's traffic calming between on this part of 87th Street, but there's no traffic calming there at all. And there was a woman with a baby carriage and she can't ride through the grass >> because there's there's no there's no
sidewalk. >> She was in the street and a guy I swear he was going 65. He went by her and he missed her by this much. >> Okay. And I immediately went to the police department and I forget the police policeman's name and he said, "If
I can use your driveway to monitor, I'll try to do that." But I never saw anybody again. >> Yeah. If you if um if you ever run into anything and you need something taken care of right away, people call me all the time and I jump right on whatever it is. >> I did give her your information, but I
think it was important for her to state her statement. Um, when she did come to address it to me, I told her the same thing. It's not true. That's not the way it works. But I also wanted her to be heard since the council is meeting here. >> Yeah. Well, I've talked the policeman said some of I said maybe you don't want
to give neighbors tickets. If you don't give them a warning once, give them a warning twice, then give them a ticket. >> But I don't think it's neighbors. I think it's people cutting through from Miami Avenue to Second Avenue or Second Avenue to Miami Avenue. So, I have great
concern that you're turning the traffic west on 87th Street from your school. That will increase it greatly. And what they're always trying to do is beat that light. >> You know, they see the light going to turn red, so they'll floor it. And it's
just I hate it, you know. And I've I've probably been by 10 or 12 times and I have never seen a ticket issued, nor have I seen a policeman monitoring that street. So I'm just praying by coming here and voicing it publicly.
>> It will be addressed with the police department. >> It will be addressed. >> So I appreciate it and I hope in the future you give notice of these meetings. I just asked the attorney what um the one I was discussing with you. That's the one that's in our code which is the courtesy notice. Um Mr. Fernandez
has done other projects like the Kavista and he knows the noticing how it goes. >> And I think uh you said there are signs but they're not visible. They're behind trees. >> They also have to be a certain Yes. >> at you know a level where you can't see
it. I saw one for I think January 15th. I don't know what it was about. And it was on the project property >> and it was uh it was not the print is this big. You have to get out of your car. You have to go down and bend down
to look at it. You have a a neon sign here at the village of Alpertell. Two weeks before you have a formal hearing where a decision is going to be made, you should have that neon sign advertising this hearing the whole time.
So the whole village has an opportunity to learn about the meetings. >> Well, I'm glad you're here and I'm glad we had that discussion. >> I appreciate it. >> Anyone else for um good and well I mean public comment >> going once. Anyone else public comment?
>> Going twice. >> Public comment for the last time. >> Okay, we're going to close public comment. All right, you guys. So, we have town halls coming up um for the council. Uh do we have any last questions or comments before I ask for a motion to adjurnn?
>> I have one good and welfare. Go ahead. The other day I was traveling north on Biscane Boulevard. I saw a CPB officer in a parking lot with a car pulled over. Officers out talking to two individuals.
It just seemed odd that a CPB officer was doing a traffic stop. So, I pulled into a KFC parking lot where the traffic stop was and I started filming, >> keeping my distance. >> It went on for a while. They kept looking at the license plate, kept asking about there was like a Walgreens
bag in the car. Kept going through that. Two two guys looked like regular guys. At one point, they started giving each other hugs, so I figured one of them was going away. Proved to be the case. >> All went down very civily. The CPB
officer allowed the person that he was detaining to keep his cell phone, did not put him in handcuffs. After the officer left with one of the individuals, the other was left with the vehicle. So, I went and talked to him. I
said, "What they I said, what the what they make contact with you for? What was this stop about?" So, you know how every freaking person in Miami Day County has multiple registration stickers on their license plate in each of the four corners? That's what a CPB officer pulled over
somebody in Miami Day County for to and then as an excuse to detain them. Guys, I don't know how to tell you this, so I'm just going to tell you it like this. I'm going to explain to you exactly why every white person in this country who voted for Trump is a racist piece of I'm gonna tell you that
right now. How do you wink at a How do you wink at a >> Oh my god. Please stop. All right, I learned that from a 10-year-old son of a police detective in my hometown growing up. His father, a
police detective, his best friend, another police detective. All right. My entire existence growing up. Yeah. Walk away. Walk away. Do it. Walk away. We're coming. Everyone's in the streets. All right.
I never heard either one of these detectives say anything other than the n-word when they were talking about black people. Not once. Not once ever. Now, if you think that's a vile joke that I just told you, I already told you guys at meetings in the past I got 50
more. I learned them all by the time I was 10, guys. Yo, Ice. If you don't wake the up to what is happening right now, you don't deserve
this country. Get the out. Get the out. ICE and CPB. You guys better pay attention to what the is happening. I don't know what's wrong with all you privileged who sit on your ass and don't get out in the streets and protest this
>> Thank you very much, Council. >> It's over. It's over. You better get in the streets. I do understand that you're trying to make a point, but even in trying to make a point, I do think it is a grossly offensive word to
be mentioned in any context. >> It needs to be put in white people's faces that this is what's happening. >> No, no, no, but not but but I'm I'm not a white person and it's being put in my face and I find it offensive. So, I'll personalize it for you that even though I understand that you're trying to make
a a statement, I I actually don't understand it, but it's appears as though you're trying to make a statement. Um, and in addition to that, I share some of those feelings about what is going on in the greater world. >> I do say I do say that as a white man,
you should not be saying the n-word in any context. And I take great offense to it. And I think that you owe us an apology. >> Let me >> I will certain I will certainly apologize. I mean no offense to anyone other than white Christians who voted
for Trump. >> All right, you guys. Um do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> I have a motion to adjourn by uh committee member uh Lightoot W. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> I have a second. Was that council person committee member Urban? >> Was that okay? Second by committee
member Wers Winters. All in favor say I. I. All oppose say nay. Hearing none, the planning and zoning committee meeting for Thursday, January 22nd, 2026 is adjourned at 10:04 p.m. Thank you.