how are we looking shout out to Full Moon the planning and zoning committee meeting for March 20th 2025 is called to order at 7 o'clock p.m. we're going to have a moment side of meditation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance ALG to
stce you very much Madam CL pleas have roll call please roll call chair Nickerson here Vice chair Marton present member bbom present member Winters present member lifefood Ward present also present for the record
um chriso village manager Joseph Geller Village attorney and Jobe Village clerk you have a quum thank you very much may I have a motion to approve the agenda move by council person like foot War M second second second by um coun vice mayor Martin all in favor say I I all
oppos say nay hearing none um motion to approve the minutes move by council person bbom do have a second SEC second by second second by council person Winters
all in favor say I I all close say nay hearing none next is the agenda item um could I have uh the coord group come up here please and could we have the resident uh for 420 Northeast 89th
Street see Mr Mayor point of water yes have we heard any of these in our previous meetings um we've heard two of these in a past planning and zoning meeting that was deferred that would be F three and
four and F6 and S we've heard those before coming back the the F1 F2 and F5 are brand new very good thank you very much you're going to help her out yeah help all right she's going to help her
out with the translation um for 420 Northeast 89th Street uh can you please Scarlet Miss Hamond can you give us kind of like a little background and give us the staff recommendation definitely yes this application is requesting a variance approval for a conversion of a
garage to a living area in an existing Residence at 420 Northeast 89 Street um this site is um for the lot it's 6,800 ft in size and it's a single family home built in 1948 um the proposed residential use is
permitted first of the code and um the proposed garage conversion is to create create additional living space to add a third bedroom the front of the home um will be replaced with garage door um with a new window which will complement the existing home and this home was
reviewed under development standards of the code and found to be consistent and as you know garage conversions are allowed by code through the variance process so this is a variance application um off street parking is provided in their existing driveway and
this is um recommended for approval with the condition that parking in the Swale is not permitted in the future and that all future driveway modifications will comply with the village code for driveway standards mayor um since we're reaching the first item at this time
it's appropriate for me to swear the witnesses for all these items okay anyone um tell raise your right hand anyone that uh is going to be testifying for any of these uh properties stand up and raise your right hand have attorney Gillis where you in
please I and state your name I your name do hereby solemnly swear that the testimony I will give tonight that the testimony that I give tonight will be the truth will be the truth the whole truth the whole truth
and nothing but the truth and nothing but the truth so help me God or you may take an affirmation help me God and tell me thank you Witnesses are SW thank you very much attorney Geller um clerk Jobe just make sure that she understands that
uh the approval comes with the conditions that people can't park on the swell and that any other um driveway um you know changes or modification in the future she has the like come before she understands okay um any questions or
comments from the Committee hearing seeing none um any questions or comments from the audience about this particular property hearing seeing none do I have a motion to approve motion to approve by council person light foot W do I have a second second second by vice mayor
Martin um will you get a chance Madam clerk roll call Council um member lifefood Ward yes member Winters yes member bbom yes Vice Sher Martin yes chair Nickerson yes
motion passes 5 To None thank you very much she's going to explain the rest to you um so we're going to move on to F2 this is 242 Northeast 89th Street garage conversion if I could have the client up please how you doing just go to this microphone for me pleas mayor could I
take a minute just to tell my spiel about the signs absolutely forgot to do that no problem yeah so I want to um make all the you note um to aware that this these are yard signs that um will need to be posted in your sign for the next meeting
which will take place in over a month um we we skip a month and then you'll you'll be invited back to come to the Village council meeting and these need to be posted 10 days before that meeting um I will fill these out um with your information and then you can pick them
up here at Village Hall tomorrow or as convenient between now and the next month but they'll be available tomorrow so please note that that is a requirement thank you yeah you guys are understand this is the committee level so this is a planning and zoning committee so anything that passes today
it's not done you have to pass it the full council meeting and so you will pass the full council meeting um it'll probably be the May full council meeting um so tonight if you pass tonight then you have to just uh come back to Village
Hall sometime starting tomorrow and get one of those signs because for the full council meeting which is the final thing um you guys need to put those signs in your yard for that final hearing okay all right that's all um if we give it the staff report for for for yes this
applicant is requesting a variance approval again for a conversion of a garage into a living area at The Residence at at 242 Northeast 89th Street the site is 11,955 Ft in size and currently contains a single family home built in
1946 um the the proposed residential use will still exist and is um permitted under the code the proposed garage conversion is to create an additional living space to add a fourth bedroom a bathroom and laundry room the front of the home will remain as it is um with
the garage door as existing the home was reviewed under the development standards and the code found that it's consistent and as you know garage conversions are um permitted through a variance process and we noted that off street parking is provided in the existing driveway and
our recommendation is um for approval with the condition that parking in the sale is not permitted and that all future driveway modification shall comply with the village code and driveway standards and that the existing asphalt Pavement in the SW shall be
removed thank you very much I appreciate that do you guys understand the conditions yes do you agree with the conditions yes all right thank you very much any questions or comments from the Committee hearing seeing none any questions or comments from the audience about this particular item hearing seeing none do you have a
motion to approve from a member of the committee so moved moved by vice mayor Martin do I have a second second second by was that council person life for Ward um Madam clerk may I please have a roll call please roll call member Winters yes
member lifewood Ward yes member bbom yes um Vice chair Martin yes chair nerson yes motion passes for thank you very much I appreciate that next is F3 and F4 um we'll do
those do you guys want to do F3 and F4 together or do you guys want to separate them it's uh it's a split lot it's uh 176 uh Northwest uh 88th Street there's parcel a and parcel B you should probably you can hear the staff report
together but then vote separately separately all right so let's have the um the clients for that to come up uh mayor yes counc person life for award um if they're on the same
street parcel a parcel B was always like that it was one property but they're splitting a lot all right yeah all right um if you could just kind of give us the background this was deferred you guys from a previous Planning and Zoning meeting just give us
a little background and the staff recommendation again thank you yes there were um some design comments um at the the last planning and zoning board meeting the applicant has made some adjustments and brought it back again for um your review again for a second time um again just to remind you um the
address is 176 Northwest 88th Street and um each site um is 9,800 square ft in size and um currently contains a single family home um this is one of two
Parcels that again as the mayor said has recently created to by dividing a larger lot into legally conforming lots that has been completed and now they're coming in for their site plan approval and eventually building permit um the proposed residential use is permitted
under the the code and the proposed home is twostory um on parcel I'm talking about two two stories and will be a total of 3242 ft and four bedroom three bath twocc car garage and converted rear Terrace covered rear terce um this is
permitted under the code as a single family home and no variances are requested um with this application this design um is considered to represent a more of a contemporary architecture although it is it is noted that it's
proportional um in scale to the residen is comparable in the neighborhood and um planning recommends approval for parcel a um I'll just briefly go over the details of parcel B which is also a two-story home and is a total of 3,150
square ft we'll have four bedrooms and three bathrooms a two-car garage and a covered rear Terrace again this this home is also not requesting any variances and completely compliant with code and um again the house is a little bit more of a contemporary design but
but seen to fit in with um the um compatibility of the neighborhood and again this was is recommended for approval also as a two-story home thank you very much Miss ham I appreciate it any questions to comments from the council from the
Committee hearing seeing none um questions or comments from the audience just come up you guys come up to uh come up to this uh microphone right here for us all right go ahead whenever you get started my brother we have a three minute clock but I usually let you guys speak through it but I'm going run it
anyway all right okay my name is uh Blair Walker this is my wife Felicia we live onund we're we're at 88th Street Northwest 88 Street say say your address for us please say your address for us please your your full address for us your address your address for full
address okay yeah 180 Northwest 88th Street and we live beside uh the two Parcels in question that uh at 176 Northwest 88th Street we want we're very concerned about this
because uh this was previously a parcel of land that only had one home on it and that one home was roughly 2,000 square ft and now we have two proposed homes that are each going to be roughly 3,000 more than 3,000 square F feet um as as
you just heard that's within uh that's okay and in terms of the the ordinance for for lortel but my concern is that my wife and I have been living adjacent to this land for for a decade now and uh mayor
Dickerson was very conscientious about coming and speaking to Residents about this uh he made an a point after hours one day to come and and talk to us and I'm very concerned that when we have rain and they're going
to be laying concrete slabs um I don't want there to be runoff that will come onto my problem property and to the property of other people other neighbors in this in this area uh and I want if it's at all
possible I want the developers to show that they have taken appropriate flood mitigation uh to make sure that this does not adversely affect the people living near
this this uh proposed development start and that's pretty much the the gist of my uh my concern about this this development on 180th on 88th Street thank you we're going to get out of comments first and then we'll have the council and everybody respond you
guys have any say your name for the record Village oh you gonna speak okay I'm a village uh resident say your address for6 Norwest 89 Street I want to express to Mr Blair that newer
developments per code how to comply with the storm retainers requirements as opposed to probably 95 89% of the existing housing stocks that do not have any storm housing requirements in addition to that before that this was
two one parcel with one house basically oversized lot and no not using a full enjoying the full use of the land now the village is going to have two houses paying taxes and a house like this brand new is
going to pay considerably more taxes and benefit all in the in the community and reducing or taxes in the future so it's a collaborative effort so I I'm pretty sure be sure that and and this is not because the developer one
and and basically and Tomy I'm the developer as well I pay attention to a strong rotation retention within the property because every time it rains more and more it's harder so it's a code requirement that newer houses newer
development must retain water within their property thank you so come yeah come back come back um let me say uh if there is a white car blocking in our clerk our clerk needs to go somewhere real quick it's over here where you see
the two parking spots there's a manager spot yeah no no no it's not not not you no no there's a there's a manager oh really oh okay okay
okay all right go Mr Blair okay go ahead I would like to thank that gentleman for uh talking about this uh this development that's right beside my property uh he made it a point to uh point out that
they'll be paying a considerable amount of taxes and my concern is not with taxes it's with the environmental impact of this and what how it's going to impact my property and the property of other neighbors and also I I know that
um elport has a code of ordinances uh chapter 7.5 deals with flood damage PR vention and I would like to again uh hear from you or one of the other developers how you have adhere to
this this uh ordinance and have how you have ensured that this will not flood our property once it's finished I I can fill that question uh Federico um Blair Thank you for your question um as Federico pointed out uh we're
required by a code to provide a drainage plan with calculations demonstrating that all water will be retained on site so is in it's not possible once you provide this in the in the site for it to go over into your property um
additionally your the house that we that we demoed that was centered on the on the property if you recall adjacent to your property was the driveway it's all con it was all concrete previously we've removed that okay so the problem that
you were experiencing before has been mitigated already indirectly never problem okay okay so um I just wanted to mention mention that um so we would be designing as part of um uh showing the calculations we were
required to actually show where the swales exist on The sidey Yards as well as the front Okay so the it's it's something that we are definitely taking in consideration okay mayor mayor yeah if I might the manager
and I have consulted with the planning consultant and with the code enforcement officer so um I'm going to mostly defer to our planning consultant but let me say we have an ordinance that has some flexibility as to how the water is to be
retained but as the planning consultant will tell you there is a code provision that says one that says it has to be retained there's a Code provision about open space there's a Code provision about permeability so we have several
different code Provisions if water were not being retained it would constitute a violation of our code and let me defer at this point to our planning consultant we've discussed this also with the code enforcement officer so we want to be
clear on what our current code does provide and the mechanism of course if the code is violated is that is a it's a code violation it can be cited but if if I might mayor I'd like to defer to miss Hammond to talk about in a little more
detail m ham we want the homeowners the residents to get their answer clearly my name is Joan poock and my address is 189 nor 88 Street um I just want to know if will our taxes go up
since these two new homes will be coming into the neighborhood with the property of our own Tex go up property values um could rise I me property values they rise and lower depending on the neighborhood um eler TOS had property value Rises for
the past three years um it's just a place that you know is sought out for people to to come to stay um so as far as taxes going up property value assessment uh may go up because of the you know the properties that we have in
El PTI but that's not us raising your taxes and then and then mayor if I could go ahead so just an extra piece of information regarding the property taxes so if your home if your property is homesteaded yes
um so uh so the property taxes cannot go up on an individual property more than 5% okay uh year-over-year so was it three correct me 3% forgive me okay sorry sorry I'm not trying to do
any favors for tallah so all right all right thank you even better even better 3% forgive me okay um uh 3% so um so there is at least a guard rail that was put in sometime ago to prevent uh exactly what you're talking about from
you know basically snowballing out of control right right and so so at least from a property as long as it's a Homestead Property you know you're living in the home um then uh you are at least buffered from the activity around you to the and so because as the mayor
is saying the property values have gone up year over year typically the way it works out is you do actually see your property tax bill go up 3% every year but atomical right but I mean but for someone who you know lives in their property for 20 years I mean that that
uh adds up especially if by the time the person is a little bit older they're on fixed income and things like this so so it's not it's not something to disregard but at least there are some I just want to make sure because I've been in the the AL pel for 40 years yeah yeah so
yeah so so you the yeah accumulative 3% year-over-year feels uh yeah absolutely now you're you're right about that okay yeah you answer my question I appreciate you listening thank you very much Miss Hammond I think you wanted to say something real quick then just um
briefly um I I wasn't prepared with the code section exactly but I can just tell you um a couple things about um what we look for um in our review and planning and then there's an additional review at a building permit level um again as um
was noted um there's grading and drainage plans that are required and those need to meet all the standards to keep the the um and they have calculations like technical calculations prepared by an engineer to um to show that the water is going to stay on site
um in addition we have enacted um just recently um the the provision for maximum lot coverage is 40% so that provides a lot more permeable area on Pro on properties and that again is another mechanism for um eliminating
runoff into the streets or into neighbor's yards so there's there's a few and check and checks and balances that that we go through to make sure that that we we're looking at these things very closely yes and regarding the 40% um what features would be
excluded from that like would a driveway be excluded from that calcul would a patio be excluded a pool be excluded from that calculation excl pools are excluded I can't remember if we if we did or not pool pools are excluded uh driveways
sidewalks P pavers driveways are included pool decks are included all that's part of our yeah and we fall um wall shorter the 40% on both properties we're at 34% on parcel B and 37 % on
parcel a including driveways sidewalks pool decks the footprint of the house all of it okay thank you for refreshing my memory thank you very much if you guys want to come back in and say something okay mayor Nicholson and the
Planning and Zoning Council thank you for your forbearance I'm not going to blavor this but I do want to know where I can access these studies that have been done because two years from now when this project is finished and there's a heavy rainstorm I don't want
to come out into my driveway and there's three inches of water in my driveway and the developers are going off to another project so I don't know what the mechanism is for that but if they could show me something and the other neighbors I'd really appreciate that if I may respond mayor first of all you
welcome at any point to check with the code enforcement officer to get the det of what the code provides they as I said they or and Miss H said they have some flexibility how to get there but they must get there and uh that would also
give you if the situation occurred that would also give you the mechanism to complain if there was a problem um the idea of course is to keep there from being one as far as the developer being
gone are codes impos burdens on property owners so whether the developer is or isn't gone and the property is owned by somebody and they're responsible for compliance with the code now understand
also when this approval if it's granted at the full Village Council that uh grants site plan approval they still have to go and apply for a permit a construction permit which
has to get through the building department and the building department doesn't just say you know stamp and go okay they'll say well how are you demonstrating your compliance with the code requirements about retention of
water drainage Etc and you have to prove that or they won't approve your permit so they'll still be looking looking at it they'll only approve it if it's theoretically if it's demonstrated but
even if there's a problem whether or not they're approved through the permit if there is a problem that occurs down the road the owner is responsible for curing the problem to come into compliance with our code okay
thank you for that clarification uh attorney Geller we both know that concrete slabs are impermeable when it comes to rainwater and I would like to know if there's some way that they could use crawl spaces but I can have that offline I don't want to take up everybody's time
with this yeah have but check with check with code enforcement who will tell you how they will review it and maybe building weigh in at some point M man may I please c not a code enforcement matter please don't put that on code enfor the building department the
Florida building code would address that in a better place code enforcement is just there to enforce the code that was adopted by The Village building department has the state um authority to ensure that that that those matters are addressed so you're right impermeable
Paving and all of those things need to be addressed with your situation let's work with you on that with our building department in fact I know we met with our um building official about this matter and we'll um perhaps try to set up something for you to discuss it with him as well thank
you say your name address for the record hi my name is Kirby alador I live in 197 Northwest 88 Street Miami Florida I've been in this part of this community for 30 over 30 years and I live down actually on the street with this development so there are a couple concerns that I see in this community
and I want to make sure that we address it the first thing is the assessment of the property value right when I look back at our community we have Community that's been here about two three generations that have lived here and passed it on and we have an older generation So when you say the property value that Miss poock has mentioned earlier and it's partially going to go
up when you have people who are at the retirement age as they've mentioned that goes up 3% that's going to hurt this community we've seen it happen throughout other parts of the State of Florida when we look at Tampa when we look at Pensacola so that should be a concern right now for this community the other part that we aren't discussing is the enforcement I've lived in this
community about again over 30 years 35 years this is the weakest Point I've ever seen in enforcement in this community I've seen it prior to Andrew I've seen it now we get we hear of course code enforcement is spotty at the best you can look around the
neighborhoods and you can see where the code is selectively enforced so when I hear code enforcement I question that I can call here before you could call this department and you would get a call back there are no call backs you call nobody's picking up the phone so when
you tell us there are other means especially as code enforcement I don't feel secure about that yeah I'll respond to that all right I appreciate you um okay so there's a couple of things uh with code enforcement um I just we're just going
have to disagree on that because when we got officer Simmons in for the first time ever we um established the uh special magistrate so now so for for decades I've been on the council for 15 years I was vice mayor for eight years been made for like almost 5 years so for
decades um our code enforcement used to be a police officer who would do code enforcement his name was David atlet right look at kixo kixo been here for a long time you Shing his head up and down it was was it was police officer who would do police who would do police work
and then when he wasn't doing police work he kind of look around and see what's up with the code with the houses um that was just something that wasn't working out the reason why there's so many things that are out of code was because it was run like that for so many years to where these codes aren't new
we're just doing over our code now we're upgrading our code now so all these codes have been on the books for decades the reason why all the homes you see that are out of code is because for decades we didn't have a real code enforcement officer that's why when you look around
there's so much out of code now what ended up happening was was that we finally got a real code enforcement officer we finally now do a special magistrate every month Madam manager every month we have that if you don't know what that is now back then if you were out of cold we
put a lean on your property and you just be out of cold oh boy I thought it was a fire alarm for a second oh that's the thing oh and you just time time and you just be out of cold
forever and we just have a lean and people would be like I don't care about this lean I ain't never moving so it's never going to hurt me so we have leans mad manager especially when I was a council person when I started 15 years ago we have leans to be like how long this house been like this lean been on
this house this lean been on this house for like 15 18 20 years and the owner's like I'm never moving so I don't care about the lean so nobody was just doing anything we implemented a special magistrate Madam manager so when we came in there's a lot of stuff you guys that we moved to Professional Services so
like for example when I first became mayor we used to have we used to hire people through eler to to work the front desk amen yeah people Elber to our budget is small we can't pay what the big boys pay people would be with us
three months four months two months oh found a better job City of Miami oh found a better job Aventura oh so then Madam manager would have to go through new resumés new hiring process that take a month and a half so then you have
resident start calling and being like man I turned my permits in like months ago I haven't heard anything back yet yeah because now we have to go through and hire so what one of the things we did so now we outsourced the entire front desk most of the individuals that you see in Elber tole now they're
outsourced to professional companies so we it's not it's not on us anymore to have to if somebody leaves to have to replace that person they replace the next day all right so we we professionalize everything in Alberti getting back to your question so we
finally hired a real quote enforcement officer we put in a special magistrate so now every month we don't care about the leans anymore you don't pay your code citation you go to a real civil court of miid day
County every month we implemented that now when you look around and you see some houses that are out of code some hous that are in code so it seems like the code is selective right this is what happened when I became mayor and we had a real we hired a real cold enforcement
officer he wanted to go around and say mayor all this stuff is out of cold I'm I'm going to make these people rip up that driveway I'm going to make these people change their roof I'm going to make these people I said listen our residents can't afford
that so let's do this everything that's out of cold we're going to let them stay like that the moment they go to redo something they have to fall into cold so
for example there's a house right over here on on Northeast 3rd Avenue and like 88 89 street I'm going get EX house like 89th Street she had she's been living there for a very long time I think it was 32
years or something you're right her fence was not in cold but she had a beautiful big backyard she wanted to get a new fence Madam manager she wanted to get a new fence when she went and got the new
fence we were like you got to fall into cold she called me upset she lost about 7t of her backyard cuz her fence was out too far so you look around you're going to see a lot of stuff out of code because I'm not forcing our residents especially when I
became mayor about F coming out of covid I was like we're not going to for I'm not going to force my residents to have to pay to fall into cold because there's so many things that have out of cold because we've been doing wrong for so many decades that all my residents are going to have to come out of their pocket to do so many things
but we don't allow shingles in eler tow there's still some houses with shingles but the moment they go to redo their roof they got to either get a tile or metal roof so you're going to see a lot of stuff out of cold but it's not that we're picking on certain people what it
is is that once I became mayor anything you started to do any work you started to do after that we get you before I was mayor if your thing was like that we're not messing with you right now if you do any work you have to fall into code all right so that's kind of way what you
might be seeing when it comes to that yeah thank you mayor for that but I will challenge you on that and I will tell you that on the Professional Services I've come up here on several occasions just to get basic stuff done and the quality of service is piss poor right it's it's not satisfactory so even one
instance I had to call we had an instance with people on our trees we called the front desk nothing came up to the front desk oh we don't think we should enforce that well what about people's safety around the neighborhood all right so this is what you going to do this what you're going to do I'm just I have several examples like that that's
why I say the Professional Services I've grown up in this neighborhood my parents have lived here I've seen my neighbors there's a quality so when you tell us that there's going to be an issue that we can come here and it would be addressed I don't feel secure and I'll say this it's not on you it's on previous administrations but what I've
seen recently has just been piss poor yeah even when we call like there is nobody to pick up you literally have to come up here knock on the door hopefully somebody's not at lunch and they will answer your question so this what this is what you're going EXC me pardon me
sir um we have free we have Free Speech but um decorum language a little bit apologize you're you're good you're good this is this is what you're going to do that's what you're gonna do because every pretty much people out there Mr Blair knows they know if you have an issue and you feel like like let's say
you call the front Des you're not getting anybody call me all right I'm going give you my card call me okay just call me everybody does it right right call me when they have issues they call me and then we'll get right to it all right so that way you don't have to worry about even when even when
sometimes when um the the door be closed for lunch I'll call manager L I'll be like man manager resident standing outside right now and we got to let them in and so just call me and you'll get right to it I'm G give you my card right now all right so I don't I don't know like I hear from other individuals from
other residents that things are much better um but so I don't you know I'm not saying that you're wrong that's saying that you're not telling the truth because that's your reality and what you had to experience you know so I'm not going to downplay that um but just call me I'm I'm always available and if you call me or text me I respond right away
email give me like a day or something like that but call me or text me I respond right away okay okay so I'm going give you my card right now thank you really really quick question you said recently you had the problems how how recent are we talking about uh at
least a year in the last year yeah okay thank you all right thank you very much all right next name and address for the record thank you Mr Mayor uh I'm George Alvarez I live at 165 Northwest 88th
Street nice to see you guys again hey that's my fear my fear is I'm going to fall in love with you guys honestly that's my my concern um so I'm I'm a little unsatisfied by some of the things that I've heard
and um I did not fully understand the answers about the um about the water about flood mitigation about the water sheeting and to that effect I'm going to bring up this address which I brought up
in the past the address is 85 Northwest 86 Street on that street is a river of a puddle that traverses three houses going east to west it never goes away it has not rained it's been a very very
dry winter here this usually a dry winter here but this has been exceptionally dry um that house was renovated pool was added septic was changed I think I'm not positive about that and they added some
square footage it was it was a significant renovation who vetted that if we are being told that there's not going to be any water on Mr uh Walker's property or
um there's some people who did not make it tonight um in fact I've got a whole list of people who have got you know issues and questions and could not make it because some of them are out of town some of them work service jobs and some of them I think are kind of like afraid
to talk in public public circumstances but I would have to put this to both you guys and to the Council who vets it because the proof is in the pudding the proof is in the algae infested water in front of that house so I did not understand the
answer that attorney Geller or or you guys gave and where is the proof of course yeah we can if there's water all over the street we can sue the person whose house it's coming from but I I
have a letter here from the lady who lives next door to that house on 8 her name is um uh Marie LA Meri s Rami not bad regarding standing water drainage
problems from 85 Northwest 86 uh I live or she's next door the property was rebuilt Ren or prior to its sale in 2023 uh it was rebuilt and renovated in the renovation dirt and
soil was added to her property the property was built up to its from its original level to 3 or 4 ft so now it's a little Hill with the house is on top but the house is not really that much higher than anything else in the neighborhood backyard was built up
similarly to accommodate a pool patio she spent $700 of her own money to deal with it oh the buzzer I love the buzzer thank you sir thank you Mr Mayor she spent $700 of her own money the problem always keeps coming
back so that was a property that probably underwent the same exact code process it was less than two years ago and that's the result so I'm going to end the talk about the
water I think we heard enough from Mr Walker it is a concern of mine you know there's been zika there's been malaria and we don't have guarantees I don't know if you guys are obliged to give us guarantees but I still don't feel good
about the lack of guarantees that we've gotten here but I also want to talk about something a little bit bigger I kind of feel like there's a breakdown in the thinking and the processes that's going on with how we look at
development things get confusing there's Municipal Code things get convoluted there's enforcement but this the problem still ends up being the problem if nine out of 10 residents have problems or concerns about a
project i' I'd like to know that I'm being listened to and you are you are being we're listening thank you Miss so if nine out of town 9 out of 10 residents and as far as I can tell between 87th Street which is behind the
property in question properties in question and 88th Street on which the properties are going to be located what I hear from everybody is somewhere between mild disapproval
and torches and pitchforks I am a fan of most modern architecture but I'm also a fan of making things work in the neighborhood for the residents the conversation about taxes I
believe is a fallacy because although people with homestead exemptions do have values tied in and limited by 3% the equation that's
used for a new house that sells at you guys are like 3100 Square F feet 3,100 sare ft something like that condition condition 61 2600 and 2700 condition space so this is going to be a house
that's going to sell between two and $2.5 million I no my my lips to God's ears and and all that not sure okay well I mean there's there's there's there's no guarantees in a lot of situations but what happens is those of
us who own those 80-year-old houses who may not be able to afford a major renovation in that time are basically paying higher taxes because even though our property
has not been improved the average values of the neighborhood will be improved I know for a fact that what Miami day county says my house is worth not its market value what it's assessed the lower of the numbers I could never sell
it for that amount nowhere near now there's some developers in the audience I used to work for them who are like I'll buy your house for you and that's great that's good business but the thing about taxes that we are hearing is is not completely true
and everybody should know that so we should be very careful about how we bring new properties and new values to our neighborhood there seems to me to be a compromise
approach the compromise approach uh it's not my job to figure it out for you guys I I can I can think of a lot of cool modern houses that are a little bit more um organic looking to be you know vague I know you're a man of science you
probably don't like the word organic in that way it doesn't give you much to work with but I think you know what I mean there's some softer modern looks out there I mean some of it is Landscaping but if if if if if I may and I'm going to try to speak up I'm just going to approach
these I mean right now the lot doesn't have any of these trees or any of this or any of this Landscaping this is beautiful but it doesn't exist and you guys with all due respect are going to tear down every big
tree there's only two a mango tree and a sapadilla tree you may call the sapadilla are you going to leave the sapadilla now yes great okay and the oak tree that's on that's this
tree many are existing there are nine we we're only getting rid of two you're only getting you're you're you're only getting getting rid of two one is a pal add everything else okay giving it back to the neighborhood so okay the mango tree that one will go but we're
replacing it with three trees on that property how big are those trees when they're planted the landscape architect will according to code be able to tell us what size they should be one planted when do you anticipate the lot
would start to look a little bit more like Tree City El pel that's a good question uh we will do our best to have them as mature trees as we can um at the beginning okay um but
make no mistake the the Landscaping is Central to the whole concept of the project it has been from the beginning on your it's important to us as well on your on on on your on your planning I don't see that many trees maybe things have changed since
the plan number I I saw the the we can we can list the number of trees that we're adding I saw the mahogany and I saw a oh stop sorry you've been over nine minutes M give you an example okay you want an
example I've been 49 years Mr Mayor I understand I understand but you understand that good and Welfare is is really not for like testifying for well this isn't good this is isn't good in welfare it is it I would like to see some compromises being made we we spoke
to you they're pretty basic compromises and none of them were in in the new plans compared to the old ones although I'm I'm open-minded to what I'm hearing about the Landscaping but but let me say this let me just say this um these are kind of conversations and you know when
when I came and met with you guys and before I met with you guys after I said even before I went there I said well maybe I should bring them with me you said no like I said for an for an for an meeting it's her initial meeting so so these are the questions and this this is
the reason why I stated that you know they should have been part of those meetings because this is all the stuff that has to come out then this is not the stuff because you're ask what's happening is you're asking them them things in real time and even though like like they're showing the renderings of
what their plan is for planting new trees and keeping trees you're you're just at a point where you don't believe them like no matter what they say you don't believe like you're looking at it and you're saying like you don't believe it because the original plans didn't show that or the plans you saw didn't
show that but we're looking right now at the renderings and what they're planning on planting and how they're planning on making it look but you're still saying you don't believe them and that's something that should have been done like an internal meeting you know that should have been done an internal meeting before we even got here is just
my point that's a that's all that's all okay let's look at the bigger point you know I didn't let you guys answer I'm sorry if you would like we'd be happy to share with you the new rever the new version of the landscape uh plan which
is very similar to the latest one that you've seen and I just like to add that in every uh code requirement we exceed the number of shrubs plants all Native and trees rest assured we'll do our part and more to continue with the landscape
Legacy of el portel we we have a list here if you'd like us to read it how how how about the shade trees cuz I I saw all the gamma grass and I saw the the the hedges shade get the mic sorry I also think this is becoming a bit adversarial I
mean I think this the good and Welfare and I completely respect your opportunity to State your feelings but it is centralized to like what you feel so I don't know if it's so much of an opportunity for you to um kind of directly question uh the applicant but
just to generally State your Viewpoint so if you can do that within the 3 minutes I'm sure they can then take note of some of the items and they can compose themselves and respond in a meaningful way so why don't you tell us what you think we already know you're concerned about the flooding we know
that you're concerned about the Aesthetics we know that you want to know whether or not this fits within uh the character of The Village those types of things I'm very interested in and I would love for you to continue along those lines but to probably um pause a
little with the direct questioning I think that would speed us up okay well that that that that did not come intentionally and I appreciate you're saying that and I hope you guys didn't wor no worries there's a lot of passion in the room but let let's just make sure it just stays cordial and I think if you just tell us how you feel that's great
and then you guys can have a moment to respond [Music] I think I think that builds like this can be easily um can be easily neighborhood changing my concern
about this property is that in addition to practical concerns as about the water and the mitig and the flood mitigation my concern that it doesn't look like anything else in the neighborhood there's no house in El prel other than
one on 89th Street that has a two-car garage front facing okay let's let him let's let him continue just take some notes really quickly once he's done with his three minutes then we'll bounce back to you and then you can let us know so every everybody's everybody's Garage in this
neighborhood is to the side or in the back of their house so this is going to be a substantial change and the thing is a neighborhood that goes from El pel to an entirely different Community whether
you say Kendall whether you say halia whether you say North Miami it's not done overnight it's done house by house or in this case two house by two house it's done decision by
decision and we are at a time in which we have the opportunity to make decisions that would make houses like this a little bit more like the houses that exist in size in scope in in design that would do things
like maybe not put a garage right out front and center because that does change things and would maybe use landscaping and trees to both do water mitigation but keep El prel feeling like El Patel so I'm getting the I'm getting the
silent buzzer from mayor Nickerson and I appreciate it because he is the hardest working man in Show Business thank you so much for your comment we appreciate that was great than thanks for your time guys thank you very much Mr Alvarez thank you very much uh Madame vice mayor I appreciate that
um Mr Alvarez uh I was going I contacted uh uh Mr Walker about the the hill um which you were talking about with the house that's on 86 Street um and so the reason why that house is like that is because it depends on where the house is
located first so and I I they know this already because I emailed it but when you're talking about that house on 86 Street if you guys know um and Madam manager we're getting back to the hurricane season and we have a lot of stuff that we've been planning but um if
you guys know 86th Street when it rains it floods on 86 Street and it floods it starts to flood really really bad on 86th Street especially when you go west of North Miami Avenue um even even between North Miami Avenue and Northeast Second Avenue to L hardine it floods really bad and so the reason why uh Mr
Alvarez that house not saying that it was done correctly or it was done right but the reason why that house has that in the front is because it's in a it's in a area where there's like it floods out so they raise it and they put the twin pool in the back so they put the
step tank in the front these individuals here the house that's going to be uh next to Mr Walker is the step tank standing in the back on that house so it's not moving from where it is um but the reason why the new and and those who have been doing houses over know that a
few years ago the regulations changed on septic tanks you now have to have much larger septic tank the regulations changed so what's happened now is if you're in an area where I believe it's like a two foot something table water
table something like that or whatever where it floods um you now have to raise your septic tank and that's where that came from from that house on 86 Street because 86 Street floods out a lot on 88th Street you guys don't have that type of flooding at all because every
time after a storm I drive down we I drive in the police cars on the Public Works truck and we analyze the area and 88 Street doesn't have that Flooding at all so there's there's not going to have to be any raising for any of these houses on that are going across the street from you now it doesn't take away
from what you're saying Mr Walker which is just overall you know because there's two properties coming that are not there now and that's much more concrete than was there previously I need to know how the runoff is going to occur and how
it's going to take place and so we we definitely need to get the answer for you from the building department um and and I I know what you were asking I think it was kind of lost over there but you were asking with what individuals are saying that now there's a new regulation to where before everything's
done they have to show that the flooding is not going to occur you were asking where can I get that information that's what you were asking it wasn't about the code I I I saw that that was lost and so that I'm going to se I'll get that for you okay because that that's what I need I want to know also you know with those
new regulations but um just just you know and yeah I'll get it for all you guys but just for uh you know just a long story long Mr Alvarez that's why that house is raised on 86 Street and it won't have to be raised um for you guys on 88th Street the property in the front with the septic tanks uh vice mayor Mar
this is why they call you the hardest working mayor in the county because that is one of the questions that I had for Scarlett whether or not that uh address had been shared with you and if you could give us some information about why that was occurring and whether or not it was a permeability issue that was causing it so I do think it's important
when we're comparing things that we're comparing Apples to Apples so this helps us contextualize the information that we're receiving it's not just hey there's going to be renovation which means there is going to be a water issue there are a lot of things that are happening in that middle part and also I
do want to assure you that the professionals that we do have looking at these things are are really knowledgeable I I am not an expert on how water moves I do not know um but I know that they know and when they talk to us they give us a lot of good information about these projects that
they're looking at and they're not only looking at whether or not it fits right now they're looking at these these issues that we are trying to address globally uh which is making sure that we do not have a flooding issue and whatever flooding issues that we do have present that we are taking actionable
steps to remedy that um so I appreciate you giving me that color on that item because that helps me put things in the right place that was a big question mark for me so I appreciate that Madam Vice man I appreciate you always um is there anyone else from the C from the audience for about this particular property these
two houses you guys say your name and address for the record uh Scott cobri 8525 Northeast 4th Avenue Road um so I just have a I guess a question first of all um is this uh
the approval of is would this be the the the approval of these plans or this would be at the committee level approval have to go to council after this the committee it I just want to note again I've actually had this issue many times that I've addressed um I'm seeing this
for the first time tonight I was actually just like let know by a a neighbor uh shortly before this meeting um that this was even happening tonight um I'm on the email list I've addressed
it several times um and emails did not and I'm not the only person several people that I've spoken to had no awareness that this was taking place tonight so unfortunately like nobody had a chance to review it um or a lot of
people at least didn't um having said that I guess just from my understanding about uh this process like so of course cardino group um has evaluated this but this it appears that there's some residents that are seriously concerned
about flooding issues um if this gets approved um you know I know that another Resident had came up and said well you know Co code enforcement going back you know after the fact is is a hard way to
follow up with these things um and so I guess just the question is you know is especially that you know there are issues with notice that have been you know very prevalent um and existing for a while um and considering that a lot of
people haven't you know don't know about this um have not got gotten a chance to look at it um is there some sort of uh thought process that maybe um these things should be evaluated prior to
approving it even though even if it is at the planning and Zone obviously that sets it into motion um and there's just a general thing no I have not even looked at this project so I have no idea what you know whether I think it's the best thing in the world or not um but
just as far as process goes and making sure that we are um you know being there for the residents who are expressing serious concerns about something like flooding um that that process has been done and the I guess the answers that I
heard from the people who are here here like hor Dino group to speak about it did not sound um I guess comforting that all of those questions were like answered like oh yeah there definitely won't be flooding here from this build
um and I think that there are some some great ways these days that we could avoid it and of course raising a house um is one of them not being you know just directly on a slab um my Nextdoor neighbors just bought a new house that
they thought was new they paid $1.6 million for it and they had this year two floods that they had to spend another million dollars on fixing it and I really feel horrible for them so the person they bought their house from said
that this is new this is new construction we did everything it was evaluated by our our Co you know by uh the building department and everything seemed sound but they have suffered tremendously this year so I just want to
state that thank you very much good luck with your Venture thank you Scott all right well I don't know about we'll have to get with you about the uh about the uh you not getting the the
meeting notifications um because for everyone else I mean this place is full people people get it all the time and this the second time this is coming the first time was back when we had it um I think
it was January I think it was planning and zoning meeting and it was theer so this is the second time we're hearing it at the committee level so I don't know this look look around look look look around if you if you were one of four people it would be
different all right but so I don't I don't know what's going on with that but people people are getting those notifications so people are getting them yeah all right well well if you guys sign up I'll check
we'll check maybe I don't know what's going on with the email blast but I don't know we'll check it out um the uh the the notice uh for this meeting uh I think it came Friday and
uh a lot of my neighbors you know they don't look at their email immediately but a lot of them discovered because it was in their minds from Friday till Thursday a little bit late they're not here tonight but
like I said there's uh I I think I've got I think there's like 12 or 14 people on my street not counting probably seven or eight on the the the street behind who wanted to be here tonight now how much
they tell me versus how much the reality is but these are people some of whom were on the list some of whom are not and I think this speaks to a larger issue that if if residents are unhappy about something we got to change the system whether it's
Communications code approval long- winded guys thank you thank you anybody else from the audience hearing seeing none uh any last question
to comment any question comments from the council yes couple go ahead go ahead sounds like can you hear me it's on it's
on it sounds like we we're not in a place to say yes we're not in a place to even rule on it sounds like we we got some real things sounds like we got some things
that need to be done because I would hate to be on 176 Northwest 88th Street anywhere and this thing turns out to be a mess doesn't sound like people are here because they don't have anything else to do it's like there's not enough information that's
even making me satisfied that if you build this these these if you build parcel a paral be whatever and it turns out to be what we feared as opposed to what we know it
sounds like something's missing to me I can't see it the way it is right now I can't see it I don't understand I know I wouldn't want it on my street I'm just being honest I wouldn't want it on my
street the the design is is is futuristic it's going to change the entire way that whole that whole neighborhood is it's futuristic but I'm not concerned about that I'm concerned about the real deal
of flooding the real deal of continuance of needing of for need for something to happen so it will stop and the consideration that the neighbors have been not been convinced against their
nightmares is it that's his mirror thank you very much council person life for award uh anybody else from the council yes just um okay so um welcome back uh uh as you can tell our residents are quite passionate about the village uh
not to take anything personally um so so two issues that I have one is the overall size which I think I'll get over and the reason for that is it's to 43 is
that right we're and right now we are talking about parcel a is that correct okay so they're both 43s is that right okay all right so councilman for purposes of the presentation the staff report and the discussion can be about
both but we will vote separately very good all right so I do want to actually address both as being one of my concerns I'm sure you remember from the last meeting so um so I'm not someone who is opposed
to modern architecture um I am concerned about Mass like I'm I'm concerned about uh monolithic Mass on our Lots uh I'm concerned about uh uh
exceeding like an excessively large property that extends the entire length of the lot back into the lot with its full height um it will create issues of privacy between residents in the future things like this just things to consider
um so as I look at both of these properties I feel like I am willing to take one but not both as I believe I was pretty clear in in the last meeting so the reason for that being that to one of the residents points that you know you don't really
see I mean to your credit it's a unique design that we don't see this exactly anywhere in the village so there are examples modern architecture I don't find them to look like this exactly uh there are um there are some that might resemble some of the style but the
styling is certainly uh I find it unique and and uh uh different um so my concern as I stated last time is that with both of these properties immediately adjacent to each other it that is the disruption
of the feel of elportal for me personally so I would I would said it clearly last time and I'm still I'm still at that position I would like to see two like genuinely distinct properties because as I said last time
these feel like a like sister properties I mean um uh uh I and I understand wanting to leave a signature as an architect um because they to they definitely you look at them and you would know that it was almost certainly the same architect that would have
design these two um which stands to reason um however with them being just I mean adjacent to each other it is as I said last time it feels distracting so I would be prepared to vote for one of these designs but not both um I am uh I
share the concerns of the residents regarding the grading regarding uh flood mitigation um I understand that we are a little bit restricted in what we could even prohibit as a counsel uh without risking
litigation I'm sure uh but uh but uh you know the bay is right there we have a buffer with the FEC Railway so it's got a climb Shore Crest in terms of um uh uh
uh title Surge from storms right so we are an incredibly protected area to be perfectly honest here in El portel a lot of things have to happen for something like the bay to inundate you know the village however we have the canal right here um in addition to that
because of the increased development because of our loss of uh permeable surfaces in the village incrementally everyone's staying within code cordino is doing a good job of keeping uh developers honest as far as that goes um
but incrementally we are still losing uh you know permeable surfaces throughout the Village um and so accumulatively these things uh create in my mind long-term uh flood mitigation risks uh uh so here we are in
2025 uh our 2060 estimates for sea level rise which brings the water table with it right um all of these things are being adjusted um on a you know quarterly basis almost at this point um as people are getting access to new data
Etc right so I would like to see no concrete pads in elport to is really what I'm trying to drive at here I would like to see crawl spaces for these homes I feel very lucky that I have a home that's it doesn't have any clock closets but it does have uh it does have a crawl
space so so my home is not large it's 1950 construction 1400 square feet barely not even and uh uh and so but my home is the existing structure is 2100 secured as far as flood mitigation goes
particularly because it has a crawl space it's already on on a lot that is elevated comparatively to the region surrounding it most of elport that way are residents closest to the now are the most at risk because they're in the lowest line elevation and you have some pockets in the north west where you also
have just GE geographically you have uh a little bit of indentation in the land what have you so you get um uh flooding over there primarily why we started our flood uh our storm water mitigation phase one uh on uh towards that area so
uh the point being that I share these concerns you can hear everyone's concerns so um so so those concerns will remain until there will be proof after construction that that you know they were true so it's just everyone's going to have to take Faith I believe on this
on this issue um and that's a little bit difficult um and so I go back to for my own personal uh uh belief here I am willing to take one of these designs I do not see a scenario where I'm willing to take both at this time so I'll just
say that as a reiter of my comments from last meeting thank you very much anybody else from the um committee yes I I have one I it's just correcting something you guys were going to either respond or I told you take notes and then you were going to get to say what you wanted to
say yes the time has arise resp yes the time is here I I I just don't want to feel like I I took away your opportunity to thank you say that you want you want to start yes thank you again for your concerns they were heard loud and clear the last time uh since then we have made
changes maybe they may not be as obvious to you we have changed materials we have changed the roof of one of the garages to make sure that it does not look identical with the neighboring property uh we've changed um Landscaping one to
be more shade tolerant want to be more sun-loving so we're trying to differentiate as much as possible um I will let the architect talk about crawl spaces and and and specific code you know comp lines as in as it relates
to new construction and how homes are being built if you want to take that one okay so so again um this particular property is flood zone X so it's not in a flood zone um Additionally the homes are intentionally cited centered on the
property we're exceeding the side setbacks over actually doubling and tripling on either side so we're not right up to the 5 ft like we're allowed to we intentionally have a more linear scheme partly for that reason okay the
the issue of flood mitigation is is proven through calculation okay you have what's called a soil test that gives you the permeabil permeability of the property the permeability of this property might be different than four properties over okay so you understand
how the ground is going to receive the water and you base that into your calculation that gives you the size and length of your swes okay and so and again with the added setbacks on the sides we have more than adequate area to
have these depressions and to retain the water on the site so that's not an issue just to add to that for those who are not in the construction uh you know on a daily basis uh the the swes are created during
construction with depressions that it's done with heavy machinery where they will provide a dip if you will in your lawn right for the water rain water is catched right for then the soil and Landscaping to absorb that okay so I
think for many people they just don't understand how water stays within the property I just want you to understand that it is a it is a grading plan that is provided through calculations that does get approved under a code review a general a licensed general contractor
oversees the construction and inspect ctor comes and verifies that it is done correctly so rest assured we will do everything in our power according to code and exceed expectations to make sure no rainfall water runs off to neighboring properties and onto the
street okay additionally I think it was mentioned before but the driveways in one case is concrete okay the other one is a Turf P which is 40% permeable um in in both cases for both properties we include
the impervious aspect of the driveway as part of our calculation so we are well under the the the maximum okay um and and lastly I wanted to actually give you a nod Mr bbom because you pointed us to make a change on the garages and we
actually feel that it made the project better if you I don't know if you've seen it this is what we had very similar so now I was just pointing out thank you um that that's what we had previously you're an architect as well
yeah and I'd like to address your comment about the size the house that was on that property previously that's recently been demolished was over 3,000 square ft um again we are not asking for any variances we are we have designed these homes to code we have in the
majority of cases in terms of setback Heights maximum square footage we have been well within those parameters so we don't feel we're extending or building up to the edge of what's allowable we're being very conservative and mindful and
addition to that the um the front of the property is just a one story if you notice the second story is towards the rear so we're trying to bring the scale down to the street to mimic the size of the homes on that
street and and to further that the Second Story um are are two bedrooms and a shared bath they're as small as we could and as efficient as we can possibly make them and line of sight with the adjacent with the neighbors the back door neighbors side neighbors have
been part of the consideration of the location of the windows many of the windows that you see are just to bring natural light into the house there are in fact clear story Windows like above this door where you're just looking at the tree canopy or or the sky okay
yeah other windows that are on the second floor belong to a bathroom and those are obscured so again a privacy glass Mr Mr Mayor yes nobody said anything about the property value I need I need to know what is that
property value going to be cuz what I see is different from what's already there what's the property value what are you shooting for you're the contractor do you mean what we anticipate to sell the property at once
it goes for sale we calculated 2 million to to what 2 million 1.8 to 2 million is what we calculated based on other uh comparables in elportal that have sold in similar size and price per square foot but not on that
street in El portel yeah the but not on that street right okay anyone else from the um committee um I just wanted to say that uh I appreciate that you worked with us so much over the
last three months multiple meetings you submitted a lot of ideas and when we told you what some of the residents wanted you were willing to change things and you made those changes and I appreciate you doing that I also want to let you know we appreciate that you took
the time and took us on tours of the property you even let me climb a tree and you you and I discussed about how important the the landscape and the trees were how it's important not only for albertal being a tree City but also
it helps with the water permeability it also helps with everything else doing here but shade yeah with shade but the main thing is um I think you guys have worked very diligently to try and meet all of our needs and um I want to thank
you for taking the time so so often honestly I mean I think we saw each other almost every other week but you you guys really worked hard to try and make this work so thank you thank you thank you thank you very much uh council person wins anyone else from the council from the committee just a quick quick
little comment I I I I appreciate all the comments and I I take it under consideration and um understand where everyone is coming from and I think councilman herbal did a good job of kind of wrapping it up for me is like there's
a certain element of Faith that's required in this analysis where it's uh you say yes to something and you hope you don't regret it later um and I think that that is always a scary thing to do uh for me personally um when I sit up
here I know that there certain things that we look at objectively and Scarlet guides us to as far as whether or not this is to code right I think you said it over and over again and it's true like you're not seeking any variances I mean they own the property I think to
myself whether or not I would want um my neighbors to have the determinative say as to what my property can look like um so when I think about Aesthetics I can think about what I would want to live in
but I don't know whether or not that is the barometer within which I would uh evaluate this um I Look to Scarlet I say hey is this to code as far as you know about uh mitigation permeability like have they taken the steps I I get
feedback from Scarlet yes um also councilman Winters has just spoken about I have not not climb trees at your property but he he just spoke about your willingness to take the feedback and ensure that our vision for the village things that are currently in the village
that you are in some way trying to stay in line with that um I do also think that it's important to respect people's uh rights on their property to um make things aesthetically what they would like it to be as long as it is not
something that is jarring completely um incompatible against the code all of those things um um so when I'm analyzing this situation I I I do hear everyone in the audience and I think it's important um but I
also uh have to weigh that against um the fact that there aren't any things that Scarlet is telling us that is against the code um or any I think glaring
incompatibilities that are not somewhat informed by a subjective element that I'm not NE necessarily um I don't want to be dominated by and considering this decision so um yeah I it's a tough decision I want everyone everyone to
know that we're listening and I think we have an additional comment but I don't want us to lose um the perspective of the the applicant in this as well thank you thank you madam vice mayor I appreciate that thank you um last one my brother yeah thank you again for letting me speak um one of the
things that hasn't been addressed and one of the council women said it is the taxes P perspective right and let me put this let's look at this I have an NBA from whon so I know numbers right so I know what's going to happen so at the end of the day when you look at the
people that live on that block and I've been there 30 years my parents have been there like what 40 years so you have an age group that's going to retire that's on a fixed income we're seeing what's going on currently in the economy and we have examples of other areas now you're
telling us our taxes are going to be raised in that with our parents who are living on a fixed income a several people on that block are retired they don't make their incomes aren't going to rise it's going to stay consistent they're dependent on Social Security
with this new two of them how does that impact we need a quantitative assessment to understand that right you have that entire block that is going to be negatively impact because of the value is going to increase that 3% that's going every year that's right Horizon inflation's usually 1 or 2% no actually
the economy GDP actually grows on a 1 2% right you're saying on a 3% and if we're seeing that this is the first of many that can come in there we're going to see several more of these houses we've seen examples of this coming into the property into the area right now and somebody's mentioned this is one of the places that when you're moving outside
of Bickle everybody wants to come in here right so now let's assess this and let's look at our currently our residents and let's look at our profile will they be able to afford this with these property values and the taxes that they have to pay I can tell you right
now I can do the numbers in my head and I'll tell you that now so when we say and we look at these properties and we ask these questions yeah you're up in the Cod and you're doing work but we have people that we've grown up together that's been two three generations here and we're seeing how they're going to be negatively impacted this is not a
decision that's going to be like one it's a it's a it's not a it's not a Sprint it's a marathon and this right here going to impact for Generations this is where people are trying to pass down something that do even address what happens when you want to pass that house
down to your son your daughter the taxes that they have to pay now can they afford it if their parents couldn't do you think they can no thank you very much appreciate it yeah um no problem thank you very much my brother appreciate it just say your
name address full name address Elita 12 Northeast 19th Street um thank you for that so the first thing since tonight is it's all about the new developments sort of like or variance and we're discussing please being very considerate that our
village I've been here for 10 years and to be honest before I didn't realize much but with the time we came into the realization that what is the the thing that makes the most difference in our
neighborhood are the trees and um I do see that in the back you did not have any trees but in the front which I'm assuming that will be you know you've added a little bit more trees but for of the experience what I've seen in my
neighborhood um when a new developer comes in our into our neighborhood either because they don't live here either because they don't understand the the importance of it but the first thing that they do is they actually cut down the trees and that is
exactly why you will be able to sell this property for 2 million just because of those trees let alone that why we appreciate our neighborhood so much is because of the trees so I appreciate um that Council winter emphasized that but
please I would I would please encourage also the other council members please keep that in mind let's create either I don't know a video to educate anyone that wants to come into our neighborhood develop I'm Pro development just you
know like I would you know like I would um appreciate that it's just that when it comes to the trees I've seen that over and over and over that from the experience if you go on 9th Street on First Avenue if you happen to drive
there you will see that the same developer have has wiped two houses from the trees and what they added they added one palm tree because that's what's requested from our code you're replacing a tree with a tree replacing an oak tree
with an palm tree those are two different things so I'm sure that you I mean you have added in your renderings and I'm sure you appreciate that and you will be adding that but also to other developers I mean I know it's not going to make a big difference but it was
mostly from the council members please try to emphasize that um it's it sounds you know it's it's a tree and maybe it's the last thing on your sort of on your project priority but please place that because that's why
you are able to sell that 2 million otherwise you know if you were in another neighborhood that does not have trees you know that that property will never set sell for that value so please save our trees I mean thank you thank you appreciate council person win for speaking on that also um they'll tell
you my only thing that I suggested was what about landscape Andries when I spoke to them I said my number one thing was landscap and trees and I told them I said um I said the essence of aler tile is landscape and
trees so that's what it was so so we got your back the councelor has your back on Mr May quick question yes um I think my question would help just for if I could just ask because I actually actually go anywhere this go ahead clarify so so Mr Mayor if um if I
had a mind to say I'm not going to vote for any prop any new construction that's going to have a re a a a sale value approximated of more than 1.5 million would I be able to uh yeah I see the attorney already shaking his head no
right so right so um so that's that's kind of where I'm at like in the in the mass discussion like how big the property is right so um I have my personal feelings on what I want to see uh I say this all the time in Miami I don't think anybody should bu build
above the tree line obvious viously I am uh in the minority on that vote and I am outvoted consistently on that everywhere around this County um I'm not going to get my wish on that right um and so I just bring that up to say um that uh
there are certain things that you know as a council we look at and we are able to either prohibit or uh use as a calculus to you know vote yay or nay on certain items but then on other issues there really isn't much um
that allows us to uh you know put uh specific types of uh restrictions on or the reasoning behind why we're going to vote uh yes or no because of the property rights that property owners have so I just wanted to um you know how I like to play devil's advocate for the
benefit of the public so there you go oh no problem you know we always appreciate you council president I have some stuff to say about that which is uh along those lines that I'll say uh go ahead Mr nvar hey I I just wanted my name kixo aruro Naro from 335 Northeast 87 Street
I live right down the street first of all I want to thank everybody that's here tonight mayor councel attorney city manager and all the staff that's here uh this evening um number one I just a
story on on history and a story on why we are where we are at today in elportal in in Miami nobody would have ever imagined a hundred years ago that Miami would be like this okay we cannot stop
development Whoever thought we would have electric cars Whoever thought we would we went from horses and carriages to combustion engine and whoever thought that we would
you know that they would revive H Henry flagler's vision and we would have the train with passengers again that had disappeared in 1935 so what I'm trying to say
is just in general to any new uh construction that goes on here we have a lot and we've seen a all this happen in this city I am all for it as long as we do our due diligence as
a village and as people that live here and we are a small community we cannot stop people we cannot stop development we cannot stop it what we can do is work together with them okay that house over
there to the left it could easily be my house my house looks like that it's a 1950s mid-century house something Frank Gary would have designed back in the days or um the other great mid-century
architects of the time and even that one is a mid-century it goes in line with El portel there's lots of mid-century homes and one of the beautiful gems is the one sitting back here on the river so it's okay I I support I think the
water issue is the the issue but we have other lingering issues here in elportal and I think that with what is happening today at the bigger scope of our national government and state government the funding to switch
from septic to sewer drainage and all these issues are probably not going to happen so for a long time so we can't stop what is going on and I think that the codes that Dade County
applies um to uh everyone in the county they have to abide by and their elevations and water and everything because these are things I've been to the other meetings here where the ma water management
people have been here and and discuss all these issues and you know I was one of the big proposals of removing the dam and letting the river flow freely well we're in 2025 you can't do that because all the
salt water would come into the village and we would have a great disaster here so something that was thought of in N the 1970s when did it happen Dr Ward yeah when did they do that Dr Ward you were here yes I was in the what 70s ' 80s it was in between late late '70s
early 80s okay and now we can't revert the river back we can't revert the the flow of that little river so what I'm saying here is that I understand a lot of the concerns and I know my neighbors
and I know all my neighbors that had lived here who bought these houses back here in the' 40s and they've been very and I've watched a lot of them sell their homes and move on and I will eventually have to sell my
home and move on now in terms of tax I am a realtor the county sets the increase not the village this has nothing to do with it the people sitting there in the
county offices all they look at are are what they need okay so everybody across the board in Dade County 3% it has nothing to do with that now what you guys do Omar and all you
increase the millage rate and I think you just did that recently you don't do that we never have increased the millage rate you never increased the mill rate I thought you had done it I'm sorry and and forgive me for that never increas and um and then lastly and I'm going to
do this big push okay and I'm going to close with this I had I have started to switch all my Landscaping from uh non-native plants and I've been ripping out all non-native plants and
I'm strictly doing native plants I still haven't gotten to the point of ripping out my beautiful Green Hedge that took 10 years to grow but it's a poto carpus and it's extremely extremely invasive iive in South Florida but I will get to
that eventually but I'm not I I still haven't gotten to the point there and I will do a natural hedge so I urge you not to bring imported plants to use native Florida plants and I will tell you this and I'll tell all the residents you do it little by little it's
wonderful and the amount of birds and butterflies I get in my home are incredible and the landscaper told me that and I really didn't believe him at first but but it's true so thank you
thank you thank you very much appreciate that all right before I I I start to close this out any last questions or comments from the committee one last comment 10 seconds go ahead uh yeah so uh so in all of this from the perspective see on the council we have
developers come and present things to us part of the calculation is how long does that plan on being in the village right so if it's someone who's planning on building new construction and selling and leaving then um there's a whole uh or if someone's coming in and flipping a
property um you know uh uh there should be a heavier weight consideration for someone who is uh building and plan and planning on remaining I will say that um and then additionally um uh to someone's
Point as far as what was in North Miami or other parts other places you can find if elport toown does not maintain its character so like if we do not maintain the character of el portel we will be 100% susceptible to whatever is
happening in the real estate market uh in the largest we just we're just going to become part of Miami dat County statistics um and I think that part of uh an insurance program for elpel against these types of cyclical uh
fluctuations in terms of mitigating the severity of them uh both up and down because because uh a spike in property values um uh usually only benefits a small number of people and is usually a spike in property values can be can can
change a community overnight basically on on who immediately decides to sell and who's uh deciding to come into that Village so um so we are certainly a a incredibly inclusive Village uh as far as not excluding anybody out of the Vel
portel but uh the the the ambiguous consideration of what is the character of RA portel is the discussion I think that's maintained its uh consistency tonight because that is the thing that has to be protected for us to
be able to navigate the uncertainties and the cyclical nature of uh these things as we go through the future as well as to you know do right by the residents who live here thank you very much anybody else from super quick super fast the gentleman in
the corner that went to Warton uh I have a brother-in-law that went to warten as well uh I want to chat with you some more I know we're going to have a long meeting just in case I would love to chat with you some more about um the affordability issue that you highlighted I think it's definitely a a super
important issue it's very pressing it's at the front of mine for a lot of folks um I don't know whether or not this type at this level uh and this type of ad hoc like enforcement would move the needle on that but I would love to talk about
just more globally um elport Tal's stance on that positioning on that and whether or not there's something that we can discuss about the with the county as to how that could be be impacted um so if you can stick around or if you can't stick around the clerk's not here but
drop your info uh so we can have a a meteor conversation about that very good one more sounds good um anybody else me yeah is this working did it stop working there it goes all right I want to take a moment to sincerely
thank everyone that came out tonight and spoke about their concerns um your time your input your passion for our village this is what makes us aler toow and these conversations are what connects our community um as a vice mayor
mentioned earlier uh at the end of the day the property does belong to the Builder and as long as they follow the building code then they have the right to develop it and if not if we don't like this we need to change the building code we need to actually State what we want elportal
to be and I know we're we're doing a lot of that right now uh I do want to reiterate that um they have gone above and beyond in working with us to make concessions to address many concerns uh it's been a collaborative process and I
appreciate it from all sides um one of the concerns that every one just spoke about was the property values and I understand that change can sometimes feel uncertain but I also want to recogn uh recognize the larger Trend happening around us because just four blocks north
of us is Miami Shores the property values are skyrocketing now when you are looking at the property values when you're selling a new home you look up to a mile this means whatever they're doing over there and they're selling houses for a million 2 three four it's going to
raise house values over here that are three blocks away there's no way we can control that we're not going to go to Miami Shores and say hey guys stop selling for such expensive prices so um this is a reality it's it's sh we shaped by a market that demand it's a radius
of you can throw a stone at it so that said uh we have um we what we have to do is control how we grow um when when development is done thoughtfully with Community input like
we've seen here today um it strengthens our village rather than disrupts it so again I want to send my thanks out I appreciate the residents uh sharing their voices tonight and their willingness to engage um as we discuss about these
properties thank you council person Winters anybody else from the committee all right so here's where we're at okay so you know the mayor brings it all together all right so um so these are our choices so we can remember this is the first reading
because it has to go to full counsel before it's passed through and they can do anything uh all right so we can either vote this through as is that's option number one um you can make a somebody can make a motion to vote this through as this somebody can make a motion
to defer it again um somebody can make a motion to uh council person bbom vote through one house right now I guess um separate votes separate there's going to be separate votes um but we I'm saying we
can do that also uh those are kind of the options or things could just die as far as no motion um those are pretty much the options so do I have a motion for anything up here I'll move to approve partiel
B okay we're going to take them one at a time anyway so we'll come to par I'll second it all right so we have a motion we have a second for approval of partial um parcel B parcel B uh attorney Geller can you uh please do a roll call please
yes sir okay on the motion to approve the uh presentation and the request site plan for parcel B uh council person Winters yes council person lot
Ward keep going no we we go and this is do that right well you just have to pass and say you don't want to vote then at all got gotta vote you gotta vote yeah orain
yes yes uh council person her bomb I vote Yes vice mayor Morton yes mayor Nickerson yes passes 5 Z do I have any motion for parel a
so moved second to move I'm sorry moved by vice mayor Martin for parcel a to do what to accept staff's recommendation on it approve it okay a motion in favor by uh the vice mayor and the seconded by councilman Winters seconded by council
person Winters seconded by council person Winters okay uh on the motion to approve uh by the vice mayor seconded by council person Winters council person Winters yes council person lefoot Ward
yes council person Urban no vice mayor Martin yes mayor Nickerson yes passes by a vote of 4 to one mayor next item would be item F yeah
five F5 but before so just make sure you got to come to the full Council okay that's the that's your last and final um so you know just make sure that you you might want to still reach out to the committee members that who will be council members at that point and see if
they have any you know anything that they want to still address also uh Mr walker uh Blair we be get in touch with you because we also kind of want to know the the process for new properties and like you know how you guys need to be
able to pass a certain threshold before you can get approved with the drainage and stuff like that so we be talking about that also thank you can can I ask if anybody has my notes that might have been up at the podium and accidentally took them away somebody accidentally take her notes I need my
notes do we have anyone can you look in your papers any notes to your papers we please our our planner and zoner needs some notes I hope it's not somebody who left already Scarlet I know me too oh we got
okay well you know Mr Walker had them they in good hands I don't got I'm not worried about anything you know hope she got the [Music] news love it when you intera all right is that is that good or
oh you can put it this side on this side of the um for the people or for us we have it yeah yeah yeah show the yeah show the people show the people I want an aquarum as
a all right while they're setting up um hello everybody hello all right while they're setting up we're on F5 this is 460 Northwest 90th Street new site plan um Miss Hammond if you want to go
through kind of your report and your recommendation while they're setting up okay okay this is a request um for site plan approval for new construction of a new residence at 460 Northwest 90th Street the site is 7,500 ft and
currently there is an existing home that was built in 1955 the proposed resident residential use is permitted under um the code and the proposed home is to be one story and will be a total of 2,363 Ft we'll have three bedrooms four
bathrooms one car garage and a covered rear Terrace the home was reviewed under the development standards of the code and is consistent and no variants are requested the proposed design of the new residential represents um a somewhat contemporary architectural style and the
proportions in scale of the residents are um viewed to be compatible with the the neighborhood homes um for that um we are recommending um approval um with no conditions thank you very much um any questions or comments from the committee
hearing seeing I want to ask a quick question do those doors open up to the waterfall I'm sorry what was that do the doors open up to the waterfall like the whole back of the house opens up oh no so there's a uh the the the you're
talking about the the water feature going down right there right that's not a waterfall yeah it's the waterfall into the pool yeah yeah the water feature into the pool yeah you can the glass behind it does it open up to make one big open area yeah that's that's the
idea like have an interior exterior feeling space so it's there when you need it but then you can remove it and have open air exactly that's the idea yeah yeah so if I yeah my name is andr baros I'm the architect this is Angelica and Umberto they're the owners and the uh this is their dream home that we're
building so we're not developers we're not flippers this is their home speced by them personally working with me personally uh working with them so a lot of love is going into this home and if I may I'm just going to present the the project so uh good evening council
members good evening community aille portal thank you for the opportunity to present this design for a modern single story home uh the goal with this project is to create a home that not only enhances the character of the neighborhood but also integrates stul integrates thoughtfully with the
existing aesthetic of the community the design of the home Embraces a modern architectural style while respecting the established look and feel of elportal I was inspired by the Mason remodern architectural style outlined in the elportal design
guidelines the style emphasizes strong clean lines the use of durable materials and a connection of nature all which are reflected in the design the use of the layered roof lines adds depth and visual interest without overwhelming the surroundings a careful curated mix of
materials including natural stone wood and neutral tones ensures that the home complements the area's architectural diversity rather than starkly standing out so some features of the home there's the feature wall the the home the home's
defining element is the White Rock clad feature wall which serves as a grounding element for the structure tying together both roof lines the texture of the stone adds a natural touch that harmonizes with elport to's Lush and organic setting the built-in planter uh which is
on the facade integrates into the facade the planter reinforces the connection between architecture and nature contributing to The Greenery that defines the village the pervious pav driveway the environmentally conscious Choice supports the natural drainage system minimizing runoff and preserving the
ecological balance of the site um so it's a single story home the modest scale of the home respects the residential character of the neighborhood and maintains a human scale presence that aligns with the surrounding homes so there's the pervious driveway which mitigates storm water impact
supporting the community's ecological values the integration of natural materials ensures a Timeless look that evolves gracefully within the neighborhood and the design prioritizes visual Harmony embracing a modern language while preserving the areas
historic and natural charm so as you can see it's a one-story home it's their lifelong home that they're building and um we'll take any questions if you guys have any or any from questions comments from the committee hearing seeing none questions or
comments from the audience about this particular property come up come on up repeat your uh full name and address for the record kto naar 335 Northeast 87 Street first of all thank you for the council
mayor and all the people present first thing wanted to welcome you to the Village of el portal to the new residents that will be here and um I'm sure you're going to find this Village wonderful it's a wonderful place
to live in and um great neighbors great everything and basically just wanted to welcome you and I will I'm support your project and I hope you make this your home forever thank you thank you thank
you very much it's beautiful Federico sapata 156 Northwest 89 street I'm also a billage of portal uh resident for almost 10 years and I really approved the project well really well
executed really well designed excellent uh selection of materials and if you need any help with construction lat thank you you know what's funny somebody mentioned before like oh you're going to be taking out those the oak trees and putting in a palm tree we're actually doing the opposite it right now the site
is pretty Barren there's one palm tree in the front we're removing it and we're putting in two oak trees perfect we love it we love it we love it the shade it's the shade any any other questions or comments from the uh audience guys good all right back to the council do I have a motion to approve you do motion by uh
counc person like foot Ward do I have a second a second second by council person bbom um attorney Geller can I please have a roll call please on the motion to approve council person Winters yes council person life Ward oh
yes council person Erma yes vice mayor Mark yes mayor yes passes by the motion to approve passes by a vote of five to Z thank you very much thank you thank you
very much um remember you guys have to come back for the full Council um starting tomorrow remember you got to get the sign yeah yeah it'll be available starting tomorrow anytime from tomorrow on cuz he no because she has a do them first yeah no problem yeah just go to
the front desk they'll have it okay uh and then all you have to do is leading into the council meeting um like a couple weeks before just put the sign out in the front of the property okay okay that's what you got to do after after no no no like tomorrow when you pick up the sign 10 days yeah yeah 10
days days prior to the April General council meeting oh the SI got to be up 10 days prior or yeah but you just just just just put it put it once you get it you be safe you don't have to think about it all right yeah it's all good okay thank
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connect it on three here just take this cable and connect it to three yeah yeah bring yeah take the C okay there you go should be thank you thank you so
much all right we're back okay so we're going to do the same thing um with this one that we did for three and four so we'll talk about or do we you want to do them individually you want to talk about both at the same time both at the same time
we can talk about both at the same time both individually we'll talk about both at the same time you all F6 and F7 and then we'll vote individually on them lot 13 and 14 okay all right uh Scarlet oh Scarlet's over here now all right we'll
start off with her so just we know this was deferred from last time just give a little background your recommendation staff recommendation and then we'll switch over to you yes yes this came before you in January with um some design concerns and um the appc has made
some some um concessions to that um with the new submitt um this um applicant just to remind you is sanctuary Venture LLC they're requesting site plan approval for construction of two new residents at 8750 Northeast 4th Avenue
road and these are lots 13 and 14 um previously um the the application did include a new home on lot 15 but that that does contain an existing home and now the the the proposal is that that
home will remain as it is um this site consists um of three lots that total 1965 Square ft and again currently developed with one single family home that was built in 1960 and that again
will remain the existing platting includes um three individual Lots um as Parcels that have never historically been United but currently accommodate only one single family home and they all share the same address at at present the
property appraiser has also assigned one folio number to all of three lots and each of the Lots currently share the same address the applicant seeks to use the existing two vacant Parcels to build two separate dwellings and again this is not required to be replatted because um
these lots have always been separate Lots um each resident is proposed each new resident of the two that he's proposing are two stories and feature open courtyard separating two sides of the first level the first lot is lot 13 it's a
two-story structure of 4,211 square ft and the the new home will have four bedrooms and four and a half bathrooms and a twocc car carport the um Sanctuary Sanctuary corner is lot 14 also two-story house
with 257 squ ft the home will have three bedrooms and three bathrooms no garage or carport these homes were reviewed under our code and found to be consistent and they are not requesting variances the proposed proposed design
for these residents represents a contemporary architecture which our applicant's going to explain to you and um they do vary a little bit from the older traditional Styles but they are found to be in proportion and scale of the residents overall comparable to to
the neighborhood homes um for that reason um staff is recommending um the approval for these two new residents on two lots all right go ahead with your uh all right good evening uh Planning Commission members major and um
residents my name is Federico sapata like I said before I'm a proud Village resident for 10 years I live at 156 Northwest 89th Street El Portal and I want to begin sincerely thanking Village staff ER zoning staff for the
recommendation of approval it's been a rewarding pleasure working with you the property is located directly across Village Hall the two bacon Lots involved in this proposal have never seen
development before I begin I would like to ask this Madame manager two questions the first one will be do bacon L cost Village money and the second one what is more beneficial to the Village a vacant
land or a built parcel no a vacant lot is under um it does not bring the village any kind of um tax revenue and obviously we would love to see developed um communities
that you know aren't vacant or or uh Baron we would like to see a a thriving village with beautiful you know development or homes and uh landscape appreciate your response so what what I what I think about development in parel
Spain um paying taxes and the more we have parcel build that pay land we have a budget and that project is going to spread across two three today tonight we saw including ours is going to be five properties
that are going to be paying ta property taxes that were not paying property taxes before just taxes for the land value pretty low and recent home owners on brand new properties pay pay around and I have
seen uh on the top of 50k on property taxes that's how much a brand new property will pay whereas some of the existing Property Owners pay between 4,000 to 8,000 sometimes they sometimes I pay low sometimes I pay more
more um with that said that brings us to a better sweet note on what I will be removing and it's a very portrait three number 12 is a live oak located on site and it has been assessed
by the certifi arboris as being very poor condition with only 15% bigger it displays Port foliage density declining vitality and is described and being in the final stages of its life as such
removal of both both is both environmental responsible necessary for safety and side viability I want to First State here that there's existing oak trees on the
property and we we won't be cutting down any trees what we are doing here is requesting the relocation of three very large oak trees we call these trees for for the record is 3 is 14 15 and 16 on
the San approval that we propose and I want to talk about three motion and it's a company that we have contracted it's a certified company that has been in business for many years and as you can see in one of their photos
they have done multiple three relocations especially Oak three relocations uh and the diagram that you see on the screen and I can share this with you after shows you where exactly the trees that we are relocating and
where they will be being relocated trees are as I understand by the Cod and perhaps the B attorney can um elaborate further it's being overseen by Miami dur Miami dur we have submitted an application
there is a County ordinance that regulates regulates regulates streets so having said that we have apply already for a three relocation permit and that is ongoing due to the unique shape of the
corner lot this is not a square site as many of the properties that we saw tonight this is a very old shape the strict setbacks of the village septic tank clearances especially on lot 13 it is not feasible to adjust the side
layout to preserve these trees that's why we are relocating them the buildup area is severely constrained and without relocation we will be deprived of the reasonable and beneficial use of our land including the
ability to construct and having a single family home that is compliant with the all the applicable sonning and building codes for my conversation with Mr Benders at a to lot a couple of weeks ago as we should have a Bill of Rights
over our properties and I believe we have a right to developer site into building a single family home we're not proposing anything that is foreign to what it's has been built in the city so santuari Corner Blends Florida
vernacular architecture with the natural textures featuring vertical wood accents Deep Over hands and generous glazing we are proposing loose lar Grainery cascading Planters from the
second level to soften the hom lines creating a sess connection with the surrounding landscape the design reflects El Portal's commitment to Green resilient development while maintaining the intimacy scale of the
neighborhood our second proposal is sanctuary Arbor sentu Arbor carries forward with the same tol design with a strong horizontal expression and a recess shaded entry it's a
strong reflection of Mo measuring modern architecture with some Modern touches and some materiality that has been approved by the design guidelines of the city like a spok concrete the linear form mirrors geometry and a lot of incorporat native
landscape as one of the speakers tonight encouraged that and we what we are proposing is native landscape and a sort of facade that harmonize with the street the architecture reflect the village identity modern jets jet respectful of
his LOD natural settings unfortunately we got put last on the agenda and I wanted to my wife and my daughters to be here because they're excited um to for this house as we said
we live here and and we look forward to this property that potentially be our future home um my mom and my stepdad lived on the house that that is existing on the property so we're bringing more residents and bringing this family
oriented Vision so I just want to share a video because my daughter was very excited excited about this this project so she just gave us a tour of the of the house so just to to close our homes enhances
the neighborhood character with modern high quality design and respect the village scale adds long-term value through responsible infield development and improv Street Scapes includes onside septic storm water system and utility
connections with minimal infrastructure impact promote sustainability with Native Landscaping energy efficient features and water safy systems thank you everybody for your attention and thoughtful consideration we respect your support and favorable
review of sanctuary Arbor in sanctuary corner thank you very much um questions and comments from the from the committee yeah I've got uh some comments um uh so I remember from the last meeting we were discussing the
possibility of of three properties so you decided to maintain the existing home that's there on that lot and then uh just focus on the two vacant lots for development is that correct that is correct the ex if I can elaborate yeah
sure sure uh the at the time of our application we didn't know exactly the structureal Integrity of the existing house because we purchased the property in December after further investigation uh we found that is structurally stable so we wanted to keep
the house okay and we're keeping it um and then do you would you still have plan once these projects were done would you still have plans for um uh remodeling or otherwise uh making modifications to the existing houses there on the third lot we just improve
internally it it is great it's a it's an architecture that is actually unique because it's our Deco and it's actually was built by an R Deco architect very famous R Deco architect
at the time I think it was built in the 1960s okay so um for the sanctuary Corner property which I believe is what we're looking at right behind you here is that right correct okay so um I have to say this is a for me a marked
improvement over the middle uh design from the last meeting um uh my again I'm not not against modern architecture I I'll focus on the sanctuary Corner property right now um
and so uh I'm a little bit torn I'll get through it but because of where these properties are where this lot is these are that's an absolute like iconic corner for the village whatever ends up on that corner lot both of those lots or
you know however it looks with all three of them there the existing plus the two new however it looks in the end um will absolutely uh uh have a significant impact on um on the village I think going forward um I
don't get the impression that that's lost on you um uh I think you see that of where that where that corner is where they are um uh it's unavoidable so my initial reaction to this was was I'll be
blunt was was still negative um overall but but uh um honestly as I sit with this one the corner property I do feel that it has a uh mid-century modern quality to it um outside of just its
straight you know modern architecture um I do think you softened it up quite a bit um it I felt it was the original design from last time was I felt like quite abrasive in terms of just a stark contrast compared to what is around it
right so um so I'm softening on this design and then my comment for the arbor uh property is you know I was looking at the the full uh portfolio inside the
house the back the experience of living in that property right and I got to be honest um I feel like it belongs like on Star Island or like Palm Island like I mean it's it's an impressive property uh uh I certainly don't feel that it's a that it's an unimpressive uh design it's
makes great use of the space um for the arbor property I still I for me it almost feels industrial or certainly commercial um versus just strictly uh modern residential uh the lines are just
so uh completely uh I I don't know I don't it feels like it's a it feels like there's a parking area below and then there's like offices upstairs for the arbor property I'm still having a hard time w my head around uh how it truly
fits into the surrounding area I was when I first saw the update for the for this middle property the corner property um my initial reaction I think probably was still anchored in the previous presentation um I am definitely softening quite a bit on on the corner
property it seems to as I sit with it it does seem to fit with uh certainly mid mid-century modern Concepts that has a feel of you know of that era to it um and um and the vegetation the hanging or
not honestly even if it wasn't doesn't have to be hanging I think just adding the the Planters is H is is wonderful honestly and and goes a long way towards towards making it feel more residential as opposed to just uh strictly just a a a
modern structure um is this there is no proper Garage on either of these properties one the arbor has a has car port and then this is just fully exposed is that right correct okay all right so I don't know that I I'm open to any you know comments feedback or anything you
want to address and anything I just said but um those are my initial I got you comment and if you look at the latest renderings for Arbor we added some uh Planters on the second level to soften it up and to bring this Greener inside
because before like you said it was a lot of Glass on the side and could be amazing if you have an amazing view um here you have an amazing view but it's full trees so we soften it up we soften that up with the lens with the Planters on the second level for Arbor similar to
this one so yeah yeah I totally got that my my initial my initial concerns with the first presentation was just the the the strictly modular presentation of it um um I for the for the corner that it's
on and where it is um of you know uh um distraction again kind of runs into the mind of like I mean it stands out it's going to be noticed that's for sure um then the question becomes is does it does it stand out uh in you know one
aspect or does it stand out because it's creating questions like oh well you know so um u in my mind I'd want to avoid it being con you don't want a lot of questions being generated by it you just want that feeling generated by it and I
I'm starting to feel like you pull off the corner but I I understand your your your comments but also on the right away there are multiple mature oak trees that kind of screen this property to the inside there's also there's a big mature
which are beautiful and I I we plan plan to keep it is birth of paradise so if you stand on the corner and look there's a big bush dense bird of paradise Pals that kind of screen this property so it kind of and plus the greenery that we
adding is kind of blends with those trees so you you won't see it as much we adding vertical elements wood elements that also is going to help that to kind of screen that view is not be as inv invasive design uh towards that corner and I know it's a prominent corner but I
I don't think what we are proposing here is is is bad for for that actually complement it I have a comment uh councilman herbal I think you hit the nail on the head as to what I was experiencing I I do think that
Sanctuary corner is amazing but the sanctuary Arbor did hit me as a little commercial um there's something about it that um just kind of kind of paused and and I I think that description is a good
is a good one it it strikes me as a bit sterile I think the roof line is a bit you know yeah I don't know like it's very linear very serious it's I think it's hard to Phantom but if you look at the other modern proposal on 87 which is
further to the west and you see a just solid facade with wood there's no elements and we wanted to avoid that that's why we did an interlocking play of the volumes so it's not that it's not that invasive and we also have wood on
the front so it's soften that facade up yeah and and so and we added Landscaping as well and probably initially the beginning when that house was built was against it but I think and including my all my friends that visited me they see
that property with that binds growing on the wall and said you know I want a house like that M another question for you uh and just Orient me as to how the house houses will interplay with each other are we
talking about they're all just kind of in the same row like just give me an idea of like how how do the houses it's impossible to put it on the same road because there are three different Lots so one is linear very typical to what
you see all throughout El Portal and then you have two Corner Lots the most difficult one is the corner lot and it's because it has an angle street that shapes the east side of the property line and and and also the the the setback
restrictions so it was very hard to plant this house to keep it small to get to also put put in a septic tank in it which has million requirements nowaday uh so so no they will be totally independent if it's simple houses they I
think the we comply with all the setbacks so I think from from from uh Sanctuary Arbor to the property to the West there's more 15 ft setback from this one we have a pool that we are proposing so it's going to be separated
from corner front Arbor and the existing tree the existing house that we're keeping actually complies with all the all the setbacks yeah I get all of that um but like when I'm when I'm looking at the property I'm standing in front of city Hall I'm looking at it what will I see there's the existing property I I
know where that will be where are the other two and if you want to use like I don't know this gavel this just Orient me a little bit like one second what's the experience you won't see the sanctuary Arbor why because you have an elevated
second level and it's actually free floor on the ground and it's the actually the ground uh or fin the ground floor or the interior living space is actually set back so you have similar parkings that you have all throughout the city people park on the front so we
have that so that that's that's going to be continuous on that street what you're going to see is just a mod line clean line on that second level and and what how we soften it out from the previous one we added a window we added a
vertical window to break that massiveness of that of that front facade the Vol the volume that fronts the street so when I'm standing in front of City Hall and I look I'll see the existing property statuary the sanctuary corner and then some are floating in the
back is sanctuary Arbor is that what you're saying you I I don't think you will see it because there's multiple trees on that right away especially old trees don't that's you won't see that second level and those those trees are going to stay okay so whether or not I see it that's where it will be I might
not be able to see it but so you're just going to like stack them all in there correct and I and I think we're just going to has your view I don't know if you have seen the property to your West should get some renovation okay talk right outside the door right uh well but but to to the east to the
west of us yeah yeah but you we right outside the door right correct yeah I've got one technical question so for the lot the middle lot uh the corner corner okay Sanctuary Corner um the driveway
itself um uh and in reference to the roundabout where are we having the driveway exit into the street the existing house has a has a turnaround entrance so what we're going to do is reconfigure people
are going to come in on the existing lot and where that comes out is actually on corner lot so basically you it's an it's an existing approach okay what we're just doing is just shifting the driveway
and separating it from the existing so it leads towards but a so but as of vehicle so as the vehicle exits the driveway it's on Park Drive it's you can you can drive right now and it's actually an existing same ex same existing approach we're not
changing we're not changing that y okay okay perfect okay question for scarlet oh no go do do yours first no do it my computer working again Scarlet as far as um
what is being proposed um I know that we have certain requirements as to guess how much space should be around the property all of that is in compliance with what is being proposed currently yes you're talking about setbacks yes setbacks yes correct
okay all right so thank you fredero um thank you for your time for the presentation thank you for making the adjustments since last time we met I appreciate that very much um I want to acknowledge these efforts that you've made to preserve the canopy
by updating the plans to relocate the trees instead of tearing down more trees and relocating one or two you You' made a lot of work to make that those trees um not get torn down um the chain shows you're trying to be responsive to the
community's feedback um but I do want to be honest you know there are so concerns we have um and I think many of us share it here um we appreciate the intent of saving the trees and relocating but there are serious risks for it um they're old
they're established Oaks and moving them isn't like transplanting a young sapling as we discussed the canopy must be severely cut back to even attempt the relocation so a large mature oak trees they don't recover like they do normally
with that kind of trauma their branches don't compartmentalize the way younger trees do and the result can be a slow decline over several years and as you and I spoke earlier um at the meeting you said to me that with your own statement there's a 40% chance the tree
may not survive and we have that over three trees that means we have a one in three chance that mature oak tree is going to basically lose its life because of the moving it um but this is a pretty high risk and when we're talking about trees that aren't just part of your lot
it's actually part of shered forest so this entire canopy is shared by the community and when even one of these trees dies especially after being cut or moved um it it's it feels like a loss for the entire Community um so the shade
The Roots the ecosystem it it connects us all so so the the risk the sorry to interrupt so go ahead yeah my AP um that was one concern but of course you have a tree company that is supposed to be very well
um versed in moving trees I I would definitely like to see the numbers from them of the survivability rate um that they're doing because we want to make sure these trees survive but there was another um problem that we also spoke about that I I this concern was about
the placement of the oak tree on the uh the sanctuary Arbor and you were going to move it all the way to the back about 5T or 10 ft from a power line now this tree right now has a 26t canopy
So eventually it will grow back into that power line and hopefully you're not cutting back to 5 feet or 10 ft wide canopy I mean that's that's really butchering it um I I I'm I'm a little worried about that because when you do
take the house and you sell it the the future owner is going to have to deal with that um at some point um and for both the homeowner and the power company it can be a problem um it could lead to extensive trimming or worse you know
complete removal of the down line or it could actually lead to the death of the tree so I'm just I wanted to reiterate that you know I still am very appreciative that you are willing to move the trees instead of tearing them down uh I know everyone here in alport loves the trees as you probably heard
tonight quite a few times um so the next thing I want to say is um I want to stress I'm not against your build I'm not against your right to build um it is your property and you have the right to build on your property
as you're following the building code that was developed by eleral and if we want to change the way the code is it's on us to do that um but since you own a Land and and you're following the code you have this right but as you acknowledge and I believe too um the
Forest The Shard Forest doesn't belong to just one lot it belongs to all of us so any action that could lead to a loss of a major part of the canopy is something we need to take seriously now I do want to ask one thing and we did
have a quick conversation about it um with the site the sanctuary Arbor um we had both uh council person bbom and vice mayor here speak about this one property and and I see the most beautiful canopy
in your yard right now and I'm hoping that they all survive and you just have this luscious Green Forest over it I see this flat roof and it it kind of scares me that you have these big oak trees that are going to drop honestly metric tons of leaves over
each year onto it would it be possible to put like a slanted roof on it a little bit 312 412 not talking about you know a hat on it we're talking about something that allows it to actually shed leaves is that something that's
possible for the designs can you finish and and then I'll I'll address you in order all right well thank you for showing the video of your daughter I appreciate I love family I love that you have your family here in eleral and your mother living right in that house and you live down the street
um and uh I hope we can work towards a solution for all of this for you okay appreciate it so regarding in the tri mitigation I think Derm gives us two options we need so we have development rights on on our property and where the trees and they do they do as you are
because they're the authority find ways to develop the L without removing the trees unfortunately this is a very old shape lot we have AR stringent setbacks there's no way to develop it
without moving or removing the trees so my question question to you is if you fear risk of the tree dying after relocation the other option that Miami Derm gives us is to replace the canopy
that we lost with new trees so that will be an option and that's and let me tell you that's a very better option and cheaper option than me going and relocating the trees so we've had some of that here in alportel where trees were replaced and
we have had had very angry mobs here telling us that they were not happy that the trees were replaced from a large oak tree and I would like to make sure the residents are somewhat appeased so that's what we're doing that's why I'm going to an extent of relocating
relocating the trees and not removing the trees and replacing the canopy with newer healthier trees and of course I appreciate it um regarding the tree triming um I and regarding and the and the interaction with power lines in my
house my neighbor and my property I we have four trees in the existing house that we live F pnl has to come in and trim the trees and I'm pretty sure that your property too if you look at front and on the side of your property it's full of mature trees so it won't
be invasive to what we are yes we're going to have to trim but I'm not doing the triming a professional company will do that and certify and it will be under the jurisdiction of Miami dur three uh regarding the flat roof there are midcentury architecture with flat roofs
existing our roof is not completely flat it has a pitch and on the end of the pitch we're going to have gutters that gutters is going to have a screen that prevent the leaves from staying in the roof water is going to come and shut down and we're taking a step further we
Tak it we taking gutters bring the water down under the ground into French drains and and mitigating that so that's an additional expense we're doing what is the pitch it's 1% I think sorry 2% is the is
is the recommended by Co but you can go down to 1% so you has a pitch it's not a completely it's it's less than 112 though it's it's only 1% it will it will let water drain off it but again you have 8 12 however many oak
trees in your yard they're going to be shedding onto that roof well is it enough pitch to shed the leaves it is it is enough and it will be a brand new concrete roof and it's going to be more resistant that the mid century architectures that are on this side of the house that pretty much they they
never gate Shadow thank you maybe have a final comment um so I think I have a question but I can't remember it I know I have a comment so I'll share that so I'll share that with you pass your so so I'm I'm thinking about my own comments about the
um Arbor property right and so um as was you know looking over their plans for like the seventh time you know um I think one of the challenges I have on the arbor property is that the um and and again it's hard to go off of renderings right
because renderings are I try to be cautious not to put too much faith into renderings and really try to go off plans and and what the uh you know someone like yourself is is explaining so one of my challenges as I look at the
renderings is that um part of why I feel I get a commercial vibe from it right um is because of the modular like it it's it feels like it's containers like a container container right so it feels like modular container uh con uh
construction which is of course um a style and again the property looks like will absolutely be a beautiful uh enjoyable property um and so maybe I have a suggestion and take it for what it's worth but one of the challenges I
see is that the lower the first story that is perpendicular across the property right um it almost has the illusion of being narrow like a container but then you look at the actual designs and you actually look at the the footprint and it's actually
pretty deep it's pretty deep right and so um along the eastern wall you have no windows currently in the renderings um second level yes second but on the first level um there yeah I see I see no
window windows on the on the East face so this the side that would be facing the corner property right there is a corner yeah there is there's a corner rendering and if you look at the rendering on the corner I I'm I'm talking about the arbor property right now yeah
okay this is the back of look y beautiful yep right so the wall there that's near us in that in that picture right that extends then out towards the street you know that that wall that wall is what I'm referencing in terms of
having no windows and I feel that if you even had just like these types of Windows along the top so that you're not I feel like something that would allow people to it from the rendering which again is difficult one of the challenges I have which makes me think of a
commercial property as opposed to residential is it looks like it looks like container construction as I'm saying so I think if you could do something to to have the eye notice that that bottom the first floor is actually
deep I feel like that would actually solve the problem of I have a I have a very detailed 3D so maybe before the commissioner meeting I can show you different views to kind of soften that
up something that up for you and if that's the case we can maybe perhaps we can add a add a slight window to just break that Vol Vol Vol yeah I'm looking at the aerial you know I'm looking at the top down I'm looking at other things I'm thinking okay from other angles I don't get the same impression as I do
from this street view right in the rendering which again is difficult to really make decisions off of trying not to put too much you know weight on the renderings um as opposed to the plans themselves but um but I anyway as I'm sitting looking at in my mind yeah you can kind of see how right it just it
looks like it's short it looks like it's just a you know like 10 yeah so I feel like if you could actually draw the eye to see that it's actually deep that that kind of solves the the the illusion of of the of the container configuration that correct that I'm that I'm getting
anyway so anyone else from the Council on committee very Ain seeing that anybody from the audience questions comment comments uh come up to this one over here so he can respond say your name address for the
record again Scott cobri 8525 Northeast 4th Avenue Road um so I just had a couple questions about the trees um so who is the arborist that uh is used for this is it a somebody that works with
the village or uh a third party it's a certified three Arbor three Arbor it's an arboris and it's a tree relocation company and it's approved by Miami dat there okay um but but it's not somebody who works with the city right because
we're a true City so I guess uh is there something that there no no we do not have um just like guess strict arborus dedicated to the Village no we would be soliciting services like that on an ad hoc basis essentially um uh and as far
as the tree City USA goes there's a uh just a few requirements for us to maintain that one of which actually centers around planting of trees that would be more like swales as opposed to residential within their you know properties in our parks in our swales um which um Robert Rano does a very good
job of helping us acquire these trees and make sure that we stay up to date with those um with those activities uh so so Tree City USA is a is a designation that we have but um um it does not mean that we have like a staff that within
our normal course of business at the manager overseas essentially we're able to check off the requirement boxes in our normal day-to-day operations without having to employ the use of somebody specific like an arborist um if that helps sure yeah I just was curious if
there was anybody from the village like working with um the people that are being hired by no we we default the Derm more to the county or uh you know our own code yet um yeah that is all uh yeah
there's no specialty uh division within the village that addresses that okay um and then uh these trees that are being removed they are being uh moved on the on the property to a different location on the property correct I showed the
diagram where got is going as I mentioned earlier I didn't get the the email so um and then um okay and and so I I think Charles uh council person Winters um asked about the other thing which is the
the percentage of survival rate that is like something from your understanding about 40% of of the that that's a that was my take after our conversations with Winters I I went to and talk spoke to my arborist and the certified free
relocator and they stated that with proper procedures the Tre the survivability is great that's why we're hiring a professional company to do that got it got it but they weren't able to provide any sort of like percentage of
of survi survival for no okay okay but it's pretty low if done correctly it's it's it's done it's low if if it's done correctly okay and under the Miami D guidelines okay yeah no I
just wanted to uh ask those questions and then I guess uh just comment that of course I I I don't want there to be any you know discrimination of this property because of its location um and I don't think that that
should be but what I say I think takes you know Place uh should take place everywhere in elportal which is that um you know our trees are extremely important our canopy is extremely important um and that you know if it is
uh not a you know a good chance that these trees are going to survive and we're removing uh you know a large percentage of those canopy um to take that into consideration and also ask um the do you know what the requirements are um for replacing that canopy because
I know that that is another option um that that is the other option and uh your trees are my trees I live I I also I'm also a resident of Del portal and like I said and I stated to Mr Winters the other option is to replace the can
canopy with better trees newer and better trees but I understand that there's a passion towards the existing and that's what I'm trying to do and that's why I'm going to a step forward to relocate in those trees and what happens in the case that those trees
don't survive there is a bond required by Miami their Derm so we are obligated to replace that canopy okay with a with the same speed ises and similar size and is there any sort of time period that like is that they would put in little saplings and
then take no it has to be mature trees bring brought in and probably one or two to replace the canopy if I might sir that's all governed by the County ordinance they're very specific and it's not you know kind of freehanded they're very clear in the County ordinance sure
okay thank you all right Mr Mayor if I could just super quick um so on the so first I I would like to genuinely say thank you for making the attempt to uh consider relocation as opposed to just strict replacement um uh I suspect that
since they are staying on the lot they will tolerate the soil well since the soil composition should be almost identical from the location they're mov being moved from and additionally I would anticipate that they would not have to um I I understand what council person wners is saying but that's
typically I think in terms of CH in terms ter of chopping the canopy of the tree is typically for truck transport um to facilitate Truck transport and since this will be relocated on the same lot I suspect that they will not have to take nearly as much canopy off of it as they
would from another tree that's being transported to another property so so I suspect that um if this is a certified tree locator that um while we still have uh some regulatory bodies operating uh
in in the country they have already their existing certification which means they've already you know they've learned the information that would be most beneficial to so so I actually think you have a very high rate of a high chance of success with these relocations and
understanding that you have no obligation to do that you could just do a strict replacement if you wanted to and uh I I do want to express sincere uh gratitude for even considering let alone actually going through with an attempt to relocate relocate the trees as
opposed to just uh you know a strict uh cut and replace correct and it's I have learned a lot and it's a long process actually it takes about four to six months to prepare the tree for the relocation and and we're going to do that yeah so and my mom and my stepdad
will take care of with the water every day very good anybody else from the audience that's my that's my mom good evening we are a family I am your mother and grandmother of the girls who are
growing up in El Portal I support the project because I want all of us to grow together in this beautiful Community I also want to continue living here as it bring great project to the
city thank you thank you thank you Mom thank you thank you Mom say your name address oh sorry no if I may I'm actually the architect of 460 Northwest 90th Street and your name is your Andres baros and pertaining to the
property that you guys were seeing has like containeres uh Aesthetics I feel looking at the property as an architect uh it's kind of more reminiscent of like a villa of w so it's a property that it looks like it respects it's elevated it respects and
Embraces the the fauna around it that's how I see it just looking at it as as a from an architect's perspective I I don't see it as a typical like a container home I think it's something that's more embracing of the of the nature around it particularly that one
this one's beautiful as well but I know that was the one that you had kind of concerned with you know and that was just my two cents sorry thank you I always appreciate two cents anyone else from the audience hi I'm George Alvarez at 165 Northwest 88th Street I think it's a
lovely design um but I'm I'm a little confused as to how um the three plats and in one of the plans that uh that was provided to me um there is a uh
I guess a and probably a a cad AutoCAD rendering of sanctuary corner and how it lays on the property and where the trees are do you have something that includes all three
plats yes it was provided oh okay maybe so the existing houses Sanctuary Arbor Sanctuary Arbor okay Sanctuary Corner the existing house this is the largest oak tree right now this tree is going to the north of santuary Arbor the
tree that is here is too close to the property so if we build so close it's going to die that's why we're shifting it FS to the east just to protect the roots and this one that is on Sanctuary Arbor because of the SE of the septic
time requirements we're actually moving it to the existing house so well I I commend your attempt to move those big big oak trees um crane will do it I won't I won't is it one of those hand crank
cranes that you'll have it's a very large screen um I I I think as as some of the the comments I heard um from from the council I think if you're going to approve of his design I think approve it
all the way I think trying to change roof pitch I think trying to there are some mid-century elements mid-century is very cool but ostensibly it's a modern house if you're going to like it and
you're going to have to see it every day let them do it it looks kind of beautiful and you know if you're if you're going to go it if you're going to go all that way go all that way appreciate it are you going to are you going to live there yes eventually okay
so once we build it so and then I and then I go uh renovate the existing one and build a new one because this uh there's some sediment on the structure so the walls are cracking is that the one further north the one the one we we
leave at 156 we're having issues with cross space I know cons member loves cross space uh we just went to an extensive renovation to uh mitigate the roing of those existing members
underneath the crow space and so I I I I rather go slap on gr so so so one okay you're I thought you were talking about the one on Fourth the the the existing on 4 you're talking about the one on 89th that you live in yeah the one on 89
that I currently leave or I leave for the last well we own for the last 10 years okay thanks for your time thank you appreciate it anybody else from the audience fed Rico I just wanted to commend you on your designs it's uh
inspiring um your talent uh is through through and through on on both projects um very proud that I've known you since Circa 2011 I believe it was correct we worked together at architectonica U I think we've both come a long ways and I'm I'm proud to be
developing these projects at the same time with you hopefully we collaborate hopefully yeah one day thank you very much anyone else from the audience all right hearing seeing none um any last questions or comments from the committee call the
question you got a question or you say call the question call All right but before we do that is there any last question comish committee all right hearing seeing none um when I spoke to you when we met my
only concern was what landscap landscape the trees and and moving the trees my concern was what dying that it dying and so that's that's my number one concern when I met with you guys that's my number one concern that's still my noral concern
um so just be like just adhere to that the landscaping and the moving of the trees just you so you you you walk across and we we'll we'll oversee it together yes we'll oversee it together yeah and that you know that's another important point just kind of you know just kind of keep in mind
that this is going to be something that changes that corner that we've been seeing for decades you know what I mean so just just kind of keep that in mind because it's going to be a reminder for everyone who comes to Village Hall every time we walk out of Village Hall every
day if you're if if we put our trust in the right person or not that's going to be huge that we see that every day I've been developing in nor myami for seven years now and I just got a building approved for 48 units and that's a
testament that they trust what I'm doing I understand but over here we do things different over here so just make sure you can come up you can come come up say your name and add just for the record um but that that like I said when I met you guys that was my only concern was the landscape the trees the Landscaping the trees and moving such mature trees and
hopefully you know that they uh they keep when you move them yes full name and address for Sergio Sergio havia and I live at the 8750 house we're talking about right now so when you brought your comment up just now it just it made me think so I
was I was going to I was going to say a few things but there's one thing I I want everybody to know I live there now just the maintenance because of the trees is costly number one is very
costly uh and it's it's very hard to maintain and I'm not saying we don't want to save the trees because I think the individuals that feather has working for them I think I think they know what they're doing and I think they're going to do a good job but but just so you're aware and this was not this is not
anything negative but it does cost a lot of money to maintain that property so just keep that in mind that uh you know it takes work and it takes money and it takes dedication to take care of that that large lot and and because and and it's
beautiful by the way uh so it does take a lot of work I just want to make that point we appreciate that thank you for your work thank you Sergio we to make it even more beautiful um so I have a response okay so you you brought up a very good point point the these trees do
take maintenance and when I moved into my own home here I had 12 large oak trees at my house and of course uh I've had two of them die and fall on my house if my daughter was outside she would have died from one of them this being said when trees die they don't just die
and you just they're just stand there they fall over and if someone's in the yard or they hit the house and they they collaps into the house people can die as well so it it's more than just thinking about oh these things might die oh we'll just cut it down and replace it no
there's serious implications where people can get hurt now again I understand that you have to do a lot of yard maintenance I do too I think I put about a metric ton of leaves outside my house every bul pickup and I know how that is and this
is one of the reasons I also told him that I wanted to have a pitch on one of the roofs because I have a flat roof in one section of my house and I'm tired of going up every two weeks and raking my flat Ro roof to get all those leaves off and then when I get the leaves off the pile that was on the roof is about 4T
tall and about 12T wide and that's on a small section of my house these and that's one the size of these houses right here so hopefully as he has a hired a very professional tree mover these trees Will Survive and the future
tenants that are living there will be safe thank you thank you very much um just wanted to say that you know we all have to keep in mind just Elber T and kind of what makes us special you know and so I I understand and I fully I fully understand what you're saying
about the trees and and uh you know the maintenance that it takes but just know that when you're moving into eler toal that's kind of like part for the course you know what I mean so that's the type of thing that makes us special and those are just kind of going to be the type of like you know consistency you just have
to accept with living in Alti so just kind of keep that in mind attorney G just a very quick comment mayor I rarely make one but on a substantive basis but I've sat here a long time and for anybody who wants to know what you need
to do to get something approved in El pral they ought to look at this gentleman and see number one you listen to your neighbors number two you care about your community and number three you spend the money to do things right and if you do those things you you end
up hearing from the community what this gentleman has heard tonight and other people would be well advised to to follow that model thank you man thank you very much attorney Geller any last comments from the audience you guys good any last comments from the committee
we're good all right do I have a motion for F6 we're going to take them one at a time this is 8750 Northeast forth Avenue Road this is uh lot 13 so moved all right moved by vice mayor Martin do have a second second second second by council person light foot Ward Madam clerk
please roll call um council person winter yes council person lightfood Ward yes council person bbom so uh lot 113 this is 13 this is uh Corner no that's Arbor Arbor this is Arbor for lot 113
this is 13 this is 13 it's 13 oh sorry I'm sorry yeah okay um tonight I know you can take as much time as you need council person urb don't ever let anybody don't got move a car catch up
with me after I move a car all right uh torn all right I'm gonna say no on this one okay vice mayor Martin yes mayor Nickerson yes motion passes four to one the next one do I have a motion for 8750 Northeast 4th Avenue Road this
is lot 14 moved by Council person light Ward second second by council person bbom Madam clerk roll call roll call council person winter yes council person lifewood Ward yes council person or bomb yes vice mayor Martin yes mayor
Nickerson yes motion passes 5 to9 we put not trusting you now thank you and in you all right congratulations you guys remember um come anytime after tomorrow to get the sign you have to put the sign in the yard uh for the for the meeting
and I'm going to try to move the really fast to get next month's meeting instead of like know two months um any last good in welfare anybody can come talk about anything at all last good and Welfare before we adjourn I just like to say thank you to everybody for coming out tonight it's always uh always good to
see residents coming out thank you thank you thank you good stuff you guys um May yes counc person life award I just want to thank everybody that sent me letters and and uh actually um encourage me to come on back to the council I appreciate that much I really do thank you so much
thank you very much cons person like foot War anybody else all right we're good do I have a motion to adjourn so moved uh motion moved by like vice mayor Martin do I have a second second second
by council person bbom all in favor say I I all opposed say nay hearing none the planning and zoning committee meeting for March 20th 2025 is adjourned at 10:05 p.m. thank you